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| HenryG | akamyshnikova, jlibosva, salv-orlando: hi | 12:59 |
| jlibosva | hello | 12:59 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 12:59 |
| akamyshnikova | hi! | 12:59 |
| jlibosva | akamyshnikova: welcome back :) | 12:59 |
| HenryG | Eager beavers today :) | 12:59 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 13:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | I have no specific agenda for today, so ... | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:00 |
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| salv-orlando | so akamyshnikova has this patch with a -2 for mark. | 13:01 |
| salv-orlando | I have briefly discussed the issue with him last week and we should converge for a consensus today. | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Thanks! | 13:01 |
| salv-orlando | I mean assuming that I find 30 minutes to talk with mark | 13:02 |
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| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, great to hear that! | 13:02 |
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| salv-orlando | then we have another bit coming up which is removal of conditional logic for all migrations from havana to icehouse for which akamyshnikova’s patch is a requirement | 13:02 |
| salv-orlando | then we’re done | 13:02 |
| salv-orlando | assuming this elephant patch is approved: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112732/ | 13:03 |
| salv-orlando | and no I’ve though about ways to split it but none made sense | 13:03 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Yes, I have been trying to review that, but I keep falling asleep :) | 13:03 |
| jlibosva | ah, so I'm not the only one. good | 13:03 |
| salv-orlando | and also it not super hard to review if you consider most of it is old migrations being removed | 13:03 |
| akamyshnikova | I'll take a look at it | 13:03 |
| salv-orlando | I suggest just to check that no migration past havana has been removed | 13:04 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: It's not hard, just boring | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | rest assured that writing that code was even more boring | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | I feel asleep several times while doing it | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | anyway then we don’t have anything major re: migrations, with the exception of a few bug fixes already under review | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | is that correct? | 13:05 |
| HenryG | Yes, essentially | 13:05 |
| akamyshnikova | I'll check this with my test with synchronization this may help | 13:06 |
| HenryG | There are a couple of things that make some impact though | 13:06 |
| HenryG | 1) clean autogenerate | 13:06 |
| HenryG | 2) migration unit tests | 13:06 |
| HenryG | So if we can get those in we will be in very good shape | 13:07 |
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| akamyshnikova | I've done update of my changes, so there is two changes for merging that testing is based on | 13:08 |
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| HenryG | Thanks akamyshnikova | 13:09 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: clean autogenearate has merged hasn’t it? | 13:09 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Not quite | 13:09 |
| jlibosva | this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108700/ ? | 13:09 |
| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/108700 | 13:10 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: there was a conflict in HEAD file | 13:10 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG:, jlibosva sorry I was confused with “removal of schema autogeneration" | 13:10 |
| HenryG | And the dependent patch | 13:10 |
| salv-orlando | which btw saw henry’s 9-month effort finally come to a conclusion | 13:10 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Yeah, that was a relief. (And that one has has surprisingly little backlash over the weekend) | 13:11 |
| HenryG | So FYI the schema is now always built from migrations only. | 13:12 |
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| HenryG | And so the 1) and 2) items above are quite urgent | 13:13 |
| HenryG | The patch series for 2) starts at https://review.openstack.org/109253 | 13:14 |
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| HenryG | One more quick thing while we have salv-orlando's attention ... | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | #1 is not a big deal. Should merge soon. We need to start reviewing #2 and I’ll try to get attention from one more core | 13:15 |
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| HenryG | thanks salv-orlando | 13:16 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: about https://review.openstack.org/108690 | 13:16 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: honestly I need to look back at my plugin’s code. But since it’s passing the tests I think it’s fine... | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | so I’ll go for the extreme approach | 13:18 |
| salv-orlando | I’ve approved the patch. So if now the NSX plugin breaks it’s up to me to fix it and you’re not held up anymore. | 13:18 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: very noble and brave of you. Thanks! | 13:19 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, thanks! | 13:19 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: as I’ve seen it has passed CI it’s mostly recognizing I was nagging about nothing. | 13:19 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Sure, and as akamyshnikova pointed out, if a PK record is ever null then you should have seen errors before anyway | 13:20 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: So hopefully the change is a no-op | 13:21 |
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| HenryG | I can't think of anything else for today. The floor is open. | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 13:24 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 13:25:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-18-13.00.html | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-18-13.00.txt | 13:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-18-13.00.log.html | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | thank you, bye :) | 13:25 |
| salv-orlando | bye! | 13:25 |
| akamyshnikova | bye! | 13:25 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | #startmeeting Storyboard | 15:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 15:10:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikitaKonovalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 15:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:10 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:10 |
| jeblair | o/ | 15:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #topic Search | 15:11 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck is out of this meeting, so I'll just say that the search related changes have landed | 15:11 |
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| jeblair | i left a -1 on the current search spec; i think there's still something that i'm missing | 15:12 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: can that be considered complete? | 15:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the UI has not updated for some reason | 15:12 |
| * NikitaKonovalov looking at jeblair's comments | 15:12 | |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: you skipped the first two items in the agenda | 15:13 |
| ttx | which may help in the "UI not updating" department | 15:13 |
| jeblair | basically, i'm not sure about the fact that we have 3 search endpoints, and we'll need to hit all 3 to do a simple search | 15:13 |
| jeblair | ttx: ah, ok, i'll bump those to the top of my list | 15:14 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: the reason to have different endpoint is first of all to have a clear routing | 15:15 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: because of the "REST" model, you mean? | 15:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the second reason is that the result respons contains objects of only one type | 15:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: yes | 15:16 |
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| jeblair | i'm not a rest expert, but i think that there must be a good solution to this. imagine if the system were more complicated and we had 50 object types -- we really wouldn't want to do 50 api calls to search them | 15:16 |
| ttx | :) | 15:17 |
| jeblair | i just think that most of the searches will be for comments, stories, and tasks, so most of the time we will end up doing 3 api calls for one search | 15:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | well, we may have one endpoint | 15:18 |
| ttx | that sounds like a valid concern | 15:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but still the number of the db_api call will stay the same | 15:19 |
| jeblair | from working on gertty, i've learned that in some situations, network lag is high enough that can be a real noticable effect (lifeless submitted a number of patches that reduce the number of api calls to improve the experience for his use) | 15:19 |
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| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: yeah, that makes sense. i'm mostly worried about adding network lag and making it difficult for api client users | 15:20 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | we need more opinions I guess | 15:20 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: do you think having those 3 endpoints, but then also having a general endpoint that can return any kind of result would work? | 15:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: I think we can add this endpoint as an experimental and see how it workd | 15:22 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | *works | 15:22 |
| jeblair | okay, thanks. that's all i wanted to bring up on the subject. | 15:22 |
| ttx | maybe come back to "Urgent Items" and "Discussion topics" ? | 15:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yes | 15:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #topic Urgent items | 15:23 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | StoryBoard WebClient no longer updating | 15:23 |
| ttx | So there seems to be two reviews up to fix this, jeblair said he would prioritize them up | 15:24 |
| ttx | Not sure there is much more to discuss on that | 15:24 |
| ttx | at least not at this point | 15:24 |
| NikitaKonovalov | looks like we need infra reviewers there | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i'll poke people today | 15:25 |
| jeblair | but i have a new urgent item | 15:25 |
| jeblair | 1 second | 15:26 |
| jeblair | http://paste.openstack.org/show/96507/ | 15:26 |
| jeblair | that's the traceback from when i tried to create a story yesterday | 15:26 |
| jeblair | i think there's a problem with rabbitmq? | 15:27 |
| ttx | Or a bug in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/storyboard/commit/?id=c8cbc9720d671e796f05f88b3e9900660da7b3ee | 15:28 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | are the notifications enabled right now? | 15:28 |
| ttx | default might be enable_notifications = True | 15:29 |
| ttx | err, no it's Flase | 15:29 |
| jeblair | enable_notifications = True | 15:29 |
| jeblair | on the server | 15:29 |
| ttx | do we even have rabbit on the server-side? /me is slightly out of touch | 15:30 |
| jeblair | i believe so | 15:30 |
| jeblair | closing AMQP connection <0.20405.0> (127.0.0.1:58084 -> 127.0.0.1:5672): | 15:31 |
| jeblair | {heartbeat_timeout,running} | 15:31 |
| jeblair | that shows up a few times in the rabbitmq log | 15:31 |
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| jeblair | closing AMQP connection <0.10791.0> (127.0.0.1:55191 -> 127.0.0.1:5672): | 15:31 |
| jeblair | connection_closed_abruptly | 15:31 |
| jeblair | also that | 15:31 |
| ttx | maybe the code is not very resilient to connection drops | 15:32 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure if those are normal or not. but on the python side, i wouldn't be surprised if we were trying to use a closed connection | 15:32 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah | 15:32 |
| ttx | jeblair: it's not as if we did not encounter this issue on other openstack projects | 15:32 |
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| jeblair | ttx: have they solved it yet? :) | 15:32 |
| ttx | Maybe we should have used oslo.messaging after all :P | 15:33 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so the workaroud is to switch notifications off untill there is a better workaround? | 15:33 |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: that sounds like a valid workaround yes | 15:33 |
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| ttx | But then it might make sense to check if it's a one-off | 15:34 |
| jeblair | yeah, sounds like we should do some local testing where we break connections, and let them time out, etc, to make sure the rabbit stuff is resilient | 15:34 |
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| jeblair | ttx: i can restart everything and see if that fixes it, and then see if we notice the problem again in a few days | 15:34 |
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| ttx | jeblair: your call | 15:34 |
| Ish__ | I ll look into this. I didn’t face such issues. | 15:35 |
| ttx | i'm fine with either... didn't even know notifications were running :) | 15:35 |
| jeblair | i'll do that. i don't want to keep doing it if it's really broken, but i'm fine doing it once or twice to collect more info | 15:35 |
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| ttx | ok, so we restart and see, and in the meantime Ish__ looks up the code to see if there could be failure conditions in that area | 15:36 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok, so any other urgent items? | 15:36 |
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| jeblair | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/202 | 15:37 |
| jeblair | i restarted rabbitmq and apache, and then was able to file that ^ | 15:37 |
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| jeblair | no idea why i left the paste link; /me updates with actual traceback | 15:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so the obvious change to be done here is to handle rabbit disconnects | 15:39 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Ish__: will you take that? | 15:39 |
| Ish__ | yes. | 15:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 15:39 |
| Ish__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113016/ also needs to be reviewed. | 15:40 |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: next topic? | 15:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #topic MVP 1.1: LP data import | 15:42 |
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| ttx | there was a related question in "discussion topics" on the agenda | 15:42 |
| ttx | "What do we do when a launchpad project has successfully migrated, but someone submits a ticket in launchpad? " | 15:42 |
| ttx | I think we would close the Launchpad project | 15:42 |
| ttx | once migration is completed | 15:42 |
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| ttx | or at least disable the bug side | 15:43 |
| jeblair | ttx: ++ | 15:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: looks like an easy solution, +1 | 15:43 |
| ttx | jeblair: we also move closed items, right | 15:43 |
| jeblair | that suggests that someday we'll probably want to be able to disable a project in storyboard too, but not for a while i hope :) | 15:44 |
| ttx | note that the current migration would lose info if applied to a more... traditional project | 15:44 |
| ttx | but it should work fine for at least infra, QA, oslo... | 15:44 |
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| ttx | which do not rely on "milestones" that much | 15:44 |
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| ttx | otherwise the review from mordred is just waiting for Nikita to revise his -1 | 15:45 |
| ttx | and then we can Workflow+1 | 15:45 |
| ttx | tat's all I had on that topic | 15:45 |
| ttx | review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113624/ | 15:46 |
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| ttx | ok will +1 | 15:47 |
| reed | one step closer :) | 15:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #topic MVP 1.1:Subscriptions | 15:47 |
