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HenryG#startmeeting neutron_db13:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 16 13:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at
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HenryGakamyshnikova: jlibosva: hi13:01
HenryGrpodolyaka: hi13:02
HenryGsalv-orlando: around?13:02
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HenryG#topic Blueprint13:02
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HenryGsalv-orlando has provided details comments on the spec13:03
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HenryGI will address them and update it shortly13:03
HenryGThere is not much change affecting the implementation13:03
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HenryGBut he did bring up an interesting idea about dealing with downgrades13:04
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HenryGsalv-orlando: hi, good to have you here13:04
salv-orlandoand on the other hand I think we should not add too much to a single blueprint13:04
salv-orlandomy comments were aimed at getting rid of the plugin specific migrations which exist up to icehouse13:05
HenryGSo we'll look into the downgrade idea in a separate blueprint13:05
salv-orlandothis could be or could not be part of that blueprint13:05
salv-orlandobut I think efforts and assignees could be divided13:05
salv-orlandothe healing migration is already going to be quite an effort - better not to overload this blueprint13:06
HenryGOK. I am leaning towards a separate BP13:06
salv-orlandothe only thing I would add to the current spec is to include also trunk chasers (see comment inline)13:06
HenryGBut it would need to go into Juno to be effective, right?13:06
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HenryGI am just about to push a new patch of the spec to adress all your comments13:07
jlibosvaI think healing at the end of current trunk timeline will require to collect models from current codebase, right?13:08
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rpodolyakaI think we'll need that anyway13:08
jlibosvaWe will need models from Icehouse13:08
rpodolyaka(if we are going to take the 'alembic-driven' approach)13:08
salv-orlandoIdk what’s the delta between icehouse and now13:09
rpodolyakaprobably not much, a few migrations13:09
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HenryGSo the two healings would differ by that delta?13:10
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rpodolyakawhy would we need two healings?13:10
salv-orlandorigth. We can’t ignore trunk chasers; but on the other hand we can’t chase the head of the migration history.13:10
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salv-orlandorpodolyaka: for deployers who run openstack off trunk and might alrady be past-icehouse.13:11
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HenryGrpodolyaka: see salv-orlando comment in spec about trunk chasing13:11
jlibosvaso why not putting it to trunk head only?13:11
rpodolyakasalv-orlando: right, but we are going to add another migration script which will just call healing right?13:11
salv-orlandobut on the other hand if we decide not to care about them, we’d give just instructions to downgrade to icehouse, and then upgrade again13:11
salv-orlandoand deal with potential data loss13:11
rpodolyakasalv-orlando: so we need to heal up to the 'current' moment13:11
rpodolyakanot icehouse13:11
salv-orlandorpodolyaka: yes indeed.13:12
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HenryGI guess that is option 313:12
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salv-orlandowe might just stick the migration in the current point in the timeline when it’s merged13:12
salv-orlandoand we’re done.13:12
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salv-orlandoon the other hand I don’t want you guys to keep chasing a moving target.13:12
HenryGAre we agreeing on that? Sounds easiest to me.13:13
rpodolyakawe could 'freeze' new migrations for a week or two maybe?13:13
salv-orlandoI’ll try and get in touch with the people who can decide actual stuff for neutron and then get an embargo on migrations for new patches.13:13
HenryGakamyshnikova's script is already at the head.13:13
rpodolyakawhen the healing script is ready13:13
rpodolyakaI mean, if you use alembic, this part with which state of models to use is kind of orthogonal to actual healing going, you can use whichever state you want, just need to have it fixed up to some point13:14
HenryG#agree to insert healing at head when it merges.13:14
salv-orlandorpodolyaka: if people in the meanwhile keep pushing migrations which need healing, you’ll chase a moving target.13:14
salv-orlandoI think it’s reasonable to ask that no new migration will have the migration_for_plugins stuff13:15
rpodolyakasalv-orlando: agreed, but maybe we could -2 them for a short period of time?13:15
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jlibosvasalv-orlando: isn't it happening every time someone sends a patch to migrations? There needs to be HEAD file updated13:15
salv-orlandorpodolyaka: yes, we could. But the last time I started throwing -2s around I was surrounded by an angry mob ;)13:16
salv-orlandojlibosva: that’s the standard issue, and it’s fairly easy to deal with. The problematic one is if one adds a migration which is plugin specific.13:16
salv-orlandoThat will require us to change also the healing migration, not just the down revision13:16
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HenryGWhen the code is closer to "ready" we can require patches with migrations to be dependent on the healing patch?13:17
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HenryGThat way they can't merge until the healing is merged, yet they won't get a -2.13:18
salv-orlandoHenryG: no worries I’m not afraid of angry mobs13:19
salv-orlandoI grew up in a bad neighborhood13:20
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HenryGOK, we have both alternatives.13:20
HenryGAnything else about the BP?13:21
salv-orlandonope. I’m ready to +2 once these little tweaks are made.13:21
HenryG#topic Work in progress13:21
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salv-orlandoThen we’ll have it verified and possibly approved by markmcclain13:21
HenryGakamyshnikova: any updates?13:21
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HenryGrpodolyaka: What is the status of oslo.db ?13:23
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rpodolyakaHenryG: we've uploaded the initial release on PyPi but found  a small issue :(13:23
HenryGrpodolyaka: small == soon fixed?13:24
rpodolyakaHenryG: yep, it's already on review13:24
HenryGrpodolyaka: thanks13:24
rpodolyakaHenryG: the next release should be good to use13:24
HenryGrpodolyaka: nice13:24
rpodolyakaHenryG: will tag as soon as the fix is merged13:24
HenryGMeanwhile we should all pull akamyshnikova's WIP patch and try it out.13:25
HenryGAnd provide feedback.13:25
HenryG#topic Open discussion13:26
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HenryGsalv-orlando: we plan to use it for testing. It has a framework for unit testing of migrations.13:27
HenryGIt's mentioned in the spec13:27
salv-orlandoHenryG: using it for testing? but not switching to it from neutron.openstakc.common13:27
salv-orlandonot referring to the spec.13:27
salv-orlandoI’m saying: should we migrate to it?13:28
salv-orlandoor is this meeting just about migrations?13:28
rpodolyakasalv-orlando: the migration should be easy. I'm ready to help here13:29
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rpodolyakaHenryG: actually, model/migrations comparison test didn't make it into the initial release, but we are ready to merge it/tag a new release soon13:29
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HenryGOK, we'll monitor the situation and use oslo.db only if it doesn't impede our progress13:31
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HenryGIf there are no further questions I'll end here13:32
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HenryGThanks everyone13:33
salv-orlandoand anyway I was not saying let’s use oslo.db for migrations. It seems to me that I often fail to express myself in a proper way...13:33
salv-orlandoI was just saying: shall we work on moving from neutron.openstack.common.db to oslo.db?13:33
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salv-orlandoanyway, I’ll see with rpodolyata what it’ll take. This is orthogonal to dbmigrations.13:34
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fthamurawaiting openstack-training-manual meeting15:51
fthamuraanyone here15:51
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rakhmerov#startmeeting mistral16:00
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rakhmerovhow are you?16:01
m4dcoderdoing good.  how about yourself?16:01
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rakhmerovstill alive :)16:01
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dziminehi all16:01
rakhmerovhi Dmitri16:01
rakhmerovso let's begin16:02
dziminerenat welcome back :)16:02
rakhmerovcan we start with quick member-by-member update today?16:03
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rakhmerovI read the previous meeting log so am a little bit aware of what you guys were doing16:03
dzimineI’ll start as there’s little to update: didn’t have time to continue ‘start-task’ blueprint last week unfortunately, so only did reviews16:03
rakhmerovok, that's fine16:04
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rakhmerovdzimine, do you see any potential problems with this task?16:04
dzimineno. it’s just a bunch of updates all over the place16:04
rakhmerovone thing I'm worried about is that we must be really careful about changing our API16:04
dzimineI already have the draft impl.16:05
dziminelet’s talk about API later today. this is a key topic.16:05
rakhmerovAngus warned us many times that we should be carefully versioning our API16:05
rakhmerovok, sure, let's postpone it16:05
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m4dcoderproposed design for on ML. also had some questions on parallelism referenced in the bp.  waiting for responses.  i have some other priority work to do this week so probably won't pick up this bp work until next week.16:05
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rakhmerovI see16:06
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rakhmerovcould you please find a link to this thread?16:06
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rakhmerovthere's 1500 emails in my inbox and I didn't process them yet )16:07
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rakhmerovthanks a lot16:07
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rakhmerov#info Winson's desing for engine-executor protocol:
rakhmerovI'll look at it tomorrow morning and reply to you16:08
rakhmerovthat's pretty important for us16:08
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rakhmerovNikolay, are you with us today?16:09
rakhmerovhe's probably not16:09
rakhmerovTimur also said he couldn't make it to be at the meeting16:10
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rakhmerovso, as far as myself16:10
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dzimineis Angus around?16:10
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rakhmerovI spent most of the time on reading emails, BP comments and talking to folks to find out all the news16:11
rakhmerovand I also started thinking on the big engine refactoring that we agreed on at the summit16:11
rakhmerovhave some ideas written down but nothing is really shaped out yet16:12
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rakhmerovmy plan is to spend some time researching ansible and other wf technologies first since I feel I have lots of gaps in my awareness16:13
rakhmerovI also reviewed several patches today and sent a couple of my own patches16:13
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rakhmerovbtw, dzimine, I agree with you suggestion to hold on making our devstack gate voting16:14
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rakhmerovthere's a patch already but it'll be hanging for a while with -1 till we see it's comfortable to activate it16:15
rakhmerovso anything else for now?16:15
rakhmerovI would switch to open discussion and talk about API16:15
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rakhmerovunless we have anything else: roadblocks, questions etc.16:16
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dzimineAPI is the #1.16:16
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rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:16
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rakhmerovok, fire away Dmitri16:16
rakhmerovwhat are your thoughts?16:17
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dzimineJust like u, I spoke with Angus: they’re ready to use Mistral and once they do we can’t break things.16:17
dzimineBut, we are making breaking changes on API.16:17
rakhmerovwhich ones?16:17
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dziminestart-task, workflow-in-workflow, and exposing worklfows, triggeres, actiosn as 1st class entities.16:18
rakhmerovoooh, but it's all in progress now16:18
rakhmerovwhich is good16:18
dzimineSo, how much of these can we do before we freeze the API?16:18
rakhmerovI believe so far we didn't break anything16:18
rakhmerovI would limit those changes in v1 by start-task16:19
rakhmerovother things should be done as a part of the next API version16:19
dzimineWhat is the deprecation story?16:19
rakhmerovbecause seemingly start-task thing is almost backwards compatible, am I right?16:19
rakhmerovI mean "task" parameter could be just ommitted16:20
