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| JRobinson__ | APAC docs meeting in 20 minutes | 02:42 |
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| loquacities | hey, do we have a quorum? | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | perhaps | 03:00 |
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| loquacities | there's a bunch of us sitting in a meeting room at Red Hat in Brisbane | 03:00 |
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| dnavale | hey loquacities | 03:00 |
| loquacities | heya Sam-I-Am | 03:00 |
| loquacities | hi dnavale! | 03:00 |
| loquacities | we're missing you! | 03:01 |
| sgordon__ | i made everyone sandwiches | 03:01 |
| sgordon__ | and now i am eating them | 03:01 |
| alexandra | dnavale ! hear you're out for the count. Hope you're okay! | 03:01 |
| loquacities | awww, thanks sgordon__ | 03:01 |
| alexandra | sgordon__, wow. nice work. | 03:01 |
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| dnavale | yeah.. better today, alexandra | 03:01 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 03:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 03:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:01 |
| alexandra | Good to hear, hope it's a fast recovery | 03:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:01 | |
| dnavale | thanks, hopefully soon | 03:01 |
| loquacities | regXboi to add list of existing neutron doc bugs to the blueprint | 03:02 |
| loquacities | wiki page | 03:02 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: that's you, right? | 03:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | uh | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | regXboi is not me, but i think that was done. | 03:02 |
| loquacities | it's not? | 03:02 |
| slong_ | what is regxboi?? | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | a new docs person | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | interested in neutron | 03:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | they dont come around often | 03:03 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:03 |
| alexandra | Is their name... Matt | 03:03 |
| loquacities | we better look after him :P | 03:03 |
| alexandra | Last name... Kassawarra | 03:03 |
| alexandra | Kassawara* | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong_: wow, long time no see | 03:03 |
| slong_ | :D | 03:03 |
| slong_ | Trying to get back into the fold, Sam-I-Am | 03:03 |
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| slong_ | Did you see I submitted a patch? | 03:04 |
| loquacities | #topic Architecture and Design Guide progress | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Architecture and Design Guide progress (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:04 | |
| loquacities | #info It's Alive! The Architecture Design Guide has been merged | 03:04 |
| alexandra | Yes, yes it has. | 03:04 |
| slong_ | !! | 03:04 |
| openstack | slong_: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 03:04 |
| loquacities | ^^ from the US meeting last week :) | 03:04 |
| alexandra | And it's looking pretty a'okay! | 03:04 |
| loquacities | #link http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/content/ | 03:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong_: its been... months? | 03:05 |
| slong_ | 2 months... | 03:05 |
| * fifieldt_ wanders in | 03:05 | |
| Sam-I-Am | hallo | 03:05 |
| alexandra | fifieldt_, IT'S YOU. You're the one that has regxboi | 03:05 |
| alexandra | Found him loquacities | 03:05 |
| loquacities | so it's worth saying congrats to asettle, since she's here :) | 03:05 |
| alexandra | Oh spanks | 03:05 |
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| loquacities | #topic Review docs-specs: shared glossary and HOT template chapter in user guide | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review docs-specs: shared glossary and HOT template chapter in user guide (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:06 | |
| ddomingo | is that the HEAT templates guide? | 03:06 |
| dnavale | i think that one still waiting for the patch to get approved.. | 03:06 |
| dnavale | yes | 03:06 |
| ddomingo | ack | 03:06 |
| loquacities | ok | 03:07 |
| dnavale | that will be the starting point and then we start including more stuff | 03:07 |
| slong_ | dnavale, who are you working with? | 03:07 |
| slong_ | 'we' | 03:07 |
| dnavale | gauvain | 03:07 |
| dnavale | and annegentle | 03:08 |
| ddomingo | ^ gpocentek | 03:08 |
| annegentle | ohai | 03:08 |
| dnavale | yup.. thats the one.. and this is the starting point https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108133/ | 03:08 |
| annegentle | sorry still getting kids to bed but will pop in when I can | 03:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nice crowd in here | 03:09 |
| loquacities | heya an | 03:09 |
| loquacities | annegentle* | 03:09 |
| loquacities | #topic Summit proposals due 7/28/14 | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit proposals due 7/28/14 (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:09 | |
| loquacities | which is of course done | 03:10 |
| fifieldt_ | did anyone submit anything? | 03:10 |
| loquacities | i did! | 03:10 |
| * fifieldt_ hi5 | 03:10 | |
| alexandra | fifieldt_, the team that wrote the OpenStack Design Guide did :) | 03:10 |
| alexandra | so, hopefully we'll get it! | 03:10 |
| alexandra | We proposed a panel | 03:10 |
| fifieldt_ | ah, that was a fun panel when we did the ops guide :) | 03:11 |
| fifieldt_ | I hope you get it | 03:11 |
| loquacities | me too :) | 03:11 |
| dnavale | alexandra, nice. good luck | 03:11 |
| alexandra | *nods* we heard it was a success for you guys, so we're riding on your coat tails | 03:11 |
| alexandra | Thanks dnavale :0 | 03:11 |
| alexandra | :) * | 03:11 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools updates | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools updates (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:11 | |
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| loquacities | from last meeting: 14:40:10 <annegentle> I don't have a lot to report on doc tools, just keep an eye on the mailing list about the training guide xi:includes | 03:12 |
| fifieldt_ | I am playing with the epub build | 03:12 |
| fifieldt_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107825/ | 03:12 |
| fifieldt_ | I got it to work, kinda | 03:13 |
| fifieldt_ | with image support, even | 03:13 |
| fifieldt_ | it still looks kinda bad, but with that patch, might be usable | 03:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol @ last comment on that patch | 03:13 |
| slong_ | who reads epubs? | 03:13 |
| fifieldt_ | martin paulo is a legend | 03:13 |
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| alexandra | Hahahahaahaha | 03:14 |
| fifieldt_ | slong_, we get requests :D | 03:14 |
| slong_ | :D | 03:14 |
| alexandra | From/ | 03:14 |
| alexandra | ? * | 03:14 |
| fifieldt_ | personally, I hate reading on the screen :) | 03:14 |
| fifieldt_ | from random people on the internet | 03:14 |
| alexandra | So, you and that one guy? | 03:14 |
| alexandra | LOL | 03:14 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:14 |
| fifieldt_ | the complaints were around the epub generated by {book sprint, oreilly} not matching the html/pdf | 03:15 |
| fifieldt_ | the people did actually want epubs :) | 03:15 |
| slong_ | ah, makes sense | 03:15 |
| brucer_ | hm, any idea what % read epub? | 03:15 |
| fifieldt_ | no idea! | 03:15 |
| fifieldt_ | acrtually | 03:15 |
| loquacities | we should be able to get that from website stats, surely? | 03:15 |
| fifieldt_ | I do have an idea | 03:15 |
| fifieldt_ | oreilly sales data is clear | 03:16 |
| alexandra | Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn | 03:16 |
| loquacities | ah | 03:16 |
| fifieldt_ | many more epubs than actual books | 03:16 |
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| fifieldt_ | for ops guide | 03:16 |
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| loquacities | hem, that's not horribly surprising | 03:16 |
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| loquacities | #topic docs swarm | 03:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs swarm (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:17 | |
| loquacities | so, the brisbane docs swarm is on 9 august | 03:17 |
| loquacities | #link http://openstack-swarm.rhcloud.com/ | 03:17 |
| ddomingo | anybody in BNE coming? | 03:18 |
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| alexandra | *waves* yes | 03:18 |
| loquacities | *raises hand* | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | does everyone know about the wiki with the toc? | 03:18 |
| martinlopes_ | /me is going too | 03:18 |
| martinlopes_ | oops | 03:18 |
| martinlopes_ | derp | 03:18 |
| * Sam-I-Am is too far away | 03:18 | |
| loquacities | it's on the links page on that site | 03:19 |
| loquacities | also: there'll be swag | 03:19 |
| loquacities | and pizza | 03:19 |
| alexandra | Oh god, no more pizza | 03:19 |
| alexandra | I ate too much | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | alexandra: mtn dew | 03:19 |
| brucer_ | breakfast tacos? | 03:19 |
| loquacities | there is also an impromptu US meetup later in august | 03:19 |
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| ddomingo | loquacities, for OpenStack upstream docs? or OpenStack upstream devs+docs? | 03:20 |
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| loquacities | docs | 03:21 |
| loquacities | 27 august, at the castle, i believe | 03:21 |
| fifieldt_ | hmmm | 03:22 |
| fifieldt_ | any info on that? | 03:22 |
| loquacities | i think annegentle will be able to help you there | 03:22 |
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| loquacities | ok, i think that covers the formal topics | 03:22 |
| loquacities | #topic Open Discussion | 03:22 |
| fifieldt_ | It'd be great if it was on the mailing list :) | 03:22 |
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| alexandra | Informal topic: breakfast tacos | 03:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | A topic for open discussion is the review guidlines | 03:23 |
| fifieldt_ | how awesome are breakfast tacos? | 03:23 |
| brucer_ | alexandra: Your fave! | 03:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReviewGuidelines | 03:23 |
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| martinlopes_ | containerized breakfast tacos | 03:23 |
| alexandra | Go fuck yourself | 03:23 |
| alexandra | Why would you do this | 03:23 |
| slong_ | no,no, breakfast burritos.... | 03:23 |
| alexandra | hahahaha | 03:23 |
| martinlopes_ | :P | 03:23 |
| sgordon__ | mmmyes JRobinson__ | 03:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | So the docs review guidelines have progressed over the past week. | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | review guidelines = important | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | they keep us sane | 03:24 |
| annegentle | loquacities: not so impromptu, right fifieldt_ -- hooked in with the ops meetup as far as I know | 03:24 |
| JRobinson__ | Indeed, there are some important points there. | 03:24 |
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| annegentle | oh unless fifieldt_ hasn't heard about it yet, which is totally probable. | 03:24 |
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| fifieldt_ | thanks annegentle, unfortunately I haven't. I've got a competing meeting in San Francisco on the 27th, so any details would be great to see if I can shift things around:) | 03:25 |
| annegentle | Edgar, Matt, (Sam-I-Am) and Phil (phil_h) and me so far | 03:25 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Review Guidelines are updated with new content - important reading for docs reviews | 03:25 |
| fifieldt_ | thinking all day, or ... ? | 03:25 |
| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ :) | 03:25 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: phil's working on a room/area, and I'm looking for Edgar's etherpad now | 03:26 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, please do let me know' | 03:26 |
| fifieldt_ | or rather, let the ML know | 03:26 |
| fifieldt_ | :) | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | also... install guide updates making slow progress | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | waiting for juno packages to drop | 03:27 |
| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 03:28 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: can you send a note to the ML about the neutron docs happenin' Aug 27? | 03:28 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: or I can ask Phil too | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | halfway debating replacing ovs with linuxbridge and making nova-net more similar to neutron's arch IF it isnt deprecated. | 03:28 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: read today's TC meeting log; I think OVS is preferred | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i would if i knew the specifics. | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats surprising. | 03:29 |
| annegentle | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-07-29-20.02.log.html | 03:29 |
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| annegentle | well, there's two needs: 1) a documented all-open-source solution and 2) multihost | 03:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all-open-source = not-packages? | 03:30 |
| annegentle | It's unclear to me still whether both needs are dependent on either other in anyway | 03:30 |
| annegentle | driver open source I believe | 03:30 |
| sgordon__ | Sam-I-Am, it's not that surprising | 03:30 |
| annegentle | packages are fine | 03:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | sgordon__: whys that? | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | ovs is a pos | 03:31 |
