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| yamahata_ | hi | 05:01 |
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| vishwanathj | hello | 05:01 |
| natarajk | hi | 05:01 |
| yamahata_ | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 05:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:01 |
| yamahata_ | Today Bob doesn't attend | 05:02 |
| yamahata_ | Do we have s3wong? | 05:02 |
| natarajk | yamahata: I want to introduce vish from Brocade | 05:03 |
| yamahata_ | seems no. anyway today we don't have much topics. | 05:03 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: sure. | 05:03 |
| natarajk | he will be contributing to ServiceVM | 05:03 |
| yamahata_ | #topic Announcement | 05:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcement (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:03 | |
| yamahata_ | #chair natarajk | 05:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: natarajk yamahata_ | 05:03 |
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| vishwanathj | Hello everybody....I am Vish and work with Karthik at Brocade | 05:04 |
| yamahata_ | vishwanathj: hi | 05:04 |
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| natarajk | yamahata: i have added review comments in the latest Tacker spec | 05:05 |
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| yamahata_ | natarajk: Sure, I'll check it today or tomorrow. | 05:05 |
| s3wong | sorry, a bit late | 05:05 |
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| yamahata_ | I have some questions on it. I'd like to discuss it later | 05:05 |
| yamahata_ | s3wong: Hi | 05:06 |
| natarajk | i still see some requirements regarding physical topology support | 05:06 |
| yamahata_ | no problem | 05:06 |
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| yamahata_ | natarajk: what kind of requirement? | 05:06 |
| natarajk | in tacker spec | 05:06 |
| natarajk | i couldn't completly understand the topology related requirements (It is documented under responsibilities section) | 05:07 |
| yamahata_ | I see. I think attach/detach interface api is needed in additio | 05:07 |
| natarajk | yes | 05:08 |
| yamahata_ | #topic servicevm spec review | 05:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "servicevm spec review (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:08 | |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: which line of the spec? | 05:09 |
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| natarajk | line 54 | 05:09 |
| natarajk | is it physical topology of VMs ? | 05:09 |
| natarajk | what is it used for ? | 05:10 |
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| yamahata_ | It's about service insertion/chaining | 05:10 |
| natarajk | do we need to store it | 05:11 |
| natarajk | ? | 05:11 |
| yamahata_ | wait | 05:11 |
| yamahata_ | Sorry, I misunderstood. It's about physical appliance case. | 05:11 |
| natarajk | For physical appliance why do we want to discover the topology ? | 05:12 |
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| yamahata_ | Cisco CSR1k supports both physical/virtual. So they want uniform API for virtual/physical | 05:12 |
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| natarajk | would we use the topology information to do policy based allocation ? | 05:13 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: Correct. For that purpose. | 05:13 |
| natarajk | i think we need to add some examples in the responsibilities section | 05:14 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: For routervm l3 plugin case, we have mostly none for it. | 05:14 |
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| yamahata_ | Bob proposed the sentence, and he'd like to clarify future direction. | 05:14 |
| natarajk | yes, that's what i thought | 05:15 |
| natarajk | we can continue the discussion in gerrit | 05:15 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: sure. | 05:15 |
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| yamahata_ | #topic openstack conference submition | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack conference submition (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:15 | |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: you have submitted the proposal. | 05:16 |
| natarajk | yes | 05:16 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: thanks | 05:16 |
| natarajk | welcome. Let's hope it gets selected :) | 05:16 |
| yamahata_ | (Un?)Fortunately, the proposal is also submitted from Intel internal queue. | 05:16 |
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| s3wong | natarajk: yes, Thanks! | 05:17 |
| yamahata_ | Later we will arbiterate | 05:17 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: Probably I'll contact you later. | 05:17 |
| natarajk | yamahata: sure | 05:17 |
| yamahata_ | #topic open discussion | 05:18 |
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| natarajk | yamahata: i saw that l3 db mixin refactoring is getting good comments | 05:18 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: Yes. Today I'll respin it. | 05:19 |
| yamahata_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108728/ l3 db mixin refactoring | 05:19 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: Do you have any requirement on refactoring? | 05:19 |
| yamahata_ | natarajk: I hope it's also useful for vyatta l3 plugin | 05:20 |
| natarajk | yamahata: in my l3 plugin, i am using the rpc notifier for the firewall agent | 05:20 |
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| natarajk | as firewall agent needs messages from l3 plugin | 05:20 |
| natarajk | regarding router config updates | 05:20 |
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| yamahata_ | natarajk: I see. Do you have firewall driver publicly available? or not yet? | 05:21 |
| natarajk | we have a POC | 05:21 |
| yamahata_ | cool | 05:21 |
| natarajk | but as firewall service plugin framework is getting refactored, i am waiting for it to get stabilized | 05:22 |
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| yamahata_ | natarajk: understand | 05:22 |
| yamahata_ | I have one question on l3 plugin implementation | 05:23 |
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| natarajk | yes | 05:23 |
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| yamahata_ | RE: router-remove-interface | 05:23 |
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| yamahata_ | The neutron port is deleted on behalf of nova detach interface | 05:23 |
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| yamahata_ | Since the device owner of neutron port is router, so doen't port deletion fail? | 05:24 |
| yamahata_ | Or you do some trick to work around it? | 05:24 |
| natarajk | we change the owner during the port deletioin process | 05:24 |
| yamahata_ | Oh. Got it. | 05:24 |
| natarajk | you can check the code. | 05:24 |
| yamahata_ | I missed it. I'll recheck the code. | 05:25 |
| natarajk | we set the device_owner to empty before deleting the port | 05:25 |
| yamahata_ | Makes sense | 05:25 |
| yamahata_ | thanks for explanation | 05:26 |
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| natarajk | welcome | 05:26 |
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| yamahata_ | anything else to discuss? | 05:26 |
| yamahata_ | okay thank you everyone | 05:27 |
| yamahata_ | see you next week | 05:27 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 05:28 |
| s3wong | bye | 05:28 |
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| yamahata_ | #endmeeting | 05:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 05:28:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-29-05.01.html | 05:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-29-05.01.txt | 05:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-07-29-05.01.log.html | 05:28 |
| natarajk | bye | 05:28 |
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| sc68cal | whos | 14:02 |
| sc68cal | ready for the ipv6 subteam | 14:02 |
| carlp | me! | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 14:02:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| xuhanp | hello | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:03 |
| BrianB__ | hi | 14:03 |
| sc68cal | So the radvd support landed last week, and we got a feature freeze exception for stateful/stateless support | 14:04 |
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| carlp | excellent! | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106299/ stateful/stateless support | 14:06 |
| xuhanp | We got some feedback for the mini version of dnsmasq | 14:06 |
| xuhanp | Do you guys think we should no longer support version < 2.63 ? | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: I think 2.63 is now the minimum version that neutron will support | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | by not support I mean exit the program when version <2.63 | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | right now it's a warning without exiting. | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | Really? hmm - yeah it should be exiting if not 2.63 or greater | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/5fd147e5371f14aeb3cfe9da244093d1190b5614 | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | ok. that will make the code much clearer | 14:10 |
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| xuhanp | there was a commit which was trying to support dnsmasq on RH6.4 | 14:10 |
| xuhanp | which is 2.48 if I remember that correctly. | 14:10 |
| * sc68cal barfs | 14:10 | |
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| sc68cal | that's ancient | 14:11 |
| xuhanp | yep. | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | Let's start a thread on the ML so we can get input from cores, but yeah to my mind it's gotta be at least 2.63 for ipv6 support | 14:12 |
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| xuhanp | Sure. will send out the email soon | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: thanks | 14:13 |
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| sc68cal | HenryG: I see you've got a patch to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1345341 | 14:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1345341 in neutron "radvd needs functional tests" [High,In progress] | 14:14 |
| HenryG | yes, I need Maru's eyes on it | 14:14 |
| HenryG | Also the devstack patch needs to go upstream first | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | This devstack patch? https://review.openstack.org/107801 | 14:16 |
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| HenryG | yup | 14:17 |
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| sc68cal | HenryG: ok | 14:18 |
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| sc68cal | Are there any other high priority items that I have missed? | 14:20 |
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| amotoki | hi i would like to add IPv6 related fields to horizon. | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | looks like we got the python-neutronclient changes merge | 14:22 |
| amotoki | It must be small, but there are valid combinations for ipv6 two modes and I need to investigate valid combinations. any pointers? | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | amotoki: there is a BP that was registered for horizon | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | amotoki: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/neutron-subnet-mode-support | 14:24 |
| aveiga | amotoki: the valid mode combinations are already listed in the API spec | 14:24 |
| aveiga | there's a table in there | 14:24 |
| amotoki | sc68cal: oh I remember. perhaps I reviewd several months ago. | 14:24 |
| amotoki | sc68cal: my question is valid combinations depend on deployment or all combo are valid for all deployments? | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | amotoki: all valid combos are valid for all deployments | 14:26 |
| amotoki | sc68cal: thanks for your help. It really helps me when reviewing horizon code. | 14:27 |
| amotoki | I need to moving it forward. | 14:27 |
| sc68cal | amotoki: cool, thanks | 14:27 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any other business to discuss? | 14:31 |
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| sc68cal | OK- I'll be in #openstack-neutron if anyone needs me, and the mailing list. I'll give back 30 minutes to everyone | 14:33 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 14:33:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-29-14.02.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-29-14.02.txt | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-07-29-14.02.log.html | 14:33 |
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| ngm7 | Hi! I am Naman. I wanted to attend the Gantt meeting. This is my first time attending an openstack meet. I wanted to know if I am at the right place. | 14:52 |
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| bauzas | hi ngm7 | 14:59 |
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| bauzas | this week, there is a mid-sprint meeting for nova contribs | 15:00 |
| bauzas | so most of the people are not here | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | but opening a meeting now to let people know | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 15:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | #info Most of the Gantt contributors are in Beaverton, OR for mid-cycle meeting | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | #info unless people have urgent queries for Scheduler or Gantt, we will not do today's meeting | 15:02 |
| bauzas | so, who wants to talk here now? | 15:02 |
| ngm7 | hi bauzas! | 15:02 |
| bauzas | hi ngm7 | 15:03 |
| ngm7 | umm.. I just wanted to say Hi! drop in to meetings and see how things work. I am a graduate student at North Carolina State University. | 15:03 |
| bauzas | sure | 15:03 |
| bauzas | welcome in the team :) | 15:03 |
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| ngm7 | i'll reserve what I have to say when I have formed my thoughts better :P just wanted to look around for now. | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | ngm7: so as I said, this week is not the good one for discussing :) | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | ngm7: because most of ppl are off | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | ngm7: as it's only 8am PST for them | 15:05 |
| ecrl | Hey all! It's my first meeting, decided to come check it out since I might be doing some development work with Openstack! I'm a student at Marist College in New York | 15:05 |
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| ngm7 | bauzas: right! | 15:05 |
| bauzas | ecrl: welcome too | 15:05 |
| ecrl | thanks | 15:05 |
| bauzas | for both of you, you can look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute | 15:06 |
| ecrl | Thanks for the info | 15:06 |
| ngm7 | +1 | 15:06 |
| bauzas | that's a first pointer for seeing how to contribute | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | so, I'll close the meeting now | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | ngm7: ecrl: you can ask in #openstack-nova if you need some help | 15:08 |
| bauzas | see you all of you | 15:08 |
| bauzas | bye | 15:08 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 15:08:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-29-15.01.html | 15:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-29-15.01.txt | 15:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-07-29-15.01.log.html | 15:08 |
| ngm7 | thanks bauzas! | 15:08 |
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| ecrl | yes, thanks bauzas! | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 17:03:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:03 |
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| k4n0 | Hi o/ | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 Hi there | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 let's wait for others | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | tbarron hi there | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | tbarron sorry* | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | tzabal hi there | 17:06 |
| tzabal | boris-42 hi | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 could you please update | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | share updates | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 I saw you got merged tempest related patch | 17:09 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, I am working on adding unit test coverage and adding context setup timing data | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 so how's that go? | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 btw are you working on --json stuff? | 17:11 |
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| k4n0 | boris-42, I have no blockers, will finish task in a day or two. | 17:11 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, --json patch is under review | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 but it doesn't add to all command --json | 17:11 |
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| k4n0 | boris-42, which command are left? | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 all | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 all commands should accept --json | 17:12 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, ok, i have this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106813/ | 17:12 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, i will add to it | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 in your patch you are adding only to "deploy config" and "task results" | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 but we have much more commands | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 btw you don't need to add everything in single patch | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 it can be chain of patches, so it will be simpler to review it | 17:14 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, other commands dont have output which can be shown in json, but i will check | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 all list commands | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 all run commands | 17:15 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, ok, i will check | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 all commands that have output should have a way to be displayed in json | 17:15 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, got it | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 as well I think that it makes sense to do alias | 17:16 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, alias? | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 "rally task show" instead of "rally task details" | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | oh no | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | no details | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | but "resutls" | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | e.g. rally task show and rally task results will be similar | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | and we will deprecate "results" | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 ^ | 17:17 |
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| k4n0 | boris-42, ok | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | rediskin around?? | 17:17 |
