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HenryGakamyshnikova, jlibosva, salv-orlando: hi12:59
jlibosvaakamyshnikova: welcome back :)12:59
HenryGEager beavers today :)12:59
HenryG#startmeeting neutron_db13:00
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HenryGI have no specific agenda for today, so ...13:00
HenryG#topic Open discussion13:00
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salv-orlandoso akamyshnikova has this patch with a -2 for mark.13:01
salv-orlandoI have briefly discussed the issue with him last week and we should converge for a consensus today.13:01
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HenryGsalv-orlando: Thanks!13:01
salv-orlandoI mean assuming that I find 30 minutes to talk with mark13:02
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, great to hear that!13:02
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salv-orlandothen we have another bit coming up which is removal of conditional logic for all migrations from havana to icehouse for which akamyshnikova’s patch is a requirement13:02
salv-orlandothen we’re done13:02
salv-orlandoassuming this elephant patch is approved:
salv-orlandoand no I’ve though about ways to split it but none made sense13:03
HenryGsalv-orlando: Yes, I have been trying to review that, but I keep falling asleep :)13:03
jlibosvaah, so I'm not the only one. good13:03
salv-orlandoand also it not super hard to review if you consider most of it is old migrations being removed13:03
akamyshnikovaI'll take a look at it13:03
salv-orlandoI suggest just to check that no migration past havana has been removed13:04
HenryGsalv-orlando: It's not hard, just boring13:04
salv-orlandorest assured that writing that code was even more boring13:04
salv-orlandoI feel asleep several times while doing it13:04
salv-orlandoanyway then we don’t have anything major re: migrations, with the exception of a few bug fixes already under review13:05
salv-orlandois that correct?13:05
HenryGYes, essentially13:05
akamyshnikovaI'll check this with my test with synchronization this may help13:06
HenryGThere are a couple of things that make some impact though13:06
HenryG1) clean autogenerate13:06
HenryG2) migration unit tests13:06
HenryGSo if we can get those in we will be in very good shape13:07
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akamyshnikovaI've done update of my changes, so there is two changes for merging that testing is based on13:08
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HenryGThanks akamyshnikova13:09
salv-orlandoHenryG: clean autogenearate has merged hasn’t it?13:09
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HenryGsalv-orlando: Not quite13:09
jlibosvathis one ?13:09
jlibosvasalv-orlando: there was a conflict in HEAD file13:10
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salv-orlandoHenryG:, jlibosva sorry I was confused with “removal of schema autogeneration"13:10
HenryGAnd the dependent patch13:10
salv-orlandowhich btw saw henry’s 9-month effort finally come to a conclusion13:10
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HenryGsalv-orlando: Yeah, that was a relief. (And that one has has surprisingly little backlash over the weekend)13:11
HenryGSo FYI the schema is now always built from migrations only.13:12
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HenryGAnd so the 1) and 2) items above are quite urgent13:13
HenryGThe patch series for 2) starts at
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HenryGOne more quick thing while we have salv-orlando's attention ...13:14
salv-orlando#1 is not a big deal. Should merge soon. We need to start reviewing #2 and I’ll try to get attention from one more core13:15
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HenryGthanks salv-orlando13:16
HenryGsalv-orlando: about
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salv-orlandoHenryG: honestly I need to look back at my plugin’s code. But since it’s passing the tests I think it’s fine...13:17
salv-orlandoso I’ll go for the extreme approach13:18
salv-orlandoI’ve approved the patch. So if now the NSX plugin breaks it’s up to me to fix it and you’re not held up anymore.13:18
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HenryGsalv-orlando: very noble and brave of you. Thanks!13:19
akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, thanks!13:19
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salv-orlandoHenryG: as I’ve seen it has passed CI it’s mostly recognizing I was nagging about nothing.13:19
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HenryGsalv-orlando: Sure, and as akamyshnikova pointed out, if a PK record is ever null then you should have seen errors before anyway13:20
HenryGsalv-orlando: So hopefully the change is a no-op13:21
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HenryGI can't think of anything else for today. The floor is open.13:22
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HenryGThanks everyone!13:24
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omrimCan someone help..please?14:30
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omrimHi, Can someone help..please?15:04
