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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 30 16:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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rakhmerovhi all16:01
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rakhmerovwho has joined us? :)16:02
rakhmerovraise your hands16:02
rakhmerovhi Kirill16:03
rakhmerovbtw, while we're waiting for others let me show you something16:03
rakhmerovyou may be familiar with this16:03
rakhmerovKirill, can you take a look pls at
rakhmerovNastya gets it when she is trying to run Mistral API16:04
rakhmerovI believe something is wrong with keystone16:04
rakhmerovisn't it that problem with openssl?16:04
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xazelnope, it's not. I haven't seen anything like that before.16:05
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rakhmerovhm, ok16:05
akuznetsovaprobable it is my local problems and i do something wrong16:05
akuznetsovai will try again tomorrow in the new venv16:06
rakhmerovakuznetsova, ok, let's go through the process of installation tomorrow together step by step16:06
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rakhmerovyou can share your screen and we'll try to figure the problem out16:06
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rakhmerovok, not sure how many people are going to be here today, looks like there are just three of us for now16:07
rakhmerovso let's make it quick16:07
rakhmerovKolya is on enforced vacation till July 26th, Timur is busy16:07
rakhmerovDmitri and Winson seem to be busy as well16:07
rakhmerov#topic Previous Action Items16:08
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rakhmerovno previous action items!16:08
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rakhmerov#topic Current status (quickly by team members)16:08
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rakhmerovlet's start with Kirill16:08
rakhmerovxazel, what are you up to?16:09
xazelspent the week trying to merge stackstorm\mistral-demo into stackforge/mistral-extra (
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rakhmerovcurrent status? Roadblocks?16:09
rakhmerovwhat's left?16:09
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xazelbasically, we need to rewrite some examples to reflect latest changes in DSL and then figure out how to make it as friendly to user as possible16:11
rakhmerovwill you have some time tomorrow? We could try to work on this together and fix what's needed16:11
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xazelI think so. Skype me when you have time.16:12
rakhmerovakuznetsova, what's your status?16:12
akuznetsovahm..not very optimistic, cause i am on the way to install the mistral16:13
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, skype Kirill on Tue and work with him on integrating mistral-demo examples into mistral-extra16:13
rakhmerovakuznetsova, don't worry, that's totally fine16:13
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, get in touch with Nastya and figure out the problem with Mistral installation16:14
akuznetsovaplans : install mistral and update requirements and check that all is ok, then to start see into python-mistral client16:14
rakhmerovafaik, you've done a good job on preparing a proposal for testing infrastructure16:14
akuznetsovathanks, also i prepared some blueprints16:15
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rakhmerovok, that's good, I still didn't look at them, will do tomorrow (or may be today later while watching World Cup :) )16:15
rakhmerovMy status: last Tue released Mistral version 0.0.4 and since then I have been researching a lot of Workflow related stuff (Petri nets, WFMSs, BPM/BPMN/BPEL, Ansible, yawl, workflow patterns)16:16
rakhmerovI have read a lot of interesting things16:16
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tnurlygayanovHi there!16:17
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rakhmerovthat made me sure we haven't done anything really stupid so far16:17
rakhmerovhey Timur!16:17
rakhmerovglad you made it to join us16:17
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rakhmerovso my plan is to spend 2-3 days more on that because I think it's really useful to get on a distance from what we're doing and rethink our ideas16:18
rakhmerovtnurlygayanov, do you have any updates?16:18
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tnurlygayanovrakhmerov, sorry, no updates for the last week, now I'm woring with many projects in parallel16:19
rakhmerovunderstandable, no problem16:19
rakhmerovTimur, the only thing I'd ask you to help with (you and/or Sergey) is try to install Mistral on Nastya's machine16:20
rakhmerovshe keeps getting a problem16:20
tnurlygayanovI know that we have some internal OpenStack lab for manual testing, rakhmerov, are you got it?16:20
rakhmerovI'll try to look at it myself tomorrow morning but just in case if we can't do it it would be nice if you could help her16:21
tnurlygayanovok, we will check. Do you have ideas what the root of these problems?16:21
rakhmerovTimur, no I am not aware of the dedicated OpenStack lab for Mistral16:21
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rakhmerovI think there's something wrong with keystone, may be even reinstallation of openssl is required16:22
rakhmerovit's just a theory though16:22
rakhmerovso, what is the status on Mistral lab?16:22
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rakhmerovok, Timur, let's discuss Mistral Lab separately16:24
rakhmerovI see that the ticket in Jira is closed16:24
rakhmerovbut not sure why it's rejected :)16:24
rakhmerov#topic Further plans16:25
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rakhmerovour further plans is to make a serious refactoring and add the functionality needed for version 0.116:25
rakhmerovI'm planning to finish needed research by the end of the week and start coding it16:26
rakhmerovI wish Dmitri was here to discuss this topic more, maybe next time16:26
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:26
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rakhmerovguys, do you have anything else for today to discuss?16:27
akuznetsovanothing from my side16:27
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rakhmerovfor this week I'd like to see those bugs fixed
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rakhmerovI'll ping Dmitri and ask him about this16:29
rakhmerovok, let's finish then16:29
rakhmerovthanks everyone for joining in16:29
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 30 17:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'17:00
sarobRoll call17:00
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annegent_I can only stay for a few, sorry17:01
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fthamuragreet all :)17:01
* dbite lets cover anne's part first then17:01
sarobAnnegent_ let's start with docs-specs then17:01
sarob#topic docs-specs repo17:02
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annegent_Looks like I need to get the ACLs set, working on that this morning (not sure how yet)17:02
matjazpwhat's with ACLs? new group docs-specs-core?17:02
annegent_Ah I'm behind, Andreas is on it17:02
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annegent_matjazp: yeah, it seems like glance, nova, etc. are setting up separate spec review core teams17:03
sarobAnnegent_ what's the process plan for getting specs approved?17:04
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sarobAnnegent_ and how narrow specs should be?17:04
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sarobannegent_ should I start that discussion on the ML?17:05
annegent_sarob: re: approval. I'd like two +2s17:05
matjazpsarob: or maybe comments on that review?17:05
annegent_sarob: but will approve as PTL as oslo and others are doing by sending a note to the mailing list saying "-1 now or forever hold your peace"17:05
sarobBoth sounds right to me17:05
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sarobAnnegent_ not sure I understand?17:06
annegent_sarob: re: scope of spec. I'd like to keep the same as we have now. No blueprint needed for general content changes, but need a blueprint for sweeping changes across multiple books or for tooling changes.17:06
annegent_sarob: matjazp: yes comments on that review will certainly hold back approval17:06
dbiteannegent_: in that case, flat repo structure should do the trick17:07
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sarobDbite agreed there17:07
rluethiannegent_: tooling changes == different tools, right? not changes regarding tools. that would get tired fast.17:07
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annegent_rluethi: right, different tools, or new tools17:08
annegent_sarob: understand the review? Thinking of the oslo thread here:
matjazpso BPs are for big changes only? As now, they were used (in Training guides) for more specific, smaller changes17:08
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matjazplike add a chapter17:08
annegent_matjazp: to me, in the docs program, we have used bps for large changes. Smaller changes are bugs and the discussion is in the bug comments.17:09
sarobannegent_ I get that it's the -1 ptl bit I don't get17:09
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annegent_sarob: in oslo's case, the ptl sent out a note that said, "we've talked about this extensively, I'll go ahead and approve unless someone says not to by a particular date"17:10
sarobAnnegent_ ah, right.17:10
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matjazpnew chapter in guides=bug or BP?17:11
annegent_sarob: we can certainly talk more about scope of blueprints and when they are required and when they are not on the ML17:11
sarobOkay, so team, are we in agreement to start using the docs-specs repo for our specs?17:11
sarobannegent_ roger that17:11
dbitematjazp: new chapter == bug/ new book == BP17:11
matjazp+1 for specs17:11
annegent_matjazp: same for you, ask that question on the ML. I'm inclined towards fewer BPs but that's me17:11
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annegent_dbite: that's how I'll lean17:12
annegent_towards lean. haha17:12
sarobId like to debate through specs reviews new material or books like the Dev guide17:12
rluethisarob: fine17:12
sarobCan a get a few more votes?17:13
sarobDocs-specs yes or no17:13
annegent_sarob: new material can be a bp, such as the ceilometer admin info17:13
fthamuraquestion: how will complete and coverehensive the openstack manual will be?17:13
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sarobAnnegent_ got it17:13
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annegent_fthamura: we try to keep the docs scope tight due to limited resources and needing to prioritize.17:14
sarobDbite matjazp17:14
matjazpsarob: I allready voted +117:14
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sarobOkay thx17:14
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rluethisarob: whatever facilitates dicussion is good. I am somewhat concerned with the bureaucracy.17:14
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* dbite should we think of using #vote?17:15
annegent_rluethi: I know, it's a balancing act.17:15
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dbiterluethi: talking about todays spec merge!17:15
dbitenice point17:15
annegent_sorry, have to go. I'll catch up in the notes.17:15
sarobDbite next time sure17:15
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sarobAnnegent_ thx17:15
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sarob#topic reviews17:16
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sarobHas everyone reviewed at least once last week?17:16
* dbite more than once17:16
rluethime too.17:16
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sarobAnyone else?17:17
dbiteI am treating the reviews as servers and I am on call :)17:17
sarobMe too17:17
sarobOkay well that's a good start17:17
dbiteI think we have about 12-20 hours before a patch is reviewed at present17:18
dbitesarob: I agree17:18
matjazphmmm... we had +2 for accepted.. should we try to use +1's? And save +2s for "emergency"?17:18
sarobConfig gerrit/review to watch openstack/training-guides17:18
dbitematjazp: yes, that is the practise17:18
dbitecritical stuff is getting instant +2, +1 (workflow)17:18
rluethieasy patches get reviewed a lot faster than 12-20 hours.17:18
sarobMatjazp that's a good practice. I will work on that17:19
dbiteother stuff, two reviewers are doing the same thing after +1 from jenkins and +1 from other reviewer17:19
matjazpthere were quite a few +2.. maybe we should slow down and use +1s17:19
dbiterluethi: I meant initial response time17:19
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rluethidbite: it's often a couple of hours tops.17:19
sarobLet's work on getting multiple reviews same day17:20
dbiteyep, worst case (weekends) its not more than a few hours17:20
sarobAt least17:20
dbiteyep, we have good geo-coverage as of now17:20
rluethisplit patches into pieces that are easy to digest, and it won't be a problem.17:20
dbitetill I move to GMT+117:20
sarob#action team reviews same days17:20
matjazpdbite:  oh? gmt+1? in my neighbourhood? :)17:20
dbitematjazp: yep :)17:21
sarob#action core reviewers work on +1 reviews, +2 sparingly17:21
rluethiGMT+1 covers quite an area.17:21
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dbitemove on?17:22
sarobShillasaebi any notes from your team?17:22
sarob#topic stable team update17:22
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Guest99011sarob: this is Megan, we are working on breaking down the training guides17:23
dbiteGuest99011: hi megan17:23
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sarobGuest99011 gots an etherpad for work so far?17:24
ShillaSaebi_sorry - no notes as of now @sarob17:24
dbitecan we do the initial planning here ?
