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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 12:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:01 |
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| zaneb | #topic roll call | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| mspreitz | o/ | 12:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 12:02 |
| bgorski | 0/ | 12:02 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 12:02 |
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| andrearosa | hi | 12:02 |
| BillArnold_ | hi | 12:02 |
| shardy | (apologies I missed last week btw..) | 12:02 |
| skraynev | hey | 12:02 |
| unmeshg | hi | 12:02 |
| zaneb | hmm, I forgot to put up an agenda | 12:03 |
| shardy | zaneb: probably pretty much the same as last week, with the addition of a plugins discussion? | 12:03 |
| mspreitz | I'd like to discuss clean shutdown of servers, but maybe that would be tough because Clint won't be here? | 12:04 |
| zaneb | shardy: stevedore, you mean? | 12:04 |
| zaneb | agenda is up now btw | 12:04 |
| pas-ha | hi | 12:04 |
| shardy | zaneb: well, all the stuff you mentioned on the ML, the way forward re waitconditions, and if we are going to stevedore all-the-things | 12:04 |
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| shardy | I guess we can keep it to the ML, but it's a big topic so some higher-bandwidth discussion might help | 12:05 |
| zaneb | ok | 12:05 |
| shardy | I suppose we really need asalkeld and stevebaker to do that properly though | 12:05 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-07-09_1200_UTC.29 | 12:06 |
| skraynev | agree with shardy | 12:06 |
| zaneb | #topic Stevedore | 12:06 |
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| zaneb | I guess asalkeld and stevebaker are the key guys here | 12:06 |
| zaneb | I discussed some with asalkeld last night | 12:06 |
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| zaneb | there's a possibility we can use stevedore Hooks instead of Extensions and get the best of both worlds | 12:07 |
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| zaneb | I'll write that up for the ML today | 12:07 |
| zaneb | did anyone else want to get their oar in on Stevedore specifically? | 12:08 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Not other than to say it's somewhat surprising to me we're suddently stevedoring everything | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | I was surprised also | 12:09 |
| shardy | I though it was just getting adopted for clients, to avoid reinventing another mechanism | 12:09 |
| shardy | personally I'd prefer to see how that goes before doing a wholesale switchover of everything | 12:09 |
| zaneb | I'm not sure what the actual benefit is to breaking the way existing users are doing things | 12:09 |
| shardy | but as you say, asalkeld and stevebaker have the knowledge here, so I assume they know what they're doing ;) | 12:10 |
| shardy | Also, we've all experienced breakage on upgrade recently - what measures do we need to ensure that doesn't happen for packaged deployments? | 12:10 |
| shardy | At least we need to document it and be very sure the necessary post scripts get sync'd into all the distros | 12:10 |
| zaneb | yeah, it sounds like an area that is ripe for upgrade bugs | 12:11 |
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| zaneb | #topic WaitCondition resources and signalling | 12:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "WaitCondition resources and signalling (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:12 | |
| shardy | EmilienM got the grenade patch working last week, so perhaps we can push on getting that in to ensure things don't get horribly broken | 12:12 |
| zaneb | I shoehorned this into the same ML thread | 12:12 |
| zaneb | so far everyone is against what I am suggesting when they first hear it :D | 12:13 |
| zaneb | but shardy and therve at least appear to have come around | 12:13 |
| zaneb | it's clear that I must be explaining it very badly | 12:13 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'm not against it, I'm just cautious of forcing everyone to choose one solution | 12:13 |
| shardy | Does anyone know what the billing implications are of forcing everyone to bounce signal data via Swift? | 12:14 |
| shardy | I'm not familiar with Swift pricing models at all | 12:14 |
| zaneb | the way AWS does it is that the data goes into a bucket owned by CloudFormation | 12:14 |
| zaneb | *not* one owned by the user | 12:14 |
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| zaneb | so there's no charge | 12:15 |
| shardy | zaneb: I don't think that's the approach taken in jasond's patch atm though? | 12:15 |
| zaneb | we can do it that way - which would probably require a quota | 12:15 |
| shardy | Also it does a weird thing moving the data back out of swift and into the heat DB, which seems ... wrong. | 12:15 |
| zaneb | or we can do it the other way, which would require the provider to make it known that certain types of resources have a cost associated | 12:15 |
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| shardy | zaneb: FWIW, I've got no issues focussing on one (swift based if that's what everyone wants) solution | 12:16 |
| shardy | but atm, I see value in both solutions for different use-cases | 12:16 |
| zaneb | IMO Swift is the "right" way to do it | 12:16 |
| shardy | the user-owned swift data approach seems pretty heavyweight for simple "I'm done" signalling requirements | 12:16 |
| zaneb | but not every cloud might have Swift | 12:16 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Yeah that was my next point, can we assume every cloud will always have swift | 12:17 |
| zaneb | which is why I think the backend should be pluggable | 12:17 |
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| shardy | certainly I don't always install it for development usage | 12:17 |
| zaneb | DefCore may change that, but atm it looks like probably not | 12:17 |
| Qiming | what's swift? :P | 12:18 |
| skraynev | Qiming: one of openstack components for storing user-date | 12:19 |
| zaneb | Qiming: a dynamic programming language invented by Apple | 12:19 |
| tspatzier | Qiming: that new programming language from apple ;) | 12:19 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: too slow ;) | 12:19 |
| Qiming | cool, many definitions | 12:19 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: yeah, I have to improve :) | 12:19 |
| skraynev | zaneb: OMG. I have not known about it! | 12:20 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, well I'm happy to proceed with your solution, but I'm still somewhat wary of making this a one-time option | 12:20 |
| skraynev | zaneb: thx, you opened my eyes :) | 12:20 |
| shardy | I'll rebase my patches on a mildly modified SignalResponder, and we can work out how to make that pluggable | 12:20 |
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| zaneb | shardy: ok, it may pay to discuss with jasond and randallburt also | 12:21 |
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| zaneb | I wouldn't go so far as to say that there seems to be a consensus on this yet | 12:21 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yes of course, I left some comments on jasond's review yesterday, but I'll try to catch one or both of them later for an IRC chat | 12:22 |
| zaneb | cool, sounds good | 12:22 |
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| zaneb | #action shardy, jasond and randallburt to discuss pluggability of WaitCondition implementations | 12:22 |
| andrearosa | can you post the change URL, please? | 12:22 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96947/ | 12:23 |
| zaneb | andrearosa: https://review.openstack.org/96947 https://review.openstack.org/101354 | 12:23 |
| andrearosa | thanks | 12:23 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bug/1337772,n,z | 12:23 |
| shardy | That's the series I've been working on | 12:23 |
| andrearosa | perfect! | 12:23 |
| zaneb | #topic Quiescing servers | 12:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quiescing servers (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:24 | |
| zaneb | mspreitz: this is you | 12:24 |
| mspreitz | OK... | 12:24 |
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| mspreitz | I think Clint cares a lot about this too | 12:24 |
| mspreitz | But I'm guessing it's 5 AM for him so he won't be here. | 12:24 |
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| mspreitz | Anyway, I think Thomas' action-aware software config stuff can handle it, by virtue of allowing the template author to write stuff to handle DELETE | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | I was wondering if this makes sense to Thomas and others. | 12:25 |
| shardy | mspreitz: I was discussing this with stevebaker recently, and he said this should already be possible, even without the action-aware stuff | 12:25 |
| tspatzier | mspreitz: yeah, that's my thought as well. stevebaker also mad such comments | 12:25 |
| shardy | Just by definining a config which is only run when the action is DELETE in the SoftwareDeployment | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | Ah, right | 12:25 |
| shardy | tspatzier: is that correct? | 12:26 |
| tspatzier | shardy: yes, I think so. | 12:26 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: And your proposal basically refines the interfaces, right? | 12:26 |
| tspatzier | shardy: the action-aware-swconfig stuff will make use cases where you have configs for multiple actions a bit more user friendly | 12:26 |
| mspreitz | But I do agree with Thomas' suggestion for allowing one SoftwareConfig/Component to handle multiple actions. | 12:27 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I do think that would be an improvement. | 12:27 |
| shardy | tspatzier: Ok, thanks for the clarification :) | 12:27 |
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| mspreitz | I guess I'm done, just wishing to see action aware software config get approved | 12:28 |
| tspatzier | shardy, mspreitz: btw, I've been busy in meeting the last two days so could not react on comments on the spec. will review and respond soon | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 12:28 |
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| zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 12:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical issues sync (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:29 | |
| zaneb | anybody got critical issues? | 12:29 |
| zaneb | try to keep it heat-related ;P | 12:29 |
| shardy | Reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105470/ would be good | 12:30 |
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| shardy | stops very bad things happening if your stack contains both SoftwareDeployments and WaitConditions, for some reason :) | 12:31 |
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| zaneb | ouch | 12:31 |
| tspatzier | shardy: is this related to the problems the TripleO team saw? | 12:31 |
| shardy | zaneb: That was the cause of the TripleO regression on Friday, triggered by my patches | 12:31 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: yes :) | 12:32 |