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NikitaKonovalov#startmeeting Storyboard15:10
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 18 15:10:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NikitaKonovalov. Information about MeetBot at
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NikitaKonovalov#topic Search15:11
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NikitaKonovalovkrotscheck is out of this meeting, so I'll just say that the search related changes have landed15:11
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jeblairi left a -1 on the current search spec; i think there's still something that i'm missing15:12
ttxNikitaKonovalov: can that be considered complete?15:12
NikitaKonovalovthe UI has not updated for some reason15:12
* NikitaKonovalov looking at jeblair's comments15:12
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ttxNikitaKonovalov: you skipped the first two items in the agenda15:13
ttxwhich may help in the "UI not updating" department15:13
jeblairbasically, i'm not sure about the fact that we have 3 search endpoints, and we'll need to hit all 3 to do a simple search15:13
jeblairttx: ah, ok, i'll bump those to the top of my list15:14
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NikitaKonovalovjeblair: the reason to have different endpoint is first of all to have a clear routing15:15
jeblairNikitaKonovalov: because of the "REST" model, you mean?15:15
NikitaKonovalovthe second reason is that the result respons contains objects of only one type15:15
NikitaKonovalovjeblair: yes15:16
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jeblairi'm not a rest expert, but i think that there must be a good solution to this.  imagine if the system were more complicated and we had 50 object types -- we really wouldn't want to do 50 api calls to search them15:16
jeblairi just think that most of the searches will be for comments, stories, and tasks, so most of the time we will end up doing 3 api calls for one search15:17
NikitaKonovalovwell, we may have one endpoint15:18
ttxthat sounds like a valid concern15:18
NikitaKonovalovbut still the number of the db_api call will stay the same15:19
jeblairfrom working on gertty, i've learned that in some situations, network lag is high enough that can be a real noticable effect (lifeless submitted a number of patches that reduce the number of api calls to improve the experience for his use)15:19
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jeblairNikitaKonovalov: yeah, that makes sense.  i'm mostly worried about adding network lag and making it difficult for api client users15:20
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NikitaKonovalovwe need more opinions I guess15:20
jeblairNikitaKonovalov: do you think having those 3 endpoints, but then also having a general endpoint that can return any kind of result would work?15:20
NikitaKonovalovjeblair: I think we can add this endpoint as an experimental and see how it workd15:22
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jeblairokay, thanks.  that's all i wanted to bring up on the subject.15:22
ttxmaybe come back to "Urgent Items" and "Discussion topics" ?15:23
NikitaKonovalov#topic Urgent items15:23
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NikitaKonovalovStoryBoard WebClient no longer updating15:23
ttxSo there seems to be two reviews up to fix this, jeblair said he would prioritize them up15:24
ttxNot sure there is much more to discuss on that15:24
ttxat least not at this point15:24
NikitaKonovalovlooks like we need infra reviewers there15:24
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jeblairyeah, i'll poke people today15:25
jeblairbut i have a new urgent item15:25
jeblair1 second15:26
jeblairthat's the traceback from when i tried to create a story yesterday15:26
jeblairi think there's a problem with rabbitmq?15:27
ttxOr a bug in
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NikitaKonovalovare the notifications enabled right now?15:28
ttxdefault might be enable_notifications = True15:29
ttxerr, no it's Flase15:29
jeblairenable_notifications = True15:29
jeblairon the server15:29
ttxdo we even have rabbit on the server-side? /me is slightly out of touch15:30
jeblairi believe so15:30
jeblairclosing AMQP connection <0.20405.0> ( ->
jeblairthat shows up a few times in the rabbitmq log15:31
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jeblairclosing AMQP connection <0.10791.0> ( ->
jeblairalso that15:31
ttxmaybe the code is not very resilient to connection drops15:32
jeblairi'm not sure if those are normal or not.  but on the python side, i wouldn't be surprised if we were trying to use a closed connection15:32
jeblairttx: yeah15:32
ttxjeblair: it's not as if we did not encounter this issue on other openstack projects15:32
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jeblairttx: have they solved it yet?  :)15:32
ttxMaybe we should have used oslo.messaging after all :P15:33
NikitaKonovalovso the workaroud is to switch notifications off untill there is a better workaround?15:33
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ttxNikitaKonovalov: that sounds like a valid workaround yes15:33
