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| jorgem | hey lbaas folks | 13:59 |
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| blogan | hello | 13:59 |
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| ptoohill | hello | 13:59 |
| jorgem | about to start the meeting here in a sec | 13:59 |
| rm_work | o/ | 13:59 |
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| jorgem | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 10 13:59:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 13:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 14:00 |
| rm_work | yo | 14:00 |
| vjay | hi | 14:00 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:00 |
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| blogan | \o/ | 14:00 |
| crc32 | (y) | 14:00 |
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| sballe | blogan, lol | 14:00 |
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| jorgem | Anything else people wanted to add to the agenda? | 14:01 |
| jorgem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Agenda | 14:01 |
| jorgem | there are only 3 items :/ | 14:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Morning! | 14:02 |
| jorgem | Morning | 14:02 |
| dougwig | there are worse things in life than a quick meeting. | 14:02 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:02 |
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| jorgem | Okay well let's start with the first item | 14:02 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:02 |
| jorgem | #topic Paris summit talks | 14:02 |
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| jorgem | Susanne? | 14:02 |
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| sballe | jorgem, thx. | 14:03 |
| jorgem | From the ML I'm not sure if we need to go in real depth on this | 14:03 |
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| jorgem | but let's get the conversation started at least | 14:03 |
| sballe | I just wanted to make everybody aware of the apporachign deadline of July 28 | 14:03 |
| sballe | and wanted to see if we wanted to coordinates talks | 14:03 |
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| ctracey | morning all | 14:04 |
| blogan | sballe: didnt markmcclain something about design meetigs having a much later deadline? | 14:04 |
| blogan | say | 14:04 |
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| sballe | I see several talks taht could be interesting to submit and just wanted to sync-up with you on who wants to do what | 14:04 |
| samuelbercovici | hello! | 14:04 |
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| sballe | blogan, yes I belive so. I am talking about the talks | 14:04 |
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| blogan | sballe: ah okay | 14:05 |
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| sballe | Call for Speakers Open | 14:05 |
| sballe | Posted: July 4 | 14:05 |
| sballe | Would you like to speak at the November OpenStack Summit in Paris? | 14:05 |
| sballe | Submit your talks HERE! | 14:05 |
| sballe | There are several new speaking tracks for the Paris Summit so please review the list of tracks closely before you submit a talk. | 14:05 |
| sballe | Don't wait - the deadline to submit talks is July 28 at 11:59pm CDT. | 14:05 |
| sballe | Fromthe website | 14:05 |
| samuelbercovici | you mean the summit talk not the dve summit sessions, right? | 14:06 |
| dougwig | link? | 14:06 |
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| dougwig | i think she just dropped. | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: Yes | 14:06 |
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| samuelbercovici | so is there a list of proposed subjects? | 14:07 |
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| sballe | ok I am back | 14:07 |
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| johnsom | https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/call-for-speakers/ | 14:07 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/call-for-speakers/ | 14:07 |
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| juliancash | Beat me pasting link by 1 sec. :-) | 14:07 |
| dougwig | got me while tabbed out and copying. :) | 14:08 |
| sballe | I am interested in submitting a talk on Octavia and Stephen is interested in being a co-presented. | 14:08 |
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| samuelbercovici | Octavia, is the HA proxy backend solution, right? | 14:08 |
| jorgem | sballe: Sounds good to me? Is the only talk on your mind? | 14:09 |
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| sballe | we should submit more. | 14:09 |
| sballe | Octavia is the operator scale LBaaS driver | 14:09 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: it's effectively an haproxy+servicevm backend. | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | There are some pretty radical changes in store for Neutron LBaaS this session (or, rather, will hopefully come to fruition by the release). So having a talk on Neutron LBaaS is not a bad idea. | 14:09 |
| sballe | samuelbercovici, ^^ | 14:09 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, I agree | 14:09 |
| samuelbercovici | I think that discussing the new lbaas API and roadmap makes also sense | 14:09 |
| sballe | Especially around the Barbican integration | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed | 14:10 |
| sballe | samuelbercovici, I agree. | 14:10 |
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| crc32 | yea too bad we don't have funding. | 14:10 |
| sballe | crc32, You guys are not going? | 14:10 |
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| sbalukoff | Even if you get a talk proposal accepted? | 14:11 |
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| samuelbercovici | I am willing to discuss the TLS / L7, blogan, would you like to discuss core and doug, driver? so we will propose a joint session for the three of us on this... | 14:11 |
| jorgem | So…just FYI we, the Rackspace LBaaS team, will most likely not be able to attend in person because of our "budget". We had to pull teeth just to go to Atlanta. We shall see because a lot of Rackers are upset about this. | 14:11 |
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| crc32 | yea or rather lack of budget. | 14:11 |
| jorgem | #embarrassing lol | 14:12 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: i would love to, but per what jorgem just said, i will probably only be around in etherpad spirit | 14:12 |
| s3wong | sbalukoff: crc32: talk proposal accepted gets us free admission, but of course you still have to pay for the trip on your own | 14:12 |
| jorgem | Anyways, we would probably need someone to represent our team if we can't find other Rackers to do so. | 14:12 |
| crc32 | we got ATC codes already so its free already. | 14:12 |
| samuelbercovici | dougwig: will you attend? | 14:12 |
| dougwig | yes, i will be there. i'm happy to speak, though i'm an introvert and tend to avoid it like the plague. :) | 14:13 |
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| jorgem | Okay so I have sballe and sbalukoff marked for a talk on Octavia correct? | 14:14 |
| sballe | yes. here is the list: | 14:14 |
| sballe | Proposed talks: | 14:14 |
| sballe | * Octavia: sballe, sbalukoff | 14:14 |
| sballe | * New LbaaS and roadmaps: | 14:14 |
| sballe | * TLS/L7, Core, driver, samuelbercovici, dougwig, blogan | 14:14 |
| jorgem | And for Neutron LBaaS? I'm just trying to take notes | 14:14 |
| samuelbercovici | so.. I can for now porpose a tlak on LBaaS new API, what was done for Juno and what are the next steps, I will add anyone willing to this and can always modify the speakers when we get to the date | 14:14 |
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| jorgem | duly noted | 14:14 |
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| markmcclain | jorgem: don't forget that the foundation has a travel assistance program | 14:15 |
| ctracey | samuelbercovici ++ | 14:15 |
| sballe | samuelbercovici, is sounds like topic and 2 and 3 merge into one. right | 14:15 |
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| blogan | we need welfare to go to paris | 14:15 |
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| jorgem | markmcclain: You know if our team used that then maybe our company would get it together on this budget thing. ha! | 14:15 |
| sballe | Proposed talks: | 14:16 |
| sballe | * Octavia: sballe, sbalukoff | 14:16 |
| sballe | * New LbaaS and roadmaps, * TLS/L7, Core, driver, samuelbercovici, dougwig, blogan | 14:16 |
| crc32 | I was wanted to talk TLS but what ever. :( | 14:16 |
| juliancash | This isn't directly lbaas related and not something that should be chatted about here, but I'll likely propose doing this as a "talk" in Paris if I can be given a room. http://auroralightportraits.com/ | 14:16 |
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| samuelbercovici | crc32: will you be able to travel? | 14:17 |
| sballe | crc32, please contribute to the talk even if you cannot attend. | 14:17 |
| crc32 | I'll have to take out another loan. A big one. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | Alright we have a list of topics. Pending travel plans, let's pick speakers later? | 14:17 |
| dougwig | the rackspacers need to have a giant bake sale in the empty half of their mall or something. :) | 14:17 |
| blogan | dougwig: thats what i was just saying, and a car wash | 14:17 |
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| sballe | dougwig, lol | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | but please not a topless car wash. | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | Just sayin' | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 14:18 |
| jorgem | Who wants to volunteer to schedule these talks? sballe? | 14:18 |
| crc32 | I could dump all my stock. | 14:18 |
| ctracey | schedule? | 14:18 |
| sballe | jorgem, yes I can coordinate | 14:18 |
| jorgem | awesome thanks | 14:18 |
| sballe | The authors will have to submit them | 14:18 |
| sballe | and I;ll remind them | 14:18 |
| jorgem | #action sballe to coordinate setting up talks for Paris summit with authors/speakers | 14:18 |
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| jorgem | Alright. Next topic | 14:19 |
| jorgem | #topic Code Reviews | 14:19 |
