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| tnurlygayanov | #startmeeting Mistral meeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 16:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral_meeting' | 16:00 |
| tnurlygayanov | Hi there! | 16:01 |
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| dzimine | Hi there! | 16:01 |
| NikolayM416 | hi ! | 16:01 |
| bhavenst | Hi | 16:01 |
| enykeev_ | hey! | 16:01 |
| dzimine | thanks for starting on time. | 16:01 |
| tnurlygayanov | Welcome to Mistral weekly meeting :) | 16:01 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, so, let's review our progress from the previous week | 16:02 |
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| dzimine | no progress on my side or stackstorm side all together. We were finishing some internal stuff, now from June we will be able to pick work items. | 16:02 |
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| tnurlygayanov | we have many fixes in CI jobs, Angus, thank you! | 16:03 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, we will wait and plan our roadmap based on this. | 16:04 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, from my side - we reviewed all automated tests and found several issues with Mistral workflows | 16:04 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Renat worked on it and now Renat on the holidays | 16:05 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, enykeev, bhavenst, NikolayM416, what about your progress on the previous week? | 16:06 |
| NikolayM416 | I fixed some bugs in REST API (error handling), helped with devstack tests, tried to implement OAuth in Mistral and move test launching to testr | 16:06 |
| bhavenst | I am interested in contributing to Mistral and we have posted a couple of blueprints. I'm working on getting up to speed and understanding the component and code so that I can start. | 16:06 |
| tnurlygayanov | NikolayM416, cool | 16:06 |
| bhavenst | Will try to pick a bug and work on it as that seems the best way to get going. | 16:06 |
| enykeev_ | tnurlygayanov, nothing from my side. As dzimine stated, we are busy with internal stuff atm. | 16:06 |
| NikolayM416 | so we discussed with Angus we won't add oauth right now | 16:06 |
| tnurlygayanov | bhavenst, you are welcome! | 16:07 |
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| bhavenst | thanks | 16:07 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:07 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info NikolayM416 fixed some bugs in REST API (error handling), helped with devstack tests, tried to implement OAuth in Mistral and move test launching to testr | 16:08 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info dzimine, enykeev_ : no progress on my side or stackstorm side all together. We were finishing some internal stuff, now from June we will be able to pick work items. | 16:08 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #info bhavenst: I am interested in contributing to Mistral and we have posted a couple of blueprints. I'm working on getting up to speed and understanding the component and code so that I can start | 16:09 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok, so, it was good week and do we have plans for the next week? | 16:09 |
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| tnurlygayanov | I know that Renat will work on incubation request after his holidays | 16:10 |
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| bhavenst | Sounds good | 16:10 |
| tnurlygayanov | we should fix some issues, and we work with CI right now, we plan to write new tests for workflow executions, Sergey Murashov works on it | 16:11 |
| NikolayM416 | cool | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM416 | I see tests are working now, dsvm is passed | 16:12 |
| bhavenst | One question, any place to find info on how to integrate Mistral w/ Horizon? | 16:12 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action Sergey Murashov & Timur Nurlygayanov: create more automated tests for Mistral devstack gates | 16:12 |
| bhavenst | (not sure if such a question is appropriate for the meeting or not, so sorry if not. :) | 16:12 |
| dzimine | guys I have a request. Can you share more details on the blueprints? E.g., moving to testr: there is a blueprint with no info and the review with no explanations on why. No email, no context of why. | 16:13 |
| dzimine | It will be good for community if you have some trail of these decisions somewhere open to community. | 16:13 |
| dzimine | I am sure it’s good change, but please be more transparent. | 16:13 |
| tnurlygayanov | bhavenst, yes, dzimine can describe how we can install horizon dashboard for Mistral | 16:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, sure, we will update blueprints, which assigned to the next milestone | 16:15 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, I plan to do this on this week | 16:15 |
| NikolayM416 | bhavenst, have you already seen https://github.com/stackforge/python-mistralclient/blob/master/horizon_dashboard/README.rst ? | 16:15 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action Timur Nurlygayanov & NikolayM416: update Mistral blueprints, which targeted to release 0.1 | 16:15 |
| dzimine | note that this is not TRUE integraion with existing Horizon dashboard, we will be working on this soon. | 16:16 |
| bhavenst | No, I haven't.. I assumed there might be instructions somewhere | 16:16 |
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| bhavenst | I will give it a shot | 16:16 |
| bhavenst | Thanks | 16:16 |
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| dzimine | Yes, the instructions are in the readme. | 16:16 |
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| m4dcoder | on config clean up, as we agreed in the ML, i'm removing the keystone section and using the default keystone_authtoken config options. i can't find unit tests in Mistral for testing the keystone AuthProtocol middleware. i'll have to add that so it's taking more time than I like. once this patch is completed, i will regenerate the sample config file and finish up the config clean up. | 16:17 |
| tnurlygayanov | good news: today I seen the patch sets to solum, which allows to integrate mistral and solum | 16:17 |
| tnurlygayanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/solum+branch:master+topic:new-api,n,z | 16:17 |
| NikolayM416 | dzimine, yes, we just discussed this with Renat (about testr) and I am going to update the blueprint | 16:18 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm also assigned https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-executor-protocol, so I'll be looking at notes to figure out what the details are and come up with proposal. | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | m4dcoder: good. Reach out to enykeev if you have any questions on his notes. | 16:19 |
| m4dcoder | ok | 16:19 |
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| tnurlygayanov | hm, ok, looks like we finished with action items for the next week | 16:22 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, let's start the open discussion | 16:24 |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:24 |
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| tnurlygayanov | I have several questions about Mistral workflows :) | 16:25 |
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| tnurlygayanov | we have tasks and we can update status of tasks manually - and statuses can be changed during the workflow execution | 16:25 |
| tnurlygayanov | So, what if we have already finished task and user will try to change the status of this task? | 16:26 |
| tnurlygayanov | should we allow this or we should deny this? | 16:26 |
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| tnurlygayanov | what about the workflows with periodic tasks? | 16:26 |
| NikolayM416 | We should deny this, I think | 16:27 |
| dzimine | the task status can’t be changed after the task is complete. | 16:27 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, and what about the priodic tasks? | 16:27 |
| NikolayM416 | We can change the state of task to SUCCESS only 1 time, isn't it? | 16:27 |
| dzimine | IDLE->RUNNING->[ERROR | SUCCESS] | 16:27 |
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| tnurlygayanov | for example, this task is already completed, but we should run it again | 16:27 |
| tnurlygayanov | or it will be Running all the time? | 16:28 |
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| dzimine | it will be another task instance. In the audit log it will show this task executed twice (or N times). | 16:29 |
| NikolayM416 | yes, correct :) | 16:29 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, now it is clear | 16:30 |
| dzimine | If it’s REPEAT, than the task is considered to be running for the duration of repetitions, untill it succeeds or fails N times. | 16:30 |
| tnurlygayanov | today we worked with workflows and looks like this is unclear for new users that we can not change statuses after the execution | 16:31 |
| dzimine | In case of periodic task: if you mean “cron”, each time it triggers, it creates new workflow execution. | 16:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | but we can chage status during the execution | 16:31 |
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| enykeev_ | dzimine, each iteration of repeat should produce new instance, correct? | 16:31 |
| dzimine | no, it’s the same instance of task (although it is a different invocation of Action) | 16:32 |
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| dzimine | Sorry, RETRY, not repeat. | 16:32 |
| dzimine | Repeat is not implemented yet. | 16:32 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, I want to see how it will look in UI with logs for each executiong of workflows | 16:32 |
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| enykeev_ | ok, got it | 16:32 |
| NikolayM416 | I guess Timur ask us about async task only, when we can update the state of task via REST | 16:33 |
| dzimine | Aha, now I see. | 16:33 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:33 |
| NikolayM416 | so what if we change the state to SUCCESS, and then to RUNNING? | 16:34 |
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| dzimine | For Async tasks, the 3rd party server assumes that it runs the action, and responsible for posting the results back to the engine. | 16:34 |
| dzimine | Once results posted, it’s DONE. | 16:35 |
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| tnurlygayanov | because now we work on automated tests and this is interesting - what the expected behaviour in different cases when we have some state and we want to change this state to another | 16:35 |
| enykeev_ | is there are reason to allow changing state rather than from RUNNING to SUCESS or ERROR? | 16:35 |
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| dzimine | need to look what we should do when you call ‘convey-results’ to the action already completed. We may have a bug there. | 16:35 |
| tnurlygayanov | and what it task can't pass the results to engine? we will set the timeout and move task to ERROR? | 16:36 |
| dzimine | +1 to enykeev | 16:36 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, during the excution we want to STOP task execution | 16:36 |
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| NikolayM416 | oh, we should throw an error on [ERROR, SUCCESS] -> RUNNING transition | 16:37 |
| enykeev_ | tnurlygayanov, the point of async execution is to run the task beyond the scope of timeout | 16:37 |
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| enykeev_ | so, no, i think we should not make automatic transition from RUNNING to ERROR | 16:37 |
| tnurlygayanov | NikolayM416, yes, without 500 respose code :) | 16:38 |
| tnurlygayanov | hm | 16:38 |
| dzimine | we don’t support cancelling tasks yet. | 16:38 |
| tnurlygayanov | enykeev_, so what meeans 'automatic'? How we should do this? | 16:38 |
| dzimine | And it’s irrelevant for ASYNC tasks: the 3rd party server is running Action anyways. | 16:39 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, but we plan to support it | 16:39 |
| dzimine | The engine only need to know what is the result of the tasks, so it can compute the next patch and pass the data. | 16:39 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok | 16:40 |
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| m4dcoder | what if 3rd party task never returns? | 16:41 |
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| tnurlygayanov | m4dcoder, looks like engine should try to do this again | 16:41 |
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| enykeev_ | tnurlygayanov, by issuing the timeout to async task we then would need a way to prolong this timeout when needed | 16:42 |
| m4dcoder | how many times before quitting? | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | and if this task is not idempotent, it will fail. | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | enykeev_ hm.... | 16:43 |
| NikolayM416 | m4dcoder, what do you mean? executing on 3rd party service can last a week or more | 16:43 |
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| enykeev_ | I recall there were some talks about external service that should control such things, watch dog of some sort. Anyway, this is a great question and we should spend some time investigating it. | 16:44 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok, cool, I will write this ti action item | 16:45 |
| m4dcoder | i was trying to understand what's stated here. say 3rd party task exceeded timeout (regardless how long), how will engine manage state of that task? | 16:45 |
| dzimine | The obvious bug here is that API allows to arbitrarily update the task status. Instead, it shall only be called for RUNNING tasks, and accept SUCCESS or FAILURE + data. | 16:45 |
| dzimine | Right now we don’t have a timeout on tasks. | 16:45 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action <enykeev_> I recall there were some talks about external service that should control such things, watch dog of some sort. Anyway, this is a great question and we should spend some time investigating it. | 16:46 |