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| * zaneb didn't hear about that | 12:32 | |
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| tspatzier | spooky | 12:32 |
| zaneb | 4th of July ftw | 12:32 |
| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:33 | |
| zaneb | y'all will be pleased to hear I already created the agenda for next week's meeting ;) | 12:34 |
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| zaneb | also, mid-cycle meetup | 12:34 |
| mspreitz | IIRC, last week it was mentioned that getting new Tempest tests approved is a months-long wait... that sounds like a problem to me | 12:34 |
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| zaneb | #info For the mid-cycle meetup, folks will mostly be arriving Sunday night, leaving Wednesday night | 12:35 |
| shardy | mspreitz: it is a problem, not specific to Heat unfortunately | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | shardy: right about scope. Is there any movement on it? | 12:35 |
| zaneb | #info Red Hatters are mostly staying at the Marriott. The Sheraton is another nearby option. | 12:36 |
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| skraynev | I have one question/idea. Currently we have a lot of pluggable things and one command is related with it (heat resource-type-list) | 12:36 |
| shardy | mspreitz: none :( | 12:36 |
| mspreitz | Someone suggested expanding the set of people who can approve new Tempest tests? | 12:36 |
| skraynev | how about adding same things for other things (templates, clients) | 12:36 |
| shardy | I'll probably propose a session to discuss the problem in Paris | 12:36 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: thanks | 12:36 |
| zaneb | skraynev: clients are not the end user's problem | 12:37 |
| mspreitz | Can we have a command to list all plugins? | 12:37 |
| shardy | mspreitz: well yeah, the answer is either more tempest cores, or moving the project test-cases into the project trees | 12:37 |
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| shardy | Relatedly, has anyone had issues with VolumeAttachments on very-recent OpenStack? | 12:37 |
| skraynev | zaneb: ok,how about template versions? | 12:37 |
| zaneb | skraynev: there's an argument for template formats... but it wouldn't be that useful without docs anyway. So I think the real answer there is docs | 12:38 |
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| zaneb | open to being persuaded otherwise though ;) | 12:38 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, what issues? | 12:38 |
| shardy | pas-ha: In the gate, my test appears to not always find the device attached in the instance | 12:38 |
| shardy | I can't reproduce it locally, but it worked perfectly for the last three months it's been up for review, just recently started failing | 12:39 |
| shardy | could be a test issue, just wanted to check nobody was aware of critical cinder/nova issues | 12:39 |
| shardy | I couldn't see any relevant rechecks | 12:39 |
| shardy | anyway, that's a bit OT for this meeting, sorry ;) | 12:40 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, could you drop a link on your tempest patch? | 12:40 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90143/ | 12:41 |
| skraynev | zaneb: :) I just have couple of reasons: It will be easy to see (if you're lazy to read docs) and if we sometime want to deprecate some versions it will be visible for user. | 12:41 |
| shardy | I need to find (yet another) few hours to debug it | 12:41 |
| skraynev | zaneb: and there is one "crazy idea", when you want to create you own template format. | 12:42 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, zaneb also docs make sense if they are versioned by heat version which currently they seem not | 12:42 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: if you create your own you are definitely going to need to document it | 12:43 |
| pas-ha | so having current list of supported stuff per deplyment seems reasonable | 12:43 |
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| zaneb | I definitely wouldn't be opposed if you guys submitted patches for that | 12:44 |
| skraynev | zaneb: yeah, but it also provide you the easiest way to verify, that you template type is plug-on | 12:44 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: good point, although that's more of an admin problem than a user problem | 12:45 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: I'd say submit a spec for it. I don't see any obstacle to it getting approved | 12:46 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: yeah)) I just wrote previous message before read yours :) | 12:46 |
| skraynev | zaneb: thx. | 12:46 |
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| zaneb | np | 12:47 |
| zaneb | ok, let's wrap it up and jump back to #heat | 12:47 |
| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 12:47 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 12:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 12:47:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-09-12.01.html | 12:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-09-12.01.txt | 12:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 15:01:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hows things? | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | Fine, fine | 15:02 |
| BobBall | What about over on your side of the A14? | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not much to report here | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is the CI looking heathy these days? | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | yup | 15:04 |
| BobBall | although I don't know for sure that the stats are being updated | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but my stats suggest it's healthy | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | good good | 15:05 |
| BobBall | {'': 36, 'Failed': 18, None: 10, 'Passed': 232} | 15:05 |
| BobBall | less than 10% failure rate according to that | 15:05 |
| BobBall | None are jobs that are queued / running | 15:05 |
| BobBall | '' are jobs that were obsoleted before they completed | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats good, probably | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, gotcha | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | so can't argue with that | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | also the 10% 'failure rate' includes correct failures | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats always the fun thing | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not much to chat about | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | how did the turning on more tests go? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was an updated ciros or something? | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | oh uhhh yes that | 15:08 |
| BobBall | I've not done that :) | 15:08 |
| BobBall | I should test the devstack change really... ... ... | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, something for the todo list, as in the cI todo list | 15:09 |
| BobBall | indeed - that's for sure. | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | I've been focussed on buildroot this past week | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, hows that going? | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | We're upgrading to trusty + CentOS 7 (soon) but ensuring we keep openstack compatability of course | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was talk of a new feature to build the images | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:11 |
| BobBall | (with debian jessie ofc) | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you mean the nova-compute OS? | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | dom0 | 15:13 |
| BobBall | for buildroot | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, sorry | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | got confused, I thought you meat upstreaming XenServer ci bits | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | doh, that makes more sense now | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | I'd like to move domu to trusty | 15:14 |
| BobBall | but that's more faff | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, what about XenServer CI nova-compute guest OS? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we might get issues if we don't upgrade that soon | 15:16 |
| BobBall | *confused* | 15:16 |
| BobBall | is that different to DomU above? | 15:16 |
| BobBall | no, it's not | 15:16 |
| BobBall | yes - I'd like to move to Trusty | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | sorry... I've been scratching my head with Mate today about 4 different jeos / xva / templates that are used in different places | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries, my mind keeps wondering, clearly | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like its all in hand | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess a heads up is that the new windows agent that works with newer XenAPI tools is proving tricky to stabalize | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so there are likely to be some changes in that area, but probably no way of getting those in before K now | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Why's it proving tricky? | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | will try chase down some updates the stability patches I have been working on | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Do you know any more details? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the key bit is that rename now cause a reboot, which messes up the agent <-> nova commuinication | 15:19 |
| BobBall | I see | 15:19 |
| BobBall | gotta love reboots | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean, that should have been done all along, but its just getting that all to work thats a little tricky | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, stupid reboots | 15:20 |
| BobBall | *nod* understood | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | although I may have found out why windows builds take quite so long in the agent, and I might have fixed some of that slowness, but lets see how that goes, I might have made it take more time as well! | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | still testing that out | 15:21 |
| BobBall | btw - do you know the URL for the average waits for nova patches | 15:21 |
| BobBall | ? | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, looking | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Ah - just found it | 15:24 |
| BobBall | heh | 15:24 |
| BobBall | thanks! | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | I just found it too | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | 13 days, shudder | 15:24 |
| BobBall | got the right magic keyword in the google search | 15:24 |
| BobBall | D: | 15:24 |
| BobBall | :D* | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I guess we are all done here? | 15:24 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:24 |