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| sballe | markmcclain, I will work with you to pick the best categories if necessary | 14:19 |
| jorgem | Who wants to kick this off? I know Brandon's 5k line commit got broken into several commits | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | sballe: sounds good | 14:20 |
| jorgem | Also, it is a dependency for other bps | 14:20 |
| jorgem | Does anyone have any questions or concerns on this? | 14:20 |
| johnsom | Overall I would like to see more comments in the submitted code | 14:20 |
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| dougwig | i think we need to spin another etherpad with the current list, and just keep reminding people to look (the original has a mid cycle name.) if the feedback cycles get too long, the review time can be weeks. | 14:21 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: What is the practice on coments in Neutron? | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, we need more people to review (and yes, just back from vacation, so I'll be jumping on that in the next couple days, too.) | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 14:21 |
| dougwig | #action dougwig new review etherpad | 14:21 |
| blogan | johnsom: i got lazy on the commenting in the rush to get this in, and to use a terrible excuse, it wasn't commented any more in the old version | 14:22 |
| jorgem | #action dougwig to link review etherpad on Neutron LBaaS wiki page | 14:22 |
| dlundquist | Is it still the plan for Juno to update remove the v1 LBaaS persistance layer and route it to the v2 persistence layer and plugin | 14:22 |
| jorgem | dougwig: ;) | 14:22 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: comments in code or comments on code? | 14:22 |
| dlundquist | it -> v1 lbaas API | 14:22 |
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| dougwig | amusingly, hold off on the current first review right now, as it had a jenkins failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331/ | 14:23 |
| blogan | dlundquist, I don't think so | 14:23 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: I guess both? johnsom what were you thinking of? | 14:23 |
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| blogan | dougwig: that failed because of a tempest test failing with floating ips, i think that was just a fluke, i need to make jenkins rerun | 14:23 |
| johnsom | markmcclain: I was commenting on the lack of comments in the code | 14:23 |
| dlundquist | blogan: in that case we will need to merge the two persistence layers at a later point | 14:23 |
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| blogan | dlundquist: lets talk about that after the meeting so i understand you fully | 14:24 |
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| markmcclain | johnsom: yeah… ideally the code structure should lend itself to making most comments unnecessary | 14:25 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 14:25 |
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| jorgem | +1 | 14:25 |
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| sbalukoff | ...but not all comments? Please, let's document intent! | 14:25 |
| markmcclain | generally when I see code and my first thought is that it needs comments, that's probably a sign the structure is wrong | 14:25 |
| crc32 | markmcclain where you ever able to review the TLS blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/? | 14:25 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: a bit of intent in the method doc is nice | 14:25 |
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| blogan | my philosophy is to comment in code when its not obvious what the code is doing, however with extensions and service plugins it is not obvious how things are getting loaded until you know how the extensions and service plugins work | 14:26 |
| markmcclain | also well named methods/vars help too | 14:26 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Agreed. | 14:26 |
| sballe | blogan, +1 | 14:26 |
| markmcclain | blogan: yeah we're working to ripe out the ext loading magic | 14:26 |
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| markmcclain | most folks just recite the magic incantation not knowing what it really does | 14:26 |
| jorgem | blogan: Also agree. Current codebase makes certain items a little confusing. | 14:26 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: +! | 14:26 |
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| johnsom | Yes, providing context for the component is helpful for folks new to the code base | 14:27 |
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| sballe | johnsom, +1 | 14:27 |
| jorgem | So… blogan I guess possibly add comments on codebase that isn't properly decomposed, etc. (not necessarily your fault)? | 14:28 |
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| jorgem | johnsom: Also could you identify areas in review? | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | markmcclain: we need your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/ | 14:28 |
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| dougwig | jorgem: comments are kind of a holy war, and what is too many to some is too few to others. i'm not sure there's a concrete action to be had there. | 14:28 |
| blogan | johnsom: i have a feeling you're confusion, along with everyone else's, is the magical extension loading | 14:29 |
| blogan | *your | 14:29 |
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| johnsom | Yes, I will try to point some out as I review | 14:29 |
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| dougwig | that'd be a good approach | 14:29 |
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| jorgem | dougwig: I agree, perhaps have johnsom and blogan sync up in IRC when johnsom is reviewing then :/ | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | samuelbercovici: yes that is in my queue (I am at the mid-cycle sprint this week) | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | #action Need markmcclain to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/ | 14:30 |
| samuelbercovici | dougwig: blogan: whats you emails? I am loggin us to a talk as we IRC... | 14:31 |
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| dougwig | dougw at a10networks.com | 14:31 |
| blogan | main point is getting the refactor reviews in. I may have made assumptions that we did not agree on so look over it carefully and let me know | 14:31 |
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| blogan | samuelbercovici: brandon.logan@rackspace.com | 14:31 |
| TrevorV | o/ uber late :D | 14:31 |
| jorgem | #action Need markmcclain to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100931/ | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I noticed a couple of those already. But so far they weren't egregious enough for me to -1 stuff. :) | 14:32 |
| * markmcclain is collecting lots of actions this morning | 14:32 | |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Kyle already reviewed these, but we need another core reviewer :) | 14:32 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: you could comment and let me know and there might be a method to my madness | 14:32 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Sorry! Either you or another core reviewer. | 14:32 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: But of course we prefer you :) | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Will do. | 14:32 |
| blogan | markmcclain: i think its time for the beach and bourbon | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: it's fine they're on my radar | 14:32 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:33 |
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| sballe | lol | 14:33 |
| markmcclain | blogan: it is.. I'll be in FL next week | 14:33 |
| dougwig | blogan needs to feel the joy of double-digit patch sets. bring forth the comment nits! | 14:33 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: The main concern is meeting the deadline of the 20th. | 14:33 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Is there anything we can do to help you in this regard? | 14:33 |
| blogan | dougwig: ill feel i will hit the 3 digit threshold | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: I expect we'll get them done on time | 14:34 |
| sbalukoff | Other than assuring you you have our undying gratitude? :D | 14:34 |
| dougwig | blogan: it's good to have goals. | 14:34 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Awesome. Thanks for your assurance. | 14:34 |
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| * mestery will poke markmcclain for the next two days. | 14:35 | |
| dougwig | whoa, whoa, get a room. | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | haha | 14:35 |
| mestery | dougwig: Naughty naughty. | 14:35 |
| vjay | I see 2 code reviews on the v2 work, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105607/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331/. I havent looked closely, but they have the same review commit message text. What is the difference? | 14:35 |
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| * TrevorV dougwig is a little jelly methinks | 14:35 | |
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| samuelbercovici | ok. doung brandon, I have registered us for a talk | 14:36 |
| blogan | vjay: that was me being stupid, i abandoned the 105607 one | 14:36 |
| jorgem | vjay: One is abandoned? | 14:36 |
| samuelbercovici | opps.. doug | 14:36 |
| sballe | samuelbercovici, Great! | 14:37 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: ty | 14:37 |
| jorgem | Okay, any other review related items? | 14:37 |
| jorgem | If not, I'll move on to next topic | 14:37 |
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| jorgem | #topic Shim vs. Agent Refactor | 14:38 |
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| jorgem | blogan if you would please. | 14:38 |
| blogan | i sent an email about it yesterday and it was long but the shim is going to take a lot of work and so will the agent refactor, the shim is only temporary the agent refactor is permenant | 14:38 |
| jorgem | *the calm before the storm* | 14:38 |