| dzimine | When we do, after timeout the task moves to ERROR and workflow continues running | 16:46 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #action rakmerov review the meeting minutes and create new blueprint if it's needed. | 16:46 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine how workflow will continues to run if one task will in ERROR state? | 16:47 |
| dzimine | it’s designed to have multiple ERRORS, | 16:47 |
| tnurlygayanov | I think that ERROR with any task will couse an error of all execution / workflow - if we have no 'if' statements | 16:48 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:48 |
| dzimine | e.g., the task will have on-error: do-something-else | 16:48 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, what if one task depends from another? | 16:48 |
| dzimine | or, on-finish - which means that next task will run regardless of exit code. | 16:48 |
| tnurlygayanov | and the first task will became to ERROR | 16:48 |
| dzimine | it may depend with on-finish, than next task will execute regardless. | 16:49 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, yes, now it is clear | 16:49 |
| dzimine | or it may be on-error: do-error-handling. | 16:49 |
| m4dcoder | should timeout be more specific then just be generalized as error? maybe on-timeout: retry-or-do-something-else? | 16:49 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, we will have just on-error | 16:49 |
| dzimine | but if it’s on-success: do-somethign-good, this task won’t be run. | 16:49 |
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| dzimine | Manas had some thinking about result policies, essentially he stated that all categories fail into success | error | finish (aka everything). | 16:50 |
| tnurlygayanov | on-timeout - it is interesting, but in the most use cases, which I know, the timeout is equal to error | 16:50 |
| dzimine | timeout is a type of error. | 16:50 |
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| tnurlygayanov | if we will have separate type of error 'on-timeout', need to support user-defined states :) | 16:51 |
| m4dcoder | ok. just putting that out for discussion. | 16:51 |
| dzimine | let’s file a bug on task API and review the rest when Renat will be re-factoring engine. | 16:51 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #action: [20:51:48] <dzimine> let’s file a bug on task API and review the rest when Renat will be re-factoring engine. | 16:51 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, which bug do you mean? | 16:52 |
| tnurlygayanov | so... ok, we can discuss it later. | 16:54 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Thanks everyone for meeting! | 16:55 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 16:55:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_meeting/2014/mistral_meeting.2014-06-02-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_meeting/2014/mistral_meeting.2014-06-02-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| NikolayM416 | bye! | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_meeting/2014/mistral_meeting.2014-06-02-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
| enykeev_ | thanks! | 16:55 |
| dzimine | bye! | 16:55 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 18:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 18:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:00 |
| anteaya | hmmm | 18:00 |
| bruff | o/ | 18:00 |
| anteaya | going to be a short meeting then | 18:01 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | great, thanks for being here | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
| anteaya | our agenda for today | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | welcome to everyone who is here | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | for anyone who is new here is the openstack mission | 18:02 |
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| linggao | o/ | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #link The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #info Anita (anteaya) to polish the Purposes/Goals section from the etherpad | 18:03 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/polished-third-party-goals | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:03 |
| * SergeyLukjanov lurking | 18:03 | |
| bookwar | hi, all | 18:03 |
| anteaya | so I have taken a bit of time on our goals for the use of this space | 18:03 |
| anteaya | please take a look at the etherpad and share your thoughts | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | do they goals listed adequately descrive your motivations for attending these meetings? | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | don't forget to sign your name to the etherpad | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | Longgeek: are you here? | 18:05 |
| Longgeek | anteaya: yes. | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | Longgeek: good please look at the linked etherpad with us | 18:05 |
| anteaya | any comments? | 18:06 |
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| Longgeek | anteaya: ok | 18:06 |
| anteaya | anyone with any thoughts? | 18:06 |
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| bookwar | anteaya: general idea is clear, i think | 18:07 |
| anteaya | okay, I will acknowledge no complaints and list them on the meeting page as our goals | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | LGTM, we can morph over time as everyone gets up to speed | 18:07 |
| anteaya | bookwar: thanks | 18:07 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: agreed | 18:07 |
| anteaya | so I will add them to the meeting page and when someone feels they need to be reviewed please add an item to the agenda | 18:07 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | bookwar: you added the first item | 18:08 |
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| bruff | there is probably some common questions implementors have for the different groups with differing answers by group, like sizing CI infrastructure which for some contributions would differ from say nova to cinder. | 18:08 |
| trinaths | HI | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | bookwar: do you have anything you want to say on the item you added to the agenda | 18:09 |
| bookwar | anteaya: actually i just read it on the mailing list and decided that it's worth mentioning here | 18:09 |
| anteaya | bookwar: okay, what did you want to mention? | 18:09 |
| bookwar | #info http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg25513.html there will be Meet Up for Infra with possible Third-Party participants | 18:10 |
| anteaya | sorry no | 18:10 |
| anteaya | that is incorrect | 18:10 |
| bookwar | ok ) | 18:10 |
| bookwar | so then it's my question | 18:10 |
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| trinaths | anteaya: I have got a new hosting account for CI logs. Do I need to restore old CI logs, or start with new logs. | 18:10 |
| anteaya | there will be a meetup of infra/qa folks in which various items will be discussed | 18:10 |
| anteaya | including third party matters | 18:10 |
| bookwar | can third-party members participate? | 18:10 |
| anteaya | trinaths: we have an agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:10 |
| anteaya | please follow along | 18:11 |
| anteaya | bookwar: I was expecting that question | 18:11 |
| anteaya | this meeting is for people who have a commitment to becomeing core contributors to infra and/or qa | 18:11 |
| anteaya | if anyone is willing to commit to learning and reliably performing at least 30 reviews/per month to start (that is not enough for core) | 18:12 |
| anteaya | in any of the infra/qa repos that person can request to attend | 18:12 |
| anteaya | if you are expecting this will be a place to ask questions to get your system running, the answer is no, this is not that place | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | actually this meeting is that place | 18:13 |
| anteaya | once we get folks trusting the agenda format and using it | 18:13 |
| anteaya | bookwar: make sense? | 18:13 |
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| bookwar | anteaya: yes, thanks for clarifying | 18:13 |
| anteaya | great | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | #link Documentation: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:13 |
| anteaya | please read that, there are some changes this week | 18:14 |
| anteaya | be sure to share that around | 18:14 |
| anteaya | also | 18:14 |
| anteaya | #link How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 18:14 |
| anteaya | this is an invaluable resource | 18:14 |
| anteaya | and one that i will be pointing to frequently | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | please read it if you haven't and share with others | 18:15 |
| anteaya | any other announcements? | 18:15 |
| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | david-lyle: you're up | 18:15 |
| david-lyle | thank anteaya | 18:15 |
| david-lyle | So the main question I have is what are the requirements for third parties to provide infrastructure to test against outside of CI | 18:16 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: are any of your concerns answered here? http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements | 18:17 |
| david-lyle | in Horizon we get numerous patches that want to target say a 3rd party device in neutron, but have no means to actually exercise the code other than through unit tests | 18:17 |
| anteaya | can you give me a forinstance? | 18:17 |
| anteaya | like a url for a patch? | 18:17 |
| david-lyle | this outdated, but Horizon in the H cycle added support for managing a cisco router, unfortunately there is not test environment to verify the running code | 18:18 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 18:18 |
| bookwar | "support recheck" is not an easy feature to implement | 18:18 |
| david-lyle | so we have fair chunk of code that we can't validate | 18:18 |
| anteaya | bookwar: this is david-lyle's time | 18:18 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: yes I am beginning to see | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | I question that horizon should add support for a propietary service in the first place | 18:19 |
| david-lyle | there are requests for more code along those lines, but without a requirement for an environment where we can validate, I am very uneasy to add support | 18:19 |
| david-lyle | anteaya: that too | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | david-lyle, is this for supporting that third party functionality? else it shouldn't be part of horizon | 18:19 |
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| krtaylor | david-lyle, that would be up to the third party implementors to test and report, horizon will have to come up with how it will require testing on this code | 18:20 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: I'm feeling this question needs to find it's way onto the tc agenda | 18:20 |
| david-lyle | so several services expose driver support and include code for it, correct? then isn't it reasonable to support those same drivers in Horizon | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | similar to what Nova has done for instance | 18:21 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: that is a question I can't answer | 18:21 |
| anteaya | since I have no authority | 18:21 |
| anteaya | but it is a good question | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | it is | 18:21 |
| HenryG | davidlenwell: there is a cisco CI for neutron. Maybe a horizon CI can be run against the same lab config. I will ask them. | 18:21 |
| anteaya | HenryG: ? | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | but that is one specific example, not general case | 18:21 |
| david-lyle | Ideally, I want to be able to try the code on a live environment before merging | 18:22 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: I enourage the process for discussing it with the tc, to discuss the scope of horizon regarding third-party | 18:22 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: if the tc feels horizon should be including support for third-party services then the testing conversation can come from that | 18:23 |
| anteaya | and yes, I agree you should be able to test what you are including in master | 18:23 |
| david-lyle | anteaya: I'm heading that way. I just wanted to raise the issue that CI support isn't necessarily enough | 18:23 |
| anteaya | david-lyle: yes we have to have the understanding of how it affects other projects | 18:24 |
| anteaya | and I am glad I have a better understanding of how it affects horizon now | 18:24 |
| david-lyle | my recommendation for Horizon at the summit was that there needed to be an environment we could exercise the Horizon code against before integrating it | 18:24 |
| anteaya | I like that | 18:24 |
| anteaya | after the tc chat put an item on the infra meeting agenda | 18:25 |
| david-lyle | just wanted to make sure that wasn't completely against the other assorted edicts in openstack | 18:25 |
| anteaya | so we can discuss how to create that support | 18:25 |
| david-lyle | anteaya: will do | 18:25 |
| * anteaya nods | 18:25 | |
| anteaya | thanks david-lyle | 18:25 |
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| david-lyle | and thanks for the time | 18:25 |
| anteaya | np | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | next topic | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | anyone have any deadlines or deprecations they want to announce? | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | no? | 18:26 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:26 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | okay today we are going to look at two maintainers | 18:26 |
| trinaths | Hi, i'm there with freescale-ci | 18:26 |
| anteaya | Longgeek: who mantains thstack-ci | 18:26 |
| anteaya | and trinaths | 18:26 |
| Longgeek | yes | 18:27 |
| anteaya | great | 18:27 |
| trinaths | Longgeek: Hi | 18:27 |
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| Longgeek | trinaths: hi | 18:27 |