Guest99011I will add information there - we have been working internally, and need to review the email sent this morning17:24
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dbiteI am moving the XML files as per this BP
dbitebefore I start with install guides work17:25
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sarobDbite hmm, I'm okay with this. We will end up with a common dir too?17:26
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dbitesarob: I cannot say as of now, may be in future17:26
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sarobDbite okay. As long as the team can follow the change17:27
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dbiteI think this change is welcome, it should make our lives very simple for editing XML17:27
sarobDbite what about the naming change we discussed?17:28
* dbite memory loss17:28
dbitecan you tell me a bit more on that?17:28
sarobDbite normally these two topics would be specs17:28
sarobDbite mentioned desire to rename files17:29
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dbiteyes, its under the same spec17:29
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sarobDbite ah. Okay. So next time we do something this big, let's create a spec/bp17:30
sarobDbite for debate transparency17:30
dbitemostly, we just modify this spec17:30
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sarobOkay. Anything else?17:30
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dbitebouncerstation is setup17:30
dbiteinfact I am connected to ZNC as of now17:30
* dguitarbite :| I feel I am ditched ;)17:31
dbite*bouncerstation setup is done17:31
dbiteI will put the docs up after the meeting17:31
dbiteso others can use it too17:31
rluethidbite: great. thanks.17:32
sarobDbite cool, so you are unable to use your normal handle through znc live?17:32
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* dbite welcome17:32
dbitesarob: I can use them both17:32
dbiteas you saw17:32
dguitarbiteI can use my normal login via. client17:32
sarobDbite okay got it17:32
dbiteit works fine, my ID's are aliases and auth. to freenode via. SSL and password17:32
sarobDbite thanks. I will review and add mobile config if any17:33
dbiteand I can use bouncerstation login via. the same client to be more verbose17:33
dbitesarob: sure17:33
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sarobDbite if like to target Juno-m2 for stable team to have the assoc and oper guides up to icehouse17:34
sarobDbite is that possible?17:34
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dbitewhen is Juno-m2?17:34
dbiteit should be possible17:35
sarob#action stable team icehouse target juno-m217:35
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sarob#action core-reviewers use irc bouncer for their irc handle17:36
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dbite#action setup bouncerstation steps on wiki17:36
sarob#core reviewers review at least once per day17:36
sarob#topic Dev team17:37
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sarobSo we have stalled with the specs thing in the middle17:37
dbitesarob: I think officiating it via. manuals was a bit time consuming17:38
sarobI will get the bp discussion restarted on the ML on prereq, labs17:38
matjazpI was holding my BPs back (spec repo changing)... but Anne said that new chapters are bugs, right? We kinda used BPs for way smaller tasks for now... should we discuss this (big or "small" BPs)on ML? To be in sync with Docs team... (they use BPs for bigger changes)17:39
sarobMatjazp I think we should do what the team feels right17:39
matjazpI kinda like smaller BPs.. you guys?17:40
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sarobMatjazp I think annegent_ can live with us being a bit more active with bps17:40
sarobMatjazp I agree17:40
sarobMatjazp bp equal storyboard cards for me17:41
sarobMatjazp and that maps closer to the storyboard project which we prob will be using by fall17:41
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dbitematjazp: for your sub-team, its your decision17:42
sarobDbite I like that17:42
dbiteI still feel that specs provide better documentation for blueprints.17:42
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matjazpsarob: will Storyboard change specs/BP way of working?17:42
sarobDbite allows for debate and discussion17:43
dbitebut it adds lot of bureaucracy17:43
sarobDbite true so let's move them reviews17:43
sarobMatjazp storyboard will likely replace launchpad bp17:44
sarobMatjazp but still early days so specs for now17:44
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sarob#action each subteam will discuss what level of work equals spec/bp17:45
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sarobMoving on17:45
sarob#topic infra team update17:45
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sarobIrc bouncer was good17:46
sarobAny new tests?17:46
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sarobWe need to work on language support17:47
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sarobSome time for that17:47
rluethisarob: like what openstack-manuals has?17:47
fthamurahi all, i posted also this in ML-doc, regarding infra, can you share what is your spec there, to run test? because we are starting develop on it, is 5 intel NUC can become minimum spec for infra?17:47
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dbitenot yet17:48
rluethisarob: I doesn't look difficult, but the devil's probably hiding in the details.17:48
dbitewe need to get the install guides up17:48
rluethisarob: and testing locally is tricky.17:48
sarob#action infra think on language support by Juno-m317:49
sarobSound okay?17:49
dbitefthamura: we need to decide the specs, I would suggest not yet17:49
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rluethisarob: should be doable.17:49
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sarobFthamura we have the trainer scripts set for 4 node build. What reason would be to change?17:50
dbiterluethi: its you need to take the lead for multi language support, I have no idea in that area17:50
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fthamurasarob: not change, i will follow your spec, as first program.. and need to create infra with several variance spec. interest with Intel NUC, because low energy17:51
rluethidbite:  i18n and l10n are not exactly my areas of expertise, either :)17:51
sarobFthamura I think you are confusing the trainer scripts with production like cluster17:52
sarobFthamura let's continue on ML17:53
fthamurasarob: i will email in ML, so wont distrub this meeting17:53
sarobInfra any thing else?17:53
dbiterluethi: I mean my brains point to /dev/null || /dev/rand in this17:53
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sarob#topic testing team update17:54
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matjazpsarob: we talked about PPTs some time back... do we still have a set of "core" PPTs in our plans? For Associate guide first...17:54
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sarobMatjazp we could start with landslide stuff stef pushed17:55
dbiteI would like to use rst and landslide as stefano does, the ppts are really attractive, any comments?17:55
dbitesarob: +117:55
matjazpas soon as spec-repo is finished, I will create specs for BPs for Associate guide (missing quiz chapters)17:55
sarobMatjazp Good good17:56
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fthamurasarob: done, emailed in ML17:56
matjazpsarob: where is Stefs stuff? I can take a look...17:56
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sarobAnything else?17:57
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sarob#action matjazp review
sarob#action testing team specs for missing assoc quizzes17:58
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dbiteone question17:58
sarob#topic any other business17:58
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sarobDbite shoot17:58
dbitetesting team will put their content in the same folder or should I create one for them?17:59
sarob1 min warning17:59
dbitelike associate-guides/testing17:59
dbiteor just simple17:59
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matjazpsame folder I guess?17:59
sarobHmm, I would think same folder too17:59
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matjazpwhy separate folder?18:00
dbitejust asking, since I did not know about it18:00
dbiteI guess I will keep it in same folder18:00
sarobThat's it pumpkin time. ML or channel for rest18:00
dbitesure I'm done18:00
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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 30 18:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'18:01
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krtaylor#chair anteaya18:01
openstackCurrent chairs: anteaya krtaylor18:01
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krtaylorHi everyone18:02
krtaylorWho is here for third-party?18:02
fawadkhaliqhello everyone18:02
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krtaylorso let's get started then18:03
krtaylorhere is the agenda:18:03
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* mestery pings lukego as well.18:03
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mesterylukego: Nice timing. ;_P18:03
krtaylorhi all18:04
krtaylor#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:04
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krtaylor#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:04
krtaylor#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:04
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krtaylorilyashakhat__, are you here?18:05
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ilyashakhat__krtaylor: yes18:05
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anteayahe doen'st have an item from last week18:05
anteayathat is from the prior weeks agenda18:05
anteayathe open items from last week are the two etherpads18:05
anteayaone to discuss log suggestions18:06
anteayaone to discuss length of time to report test results18:06
krtaylorah, yes, it helps to refresh the page18:06
anteayait does18:06
SlickNik(sorry a tad late) o/18:06
anteayaglad your here SlickNik18:07
luqasme too, hi18:07
krtaylor#topic etherpad log suggestions18:07
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krtaylorhere is the etherpad18:07
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krtayloranteaya, this was the right one?18:08
anteayayou're doing great18:08
anteayaso I'll jump in here18:08
anteayaso right now we have some suggestions for logging18:08
lyxusCan we comment on it ? or you prefer the etherpad ?18:09
krtaylorso, this was the discussion around the doc patch for logs18:09
anteayalyxus: either18:09
anteayakrtaylor: was it?18:09
krtaylorand where they should be kept?18:09
krtaylorthat was a question :)18:09
anteayaI felt this was motivated by it18:09
anteayaI thought this was our suggestions for others18:09
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anteayanot requirements, but suggestions to help people, if they want18:10
