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| nirbhay_ | hi everybody | 16:00 |
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| raildo | hi nirbhay_ | 16:02 |
| nirbhay_ | hi raildo | 16:02 |
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| sajeesh | hi nirbhay hi raildo | 16:02 |
| raildo | hi sajeesh | 16:02 |
| nirbhay_ | hi sajeesh | 16:02 |
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| rodrigods | hey =) | 16:03 |
| schwicke | hi | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | hi | 16:03 |
| nirbhay_ | hi | 16:03 |
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| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 11 16:04:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:04 |
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| schwicke | thanks for the lively off-line discussions :) | 16:04 |
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| schwicke | I think that was very usefull | 16:04 |
| nirbhay_ | yes | 16:04 |
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| schwicke | Maybe we should start then with the design document | 16:05 |
| raildo | yes | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:05 |
| schwicke | #topic design discussions | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design discussions (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:05 | |
| schwicke | So let's document the example here. We have a very simple tree A->B->C so one project at each level with A being the root | 16:06 |
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| schwicke | then we define "used Quota" = the resources used in the current project | 16:07 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:07 |
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| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:07 |
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| schwicke | Limit: the maximum for the current project | 16:07 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:07 |
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| schwicke | Allocatd: the quote allocated (or delegated) to the children (summed) | 16:08 |
| schwicke | A: free_quota= A :limit - (A : used + A: allocated) | 16:08 |
| nirbhay_ | yes | 16:08 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:08 |
| schwicke | B:free_quota=B:limit - (B:used + B: allocated) | 16:08 |
| schwicke | C:free_quota=C:limit - (C:used) | 16:08 |
| nirbhay_ | done | 16:08 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:08 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:09 |
| nirbhay_ | +1 | 16:09 |
| schwicke | So as far as I can see everbody is happy with this model | 16:09 |
| schwicke | right ? | 16:09 |
| nirbhay_ | yes | 16:09 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:09 |
| rodrigods | yeah | 16:09 |
| raildo | yes | 16:09 |
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| sajeesh | I was afraid that I had to rewrite my code | 16:09 |
| sajeesh | :-) | 16:09 |
| rodrigods | hehe | 16:10 |
| raildo | good luck for you :) | 16:10 |
| sajeesh | thanks raildo :-) | 16:10 |
| schwicke | #agreed to use the a model with minimal coupling between the projects | 16:10 |
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| sajeesh | raildo ,whether the token will contain the parent hierarchy and list of child projects | 16:11 |
| schwicke | in the last meeting we started to talk about the roles as well | 16:11 |
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| schwicke | yes, let's discuss that first | 16:12 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:12 |
| nirbhay_ | i think only admin should be able to change quota allocations | 16:13 |
| raildo | sajeesh: yes, we have to make a modification to include the top of the hierarchy in the token | 16:13 |
| sajeesh | ok raildo | 16:13 |
| sajeesh | raildo,what will be the format of the list of child projects ? | 16:14 |
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| raildo | "hierarchical_ids": "openstack.8a4ebcf44ebc47e0b98d3d5780c1f71a.de2a7135b01344cd82a02117c005ce47", | 16:15 |
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| raildo | a list of ids, from the top to the project. | 16:16 |
| raildo | a string* | 16:16 |
| sajeesh | ok raildo ..that will do | 16:16 |
| raildo | a string with the concatenation of ids separated by a dot. | 16:16 |
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| schwicke | is everybody happy with that ? | 16:17 |
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| nirbhay_ | it is upto project in which user has same role or up to root of tree... | 16:17 |
| raildo | for the children, I think about doing similar returning a string for each child. | 16:18 |
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| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | raildo,for children that will do | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | it can be string with dot delimiter | 16:19 |
| raildo | nirbhay_: to the top of the tree. | 16:19 |
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| nirbhay_ | yes for children it is ok | 16:19 |
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| raildo | nirbhay_: as to update the quota, I have to go over the top. | 16:19 |