| anteaya | so some of the things you are doing well is you are both on irc and you are talking in channels which is good | 18:27 |
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| Longgeek | anteaya: ok | 18:27 |
| trinaths | anteaya: :-) | 18:27 |
| anteaya | and I bring you to the attention of others so that as I address some of your concerns, and mine that others can read the logs and learn | 18:28 |
| anteaya | so for starters | 18:28 |
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| Longgeek | About our account have any questions? | 18:28 |
| anteaya | Longgeek: I'm speaking | 18:28 |
| Longgeek | ok | 18:28 |
| anteaya | everyone knows the logs are here: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 18:28 |
| anteaya | correct | 18:28 |
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| trinaths | yes | 18:29 |
| anteaya | and everyone reads the meeting logs and -infra and -qa and the project you are testing on a daily basis, correct? | 18:29 |
| Longgeek | yes | 18:29 |
| anteaya | great | 18:29 |
| anteaya | so one of the things I want to start with | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | when something goes wrong, don't start by assuming that our system is the problem | 18:30 |
| anteaya | which is covered in how to ask smart questions, linked above | 18:30 |
| anteaya | as an example | 18:30 |
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| Longgeek | This is, I need to learn. | 18:30 |
| anteaya | anyone who wants to look at the infra logs for the weekend will see Longgeek spent a considerable about of time trying to get a patch in dealing with min.js | 18:30 |
| anteaya | after many hours and much time | 18:31 |
| anteaya | he found out his https proxy wasn't working properly | 18:31 |
| Longgeek | anteaya, :) | 18:31 |
| anteaya | he found that out by pasting the output of the error for jheseth to view | 18:31 |
| anteaya | and jheseth gave him a suggestion | 18:31 |
| Longgeek | yes, The https proxy problem | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | which helped him to conclude that his error lay within his own environment | 18:32 |
| anteaya | so | 18:32 |
| anteaya | let's help each other | 18:32 |
| anteaya | if you have a problem, first evaluate your local environment | 18:32 |
| anteaya | Longgeek you know trinaths now | 18:32 |
| Longgeek | yes. | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | so you can help each other | 18:32 |
| anteaya | paste, using paste.openstack.org | 18:32 |
| anteaya | the command and output and share it with each other | 18:33 |
| anteaya | bruff: you can help in this too | 18:33 |
| Longgeek | ok, paste.openstack.org. | 18:33 |
| trinaths | anteaya: yes.. | 18:33 |
| trinaths | anteaya: Longgeek, helped me with Zuul troubleshooting | 18:33 |
| anteaya | if you all have the same output then it isn't a local issue, and then you can ask in -infra what someone can see when the view the paste | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | please don't go straight to filing bugs and offering patches, that wastes our time in -infra | 18:34 |
| anteaya | make sense? | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | bruff: you can help here, yes? | 18:34 |
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| Longgeek | OK, I understand. | 18:34 |
| anteaya | great | 18:34 |
| anteaya | now Longgeek | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | there are some questions about your account | 18:35 |
| anteaya | the people involved with the projects you are testing don't know what you are doing | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | so it is helpful if, before you test a project, you talk to the people involved with the project | 18:35 |
| anteaya | and if you don't know who they are, ask | 18:35 |
| Longgeek | I test my present work system stability. | 18:36 |
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| Longgeek | ok. | 18:36 |
| anteaya | here is the list of openstack projects and their governing programs: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml | 18:36 |
| anteaya | please refer to that list | 18:36 |
| Longgeek | I'll look at it | 18:37 |
| anteaya | now, right now Longgeek's system is posting 2 comments per patchset and third-party ci is only allowed one comment per patchset | 18:37 |
| anteaya | anyone able to help Longgeek fix his system? | 18:37 |
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| [1]trinaths | Just got diconnected.. | 18:38 |
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| anteaya | is anyone able to help Longgeek? | 18:38 |
| Longgeek | zuul event？ | 18:38 |
| anteaya | you can't have your systems post the comment "starting tests" | 18:39 |
| anteaya | can anyone help Longgeek turn that comment off? | 18:39 |
| Longgeek | Like this? Starting gate jobs. http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 18:39 |
| anteaya | right you can't have that comment | 18:39 |
| anteaya | that is noise | 18:40 |
| anteaya | third-party ci systems can't post that comment | 18:40 |
| anteaya | okay let's move to trinaths, who has some issues | 18:40 |
| Longgeek | Well, I'll try to locate it, and close | 18:40 |
| anteaya | he is having difficulty will logs | 18:40 |
| anteaya | his first server was hacked and he has now moved to a public server which gives a malware warning | 18:41 |
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| trinaths | anteaya: I may leave the chat at any time.. Since, we are experiencing a cyclone here and can be a power shutdown to the colony,.. | 18:41 |
| anteaya | anyone have any suggestions for trinaths and securely serving his logs? | 18:41 |
| anteaya | trinaths: okay you can read the logs | 18:41 |
| trinaths | anteaya: I went for godaddy hosting | 18:41 |
| trinaths | now | 18:41 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any suggestions for helping trinaths? | 18:42 |
| trinaths | the logs are available at fslopenstackci.com | 18:42 |
| mestery | I've verifed the new log location for trinaths doesn't trigger Cisco WSA alarms anymore. | 18:42 |
| anteaya | I'll let you know now, these meetings are going to be painfully slow if folks are not willing to help each other | 18:42 |
| anteaya | mestery: great thank you | 18:42 |
| anteaya | trinaths: good work, we may have solved that issue | 18:42 |
| mestery | anteaya: I think trinaths issue is solved now regarding logging from my perspective. | 18:42 |
| anteaya | mestery: great thanks | 18:43 |
| mestery | anteaya: thank you too! | 18:43 |
| trinaths | mestery: thanks a lot.. | 18:43 |
| anteaya | those were the main issues I had | 18:43 |
| anteaya | please read how to ask smart questions | 18:43 |
| anteaya | there is a lot of good information in there | 18:43 |
| anteaya | Longgeek trinaths anything else from you? | 18:43 |
| trinaths | mestery: were there any other issues I need to address regarding CI? | 18:44 |
| mestery | trinaths: Not from my perspective, no. | 18:44 |
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| trinaths | mestery: okay.. thank you | 18:44 |
| anteaya | okay going to move topics | 18:44 |
| anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | anyone have anything for open discussion? | 18:44 |
| Longgeek | anteaya: There is nothing for the time being! :) | 18:44 |
| anteaya | Longgeek: okay thanks, we still need to talk before you turn your system back on | 18:45 |
| trinaths | anteaya: doubt | 18:45 |
| anteaya | trinaths: if that means you have a question, do ask your question | 18:45 |
| trinaths | anteaya: Since, I moved to a new Log repository, do I need to hold the old logs present in my old server ? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | you need the old logs present on your new server | 18:46 |
| trinaths | anteaya: okay. thanks | 18:46 |
| anteaya | logs from yesterday need to be accessed reliable and without triggering malware warnings | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | bookwar: did you have anything? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | bruff: was there something you wanted to say? | 18:47 |
| trinaths | anteaya: okay.. | 18:48 |
| bruff | No I did add to the etherpad | 18:48 |
| anteaya | bruff: what etherpad? | 18:48 |
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| bruff | linked earlier in the meeting | 18:49 |
| bruff | .. | 18:49 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/polished-third-party-goals | 18:49 |
| anteaya | what do you want to know? | 18:49 |
| anteaya | can you expand on what you are looking for? | 18:49 |
| anteaya | I think the level of detail you are asking for is a little specific for overall goals | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | and is better as an agenda item | 18:50 |
| bruff | suggestion to have projects document common information around what their CI 3rd party requirements are | 18:50 |
| bruff | in addition to getting started process | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | third-party requirements are here: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements | 18:50 |
| anteaya | bruff: what are you looking for in addition to that? | 18:50 |
| bruff | It seems like the scale of testing will vary by the project you are committing to right? | 18:51 |
| anteaya | exactly right | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | nova will be the project with the greatest throughput | 18:52 |
| bruff | So in the getting started section might be useful for each project to provide some info around these differences, by project | 18:52 |
| anteaya | bruff: what project do you want to test? | 18:52 |
| bruff | For my specific group it is a cinder driver | 18:52 |
| anteaya | bruff: that would be difficult since there are so many projects | 18:52 |
| anteaya | okay, well I think time is better spent ensuring you have good contact with the cinder folks | 18:53 |
| anteaya | do you spend time in their channel? | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | and read the cinder channel and meeting logs? | 18:53 |
| bruff | Oh, yes but as you try to get your head around the 3rd party CI testing you go to those webpages as well | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | yes, that is what they are meant for | 18:54 |
| anteaya | what stage are you at right now, with setting up your testing? | 18:54 |
| bruff | so providing some of this common documentation (or a set of common questions that the project leads could answer is useful | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | we are working on that, but since we are standardizing across all systems taht will take some time | 18:55 |
| anteaya | right now, what do you need to know? | 18:55 |
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| bruff | no question currently | 18:55 |
| bookwar | maybe certain stat about commits per day, it allows you to plan your infrastructure loads | 18:55 |
| anteaya | okay, if you do have a question bruff do you feel you know where to ask it? | 18:56 |
| bruff | Yes this type of thing, I'm trying to get through our GIT process so we can get going | 18:56 |
| anteaya | bookwar: do you look at the graphs at the bottom of: http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | bruff: what do you mean get through your git process? | 18:57 |
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| bruff | OK good to know, but if you don't have a handle on CI stuff yet it isn't clear where you can get this info to start with. | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | bruff: right, which is why we set up these meetings | 18:58 |
| anteaya | with open discussion | 18:58 |
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| bruff | Right? So as a general question/info knowing about scaling this will be a common question and you might be able to provide pointers for this as the wiki develops | 18:58 |
| anteaya | bookwar: https://github.com/openstack/openstack/graphs/commit-activity | 18:58 |
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| asselin_ | bruff, for cinder ci setup, you can also chat int he #openstack-cinder channel. many of use are getting 3rd party ci setup | 18:59 |
| anteaya | thanks asselin_ | 18:59 |
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| bruff | Yes, agreed | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | we are at time | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | thanks for a great meeting everyone | 18:59 |
| anteaya | read the logs | 18:59 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 19:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 19:00:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-02-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-02-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-02-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| devananda | hi! who's here for ironic meeting? | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:00 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| Mikhail_D_ltp | o/ | 19:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| linggao | o/ | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 2 19:00:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| devananda | hi everyone! | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda is available here: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | hi devananda :) | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | g'evening :) | 19:01 |
| dwalleck | howdy folks :) | 19:01 |
| Longgeek | o/ | 19:01 |
| romcheg | Hi everyone! | 19:01 |
| rloo | hi | 19:01 |
| mrda | \o | 19:01 |
| devananda | actually, I dont have any big announcements today, just a few housekeeping items | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:02 |
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| devananda | specs repo is online, and lots are coming in -- thanks everyone for starting to submit them, and hopefully review them too! | 19:02 |
| * mrda looks | 19:02 | |
| devananda | I'm going to try to sync up with mikal today about the nova midcycle | 19:02 |
| devananda | after discussing it with ironic-core folks at the end of last week, I'd like to take some time during this meeting (not now, after the subteam reports) to talk more | 19:03 |
