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jorgemhey lbaas folks13:59
bloganhello13:59
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ptoohillhello13:59
jorgemabout to start the meeting here in a sec13:59
rm_worko/13:59
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jorgem#startmeeting neutron lbaas13:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 10 13:59:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas'13:59
dougwigo/14:00
rm_workyo14:00
vjayhi14:00
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blogan\o/14:00
crc32(y)14:00
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sballeblogan, lol14:00
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jorgemAnything else people wanted to add to the agenda?14:01
jorgem#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Agenda14:01
jorgemthere are only 3 items :/14:01
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sbalukoffMorning!14:02
jorgemMorning14:02
dougwigthere are worse things in life than a quick meeting.14:02
dougwig:)14:02
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jorgemOkay well let's start with the first item14:02
sballe+114:02
jorgem#topic Paris summit talks14:02
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jorgemSusanne?14:02
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sballejorgem, thx.14:03
jorgemFrom the ML I'm not sure if we need to go in real depth on this14:03
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jorgembut let's get the conversation started at least14:03
sballeI just wanted to make everybody aware of the apporachign deadline of July 2814:03
sballeand wanted to see if we wanted to coordinates talks14:03
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ctraceymorning all14:04
blogansballe: didnt markmcclain something about design meetigs having a much later deadline?14:04
blogansay14:04
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sballeI see several talks taht could be interesting to submit and just wanted to sync-up with you on who wants to do what14:04
samuelbercovicihello!14:04
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sballeblogan, yes I belive so. I am talking about the talks14:04
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blogansballe: ah okay14:05
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sballeCall for Speakers Open14:05
sballePosted: July 414:05
sballeWould you like to speak at the November OpenStack Summit in Paris?14:05
sballeSubmit your talks HERE!14:05
sballeThere are several new speaking tracks for the Paris Summit so please review the list of tracks closely before you submit a talk.14:05
sballeDon't wait - the deadline to submit talks is July 28 at 11:59pm CDT.14:05
sballeFromthe website14:05
samuelbercoviciyou mean the summit talk not the dve summit sessions, right?14:06
dougwiglink?14:06
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dougwigi think she just dropped.14:06
sbalukoffsamuelbercovici: Yes14:06
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samuelbercoviciso is there a list of proposed subjects?14:07
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sballeok I am back14:07
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johnsomhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/call-for-speakers/14:07
johnsom#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/call-for-speakers/14:07
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juliancashBeat me pasting link by 1 sec.  :-)14:07
dougwiggot me while tabbed out and copying.  :)14:08
sballeI am interested in submitting a talk on Octavia and Stephen is interested in being a co-presented.14:08
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samuelbercoviciOctavia, is the HA proxy backend solution, right?14:08
jorgemsballe: Sounds good to me? Is the only talk on your mind?14:09
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sballewe should submit more.14:09
sballeOctavia is the operator scale LBaaS driver14:09
dougwigsamuelbercovici: it's effectively an haproxy+servicevm backend.14:09
sbalukoffThere are some pretty radical changes in store for Neutron LBaaS this session (or, rather, will hopefully come to fruition by the release). So having a talk on Neutron LBaaS is not a bad idea.14:09
sballesamuelbercovici, ^^14:09
sballesbalukoff, I agree14:09
samuelbercoviciI think that discussing the new lbaas API and roadmap makes also sense14:09
sballeEspecially around the Barbican integration14:10
sbalukoffAgreed14:10
sballesamuelbercovici, I agree.14:10
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crc32yea too bad we don't have funding.14:10
sballecrc32, You guys are not going?14:10
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sbalukoffEven if you get a talk proposal accepted?14:11
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samuelbercoviciI am willing to discuss the TLS / L7, blogan, would you like to discuss core and doug, driver? so we will propose a joint session for the three of us on this...14:11
jorgemSo…just FYI we, the Rackspace LBaaS team, will most likely not be able to attend in person because of our "budget". We had to pull teeth just to go to Atlanta. We shall see because a lot of Rackers are upset about this.14:11
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crc32yea or rather lack of budget.14:11
jorgem#embarrassing lol14:12
blogansamuelbercovici: i would love to, but per what jorgem just said, i will probably only be around in etherpad spirit14:12
s3wongsbalukoff: crc32: talk proposal accepted gets us free admission, but of course you still have to pay for the trip on your own14:12
jorgemAnyways, we would probably need someone to represent our team if we can't find other Rackers to do so.14:12
crc32we got ATC codes already so its free already.14:12
samuelbercovicidougwig: will you attend?14:12
dougwigyes, i will be there.  i'm happy to speak, though i'm an introvert and tend to avoid it like the plague.  :)14:13
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jorgemOkay so I have sballe and sbalukoff marked for a talk on Octavia correct?14:14
sballeyes. here is the list:14:14
sballeProposed talks:14:14
sballe* Octavia: sballe, sbalukoff14:14
sballe* New LbaaS and roadmaps:14:14
sballe* TLS/L7, Core, driver,  samuelbercovici, dougwig, blogan14:14
jorgemAnd for Neutron LBaaS? I'm just trying to take notes14:14
samuelbercoviciso.. I can for now porpose a tlak on LBaaS new API, what was done for Juno and what are the next steps, I will add anyone willing to this and can always modify the speakers when we get to the date14:14
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jorgemduly noted14:14
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markmcclainjorgem: don't forget that the foundation has a travel assistance program14:15
ctraceysamuelbercovici ++14:15
sballesamuelbercovici, is sounds like topic and 2 and 3 merge into one. right14:15
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bloganwe need welfare to go to paris14:15
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jorgemmarkmcclain:  You know if our team used that then maybe our company would get it together on this budget thing. ha!14:15
sballeProposed talks:14:16
sballe* Octavia: sballe, sbalukoff14:16
sballe* New LbaaS and roadmaps, * TLS/L7, Core, driver,  samuelbercovici, dougwig, blogan14:16
crc32I was wanted to talk TLS but what ever. :(14:16
juliancashThis isn't directly lbaas related and not something that should be chatted about here, but I'll likely propose doing this as a "talk" in Paris if I can be given a room.  http://auroralightportraits.com/14:16
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samuelbercovicicrc32: will you be able to travel?14:17
sballecrc32, please contribute to the talk even if you cannot attend.14:17
crc32I'll have to take out another loan. A big one.14:17
jorgemAlright we have a list of topics. Pending travel plans, let's pick speakers later?14:17
dougwigthe rackspacers need to have a giant bake sale in the empty half of their mall or something.  :)14:17
blogandougwig: thats what i was just saying, and a car wash14:17
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sballedougwig, lol14:17
sbalukoffbut please not a topless car wash.14:18
sbalukoffJust sayin'14:18
sbalukoff;)14:18
jorgemWho wants to volunteer to schedule these talks? sballe?14:18
crc32I could dump all my stock.14:18
ctraceyschedule?14:18
sballejorgem, yes I can coordinate14:18
jorgemawesome thanks14:18
sballeThe authors will have to submit them14:18
sballeand I;ll remind them14:18
jorgem#action sballe to coordinate setting up talks for Paris summit with authors/speakers14:18
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jorgemAlright. Next topic14:19
jorgem#topic Code Reviews14:19
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sballemarkmcclain, I will work with you to pick the best categories if necessary14:19