| rediskin | yep | 17:17 |
| k4n0 | #action deprecate rally task results for rally task show | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 #action deprecate rally task results for rally task show | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 #action add to all commands --json | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | #action add to all commands --json | 17:18 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, got it | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | heh there is no irc bot message | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | for actions | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | so as well what we need is --show-uuid | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 today with andreykuriling and rediskin we discussed | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 that it's quite hard to use in bash scripts rally | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 cause we don't know UUID of created resources | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 so it will be nice to add to all commands that are creating argument | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 --show-uuid that will display only one line of output that contains uuid of created resource | 17:20 |
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| rediskin | k4n0: to be able to write something like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/88961/ | 17:20 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, ok, so all create commands will show uuid if --show-uuid is used | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 yep like rediskin ^ showed | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | okay let some | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | let's move** | 17:22 |
| k4n0 | ok got it | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | #topic RPS load generator | 17:22 |
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| k4n0 | #action http://paste.openstack.org/show/88961/ | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | Oaky finally we merged patch | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | that fixes periodic runner | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | and actually change it's name to something more clear | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | so we have some kind of "Scenario per seconds" runner | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | know | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | woot | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102363/ | 17:23 |
| rediskin | there is already some changes in rps on review | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102363/ | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | rediskin yep could you share about them | 17:24 |
| rediskin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110007/ | 17:24 |
| rediskin | just some improvements | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | rediskin --verobse share about what is changed there | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | ^_^ | 17:25 |
| rediskin | most significant change is joinig completed threads once they completed | 17:25 |
| rediskin | current prs runner statrs all threads | 17:25 |
| rediskin | and then join all threads | 17:25 |
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| rediskin | if we specify "100000" times in config | 17:26 |
| rediskin | we got 100000 alive threads | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin ohhh | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin so that won't work=) | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin is your patch ready? | 17:26 |
| rediskin | it will work with 64 bit PID identifiers %) | 17:27 |
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| rediskin | yes, it is ready | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | rediskin okay so we will need to review it=) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 ^ | 17:27 |
| k4n0 | boris-42, yes, ill review it | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | tbarron ping* | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Production ready cleanups | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | sooo guys it's quite large stuff | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | first of all we should | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | 1) Split admin and user cleanups | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | 2) Make cleanup more offline ready | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | e.g. we should be able to kill rally process | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | and restore process of cleanuping | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | 3) Make a cleanup specific per task / so we will be able to cleanup resources related to only one task | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | 4) Add functional job that will check that cleanup works in any case (even if rally process fails in the middle) | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | rediskin ^ are you ready for this?) | 17:30 |
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| rediskin | ohh | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin yep it's quite largeeee task | 17:31 |
| rediskin | i just trying to split admin and user cleanup | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | rediskin yep when you finish that I will help you with explaining next steps=) | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | rediskin btw we should have next submethods | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin cleanup_tenant_resources, cleanupt_user_resources | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | rediskin in both admin and user cleanup context | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | rediskin cause quotas, images are per tenant, and instances are more per user | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin thoughts? | 17:33 |
| rediskin | i can tell you more after splitting admin and users cleanups | 17:34 |
| rediskin | i missing a lot in cleanup stuff | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | rediskin yep this is quite large topis | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | topic | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | rediskin probably I should create big blueprint with link to the google doc | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | #action make a big doc about cleanup stuff | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Specs | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | I think that we should make in doc/ new directory doc/specs | 17:36 |
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| rediskin | maybe we should write docs about cleanup mechanism in dos/sources/cleanup.rst | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin +1 | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | rediskin did you take a look at doc jobs? | 17:37 |
| rediskin | no | 17:37 |
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| rediskin | which jobs? | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | rediskin gate-<project-name>-docs | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | rediskin actually we have already one | 17:38 |
| rediskin | but there is a gate-rally-docs job already in rally | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | rediskin but it won't check rally/docs/specs | 17:38 |
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| rediskin | it should be different job? | 17:39 |
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| rediskin | one more repo on rtfd.org? | 17:39 |
| rediskin | separate rally and rally-specs? | 17:39 |
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| rediskin | i thought rally-specs will be just another section of rally-docs | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | rediskin then they should be in rally/doc/source | 17:40 |
| rediskin | yes | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin https://github.com/openstack/oslo-specs/blob/master/tox.ini#L17-L18 | 17:41 |
| rediskin | we have something similar in rally | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/tox.ini#L32-L35 | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin ^ it's different a bit | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | rediskin in any case maybe we should just refactor current docs | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin e.g. everything that is in source move to the top | 17:42 |
| rediskin | i believe there is "make html" in setup.py %) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | rediskin and have in rtfm everything | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin so we will have Samples, user_stoires and other in rtfm | 17:43 |
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| rediskin | yes, it would be nice | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin okay I will make some small patch | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | rediskin to refactor this | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | rediskin its not to much work | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | #action refactor rtfm | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | anybody would like to discuss anything? | 17:45 |
| lordd | a quick question: Would somebody want help into improving the installation method for CentOS? | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | lordd as far as I know you tried to install it on Fuel controller? | 17:46 |
| lordd | well.. yeah, not as smooth as I wanted it to be, so I tried again on an empty CentOS machine | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | lordd it's problem of fuel controller image | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | lordd Centos that is used for Fuel controller is very custom | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | lordd as well you shouldn't install rally on Fuel controllers | 17:47 |
| lordd | ok, got it, makes sense | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | lordd actually we have functional testing, that is run on every patch in rally | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | lordd that checks that that script works in centos and ubuntu | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | lordd and installas rally successfully | 17:48 |
| lordd | so, rally is also funcional with 6.5, ok | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | lordd I hope so=) | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | rediskin what Centos image is in gates? | 17:49 |
| tzabal | lordd i have tested it against CentOS 6.5 and it installed rally successfully | 17:50 |
| rediskin | boris-42: 6.5 afair | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | rediskin okay good=) | 17:50 |
| lordd | ok, we're good then, sorry for the fuzz | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | lordd no worries and don't install rally on Fuel controllers=) | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | tzabal as you are here | 17:51 |
| lordd | haha, sorry it was for quick testing | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | lordd it's better to use VMs even in such case=) | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | lordd or your laptop=) | 17:52 |
| lordd | eventually, though where should cloud admins have rally installed? | 17:52 |
| lordd | when rally is a service | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | lordd at some day it will be horizon plugin | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | lordd and it will be installed probably on controllers | 17:52 |
| lordd | ok, for the moment I learnt my lesson and I have my vm with it | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | lordd yep it's definitely better=) but we are working on getting this as a horizon plugin | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | lordd so fuel will install it (like murano and so on) | 17:53 |
| lordd | when you need help with the UI, ring a bell :) | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | tzabal wanna discuss your work? | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | lordd hm you are UI guy/ | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | ? | 17:54 |
| lordd | depends of the UI, but I can do things with it | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | lordd and write a code?) | 17:54 |
| lordd | my Python is a sysadmin python | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | lordd and js?) | 17:55 |
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| lordd | yep, the same | 17:55 |
| lordd | can do it, but will be ugly | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | lordd =) | 17:55 |
| tzabal | boris-42 well i hope that we will have a functional vm benchmarking in some days :) | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | tzabal ya it takes sometimes a lot of time to get done stuff=) | 17:56 |
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| tzabal | boris-42 yeap | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | tzabal okay hope to see your patches=) | 17:56 |
| tzabal | boris-42 right now the context works without the extra utils module that i have created | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | tzabal nize | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | nice* | 17:56 |
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| tzabal | boris-42 the "bad" thing is that i have 3 patches under review, and in order to see that vm benchmarking actually works, you need to have all of them merged | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | tzabal nope you don't need | 17:57 |
| tzabal | boris-42 how come? | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | tzabal just do next thing | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | tzabal put all patches in one branch | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | tzabal e.g. create one branch | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | tzabal and cherry-pick them with keeping proper order | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | tzabal and run git review -R | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | tzabal gerrit will set automactially dependencies | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | tzabal and everything will work=) | 17:58 |
| tzabal | boris-42 hm ok i will check it | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | okay thank you guys for joining meeting | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | see you | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 18:00:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-29-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-29-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-07-29-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| stevemar | ahoy hoy | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | keystone meeting time! | 18:00 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| gyee | nothing on the agenda today? | 18:00 |
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| gyee | k, we need stevemar to do the table flip then | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, looks empty to me. | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | gyee, I'm not ready! | 18:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | I made some progress on JSON Home -- | 18:01 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: hey | 18:01 |
| dolphm | SWEET FIRST EMPTY AGENDA IN FOREVER | 18:01 |
| bknudson | proposed change to spec | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 18:01:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #topic Entertainment by stevemar | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: o/ | 18:01 |
| henrynash | dolphm: is that a song? | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | by popular demand... (╯°□°）╯ ┻━┻ | 18:01 |
| gyee | w00t! | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #action stevemar encore! | 18:02 |
| stevemar | oh jeez | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-) | 18:02 |
| ayoung | I'm here | 18:02 |
| bknudson | any tables left? | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | yay! | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, tokens? | 18:03 |
| henrynash | i can juggle…but hard to show on IRC | 18:03 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: tokens? | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109881/ -- JSON Home change for API | 18:03 |
| stevemar | the non-persistent kind | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | everybody dance? (>'-')> <('-'<) ^(' - ')^ <('-'<) (>'-')> | 18:03 |
| bknudson | and I rewrote the server to support it -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103983/ | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i started tracking blueprints against juno-3 this morning: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-3 | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, the whole uuid vs pki thing. | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | that excludes hierarchical multitenancy, which i think should go into a feature branch for juno | 18:04 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ah | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, i groaned so hard when I saw all the code you needed to re-write for JSON home | 18:04 |
| stevemar | every router :( | 18:05 |
| bknudson | stevemar: I should split it up... | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ if you don't mind. | 18:05 |
| bknudson | but I needed some way for the router to have some state. | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: yeah | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it looks straight forward, just a lot of code | 18:05 |
| stevemar | bknudson, nah, it's not that, I'm just used to seeing the routers look the same | 18:05 |
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| gyee | stevemar, I have the same feeling, seem like its scream out for a decorator or something | 18:05 |
| bknudson | ok. I'll work on splitting it up into reviewable chunks | 18:06 |
| henrynash | dolphm: (as an aside, I am sure my name continues to be taken in vain/ referred to as a PITA on the hierachical MT spec…since I will keep -1ing it until we get a spec that actually explains how we solve a use case) | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, thank you! :) | 18:06 |
| stevemar | henrynash, sounds like a good reason to be a PITA | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i'm supporting your -1's fwiw. we shouldn't be adding code for the sake of adding code. | 18:07 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ++ | 18:07 |
| gyee | henrynash, yeah, there are known unknowns with that spec | 18:07 |
| dstanek | henrynash: ++ | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i agree, this sounds like something that will need to be a feature branch for juno, possibly merged in Kilo | 18:08 |