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rakhmerovyou mean "requires"?16:20
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dzimineyes ‘task’ can be omitted and ignored in API call. Must present in DSL, though.16:22
rakhmerovif you're talking about "requires" I'm ready to deprecate it now. However, we have to run it by our current stackholders: Fuel and Solum16:22
rakhmerovyeah, DSL will slightly change16:22
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rakhmerovwhich is bad but I think we can afford this change now16:23
dzimineHere’s a suggestion: include start task and deprecate require’ in v1, and do the rest in v2.16:23
dzimineAn alternative would be to ask Angus to wait and help with the API (which he offered) and do the API cleanup in V1.16:24
rakhmerovbut again, let's make sure we won't steal a goodie from FUEL and SOLUM16:24
rakhmerovI mean "requies"16:24
rakhmerovthat's a good alternative16:25
rakhmerovlet me talk to him tomorrow16:25
dzimineI wonder if they can wait.16:25
rakhmerovI just need to sync up with him and see what he's up to16:25
rakhmerovyes, dunno16:25
dziminewith 2 versions of API we’ll need to support 2 sets of tests, etc, it’s too early. If they only can wait for a bit.16:26
rakhmerovanyway, I wouldn't include other changes in V1 like multiple workflows etc.16:26
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rakhmerovonly start-task and "requires" deprecation16:26
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rakhmerovyeah, good point about tests and whatever else16:26
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rakhmerovok, so I think we have an agreement on this16:27
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rakhmerovthe only thing I would suggest is that we shouldn't hurry with this16:27
rakhmerovwe gotta be really really careful and think twice16:28
rakhmerovand discuss things in ML16:28
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, just recalled I had a question for you16:29
rakhmerovit's minor but I'm just curious16:29
rakhmerovwhy did you rename mistral.conf.example to mistral.conf.sample?16:29 generates sample file with this name.16:29
rakhmerovwas there any strong reason or it was just a preference?16:29
m4dcoderalso if we use, it's looking for that file.16:30
m4dcodermore consistent then preference.16:30
rakhmerovok, so it's sort of a standard naming in OpenStack, right?16:30
rakhmerovok, cool16:30
rakhmerovI'm just asking because something got broken because of that but that's fine, we fixed it16:31
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rakhmerovand I also renamed other example files in this manner too16:31
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rakhmerovdzimine, a question to you16:32
rakhmerovdid you already assigned all the BPs to your folks as you planned about 3 weeks ago?16:32
rakhmerovso that I know who is supposed to do what16:32
rakhmerovin terms of amount of time you already told me so I just would like to know some detailes16:33
dzimineno: I am supposed to do this but I only do once they’re available to pick it up.16:33
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rakhmerovas far as I understand, Manas is not available for now right?16:34
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rakhmerovand Kirill very little16:34
dzimineno for Manas, yes for Kirill.16:34
rakhmerovbtw, I had a discussion with the folks today and told again that we should be more open to you16:36
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dzimineyes, thanks: and not just to us but to the community.16:37
rakhmerovyes, right16:38
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dziminedid you see the discussion on fuctiontests?16:39
rakhmerovin ML?16:39
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dzimineML has a link,
rakhmerovcan you include the link pls?16:40
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rakhmerovis there anything that's worth some special attention or it's just FYI?16:41
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dzimineThe attempt is to make as much of functional tests EASILY runnable by developers, the smaller subset which require OpenStack can be run with devstack. Once we are there, we can turn the devstack gate on.16:42
rakhmerovI see16:42
dzimineI want to avoid the situation when there are some tests whic you can run on dev box (or takes too much effort to run), and they fail the gate.16:42
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rakhmerovwell, assummingly we should have two test sets: OpenStack related and OpenStack free16:43
dzimineAnd, if we have them easy to run, we can chage the tests with the code.16:43
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rakhmerovsure, I totally agree with this16:43
dzimineYes that’s the proposal. Now it’s not separated yet: all API tests assumed OpenStack related, but most API calls have little to do with OpenStack.16:43
rakhmerovit would make the process more agile16:43
dzimineSo we all are in general agreement, we only need to give this the right priority.16:44
dziminelet’s check with Timur.16:44
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rakhmerovbtw, we need to start getting Sergey Murashov more and more involved into this16:45
rakhmerovhe's going to replace Timur almost 100%16:45
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rakhmerovanything else for today?16:46
rakhmerovthen let's finish the meeting16:47
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rakhmerovthanks guys for joining today16:47
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rakhmerovI'll see you (virtually) soon16:47
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fthamurai am waiting openstack-training guide meeting :)16:56
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dguitarbitefthamura: meeting will start in a minute16:59
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals17:00
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fthamurahi all17:01
sarobRoll call17:01
fthamurai am new in this training meeting.17:01
fthamuragreet from indonesia, jakarta ;)17:01
matjazphi all17:01
matjazphi fthamura, welcome17:01
fthamurahope can become part of this great work , we use your work here to teach students, and working to adopt as curriculums, and interest with certification (today meeting), so i am listening to know more..17:02
sarob#topic stable actions17:02
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dguitarbitefthamura: good to know that17:02
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dguitarbitestable: I am working on install guide, not much work done yet17:03
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dguitarbitemostly focsing on breaking down install-guide from openstack manuals17:03
dguitarbiteI have a doubt17:03
dguitarbitewhat release should we focus on?17:03
dguitarbitethat is maintain and design?17:03
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matjazp+1 for Icehouse17:04
rluethiagreed. icehouse. check this out:
sarobMorning sparkycollier17:04
rluethisorry, wrong link17:04
dguitarbitealso, which projects should we support for training17:04
rluethithat one.17:04
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dguitarbiteshould we consider new projeccts Ceilometer and Heat?17:05
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dguitarbiteas they are covered by install guide17:05
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dguitarbiteI am aiming for 90% re-use atleast .. it will be very easy to maintain new projects added to OpenStack17:05
matjazpwell ceilometer and heat are nto so new projects.. so I say we include them17:05
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rluethilet's start with the core projects, see how the work out, then expand from there.17:06
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sarobRluethi +117:06
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dguitarbitedguitarbite +117:06
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matjazprluethi: sure, core first17:06
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dguitarbite*rluethi +117:07
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dguitarbiteanything else for stable?17:08
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fthamurawe are working to translate the material, we have a step-by-step training here, based on your training-guide, any idea for me to get that, the material using indonesian language17:09
fthamurashould i work with anne for this or all of you?17:09
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dguitarbitefthamura: I think anne should give you better idea for getting started17:09
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matjazpgood question... translations for training guides17:09
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sarobFthamura you should work with tfifield on translations17:10
rluethithe language sections are currently disabled in our tox.ini17:10
sarobThere is a translation project and team17:10
fthamuramostly student here, using javanese language rather indonesia, 6 months ago, i gave the english, they busy using google translate, so we translate, and now we can setup openstack in 3 days, still using 12.x and workint go make 14.x and icehouse17:10
matjazpsarob: so translation is out of scope for us?17:10
sarobMatjazp the translation team already does it17:11
fthamuramy interest only in training transation right now, but our work still not match with all the content right now,17:11
sarob#action sarob make sure translations continue17:11
rluethimatjazp: I suspect it was mostly to get the repo up and running without any complex configuration.17:11
matjazpsarob: ok so it's a separate project. cool..17:11
fthamurawill post in docs ML to ask this, i posted our work last week anyway17:12
sarob#action sarob verify Javanese translation17:12
dguitarbitefthamura: sounds good to have our content translated17:13
sarobTake a look at your actions17:13
fthamurasarob, we use indonesia language, the student mostly cities around java island, using javanese language17:13
sarobAh right17:13
fthamurathx dguitarbite17:13
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fthamurawe use our material as hackathon material here ;)17:13
sarob#sarob verify Indonesia translation17:13
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rluethisarob: I had a go at bug 1329567, do you know the status?17:14
sarob#action sarob verify Indonesia translation17:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1329567 in openstack-training-guides "since the repo move, new html is not getting on" [Critical,Triaged]
sarobDoesn't look like anyone picked it up yet17:15
sarobHold everything for a17:15
dguitarbitesarob: does it come under stable?17:15
rluethiI'm not sure it would work. I can't really test it.17:15
sarob#topic sparkycollier talks training17:15
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sparkycollierhi all17:16
sarobI asked Sparkycollier to give us17:16
sparkycollierthe foundation plans to roll out a baseline certification.  we are now in the process of negotiating with 3rd party companies to help us execute that plan17:17
sarobA foundation update17:17
dguitarbitesparkycollier: sounds good17:17
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fthamuraany idea for certification, i can become foundation hand here?17:17
sparkycollieronce we have negotiated an agreement with a 3rd party to help us with execution, we will be asking for as many subject matter experts as possible to join in the development phase17:17
fthamuraso my student can get certification17:18
sparkycollierwhich will take several months.. to develop the test itself17:18
sparkycollierthe end goal is to make it possible for people all over the world to take the test and get a certification17:18
dguitarbitesparkycollier: is the foundation targeting something like coursera?17:18
sparkycollierwe are also hiring someone to help us in this area (ecosystem manager job) see posting
matjazpsparkycollier: so the plan is to create a pool of questions/taska/tests that can be taken online?17:19
sparkycollierthe details are TBD but my expectation is that hte testing will be done in person at 3rd party testing centers not online17:19
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sparkycollierI hope to have more details to share in a few weeks when we are further along17:20
matjazpsparkycollier: can we reuse some of the questions in the pool for inclusion in training guides?17:20
sparkycolliergood question, let me look into that.17:21
matjazpsparkycollier: of course, when we'll create our own set, we it can be also integrated into Certificate's pool17:21
sparkycolliermy thinking is that a goal of any training might be to prepare you to pass the test, among other things, including the online training you all are working on now17:21
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matjazpsparkycollier: agree17:22
dguitarbitesparkycollier: agree17:22
sparkycollierI would think that many people on this team will want to particpate in the test development once we kick that off17:22
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matjazpsparkycollier: sure17:22
fthamurasound like OpenStack Ceritified Professional17:23
matjazpsparkycollier: if the question pool is large, then there is no need for hidning the questions ;)17:23
fthamuraRedhat starts rollout this kind of certification also here17:23
sparkycollierthanks all, I'll be happy to join the meeting again with future updates and to ask for your help :)17:23
dguitarbitesparkycollier: thanks a lot for joining us17:23
fthamurahow this certification work with RedHat, and will we use Ubuntu as default distro?17:24