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| dougwig | i meant to send a longer reply to the ML last night, but got derailed. forgive the splat, but here were my thoughts from the lbaas channel yesterday: i saw it, still percolating a reply. i mean, you're right. but you'll make the transition rather lumpy with horizon. it'll go from one set of vendor drivers working (the old ones), to another set (the new | 14:39 |
| dougwig | ones), and i doubt they'll match. add to that the uncertainty of when horizon catches up, and it gets less fun. but the corner cases are madness. fwiw, i had been thinking of just chucking exceptions in the corner cases, and letting the 95% common cases work for the older drivers. | 14:39 |
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| blogan | also, the shim doesn't seem like it will work with the agent correctly if the v1 api and v2 api are both live | 14:39 |
| blogan | yikes dougwig | 14:39 |
| dougwig | sorry :) | 14:39 |
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| blogan | dougwig: so I found out something new last night and its that the agent probably won't work with the shim when v1 and v2 are both active | 14:40 |
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| blogan | though ill spend more time on it to see if i can work around it | 14:40 |
| dougwig | what drivers use the agent besides haproxy? | 14:41 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: If there's not a way around it, does this imply that agent refactor is the only option if we want both v1 and v2 active? | 14:41 |
| blogan | none that i know of, unless there are some that dont live in the current tree | 14:41 |
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| dougwig | so maybe we just shim the non-agent drivers? | 14:41 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: well basically a v2 agent | 14:41 |
| blogan | dougwig: yes that was a possibility | 14:41 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: That's what I mean. | 14:41 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: well i mean the v1 agent and v2 agent would both still live, but yes if this can't be worked aroudn then it would need a v2 agent | 14:42 |
| sbalukoff | Aah. Ok. | 14:42 |
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| blogan | so if it comes down to doing the agent refactor and shim, then which one is priority? | 14:43 |
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| blogan | btw sorry for always having a new issue every week and sort flip flopping on what to do, but a lot of this you just odnt know until you actually dive into the code and test it out | 14:44 |
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| dlundquist | Another alternative is parallel v1 and v2 agents and haproxy drivers | 14:44 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds like the highest priority is to determine whether what you discovered last night is certainly true. | 14:44 |
| dougwig | well, the ref implementation is the priority. and if the shim is just for agent-less stuff, i think it gets simpler? (and i should have cycles to help starting next week.) | 14:44 |
| blogan | dlundquist: that is the only way to do it, bc v1 still needs to work with the namespace driver | 14:44 |
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| dlundquist | blogan: so the refactor you talk of is is a parallel implementation | 14:45 |
| dougwig | dlundquist: yes | 14:45 |
| sbalukoff | ...which should be cleaner in any case. | 14:45 |
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| blogan | dlundquist: well just leaving the v1 agent alone, and create a v2 agent based off the v1 agent but using the v2 object models | 14:46 |
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| samuelbercovici | I think that parlele v1 and v2 would be the easiest. | 14:46 |
| dlundquist | blogan: we are going to need to go down that route sooner or later in order to expose new functionality that can not be expressed in the v1 object model | 14:46 |
| samuelbercovici | also, I would prefer to get the v2 running in paralel as 1st priority and get the shim layers as 2nd phase if needed | 14:46 |
| blogan | i agree with the parallel, and v2 agent being priority | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: +1 I think that's probably the quickest path to success here, too. | 14:47 |
| jorgem | samuelbercovici: I thought that was the priority? | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Reconfirmed, then. :) | 14:47 |
| blogan | dlundquist: yes i agree | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | well... that code tryies to already address portions of it and I think it make sense to clean this up | 14:48 |
| jorgem | Sounds good to me? | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | :D | 14:48 |
| jorgem | I mean "Sounds good to me!" | 14:48 |
| samuelbercovici | so getting clean v2 would be a priority | 14:48 |
| jorgem | lol, I'm Ron Burgundy? My bad | 14:49 |
| blogan | ok its settled then | 14:49 |
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| blogan | unless there are any other objections? | 14:49 |
| ctracey | parallel ++ | 14:49 |
| dougwig | usually we wait for you to write a few thousand more lines, then object to yourself. | 14:49 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:49 |
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| blogan | dougwig: lol | 14:49 |
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| blogan | im a walking contradiction | 14:50 |
| jorgem | I was rooting for 10k | 14:50 |
| vjay | On the TLS blueprint I want to raise a minor point. If there is nothing else i want to go now. | 14:50 |
| jorgem | vjay: By all mean | 14:50 |
| crc32 | what? | 14:50 |
| jorgem | s | 14:50 |
| vjay | SNI part currently says the backend will look into SCN and SAN, during domain match. I feel the most common use case is to match the domain name against the common name (SCN) field of the certificate | 14:50 |
| samuelbercovici | so also getting a new namespace ha proxy driver that runs in paralele to exsiting one instead of trying to fix existing one should be agreed upon, right? | 14:50 |
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| jorgem | #topic Remaining Items | 14:51 |
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| dougwig | samuelbercovici: i think it was, yes. | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: Yes, wildcard certs are less common than single domain certs. | 14:51 |
| crc32 | SubjectCommon name or CommonName from the altSubjectName. We have 3 points of entry. | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: But we can't ignore SAN, to. | 14:51 |
| samuelbercovici | it is clear that the way different backends treat this is unclear.... | 14:52 |
| crc32 | SubjectCN altSubjectDNSname and x509Names in subject altNameExt. | 14:52 |
| vjay | samuelbercovici: exactly, could we mention that in the spec | 14:52 |
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| samuelbercovici | i though that we kind of tried to | 14:52 |
| samuelbercovici | specificaly, any case of over lap and priority beween the fields is backend dependant | 14:53 |
| crc32 | we did. We originally wanted to have a host field associated with the TLS container but some one thought it'd be a good idea to extract info from the cert. | 14:53 |
| samuelbercovici | what the api supports ia ordered list | 14:54 |
| vjay | i think overlap and priority comes in only when SAN is used. There cannot be 2 certificates attached to the same listener with clashing common names | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | crc32 is right: One party wanted to go with a priority list instead. | 14:54 |
| vjay | atleast that is my knowledge | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: Actually, you can do that. :P | 14:54 |
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| crc32 | thats what SNI is. multiple certs on the listener | 14:54 |
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| sbalukoff | vjay: And they can overlap on names. :P | 14:54 |
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| sbalukoff | vjay: Though it is stupid and rare, we do occasionally see this. | 14:55 |
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| samuelbercovici | vjay, not true, theoreticaly it make sense to have same SAN with for example differen expiration dates | 14:55 |
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| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: Or different key lengths. | 14:55 |
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| samuelbercovici1 | I think it may come to not having a concensus on how different backent support such a rare case | 14:56 |
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| sbalukoff | We have consensus, even if it's not what many prefer: We went with the priority list. | 14:57 |
| jorgem | vjay: Can you start a thread on the ML for your concerns? | 14:57 |
| jorgem | We only have 2 mins left | 14:57 |
| vjay | yes | 14:57 |
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| vjay | i will start on the ML | 14:57 |
| jorgem | #action vjay to start ML thread on TLS blueprint concerns | 14:58 |
| samuelbercovici1 | ok | 14:58 |
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| jorgem | vjay: thx | 14:58 |
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| jorgem | Alright, well I think that's it for today then everyone | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks, y'all! | 14:58 |
| dougwig | later | 14:58 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:58 |
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| samuelbercovici1 | bye | 14:58 |
| jorgem | If you haven't filled out standup please do when you get a chance! | 14:58 |
| jorgem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-lbaas-weekly-standup | 14:58 |
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| vjay | bye | 14:58 |
| jorgem | see you guys | 14:59 |
| jorgem | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 10 14:59:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-10-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-10-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-10-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 10 15:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:00 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:00 |