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| ttx | reed: one step beyond! | 15:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | any news, except the rabbit problem? | 15:48 |
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| Ish__ | NikitaKonovalov: I have heartbeats disabled in my rabbitmq configuration file. | 15:49 |
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| Ish__ | I think this has to be done in the server aswell so that we will not face that issue again. | 15:50 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok, I have seen the WIP change from krotscheck for subscriptions UI | 15:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so we are waiting for him to complete it | 15:52 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | #topic MVP 1.1:Tags | 15:53 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I've got 2 changes for the db_api and rest controller | 15:54 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113889/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114217/ | 15:54 |
| NikitaKonovalov | So reviewers are welcome | 15:55 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | and the last MVP topic | 15:56 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #topic MVP 1.1:Emails | 15:56 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Do we need a spec for it? | 15:57 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ttx, jeblair ^^ | 15:58 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: I think so. I have no idea what is behind this | 15:58 |
| jeblair | i think it might be a good idea | 15:58 |
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| ttx | so i don't feel like I'm the right person to spec it | 15:58 |
| jeblair | i think we'll want to hash out when to send emails and what to include, and a spec is probably a good place for that | 15:58 |
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| ttx | I would be fine with the system not supporting email, but tha's just me | 15:59 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 15:59 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so we are out of time anyway | 15:59 |
| NikitaKonovalov | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| jeblair | well, this was a useful and not-short meeting after all :) thanks NikitaKonovalov | 16:00 |
| ttx | thanks NikitaKonovalov ! | 16:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 16:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-18-15.10.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-18-15.10.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-18-15.10.log.html | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| dzimine | yahoo! | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hey :) | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi ! | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | as usually, let's wait one more minute | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | in the meantime I'll remind the agenda | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | 1. Review action items | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | 3. Further plans | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | 4. Release 0.1 scope (BPs and bugs) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | 5. Open discussion | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | Hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi ) | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | we didn't have any action items last time | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:02 |
| dzimine | last time was fast and easy :) | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:03 | |
| rakhmerov | yeah ) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | it was my favourite meeting ever ) | 16:03 |
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| akuznetsova | last week I worked on mistral-workflow-execution-tests blueprint | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: 1) finished several important things including reverse workflow, data flow integration, linear workflow and a bunch of fixes in specifications and DB models, now I am working on putting all things together: end-to-end testing of more complex workflow with cross-workflow calls | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, ok, cool | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | one more important thing we did: we played 'planning poker' with Nikolay and estimated the time scope for all the BPs now scheduled for 0.1 released | 16:06 |
| dzimine | #info: dzimine - we reviewed and agreed on 0.1 scope. Other - reviews. No code contrib on my side. This week - looking into DSL and design for handling multiple data values. Got an idea, target to share it by tonight. | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, very cool | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | I worked on openstack-actions blueprint, also did some integration tests | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | yep, cool | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | ooh, yes | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | we planned all blueprints with Renat | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, were you able to fix your integration tests today? | 16:07 |
| dzimine | NikolayM: the openstack tasks are cool indeed. | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | I didn't have time to look at them in the evening | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | yes, great work, Nikolay! | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | yes, I've already fixed it | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Further Plans | 16:08 |
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| dzimine | I meant to ask: how do you generate the .json of the actions? | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | I guess we've mostly already told about our further plans | 16:08 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, I looked through our workflows in resources folder and covered the most appropriate, so we need to discuss which scenarios should be covered more | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, ok, let's skype tomorrow and talk about it | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ok | 16:09 |
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| dzimine | @rakhmerov: I think we need a second workflow handler to see two at play. It doesn’t have to be a big and real, a fake handler which knows to only handle one task might do. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, skype on Tue with Nastya about integration testing scenarious | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, fake handler is a cool idea actually | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | although I already implemented both linear and reverse | 16:11 |
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| dzimine | oh you implemented linear, sorry I am behind on reviews. | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I committed linear today | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | :)) np | 16:11 |
| dzimine | linear, or direct? | 16:11 |
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| dzimine | I’ll take a look never mind. | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | I called it linear for now even though I don't fully like this name | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | because strictly speaking it's not linear, it can also be parallel if needed | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | but just didn't come up with a better term so far | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | we can change it any time | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | so I'm open to any suggestions | 16:12 |
| dzimine | “direct” | 16:12 |
| dzimine | the proper name is “arbitrary directed graph” | 16:13 |
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| dzimine | and we save “linear” for “sequentual linear”, and can also implement “strictly parallel". | 16:13 |
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| dzimine | or cross out “linear” all together: at the end we have “reverse”, “sequential”, “direct”, and “parallel". | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | the only thing I haven't fully implemented so far is stopping and resuming, it's not too important right now, deferred it for a little bit | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, may be | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | for some reason I don't really like "direct" too | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | even though it's more consistent I think with "reverse", right? | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | not sure I understand | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | what's the diff between "sequential", "direct" and "parallel"? | 16:15 |
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| akuznetsova | Am I right, that reverse workflow can be “sequential” and "parallel" ? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | I think we don't need to implement truly linear workflow, it's just a subset of what might be called "parallel" | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, mmmm... not really | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | reverse workflow (as we call it now) is a workflow based on task dependencies only | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | pretty much like make files look like, or ant (if you're familiar with Java) | 16:17 |
| akuznetsova | so, what is "direct/linear" workflow? | 16:17 |
| dzimine | different types of workflows make different trade-offs. They may have similar properties, but they may be expresssed differently | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | "direct/linear" is when taskA completes and after that we decide what next tasks should run based on certain conditions | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, true | 16:19 |
| dzimine | direct workflow is when user explicitly defines the sequence, starting from the first task, and on, with keywords like “on-success”, on-failure, on-completion. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:19 |
| dzimine | direct workflow IMPLIES that many tasks can be executed in parallel, if dependencies are resolved. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:20 |
| dzimine | It’s powerful and convinient but may turn out pretty complex once many forks happen. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | so your suggestion would be to rename what I named "linear" to "direct", right? | 16:20 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, rakhmerov thanks | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, trade-offs | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I think I see now what you mean | 16:21 |
| dzimine | ‘sequential’ workflow - IMO we’ll need it to offer simple straightforward syntax - it’s the flow which executes tasks in strict sequence, one at a time. Pros: siimpler syntax, transparency - look at file, tasks executed in the order of appearance in the file. For 80% of automation tasks it will be enough :) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | so you mean that in some scenarios we may want to switch off 'parallelism' at all to gain some performance improvement | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | I see now | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | then I think we need to rename "linear" to "direct" now | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | and then decide what other explicit workflow types we need | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, rename the current "linear" workflow type to "direct" and discuss with the team what other workflow types may be needed | 16:24 |
| dzimine | It will be a killer when it comes to calling workflows from workflows. | 16:25 |
| dzimine | And once we are talking “renames”, I please ask you all to consider renaming “finish”->”complete” across the whole project. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | "finish"->"complete"? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | you mean "on-finish"? | 16:26 |
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| akuznetsova | what is the point ? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | just better english, in fact | 16:27 |
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| dzimine | http://www.jumbojoke.com/whats_the_difference_between_complete_and_finished.html | 16:27 |
| dzimine | "Some say there is no difference between complete and finished. Please explain the difference between complete and finished in a way that is easy to understand." | 16:28 |
| dzimine | His astute answer: "When you marry the right woman, you are complete. But, when you marry the wrong woman, you are finished. If the right one catches you with the wrong one, you are completely finished." | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah-yeah, that's really cool :)) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | I don't Mistral to be finished :)) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | haha | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I want it to be complete ) | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | :) ))) | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | indeed | 16:29 |
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| dzimine | complete is 1) more common in similar cases and 2) it’s both adj and verb, thus we can have STATUS=COMPLETE (not FINISed), on-complete (not on-finished) 3) finish is a noun and verb, and we never use “noun” form of it. | 16:30 |
| dzimine | Anyways, I am just picky :) | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, nmakhotkin: when doing renamings make sure to rename "finish" to "complete (http://www.jumbojoke.com/whats_the_difference_between_complete_and_finished.html) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | that's fine | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | I insist that you continue to be picky :) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Release 0.1 scope (BPs and bugs) | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | even though we pretty much agreed on the scope I decided to include it into today's agenda to have a chance to make some corrections if we need to | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | this is the link: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/0.1 | 16:33 |
| dzimine | ok, let’s glance over and see. | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | so I suggest that we look at it now one more time | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:34 |
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| dzimine | LGTM | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | as I said before we estimated these BPs with Nikolay and here is the more detailed estimation with task breakdown: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1jw-yqGSuBsWz23ZInWLMQBbBH4IA9UXjPPt5qlkkobo/edit#heading=h.ni0jo8o0h1ae | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, ok | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | as you suggested I removed "join" from 0.1 | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | the main goal is to finish all the main capabilities and polish the new architecture | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | one specific question that I have is "we definitely won't be able to include all desired V2 capabilities into 0.1 release. So what do we do next? Just announce it's only a part of v2 or say 0.2 release will include API v3?" | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | the last option is kind of scary to me ) | 16:38 |
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| dzimine | the delayed-messagin is the only thing I don’t agree on high prio. | 16:39 |
| dzimine | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-delayed-messaging | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I think the most reasonable way is to design it so that all additions would for a superset of what we'll deliver in 0.1 | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | May be you can see it better from the new implementation’s standpoint. | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, Nikolay already started wokring on it | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | it shouldn't be too hard even though oslo.messaging is not the best friend in this :) | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, maybe you're right | 16:41 |