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ttxBut then it might make sense to check if it's a one-off15:34
jeblairyeah, sounds like we should do some local testing where we break connections, and let them time out, etc, to make sure the rabbit stuff is resilient15:34
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jeblairttx: i can restart everything and see if that fixes it, and then see if we notice the problem again in a few days15:34
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ttxjeblair: your call15:34
Ish__I ll look into this. I didn’t face such issues.15:35
ttxi'm fine with either... didn't even know notifications were running :)15:35
jeblairi'll do that.  i don't want to keep doing it if it's really broken, but i'm fine doing it once or twice to collect more info15:35
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ttxok, so we restart and see, and in the meantime Ish__ looks up the code to see if there could be failure conditions in that area15:36
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NikitaKonovalovok, so any other urgent items?15:36
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jeblairi restarted rabbitmq and apache, and then was able to file that ^15:37
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jeblairno idea why i left the paste link; /me updates with actual traceback15:39
NikitaKonovalovso the obvious change to be done here is to handle rabbit disconnects15:39
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NikitaKonovalovIsh__: will you take that?15:39
Ish__ also needs to be reviewed.15:40
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ttxNikitaKonovalov: next topic?15:41
NikitaKonovalov#topic MVP 1.1: LP data import15:42
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ttxthere was a related question in "discussion topics" on the agenda15:42
ttx"What do we do when a launchpad project has successfully migrated, but someone submits a ticket in launchpad? "15:42
ttxI think we would close the Launchpad project15:42
ttxonce migration is completed15:42
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ttxor at least disable the bug side15:43
jeblairttx: ++15:43
NikitaKonovalovttx: looks like an easy solution, +115:43
ttxjeblair: we also move closed items, right15:43
jeblairthat suggests that someday we'll probably want to be able to disable a project in storyboard too, but not for a while i hope :)15:44
ttxnote that the current migration would lose info if applied to a more... traditional project15:44
ttxbut it should work fine for at least infra, QA, oslo...15:44
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ttxwhich do not rely on "milestones" that much15:44
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ttxotherwise the review from mordred is just waiting for Nikita to revise his -115:45
ttxand then we can Workflow+115:45
ttxtat's all I had on that topic15:45
ttxreview at
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ttxok will +115:47
reedone step closer :)15:47
NikitaKonovalov#topic MVP 1.1:Subscriptions15:47
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ttxreed: one step beyond!15:47
NikitaKonovalovany news, except the rabbit problem?15:48
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Ish__NikitaKonovalov:  I have heartbeats disabled in my rabbitmq configuration file.15:49
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Ish__I think this has to be done in the server aswell so that we will not face that issue again.15:50
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NikitaKonovalovok, I have seen the WIP change from krotscheck for subscriptions UI15:52
NikitaKonovalovso we are waiting for him to complete it15:52
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NikitaKonovalov#topic MVP 1.1:Tags15:53
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NikitaKonovalovI've got 2 changes for the db_api and rest controller15:54
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NikitaKonovalov and
NikitaKonovalovSo reviewers are welcome15:55
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NikitaKonovalovand the last MVP topic15:56
NikitaKonovalov#topic MVP 1.1:Emails15:56
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NikitaKonovalovDo we need a spec for it?15:57
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NikitaKonovalovttx, jeblair ^^15:58
ttxNikitaKonovalov: I think so. I have no idea what is behind this15:58
jeblairi think it might be a good idea15:58
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ttxso i don't feel like I'm the right person to spec it15:58
jeblairi think we'll want to hash out when to send emails and what to include, and a spec is probably a good place for that15:58
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ttxI would be fine with the system not supporting email, but tha's just me15:59
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NikitaKonovalovso we are out of time anyway15:59
NikitaKonovalovthanks everyone15:59
jeblairwell, this was a useful and not-short meeting after all :)  thanks NikitaKonovalov16:00
ttxthanks NikitaKonovalov !16:00