| nealph | o/ | 15:00 |
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| nsaje | hey guys o/ | 15:01 |
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| cdent | hola | 15:01 |
| KurtRao | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all! | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic Juno-2 status | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-2 | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | my dispatcher BP for Gnocchi is under approval | 15:02 |
| eglynn | ildikov: internal appro? | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| ildikov | unfortunately it is the holiday season of the Swedish guys | 15:02 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yes, of course... | 15:02 |
| eglynn | LOL ... it's always holiday seaon in Sweden ;) | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | internal appro? that sounds weird :) | 15:03 |
| ildikov | so some delay is possible, but I'm really trying to push this through, only the last step is missing | 15:03 |
| * eglynn should up sticks and move to Sweden for all the holidays ... | 15:03 | |
| ildikov | eglynn: yes it is but, now really noone is available there... | 15:03 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: if you like that ugly weather, then totally worth to move ;) | 15:04 |
| ildikov | jd__: thanks for sharing my pain ;) | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | dear core-team, that's j2 and it needs review :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/mongodb-events-feature | 15:04 |
| cdent | I reckon progress on "consume notifications from ironic" has gone from slow to maybe "good" | 15:04 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah it does to such finely-tuned opensource ears as our own ;) | 15:04 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: sure, on my endless list, no worries | 15:04 |
| eglynn | cdent: cool | 15:04 |
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| * jd__ nods | 15:04 | |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, :D | 15:04 |
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| cdent | needs docs and validation of some of the names used | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | cdent: I've just updated | 15:05 |
| cdent | ✓ | 15:05 |
| ildikov | eglynn: BTW the docco status is not that good, I guess I will not sleep much until the j2 deadline... | 15:05 |
| eglynn | OK so at this point it would be great to have a heads-up if anyone's worried about slippage | 15:06 |
| prad | just a reminder, if core reviewers can review my pending spec , I can try getting them partially in for juno-2 | 15:06 |
| prad | specs* | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ildikov: can we divide and conquer on some of the docs work? | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | prad: yep, apols for being remiss on that | 15:06 |
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| ildikov | maybe if there is anyone who's willing to write some admin guide sections | 15:07 |
| prad | np, just wanted those in asap so i can implement those soon | 15:07 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: do you think that any of the SNMP stuff is targetable to juno-2? | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, may we set the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1330989 to some importance? | 15:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1330989 in ceilometer "[Hbase] Source filter doesn't work with _get_columns" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:08 |
| llu-laptop | I'll try my best, but it's risky | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, it's still undecided :( | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I'm not 100% sure how much it would be consistent, I mean the terms we use, how to describe things, etc, so I mean the best is to have the whole text from one author | 15:08 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: great, we can always bump it off to juno-3 if it doesn't make it | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: anyway, I will scream, if I've reached that point | 15:08 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: what importance do you suggest? | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, medium I guess | 15:09 |
| eglynn | ildikov: what format is the docco in, docbook? | 15:09 |
| * eglynn makes it so ... | 15:09 | |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: yeah. i've started though I'm not sure if lsomla is satisfied with the spec or not | 15:09 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I guess, XML-based | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: lsmola is out on vacation for this week and next | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thank you sir :) | 15:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn: we can discuss the status mid-next-week | 15:10 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... then he's off at EuroPython for another week | 15:10 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... so I think you should prolly just go ahead without his explicit appro | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn, ok i'll start first, assuming he won't come back with big suprise for me. :) | 15:10 |
| eglynn | ildikov: cool | 15:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn: and then decide if I need more hands or not | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: thank you sir! | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: cool, if needs be I can try helping get that over the line | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, btw, let's do some polling-tempest fight tomorrow :) | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, how do you look on that? | 15:11 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: ok, tomorrow is fine | 15:11 |
| cdent | ildikov: I'd be intrested in helping some on the docs side of things if that's an option. | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, cool, +1 | 15:11 |
| eglynn | cdent: cool, thank you sir! | 15:12 |
| * jd__ smiled 'cause he reads 'pillow-tempest fight' | 15:12 | |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: at what time is Sean available? | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, about 6-7PM Moscow time he begins being here | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, so smth like this :) | 15:12 |
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| ildikov | cdent: cool, thanks, I will see, how it could work, if I cannot make any good progress with it in the next very few days | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, that's about 3-4UTC | 15:13 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: ok, cool, it's not that late :) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, indeed :) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | sorry for the offtopic, please continue, folks :) | 15:13 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: ping e tomorrow if you think it's time to fight ;) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, np | 15:14 |
| eglynn | so if anyone else has a juno BP that they're sitting on, please try to get the specs proposed by tmrw if at all possible | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ... even just a rough placeholder | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | anything else WRT juno-2? | 15:14 |
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| cdent | just confirmation that the javelin stuff has seen no recent progress, will poke at people early next week | 15:15 |
| eglynn | cdent: thanks | 15:15 |
| eglynn | ok, moving on I guess ... | 15:15 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | jd__: anything to report? | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I owe you a unit test I believe | 15:16 |
| jd__ | I've been implementing the aggregation stuff discussed last week during the sprint | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: yeah that would be really helpful, and thanks for testing btw | 15:16 |
| jd__ | I've been working today on some new shiny features in the indexer | 15:16 |
| jd__ | so things are progressing :) | 15:17 |
| ildikov | BTW, I couldn't figure out why MySQL is not working on the gate | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | and I'm waiting for ildikov and her internal team :D wrt ceilometer integration | 15:17 |
| jd__ | ildikov: I missed that I guess? | 15:17 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... up to now I've just been using a little shell script to hit the API, need to translate that to an in-tree test | 15:17 |
| * DinaBelova working on the opentsdb driver for gnocchi. I believe it'll help to find what shall we do with the api and common classes to be abstract and good enough for three different backends :) | 15:17 | |
| jd__ | cool DinaBelova | 15:17 |
| ildikov | jd__: you can tell it my managers too, if you wish ;) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, lol :D | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: what do the data retention semantics look like for opentsdb? | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, /me still in progress here | 15:18 |
| ildikov | jd__: with the socket included in the URL it cannot connect, otherwise it has authentication problems and locally I have a third issue with the tests with MySQL | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... i.e. the equivalent of the stuff we were talking to pauldix about last week for influx | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... a-ha, cool | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, I keep that in mind | 15:18 |
| ildikov | jd__: more details: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104966/ | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | ildikov: I though the gate was passing? I'll take a look | 15:19 |
| ildikov | jd__: it passed, because all the tests were skipped, because there wasn't any working MySQL connection | 15:19 |
| eglynn | jd__: just for simplicity, would it be easy to have the tests run in-tree against sqlite for the indexer driver? | 15:20 |