| dzimine | Just announce it's only a part of v2 to me sounds better than 0.2 will have v3 API | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just thinking about how we're going to announce 0.1 release | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | yes, absolutely | 16:41 |
| dzimine | The question is do we reach functional parity with the 0.0.2 | 16:42 |
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| dzimine | with the current. If we do, we are good. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | right, the most important thing is that following changes should be backwards compatible | 16:42 |
| dzimine | if we don’t, admit it and say 0.2 will be the point. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so what do you mean by "parity" precisely? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | you mean all those capabilities or backwards compatible API? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | if API then no, it's impossible | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | as far as capabilities, the only thing I see now is triggers: we didn't really schedule them for 0.1. All the rest should be implemented | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | and we're going to deliver even more actually in 0.1 (e.g. workflows from workflows, multiple workflows, policies etc.) | 16:45 |
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| dzimine | I mean functional parity, which is everything you can do with 0.02 you can also do with 0.1 | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I think it will be done | 16:47 |
| dzimine | So that there is nothing you can not do with 0.1 which is possible in the previous version. | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | yes, except triggers | 16:47 |
| dzimine | At this point we can depricate the previous functionality. | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | I'd love to do that | 16:47 |
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| dzimine | Triggers don’t bother me - not currently used much. | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | correct | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | btw, there will be some interesting changes in them too | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | but that's for later, maybe for 0.2 | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | we at Mirantis find them pretty interesting long-term feature rather | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | so, it's decided | 16:49 |
| dzimine | folks do we already have a blueprint for multiple task invocations? | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | you mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dataflow-collections? | 16:51 |
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| dzimine | yes thank you. | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | we don't have it scheduled for 0.1 | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | is it fine? I excluded it from 0.1 because we didn't really see how it should be design from DSL perspective | 16:52 |
| dzimine | no. Just it’s my delivery to have a DSL idea for this. | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | so it seemed to risky within this time frame | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I think it's ok, because design of this feature may affect everything else | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | that's why I think we need to come up with ideas asap | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | if we feel comfortable at the and of this cycle we may want to try implementing it, but not really sure | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | only if folks from Stackstorm help us :) | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, anything else? | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | good discussion today | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | 4 mins left | 16:55 |
| akuznetsova | not from my side | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | I'm personally out of ammo and ready to shut down the meeting | 16:56 |
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| NikolayM | bye! | 16:56 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, thanks! Thanks Dmitri! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 16:57:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-18-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-18-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-18-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| sarob_ | And here we go! | 16:59 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-guides | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 16:59:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| sarob_ | Roll call | 17:00 |
| dbite | hello | 17:00 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:00 |
| sayali | Hello | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:00 |
| sarob_ | Evening and morning | 17:00 |
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| dbite | morning, evening | 17:00 |
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| sarob_ | #topic training docs update | 17:01 |
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| dbite | hosted a hangout with Comcast team on Friday 15th Aug | 17:01 |
| dbite | also, Icehouse stable seems pretty close, docs will be ready for Icehouse release by end of August | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | Sweet | 17:02 |
| annegentle | sweet dbite niceone | 17:02 |
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| dbite | thanks, I got lot of help from the community :) | 17:02 |
| dbite | not much to discuss for the docs section this time, any questions or ideas? | 17:03 |
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| annegentle | nothing here | 17:03 |
| sarob_ | So the two etherpads you were using for planning | 17:04 |
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| sarob_ | Are all complete? Or mostly ? | 17:04 |
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| dbite | the first one was for basic-install-guides (for Icehouse release) | 17:04 |
| dbite | its under transition, should be completed soon | 17:05 |
| dbite | I have to push the patch | 17:05 |
| dbite | the other one is for Juno, which is in sync with install-guides | 17:05 |
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| dbite | there is time for this one | 17:05 |
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| sarob_ | Okay which one? | 17:06 |
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| annegentle | time for Juno I'd guess :) | 17:06 |
| dbite | yes Juno | 17:06 |
| dbite | the Icehouse etherpad should be completed soon | 17:06 |
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| annegentle | sorry to meet-n-dash but I have to drive for a bit -- ping me if you need anything | 17:07 |
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| sarob_ | Okay sounds good | 17:07 |
| dbite | annegentle: sure | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Annegentle okay | 17:07 |
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| sarob_ | Moving on | 17:08 |
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| sarob_ | #topic infrastructure | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | script development chugging along; controller and compute node should be done; network node is not quite finished yet | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | Rluethi: good progress | 17:09 |
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| dbite | rluethi: nice job ;) | 17:10 |
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| sarob_ | Rluethi: I have some renewed interest from hp | 17:10 |
| rluethi | sarob: ? | 17:10 |
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| dbite | ? | 17:10 |
| sarob_ | In getting involved through rick Evans | 17:11 |
| sarob_ | Rick is helping with the sfbay user group | 17:11 |
| sarob_ | As a trainer | 17:11 |
| rluethi | sarob: involved doing what? training? scripts? | 17:11 |
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| sarob_ | Training using theatricals | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Serf | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Crap | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Spell chk he'll | 17:12 |
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| sarob_ | Training using the materials | 17:12 |
| rluethi | how to install openstack, a story in expressive dance. | 17:13 |
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| sarob_ | Indeed | 17:13 |
| sarob_ | Openstack the play on broadway is next | 17:13 |
| rluethi | I hope we'll have something useful next week. | 17:13 |
| rluethi | alpha quality, but useable. what do you say, dbite? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | expressive dance.. well that one novel way to engage new community members :) | 17:14 |
| dbite | alpha would be good description | 17:14 |
| sarob_ | Rick will have more ammo to get other hp trainers involved with our dance | 17:14 |
| dbite | we need a week atleast to get it to beta quality | 17:14 |
| dbite | and some more testing to finalize it | 17:14 |
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| sarob_ | Rick will test as well | 17:15 |
| rluethi | I just hope that networking and virtualization on virtualbox are holding up. | 17:15 |
| matjazp | rluethi: just ping when we can all start testing again | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | I'll be on the road so not a lot from me | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: will do, thanks! | 17:15 |
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| sarob_ | Rluethi really appreciate you getting this done | 17:16 |
| matjazp | rluethi: It's bash scripts first, Vagrant later, right? | 17:16 |
| sarob_ | Rluethi very big deal | 17:16 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I try to keep Vagrant working, I think it still does, but some features will be missing (snapshotting). | 17:16 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: but I test regularly on Windows, so that should still work. | 17:17 |
| matjazp | rluethi: np, maybe just update readme with this info | 17:17 |
| sarob_ | Coolness | 17:17 |
| sarob_ | Time to move on? | 17:18 |
| * rluethi nods | 17:18 | |
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| sarob_ | #topic testing | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | I'm working on quizzes for associate guide | 17:19 |
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| sarob_ | Matjazp: nice | 17:19 |
| matjazp | now that sarob has pushed reed's patch I can also start to work on slides | 17:20 |
| matjazp | just write them in RST, and well see the epicslide/landslide isssue later, rihght? | 17:20 |
| dbite | sarob_: I got landslide's html ppts. converted to pdf using python's library | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: really? | 17:21 |
| dbite | yes | 17:21 |
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| dbite | using pdfkit | 17:21 |
| dbite | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pdfkit | 17:21 |
| matjazp | dbite: cool... no PrinceXML right? | 17:21 |
| sayali | impress.js didn't work out too well | 17:21 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: goodness | 17:21 |
| dbite | simple python program, converts the html to pdf | 17:21 |
| dbite | so we could write a simple python script which does the conversion | 17:22 |
| dbite | automatically | 17:22 |
| * sarob_ sarob like simple | 17:22 | |
| dbite | so we can proceed with reed's style | 17:22 |
| * dbite agrees | 17:22 | |
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| matjazp | cool... | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: so let's merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ | 17:22 |
| dbite | yes | 17:22 |
| rluethi | there's the dependency on wkhtmltopdf, but it's available for many platforms. | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: your +2 is needed | 17:22 |
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| dbite | yes | 17:23 |
| matjazp | dbite: I think you must remove -2 on that review? | 17:23 |
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| dbite | +2 it is | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | #info pypi pdfkit is the solution to our rst to | 17:24 |
| matjazp | also... maybe we should all confirm bugs? we have 19 new bugs | 17:24 |
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| sarob_ | We hijacked your part of the meet | 17:24 |
| dbite | yes | 17:24 |
| matjazp | np... I'm more than interested in the slide issues ... | 17:25 |
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| sarob_ | Matjazp: can you get done with the assoc quiz updated this month? | 17:26 |
| matjazp | sarob_: yes, thats the plan | 17:26 |
| matjazp | sarob_: at least 5 quizz questions for all chapters | 17:26 |
| matjazp | sarob_: later we can add/refine | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | #action matjazp update associate quizzes with 5 questions for each chapter | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp sounds awesome | 17:27 |
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| sarob_ | #topic upstream training | 17:28 |
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| sarob_ | So we are good on merging the current patch | 17:28 |
| dbite | yes | 17:28 |
| sarob_ | So we are good with the structure for now | 17:28 |
| matjazp | yes, lets start the ball rolling :) | 17:28 |
| dbite | I will work on the python scripts for building the pdf files | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | sarob_: we can start with one file for each chapter of each guide? Like Upstream's material | 17:29 |
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| sarob_ | Matjazp: sounds good. I'm not | 17:29 |
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| sarob_ | Matjazp: familiar with pdfkit yet so let's start there | 17:30 |
| rluethi | someone should try pdfkit on mac. just to make sure the dependencies are easy enough to get. | 17:31 |
| matjazp | sarob_: well this is more like infra issue, it can be done in parallel to the content | 17:31 |
| dbite | sarob_ I will push initial patch soon using pdfkit | 17:31 |
| dbite | rluethi: we dont need pdfkit on mac | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: sounds good | 17:31 |
| dbite | our main aim is to provide automatic way to convert pdf | 17:31 |
| rluethi | mac was the problem with epicslide. | 17:31 |
| dbite | so that it is provided via. the website | 17:31 |
| matjazp | dbite: exactly... wee just need PDFs on OpenStacks's site | 17:32 |
| dbite | docs.openstack.org or the web portal for upstream project | 17:32 |
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| dbite | rest, the html files are also provided on the website | 17:32 |
| dbite | matjazp: I agree | 17:32 |
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| sarob_ | Moving on then | 17:33 |
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| sarob_ | #Topic any other business | 17:33 |
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| dbite | im good | 17:34 |
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| sarob_ | Excellent progress team | 17:34 |
| dbite | sarob_: thanks :) | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp rluethi any thing else? | 17:35 |
| matjazp | not from me | 17:36 |
| rluethi | I'm good, too. | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | Any one else that hasn't spoken up? | 17:36 |
| MeganR | I'm good :) | 17:36 |
| sayali | Nope all good | 17:36 |
| sayali | :) | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | Good work everyone | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | I'm calling this a wrap. | 17:37 |
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| sarob_ | A great day / evening! | 17:38 |
| rluethi | bye everyone. | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | To all | 17:38 |
| matjazp | bye all | 17:38 |
| sayali | Bye | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 17:38:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-18-16.59.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-18-16.59.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-18-16.59.log.html | 17:38 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 18:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| anteaya | hello and welcome | 18:00 |