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 18 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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rakhmerovhey :)16:00
NikolayMhi !16:00
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rakhmerovas usually, let's wait one more minute16:01
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rakhmerovin the meantime I'll remind the agenda16:01
rakhmerov1. Review action items16:01
rakhmerov2. Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks)16:01
rakhmerov3. Further plans16:01
rakhmerov4. Release 0.1 scope (BPs and bugs)16:01
rakhmerov5. Open discussion16:01
rakhmerovhi )16:01
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rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:02
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rakhmerovwe didn't have any action items last time16:02
dziminelast time was fast and easy :)16:02
rakhmerov#topic Current Status16:03
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rakhmerovyeah )16:03
rakhmerovit was my favourite meeting ever )16:03
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akuznetsovalast week I worked on mistral-workflow-execution-tests blueprint16:04
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rakhmerovmy status: 1) finished several important things including reverse workflow, data flow integration, linear workflow and a bunch of fixes in specifications and DB models, now I am working on putting all things together: end-to-end testing of more complex workflow with cross-workflow calls16:05
rakhmerovakuznetsova, ok, cool16:05
rakhmerovone more important thing we did: we played 'planning poker' with Nikolay and estimated the time scope for all the BPs now scheduled for 0.1 released16:06
dzimine#info: dzimine  - we reviewed and agreed on 0.1 scope. Other - reviews. No code contrib on my side. This week - looking into DSL and design for handling multiple data values. Got an idea, target to share it by tonight.16:06
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rakhmerovok, very cool16:06
NikolayMI worked on openstack-actions blueprint, also did some integration tests16:06
rakhmerovyep, cool16:07
NikolayMooh, yes16:07
NikolayMwe planned all blueprints with Renat16:07
rakhmerovNikolayM, were you able to fix your integration tests today?16:07
dzimineNikolayM: the openstack tasks are cool indeed.16:07
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rakhmerovI didn't have time to look at them in the evening16:07
rakhmerovyes, great work, Nikolay!16:08
NikolayMyes, I've already fixed it16:08
rakhmerov#topic Further Plans16:08
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dzimineI meant to ask: how do you generate the .json of the actions?16:08
rakhmerovI guess we've mostly already told about our further plans16:08
akuznetsovarakhmerov, I looked through our workflows in resources folder and covered the most appropriate, so we need to discuss which scenarios should be covered more16:08
rakhmerovakuznetsova, ok, let's skype tomorrow and talk about it16:09
akuznetsovarakhmerov, ok16:09
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dzimine@rakhmerov: I think we need a second workflow handler to see two at play. It doesn’t have to be a big and real, a fake handler which knows to only handle one task might do.16:10
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, skype on Tue with Nastya about integration testing scenarious16:10
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rakhmerovdzimine, fake handler is a cool idea actually16:10
rakhmerovalthough I already implemented both linear and reverse16:11
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dzimineoh you implemented linear, sorry I am behind on reviews.16:11
rakhmerovI committed linear today16:11
rakhmerov:)) np16:11
dziminelinear, or direct?16:11
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dzimineI’ll take a look never mind.16:11
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rakhmerovI called it linear for now even though I don't fully like this name16:11
rakhmerovbecause strictly speaking it's not linear, it can also be parallel if needed16:12
rakhmerovbut just didn't come up with a better term so far16:12
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rakhmerovwe can change it any time16:12
rakhmerovso I'm open to any suggestions16:12
dziminethe proper name is “arbitrary directed graph”16:13
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dzimineand we save “linear” for “sequentual linear”, and can also implement “strictly parallel".16:13
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dzimineor cross out “linear” all together: at the end we have “reverse”, “sequential”, “direct”, and “parallel".16:14
rakhmerovthe only thing I haven't fully implemented so far is stopping and resuming, it's not too important right now, deferred it for a little bit16:14
rakhmerovyeah, may be16:14
rakhmerovfor some reason I don't really like "direct" too16:14
rakhmeroveven though it's more consistent I think with "reverse", right?16:14
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rakhmerovnot sure I understand16:15
rakhmerovwhat's the diff between "sequential", "direct" and "parallel"?16:15