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| ildikov | jd__: anyway, I just wanted to have more eyes on it, as I got distracted much this week, so I didn't have enough time to deal with it | 15:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn: sqlite does not support foreignkey so it's not working with Gnocchi as we need that | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | jd__: a-ha k, scratch that so | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | so I just dropped the support for it since it's not really worth it | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | ildikov: I just saw that, my bad I sucked missing that | 15:21 |
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| ildikov | jd__: with MySQL I got AttributeError for with_for_update... | 15:21 |
| cdent | sqlite3.something has foreign keys... | 15:21 |
| jd__ | ildikov: ok I'll fix that | 15:21 |
| jd__ | cdent: so I heard | 15:21 |
| jd__ | cdent: but still not really convinced my effort is going onto that direction anytime soon :D | 15:21 |
| ildikov | jd__: np, if you have time, please check, I will be too busy to fix it this week for sure | 15:21 |
| ildikov | jd__: cool, thanks | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, I guess that's it :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn | #topic Mid-cycle wrap-up | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | it was fun and productive I think :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: thanks for the hospitality! | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, and that amazing french bakery... mmmm | 15:24 |
| jd__ | you're welcome, it was fun having you guys! | 15:24 |
| ildikov | eglynn: +1 | 15:24 |
| ildikov | I want more mid-cycles ;) | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, hehe :D | 15:24 |
| cdent | mid-mid-cycle | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | 1/6th-cycle every month | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | yeah, do folks feel it's something we should aim to do again for Kilo/Kyoto? | 15:24 |
| ildikov | jd__: thanks much, everything was really good! | 15:24 |
| llu-laptop | all logs are at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris-July2014-ceilometer-sprint? | 15:24 |
| jd__ | eglynn: likely | 15:25 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeah, they're a little rough TBH | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop, and in the links published there | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... may not be very coherent, need to be read *cough* forensically | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | k, Paris was fun, but back to reality ... :) | 15:27 |
| eglynn | #topic "The continuing saga of branchless Tempest" | 15:27 |
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| vrovachev | ohhh | 15:27 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I've just read your yesterday's discussion with Joe about the notifications | 15:27 |
| eglynn | so this discussion started up with vrovachev's featureful backport of the cinder snapshot notification support | 15:27 |
| eglynn | I then raised it at the PTLs meeting which led to a long inconclusive discussion | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | ... which we then punted to the ML | 15:28 |
| eglynn | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039733.html | 15:28 |
| eglynn | and as ildikov says, continued on IRC with jogo last night | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | so there are several interleaved threads of thought and lines of reasoning | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | this mailing thread is growing with each minute :( | 15:29 |
| ildikov | eglynn: is there any chance to have a freeze and then very slowly move to one direction with notifications? | 15:29 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: just like what we were talking about on the mid-cycle | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | but in the short term ... seems that Matt is accepting of a test-skipping decorator based on static (i.e. non-discoverable) tempest config | 15:29 |
| eglynn | ildikov: a freeze? | 15:30 |
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| vrovachev | I want to eliminate -1 in Jenkins using api ceilometer(capabilities:storage:production_ready) | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | vrovachev: "eliminate -1 in Jenkins" ==> is that causing CI failures? | 15:31 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn: yes | 15:31 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, in grenade job afair | 15:31 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I just meant that somehow we need to deal with the changing style of notifications and I guess there was a point in your discussion to have a state and versioning, etc | 15:31 |
| vrovachev | DinaBelova: yes :) | 15:32 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: can you explain the background? ... what changes do we need to avoid that failure? | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: yep, if the other projects step up to actually versioning notifications, then that change would impact on consumers such as ourselves and StackTach | 15:33 |
| vrovachev | grenade job runned tempest in master branch for stable icehouse devstack. I can to add skip test, if get API request to apabilities:storage:production_ready is False | 15:33 |
| eglynn | ildikov: ... but it would be to our benefit, right? | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | vrovachev: a-ha, so the same skipping logic as you already put into the main devstack job? | 15:34 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, smth like that | 15:34 |
| vrovachev | eglynn: yes | 15:35 |
| eglynn | ildikov: k, I just didn't get the freeze reference ... i.e. what was being frozen | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, smth like that - that was fixed by the branches in devstack, but here it's an other situation | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | a little bit | 15:35 |
| eglynn | vrovachev, DinaBelova: ok | 15:35 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I still think that it would be much easier to have a some kind of stardized format in the *long-term* future, but still, we have to start at somewhere to even deal with this issue | 15:35 |
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| DinaBelova | although, it might be fixed with the API specs endpoint I've done for the ceilo that time | 15:35 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: ... so on the cinder tests | 15:36 |
| cdent | ildikov: that's basically the same as what I just posted to the thread | 15:36 |
| vrovachev | eglynn: yes, on snapshot notification | 15:36 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: ... does it Matt's proposed "@test.consumed_notifications('volumes', 'snapshot.exists', 'snapshot.create.*', ...)" style of decorator make sense to you? | 15:36 |
| vrovachev | on volume notification all ok :) | 15:36 |
| ildikov | cdent: I'm trying to give this hint to people around for a few months now..., unfortunately it's not that easy as it sounds... :( | 15:36 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: ... i.e. as described in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039819.html | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I guess it'll look nice - esp. if QA is ok with it | 15:37 |
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| ildikov | DinaBelova: +1 | 15:37 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: it sounds like they are, as Matt has given his blessings | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, indeed | 15:37 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: so is that something you could implement so as to avoid the need for the cinder snapshot backport | 15:38 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:38 |
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| DinaBelova | I think that'll work ok, although I'm still interested how to implement that in tempest, as I'm not the specialist. vrovachev - will it be ok for you? | 15:38 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn: I will discuss code style (implemented decorator or skip in test) with Sean and Matthew. Yes, this can avoid the need for the cinder snapshot backport | 15:39 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: excellent! | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | yay :) | 15:40 |
| vrovachev | :) | 15:40 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: ... so with that skipping approach agreed, is it realistic do you think to get the stalled tempest tests landed for juno-2? | 15:40 |
| vrovachev | for cinder and swift - juno 2 | 15:41 |
| vrovachev | for glance - juno 1 | 15:41 |
| eglynn | vrovachev: juno 1 ... do you mean, already landed? | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, also scenario tests (events, alarms) are in progress for j2 | 15:41 |
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| vrovachev | oh, no, for nova - juno 1 :) | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, for nova they're landed | 15:42 |
| vrovachev | for glance juni 2 also | 15:43 |
| vrovachev | juno_ | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova, vrovachev: excellent, so it would really geat to be able to declare victory on the TC gap for tempest in juno-2 :) | 15:43 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, /we are in progress :D | 15:43 |
| eglynn | the other thing WRT testing is ... | 15:43 |
| eglynn | did folks read Sean's magnum opus on that thread? ... http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039733.html | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, indeed :D | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | it is a nice story :) | 15:44 |
| eglynn | particularly the "New Thinking about our validation layers" section | 15:45 |
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| vrovachev | oh, yes... | 15:45 |
| eglynn | ... so it seems the wind is blowing somewhat towards in-tree functional tests outside of tempest | 15:45 |
| cdent | thank god for that | 15:45 |
| eglynn | ... just wondered what folks thought of that idea? | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | cdent approves? | 15:46 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, I just wonder how difficult it'll be to be done | 15:46 |