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| henrynash | stevemar: and thanks to your federation K2K we have a good example of how to relate a proposed change to solving a use case | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | henrynash, speaking of k2k.. i really need to take a deep dive into pysaml2 and figure out how to make the darn assertion | 18:09 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i need to figure out how to make a feature branch for it, get the code proposed there, and target the bp to 'next' | 18:09 |
| gyee | kilo reminds me of scarface | 18:09 |
| dolphm | which will reflect the merge | 18:09 |
| dolphm | is kilo the official name? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yep | 18:10 |
| stevemar | i think it is | 18:10 |
| gyee | I snort a kilo! | 18:10 |
| henrynash | stevemar: ah, yes, it did kinda of asume we could work out how to do that :-) | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | woo! two of us independently came up with that name :D | 18:10 |
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| bknudson | is there a town in France called Kilo? | 18:10 |
| henrynash | it had to be kilo…. | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | near to france the "kilogram" (the offical measurement of what a kilo is) is stored | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | interesting | 18:10 |
| dolphm | the actual physical reference | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 18:11 |
| henrynash | bknudson: there’s certainly a lump of metal that’s kind imprortant that the French have... | 18:11 |
| dolphm | which also defines a liter of water | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | 1 kilogram of pure water = 1 liter, i think | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, interesting | 18:11 |
| stevemar | dolphm, i think you are right | 18:11 |
| stevemar | if i recall high school science class... | 18:11 |
| henrynash | hmm, experiemnt: so how “un-pure: is coffee….waht happens if I drink a kilo of it.... | 18:12 |
| dolphm | oh, and 1ml of water cubed has 1cm sides, so that's how a centimeter is defined | 18:12 |
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| stevemar | sounds like dolphm is a fan of the metric system | 18:12 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:12 |
| bknudson | ice water? | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | metric system lesson in Keystone Meeting today, hosted by dolphm | 18:12 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | so, i guess we have a real topic, but this is also worthy of a spec that doesn't exist yet | 18:13 |
| dolphm | #topic PKI or UUID as the default provider | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pki-vs-uuid | 18:13 |
| bknudson | L will probably be Liter. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | this is a comparison of the state/history of PKI & UUID ^ | 18:13 |
| stevemar | who do we break? we have to break someone | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | not as glamourous as cosmos hosted by NDT or sagan. | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | which looks like a pretty good argument to change the default back to UUID | 18:13 |
| bknudson | there's deployments using both PKI and UUID | 18:13 |
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| bknudson | some have tried using PKI and they wound up using UUID | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | the original reason for changing the default to PKI was to catch issues with PKI earlier by exposing a wider audience to it via devstack (early in the grizzly cycle, IIRC) | 18:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that's the most common scenario i've heard | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | as much as it pains me to say it, we could focus on making uuid tokens way better | 18:15 |
| dolphm | lots of people try PKI, find problems, and give up. it should work the other way around - adventurous deployments should be experimenting with the unknown quantity | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | I just saw a bug roll through recently pertaining to PKI tokens | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | rather than forcing people to PKI | 18:15 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:15 |
| bknudson | I think there was talk of a nightly test run that could have PKI tokens. | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'd setup a tempest run that only ran for keystone that does PKI | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: that would work; where was that discussion? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's the *way* forward. | 18:15 |
| henrynash | if we don’t use PKI, do we have a solution for production-at -scale? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | I'm pretty sure there's already some kind of occasional run that posts failures to some -qa list | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i have some ideas on how to make uuid scale. | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | morganfainberg: would you want to add that to the etherpad? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, from what i gathered on infra, we can have tempest runs that are exclusive to keystone. they would test a specific scenario | 18:16 |
| gyee | what other problems beside size? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | but they wouldn't be triggered by say nova patches. | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | Do you want me to explain? | 18:17 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'd like to see them, i wasn't around for the initial part of PKI tokens but my understanding was that they just ended up impractical | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, pki vs uuid is a good approach | 18:17 |
| henrynash | gyee: Horizon doesn’t work (well not today) | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, erm good use-case for a specific tempest test | 18:17 |
| henrynash | guee: although that may be relate dto size... | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: we'd probably want keystone & middleware | 18:17 |
| gyee | henrynash, right, most browser cookies max out at 4k | 18:17 |
| bknudson | I wouldn't expect a nova change to break PKI tokens, so that works for me. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it would be worth doing for keystone, middleware, and client | 18:18 |
| bknudson | & keystoneclient | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++++ | 18:18 |
| ayoung | Horizion was working under the assumption that the Horizon server would have no memcached | 18:18 |
| dolphm | henrynash: horizon works afaik, but i'm sure something breaks beyond a certain size | 18:18 |
| gyee | dolphm, horizon doesn't store PKI token, they store the hash of it | 18:18 |
| ayoung | They want to stick the token in a cookie | 18:18 |
| ayoung | hardcoded to be md5 hash, BTW | 18:19 |
| dolphm | gyee: thereby negating the advantage of PKI? | 18:19 |
| gyee | dolphm, exactly | 18:19 |
| henrynash | dolphm: I think that’s probably true…it matches what we found…..and today IceHouse Horizon didn’t use ?nocatalog | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/django_openstack_auth/tree/openstack_auth/user.py#n71 | 18:20 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ?notcatalog hasn't been useful yet anyway; and that's not horizon's fault\ | 18:20 |
| gyee | but don't we have the same problem with SAML assertions? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Yes | 18:20 |
| nonameentername | do you know if there is a limitation for url token in v2 when using pki? | 18:20 |
| gyee | they are just as big | 18:20 |
| henrynash | dophm: ‘cause you can’t get it the catalog when you DO want it? | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | If Horizon has memcached available it becomes moot | 18:21 |
| ayoung | and the same is true with any service. | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I'm fine with defaulting to UUID tokens, and when we figure out how to make PKI tokens work in general then we can change the default to PKI. | 18:21 |
| henrynash | dolphm: (prior to you recent change) | 18:21 |
| ayoung | In all cases there is 1) how do I get the token data up front and then 2) how do I optimized network traffic | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I think we have a pretty good idea of what the problems are. | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ | 18:21 |
| ayoung | UUID tokens pushed all of the burden onto online calls to keystone | 18:22 |
| ayoung | Right now, we need to fix Horizon | 18:22 |
| stevemar | i'm kinda impressed at the amount of edits happening to the etherpad | 18:22 |
| dolphm | henrynash: right, there's no alternative to get a catalog until now (and even now, nothing is using that alternative) | 18:23 |
| bknudson | I like the idea of injecting the token into memcache | 18:23 |
| dolphm | ayoung: right now, keystone's default configuration isn't useful | 18:23 |
| ayoung | I broken it | 18:23 |
| gyee | memcache? we are talking about client-side | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dolphm, Horizon is doing what I explained to them they could do based on the requirements from 2 years ago | 18:24 |
| ayoung | fixing DJango-Openstack-Auth is simpler | 18:24 |
| ayoung | Keystone should not be broadcasting tokens | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's just one issue on a long list of issues that need to be resolved for PKI to be a viable option for most deployments | 18:25 |
| ayoung | please don't go down that path | 18:25 |
| gyee | cookie is client-side thingy, are we talking about memcache on the client-side? I am lost | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, that is the primary. Beyond that, it is all about optimizing network traffic | 18:25 |
| ayoung | the UUID vs PKI is a false dichotomy | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i don't care if you call it the "primary" or not - it's a significant issue on a list of significant issues | 18:25 |
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| gyee | are there non-significant issue on the list of significant issues? :D | 18:26 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | gyee: user experience, arguably? | 18:26 |
| dolphm | gyee: it's not breaking, but it's frustrating for a lot of people | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | Once a PKIZ token goes from one service to another, they can use a hash of the token to refer to the token. THat is an optimization. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | It reduces network traffic even further | 18:27 |
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| gyee | ayoung, I still lost, hash of PKIZ token is no good | 18:27 |
| gyee | they need the whole shebang | 18:27 |
| ayoung | gyee, its the BP that Dolph decided to -2 | 18:27 |
| dolphm | ayoung: one of many necessary optimizations that have not landed yet. we're what, 2 years into PKI and still having problems with it? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | UUID is the stable choice | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | stable choice != right choice ? | 18:28 |
| dolphm | which means it's the most reasonable default choice until PKI catches up, and can with it's architectural advantages | 18:28 |
| gyee | but I kinda agree with dolphm, we are in half-ass land right now | 18:28 |
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| dolphm | can win with* | 18:28 |
| ayoung | gyee, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109295/ | 18:29 |
| gyee | is Horizon the only issue we need to deal with? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gyee, swift complained about request size | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | gyee: i think that everything that goes to apache is a problem | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, and deployers who hate that the keystone token is 2-10k request size overhead | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | there are a couple of services heading down that route | 18:29 |
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| bknudson | the size of the token increases with the size of the cloud | 18:30 |
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| bknudson | so it's not scalable | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | i'm hearing people want AWS-style auth. it's a short key. | 18:30 |
| henrynash | ceratinly from an IBM point of view, we’d use PKI(Z) if we could get it to work reliably across the core projects….. | 18:30 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:30 |
| dolphm | bknudson: for now | 18:30 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, AWS is signature access | 18:30 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that seems like the easiest issue to address to me | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, sortof | 18:30 |
| bknudson | dolphm: y, I agree it can be fixed | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, dpeneds on the interface | 18:31 |
| henrynash | actually PKI(Z) with “catalog on demand" | 18:31 |
| bknudson | but if it's not going to be fixed in J then the default in J should be UUID | 18:31 |
| dolphm | gyee: morganfainberg: we kind of already have that with oauth1, we just don't have middleware that can validate your request (oauth1_token?) | 18:31 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | but does catalog on demand or even id only catalogs end up with the same amount of keystone traffic as simply uuid tokens? | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, quick calculation shows that with PKIZ and catalog on demand, we will still avg a 2k token size | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | stupid question: what does Cern use? | 18:32 |
| stevemar | marekd|away, ^ | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, or within 1.5-2k range for the heavier tokens (e.g federation) | 18:32 |
| henrynash | morganfainberq: which is big, but not terrible | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, the complaint is for each request you're doing 2k, extra... which adds up | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | do we know if the other projects are OK with PKI? or just haven't played around with it yet? | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: if you mean having a separate request i would guess not since you only need to get it once instead of passing it around | 18:33 |
| dolphm | stevemar: other services? | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, the projects are mostly agnostic | 18:33 |
| dolphm | stevemar: swift hates them, but i think they're the only ones with a strong opinion either way | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, middleware makes it less of an issue, swift *dislikes* pki | 18:33 |
| stevemar | dolphm, yes services, we mention swift and horizon dislike pki | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, horizon has a technical issue with pki | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, not that they dislike it | 18:34 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ horizon is fixable, afaict | 18:34 |
| henrynash | morganfainnerg: true | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | unless we run into another issue there *shrug* | 18:34 |
| stevemar | so why not address those 2? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | I'm working on it | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, how do you address swift's concern? even 2k on a 50k response is a big overhead. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is what my BP was for | 18:35 |
| dolphm | stevemar: the point is that this has been a two year history of issues, and we likely have more issues down the road that we're not aware of yet | 18:35 |
| ayoung | use PKI to deliver the token, and then use a cookie to refer to it on additioanl requiests | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, your BP doesn't really solve that concern, it masks it sometimes sortof | 18:35 |
| ayoung | it is really the same as UUID tokane, just no need to persist them | 18:35 |
| ayoung | No it solve it | 18:35 |
| ayoung | the token data needs to get to swift somehow | 18:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: if i'm only ever making one request to swift per token, you're not solving anything | 18:35 |
| ayoung | with a UUID token, swift needs to fetch it | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you are correct, and there is no net difference between PKI and UUID | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but that is internal to the cloud not *external* user-facing | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ?! | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | it is only a problem when multiple requests are made | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, whcih is the complaint. | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | afaict | 18:36 |
| ayoung | only | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, ping | 18:37 |
| gyee | ayoung, how does it work on the client side though? you still require memcache running on the client which is not realistic | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | notmyname, you around? have a question regarding swift if you are. | 18:37 |
| gyee | browser javascripts making direct Keystone calls | 18:37 |
| ayoung | gyee, justy like every other web app out there. After the PKIZ token coes across the wire, the service returns a cookie. Instead of sending the PKIZ token across the wire again, resend only to cookie | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | difference here is that the cookie is assigned by the remote service, not by Keystone | 18:38 |
| ayoung | gyee, its really the same thing that Horizon is doing with Form Auth. | 18:38 |
| gyee | but you still need the real token to make Keystone calls | 18:38 |
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| * morganfainberg looks for other swift types | 18:39 | |
| ayoung | gyee, say this is horizon to Nova. After the first call, Nova has the PKIZ token in its memcache | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | i think this is a question we should *ask* them directly | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, who else is swift besides notmyname ? | 18:39 |
| dolphm | creiht: ^ | 18:39 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I did. THey asked me, and we had this conversation at the last summit | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, and i want to have it clear what they're complaints are where we all see it | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't mind the idea but if we did that i would want to do it properly, have a POST route where you exchanged the PKI token for a UUID (like SAML) rather than some hybrid cookie solution | 18:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, why reinvent HTTP? | 18:40 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: they must not use this meeting channel, none of them are here lol | 18:40 |
| ayoung | THe rest of the world uses secure cookies for this. We should be using them, too | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: if we are having the problem with header size, why not fix both problems | 18:41 |