sparkycollierour expectation is that this certification will be vendor neutral and then other distro vendors may offer "add on" certifications that specialize in that particular distro17:24
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fthamurasparkycollier: i interest with this positioning, neutral, that will be awesome,17:25
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sparkycollierI think that is an important aspect17:26
dguitarbitefthamura: foundation always maintains the balance and keeps their official projects vendor neurtal17:26
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sarobRoger that17:27
fthamuradguitarbite: that why i love openstack movement :)17:27
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fthamurathe first open foundation that work and care about education :)17:27
sarobThanks for joining us sparkycollier17:27
sparkycollierhappy to!17:27
sarobLet's move back to outstanding actions17:28
sarob#topic stable actions17:28
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dguitarbite1. Use install guides except where it is not possible17:28
sarobWe can continue the training cert discussion later on docs channel17:29
dguitarbite2. Target Fedora and CentOS along side Ubuntu17:29
dguitarbitealso makes it easier to transition for the official certification program17:29
fthamura+1 for Fedora and CentOS17:30
sarobDguitarbite plan inline maven switch17:30
sarobLike install guides?17:30
dguitarbitevery much like install guides17:30
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dguitarbitemostly the skeleton will be ours17:30
dguitarbitethe content should be taken from install guides17:31
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fthamuraanyone evaluate, the syntax between distro, and make a list what different?17:31
fthamuralike apache2 structure in rpm world and deb world usually different17:31
dguitarbitefthamura: you could start with that, may be have some thing like basics of each distro and differences17:31
dguitarbiteto make it easy to adopt for students who have little to no idea about Linux OSs17:32
fthamurai am using ubuntu and centos, can do that in the future,17:32
rluethifthamura: compare the install guides, that will give you a good start17:32
fthamuradguitarbite, right!! :)17:32
sarobDguitarbite update your plans in the wiki17:33
fthamurai think several feedback to the training, we should have a mini openstack spec to start, like 1 server, 3 server or 5 server, or 10 (ubuntu orange box)17:33
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dguitarbitesarob: another thing, should we aim to be with the current releases?17:33
dguitarbitefthamura: we wont target Ubuntu Orange box17:33
dguitarbitewe will keep our materials vendor neutral17:33
sarobDguitarbite same schedule as docs to start17:33
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fthamurano, i am not target ubuntu box also, i said about 10 servers17:34
fthamuraright now, i am working with 1 server, and will move to 3 server17:34
dguitarbitesarob: when should we get there? I think we should have some road map to get there ...17:34
fthamurawill high availability material part of training guide?17:34
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sarobDguitarbite hmm, true.17:34
dguitarbitefthamura: hmm, ok. Just be sure about Ubuntu box, I have not yet heard any review17:34
dguitarbiteHA may be part of Architect Guide17:35
dguitarbitebut definatly not for Associate, Operator or even Developer guide17:35
dguitarbiteHA is kind of advanced concept to start with17:35
fthamurai steal ubuntu box idea, i bought intel nuc 10 ;) and setup on it ;) rather buy ubuntu box, 1 nuc $500 :)17:35
sarobDguitarbite can we match docs schedule for juno17:35
fthamuraso we can setup cheap lab for poor school17:35
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sarobDguitarbite with stable team17:36
fthamuraubuntu box 12000$, intel nuc 10 pcs  5000$17:36
dguitarbitesarob: I think so, I aim to finish Ice House part by end of this month, we could start17:36
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dguitarbiteJuno adoption next month onwards17:36
dguitarbiteI guess it will be on time17:36
sarobGuys it's good to discuss details offline in the docs channel17:36
sarobWe need to talk tasks17:37
sarobRight now17:37
dguitarbitefthamura: lets talk about it after the meeting, we have limited time17:37
sarobHard stop at 11am pdt17:37
fthamuraany place to ask training thing outside this weekly? doc ML is not the place.. can we have ML dedicated, so student can discuss and ask material there17:37
sarob#action dguitarbite stable team plans for matching docs team release cycle17:38
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sarobDocs ML is the place17:38
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sarobAs well as #openstack-docs channel17:38
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite update stable team plans on Wiki Page17:39
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sarobMoving on17:39
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sarob#topic development actions17:39
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sarobComcast guys introduced to dguitarbite17:40
dguitarbitesarob: are they not attending the meeting?17:40
dguitarbiteor they missed it somehow17:40
sarobDoesn't look like it17:40
MeganRHi, Scott and I are on17:40
MeganRShilla will not be able to attend today17:41
sarobHi meganr17:41
dguitarbiteMeganR: hello17:41
rluethimegan_w: hi17:41
ZucanGKHello :)17:41
ZucanGK(I'm Scott)17:41
dguitarbiteZucanGK: hello17:41
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matjazphi MeganR, ZucanGK17:42
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MeganRHi, we are getting up to speed and look forward to helping out17:42
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sarobZucangk meganr welcome17:43
dguitarbiteok, just reach out to me, rluethi anytime on IRC openstack-doc or on email, mailing list17:43
sarobReal quick I will finish up17:43
dguitarbitewe are happy to help you guys out17:43
dguitarbitesarob: yep17:43
sarobI posted a spec
MeganRsounds great, thank you17:43
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sarobI'll work on proper word wrapping17:44
sarobMore Dev specs today17:44
sarob#topic testing action17:44
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matjazp1. we still haven't resolved the Moodle usage..17:44
matjazpso I will make a spec for it17:45
sarobMatjazp good17:45
sarobMatjazp update the wiki with your plans17:45
fthamuracan i see the moodle? where is the URL , and how to join?17:45
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sarobMatjazp anything else task wise?17:46
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matjazp2. questions are sliced for 4 Guides... no need to slice them further for topics inside guides?17:46
dguitarbitefthamura: we have not hosted it, I can help you out with Moodle's links
matjazpwhat do you think?17:46
sarobMatjazp agreed17:46
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dguitarbitematjazp: would be really good for topic wise slicing of the questions17:46
matjazpsarob: ok, will make it into specs17:46
sarobMoving on17:47
matjazp#action sparkycollier will look into reusing questions for Certification program for Training guides17:47
sarob#topic infrastructure actions17:47
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dguitarbiterluethi and I have been working hard to get the infrastructure up17:47
dguitarbiterluethi: wanna pitch in?17:48
rluethiuploading is going slowly, but we hope to have the scripts up later this week.17:48
sarobRluethi dguitarbite irc bouncer?17:48
rluethiI hit a little snag, though.17:48
rluethihosting of preseed/kickstart files.17:48
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rluethiUbuntu 12.04 needs http, not https.17:49
rluethigithub raw files are only https.17:49
matjazprluethi: I can host at Arnes..17:49
sarobUpdate the wiki with the details floating around17:49
rluethiopenstack git works, I tested it. is there a policy against serving files from there?17:49
sarobI'm lost on scripting status17:50
rluethi(it's not much traffic, a few small files)17:50
dguitarbiterluethi: SSL offloading?17:50
sarobDon't forget mirrors github17:51
rluethiit's just that the old Ubuntu/Debian installer can't grab a config file through https.17:51
dguitarbiterluethi: SSL offloading -- converts https to http and vice versa17:51
clarkbrluethi: yes please use git.openstack.org17:51
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clarkbgithub is known for not being very reliable17:51
rluethisarob: if I can use, there's no problem, because it offers http downloads.17:51
rluethiokay, will do. we can still change the URLs later.17:52
sarobRluethi yup use that17:52
rluethimatjazp: thanks!17:52
sarobIrc bouncer?17:52
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sarobOnly a few minutes left17:52
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* annegentle waves17:53
rluethisarob: I was wondering about that, too. who would host the bouncer?17:53
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rluethihi anne.17:53
dguitarbitesarob: I need to work on that, I was waiting for decision for openstack-training IRC channel. Since we decided not to use it17:53
annegentleI read thru the log, just wanted to say hi17:53
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matjazphi annegentle17:53
dguitarbiteannegentle: hello17:53
sarobWe are going to use #openstack-docs17:53
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matjazpsarob: do we still need irc bouncer if we use docs channel?17:54
sarobUntil we get too noisey17:54
fthamura+1 for the openstack-training manual, so we have a room for training focus chat, can bring student there and interact with people17:54
dguitarbitesarob: yep, was waiting for that, could not get time after that, do we still need IRC bouncer?17:54
sarobYes it's for our clients17:54
sarobNot server17:54
fthamura+1 openstack-training channel .17:54
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annegentledguitarbite: the bouncer lets you catch up even when you're away from the channel17:54
dguitarbiteannegentle: yep, I got that ...17:55
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sarobI'll catch up on bouncer with you guys later17:55
dguitarbitesarob: any leads on where to start for setting it up?17:55
annegentlefthamura: I think students would have a better experience in #openstack or on, the regular support channels, would you agree? Or have you seen otherwise?17:55
dguitarbiteor should I talk to the infra team for setting it up17:55
rluethisarob: znc still needs to run on some sort of server.17:55
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sarobWe can use my Bluehost acct17:56
dguitarbiterluethi: I guess infra team will provide the ZNC server for us17:56
dguitarbitesarob: sounds good17:56
sarobAnd or talk to infra team17:56
rluethidguitarbite: well, if they do: +117:56
fthamuraannehgentle: yup just start to use i try to list all the media to interact and exp if we have exam question, they can discuss there17:56
sarobLet's start with Bluehost17:56
dguitarbiteyep, if the infra team is generous it would be awesome17:56
dguitarbitesarob: just shoot me the details later17:56
annegentlefthamura: good, better to train them early on the official channels17:57
sarobAsk is a good place for learning17:57
fthamuraannegentle: tx17:57
sarob#topic other business17:57
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sarobSo let's get the stable team new contributors working on creating bugs17:58
sarobFirst focus17:58
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sarobThen as stable starts working bugs as17:58
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sarobSoon as you feel you are ready17:59
sarobCritical bugs fix immediately17:59
sarobSound like plan?17:59
matjazpsarob: update wiki :)17:59
sarobWe are done18:00
dguitarbiteill get them started18:00
rluethijust in time18:00
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sarobThanks people !18:00
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fthamurathx for this meeting, hope can join next week18:00
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party18:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 16 18:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'18:00
trinathshi all18:00
anteayawho is here for the third-party meeting?18:01
lyxusI am18:01
trinathsI am18:01
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anteayagreat welcome18:01
anteayahere is our agenda18:01
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anteaya#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:01
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anteayaso Welcome18:02
anteayaanyone here for the first time?18:02
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anteayahi SergeyLukjanov18:02
SergeyLukjanov(not for the first time)18:02
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anteayayeah :D18:02
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anteayaso reminding everyone what the openstack mission is18:02
anteaya#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:02
lyxusI joined the infra when we talked about CI. Not this one though18:02
anteayalyxus: welcome18:02
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anteaya#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:03
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anteayathere are no open action items from last week18:03
anteayathat was quick18:03
anteaya#topic  Announcements18:03
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anteayaanyone have any announcements?18:03
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anteayamestery: you will see I moved your item18:03
mesteryanteaya: thx18:04
anteayano announcements?18:04