jorgemWho wants to kick this off? I know Brandon's 5k line commit got broken into several commits14:19
markmcclainsballe: sounds good14:20
jorgemAlso, it is a dependency for other bps14:20
jorgemDoes anyone have any questions or concerns on this?14:20
johnsomOverall I would like to see more comments in the submitted code14:20
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dougwigi think we need to spin another etherpad with the current list, and just keep reminding people to look (the original has a mid cycle name.)  if the feedback cycles get too long, the review time can be weeks.14:21
jorgemmarkmcclain: What is the practice on coments in Neutron?14:21
sbalukoffYes, we need more people to review (and yes, just back from vacation, so I'll be jumping on that in the next couple days, too.)14:21
sbalukoffdougwig: +114:21
dougwig#action dougwig new review etherpad14:21
bloganjohnsom: i got lazy on the commenting in the rush to get this in, and to use a terrible excuse, it wasn't commented any more in the old version14:22
jorgem#action dougwig to link review etherpad on Neutron LBaaS wiki page14:22
dlundquistIs it still the plan for Juno to update remove the v1 LBaaS persistance layer and route it to the v2 persistence layer and plugin14:22
jorgemdougwig: ;)14:22
markmcclainjorgem: comments in code or comments on code?14:22
dlundquistit -> v1 lbaas API14:22
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dougwigamusingly, hold off on the current first review right now, as it had a jenkins failure:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331/14:23
blogandlundquist, I don't think so14:23
jorgemmarkmcclain: I guess both? johnsom what were you thinking of?14:23
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blogandougwig: that failed because of a tempest test failing with floating ips, i think that was just a fluke, i need to make jenkins rerun14:23
johnsommarkmcclain: I was commenting on the lack of comments in the code14:23
dlundquistblogan: in that case we will need to merge the two persistence layers at a later point14:23
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blogandlundquist: lets talk about that after the meeting so i understand you fully14:24
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markmcclainjohnsom: yeah… ideally the code structure should lend itself to making most comments unnecessary14:25
mesterymarkmcclain: ++14:25
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jorgem+114:25
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sbalukoff...but not all comments? Please, let's document intent!14:25
markmcclaingenerally when I see code and my first thought is that it needs comments, that's probably a sign the structure is wrong14:25
crc32markmcclain where you ever able to review the TLS blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/?14:25
markmcclainsbalukoff: a bit of intent in the method doc is nice14:25
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bloganmy philosophy is to comment in code when its not obvious what the code is doing, however with extensions and service plugins it is not obvious how things are getting loaded until you know how the extensions and service plugins work14:26
markmcclainalso well named methods/vars help too14:26
jorgemmarkmcclain: Agreed.14:26
sballeblogan, +114:26
markmcclainblogan: yeah we're working to ripe out the ext loading magic14:26
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markmcclainmost folks just recite the magic incantation not knowing what it really does14:26
jorgemblogan: Also agree. Current codebase makes certain items a little confusing.14:26
markmcclainjorgem: +!14:26
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johnsomYes, providing context for the component is helpful for folks new to the code base14:27
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sballejohnsom, +114:27
jorgemSo… blogan I guess possibly add comments on codebase that isn't properly decomposed, etc. (not necessarily your fault)?14:28
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jorgemjohnsom: Also could you identify areas in review?14:28
samuelbercovicimarkmcclain: we need your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/14:28
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dougwigjorgem: comments are kind of a holy war, and what is too many to some is too few to others.  i'm not sure there's a concrete action to be had there.14:28
bloganjohnsom: i have a feeling you're confusion, along with everyone else's, is the magical extension loading14:29
blogan*your14:29
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johnsomYes, I will try to point some out as I review14:29
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dougwigthat'd be a good approach14:29
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jorgemdougwig: I agree, perhaps have johnsom and blogan sync up in IRC when johnsom is reviewing then :/14:29
markmcclainsamuelbercovici: yes that is in my queue (I am at the mid-cycle sprint this week)14:30
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jorgem#action Need markmcclain to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/14:30
samuelbercovicidougwig: blogan: whats you emails? I am loggin us to a talk as we IRC...14:31
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dougwigdougw at a10networks.com14:31
bloganmain point is getting the refactor reviews in.  I may have made assumptions that we did not agree on so look over it carefully and let me know14:31
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blogansamuelbercovici: brandon.logan@rackspace.com14:31
TrevorVo/ uber late :D14:31
jorgem#action Need markmcclain to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100931/14:31
sbalukoffblogan: I noticed a couple of those already. But so far they weren't egregious enough for me to -1 stuff. :)14:32
* markmcclain is collecting lots of actions this morning14:32
jorgemmarkmcclain: Kyle already reviewed these, but we need another core reviewer  :)14:32
blogansbalukoff: you could comment and let me know and there might be a method to my madness14:32
jorgemmarkmcclain: Sorry! Either you or another core reviewer.14:32
jorgemmarkmcclain: But of course we prefer you :)14:32
sbalukoffblogan: Will do.14:32
bloganmarkmcclain: i think its time for the beach and bourbon14:32
markmcclainjorgem: it's fine they're on my radar14:32
jorgemlol14:32
sbalukoffHaha14:33
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markmcclainblogan: it is.. I'll be in FL next week14:33
dougwigblogan needs to feel the joy of double-digit patch sets.  bring forth the comment nits!14:33
jorgemmarkmcclain: The main concern is meeting the deadline of the 20th.14:33
jorgemmarkmcclain: Is there anything we can do to help you in this regard?14:33
blogandougwig: ill feel i will hit the 3 digit threshold14:34
markmcclainjorgem: I expect we'll get them done on time14:34
sbalukoffOther than assuring you you have our undying gratitude? :D14:34
dougwigblogan: it's good to have goals.14:34
jorgemmarkmcclain: Awesome. Thanks for your assurance.14:34
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* mestery will poke markmcclain for the next two days.14:35
dougwigwhoa, whoa, get a room.14:35
markmcclainhaha14:35
mesterydougwig: Naughty naughty.14:35
vjayI see 2 code reviews on the v2 work, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105607/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331/. I havent looked closely, but they have the same review commit message text. What is the difference?14:35
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* TrevorV dougwig is a little jelly methinks14:35
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samuelbercoviciok. doung brandon, I have registered us for a talk14:36
bloganvjay: that was me being stupid, i abandoned the 105607 one14:36
jorgemvjay: One is abandoned?14:36
samuelbercoviciopps.. doug14:36
sballesamuelbercovici, Great!14:37
dougwigsamuelbercovici: ty14:37
jorgemOkay, any other review related items?14:37
jorgemIf not, I'll move on to next topic14:37
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jorgem#topic Shim vs. Agent Refactor14:38
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jorgemblogan if you would please.14:38
blogani sent an email about it yesterday and it was long but the shim is going to take a lot of work and so will the agent refactor, the shim is only temporary the agent refactor is permenant14:38
jorgem*the calm before the storm*14:38
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dougwigi meant to send a longer reply to the ML last night, but got derailed.  forgive the splat, but here were my thoughts from the lbaas channel yesterday: i saw it, still percolating a reply.  i mean, you're right.  but you'll make the transition rather lumpy with horizon.  it'll go from one set of vendor drivers working (the old ones), to another set (the new14:39