lyxusI think it's a good thing to specify that the logs should be freely availble and not altered in anyways (no dropbox or box, etc..)18:10
anteayaso given the current suggestions, I'm wondering if anyone is willing to put together a patch to offer to third_party.rst18:10
lyxusbut the apache etc... should be a suggestions, some people would use nginx, etc...18:10
anteayalyxus: can you expand what you mean by not alterned18:10
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anteayahow does dropbox alter them?18:11
lyxus* altered18:11
anteayayeah altered18:11
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lyxusYou want an example ?18:12
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lyxusI want to see what is run, i have to download the file and search in it18:12
anteayayou have me at download18:12
anteayafiles must be browsable18:13
anteayathat is in a patch for requirements18:13
lyxusanother vendor
anteayawe haven't gotten there yet in the agenda18:13
krtayloranteaya, do we need a new patch? or add to your existing one?18:13
anteayalet's have a new one18:13
anteayamine is a requirement18:13
anteayathese are suggestions for how to meet the reuqirement18:13
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krtayloranteaya, understood, a how-to type discussion, gotcha18:14
anteayalyxus: and thanks for the link on the midokura logs, I will send an email after the meeting18:14
anteayakrtaylor: right18:14
krtaylorok, since you are out, I'll take that one18:14
anteayakrtaylor: awesome thanks18:14
lyxusanteaya, there are not the only one. It's just an example18:15
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anteayalyxus: any other examples you find where folks are expecting openstack devs to download logs please bring them to the attention of me, krtaylor or anyone in infra18:15
anteayaso we can address this and get browsable logs for devs18:15
lyxusanteaya, ok will do18:16
anteayashall we move to the next item, krtaylor?18:16
krtaylor#action krtaylor to document how-to for hosting requirements in third_party.rst18:16
luqaswhatis wrong with midokura logs?18:16
krtayloranteaya, typing fast as I can :)18:16
anteayaluqas: in firefox you are forced to download them18:16
anteayakrtaylor: you are doing great18:16
krtaylor#topic time to report test results18:16
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luqasoh, I see18:16
luqasI didn't know18:17
anteayaluqas: hence the need for this meeting :D18:17
luqaswhat do I need to be browsable in firefox?18:17
krtaylorok, new etherpad for time limits discussion, this is a general requirement18:17
luqasanteaya: yep :)18:17
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anteayathis etherpad was to be sweston's email to the ml about how long it takes for tests to report18:17
anteayasweston is on a plane right now18:18
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lyxusI have put a comment for that too on the etherpad :)18:18
anteayathis is an important point we should discuss, can anyone take this and put together an email for the ml18:18
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krtaylorwell we can roll that into a patch discussion for third_party.rst18:18
anteayawe need to get some consensus around length of time to wait for results18:18
krtaylorbut it should be discussed on ml18:18
anteayayes let's hash it out on the ml first18:19
krtaylorwe may need by-project times too18:19
anteayatoo hard18:19
anteayaif a ci has mulitple projects it is tracking18:19
krtaylorbecause one may need faster results than another18:19
anteayaand how to we enforce?18:19
krtaylorthats the question18:19
anteayasame as log retention = 1 month18:19
krtaylorelse, slow = missed18:19
kevinbentonanteaya: i think 12 hours is fair (e.g. we only have 3 nodes that often get backed up during crunch times)18:19
anteayawe should aim to find one timeframe18:19
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anteayakevinbenton: I look forward to hearing responses to that on the ml18:20
lyxuskevinbenton, +118:20
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krtaylorprevious discussions have been 4 hours18:20
anteayakevinbenton: would you be willing to start the ml thread?18:20
krtaylorin nova at least18:20
fawadkhaliqkevinbenton: +118:20
anteayawe need both ci admins and devs to weigh in18:20
anteayacan someone start this discussion on the ml?18:20
kevinbentonanteaya: sure. what tag should i put in the subject? just  [openstack-dev]?18:21
anteayaif you post to the -dev ml don't use that tag18:21
anteayait is the default18:21
anteayause [3rd party]18:21
krtaylorkevinbenton, thanks, I'll jump in on that one too18:21
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anteayathen the post will have both tags18:21
kevinbentonanteaya: ok18:21
krtayloranteaya, if you dont mind, I'd rather keep it consisstent with the meeting18:22
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anteaya#action kevinbenton to start ml discussion on -dev regard time to post test results18:22
anteayakrtaylor: good point18:22
krtaylorthat is one of my peeves, but it is a nit18:22
anteayacan you use tag [third-party] kevinbenton?18:22
anteayait is a good nit18:22
kevinbentonanteaya: sure18:22
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krtaylorok that was the discussion for last weeks items, lets move on18:23
krtaylor#topic Announcements18:23
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anteayaI have nothing here18:24
krtayloranyone have any ?18:24
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krtaylorI'll take that as a no18:24
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krtaylor#topic OpenStack Program Items18:24
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krtaylorSo, there are the existing patches for third_party.rst18:25
anteayaplease do review them18:25
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anteayaand please use the topic third-party for your patches18:25
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anteayaso we can all track them easily18:25
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anteayaoh there are 518:26
anteayais probably easier18:26
krtayloryes, good point18:27
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krtaylorany discussion on these for today?18:27
anteayalet's move on, we can discuss in review18:27
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anteayaI'd rather get to new business18:27
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krtayloryep. next18:28
krtaylor#topic Deadlines & Deprecations18:28
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krtayloranything to communicate here?18:28
krtaylorany upcoming deadlines?18:29
anteayaanyone from cinder here?18:29
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anteayaI was talking to someone who felt there was no third party requirement from cinder18:29
asselinhi, i'm from cinder18:29
anteayaand I believe there is18:29
krtaylorhi asselin18:29
anteayaasselin: hi there18:29
anteayaglad you are here18:30
anteayawas hoping a cinder core was here18:30
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krtaylorwell, there is a requirement, the problem is what and when :)18:30
anteayaasselin: what do you understand about third party deadlines for cinder18:30
anteayakrtaylor: true18:30
asselinwe're supposed to have it setup by J218:30
anteayaokay great18:30
asselinfor all icehouse drivers18:30
asselini.e. new drivers are optional18:31
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anteayaI will need to follow up with jgriffith and ensure I understand what that means18:31
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anteayabecause I don't right now18:31
anteayabut thanks for sharing your understanding asselin18:31
krtayloryes, and what will be tested18:31
anteayamestery: what is current for neutron?18:31
asselinthat means is that jgriffith did not want to add additional load to new vendors submitting drivers in Juno.18:32
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mesteryanteaya: The requirement here is that all in-tree drivers need to have functioning CI up and running 2 weeks prior to Juno-2.18:32
* mestery can dig the email up he sent to the list a month ago.18:32
anteayamestery: and how far away is 2 weeks prior to juno18:32
asselinso he's giving them more time to setup 3rd party ci18:32
anteayaand think that is next week18:32
mesteryanteaya: July 10 I think.18:32
mesteryanteaya: Correct.18:33
anteayaasselin: okay, would be good to get the timeframes so we can communicate them18:33
anteayamestery: okay and what systems need to show something different than they are doing today by July 10th?18:33
asselinmestery, I didn't know it was 2 weeks before J2. we should have jgriffith clarify18:33
anteayaasselin: mestery is neutron18:33
anteayaasselin: we haev switched programs18:33
mesteryasselin: Yes, we're on neutron now. :)18:34
asselinanteaya, ok, great, so cinder's still J2 :)18:34
mesteryanteaya: I am just going back through the emails and looking at data now, I should reply to my thread with the timelines post this meeting.18:34
anteayaasselin: I'm not setting policy for cinder, I'm asking what cinder's policy is so I know18:34
krtaylorI can ping jungleboyj too18:34
anteayamestery: yes please18:34
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mesteryanteaya: Will do.18:35
anteayamestery: if they only have a week to demonstrate compliance, they should know it18:35
anteayamestery: thanks18:35
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asselinI can look it up in the cinder meeting minutes18:35
mesteryanteaya: Yes, good point. :)18:35
anteayaasselin: let's try for clarity for next week18:35
anteayaanyone here from nova?18:35
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krtaylor#action communicate cinder and neutron timeline18:35
anteayathanks krtaylor18:35
krtaylorI have not heard anything new for nova, there was some discussion about raising the bar at summit18:35
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mesteryanteaya: Actually, per my original email, I just indicated Juno-2, not 2 weeks prior, so I guess people have 3 weeks left :)18:35
mesteryanteaya: I need to stick to what I emailed out.18:36
anteayalet's check in with nova and see what current expectations are, krtaylor18:36
mesteryanteaya: If people do not comply, we will remove drivers in Juno-3.18:36
krtaylorbut I have not heard anything else about it18:36
anteayamestery: yes, don't change the rules during the game18:36
mesteryanteaya: ++18:36
anteayamestery: let's still give those folks not in compliance that information18:36
anteayamestery: so they know their status18:36
mesteryanteaya: Yes, I will reply to the thread and indicate timeframes, etc.18:36
krtayloranteaya, I'll make sure we have current state for next week18:37
anteayamestery: great, thank you18:37
mesteryanteaya: np18:37
anteayakrtaylor: awesome thanks18:37
anteayaI've been lax in this topic and that is my fault18:37
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asselinanteaya, 16:24:41 <jgriffith> navneet1: J2 was our goal.