| devananda | that's it for my annoucements ... | 19:03 |
| devananda | #topic progress reports | 19:03 |
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| devananda | specs and blueprints are me | 19:04 |
| devananda | i focused on some initial big refactoring that we talked about at the summit | 19:04 |
| devananda | and wrote up a spec, which has gotten a lot of mixed feedback | 19:04 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/94923 | 19:04 |
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| devananda | I'd really like us to come an agreement on how to proceed with the work on fixing the API / RPC bottleneck | 19:05 |
| rloo | only one -1, can | 19:06 |
| * lucasagomes have to re-read the spec after the updates | 19:06 | |
| rloo | can't be that bad! | 19:06 |
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| * dtantsur actually had some doubts without using -1... | 19:06 | |
| devananda | rloo: there were a lot of -1's on the previous rev | 19:06 |
| rloo | devananda: oh, well, one can only hope then ;) | 19:07 |
| romcheg | dtantsur: Why? | 19:07 |
| dtantsur | a lot of concerns are related to debugging after this change lands, I guess | 19:07 |
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| devananda | russell_h: AIUI, you guys have been hit the hardest by the issue which this is trying to solve | 19:07 |
| devananda | russell_h: so it'd be great to get some feedback on the spec from your team | 19:07 |
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| russell_h | devananda: I commented on... Friday or something | 19:08 |
| russell_h | I think its a good direction | 19:08 |
| devananda | russell_h: awesome. i'm still catching up from the weekend -- jsut read your comment | 19:08 |
| devananda | russell_h: so an intent-lock that can be check-and-set in the API layer would address your concerns, it sounds like | 19:09 |
| russell_h | if that means what I think it means, yes | 19:09 |
| devananda | russell_h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-and-set | 19:09 |
| devananda | that ^ | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I have some concern over these will be61 queued up locally and processed in the order received. | 19:09 |
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| devananda | so the problem with test-and-set in the API is it serializes all API requests against the same resource | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | it mainly the locally that I am concerned about, ie what if conductor should die, will we be able to pick up on what was in the que | 19:10 |
| devananda | any client will get some sort of resoruce-is-busy (eg, NodeLocked) error while a previous request is still in progress | 19:11 |
| devananda | #action devananda to write up the pros/cons to test-and-set vs. serializing API actions on the spec | 19:11 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 19:11 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: hi! how's the overall code/driver clean up going? | 19:12 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, about the instance_info we need the changes in devstack and tempest to land | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | to unblock the work | 19:12 |
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| lucasagomes | but pretty much all the patches are up already | 19:12 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: awesome. is the list in an etherpad? | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | I need one more patch adding documentation | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, nop, lemme add to the ironic white board or something the list of patches | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: TY | 19:13 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: nice, thank you for taking that on | 19:13 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: thanks. would be great to get some other eyes on it. QA folks like to see our team review our QA patches | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:14 |
| devananda | #action lucasagomes to add links to driver-info related QA patches to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:14 |
| Shrews | devananda: oh, in that case, i need you to review a couple of tempest changes | 19:14 |
| devananda | #action anyone familiar with tempest/devstack to help by reviewing said patches | 19:14 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 19:14 |
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| romcheg | +! | 19:14 |
| devananda | Shrews: fantastic. please add to the etherpad ^ | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are there devtest patches too | 19:14 |
| romcheg | I'll take a look on those | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yes, there's one adding the pxe_deploy_ramdisk and pxe_deploy_kernel information when enrolling the node | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | not only to the flavor | 19:15 |
| devananda | moving on to other subteam reports, since we're already sorta touching on them :) | 19:15 |
| devananda | #topic subteam: integration testing | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam: integration testing (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:15 | |
| devananda | sounds like several folks are making tempest changes now | 19:16 |
| devananda | anyone want to give a summary of all that? | 19:17 |
| devananda | wiki says adam_g is leading that subteam | 19:17 |
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| devananda | I also have a link saved from last week where several folks are adding new tempest coverage for ironic | 19:18 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/missing-baremetal-api-test,n,z | 19:18 |
| adam_g | TBH im not too on-top of in-flight tempest changes ATM. ive been busy the last week hammering on some large baremetal test racks trying to iron out issues that are blocking ironic+tripleO there | 19:18 |
| adam_g | i did see Shrews has some new scenario tests up for ironic, which is awesome | 19:18 |
| Shrews | adam_g: yes, just added those to the etherpad. plz review if you get the chance | 19:18 |
| devananda | adam_g: np - the bugs/patches coming out of that work are great, too | 19:18 |
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| Shrews | I have changes up for a rebuild() test. And was working on a reboot() test last week until getting pulled away for a TripleO blocker bug | 19:19 |
| adam_g | there's also the item of getting ironic gate jobs to report separately, similar to 3rd party CI | 19:19 |
| adam_g | but i personally have not had a chance to look at the required zuul changes to make that work | 19:20 |
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| Shrews | Oh, also, d-g now creates the baremetal flavor with a 1G ephemeral partition | 19:20 |
| adam_g | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/035827.html | 19:20 |
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| devananda | joshua hesketh volunteered for the thrid-party-CI thing -- anyone know his IRC handle? | 19:20 |
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| mrda | devananda: it's jhesketh | 19:20 |
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| mrda | he's a cow orker of mine, so I can follow up if you like | 19:21 |
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| devananda | mrda: awesome, thanks | 19:21 |
| devananda | adam_g: do you want to / have time to continue tracking the ironic CI efforts? | 19:21 |
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| devananda | adam_g: i think you've been doing great, fwiw, but understand when priorities shift | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | #action mrda to follow up with joshua hesketh (jhesketh) on the thrid-party-CI thing | 19:22 |
| adam_g | devananda, i would like to, yes. i should be freed up a bit from some of this other stuff in the next week or two | 19:22 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:22 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:22 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: try again :) | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | doh | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | #action mrda to follow up with joshua hesketh (jhesketh) on the thrid-party-CI thing | 19:22 |
| devananda | adam_g: great - thanks! | 19:22 |
| devananda | any other CI efforts folks want to share before we move on? | 19:23 |
| dtantsur | Just to grab your attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97309/ <-- this seems to affect devstack running with Ironic enabled (at least for me) | 19:23 |
| dwalleck | I'll be starting to jump in a bit more on our Tempest efforts as well | 19:23 |
| dwalleck | Starting to get freed up more now | 19:23 |
| devananda | dwalleck: that's interesting. the config file is not in the default location -- is that true for other services as well? | 19:24 |
| jroll | dtantsur? ^ | 19:24 |
| dtantsur | was it for me? | 19:24 |
| dwalleck | I think so :) | 19:25 |
| adam_g | dwalleck, hmm. thats starnge. i've had to manually hack on the ironic mysql tables in the past, so i know it should be used correclty. or at least it was at some point | 19:25 |
| devananda | woops. yes :) | 19:25 |
| adam_g | er | 19:25 |
| adam_g | ! | 19:25 |
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| dtantsur | Well, that's what I saw for some time: the default it to create sqlite database in the current directory | 19:25 |
| jroll | dwalleck: you're popular already :P | 19:25 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: hm, k. thanks for calling attention to that. doesn't look like lib/nova needs to do that... | 19:25 |
| devananda | moving on | 19:26 |
| devananda | #topic subteam: bug triage | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam: bug triage (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:26 | |
| devananda | dtantsur: you're up (again) :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | any updates for us? | 19:26 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, $NOVA_BIN_DIR/nova-manage --config-file $NOVA_CELLS_CONF db sync <-- seems like nova does | 19:26 |
| dtantsur | ok, now to updates | 19:27 |
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| dtantsur | except for this bug, I am now seeing something with SELinux inside DIB | 19:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: 623 $NOVA_BIN_DIR/nova-manage db sync | 19:27 |
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| dtantsur | see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicTestingOnFedora for both issues | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | I will investigate both a bit more though, did not have time the last week | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | for now, you have to build deploy k&r with selinux-permissive element | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | oh, I actually though we're talking about Fedora issues :) | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | thought even | 19:29 |
| * dtantsur hates morning evenings | 19:29 | |
| devananda | dtantsur: slightly out of order ... that's ok. | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | that was monday evening..... | 19:29 |
| devananda | fwiw, it looks like we have 21 new/undecided bugs -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.status=NEW&field.importance=UNDECIDED | 19:29 |
| devananda | so much triage is still needed | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | yeah, a lot | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | I started with python-ironicclient and it looks quite ok | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | except for 2 bugs which nobody can close | 19:30 |
| devananda | hurray for launchpad unclosable bugs :( | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | now I'm pushing folks to have a look what they're assigned to and check whether they're working on it | 19:30 |
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| matty_dubs | I appear unable to set importance on bugs, even the ones I submit. Am I just doing something dumb? | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | we have _a lot_ of assigned bugs with no visible progress | 19:31 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: join the bug triage team | 19:31 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: ugh. I've seen a few of those and poked people, but I'm sure you're seeing more. | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | to sum it up, I only started actually with undecided bugs - triaged 1 or 2 | 19:31 |
| * mrda wishes peple would move bugs to "In Progress" from "Triaged" when they work on them | 19:31 | |
| lucasagomes | matty_dubs, https://launchpad.net/~ironic-bugs | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | will do much more this week | 19:32 |
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| matty_dubs | Thanks -- joined! | 19:32 |
| devananda | IMO, bugs shouldn't be Assigned to someone without a patch up for more than a day or two | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: if timming is a issue for you I am happy to help poke people | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | also just FYI: will be on PTO 9.06-13.06 | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, or some updates in the bug at least | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, cool! Actually most assignees are here, so if we all have a look at what we're assigned, will be very good | 19:33 |
| devananda | any objection to some cleanup // un-assigning bugs where there is no visible progress (no patch) for more than 7 days after the bug was assigned? | 19:33 |
| rloo | devananda: i think 1-2 days is too short. how about 1 week? | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | 1 week sounds right | 19:33 |
| mrda | +1 | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:34 |
| rloo | devananda: i actually assigned some bugs during icehouse and since they were low priority, decided to wait til after refactoring. so am waiting still... | 19:34 |