| sgordon__ | Sam-I-Am, sure | 03:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | difficult to understand and troubleshoot | 03:31 |
| annegentle | I want a tshirt that says "elucidating niggles since 2010" | 03:31 |
| sgordon__ | Sam-I-Am, but if you were happy with LB you would just be using nova-network | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: me too! | 03:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sgordon__: neutron+lb ? | 03:32 |
| sgordon__ | sgordon__, yes | 03:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | get the neutrony things without ovs | 03:32 |
| sgordon__ | sure, but what does that really get you | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | sanity? | 03:33 |
| sgordon__ | that to me is using neutron for the sake of neutron | 03:33 |
| annegentle | sgordon__: unless you're out of ipv4 addresses? | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | what does ovs get you? | 03:33 |
| * annegentle not arguing; making sure I understand | 03:33 | |
| Sam-I-Am | oh no, the ipv6 card :P | 03:33 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: non-vendor lockin on hardware? | 03:33 |
| annegentle | I think? | 03:34 |
| sgordon__ | annegentle, that is not really the argument | 03:34 |
| sgordon__ | annegentle, LB is using the linux bridging that is in the kernel | 03:34 |
| sgordon__ | nothing closed source about it | 03:34 |
| annegentle | sgordon__: ok. I hadn't heard the multihost solution til today | 03:34 |
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| sgordon__ | but most development effort appears to be around OVS | 03:34 |
| annegentle | sgordon__: oh I read load balancing | 03:34 |
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| sgordon__ | because it provides capabilities over and above basic linux bridge | 03:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: when you say documented all-open-source solution, is that like a reference architecture one step better than the one presented in the install guide? | 03:35 |
| sgordon__ | which is why i say if you were happy with LB why would you be using neutron in the first place from a functionality perspective | 03:35 |
| sgordon__ | but again, just my opinion | 03:35 |
| sgordon__ | it's certainly true that OVS is more involved | 03:35 |
| sgordon__ | i would argue part of that is that it forces people into a new way of thinking about their networking versus being able to use the traditional tools as easily | 03:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | in many cases, ovs is doing the same thing as lb... bridging things. | 03:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | like what we cover in the install guide, lb would be fine. | 03:36 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: really I mean "working/tested" since that's the only way we can document | 03:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: we can do things like that. just need time and a place to run/test them. | 03:37 |
| annegentle | and linux bridging is what nova-network does anyway? | 03:37 |
| sgordon__ | Sam-I-Am, what we cover in the install guide nova-network would be fine too | 03:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i also wonder if an all-in-one would be useful | 03:37 |
| sgordon__ | not really the point | 03:37 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I'm still meh on the docs taking on all-in-one; plenty of places for people to find that already | 03:38 |
| annegentle | apparently including training, heh | 03:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: true. just wondering since i see people asking for it. | 03:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought training was using our stuff? | 03:38 |
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| sgordon__ | annegentle, tend to agree | 03:39 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: not based on this week's meeting | 03:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | wat? | 03:39 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: or rather, using or stuff, plus making an allinone for trainers... | 03:39 |
| sgordon__ | they were always supposed to be but even when it was in tree there seemed to be a lot of other content... | 03:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | all-in-ones are difficult to visualize and troubleshoot | 03:39 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ask dbite/ dguitarbite for more | 03:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | unless you want to use linux containers, then its easier | 03:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | but also... containers | 03:40 |
| annegentle | sgordon__: your eyes did not deceive you | 03:40 |
| sgordon__ | none of that knowledge transfers to multihost well either | 03:40 |
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| sgordon__ | since you have no idea which bits to separate or expect collocated | 03:40 |
| annegentle | sgordon__: yah | 03:40 |
| * annegentle is sleepy... | 03:40 | |
| * Sam-I-Am is frustrated | 03:40 | |
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| * sgordon__ is a potatoe | 03:40 | |
| loquacities | we could wrap this up now :) | 03:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | this shouldnt be complicated :/ | 03:41 |
| annegentle | thanks JRobinson__ for the heads up earlier! | 03:41 |
| annegentle | and thanks loquacities! | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: yes, before i 'splode | 03:41 |
| loquacities | np | 03:41 |
| loquacities | thanks for staying late :) | 03:41 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 03:41:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-30-03.01.html | 03:41 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone | 03:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-30-03.01.txt | 03:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-30-03.01.log.html | 03:41 |
| loquacities | let's do this again sometime :) | 03:41 |
| annegentle | yeah fend off OpenStack burnout, for real. | 03:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | You're welcome, seconding what loquacities said - thank you :0 | 03:41 |
| annegentle | loquacities: :) | 03:41 |
| alexandra | or not | 03:41 |
| JRobinson__ | ^:) | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i'm not burned out, i'm frustrated | 03:41 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: understandable | 03:42 |
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| jgriffith | hey Cinder | 16:02 |
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| thingee | yo | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| atan8 | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | somebody else better "start" meeting | 16:03 |
| glenng | Hola | 16:03 |
| bruff1 | hi | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | my connection is flakey | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to lock the channel again :) | 16:03 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | #startmeeting | 16:03 |
| openstack | DuncanT-: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 16:03:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DuncanT-. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jgriffith | sweet | 16:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | hope | 16:03 |
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| rushiagr | o/ | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | #topic cinder client | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | subject says it all :) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Hey guys, sorry I am late. | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj is getting beaten up today. | 16:04 | |
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| jgriffith | anybody have anything on cinderclient? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Try importing _, that'll get you beaten up less ;-) | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: :-p | 16:05 |
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| asselin | hi | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Just looking at the open reviews... Quite a few there | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I'm just asking folks to take a look today at things that want in the tag | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | I have a patch in cinderclient. what do I need to do? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I have something for Cinderclient. | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104056/ I'd quite like, will review now, it already has one +2 | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I would like https://review.openstack.org/107512 and https://review.openstack.org/107153 to get in if possible. | 16:07 |
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| bswartz | hey sorry I'm late | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: DuncanT- none of those look awful | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107153/ I don't want to see land. I *like* seeing the token in debug mode, it is really handy | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | the token one is the only one I question | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | I have this in cinderclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104743/, but it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104732/ | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | ha! | 16:09 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT-: +1000! | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | lag lag lag | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | IMO debug output isn't designed to be "easy" to read :) | 16:09 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: We don't land client changes until the server changes are in | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | not sure I get the security concern... jungleboyj | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | ? | 16:09 |
| navneet | xyang1: blocked by jgriffith till your server code lands | 16:09 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: yes, that makes sense | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | yeah... please mark client changes that depend on server side changes as WIP | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | navneet: sure, I see that | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Was raised internally here. Shouldn't have passwords coming back in debug or the tokens from keystone. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | that should just be standard practice | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Nova has already made that change. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's not a password | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Why not? | 16:10 |
| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: token should be fine | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's a token which expires, and it's "your" token | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: can you remove your WIP so I can mark it? thanks | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: sure... also we can both mark it :) | 16:10 |
| hemna | yo | 16:11 |
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| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: see the comment for similar change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109808/ | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I think we'll pass on the token one.... at least for today and circle back after this tag | 16:11 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: having your WIP looks like you want to block the server side change as well:). that's why I prefer you remove it | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | It also make the debug output a lot easier to read jgriffith | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: well... maybe I do :) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | just kidding | 16:11 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: that's exactly what I'm trying to figure out:) | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: I use the curl in the debug info all the time, loosing it would be really, really incovenient | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I marked it as WIP now | 16:12 |
| hemna | I'm with DuncanT-, I like seeing the keystone token in the debug output | 16:12 |
| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: masking passwd is OK, but token is debug mode really is useful for me. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: saw that.. tahkns | 16:12 |
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| rushiagr | easier to read +1, but if some people prefer seeing the token, I won't go for removing it. Maybe something like <first 10 chars of token>[TOKEN TRUNCATED]<last 10 chars of token> works ? :) | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: thanks | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | rushiagr: Then there's no point having the token in there at all | 16:13 |
| navneet | winston-d_: can someone not use keys and certificate to figure out some info? | 16:13 |
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| hemna | rushiagr, but if you actually use the token outside for curl calls, then truncating it makes it useless. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok, so, the main complain internally was with regards to the password being displayed and the fact that it can be put in a log file and reused. | 16:13 |
| navneet | just guessing security cocerns | 16:13 |