anteayalet's move on18:04
anteaya#topic OpenStack Program items18:04
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anteaya#info Review of Neutron 3rd party driver/plugin requirements wiki page (mestery):18:04
anteayamestery: the floor is yours18:04
mesteryanteaya: Thanks18:04
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mesterySo, this somewhat ties into this page as well:18:05
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mesteryMostly, I had hoped to solicit feedback from everyone at this meeting.18:05
mesteryanteaya has worked with me on parts of this already, and her help was much appreciated!18:05
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mesteryDoes anyone have comments?18:06
anteayaso all of it or any part in particular?18:06
mesteryanteaya: Well, perhaps the general direction, but specifics are fine as well. ;)18:06
anteayaif folks are seeing this for the first time it might be a bit of a chunk to give feedback right now18:06
mesteryMostly, I wanted to document hte process elements here so things are written down and expectations are known18:06
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anteayaand I goal I stand behind18:06
anteayaanyone willing to read this and give mestery some feedback on it?18:07
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anteayadoesn't have to be right now but maybe in the next two days?18:07
mesterytrinaths: Your input would be great here if you have time!18:07
swestonI can  volunteer for that18:07
krtaylormestery, I had seen the second page before, but I'll chime in18:07
mesterysweston: thanks!18:07
mesterykrtaylor: perfect, thank you too!18:07
trinathsmestery: neutron 3rd party testing links really helps in what is expected for a 3rd party CI testing18:07
anteayasweston krtaylor awesome18:07
lyxusMost of the points make sense from my point of view. ie: provide logs, last timestamp, etc... The only input that I would have is to have a clear set of what kind of tests are required to be run18:07
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mesterylyxus: good input, thanks!18:08
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anteayaanyone have anything more at this time?18:08
lyxusMaybe another one :)18:08
krtaylormestery, when I was doing my survey of third party documentation before summit, itwas one of the best I found, but I'll look at it in more detail18:08
anteayago ahead18:09
trinathsmestery: [doubt] is that all the test cases be passed for a given patchset and change?18:09
luqasalso could be nice to have the link to the neutron 3rd party requirements on the general 3rd party page18:09
lyxusThe health of the CI is extremely important. There was an email this AM about the % success vs failure. could you clarifiy that ?18:09
mesterytrinaths: Yes, that would be the case I believe.18:09
anteayaluqas: we don't have a general third party page yet, I am working on it18:10
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anteayaluqas: and yes once we have it, the links can be there18:10
lyxusie: does failure means voting -1 or wrongly reporting -1/+118:10
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trinathsmestery: okay.18:10
mesterylyxus: Understood, I'll clarfiy that, good input!18:11
anteayafailure means build failure18:11
luqasanteaya: I thought this one was the general
anteayawrongly reporting means disagreement with jenkins18:11
anteayaluqas: ah, I see what you mean18:11
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anteayaluqas: hmmmm, do feel free to offer a patch with that change and we can review it18:11
lyxusanteaya, Not exaclty it could be an issue in the Third party infra that made a -1 where it should'nt be18:12
anteayaI'm not saying yes or no right now, I would need to think about it and hear from others18:12
anteayalyxus: sorry I thought you were asking for definitions18:12
lyxusi wasn't clear sorry !18:12
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anteayalyxus: if a third party ci system reported a failed build when they shouldn't what would be the situation?18:13
anteaya1) the third party ci is mailfuntioning18:13
luqaswell, it would be nice to have links to all the specifics for the different 3rd party components18:13
anteaya2) the third party ci is incorrect18:13
anteayawhat are the other posssiblities?18:13
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anteayayes is would18:13
anteayapart of the reason for these meetings is to deine all the things18:14
krtaylorhm, maybe a terms/definitions section would be good for those starting out?18:14
anteayaonce we have defined all the things we can write them down and link to them18:14
anteayaa good suggestion18:14
lyxusI don't think so. I think it should be part of the metrics. (in my case, i don't do automatic  -1, as i review them by hand )18:14
luqassounds good to me18:14
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anteayait would be good to have phrasing that we agree on defined18:14
trinathslyxus: failed, means [1] stack components did not start or [2] unable download the packages from internet - were there any thing you have noticed of build failure18:15
anteayalyxus: this is what I am asking you18:15
anteayalyxus: please expand on your perspective18:15
anteayaI don't understand your point yet18:15
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anteayaI'm not saying you don't have a point, I'm saying I don't know what it is18:16
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krtaylorwe should uncouple voting -1/+1 and failure maybe?18:16
anteayaI agree18:16
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anteayasince failure and success are build outcomes18:17
krtaylorone is potentially the result of the other18:17
trinathsas I know, a ci build fails when [1] unable to download the packages from internet , [2] a stack service did not start or [3] a test completely fails.18:17
anteayapotentially yes18:17
lyxusI think i went to far on my idea. I was just wondering how we are going to measure the health of the CI. As long as we have clear requirements , I am fine with that. I just don't think that voting -1 should be part of the metrics18:17
anteayatrinaths: those are the options I also am aware of18:17
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anteayaif there are others, I would like to know what they are18:17
krtaylortrinaths, or, it could be a race condition, we see that often18:18
anteayalyxus: okay fair enough18:18
anteayalyxus: why do you feel voting -1 should not be part of the metrics?18:18
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akerranteaya: it's possible someone commits code the legitimately breaks a driver.  That's not a failure or instability of the ci system18:20
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anteayaakerr: right18:20
anteayathat is one of the possible outcomes of testing18:20
akerr-1 counting will give you a lot of red herrings if you use them to look for instability18:21
anteayaand rather the point of the whole affair18:21
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lyxusanteaya, Voting -1 means that there is a problem with the dev code. As a dev, if i have a -1 it takes time to investigate it  and see the issue. As the CI maintainer before doing a -1, i want to be sure that it is a real problem. This thing might take a bit18:21
anteayaakerr: how do you propose we identify unstable systems?18:21
lyxusanteaya, Don't get me wrong -1 are important.18:21
akerranteaya: I don't have a good answer for that, but I don't think -1 counting is the right way18:21
anteayalyxus: fair enough18:21
anteayalyxus: and if you need time to communicate that is fair18:22
anteayakeep in mind this meeting is to share ideas18:22
anteayawe have no authority to make decisions18:22
anteayadecisions like with the programs18:22
anteayainfra, neutron, nova, cinder, etc18:22
anteayawe are here to share ideas18:23
krtayloragreed, but after discussing, we might be able to influence them a little bit18:23
anteayaakerr: okay, I'm open to hearing what you feel the right way is after you have had some time to give it some thought18:23
anteayawe can present good ideas18:23
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anteayaand improve documentation and disemmination of information18:24
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anteayaso any more on this topic today?18:24
lyxusNot for me18:24
anteayalet's move on18:24
anteaya#topic  Deadlines & Deprecations18:24
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anteayamestery: anything for this topic today?18:25
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mesteryanteaya: Nothing that isn't in the published wiki pages or the email I sent.18:25
anteayalet's put it in the logs as well18:25
mesteryPeople ahve been very proactive about sending me emails, I need to reply and indicate they shoudl also copy the list.18:25
anteayain case people only read meeting logs18:25
mesteryThe plan is to ensure all Neutron 3rd party CI systems are running by Juno-2.18:26
mesteryIf they are not, we will take steps to remove code from the upstream tree.18:26
anteayaawesome thank you18:26
mesteryI hope CI admins use this meeting to get help and work with the broader community before the deadline!18:26
anteayaand you have at least two drivers slated for deprecation, yes?18:26
anteayamestery: thanks, me too18:26
mesteryCorrect; Linuxbridge and OVS will be removed in Juno-2.18:26
mesteryML2 is the replacement for both.18:27
* anteaya nods18:27
anteayaany other openstack program reps with deadlines or deprecations today?18:27
anteayamoving on18:27
anteaya#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:27
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anteaya#info How DriverLog can help tracking 3rd party CIs status18:28
anteayailyashakhat__: is that your topic?18:28
ilyashakhat__yep, i'm here to help)18:28
anteayalet's start off with some background shall we18:28
anteayawhat is driverlog, and what is the current status?18:28
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ilyashakhat__DriverLog does 2 things: 1) it is a list of drivers18:29
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anteayahow is the list of drivers compiled?18:30
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ilyashakhat__2) for drivers with enabled CIs it collects votes and shows their status18:30
anteayawhat files are scraped to arrive at the driverlog list?18:30
anteayalet's start off with the list of drivers18:30
anteayahow does that occur?18:30
trinathsis DriverLog, active now. can we access it18:30
ilyashakhat__the list was created manually and updated by community18:31
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ilyashakhat__the patches are accepted to project stackforge/driverlog18:31
anteayailyashakhat__: where is the file containing the list so that people can file patches?18:31
ilyashakhat__for every driver it is possible to specify static list of versions,18:32
anteayaokay so for drivers either present that shouldn't be or missing that should be there, folks can file patches to that file, correct?18:32
ilyashakhat__or this list can be calculated by gerrit reviews18:33
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anteayastatic list of versions18:33
ilyashakhat__anteaya: correct18:33
anteayawhat do you mean, openstack release versions?18:33
anteayaokay great18:33
anteayaanyone with any other questions about the list of drivers and how that is compiled?18:34
lyxusilyashakhat__, maintainers: is it the code maintainer or Ci maintainer. I assume also that you can have more than one maintainer. Seem to be a list18:34
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ilyashakhat__lyxus: maintainer = person who can respond to any questions regarding the driver18:34
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ilyashakhat__it is a list18:34
lyxusilyashakhat__, thank you18:34
anteayailyashakhat__: how is the list of maintainers compiled?18:35
trinathsilyashakhat__, when can a unlisted driver be added, after CI is approved for voting ?18:35
anteayawhere did you get that information?18:35
ilyashakhat__anteaya: just digging over wiki-pages :)18:35
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anteayailyashakhat__: hmmmm, not really a canonical list18:36
anteayafor something as sdague rightly pointed out is consummed by the media18:36
ilyashakhat__trinaths: you may add driver first and then update it with CI info18:36
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anteayailyashakhat__: so maintainers add their driver when they want to?18:36
trinathsilyashakhat__, okay. it like git commit ?18:36
anteayano review of status for them to be added?18:37
anteayatrinaths: it is a stackforge project18:37
ilyashakhat__anteaya: what do you mean?18:37
anteayatrinaths: it follows the openstack workflow18:37
trinathsanteaya: okay thanks18:37
anteayailyashakhat__: so the thing with anything with third party is status18:37
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anteayaand third party vendors are motivated to say they are ready when they are not ready18:38
ilyashakhat__having driver on the list doesn't mean it complies to 3rd-party requirements18:38
anteayalike mestery's round up of third party ci system's for neutron has shown18:38
ilyashakhat__in that case the will get red mark meaning they have no CI18:38
anteayailyashakhat__: what does having a driver on the list mean?18:38
ilyashakhat__it means that driver exists in the world18:39
anteayawhat is the meaning of having a driver on the list18:39
anteayadoes it18:39
anteayayou just said it means they submitted a patch18:39
trinathsilyashakhat__,then it will be a big list, when driver is listed here, it may be within the CI requirements18:39