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akuznetsovaAm I right, that reverse workflow can be “sequential” and "parallel" ?16:16
rakhmerovI think we don't need to implement truly linear workflow, it's just a subset of what might be called "parallel"16:16
rakhmerovakuznetsova, mmmm... not really16:16
rakhmerovreverse workflow (as we call it now) is a workflow based on task dependencies only16:17
rakhmerovpretty much like make files look like, or ant (if you're familiar with Java)16:17
akuznetsovaso, what is "direct/linear" workflow?16:17
dziminedifferent types of workflows make different trade-offs. They may have similar properties, but they may be expresssed differently16:18
rakhmerov"direct/linear" is when taskA completes and after that we decide what next tasks should run based on certain conditions16:18
rakhmerovdzimine, true16:19
dziminedirect workflow is when user explicitly defines the sequence, starting from the first task, and on, with keywords like “on-success”, on-failure, on-completion.16:19
dziminedirect workflow IMPLIES that many tasks can be executed in parallel, if dependencies are resolved.16:19
dzimineIt’s powerful and convinient but may turn out pretty complex once many forks happen.16:20
rakhmerovso your suggestion would be to rename what I named "linear" to "direct", right?16:20
akuznetsovadzimine, rakhmerov  thanks16:20
rakhmerovooh, trade-offs16:21
rakhmerovI think I see now what you mean16:21
dzimine‘sequential’ workflow - IMO we’ll need it to offer simple straightforward syntax - it’s the flow which executes tasks in strict sequence, one at a time. Pros: siimpler syntax, transparency - look at file, tasks executed in the order of appearance in the file. For 80% of automation tasks it will be enough :)16:21
rakhmerovso you mean that in some scenarios we may want to switch off 'parallelism' at all to gain some performance improvement16:22
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rakhmerovI see now16:23
rakhmerovthen I think we need to rename "linear" to "direct" now16:23
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rakhmerovand then decide what other explicit workflow types we need16:24
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, rename the current "linear" workflow type to "direct" and discuss with the team what other workflow types may be needed16:24
dzimineIt will be a killer when it comes to calling workflows from workflows.16:25
dzimineAnd once we are talking “renames”, I please ask you all to consider renaming “finish”->”complete” across the whole project.16:25
rakhmerovyou mean "on-finish"?16:26
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akuznetsovawhat is the point ?16:27
rakhmerovjust better english, in fact16:27
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dzimine"Some say there is no difference between complete and finished. Please explain the difference between complete and finished in a way that is easy to understand."16:28
dzimineHis astute answer: "When you marry the right woman, you are complete. But, when you marry the wrong woman, you are finished. If the right one catches you with the wrong one, you are completely finished."16:28
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rakhmerovyeah-yeah, that's really cool :))16:28
rakhmerovI don't Mistral to be finished :))16:29
rakhmerovI want it to be complete )16:29
NikolayM:) )))16:29
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dziminecomplete is 1) more common in similar cases and 2) it’s both adj and verb, thus we can have STATUS=COMPLETE (not FINISed), on-complete (not on-finished) 3) finish is a noun and verb, and we never use “noun” form of it.16:30
dzimineAnyways, I am just picky :)16:30
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, nmakhotkin: when doing renamings make sure to rename "finish" to "complete (
rakhmerovthat's fine16:31
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rakhmerovI insist that you continue to be picky :)16:31
rakhmerov#topic Release 0.1 scope (BPs and bugs)16:32
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rakhmeroveven though we pretty much agreed on the scope I decided to include it into today's agenda to have a chance to make some corrections if we need to16:32
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rakhmerovthis is the link:
dzimineok, let’s glance over and see.16:33
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rakhmerovso I suggest that we look at it now one more time16:34
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rakhmerovas I said before we estimated these BPs with Nikolay and here is the more detailed estimation with task breakdown:
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rakhmerovdzimine, ok16:36
rakhmerovas you suggested I removed "join" from 0.116:36
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rakhmerovthe main goal is to finish all the main capabilities and polish the new architecture16:37
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rakhmerovone specific question that I have is "we definitely won't be able to include all desired V2 capabilities into 0.1 release. So what do we do next? Just announce it's only a part of v2 or say 0.2 release will include API v3?"16:38
