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| cyeoh | #startmeeting nova api | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 18 00:01:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi - who's here today? | 00:01 |
| alex_xu | hi | 00:02 |
| oomichi | hi | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | ok. lets get started. | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | #topic v2.1 on v3 | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-spec-priorities | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | so at the nova meeting today we got an exception for the v2.1 on v3, BUT its not approved. We have I think a week to get it approved | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84695/ if you can | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | if it looks good to you, +1 it as it will show the nova drivers reviewers that it has the support of the api team | 00:04 |
| oomichi | +1 for current spec of v2.1 :-) | 00:05 |
| alex_xu | I will take a look today, I think it 'sgood for me | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | thx - I will update it with any feedback today and Monday | 00:05 |
| gmann | cyeoh: now it include the microversion part also right? | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | gmann: yes, it has incorporated Sean's microversion proposal | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | since we were dependent on it anyway | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | now next Tuesday I will be going in for same day surgery so its unclear if I'll be able to update the spec wed/thu/fri | 00:06 |
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| cyeoh | (I hope I'll be back soon, but I might not be) | 00:06 |
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| oomichi | interesting point is that each backwards incompatible change increase version "X". now I agree with that. | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: would you mind handling updating the spec if it needs it while I'm away? | 00:07 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: ok, i can do it ;-) | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: thx! | 00:08 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: np, I will check status this week end always. | 00:08 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi: and re:X yes I think we need to get people used to the idea that with microversions small numbers of small backwards incompatible changes and if X gets bumped a lot that is fine | 00:08 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: the idea seems great for me now, that should be microversion. | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: yep, if I'm not back by the nova meeting on Friday you might need to bring it up there to make sure it gets reconsidered - I'm hoping it will be approved by then though | 00:09 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: when we find something wrong in the future, we can fix it. that is nice for us. | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: yep we no longer stuck with horrible apis forever | 00:10 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: we can continue improving our interfaces. | 00:10 |
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| cyeoh | is there anything else that people wanted to talk about microversions of v2.1 on v3? | 00:11 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: agree, great spec:-) | 00:11 |
| gmann | 1 question. as each backward incompatible leads to bump X. At the end of release user will see the version bump from x1 to x5 (if that many backward incompatible changes done within release) | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | gmann: yess | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | but if they don't want the new stuff, they can just request the old one as usual | 00:12 |
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| cyeoh | its not like say a v2->v3 transition where people would have been forced to use the new api | 00:12 |
| gmann | so from user point of view in between version bump is not visible. so what is the main advantage of bumping X for each backward incompatible changes instead of just bump once at the end of release | 00:12 |
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| cyeoh | gmann: we need to support continuous deployment for starters | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | so as stuff merges during the cycle those operators who deploy straight away can allow their users to start using the new apis | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | the other thing it allows is for say a user to say after a release that they just want x=4 | 00:14 |
| oomichi | I think the good point that we don't need to consider the end of release. and CD environments, we can use the latest APIs as experimental. | 00:14 |
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| cyeoh | and not have the new feature offered in x=5. | 00:14 |
| cyeoh | as they may not want the feature or the work required to handle the backwards incompatible change involved in transitioning from x=4 -> x=5 yet | 00:14 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi: yep we shouldn't be doing any synchornising of what x is at the end of a cycle, its just a number. | 00:15 |
| gmann | cyeoh: ohk, so you mean we will support for each in-between X version also after release too | 00:16 |
| cyeoh | gmann: yes | 00:16 |
| gmann | ok, got it Thanks. | 00:16 |
| cyeoh | gmann: its one reason maintenance for all this code has to be really low | 00:17 |
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| cyeoh | and if the backwards incompatible changes are small each time it'll also make it easier to understand/maintain in the future | 00:17 |
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| cyeoh | #topic api specs reviews | 00:17 |
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| gmann | yes. | 00:17 |
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| cyeoh | so one thing we changed in icehouse was requiring *any* api change, even if pretty trivial to go through nova-specs to make sure we don't acidentally make a backwards incompatible change | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | unfortunately from what I can see there are lots and lots of quite trivial api specs which are stuck in the nova-specs queue | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | I've been thinking we should ask the nova-drivers folks if there can be a fast track for the trivial nova api spec changes | 00:19 |