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| rushiagr | DuncanT-: oh, I see | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Why are you keeping client log files like that? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: winston-d_ If I scope it down to that are you ok and if the token comes back around again we areaddress. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Ok... I don't want to spend 20 minutes on this if we can avoid it :( | 16:14 |
| * hemna zips it. | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: I am not, but our consumers are worried about a security issue. | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Removing the password is ok I guess... | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I think there are valid justifications for leaving it as is | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | I thought someone just 'sees' it for confirmation or something. Anyways, lets move on | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | at least for this week | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and making debug output "easier" to read is nice | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | but... | 16:15 |
| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: +1 for masking passwd, please leave token alone. | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | dang, I I shouldn't have missed this | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ^^ You ok with that? | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | +2 for leaving token alone | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you could always add a debug level | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sorry... ok with what? | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | masking passwd but leaving token alone? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yes | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | ^^ for sure | 16:15 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | although I myself have needed that in debug output :( | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, I will redo the patch and scope it that way. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | ie my creds were jacked up and I didn't know it until I ran with debug... but whatevs | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | again, I think there are plenty of "real" fixes and additions that should take priority for the next push to pypi (tomorrow) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | this certainly isn't on my list right now | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | we'll push another releas I promise :) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: When will the next push be after that? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: when I feel like it ;) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: probably next milestone | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT- | Shall we say get fixes reviewed and in before midnight jgriffith's time or they miss the cut? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. Fair enough. | 16:17 |
| rushiagr | +1. I see a majority for non-removal of tokens, for now | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: that's what I'm sayin :) | 16:18 |
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| DuncanT- | Shout on the channel if you want something specific reviewed | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Ok... this see if we can move to the second of the 7 topics | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | if you do the math we're going to have a problem :) | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | #topic Inheritance model change | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | 18 minutes per topic * 7 = screwed | 16:18 |
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| navneet | Lol | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | So thanks for folks that started looking at these | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Get on with it then | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I've spun these around a number of times now based on input etc | 16:19 |
| hemna | jgriffith, so did you see my review comments last night | 16:19 |
| hemna | wrt the db object? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I did and responded in disagreeement | 16:19 |
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| hemna | ok | 16:19 |
| hemna | haven't seen it yet... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | hemna: including the grep that shows where it's used in other places :) | 16:19 |
| hemna | gah, ok. I blame chrome's search. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | arguing over where people want it to live aside | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | I'd really like to get this moving along if we could | 16:20 |
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| eharney | i've casually looked over the code a bit, it seems reasonable to me so far. Will take a closer look | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | it keeps falling out of date but most of all we need to make sure it gets good time in test | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: thanks! | 16:20 |
| thingee | jgriffith: perhaps it would help to set a goal of when we would like it in by. That would give enough time for it be tested in the gate, etc | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | iser and iet are the big sticking points | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I'll have to look at your concern about volume_group | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | should work since it passed the gate which uses "stack-volumes" instead of def "cinder-volumes" | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | but I may not follow exactly what you noticed | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: yeah | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Look at the sample conf change.... the option is no longer in the sample conf at all | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | good idea | 16:21 |
| hemna | any way we could pull the db object out of these classes? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I'd like it in last week please ;) | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: Why are you fighting this? | 16:22 |
| thingee | how about we aim for friday? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna: If there's a concern/issue I'm open | 16:22 |
| hemna | Just thinking how we can get it back into brick. | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I dont' think it belongs in brick at all | 16:22 |
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| hemna | the target classes would be a good fit IMO | 16:23 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: you mind setting that action? get this patch in by friday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105923/ | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | as I said yesterday... I can't see a case where another project in OpenStack is attaching Targets to Volumes | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | #action get this patch in by friday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105923 | 16:23 |
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| hemna | ok cool. I'll move on. Just wanted to float the idea. | 16:23 |
| thingee | next item? | 16:24 |
| DuncanT- | #topic CGs | 16:24 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: can we set a date for this one as well:)? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104732/ | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: we should have a cut off probably | 16:25 |
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| hemna | xyang1, so what's holding it up now? just need more reviews ? | 16:25 |
| xyang1 | I had some discussion with naveet on the CG patch. just want to bring it up here so that we are on the same page | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I'm a bit unconvinced of a few things | 16:25 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: go ahead | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | well... I fear we're going down the wrong path with some of these features | 16:26 |
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| navneet | xyang1: I saw the spec and so my comments are late for discussion | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | especially after asking for input from folks on the operators ML | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2014-July/004789.html | 16:27 |
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| navneet | xyang1: but would be good if some core guy looked at them as well | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | anyway.... | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Just needs reviewers | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | and testers more importantly | 16:27 |
| winston-d_ | the scheduler part of CG patch looks fine now after two iterations | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | I've been looking at it, it feels like an ugly change with a hard to use interface, but I also can't come up with any better suggestions :-( Has anybody else tried to develop a working driver for it? I don't know much about backend interfaces for this sort of thing | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I'll have to read the email thread. can you give a quick summary here? you are saying users don't want replication and cg? | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | I'm unconvinced that for CG or for Replciation that the whole API tarck and cross backend approach is worth while | 16:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we want to expose a new create call which creates all volumes in CG? | 16:29 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: +1...I feel same too | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: Bulk operations are hard | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: From a rollback PoV | 16:29 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: do you think cg implements that currently? | 16:29 |
| navneet | cross backend approach | 16:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It is hard to ensure that volumes creates in CG are on the back end tha tcan take CG snapshot. Thus offloading it to backend (driver) will be almost impossible) | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith, DuncanT-: so now you don't think any of these features should land at all | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT- | xyang1: I think it should land, personally, I can see the use | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: I'm asking if anybody has tried to write a driver for your design yet? | 16:31 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: I see blueprints on ceph and IBM driver already | 16:31 |
| navneet | xyang1: not us...but it should not be difficult as per driver api | 16:31 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I think it would be good for new features like this to have a supporting driver. much like what jgriffith was doing with the new connector work + LVM | 16:32 |
| hemna | Arkady_Kanevsky, the backends can do snapshots today, I'm not sure how CG complicates it that much, other that coordinating the snapshots for the backends in the CG. | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: we are also looking at it internally | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT- | xyang1: I'll look at those blueprints, thanks | 16:32 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: it'll expose issues in your design of actually trying to use it | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: I'm not saying don't merge, I'm saying 'get feedback from the people writing the drivers' | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | thingee: I have a lvm implementation. It is just that the quiesce call needs to wait | 16:32 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. I iwll comment in review | 16:32 |
| thingee | xyang1: got a link? | 16:33 |
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| xyang1 | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104732/ | 16:33 |
| thingee | thanks | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: I have a (hacky) dm module that I'm trying to code up the driver support for.... it is feeling clunky, but it might just be me | 16:33 |
| thingee | xyang1: oh I see. I missed that was in the initial patch | 16:34 |
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| thingee | so we have a couple of people unsure of the approach. | 16:34 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/consistency-groups, you can see the dependency blueprints for other drivers here | 16:34 |
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| thingee | xyang1: how do you feel about the approach with the feedback you have? | 16:35 |
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| xyang1 | thingee: which one? from naveet? | 16:35 |
| thingee | xyang1: jgriffith and DuncanT- | 16:35 |
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| thingee | I'm unsure of navneet | 16:35 |
| thingee | 's feedback | 16:35 |
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| navneet | thingee: on the review page if you want to have a look | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith, DuncanT-: I'm not sure what your feedback is. what is the alternative? | 16:36 |
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| DuncanT- | I'm only having issues at the detail level, not the whole approach, and it might be me.... short on time to spend on it, hense the lack of negative reviews | 16:36 |