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anteayawe need to be more assertive here, and get information accurate and spread around18:37
anteayaasselin: thanks for finding that18:37
asselin16:24:44 <jgriffith> July 2718:38
krtaylorok, any other deadlines to talk about?18:38
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krtaylornext item then18:38
krtaylor#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:39
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krtaylormestery, lukego - discussion on simple ci setup?18:39
lukegoI have found running a 3rd party CI surprisingly hard in practice. This has been due to diverse operational issues, and never actually related to the code under test. I'm going to try setting up a really minimalist CI and see if that works better. The idea and draft code (written over the past hours) is here: I plan to use this for a new mech driver that I am offering for Juno. I welcome comment18:39
lukegoand ideas :).18:39
lukegoThe initial inspiration is the script that I got from the OpenDaylight developers which is short and effective. I hope the new script will work for my driver and then be useful at least as a reference to others too.18:39
lukegoSee also mailing list thread:
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anteayamestery: your thoughts?18:40
* mestery reads lukego's comments here.18:40
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asselinlukego, if that works for you, please share as I'm also interested in looking at it.18:41
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krtaylorlukego, I share your pain, we have looked at ways to simplify too18:41
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mesteryanteaya: In general, I like this idea. As long as what we're mostly concerned about is the result, this looks slick!18:41
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mesterylukego: Do you accept pull requests? ;)18:41
lukegoyep. but code budget is strictly 100 lines :)18:41
anteayamestery: are we going to see actual test results this time?18:41
mesteryanteaya: I think that's lukego's goal indeed.18:42
krtaylorI think the actual difficulty of 3rd party actually surprised a lot of people18:42
anteayamestery: you are the ptl and you are the one with untested code in master18:42
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anteayamestery: so it is your decision18:42
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mesteryanteaya: Got it.18:42
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anteayakrtaylor: yes18:42
mesteryanteaya: I'd like to see what comes of this and get some infra input as well.18:42
lukegothe goal is definitely to fulfil the 3rd party requirements as written in the wiki18:43
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anteayamestery: do add an item to the infra agenda18:43
anteayamestery: so that you don't get lost in the crowd18:43
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mesteryanteaya: Good idea, will do that once lukego has this fleshed out a bit more.18:43
kevinbentonlukego: does this handle cases where the system stalls during package retrieval or code checkout?18:43
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anteayathe third party requirements aren't written in the wiki, they are written here:
anteayaand that document has a number of patches to it, as linked above18:44
* krtaylor is lost in reading about shellci and must come back to meeting18:44
lukegokevinbenton: not yet, but yes it’s a requirement to differentiate those “CI is stuck” issues from actual test failures, to a reasonable extent. (don’t vote -1 unless Tempest say something is wrong.)18:44
* mestery was busy posting review comments on those patches during this meeting.18:44
anteayamestery: thank you18:44
mesteryanteaya: np18:44
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kevinbentonlukego: yes, the other case to watch for that might be caused by the patch is neutron fails to start in devstack18:45
lukegokevinbenton: please post these ideas to the ML thread! I have had about 4 different weird operational issues and I would love to know what else people have seen — as geneal themes for which parts of the script can go wrong and how to avoid misvotings that could screw up workflows18:46
* krtaylor will have to look into log publishing and storage18:46
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lyxuskevinbenton, I actually did this test too. I fix the package retrieval issue by mirroring locally the server ubuntu/pypi18:46
anteayakrtaylor: I'd like to ensure we have some time for stackatlytics discussion too today, though it isn't on the agenda18:47
krtayloranteaya, agreed, this topic is rather open-ended18:47
ilyashakhat__anteaya: i'm ready :)18:47
krtaylorlukego, thanks for sharing this, I will read more about it18:47
krtaylorok, lets move on then18:48
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krtaylor#topic Open Discussion18:48
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anteayaso actually I want to talk about stackalytics18:48
anteayaand thanks ilyashakhat__ for being here18:48
Sukhdevanteaya: me too18:48
krtaylorilyashakhat__, yes, thanks18:48
Sukhdevanteaya: about
anteayaI'd like to being by saying thank you for making that change to diverlog18:49
anteayathat you agreed to do, I appreciate that18:49
anteayaand at some point I would like to get back to discussing driverlog, since I think there are more ways to improve that page18:49
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ilyashakhat__it was easy change18:49
anteayabut I think the topic at hand is what Sukhdev has posted18:49
anteayaso let's start here18:50
anteayailyashakhat__: it was nice of you to make that change, thank you18:50
ilyashakhat__yes, Sukhdev already found bug with this report (with missing CI)18:50
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anteayaso my concern with this is the concern I mentioned on the ml18:50
krtaylorSukhdev, there was ml discussion on this, on what was being asked, it is slightly different than this18:51
anteayawe don't have a way of assessing fitness of a given ci system18:51
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anteaya100% success to me indicates a broken system18:51
anteayasince there are failures which it is missing18:51
krtaylorit was mentioned that there needs to be a list of who is expected to post and if they actually did18:51
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ilyashakhat__100% for merged patches is ok, but for all looks suspicious18:51
anteayaand that is a different conversation, krtaylor18:52
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anteayakrtaylor: that conversation is how devs need to access information to decide patch flow18:52
krtayloranteaya, but that is the one Sukhdev posted the link for18:52
Sukhdevkrtaylor: not sure which ML discussion you referrering to - I saw ML discussion with ilyashakhat__ and anteaya18:52
kevinbentonilyashakhat__: how is success determined?18:52
anteayailyashakhat__: right18:52
kevinbentonright now BSN doesn’t downvote on failure18:52
anteayawe don't have a criteria for success18:52
krtaylorwell, that is the question we must document18:53
ilyashakhat__'success' = ci voted +1 or left comment with positive result18:53
Sukhdevilyashakhat__: Even Arista does not vote -1 on failures18:53
anteayailyashakhat__: but that is not success18:53
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ilyashakhat__for that cases it is possible to extract result from comments18:53
krtaylora -1 could be a success too18:53
anteayasince that gives false results18:53
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anteayawe need to determine accuracy of a system18:53
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anteayaand we don't have a way for doing that in the community18:54
ilyashakhat__krtaylor: what do you mean "-1 is success"?18:54
kevinbentonilyashakhat__: successfully identified a broken patch18:54
krtaylorilyashakhat__, if a patch is bad18:54
anteayaand until we do, every time someone makes up a definition, it disrupts our ability to have that conversation18:54
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ilyashakhat__krtaylor: got it :)18:54
anteayailyashakhat__: can you see that?18:54
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fawadkhaliqmeans CI which only comment on failure will be counted as a success18:54
krtaylorthen ci did what it was supposed to do18:54
anteayailyashakhat__: can you see that?18:55
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krtaylorno, we need to separate voting and testing18:55
lukegoIt’s scary to enable -1 voting because the effect of casting a -1 is a bit unpredictable. (does it cause a hundred people’s work to stall by screwing up a workflow somewhere? etc)18:55
anteayacan you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition?18:55
anteayakrtaylor: I agree18:55
lyxuslukego, FULLY agree18:55
ilyashakhat__fawadkhaliq: not exactly, it is possible to set pattern for positive result and for negative, however the CI must report about success results too18:55
lukegoespecially when the majority of failures are caused by “other environmental issues” and should not be -1’s18:56
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anteayailyashakhat__: can you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition?18:56
lukegohard to keep a CI running reliably even before you worry about false negatives.18:56
lyxuslukego, that's why i do manual -118:56
krtaylortesting a patchset and publishing a result, without CI system failure is a successful run18:56
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krtaylorregardless of vote18:56
anteayailyashakhat__: can you anwser my question, please18:57
ilyashakhat__anteaya: sorry, what was the question?18:57
anteayailyashakhat__: can you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition?18:57
lukegolyxus: How do you get notified that there is a failure to review, and how do you post the -1 ?18:57
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fawadkhaliqilyashakhat__: let's talk about this offline. I see some CIs failed with comments and they are counted as a success.18:58
anteayafawadkhaliq: let's talk about this ONLINE18:58
ilyashakhat__anteaya: hmmm, don't quite understand such difficult question18:58
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anteayailyashakhat__: what do you not understand18:58
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fawadkhaliqanteaya: sure, even better :)18:58
ilyashakhat__what "definition" you mean18:58
anteayailyashakhat__: I am asking if you are willing to stop making up stackalytic definitions of success18:59
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anteayafor third party ci systems18:59
anteayaand allow the openstack community to arrive at those defintions18:59
lyxuslukego, I use Jenkins;  I do a test if neutron is up , if it's not I dod a ' exit 1' which make the jenkins build fail. In jenkins, i have  post build which is to send me an email when it fails18:59
anteayaare you willing to do that18:59
anteayailyashakhat__: plese respond before we are out of time18:59
Sukhdevanteaya: What if we had a status as - CI operational or not operational18:59
fawadkhaliqilyashakhat__: anteaya: is an example18:59
krtaylor1 minute warning  :)19:00
anteayailyashakhat__: please respond before we are out of time19:00
ilyashakhat__anteaya: please give an example19:00
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anteayaI've given you many on the ml19:00
anteayaand we are out of time19:00
fawadkhaliqPLUMgrid CI failed and reports 100% success19:00
krtayloryes, time to wrap this up19:00
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anteayaI will continue to chase you down on teh ml19:00
ilyashakhat__fawadkhaliq: I'll look at it19:01
fawadkhaliqilyashakhat__:  thanks a lot19:01
krtaylorthanks everyone19:01
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devanandahi! anyone around for the Ironic meeting?19:01
rloome (but I could leave if it is cancelled)19:01
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:02
lucasagomesme (half afk)19:02
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devananda#chair NobodyCam19:02