| BobBall | thanks | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | thank you too, good to catch up | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 15:25:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-09-15.01.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-09-15.01.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-09-15.01.log.html | 15:25 |
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| jgriffith | cinder meeting | 16:00 |
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| * DuncanT- hides at the back | 16:01 | |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 16:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | Hey everybody | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| winston-d_ | hi | 16:01 |
| avishay | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:01 |
| avishay | hi | 16:01 |
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| jkremer | hi | 16:01 |
| ameade | hello | 16:01 |
| glenng | Greetings! | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT- | hey | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic status of connector seperation from drivers (flip214) | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
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| flip214 | well, okay. | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104701/ | 16:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 16:02 |
| flip214 | grrg, just when I'm about to ask. | 16:03 |
| flip214 | we need to establish a token ring here. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | flip214: the "new" model works with TgtADM, LIO on LVM | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | flip214: I don't have a way to test/fix ISER | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: yet at least | 16:03 |
| flip214 | but would you say it's in a state that I could start putting replication in there? | 16:03 |
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| xyang1 | what about FC? | 16:03 |
| flip214 | or is it about to change so much that I'll only get merge conflicts later on? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | need to run a check on IET... and barring any more freak outs I'd like to remove the wip and get it moving forward | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: one step at a time :) | 16:04 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: sure | 16:04 |
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| bswartz | who is doing the NFS work? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I'd like to implement the LVM / FC next | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: you | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: LOL | 16:04 |
| bswartz | okay thanks for the heads up | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I may or may not get to it | 16:04 |
| bswartz | I'm happy to help | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: flip214 the point I tried to make previously is I don't intend to just "break" all of the existing code | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: We have a guy here at IBM that was looking at working on that as well. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | just start movement to a sane architecture | 16:05 |
| bswartz | how soon can groundwork get merged ? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: if folks are happy with it I can finish it up and get moving today/tomorrow | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | I just need to decide the best way to have both models co-exist | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | the "new_drivers" dir is certainly an option | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: are we going to change every driver in stages? | 16:06 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: so I could start working with that, say, next week? | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: sure.. or later this week... or now | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: I don't anticipate major changes to the principals of the design... just maybe some swapping of names | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | might be good to switch over CI to use the new model for a bit and shake out any unexpected races etc | 16:07 |
| avishay | i'm seeing this patch/blueprint for the first time now. i guess i understand the LVM/iSCSI changes, but what do other drivers have to do? | 16:07 |
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| flip214 | jgriffith: ack, thanks a lot. question answered, let's move on. | 16:07 |
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| rushiagr__ | o/ | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: they don't have to necessarily do anything right now. But it would probably be in their best interest to clean up their inheritance model | 16:08 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: so every driver will inherite from the new base VolumeDriver class and set the correct connect? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | avishay: so rather than inherit iscsiDriver, just inherit Driver and your own connector etc | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | connector | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | or one of the existing ones | 16:08 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: gotcha | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yup | 16:08 |
| avishay | sounds more gooder | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I thought it would be | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and it offers a good deal of flexibility | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: ie inherit iscsi connector, override at will | 16:09 |
| avishay | agreed | 16:09 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: so for things that use the replication api ... these need to be between eg. lvm and iscsi | 16:09 |
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| flip214 | should the replication api implementation be "just" something that can be mixed in additionally? | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so we will ask each driver maintainer to move to this new model, right? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I am starting to mess with creating FC targets and going down that path | 16:10 |
| avishay | jgriffith: solidfire has FC now? | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: have fun:) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: getting fc gear for extended periods of time is tricky though | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | avishay: sadly we are going down that path yes | 16:10 |
| * jgriffith hates FC | 16:10 | |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | trrible legacy tech that should DIE | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | terrible even | 16:11 |
| avishay | how is replication related to this? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: not sure it is? | 16:11 |
| flip214 | avishay: I'd guess that the replication driver(s) should be available for lvm-iscsi, lvm-fc, and so on. | 16:11 |
| * jungleboyj likes tribble legacy tech better. | 16:11 | |
| flip214 | so they'd be a level in-between the storage and the connector. | 16:11 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: +1 for FC :) | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: for making it DIE or that you like it :) | 16:12 |
| avishay | flip214: OK, think i get where you're going | 16:12 |
| kmartin | long live FC, +1 for the solidfire FC driver | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | flip214: avishay I see replication as still very much in progress so not sure | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: damn you! | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: +1:) | 16:13 |
| avishay | next topic? | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yes please | 16:13 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:13 |
| avishay | jgriffith: agreed | 16:13 |
| avishay | thingee: hello! | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: timeline for the move? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | #topic batching up cleanup patches | 16:13 |
| asselin | hi | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I'm assumign that's you? | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | Aye | 16:13 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: text looks OK to me | 16:13 |
| winston-d_ | avishay: +1 | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | Really simple question: Does anybody hate the text enought o complain? | 16:14 |
| anteaya | I think we want status:open instead of status:merged in the linked gerrit query | 16:14 |
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| kmartin | +1, text looks fine to me | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | anteaya: -status:merged | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | The negation is important | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: that's a "not" merged | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Oh... yeah.. what DuncanT- said | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | And less to type than status:open OR status:abandoned | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | dang IRC races | 16:14 |
| anteaya | DuncanT-: okay | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | The query now seems to be finding the right patch (thanks flip214 / jgriffith for the help) | 16:15 |
| anteaya | yes, while status:open doesn't for some reason | 16:15 |
| anteaya | how odd | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | Ok, I'm done :-) | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT- | We can make the search smarter later if we need to | 16:16 |
| flip214 | DuncanT-: perhaps use a different character than "-" ... something sane, like ø might do ;) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | FTR I think it's a great idea | 16:16 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: I used underscore - already done :-) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Thx DuncanT- for proposing it | 16:16 |
| avishay | uh oh...we have 44 minutes left... | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Somehow I missed this. | 16:16 |
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| winston-d_ | fastest meeting ever! | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | let's quit while we're ahead :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | #topic J2 | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | Just a reminder | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | J-2 is upon us | 16:17 |
| * avishay jinxed it | 16:17 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Nevermind, will chat after the meeting. | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: promise just a minute on this | 16:17 |
| ameade | I don't like the idea | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Jly 24 is release | 16:17 |