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| romcheg | +1 for 1 week | 19:35 |
| devananda | great | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | maybe a sliding scale crit = 1 day , high 2-3 days, < high 1 week | 19:35 |
| rloo | (ok, and one I assigned to keep as a low hanging fruit in case someone was looking and there weren't any avail. guess i won't do that again.) | 19:35 |
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| devananda | rloo: better to leave LHF unassigned -- and we should all do that, when we have bigger things to work on | 19:35 |
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| dtantsur | ok, so I will just unassign, when I see no activity for > 1 week | 19:35 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, what to do with abandoned patches? | 19:36 |
| rloo | devananda: seems like the problem there is that someone snaps up the lhf and there aren't any left for a newbie. | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | for now I either ping people or just move bug back to triaged | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | depending on how much time passed | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | is it right? | 19:36 |
| rloo | devananda: no worries. i'll look for a typo next time ;) | 19:36 |
| mrda | :) | 19:36 |
| devananda | rloo: cultural problem there -- core reviewers and our most active develoers should be leaving LHF and encouranging newcomers | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I've tagged at least one more today :) | 19:36 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: I prefer to give folks a chance, rather than /just/ unassign, especially if they're on IRC and I know them | 19:37 |
| devananda | dtantsur: but we've had a few where eg. folks I've never met and who aren't on IRC grab a bug and don't work on it | 19:37 |
| devananda | dtantsur: use your judgement :) | 19:37 |
| dtantsur | ack :) | 19:37 |
| devananda | thanks! | 19:38 |
| devananda | anything else on bug triage? | 19:38 |
| rloo | i think we should just say something now. so that it is 'official'. so the clock starts now... | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | that's it for me, will be triaging more this week | 19:38 |
| devananda | rloo: fair. i'll send an email | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | next week I'm on PTO, so no report from me next monday | 19:38 |
| devananda | #action devananda to send email to ML that we're doing a bug cleanup | 19:38 |
| devananda | #info dtantsur on PTO next monday | 19:39 |
| devananda | dtantsur: will you be around friday? if so, mind sending a little summary either to me (i'll paste in the meeting) or to the ML? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | o/ | 19:39 |
| lifeless | sorry from the antipodes | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | morning lifeless | 19:39 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, sure, will try not to forget :) | 19:39 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks:) | 19:40 |
| devananda | #topic ironic python agent | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ironic python agent (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:40 | |
| devananda | russell_h: hi! | 19:40 |
| * jroll is here too :) | 19:40 | |
| devananda | russell_h: status updates? need eyes on something in particular? | 19:40 |
| jroll | so, we've been working lately on getting ironic + IPA working on real hardware, with real switches, etc. | 19:41 |
| devananda | jroll: hi! | 19:41 |
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| jroll | it's getting pretty good, not 100% but close | 19:41 |
| jroll | we've built a neutron extension to do network isolation things on real switches | 19:41 |
| devananda | jroll: that ^ is awesome | 19:41 |
| jroll | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/ironic-neutron-plugin/ | 19:42 |
| devananda | jroll: i've seen a lot of chatter on the ML about that work from the neutron folks. i assume you're working with them? | 19:42 |
| jroll | I believe we've started the conversation | 19:42 |
| jroll | morgabra is working on that side of things | 19:42 |
| jroll | he may be able to answer that | 19:43 |
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| devananda | great | 19:43 |
| devananda | jroll: fwiw, i would like to see a spec describing the interaction between ironic<->neutron, what API changes will be requried in ironic (if any), etc | 19:43 |
| jroll | I'm thinking people should start looking at the reviews related to the agent (and they have) | 19:43 |
| jroll | and I think the major patch will stabilize soon | 19:44 |
| jroll | devananda: agreed | 19:44 |
| jroll | I still owe you the IPA spec, too | 19:44 |
| devananda | jroll: I suspect some of that may not even be known to folks yet ... and that's fine. it'll give a good reference as the interaction/integration is proven. also, I bet the neutron team will want a spec too ;) | 19:44 |
| jroll | which is half-done, but I've been out of office slash juggling things | 19:44 |
| jroll | heh, of course | 19:44 |
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| jroll | devananda: I think that's all I have | 19:45 |
| devananda | jroll: np on the spec not ready yet. having that by J1 would be good, as I'd like to land it, if it's ready, by J2 or very soon there after, idealyly | 19:46 |
| devananda | jroll: thanks! | 19:46 |
| devananda | #topic oslo | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:46 | |
| jroll | when is J1? | 19:46 |
| GheRivero | I'll try to be quick, oslo.db and oslo.i18n | 19:46 |
| devananda | GheRivero: hi! any news on the oslo libraries side of things? | 19:46 |
| GheRivero | oslo.db has a couple of blockers (config and the remove of tpool) | 19:46 |
| GheRivero | but the plans are to fix them in a couple of weeks, and release an alfa librarie | 19:46 |
| rloo | jroll: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:47 |
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| jroll | thanks rloo | 19:47 |
| GheRivero | there is a WIP patch for ironic just waiting for the config stuff to land, but nothing blocking | 19:47 |
| jroll | devananda: that timeline sounds right about perfect to me | 19:47 |
| GheRivero | on the oslo.i18n side, a release should be done really soon | 19:47 |
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| GheRivero | for us, everything will be mostly the same, using _ | 19:47 |
| devananda | GheRivero: i'll be looking for your input on when you think we should start moving to oslo.db lib. I'm not aware of any reason for us to hurry into it | 19:48 |
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| GheRivero | but we will have to use _LW, _LD... for the logs i18n | 19:48 |
| GheRivero | devananda: it's just for testing, I know there is no hurry | 19:48 |
| devananda | I have a spec up for us to improve our logging -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94924/ | 19:48 |
| GheRivero | but it's better to have something prepare upfront | 19:48 |
| devananda | GheRivero: do we need to move all logging to _LE,_LW,etc before switching to oslo.i18n ? | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | I'm saw at least one logging improvment patch this morning | 19:49 |
| GheRivero | devananda: there is no need, we can still use _ | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | s/i'm/I/ | 19:49 |
| GheRivero | but is a recomendation. Can be done graddually | 19:49 |
| devananda | GheRivero: cool | 19:49 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks! | 19:50 |
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| devananda | that's it for subteam reports -- thanks everyone, that was really good! | 19:50 |
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| devananda | #topic discussion - sfdisk vs parted | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion - sfdisk vs parted (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:50 | |
| devananda | NobodyCam: hi! | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you everyone! | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | May I have a quick announcement, before holiwar starts? | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | hey hey so I've split 93133 up | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: you've had a pretty painful time fixing the volume label bug, it looks like | 19:50 |
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| devananda | hah -- ok, hold on | 19:51 |
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| devananda | #topic something else | 19:51 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: go :) | 19:51 |
| dtantsur | I've prepared two versions of review dashboard http://goo.gl/hqRrRw and http://goo.gl/5O3SWt :) | 19:51 |
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| dtantsur | most of you already seen them, just posting now to get everyone's attention. feedback is welcome | 19:51 |
| dtantsur | that's all for me, thanks :) | 19:52 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks! these look awesome - i've already started using the one you emailed | 19:52 |
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| dtantsur | and btw they include IPA | 19:52 |
| JayF | dtantsur: wondering if it's valuable to split out IPA pull requests | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | JayF why? | 19:52 |
| devananda | #info super awesome new review dashboards! http://goo.gl/hqRrRw and http://goo.gl/5O3SWt | 19:52 |
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| romcheg | dtantsur: Thanks a lot! | 19:52 |
| mrda | \o/ | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, cool! | 19:52 |
| JayF | dtantsur: My honest answer is that I want it, but I know my needs might not align with others :) | 19:52 |
| devananda | #topic discussion - sfdisk vs parted | 19:53 |
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| dtantsur | JayF let's discuss on #openstack-ironic tomorrow, ok? | 19:53 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ok - you're really up now :) | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | :-p I have started to work on the preserve-ephemeral patch and wanted to get input on should we look at replacing parted or keep it? | 19:53 |
| JayF | dtantsur: sure, and no is an OK answer to me as well :) | 19:53 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: AIUI, there's a bug in parted itself which is causing our problem | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, preserve ephemeral? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: is this a new patch? | 19:54 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: and there's no way to work within parted to avoid this issue. Is that correct? | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: yes: lucasagomes: i have split 93133 | 19:54 |
| dtantsur | could you remind, why we moved to parted in the first place? I remember it was for reasons... | 19:55 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ^^ ? | 19:55 |
| JayF | Is there a bug or a note open with what the exact 'issue' being referenced is? | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we are also doing things wrong on having the same label on multiple disks | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | lifeless: per review coments I have split the 93133 in to two patches | 19:55 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the issue is that conductor's host's local disk labels may duplicate the node's disk labels | 19:55 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: not that >1 disk in a given host has duplicate labels | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, sfdisk was broken, so when i was fixing the issue and moving things to it's own classes etc (DiskPartitioner) | 19:55 |
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| NobodyCam | one to wipe meta data (93133) and another as yet to be pushed up one to rework the preserve-ephemeral logic | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | I thought about using parted cause it's was more convinient and also we would use the same tool for both MBR and GPT | 19:56 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, right, yeah that's correct, in the IPA approach for e.g we wouldn't have that problem | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | we were talking last week about generating random labels for the partitions | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | and adding it to the instance_info | 19:57 |
| lifeless | lucasagomes: devananda: with IPA we can suffer the same problem | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | if there are two disks in a machine and the order has been switched | 19:57 |
| lifeless | corner case, but can happen. | 19:57 |
| devananda | right | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | ah yeah | 19:57 |
| devananda | or eg if an operator moved disks between machines (eg, during maintenance) | 19:57 |
| JayF | Aren't there UUIDs for disks you can reference and lookup? | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | JayF: yes but this isn't about what you 'can do' its about what parted *does do* | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: parted checkes label names | 19:58 |
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| JayF | I guess I'm still missing some context about what the exact problem is. I looked at 93133 and didn't see a bug linked in there. | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | so names like "cloud-rootfs" conflict | 19:58 |
| lifeless | JayF: and parted treats labels as unique in [some parts of] its code | 19:58 |
| lifeless | JayF: incorrectly. | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | *could conflict | 19:58 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1317647 | 19:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317647 in ironic "disk volume labels on conductor can conflict with nodes disk labels" [Critical,In progress] | 19:58 |
| devananda | JayF: ^ | 19:58 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: I don't think we should change from parted in fixing the bug | 19:58 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: IMO parted should *only ever* be being used on blank disks. | 19:59 |