| lyxus | Hello ! | 18:00 |
| sweston | Hello ! | 18:00 |
| anteaya | do show yourselves if you are here | 18:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 18:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 18:01 |
| nuritv_ | Hi | 18:01 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 18:01 |
| omrim | Hello | 18:01 |
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| ignacio-scopetta | o/ | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | great thank you | 18:01 |
| anteaya | off we go | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
| anteaya | today's agenda | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
| emagana | hello! | 18:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 18:02 |
| dane_leblanc | O/ | 18:02 |
| anteaya | for those of you for whom this might be your first meeting, being aware of the OpenStack mission is helpful | 18:02 |
| vjay3 | hello | 18:02 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 18:02 |
| anteaya | and welcome | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | next topic | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-11-18.00.html | 18:03 |
| * krtaylor is thankful for anteaya running the meeting this week | 18:03 | |
| anteaya | there were two items from last week's meeting | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:03 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 18:03 |
| anteaya | :D thanks to you krtaylor for doing such a great job chairing the last month or so of meetings | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | it makes is so much easier to have someone to share with, you do a great job | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | nice to see huge crowd today! | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #info third-party review and sync in infra on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:04 |
| * krtaylor blushes | 18:04 | |
| daya_k | hello | 18:04 |
| anteaya | so we are working on getting the ci modules to a more consumable state | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | I created an action for all to review puppet module split | 18:05 |
| anteaya | to that end we are going to identify patches to review to help that effort | 18:05 |
| anteaya | this is one | 18:05 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | yep, yet to review that one myself | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | and the latest patchset looks like it could use some reviews | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | so let's action that for this week as well | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | when I say we should review something, show of hands who knows what I mean? | 18:06 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 18:06 |
| anteaya | #action third party team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:06 |
| anteaya | there has got to be more attendees who know how to review | 18:06 |
| anteaya | I know you are there | 18:06 |
| sweston | o/ | 18:07 |
| dougwig | i'm not familiar with puppet, nor if splitting is best practices. my review wouldn't be useful. | 18:07 |
| anteaya | not much sense to put out a call to review if folks don't know how to review | 18:07 |
| e0ne | o/ | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, as always, it would be nice for the third-party tag, but in this case, it is secondary, can we add multiple tags with -t? | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | it may be that some don't know the interest as it applies here | 18:07 |
| anteaya | dougwig: I disagree, can you identify a spelling mistake or a whitespace error? | 18:07 |
| anteaya | dougwig: if yes, your review is helpful | 18:07 |
| dougwig | i'm happy to do that. | 18:07 |
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| daya_k | do we review with a +1 if we agree with the item? | 18:07 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: no I don't think we can add multilple topics, let me think on that | 18:08 |
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| e0ne | daya_k: yes | 18:08 |
| anteaya | dougwig: great thanks, I look forward to your review | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | next item from last week | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | daya_k, looks good to me (+1) or if you see a problem, you add a comment and -1 | 18:08 |
| anteaya | #info joa and krtaylor to discuss doc improvement sections to focus on | 18:08 |
| anteaya | so joa can't make today's meeting | 18:09 |
| * krtaylor I'll go play with -t and multiple tags | 18:09 | |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, joa never pinged, I should have followed up | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | and he is caught in the void between the infra-manual repo and config/third-party.rst | 18:09 |
| anteaya | so I will help him out | 18:09 |
| anteaya | he just in in -infra 10 minutes ago | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | he was looking for advice on how to bust up what he has into reviewable sections | 18:09 |
| anteaya | and will offer some patches to config based on his work, with him as co-author this week | 18:10 |
| anteaya | right | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:10 |
| anteaya | #action anteaya to offer joa's work as config patches with joa as co-author by next meeting | 18:10 |
| anteaya | I'll need some reviews from folks | 18:10 |
| anteaya | next topic | 18:10 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | this is me | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | #info Avoid comment generator scripts (anteaya) | 18:11 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: would you like to share your thoughts here? | 18:11 |
| dougwig | can you expand on what that means? | 18:11 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042880.html | 18:11 |
| anteaya | so the vmware ci had an issue and had to reboot, losing its queue | 18:12 |
| asselin | o/ | 18:12 |
| sc68cal_ | Ah, I think I can jump in here as well - we have an ipv6 patch that is trying to re-trigger NEC CI | 18:12 |
| salv-orlando | I think I should apologise publicly again? Yeah our ci had a script that did recheck by pushing ‘recheck’ comments to gerrit | 18:12 |
| anteaya | so it used a generator script to mass comment on patches in gerrit to recheck theim with their system | 18:12 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: no apology necessary, just a look so other folks avoid the problem | 18:12 |
| salv-orlando | this script was ran on all openstack/nova patches in the CI build’s queue. | 18:12 |
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| kevinbenton | mass retries should be internally triggered with no public side effects other than a new vote when finished, right? | 18:13 |
| salv-orlando | Apart from annoying people with an extra comment coming from nowhere, this also had a side issue which was totally our fault. | 18:13 |
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| salv-orlando | We missed the email where we said that recheck.* is a verboten namespace for rechecks | 18:13 |
| salv-orlando | and ended up pushing all those patches upstream as well to zuul | 18:13 |
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| dougwig | is it still ok to do manually on an occasional basis, or do we need internal mechanisms for anything we re-trigger? | 18:14 |
| salv-orlando | at the end of the day minesweeper choked zuul, and the account was disabled. | 18:14 |
| anteaya | dougwig: manual is fine | 18:14 |
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| salv-orlando | so if you have a similar mechanism for recheck and more importantly if you use recheck* for doing rechecks you are at risk of being disabled at any moment | 18:14 |
| anteaya | yeah so the point is the automation of comments ended up taking out openstack's zuul | 18:14 |
| anteaya | and more importantly bringing down infra | 18:15 |
| anteaya | so please don't do that | 18:15 |
| anteaya | once we can handle as a learning item, so let's learn | 18:15 |
| anteaya | more than once and we risk mutiny | 18:15 |
| anteaya | so let's not do that | 18:15 |
| anteaya | questions? | 18:15 |
| salv-orlando | what anteaya is saying happened because the pattern was recheck-vmware. Now.^.*recheck.*$ triggers zuul | 18:15 |
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| dougwig | do we have a recommended syntax for 3rd party retriggers? | 18:16 |
| anteaya | also the point is automation can provide a ddos very quickly | 18:16 |
| anteaya | dougwig: we are working on that | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | dougwig: would you like to add that to the infra team meeting tomorrow so we can discuss it | 18:16 |
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| sc68cal_ | anteaya: what can devs do in the meantime for retriggering specific CIs that are blocking work? | 18:16 |
| anteaya | it is a discussion item but we haven't reached consensus yet | 18:16 |
| * sc68cal_ feels bad for being pushy | 18:17 | |
| anteaya | sc68cal_: good question, I have to be honest and say I don't currently know the safe way to do that | 18:17 |
| anteaya | sc68cal_: never feel bad for being pushy | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | better than staying quiet and wreaking havoc | 18:17 |
| sc68cal_ | anteaya: OK - do you have that link handy for the contact info for 3rd party CI contacts? | 18:17 |
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| sc68cal_ | I had it at some point but lost it :( | 18:17 |
| kevinbenton | isn’t manually retriggering still fine? sc68cal_, anteaya | 18:17 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal_: maybe for vmware I’ll try “"Bibbidi bobbidi boo!”” | 18:17 |
| dougwig | anteaya: sure. i'm not picky on what it is, as long as we do something to retrigger without affecting openstack jenkins. | 18:17 |
| sc68cal_ | salv-orlando: lol :) | 18:17 |
| anteaya | sc68cal_: can you ask in -infra and report back if you learn before the top of the hour? | 18:17 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: manual retrigger is fine | 18:18 |
| sc68cal_ | anteaya: sure - thank you :) | 18:18 |
| * krtaylor looks for sdague's recheck proposal | 18:18 | |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: since even if you do an oops it is one oops, not 600 | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109565/ | 18:18 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: I like it | 18:18 |
| anteaya | dougwig: agreed | 18:18 |
| dougwig | i think we're going to see a lot of creative retrigger prefixes in the short-term. :) | 18:18 |
| anteaya | dougwig: and right now I don't know what that is | 18:18 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: that is more of the conversation, not the decision about what the safe way is yet | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | lots of discussion on that topic | 18:19 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: right. so if sc68cal_ is blocked by a negative he can just issue rechecks on that one safely | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, just posted for background | 18:19 |
| anteaya | dougwig: unfortunatly, which is why if you can add an item to the infra agenda it would help many others | 18:19 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: right, thank you | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | kevinbenton: yes | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | so more here or moving on for the moment? | 18:20 |
| anteaya | allowing sc68cal_ to chime in if he gets an answer | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | sorry this was supposed to be under announcements as well | 18:20 |
| anteaya | #info Helping out on the mailing list | 18:20 |
| anteaya | it would be great if people could help out on the mailing list | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | some have and it is great to see, thank you | 18:21 |
| e0ne | anteaya: thanks for raising this topic on meeting | 18:21 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043392.html | 18:21 |
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| sc68cal_ | I'm just going to shoot an e-mail to the e-mail address the NEC CI account is listed as - and hope for the best :-\ | 18:21 |
| anteaya | this item currently needs some attention and a response from cinder | 18:21 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: can you take it? | 18:22 |
| jungleboyj | Did someone say Cinder? | 18:22 |
| anteaya | e0ne: my pleasure | 18:22 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: yes the above linked email needs your attention | 18:22 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: yep:) | 18:22 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: can you reply? | 18:22 |
| anteaya | sc68cal_: go you | 18:22 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal_: amotoki handles NEC if that’s what you are looking for... | 18:22 |
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| sc68cal_ | anteaya: kevinbenton: thanks :) | 18:23 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Yeah, I can follow up on that e-mail. | 18:23 |
| asselin | anteaya, I don't think this is a cinder question but an infra question | 18:23 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: thank you | 18:23 |
| e0ne | i'm not sure thas such issue is onlu cinder related. maybe neutron too | 18:23 |
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| jungleboyj | anteaya: Wait, asselin is right. | 18:23 |
| anteaya | asselin: please expand | 18:23 |
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| asselin | anteaya, the question is how to configure zuul to limit which patches it checks to a file being changed | 18:23 |
| anteaya | asselin: great, do you have any knowledge you can share to help find an answer to that question? | 18:24 |
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| asselin | rule: when change includes file_regex, run test | 18:24 |
| anteaya | or does anyone else? | 18:24 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so it sounds like you have that one asselin ? | 18:24 |
| asselin | anteaya, no, but I'm also interested in the answer :) | 18:24 |
| anteaya | there is a lot of knowledge in this group about how to run a ci | 18:24 |
| anteaya | does anyone in channel have even a bit of info to respond to this email? | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | since waiting for infra to answer may take some time | 18:25 |
| salv-orlando | asselin: I’m sure zuul/layout.xaml or some similar file have a section where you configure a filter similar to those of a jenkins’s gerrit trigger | 18:25 |
| asselin | well I can take the action to ask -infra how to do it, if it's even possible today.It's possible that feature is not supporeted | 18:25 |
| salv-orlando | * layout.yaml | 18:25 |
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| dougwig | i'm currently running against all commits, because i haven't had a chance to run this down. i'd love an example as well. | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | asselin: thanks, that will be a help indeed | 18:26 |
| e0ne | asselin: is it ok to have one ci for two or more proejects? in my case it is cinder and nova | 18:26 |
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| dougwig | i think it's Jobs -> Files, but i haven't tested it. | 18:26 |
| anteaya | #action asselin to ask infra about zuul configration to filter patches | 18:26 |
| anteaya | asselin: did I get that right? | 18:26 |
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| asselin | salv-orlando, yes, I noticed this recent patch is similar idea, (wait for jenkins +1 before running) which is nice for 3rd party as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114712/1/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml | 18:26 |
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| salv-orlando | anteaya: I can confirm it’s zuul/layout.yaml in oepnstack-infra/config | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | salv-orlando: thanks | 18:27 |
| asselin | yes, filter patches on changed files | 18:27 |
| salv-orlando | there is a section for configuring the gerrit trigger on each pipeline | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | asselin: great, are you also willing to reply to the email with what you learn or would you like someone else to? | 18:27 |