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| ameade | for the batching i mean | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Next week I'll freeze any spec submissions | 16:17 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: You've approved a few cinder specs. can you also update the blueprint milestone for J-2? | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | ameade: jungleboyj: Looks like we'll have to come back to this in a sec | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yes, please be patient | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: sure. thanks! | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | or I'll go back and revert the specs :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | crap | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | ok.. ameade jungleboyj what's the problem? | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok, I'll be quiet:) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: :) | 16:19 |
| eharney | jgriffith: can you say something about specs expectations for blueprints that have existed for a while | 16:19 |
| ameade | if we do that all it's going to do is deter people from writing cosmetic patches. | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: yeah... if you had a bp prior to specs don't worry about writing a spec | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | eharney: also... every change doesn't need a spec | 16:19 |
| eharney | is that dependent on it being marked as approved or something? | 16:19 |
| ameade | is it really a big problem to rebase on top of cosmetic changes? | 16:19 |
| * eharney needs to go cleanup some blueprints | 16:19 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: nahh... IMO just timing | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | eharney: seem fair? | 16:20 |
| eharney | yeah | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: DuncanT- I just want to make sure I understand. Anything that isn't fixing a bug, is just cleaning up or something like that we should follow the process from DuncanT- ? | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: we still have some learning and fine tuing WRT specs anyway | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: So a change like fixing typos, etc. | 16:20 |
| avishay | jgriffith: it would be nice if there was a way to know which code patches belong to blueprints that are not yet approved and give lower priority...no idea if that's possible | 16:20 |
| eharney | avishay: we haven't historically used "approval" enough for that to matter... are we now? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: you can click on the "implements blueprint: xxx" link | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: eharney I found a patch yesterday that was associated with a Blueprint from may with no spec. I noted it needed a spec. That seem right? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: eharney oh... think I see what you're saying | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: nope | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Basically this comes down to the taste of the cores... | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | not necessarily | 16:21 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: kind of a problem if i submit code like that after the spec freeze | 16:22 |
| winston-d_ | ameade: not for every clean-up patches, but for some, for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104493/ if this landed right before J2, it may create a rebase hell | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | like I said it's a learning process | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | I'd like to see specs used for: | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | 1. Things that modify the API (add, change etc) | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok. Whatever we deem to be clean up. Ok. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | 2. Major features | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: And only really cleanup that is likely to cause rebase pain - see John's excellent example | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | mostly things that change the behavior or end user experience | 16:23 |
| avishay | 3. Drivers? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm mixed on that | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok. THanks. | 16:23 |
| ameade | winston-d_: I doubt that example would create rebase hell, the worst patches would be moving giant chunks of code | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I find it somewhat unnecessary overhead | 16:23 |
| eharney | IMO most driver work doesn't seem to call for a spec | 16:23 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | it's boiler plate in almost every case | 16:23 |
| thingee | "I plan to write a driver with minimum cinder requirements" | 16:24 |
| thingee | BOOM | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:24 |
| eharney | thingee: exactly | 16:24 |
| avishay | for "classic" drivers yes, but lately there have been some drivers that got pushback | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so a new driver needs a spec but enhancements to an existing driver doesn't need spec? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: don't get me started if you want to end this meeting :) | 16:24 |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: neither | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: drivers don't need spes is my proposal | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: okay, that will be easier | 16:25 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: let's have a philosophical discussion on the role of drivers in cinder | 16:25 |
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| avishay | haha | 16:25 |
| thingee | oh dear | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok... any burning concerns? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | itchiness... rashes? | 16:25 |
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| * jungleboyj laughs. | 16:26 | |
| jgriffith | swelling? | 16:26 |
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| anteaya | I'm sneezing a lot | 16:26 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: what about a spec for "Separate data-path cmds from control cmds" ? that seemed to throw some people for a loop | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | If a reviewer *really* feels a change would benefit for the spec process, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for one (e.g. the private types recently... the spec has definitely helped me become happy with the idea fast) | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | anteaya: hmmm... could be allergies | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | kmartin: We did that earlier | 16:26 |
| avishay | *cough* TMI *cough* | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT- | anteaya: tourniquet to the throat will fix your cough | 16:27 |
| avishay | lol | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | So, specs not required for driver changes just required for changes that touch the larger user base. | 16:27 |
| anteaya | DuncanT-: gee, thanks | 16:27 |
| avishay | ok i think we're about to be kicked out of the room | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT- | anteaya: It's kind of a universal elixir like that | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | avishay: ??? We have half an hour | 16:28 |
| anteaya | DuncanT-: helpful | 16:28 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: i know, but we're done and was hoping nobody would notice | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: avishay is really trying to finish this. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | alright.. should we wrap this up? | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: can I have a code review request since we are done? | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104732/ | 16:29 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yes! | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: DuncanT- can clarify in openstack-cinder | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: no | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | CG changes | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | thanks everyone! | 16:29 |
| avishay | xyang1: only 2500 LOC, no sweat! | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 16:29:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-09-16.01.html | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I am done. :-) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-09-16.01.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-09-16.01.log.html | 16:29 |
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| xyang1 | avishay: of course:) | 16:29 |
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| xyang1 | avishay: please review it when you get a chance! | 16:30 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 17:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| tjones | hi folks - who's here today? | 17:01 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: thought you were coming late? | 17:02 |
| mdbooth | tjones: I am late :) | 17:02 |
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| tjones | lol | 17:02 |
| kirankv | hi | 17:02 |
| vuil | o/ | 17:02 |
| tjones | thanks! | 17:02 |
| vuil | gary wants me to pass word along that he is not able to make the meeting. | 17:02 |
| KanagarajM | Hi tjones, I'm here | 17:03 |
| tjones | ok lets get started. I want time during the open dicsussion to talk about the 1 cluster / nova compute issue | 17:03 |
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| tjones | so lets wait until the end for that | 17:03 |
| tjones | 1st lets talk about bugs | 17:03 |
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| tjones | #topic vmware api bugs | 17:03 |
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| tjones | I've put together this web page which allows more flxibility in looking at bugs | 17:04 |
| tjones | http://54.201.139.117/demo.html | 17:04 |
| KanagarajM | ok i have one defect https://review.openstack.org/99623 | 17:04 |
| tjones | if you type vmware in the search area you can see our bugs | 17:04 |
| tjones | ok KanagarajM we can talk about that in a little bit | 17:04 |
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| tjones | I would like us to spend 10 minutes going through the bugs and calling out issues that we think would be affecting our customers from being able to successfully deploy openstack on vsphere | 17:05 |
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| tjones | for those bugs we need to add them to the vmwareapi project so they can be tracked separately | 17:06 |
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| tjones | we can't tag them unfortuately - so we have to add them to the project. see this bug as an example | 17:06 |
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| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240373 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240373 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMware: Sparse glance vmdk's size property is mistaken for capacity" [High,Confirmed] | 17:06 |