dougwigones), and i doubt they'll match.  add to that the uncertainty of when horizon catches up, and it gets less fun.  but the corner cases are madness.  fwiw, i had been thinking of just chucking exceptions in the corner cases, and letting the 95% common cases work for the older drivers.14:39
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bloganalso, the shim doesn't seem like it will work with the agent correctly if the v1 api and v2 api are both live14:39
bloganyikes dougwig14:39
dougwigsorry :)14:39
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blogandougwig: so I found out something new last night and its that the agent probably won't work with the shim when v1 and v2 are both active14:40
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bloganthough ill spend more time on it to see if i can work around it14:40
dougwigwhat drivers use the agent besides haproxy?14:41
sbalukoffblogan: If there's not a way around it, does this imply that agent refactor is the only option if we want both v1 and v2 active?14:41
blogannone that i know of, unless there are some that dont live in the current tree14:41
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dougwigso maybe we just shim the non-agent drivers?14:41
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blogansbalukoff: well basically a v2 agent14:41
blogandougwig: yes that was a possibility14:41
sbalukoffblogan: That's what I mean.14:41
blogansbalukoff: well i mean the v1 agent and v2 agent would both still live, but yes if this can't be worked aroudn then it would need a v2 agent14:42
sbalukoffAah. Ok.14:42
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bloganso if it comes down to doing the agent refactor and shim, then which one is priority?14:43
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bloganbtw sorry for always having a new issue every week and sort flip flopping on what to do, but a lot of this you just odnt know until you actually dive into the code and test it out14:44
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dlundquistAnother alternative is parallel v1 and v2 agents and haproxy drivers14:44
sbalukoffSounds like the highest priority is to determine whether what you discovered last night is certainly true.14:44
dougwigwell, the ref implementation is the priority.  and if the shim is just for agent-less stuff, i think it gets simpler?  (and i should have cycles to help starting next week.)14:44
blogandlundquist: that is the only way to do it, bc v1 still needs to work with the namespace driver14:44
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dlundquistblogan: so the refactor you talk of is is a parallel implementation14:45
dougwigdlundquist: yes14:45
sbalukoff...which should be cleaner in any case.14:45
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blogandlundquist: well just leaving the v1 agent alone, and create a v2 agent based off the v1 agent but using the v2 object models14:46
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samuelbercoviciI think that parlele v1 and v2 would be the easiest.14:46
dlundquistblogan: we are going to need to go down that route sooner or later in order to expose new functionality that can not be expressed in the v1 object model14:46
samuelbercovicialso, I would prefer to get the v2 running in paralel as 1st priority and get the shim layers as 2nd phase if needed14:46
blogani agree with the parallel, and v2 agent being priority14:47
sbalukoffsamuelbercovici: +1 I think that's probably the quickest path to success here, too.14:47
jorgemsamuelbercovici: I thought that was the priority?14:47
sbalukoffjorgem: Reconfirmed, then. :)14:47
blogandlundquist: yes i agree14:47
samuelbercoviciwell... that code tryies to already address portions of it and I think it make sense to clean this up14:48
jorgemSounds good to me?14:48
sbalukoff:D14:48
jorgemI mean "Sounds good to me!"14:48
samuelbercoviciso getting clean v2 would be a priority14:48
jorgemlol, I'm Ron Burgundy? My bad14:49
bloganok its settled then14:49
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bloganunless there are any other objections?14:49
ctraceyparallel ++14:49
dougwigusually we wait for you to write a few thousand more lines, then object to yourself.14:49
dougwig:)14:49
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blogandougwig: lol14:49
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bloganim a walking contradiction14:50
jorgemI was rooting for 10k14:50
vjayOn the TLS blueprint I want to raise a minor point. If there is nothing else i want to go now.14:50
jorgemvjay: By all mean14:50
crc32what?14:50
jorgems14:50
vjaySNI part currently says the backend will look into SCN and SAN, during domain match.  I feel the most common use case is to match the domain name against the common name (SCN) field of the certificate14:50
samuelbercoviciso also getting a new namespace ha proxy driver that runs in paralele to exsiting one instead of trying to fix existing one should be agreed upon, right?14:50
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jorgem#topic Remaining Items14:51
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dougwigsamuelbercovici: i think it was, yes.14:51
sbalukoffvjay: Yes, wildcard certs are less common than single domain certs.14:51
crc32SubjectCommon name or CommonName from the altSubjectName. We have 3 points of entry.14:51
sbalukoffvjay: But we can't ignore SAN, to.14:51
samuelbercoviciit is clear that the way different backends treat this is unclear....14:52
crc32SubjectCN altSubjectDNSname and x509Names in subject altNameExt.14:52
vjaysamuelbercovici: exactly, could we mention that in the spec14:52
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samuelbercovicii though that we kind of tried to14:52
samuelbercovicispecificaly, any case of over lap and priority beween the fields is backend dependant14:53
crc32we did. We originally wanted to have a host field associated with the TLS container but some one thought it'd be a good idea to extract info from the cert.14:53
samuelbercoviciwhat the api supports ia ordered list14:54
vjayi think overlap and priority comes in only when SAN is used. There cannot be 2 certificates attached to the same listener with clashing common names14:54
sbalukoffcrc32 is right: One party wanted to go with a priority list instead.14:54
vjayatleast that is my knowledge14:54
sbalukoffvjay: Actually, you can do that. :P14:54
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crc32thats what SNI is. multiple certs on the listener14:54
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sbalukoffvjay: And they can overlap on names. :P14:54
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sbalukoffvjay: Though it is stupid and rare, we do occasionally see this.14:55
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samuelbercovicivjay, not true, theoreticaly it make sense to have same SAN with for example differen expiration dates14:55
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sbalukoffsamuelbercovici: Or different key lengths.14:55
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samuelbercovici1I think it may come to not having a concensus on how different backent support such a rare case14:56
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sbalukoffWe have consensus, even if it's not what many prefer: We went with the priority list.14:57
jorgemvjay: Can you start a thread on the ML for your concerns?14:57
jorgemWe only have 2 mins left14:57
vjayyes14:57
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vjayi will start on the ML14:57
jorgem#action vjay to start ML thread on TLS blueprint concerns14:58
samuelbercovici1ok14:58
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jorgemvjay: thx14:58
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jorgemAlright, well I think that's it for today then everyone14:58
sbalukoffThanks, y'all!14:58
dougwiglater14:58
rm_worko/14:58
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samuelbercovici1bye14:58
jorgemIf you haven't filled out standup please do when you get a chance!14:58
jorgemhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-lbaas-weekly-standup14:58
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vjaybye14:58
jorgemsee you guys14:59
jorgem#endmeeting14:59
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eglynn#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 10 15:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
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nsajehey guys o/15:01
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eglynnhey y'all!15:01
eglynn#topic Juno-2 status15:01
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eglynn#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-215:02
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ildikovmy dispatcher BP for Gnocchi is under approval15:02