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| asselin | anteaya, sure | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | e0ne, yes, one account can test multiple projects, does that answer your question? | 18:28 |
| anteaya | #action asselin to reply to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043392.html with what he learns | 18:28 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:28 |
| e0ne | krtaylor, yes, thanks | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | e0ne, let's bring it up in the open discussion | 18:28 |
| anteaya | more on this or moving on? | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | e0ne, oh, ok, nm | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | okay moving on | 18:28 |
| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | #info Review Nova requirements progress and timeline https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/Requirements (jaypipes) | 18:29 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: you're up | 18:29 |
| jaypipes | heyo. | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/Requirements | 18:29 |
| anteaya | hello jaypipes :D | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | jaypipes, thanks, was just looking for brief summary state and timeline, ect | 18:30 |
| jaypipes | anteaya: not sure there's all that much to discuss. basically, dansmith put together the above link, and it was discussed at the nova mid-cycle meetup. nobody had any problems with the requirements as listed on the above wiki page. | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | jaypipes: great | 18:30 |
| jaypipes | anteaya, krtaylor: no timeline AFAIK. | 18:30 |
| anteaya | thanks for bringing it here so we know as well | 18:30 |
| jaypipes | np | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | jaypipes: so there isn't much of a description on the page | 18:31 |
| anteaya | can you share a bit of context for the travel weary? | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | right, not much for when this would be a hypervisor minimum set of functionality | 18:32 |
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| krtaylor | I was wanting to discuss here as that is also tied to testing | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | but, prob only interesting to those testing nova drivers | 18:32 |
| jaypipes | I don't know that information, unfortunately. I think Mikal is the arbiter of that. | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | jaypipes: ah okay | 18:33 |
| anteaya | anyone implimenting testing for nova drivers with questions? | 18:33 |
| jaypipes | anteaya: I'm sorry. It's still something under active discussion what exactly the rigid requirements are for a virt driver staying in tree. | 18:33 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: ah okay great | 18:33 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: thanks for the early heads up | 18:33 |
| anteaya | so if folks have a stake in this, be sure to participate in the discussion | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | jaypipes, thanks | 18:34 |
| anteaya | all the usual places, I presume? irc, ml, meetings, correct jaypipes? | 18:34 |
| jaypipes | anteaya: ML, followed by IRC, yeah. | 18:35 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: great thanks | 18:35 |
| anteaya | any more here? | 18:35 |
| jaypipes | anteaya: the "fair standards for all hypervisors" ML thread speciically | 18:35 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: ah yes, of course | 18:35 |
| anteaya | anyone with a quick link to the parent post of that thread for the logs? | 18:35 |
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| * krtaylor looks | 18:35 | |
| jaypipes | one sec, will do. | 18:35 |
| jaypipes | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040421.html | 18:36 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040421.html | 18:36 |
| anteaya | thanks jaypipes | 18:36 |
| jaypipes | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042284.html | 18:36 |
| jaypipes | it spans both months/ | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042284.html | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | jaypipes: yes, a chewy chat indeed | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | yup. | 18:37 |
| anteaya | okay any objection to moving to the next topic? | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | nope | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | next topic it is | 18:37 |
| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | #info Cinder update (jungleboyj) | 18:38 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: your floor | 18:38 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Thank you. | 18:38 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, I forgot to hit save on the agenda page earlier, but it should be there now. | 18:39 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: it is | 18:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, good. | 18:39 |
| anteaya | fill in the blanks | 18:39 |
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| jungleboyj | So, as far as your dates are concerned, DuncanT is pinging people this week if they have not indicated some progress. | 18:40 |
| jungleboyj | There will be a mailing list e-mail next week if still no response and then patches to remove the non-compliant drivers will beging. | 18:40 |
| jungleboyj | People are making progress though. IBM has their CIs running, but not all of them are against the main gerrit stream riht now due to being unreliable. | 18:41 |
| anteaya | great so Cinder driver folk, make sure DuncanT is aware of your progress even if you are not yet in full compliance, don't stay quiet | 18:41 |
| jungleboyj | HP and EMC are pretty reliably post results. | 18:41 |
| * anteaya nods | 18:41 | |
| anteaya | good work | 18:41 |
| anteaya | anything else here? | 18:41 |
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| jungleboyj | anteaya: +2 to not being quiet. | 18:42 |
| jungleboyj | I can cover the rest in open discussion. | 18:42 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:42 |
| anteaya | moving on | 18:42 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | #info Communicating CI status changes and updates, posting to the -dev ml becomes seen as spam, options? | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | so we currently have about 87 gerrit accounts | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | if every one of them posts to the ml for status outages and return of service | 18:43 |
| anteaya | that doesn't work | 18:43 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: just a wiki page with the current status of all CI seems adequate | 18:43 |
| dougwig | anteaya: sorry, on previous topic, neutron is doing a CI housecleaning as well: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043218.html | 18:43 |
| anteaya | how do we communicate status? | 18:43 |
| anteaya | dougwig: ah yes, sorry I forgot to ask about that | 18:43 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043218.html | 18:43 |
| anteaya | #info neutron ci housecleaning | 18:44 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: that is a good idea | 18:44 |
| anteaya | any other options? | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, re: status topic, I had a discussion on nova about this last week, we decided that short-term we would report status on our third-party wiki page | 18:45 |
| nuritv_ | anteaya - the problem is when a system is down no point in doing recheck. will a developer look at the wiki on all time? | 18:45 |
| emagana | anteaya: Hi There! about Neutron CI I have received tons of responses | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | okay lets' finish status reporting and then circle back to neutron ci updates | 18:45 |
| emagana | anteaya: I am planing to update the Neutron Wiki with the current status. What is clear is that CI requirements needs to be more specific | 18:46 |
| dougwig | anteaya: my reaction to CI downtime is: why is it posting to gerrit at all for scheduled downtime, and similarly, why aren't the missed jobs being queued later? why announce at all? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | nuritv_: agreed, unless it is one easy to access source it won't be referenced | 18:46 |
| anteaya | dougwig: good points | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | re: status - this works for a quick fix becaus we already link to that page in comments | 18:46 |
| nuritv_ | anteaya: maybe a comment in the gerrit? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | no, not adding comments to gerrit | 18:46 |
| anteaya | hmmm | 18:46 |
| anteaya | I wonder if we can add info to this page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Category:ThirdPartySystems | 18:47 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Category:ThirdPartySystems | 18:47 |
| anteaya | any wiki page experts here? | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | no, but that is the best user story for why there needs to be a ci dashboard | 18:47 |
| anteaya | willing to experiment to see if we can have a table of ci statuses on that same page | 18:47 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: hmmm, that might be interesting too | 18:48 |
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| krtaylor | or just color code the name table cell | 18:48 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: oh I like that | 18:48 |
| lyxus | anteaya, I though emagana what trying to do that (at leat on the Neutron side) | 18:48 |
| anteaya | green for up, red for down, amber for issues read the ci page for details | 18:48 |
| emagana | lyxus: Yes, that is my goal | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | there are several threads for how to fix this issue | 18:48 |
| anteaya | we need the threads to converge | 18:49 |
| dougwig | here is emagana's wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron_Plugins_and_Drivers | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, exactly, stoplight | 18:49 |
| anteaya | and for one person to champion the solution | 18:49 |
| anteaya | I don't care what it is, we need a champion for it | 18:49 |
| emagana | lyxus: Unfortunately, it is quite manual right now | 18:49 |
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| lyxus | emagana, we just need to discuss how we define what is a good status for a CI :) | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | need automatic solution, else stale = useless | 18:49 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: can you see if you can change your ci table colours as described above and report back | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: not good status, just the ci is running | 18:50 |
| anteaya | okay no solution this week, but we need to find one | 18:50 |
| anteaya | we can't continue to spam the ml | 18:50 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, I know I can change it, just how to do it programatically is the issue | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | and we need folks to have an outlet to communiciate system status since that is encouraged | 18:50 |
| lyxus | anteaya, then define what is a "running" CI | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: do it manually for this week | 18:51 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, will do | 18:51 |
| anteaya | lyxus: at a future meeting | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | I just need omrim to stop spamming the ml | 18:51 |
| anteaya | so thanks for attending the meeting omrim | 18:51 |
| kevinbenton | we had previously discussed requiring builds of master at given intervals | 18:51 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105299/ | 18:52 |
| anteaya | right but calibration is different from ormi's ml spam | 18:52 |
| omrim | Anteaya: Thanks for your comment | 18:52 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: i was just suggesting for an automated “status” page | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043382.html | 18:52 |
| anteaya | this is the problem I am trying to fix today | 18:53 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: yes and I would love that | 18:53 |
| anteaya | reducing email spam is today's goal, having an automated setup is still a goal | 18:53 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i think we should just have a wiki page for that. if someone doesn’t want to check the wiki, they probably aren’t going to search their inbox anyway | 18:53 |
| anteaya | okay any objections to moving to neutron ci cleanup? | 18:54 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: fair enough | 18:54 |
| smcginnis | Just brainstorming, but can we have an #openstack-cistatus IRC that CI systems send status messages to. Then dashboard can parse those messages to display current status? | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | and wikipage or colouring table entries is something we can do shor term | 18:54 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: I like the idea | 18:54 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: do you have any space for a proof of concept? | 18:55 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: Unfortunately better at suggesting ideas than implementing. ;) | 18:55 |
| anteaya | #topic Neutron CI housecleaning | 18:55 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: Maybe once my corp firewall lets out IRC I can. | 18:55 |
| anteaya | emagana: your floor | 18:55 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: okay | 18:55 |
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| * anteaya hopes emagana is still around | 18:56 | |
| anteaya | markmcclain: can you jump in here? | 18:56 |
| emagana | sorry! | 18:56 |
| emagana | I am here! | 18:56 |
| anteaya | np | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | great | 18:56 |
| * anteaya listens | 18:57 | |
| emagana | Neutron CI requiremets are not very clear | 18:57 |
| emagana | that is the big summary after my investigation | 18:57 |
| anteaya | link again? | 18:57 |
| emagana | we need to work on very specific CI requirements | 18:57 |
| dougwig | can you clarify? i've been going off of this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 18:58 |
| emagana | link: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg32385.html | 18:58 |
| anteaya | thanks emagana | 18:58 |
| anteaya | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg32385.html | 18:58 |
| emagana | all the responses that I got were explaining why their CI did not test the commit | 18:59 |
| anteaya | one minute left and I think we need to wrap up | 18:59 |
| emagana | the bottomline is that requirements should be clear | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | neutron ci systems please continue on the #openstack-neutron channel | 18:59 |
| kevinbenton | we also need to establish time to report back test | 18:59 |
| emagana | I will work with the Neutron community to do that | 18:59 |
| lyxus | and clarify the -1 | 18:59 |
| anteaya | emagana: can we get a neutron agenda item for next week's agenda so we ensure you have more time | 18:59 |
| emagana | anteaya: I will | 18:59 |
| anteaya | I agree this is an important discussion | 19:00 |
| anteaya | and I support it | 19:00 |
| anteaya | and we need to end for today | 19:00 |
| anteaya | so let's contiue to discuss | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks to everyone for a great meeting | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | items we didn't cover will roll over to next week | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 19:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-18-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-18-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-18-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you anteaya :) | 19:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks anteaya | 19:01 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 19:01 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | NobodyCam: :D | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 19:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| mrda | o/ | 19:02 |
| rloo | me | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ howdy ya all | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | Devananda is off burning thing in the desert. | 19:02 |
| comstud | o/ | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | things even :-p | 19:03 |
| comstud | men | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g is also out for the day | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur is on PTO as well | 19:03 |