| tjones | we have to add it to the vmwareapi-team project | 17:07 |
| tjones | make sense? | 17:07 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: Not really sure what I'm looking for, tbh | 17:09 |
| tjones | these are things that we would like to make sure that a customer has fixes for before trying to deploy. for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1255317 | 17:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255317 in nova "VMware: can't boot from sparse image copied to volume " [High,In progress] | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: This one is extremely easy to hit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1333587 | 17:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1333587 in nova "VMware: ExtendVirtualDisk_Task fails due to locked file" [High,Fix committed] | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth | It came from RH qa | 17:10 |
| tjones | yes - exactly | 17:10 |
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| tjones | this is the kind of bug we should have added to the vmwarepi-team list. I'll add it | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | tjones: We just looking for vmware bugs? | 17:11 |
| tjones | yes | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | ok | 17:11 |
| vuil | so that bug is fixed right? | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Yeah, upstream. Needs backporting, though | 17:12 |
| tjones | i don't want to spend more than 5 minutes on this - but lets call out as many as we can. we will do this every week. you can also do it when you see something like this that would affect a customer | 17:12 |
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| tjones | this one also i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1304593 | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1304593 in nova "VMware: waste of disk datastore when root disk size of instance is 0" [High,In progress] | 17:13 |
| mdbooth | tjones: I *think* I just fixed that one | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | co-incidentally | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | In the refactor | 17:14 |
| tjones | awesome | 17:14 |
| tjones | the purpose of this list is calling out only issues that will cause a customer to fail. not to overwhelm them with issues | 17:15 |
| tjones | ok lets move on to BP now | 17:15 |
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| KanagarajM | tjones: i would like to ask some approver could look into the defect https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1329261 . | 17:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329261 in nova "vmware: VCdriver creates same hypervisor_hostname for different vcenters with same Cluster name" [High,In progress] | 17:15 |
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| tjones | oh sorry KanagarajM - you said you wanted to discuss that | 17:15 |
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| rgerganov_ | hi, sorry for being late | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | tjones: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104145/5/nova/tests/virt/vmwareapi/test_vmops.py line 98 | 17:16 |
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| tjones | we can only +1 it. we cannot +2 it | 17:16 |
| KanagarajM | oh ok | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | That test change is required because it previously created an unnecessary copy, and now it doesn't | 17:17 |
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| mdbooth | So we had to change the target size to force the copy creation | 17:17 |
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| mdbooth | Which is what makes me suspect the root gb size 0 bug *might* be fixed | 17:17 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: looks like you have been getting reviews - so once it has a couple +1 from this team and a +1 from minesweeper you should ask the core guys to take a look (on irc) | 17:17 |
| tjones | mdbooth: cool - we should retest it then | 17:18 |
| tjones | ok on to BP? | 17:18 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: ok sure. thanks | 17:18 |
| tjones | #topic approved BP (aka refactor) | 17:18 |
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| tjones | vuil: mdbooth: how's it going? | 17:19 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Pretty good | 17:19 |
| vuil | thanks to mdbooth for posting the patches, and updating some existing ones | 17:19 |
| mdbooth | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/116749/26339140 | 17:19 |
| vuil | I am working on laying phase 3 patches on top of it. | 17:19 |
| tjones | nice!!! | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | vuil: The end of the line is currently https://review.openstack.org/104148 | 17:20 |
| vuil | pretty :-). How about I put it in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno? | 17:20 |
| tjones | i did a zillion reviews yesterday | 17:20 |
| rgerganov_ | the oslo integration is also ready for review | 17:20 |
| vuil | thanks rado as well. | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Go ahead | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | tjones: I saw, thanks | 17:20 |
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| tjones | garyk said that hot plug is moving well too | 17:20 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: vuil - so what's your feeling on when the refactor is completely merge?? | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Well, we've been fairly successful in getting trivial fixes merged | 17:21 |
| tjones | and rgerganov_ can you post the link to the oslo integration for this team? | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | This has been incredibly useful, as it has meant we have dealt with a bunch of known potential merge conflicts already | 17:22 |
| rgerganov_ | tjones: here it is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/ | 17:22 |
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| KanagarajM | dansmith: could you please provide your inputs on the 1 cluster 1 compute process. | 17:22 |
| rgerganov_ | it has +1 from Jenkins and Minesweeper | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | However, I feel that what's left has some patches in there which would require more than a glance | 17:22 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: please wait until open discussion for that | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth | Realistically, I think we should be looking for a couple of sponsors | 17:22 |
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| tjones | dansmith: and mriedem have been pretty helpful - shoudl we ask them to sponsor? | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | tjones: I'll be happy with whoever wants the job :) | 17:24 |
| tjones | :-D | 17:24 |
| vuil | Mark McL has been too | 17:24 |
| tjones | true | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | Again, I'm happy to stay on top of review comments aggressively | 17:24 |
| tjones | thanks - this is moving nicely | 17:24 |
| tjones | rgerganov_: looks like you could use a few more reviews on http://paste.fedoraproject.org/116749/26339140 | 17:24 |
| vuil | I am working through those as well | 17:25 |
| tjones | it's a big one - should we try to get a sponsor for this too? | 17:25 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov_: Sorry, employer interrupt meant I didn't get to that :( | 17:25 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: I would like to get approval for the BP https://review.openstack.org/104211, NFS glance datastore. could you please bring it here thanks. | 17:25 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: please wait until we get to unapproved BP for that. it is next | 17:25 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: sure. | 17:26 |
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| tjones | any other approved BP we should cover? | 17:26 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Does refactor phase 3 cover factoring out image cache -> disk creation? | 17:26 |
| mdbooth | from spawn | 17:26 |
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| * mdbooth vaguely recalls it does, but hasn't gotten around to looking, yet | 17:27 | |
| vuil | image fetch/convert/cache/use | 17:27 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Awesome. I have a use for that. | 17:27 |
| tjones | cool | 17:27 |
| tjones | ok lets move on | 17:27 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Drop me a mail if you want any help with those patches, btw | 17:27 |
| tjones | #topic unapproved BP | 17:28 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Otherwise I'm going to concentrate on the existing queue | 17:28 |
| tjones | kirankv: want to go 1st? | 17:28 |
| vuil | mdbooth: will do (in the middle of decomposing that into small ones) | 17:28 |
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| kirankv | https://review.openstack.org/98704 | 17:28 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: Excellent. I think that's working well. | 17:29 |
| kirankv | need review on this one https://review.openstack.org/98704 | 17:29 |
| tjones | kirankv: should you chat with johnthetubaguy on irc to cover his concern (and remove the -1)? | 17:29 |
| kirankv | i chatted with him today, he mentioned he will look into it tommorrow | 17:30 |
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| tjones | great | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | I was actually the one who pointed out the issue to him | 17:30 |
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| tjones | ok looks like it could use more reviews from this team too. guys please take a look | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | So I'm moderately familiar with it | 17:30 |
| tjones | anything else kirankv? | 17:31 |
| kirankv | the other one I have to address the sync issues | 17:31 |
| kirankv | tjones: thanks | 17:31 |
| mdbooth | Ah, I may be thinking of the other one | 17:31 |
| tjones | ok lets wait until we finish BP and then do that in open discsussion | 17:31 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: your turn | 17:32 |
| KanagarajM | yes | 17:32 |
| KanagarajM | would like to get approval for https://review.openstack.org/104211 NFS glance | 17:32 |
| KanagarajM | datastore | 17:32 |
| tjones | we cannot approve - we can only review | 17:32 |
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| tjones | guys can you please review this BP this week? | 17:32 |
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| tjones | KanagarajM: you want to say a few words about it? | 17:33 |
| KanagarajM | should i wait till get approval for a BP, or i can go ahead for the patch submit? | 17:33 |
| KanagarajM | sure: it actually uses the datastore mounted on the NFS mount point created on the image store of a glance | 17:33 |
| KanagarajM | during the instance boot, compute copies the image from glance to vmare_temp by using the NFS datastore | 17:34 |