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:02
devanandaHi all! As usual, the agenda can be found here:19:02
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devananda#topic announcements19:02
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devanandaI hope at this point everyone knows about the mid cycle in Portland (Beaverton)19:03
devanandaand has seen my email(s) to the list, signed up on EventBrite if you're coming, and so on19:03
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NobodyCamnote there is a nova and ironic signup! <- just fyi19:03
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* romcheg sets a reminder to ask for invitation19:04
devanandaright - there are two events (nova and ironic) whic hare co-located but separate events19:04
devanandaplease sign up for the one that you'll be primarily attending19:04
devanandano need to sign up for both19:04
devanandamikal and I are coordinating with the site regarding headcount19:04
devanandain other news, the ironic driver spec for Nova was approved last week19:05
devanandaso I have begun proposing our driver code to Nova19:05
devanandawhich means -- please do not make any changes to it unless absolutely necessary (or you're working with me)19:05
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adam_g`devananda, review # for the nova merge?19:06
devananda#notice please do not propose or approve changes to nova code in the ironic tree, unless coordinating with devananda19:06
adam_g`devananda, FYI is a driver patch that fixes a pretty critical issue with rebuild, ill ping you about it later19:06
devanandaadam_g`: that's the starting point19:06
devanandathere are 3 patches so far19:06
devanandaadam_g`: ack, thanks19:06
mrdadevananda: just FYI I'm working on caching auth credentials, will catch you after the meeting about it.19:07
devanandamrda: awesome.19:07
wanyenDeva, UEFI boot needs changes in Nova virt driver19:07
devanandathere's also a patch from lucasagomes to add doc strings and fix a few minor issues19:07
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devanandawanyen: ack. let's circle back to that in a minute. I will also want to talk about spec reviews19:08
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devanandaany questions regarding the mid cycle or the nova driver, before we move on to release cycle progress?19:08
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devananda#topic release cycle status19:09
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devanandaso, we're about half way through Juno at this point19:09
devananda(omg, right?!)19:09
* romcheg feels like a student just before their exams19:10
devanandalast friday, we had a discussion about our spec review list, which is quite long19:10
devanandaand about the goals we set out at the summit19:10
devanandaand I said I would follow up with an email -- I've got it drafted19:11
devanandabut want to give folks a chance to review before I send it19:11
devanandathere are two points to it19:11
devanandafirst - the list of priorities we had from the summit -- I've cleaned it up and added color19:11
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devanandasecond - I've adapted Nova's timeline to fit our team a bit, and drafted it here19:12
devanandaand want to invite feedback on that timeline before we commit to it19:12
comstudmy 'clean up rpc object code' is probably more yellow than green19:13
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devanandacomstud: ack :(19:13
comstudi mean, it's true..a lot of progress has been made, but there's a lot more to do I think19:13
matty_dubsdevananda: Are you gone for 2 weeks, or just two Thursdays?19:13
comstudI want to say it's less than 50% done... but I'll get on it here19:13
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devanandathese are related because I'm suggesting that we focus *this week* on landing specs for everything not crossed off that spreadsheet19:14
comstudNeed to finish up a couple things with Node and then do Port19:14
devanandamatty_dubs: I'm gone for two weeks19:14
lucasagomescomstud, probably chassis and port might be mostly copy&paste from nodes?19:14
comstudit's not really copy/paste work19:15
comstudbut it's also not very difficult19:15
devanandamatty_dubs: unless you fly to Nevada, I'll be unreachable from about 8/19 until 9/219:15
comstudnor will it take much time19:15
lucasagomesI see, ack19:15
comstudtechnically there's a bug associated with this, I think19:15
rloodevananda: for the timeline, what are the numbers in parentheses?19:15
comstudvs a spec19:15
devanandarloo: weeks until feature freeze19:16
devanandacomstud: so the spreasheet is just goals - some have specs or bugs associated19:16
matty_dubsWhat is the prognosis for Juno graduation looking like?19:16
rloodevananda: thx.19:16
devanandamatty_dubs: that's largely pinned on the nova driver at this point19:17
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devanandamatty_dubs: we're ahead of the curve for nearly everythign that the TC considers for graduation, though we do need to work on horizon and ceilometer integration19:17
matty_dubsIf that is merged, do we think the other requirements (I see four yellows) are likely to go through too?19:17
matty_dubsAh, that's good news19:17
JayFdevananda: wasn't there a determination at the summit that we did not need any ceilometer integration?19:17
devanandaJayF: the determiniation was taht Ironic needs to support emitting events in a pluggable way19:18
mrdaSo I think horizon could be difficult, since the propsed solution uses Tuskar, and that's not out of incubation yet either.19:18
devanandaJayF: which fits with the TC req's around projects19:18
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devanandait wasn't decided whether ceilometer wants (all or some or none) of those19:18
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JayFdevananda: so would aweeks' statsd integration spec need to instead work with whatever pluggable method will be implemented for ceilometer?19:18
devanandamrda: i need to follow up with jcoufal on that. I've communicated our req that it be usable without tuskar to him19:19
devanandaJayF: instead of requiring statsd, itshould be pluggable so that it could use statsd or ceilometer or ...19:19
devanandaJayF: however. we may be talking about different things19:19
devanandaJayF: let's talk more on that later19:20
wanyenDeva and JayF : there  is an ceilometer notification desgin spec for ironic hw sensors19:20
aweeksdevananda: JayF I'm still working on finding a reasonable API that covers the metrics models for ceilometer and statsd at the same time19:20
devanandaany questions/concerns on the timeline?19:20
lucasagomeswanyen, yeah the ceilometer spec is already merged19:21
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NobodyCamjust under a month for spec freeze19:21
lucasagomes(in ceilometer I mean)19:21
devanandamain points to call out on the timeline:19:21
devanandajuly 24 - no new specs after this point19:22
NobodyCamdevananda: this spce?
NobodyCamspec even19:22
lucasagomesdevananda, no specs for juno/*19:22
lucasagomesor k/* would be allowed?19:22
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devanandaaug 14 - we all do one big push to land any remaining specs and set direction for the last ~3 weeks of Juno dev19:23
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devanandaSep 4 - feature freeze. focus on integration and documentation and bug fixes19:24
boris-42hi all*19:24
* mrda hopes specs will be all sorted out before then19:24
devanandaoh, and this wendesday - spec review day :)19:24
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devanandalucasagomes: so Nova has been debating whether to block or allow k/* proposals during that window19:24
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devanandalucasagomes: the question being, even if the team isn't reviewing them, shoudl we encourage developers to spend their time writing specs or workign on bugs/integration/docs/etc19:25
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jrollIMO, just need to make it very clear that specs probably will not be reviewed19:25
jrollno sense in blocking work19:25
devanandaI think clearly communicating that between Sep 4 and Sep 25 we aren't going to look at the specs repo at all will be enough19:25
lucasagomesdevananda, right... Yeah lets see the output of that discussion19:26
devanandagoing to give a few more minuets for questions/comments before moving on ...19:26
NobodyCamjroll: I tend to agree with you. but under the same token I think thinks can go stale just sitting wating for review19:27
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devanandaok, thanks all. let's move on19:28
jrollNobodyCam: code, sure. specs, I doubt it19:28
NobodyCamso ++ to lucasagomes comment of waiting19:28
rlooi don't understand the timeline after k is open for spec proposals but i'll ask in Sept.19:28
wanyendeva:  for uefi and node property discovery, we have generic and iLO specs.  I hope reviewers can review both specs.19:28
devananda#topic sub team status reports19:28
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devanandaadam_g: hi! any news on tempest testing last week?19:29
devanandaNobodyCam: hi! any news on tripleo testing last week?19:29
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adam_gnothing major, got a bunch of patches up for review and have been filing related bugs @
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NobodyCamthe undercloud-ironic job is now running, I have nnot check the fail / success rate yet19:30
NobodyCambut on reviews I have seen it seems to be passing19:30
mrdathanks for that link adam_g, I thik I'm tickling a neutron-tempest bug right now19:30
NobodyCamso we'll prob make a move to make it voting soon19:30
adam_gmrda, specific to ironic, or ?19:30
matty_dubswin 919:30
devanandaadam_g: might you have time to add the tripleo-undercloud-ironic job to
adam_gdevananda, sure19:31
devanandaadam_g: or set up a second page for that job?19:31
devanandaNobodyCam: that'll help you track it's succes ^19:31
adam_gdevananda, is what i use to track those19:31
devanandaadam_g: so we swapped ironic-seed-precise for ironic-undercloud-precsie last week19:32
mrdaadam_g: well, my patch isn't passing dsvm-virtual-ironic and its unrelated.  romcheg thinks it might be neutron related.  I'll ping you after19:32
devanandathe former shouldn't be runing any longer, at least in ironic's pipe19:32
adam_gdendrobates, okay, ill add the tripleo jobs to the ironic page regardless19:32
adam_ger devananda ^19:32
Shrewsadam_g: devananda: it has been suggested that our scenario tests should really just be using the existing compute tests. so we may need to revisit our tempest testing strategy19:33
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NobodyCamadam_g: devananda Thank you19:33
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NobodyCamoh we are failing now19:33
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devanandaShrews, adam_g: it seems to me like a meeting with the QA team might be really helpful19:33
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adam_gShrews, theres lots of issues with doing that, but im hoping that fixing the bugs ive been filing will let us at least  run  all the tests from *-tempest-dsvm-ironic against ironic+nova19:34
devanandato sort out the differences we've run into, both in terms of ironic's uniqueness and each team's understanding/expectation of tests19:34
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adam_gdevananda, +1 there still seems to be confusion on both sides19:34
Shrewsdevananda: just relaying what sdague just suggested, but yes, a meeting may be helpful19:34
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devanandawould either of you like to organize it? :-)19:35
jrollNobodyCam: ironic py26/py27/check-tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic are failing, seemingly latest glance client release19:35
ShrewsNobodyCam: py26/py27 jobs are all failing now19:35
jroll(probably tripleo too)19:35
adam_gdevananda, sure19:35
devanandajroll: huh?19:35
Shrewsdue to what jroll just said19:35
jrolldevananda: e.g.