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| navneet | DuncanT-: bigger question is if the community is ok wih the design and approach? | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | 23 minute warning | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT- | navneet: Are you ok with it? | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | thingee: jgriffit1 seems to have concerns not just for cg, bug also volume replication | 16:37 |
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| xyang1 | but | 16:37 |
| thingee | ok, lets move on, but it looks like the overall feedback from people paying attention the design doesn't seem positive. and jgriffit1 you mentioned the operators list being unsure of the usage of it. | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: There's no point being 'not ok' without details | 16:38 |
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| navneet | DuncanT-: not sure...it does not seem like a general approach | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | I'll read the operator's mailing list thread | 16:38 |
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| navneet | DuncanT-: details on the review page | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | thingee: the spec was thoroughly reviewed and approved | 16:38 |
| hemna | I'm reading through the thread now | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: I'll read your review | 16:38 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: from navneet's comments it doesn't appear so. Honestly I haven't really taken a look at it myself to really weigh in. | 16:38 |
| thingee | xyang1: lets take this offline after the replication walk through meeting | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | #action Duncan to read all the current feedback and summarise by tomorrow | 16:38 |
| thingee | I want to understand why people changed their mind from the approved spec. | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | thingee: ok, thanks | 16:39 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I think interested parties should all do that :) | 16:39 |
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| thingee | next topic? | 16:39 |
| navneet | thingee: yeah thats not good...sorry I did not read the spec | 16:39 |
| winston-d_ | xyang1's patch and approach looks OK to me. I've also read operator thread, couldn't come up with better idea so far. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT- | #topic Hitachi driver | 16:39 |
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| saguchi | hi | 16:39 |
| saguchi | I'm code submitter of hitachi driver | 16:40 |
| winston-d_ | saguchi: hi | 16:40 |
| hemna | howdy saguchi | 16:40 |
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| saguchi | Nice to meeting you. | 16:40 |
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| joa | hey | 16:40 |
| saguchi | I would like you to review my driver. I've updated it in accordance with hemna's comment. | 16:40 |
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| hemna | thanks for adding the test results. I haven't looked at them yet today | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | winston-d_: thanks for all your reviews! | 16:40 |
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| thingee | saguchi: thanks for the submission. we got about 8 drivers submitted that want the same thing. it looks like you're targeted for juno though | 16:41 |
| thingee | saguchi: was there anything else you wanted to mention? | 16:41 |
| saguchi | and want to know if there are any requirement or not. Will my driver be merged by just passing reiview. | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT- | I've just spotted a minor rootwrap filter issue | 16:41 |
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| hemna | thingee, the cert results were missing, and they are up on the review now. | 16:41 |
| DuncanT- | saguchi: Passing review merges it | 16:42 |
| DuncanT- | saguchi: Have you got a CI setup ready to go? | 16:42 |
| saguchi | DuncanT-: understood | 16:42 |
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| jgriffit1 | astrawman alternatives https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109774/ | 16:42 |
| saguchi | As for CI, I'm working on this with steven. | 16:42 |
| hemna | saguchi, awesome | 16:42 |
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| saguchi | I think you've talked with steven about Hitachi CI by email. | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT- | saguchi: Yes, I've got him on my list, thanks | 16:43 |
| saguchi | DuncanT-: Please put your review comment about rootwrap. And I wil update based on it. | 16:44 |
| hemna | jgriffit1, so that's solid fire to solid fire replication yes? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:44 |
| atan8 | Hi Duncan, on the call with Steve S. He's waiting for Service account approval | 16:44 |
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| thingee | ok, thanks saguchi and apologies on the review taking time. We're low on reviewers, and it's definitely appreciated if you help with reviews on other approved blue prints to help us get to drivers. next topic? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | sorry... I have interenet again, not sure how long it will last | 16:44 |
| DuncanT- | saguchi: Done | 16:44 |
| atan8 | Set up for CI is in progress. | 16:44 |
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| joa | CI nightmare :( | 16:44 |
| DuncanT- | #topic replication | 16:44 |
| hemna | saguchi, I'll look at your driver again today. | 16:44 |
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| ronenkat | Hi | 16:45 |
| thingee | we have a walk through today with ronenkat | 16:45 |
| ronenkat | Replication for driver owner at the top of the hour, everyone is invited.... details on the Cinder meeting page... | 16:45 |
| hemna | jgriffit1, so we could do basically the same thing with our drivers. we could do 3par -> 3par replication with just driver changes | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's sort of my point | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: yeah | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | (Thats all from my side) | 16:46 |
| hemna | do operators want to replicate from a solidfire to a 3par ? | 16:46 |
| hemna | or maybe lvm -> solidfire ? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: people would probably love it if it was "good" | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: they don't want it if it's crap (ie dd over wire) | 16:46 |
| hemna | yah | 16:46 |
| hemna | that's pretty much what I thought as well. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | I think that is a massive undertaking, and would need developing and testing out-of-tree for a good long time | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | But really that's a real "value add" from Cinder | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | wrapping vendor calls is... meh | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | I'd love to work on it. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | Not sure if my management would approve | 16:48 |
| thingee | I would think we would also want to see two supporting drivers, separate vendors really showing this working. | 16:48 |
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| hemna | yah I think it would be pretty amazing if it worked well | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | action... DuncanT- implements cross platform rep this week-end :) | 16:48 |
| joa | that's what I'd call speed :p | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | Looking at core value add ideas might be a good chat for the meetup? | 16:48 |
| thingee | jgriffith: not enough whiskey in the world to help DuncanT- with that. | 16:48 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | thingee: LOL | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:48 |
| thingee | thingee: +1 | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | Damn it, now I'm busy thinking about how it could work! You're all bad people! | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I just wanted to throw out that sometimes devs implement things that make no sense to end users | 16:49 |
| hemna | :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to be better about that | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | by users I mean OS Operators | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | So, what do we do about the existing replication patch? | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | we're lucky to have DuncanT- and thingee representing some of that community here | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I dunno... I'm not proposing anything necessarily | 16:50 |
| ronenkat | DuncanT-: reviews would be nice...:-) | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I just wanted to have everybody think about the long term implications | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | and what we're delivering vs what people need/want | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT- | ronenkat: I'm in the 'I don't underatnd this enough to review it' camp.... maybe your call will help | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | also I've said before complex features for the sake of complex vedors or exposing one feature in a specific vendors product don't seem worthwhile | 16:51 |
| navneet | thingee 's session about what is Cinder may again be required for new guys | 16:51 |
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| ronenkat | jgriffith: DRBD will help with cross vendor replication | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | anyway... I'm also a fan of start small and grow | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | #topic SecureNFS | 16:52 |
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| joa | jgriffith: I think no one with common sense would see the benefit for cinder of a vendor-specific feature. | 16:52 |
| thingee | bswartz: ^ | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: ummm... dunno about that | 16:52 |
| glenng | bswartz: Are you going to speak on this? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | joa: You'd be surprised ;) | 16:52 |
| bswartz | okay so I'm virtual glenng today | 16:52 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz???? | 16:52 |
| joa | jgriffith: maybe my definition of common-sense is a bit too narrow then :p | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | joa: LOL | 16:52 |
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| bswartz | as many of you know we're changing the NFS drivers to create files as 0660 instead of 0666 to reduce the security risk | 16:53 |
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| bswartz | however a number of users will have a broken configuration on upgrade if they don't make changes to their NFS environment | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that was my next question :) | 16:54 |
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| bswartz | so we're thinking that we will make the new driver config flag a REQUIRED option and forces users to select either the old or the new bahaviour | 16:54 |
| hemna | bswartz, well everyone reads documentation right ? | 16:54 |
| joa | *haem* | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that might be reasonable | 16:54 |
| bswartz | rather than simply defaulting to the old behaviour (which is less secure) or defaulting to the new behaviour (which will break people who don't read release notes) | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: What are you smoking? | 16:55 |
| eharney | that seems almost as broken to me, upgrade path is still not smooth enough to just work... | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: is there a way to determine "if existing use x; else use y" | 16:55 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, :P | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Please share | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | dynamic detection would be much better IMO | 16:55 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: I would love it if we could detect whether it's a new install vs and upgrade | 16:55 |
| glenng | jgriffith: Too many variables for automation. Plus, NFS Server side changes are required to be secure. | 16:55 |
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| bswartz | so far we haven't come up with a way that works more than 90% of the time | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: so what's Cinder actually managing here? Nothing? | 16:55 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, ask jgriffit1. CO is where it's legal :P | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Oh... 90% | 16:56 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: ls -l all the files, and if they are 600 use the new behaviour, otherwise spam the logs and fall back? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | That's better than I thought you were going to say :) | 16:56 |
| bswartz | the idea is that it's more user friendly to force a choice than to pick a bad default | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: any thoughts on an upgrade helper script? | 16:56 |
| eharney | i kinda like Duncan's idea there... | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: You had to go there, didn't you? :-) | 16:56 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 I'm with you on this one. | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: it's a descent first try IMO | 16:56 |
| DuncanT- | Make that the config option 'auto' and make that the default? | 16:56 |
| eharney | forcing a choice doesn't seem viable to me as it just breaks upgrades... i don't think we ever do that... | 16:57 |