| gyee | ayoung, in that case, dolphm is correct, cookies are essentially UUID tokens | 18:41 |
| gyee | since you are storing them into memcache anyway | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | gyee, with one significant difference: UUID as implemented needs to be in a Keystone database. Always | 18:41 |
| ayoung | THe way we were heade with OPKI tokens was that even hte keystone server should be able to disappear for short times and still all of the tokens would work | 18:42 |
| dolphm | you could also combine shared secrets with UUID, to get some of the advantages of PKI with almost none of the complexity. do some light crypto validation on the token to verify encryption with a shared secret, before bothering to call back to keystone | 18:42 |
| ayoung | gyee, memcached local to Horizon is different from making a REST call to Keystone | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you would have the same size isssues | 18:43 |
| bknudson | we should make keystone faster than memcached | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: rewrite in C? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not talking about adding signature overhead | 18:43 |
| gyee | heh | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I was inthe middle of a conversation with one of our X509 guys right before this. The smallest we could get for overhead woult be about 700 bytes | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i hear earlang is fast. | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's waaaay bigger than what i'm thinking | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm talking < 64 chars | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | what do you mean by "light crypto validation on the token" then? | 18:44 |
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| jamielennox | either way this puts a requirement on middleware to have access to a persistent (not memcached) token storage though? | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: symmetric | 18:44 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: memcached is still fine | 18:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that was a requirement before, thought | 18:45 |
| ayoung | though | 18:45 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: unless you're talking about morgan's thing? | 18:45 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: which is just some shared kvs | 18:45 |
| ayoung | just not explicit, but it turns out that people didn't want to go to Keystone for every uuid lookup, just the first | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | ayoung's thing, if the services start emitting tokens then they need a persistent store of them | 18:45 |
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| jamielennox | which i thought you were talking about when you were talkling symetric but maybe you were refering to general UUID tokens | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | swift type folks must be busy / elsewhere it's really quiet in their channel | 18:46 |
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| bknudson | keystone would be a lot faster validating tokens if it didn't generate the catalog | 18:48 |
| gyee | its it fair to say that if we solved the catalog problem for the services, we are fine with PKI tokens? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ the catalog is *really* bad performance wise | 18:48 |
| stevemar | gyee, not entirely, i think folks don't like the setup part | 18:48 |
| bknudson | i.e., if it was just an indexed lookup in the token table and return 200 or 404 | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | honestly, i think as long as we support uuid tokens, people will tend to use it instead | 18:48 |
| henrynash | question: I know very system dependant….but how long do people kind of see a token call toaking that has to generate a catalog? | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | gyee: you still have setup complexity and user experience burden, both of which we will never overcome | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am working to get us there, a lot of the non-persistent token stuff will help make it easier. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so we could do something like an IMS check on a token or some such. | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | Catalog is there only because the old validate call required the service catalog. I'm pretty sure nothing uses it | 18:50 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: IMS? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, if-modified-since, or something equally light | 18:50 |
| gyee | well, barbican will help us out right? | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, "is token X valid since TIME" | 18:50 |
| dolphm | (10 minutes) | 18:50 |
| hrybacki | ayoung: would that make it subject to removal then? | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | hrybacki, I think it means we can just yank the Catalog\ | 18:51 |
| gyee | but, but , key provisioning/management can be automated | 18:51 |
| dolphm | #action dolphm to file a wishlist bug on the change in default provider | 18:51 |
| dolphm | ^ and submit a patch | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't think that's right, nova -> glance for a user token must know the URL for glance from the validated user token | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, i don't think that will *really* convince people to use PKI. but just a hunch | 18:51 |
| dolphm | lol ++ | 18:51 |
| dolphm | this complex thing can be made easier with another complex thing! yay | 18:52 |
| henrynash | with 10 mins to go: I’ll suggest a couple o f things for people to look at once we’re done here | 18:52 |
| henrynash | quick relief approval: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109290/ | 18:52 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: go for it, i don't think there's much left to add to the above ^ | 18:52 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:52 |
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| henrynash | a new guy form IBM with his first patch | 18:52 |
| henrynash | also | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ah cool | 18:53 |
| henrynash | feelf ree to comment on my/adam’s spec on endpoint policy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99842/ | 18:53 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ooh, if that's approved, what's the likelihood that we'll see an implementation land in juno? | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | FYI: Bugs opened against Keystone this week: http://paste.openstack.org/show/88936/ | 18:54 |
| dolphm | henrynash: it's in the juno/ directory, but still worth an ask | 18:54 |
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| stevemar | i think gordc's patch for moving audit over is worth checking out too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102958/6 | 18:54 |
| henrynash | keystone implemtation for sure….how much we get into other projects is less clear | 18:54 |
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| gyee | "landed" including middleware changes? | 18:54 |
| henrynash | our middleware, yes | 18:54 |
| henrynash | I’m commited to both of those | 18:54 |
| gyee | and horizon? :) | 18:55 |
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| gyee | afaik, horizon is busy parsing policy files | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, you already +2'ed this before, want to do it again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108839/ | 18:55 |
| henrynash | gyee: as I said, we’ll see how much we can get into the otehrs | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | i'd love people to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106659/ | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | i'm trying to rip out httpretty - too many problems | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: done | 18:56 |
| gyee | jamielennox, who maintains request-mock? | 18:57 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: holy wow | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | but to do it is going to be a fairly big changeover patch and it's going to get in the way of everyone | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: me, and in the process of putting it on stackforge | 18:57 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: is that ready to merge right now? | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | no more httpretty screw ups | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | hrybacki, ^^ | 18:57 |
| bknudson | maybe we could get request-mock into openstack? | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106659/5/test-requirements.txt ? | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it sounds like openstack-dev if anything. | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i've got it passed requirements | 18:58 |
| dolphm | bknudson: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L113 | 18:58 |
| dolphm | (2 min) | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i'll have to check i assume something has landed since it last passed | 18:58 |
| bknudson | as long as it's apl | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: but that's kind of my point, i need to get it uploaded then merged really quickly | 18:58 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i'd be happy to review that, but not more than once :P | 18:59 |
| hrybacki | ayoung: heh | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, would it be possible to convert some tests to request-mock before others? | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, as in... split it up so rebase hell doesn't kill you on the massive changeset? | 18:59 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106659/5/keystoneclient/tests/auth/test_identity_common.py switches from using a constant variable to a magic string... seems like a step backwards | 18:59 |
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| bknudson | e.g., httpretty.GET to 'GET' | 19:00 |
| dolphm | time! | 19:00 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 19:00:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-29-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-29-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-07-29-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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| henrynash | *pumpkin* | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | hey-o! | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | I am sort of here. currently at nova/ironic/containers meetup | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 19:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | agenda ^ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-07-15-19.05.html | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | last meeting ^ | 19:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-07-08-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | last non-beer meeting ^ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | every meeting should be a beer meeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | fungi: ++ | 19:02 |
| * Ajaeger1 hands out beer for everybody ;) | 19:02 | |
| jeblair | #topic Centos7 jobs | 19:03 |
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| ianw | hi | 19:03 |
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| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:03 |
| ianw | i've gone about as far as i can with the centos7 jobs out-of-tree | 19:03 |
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| ianw | there's three reviews, linked in the agenda | 19:03 |
| ianw | 1) add puppet support | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103458/ | 19:03 |
| ianw | 2) add rax image to nodepool | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109906/ | 19:04 |
| ianw | 3) add an experimental devstack job | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110178/ | 19:04 |
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| ianw | (thanks jeblair) | 19:04 |
| ianw | any objections to this approach? | 19:04 |
| ianw | i have the centos7 disk-image-builder changes merged too | 19:04 |
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| ianw | but i would rather just get things going in rackspace and sort out those initial bugs i'm sure are there | 19:05 |
| jeblair | ianw: nope; we'll probably consider it experimental until we either have a base image in hpcloud or dib/glance working there | 19:05 |
| ianw | jeblair: yes, that's fine | 19:05 |
| jeblair | ianw: but i see no reason not to keep moving ahead in rax | 19:05 |
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| fungi | seems a sane outline to me, having not reviewed the changes myself yet | 19:05 |
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| ianw | similar to the f20 job, we won't promote until we get redundancy | 19:05 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:05 |
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| ianw | once it is working, i can start more serious conversations about where we want to use centos v fedora, etc | 19:06 |
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| ianw | so yeah, at this point, just need those reviews to make it through. that's all for that topic | 19:07 |
| fungi | pretty sure we can't drop centos, nor can we use fedora for long-term stable support branches | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | ianw: i'm assuming you've been exposed to our rationale for using centos (tc distro support policy says "try not to break rhel", plus, it has a support lifetime that exceeds openstack's for stable branches) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | we can't drop centos6 for juno and icehouse | 19:08 |
| jeblair | ianw: if not, we can expand on those points now if it would help | 19:08 |
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| fungi | correct | 19:08 |
| clarkb | centos6 won't be part of kilo testing aiui | 19:08 |
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| ianw | yeah, that's all cool, i spend time keeping devstack working on rhel6 :) | 19:09 |
| fungi | getting centos7 working before juno release would prepare us well for dropping centos6 in kilo | 19:09 |
| ianw | but yeah, with kilo we can finally move to python 2.7 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:09 |
| ianw | that will be a nice patch to devstack with a lot of "-" lines | 19:09 |
| ianw | fungi: yep, exactly the idea :) | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | cool, so hopefully the core team can get around to reviewing things again (i see some activity happenening; sadly, i have not yet been able to really join in) | 19:10 |
| clarkb | I am trying when not distracted by meetup | 19:10 |
| mordred | yah. sorry - been WAY behind on reviews | 19:10 |
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| fungi | i think we all have | 19:11 |
| jeblair | we've been like flying around and talking about important things :) | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topic nodepool history tracking (ianw) | 19:11 |
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| fungi | right now i'm just trying to find all of the balls i've dropped | 19:11 |
| ianw | so the history allocation changes were reverted in nodepool | 19:12 |
| ianw | again some linked reviews, the main one being | 19:12 |
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| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/109185 | 19:12 |
| fungi | ianw: you had new reviews up to revise the algorithm there, right? | 19:12 |
| fungi | ahh, yep[ | 19:12 |
| ianw | the only way i could make it go crazy was to have a negative available count passed into the allocator | 19:13 |
| ianw | it starts subtracting negatives, and ends up returning more than requested | 19:13 |
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| ianw | which seems to match with what was seen | 19:13 |
| ianw | however, this wasn't specific to the history allocation changes | 19:13 |
| fungi | that does sound basically like what we witnessed in production | 19:13 |
| jeblair | ianw: was the negative available count logged? if so, we can check the logs and see if that happened | 19:13 |
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| ianw | jeblair: no, i don't think that would show up in logs. that change puts in an error message for that situation | 19:14 |
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| ianw | along with avoiding the negative | 19:14 |
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| fungi | and we definitely were able to recreate the issue twice in production on consecutive restarts, then reverted the allocation history feature and it subsided on the next restart | 19:15 |
| ianw | so yeah, i'm open to ideas, but that was all i came up with | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | ianw: hrm, i think it's worth digging deeper to find either an error in the new code, or a change related to it that could have caused the issue -- the correlation is pretty strong | 19:15 |
| jeblair | ianw: also, did you note the fact that it showed up on the second pass through the allocator (not the first)? | 19:16 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109890/1/nodepool/allocation.py <- makeGrants() is the suspect here | 19:16 |
| fungi | i've also restarted nodepool at least once more since, again under heavy volume, and didn't see the problem come back | 19:16 |
| ianw | w.grant(min(int(w.amount), self.available)) | 19:17 |
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| ianw | that really should clamp things to never grant more than available | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | i'm worried that we may have changed something fundamental with the allocator patch, and this would just mask that | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i'll try to think deeply about it when i review it | 19:19 |
| asselin | o/ | 19:19 |
| fungi | would it make sense to add some logging around there, unrevert the allocation history change, then try to get it to break in production again? | 19:19 |
| ianw | fungi: i can take that approach, currently the allocator doesn't really do any debug logging | 19:20 |
| fungi | assuming we can't come up with a legitimate way to recreate the conditions under which we saw it happen | 19:20 |
| fungi | it would probably be a somewhat more manageable condition when we're not sitting in the hallway at oscon | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | i don't think we need logging in the allocator, but if we're missing logging of inputs to it, we should fix that | 19:21 |
| fungi | i'm not generally a fan of "testing in production" but sometimes there aren't expedient alternatives | 19:21 |
| ianw | jeblair: in that case, I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109185/ is probably ok as is | 19:22 |
| ianw | it will error log if this negative condition comes about | 19:22 |
| ianw | we could run with that and see if it comes up | 19:22 |
| jeblair | ianw: it also masks the problem. i may not be being clear. | 19:23 |