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rakhmerovthe last option is kind of scary to me )16:38
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dziminethe delayed-messagin is the only thing I don’t agree on high prio.16:39
rakhmerovI think the most reasonable way is to design it so that all additions would for a superset of what we'll deliver in 0.116:39
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dzimineMay be you can see it better from the new implementation’s standpoint.16:40
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rakhmerovdzimine, Nikolay already started wokring on it16:40
rakhmerovit shouldn't be too hard even though oslo.messaging is not the best friend in this :)16:41
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rakhmerovdzimine, maybe you're right16:41
dzimineJust announce it's only a part of v2 to me sounds better than 0.2 will have v3 API16:41
rakhmerovI'm just thinking about how we're going to announce 0.1 release16:41
rakhmerovyes, absolutely16:41
dzimineThe question is do we reach functional parity with the 0.0.216:42
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dziminewith the current. If we do, we are good.16:42
rakhmerovright, the most important thing is that following changes should be backwards compatible16:42
dzimineif we don’t, admit it and say 0.2 will be the point.16:42
rakhmerovso what do you mean by "parity" precisely?16:43
rakhmerovyou mean all those capabilities or backwards compatible API?16:43
rakhmerovif API then no, it's impossible16:43
rakhmerovas far as capabilities, the only thing I see now is triggers: we didn't really schedule them for 0.1. All the rest should be implemented16:44
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rakhmerovand we're going to deliver even more actually in 0.1 (e.g. workflows from workflows, multiple workflows, policies etc.)16:45
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dzimineI mean functional parity, which is everything you can do with 0.02 you can also do with 0.116:46
rakhmerovyes, I think it will be done16:47
dzimineSo that there is nothing you can not do with 0.1 which is possible in the previous version.16:47
rakhmerovyes, except triggers16:47
dzimineAt this point we can depricate the previous functionality.16:47
rakhmerovI'd love to do that16:47
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dzimineTriggers don’t bother me - not currently used much.16:47
rakhmerovbtw, there will be some interesting changes in them too16:48
rakhmerovbut that's for later, maybe for 0.216:48
rakhmerovwe at Mirantis find them pretty interesting long-term feature rather16:48
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rakhmerovso, it's decided16:49
dziminefolks do we already have a blueprint for multiple task invocations?16:49
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rakhmerovyou mean
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dzimineyes thank you.16:51
rakhmerovwe don't have it scheduled for 0.116:51
rakhmerovis it fine? I excluded it from 0.1 because we didn't really see how it should be design from DSL perspective16:52
dzimineno. Just it’s my delivery to have a DSL idea for this.16:52
rakhmerovso it seemed to risky within this time frame16:52
rakhmerovI think it's ok, because design of this feature may affect everything else16:53
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rakhmerovthat's why I think we need to come up with ideas asap16:53
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rakhmerovif we feel comfortable at the and of this cycle we may want to try implementing it, but not really sure16:54
rakhmerovonly if folks from Stackstorm help us :)16:54
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rakhmerovok, anything else?16:55
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rakhmerovgood discussion today16:55
rakhmerov4 mins left16:55
akuznetsovanot from my side16:56
rakhmerovI'm personally out of ammo and ready to shut down the meeting16:56
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rakhmerovok, guys, thanks! Thanks Dmitri!16:56
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sarob_And here we go!16:59
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sarob_Roll call17:00
sarob_Evening and morning17:00
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dbitemorning, evening17:00
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sarob_#topic training docs update17:01
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dbitehosted a hangout with Comcast team on Friday 15th Aug17:01
dbitealso, Icehouse stable seems pretty close, docs will be ready for Icehouse release by end of August17:02
annegentlesweet dbite niceone17:02
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dbitethanks, I got lot of help from the community :)17:02
dbitenot much to discuss for the docs section this time, any questions or ideas?17:03
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annegentlenothing here17:03
sarob_So the two etherpads you were using for planning17:04
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sarob_Are all complete? Or mostly ?17:04