NobodyCamyes all look read19:35
NobodyCamred even19:35
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devanandawow, that's great19:35
jrolldevananda: Shrews just caught this in the last hour19:35
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devanandaI'll follow up on our gate status after the meeting19:36
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devananda#action adam_g to arrange meeting between adam, shrews, devananda and QA team19:36
devanandamoving on ...19:36
GheRiveroI can take a look to the glance client wrapper (was my code, so I know it)19:37
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devanandaI think dtantsur is on PTO, so probably no updateon bugs this week19:37
devanandaor on fedora support19:37
ShrewsGheRivero: thanks!19:37
devanandaunless anyone else has news on those19:37
devanandajroll: hi! what's the status of IPA driver? ready for the world to play with it yet? :)19:37
jrollhey :) getting there19:38
jrollstill working a bit on splitting up the patches19:38
jrolland at the same time have been working on getting devstack up and running19:38
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jrollso I can add IPA support to devstack, and eventually tempest19:38
jrollno major updates this week, though19:39
devanandak, thanks19:39
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devanandaGheRivero: hi! any updates on oslo?19:40
GheRiverono news19:40
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NobodyCamno noews os good news19:40
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devanandaGheRivero: i'm eagerly awaiting the oslo.db fixes, fwiw19:41
* devananda would like to land once it is fixed upstream19:41
GheRiverodevananda: me too. I'll take a look to them after the glance issues19:41
devanandaromcheg: hi! any updates on the nova db -> ironic db migration tool?19:41
romchegHi everyone again !19:42
romchegYes, there are some updates19:42
NobodyCamwow 42159 we on 100000+ now19:42
romchegSo I published a flavor update tool in the form it's expected to be released19:42
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romchegI made a few tweaks on data migration tool and published them too19:42
romchegI faced some problems, one of them was that we cannot tell the architecture of a specific node exactly19:43
devanandaromcheg: links?19:43
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NobodyCamromcheg: is there a list of all the migration patches?19:43
romchegdevananda: they are in the whiteboard19:43
devanandaromcheg: re: arch, I think we can assume from the conf setting of the nova compute host it was assigned to19:44
romchegdevananda: We cannot assume that because that option tells us allowed architectures19:44
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romchegI discussed it with NobodyCam and we agreed that just adding a command line option for that should be better19:45
romchegA cloud administrator knows that better than we can guess19:45
devanandaromcheg: ack19:45
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romchegdevananda: Does that approach seem to work for you?19:46
devanandaromcheg: seems fine so far. I'll review those ^ soon19:46
devanandaromcheg: any concerns about the migration tool at this point?19:46
romchegdevananda: There is one concern I was about to ask19:47
romchegWe need to make Ironic to take ownership on the nodes19:47
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romchegSo after the data was migrated we do not need to bind nodes to conductors and generate PXE stuff from the migration script19:48
romchegIt's not hard to do but doesn't seem to be right19:48
romchegAnd also the spec mentiones taking ownership on nodes by Ironic conductors19:49
devanandaromcheg: indeed. I was chatting a bit with lifeless las week about it -- the conductor take over work needs t obe finished19:49
romchegI will take a look at grenade testing this week19:49
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devanandathat's on the spreadsheet, fwiw, like 1719:49
NobodyCamromcheg: we may wan to to do move the images from the nova-bm tftp dir to ironics19:49
devanandaNobodyCam, romcheg: let's circle back on that after the meeting19:50
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romcheglet's not waste time now19:50
devananda#topic specs for all-object-changes19:50
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NobodyCamahh this is what I added?19:50
devanandaNobodyCam: hi! I see you and boris-42 want to talk about osprofiler -- can you summarize briefly?19:51
boris-42dwalleck yep19:51
boris-42devananda yep19:51
devanandawe have 9 minutes left and I'd like a little time for open discussion too :)19:51
NobodyCamboris-42: go..19:51
boris-42devananda it will be enough19:51
boris-42dwalleck I don't want to write for this spec19:51
boris-42dwalleck sorry*19:51
boris-42devananda I don't want to write for this spec19:51
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boris-42dwalleck cause I need to make 2 patches (one in project, one in client)19:51
boris-42devananda ^19:52
boris-42devananda to enable profiler19:52
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boris-42devananda they are really simple19:52
* dwalleck needs to change his nick :)19:52
boris-42dwalleck yep19:52
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boris-42devananda in python we are adding just 2 special Headers19:52
NobodyCami was lookig to discuss how we would handle all project changes19:52
jrollboris-42: isn't writing the ironic spec just a matter of `cp` and `sed`?19:52
boris-42dwalleck in project we are adding wsgi middlewaer19:52
NobodyCamwill we require a spec19:53
boris-42jroll it is not19:53
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boris-42jroll you need to make this in 100500 projects19:53
NobodyCamor is there a global spec we can ref for blueprints19:53
boris-42jroll get everywhere approves19:53
boris-42jroll and formats are a bit different in different projects19:53
NobodyCamI still feel we need blueprints for changes like this19:53
jrollsounds like an infra/tc question19:53
boris-42jroll so it's useless spending of my time19:53
jrollI'd still like to see a spec for this, personally19:53
jrollbut I totally understand that19:53
boris-42jroll and I am not secretary to do that crap19:54
devanandaboris-42: so rather than talka bout profiler itself (which I'd be happy to do, but not right now) it sounds like the question is19:54
devanandaboris-42: can you propose small changes which are being accepted across many openstack projects without a spec?19:54
boris-42devananda yep19:54
boris-42devananda and about profiler19:54
devanandaboris-42: my answer, at least for now, is: it depends :)19:54
devanandaboris-42: you're welcome to propose the code and find out :)19:54
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boris-42devananda so about profiler19:54
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boris-42devananda it doesn't add overhead19:55
boris-42devananda even if it is turned on19:55
devanandaboris-42: let's not talk about the specifics of profiler right now19:55
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boris-42devananda lol=)19:55
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NobodyCamlets loop back to the details of the change19:55
boris-42NobodyCam I mean19:55
boris-42it's just 1 header19:55
devananda#topic Open Discussion19:55
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boris-422 actually*19:55
boris-42and 1 wsgi middleware19:55
NobodyCammy question was more ... how will we handle this type of change request19:55
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boris-42NobodyCam heh just don't use specs19:56
jrollNobodyCam: I think it depends on the change19:56
devanandaboris-42: in this case, if it's that simple, please propose the code and let's discuss there19:56
boris-42devananda going to make osprofiler v 0.2.019:56
devanandaboris-42: if other projects are adopting the change, I am likely to follow suit with Ironic19:56
boris-42devananda for first19:56
boris-42devananda cause there is some conflict in oslo.messaging19:56
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boris-42devananda they don't want one peace of code19:56
boris-42devananda so I am going to move it to osprofiler19:57
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boris-42devananda and then I'll publish patches19:57
boris-42devananda probably tomorrow19:57
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NobodyCamWhile not on the spec team I have been making a big effort to review spec over hte last several days19:58
NobodyCamhope others will join me19:58
devanandaNobodyCam: thank you!19:58
wanyenwanyen: who is on spec team?19:58
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NobodyCam:) (*BLUSH*)19:58
NobodyCamone moinunte beep *BEEP*19:59
linggaodevananda, why did native IPMI driver is move to K*?19:59
jrollNobodyCam: +1 :)19:59
linggaoWe are activaly setting up the CI19:59
wanyendeva: thnaks!19:59
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NobodyCamthats time20:00
devanandalinggao: i think that line meant "make it the default" -- I'll edit the sheet20:00
romchegThanks everyone20:00
devanandathanks everyone!20:00
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NobodyCamthank you all20:00
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mesteryHi Neutron developers!20:59
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emaganaHello Neutron Commander!21:00
mesteryemagana: :P21:00
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mesterycarl_baldwin SumitNaiksatam obondarev rkukura amotoki nati_ueno: ping for meeting21:01
* HenryG lurks21:02
mesteryOK, lets get started!21:02
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mestery#startmeeting networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 30 21:02:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:02
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mestery#link Agenda21:02
mestery#topic Announcements21:02
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mesteryThe mid-cycle sprint is next week:
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mesteryWe'll cover this in detail in a few minutes, but wanted to note this here.21:02
mesteryAny other announcements the team should be aware of?21:03
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mestery#topic Mid-Cycle Sprint21:03
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mesteryI wanted to ensure we spent some time on this early in this meeting.21:03
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mestery#link Sprint Work Items21:03
mesteryI've started that etherpad to collect work items for next week.21:04
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mesteryI'm hoping those who arrive in beautiful Minnesota next week can all hit the ground running Wednesday morning.21:04
mestery3 intense days of closing nova-network gaps. :)21:04
mlavallemestery: +121:05
mesteryWe'll go from 9AM-6PM or so, though I will likely be in the office a bit before that if people want to come by earlier.21:05
sc68caltough boss! ;)21:05
salv-orlandoI hope none of the nationalities there in Minnesota will still be represented at the world cup21:05