| ianw | maybe we're actually over-allocating but don't notice at the moment? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | we _should_ be able to reproduce the problem entirely from the production logs that we have | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | if we are unable to do so, we should correct the logging so that it logs the necessary information | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | and if that's the case (we are missing log info (remember, i think this is unlikely)), then i'd be okay with a testing-in-production approach to collect the missing data | 19:24 |
| ianw | alright, let me go through nodepool.py and i'll send a change later to bump up the logging so we can see if this is true or not | 19:24 |
| jeblair | but otherwise, i think we should dig deeper into reproducing it out of production | 19:24 |
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| ianw | where are the production nodepool logs, can i see them externally? | 19:25 |
| fungi | ianw: if you need additional info out of our production logs i can get them for you | 19:25 |
| ianw | ok, thanks for the discussion. we can move on and i'll look at at the log angle | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | cool, thanks | 19:26 |
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| fungi | right now only the image update logs are published externally, though we've talked about making service/debug logs available too | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | #topic Puppet 3 Master (nibalizer) | 19:26 |
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| ianw | fungi: thanks, that's what i thought. if i can help with publishing the logs somehow, let me know | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: last i recall, there was some serious weirdness about what version of puppet was actually getting installed | 19:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: I had a radical thought re: puppet 3 and puppetmasters... | 19:27 |
| mordred | but I can also hold off if you don't want radical thoughts in this meeting | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | mordred: the floor appears to be yours :) | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: neat! | 19:28 |
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| mordred | jeblair: what if we stop using puppetmaster altogether | 19:28 |
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| mordred | the only benefit we really get from it is secret data | 19:29 |
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| mordred | but we're driving puppet runs from ansible now | 19:29 |
| mordred | so we could have ansible run puppet apply passing in secret data | 19:29 |
| mordred | no more care about puppet2 v. puppet3 masters | 19:29 |
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| mordred | only puppet apply | 19:29 |
| mordred | which is easier to test too | 19:29 |
| jeblair | how does it supply the secret data? | 19:29 |
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| fungi | the secret data filtering to only hand out the bits a given slave actually needs is a fairly significant feature | 19:30 |
| mordred | drop in a runme.pp with just the host's chunk of site.pp in it with values populated, then run puppet apply on that | 19:30 |
| jeblair | and do the reports go through the puppetmaster, or do they go directly to puppetdb? | 19:30 |
| mordred | puppetdb is a thing I'd need to come up with an answer for | 19:31 |
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| mordred | quesstion is - should I bother POC-ing an answer? | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | mordred: that sounds like a fair response to the compartmentalized secret data issue, though there are also secret data that are shared across many/all hosts | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so we'd probably want something more sophisticated than "edit 72 files to add someone to sysadmins" | 19:32 |
| mordred | yes | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | hai | 19:32 |
| mordred | I believe I'm never going to want to do that | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | sorry was cleaning kitchen | 19:32 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: yes there is whitespace in your preferences file | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i'm intrigued | 19:32 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: it's not mine :) | 19:32 |
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| jesusaurus | mordred: also what does this do to the "public hiera" plans for not-secret data? | 19:33 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: haha, ThePreferencesFile | 19:33 |
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| mordred | jesusaurus: that shold work identically | 19:33 |
| mordred | since the hard problem there was solving for making sure puppet apply worked | 19:33 |
| fungi | yeah, we can still stick hiera files on machines and have them refer to the contents | 19:33 |
| mordred | in this case, we'd move back to _only_ puppet apply needing to work | 19:33 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: is that fixed in config yet? and have you spun up a node based on that to verify it works? | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | i spun up a trusty node and did the needful to it | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | verifed the error you had | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: ok. I'll sketch up something more than 3 second of babbling in a meeting to see if it can work sanely | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | then fixed it by fixing the white space | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | mordred: puppetdb and puppet apply work pretty well together | 19:34 |
| mordred | nibalizer: sweet | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | puppet apply nodes can report directly to the puppetdb server on what they've been doing | 19:34 |
| mordred | that's even easier then | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: okay, so we're probably ready to take another stab at this. i'm swamped now, but maybe later in the week. | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | also you asked about hitting puppetdb api from the puppet master | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | which is super easy | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | since you can use the certs that the puppet master already has for cert auth | 19:35 |
| mordred | ah - interesting | 19:35 |
| mordred | nibalizer: I will talk to you after meeting about that | 19:35 |
| jeblair | do we currently allow anything to connect to puppetdb? | 19:35 |
| mordred | I'd like for our inventory plugin to talk to puppetdb instead of running puppet cert list | 19:35 |
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| nibalizer | i think puppetdb port 8081 (https) is open to just about everyone | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | of course, if you dont have a cert, well ... "no ticket" | 19:36 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: so puppetdb does cert verification against the puppet ca of nodes wanting to submit reports | 19:36 |
| jeblair | ? | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | yup | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so your idea would probably not eliminate the need for a puppet ca | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | plus ^^ if we're talking dangerous ideas we could actually shell out to hiera to collect the data to send to ansible to send to the nodes | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | running the puppetCA isn't a huge overhead, though | 19:37 |
| fungi | so we'd still need a puppet ca, but the server where it resides would no longer need to talk to other servers except to hand out signed certs when we launch new machines | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | point is, its less overhead that running our own CA? | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: the clients will verify that puppetdb's cert has been signed by the CA as well | 19:38 |
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| fungi | we could possibly even just move the puppet ca to the puppetdb server | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i think it basically reduces the potential vulnerability of having the puppetmaster protocol network accessible | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | fungi: what goal are you trying to solve by moving the puppetca? | 19:39 |
| jeblair | fungi: probably best to keep it separate, and on the higher-security (less-services-running) but inaccurately named "puppetmaster" | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | at the end of the day the puppetca is just a folder | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | we could move it to jeblairs laptop | 19:39 |
| fungi | nibalizer: only if we wanted to ditch the extra server | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | oh, i don't think thats possible in how im interpreting mordreds plan | 19:39 |
| mordred | we still need the server there to run the out-bound ansible connections ... | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | plus a place to keep hiera data | 19:39 |
| mordred | yuip | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | and somewhere to figlet SCIENCE | wall | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | critical services | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: great, now we need to change the master password | 19:40 |
| fungi | jeblair: well, if the puppet ca is only any longer used to identify slaves to the puppetdb service and vice versa, and doesn't actually get trusted to do things via the agent itself, then i'm not sure what we're protecting at that point besides a reporting channel; | 19:40 |
| mordred | not solving for less servers - just _possibly_ giving us a slightly more flexible way to deal with things like puppet 2 -> puppet 3 -> puppet 4 | 19:40 |
| mordred | btw - puppet 4 is coming ... | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | fungi: true, not much, but we need the other server anyway, so may as well keep it there | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | dun dun dun | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | mordred: it also eliminates a potential vulnerability | 19:41 |
| fungi | jeblair: yep, if we keep the server, might as well leave the ca on it | 19:41 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | mordred: (the connect to puppetmaster and trick it into giving you secrets vulnerability) | 19:41 |
| mordred | jeblair: bah. it would never do that! :) | 19:42 |
| jeblair | which is, incidentally, why we changed all of our creds due to heartbleed | 19:42 |
| fungi | also known as "release an openssl vulnerability poc and use up weeks of infra rood admin time" | 19:42 |
| fungi | s/rood/root/ | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | okay, end of topic? | 19:43 |
| jeblair | also, is pleia2 still away? | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | #topic Replacement for docs.openstack.org (AJaeger) | 19:44 |
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| jeblair | Ajaeger1: around? | 19:44 |
| Ajaeger1 | yes, je | 19:44 |
| Ajaeger1 | yes, jeblair | 19:44 |
| jeblair | so we brainstormed at the qa/infra sprint | 19:44 |
| Ajaeger1 | thanks for talking about this in Darmstadt! | 19:44 |
| jeblair | and we came up with 2 ideas | 19:45 |
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| mordred | I prefer one of them | 19:45 |
| jeblair | 1) docs jobs publish artifacts to swift (like we are starting to do with logs), then we write a simple zuul worker that fetches them and rsyncs them into location on a static webserver | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: whe you get free time just ping me and we'll beat on p3 some more | 19:45 |
| * annegentle waves too | 19:46 | |
| jeblair | that's a super simple system that gets us the ability to automatically delete files, but otherwise isn't too different from what we have now | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | it also should be fairly easy to implement once we work out the kinks in the log publishing | 19:47 |
| jeblair | (which we made substantial progress on in darmstadt) | 19:47 |
| Ajaeger1 | So, for the rsync we need to do this on a directory by directory basis - with the projects publishing at separate times, e.g. infra-manuals to http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/ - this needs to be fine-granular enough. | 19:48 |
| jeblair | Ajaeger1: yes, we'll be able to do that | 19:48 |
| jeblair | so basically, the infra manuals rsync job will take what the build job built and rsync it to the correct subdir | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | similarly, stable branch docs jobs will rsync to the stable branch subdir | 19:49 |
| jeblair | so we get the same kind of multi-version publishing we have now | 19:49 |
| mordred | jeblair: (we'll need to not delete branch subdirs when we rsync --delete) | 19:49 |
| mordred | but yeah | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | mordred: yeah, i think the root of the rsync will be at the branch subdir | 19:50 |
| mordred | but for the master rsync | 19:50 |
| Ajaeger1 | We currently publish to e.g. /trunk/install-guide and /arch-design at the same time | 19:50 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, we'll need to special case that | 19:50 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:50 |
| mordred | yup. not hard - just mentioning it | 19:50 |
| * Ajaeger1 doesn't remember enough about rsync options to see whether this handles all special cases but let's discuss that separately | 19:51 | |
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| Ajaeger1 | jeblair: what's option 2? | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | option 2) is to use afs. building and publishing actually get even simpler (it's just an rsync directly on the build host), but it requires an afs infrastructure which we don't have yet | 19:52 |
| jeblair | we want that for several other reasons (including mirrors), so hopefully we'll have it at some point | 19:53 |
| mordred | one benefit of option 2 is that there are several _other_ things we'd also like to use that infrastructure for | 19:53 |
| mordred | jinx | 19:53 |
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| portante | morganfainberg: here | 19:54 |
| jeblair | i'm not entirely sure we should hang docs publishing on that just yet though; i think we're probably closer to idea 1) in implementation, and there's actually a pretty good path from idea 1 to idea 2 | 19:54 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | portante, ah can i snag you in #openstack-keystone real quick? | 19:54 |
| annegentle | what's afs? | 19:54 |
| fungi | andrew filesystem | 19:54 |
| * morganfainberg doesn't want to bug -infra types too much | 19:54 | |
| Ajaeger1 | annegentle: similar to NFS | 19:54 |
| annegentle | ah ok | 19:54 |
| fungi | #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_File_System | 19:54 |
| mordred | annegentle: it's a global distributed filesystem and it's teh awesome | 19:54 |
| annegentle | named after andrew, heh | 19:55 |
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| fungi | named after two andrews | 19:55 |
| jeblair | both of them :) | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | anyway, i think the way to proceed is to let the log publishing settle out a bit, then work on the rsync worker and set up some test jobs on a server | 19:56 |
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| Ajaeger1 | So, what would be the next steps? I suggest that I write up a few examples (should have done that before Darmstadt) so that you see how we publish today to check that rsync can be setup correctly for this. | 19:56 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure if we want to use static.o.o or make a new one (since static.o.o is getting fairly full) | 19:56 |
| annegentle | and the rsync solution, how do you solve the problem of "there are no files to serve even if for a second" | 19:56 |
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| Ajaeger1 | annegentle: rsync can first sync new content and then remove old files. | 19:57 |
| Ajaeger1 | annegentle: it will not delete a whole directory at once and then recreate and publish again... | 19:57 |
| annegentle | Ajaeger1: ah, great, so ordered steps. | 19:57 |
| fungi | right, rsync is actually much safer than the current "overwrite files via ftp" model | 19:57 |
| mordred | annegentle: also, once we're on AFS, there is a really neat atomic volume publication feature that will avoid link moving race condition issues | 19:57 |
| Ajaeger1 | annegentle: we can even run it twice: First sync over new content, second delete. | 19:57 |
| annegentle | And then, do we have any storage cost considerations? And what happens if it gets full? | 19:58 |
| mordred | Ajaeger1: ++ | 19:58 |
| mordred | annegentle: so far none of our clouds have said anything about cost ever | 19:58 |
| Ajaeger1 | annegentle: Since we delete files directly, we should have less space issues ;) | 19:58 |
| fungi | at the moment we've got a 15tb cinder volume quota from rax, which we'll be emptying out soonish as we transition log storage to swift | 19:58 |
| fungi | er, 25tb | 19:58 |
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| annegentle | mordred: well that's a relief :) just don't want to be an outlier, since images and html may be bigger than log files? (not by much really though) | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | i bet they'll be much smaller, actually :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | annegentle: trust me, they won't be ;) | 19:59 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: fungi: ok good! | 19:59 |
| fungi | we have jobs uploading logfiles which are in the `00mb compressed range | 19:59 |
| fungi | er, 100mb | 19:59 |
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| mordred | fungi: I think you were right the first time | 19:59 |
| jeblair | sometimes in the 00mb range too | 19:59 |
| annegentle | I think it sounds better than what we have! Which is the goal for starters. Thanks a bunch for all this, team infra. | 20:00 |
| jesusaurus | 0mb, now theres some compression! | 20:00 |
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| Ajaeger1 | jeblair: what time frame are we talking about and what would be the next steps besides my examples ? | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | oh look we are out of time | 20:00 |
| annegentle | jeblair: and can it be well before release crunch time :) | 20:00 |
| Ajaeger1 | shall we continue discussing on #openstack-infra? | 20:00 |
| jeblair | i hope; let's regroup on the current log publishing status with jhesketh when he's around, then we can probably make an estimate | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| Ajaeger1 | thanks! | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 20:01:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-07-29-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-07-29-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-07-29-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | So who is around for the TC meeting? | 20:01 |