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| DinaBelova | as tempest is now big, but more or less known thing - I wonder how this might look like outside the tempest | 15:47 |
| cdent | In general I prefer maximizing tests in-tree | 15:47 |
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| vrovachev | 'in-tree functional tests outside of tempest' this Sean's idea , I'm not thinking, good or bad this | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | cdent: in ceilo's case, would it end up being effectively a mini-Tempest? | 15:47 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... i.e. can we really system-test ceilo in isolation in a meaningful way? | 15:48 |
| cdent | certainly some of it | 15:48 |
| vrovachev | I think, functional and integrative test outside the tempest it's bad idea | 15:48 |
| cdent | we already require a light mongo for some tests, yes? | 15:48 |
| vrovachev | _integrated tests | 15:48 |
| cdent | and things like wsgi-intercept can be used for more end2end api tests | 15:49 |
| eglynn | so I'm a bit nervous that we'd end up with a bunch of fragmented, diverging, duplicated efforts to build mini-Tempests for each project | 15:50 |
| eglynn | ... to do stuff that maxi-Tempest could do prior to the advent of branchless | 15:50 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, +1 | 15:50 |
| cdent | well presumably maxi-tempest is inter-project and ceilo's mini-tempest is intra-project? | 15:50 |
| vrovachev | check the notifications in tempest very well, because we always know not lost any connection with any project. | 15:50 |
| vrovachev | for pollsters also | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | vrovachev, pollsters is other story :D | 15:51 |
| vrovachev | oh... | 15:51 |
| eglynn | cdent: yep, and mini-tempest is whitebox, versus maxi-tempest "kinda" blackbox | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | we need to persuade that it's needed :D | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | ok, so I'd encourage folks with strong opinions either one way or the other to chime in on that thread | 15:52 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn: of course | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | ... I suspect we'll end up with much discussion about this in-tree functional testing idea next time we're in Paris | 15:53 |
| eglynn | (if it doesn't come to the fore even earlier than that) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | ok, let's move on ... | 15:54 |
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| cdent | I'm not undertanding why it is a bad thing on any dimension? Can someone explain that to me out of band? | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | #topic Eventlet to asynchio switch-over | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | just a heads up something that markmc, victor stinner & flaper87 discussed at length at the mid-cycle last week | 15:55 |
| eglynn | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039291.html | 15:55 |
| llu-laptop | when is the switch-over required to complete? juno? | 15:55 |
| eglynn | tl;dr: deprecate eventlet in baby steps, replace piecewise with backport of py3 asyncio (trollius), use ceilo as the guinea pig | 15:56 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... well I was thinking it would have to be a multi-cycle effort | 15:56 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... maybe the first steps by end of juno | 15:56 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: relieved to hear this. | 15:57 |
| eglynn | ... but there's a few potential pifalls raised on that thread, sql-a coexistence with asyncio for example | 15:57 |
| eglynn | ... so still a topic of live discussion, worth keeping at eye on | 15:57 |
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| cdent | there's another related thread on the sql-a | 15:58 |
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| * eglynn doesn't pretend to understand all the subtleties being raised on the ML, but good have it aired in any case and addressed by the domain experts | 15:58 | |
| eglynn | k, running out of time here | 15:58 |
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| llu-laptop | cdent: what's he link to the sql-a thread? | 15:58 |
| cdent | one sec | 15:58 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | ... while cdent is digging for that link | 15:59 |
| cdent | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039716.html | 16:00 |
| llu-laptop | cdent: thx | 16:00 |
| cdent | it's only part of the puzzle, but some people are like "zomg, nightmare" and others are "NBD" | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | NBD == no big deal? | 16:01 |
| eglynn | presumably so | 16:01 |
| eglynn | if anyone's interested, /me was telling lies about Juno again | 16:01 |
| eglynn | ... https://plus.google.com/events/c6e8vjjn8klrf78ruhkr95j4tas | 16:02 |
| eglynn | any got anything else? | 16:02 |
| eglynn | ... we're at minus 2 mins ;) | 16:02 |
| eglynn | k, let's call it a wrap | 16:02 |
| eglynn | thanks folks! | 16:02 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 10 16:02:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-10-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-10-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-10-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 10 22:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi, who do we have here today | 22:01 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: here | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_10_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, I guess it'll be a quick meeting | 22:01 |
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| masayukig | hi | 22:02 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I'l sitting across from mlavalle but he has to go. He said he gave you an update about neutron. | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | well let's get started hopefully more people will filter in | 22:02 |
| andreaf | hi | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah he said that it's in the agenda | 22:03 |
| sdague | o/ | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Spec review day outcomes (mtreinish) | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | so we had our specs review yesterday (or 2 days ago depending on your tz) | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | I thought that I'd share the numbers | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | when we started we had 27 open reviews, with 15 waiting on reviewers, and 12 waiting on the submitter | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | when I ran the numbers again this morning we were down to: | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | 19 open reviews | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | 4 waiting on reviewer | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | and 15 waiting on submitter | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | and we merged about 10 patches since before the specs review day | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | so I think it was a fairly productive day as far as working through the backlog | 22:05 |
| masayukig | great :) | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | hopefully this will also mean that we keep on top of specs reviews in the future too. | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | so I just wanted to share the numbers, does anyone have anything else to add | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There was noticably no comments onn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/ | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we were actually discussing that one on irc | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | and he's made some revisions based on that | 22:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, cool | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | #topic Mid-cycle Meet-up (mtreinish) | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | so I just wanted to remind everyone that the midcycle meetup is next week. | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | so obviously the people who are attending their online presence will probably be decreased | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | and as part of that I'm going to schedule the meeting for next week | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | I was curious on preferences for how we wanted to handle scheduling | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | should we just make the next meeting in 2 weeks at 2200 UTC? so we don't have to update the ical feed | 22:10 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, that's probably easiest | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | or make it a 1700 UTC meeting? | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that's what I was thinking | 22:10 |
| sdague | I'd just say skip | 22:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think it would be a good idea to have it for those of us who can't be there. | 22:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: +1 | 22:10 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: How about having one by hangout? | 22:11 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: whatever | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well, if you want to run the meeting you can | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I don't think a hangout would work, we've got 30 people in a room next week | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | trying to communicate with some people online is always very difficult in that situation | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok skip it then | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:12 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There is no point in an irc meeting | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | #info the next meeting will be Jul 24th at 2200 UTC | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | hopefully I added correctly | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:13 |