mesteryOne thing to note: If you are planning on attending, please send unicast me your [name, email, company] so I can get guest wifi setup for you21:05
mesterysc68cal: :P21:05
mesterysalv-orlando: Ha!21:06
salv-orlandoSo go Belgium!21:06
emaganasalv-orlando: Mexico is out  :-(21:06
mlavallesalv-orlando: we were kicked out by the Dutch yesterday, so i'll be ok21:06
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mesteryAny other logistical questions I can answer from anyone about next week?21:06
banixvery unfortunate for Mexico!21:06
regXboimestery: *how* early will you be in the office?21:07
mesteryregXboi: How early is early for you? Now I'm afraid. :)21:07
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* markmcclain notes that neither the England or Italy are left for salv-orlando21:07
banixmestery: I suppose the unicast of info will get us also in the building?21:07
regXboimestery: I'll probably be able to wander in about 7 am21:07
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salv-orlandoI never cared for England. Italy is instead on a sabbatical21:07
salv-orlandoItaly literally got eaten by Uruguay21:08
regXboiso yes, you should be afraid :)21:08
mesterybanix: That's a good point. You can get into the building past 8AM, take the elevator to the 4th floor and checkin with the lobby ambassador21:08
mlavallesalv-orlando: oh that explains their poor performance21:08
mesteryregXboi: I don't know if I'll be there by 7AM. 8AM likely, though :)21:08
banixmestery: thanks21:08
regXboimestery: no worries ...21:08
mesteryregXboi: I'll see what I can do :)21:09
pcm__I'll likely come in early, I'm an early riser.21:09
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mesteryLooking forward to working F2F with folks next week to close nova-network parity gaps!21:09
Sukhdevmestery: the session kicks off at 9am though, right?21:09
mesterySukhdev: Correct. :)21:09
* mestery notes Sukhdev is from PDT timezone :P21:10
Sukhdevmestery: I will be on time :-)21:10
banixSukhdev: I see you are worried. You should be when 11m PST is early for you :)21:10
markmcclainmestery: same here… am excited to close these gaps21:10
Sukhdevbanix: :-)21:10
mesteryOK, unless there's anything else, we'll proceed with the rest of hte meeting.21:10
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mestery#topic Bugs21:11
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mesteryenikanorov__: Hi!21:11
enikanorov__nothing much new this wee. i'm trying to track gate failures21:11
mesteryAnything new on that front (gate failures)?21:11
enikanorov__so far we have a list of rarely hit bugs related to lock wait timeouts21:11
enikanorov__i hope most of the cases should be fixed by the patch21:12
enikanorov__let me find the link21:12
mesteryThanks enikanorov__21:12
salv-orlandoenikanorov_: I think you’seen this already by anyway,…
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salv-orlandothat’s ihrachyshka take on the lock wait timeout problem21:12
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enikanorov__salv-orlando: yes, i've seen this, it seems as an overkill to me...21:13
enikanorov__Elena Ezhova and me were analyzing different cases of timeouts21:13
salv-orlandook - I just wanted to raise awareness. comments are better placed on gerrit.21:13
enikanorov__so far we've seen that they are still connected to port deletion21:13
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enikanorov__so the patch  ihrachyshks has on review should fix most of them21:14
salv-orlandoonly thing I want to avoid is to have 10 different solutions for the same problem on gerrit and none on git log ;)21:14
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enikanorov__salv-orlando: sure21:14
enikanorov__another question i have on this21:15
enikanorov__is the e-r queries21:15
enikanorov__i've pushed a few to gerrit, but infra folks are not happy to merge queries that give 2-4 hits per week21:15
enikanorov__but when summed, those timeouts are several a day21:15
enikanorov__what would you recommend?21:15
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mesteryenikanorov__: I wonder if they don't want to explode e-r queries for bugs with such small hits.21:16
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salv-orlandoso e-r queries are weighted for severity on gate hits21:17
mesteryenikanorov__: I would say lets bring this up in #openstack-infra and see what we can do.21:17
enikanorov__then it would not be convenient to track hits of particular cases21:17
enikanorov__and those cases are ~10 different ones21:17
salv-orlandomestery: just like with beetlejuice you can try and say Joe Gordon’s name 3 times21:17
salv-orlandohe might appear here21:17
mesterysalv-orlando: :P21:18
enikanorov__ok. the problem is that i don't know the policies about e-r queries, so i don't quite understand their reasoning21:18
* markmcclain is starting descent…will stay rejoin when on ground21:18
mesterymarkmcclain: Enjoy SLC for the short while you're there ;)21:18
salv-orlandoenikanorov_: usually they’re filed to bring down uncategorized failures to 021:18
salv-orlandoso that’s why infra focuses on failures hitting the gate21:18
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enikanorov__anopther concern was that some failures happening on non-voting neutron-full job21:19
salv-orlandobut in the past I brought up the argument in openstack-infra or in gerrit and had them merged21:19
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salv-orlandoenikanorov_: yeah lock wait timeout failures are more frequent there.21:19
mesterysalv-orlando enikanorov__: Is the full job not voting yet? The plan is to turn that on and make it voting soon right?21:19
salv-orlandomestery: yes - there is an update on that on the mailing list21:20
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enikanorov__anyway, i'll followup with infra folks on their channel21:20
mesterysalv-orlando: Thanks!21:20
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mesteryAnything else bugs related enikanorov__?21:21
mesteryOK, thanks enikanorov__!21:21
mestery#topic Docs21:21
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mesteryemagana: Howdy!21:21
emaganamestery: Hi There!21:21
emaganaWiki is updated with the High* priority bugs21:22
emagana(only one open)  :-)21:22
emaganaI have seen developers adding DocImpact.. and I would like to thank all for that!!21:22
emaganaJust a nice extra reminder! If you push a commit with "DocImpact" please, take a look to the Doc Bug and try to fix it as well  :P21:23
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mesteryemagana: One of the gap areas is around documentation of hte open source options, I'm hopeful you can assist those who want to narrow that gap next week in MN!21:23
mesteryemagana: You may need to boot strap some new docs contributors :)21:24
emaganamestery: I will do that!21:24
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mesteryemagana: Awesome, thanks!21:24
* regXboi marvels at mestery's deft delegation21:24
mesteryregXboi: :P21:24
mesteryemagana: Anything else this week?21:24
emaganamestery: good to know, I will prepare some overview of the Docs for newers!21:24
mesteryemagana: That would be even better! /cc regXboi21:24
regXboiemagana: :)  I'm looking for that info21:25
emaganamestery: Yes, I dont like fake penalties!!!!!!21:25
regXboibecause I keep banging my head on doc issues21:25
mesteryemagana: Maybe we can even look at documentation options for DVR next week since carl_baldwin will be there too. But maybe it's too early, lets see.21:25
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carl_baldwinmestery: not a bad idea21:25
emaganamestery: the sooner the better... I will discuss that with carl_baldwin21:26
* mestery is bringing everyone together. :)21:26
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mesteryThanks for the updates emagana!21:26
mestery#topic Tempest21:26
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mesterymlavalle: Hi there!21:26
mlavallehi: we are pretty much complete with the api coverage that we planned early this year. I have one test script for VPNaaS and zzelle_ for the provider network extension21:26
regXboioops... sorry - wrong window21:26
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mesterymlavalle: Nice!21:27
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mlavalleI will update mark_mccclain's etherpad for nova pairty with all the tests pmerged21:27
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mesterymlavalle: For next week, we may have some new tempest contributors, perhaps Wednesday you could spend some time boot strapping a few.21:28
mlavalleI want to devote the next few minutes, though, to gather some feedback for the sprint next week, especially from markmcclain and salv-orlando: what do you see is needed next week for nova-parity and the full neutron job?21:28
mlavallein terms of tempest^^^21:28
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salv-orlandomlavalle: I think for enabling the full neutron job we don’t need anything in tempest.21:29
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mlavallemestery: yes, I will do that21:29
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salv-orlandoThe issues have been identified, bugs filed and root caused.21:29
salv-orlandoPatches wil follow up shortly.21:29
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salv-orlandoSo, I guess I will do my best to get the full job switched to voting this week21:29
salv-orlandoso that you guys next week can deal with inevitable spike in failure rate21:30
mlavallesalv-orlando: any tests that should be redesigned? I think you mentioned something in the tempest irc meeting to that effect21:30
mesterysalv-orlando: Nice!21:30
mesterysalv-orlando: :(21:30
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salv-orlandomlavalle: the tempest design issue pertained the lbaas scenario test. Elena Ehzova already addressed that.21:30
mlavallesalv-orlando: cool21:30
salv-orlandomestery: problems?21:31
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mlavallehow about markmcclain?21:31
mesterysalv-orlando: No, just #sadpanda for the inevitable fallout21:31
salv-orlandoah ok!21:31
mesterymlavalle: markmcclain is landing right now :)21:31
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mesterymlavalle: I'll circle with him later :)21:31
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mlavallemestery: ok, i'll follow up directly with him21:31
salv-orlandomarkmcclain loves neutron meetings at 35k feet21:31
mesterymlavalle: Thanks!21:31
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mlavalleany other input from the team as far as stuff that needs to be covered next week?21:32
mesterysalv-orlando: I don't think he takes neutron meetings from anyewher else :)21:32
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mlavalleif there is not more input, I am done. I will work the etherpad over this week21:33
mesteryThanks mlavalle!21:33
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mestery#topic L321:33
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Hi there!21:33
carl_baldwinFrist, DVR.  We’ve seen a lot of great progress.21:33