| tjones | you can push patches but they will get -2 until the BP is approved. | 17:34 |
| KanagarajM | it improved the image caching exponentially | 17:34 |
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| rgerganov_ | KanagarajM: do you have any measurements? | 17:35 |
| KanagarajM | sure, i will wait for the approval, but not sure how to get the attention of the core approvers , as this blue print is completely for the vmware vc driver | 17:35 |
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| KanagarajM | yes, for 800 MB image, the boot time reduced from 16 mins to 6 minutes | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov_: I can well believe it. I'm convinced the performance of the copy code must be terrible from looking at it | 17:35 |
| rgerganov_ | KanagarajM: if you have any data, then I'd suggest to put it in the spec | 17:35 |
| tjones | i'd start with getting arnaud__ to take a look as he is a core reviewer in glance | 17:35 |
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| KanagarajM | sure, thats great idea. thanks rgerganov. | 17:36 |
| tjones | wow ! that is an improvement!! | 17:36 |
| kirankv | KanagarajM: it depends on the vCenter version you are using | 17:36 |
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| mdbooth | KanagarajM: Is that a common deployment, btw? | 17:36 |
| kirankv | 2Gb generally takes 5m | 17:36 |
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| mdbooth | i.e. glance image store externally accessible by nfs? | 17:36 |
| KanagarajM | kiranv : that is right its an windows vc | 17:36 |
| KanagarajM | mdbooth: couldn't get your question | 17:37 |
| * mdbooth doesn't know how people use this stuff in the real world | 17:37 | |
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| kirankv | yes, the right vCenter update versions have better performance | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | KanagarajM: I'm assuming that your BP only covers the case where the glance image store *can* be mounted via NFS from an ESX host | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | Is that a common deployment architecture? | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | i.e. is anybody likely to be able to use it? | 17:37 |
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| vuil | NFS datastore is a common deployment scenario. | 17:39 |
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| vuil | some deployment only uses high end NFS, in fact | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | I meant for glance | 17:40 |
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| * mdbooth used to work at a VMware shop which used NFS for everything | 17:40 | |
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| tjones | so we really need to move onto open discussion. lets table this and continue either on the ML or in -vmware after the meeting | 17:41 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:41 |
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| tjones | there is some confusion over what we are doing with 1vc / n-cpu. | 17:42 |
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| kirankv | yes, would prefer that the current approach be retained | 17:43 |
| tjones | as i understood this was a mandate from the core guys made in atlanta | 17:43 |
| kirankv | you can achieve the 1cluster to 1 service mapping with existing implementation | 17:43 |
| rgerganov_ | I have posted the patch for dropping the multi-cluster support because this was on our roadmap for Juno | 17:43 |
| mdbooth | kirankv: We lost that argument. No point in continuing it imho. | 17:43 |
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| kirankv | tjones: only when we have a viable alternative can be drop it | 17:44 |
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| tjones | *looking for the notes from last week* | 17:44 |
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| vuil | kirankv: what would we be missing with multiple n-cpu processes managing a single cluster each? | 17:45 |
| vuil | as a viable alternative I mean | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Apart from the additional resources they consume ;) | 17:46 |
| kirankv | vuil: the memory footprint is more | 17:46 |
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| mdbooth | kirankv: I agree with you, but we lost. | 17:46 |
| kirankv | number of vcenter connection | 17:46 |
| rgerganov_ | the real problem is with the image cache which will be replicated for each nova host | 17:47 |
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| rgerganov_ | I believe this can be solved with nova-conductor but requires more thinking and research | 17:47 |
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| tjones | frankly i've lost sight of the problem we were solving by even doing this. can someone recap why the core guys insisted on this? | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov_: The image cache is already replicated per datastore. | 17:48 |
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| mdbooth | I don't think will change with multiple n-cpu | 17:48 |
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| rgerganov_ | tjones: nova-compute is supposed to scale horizontally, not vertically. that was the main point I think | 17:48 |
| KanagarajM | i have last the connection in IRC, and am back | 17:48 |
| kirankv | rgrerganov: my BP intends to solve this :) | 17:48 |
| tjones | rgerganov_: oh yeah right | 17:48 |
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| * mdbooth sees it as a deployment decision, personally | 17:49 | |
| rgerganov_ | mdbooth: you won't replicate the cache for each cluster right now | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | Admins are grown-ups too | 17:49 |
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| vuil | and the feeling that nodes concept was being abused, and they want it done | 17:50 |
| kirankv | mdbooth: yes its a deployment decision and we should leave the choice as it exists today | 17:50 |
| rgerganov_ | vuil: correct | 17:50 |
| vuil | s/done/gone | 17:50 |
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| mdbooth | rgerganov_: You'll replicate it per datastore | 17:50 |
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| mdbooth | So unless the clusters share datastores, it'll make no difference | 17:51 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: is the discussion strated on 1 cluster 1 nova-compute, i have lost the connection | 17:51 |
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| tjones | yes we are discussing | 17:51 |
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| rgerganov_ | mdbooth: it is a common case to share a datastore among clusters in the same vCenter I believe | 17:51 |
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| mdbooth | rgerganov_: Ok, in that case it would make a difference | 17:52 |
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| kirankv | yes, in deployments ive seen its always shared datastores within the cluster | 17:52 |
| KanagarajM | ok, multibackend solves many problems as listed in BP and in addition, i have added comments saying that , its going to save Capital Expense and running expense for the cloud provider | 17:53 |
| mdbooth | Anyway, regardless of the merits of it, we just need to get this done | 17:53 |
| kirankv | mdbooth: are you referring to shared datastores across clusters? | 17:53 |
| mdbooth | kirankv: yes | 17:53 |
| * mdbooth would like to float an idea briefly before we finish, btw | 17:53 | |
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| kirankv | mdbooth: ah, so it we were to cache images on such a shared datastore it would help | 17:54 |
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| kirankv | tjones: can we tell nova core that we have issues to resolve before we can move to the 1 cluster = 1 compute service model | 17:54 |
| tjones | kirankv: i think it would be best to send something out on the ML discussing the issues we are facing for full transparency | 17:55 |
| kirankv | and until that we will leave this model, the admin still has the choice of using 1 cluster = 1 seevice in the existing design | 17:55 |
| rgerganov_ | tjones: +1 | 17:55 |
| mdbooth | +1 | 17:55 |
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| tjones | who is going to write it - i feel like it's a best a joint email from (for example) rgerganov_, mdbooth, and kirankv. thoughts? | 17:57 |
| KanagarajM | ok there are different ways to solve the 1 cluster 1 service issue, but they are having draw backs as listed in the BP like keeping same configuration across mutiple nova.-xxconf | 17:57 |
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| kirankv | can start the thread | 17:57 |
| * mdbooth isn't sufficiently familiar with the detail to write it | 17:58 | |
| mdbooth | kirankv: +1 | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | So, RH qa hit an issue when suspending a rescue image | 17:58 |
| tjones | great - 2 mote minutes | 17:58 |
| tjones | go mdbooth | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | It explodes into multiple pieces | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | I was looking over the code earlier | 17:58 |
| KanagarajM | cinder has taken this approach of multi backend after a while cinder project started and the main reason was from one cinder-colume service, they want to spawn as many cinver-volume process for a given driver | 17:58 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: you have a bug link? | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | tjones: It's an outcrop of https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1269418 | 17:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1269418 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "[OSSA 2014-017] nova rescue doesn't put VM into RESCUE status on vmware (CVE-2014-2573)" [High,In progress] | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | But it's really a new bug | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | But I only just verified, so it's not in lp yet | 17:59 |
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| mdbooth | Anyway | 17:59 |
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| tjones | ok | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | garyk points out that there's a band-aid fix for it | 17:59 |
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| mdbooth | However, I wondered about changing the way we do rescue images | 17:59 |
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| mdbooth | Instead of creating a new vm | 17:59 |
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| mdbooth | We just add the rescue image to the exiting vm and boot from it | 18:00 |
| tjones | oops - outta time. lets move over to -vmware | 18:00 |
| mdbooth | That way, we don't have to do this dance to check if something's a rescue image all over the place | 18:00 |
| * mdbooth moves | 18:00 | |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 18:00:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-09-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-09-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-09-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 19:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone. who's here? | 19:00 |