eglynnildikov: internal appro?15:02
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jd__o/15:02
ildikovunfortunately it is the holiday season of the Swedish guys15:02
ildikoveglynn: yes, of course...15:02
eglynnLOL ... it's always holiday seaon in Sweden ;)15:03
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jd__internal appro? that sounds weird :)15:03
ildikovso some delay is possible, but I'm really trying to push this through, only the last step is missing15:03
* eglynn should up sticks and move to Sweden for all the holidays ...15:03
ildikoveglynn: yes it is but, now really noone is available there...15:03
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ildikoveglynn: if you like that ugly weather, then totally worth to move ;)15:04
ildikovjd__: thanks for sharing my pain ;)15:04
DinaBelovadear core-team, that's j2 and it needs review :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/mongodb-events-feature15:04
cdentI reckon  progress on "consume notifications from ironic" has gone from slow to maybe "good"15:04
eglynnjd__: yeah it does to such finely-tuned opensource ears as our own ;)15:04
ildikovDinaBelova: sure, on my endless list, no worries15:04
eglynncdent: cool15:04
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* jd__ nods15:04
DinaBelovaildikov, :D15:04
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cdentneeds docs and validation of some of the names used15:05
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eglynncdent: I've just updated15:05
cdent15:05
ildikoveglynn: BTW the docco status is not that good, I guess I will not sleep much until the j2 deadline...15:05
eglynnOK so at this point it would be great to have a heads-up if anyone's worried about slippage15:06
pradjust a reminder, if core reviewers can review my pending spec , I can try getting them partially in for juno-215:06
pradspecs*15:06
eglynnildikov: can we divide and conquer on some of the docs work?15:06
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eglynnprad: yep, apols for being remiss on that15:06
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ildikovmaybe if there is anyone who's willing to write some admin guide sections15:07
pradnp, just wanted those in asap so i can implement those soon15:07
eglynnllu-laptop: do you think that any of the SNMP stuff is targetable to juno-2?15:07
DinaBelovaeglynn, may we set the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1330989 to some importance?15:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1330989 in ceilometer "[Hbase] Source filter doesn't work with _get_columns" [Undecided,In progress]15:08
llu-laptopI'll try my best, but it's risky15:08
DinaBelovaeglynn, it's still undecided :(15:08
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ildikoveglynn: I'm not 100% sure how much it would be consistent, I mean the terms we use, how to describe things, etc, so I mean the best is to have the whole text from one author15:08
eglynnllu-laptop: great, we can always bump it off to juno-3 if it doesn't make it15:08
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ildikoveglynn: anyway, I will scream, if I've reached that point15:08
eglynnDinaBelova: what importance do you suggest?15:09
DinaBelovaeglynn, medium I guess15:09
eglynnildikov: what format is the docco in, docbook?15:09
* eglynn makes it so ...15:09
llu-laptopeglynn: yeah. i've started though I'm not sure if lsomla is satisfied with the spec or not15:09
ildikoveglynn: I guess, XML-based15:09
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eglynnllu-laptop: lsmola is out on vacation for this week and next15:10
DinaBelovaeglynn, thank you sir :)15:10
ildikoveglynn: we can discuss the status mid-next-week15:10
eglynnllu-laptop: ... then he's off at EuroPython for another week15:10
eglynnllu-laptop: ... so I think you should prolly just go ahead without his explicit appro15:10
llu-laptopeglynn, ok i'll start first, assuming he won't come back with big suprise for me. :)15:10
eglynnildikov: cool15:10
ildikoveglynn: and then decide if I need more hands or not15:11
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eglynnllu-laptop: thank you sir!15:11
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eglynnildikov: cool, if needs be I can try helping get that over the line15:11
DinaBelovaildikov, btw, let's do some polling-tempest fight tomorrow :)15:11
DinaBelovaildikov, how do you look on that?15:11
ildikovDinaBelova: ok, tomorrow is fine15:11
cdentildikov: I'd be intrested in helping some on the docs side of things if that's an option.15:11
DinaBelovaildikov, cool, +115:11
eglynncdent: cool, thank you sir!15:12
* jd__ smiled 'cause he reads 'pillow-tempest fight'15:12
ildikovDinaBelova: at what time is Sean available?15:12
DinaBelovaildikov, about 6-7PM Moscow time he begins being here15:12
DinaBelovaildikov, so smth like this :)15:12
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ildikovcdent: cool, thanks, I will see, how it could work, if I cannot make any good progress with it in the next very few days15:13
DinaBelovaildikov, that's about 3-4UTC15:13
ildikovDinaBelova: ok, cool, it's not that late :)15:13
DinaBelovaildikov, indeed :)15:13
DinaBelovasorry for the offtopic, please continue, folks :)15:13
ildikovDinaBelova: ping e tomorrow if you think it's time to fight ;)15:13
DinaBelovaildikov, np15:14
eglynnso if anyone else has a juno BP that they're sitting on, please try to get the specs proposed by tmrw if at all possible15:14
eglynn... even just a rough placeholder15:14
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eglynnanything else WRT juno-2?15:14
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cdentjust confirmation that the javelin stuff has seen no recent progress, will poke at people early next week15:15
eglynncdent: thanks15:15
eglynnok, moving on I guess ...15:15
eglynn#topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status15:15
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eglynnjd__: anything to report?15:15
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eglynnjd__: I owe you a unit test I believe15:16
jd__I've been implementing the aggregation stuff discussed last week during the sprint15:16
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jd__eglynn: yeah that would be really helpful, and thanks for testing btw15:16
jd__I've been working today on some new shiny features in the indexer15:16
jd__so things are progressing :)15:17
ildikovBTW, I couldn't figure out why MySQL is not working on the gate15:17
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jd__and I'm waiting for ildikov and her internal team :D wrt ceilometer integration15:17
jd__ildikov: I missed that I guess?15:17
eglynnjd__:  ... up to now I've just been using a little shell script to hit the API, need to translate that to an in-tree test15:17
* DinaBelova working on the opentsdb driver for gnocchi. I believe it'll help to find what shall we do with the api and common classes to be abstract and good enough for three different backends :)15:17
jd__cool DinaBelova15:17
ildikovjd__: you can tell it my managers too, if you wish ;)15:17
DinaBelovaildikov, lol :D15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: what do the data retention semantics look like for opentsdb?15:18
DinaBelovaeglynn, /me still in progress here15:18
ildikovjd__: with the socket included in the URL it cannot connect, otherwise it has authentication problems and locally I have a third issue with the tests with MySQL15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: ... i.e. the equivalent of the stuff we were talking to pauldix about last week for influx15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: ... a-ha, cool15:18
DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, I keep that in mind15:18
ildikovjd__: more details: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104966/15:19
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jd__ildikov: I though the gate was passing? I'll take a look15:19
ildikovjd__: it passed, because all the tests were skipped, because there wasn't any working MySQL connection15:19
eglynnjd__: just for simplicity, would it be easy to have the tests run in-tree against sqlite for the indexer driver?15:20
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ildikovjd__: anyway, I just wanted to have more eyes on it, as I got distracted much this week, so I didn't have enough time to deal with it15:20
jd__eglynn: sqlite does not support foreignkey so it's not working with Gnocchi as we need that15:20
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eglynnjd__: a-ha k, scratch that so15:20
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jd__so I just dropped the support for it since it's not really worth it15:20
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jd__ildikov: I just saw that, my bad I sucked missing that15:21