| bswartz | DuncanT-: that will screw up in the 10% case | 16:57 |
| glenng | DuncanT: Think about multi Cinder nodes where some have volumes and some don't. Then you end up with mixed behavior. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | although I still wonder if we could provide a clever "upgrade" script | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: That sounds reasonable. | 16:57 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: what if the share has files not managed by cinder? | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT- | bswartz: What is the 10% case? | 16:57 |
| bswartz | the problem is that the things that need to be changed are outside the control of cinder | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | navneet: Cinder should know what it's managing shouldn't it? :) | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Then you'll get the old behaviour and screaming in the logs... that is better than breakage | 16:57 |
| bswartz | we're aware of a lot of scenarios where stuff only works because of the 0666 permissions | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | and thus the flaw in the entire design IMO | 16:57 |
| hemna | we should still default to the old behavior and config option to the new way. then folks can upgrade cinder and not be broken. when they read the release notes, they do what they need to and then bump the config option to use the new perms. | 16:57 |
| navneet | jgriffith: cant gurantee for all nfs vendors.. | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: You can set the config option to something other than auto and the screaming stops | 16:58 |
| bswartz | DuncanT-: that would be multibackend upgrade scenarios where some backends think they're new installs | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | navneet: got ya | 16:58 |
| thingee | 2 minute warning! | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | we could just drop NFS support if that's better? | 16:58 |
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| glenng | Now, now... | 16:58 |
| hemna | right after we drop FC support. | 16:58 |
| * bswartz glares at jgriffith | 16:58 | |
| DuncanT- | I'm just going to inject my point here: Please see and review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+comment:code_cleanup_batching+-status:merged,n,z - it is cleanup merge week! | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you can't reach me from there | 16:58 |
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| bswartz | so I'm hearing that adding a new required option with no default isn't an acceptable option? | 16:59 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: Having an 'auto' where you get the old, insecure behaviour (and log spamming) in 10% of cases is fine | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'm not sure | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: It's a better option than breaking everyone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but not as good as dynamic fix | 16:59 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: Anybody who really cares will see the logs and/or the docs and change the default | 17:00 |
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| bswartz | what about simply defaulting to the existing behavior? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | I don't think the question is whether to go that route or not, but if there's any possible way to do something better | 17:00 |
| hemna | bswartz, that's what I suggested earlier. | 17:00 |
| bswartz | that won't break anyone, but people who don't read the docs may have insecure systems | 17:00 |
| eharney | bswartz: probably a good first step, really. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: hemna the problem with that is we "never" fix the underlying issue that way | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | people use defaults, despite what we'd like to tell ourselves | 17:00 |
| navneet | hemna: for people who dont read docs we scream in logs | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | upgrade or new install | 17:00 |
| * joa nods, agreeing with jgriffith | 17:01 | |
| eharney | so you have it yell into the logs for Juno and then have it break stuff in K | 17:01 |
| DuncanT- | Auto guess that in a few cases goes with the old behaviour unnecessarily shoudl be fine... | 17:01 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: do you know a way to reliably determine a new install? | 17:01 |
| bswartz | that would solve all of this | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: wait.... isn't there info in Cinder DB regarding shares at all? | 17:01 |
| bswartz | you mean volumes? | 17:01 |
| hemna | well screaming in the log may help some folks | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: In other words... if DB empty, use new settings | 17:01 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: not permissions | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: else use old | 17:01 |
| hemna | and for people that don't read and don't look at the logs....do we even care? | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | navneet: no, not perms | 17:01 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: can drivers simply read the DB like that? | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | don't care aobut that | 17:01 |
| bswartz | It might require a cinder core change | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'd make it part of *somethign* else | 17:02 |
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| bswartz | so the manager would have to tell the driver "this is a new install" | 17:02 |
| DuncanT- | Time | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | back to the helper script idea | 17:02 |
| navneet | jgriffith: driver reading DB is not secure somebody told me...not rcommended | 17:02 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I'm saying set that higher up | 17:02 |
| hemna | why not just puke a message in the log and say the old way is deprecated. provide a config option to allow the user to force the new perms. | 17:02 |
| hemna | then in a release or 2, we remove the old deprecated way. | 17:03 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: you just kick the can | 17:03 |
| eharney | seems reasonable to me | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | hemna: you still break upgrades | 17:03 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: I'd like to hear more | 17:03 |
| hemna | and in between if we can find a mechanism for doing the auto discovery, done. | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | you just told them you're going to break them | 17:03 |
| bswartz | about your idea for "higher up" | 17:03 |
| arnaud | could you guys switch to #openstack-cinder? | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yeah... let's chat in #cinder | 17:03 |
| bswartz | if you have something in mind it might be perfect | 17:03 |
| hemna | better to tell them you are going to break them in the future, then breaking them now. | 17:03 |
| bswartz | arnaud: sorry for running over | 17:04 |
| hemna | dunno, just trying to find a reasonable compromise. | 17:04 |
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| DuncanT- | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 17:05:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-30-16.03.html | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-30-16.03.txt | 17:05 |
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| arnaud | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 17:05:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is arnaud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
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| vuil | o/ | 17:05 |
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| arnaud | o/ | 17:05 |
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| arnaud | tjones will be late | 17:06 |
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| arnaud | hi tjones | 17:06 |
| arnaud | right on time :) | 17:06 |
| tjones | lol | 17:06 |
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| tjones | you were patient with the cinder guys ;-) | 17:07 |
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| tjones | thanks for starting the meeting | 17:07 |
| arnaud | np | 17:07 |
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| arnaud | doesn't seem we have a lot of people around | 17:07 |
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| tjones | figured since the mid-cycle summit is on it would be a short meeting | 17:07 |
| tjones | who else is here ? | 17:07 |
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| tjones | just you and me? | 17:08 |
| arnaud | vuil was here | 17:08 |
| tjones | i see him next door | 17:08 |
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| vuil | I am | 17:08 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:09 |
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| tjones | if it's just the 3 of us lets skip the meeting ? | 17:09 |
| tjones | we've all got stuff to do | 17:09 |
| arnaud | yep | 17:09 |
| arnaud | agree | 17:09 |
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| tjones | ok done | 17:09 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-30-17.05.html | 17:10 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | woo | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 19:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse_ | howdy | 19:01 |
| chmouel | o/ | 19:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| dfg_ | hi | 19:01 |
| portante | ol/ | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| tdasilva_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | yo | 19:02 |
| notmyname | welcome. there's the agenda ^^ | 19:02 |
| notmyname | full hosue today (yay) | 19:02 |
| hurricanerix | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic housekeeping | 19:02 |
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| torgomatic | got all our aces here, plus a couple jokers | 19:02 |
| * portante now officially in the joker camp | 19:03 | |
| notmyname | jsut a few reminders of stuff and things | 19:03 |
| goodes | hello | 19:03 |
| notmyname | talk submission deadline for the paris summit has passed | 19:03 |
| notmyname | so if you were planning on submitting something to the conference section, I hope you got it in | 19:03 |
| notmyname | and you should go ahead and book travel and hotels | 19:03 |
| notmyname | the call for topics for the design sessions hasn't yet opened | 19:04 |
| notmyname | that should happen in the weeks ahead (I have no idea when, actually) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | those are for the dev-oriented design sessions, not the "give a formal talk" conference sessions | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | any questions on the summit? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:05 |
| notmyname | next week (next tuesday) at the TC meeting, I'll be going over the "Swift gap analysis" | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | the TC has formalized the requirements they have for new projects to be incubated or moved to integrated projects | 19:06 |
| portante | lots of sea-green blue text | 19:06 |
| portante | what does it mean? | 19:07 |
| notmyname | and so now they are going back to the existing projects and measuring them against the new rules | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_analysis | 19:07 |
| notmyname | portante: there. colors removed | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | heh, thought it was just me :) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | so this is mostly a formality, but they want to see where there are gaps, if any, and then have a plan to resolve them | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | so where are the gaps? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | I've given short answers on that etherpad | 19:08 |
| notmyname | well that's for the TC to decide :-) | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | Mr. PTL, we must not allow a mineshaft gap! | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | ahh | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | lots of dones... that looks good :) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | but I can guess at a few they may or may not hit | 19:08 |
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| portante | do you mean minecraft gap? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | first, we'll probably have to come up with a mission statement | 19:09 |
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| peluse_ | easy: make the world a better place | 19:09 |
| notmyname | second I don't know if they'll comment on us not doing the mid-cycle milestones | 19:09 |
| creiht_ | Mission: To be as different as possible from the rest of openstack >:) | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | creiht_: you're not helping ;-) | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | and now we're being logged to :) | 19:10 |
| peluse_ | too | 19:10 |
| portante | so they want to put the kibash on mid-cycle releases? | 19:10 |
| portante | oy | 19:10 |
| notmyname | portante: no | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | portante: well, I don't know | 19:10 |
| portante | good | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | To boldly store data where nobody has stored data before. | 19:10 |
| notmyname | portante: I wouldn't be surprised if it comes up. that's all I'm saying | 19:10 |
| portante | notmyname: okay | 19:10 |
| notmyname | so, overall, I think we're actually in really good shape | 19:11 |
| peluse_ | looks that way | 19:11 |