carl_baldwinWe had a big push to clean up the test failures.  We were 4 UT failures away this morning on only one patch.21:34
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carl_baldwinWe’ve been addressing feedback about as quickly as it can come in.21:34
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carl_baldwinarmax posted a demo video that was interesting.21:34
mesterycarl_baldwin: Sweet!21:34
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armaxI put the link to the video here:
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mesteryThanks armax!21:35
armaxNot sure why, but it looks like Chrome does not render the video tag very well21:35
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carl_baldwinarmax: mestery: that must be why I couldn’t see it.21:36
carl_baldwinAnyway, we’ll get that taken care of.21:36
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armaxI was going to send a mail to ML later to broaden the announcement21:36
banixlooks fine in Safari21:36
Sukhdevarmax: please do21:36
salv-orlandoarmax: ml post is still good. I will forget about that link in 5 minutes or less21:36
carl_baldwinI’ve also put up a temporary branch that merges all of the gerrit patch sets in to one commit a few times a day.21:36
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gus"The page at '' was loaded over HTTPS, but ran insecure content from '': this content should also be loaded over HTTPS."21:37
carl_baldwin^ This is just if you want a quick way to get all of the code together.21:37
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Thanks for that, for people who want to test it out, that will be helpful!21:37
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Is testing something which people can help with next week around DVR?21:37
carl_baldwinYes, it has helped me out as well.  I thought I’d share.21:38
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carl_baldwinmestery: I think so.  I’m working on it myself with a few others.  If others are interested in testing please let me know.21:38
salv-orlandomestery: ideally a soon as we merge that we might add a non-voting job that runs neutron with DVR21:39
mesterycarl_baldwin: If there are things people can assist the DVR team with next week, we can add them to the etherpad.21:39
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mesterysalv-orlando: +1 to that, though that would require multi-node tempest testing to be useful, right?21:39
carl_baldwinmestery: I’ll have a look.21:39
mesterycarl_baldwin: Thanks!21:39
enikanorov__carl_baldwin: i'm interested in testing21:39
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carl_baldwinsalv-orlando: Yes, we’re working on that.21:39
salv-orlandomestery: yeah but even without we’ll add coverage for new paths21:40
carl_baldwinenikanorov__: noted.  Thanks.21:40
mesterysalv-orlando: True, dat.21:40
carl_baldwinThe rest is up to date on the meeting page.  There were a couple of new High bugs but we’re on them.21:40
mesterycarl_baldwin: Awesome, thanks!21:41
carl_baldwinThat’s it.21:41
mestery#topic Advanced Services21:41
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: Hi there!21:41
SumitNaiksatammestery: hi21:41
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SumitNaiksatamwe had quite an interesting discussion in a special session on flavors on Friday :-)21:41
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Indeed ;)21:42
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SumitNaiksatamwe thought we were beginning to reach a conclusion at least on the user facing API, but then we ran out of time21:42
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SumitNaiksatamso for now, the plan is that markmcclain and enikanorov_ or going to reconcile on the items that we agreed upong21:42
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enikanorov__i've left corresponding comment on markmcclain's spec21:43
SumitNaiksatamwe might decide to leave features like the “tags” defined in enikanorov_’s proposal as a future enhancement21:43
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mesteryI think we're close, though I'm hopeful we can close this before the end of hte week.21:43
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: great, thanks21:43
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SumitNaiksatammestery: +100!21:43
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markmcclainI'll reply to those on next flight21:43
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mesteryFlavors is important for all the services, so closing on this will be good.21:43
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SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: great! :-)21:44
mesterymarkmcclain: Awesome! (And welcome back :)21:44
enikanorov__markmcclain: is a pilot, isn't he?21:44
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mesteryenikanorov__: :)21:44
SumitNaiksatamother than that, we want to focus on the service insertion and chaining blueprint specs21:44
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SumitNaiksatamto the extent that we can without distracting people from their focus21:44
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SumitNaiksatamso expect this wednesday to have more of a discussion on the service insertion spec21:45
regXboiSumitNaiksatam: :)21:45
SumitNaiksatamregXboi: :-)21:45
SumitNaiksatammestery: thats the short summary21:45
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the summary!21:45
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regXboiSumitNaiksatam: I plan on reading through and adding comments on the other GBP patchsets... just trying to find blocks of time21:46
mestery#topic IPv621:46
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mesterysc68cal: Howdy!21:46
SumitNaiksatamregXboi: thats a separate agenda topic, but thanks :-)21:46
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sc68calSo the two big ticket items are the IPv6 radvd spec and review21:46
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sc68cal#link IPv6 radvd spec21:46
sc68cal#link IPv6 radvd review21:46
SumitNaiksatammestery: thanks a bunch for chairing the flavors meeting!21:47
mesterySumitNaiksatam: yw21:47
sc68calWe also got tempest API tests for ipv6 attributes merged
mesterysc68cal: I saw those, that's great they are both there, given the movement to radvd21:47
mesterysc68cal: woot!21:47
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sc68calI also rebased and fixed conflicts on the python-neutronclient side for the ipv6 attributes21:47
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sc68cal#link python-neutronclient v6 support21:48
mlavallesc68cal: thanks!21:48
sc68calSo, eyeballs and reviews appreciate21:48
mesterysc68cal: You've been busy :)21:48
sc68calalso check out the multi-prefix review
sc68calWe'd appreciate some eyeballs on that, and feedback21:48
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sc68calThat's it for me21:49
mesterysc68cal: Seems like IPv6 is making good headway here, which is good!21:49
mestery#topic ML221:49
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mesterySukhdev: Hi!21:49
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Sukhdevmestery: Hi21:49
SukhdevGot few items to report21:49
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SukhdevTeam has been busy reviewing specs - some of them are ready to go and require core approvals21:50
mesterySukhdev: Thanks for pre-reviewing those and noting their readiness for core reviews!21:51
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Sukhdevmestery: thanks for approving them - need other cores to21:51
Sukhdevreview as well21:51
emaganaI will help Sukhdev21:51
Sukhdevemagana: tahnks21:51
mesteryemagana: awesome!21:51
SukhdevAnother thing to report is that some of the team members met Friday to discuss ML2 Sync21:52
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SukhdevWe are beginging to plan the activities around ML2 Sync to solve some of the issues21:52
Sukhdev This is short term fix21:52
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1193861 in neutron "ML2 plugin needs to override bulk operations" [Medium,In progress]21:52
Sukhdevbut, we are looking to solve it with ML2 -21:53
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Sukhdevwill work on the specs and BPs with the team members - so look out for that21:53
SukhdevThat is all I have to report for now21:53
amotokiSukhdev: perhaps i am reviewing all three above. will look later today but i have some concern on wording.21:53
mesterySukhdev: Thanks for the updates!21:53
Sukhdevunless there are questions21:53
Sukhdevamotoki: thanks21:54
mesteryamotoki: Awesome and thanks!21:54
mestery#topic Group Based Policy21:54
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: Howdy again!21:54
SumitNaiksatammestery: hi again21:54
SumitNaiksatamshort update21:54
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SumitNaiksatamwe have lots of patches in review now, the model series is almost complete21:55
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SumitNaiksatamand the driver series is almost there (rkukura would be posting a patch sometime later today)21:55
regXboiand now I'll say what I said before.... I owe you reviews - just need to find a block of uninterrupted time (who knows, maybe friday morning)21:55
SumitNaiksatamwith that one should be able to test a subset of the resources all the way to the data path21:55
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SumitNaiksatamregXboi: thanks, and appreciate your comments earlier21:55
SumitNaiksatamthanks in general to all the other reviewers as well21:56
SumitNaiksatammestery: so good progress over all21:56
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: Excellent!21:56
SumitNaiksatamCLI patch is also ready21:56
SumitNaiksatammestery: thanks for the time21:56
mesterySumitNaiksatam: thank you for the updates!21:56
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:56
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banixconflicting views on #link  Small issue and patchset. Shouldn’t require too much of your time21:57
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mesterybanix: ^^^21:57
banixmestery: thx.  yeah the first thing didn’t come out right for some reasons.21:58
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mesterybanix: No worries :)21:58
mesteryOK, thanks everyone!21:58
pcm__Need help on how to get oslo.messaging in global rewuirements
amotokiit is a discussion on positional argument of internal class. we have similar discussion several times so far.21:58
mesteryLook forward to seeing some of you next week in Minnesota!21:58
yamamoto_is 3rd party ci expected to test and vote stable branches?21:58
mesterypcm__: See reply by markmc on the ML to that one. :)21:58
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mesteryyamamoto_: If your driver is upstream in a stable branch, yes. I'll clarify the wiki page for that.21:59
markmcclainamotoki: I know implementations based on that class21:59
yamamoto_ok, thank you21:59
mesteryOK, thanks everyone!22:00
mesteryCatch you all on the ML and IRC!22:00
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