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ildikovjd__: with MySQL I got AttributeError for with_for_update...15:21
cdentsqlite3.something has foreign keys...15:21
jd__ildikov: ok I'll fix that15:21
jd__cdent: so I heard15:21
jd__cdent: but still not really convinced my effort is going onto that direction anytime soon :D15:21
ildikovjd__: np, if you have time, please check, I will be too busy to fix it this week for sure15:21
ildikovjd__: cool, thanks15:21
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eglynnanything else on gnocchi?15:22
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DinaBelovaeglynn, I guess that's it :)15:23
eglynn#topic Mid-cycle wrap-up15:23
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eglynnit was fun and productive I think :)15:23
eglynnjd__: thanks for the hospitality!15:23
DinaBelovaeglynn, and that amazing french bakery... mmmm15:24
jd__you're welcome, it was fun having you guys!15:24
ildikoveglynn: +115:24
ildikovI want more mid-cycles ;)15:24
DinaBelovaildikov, hehe :D15:24
cdentmid-mid-cycle15:24
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jd__1/6th-cycle every month15:24
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eglynnyeah, do folks feel it's something we should aim to do again for Kilo/Kyoto?15:24
ildikovjd__: thanks much, everything was really good!15:24
llu-laptopall logs are at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris-July2014-ceilometer-sprint?15:24
jd__eglynn: likely15:25
eglynnllu-laptop: yeah, they're a little rough TBH15:25
DinaBelovallu-laptop, and in the links published there15:25
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eglynnllu-laptop: ... may not be very coherent, need to be read *cough* forensically15:25
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eglynnk, Paris was fun, but back to reality ... :)15:27
eglynn#topic "The continuing saga of branchless Tempest"15:27
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vrovachevohhh15:27
ildikoveglynn: I've just read your yesterday's discussion with Joe about the notifications15:27
eglynnso this discussion started up with vrovachev's featureful backport of the cinder snapshot notification support15:27
eglynnI then raised it at the PTLs meeting which led to a long inconclusive discussion15:28
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eglynn... which we then punted to the ML15:28
eglynnhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039733.html15:28
eglynnand as ildikov says, continued on IRC with jogo last night15:28
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eglynnso there are several interleaved threads of thought and lines of reasoning15:29
DinaBelovathis mailing thread is growing with each minute :(15:29
ildikoveglynn: is there any chance to have a freeze and then very slowly move to one direction with notifications?15:29
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ildikoveglynn: just like what we were talking about on the mid-cycle15:29
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eglynnbut in the short term ... seems that Matt is accepting of a test-skipping decorator based on static (i.e. non-discoverable) tempest config15:29
eglynnildikov: a freeze?15:30
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vrovachevI want to eliminate -1 in Jenkins using api ceilometer(capabilities:storage:production_ready)15:30
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eglynnvrovachev: "eliminate -1 in Jenkins" ==> is that causing CI failures?15:31
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vrovacheveglynn: yes15:31
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DinaBelovaeglynn, in grenade job afair15:31
ildikoveglynn: I just meant that somehow we need to deal with the changing style of notifications and I guess there was a point in your discussion to have a state and versioning, etc15:31
vrovachevDinaBelova: yes :)15:32
eglynnvrovachev: can you explain the background? ... what changes do we need to avoid that failure?15:32
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eglynnildikov: yep, if the other projects step up to actually versioning notifications, then that change would impact on consumers such as ourselves and StackTach15:33
vrovachevgrenade job runned tempest in master branch for stable icehouse devstack. I can to add skip test, if get API request to apabilities:storage:production_ready is False15:33
eglynnildikov: ... but it would be to our benefit, right?15:34
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eglynnvrovachev: a-ha, so the same skipping logic as you already put into the main devstack job?15:34
ildikoveglynn: yeap, smth like that15:34
vrovacheveglynn: yes15:35
eglynnildikov: k, I just didn't get the freeze reference ... i.e. what was being frozen15:35
DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, smth like that - that was fixed by the branches in devstack, but here it's an other situation15:35
DinaBelovaa little bit15:35
eglynnvrovachev, DinaBelova: ok15:35
ildikoveglynn: I still think that it would be much easier to have a some kind of stardized format in the *long-term* future, but still, we have to start at somewhere to even deal with this issue15:35
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DinaBelovaalthough, it might be fixed with the API specs endpoint I've done for the ceilo that time15:35
eglynnvrovachev: ... so on the cinder tests15:36
cdentildikov: that's basically the same as what I just posted to the thread15:36
vrovacheveglynn: yes, on snapshot notification15:36
eglynnvrovachev: ... does it Matt's proposed "@test.consumed_notifications('volumes', 'snapshot.exists', 'snapshot.create.*', ...)" style of decorator make sense to you?15:36
vrovachevon volume notification all ok :)15:36
ildikovcdent: I'm trying to give this hint to people around for a few months now..., unfortunately it's not that easy as it sounds... :(15:36
eglynnvrovachev: ... i.e. as described in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039819.html15:37
DinaBelovaeglynn, I guess it'll look nice - esp. if QA is ok with it15:37
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ildikovDinaBelova: +115:37
eglynnDinaBelova: it sounds like they are, as Matt has given his blessings15:37
DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, indeed15:37
eglynnvrovachev: so is that something you could implement so as to avoid the need for the cinder snapshot backport15:38
eglynn?15:38
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DinaBelovaI think that'll work ok, although I'm still interested how to implement that in tempest, as I'm not the specialist. vrovachev - will it be ok for you?15:38
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vrovacheveglynn: I will discuss code style (implemented decorator or skip in test) with Sean and Matthew. Yes, this can avoid the need for the cinder snapshot backport15:39
eglynnvrovachev: excellent!15:39
DinaBelovayay :)15:40
vrovachev:)15:40
eglynnvrovachev: ... so with that skipping approach agreed, is it realistic do you think to get the stalled tempest tests landed for juno-2?15:40
vrovachevfor cinder  and swift - juno 215:41
vrovachevfor glance - juno 115:41
eglynnvrovachev: juno 1 ... do you mean, already landed?15:41
DinaBelovaeglynn, also scenario tests (events, alarms) are in progress for j215:41
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vrovachevoh, no, for nova - juno 1 :)15:42
DinaBelovaeglynn, for nova they're landed15:42
vrovachevfor glance juni 2 also15:43
vrovachevjuno_15:43
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eglynnDinaBelova, vrovachev: excellent, so it would really geat to be able to declare victory on the TC gap for tempest in juno-2 :)15:43
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DinaBelovaeglynn, /we are in progress :D15:43
eglynnthe other thing WRT testing is ...15:43
eglynndid folks read Sean's magnum opus on that thread? ... http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039733.html15:44
DinaBelovaeglynn, indeed :D15:44
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DinaBelovait is a nice story :)15:44
eglynnparticularly the "New Thinking about our validation layers" section15:45
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vrovachevoh, yes...15:45
eglynn... so it seems the wind is blowing somewhat towards in-tree functional tests outside of tempest15:45
cdentthank god for that15:45
eglynn... just wondered what folks thought of that idea?15:45
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eglynncdent approves?15:46
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DinaBelovaeglynn, I just wonder how difficult it'll be to be done15:46
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DinaBelovaas tempest is now big, but more or less known thing - I wonder how this might look like outside the tempest15:47