| JayF | Yeah so that could happen in IPA, although I think it's more likely to happen with pxe driver / on a conductor | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | (one minute) can we continue in channel? | 19:59 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: so whether we want to move from parted or not is irrelevant to this bug | 19:59 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, removing the metadata seems the right to do | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | before re-partitioning the disk anyway | 19:59 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | that is up under 93133 | 20:00 |
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| devananda | summary: during deploy: wipe metadata, use parted. during rebuild: don't touch partition table and dont use parted. yes/no? | 20:00 |
| devananda | woops - time's up. let's continue in our channel | 20:00 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| mrda | thanks! | 20:01 |
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| mestery | Hi | 20:59 |
| enikanorov | hi! | 20:59 |
| marun | hi | 20:59 |
| regXboi | aloha | 20:59 |
| nati_ueno | Konnichiwa | 20:59 |
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| armax | yello | 20:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello everybody | 21:00 |
| mestery | regXboi: That's salv-orlando's opening remark. I call trademark infringement. :) | 21:00 |
| amotoki | hi, morning | 21:00 |
| obondarev | o/ | 21:00 |
| arosen | hiya! | 21:00 |
| yamahata | hi | 21:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
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| regXboi | mestery: can't trademark a word in this context :) | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | I’m not a copyright guy | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | morning? night? | 21:00 |
| mestery | salv-orlando regXboi: :P | 21:00 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Having trouble at this point. :) | 21:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | yeah not sure what TZ I'm in | 21:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | I think we have quorum now. | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Juno-1 is next Thursday, June 12. | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-1 | 21:02 |
| mestery | I know Juno-1 was very fast coming after the summit, but I think we have a good number of BPs and bugs settle for that. | 21:03 |
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| mestery | I'm going to make a special request to people to prioritize reviewing DVR patches to see how many we can land for Juno-1 yet. | 21:03 |
| mestery | DVR is one of the most critical pieces for nova-network parity. | 21:03 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I think the API-side patch is fast approaching maturity. The other question is whether people think it’s ok to merge without backend support | 21:04 |
| mestery | Any questions on Juno-1 items? | 21:04 |
| mestery | Thanks armax! | 21:04 |
| armax | mestery: ^ | 21:04 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: That was something to discuss here, honestly. | 21:04 |
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| salv-orlando | I think it is ok. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | I was hoping to start landing DVR patches to show the progress, honestly. | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | progress is good, but if we can't test backend a little concerned | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | yeah I can also leverage that to get rid of the NSX-specific extension | 21:05 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: I was going to do that next, but you’re more than welcome to take it off my plate :P | 21:05 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I understand. I think though if htat's the case, we won't land DVR patches until Juno-2, because I don't think the backend will land in Juno-1. | 21:05 |
| regXboi | A bunch of the patches on that search are -1 on the CR... | 21:05 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: I would not date taking work off the hands of a very respected colleague ;) | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | date/dare | 21:06 |
| mestery | regXboi: Yes, I think there are comments being addressed, and some are marked WIP. | 21:06 |
| mestery | OK, I don't want to get too bogged down with this as there is a lot to cover today. | 21:06 |
| armax | salv-orlando: nice way to dodge a hot one | 21:06 |
| mestery | IF peoiple have Juno-1 quesitons, please send them to the ML or ping me in-channel. | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | armax: that would be a warm one honestly | 21:06 |
| mestery | I also wanted to point out the two mid-cycle meetups one more time, please see the agenda. | 21:06 |
| mestery | markmcclain and I are looking for one more core to join us in San Antonio in two weeks if that's possible. :) | 21:07 |
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| mestery | I hear it's hot there this time of year if that helps nudge anyone. ;) | 21:07 |
| mestery | OK, moving on. | 21:07 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:07 |
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| salv-orlando | I’m unlikely to be there, but I was wondering if we’ve decided how to handle the API changes from an API versioning perspective | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | mestery: you're supposed to tell the Alamo is something to see :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:07 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: no need to address now, I just wanted to know if we’re thinking about that as the model and the API are going to be rewritten | 21:08 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: That's on the agenda for later today I believe, I think I added it. | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | cool, let’s move on then | 21:08 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: We are, I will send an email to the ML. | 21:08 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:08 |
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| mestery | OK, salv-orlando enikanorov and myself have been looking into the ssh failure issues, which are on the rise again. | 21:08 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Did you want to update people here? | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | yep | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | i've filed the bug for this case | 21:08 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Also feel free to update. | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | public connectivity issue after reboot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1325737 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325737 in neutron "Public network connectivity check failed after VM reboot" [High,Confirmed] | 21:09 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando also has this patch to aid in debugging via tempest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97269/ | 21:09 |
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| enikanorov | so far this is the condition that makes it different from what we've seen previously | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | I’ve looked at a few logs. There’s nothing suspicious in the agent. | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | + | 21:09 |
| arosen | enikanorov is the reboot a nova reboot; or nova reboot --hard? | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | Also - I’ve seen the same failure on vmware minesweeper for NSX | 21:10 |
| arosen | one does a rebuild of the instance i think | 21:10 |
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| mestery | arosen: I *think* it was a soft reboot, but I could be wrong. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | that pretty much confirms the problem lies within the instance. The console log might tell us more. | 21:10 |
| enikanorov | arosen: i don't know that/ i saw 'instance was destroyed' in nova logs | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | arosen: the vif is never unplugged, so it’s soft I guess | 21:10 |
| arosen | salv-orlando: right | 21:10 |
| arosen | I think the the agent might not detect the vif has been removed and added during the rebuild time. | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | arosen: I thought we addressed that late in Icehouse | 21:11 |
| mestery | It's worth noting this is also affecting stable/icehouse as well. | 21:11 |
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| arosen | markmcclain: how? | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | arosen: after reboot I also the dhcp server distributing the IP to the instance | 21:12 |
| arosen | markmcclain: if i remember correctly the agent runs: ovs-vsctl list-ports -- polling; if the vif is removed and added to the bridge during the poll peroid i think we fail to reprogram the flows. | 21:12 |
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| armax | mestery, salv-orlando: that’s why the trigger I believe is this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90427/ | 21:13 |
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| armax | because tempest does not have a stable branch | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | arosen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66375/ | 21:13 |
| mestery | arosen: I think you may be correct per our discussions earlier. | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | armax: if you can prove me that triggers a failure after the instance is shutoff, I’ll believe that | 21:13 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway - we should probably discuss this after the meeting | 21:14 |
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| mestery | Agreed salv-orlando. | 21:14 |
| mestery | Lets continue discussion after the meeting in-channel on this. | 21:14 |
| armax | salv-orlando: yup | 21:14 |
| mestery | OK, any other bugs we should be tracking as a team enikanorov? | 21:14 |
| enikanorov | ok, another bug worth mentioning is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1314313 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1314313 in neutron "Firewall fails to become active within 300 seconds" [High,Confirmed] | 21:14 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Is SridarK still looking at that one? | 21:14 |
| mestery | SridarK: any progress? | 21:14 |
| SridarK | mestery: yes working this | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | I think enikanotob is following this bug and another that is popping out in the gate too | 21:15 |
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| SridarK | seems like a corner case timing - does not happen on normal operation | 21:15 |
| enikanorov | yep | 21:15 |
| SridarK | will try to get some closure this week | 21:15 |
| enikanorov | i've also pushed a patch to help troubleshooting it in the gate | 21:15 |
| mestery | SridarK: OK, lets discuss in-channel if needed. | 21:15 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Thank you! | 21:15 |
| SridarK | mestery: sure | 21:15 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on, there is a lot to cover still. :) | 21:15 |
| mestery | #topic Team Discussion Topics | 21:15 |
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| marun | re: vif plugging, if we switched to using the monitor.... | 21:16 |
| marun | sorry, save for open discussion | 21:16 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:16 |
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| mestery | marun: I thgouth we used the monitor by default? | 21:16 |
| mestery | Isn't that hte case? | 21:16 |
| arosen | marun: right -- i think that's the correct fix :) | 21:16 |
| marun | we don't use it to track vif state | 21:16 |
| marun | only to note that we need to poll for it | 21:16 |
| mestery | marun: Argh! | 21:16 |
| arosen | just notifications directly. | 21:16 |
| mestery | OK. | 21:16 |
| mestery | #topic Team Discussion Points | 21:16 |
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| mestery | I added this section to discuss a few things which didn't fit elsewhere. | 21:17 |
| mestery | Is ihrachyshka here? | 21:17 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: yep | 21:17 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: YOu wanted to discuss oslo.messaging for a minute I believe. | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I am actually doing that. But if you have other people doing that, I will stop where I am. | 21:17 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: hey. so re: oslo.messaging port, not much to update here really. I've worked on splitting the patch in pieces, have some progress here (see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/oslo-messaging,n,z) | 21:17 |
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| ihrachyshka | it's still WIP, so read with caution :) | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | ihrachyshka: thanks for spliting it | 21:17 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/oslo-messaging,n,z | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I meant processign directly what the monitor says it should be processed | 21:17 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Was there an issue with splitting the patches up? | 21:18 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: and my concern about not being able to split in pieces is solved on its own :) | 21:18 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Great! | 21:18 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: I've found a way to split it | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | a boring process thing rE oslo/messaging | 21:18 |