| mikal_ | Hi | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| mikal_ | Although a bit distracted | 20:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dguerri | err | 20:01 |
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| annegentle | all right handed people in the house | 20:01 |
| * mestery lurks | 20:01 | |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| * eglynn lurks also | 20:01 | |
| annegentle | er. left? | 20:01 |
| sdague | mikal: we're outside if you want to join us | 20:01 |
| ttx | markmc, devananda, vishy: around ? | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: I'm left handed, but facing you | 20:01 |
| dguerri | is the openstack-infra meeting ended? | 20:01 |
| russellb | markmc sent regrets to the list | 20:02 |
| ttx | We have quorum | 20:02 |
| mikal | sdague: where outside? In the courtyard? | 20:02 |
| mordred | dguerri: yes | 20:02 |
| sdague | mikal: yes | 20:02 |
| annegentle | I'll just say I'm in the back row :) | 20:02 |
| ttx | russellb: but I thought he would miss us so much! | 20:02 |
| russellb | :) | 20:02 |
| annegentle | dguerri: yes | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| russellb | i'm sure he does. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 20:02:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| jaypipes | mikal: look out the window | 20:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| dguerri | I added a topic in th agenda 2 days ago :) | 20:02 |
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| ttx | (Long) agenda for today is: | 20:02 |
| dguerri | was waiting to discuss fit-upstream stuff | 20:02 |
| jeblair | dguerri: a new meeting has started, please go to #openstack-infra | 20:03 |
| dguerri | *git-upstream | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| dguerri | ok | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Check progress on gap coverage plans (post-j2 edition) | 20:03 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | As promised after each milestone we review progress on gap coverage plans | 20:03 |
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| ttx | promised eglynn we would do him first | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Ceilometer_Gap_Coverage | 20:03 |
| eglynn | ttx: thanks :) | 20:03 |
| eglynn | well, we've had some some slippage from our target for completion of juno-2 | 20:03 |
| ttx | eglynn: but everything is under review? | 20:04 |
| eglynn | detailed in the strike-thru' on that wiki page | 20:04 |
| ttx | oh, not #5 | 20:04 |
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| russellb | how do you feel about completing these by j3? | 20:04 |
| ttx | eglynn: could you elaborate on the javelin thing? | 20:04 |
| russellb | looks like good progress | 20:04 |
| eglynn | russellb: confident | 20:04 |
| ttx | QA declining? Something we could help to solve? | 20:04 |
| eglynn | ttx: grenade/javelin not yet being as solid as we thought | 20:04 |
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| eglynn | (so it's kinda closed to new features right now) | 20:05 |
| ttx | eglynn: still thinking it can make j3, or is it going to be more of a kilo thing ? | 20:05 |
| jogo | eglynn: javelin2 is working now, just needs a few patches to land | 20:05 |
| sdague | yeh, it's taken up sometime to get the new javelin code working, so that's an upstream delay. | 20:05 |
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| eglynn | ttx: definitely juno-3 | 20:05 |
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| ttx | ok, this is taking more time than expected, but still looks doable in juno timeframe | 20:06 |
| eglynn | jogo: cool, so we'd be looking at the cdent's patch being landable within weeks? | 20:06 |
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| eglynn | ttx: agreed | 20:06 |
| ttx | comments on Ceilometer? | 20:06 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Neutron_Gap_Coverage | 20:06 |
| ttx | mestery: o/ | 20:06 |
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| mestery | ttx: o/ | 20:06 |
| jogo | eglynn: without looking to closely I *think* so | 20:07 |
| russellb | can we hit status on each gap on this one? | 20:07 |
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| mestery | russellb: Ack | 20:07 |
| eglynn | jogo: great, thanks | 20:07 |
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| mestery | Gap0 is closed. | 20:07 |
| mestery | We finished the DB migration work during Juno-2. | 20:07 |
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| mestery | Gap1 will close at Juno-3, but we are at 100% API coverage, and the full job is now enabled as well (see mail threads) | 20:07 |
| russellb | running all tests now? | 20:08 |
| russellb | and how about stability? | 20:08 |
| mestery | russellb: I believe that's the case yes, failure rate last I heard was < 5% | 20:08 |
| mestery | russellb: I can dig out salv-orlando's email in a bit | 20:08 |
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| mestery | Gap2 is underway now, on target to close at Juno-3 | 20:08 |
| mestery | Gap3 has a patch proposed, I think we can look to merge that one soon | 20:09 |
| mestery | Gap4 is complete | 20:09 |
| mestery | Gap5 is making good progress, and will be complete at Juno-3 | 20:09 |
| russellb | so last i looked, the code looked pretty far off | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | what was the decision on the OVS question? | 20:09 |
| russellb | feel confident it will be completed? | 20:09 |
| mordred | mestery: gap 5 mentions ovs | 20:09 |
| russellb | and yes, that question | 20:09 |
| mestery | russellb: DVR? | 20:09 |
| russellb | yes DVR | 20:09 |
| mestery | Yes, it's for OVS. | 20:09 |
| mestery | The DVR code is in much better shape now. | 20:10 |
| mestery | We've had lots of core reviews on it, testing, etc. | 20:10 |
| mordred | what's the nova/neutron position on the ovs requirement? | 20:10 |
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| russellb | haven't seen a thread on that, but we should have one. | 20:10 |
| mestery | ++ | 20:10 |
| mestery | russellb: Want me to start it? | 20:10 |
| russellb | yes please | 20:10 |
| mestery | Will do | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | well the OVS requirement may not be a must | 20:10 |
| mordred | what a sentence | 20:11 |
| mestery | mordred: Heh :) | 20:11 |
| mordred | it would still be good to know the relative opinion on requiring that | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | haha… so linuxbridge will likely work just not a test path | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | s/test/tested/ | 20:11 |
| * mordred has no personal issues with OVS as a thing - but /me is not a nova core | 20:12 | |
| mestery | Lets discuss in detail in the ML thread on that. | 20:12 |
| annegentle | what does "not a test path" oh... you mean you can't test linuxbridge? Er. | 20:12 |
| russellb | so, aside from lack of testing, no obvious technical reason it wouldn't work with linuxbridge? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | yeah I'd like to understand it too | 20:12 |
| russellb | ok, yes, to the ML on that | 20:12 |
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| jaypipes | annegentle: just asked markmcclain the same thing :) | 20:12 |
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| mestery | So, Gap6 is the one which is behind a bit. | 20:12 |
| russellb | it's all part of the "can we deprecate nova-network" issue ... | 20:12 |
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| jaypipes | annegentle: he said it does not currently have a test plan in DVR patches | 20:12 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: ah ok | 20:13 |
| mestery | markmcclain and marun are discussing with nova cores this week is my understanding | 20:13 |
| mordred | cool | 20:13 |
| russellb | yes, my impression of the migration plan thus far is not very good | 20:13 |
| annegentle | and DVR is just the team name or a TLA? | 20:13 |
| sdague | the dvr bits are super new as well | 20:13 |
| russellb | but yes, i'm interested what progress is made this week | 20:13 |
| mordred | annegentle: "distributed virtual router" | 20:13 |
| mikal | russellb: upgrade path is on the agenda for later today | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | the migration plan has been kicked around in various directions | 20:13 |
| russellb | sdague: yes ... hard to call nova-network officially deprecated on merge day | 20:13 |
| mestery | russellb: We know we missed the nova spec deadline, and we're working to alleviate that. | 20:13 |
| russellb | mikal: cool | 20:13 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 20:13 |
| mestery | mikal: Thanks! | 20:13 |
| annegentle | what not digital video recorder?! | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: it's the multi-host functionality in neutron -- distributed virtual router. someone correct me if I'm wrong. | 20:13 |
| mestery | annegentle: Ha! | 20:13 |
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| markmcclain | the various ways we've been pointed haven't ended up in a good place | 20:13 |
| russellb | i personally feel it's too late for juno to rush something like that | 20:13 |
| mestery | jaypipes: You're right :) | 20:13 |
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| mestery | russellb: The migration path? | 20:14 |
| russellb | don't even have a plan, much less an implementation with some proven testing showing stability behind it | 20:14 |
| russellb | yes | 20:14 |
| annegentle | okay and DVR is the "only" way to get multihost? or the one we've been going after for a while? | 20:14 |
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| markmcclain | russellb: I don't know that we're actually rushing items | 20:14 |
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| markmcclain | we have the opportunity to get a working path and then refine within the deprecation window | 20:15 |
| mestery | annegentle: That's the plan of record, yes. | 20:15 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 20:15 |
| russellb | markmcclain: well, i guess depending on what the plan looks like, looking for approval of plan and then implementation all for juno seems rushed this late, but i'd love to be proven wrong | 20:15 |
| vishy | o/ i just got off a plane and my connection is spotty | 20:15 |
| mestery | We've explored a few options around migration, and had some successes and some issues. | 20:15 |
| annegentle | welcome vishy-from-a-plane | 20:15 |
| mestery | For closure here, Gap7 is ongoing and will close at the end of Juno | 20:16 |
| mestery | So, Gap6 is the main concern here (migration). | 20:16 |
| annegentle | mestery: ok thanks | 20:16 |
| russellb | so gap 7 says document, but IMO, gap 7 is bigger than that | 20:16 |
| mestery | annegentle: you're welcome :) | 20:16 |
| russellb | it also mentions scale testing, which is the bigger problem | 20:16 |
| russellb | having an open source problem that scales well (and we can show that it does) | 20:16 |
| russellb | s/problem/option/ | 20:16 |
| russellb | ha | 20:16 |
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| annegentle | problem/opportunity | 20:17 |
| * jaypipes feels Gap7 should be more descriptive/explicit... | 20:17 | |
| russellb | :) | 20:17 |
| russellb | jaypipes: agree with that | 20:17 |
| mestery | russellb: Agreed, the main issue has been finding resources for such scale testing | 20:17 |
| mestery | russellb: We've been reaching out to companies around this, it's a WIP to be honest. | 20:17 |
| annegentle | on the docs, I'd like more description so we can get more to help out | 20:17 |
| russellb | mestery: so any progress beyond just the docs part? | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | for instance, what is "document open source scalability testing" really mean? | 20:17 |
| russellb | OK | 20:17 |
| sdague | mestery: is dvr going to be running on the default neutron jobs? | 20:17 |
| mestery | russellb: Nothing huge to report, it's taking time to find companies with resources. | 20:17 |
| russellb | so, my view of this gap was less about docs about more about having an open source option that we feel scales well | 20:18 |
| mestery | sdague: The sooner we can get that in, we can make that happen. | 20:18 |
| annegentle | I know of a few efforts - at the ops meetup in August, 3-4 of us getting together, and before that, a "swarm" in Australia for a networking guide, any of those matching up? | 20:18 |
| ttx | russellb: maybe we need to have a specific topic on neutron/nova-network at the cross-project meeting? | 20:18 |
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| mestery | russellb: I think there was slight disconnect there :) | 20:18 |
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| russellb | ttx: sure ... though i think we're wrapping up the status at least | 20:18 |
| mestery | russellb: But I do agree with your assessment around scale | 20:18 |
| russellb | ok | 20:18 |
| annegentle | and if the focus should be "just document open source happy path" that's good for scope/focus/rallying troups who write | 20:19 |
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| ttx | I don't want to get into too much detail in the TC meeting, except recording the plan is now a bit more unlikely and needs to be further addressed | 20:19 |
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| russellb | ttx: yep, sounds good | 20:19 |
| annegentle | mestery: any other docs efforts? | 20:19 |
| ttx | russellb: so.. concerns about Gap6 and Gap7? | 20:19 |
| ttx | or more | 20:19 |
| mestery | annegentle: emagana has an etherpad with what we need to do, it was shared in monday;s neutron meeting | 20:19 |
| ttx | and maybe Gap5? | 20:20 |
| annegentle | mestery: ok, I've edited that, so sounds like we know what we know | 20:20 |
| russellb | ttx: primary concerns are with 5, 6, and 7 | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | so... hold up one sec | 20:20 |
| mestery | annegentle: ack | 20:20 |
| * russellb holds up | 20:20 | |
| jaypipes | sitting next to markmcclain and he is frustrated with lack of clarity and specifics around Gap6 and Gap7 | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | and frankly, after looking at the wiki, I share his concerns... | 20:20 |
| * markmcclain was hoping to clear them up with nova team this week | 20:20 | |
| russellb | i think there was much more detailed discussion than ended up captured on this page ... | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | mestery: what is the status from Oleg on Gap6? any specific status from him? | 20:20 |
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| ttx | #info TC voices concerns about Gap 5, Gap 6 and Gap 7 -- further precisions needed | 20:21 |
| mestery | jaypipes: The status is his BP didn't make the nova cut :( | 20:21 |
| mestery | jaypipes: He's done some great exploratory work, but the final approach wasn't signed off by nova in time was my understanding | 20:21 |
| jaypipes | mestery: could we put a link in that wiki to the relevant specs or etherpads pls? | 20:21 |
| russellb | shall we take an action for a subet of folks to work on further clarity around expectations here? | 20:21 |
| mestery | jaypipes: ++ | 20:21 |
| mestery | russellb: Yes, please | 20:21 |
| russellb | i'm happy to assist. | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | russellb: that's a good idea | 20:21 |
| jaypipes | mestery: just helps in getting the details about those gaps. | 20:21 |
| mestery | jaypipes: yes, agreed | 20:21 |
| ttx | let's expand on that during the cross-project meeting if that works for everyone | 20:22 |
| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:22 |
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| ttx | moving to next | 20:22 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Trove_Gap_Coverage | 20:22 |
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| russellb | #action mestery to work on clarified definitions of gaps 6 and 7 and bring back to TC for review, (russellb will help) | 20:22 |
| jaypipes | mestery: so, on Gap6, it currently says "This work is currently being scoped.". Should that be "This work is scoped now in blueprint <LINK>". | 20:22 |
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| mestery | jaypipes: Yes, that makes more sense. | 20:23 |
| ttx | 3 first gaps on Trove still open | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | So for trove we made really good progress on Gap 5 - it's now complete. | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | (Neutron support) | 20:23 |
| ttx | with gap 2 and gap 3 moved from j2 to j3 | 20:24 |
| SlickNik | So for gap 2 we finished up the API docs. | 20:24 |
| ttx | SlickNik: how confident are you for completion of those two by j3? | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | And we went through an exercise identifying where we have holes in the docs. | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | Results of that are at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-doc-items | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | I'm confident that we can address these in juno-3 (gap 2) | 20:26 |
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| ttx | doc can be worked on post-j3 anyway | 20:26 |
| annegentle | SlickNik: yeah you've made good progress there | 20:26 |
| ttx | more concerned about gap3 honestly | 20:26 |
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| SlickNik | Getting gap 3 done by j3 has become _my_ top priority. | 20:27 |
| ttx | does tat need more infrfa lova ? anything we can do to help? | 20:27 |
| russellb | getting changes in upstream CI is less and less likely as we approach end of cycle | 20:27 |
| ttx | ow | 20:27 |
| russellb | based on history at least | 20:27 |
| ttx | I meant "does that need more infra love" | 20:27 |
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| SlickNik | ttx: yes that would help | 20:27 |
| ttx | jeblair: ^ | 20:27 |
| jeblair | the linked change came in right before the infra-core world tour, so i expect none of us has had a chance to review it | 20:28 |
| SlickNik | But they've been great so far :) | 20:28 |
| SlickNik | especially clarkb, fungi, and jeblair | 20:28 |
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| * fungi has not been great | 20:28 | |
| SlickNik | It's me who's had my plate somewhat full tackling the neutron gap. | 20:28 |
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| russellb | fungi: you're always great :) | 20:28 |
| ttx | #info TC expresses concerns about Gap 3, keep us posted on progress | 20:28 |
| ttx | OK, other remarks on Trove? | 20:28 |
| SlickNik | ttx: Will do. | 20:28 |
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| fungi | ttx: "infra tough love" | 20:29 |
| russellb | <3 infra | 20:29 |
| annegentle | or lava | 20:29 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Horizon_Gap_Coverage | 20:29 |
| clarkb | too much going on | 20:29 |
| ttx | david-lyle: ohai | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | ttx: o/ | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | Gap 1 is up for review | 20:30 |
| ttx | yeah, it's us slacking there | 20:30 |
| ttx | will get it solved in 5 min | 20:30 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: you mean Gap 0? | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | yes, sorry, Gap 1 has slipped but is still targeted for Juno, losing confidence that is going to make Juno, big openstack.requirements change blocking | 20:31 |