| elambert | o/ | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | no, Who's on first | 19:01 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: indeed he is | 19:01 |
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| acoles | here | 19:01 |
| dfg | hey | 19:01 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'm impressed you've started getting up early for us :-) | 19:01 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started | 19:02 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, and am mostly awake :P | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | a few things to go over this week | 19:02 |
| notmyname | portante is alive! ;-) | 19:02 |
| portante | :) | 19:02 |
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| portante | poison ivy hasn't killed me yet | 19:02 |
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| peluse_ | howdy | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic old reviews and auto-abandons [torgomatic] | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: you were looking in to this. can you give a summary and update? | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | so we used to have a bot that would kill these things off for us | 19:03 |
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| portante | do we know what happened to that bot? | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | after N weeks with a negative score (either Jenkins or people), it'd get abandoned... N was either 1 or 2, I don't recall | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | after the Gerrit upgrade, that bot was deliberately killed by the infra folks | 19:03 |
| * portante remembers 2 | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ah, interesting. did they say why? | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | now, core team members can abandon/WIP any patch... before, it was only the patch author | 19:04 |
| notmyname | oh | 19:04 |
| mattoliverau | Cores have more powers now and can abandon things | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | so now that humans can do it, the bot is gone | 19:04 |
| portante | oh | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so humans are replacing robots in this brave new future? | 19:04 |
| peluse_ | that seems like technology going the wrong way :) | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:04 |
| * torgomatic liked the bot | 19:04 | |
| * portante is now a bot | 19:04 | |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:05 |
| * peluse_ would like to be abandoned | 19:05 | |
| * portante or a cylon | 19:05 | |
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| clayg | dfg! | 19:05 |
| portante | torgomatic: do you want to reinstate a bot for swift reviews? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | ok, so what do we do then? add filters to our view of gerrit (I know how to do that)? | 19:05 |
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| torgomatic | I think we should go back to automatic abandons of old things, whether that's done by a bot or by a person armed with copy+paste | 19:06 |
| notmyname | accept that cores need to click more buttons to keep the gerrit views cleaner? | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | but it should be a simple, time-based rule that's applied fairly, like the bot used to | 19:06 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm actually heading over to Germany this weekend to goto the infra mid-cycle, did you want me to bring this up and complain? I can be pretty whiny when need to be :) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ie "I'm abandoning this patch because it hasn't had any activity in the two weeks since the last negative review"? | 19:07 |
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| torgomatic | mattoliverau: sure | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: exactly that sort of thing | 19:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: the concern is keeping more patches around that have been essentially abandoned by their owners | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | it does sond stupid! it would be better if projects could opt out of the bit | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | sound even | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | bot as well.. did I mention I'm 1/2 alseep :P | 19:09 |
| notmyname | are there any concerns with, until mattoliverau get's to GER, letting cores abandon stuff? | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | none here | 19:09 |
| notmyname | portante: dfg: clayg: peluse_: torgomatic: acoles? | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | nope... how about a 2-week (14-day) threshold? | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I think 2 weeks is good | 19:09 |
| portante | not problem by me, a 2 week would be good | 19:10 |
| acoles | sounds reasonable | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | great | 19:10 |
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| mattoliverau | Let me know if there is anything else I can fight for for swift while I'm there :) | 19:10 |
| * portante thinks it was 1 originally, now that he thought about it, but would rather 2 | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | #agreed mattoliverau will ask at the -infra meetup about getting the bot again, and in the meantime cores will manually abandon patches 2 weeks after a negative review | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:11 |
| acoles | it used to be that WIP would not be abandoned, I think, even if Jenkins had -1 | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient release | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ya, IMO WIP is just "there" | 19:11 |
| acoles | yeah. move on :) | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to make another release of python-swiftclient after we get the storage policies support added | 19:12 |
| notmyname | open patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-swiftclient,n,z | 19:12 |
| notmyname | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73920/ is the only patch that needs to land | 19:12 |
| notmyname | are there others that should land before a swiftclient release? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: I really want the keystone v3 support before the juno release, but that can come after a release supporting SP (IMO) | 19:13 |
| notmyname | wait, why hasn't https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102510/ landed? | 19:13 |
| acoles | notmyname: was about to say...would make me hapy to see that land soon | 19:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: ya, me too | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | dunno... it seems to have the requisite number of checkmarks | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | there | 19:14 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:14 |
| cschwede | notmyname: acoles: +1 for the keystone v3 patch | 19:14 |
| notmyname | just checking if there were other concerns on it. I didn't see anything | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | ok, anything else needed for swiftclient before a release? | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | beyond being able to set storage policies? | 19:15 |
| acoles | cschwede: thanks for the review btw, if you get chance could you look at the latest version (small changes) | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | FWIW, I like the tempurl support one (the concept) and torgomatic sold me on the concept of the SwiftService one (but that one is _huge_) | 19:16 |
| cschwede | acoles: np, you’re welcome - just noticed the small changes, was wondering where my +2 has gone :) | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | yeah, the SwiftService one is nice, but the API is still a little under discussion... I'd like that one to land, but not for the next release | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | that way there'll be a little time to tweak the API before it goes out to the world | 19:17 |
| notmyname | but I'll take silence for other patches before a release to mean that jsut getting the one to set a storage policy is all that's needed ;-) | 19:17 |
| clayg | torgomatic: that swiftclient help chagne did add a weird regression with 'swift info --help' vs. 'swift capabilities --help' | 19:17 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ack | 19:17 |
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| acoles | clayg: yeah, i wasn't sure about that | 19:18 |
| notmyname | hmm mark isn't here. maybe we can bug him to fix that, clayg | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | clayg: you want me to not approve that one, then? | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: well, clayg did give a +2 with that comment ;-) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: can you ask mark to submit another patch to fix it? | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | (unless clayg wants to stop the merge train right now) | 19:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: yeah, or i will push over | 19:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: thansk | 19:19 |
| clayg | no no no, it's fine | 19:19 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:19 |
| clayg | but that's one more patch that should go in before the release or whatever | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | ok, I'll do nothing. easier done than said! | 19:19 |
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| acoles | actually what would folks think of swift help <command> rather than swift <command> --help to avoid regression | 19:20 |
| clayg | acctually I did want to ask why we can't use argparse - either as py27 or a depends if we still care about py26 on that repo (i'm guessing yes?) | 19:20 |
| acoles | (Small regresssion mind you) | 19:20 |
| clayg | acoles: very small | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ok, I think that wraps it up for swiftclient patches for the next release. everyone go review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73920/ | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | clayg: yep, we still care about py26 | 19:20 |
| clayg | notmyname: well and the other patch we're discussing to fix the bug torgomatic just merged :P | 19:20 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: "the" bug? that seems overly optimistic! ;) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | right :-) | 19:21 |
| clayg | torgomatic: so do we care about an argparse depends for py26? | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | clayg: I don't | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I'm ok with moving to using argparse | 19:22 |
| clayg | ok, well that would be betterish | 19:22 |
| notmyname | thus adding the dependency to py26 | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:23 |