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| lucasagomes | today* | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | looks like we may even have a light agenda .. | 19:04 |
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| jroll | \o (was grabbing food, sorry) | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | any announcements for anyone out there ? | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | np jroll | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | we assigned everything to you | 19:05 |
| jroll | good | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then lets jump into things: | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Release cycle progress report | 19:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Release cycle progress report (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:05 | |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: thats you today? | 19:05 |
| linggao | o/ | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | right so, while deva is off I will be assuming the release cycle progress | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | feature freeze will happen in less than 3 weeks from now (September 4) | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | we had our feature proposal freeze last Thursday | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | so no more specs will be approved, and they need to be resubmitted once Kilo opens | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | also it's important to note that in Kilo we will change slightly our spec process | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | mostly to be able to give people a faster feedback and let them know whether the feature that they are proposing belongs in Ironic or not | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041960.html | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | ^ for more information about the spec process changes | 19:07 |
| jroll | note: JayF -2'd all outstanding specs already | 19:07 |
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| lucasagomes | nice, thanks for that | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | so J3... | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-3 | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | yes thank you jroll jayf | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | we really need to spend time reviewing code for the already approved specs | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | we have 14 specs tagged to land in J3 | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | that's a lot | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | and from this 14 only 3 is already marked as implemented | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | I know some of the specs are just waiting for code reviews in Ironic and/or changes in other related project like tempest and/or devstack | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | but we also have some specs approved which has no code proposed yet | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are we going to have a review jam tomorrow morning? | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yup, yeah we should | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:08 |
| rloo | First bp is done I believe. | 19:08 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: are you going to go through the bps? | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ah right, I will mark it as implemented later then | 19:09 |
| jroll | +1 review jam | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, tomorrow or today u mean? | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | #action review jam tomorrow morning! | 19:09 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: right now. | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, today I'm just doing an overview of the situation | 19:09 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ok. | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | so | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | so if you own one spec and you didn't put any code up yet, please do! | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | ASAP | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | and if you don't think you'll have time to finish your spec before September 4, please lemme know | 19:10 |
| mrda | so tomorrow is quite subjective, just sayin' | 19:10 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: I think in that review jam, we should also assess the specs without code | 19:10 |
| jroll | mrda: tuesday :P | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, yup | 19:11 |
| rloo | time on tuesday? | 19:11 |
| mrda | jroll: oh you mean today | 19:11 |
| jroll | 7am pacific or later is fine with me | 19:11 |
| jroll | mrda :P | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | so for next week I to bring some numbers about how many of the blueprints was completed or blocked on the week before and more details about specific specs that might need a special attention | 19:11 |
| jroll | mrda: tomorrow utc :P | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: awesome | 19:11 |
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| lucasagomes | and that's it for now, ah, folks who has a spec approved and not completed yet I might ping you this week (and the next weeks as well) to know about the progress of it | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | ahhh | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | I'd vote for 8am pst just to have time for coffee | 19:12 |
| wanyen | fyi- uefi boot code has been sumitted and need code review | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | folks working in the nova driver, tempest, nova migration and grenade should continue on that because that's very important for our graduation!! | 19:12 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: fine with that | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, lets talk about the time after the meeting or opendiscussion | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | cause I've a important call I will check the hours here | 19:12 |
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| jroll | wanyen: we're aware and it will get reviewed :) | 19:12 |
| wanyen | jroll, tx | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | but that's it for me, I will be probably nagging people about their bps status for the next days :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | great report lucasagomes TY | 19:13 |
| rloo | wanyen: maybe you could update the BP status for uefi. it shows as 'Started'. | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | +1 for nagging | 19:13 |
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| jroll | rloo, wanyen, that should be automatically updated if the BP is mentioned correctly in the commit message | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | comments / question for lucasagomes | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, awesome! I will mark it as need code review | 19:13 |
| wanyen | rloo, ok. I will try. Sometime Ihave problemto update bp' status | 19:13 |
| jroll | comments: lucasagomes is awesome. that is all | 19:14 |
| rloo | wanyen: ask for help later ;) | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | ok then lets jump into subteams :) | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | u all are awesome :) | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: integration & testing work | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g is out for the day: | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | per his request I am relaying his most pressing review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112402 | 19:14 |
| wanyen | lucasagomes, tx | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | he also has Ironic migration script needs review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112402 | 19:15 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: should we be pinging nova people for reviews on that migration script, too? | 19:15 |
| jroll | (also, those are the same links) | 19:15 |
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| mrda | jroll: +1 | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: adam_g seem to think so so I would say yes! | 19:15 |
| jroll | heh, ok | 19:16 |
| jroll | agree | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | adam added his links to the agenda please find them there | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | any questions/ comments on integration & testing | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | ok moving on... | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Bug team | 19:17 |
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| lucasagomes | so dmitry is on PTO | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | but | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | he has a nice bug dashboard here | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://ironic-bugs.divius.net/ | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | stats: Open: 134. 8 new, 37 in progress, 0 critical, 16 high and 5 incomplete | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | anyone to report for dtantsur | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | lol awesome lucasagomes | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | it's on the dashboard, just c&p | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | heh | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:18 |
| jroll | lol | 19:18 |
| jroll | good report! | 19:18 |
| jroll | is someone triaging while he is out? | 19:18 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, he will be back tomorrow | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | any questons/comments on bugs? | 19:19 |
| jroll | ha, ok | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | oh no that I know | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | how long is he out? | 19:19 |
| jroll | til tomorrow apparently | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | only today afaik | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | I think we're ok then | 19:19 |
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| NobodyCam | we're mak'n good time today :) | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | jroll | 19:20 |
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| jroll | hi! | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:20 |
| jroll | as always, tracking progress here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:20 |
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| jroll | still working on getting CI out there | 19:20 |
| jroll | devstack changes and docs have landed | 19:20 |
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| jroll | there's some more changes on that etherpad that need to land for ironic check jobs and IPA gate jobs | 19:21 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:21 |
| lifeless | o/ | 19:21 |
| jroll | I'd like to land more docs for J3 as well | 19:21 |
| * lucasagomes needs to poke someone to review the ipxe devstack changes too | 19:21 | |
| NobodyCam | jroll: morning lifeless :) | 19:22 |
| jroll | oh I can take a look at that, too, lucas | 19:22 |
| jroll | heya lifeless | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, nice docs are imporant... we also have J4 for docs | 19:22 |
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| lucasagomes | and bug fixes | 19:22 |
| jroll | oh, I'd also like to revive the DIB patch for IPA too | 19:22 |
| jroll | that NobodyCam | 19:23 |
| jroll | started | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: lets chat about that after the meeting | 19:23 |
| jroll | ^^ | 19:23 |
| jroll | might need help from lifeless or someone | 19:23 |
| lifeless | sure | 19:23 |
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| lifeless | I have a fragmented morning but I'm sure we can hook up | 19:23 |
| jroll | yep, no rush | 19:23 |
| jroll | ok, any comments/questions for me? | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | :> | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | very good report Ty jroll | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Oslo | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | Ghe | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | you here GheRivero | 19:25 |
| GheRivero | nothing to add :) | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | :) love it | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | TY | 19:25 |
| jroll | don't forget Nova driver status (mrda) :) | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | question/comments for GheRivero | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I wont | 19:26 |
| * mrda waits patiently | 19:26 | |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:26 |
| jroll | ok, just noticed we're out of order :P | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | we dping really good on time | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | GheRivero, 1 q | 19:26 |
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| lucasagomes | the problem with migration tests running on gate | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | it's fixed already? any updates on that? | 19:26 |
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| GheRivero | I was looking on that but got stuck with other issue. First thing tomorrow morning :) | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | ack | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | thanks Ghe | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | any other Q/C? | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | moving on. | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Nova Driver status | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | mrda thats you | 19:29 |
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| mrda | \o/ | 19:29 |
| mrda | So it's been a battle of git rebasing this past week, but I learnt a valuable lesson - you must start with the last patch in the chain :) | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:30 |
| mrda | So there's a 5 patch series, 1 and 2 will be ok with Nova | 19:30 |
| mrda | there's some +2'ing already | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:30 |
| mrda | 3, 4, 5 need more work and I'm continuing on that | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | awesome :) | 19:31 |
| mrda | I know jroll has a couple of perfomance related reviews he'd like looked at in Ironic that I he would like tacked on the end as review 6 | 19:31 |
| mrda | so help jroll out if you can | 19:31 |
| jroll | ^^ | 19:31 |
| * lucasagomes gotta review the cache stuff | 19:32 | |
| NobodyCam | mrda: if those land in ironic are you ok with adding to the patch train | 19:32 |
| mrda | besides that, all ok. I'll scream loudly if I need ironic core assistance on fixes in the ironic tree before reposting them back into nova | 19:32 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/108545 and https://review.openstack.org/113036 | 19:32 |
| jroll | mrda: ++ for screaming | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, ++ any time | 19:32 |
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| mrda | NobodyCam: Yes, those 2 performance ones (108545 + 113036 I thik) | 19:32 |
| rloo | and nothing gets into nova until the entire chain is approved? | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | mrda: :) (poking folks with sharp sticks works too) | 19:32 |
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| mrda | oh, and I need someone to represent us at the Nova team meeting in meeting-alt at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140821T140000 | 19:33 |
| jroll | my firewall blocks sharp sticks :) | 19:33 |
| mrda | (just in case they have questions) | 19:33 |
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| mrda | (I'm not going to do late nights and early mornings in the same week :) | 19:33 |
| jroll | mrda: I can if nobody else wants to, lucasagomes might also be a good candidate for that based on the time | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: where you planning on attending that? | 19:33 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: does that work for you? | 19:33 |