cdentIn general I prefer maximizing tests in-tree15:47
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vrovachev'in-tree functional tests outside of tempest' this Sean's idea , I'm not thinking, good or bad this15:47
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eglynncdent: in ceilo's case, would it end up being effectively a mini-Tempest?15:47
eglynncdent: ... i.e. can we really system-test ceilo in isolation in a meaningful way?15:48
cdentcertainly some of it15:48
vrovachevI think, functional and integrative test outside the tempest it's bad idea15:48
cdentwe already require a light mongo for some tests, yes?15:48
vrovachev_integrated tests15:48
cdentand things like wsgi-intercept can be used for more end2end api tests15:49
eglynnso I'm a bit nervous that we'd end up with a bunch of fragmented, diverging, duplicated efforts to build mini-Tempests for each project15:50
eglynn... to do stuff that maxi-Tempest could do prior to the advent of branchless15:50
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DinaBelovaeglynn, +115:50
cdentwell presumably maxi-tempest is inter-project and ceilo's mini-tempest is intra-project?15:50
vrovachevcheck the notifications in tempest very well, because we always know not lost any connection with any project.15:50
vrovachevfor pollsters also15:51
DinaBelovavrovachev, pollsters is other story :D15:51
vrovachevoh...15:51
eglynncdent: yep, and mini-tempest is whitebox, versus maxi-tempest "kinda" blackbox15:51
DinaBelovawe need to persuade that it's needed :D15:51
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eglynnok, so I'd encourage folks with strong opinions either one way or the other to chime in on that thread15:52
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vrovacheveglynn: of course15:53
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eglynn... I suspect we'll end up with much discussion about this in-tree functional testing idea next time we're in Paris15:53
eglynn(if it doesn't come to the fore even earlier than that)15:54
eglynnok, let's move on ...15:54
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cdentI'm not undertanding why it is a bad thing on any dimension? Can someone explain that to me out of band?15:54
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eglynn#topic Eventlet to asynchio switch-over15:54
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eglynnjust a heads up something that markmc, victor stinner & flaper87 discussed at length at the mid-cycle last week15:55
eglynnhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039291.html15:55
llu-laptopwhen is the switch-over required to complete? juno?15:55
eglynntl;dr: deprecate eventlet in baby steps, replace piecewise with backport of py3 asyncio (trollius), use ceilo as the guinea pig15:56
eglynnllu-laptop: ... well I was thinking it would have to be a multi-cycle effort15:56
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eglynnllu-laptop: ... maybe the first steps by end of juno15:56
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llu-laptopeglynn: relieved to hear this.15:57
eglynn... but there's a few potential pifalls raised on that thread, sql-a coexistence with asyncio for example15:57
eglynn... so still a topic of live discussion, worth keeping at eye on15:57
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cdentthere's another related thread on the sql-a15:58
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* eglynn doesn't pretend to understand all the subtleties being raised on the ML, but good have it aired in any case and addressed by the domain experts15:58
eglynnk, running out of time here15:58
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llu-laptopcdent: what's he link to the sql-a thread?15:58
cdentone sec15:58
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eglynn#topic open discussion15:59
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eglynn... while cdent is digging for that link15:59
cdenthttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039716.html16:00
llu-laptopcdent: thx16:00
cdentit's only part of the puzzle, but some people are like "zomg, nightmare" and others are "NBD"16:00
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eglynnNBD == no big deal?16:01
eglynnpresumably so16:01
eglynnif anyone's interested, /me was telling lies about Juno again16:01
eglynn... https://plus.google.com/events/c6e8vjjn8klrf78ruhkr95j4tas16:02
eglynnany got anything else?16:02
eglynn... we're at minus 2 mins ;)16:02
eglynnk, let's call it a wrap16:02
eglynnthanks folks!16:02
eglynn#endmeeting16:02
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 10 22:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'22:00
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mtreinishhi, who do we have here today22:01
dkranzmtreinish: here22:01
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mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_10_2014_.282200_UTC.2922:01
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda22:01
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mtreinishdkranz: heh, I guess it'll be a quick meeting22:01
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masayukighi22:02
dkranzmtreinish: I'l sitting across from mlavalle but he has to go. He said he gave you an update about neutron.22:02
mtreinishwell let's get started hopefully more people will filter in22:02
andreafhi22:03
mtreinishdkranz: yeah he said that it's in the agenda22:03
sdagueo/22:03
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mtreinish#topic Spec review day outcomes (mtreinish)22:03
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mtreinishso we had our specs review yesterday (or 2 days ago depending on your tz)22:03
mtreinishI thought that I'd share the numbers22:03
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mtreinishwhen we started we had 27 open reviews, with 15 waiting on reviewers, and 12 waiting on the submitter22:04
mtreinishwhen I ran the numbers again this morning we were down to:22:04
mtreinish19 open reviews22:04
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mtreinish4 waiting on reviewer22:04
mtreinishand 15 waiting on submitter22:04
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mtreinishand we merged about 10 patches since before the specs review day22:05
mtreinishso I think it was a fairly productive day as far as working through the backlog22:05
masayukiggreat :)22:05
mtreinishhopefully this will also mean that we keep on top of specs reviews in the future too.22:05
mtreinishso I just wanted to share the numbers, does anyone have anything else to add22:06
mtreinishotherwise let's move on22:06
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dkranzmtreinish: There was noticably no comments onn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/22:07
mtreinishdkranz: we were actually discussing that one on irc22:07
mtreinishand he's made some revisions based on that22:07
dkranzmtreinish: ok, cool22:08
mtreinish#topic Mid-cycle Meet-up (mtreinish)22:08
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mtreinishso I just wanted to remind everyone that the midcycle meetup is next week.22:08
mtreinishso obviously the people who are attending their online presence will probably be decreased22:09
mtreinishand as part of that I'm going to schedule the meeting for next week22:09
mtreinishI was curious on preferences for how we wanted to handle scheduling22:09
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mtreinishshould we just make the next meeting in 2 weeks at 2200 UTC? so we don't have to update the ical feed22:10
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sdaguemtreinish: yeh, that's probably easiest22:10
mtreinishor make it a 1700 UTC meeting?22:10
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mtreinishsdague: yeah that's what I was thinking22:10
sdagueI'd just say skip22:10
dkranzmtreinish: I think it would be a good idea to have it for those of us who can't be there.22:10
andreafmtreinish: +122:10
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dkranzmtreinish: How about having one by hangout?22:11
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dkranzmtreinish: whatever22:11
mtreinishdkranz: well, if you want to run the meeting you can22:11
mtreinishdkranz: I don't think a hangout would work, we've got 30 people in a room next week22:11
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mtreinishtrying to communicate with some people online is always very difficult in that situation22:12
dkranzmtreinish: ok skip it then22:12
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mtreinishdkranz: ok22:12
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dkranzmtreinish: There is no point in an irc meeting22:12
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mtreinish#info the next meeting will be Jul 24th at 2200 UTC22:12