| nirbhay_ | yes | 16:20 |
| sajeesh | raildo, I think we have to see the roles also | 16:20 |
| nirbhay_ | for that only u need to go up to the project in which user has same role.. | 16:20 |
| raildo | sajeesh: the token already contains the roles relating to the user. | 16:20 |
| nirbhay_ | so how that information will be available with token | 16:20 |
| raildo | "roles": [ { "id": "c60f0d7461354749ae8ac8bace3e35c5", "name": "admin" } ] | 16:21 |
| raildo | something like that | 16:21 |
| sajeesh | Raildo ,If you are giving me up to the top also no problem......I will filter it based on the roles | 16:21 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:22 |
| rodrigods | you don't need to walk the tree to updated the used quota, with the proposed solution | 16:22 |
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| rodrigods | so, since a user has a role in a project below the hierarchy, it can create instances in this project and the whole tree quota will be seemly updated | 16:22 |
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| nirbhay_ | i agree for used quota we need not to go up or down the tree.. | 16:23 |
| sajeesh | raildo,whether the role info contains role-id-user-id-project-id mapping....I am sorry if the doubt is misplaced | 16:24 |
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| rodrigods | yeah, and for limit's updates, it need to check if the parent has enough free limit. it will never be able to change the parent's limit. | 16:25 |
| rodrigods | this is how i see it working | 16:25 |
| rodrigods | free_limit = limit - allocated | 16:25 |
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| raildo | sajeesh: Yes, the token contains the link between role, user, projecet (in the case now, the inherited roles for your children) | 16:26 |
| raildo | project* | 16:26 |
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| sajeesh | ok raildo,that seems very useful ++1 | 16:27 |
| schwicke | I think we need to have a short discussion about who can do what where | 16:27 |
| nirbhay_ | agreed | 16:27 |
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| schwicke | The way I see it working is that there are 3 roles: the cloud admin, the project admin and a user role | 16:27 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | the cloud admin is a super user | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | in the sense that he is an admin of the root project | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | The cloud admin is the only one who can change the quota of the root projec | 16:29 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:29 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:29 |
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| schwicke | A normal admin can create projects inside his project, set their quota, and nomincate the admins of the child projects which he creates | 16:30 |
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| nirbhay_ | agreed | 16:31 |
| schwicke | A normal admin cannot change the quota of the project of which he is an admin IMO | 16:31 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:31 |
| schwicke | if we do that, then I think there is no need to check the quota of the parent, is there ? | 16:31 |
| schwicke | because only the admin of the parent can change the quota of a project ... | 16:31 |
| schwicke | ups, I think I should update the topic ... | 16:32 |
| schwicke | #topic roles | 16:32 |
| raildo | i agree | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roles (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:32 | |
| sajeesh | shwicke ,we can think about iy | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | shwicke ,we can think about it | 16:32 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,if possible can you please send a small design documentation regarding role inheritance...I doubt whether I am having a complete picture | 16:32 |
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| schwicke | sajeesh: do you have any doubts about this ? I think it is very important to agree on this nowish | 16:32 |
| raildo | sajeesh: ok | 16:33 |
| sajeesh | shwicke,I will think about it | 16:33 |
| sajeesh | raildo ,thanks | 16:33 |
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| sajeesh | shwicke,I will discuss that matter after getting raildo's document | 16:34 |
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| sajeesh | schwicke,yes I am having doubts | 16:35 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: tell me :) | 16:35 |
| raildo | This comes at a point that I wanted to discuss, inherited roles currently only work for domains. http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/3/content/api-1.html | 16:35 |
| sajeesh | schwicke,I will tell after reading the design documentation of raildo :-) | 16:36 |
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| raildo | we have to implement the API about inherited roles for projects. | 16:36 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:37 |
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| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:37 |
| schwicke | sure | 16:37 |
| schwicke | raildo: do you need help ? Maybe nirbhay could get involved in that ? | 16:37 |