| jroll | (lucas might know more about that than myself) | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | so I wasn't planning, I have to check my calendar here | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | can I give you the answer later? | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | sure..Ty lucasagomes | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | there's some internal meetings I have, so I want to make sure it won't collide | 19:34 |
| mrda | sure, it's not a big deal, just in case nova wants to discuss about the ironic patch series | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | or if I can rearrange it somehow | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:35 |
| mrda | anyone have any questions about the driver landing in nova? | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | I will check that out | 19:35 |
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| mrda | lucasagomes: thnx | 19:35 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: feel free to poke me if you can't do it | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140821T140000 <- nova meeting | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, mrda np, will do | 19:35 |
| mrda | I'm done unless there's q's | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | I skipped over tempest Ci, as dtantsur was out, I should ask if there are any questions on that tpoic | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | topic even | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | if not. then we can mosy over to : | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:37 |
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| NobodyCam | any questions? | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | comments? | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | screams? | 19:38 |
| jroll | yeah, I have a thing! | 19:38 |
| jroll | I started the horizon work today https://review.openstack.org/115050 | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | oh I saw that in channel | 19:39 |
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| lucasagomes | ah nice! | 19:39 |
| jroll | that's mostly autogenerated code, but I'm going to continue working on it... if anyone wants to play with it or help or whatever please let me know :) | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/115050 | 19:39 |
| jroll | I might post that to the mailing list just so nobody duplicates that work | 19:40 |
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| rloo | it would be good to have an item in the meeting to review outstanding stuff to get to graduation. | 19:40 |
| jroll | and see if there's any new mockups | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | that would be great jroll | 19:40 |
| jroll | rloo: +1 | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | #action NobodyCm add outstanding stuff for graduation item to agenda | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | that it? folk want 20 minutes back? | 19:42 |
| jroll | oh come on, there has to be something to argue about ;) | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, jroll rloo as for the time of the review jam tomorrow... I'm busy from 14:00~15:30 UTC tomorrow | 19:42 |
| mrda | I can go back to sleep! \o/ | 19:42 |
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| lucasagomes | can we do it after that? of you guys can start and I join later | 19:42 |
| * jroll converts the time real quick | 19:43 | |
| jroll | that's 7-8:30 pacific, yeah? | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: thats 9 am pst? | 19:43 |
| jroll | I can do either way, let's just start at 8:30 | 19:43 |
| jroll | uhh | 19:43 |
| jroll | is it? | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | give you a few minutes inbetween? | 19:43 |
| jroll | oh you're saying start at 9am | 19:43 |
| jroll | sounds good | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | si | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | review jam tomorrow 9am pst ? | 19:44 |
| jroll | wfm :) | 19:44 |
| rloo | works for me. | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | +1 here | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | :) aight | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | sounds good. | 19:44 |
| rloo | uhh, 15:30 utc is 9:30 pst. | 19:45 |
| rloo | so you want to start at 15 UTC? | 19:45 |
| jroll | I don't think it is? | 19:45 |
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| jroll | we may be in pdt | 19:45 |
| jroll | idk, it's currently 1945 utc / 1245 pacific | 19:45 |
| jroll | afaik | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | I think we are officaly in pdt | 19:46 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then shall we take 14 minutes and go grab some lunch? | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | I think so if nobody has anything else | 19:46 |
| rloo | +1 NobodyCam | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | (it's late here :P) | 19:46 |
| jroll | I've got nothing | 19:47 |
| wanyen | what timeis ther review jam, *:30 pdt? | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, will be happy as well I bet | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: 9 am tomorrow | 19:47 |
| wanyen | review jam 8:30 pdt? | 19:47 |
| wanyen | ok. ty, nNobodyCam | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you everyone | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 19:47:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-18-19.01.html | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-18-19.01.txt | 19:48 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 18 21:02:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #info mestery is off today, so I'm filling in | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:03 |
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| rudrarug_ | hi | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #info Feature Proposal Freeze is this Aug 21st | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | If code is not proposed by the end of the day on the 21st the feature will be deferred | 21:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello - sorry for being late | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Please note deprecation notices for the cisco nexus and mellanox plugins | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Any questions before continue? | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: no worries… we just got going | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: hi | 21:06 |
| enikanorov_ | there are two bugs worth attention this week: | 21:07 |
| enikanorov_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1357379 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357379 in neutron "policy admin_only rules not enforced when changing value to default" [Medium,In progress] | 21:07 |
| enikanorov_ | that's a kind of security vulnerability where regular user may update admin-only attribute from existing to default | 21:07 |
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| enikanorov_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1356227 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356227 in neutron "TestLoadBalancerBasic fails and leads to consequent tests failures" [High,In progress] | 21:08 |
| enikanorov_ | that is a regression from the fix that got rid of rpc calls inside transaction. the fix is on review | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: you've looked at 1357379 too? | 21:08 |
| enikanorov_ | I continue to monitor bugs and some types of gate failures | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: thanks for monitoring the bugs | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I have looked, but it’s now in progress and I can’t find a patch for that | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: did you speak with the current assignee? | 21:09 |
| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: it's WIP for now. we're thinking on the best approach to the fix | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | WIP means we have a patch for it and we’re looking whether we can do something better | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | so where’s the patch? ;) gerrit did not link it to launchpad | 21:10 |
| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114531/ | 21:11 |
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| salv-orlando | cool thanks - I’m taking the liberty to link it to the bug report, if you don’t mind | 21:11 |
| enikanorov_ | sure! | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: thanks | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs the team should discuss? | 21:13 |
| enikanorov_ | not from my side today | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: thanks for tracking these | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | #topic Team Discussion - Kumbaya | 21:14 |
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| enikanorov_ | lol | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | Kumbaya? | 21:14 |
| sc68cal | yaayt | 21:14 |
| enikanorov_ | *Kilo? | 21:14 |
| * dougwig breaks out the smores. | 21:14 | |
| markmcclain | #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain | the last few weeks have been a bit bumpy community wise | 21:15 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! Understatement! | 21:15 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | why? we’re making a lot of progress on nova parity features and stability | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | is there anything else that really mattered for juno? | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | Kyle and I wanted to remind everyone that all of us are in this together | 21:15 |
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| * salv-orlando sounds like a warning - either we sort this together or we go down together | 21:16 | |
| emagana | salv-orlando: Yes! | 21:16 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: Migration from nova-network to Neutron ... DVR testing | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | emagana: migration won’t happen I’m afraid, but we’re interrupting markmcclain | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | so it's important that we remember that it as we go through the busiest part of the cycle the next few weeks | 21:17 |
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| blogan | markmcclain: any update on the incubator? | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | blogan: I was hoping for final update today, but am awaiting word back on an item that were working on over the weekend | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Team Discussion 3rd Party CI systems | 21:19 |
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| emagana | Hi There! | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | There's been a good deal of discussion on the mailing the last few days | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: what items did you want to cover here? | 21:19 |
| emagana | markmcclain: CI requirements for Juno | 21:20 |
| emagana | it is up to Neutron to define the requirements for third-party CI testing | 21:20 |
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| emagana | based on the multiple responses that I got to this thread: | 21:20 |
| emagana | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043218.html | 21:20 |
| emagana | It clear that we have not defined properly and specifically the CI requirements | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: right we do have some variance | 21:21 |
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| emagana | I want to quickly define what are the requirements for Juno | 21:21 |
| lyxus | emagana, and a definition problem | 21:21 |
| dougwig | it's a bit late to be changing too radically from what's here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 21:22 |
| emagana | FRom this #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 21:22 |
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| emagana | It is not really clear what we are asking for and I do agree with dougwig it is too late to enforce strong requirements at this time. | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | I think what dougwig said set the requirements for Juno. They’re a bit flexible, but it would already be a result if all CI systems conformed to that. Then perhaps you can define more stringent requirements for Kilo, and that woukd be fine. | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: I agree | 21:23 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I agree as well | 21:23 |
| emagana | Yes and Yes! | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | as a side note we’re starting to bureaucratize everything. In this case can we just use common sense? | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:23 |
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| emagana | So, I want to work with each one of the CI owners and understand better their testing approach | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | cool, I think that then emagana would be more than happy to outline requirements for kilo | 21:24 |
| dane_leblanc | One thing that we need to consider is that there may be exceptional times when a CI may need to throttle back on the diffs that it's testing against | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | emagana: welll, I hope you don’t want to dictate every CI owner how they should implement their infra! | 21:25 |
| dane_leblanc | For example, before diffs are merged upstream which enable hardware to be tested. | 21:25 |
| emagana | Present a session during Kilo summit where we all agree on the requirements | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | dane_leblanc: right.. there we do have to balance the tests we run vs resources required | 21:25 |
| emagana | By Juno I think we should be testing at least: 1) Neutron Tempest tests | 21:25 |
| dane_leblanc | If there was a way for us to communicate that status.. | 21:25 |
| lukego | This might be too fuzzy, but one thing CI operators don’t currently get any guidance on is how much time/resources to commit in order to be successful. the advice seems to range from “it only takes 10 minutes, what is everybody complaining about?” up to suggesting a full time person. | 21:26 |
| emagana | 2) Only changes related to the sub-system the driver/plugins belongs to | 21:26 |
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| emagana | 3) Do not post fake results! | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | lukego: I understand your concerns, but I’m afraid that infra can’t offer anything more than documentation - and they already do | 21:26 |
| emagana | dane_leblanc: During today's thirdparty meeting on IRC that topic was discussed | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | emagana: I hope nobody is posting fake results | 21:27 |
| lyxus | emagana, what about the -1 ? The 3rd party CI recommend to be manual | 21:27 |
| dougwig | i think it's important to also not be too heavy-handed in what tests get run. an lbaas driver does not need to be testing l2 port stuff in detail (except how it might be using it); that's just duplicating openstack jenkins, and increasing the false negative potential. it's like a duplicate unit test. | 21:27 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: I did not know people were posting fake results :-) | 21:27 |
| marun1 | lukego: The time required is mostly determined by the skill of the implementors, in any case. | 21:27 |
| emagana | dane_leblanc: check the meeting logs | 21:27 |
| dane_leblanc | emagana: That was about the cinder issue? | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | Sukhdev: yeah I’ve been posting pictures of kittens rather than logs ;) | 21:27 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: ha ha funny!!! | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: haha | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | and the nyan cat as well | 21:28 |
| emagana | dane_leblanc: In general they are proposing a specific mailing list for CI status | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: ugh | 21:28 |
| dane_leblanc | emagana: Right, about the CI status posting. | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: i thought we were trying to get away from mailing lists | 21:28 |
| emagana | kevinbenton: We are open to suggestions | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: i liked the wiki with the current status | 21:29 |
| dane_leblanc | My point before is that when we're first bringing up a CI for new hardware, only a small subset of change sets will work on the CI. | 21:29 |