| notmyname | pretty much everything is "done" or "N/A" | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | is there anything we can help with re gap analysis? | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: look over the doc. see if there is anything you think is incorrect | 19:12 |
| peluse_ | no issues you think w/lack of oslo stuff? | 19:12 |
| chmouel | did we check with apple marketting for the name ? ;) | 19:12 |
| mattoliverau | Reading.. that I can do :) | 19:12 |
| creiht | I saw that evidently Marconi has to change it name | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: I don't know what will come up wrt oslo. I think we do use oslo where appropriate :-) | 19:12 |
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| peluse_ | I figured that would be your response :) | 19:13 |
| portante | oh and that is a more helpful comment that creiht's? | 19:13 |
| portante | ;) | 19:13 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | if we have to change names, we should call it Zoidberg | 19:13 |
| creiht | haha | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:13 |
| creiht | notmystorage | 19:13 |
| chmouel | +1 | 19:13 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: because why not? | 19:13 |
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| torgomatic | :) | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | I think the "oslo question" has always been one of "no copy/paste code externally managed added to swift" and it needs to provide benefit beyond what exists | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | any other questions around that? the TC meeting is a 1pm pacific next tuesday | 19:15 |
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| * portante is glad you are on top of that one | 19:15 | |
| mattoliverau | sounds early | 19:15 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ya, but it's normal TC meeting time | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok, other housekeeping then | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | looking at time between now and the integrated juno release, we should probably look at what's landed and cut a release in a few weeks. that will give us time to do another for the integrated juno release | 19:17 |
| notmyname | I'll be looking at what's landed in the next few weeks and we'll take it from there | 19:17 |
| notmyname | I don't have any questions. more of an FYI | 19:18 |
| notmyname | anything else before we move to ec status and patches? | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on | 19:19 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:19 |
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| peluse_ | couple of things.... | 19:20 |
| notmyname | peluse_ and I have talked about what's going in here | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | (1) EC end user docs up for review (2) EC spec up for review (3) tsg has EC policy patch up for review | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | currently working on updating the EC spec and trello to add some traceability/visibility to remaining items | 19:20 |
| notmyname | great | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | ..and small meet-up next week to review/update design (cover open questions) and wrap up any EC policy patch stuff | 19:20 |
| tsg | notmyname: 2 more patches in the series coming up | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | following that I'd look for another rev of the spec and maybe a few more patches | 19:20 |
| notmyname | tsg: nice | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: I thought the docs had landed | 19:21 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: yup, I just mewan they're still in need of eyes but yes they're on master | 19:21 |
| peluse_ | shit, I mean feature/ec | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ah, yes | 19:21 |
| notmyname | right :-) | 19:21 |
| peluse_ | I mean "shoot" | 19:21 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106103/ | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | peluse_: nice recovery in a logged channel :P | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:22 |
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| peluse_ | yeah, looked for numbered items in Trello that match up with sections in the design doc, coming soon.... | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | peluse_ and I are working on getting the spec and trello in-line with one another and actually with the things that are outstanding to do | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | but the general idea, as I'd like to see it, is to get the basic read/write path landed and then do the background daemons (similar to what happened with storage policies) | 19:23 |
| peluse_ | yup, tsg any quick status update on PyECLib? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | and tsg and kevin and others have been doing great work on pyeclib, but there's still a ton to do in swift itself | 19:24 |
| peluse_ | maybe 2 tons... | 19:24 |
| tsg | the big ton was PyECLib refactor into PyECLib + liberasurecode | 19:25 |
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| tsg | we have liberasurecode API stable now and 3 EC backends enabled | 19:25 |
| peluse_ | nice | 19:25 |
| tsg | the last remaining piece is making PyECLib use the new liberasurecode API | 19:25 |
| tsg | ETA this week on that | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tsg: great | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | I'm hoping that will allow some dev time to move from the ec library to swift itself :-) | 19:26 |
| tsg | notmyname: most of this work is being done on the "split-libec" branch of PyECLib | 19:26 |
| * tsg nods | 19:26 | |
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| tsg | notmyname: absolutely, we can focus most of the time next week on Swift EC datapath | 19:27 |
| notmyname | also, I'm hoping that as the outstanding tasks are clarified, more people can jump in and work on the implementation | 19:27 |
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| tsg | notmyname: Kevin and I will move the "done" cards out of the way on Trello so the outstanding tasks are clearer | 19:27 |
| notmyname | so expect to hear more from me bugging everyone about ec implementation work :-) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | tsg: thanks | 19:28 |
| peluse_ | sidenote: looks like voting just opened for Paris presentations | 19:28 |
| notmyname | peluse_: ah, thanks | 19:28 |
| notmyname | peluse_: can you #link it? | 19:28 |
| peluse_ | one sec, on my other systesm | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I got it | 19:28 |
| notmyname | #link http://www.openstack.org/vote-paris | 19:28 |
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| peluse_ | gracias | 19:29 |
| peluse_ | I mean "merci" :) | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | any other questions or things to bring up about EC? | 19:29 |
| notmyname | from anyone? | 19:29 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to patches | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | #topic patches | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: do you still have that shortlink for your dashboard additions? | 19:30 |
| creiht | hah the first one that comes up for me is http://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/api-battle-s3-vs-swift-vs-cdmi-can-t-we-speak-the-same-language | 19:30 |
| mattoliverau | I'll dig one up.. or make a new one :) | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks. actually, can you add it to the priority reviews page? | 19:31 |
| torgomatic | creiht: CDMI: http://xkcd.com/927/ | 19:31 |
| creiht | indeed | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | sure | 19:31 |
| peluse_ | heh | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | I looked through all the "Need Reverify" patches on the dashboard this morning | 19:32 |
| notmyname | there were only one or two that actually needed a reverufy | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | most have rebase issues | 19:32 |
| notmyname | so if one is yours, etiher kill it or rebase it | 19:32 |
| notmyname | please | 19:32 |
| notmyname | other than that, there hasn't been a lot of movement on the reviews :-( | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | so what are we going to do? | 19:34 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: i’m back from vacation, will have a look at the keystone stuff | 19:34 |
| notmyname | cschwede: awesome, thanks | 19:34 |
| notmyname | I've got 2 to look at (that I haven't yet). the migration middleware and the object sysmeta one | 19:35 |
| mattoliverau | #link http://bit.ly/UHcm1d | 19:35 |
| mattoliverau | Will add it to the wiki now | 19:35 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 19:35 |
| portante | notmyname: mea culpa | 19:36 |
| notmyname | the difference with mattoliverau's dashboard link is that it has a "possible abandoned changes" section | 19:36 |
| gvernik | related migration: I am working now on another patch, will contain swift-swift and file system - swift. S3 to swift will be different patch. Alistair provided some comments that i am going to implement in the next patch. | 19:36 |
| notmyname | gvernik: ah, great. thanks | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | I think it would be good for each of us to set aside some "review time" over the next week to get some reviews done | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | I don't want to move to a "review schedule" system yet :-) | 19:39 |
| notmyname | so, that being said...patches | 19:39 |
| notmyname | we went over the ones on the priority reviews page last week. anything to add there? anyone need some horsetrading for reviews? | 19:40 |
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| * torgomatic is just up to his neck in non-Swift code | 19:43 | |
| notmyname | ok. | 19:43 |
| * portante wiggles ear in agreement | 19:43 | |
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| notmyname | ya. it seems that a lot of us got pulled back into internal things after the storage policies push | 19:43 |
| notmyname | I'll block off some time to do some reviews. looks like I can do that on friday | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | try to do the same, and let's see where we are next week | 19:45 |
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| * portante on vacation EOD today thru August 6th, back on the 7th | 19:45 | |
| notmyname | portante: have a great tiem :-) | 19:45 |
| mattoliverau | portante: so you'll have plenty of time to review :P | 19:45 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:45 |
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| peluse_ | cschwede: I've been looking at the keystone stuff, could use a little help if you're around later... | 19:45 |
| portante | yes, and maybe ... ;) | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | anything else? | 19:46 |
| gvernik | notmyname: what about this Swift hackaton that you mentioned two weeks ago? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | gvernik: ah, yes | 19:47 |
| notmyname | gvernik: we're putting it together right now. it will be on the east coast (boston). red hat is sponsoring it (thanks!) | 19:47 |
| notmyname | and in a week or so we'll open up the registration | 19:47 |
| portante | we are hosting it at our Westford, MA engineering facility | 19:47 |
| peluse_ | sweet | 19:48 |
| elambert | do we have dates yet? | 19:48 |
| portante | 29th - 2nd sep -oct? | 19:48 |
| tdasilva_ | yep | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | 29 sept - 2 oct | 19:49 |
| tdasilva_ | sept 29th - oct 2nd | 19:49 |
| portante | which on is it? ;) | 19:49 |
| notmyname | portante: it's like your eyes and hands are running in different threads. with no lock | 19:49 |
| notmyname | gvernik: thanks for bringing it up | 19:50 |
| gvernik | may be i will come this time :) | 19:50 |
| * portante tried to make a joke and failed | 19:50 | |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 19:50 |
| mattoliverau | I have an etherpad open for an email template to send owners of patches whose changes are in danger of being abandoned. Thanks for those who have taken a look, and those who will now that I've mentioned it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/abandoner_email | 19:50 |
| * peluse_ was laughing on the inside | 19:50 | |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: +1 | 19:51 |
| mattoliverau | So if you can all take a look that would be helpful :) | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming, everyone | 19:52 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 19:52:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-30-19.01.html | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-30-19.01.txt | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-30-19.01.log.html | 19:52 |
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| mattoliverau | thanks again notmyname :) | 19:53 |
| tdasilva_ | mattoliverau: it looks good, nice job | 19:53 |
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| mattoliverau | tdasilva_: thanks :) | 19:54 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 20:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| mspreitz | here | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | */ | 20:01 |
| elynn_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:01 |
| tango | Hi | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:01 |
| skraynev | good evening :) | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | shardy is on PTO | 20:01 |