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| sdague | didn't we sort of just do that :) | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | heh, yeah but it's still on the agenda :) | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone have a spec review they'd like to bring up | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | I'll take that as a no, especially given the specs review day | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | so let's move on | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/branchless-tempest-extensions | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | I wanted to bring this BP up because there isn't anyone assigned to it yet | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | it shouldn't be the most difficult thing to implement | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | and it'll give good exposure to how infra, devstack, and tempest interact in the gate | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | so if someone wants to step up to tackle it just assign themselves the BP in LP | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | I think it's an important feature to add to devstack gate | 22:16 |
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| sdague | yeh, I might get back to it at end of cycle, but it's definitely not going to be soon | 22:17 |
| sdague | and would be great to have a volunteer there | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: well, we can beg some more at the midcycle | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | hopefully someone will step up | 22:18 |
| sdague | :) | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have a status update on any inprogress BPs | 22:18 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I'm re-thinking how to proceed with the multi auth version bp in light of sdague proposal to use tempest clients for scenario tests | 22:19 |
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| andreaf | ^_^ | 22:19 |
| sdague | :) | 22:19 |
| sdague | andreaf: that will massively simplify things for you? | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, yeah well that proposal is the next topic | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | yeah it'll mean we can basically move forward with that right? | 22:19 |
| andreaf | sdague: yes it will | 22:19 |
| asselin | Hi, I'm waiting for spec review approved before continuing to work on the bp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/ | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | asselin: heh, you missed the specs review topic, but I'll put it on my list for tonight or tomorrow | 22:20 |
| asselin | i missed both somehow... | 22:20 |
| andreaf | asselin: it's in my review list for tomorrow | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/ | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't anymore BPs to discuss, let's move on | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | #topic Changing scenario tests to Tempest Client (sdague) | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039879.html | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: the floor is yours | 22:22 |
| sdague | yeh, mostly I wanted to get this conversation rolling | 22:22 |
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| dkranz | sdague: you got a few +1 from us | 22:22 |
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| sdague | as when I nearly rage quit earlier this week trying to debug scenario test fails, I felt like we should just get rid of this debt | 22:22 |
| sdague | and make tempest simpler | 22:22 |
| sdague | which I think will help in general | 22:23 |
| dkranz | Does any one think this is a bad idea? | 22:23 |
| sdague | well, no one has expressed that yet | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | I tend to agree, but I did like the notion that we used the clients because the scenario tests were use case simulators | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | but I'm fine with sacrificing that | 22:23 |
| sdague | however people seem to show up late to threads not realizing it | 22:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: I meant those of us in this meeting particularly | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: ^^^ you're the one who polished the scenario tests to there current state, any thoughts here? | 22:24 |
| sdague | oh, here, good question. Who else might be descenters | 22:24 |
| masayukig | Yeah, actually, I agree with using Tempest Client in scenario tests :) | 22:24 |
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| sdague | yay! | 22:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: If we go towards what I suggest in the next topic, and what andreaf said, it might be possible so use either | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, ok then I guess the next step would be to write up a spec for this | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'd rather not do that | 22:25 |
| afazekas | Does it means we are planing to add non read only client tests to regain some library coverage ? | 22:25 |
| sdague | dkranz: honestly, I'd rather not design around plugability here | 22:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: but use the tempest client in the main gate jobs | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | but we can segway into the next topic | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: no | 22:25 |
| sdague | because that's how get got to this mess | 22:25 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: sure, I can do the spec on the plane tomorrow | 22:25 |
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| sdague | or in the airport | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: in fact I really think we should consider removing the CLI tests at some point in the future | 22:26 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I agree the first step would be to just change the client | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: because I don't see a reason to keep them in tempest anymore, they were only added so we didn't have to setup devstack jobs for each client | 22:26 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, and then delete all the abstractions around the client in the code | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | but that's simple now | 22:26 |
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| sdague | so we don't have that whole convoluted tenant isolation, for instance | 22:27 |
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| dkranz | sdague: yes, they are at the wrong level in any event | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | well I think we're already into the next topic | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | so let's move to that :) | 22:27 |
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| sdague | sounds good | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Abstraction of test/client interactions (dkranz) | 22:27 |
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| afazekas | sdague: in the tenant isolation code we should switch to a single client | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039927.html | 22:28 |
| dkranz | So I put out my thinking in that email | 22:28 |
| dkranz | It is really a follow on to the thinking about moving response checking t othe client | 22:28 |
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| sdague | so... my concern here is it seems easier said than done | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I haven't had a chance to respond to the thread | 22:28 |
| dkranz | Does any one have any comments about that email proposal? | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | yeah there are too many fundamental differences between the clients | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | it makes doing this a real mess | 22:29 |
| dkranz | sdague: There will be corner cases araound some sucky apis | 22:29 |
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| sdague | dkranz: right, the corner cases end up bringing a lot more debt back in | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | heck, there isn't even consistency between the different python-*clients | 22:29 |
| sdague | dkranz: so what's the rationale for retargetable client? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: just look at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/common/isolated_creds.py | 22:30 |
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| sdague | like why is it good? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | that basically is a simple abstraction layer just for getting creds | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | there is a lot of debt there | 22:30 |
| sdague | here's the point where I'm going to blow marun's mind and say I've come around to his point of view :) | 22:30 |
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| dkranz | I am focusing on the client methods and check/serialize/deserialive | 22:30 |
| afazekas | dkranz: As I remember for swift you also need to read/test the response headers | 22:30 |
| dkranz | sdague: Maru is a joint author of that email | 22:31 |
| sdague | right | 22:31 |
| dkranz | He was looking over my sholder when I sent it | 22:31 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, but isn't the motivation here about migration of tests from neutron -> tempest? | 22:31 |
| dkranz | Obviously that idea has to be fleshed out | 22:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: In part yes, but that proposal involved a retargetable client | 22:32 |
| sdague | because my position has changed, and I think neutron should just keep those tests in their functional job, and that's cool | 22:32 |
| sdague | and lets not over design this | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it looks to me like me like all you really want is a stable client api from the email | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | sdague: So you want to just rip out api tests from tempest, end of story? | 22:32 |
| sdague | dkranz: no | 22:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: Then how do you avoid duplication? | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | sdague: You mean put up a sample patch of doing this for a few apis? | 22:36 |