| cyeoh | (an example of this is say adding the ability to show which instances are locked | 00:19 |
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| cyeoh | because we don't want these sorts of changes held up for a cycle | 00:20 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi: if this is something you think is reasonable, perhaps you could bring it up at the mid-cycle meetup? | 00:20 |
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| oomichi | re: lock: yes, that is really trivial. | 00:20 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: yes, I will join mid-cycle. | 00:20 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: and I will bring them on the meetup. | 00:21 |
| cyeoh | thx - I was thinking something like, say a only requiring say a nova-core who is familiar with the api (say you or me) and just one nova-driver, rather than 2 | 00:21 |
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| cyeoh | hopefully that would speedup approval and we still have a second chance to pick up issues during normal code review | 00:22 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: np, will check them again before the meetup | 00:22 |
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| cyeoh | cool :-) | 00:22 |
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| cyeoh | #topic Open Discussion | 00:23 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: do you have anything special in the specs except v2.1? | 00:23 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi, well I don't think anything else is going to get approved :-( | 00:23 |
| cyeoh | I think a couple of alex_xu's would be really nice to be able to work on - re: api policy | 00:23 |
| cyeoh | but if v2.1 on v3 gets approved we will be totally flat out | 00:23 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: ah, I agree. api policy is already nice/important. | 00:24 |
| alex_xu | yes | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | if you can get them approved at the midcycle it would be great :-) | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | but of course v2.1 on v3 has the priority.... | 00:24 |
| alex_xu | agreed | 00:24 |
| oomichi | yep, right. | 00:24 |
| alex_xu | oomichi, thx | 00:25 |
| oomichi | there are some approved specs based on v3 api. | 00:25 |
| oomichi | if not getting approval for v2.1, they also are not exposed.. | 00:26 |
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| alex_xu | I have a set of bug fix for v3 api, So waiting for v2.1 get approved, then I can continue them? | 00:26 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: so if its a bug fix you might be able to just merge it | 00:27 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh, you mean I can update them now? | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | if its just a bug fix rather than new feature, I'd give it a go | 00:28 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh, and those bug fix still reference to old bp v3-api-inconsistencies | 00:28 |
| alex_xu | for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58458/ | 00:28 |
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| oomichi | alex_xu: better to skip them after the approval. because we will have a lot of v2.1 tasks. | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | so those sorts of ones that make 'v3' changes, I don't think we'll be able to merge yet | 00:29 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: we can fix them as microversion. | 00:29 |
| alex_xu | ok, let me skip them | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | but if there's a patch that say fixes a bug in the v3 api where it doesn't work properly (say returns a 500), then yes they can merge | 00:29 |
| alex_xu | ok | 00:30 |
| cyeoh | yep I agree with what oomichi said | 00:30 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: agree to fix bad error response codes. | 00:30 |
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| cyeoh | yep | 00:30 |
| oomichi | ah, one point. | 00:31 |
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| oomichi | can we add tenant-id to the url of v3 API? | 00:31 |
| alex_xu | good point~ | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | we don't want the tenant-id do we? | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | (or do you mean for v2.1 compat?) | 00:32 |
| oomichi | if we never expose v3 api forever, that is the big difference between v2 and v3 | 00:32 |
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| oomichi | yes, v2.1 compat | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | so we'll eventually do a microversion bump where we remove it | 00:33 |
| oomichi | ah, interesting idea. | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | as its not only not actually used, but its confusing because its not used | 00:33 |
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| cyeoh | I'd like to actually do a microversion bump where we remove '/v2' | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | it doesn't make any sense in a microversion environment either | 00:33 |
| oomichi | ok, now let keep tenant-id in the url. | 00:34 |
| alex_xu | the new api shoule use 'tenant_id' or 'project_id' before v3 exposed by micro-version? | 00:34 |
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| cyeoh | so I have a patch somewhere that allows the tenant id to be passed in the url when in v2.1 compat mode | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | but it doesn't actually use it (even v2 gets the project id info from the context now) | 00:35 |
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| cyeoh | what we do probably need to think about a bit (assuming v2.1 on v3 gets approved soon) is how make the v2.1/v3 switching logic a bit more generic | 00:36 |
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| cyeoh | at the moment when a request comes in we either do v2.1 or v3. But longer term we'll need to think about in terms of say an opaque "microversions object" | 00:37 |
| eliqiao | cyeoh: a question , if user use v2.1 api, will /v2.1 appear in the request url ? | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | this object has the version information contained in it. And our infrastructure switches through the different decorators based on how the microversions object matches against the version defs in the decorators | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | eliqiao: so initially by default I think we will export as /v2.1 | 00:38 |