| ihrachyshka | I hope we'll have something for the next week | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | do we formally need to review a spec? I think not, but let me know if you feel otherwise | 21:19 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I was leaning to not as well. | 21:19 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: if you're working on it, great. | 21:19 |
| mestery | OK, next sub-topic here: OVS firewall driver. | 21:19 |
| marun | salv-orlando: is there a spec or are you prototyping? | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | marun: yes I am I will poke you as soon I’ve somethign I can show you (working slowly in spare time). | 21:19 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: I think we can push smth very high level | 21:20 |
| marun | salv-orlando: ok | 21:20 |
| * mestery is confused by the cross talk. | 21:20 | |
| mestery | Which spec are we referring to? | 21:20 |
| asadoughi | hi. | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | marun: honestly I am prototyping. I’ll do the spec once I see something working | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: we were talking about ovs monitor and ovs agent. | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | stopping that now. | 21:20 |
| asadoughi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89712/ ovs-firewall-driver blueprint | 21:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: OK, thus my confusion. | 21:20 |
| mestery | asadoughi: Hi! | 21:20 |
| mestery | So, I wanted to discuss OVS firewall driver here with the broader team. | 21:20 |
| mestery | There is an issue with it as it stands now: | 21:20 |
| asadoughi | last week in the ml2 meeting we discussed moving forward with the blueprint given the constraits of OVS functionality, i.e. no connection tracking | 21:21 |
| mestery | asadoughi: OK, and that gets us 80% of the iptables driver, right? | 21:21 |
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| asadoughi | mestery: effectively what we can have today would be the iptables driver minus the RELATED feature and stateless rules for non-TCP flows | 21:21 |
| mestery | I just wanted the broader core team's opinion on moving forward with this, given the limitations. | 21:21 |
| mestery | So this is the chance to chime in. :) | 21:22 |
| chuckC | time table for the last 20%? | 21:22 |
| marun | What is the alternative? Waiting until it's 100%? | 21:22 |
| asadoughi | to make this more explicit to the cloud operator and end user, we've added a feature configuration to provide api validation around security group rules that would not match the ovs implementation for example, but would match the iptables implementation | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | this changes the way security groups need to be configured. i think the API needs to somehow indicate whether they are stateful or stateless | 21:22 |
| asadoughi | chuckC: 2015, k or l cycle | 21:23 |
| mestery | marun: connection tracking is being implemented in OVS now, I've seen the design doc on the mailing list there. | 21:23 |
| rkukura | asadoughi: Any additional thoughts on having the server reject attempts to create rules that it won’t be able to enforce when the ovs-firewall-driver is in use | 21:23 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: That's the main concern, yes. | 21:23 |
| marun | So ovs firewall is experimental in juno... | 21:23 |
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| mestery | marun: That's one approach, yes. | 21:23 |
| marun | it won't be feature complete and/or well-tested | 21:23 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: no, i've expressed all i have in the blueprint as-is today | 21:23 |
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| mestery | I am ok with calling it experimental in Juno. asadoughi, is this ok? | 21:24 |
| asadoughi | kevinbenton: sure, if you could comment on the review what you'd like the request to look like with that in mind | 21:24 |
| asadoughi | mestery: sure | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | I'm OK if there is clear documentation & if it is experimental | 21:24 |
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| marun | and when it is no longer experimental, what is the advantage over iptables? easier to configure remotely? | 21:24 |
| marun | faster? | 21:24 |
| mestery | #info OVS firewall driver will be labeled experimental in Juno | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | I just think the incomplete implementation will cause confusion | 21:24 |
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| asadoughi | marun: better performance w/o extra bridge (minus 2 hops) | 21:24 |
| mestery | marun: One less bridge when using OVS for VIFs, for one thing. | 21:24 |
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| marun | but we don't have numbers to back that up.... | 21:24 |
| marun | so... | 21:24 |
| mestery | marun: It's less confusing to users who look and wonder why so many bridges. | 21:25 |
| marun | we *think* it will be faster | 21:25 |
| asadoughi | marun: vthapar is working on numbers | 21:25 |
| mestery | marun: EVen without faster, it's simpler. | 21:25 |
| marun | kind of | 21:25 |
| sweston | does this have any bearing on how I am handling https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 ? | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Triaged] | 21:25 |
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| marun | there is still an educational burden | 21:25 |
| banix | vthapar working on getting some perf numbers afaik | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | sweston: yes | 21:25 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: trading troubleshooting firewall rules for troubleshooting openflow rules. :-) | 21:25 |
| marun | debugging will be more complicated for people already familiar with iptables | 21:25 |
| sweston | markmcclain: I thought so | 21:25 |
| asadoughi | sweston: wasn't aware, i'll take al ook | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | even if it is most performant we won't have parity with nova | 21:26 |
| marun | ^^ +1 | 21:26 |
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| mestery | Right, which is why I'm advocating for calling it experimental. | 21:26 |
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| marun | so long as it doesn't take resources away from parity and is labeled experimental, I'm ok with it. | 21:26 |
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| sweston | so, why not have the implementation of iptables vs openflow rules as a configuration option | 21:26 |
| mestery | marun: +1 | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | I want to throw more meat on the sec group plate… has anybody thought about whether it would be possible to pass packets in and out openvswitch ports to netfiler for iptables processing? | 21:26 |
| asadoughi | markmcclain: specifically you're referring to dvr being ovs only? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | the problem is that the community doesn't really listen to experimental designation | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: is that how vmware handles it? ;-) | 21:27 |
| marun | markmcclain: what would you propose instead? live out of tree until ready? | 21:27 |
| marun | markmcclain: or...? | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: we use upstream ovs. | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | and it’s been two years I’m here and still did not understood how it works | 21:27 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ha! | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | that’s blakc magic for me. | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | marun: sadly I think we may have to sit on it a cycle until the upstream project is ready | 21:27 |
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| marun | markmcclain: what do you mean by 'sit on it'? not merge it? | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | yeah… merging it doesn't really buy us anything | 21:28 |
| * nati_ueno wondering what's Black magic salvatore have... | 21:28 | |
| markmcclain | because we can't test it | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | experimental items aren't tested in the gate | 21:29 |
| mestery | markmcclain: There is that too, yes. | 21:29 |
| mestery | So, is the team's consensus to shelve this for Juno until OVS implements connection tracking? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 21:30 |
| nati_ueno | It looks like we need to discuss what's | 21:30 |
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| nati_ueno | 'experimental' policy | 21:30 |
| marun | +1 the testing limitation is what pushed me in that direction. | 21:30 |
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| sweston | I think that's reasonable, why would we implement in OVS when the functionality works perfectly fine in netflow? | 21:30 |
| banix | mestery: that won’t happen until 2015 | 21:30 |
| asadoughi | nati_ueno: yeah, this is the first time i'm hearing experimental as well | 21:30 |
| mestery | banix: Yes, that's the downside. | 21:30 |
| marun | nati_ueno: I think making sure new features can live outside the tree with minimal churn should be the meat of that policy | 21:30 |
| mestery | My concerns are around the fact this will only implement 80% of the existing API. | 21:31 |
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| nati_ueno | marun: This is a driver, so it fit your definition, IMO | 21:31 |
| marun | My concern is in the testing... | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | mestery: same here is that will 80% and untested | 21:31 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on from this for now. | 21:31 |
| mestery | We should start a ML thread on this to close on it. | 21:32 |
| asadoughi | 80% of the api today, but 100% of the new api extension | 21:32 |
| asadoughi | mestery: ok i'll do that | 21:32 |
| mestery | asadoughi: Thank you, I was going to ask you to send that. :) | 21:32 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next topic. | 21:32 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:32 |
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| mestery | emagana: Howdy! | 21:32 |
| mestery | emagana: Any updates today? | 21:32 |
| emagana | hi there! | 21:32 |
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| emagana | I updated the wiki.. nothing new.. and we are short in time, so let's move on | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | regarding docs, I might be missing stuff on gerrit, but where are we pushing developer docs? | 21:33 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Good quesitons, was sc68cal working on those? | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | I was | 21:33 |
| emagana | sc68cal: do you want me to look over there? | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: I should really help you. If I do not get in touch with you by Friday feel free to tell everybody on twitter I’m a chicken | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | LOL - well I have neglected devref part of the tree for a while now | 21:34 |
| * mestery thinks about #info'ing that one from salv-orlando. :) | 21:34 | |
| mestery | OK, lets move on then. | 21:34 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:34 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi! | 21:34 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:34 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Sorry | 21:34 |
| mestery | Missed parity. :) | 21:34 |
| mestery | #topic PArity | 21:34 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Any updates here this week? | 21:34 |
| mestery | We covered DVR reviews already I think, which are high importance for the team. | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | the db subteam met to discuss healing | 21:35 |
| mestery | HenryG: Thanks for leading the DB meetings! | 21:35 |
| mestery | I'll just use this slot to plug the mid-cycle meeting in July around parity efforts as well: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 21:35 |
| HenryG | A spec is in review https://review.openstack.org/95738 | 21:36 |
| mestery | Thanks HenryG! It would be great to get core reviewers on that spec. | 21:36 |
| mestery | If we could get that merged by next week it puts us in a good place to get the DB work done early in Juno-2. | 21:36 |
| mestery | OK, thanks markmcclain and HenryG! | 21:36 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:36 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: do you think any further attempt from at trying to get healing inline with migration timeline would be a waste of time? | 21:36 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | undo-fest today | 21:37 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Heh :) | 21:37 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Can you attend the meeting tomorrow at 1300 UTC to discuss? | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | no worry I’ll discuss that tomorrow at the meeting set up specifically for this | 21:37 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I'm too quick on the draw today. | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | I had another question on parity... | 21:37 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Please go ahead. | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | any update from obondarev regarding migration from nova-net? | 21:37 |
| obondarev | sure | 21:37 |
| obondarev | after vacation and catching up on everything I've started implementing the migration | 21:38 |
| obondarev | as first step I think it will be a migration for 1 choosen instance for simplicity | 21:38 |
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| obondarev | I decided to go with ML2 OVS for now as DVR will be based on it | 21:38 |
| obondarev | and DVR is one of major parts of nova parity | 21:38 |
| mestery | obondarev: Good choice. :) | 21:38 |
| obondarev | during this first step I hope the design should be refined | 21:38 |
| obondarev | I plan to come up with smth working by J-1 at least | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | makes sense to me. So you will have a solution for migrating instances one-by-one from a nova-network network to a neutron one? | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | +1 for that idea | 21:39 |