| sdague | that's the thing you keep saying, which make me think it's wrong :) | 22:36 |
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| dkranz | sdague: You mean put up a sample patch of doing this for a few apis? | 22:37 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: sure thing | 22:37 |
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| sdague | I think about stuff better with real code | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: will do tomorrow | 22:37 |
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| sdague | dkranz: cool | 22:37 |
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| mtreinish | ok then if no one has anything else to add | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:37 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: yes | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:38 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: perhaps this is a good topic for next week as well | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: maybe, although dkranz won't be there... | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: so anything new on the grenade front? | 22:38 |
| andreaf | oh, ok | 22:38 |
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| sdague | not this week. Mostly I was trying to clean up some of the os-loganalyze things and help find some bugs | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | ok then does anyone else have something to discuss about grenade? | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:39 |
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| afazekas | Ii anyone had idea why we see lot of service statup failure in the grenade jobs? | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | screen | 22:40 |
| sdague | afazekas: yep, it's screen | 22:40 |
| sdague | I had some retry logic which apparently made it worse | 22:40 |
| sdague | so we're back to long timeout on screen | 22:40 |
| sdague | a lot of sleep 3 in the code | 22:41 |
| sdague | which makes it happen less often | 22:41 |
| sdague | the *real* fix is to make grenade not use screen | 22:41 |
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| afazekas | thx | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron Testing | 22:41 |
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| sdague | it *should* be able to do that today, but it can'tt | 22:41 |
| * andreaf gotta go now, see some of you next week | 22:41 | |
| mtreinish | ok, mlavalle left an update in the agenda on the neutron scenario tests stuff | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | so you can read that there if you're interested | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | and I saw an update from salv-orlando about the parallel jobs | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | we're one bug down one to go on making that transition | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | at least for the neutron jobs | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | I confirm that. | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | which is what we decided to do at the project meeting on Tues. | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone else have something to add about neutron testing? | 22:44 |
| sdague | I think everyone owes salv-orlando a beer | 22:44 |
| sdague | for making awesome progress | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | probably more than one :) | 22:45 |
| afazekas | I have bad failing about we still have some other hidden full job related issue | 22:45 |
| afazekas | beer++ | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: maybe, but we'll see when we start running it in volume | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | at some point you just have to jump | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | anyway let's move on | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | So I personally haven't been keeping on top of bug triage too well | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | and I'm not really sure what the state of the tracker is | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | it may be worthwhile to have another bug day in the near future | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | but I'll take a call for volunteers on organizing that after the midcycle | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | aside from that does anyone have any bugs that they would like to raise attention on? | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's move one then | 22:48 |
| sdague | not for me | 22:48 |
| afazekas | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1251448 | 22:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in tempest "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [Undecided,Won't fix] | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that's targetted against havana | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | what specifically about it? | 22:49 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: can we enable the tenant isolation on the Havana jobs ? | 22:49 |
| sdague | afazekas: I doubt it | 22:49 |
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| sdague | we're only barely getting them working now | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah there is no way | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando and I spent basically a week in Montreal getting that to work on the tempest side | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | and there were tons of fixes on the neutron side too | 22:50 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish: AFAIK it is working on tempest side in the stable/havana | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: well sort of, it actually overprovisions stuff with tenant isolation | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | which causes issues | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | that's why you see the network resources attr in the class definitions on some tests | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | anyway if there aren't any other bugs let's move on | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | so I see dkranz put one on the agenda | 22:52 |
| afazekas | Fixes also back-ported to neutron, and would be better to see more real issues than issues about not enabling that config option | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104290/7 | 22:53 |
| dkranz_ | mtreinish: I just wanted to get that through as it has suffered many rechecks and rebases | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: the fixes were major rewrites of internals, they're not backportable | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: we can talk about it in -qa after the meeting | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz_: ok I'll take a look | 22:53 |
| dkranz_ | mtreinish: thanks | 22:54 |
| sdague | mtreinish: heh, remember the first spec I pushed that you hated? :) | 22:54 |
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| dkranz_ | mtreinish: BTW, the last rebase involved a keystone api change | 22:54 |
| dkranz_ | mtreinish: that clearly violates the api stability guidelines | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | sdague: vaguely, I remember it disappeared | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | sdague: why? | 22:54 |
| sdague | that was the make the client have single return | 22:55 |
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| dkranz_ | mtreinish: which was approved without comment, including by you. | 22:55 |
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| sdague | which was the class resp(dict): that had status as an attr | 22:55 |
| sdague | it would make this code just cleaner | 22:55 |
| dkranz_ | mtreinish: Is it our policy that dev core +2 is all that is needed for such a violation? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that was different, it wasn't talking about moving the checks out of tests | 22:56 |
| sdague | mtreinish: nope | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | it was just a refactor to stop using a tuple | 22:56 |
| sdague | I'm just thinking about it again with all the _, body | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz_: yeah it's the same procedure as before | 22:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: Part of the proposal I made is removing the resp argument completely | 22:57 |
| sdague | dkranz: the keystone change was unavoidable | 22:57 |
| sdague | because it actually acts differently under apache | 22:57 |
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| dkranz | sdague: perhaps but it was not even marked with doc impact | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | dkranz_: oh, we just landed a skip for that | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | if it's the head/get apache thing | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | the test change shouldn't have landed yet | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: No, and hopefully won't until my patch does | 22:58 |
| nikhil___ | mtreinish: can we run over the time slot a little bit? | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: because the change now has to be made in the client, not in the test. | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | nikhil___: probably, I don't think there's anything after, but it'd be better to discuss it in -qa | 22:59 |
| nikhil___ | ok sure | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, that's why I don't like large refactors like this normally | 23:00 |
| dkranz_ | mtreinish: Nor do I | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | although apparently I can't even remember 3 months back | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | anyway we're at time | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 10 23:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-10-22.00.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-10-22.00.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-10-22.00.log.html | 23:01 |
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| sdague | dkranz_: I just +2ed it | 23:01 |
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