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| raildo | I believe that the effort is not large, as it will be very similar to what already works today. | 16:38 |
| schwicke | #link http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/3/content/api-1.html | 16:38 |
| raildo | The folks at my team will develop this in the coming weeks but any problem, I bring here to the meeting. | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:39 |
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| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:39 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:39 |
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| schwicke | #action Raildo et al to implement the API for inherited roles for projects | 16:40 |
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| sajeesh | shwicke...we need to have a offline discussion on role inheritance | 16:41 |
| schwicke | ok, no problem | 16:41 |
| schwicke | #action discuss role inheritenance offline. Schwicke to re-send the proposal via e-mail | 16:41 |
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| raildo | Moreover, we are implementing using SQL as the backend, and discussing with the Keystone folks, we decided that we will not give support for LDAP. | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:42 |
| raildo | I'll include it in the spec. | 16:42 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:43 |
| schwicke | hmmm.... | 16:43 |
| schwicke | ldap support would have been for defining the roles ? | 16:43 |
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| rodrigods | to store the hierarchy, i think | 16:44 |
| schwicke | ah, ok | 16:44 |
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| raildo | " <morganfainberg> Ldap assignment is _very_ limited compared to the sql assignment backend" | 16:44 |
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| raildo | "<bknudson> If the question is do we really need to support ldap for hierarchical multitenancy, I would say let's not do it." | 16:44 |
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| raildo | So we will work only with SQL storage. | 16:45 |
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| schwicke | ok | 16:45 |
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| schwicke | in which meeting is that discussed by the way ? | 16:45 |
| bknudson | ldap assignment still needs to work | 16:45 |
| bknudson | but would expect it to be with single level projects | 16:46 |
| raildo | bknudson: ok | 16:46 |
| bknudson | and if someone really wants it for ldap they can do the work | 16:47 |
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| schwicke | ok, thanks for the info | 16:48 |
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| schwicke | anything else on this topic ? | 16:50 |
| raildo | no | 16:50 |
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| schwicke | ok, then let's move on | 16:50 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:50 |
| nirbhay_ | ok | 16:50 |
| schwicke | Last week we briefly discussed if we can do the meeting a bit earlier | 16:51 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:51 |
| nirbhay_ | yes | 16:51 |
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| schwicke | one hour earlier would be fine for me but I think that having it still earlier is difficult from India, right ? | 16:51 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:52 |
| schwicke | would 17MEST be fine ? | 16:53 |
| sajeesh | ok for me | 16:53 |
| nirbhay_ | ok fine | 16:53 |
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| schwicke | need to check though if that clashes with any other meeting | 16:53 |
| raildo | ok | 16:54 |
| schwicke | that would be 15UTC, correct ? | 16:54 |
| raildo | yes | 16:54 |
| schwicke | Clashes with blazar I'm afraid | 16:54 |
| raildo | 14UTC have another meeting? | 16:55 |
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| schwicke | 14UTC is not good far Sajeesh | 16:56 |
| sajeesh | 14 UTC is too early for me | 16:56 |
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| raildo | ok | 16:56 |
| schwicke | s/far/for/ | 16:56 |
| raildo | 16UTC, 17? :P | 16:58 |
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| schwicke | err... looks indeed as if we have to keep it as it is for now. | 16:58 |
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| schwicke | meeting time is over. | 16:59 |
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| raildo | ok | 16:59 |
| schwicke | so let's keep it for now as it is | 16:59 |
| schwicke | #agreed keep the meeting slot as it is now for the time being | 16:59 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 11 16:59:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-11-16.04.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-11-16.04.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-11-16.04.log.html | 16:59 |
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| schwicke | so see you next week then. Hoping for another lively discussion via e-mail about roles | 17:00 |
| sajeesh | ok | 17:00 |
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| nirbhay_ | ok | 17:01 |
| raildo | bye guys | 17:01 |
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