| obondarev | salv-orlando: correct | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | just asking here about requirements - is 0 data plane downtime still a requirement? | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | so we run both of nova-network & neutron same time? | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: we can drop connections as we move devices | 21:40 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, it is, though we can handle things which survive TCP session timeouts. | 21:40 |
| obondarev | nati_ueno: yes | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | ah cool. just good to know the rules. | 21:40 |
| nati_ueno | so requirement is no packet drop in TCP? | 21:40 |
| mestery | OK, 20 minutes left and a few more things to cover yet. | 21:40 |
| mestery | Lets move details of this to the ML or in-channel at this point. | 21:40 |
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| mestery | #topic Tempest (third try) | 21:41 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi there! Any quick tempest updates for the team? | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | Hi, a few things. First of all, please take a look at the qa-spec I have created for the scenario tests we'll be developing this cycle. Any feedback is welcome: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600 | 21:41 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600 | 21:41 |
| mestery | Thanks mlavalle! | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | second, I've been interacting over the ML with the team working on the new LBaaS. I want to make sure we have an API defined by the code sprint in San Antonio so tests can be developed | 21:42 |
| mestery | mlavalle: That makes sense, and we're converging in that direction. | 21:42 |
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| sc68cal | I'm working on developing scenario tests that do not rely on the l3 agent, since that will be important for IPv6 scenarios (NO NAT) | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | so I'll keep an eye on that BP | 21:42 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Good idea! | 21:43 |
| mestery | Anything else mlavalle? | 21:43 |
| marun | mlavalle: just a reminder that it's possible to develop scenario tests in tree and only push them to the tempest repo when the api has stabilized | 21:43 |
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| mlavalle | third: I've been also interacting with the FWaaS and it seems we can develop a scenario in one node | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | marun: thanks | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mlavalle: yes, thanks | 21:43 |
| marun | mlavalle: given how important usage is to api design, I think it would be a good idea to try this approach this cycle at least once | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | for the sake of brevity, that's it this week | 21:44 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Thank you for the update! | 21:44 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:44 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi! Any updates this week? | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve already discussed DVR. | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Everything else is on the team page. | 21:44 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, thanks! | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | yw | 21:45 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: And yes, DVR is at the front of everyone's minds right now. :) | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Agreed. | 21:45 |
| mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:45 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: hi! Any updates here? | 21:45 |
| mestery | I think enikanorov also had a request in this slot as well around flavor framework. | 21:45 |
| enikanorov | yep | 21:46 |
| enikanorov | i've sent an email regarding two aspects of flavor fw implementation | 21:46 |
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| enikanorov | which i think need participation from markmcclain | 21:46 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: OK, will read the ML thread there. | 21:47 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on due to time then. | 21:47 |
| enikanorov | yep | 21:47 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov: I'll catch up on the thread | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | Hello | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Hi! Any updates? | 21:47 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: thanks | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | Yes, I met with some cores from tempest and devstack to lay some groundwork for tempest testing for v6 | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | on Friday. | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Great! I saw the twitter pics. ;) | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | In addition, we have a bug report that is going to be filed soon regarding a behavior for floating ips | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | if you have two floating ip pools, v4 and v6 the provisioning happens randomly - see baoli's comments in the transcript from last week's meeting for more info | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | sometimes v4 sometimes you get a v6 | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | waiting on a bug report for full details | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: it's dependent on db natural ordering | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | agree | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | hopefully baoli can writeup a bug report so we can share | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | I'm trying to reach out to a subteam member about a patch that was abandoned | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | that implemented the changes in dnsmasq for the two attributes | 21:49 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Is this for provider net SLAAC? | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | No, this is for doing subnets with ra_mode = 'slaac', etc.. | 21:50 |
| mestery | sc68cal: OK | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | where dnsmasq and the l3 agent handles forwarding | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | It was a big patch that needs to be broken up. | 21:50 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Got it | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | That's it for me, unless there are q's | 21:50 |
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| * mestery waits a bit for any questions. | 21:51 | |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:51 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Hi! Any updates for the team this week? | 21:51 |
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| rkukura | mestery: I can’t think of anything we need to cover here. Sukhdev, can you? | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | Yes - I can | 21:52 |
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| Sukhdev | We have bunch of specs - which we are prioritizing and reviewing | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Juno_Spec_Tracking | 21:52 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: OK, thanks! | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | Our plan is to go through all these specs and move on to the next phase | 21:53 |
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| Sukhdev | that is it really | 21:53 |
| mestery | Sukhdev rkukura: Thanks! | 21:53 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:53 |
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| mestery | nati_ueno: You had an item here in the agenda. | 21:53 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: Around BGPVPN and OpenContrail. | 21:53 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: yours is more important, so I can discuss it later | 21:54 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: OK, cool. :) | 21:54 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronPolicies | 21:54 |
| mestery | I started a wiki to document all the "procedures and policies" in Neutron | 21:54 |
| mestery | I've asked some people to start filling in pages (thanks to those who have!) | 21:54 |
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| mestery | But wanted to broaden this to the team now. | 21:54 |
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| mestery | It would be great to get people to review, provide feedback, fill in holes, etc. | 21:54 |
| marios | mestery: i only came across this today on the ML. should be good for newcomers. i'll try take closer look tomorrow | 21:55 |
| mestery | The idea is to document everything we do as a team. | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:55 |
| mestery | marios: Thank you! There is a section for new contributors, that's somethiong we can fill in as a team. | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: +1 | 21:55 |
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| chuckC | As a newcomer, thanks! | 21:55 |
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| mestery | OK, nati_ueno, now it's your turn for BGPVPN :) | 21:55 |
| armax | mestery: how do we go about it though? | 21:56 |
| mestery | armax: Updating it? | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: can we talk about your -2 in BGPVPN bp? | 21:56 |
| mestery | armax: Sync with me offline if you have questions. | 21:56 |
| armax | will do | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | so my question is related with the policy | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: yes in 4 mins or less :) | 21:56 |
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| nati_ueno | (1) Can we merge bp without dependent code merged or not | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | (2) Can we use 3rd party OSS in neutron | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:57 |
| arosen | OSS? | 21:57 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: Is the issue having Contrail as the OSS backend for the BGPVPN work? | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | armax: open source project | 21:57 |
| VijayB_ | mestery: sorry for the interruption, but since we're short on time, raising my hand for lbaas - are we discussing it in this meeting? | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: yes it is an example | 21:57 |
| armax | nati_ueno: ? | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: re (1): it doesn't make sense to merge a blueprint if we don't have do not have an acceptable path to test it | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | sorry typo | 21:58 |
| mestery | VijayB_: We have 2 minutes left, lets discuss in #openstack-neutron since salv-orlando wanted to be a part of that. | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | arosen: open source project | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I agree if it is a code, but bp is for planning, right? | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yeah maybe just give 5 minutes to get a coffee | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: dependent bp is merged already | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: blueprint implies that it is intended work for the cycle | 21:59 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: +1 to that. :) | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | we really should not accept BPs for items that we won't complete | 21:59 |
| VijayB_ | mestery: sure, let's do that - what time is the next #openstack-neutron scheduled for? | 21:59 |
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| banix | VijayB: it’s 24/7 :) | 21:59 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: IMO, That's independent topic | 21:59 |
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| VijayB_ | banix: ok :) | 21:59 |
| mestery | VijayB_: Lets discuss in 5 minutes from now. | 22:00 |
| mestery | OK, folks this meeting is coming to a close now! | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: so until there is consensus on the usage of contrail as the testing medium then approving the bp can't happen | 22:00 |
| VijayB_ | mestery: ok | 22:00 |
| amotoki | regarding (2) i think we need to ensure neutron works with open source reference implementation even if it is open source impl. | 22:00 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki: for now I agree | 22:00 |
| Sukhdev | Its time folks…. bye..,need to run to another meetring | 22:00 |
| mestery | Reminder: Next week is Juno-1! | 22:00 |
| mestery | Keep up the BP and bug work (and reviews). | 22:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 2 22:00:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-02-21.01.html | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-02-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-02-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| banix | bye everybody | 22:01 |
| marios | goodnight o/ | 22:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | goodnight | 22:01 |
| enikanorov | bye | 22:01 |
| amotoki | bye | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: amotoki: OK let's continue in the mailing list | 22:01 |
| arosen | later! | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: sounds good | 22:01 |
| mestery | markmcclain: good night, or good afternoon? :P | 22:01 |
| obondarev | bye all! | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks.. it's morning 1am.. I've got a 415 wake up call for morning flight | 22:02 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Argh. Get some sleep now. :) | 22:02 |
| marios | markmcclain: you're in the same timezone as me. 'night :) | 22:02 |
| banix | markmcclain: that explains the odd hours of reviews :) | 22:02 |
| marios | markmcclain: oh, sucks about the wake up call. safe travels | 22:02 |
| armax | bye | 22:02 |
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