lyxusilyashakhat__, If i want to modify the default_data.json. Pull request is the way to go ?18:39
ilyashakhat__lyxus: git review18:40
lyxusilyashakhat__, ok18:40
ilyashakhat__it follows standard OpenStack process18:40
lyxusilyashakhat__, perfect !18:40
trinathsilyashakhat__, i think, the drivers/ci need to added whe CI meets the requirements and is voting ..18:40
anteayaso my point is that driverlog is estabilishing that it has no meaning18:40
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anteayaif it is just a place where vendors can shove code for marketers to consume18:40
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ilyashakhat__why? 'CI tested' column is the right place to look for drivers with CI enabled18:41
anteayaah yes18:41
anteayalet's get to CI tested18:41
anteayawhich we already established last week on the ml doesn't actually mean tested18:41
anteayaso let's look at that column18:42
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anteayathe entries for that column are two icons18:42
ilyashakhat__yep, i think this needs to be fixed18:42
anteayaam I correct so far?18:42
anteayaa green check mark and an arrow of some kind18:42
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anteayapointing from lower left to upper right18:42
anteayailyashakhat__: is this accurate so far?18:42
ilyashakhat__(arrow means that link will be opened in new tab)18:43
luqasone thing is CI tested and another is that the CI fullfills the requirements18:43
ilyashakhat__anteaya: yes18:43
ilyashakhat__luqas: right18:43
luqasso maybe another mark is needed18:43
anteayailyashakhat__: okay what do the icons mean?18:43
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ilyashakhat__red means "no CI", green "CI is configured and has at least one vote"18:43
anteayared what?18:44
luqasto tell if the CI is "certified" by OS18:44
anteayano certified18:44
anteayanothing is certified by anyone for any reason18:44
ilyashakhat__luqas: don't use "certified" :)18:44
anteayailyashakhat__: so the check mark can be green or red?18:44
ilyashakhat__red mark means that the driver has no CI18:44
anteayais that what you are say?18:44
anteayawhat about the arrow18:45
anteayawhat colour choices does the arrow have18:45
ilyashakhat__arrow is just a part of design18:45
anteayawhy have it?18:45
anteayawhat information is it conveying?18:45
ilyashakhat__it means that the link will be opened in new tab18:45
anteayalink to what?18:45
krtaylorbut what does CI tested really mean? just running tests? or tested to pass some level of requirements?18:46
anteayaweb-link to what?18:46
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anteayakrtaylor: so far it appears to mean they have a gerrit account18:46
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ilyashakhat__anteaya: to the latest review where the driver's CI ran18:46
luqaswhich has voted at least once18:46
anteayagreen check mark is "gerrit account exists"18:46
ilyashakhat__krtaylor: CI tested = just running tests18:46
anteayaluqas: it could have voted on teh sandbox repo18:46
anteayaluqas: that is useless information18:47
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anteayailyashakhat__: but it isn't18:47
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krtaylorthen it shouldnt be called "tested"18:47
anteayaright now all it is saying is the gerrit account exists18:47
anteayayes, I agree with krtaylor18:47
luqasanteaya: then the vote on the sandbox repo shouldn't compute18:47
krtaylor"CI running" would be more descriptive18:47
ilyashakhat__ok, we can rename it18:47
anteayaluqas: shouldn't and does are two different things18:48
anteayailyashakhat__: please do18:48
anteayailyashakhat__: I'm not saying I disagree with the direction18:48
anteayaI am saying taht you are currently conveying inaccurate information18:48
anteayain a field rife with inaccurate information18:48
krtaylorilyashakhat__, I'll patch today for PowerKVM, it was missed in the initial population18:48
ilyashakhat__but we are community, and we can improve it :)18:49
krtayloranteaya, agreed18:49
anteayamaking it very very hard for people who want to do the right thing18:49
anteayailyashakhat__: good, the first improvement is to cease conveying inaccurate information18:49
anteayaas fast as you can18:49
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anteayaactually CI exists is the accurate discription of that column18:50
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anteayasince it isn't polling on current status of systems18:50
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anteayaand has green check marks for systems that haven't voted since februaruy18:50
krtayloranteaya, then can't it self populate from the CI group?18:51
anteayait doesn't seem to be doing so18:51
ilyashakhat__if take only drivers with CIs, what kind of dashboard would you like to see?18:51
anteayaI don't know what it can or can't do, I jsut know what it is doing18:51
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anteayawe need to move onto the next agenda item18:51
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anteayailyashakhat__: will you agree to rename that column from ci tested to ci exists?18:52
ilyashakhat__anteaya: yes, I agree18:52
anteayaand we can work on how to communicate other information on status18:52
anteayailyashakhat__: thank you18:52
anteaya#action ilyashakhat__ to rename driverlog ci tested? to ci exists18:52
anteayawe can talk more about driverlog next week18:52
anteayafair enough?18:52
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anteayaokay I need to give trinaths some time18:53
anteaya#info Discussion on Improving CI performance and Multi Node setup (trinaths)18:53
anteayatrinaths: you're up18:53
anteayawhat is on your mind18:53
trinathswith my CI, I see that it takes about an hour for a build to complete. any ideas on lowering the test run time18:54
anteayatrinaths: builds on infra take about an hour18:54
anteayaso the build time on your system is about the same as infra18:54
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swestonthat's a good metric18:55
anteayadepends on what tests you are running18:55
anteayawhat tests are you running?18:55
trinathsgetting all the openstack components from git take much time18:55
swestoncan that be posted somewhere .. a lot of people ask about that18:55
anteayahow much time?18:55
anteayasweston: sure, where do you suggest?18:55
trinathsas suggested in Neutron3rdParty testing linl18:55
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anteayamestery: any objection to adding that metric to the neutron third party wiki page?18:56
swestonanteaya:  possibly a wiki18:56
mesteryanteaya: I think adding that metric would be fine.18:56
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anteayagreat thanks18:56
trinathsis that longer time for a build a fault with my CI, any suggestions on improvement18:56
lyxusI have cut down a lot of the building time by having a local pypi and having part some of the ubuntu packgages installed.18:56
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anteayatrinaths: do you want to add that and sweston can you review his changes?18:56
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anteayalyxus: great, have you documented your process anywhere?18:57
swestonanteaya: glad to18:57
anteayaon a blog post perhaps?18:57
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anteayasweston: thanks18:57
lyxusanteaya, I can write something if you want to18:57
trinathswhat changes ?18:57
anteayalyxus: that would be great if you could18:57
lyxusanteaya, I will do that.18:57
anteayalyxus: thanks18:58
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anteayaand you can add the url to next week's meeting18:58
anteayaand we can applaud in gratitude18:58
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swestonanteaya: yw18:58
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lyxusWe'll see :) I will write it this week.18:58
anteayatrinaths: do you want to add the information that it takes about an hour to run a build to the neutron wikipage?18:58
anteayatrinaths: sweston is willing to help you18:59
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anteayalyxus: awesome thank you18:59
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anteayawe are out of time18:59
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anteayasorry if I didn't get to your item, please add it to next week's agenda18:59
trinathsanteaya, sure. sweston help may solve the problem18:59
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anteayathanks for a great meeting18:59
krtaylorgood meeting!18:59
anteayasee you next week18:59
lyxusthanks !18:59
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NobodyCamwho's here for the Ironic meeting?19:02
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devananda#startmeeting Ironic19:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 16 19:02:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:02
devanandahi all!19:02
NobodyCamhi devananda19:03
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romchegGood morning/evening everyone!19:03
devananda#chair NobodyCam19:03
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:03
devanandaas usual, our agenda can be found here19:03
devananda#topic announcements19:03
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devanandaI think there's a few announcements to make today19:04
devanandawhich I didn't add to the agenda -- sorry19:04
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jrolldevananda: I have one as well when you're done19:04
devanandamost notably, we landed a lot of bug fixes last week -- thanks to everyone who helped with reviews !19:04
devanandaand the J1 milestone was tagged on thursday19:04
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devanandaalso, sdague did a lot of work fixing the gate issues, one of which was removign ironic from the integrated gate19:05
JayF/o\ \o/19:05
devanandaso we currently have our own gate queue, meaning we can land patches much faster than we could in the last few weeks19:05
devanandaso that should help us get some *features* landed in J2 :-D19:05
devanandaok, two more announcements, which are on the wiki19:06
devanandabug tags -- dtantsur had started work on that, and I added several more19:06
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devanandaand updated the main wiki19:06
NobodyCamThank you sdague !19:06
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devanandaso when filing or triaging bugs, please try to tag them when there's something appropriate19:06
NobodyCamoh I too have a minor thing19:07
devanandathat'll help folks find bugs in areas they are familiar with / want to work on19:07
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comstudo/ (late)19:07
devanandathe midcycle19:07
devanandawe're confirmed and all that to be colocated with nova19:07
devanandadetails are here19:08
devanandaif you are going to attend, please RSVP here:
* NobodyCam notes to do that toda19:08
devanandaso I can tell the venue how many are coming19:08
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devanandaalso, I'd love us to have an agenda19:08
romchegdevananda: What about invitations for those who do not live in the US?19:09
devanandaanyone want to coordinate that?19:09
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devananda#info anyone needing a VISA invitation, please email me directly19:09
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devanandaromcheg: ^ I'll see waht I can do, but can't promise anything ... also such things often take a long time19:09
lucasagomesplease put the topics to be discussed in the juno mid-cycle sprint on that etherpad ^19:10
devanandalonger than the ~6 weeks until the sprint19:10
romchegdevananda: Thanks for the info!19:10
NobodyCamover the weekend I put up which Moves check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise from the experimental queue19:10
NobodyCamto the check queue for TripleO and Ironic.19:10
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linggaois the mid cycle paid by openstack fundation ? :-)19:10
devanandaNobodyCam: please hold off on review discussions until later in the meeting19:10
devanandalinggao: no19:10
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devanandawe can talk more about the midcycle a bit later too19:11
devanandathat's it for my announcements. jroll, you had something quick?19:11
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jrollfor anybody that happens to be in SF for gigaom structure conference (or otherwise) the SF rackspace office is having a structure after party on thursday night. you're all invited - our team (mostly in this office) has really enjoyed working with y'all :)19:11
jrollthat's all :)19:12
devanandajroll: awesome! thanks for sharing19:12
devanandajroll: have a link to more info (like dates)?19:12
comstudthis thursday at 5pm19:12
devanandaoh, this thursday. heh :)19:13
devanandaok, moving on19:13
jrollI should have one by end of day today, but yes, thursday at 519:13
devananda#topic release cycle progress reports19:13
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devanandaas i mentioned, j1 was tagged19:13
linggaowhen will be j2?19:14
devananda62 bug fixes, 0 blueprints19:14
devanandaj2 is targeted for july 2419:14
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devanandajust before the sprint19:14
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devanandawe are tracking things that we target to J2 here19:15
devanandaat the moment, we have only had one spec approved19:15
devanandalucas' instance-info spec19:15
devanandai think we need to spend some time this week hammering on specs19:15
devanandawhich we think we can implement by j219:15
devanandaso that they're approved ASAP19:15