| eliqiao | cyeoh: thx | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | eliqiao: this allows deployers to deploy both /v2 and /v2.1 | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | however its just a minor change to api-paste.ini and v2.1 can be exported as /v2 | 00:39 |
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| cyeoh | there's nothing hardcoded to /v2.1 at all | 00:39 |
| oomichi | right, we can use v2.1 as v2 default also. | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | yep | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | is there anything else that people wanted to talk about? I'm out of stuff | 00:41 |
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| eliqiao | if I understand correctlly , just add | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | /: oscomputeversions | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | /v1.1: openstack_compute_api_v2 | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | /v2: openstack_compute_api_v2 | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | /v3: openstack_compute_api_v3 | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | /v2.1: openstack_compute_api_v2 | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | is that correct ? | 00:41 |
| cyeoh | eliqiao: yea, that's basically how you can configure it | 00:41 |
| eliqiao | cyeoh: :） thank you. | 00:42 |
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| cyeoh | does anyone have anything else? otherwise I'll end the meeting early | 00:44 |
| oomichi | nice meeting, nothing from me. | 00:44 |
| gmann | me too | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | ok, thanks everyone | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 00:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 18 00:44:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-18-00.01.html | 00:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-18-00.01.txt | 00:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-18-00.01.log.html | 00:45 |
| oomichi | thanks all | 00:45 |
| gmann | Thanks all, have nice day | 00:45 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 00:45 |
| oomichi | yes, have a good day:-) | 00:45 |
| eliqiao | the same :) | 00:46 |
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| schwicke | hi | 16:00 |
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| raildo | hi schwicke | 16:00 |
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| schwicke | can't see nirbhay yet | 16:01 |
| rodrigods | hi all | 16:01 |
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| schwicke | sajeesh will probably not be able to connect today | 16:01 |
| raildo | ok | 16:02 |
| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 18 16:02:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:02 |
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| schwicke | I have 3 items which I think we need to discuss today | 16:02 |
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| schwicke | Timelines for Juno (are we on track?), authorization model for quota and the meeting slot | 16:03 |
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| schwicke | #topic time lines | 16:04 |
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| raildo | I thought the spec about multitenancy hierarchical should have been approved. | 16:04 |
| schwicke | are we stil in time for the next OS release ? | 16:04 |
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| raildo | but otherwise the implementation is well underway. | 16:05 |
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| raildo | I talked to morganfainberg in meeting the keystone Tuesday. Like me, he thinks reasonable, that hierarchical multitenancy still in Juno. | 16:06 |
| schwicke | ok. | 16:07 |
| schwicke | nevertheless we need to keep an eye on this. Will check with Nirbhay for the Nova part | 16:07 |
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| schwicke | #INFO no worries for now. | 16:08 |
| raildo | I hope in the next days the spec is approved. | 16:08 |
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| schwicke | #topic authorization schema: do we need/keep parent info in the ticket ? | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "authorization schema: do we need/keep parent info in the ticket ? (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:08 | |
| schwicke | so next topic, and this one is rather important I think | 16:09 |
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| schwicke | We had some disucssions via e-mail with Sajeesh about the mechanisms for authorization. | 16:09 |
| schwicke | I had sent around a wrap up of how I think it should be done | 16:09 |
| schwicke | Did you have a chance to think about this ? | 16:10 |
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| raildo | schwicke: I read your email and I agree with your design. | 16:10 |
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| Nirbhay_ | hi | 16:11 |
| schwicke | Hi, Nirbhay! | 16:11 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: hi | 16:11 |
| Nirbhay_ | hi | 16:11 |
| schwicke | we just switched to the discussions we had with Sajeesh | 16:11 |
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| Nirbhay_ | hi to all | 16:11 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:11 |
| schwicke | so in the model I propose there is no need to have any knowledge about the parent in the keystone ticket. | 16:12 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:12 |
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| Nirbhay_ | i agree with it.. | 16:12 |
| schwicke | Sajeesh thinks that this model is less flexible than his model where the keystone token contains knowledge of the parent | 16:13 |
| raildo | but is simpler. | 16:13 |
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| morganfainberg | schwicke, be careful about adding extra data into the keystone token | 16:14 |
| morganfainberg | schwicke, the keystone tokens already have *size* issues | 16:14 |
| Nirbhay_ | yeah it is simple and easy for end user to understand.. | 16:14 |
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| schwicke | morganfainberg: that is why I want to clarify this and make a decision | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | it's not a lot more data (if it's only one parent up), but... all data counts | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | if it's the whole tree, i say no | 16:15 |