| clayg | i think it would just be a dependency, like even if your're running py27 you still install it or something... idk | 19:23 |
| clayg | anyway, that thing would be better with argparse - so maybe we do that at somepoint | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | I wanted to go over the sections of the priority review page | 19:24 |
| clayg | acoles: if you have an idea for the help fix please catch me offline or w/e | 19:24 |
| notmyname | so from the top.... | 19:24 |
| notmyname | how's the review dashboard working for you? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: I think you had some concern that "not everything" is shown? | 19:24 |
| acoles | clayg: ack | 19:24 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: have you looked in to what's not shown and why it's not? | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: nope, haven't figured out why... I just star things that I care about and find them that way | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:25 |
| notmyname | should we add a starred section? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | (either you're perfectly happy or left speechless at the horribleness of it) | 19:26 |
| * torgomatic is indifferent | 19:26 | |
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| mattoliverau | I like it, but it would be nice if it showed changes you haven't reviewed yet and changes what have new patchsets (so again haven't reviewed) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think I saw some filters for that somewhere... | 19:27 |
| notmyname | looking at what's open, I'd like to see some feedback on the specs. we've got 2 submitted, but no comments. and peluse_ will be submitting one soon for the EC work | 19:28 |
| mattoliverau | I've have some filters that kind of do it.. I should just polish em up a bit... hopefully | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ie it's good to give feedback to people planning some bigger stuff, and if we can't do it for active devs, we wont' do it well for new contributors | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | ok, looking at the other stuff on the priority review page... | 19:30 |
| notmyname | the case changing behavior in eventlet. important for the swift3 middleware and makes use of a feature added to a new version of eventlet https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93780/ | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | needs another +2 to land, but are there any major concerns about this patch? | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | please say yes, no, or don't know | 19:31 |
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| torgomatic | no | 19:31 |
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| mattoliverau | no | 19:32 |
| notmyname | I just want to quickly go throught the patches listed to see if there is anything major outstanding on them | 19:32 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: mattoliverau: well you two have actually reviewed it and said lgtm ;-) | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | ... | 19:33 |
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| mattoliverau | I assume others are in the process of reviewing :) | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | perhaps. I'm really just curious what people think about it high level now. saying "I don't know" is ok | 19:34 |
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| elambert | dont know :-) | 19:35 |
| notmyname | elambert: :-) thanks | 19:35 |
| cschwede | notmyname: no major concern from my side, lgtm | 19:36 |
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| acoles | just ttok a quick look and seems reasonable | 19:36 |
| acoles | took | 19:36 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | we've already looked at the next 2 sections. now for the performance section of the priority reviews page | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75941/ needs to be rebased (adds mutlithreds to object updater) | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | anyone know Alex's IRC nick? | 19:37 |
| portante | Alex_Gaynor? | 19:37 |
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| torgomatic | that's the one | 19:38 |
| notmyname | not Alex Pecoraro | 19:38 |
| notmyname | s/not/no/ | 19:38 |
| notmyname | author of that patch | 19:38 |
| cschwede | apecdown? | 19:38 |
| zaitcev | Not sure what exactly the test tests in 93780 | 19:38 |
| zaitcev | Huh I'm late to the party as usual. | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: thanks for looking :-) | 19:39 |
| notmyname | I'l try to get in touch with Alex to rebase. or I'll rebase it and push it up | 19:39 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: anything on the zero copy patch? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | or any questions on the zero copy patch? | 19:40 |
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| torgomatic | the GET patch is ready; the PUT patch still needs some benchmarks, though now that I've beaten $internal_cluster into submission I can see about getting those | 19:40 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:41 |
| torgomatic | or if anyone else wants to try it out on their hardware, that would be great :) | 19:41 |
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| portante | torgomatic: both are in my best laid plans ... :( | 19:41 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: anything needed to be brought up about the reconciler patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:master+topic:multi-reconciler,n,z | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | clayg: other than "go review them" ? | 19:43 |
| clayg | no it's fine | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:44 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: had a couple of comments on one of the patches that i'm still milling over | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:44 |
| notmyname | that's all I wanted to cover about what's on the priority reviews page | 19:44 |
| notmyname | also, just to experiment with this meeting to see if a walkthrough of patches would be usefule | 19:45 |
| clayg | might be nice to have a quick glance at them on 103779 | 19:45 |
| mattoliverau | clayg I just noticed you had responded to some of my questions (this morning), thanks.. will read them when my brain it a little more awake :) | 19:45 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: no worries, thatnks for looking at it | 19:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: seemd ok to me! | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting | 19:46 |
| gvernik | I would like to ask cores to review those: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90016/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90066/. It resolves two bugs and stuck with reviews for a long long time. | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: looking | 19:46 |
| gvernik | thanks | 19:47 |
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| clayg | gvernik: both of those titles sound reasonable | 19:47 |
| notmyname | gvernik: can you check that they still rebase properly? | 19:47 |
| clayg | gvernik: but they both have -1's on them currently? | 19:47 |
| gvernik | yes, i got some remarks, responded to them immedeately and it's not reviewed anymore. I can rebase them again | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: on the first one, you've got a -1 from cschwede. cschwede can you respond by either removing the -1 or stating that you still have a -1 there? | 19:48 |
| cschwede | clayg: gvernik: i think these -1 need some discussions, would be good to have some more eyes on them | 19:48 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: same with you for the second | 19:48 |
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| mattoliverau | Sure I'll make sure I revisit it today :) | 19:49 |
| clayg | cschwede: werd, i'm looking through the comments now | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 19:49 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yep, will review both of them tomorrow morning | 19:49 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | that way it's clear (to the author and others) that it's still an issue and not just a "reviewer abandonded" thing | 19:49 |
| acoles | i'll try to take alook tomorrow | 19:49 |
| notmyname | thanks acoles | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: as you've experienced (unfortunately), we struggle with giving timely feedback. I hope we're getting better, but thanks for bringing those up | 19:50 |
| mattoliverau | maybe a starred section of the dash board is a good idea :) | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | I'm hoping that the dashboard capability can help | 19:50 |
| clayg | gvernik: also 90066 doesn't have any tests | 19:51 |
| notmyname | and I've still got the "core sponsors" concept on my todo list that we talked about in atlanta | 19:51 |
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| peluse_ | cool | 19:52 |
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| clayg | wait, max_container_per_account is a config option? | 19:52 |
| gvernik | clayg: i will rebase it and add tests. no problem, thought it doesn't need tests | 19:52 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 19:52 |
| acoles | notmyname: cool if you can get like mercedes to sponsor us all :) | 19:52 |
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| clayg | portante: is there such a thing as a change that doesn't need tests? | 19:52 |
| notmyname | acoles: wait what? | 19:52 |
| portante | no | 19:53 |
| portante | :) | 19:53 |
| mattoliverau | I wanted to say, If anyone thinks of anything they want me to bring up / fight for at the infra midcycle, let me know :) | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks. that's next week? | 19:53 |
| acoles | notmyname: 'core sponsors' - sorry, clearly lame joke on my part | 19:53 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah. I like that a _lot_ better! | 19:53 |
| clayg | and.... we digress | 19:53 |
| cschwede | acoles: i like the idea ;) | 19:53 |
| mattoliverau | yup, so have a long flight ahead of me, and more jetlag!! | 19:53 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: in january there was talk about limiting the duplicate test runs in jenkins. it would be nice to ask about that | 19:54 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: ok noted :) | 19:54 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:54 |
| notmyname | I think we're good then | 19:54 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for attending | 19:55 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| peluse_ | later | 19:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 19:55:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-09-19.00.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-09-19.00.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-09-19.00.log.html | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: have fun in the rest of your all-day meeting ;-) | 19:55 |
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