| zaneb | ryansb? | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: you about? | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | There weren't any \o/ | 20:02 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-07-30_2000_UTC.29 | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | anything to add to that? | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I'd like to talk functional tests | 20:03 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:03 |
| tspatzier | wow, pretty full agenda this week | 20:04 |
| zaneb | indeed | 20:04 |
| mspreitz | functional tests = system tests = integration tests ? | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz: sort of ;) | 20:04 |
| randallburt | present | 20:04 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: = Tempest scenario tests | 20:04 |
| zaneb | #topic Spec approval criteria | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | it has been brought to my attention that the spec approval criteria are too wooly ;) | 20:05 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: I do not understand why the answer is not "yes", but maybe it does not matter. We certainly need more better in tempest | 20:05 |
| zaneb | so, to be clear: I don't think we want the PTL to be the only approver | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | my goal as PTL is to *reduce* the number of places where the PTL is the single point of failure | 20:06 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: I think some threshold rule before any core could +A | 20:07 |
| tspatzier | ... would make sense | 20:07 |
| skraynev | zaneb: agree | 20:07 |
| zaneb | however, it makes people nervous when I just say "use your judgement on when something has had enough discussion to approve: | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: functional testing and integration testing are conceptually a bit different, but practically speaking with heat there is huge overlap | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | so the proposal from asalkeld is that it would be OK to approve after 3x +2 | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | obviously that wouldn't preclude using your judgement as well! | 20:08 |
| tspatzier | I think that makes sense for average specs. For something like convergence maybe a bit more? | 20:08 |
| zaneb | so you don't have to approve after 3x +2, but nobody will yell at you if you do | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | that sounds fine, I've also been assuming that there is no barrier to start working on something which has yet to be approved | 20:09 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: +1 | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | tspatzier: the problem with that is that people become nervous about whether they should approve at all | 20:09 |
| zaneb | for anything | 20:09 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: possibly it will be faster in some cases :) | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | Although I hear some crazy companies insist that no work happens without an approved spec ;) | 20:10 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: +1, although you have to accept the risk of your patch getting -2'd ;) | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: absolutely | 20:10 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: agree. and I actually think that _had_ enough discussion. so we kind of reached threshold there. I was more thinking if something like this would come again ... | 20:10 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: which is the Right Way IMO - the engineer working on it is best-placed to weigh the risk | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: o/ | 20:12 |
| tspatzier | talking about specs, could someone look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98742 and see if this is good to go? I am especially looking at stevebaker; SpamapS had some opinion as well some time back. | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | sorry lunch went long | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | sounds like there are no objections to this plan | 20:12 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: I think people can be relied upon to seek out wider consensus for bigger changes like that without encoding it in the rules | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | tspatzier: will do | 20:12 |
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| tspatzier | stevebaker: thanks - all your comments should be addressed; the last few cycles were typos only. ... and I started implementing it ;) | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: ok, sorry for being tardy getting back to it | 20:13 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: yes, agree. and I was not thinking of hard rules like fixed numbers. | 20:13 |
| skraynev | zaneb: should we vote now about solution 3x +2 ? | 20:14 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: np | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: can we discuss functional testing early in the agenda, I need to leave early | 20:14 |
| zaneb | skraynev: do we need a vote? | 20:14 |
| zaneb | nobody has spoken up with a -1 | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: lazy consensus! | 20:15 |
| skraynev | zaneb: ok, cool :) | 20:15 |
| zaneb | #agreed Specs can be approved after 3 +2 votes from core team members, though of course people should exercise their judgement on more major changes, just as they already do with regular reviews | 20:15 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah.. | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | #topic functional testing | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | So, it has been decided to move much project-specific functional testing out of tempest and back into the projects, because the process isn't scaling | 20:16 |
| zaneb | \o/ | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | And I've started moving the scenario tests (which use heatclient) into heat.tests.functional | 20:17 |
| mspreitz | Hooray! | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | tspatzier: FYI, my feeling on that spec has changed of late. I'll discuss w/ you in open discussion or after in #heat. | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | the heat-slow job will go away, and there will be a new heat-functional job | 20:17 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS: ok | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | I'm quite happy that we'll be more responsible for our own functional testing. | 20:17 |
| BillArnold_ | stevebaker can we start submitting patches for new tempest tests then? | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | the functional tests will have zero dependency on tempest, so there is a bit of forklifting required | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | I never really liked the fact that we couldn't land our own tests. | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | Seemed like an unnecessary hurdle. | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/functional-tests,n,z | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | there is a spec and some WIP code ^ | 20:18 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: I suppose, that other tests will be moved in heat.tests.unittests , right? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | in the medium term there will be a tempest-lib which will contain another heat client, and then the API tests will move into the heat tree too | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: meh, maybe | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | so what I actually wanted to discuss was... | 20:20 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: that last part seems unnecessary from our perspective | 20:20 |
| zaneb | (moving the API tests) | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: yeah, I'm not concerned about the timeline for that | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | so as I'm currently implementing the functional tests, the following is happening: | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | there will be a "functional" env defined in tox.ini which only runs the functional tests | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | there will be no configuration file to specify cloud-specific options (although it does use oslo.config) | 20:22 |
| therve | stevebaker, How "functional" will it be? devstack-ish? | 20:22 |
| zaneb | therve: it's using devstack AIUI | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | functional tests will run if credentials are sourced, even for unit tests. If no credentials are sourced, functional tests are skipped | 20:23 |
| therve | Oh, remote functional testing? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | therve: devstack will configure things for the functional tests to run. They will assume a full working cloud | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | if glance doesn't have the exact named image required for a test, the test will be skipped | 20:24 |
| therve | stevebaker, So devstack configures heat, but not the other services? | 20:24 |
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| mspreitz | We should probably agree on a few standard image names | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | so one thing I wanted discussion on is skipping vs failing when test preconditions are not met (credentials, images) | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: cirros and not-cirros ... done. ;) | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | BTW, is that image-existence-checking covered in general, or is it only looking at parameters named image? | 20:26 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: will it be voting job? | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | therve: no, devstack configures a full cloud, and the functional tests bring up all manner of full stacks | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: for heat, yes | 20:26 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: seems like the default should be to fail if missing whatever would be in the gate/check environment. | 20:26 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: TBH I'd prefer that we _not_ run functional tests when running the unit tests, and fail if the preconditions are not met | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz, SpamapS: image name could be something like heat-functional-test-image | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | and yea, tox -epy27 shouldn't run functional tests. | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | but 'tox' should | 20:27 |
| skraynev | SpamapS: +1 | 20:27 |
| zaneb | SpamapS++ | 20:27 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: +1 | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | In that case we should probably tag individual tests as functional so we can do the same tox filtering as tempest | 20:28 |
| mspreitz | Will one image suffice for all the functional tests? | 20:28 |
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| BillArnold_ | SpamapS +1 | 20:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: is there any value in keeping functional tests under heat.tests.* | 20:28 |
| zaneb | ? | 20:28 |
| zaneb | given that it's not actually using anything in heat, just heatclient | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: probably. It can have all the things installed on it with diskimage-builder | 20:29 |
| zaneb | why not make it a separate package? | 20:29 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: I was wondering the same thing. | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: heat.tests.functional seems to be an established convention in other projects already | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | but I have no strong feelings on that | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | It will be more cleanroom-ish if it is in its own repo | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: repo?! | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | no importing heat.common :) | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: yes | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | nooooooo | 20:30 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I would guess that they're doing something different with it | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | One could argue the best place for it is in heat-templates | 20:31 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: there are advantages to a two-step commit process, but IMO only for the API tests | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: I do think it is important to keep it in tree, if for no other reason than to make it visible to heat developers. I will be doing a lot of "-1, write functional tests for this" | 20:31 |
| mspreitz | Will we have to write both functional and unit tests for everything? | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: absolutely, yes | 20:32 |
| mspreitz | Will functional test be enough, no unit test required? | 20:32 |
| mspreitz | I guess not | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: I mean, it depends on the feature | 20:32 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: I do understand the suggestion, but I would vote for separate package in same repo | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | Yeah that's fine. I think it will make it easier to write tests, so +1 | 20:33 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: OMG. more and more tests... :) | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | Honestly we should sit down and review the tests we have, and see how many of them are actually functional. | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: a new resource needs full unit test coverage, and a functional test to prove it actually creates a real cloud resource | 20:33 |