linggaoso how to make sure one blueprint/feature get into j2?19:16
jroll^ we definitely need more cores looking at specs, I have two and have seen very little action in the reviews19:16
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rloo_devananda: there is a separate list of folks that can +2 specs, vs reviews, right?19:17
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devanandarloo_: correct19:17
jrolloh? who is on that list?19:17
rloo_i thought russell was on it but i could be wrong.19:17
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jrollrloo_: russell_h ?19:18
devanandathe lists are separate to allow for different types of contribution19:18
rloo_jroll: be nice to those guys ;)19:18
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devanandaIMHO, not everyone reviewing specs needs to be reviewing code, but they do need to understand the project's issues19:18
linggaoso if a spec is landed does that mean it approved for Juno?19:18
devanandalinggao: no19:18
JayFDo specs require 1x+2 or 2x+2?19:19
linggaoI have some specs there, but not sure when do I supposed to start write code.19:19
lucasagomesJayF, 2x+219:19
devanandalet me find the link ...19:19
devanandathere is a good description of the process we're following in the wiki19:19
linggaoI saw some patches checked in before the specs got landed.19:19
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devanandai am not infinitely scalable :(19:19
jrolldevananda: here's that link
mrdadevananda: not true! :P19:20
lucasagomeslinggao, yeah, some patches came from old blueprints that were transformed into a spec later (like the management interface one)19:20
devanandajroll: yep, thanks19:20
linggaolucasagomes, also iLO.19:20
devanandalinggao: approving a spec means that the proposal is accepted, but the code/feature may still not be targeted19:21
rloo_devananda: could we add 'ironic' to that Blueprints wiki?19:21
linggaolucasagomes,  also the whole disk support.19:21
devanandalinggao: that is tracked on launchpad19:21
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dtantsurlinggao, they weren't landed, were they?19:21
devanandawe still have *A LOT* of features proposed without specs19:21
devanandathat's not a call to write specs for all of them19:22
linggaodtantsur, no.  I just want to know when is a code time to *start* write code.19:22
dtantsuroh, and I'll have a question what to do with bugs like
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1327187 in ironic "node extra attribute as capability in host states  " [Undecided,Invalid]19:22
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devanandalinggao: that depends. what's really a question for reviewers is when do we /approve/ the code19:22
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devanandalinggao: which should be after teh spec is approved and the feature is targeted to a milestone19:22
rloo_linggao: I think you're free to write code whenever, but you'd need to be aware that if the spec isn't approved or the direction/design is changed, your code will also have to correspond to those changes.19:23
dtantsurI understand people start writing some code before BP is targeted, we just should not approve it19:23
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lucasagomesrloo_, +119:23
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rloo_to be honest, given the number of reviews, I won't even look at a review associated with a blueprint unless the blueprint is approved.19:23
linggaorloo, that's my worry19:23
devanandacore reviewers should be getting better at landing code that has a spec approved, and blueprint targetred to current milestone19:23
devanandaaside from bug fixes19:23
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devanandarloo_: thank you :)19:23
mrdadtantsur: so leave big code changes as WIP until spec approved? Or flag in the review that the spec is awaiting review?19:24
devanandarloo_: you're doing it right :)19:24
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devanandarloo_: feel free to -2 code changes that link to blueprints which are not yet approved19:24
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rloo_devananda: i guess the question is (and was when this new blueprint process came up), is if the specs process will delay things for the developers.19:24
devanandarloo_: yes, it will19:24
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dtantsurmrda, I suggest cores just never +2 it (maybe just +1)19:24
linggaojust do not like to write throw-away code.19:24
devanandarloo_: but it should be a huge help to the core review team19:24
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rloo_is there a need for a 'blueprint spec' review day?19:25
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devanandarloo_: we do need to review the specs19:25
romchegrloo_: It's hard to do19:25
lucasagomesproblem with a spec review day is that we can't really land following patches19:25
JayFI would be very curious as to the review stats for specs vs. code. I just don't see much movement in review for specs.19:25
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lucasagomesI think we need to dedicate a bit more time per day to review it19:25
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romchegrloo_: Specs require careful reading19:25
lucasagomes(will do it)19:25
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devanandaall of this is really a call to action for folks to review specs19:26
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dtantsurgot it :)19:26
devanandaI think we need to land some big features this cycle19:26
rloo_and get ironic graduated?19:26
devanandarloo_: right19:26
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devanandarloo_: but a few of the feature proposals ARE towards taht end19:26
devanandalike the async api19:27
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devanandaanyway... i'm goign to side track myself soon.19:27
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devanandagoign to move on lest we spend the whole meeting talkign about specs19:27
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devananda#info need more people to review specs, particularly for features that we want to land in j2 or j319:28
devananda#topic sub team status reports19:28
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devanandaShrews, adam_g: hi! any updaets on the tempest work?19:28
adam_gthe  new tempest patches are still in review19:28
adam_gbiggest news here has been the ironic gate jobs becoming non-voting19:29
adam_gquestion.. is this what we want? or should we be actively trying to get that change reverted?19:29
rloo_adam_g: what are adv vs disadvs?19:29
devanandaadam_g: aiui, you're referring to gate-tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic being non-voting on ironic itself19:30
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adam_gdevananda, yes, and on DIB19:30
devanandaadam_g: i feel quite strongly that our tempest tests should be voting in our gate19:30
Shrewsdevananda: turns out adding new ironic tests to tempest is complicated by the fact that only a single bm node is available for the tests. This means parallel testing will not work (that's not done anyway), and we must add code to make sure the bm node is available for the next ironic test. I've added code for the second part (going through testing now).19:30
lucasagomesyeah, I rely on that test, because that's the only test that actually deploys a vm end to end19:30
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adam_grloo_, AFAIU, it allows ironic to land patches quicker and if our job ends up with a rate of failure, it does not affect the main gate queue for other projects (which was the case during the gate fire of  the last two weeks)19:31
devanandaAIUI, sdague made that change because a) that test was failing often due to network issues, and b) ironic was in the integrated gate19:31
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devanandaboth of which have been addressed, afaik19:31
rloo_adam_g: so those are pros. cons?19:31
adam_grloo_, pros, i suppose. cons are we dont get that test coverage as part of the gate :)19:32
romchegI think we should try to revert that change19:32
adam_gthe job was actually made non-voting because some fixes had not synced to all devstack slaves. but we appear to be stable again
romchegSince it won't affect the main gate anymore19:32
devanandaShrews: ah, a cleanup between tempest tests? yep, i think we need that19:32
dtantsur+1 for making it voting again19:32
devanandaadam_g: are there any cons for reverting that change?19:33
adam_gokay. i have a patch that should address some of the other structual issues  identified with the ironic job. hoping we can get it voting again once that merges, tho it may take some time to prove stability once again19:33
rloo_the test is being run, just not voting?19:33
devanandarloo_: correct19:33
rloo_is it passing > 90% of the time now?19:33
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devanandarloo_: it votes in our check queue and runs in gate, but doesn't vote in gate19:33
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Shrewsdevananda: more like a wait for the cleanup to complete19:33
adam_gdevananda, not that i can tell, its just a matter of convincing others that we are stable.19:33
devanandaadam_g: that link seems to only show stats for check queues19:34
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adam_gdevananda, oh, dag. ill fix that after the meeting19:34
devanandaNobodyCam: any updates on the tripleo tests?19:34
NobodyCamover the weekend I put up which Moves check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise from the experimental queue to the check queue for TripleO and Ironic.19:35
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NobodyCamit will be non voting until it proves it self as working19:35
NobodyCambut it should19:35
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devanandasounds good19:36
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devanandaNobodyCam: i think that should remove check-tripleo-ironic-seed now, no?19:36
NobodyCamits still a valid check no?19:37
devanandaNobodyCam: it's a subset of the undercloud test19:37
lucasagomesbooting the undercloud already include creating the seed vm and all?19:37
lucasagomesif so yeah, sounds good to remove it19:37
devanandaNobodyCam: I'm not totally sure. please check with lifeless after the meeting on that, but I think that's what he wants19:37
NobodyCamif undercloud proves it self as working then I will remove seed when switching it to voting19:37
devananda#topic bugs19:38
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NobodyCamand check with lifeless too19:38
devanandadtantsur: hi!19:38
dtantsurfirst some numbers about the situation: 2 New bugs; 118 Open bugs; 41 In-progress bugs; 1 Critical bug; 19 High importance bugs19:38
devanandadtantsur: welcome back :)19:38
dtantsuryeah, thanks :)19:38
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dtantsurI'm going to count differences every week, so that we feel, where we're going19:39
dtantsurnote that we have 41 in-progress bugs, isn't it too much?  <-- open question19:39
devanandadtantsur: thanks! that should be very helpful19:39
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devanandahow many of those 41 are actually in progress?19:40
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dtantsurthat's the question :) I've cleaned bugs that are _obviously_ not in progress19:40
dtantsurthe remaining are up to their owners, I guess19:40
rloo_in-progress == there's a review associated with it?19:41
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dtantsurrloo_, we're aiming for this19:41
dtantsurbut actually people need some time before review. and this time can grow and grow...19:41
dtantsurwe're committed to no more than 7 days before patch arrives19:41
dtantsur(that was 2 weeks ago)19:41
dtantsurI'll be keeping eye on this19:41
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mrdasounds like we need some more reviewing done :)19:42
devanandaone thing I'd like to call out is setting proper importance on bugs19:42
rloo_dtantsur: sorry, i think you mean that in progress == assigned?19:42
dtantsurrloo_, to me it's the same19:42
devanandaI think folks (myself sometimes as well) are using priority more as an "how soon do we want this fixed"19:42
rloo_dtantsur: I don't view it as the same, that's why I wanted clarification ;)19:42
devanandarather than what it means to the rest of openstack -- importance or impact of this bug19:43
devanandathere are some low-impact bugs that we may want fixed soon19:43
devanandathe way to communicate that via LP is to set the priority "low" but target it to the next milestone19:43
dtantsurfor me "in progress" means we have a responsible one who is moving it. assigned means someone is doing something on it, not just sitting :)19:43
lifelessdevananda: NobodyCam: the seed job19:43
lifelessyes, for now we can replace it with the undercloud one, which means that ironic in the *seed* is being exercised.19:44
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lifelesswe actually want two other things - a) a seed-uc-overcloud job and b) to run tempest against each of the stages19:44
NobodyCamlifeless: awesome ty...19:44
devanandadtantsur: let's see if we can get the # of inprogress bugs to actually reflect # of code reviews fixing bugs19:44
dtantsurdevananda, ok :)19:45
dtantsurI have 2 more things on agenda...19:45
devanandafwiw, i think it's quite possible we have that many open reviews proposign bug fixes19:45
dtantsurmaybe, I didn't research this numbers quite well19:45