mtreinishhopefully I added correctly22:13
mtreinishok let's move on22:13
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mtreinish#topic Specs Review22:13
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sdaguedidn't we sort of just do that :)22:13
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mtreinishheh, yeah but it's still on the agenda :)22:13
mtreinishso does anyone have a spec review they'd like to bring up22:14
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mtreinishI'll take that as a no, especially given the specs review day22:14
mtreinishso let's move on22:14
mtreinish#topic Blueprints22:15
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mtreinish#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/branchless-tempest-extensions22:15
mtreinishI wanted to bring this BP up because there isn't anyone assigned to it yet22:15
mtreinishit shouldn't be the most difficult thing to implement22:15
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mtreinishand it'll give good exposure to how infra, devstack, and tempest interact in the gate22:16
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mtreinishso if someone wants to step up to tackle it just assign themselves the BP in LP22:16
mtreinishI think it's an important feature to add to devstack gate22:16
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sdagueyeh, I might get back to it at end of cycle, but it's definitely not going to be soon22:17
sdagueand would be great to have a volunteer there22:17
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mtreinishsdague: well, we can beg some more at the midcycle22:17
mtreinishhopefully someone will step up22:18
sdague:)22:18
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mtreinishok, does anyone have a status update on any inprogress BPs22:18
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andreafmtreinish: I'm re-thinking how to proceed with the multi auth version bp in light of sdague proposal to use tempest clients for scenario tests22:19
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andreaf^_^22:19
sdague:)22:19
sdagueandreaf: that will massively simplify things for you?22:19
mtreinishandreaf: heh, yeah well that proposal is the next topic22:19
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mtreinishyeah it'll mean we can basically move forward with that right?22:19
andreafsdague: yes it will22:19
asselinHi, I'm waiting for spec review approved before continuing to work on the bp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/22:19
mtreinishasselin: heh, you missed the specs review topic, but I'll put it on my list for tonight or tomorrow22:20
asselini missed both somehow...22:20
andreafasselin: it's in my review list for tomorrow22:20
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97589/22:21
mtreinishok if there aren't anymore BPs to discuss, let's move on22:21
mtreinish#topic Changing scenario tests to Tempest Client (sdague)22:21
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mtreinish#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039879.html22:22
mtreinishsdague: the floor is yours22:22
sdagueyeh, mostly I wanted to get this conversation rolling22:22
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dkranzsdague: you got a few +1 from us22:22
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sdagueas when I nearly rage quit earlier this week trying to debug scenario test fails, I felt like we should just get rid of this debt22:22
sdagueand make tempest simpler22:22
sdaguewhich I think will help in general22:23
dkranzDoes any one think this is a bad idea?22:23
sdaguewell, no one has expressed that yet22:23
mtreinishI tend to agree, but I did like the notion that we used the clients because the scenario tests were use case simulators22:23
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mtreinishbut I'm fine with sacrificing that22:23
sdaguehowever people seem to show up late to threads not realizing it22:23
dkranzsdague: I meant those of us in this meeting particularly22:23
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mtreinishmasayukig: ^^^ you're the one who polished the scenario tests to there current state, any thoughts here?22:24
sdagueoh, here, good question. Who else might be descenters22:24
masayukigYeah, actually, I agree with using Tempest Client in scenario tests :)22:24
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sdagueyay!22:24
dkranzsdague: If we go towards what I suggest in the next topic, and what andreaf said, it might be possible so use either22:25
mtreinishsdague: heh, ok then I guess the next step would be to write up a spec for this22:25
mtreinishdkranz: I'd rather not do that22:25
afazekasDoes it means we are planing to add non read only client tests to regain some library coverage ?22:25
sdaguedkranz: honestly, I'd rather not design around plugability here22:25
dkranzsdague: but use the tempest client in the main gate jobs22:25
mtreinishbut we can segway into the next topic22:25
mtreinishafazekas: no22:25
sdaguebecause that's how get got to this mess22:25
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sdaguemtreinish: sure, I can do the spec on the plane tomorrow22:25
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sdagueor in the airport22:26
mtreinishafazekas: in fact I really think we should consider removing the CLI tests at some point in the future22:26
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dkranzsdague: I agree the first step would be to just change the client22:26
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mtreinishafazekas: because I don't see a reason to keep them in tempest anymore, they were only added so we didn't have to setup devstack jobs for each client22:26
sdaguedkranz: right, and then delete all the abstractions around the client in the code22:26
mtreinishbut that's simple now22:26
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sdagueso we don't have that whole convoluted tenant isolation, for instance22:27
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dkranzsdague: yes, they are at the wrong level in any event22:27
mtreinishwell I think we're already into the next topic22:27
mtreinishso let's move to that :)22:27
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sdaguesounds good22:27
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mtreinish#topic Abstraction of test/client interactions (dkranz)22:27
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afazekassdague: in the tenant isolation code we should switch to a single client22:27
mtreinish#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039927.html22:28
dkranzSo I put out my thinking in that email22:28
dkranzIt is really a follow on to the thinking about moving response checking t othe client22:28
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sdagueso... my concern here is it seems easier said than done22:28
mtreinishdkranz: yeah I haven't had a chance to respond to the thread22:28
dkranzDoes any one have any comments about that email proposal?22:29
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mtreinishyeah there are too many fundamental differences between the clients22:29
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mtreinishit makes doing this a real mess22:29
dkranzsdague: There will be corner cases araound some sucky apis22:29
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sdaguedkranz: right, the corner cases end up bringing a lot more debt back in22:29
mtreinishheck, there isn't even consistency between the different python-*clients22:29
sdaguedkranz: so what's the rationale for retargetable client?22:30
mtreinishdkranz: just look at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/common/isolated_creds.py22:30
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sdaguelike why is it good?22:30
mtreinishthat basically is a simple abstraction layer just for getting creds22:30
mtreinishthere is a lot of debt there22:30
sdaguehere's the point where I'm going to blow marun's mind and say I've come around to his point of view :)22:30
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dkranzI am focusing on the client methods and check/serialize/deserialive22:30
afazekasdkranz: As I remember for swift you also need to read/test the response headers22:30
dkranzsdague: Maru is a joint author of that email22:31
sdagueright22:31
dkranzHe was looking over my sholder when I sent it22:31
sdaguedkranz: right, but isn't the motivation here about migration of tests from neutron -> tempest?22:31
dkranzObviously that idea has to be fleshed out22:31
dkranzsdague: In part yes, but that proposal involved a retargetable client22:32
sdaguebecause my position has changed, and I think neutron should just keep those tests in their functional job, and that's cool22:32
sdagueand lets not over design this22:32
mtreinishdkranz: it looks to me like me like all you really want is a stable client api from the email22:32