| rms_13_ | +1 kevinbenton | 21:29 |
| emagana | Anyway! Is everybody happy with the three requirements for CI in Juno? | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: we don’t really need a historical record that someone did some maintenance on their CI five weeks ago | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | I think there’s still a lot of confusion. It would be good to have a discussion on the ML on reporting CI status - and it’s worth reminding the stackalatics folks tried alreaydy to help us - maybe it’s worth starting from there. | 21:29 |
| emagana | kevinbenton: I agree!.. but please let's finish one discussion first | 21:29 |
| lyxus | emagana, we can't a have a proper status until we have 1) list of tests 2)time to execute the tests 3) Definition of a healty CI | 21:29 |
| rms_13_ | emagana: 2) is unclear to me. | 21:30 |
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| kevinbenton | rms_13_: +1 | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | ok… let's focus this discussion a bit | 21:30 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: clarify the first requirement - tempest tests - what if some of the tests are not applicable to CI? | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | we all agree logs should be real :) | 21:30 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I think those are valid questions. | 21:30 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain; +1 | 21:31 |
| emagana | markmcclain: It could take a lot of time. What if I propose this: | 21:31 |
| lukego | emagana: I think myself and several others are finding that we need to upgrade our CI quite a bit to run the scenario tests in a reliable way and are trying not to rush it and cause problems. | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | Seems that the general functionality of most systems is that subsystem(s) that a driver/plugin supports be tested | 21:31 |
| emagana | markmcclain: Let me improve the wiki today and cover all these questions. Working with all CI owners until everybody is happy | 21:31 |
| Sukhdev | lukego: Agree - I see very high failure rates with scenario tests | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | if an ML2 implementation wants to skip VPN tests for Juno that should be ok | 21:32 |
| emagana | Now, these requirements are minimal. If you CI does more, dont change it :-) | 21:32 |
| dougwig | emagana: regarding full tempest, i chatted with kyle about the the number unnecessary scenario tests with something like an lbaas driver, and we agreed to a subset (which is listed in the wiki.) i just don't see how running tests that do not affect the third-party code in the slightest will do anything but add to false negative potential. | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | so really we ahve to be careful about changing which set of tests run this late in the game | 21:32 |
| Sukhdev | dougwig: +1 | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: +1 | 21:33 |
| rudrarug_ | dougwig: +1 | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: I agree with you. Hence my point on common sense. | 21:33 |
| emagana | dougwig: My opinion is that CI should be testing core API.. So, I agreee with ypu | 21:33 |
| lyxus | salv-orlando, +1 | 21:33 |
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| emagana | Ok, it seems that everybody feels the same way | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | Looks like emagana wlll put together a proposal for kilo changes | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | we can either work on it via the ML the next few weeks and if necessary schedule design summit time | 21:34 |
| emagana | markmcclain: Yes, I will. For juno I will try to fix the Wiki to make it more clear and being very flexible with all CI systems.. | 21:34 |
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| Sukhdev | emagana: Core API tempest test is the correct way to go | 21:34 |
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| emagana | Sukhdev: That is for me the minimal requirement | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | folks - point taken. Those are differences we can smooth out. | 21:35 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: I am good with that | 21:35 |
| marun1 | Do you mean the api tests alone? | 21:35 |
| dougwig | Sukhdev: plus relevant scenario tests, i'd think. | 21:35 |
| emagana | basically, everything under: tempest/api/network/test_networks.py | 21:35 |
| marun1 | dougwig: +1 | 21:35 |
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| Sukhdev | dougwig: not really - those will be optional | 21:36 |
| * salv-orlando think we’re having one of those kindergarten moments ;) | 21:36 | |
| emagana | and tempest/api/network/test_networks_negative.py | 21:36 |
| marun1 | The api tests don't validate that anything happens below the server | 21:36 |
| marun1 | Nothing | 21:36 |
| marun1 | Nada | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: yes - agree with this classification of minimal tests | 21:36 |
| emagana | marun1: I know that marun1 | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | marun1: I’m sure scenario tests will be a requirement for Kilo | 21:36 |
| emagana | I will propose that for Kilo | 21:36 |
| emagana | marun1: It is too late for being hard on the plugins and drivers... I propose to be flexible in Juno but things will change in Kilo | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | #action emagana will put together proposal for Kilo testing changes | 21:37 |
| dougwig | the wiki linked above specifies api + relevant scenario. the lbaas subset, e.g. is the entire api suite plus relevant scenario. | 21:37 |
| dougwig | emagana: +1 | 21:37 |
| marun1 | emagana: Fair enough | 21:37 |
| Sukhdev | marun1: not all CI's deal with anything related to underneath servers | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | for how we signal needs such as reviews blocking a CI from functioning what exactly healthy means I don't think we can solve in 23minutes | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | those are also issue that the other projects will need to tackle as well | 21:37 |
| marun1 | There is little need for 3rd party reporting of api testing | 21:37 |
| emagana | #action emagana will clarify Juno requirements for CI systems | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | might be a good cross project session in Paris | 21:38 |
| marun1 | At least at the tempest level | 21:38 |
| Sukhdev | marun1: hence, API tests should be minimal requirement - those CI's that deal with servers should include scenario or other tests | 21:38 |
| dougwig | marun1: strongly disagree, but i'm not sure we need to hash that out right now. | 21:38 |
| marun1 | +1 | 21:38 |
| emagana | For all developers, feel free to reach me our directly about any CI related issue. I will put everything together and visible for all | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | emagana: thanks for working on this | 21:39 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I think we could move to the next topic on the agenda | 21:39 |
| marun1 | dougwig: We can do that testing better at the functional rather than integration level. | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Parity | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | we closed another parity item this week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043216.html | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | thanks to salv-orlando for spearheading that effort | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | there’s a little tweak to this story - please read the last update from the mailing list | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | in a nutshell we’re going to limit tests on the integrated gate to only neutron core services. | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043358.html final state | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | This was a request from nova core team backed by qa core team | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | I think that is a reasonable approach | 21:42 |
| marun1 | +1 | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: any doc items to highlight? | 21:43 |
| emagana | markmcclain: Not really! | 21:43 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: I was focused on the CI part, nothing to cover for docs | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | I wanted to find volunteers for reviewing our current dev docs and writing some more before we close the release cycle | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: awesome | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | I’m talking about the docs in devref in neutron source tree | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | I do want to highlight a spec in the doc program | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | I’ll go the mailing list but if you want to cooperate let me know know so I’ll ping you in the next few days. | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113597/ | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | Do we have any areas in devref that need attention? | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | or desired topics? | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | specifically it would go to get several cores to provide feedback to docs team | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | #topic L3 | 21:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: hi | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: hi | 21:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Still working through the experimental job that runs DVR. | 21:47 |
| carl_baldwin | There are just a couple of tests failing somewhat intermittently. | 21:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Otherwise, it has improved quite a lot. | 21:47 |
| carl_baldwin | The DVR backlog is trimming down as well. | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | nice to see the backlog getting smaller | 21:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Starting to shift some attention to L3 HA patches. Assaf has written a post to help reviewers which I will soon send out. | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:48 |
| carl_baldwin | Watch the ML for that. | 21:48 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that is all I have. The rest of the status is posted on the wiki. | 21:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks markmcclain | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: thanks for the update | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | #topic Advanced Services | 21:49 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: hi | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have updated the meeting wiki page | 21:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for all the bp specs that were approved, we have patches posted | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy to discuss that here, or yield time to other higher priority items | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | in the 9mins left let's run through the other teams | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for update | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: hi | 21:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: sure | 21:52 |
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| sc68cal | ello | 21:52 |
| dougwig | (can be back up to adv. services and get a flavors update?) | 21:52 |
| dougwig | /be/we | 21:52 |
| dougwig | is it in or out? | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: will be in | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: looks like we need reviews | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | yeah | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | we also are trying to get in contact with the NEC CI owner | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | to do a recheck | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106299/ | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | that's all I have | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal have reached out to amotoki for help contacting NEC CI owner? | 21:55 |
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| sc68cal | No I started by e-mailing the e-mail that is listed for it on Gerrit | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | ok.. ping amotoki too to see if he can assist | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: thanks for the update | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:55 |
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| rkukura | We are tracking reviews at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 21:56 |
| rkukura | Not much needs discussing here, I think | 21:56 |
| rkukura | That’s all I’ve got | 21:56 |
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| salv-orlando | rkukura: I will re-review the extensionpatch tomorrow - hopefully we’ll sort this out this week | 21:56 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: thanks | 21:57 |
| rkukura | also meant to thank banix for organizing the review tracking wiki | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I left questions on the spec earlier | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | still to much ambiguity that needs to be addressed | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I did not see them. I have way too many browser tabs open. | 21:57 |
| nlahouti | markmcclain: rkukura added reply to the comment | 21:57 |
| nlahouti | salv-orlando: it is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114412 | 21:58 |
| * markmcclain has too many tabs open too | 21:58 | |
| nlahouti | salv-orlando: that link has patch to the spec that markmcclain requested. | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | nlahouti: bookmarked | 21:59 |
| * markmcclain notes 1 minute left | 21:59 | |
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| markmcclain | we'll continue discussion on the review | 22:00 |
| nlahouti | salv-orlando: thx. I think you have link the the code review. | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | wha’t left on the agenda? | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 22:00 | |
| salv-orlando | please stay on lookout for failures in neutron full job. Report that promptly and tag them with neutron-full-job so we can stay on top of them | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | good reminder | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | as the number of patches pushed to gerrit increases the next few weeks | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | if you really want to be loved by the community provide a logstash trace and an e-r query | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | we need to be vigilant to ensure we don't cause gate backups | 22:01 |
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| dougwig | salv-orlando: do you have a writeup on how to get those two items? | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | otherwise rather than talking about neutron-incubator we’ll be talking about neutron, the openstack incubated project | 22:02 |
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| salv-orlando | dougwig: I have, it’s on the wiki, but I honestly don’t have a link at hand. | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: my google-fu is still strong -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronGateFailureTriage | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Lastly still meeting with folks in the community on updates to the proposed neutron-incubator changes | 22:03 |
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| markmcclain | and will post to list soon | 22:03 |
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| markmcclain | note I'll be using another address since DMARC puts my list emails straight to the spam folder on gmail | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | Have a great week all.. thanks for joining today | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gerrit is offline for project renames. ETA 1645." | 22:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 18 22:04:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-18-21.02.html | 22:04 |
| dougwig | o/ | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-18-21.02.txt | 22:04 |
| rkukura | bye | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-18-21.02.log.html | 22:04 |
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