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dtantsurnext, launchpad can show some guidelines to one reporting bug. I'm trying to write such guidelines and I need your help:
dtantsurat least I suggest asking people for logs19:46
dtantsurthey're often missing19:46
dtantsuranyone can help me?19:46
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romchegdtantsur: I will take a look19:46
dtantsurAnd one more open question re bugs and specs: what to do with bugs like
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1327187 in ironic "node extra attribute as capability in host states  " [Undecided,Invalid]19:47
dtantsurthat's actually a non-written spec19:47
jrolldtantsur: IMO you did the right thing there19:47
devanandadtantsur: reject the bug, have them file a spec, exactly as you did19:47
dtantsur(I've put it into letter to devananda last week, but afaik the letter didn't get to you, right? :( )19:47
lucasagomes+1 agreed, cause that bug fix might touch many parts of the code19:47
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devanandafwiw, I saw a patch recently that had both closes-bug and implements-bp in the commit message19:48
lucasagomesdriver code, api for better filtering the capabilities19:48
lucasagomesso I'd say it should go to the spec process19:48
devanandadtantsur: hm, i dont think i saw it :(19:48
dtantsurdevananda, well, nothing interesting except for this question :)19:48
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dtantsurI also suggest triagers to clearly evaluate, whether some bug requires writing a spec19:49
dtantsurA bit complex case is bugs that are actually requests for specs :)19:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1328939 in ironic "Setting instance default_ephemeral_device should be more intelligent" [Low,Triaged]19:49
jroll(10 minute bell)19:50
NobodyCamty jroll :)19:50
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dtantsuroh, I take too much time :( Well, this is generally all for me19:50
devanandadtantsur: thanks. a good point to bug triagers19:50
devanandamoving on19:50
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devananda#topic IPA subteam19:50
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devanandajroll, russell_h: hi!19:50
jrollI'll be quick19:50
jrollI've updated our todo list:
jrollthere's some new specs linked in there19:51
jrollI've outlined the current patch chain19:51
jrolland what needs to be split from 8479519:51
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devanandajroll: fantastic19:51
jrollplease please please review our specs and the patches we're depending on :)19:51
dtantsurjroll, how are chances to get everything done in Juno?19:52
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jrolldtantsur: that's my primary goal in life right now :)19:52
jroll(that might be exaggerating a bit :P )19:52
dtantsurjroll, great! Anything I can help in addition to reviews?19:52
jrollnope! reviews are where we're most limited19:52
devanandamy rough thoughts as of right now ...19:52
dtantsurwe're very interested in auto-discovery here19:52
lucasagomesfor the instance_info stuff we are still blocked by a tempest test19:52
JayFdtantsur: as are we :)19:52
lucasagomesI see the patch as part of the IPA chain there19:52
devanandagetting more eyes on your specs will be really helpful over the next month19:53
devanandaand landing the common dependencies19:53
devanandalike instance info19:53
jrolldtantsur: we should talk more about what that actually means, but our main goal right now is for feature parity with the pxe driver19:53
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jrolldtantsur: after that lands, we'll be working on better features :) (like the things listed to be split from 84795)19:53
devanandaI think we should be able to easily achieve that refactoring and landing common code before the midcycle19:53
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jrollI fully agree19:54
dtantsurjroll, yeah, that's obvious :) I wonder if we can get a bit further during Juno and get nodes discovery19:54
devanandahuman time would be the only reason we dont land the spec by then. from what i've sen it's coming along really well (need to review this week again)19:54
devanandajroll: do you think you guys will have enough done by the midcycle that others can insatll and test locally?19:54
devanandaeg, some docs, devstack integration, etc19:55
jrolldtantsur: I hope that everything in that etherpad will be done for juno, plus decom19:55
jrolldevananda: I hope so19:55
devanandajroll: ok. i think that will have an impact on what we can do for IPA at the midcycle19:55
jrolldevananda: dwalleck_ has been working on devstack/tempest integration lately, that's a large part of that work19:55
jrolldevananda: and then docs19:55
jrollI expect it to be doable19:55
devanandaif others can play with it easily (myself included) by then, I think we'll have a good shot at landing in j319:56
dtantsurjroll, btw are you planning getting rid of docker?19:56
jrolldevananda: indeed19:56
dtantsur(was discussed some time ago, but I forgot)19:56
jrolldtantsur: we no longer run in docker, it's only a build step19:56
lucasagomesas soon as it lands, are we moving to have IPA as the default deploy mechanism?19:56
devanandajroll: ^^ glad to hear that :)19:56
jrolldtantsur: patches for alternate build systems (DIB) welcome :)19:56
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JayFdtantsur: I think that at Rackspace, our prefered way of running it will continue to be inside a container under CoreOS. I am willing to help and review patches to add DIB elements19:56
devanandalucasagomes: let's talka bout that post-meeting19:56
lucasagomesdevananda, ack19:57
jrolllucasagomes: my hope is juno or K1 :)19:57
devananda3 minute bell, moving on19:57
dtantsurjroll, JayF, I see :)19:57
romcheg3 minutes19:57
devananda#topic Oslo19:57
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lucasagomesjroll, sure19:57
devanandaGheRivero: any news here?19:57
GheRiverooslo.db finally has a alpha release! The oslo.db review has been updated but is not functional yet (openstack pypi mirror not updated yet)19:57
GheRiveroBut what it's really important to us are the alembic/opportunistic migrations tests.19:57
GheRiveroThere are a couple of reviews (99965 and 93424) to address that.19:57
GheRiveroOnce they land, there will be another oslo.db release (I hope), so we can fully start testing ironic within oslo.db (but there is no rush in that now)19:57
GheRiveroThat's all19:57
devananda#topic nova db migration19:57
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devanandaromcheg: hi!19:57
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devanandaromcheg: any news?19:58
romchegSo I have installed nova and Ironic on my lab and tested what changed in both DBs19:58
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romchegI managed to update the migration scripts and will post that tomorrow19:58
romchegSo I have two questions and will try to be quick19:59
romchegDoes this feature require a spec?19:59
devanandait's covered by my spec in nova19:59
romchegAh, great19:59
romchegIs there anyone who wants to volunteer on making the research of how to test these migrations?20:00
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romchegThat is another big topic20:00
devanandayea, will require grenade tests20:00
NobodyCambeep (time bell)20:00
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devanandasdague had volunteered at the summit to give some guidance, burt we'll need someone to work on that20:00
devananda#info need a volunteer to help with grenade testing of nova-bm -> ironic db migration code20:01
devanandathanks all! we're out of time20:01
jrollperhaps we should find a nova-baremetal user for that :P20:01
NobodyCamthank you all20:01
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jrollthanks devananda and NobodyCam :)20:01
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romchegjroll: He he :)20:01
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romchegThank you guys!20:01
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sarobAnyone here for the milk team meeting?20:03
* ametts is lurking20:04
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sarobMrJoshua ?20:04
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sarobWithout any of the milk team leads I'll postpone the team meeting20:06
sarobAmetts sorry20:06
amettsNo worries. :)20:06
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emaganahi there!20:59
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nati_ueno_iJinni chows20:59
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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mesteryLet's get started!21:01
mestery#starmeeting networking21:01
mestery#startmeeting networking21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 16 21:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:01
mestery#link Agenda21:01
mesteryJuno1 was released last week21:02
mesteryGreat work by all involved!21:02
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mesteryI have started grooming the Juno-2 milestone as well now21:03
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mesteryI also wanted to mention the upcoming mid cycle sprint for nova-network parity21:03
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mesteryAny other announcements for the team?21:03
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mestery#link markmcclain1 don't forget link to tarball:
mesteryThanks for reminding me markmcclain1 :)21:04
markmcclain1mestery: you're welcome21:05
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mestery#topic Bugs21:05
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mesteryenikanorov has listed some bugs we should be aware of21:05
mesteryI encourage people to view the agenda21:05
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mesteryIt looks like arosen1 has also linked nova bugs we should be reviewing21:06
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ihrachyshkaspeaking of locks, we in Red Hat also got another Lock wait timeout bug for floatingips a day ago, I was going to investigate it21:07
ihrachyshkalooks like some general issue (I'll report my specific failure upstream tomorrow)21:07
mesteryThanks ihrachyshka21:07
mesteryAny other bugs the team should be aware of this week?21:08
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salv-orlandoI have a suspect we already have bugs for all three reported by enikanorov. I think there is also an oustanding patch for one of the three21:08
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salv-orlandobeyond that - no other bug we should be aware of on my side.21:09
mesteryThanks salv-orlando21:09
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enikanorovsalv-orlando: hmm, i've looked through existing bugs, they were alittle bit different21:09
enikanorov(update operation vs create, or such differences)21:09
enikanorovbut i may be wrong21:09
salv-orlandoI remember exactly those three instances21:09
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salv-orlandolet’s take that offline21:10
enikanorovsure. also feel free to mark as duplicate21:10
salv-orlandoI think you want to sleep after the meeting as it’s 1AM foryou I guess21:10
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enikanorovhonestly i want to sleep right now :)21:10
mestery#topic Team Discussion Items21:10
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mesteryIs prad here?21:10
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mesteryprad wanted to discuss a patch focused an helping ceilometer21:11
mesteryBut if he's not here we will move on21:11
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mestery#topic Nova Parity21:12
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markmcclain1so obondarev has been busy21:13
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markmcclain1and posted a WIP for the nova extension21:13
mesteryI encourage neutron devs to review that21:14
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markmcclain1the WIP is early, so he'll be adding more features to it21:14
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mesteryAny other updates here markmcclain1?21:15
markmcclain1thats all for this week21:15
mestery#topic Docs21:15
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mesteryemagana: hi!21:15
emaganamestery: hi there!21:16
emaganano updates from the docs side21:16
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mesteryGood to hear things moving smoothly there emagana. :)21:16
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emaganathe same recommendation that last week, we need to be sure that we have either bugs or bps filed against neutron21:16
emaganamestery: I would like to see all the new staff with "DocImpact" added on the commit message21:17
mesteryGood reminder emagana.21:17
emaganabesides that, all major bugs are assigned21:17
mesteryYes, people should be cognizant of that.21:18
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amotoki_emagana: do what kind of changes need DocImpact flag?21:18
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emaganaamotoki_: anything that changes the way we use/deploy/configure neutron staff21:18
emaganaamotoki_: and new features like DVR for instance21:19
amotoki_in my understanding the configuration guide is built automatically, so i don't think DocImpact is necessary for patches which only affects the configuration guide.21:19
emaganaamotoki_: It would not affect the tag anyway, I would prefer to tag as invalid a bug that missing a change21:20
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amotoki_emagana: sounds good. we need to take care of DocImpact flag more.21:21
emaganamestery: that's all21:21
mesteryThanks emagana21:21
yamamotois this uptodate?