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dkranzsdague: So you want to just rip out api tests from tempest, end of story?22:32
sdaguedkranz: no22:32
dkranzsdague: Then how do you avoid duplication?22:32
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dkranzsdague: You mean put up a sample patch of doing this for a few apis?22:36
sdaguethat's the thing you keep saying, which make me think it's wrong  :)22:36
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dkranzsdague: You mean put up a sample patch of doing this for a few apis?22:37
sdaguedkranz: yeh22:37
dkranzsdague: sure thing22:37
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sdagueI think about stuff better with real code22:37
dkranzsdague: will do tomorrow22:37
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sdaguedkranz: cool22:37
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mtreinishok then if no one has anything else to add22:37
mtreinishlet's move on22:37
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dkranzmtreinish: yes22:37
mtreinish#topic Grenade22:38
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andreafmtreinish: perhaps this is a good topic for next week as well22:38
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mtreinishandreaf: maybe, although dkranz won't be there...22:38
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mtreinishsdague: so anything new on the grenade front?22:38
andreafoh, ok22:38
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sdaguenot this week. Mostly I was trying to clean up some of the os-loganalyze things and help find some bugs22:39
mtreinishok then does anyone else have something to discuss about grenade?22:39
mtreinishotherwise let's move on22:39
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afazekasIi anyone had idea why we see lot of service statup failure in the grenade jobs?22:39
mtreinishscreen22:40
sdagueafazekas: yep, it's screen22:40
sdagueI had some retry logic which apparently made it worse22:40
sdagueso we're back to long timeout on screen22:40
sdaguea lot of sleep 3 in the code22:41
sdaguewhich makes it happen less often22:41
sdaguethe *real* fix is to make grenade not use screen22:41
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afazekasthx22:41
mtreinish#topic Neutron Testing22:41
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sdagueit *should* be able to do that today, but it can'tt22:41
* andreaf gotta go now, see some of you next week 22:41
mtreinishok, mlavalle left an update in the agenda on the neutron scenario tests stuff22:42
mtreinishso you can read that there if you're interested22:42
mtreinishand I saw an update from salv-orlando about the parallel jobs22:42
mtreinishwe're one bug down one to go on making that transition22:43
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mtreinishat least for the neutron jobs22:43
salv-orlandoI confirm that.22:43
mtreinishwhich is what we decided to do at the project meeting on Tues.22:43
mtreinishso does anyone else have something to add about neutron testing?22:44
sdagueI think everyone owes salv-orlando a beer22:44
sdaguefor making awesome progress22:45
mtreinishprobably more than one :)22:45
afazekasI have bad failing about we still have some other hidden full job related issue22:45
afazekasbeer++22:45
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mtreinishafazekas: maybe, but we'll see when we start running it in volume22:46
mtreinishat some point you just have to jump22:46
mtreinishanyway let's move on22:46
mtreinish#topic Bugs22:46
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mtreinishSo I personally haven't been keeping on top of bug triage too well22:46
mtreinishand I'm not really sure what the state of the tracker is22:46
mtreinishit may be worthwhile to have another bug day in the near future22:47
mtreinishbut I'll take a call for volunteers on organizing that after the midcycle22:47
mtreinishaside from that does anyone have any bugs that they would like to raise attention on?22:47
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mtreinishok let's move one then22:48
sdaguenot for me22:48
afazekas#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/125144822:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1251448 in tempest "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [Undecided,Won't fix]22:48
mtreinishafazekas: that's targetted against havana22:49
mtreinishwhat specifically about it?22:49
afazekasmtreinish: can we enable the tenant isolation on the Havana jobs ?22:49
sdagueafazekas: I doubt it22:49
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sdaguewe're only barely getting them working now22:50
mtreinishafazekas: yeah there is no way22:50
mtreinishsalv-orlando and I spent basically a week in Montreal getting that to work on the tempest side22:50
mtreinishand there were tons of fixes on the neutron side too22:50
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afazekasmtreinish: AFAIK it is working on tempest side in the stable/havana22:51
mtreinishafazekas: well sort of, it actually overprovisions stuff with tenant isolation22:51
mtreinishwhich causes issues22:51
mtreinishthat's why you see the network resources attr in the class definitions on some tests22:51
mtreinishanyway if there aren't any other bugs let's move on22:52
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews22:52
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mtreinishso I see dkranz put one on the agenda22:52
afazekasFixes also back-ported to neutron, and would be better to see more real issues than issues about not enabling that config option22:52
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104290/722:53
dkranz_mtreinish: I just wanted to get that through as it has suffered many rechecks and rebases22:53
mtreinishafazekas: the fixes were major rewrites of internals, they're not backportable22:53
mtreinishafazekas: we can talk about it in -qa after the meeting22:53
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mtreinishdkranz_: ok I'll take a look22:53
dkranz_mtreinish: thanks22:54
sdaguemtreinish: heh, remember the first spec I pushed that you hated? :)22:54
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dkranz_mtreinish: BTW, the last rebase involved a keystone api change22:54
dkranz_mtreinish: that clearly violates the api stability guidelines22:54
mtreinishsdague: vaguely, I remember it disappeared22:54
mtreinishsdague: why?22:54
sdaguethat was the make the client have single return22:55
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dkranz_mtreinish: which was approved without comment, including by you.22:55
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sdaguewhich was the class resp(dict): that had status as an attr22:55
sdagueit would make this code just cleaner22:55
dkranz_mtreinish: Is it our policy that  dev core +2 is all that is needed for such a violation?22:55
mtreinishsdague: yeah that was different, it wasn't talking about moving the checks out of tests22:56
sdaguemtreinish: nope22:56
mtreinishit was just a refactor to stop using a tuple22:56
sdagueI'm just thinking about it again with all the _, body22:56
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mtreinishdkranz_: yeah it's the same procedure as before22:56
dkranzsdague: Part of the proposal I made is removing the resp argument completely22:57
sdaguedkranz: the keystone change was unavoidable22:57
sdaguebecause it actually acts differently under apache22:57
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dkranzsdague: perhaps but it was not even marked with doc impact22:57
mtreinishdkranz_: oh, we just landed a skip for that22:57
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mtreinishif it's the head/get apache thing22:57
mtreinishthe test change shouldn't have landed yet22:58
dkranzmtreinish: No, and hopefully won't until my patch does22:58
nikhil___mtreinish: can we run over the time slot a little bit?22:58
dkranzmtreinish: because the change now has to be made in the client, not in the test.22:59
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mtreinishnikhil___: probably, I don't think there's anything after, but it'd be better to discuss it in -qa22:59
nikhil___ok sure22:59
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mtreinishdkranz: sure, that's why I don't like large refactors like this normally23:00
dkranz_mtreinish: Nor do I23:00
mtreinishalthough apparently I can't even remember 3 months back23:00
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mtreinishanyway we're at time23:00
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mtreinishthanks everyone23:00
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mtreinish#endmeeting23:00
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sdaguedkranz_: I just +2ed it23:01
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