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| schwicke | I'm very much in favor of not having the parent data in the ticket and do it the way I proposed | 16:15 |
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| morganfainberg | schwicke, ++ ok, *just jumping in on things that worry me* :) | 16:16 |
| schwicke | the only use case which is covered by Sajeesh model can be covered on the client side | 16:16 |
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| * morganfainberg has to run, i'll catch up with raildo on any specific topics that result from this that i need to know about / sync up with folks about | 16:17 | |
| morganfainberg | or anyone can find me in #openstack-keystone later today :) | 16:17 |
| raildo | I think we agreed to use the schwicke model and lessen the impact on the token. | 16:17 |
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| schwicke | any objections anyone ? | 16:17 |
| raildo | morganfainberg: ok :) | 16:17 |
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| Nirbhay_ | no | 16:17 |
| schwicke | if not we decide on the model as proposed by me | 16:17 |
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| schwicke | #agreed we'll implement the simple auth model which does not require knowledge of the parent | 16:18 |
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| schwicke | Great. I think for the design we are done, aren't we ? | 16:18 |
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| Nirbhay_ | i think we should confirm it with sajeesh that there is issue in implementing schwicke model | 16:18 |
| raildo | schwicke: yes | 16:18 |
| schwicke | yes, we'll need to check with him | 16:19 |
| schwicke | I think we'll have to apply a few code changes | 16:19 |
| schwicke | #action review code from Sajeesh in view of the decided model | 16:19 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:19 |
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| schwicke | Nirbhay: that is something you can do as well | 16:20 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:20 |
| Nirbhay_ | i will | 16:20 |
| schwicke | Great. So last topic for today is the meeting slot - unless you have anything else on this topic | 16:20 |
| schwicke | #topic meeting slot | 16:21 |
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| schwicke | raildo: thanks for the proposal | 16:21 |
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| raildo | schwicke: you have seen the sajeesh's blueprint is freeze? | 16:21 |
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| schwicke | nope, is it ? | 16:21 |
| raildo | schwicke: yes | 16:21 |
| schwicke | ok, we need to check with him | 16:22 |
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| schwicke | AFAIK he has implemented his model. With a bit of luck both are supported ... | 16:23 |
| raildo | I went to the meeting yesterday of the Nova, and it was decided that it should send an email to the mailing list, asking for an "exception" to be released in Juno. | 16:23 |
| schwicke | to openstack-dev ? | 16:23 |
| schwicke | or the nova list ? | 16:23 |
| raildo | I think in the openstack-dev | 16:24 |
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| raildo | but you can confirm with him. | 16:24 |
| schwicke | will do | 16:24 |
| raildo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-juno-spec-priorities | 16:24 |
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| raildo | Sorry to bother the previous topic, I thought it important to inform that. | 16:25 |
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| schwicke | yes, definitely | 16:27 |
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| schwicke | thansk | 16:27 |
| raildo | talking about meeting slot, the time 1300 UTC(on another day) would be good for you? | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | that's 15pm here. Fine by me. | 16:29 |
| schwicke | Not sure about BARC ? | 16:29 |
| Nirbhay_ | Not for BARC | 16:29 |
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| raildo | Nirbhay_: any suggestions? | 16:29 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:30 |
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| schwicke | tell us :) | 16:31 |
| Nirbhay_ | not in between 1100UTC to 1400 UTC | 16:31 |
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| schwicke | 14:00 UTC would be ok ? | 16:32 |
| Nirbhay_ | 14:30 would be ok | 16:32 |
| raildo | sound good to me | 16:33 |
| schwicke | ok for me as well | 16:33 |
| schwicke | Which day? | 16:33 |
| rodrigods | +1 14:30 | 16:33 |
| schwicke | Thursday is bad for me | 16:33 |
| Nirbhay_ | Tue or Wed | 16:34 |
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| raildo | wednesday, 14:30UTC? | 16:35 |
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| raildo | is good for everyone? | 16:35 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:35 |
| schwicke | ok. Need to check still if there is a clash with another meeting | 16:36 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:36 |
| raildo | I checked, no have meeting in this time. | 16:36 |
| raildo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 16:36 |
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| schwicke | xen api is at 15:00 UTC | 16:37 |
| schwicke | are 30 min enough for us ? | 16:37 |
| Nirbhay_ | may be | 16:37 |
| raildo | I believe that we can test. | 16:38 |
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| Nirbhay_ | mostly discussion are on email | 16:38 |
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| schwicke | ok, then let's go for that | 16:38 |
| raildo | ok | 16:39 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:39 |
| schwicke | #agreed new meeting slot Wednesday 14:30 UTC i | 16:39 |
| Nirbhay_ | agreed | 16:39 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:39 |
| schwicke | I'll update the meeting page | 16:40 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:40 |
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| raildo | I have to leave now, bye guys | 16:41 |
| schwicke | done | 16:41 |
| schwicke | I think we are done | 16:41 |
| schwicke | AOB ? | 16:41 |
| Nirbhay_ | done | 16:41 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 18 16:41:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-18-16.02.html | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-18-16.02.txt | 16:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-18-16.02.log.html | 16:41 |
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| schwicke | see you on Wednesday ! | 16:42 |
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