| mspreitz | You know, scenario tests cover stuff outside Heat too | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | That's actually necessary as we move further into convergence, since some of the functional-ish unit tests will have to be exploded anyway. | 20:33 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: it will be look like 5 strings main changes and 100 for tests :) | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | Anyway, sounds like we all agree and can move on? | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | any non-trivial template brings up things outside heat, so they're sort-of integration tests | 20:34 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: if we're ready to move on, the next topic is peripherally related... | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | sure | 20:34 |
| zaneb | #topic Heat Gap Coverage plan | 20:35 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Heat_Gap_Coverage | 20:35 |
| zaneb | there is our plan ^ | 20:35 |
| zaneb | the TC are happy with it | 20:35 |
| zaneb | we need an owner and target for #3 | 20:35 |
| zaneb | if only there were a clear expert in this area... | 20:36 |
| randallburt | well that's not so bad. | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | \o, but it will need to be rewritten for the brave new functional test world | 20:36 |
| * zaneb strokes chin | 20:36 | |
| zaneb | stevebaker: cool, thank you, and feel free to rewrite | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | OK, will do | 20:36 |
| zaneb | we also need to target a milestone | 20:37 |
| zaneb | which is weird because this is a task that is never really "done" | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | cool | 20:37 |
| zaneb | I think the TC would like it to be juno-3 | 20:37 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: do you think that's realistic? | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to think we can continue writing tests during feature freeze | 20:37 |
| zaneb | (I don't) | 20:37 |
| ryansb | kinda hinges on wether tests count as a feature | 20:38 |
| skraynev | he-he. Now I know, that never = juno-3 | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | It would be nice to have *a* voting job which runs something by juno-3 | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: agreed | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | I don't know whether we could consider it "done" at that point though | 20:39 |
| therve | I wonder how much infra work we'll need. That may be the bottleneck | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | maybe an appropriate milestone is juno release | 20:39 |
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| zaneb | the TC review at every milestone anyway | 20:39 |
| zaneb | for progress | 20:39 |
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| ryansb | I don't feel like *a* voting job is too lofty a goal for j3 | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | ryansb: no, it shouldn't be ;) It will be interesting to see how quick we can add the tests which have been lingering in the tempest reviews | 20:40 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: ok, feel free to update the target as you see fit when you're rewriting it | 20:40 |
| zaneb | #topic Scaling group member health maintenance | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: this is you | 20:41 |
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| mspreitz | I'd like to get something done about this in Juno-3 | 20:41 |
| * zaneb still hasn't finished the ML thread on this :/ | 20:41 | |
| stevebaker | zaneb: OK. The TC will end up with something radically different to approve, but I'm sure they'll be fine with that | 20:41 |
| mspreitz | I want to avoid junking up the interface,... | 20:41 |
| mspreitz | follow AWS's lead, lean interface... | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: that's fine. it should take all of 3 minutes to re-review | 20:42 |
| mspreitz | you automatically get something simple if you say nothing. | 20:42 |
| therve | mspreitz, I looked at the spec, and it's nothing but simple :/ | 20:42 |
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| therve | Also, I'm not sure we should go in the direction of adding monitoring to Heat | 20:42 |
| mspreitz | therve: maybe language issue, not sure what you mean. I think the interface is simple. | 20:42 |
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| mspreitz | I am also concerned about the impl | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | -1 no monitoring in Heat | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | connect the API's | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | thats what we do | 20:43 |
| therve | We barely removed what we add | 20:43 |
| therve | added | 20:43 |
| mspreitz | Problems abound when I try to figure out how to outsource the monitoring | 20:43 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: I'm concerned that we're going to spend a lot of time on something that is only applicable to autoscaling, when the same effort put into convergence fixes the problem everywhere | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | If we need actual monitoring, we should be asking a monitoring as a service to do it | 20:43 |
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| therve | mspreitz, I feel that the spec tried to address too many concerns at once | 20:43 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: not sure about that size comparison. I already have something running. | 20:44 |
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| therve | Also, we tried to decouple autoscaling and load balancing, and you're putting it right back | 20:44 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110354/1/specs/scaling-group-health.rst | 20:44 |
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| mspreitz | therve: I think users want the option to have health determined by load balancer | 20:44 |
| mspreitz | therve: it's a better test than Nova existence and status | 20:45 |
| therve | mspreitz, Sure, that doesn't mean the autoscaling group should know about the load balancer | 20:45 |
| therve | It should be notified about the health of the members | 20:45 |
| mspreitz | So, no generalization of Ceilometer alarm actions in Juno-3 | 20:46 |
| mspreitz | No adding notifications to Load Balancer in Juno-3 | 20:46 |
| mspreitz | I already asked about those | 20:46 |
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| mspreitz | Adding notifications to load balancer is a maybe for Kilo | 20:46 |
| randallburt | wait, why is Heat monitoring your infrastructure at all (for any other reason than convergence)? Isn't that what you should set up via your template? | 20:47 |
| therve | mspreitz, What do you mean, you asked in neutron and ceilometer projects? | 20:47 |
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| mspreitz | I asked colleagues in those projects, yes | 20:47 |
| therve | Okay, but Heat shouldn't take the burden of refused/postponed features | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | Heat isn't monitoring anybody's infrastructure. | 20:47 |
| mspreitz | I like Convergence, but (a) it will be a while before it is ready, and (b) it does not attempt to cover the whole problem | 20:48 |
| tspatzier | randallburt: I think what mspreitz is proposing is that you get some reasonable behavior comparable to AWS also if you don't do rocket science in a template | 20:48 |
| mspreitz | Convergence is not automatic | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | Heat does, however, query the state of API's it has requested things from, for the purpose of either re-requesting them or satisfying dependencies. Where we got this notion that it will monitor things, I don't really know. | 20:48 |
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| mspreitz | Convergence does not pay attention to load balancer's opinion of health | 20:48 |
| mspreitz | Convergence does not take external advice on health | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: so write something that is automatic. Teach Heat to talk to it. | 20:48 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: That's what I thought. I mean, convergence will want to know when reality doesn't match the template, but as far as the "health" of the service/infra you used heat to spin, up, Heat shouldn't monitor that. | 20:49 |
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| SpamapS | randallburt: Heat cannot monitor that. Nor will it connect the dots from failure A to infrastucture piece B. | 20:49 |
| randallburt | but Heat doesn't care about the semantics of the things it deploys and shouldn't; that should be expressed in your template using existing services IMO. | 20:49 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: so if your external monitoring thing decides something is unhealthy, kill it and convergence will replace it | 20:49 |
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| randallburt | SpamapS: yeah, that's what I thought. | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | AutoScale is just a special case where we have simplified hooks for changing the scale of a group. | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: no, convergence is not automatic | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | convergence is not | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | period | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | scaling group are where the user is NOT in control of the template | 20:50 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: the idea of convergence is that it is automatic | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | but it will be, eventually, continuous, once we agree on how that should work. | 20:50 |
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| mspreitz | SpamapS: Convergence will eventually be *what* ? | 20:52 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: the point is that convergence, even when it is automatic, isn't going to try to provide ways that it can infer that if your response time is high that means your DB needs another slave or your app server farm needs another node. That is for the monitoring as a service bits to define. Heat just encapsulates the group. | 20:52 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: continuous.. meaning eventually it will respond to the nova notification that your node went down | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | that is the last in the string of 3 sub-specs | 20:53 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: in the interim while Convergence is not automatic, scaling a group does not replace a member that is deleted or sick, right? | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: right. | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | if you have an immediate need for bolting that on, I'd suggest doing so as a resource plugin | 20:54 |
| mspreitz | So a scaling group will accumulate junk (deleted or sick members) over time | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | or an external API | 20:54 |
| ryansb | that's the current state | 20:54 |
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| SpamapS | ((5 minutes)) | 20:55 |
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| skraynev | SpamapS: may continue in #heat ? | 20:55 |
| mspreitz | Let me ask a few ground rules... | 20:55 |
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| mspreitz | OK to add an index or table to the DB schema? | 20:55 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: let's take this back to #heat | 20:56 |
| mspreitz | OK to put implementation stuff in the template that implements a scaling group? | 20:56 |
| zaneb | we have another agenda item to deal with today | 20:56 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: OK | 20:56 |
| ryansb | ack | 20:56 |
| zaneb | #topic Using rally for Heat benchmark and quotas patches | 20:56 |
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| skraynev | ok | 20:56 |
| zaneb | boris-42: o/ | 20:56 |
| boris-42 | zaneb hi there | 20:56 |
| skraynev | 1. I told about short article: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1s93IBuyx24dM3SmPcboBp7N47RQedT8u4AJPgOHp9-A/edit#heading=h.jr3hotxxhpit | 20:56 |
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| skraynev | sorry, it's not published yet, so just google doc. | 20:57 |
| zaneb | ick | 20:57 |
| skraynev | it's example how to use rally for heat performance | 20:57 |
| skraynev | and second part about adding rally job for Jenkins reports | 20:58 |
| zaneb | 2 minutes | 20:58 |
| skraynev | ok | 20:58 |
| boris-42 | zaneb I'll be here=) | 20:58 |
| zaneb | skraynev: was this leading to a question? | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | We definitely need some benchmarks | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | metadata access was REALLY bad, it is just "kind of bad" now | 20:59 |
| zaneb | +1 for benchmarks | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | anyway, we're out of time | 20:59 |
| ryansb | to #heat! | 20:59 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: one question was about quotas patches. | 20:59 |
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| skraynev | got to #heat... | 21:00 |
| zaneb | skraynev: ok, let's discuss in #heat | 21:00 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 21:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-30-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-30-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-30-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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