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| ttx | #info Gap 1 unlikely to be closed within Juno timeframe | 20:31 |
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| dhellmann | david-lyle: have a link to the requirements change? | 20:31 |
| ttx | I think that's relatively fine, though | 20:31 |
| ttx | more interested in getting Gap 4 covered tbh | 20:32 |
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| annegentle | sorry you all, I have to drop off now, but will catch up tonight | 20:32 |
| ttx | how is that (gap 4) going? | 20:32 |
| ttx | annegentle: o/ | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97793/ | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | ttx: we are making progress, but I don't know that it will be integrated into the gate in Juno | 20:33 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97793/ | 20:33 |
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| ttx | #info Gap 4 might miss the target too | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | in fact I imagine it won't as we get more functionality there | 20:33 |
| ttx | david-lyle: feeling confident on all the other ones, right? | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | yes | 20:34 |
| jeblair | david-lyle: "The only code not already split is JavaScript and CSS that straddles both sides, this has been the main impediment for finishing the split. " refers to the xstatic packages? | 20:34 |
| ttx | Other comments on horizon? | 20:34 |
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| jeblair | david-lyle: and so that's the blocker for the toolkit/django repo split? | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | jeblair: the xstatic packages are pulling out those common components | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | yes, that's a blocker at this point | 20:35 |
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| jeblair | thank | 20:35 |
| jeblair | s | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | there will be some repo work once that resolves, but that's the hardest part | 20:35 |
| ttx | I think that affects only Horizon though | 20:36 |
| ttx | so i'm relatively fine with it missing the mark | 20:36 |
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| ttx | ok, glance | 20:36 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Glance_Gap_Coverage | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | correct, but it will add an openstack requirement for the horizon_lib package | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 20:36 |
| ttx | Looks like the only gap there missed the j2 mark | 20:36 |
| * markmcclain approves 97793 | 20:36 | |
| jeblair | and may be a bit disruptive as we rework the gate structure for both repos | 20:36 |
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| jeblair | (but i'm very much looking forward to it!) | 20:37 |
| ttx | markwash: if you're arond, can you comment on having that gap covered in j3? | 20:37 |
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| markwash | o/ | 20:37 |
| markwash | we had some effort around figuring out exactly where we need to change the image data bits in tempest | 20:37 |
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| markwash | but then actually fixing it seems to have not had much progress | 20:38 |
| markwash | so I'm add the review right now | 20:38 |
| markwash | expect it to be in gerrit within the hour | 20:38 |
| markwash | s/add/adding | 20:38 |
| ttx | markwash: ok | 20:38 |
| ttx | Commenst on Glance? | 20:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Blessing Heat gap coverage plan | 20:39 |
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| ttx | Heat was under gap analysis at the last meeting | 20:39 |
| ttx | zaneb proposed the following plan: | 20:39 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Heat_Gap_Coverage | 20:39 |
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| ttx | The last item still needs a date/owner | 20:39 |
| ttx | I assume it's a j3 item and that it will have an owner | 20:39 |
| ttx | With that objection noted, I think it looks like a good plan | 20:39 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:40 |
| ttx | #info Gap 3 needs an owner and a target milestone | 20:40 |
| ttx | #info Other wise plan looks good, make it happen | 20:40 |
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| ttx | Remarks on that? | 20:40 |
| ttx | #topic Expand scope of the Identity program | 20:41 |
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| ttx | dolphm: around? | 20:41 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:41 |
| ttx | So that's two separate parts: | 20:41 |
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| ttx | * Expand scope of the Identity program to include auditing (https://review.openstack.org/109664) | 20:41 |
| ttx | This one is about keystone adopting PyCADF and expanding the program scope to cover it, which I think makes great sense, as long as Keystone and PyCADF maintainers are fine with it | 20:41 |
| ttx | * Rename the "Identity" program (https://review.openstack.org/108739) | 20:41 |
| ttx | So... This one raises an interesting question, which was also raised by Glance recently | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | we talked about it at the oslo meeting, and the oslo-core and pycadf-core teams agree to the move | 20:42 |
| ttx | Currently we are using the same term for the program name (i.e. the team name) and the "OpenStack name" of the main product | 20:42 |
| dolphm | dhellmann: ++ | 20:42 |
| ttx | i.e. the Compute team produces Nova, also known as OpenStack Compute | 20:42 |
| ttx | but with programs taking on multiple projects, we reach the limits of this system | 20:42 |
| ttx | So I think we may need to divorce the team names from the OpenStack names. | 20:42 |
| russellb | ttx: makes sense. | 20:42 |
| ttx | We could add a line in there under "integrated-since:" that says "openstack-name: OpenStack Compute", and then be able to rename programs as we want | 20:42 |
| ttx | Which solves the issue with marketing wanting to have a say on the "OpenStack names" we pick or rename | 20:43 |
| mikal | russellb: yeah, I think nova will hit this in the next few releases too | 20:43 |
| jeblair | what would the nova/compute team want to rename themselves to if their product is still 'openstack compute'? | 20:43 |
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| ttx | jeblair: Nova is the counterexample, it would probably have the same term used in both places | 20:44 |
| jeblair | i'm just trying to get a handle on the issue :) | 20:44 |
| ttx | But Glance or keystone... | 20:44 |
| ttx | jeblair: just look at https://review.openstack.org/108739 | 20:44 |
| mikal | jeblair: we can discuss that later, but I think we might want to break the nova == compute relationship sometime in the future is all | 20:44 |
| mikal | jeblair: i.e. when we have a gantt project as well | 20:44 |
| russellb | i think this is a bit of an side from the reviews at hand ... | 20:44 |
| russellb | aside* | 20:44 |
| jeblair | mikal: gotcha | 20:44 |
| mikal | russellb: agreeed | 20:44 |
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| ttx | Keystone can't be named "OpenStack Authentication, Authorization, and Audit" | 20:45 |
| mikal | Its more that I am interested in where the precident goes | 20:45 |
| russellb | ttx: well I'm -1 on the rename, anyway :) | 20:45 |
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| eglynn | tripleA? | 20:45 |
| russellb | I think Identity is just fine. | 20:45 |
| ttx | russellb: but do you recognize it will become a problem as programs take on more projects? | 20:45 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 20:45 |
| russellb | it is concise, clear, and captures the primary mission. | 20:45 |
| morganfainberg | russellb, i'm curious why you think identity is "fine" it really does not convey the program, what it encompasses, and where it is trending to go | 20:45 |
| vishy | openstack-triple-a | 20:46 |
| russellb | morganfainberg: it's your primary mission, for sure, right? | 20:46 |
| morganfainberg | russellb, it isn't the *primary* focus anymore to be a source of identity, it is more of a source of authorization not authn | 20:46 |
| sdague | russellb: ++ | 20:46 |
| dolphm | russellb: the issue with "identity" is that providing a source of "identity" is our last priority | 20:46 |
| russellb | the mission statement is for covering your full scope | 20:46 |
| russellb | not the name of the program | 20:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 20:46 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: yeh, but I think changing that name is more confusing than leaving it | 20:46 |
| sdague | because there is inertia in understanding | 20:46 |
| morganfainberg | sdague, that is a better arguement imo | 20:46 |
| russellb | dolphm: i think that's splitting hairs ... it provides identity to openstack via some way ... it's the identity API | 20:46 |
| jaypipes | we don't call the Compute program "The Compute, Containers, Bare-metal, Hypervisors, and Virtualization" program, either. | 20:46 |
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| devananda | naming aside, perhaps I missed something. has the scope change been discussed, in terms of how it (does or does not) impact other programs? | 20:47 |
| mikal | jaypipes: that's a great idea. Not. | 20:47 |
| dolphm | russellb: we abstract the identity problem away from openstack, for sure | 20:47 |
| ttx | russellb: so you're arguing the issue may exist, but we are not hitting it just yet, since the program should not be renamed | 20:47 |
| jeblair | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109664/1 | 20:47 |
| russellb | ttx: pretty much, yes | 20:47 |
| ttx | russellb: ok, that's valid | 20:47 |
| markmcclain | jaypipes: s/and Virtualization/Virtualization and Kitchen Sink/ | 20:47 |
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| ttx | let's cross that bridge when we get there | 20:47 |
| russellb | ttx: yes :) | 20:47 |
| ttx | A related question is whether we should just rename "programs" to "teams", because some people have been very confused by the "program" term, and think there is more to it than what it is (a team). | 20:47 |
| ttx | But then chaging name is about as confusing | 20:48 |
| devananda | jeblair: right. saw that. adding a library to this program doesn't clarify to me how the responsibility of "auditing" is centralized in this program or distributed across all programs | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | well, in the oslo program we have several teams, so I'm not sure that fits us | 20:48 |
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| russellb | ttx: i'm neutral on that ... but agree that i've seen the confusion. | 20:48 |
| dolphm | devananda: the scope change should not affect any other projects .. i was careful to choose "auditing" to include pycadf but not "accounting" which would overstep ceilometer and quota efforts :-/ | 20:48 |
| devananda | jeblair: eg, measurements (ceilometer) is a single program which other programs must integrate with. is Auditing following that model? | 20:48 |
| mikal | ttx: we only just picked "programs", let's stick with it for a while | 20:48 |
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| russellb | ttx: question is, will time solve the confusion, or do we need to change | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | mikal: +1 | 20:49 |
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| ttx | hehe | 20:49 |
| devananda | dolphm: what is to be audited -- events within other projects/programs, right? | 20:49 |
| russellb | i'm inclined to stick with it for now (programs) | 20:49 |
| dolphm | devananda: yes; we started with authentication & authorization events in keystone, for example | 20:49 |
| ttx | I think the discussion can continue on the review themselves | 20:49 |
| ttx | and be back on the agenda when we expressed ourselves there | 20:50 |
| ttx | i'll approve the first one in a few days unless somebody complain, it's just a project move and it's got noth PTLs approvals | 20:50 |
| ttx | both* | 20:50 |
| russellb | ttx: it's more than a project move though | 20:50 |
| ttx | The second one sounds more funny than expected | 20:50 |
| russellb | ttx: it also updates mission | 20:50 |
| mikal | dolphm: waitup one sec | 20:51 |
| ttx | ah. Good point | 20:51 |
| mikal | dolphm: the pycadf code is a bit... weird | 20:51 |
| ttx | I'll wait for 7 YEs on there then | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | so can we require that pyCADF gets a revamp? | 20:51 |
| mikal | dolphm: are you committing to making it less odd? | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | the code is somewhere between terrible and awful | 20:51 |
| ttx | terriful? | 20:51 |
| mikal | markmcclain: it is intertaining | 20:51 |
| russellb | tell us how you really feel :) | 20:51 |
| dolphm | mikal: are you offering to propose a list of oddities to tackle? | 20:51 |
| sdague | ttx: ++ | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | haha | 20:51 |
| mikal | dolphm: not overly? | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | dolphm: have you read it? | 20:51 |
| mikal | dolphm: I do think it needs a spring clean though | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | it was designed by some guys who knew more about cadf than python. it's probably not optimal. do we need to trash it? | 20:52 |
| russellb | gap: make it suck less | 20:52 |
| russellb | ? | 20:52 |
| mikal | dolphm: do you disagree with me? | 20:52 |
| fungi | did we have any outstanding plans for a security audit of pycadf? is it targeted for vmt support? | 20:52 |
| dolphm | markmcclain: not exhaustively | 20:52 |
| sdague | make it not be thinly translated java code | 20:52 |
| dolphm | mikal: i call it opinionated :) | 20:52 |
| sdague | dolphm: like it wants to be java? | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: ew, that would be my definition of terriful. Translated from java code into Python | 20:52 |
| russellb | AuditFactoryFactory? | 20:52 |
| fungi | clearly that's a factory which builds audit factories | 20:53 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/pycadf/tree/pycadf/event.py | 20:53 |
| ttx | hmm, the question of pycadf being awful is slightly orthogonal though, if both the current owner and the future owner agree to move it across | 20:53 |
| devananda | i'm unclear on how adding pycadf to keystone provides any auditing to openstack unless each project implements significant changes | 20:53 |
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| ttx | maybe we should start a thread on pycadf awfulness and get some clear list on how to fix it? | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | devananda: the keystone middleware will use pycadf to emit audit notifications | 20:54 |
| russellb | markmcclain: that hurts | 20:54 |
| mikal | ttx: we should be tactful about it please | 20:54 |
| ttx | ew | 20:54 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: okay, yeah that's a bit hard to read | 20:54 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I see, thanks | 20:54 |
| ttx | we need a tactful person to present it | 20:55 |
| jeblair | however | 20:55 |
| ttx | any volunteer? | 20:55 |
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| dhellmann | I really don't think it's appropriate for you guys to be trashing this code. As I said, the developers had a lot of domain knowledge. We expected to clean up the implementation over time. | 20:55 |
| vishy | wtf setattr hell | 20:55 |
| mikal | I think markmcclain volunteered | 20:55 |
| jeblair | considering that it's middleware, how much do we really care about the api? | 20:55 |
| jeblair | er i mean the internal api | 20:55 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, some projects use it directly, so the internal api does matter some | 20:55 |
| mikal | dhellmann: I agree, I think we can improve it without getting personal about it | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | mikal: ++ | 20:56 |
| mikal | dhellmann: we've all written code we regret in the past | 20:56 |
| sdague | jeblair: well, I think the question is maintainability if it's a core part of a project | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, but ... not sure if it's a huge deal (and can be cleaned up as we go) | 20:56 |
| markmcclain | I'd just like to see if be much more pythonic | 20:56 |
| vishy | its just unpythonic ut im sure the code is fine | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | mikal: and sometimes the not too distant past :-) | 20:56 |
| ttx | ok, so no need to trash it | 20:56 |
| mikal | dhellmann: or the future | 20:56 |
| mikal | I am doing it now | 20:56 |
| ttx | and again, this discussion is a bit orthogonal to the issue | 20:56 |
| ttx | and we need to move on | 20:56 |
| mikal | ttx: well, I do think we are asking if keystone can shepherd this forwards | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | mikal: you're in a weird time zone, your past might be my future | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: well, we're talking about a scope expansion, so i don't think it's entirely unrelated | 20:56 |
| mikal | ttx: if that's a yes, then I'm cool with it | 20:57 |
| ttx | mikal: everybody seem to be happy for them to do so ? | 20:57 |
| dolphm | mikal: that's a yes | 20:57 |
| mikal | dolphm: then I am cool | 20:57 |
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| ttx | if dhellmann and dolphm are fine with transition I-m fine | 20:57 |
| ttx | further comments on the review! | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | I'm fine, and gordc (primary maintainer) is fine. | 20:57 |
| markmcclain | dolphm: thanks | 20:57 |
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| ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:57 |
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| ttx | * Add repository glance.store to glance (https://review.openstack.org/107585) | 20:57 |
| ttx | I'll need markwash to confirm he wants it in, then if nobody objects I'll approve it | 20:58 |
| ttx | * Adds the openstack/os-net-config to TripleO... (https://review.openstack.org/108745) | 20:58 |
| ttx | lifeless did approve it -- so I'll approve unless someone objects to it today | 20:58 |
| ttx | * Adding Horizon mission statement (https://review.openstack.org/102050) | 20:58 |
| markwash | ttx: we're having a little discussion about that this week | 20:58 |
| markwash | ttx: so hold off for at least two days :-) | 20:58 |
| ttx | Still one approval short on that last one | 20:58 |
| ttx | dhellmann agreed to disagree | 20:58 |
| ttx | so we just need another +1 and be done with it | 20:58 |
| markwash | hmm, should I add that note to the review? | 20:58 |
| ttx | markwash: yes please | 20:59 |
| ttx | when OK with it, add that you support it (+0) | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Cosmetic governance changes | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cosmetic governance changes (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:59 | |
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| ttx | * Updates the Designate repo namespace to openstack/ (https://review.openstack.org/107395) | 20:59 |