mesteryemagan: ^^^21:21
mesteryemagana: ^^^21:22
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emaganayamamoto: not 100% sure21:22
markmcclain1yamahata: last edit was the 11th, so I'm guessing yes21:22
emaganalet me bring that with the docs team21:22
markmcclain1yamamoto: ^^^21:22
mestery#topic Tempest21:23
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mesterymlavalle: hi!21:23
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mlavallewe added the 27th api test to the tempest repo this week, out of the 28 that we targeted in January21:23
mlavallethe one remaining to merge is actually mine….. I am having somo tough times with Jenkins, but we will get there21:24
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mlavalleI've been wrting a rst file that will be added to the tempest repo, with the tutorial to develop scenario tests for Neutron21:25
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mesterythat will be very helpful mlavalle!21:25
mlavalleit will become part of the tempest docs21:25
mlavalleit's taking a little longer than expected because I am targeting new developers, so I walk them through the classes and all the details21:26
mlavalleI have been talking to the LBaaS guys at Rackspace to make sure we have a new api document to start implementing tests21:27
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mlavalleand finally I had a nice conversation with sc68cal a while ago. he is developing some tests for ipv4 and ipv6 on proviuder networks21:27
mesteryAwesome! I expect we can talk more on that in person this week too.21:27
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mlavallethat's all I have21:28
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mlavallemestery: I'll see you tomorrow here21:28
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mestery#topic Advanced Services21:29
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: hi!21:29
SumitNaiksatammestery: hi21:29
SumitNaiksatamwe are still waiting of approval of blueprint specs21:29
SumitNaiksatamthe most notable among them is enikanorov’s flavors bp21:29
mesteryI was looking at that one earlier today21:30
SumitNaiksatammestery: great, thanks21:30
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SumitNaiksatamour hope is that we have can move forward on this by the end of this week21:30
mesteryI encourage people to review the flavor BP ^^^21:30
SumitNaiksatami propose that we have a decisive conversation on this during this week’s adv services’ IRC on wednesday21:31
SumitNaiksatamat least a couple of other bp specs (serivice insertion and traffic steering) are also pretty ripe21:31
mesterySounds good I will do my best to make that meeting21:32
SumitNaiksatamfyi  - #link
SumitNaiksatammestery: nice, i know you will be in the LBaas sprint as well21:32
mesteryYes :)21:32
SumitNaiksatamthats it for this, unless there are questions for the adv services’ team21:32
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mestery#topic IPV621:33
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SumitNaiksatammestery: i think cue for you to proceed :-)21:33
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mesterysc68cal: hi!21:33
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mestery#topic ML221:35
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mesteryrkukura: Jow goes NP prioritization?21:35
rkukuranot much to report yet21:35
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rkukurawe’re still working on prioritizing BPs and reviewing specs21:35
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Sukhdevcheck out
sc68calsorry, was afk for a moment and missed my queue21:36
mesterysc68cal: well come cback to you21:36
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mesteryrkukura: Thanks for prioritizing those ML2 BPs21:36
mesteryIt helps21:36
rkukuraright, we are using this wiki to track reviews within the subteam prior to recruiting core reviewers21:37
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mesteryCode and spec reviews?21:37
rkukurathat’s all I have - Sukhdev, anything else?21:37
Sukhdevrkukura: no, we are good21:37
rkukuramestery: I think that is the plan21:38
mesteryThanks ML2 folks!21:38
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mestery#topic IPv621:38
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mesterysc68cal: hi!21:38
sc68calSo there's a couple big items on the agenda that I listed today21:39
sc68calwe had a meeting today with mestery and markmcclain1 regarding the API, as well as BPs targeted for j-221:39
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mesteryYes that was a helpful meeting21:39
sc68calI still have some concerns about the radvd and dnsmasq stuff, but it is primarily around getting somthing done in the juno timeframe21:40
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sc68calI think at this point I'll let people digest what I've put on the wiki page21:40
mesteryThat may warrant another meeting :)21:40
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sc68calhopefully we can get a spec created quikcly for the radvd change21:41
mesteryThanks sc68cal!21:41
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mestery#topic Group Policy21:42
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: hi again!21:42
SumitNaiksatammestery: indeed, hi again21:42
SumitNaiksatamwe are getting some good coverage with the intial set of patches21:42
mesteryI see new patches pushed which is great!21:42
SumitNaiksatami meant review coverage21:42
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SumitNaiksatammore patches are on the way21:43
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you want to chime in as well?21:43
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rkukuraThe 2nd series of GP patches maps the initial set of GP resources to neutron resources21:43
rkukuraThese should be pushed for review over the next few days21:44
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mesteryThanks rkukura21:44
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mesteryAnything else on GBP for the team?21:45
SumitNaiksatammestery: we also good discussions on UT and testing21:45
mesteryVery good !21:46
SumitNaiksatammestery: i believe we have consensus on moving forward based on everyone’s input21:46
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SumitNaiksatamfy- please join weekly meetings - #link
SumitNaiksatammestery: that shuold be it for this week, thanks for giving us the time here21:47
yamamotoGBP == GP ?21:47
mesteryThanks SumitNaiksatam and team!21:47
SumitNaiksatamyamahata: yes21:47
SumitNaiksatamyamamoto: yes21:47
yamamotothank you21:48
mestery#topic FWaaS21:48
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: we meet again :)21:48
SumitNaiksatammestery: ha :-)21:48
salv-orlandoGBP=Great British Pound21:48
SumitNaiksatamwe have a high priority bug whose review is curently blocked: #link
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SumitNaiksatamwe also have a blueprint spec in review for “service objects”: #link
SumitNaiksatamthe expectation is that service objects will be applicable beyond just FWaaS21:49
SumitNaiksatamplease review if you get a chance21:50
mesteryYes I encourage folks to review that21:50
SumitNaiksatamand we would like to make progress with the high priority bug noted about21:50
SumitNaiksatamthats it from the FWaaS team21:50
markmcclain1SumitNaiksatam: I'll take another look at the bug21:50
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain1: thanks much!21:50
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain1: i also need to revisit it :-)21:51
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mestery#topic Open Discussion21:51
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mesteryanteaya: here?21:51
mesteryYour item is up now.21:51
anteayawhat did I have21:52
mesteryDriverLog and unreliable info21:52
anteayaoh yeah21:52
anteayadriverlog is unrelable21:52
mesteryDid we cover that earlier today at 3rd party meeting?21:52
anteayadon't use it21:52
anteayaand last week too I thought21:52
mesteryI encourage folks to read the logs21:52
anteayaread the logs21:52
mesteryNo worries21:52
mesteryAny other items from folks?21:53
amotoki_does anyone know the status of multi-node testing/devstack?21:53
mesteryIn the gate?21:53
anteayawell it was discussed last release21:53
mesteryIt's not there yet21:53
anteayasome people were working on it with sdague21:53
anteayalately crickets as far as I know21:53
amotoki_i think we need to move forward it to support DVR or some other stuff.21:54
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anteayaamotoki_: infra is good with that21:54
mesteryAgreed amotoki_21:54
anteayaamotoki_: put an item on tomorrow's infra agenda21:54
mesteryI will sync with carl_baldwin when he's back21:54
mesteryAnd figure that out with infra as well21:54
anteayaI will dig through logs to see what was discussed last release21:54
mesteryIf there is nothing else well close early today.21:55
mesteryThanks everyone!21:55
marunI think we need multi-node nova network testing21:55
ihrachyshkaehm... I also encourage people to check remaining oslo-messaging patches at:,n,z Some of those patches are already in the tree or in gate now, but still lots of them (and the most important) waiting in the queue for review. So please criticise! :)21:55
marunand then we can pass those tests with dvr21:55
marunwe shouldn't focus testing only dvr21:55
anteayamarun: infra wants multi-node for any testing21:56
mesteryMulti ode21:56
anteayanot just dvr of flavour of the month21:56
marunanteaya: testing -> we need tests to actually take advantage of that21:56
anteayamarun: agreed21:56
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marunanteaya: violent agreement ;)21:56
anteayaI'm all done with violence21:57
anteayaweak is the best I can muster today21:57
* mestery loves it when there is agreement21:57
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anteayamaybe tomorrow21:57
mesteryOk thanks folks, see you all in channel and next week!21:57
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