| ttx | I'll approve this one now, it has enough approvals | 20:59 |
| ttx | * Sync programs.yaml with current gerrit repos (https://review.openstack.org/107690) | 20:59 |
| ttx | So for this one, my goal was to find adopters for the remaining ones on the list... But at this point it's probably simpler to propose them as further changes | 20:59 |
| ttx | jeblair: I suspect you want a few of those in "infra" | 21:00 |
| ttx | maybe just adopt them in a future change | 21:00 |
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| ttx | * use ">" to indicate multiline mission statements (https://review.openstack.org/109021) | 21:00 |
| ttx | rebases ahead! will approve once we get the previous ones in to avoid most of those | 21:00 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 21:00 | |
| ttx | Two things I wanted to quickly mention before we clsoe | 21:00 |
| ttx | griff started a TC thread on "Block Storage abstractions in Cinder" | 21:00 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-July/000736.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | I'm not sure there is any meeting discussion/action for us to take on it | 21:00 |
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| ttx | If you think otherwise, let me know | 21:01 |
| jeblair | griff: oh you changed your name? | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | Speaking of Java code masquerading as Python code... | 21:01 |
| ttx | In other news, Ryan Lane resigned from the User committee | 21:01 |
| ttx | Since he was the nominee from the TC, Tim Bell asked us to nominate someone else | 21:01 |
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| ttx | So please think about names which would make great representatives of OpenStack users -- then we can pick one and ask that person if they would be interested | 21:01 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:01 |
| anteaya | thanks to Ryan_Lane for all his great work | 21:01 |
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| jeblair | sad to hear that :( | 21:01 |
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| ttx | discussing names will be for a future meeting discussion | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Those interested in further digging into Neutron gap coverage progress, you can stay tuned as we'll tackle some of that in the cross-project meeting next | 21:02 |
| ttx | ok, closing meeting in 30sec, famous last words | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: re: the Cinder block storage abstraction... | 21:03 |
| ttx | jaypipes: yes? | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: it also is Java code trying to be Python. | 21:03 |
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| * jaypipes ecourages TC folks to review the code... | 21:03 | |
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| ttx | ack | 21:03 |
| ttx | contribute to that thread with further thoughts. | 21:04 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:04 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 21:04:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-07-29-20.02.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-07-29-20.02.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-07-29-20.02.log.html | 21:04 |
| ttx | Sorry been running late | 21:04 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, mikal, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:04 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:04 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:04 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | here | 21:04 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:04 |
| * stevebaker IS zaneb | 21:04 | |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:05 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 21:05:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:05 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:05 |
| ttx | stevebaker: you looked familiar | 21:05 |
| mikal | But also at a meetup so not super paying attention | 21:05 |
| * devananda lurks, but is still semi-afk at the ironic meetup | 21:05 | |
| ttx | Agenda for today is available at: | 21:05 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:05 |
| stevebaker | ttx: this is not the PTL you're looking for | 21:05 |
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| * stevebaker waves arm | 21:05 | |
| ttx | just added a topic based on the TC discussion | 21:05 |
| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News from the 1:1 sync points (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:05 | |
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| ttx | We had 1:1 syncs today for everyone but Nova, here is the log: | 21:06 |
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| ttx | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-07-29-11.48.html | 21:06 |
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| ttx | Some plans are ambitious, some others very reasonable. We'll see where we stand in two weeks | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Infra, QA, Docs... anything you'd like to mention ? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | jeblair, mtreinish, annegentle ^ | 21:07 |
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| dhellmann | I'm behind on email, but there should have been an announcement for a new oslo.utils library earlier today. | 21:07 |
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| jeblair | have folks seen the message from sean and i about testing changes we're proposing? | 21:08 |
| * dhellmann makes a note to read up | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | jeblair: yup. sounds great IMO | 21:08 |
| ttx | yep, read and commented | 21:08 |
| ttx | (and hijacked) | 21:08 |
| stevebaker | I've started the work to move tempest orchestration scenario tests to be the heat functional tests, which means heat-slow will need to become heat-functional | 21:08 |
| jeblair | functional testing++ is a big takeaway there | 21:08 |
| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041057.html | 21:09 |
| eglynn | jeblair: /me wonders about the timescales envisaged for that switch to in-tree functional tests? | 21:09 |
| stevebaker | I'm not sure if I'm jumping the gun there, but am more than happy for heat to be the first here | 21:09 |
| eglynn | ... and the sequencing WRT the libification of tempest | 21:09 |
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| eglynn | jeblair: are we looking at this switch as a juno thing? (... or more with an eye to kilo?) | 21:10 |
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| jeblair | eglynn: that's a good question; some projects are already heading in that direction: swift and neutron for starters | 21:11 |
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| jeblair | i think we need to polish a bit on the infra side and a bit on the projects side to get a good pattern for others to follow | 21:11 |
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| jeblair | i'd guess that we'd expect to see a good pattern in place by juno, and maybe push harder for wide adoption in kilo | 21:12 |
| eglynn | jeblair: well it would be good to have a small number of solid exemplars in place initially, to avoid too much divergence/duplication of effort when the other projects follow suit | 21:12 |
| jeblair | but that's just a guess | 21:12 |
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| jeblair | sdague may have thoughts too | 21:12 |
| eglynn | jeblair: that sounds like a reasonable enough goal | 21:12 |
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| markwash | so we keep being kind of interested in refactoring our functionalish testing in glance | 21:12 |
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| stevebaker | neutron has a functional job already? | 21:13 |
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| markwash | I'd be interested to have somebody 'splain me what kind of testing changes we ought to consider | 21:13 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, I think that's the right cadence | 21:13 |
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| jeblair | stevebaker: yes, there's a neutron func test | 21:14 |
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| stevebaker | jeblair: ok, I shall use that for conventions for the heat-slow replacement | 21:14 |
| mestery | stevebaker: marun is our functional testing champion | 21:15 |
| eglynn | markwash: IIUC the focus initially will be on moving stuff out of Tempest (as opposed to, out of the existing in-tree tests) | 21:15 |
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| stevebaker | mestery: ok, thanks | 21:15 |
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| markwash | okay cool, /me reads up on the email again | 21:15 |
| jeblair | stevebaker: we're still working through some infra issues on it (i need to help marun fix the sudo stuff) | 21:15 |
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| markwash | fwiw I think this effort, esp how it revolves around devstack, would be really fantastic for us | 21:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: its fixed | 21:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I figured it out yesterday. sorry if that wasn't advertised | 21:16 |
| markwash | since we could add functional tests for uncommon but supported configurations | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: while we're on testing, is the cross-project unit stuff still on your radar? | 21:16 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ha! | 21:16 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: we weren't running devsdtack with neutron enabled so the sudo rules for neutron rootwrap were not installed | 21:17 |
| markwash | without adding unnecessary gating load | 21:17 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: i'm just really behind on reviews because of all the traveling | 21:18 |
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| stevebaker | markwash: heat has similar issues, I wonder if we could have a bunch of experimental jobs which run the functional tests against unusual configurations | 21:18 |
| fungi | dhellmann: i have that one up in a tab in my browser and keep not making progress on it. hopefully rsn | 21:18 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: understood, but I thought there was some second-thinking going on, too, so I wanted to double check | 21:18 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: oh, hrm, i thought we were just executing the plan from the summit | 21:19 |
| jeblair | (and the spec was just documenting that with complete sentences) | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: maybe it's just sdague who has second thoughts, then | 21:19 |
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| ttx | OK, I think there is lots of excitement around this, but I think the discussion can continue on the mailing-list, unless someone has the killer question | 21:20 |
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| jeblair | hrm, the spec for it has a +2 from me and no -1s; lifeless had some comments | 21:20 |
| ttx | the one that shall not be answered on the mailing-list | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: ok, this was on irc, so maybe it wasn't strong enough to warrant a change in vote -- I assumed you 2 had talked at the sprint | 21:20 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: just saw lifeless comments, so I'll get back to that next week when I return from vacation | 21:21 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i don't recall discussing this with sdague; so either we have not, or my brain has overflowed :) | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: :-) | 21:22 |
| jeblair | (i'd give that even money) | 21:22 |
| ttx | ok, anything more on that topic ? | 21:22 |
| sdague | this didn't come up there, it was a busy week with other things. And honestly right now it's the meetup here, so need to pay attention in this room. Maybe an ML thread would be better | 21:22 |
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| ttx | ack | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | sdague: if you have comments, please leave them on the review in progress | 21:23 |
| jeblair | 95885 | 21:23 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova/Neutron migration and other Neutron gaps | 21:24 |
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| ttx | So at the TC meeting just before we looked at progress on the Neutron gap coverage plan: | 21:24 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Neutron_Gap_Coverage | 21:24 |
| ttx | There are concerns on gap 5, gap 6 and gap 7 | 21:24 |
| mestery | ttx: For some of this discussion, markmcclain and I have been talking, and it may be best to postpone until after this week's nova mid-cycle | 21:24 |
| mestery | ttx: A lot is going on right now in that room in fact :) | 21:24 |
| ttx | ok, that makes sense | 21:24 |
| russellb | fine with me. | 21:25 |
| mestery | russellb: I still want to sync with you later this week around this though. | 21:25 |
| russellb | though we do need to add more detail to 6 and 7 to make sure expectations are the same all around | 21:25 |
| russellb | and 5, really | 21:25 |
| mestery | russellb: +1, that's what you and I can take a cut at. | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | russellb: ++ | 21:25 |
| mestery | And then we can share next week | 21:25 |
| russellb | mestery: yep, sounds good. i'm out friday, part of thursday | 21:25 |
| mestery | russellb: Sounds like we're on for tomorrow :) | 21:25 |
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| russellb | mestery: yep | 21:26 |
| ttx | OK, and if we need to talk about it at the next meeting, just add it to the agenda | 21:26 |
| mestery | ttx: ack | 21:26 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:26 |
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| markwash | quick say something so ttx can't go to sleep | 21:27 |
| ttx | All: the TC will have to pick a new nominee for the User committee to replace Ryan Lane. If you have great users that would make awesome dev-friendly reps for the user committee, please communicate names to your nearest TC member | 21:27 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | markwash: FAIL | 21:27 |
| markwash | lol | 21:28 |
| ttx | time to get creative | 21:28 |
| russellb | how do you define locality to TC members | 21:28 |
| markwash | stare directly at the sun | 21:28 |
| ttx | russellb: alphabetically | 21:28 |
| ttx | though some hash would make it more DHT | 21:28 |
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| dolphm | in other news, keystone might revert it's default back to UUID tokens https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1350000 | 21:29 |
| jeblair | russellb: kevin bacons | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350000 in keystone "UUID is a more friendly default token provider than PKI" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 21:29 |
| * SergeyLukjanov likes using hash | 21:29 | |
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| ttx | dolphm: i would only consider it because you snatched a round bug number | 21:30 |
| markwash | the proof of work on that bug number is impressive. 4 zeroes! | 21:30 |
| dolphm | ttx: oh wow. lol | 21:30 |
| russellb | yeah nice bug number | 21:30 |
| jeblair | i too have no substantive comments other than feeling the bug number is friendly | 21:30 |
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| ttx | dolphm: I don't have enough energy left to bitch about going back and forth and how lame that makes us look | 21:31 |
| russellb | i'd be interested in the performance differences between the two, but trust you and the team's judgement | 21:31 |
| markwash | dolphm: how about when we figure out how to make keystone use kerberos to authenticate token creation, we teach other services to use kerberos too and forgo tokens altogether? | 21:31 |
| russellb | markwash: zing | 21:31 |
| jeblair | markwash: ++ | 21:31 |
| dolphm | ttx: that's why i've tried to hold on to pki - i didn't want to switch back. i'm ready to give up though | 21:31 |
| stevebaker | is hashed PKI an option? | 21:32 |
| jeblair | morganfainberg: ^ fyi | 21:32 |
| dolphm | markwash: we're always discussing alternatives to bearer tokens | 21:32 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, i'm watching | 21:32 |
| dolphm | stevebaker: sure, but that negates the purpose of PKI and you might as well use UUID for less effort | 21:32 |
| stevebaker | true | 21:32 |
| ttx | dolphm: do we ahve any idea what users use there ? | 21:32 |
| russellb | ah, so token revocation events deals with the original perf problem with polling when using UUID tokens ... | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, mostly UUID | 21:33 |
| dolphm | ^^ | 21:33 |
| ttx | The change is backward-compatible though so I guess that's OK -- youwould still support PKI tokens | 21:33 |
| dolphm | ttx: and continue to improve support for PKI tokens, which as it turns out, has improved our support for UUID at the same time | 21:34 |
| dolphm | in terms of UUID performance, etc | 21:34 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:34 |
| markwash | dolphm: sorry for any snarkiness | 21:34 |
| ttx | ISTR PKI was originally introduced to reduce load on keystone server | 21:34 |
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| ttx | by letting service autovalidate | 21:34 |
| ttx | is that no longer true / no longer an issue? | 21:35 |
| markwash | but seriously, the time when we drop the keystone IdP (or make it its own thing) might be an opportunity to rethink the authn and high level authz story | 21:35 |
| morganfainberg | markwash, that is an active discussion even now. | 21:35 |
| dolphm | markwash: ++ | 21:35 |
| markwash | how can I join such discussion? | 21:35 |
| markwash | I've been slogging through some of this stuff privately | 21:35 |
| markwash | sorry glance | 21:35 |
| morganfainberg | markwash, hang out in #openstack-keystone, join our meetings. | 21:35 |
| markwash | kk | 21:35 |
| morganfainberg | markwash, but mostly #openstack-keystone and ML | 21:35 |
| dolphm | dreamy stuff like that has mostly been in IRC and out-of-session summit get-togethers | 21:36 |
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| ttx | well, that kept me awake for sure | 21:37 |
| ttx | Now I won't be able to sleep ;) | 21:37 |
| russellb | nightmares? | 21:37 |
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| dolphm | PKIZ_<base64-encoded-nightmare> | 21:38 |
| markwash | haha | 21:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, PKIZ_<base64-encoded-5k+-encoded-nightmare | 21:38 |
| dolphm | > | 21:39 |
| markwash | phew, closure | 21:39 |
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| dolphm | #endnightmare | 21:39 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 21:39:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-07-29-21.05.html | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-07-29-21.05.txt | 21:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-07-29-21.05.log.html | 21:39 |
| ttx | thanks everyone! | 21:39 |
| russellb | thanks, ttx ! | 21:39 |
| eglynn | good night all! | 21:40 |
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