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dbitethe first one was for basic-install-guides (for Icehouse release)17:04
dbiteits under transition, should be completed soon17:05
dbiteI have to push the patch17:05
dbitethe other one is for Juno, which is in sync with install-guides17:05
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dbitethere is time for this one17:05
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sarob_Okay which one?17:06
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annegentletime for Juno I'd guess :)17:06
dbiteyes Juno17:06
dbitethe Icehouse etherpad should be completed soon17:06
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annegentlesorry to meet-n-dash but I have to drive for a bit -- ping me if you need anything17:07
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sarob_Okay sounds good17:07
dbiteannegentle: sure17:07
sarob_Annegentle okay17:07
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sarob_Moving on17:08
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sarob_#topic infrastructure17:08
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rluethiscript development chugging along; controller and compute node should be done; network node is not quite finished yet17:09
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sarob_Rluethi: good progress17:09
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dbite rluethi: nice job ;)17:10
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sarob_Rluethi: I have some renewed interest from hp17:10
rluethisarob: ?17:10
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sarob_In getting involved through rick Evans17:11
sarob_Rick is helping with the sfbay user group17:11
sarob_As a trainer17:11
rluethisarob: involved doing what? training? scripts?17:11
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sarob_Training using theatricals17:12
sarob_Spell chk he'll17:12
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sarob_Training using the materials17:12
rluethihow to install openstack, a story in expressive dance.17:13
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sarob_Openstack the play on broadway is next17:13
rluethiI hope we'll have something useful next week.17:13
rluethialpha quality, but useable. what do you say, dbite?17:14
matjazpexpressive dance.. well that one novel way to engage new community members :)17:14
dbitealpha would be good description17:14
sarob_Rick will have more ammo to get other hp trainers involved with our dance17:14
dbitewe need a week atleast to get it to beta quality17:14
dbiteand some more testing to finalize it17:14
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sarob_Rick will test as well17:15
rluethiI just hope that networking and virtualization on virtualbox are holding up.17:15
matjazprluethi: just ping when we can all start testing again17:15
sarob_I'll be on the road so not a lot from me17:15
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rluethimatjazp: will do, thanks!17:15
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sarob_Rluethi really appreciate you getting this done17:16
matjazprluethi: It's bash scripts first, Vagrant later, right?17:16
sarob_Rluethi very big deal17:16
rluethimatjazp: I try to keep Vagrant working, I think it still does, but some features will be missing (snapshotting).17:16
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rluethimatjazp: but I test regularly on Windows, so that should still work.17:17
matjazprluethi: np, maybe just update readme with this info17:17
sarob_Time to move on?17:18
* rluethi nods17:18
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sarob_#topic testing17:19
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matjazpI'm working on quizzes for associate guide17:19
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sarob_Matjazp: nice17:19
matjazpnow that sarob has pushed reed's patch I can also start to work on slides17:20
matjazpjust write them in RST, and well see the epicslide/landslide isssue later, rihght?17:20
dbitesarob_: I got landslide's html ppts. converted to pdf using python's library17:20
sarob_Dbite: really?17:21
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dbiteusing pdfkit17:21
matjazpdbite: cool... no PrinceXML right?17:21
sayaliimpress.js didn't work out too well17:21
sarob_Dbite: goodness17:21
dbitesimple python program, converts the html to pdf17:21
dbiteso we could write a simple python script which does the conversion17:22
* sarob_ sarob like simple17:22
dbiteso we can proceed with reed's style17:22
* dbite agrees17:22
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sarob_Dbite: so let's merge
rluethithere's the dependency on wkhtmltopdf, but it's available for many platforms.17:22
sarob_Dbite: your +2 is needed17:22
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matjazpdbite: I think you must remove -2 on that review?17:23
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dbite+2 it is17:23
sarob_#info pypi pdfkit is the solution to our rst to17:24
matjazpalso... maybe we should all confirm bugs? we have 19 new bugs17:24
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sarob_We hijacked your part of the meet17:24
matjazpnp... I'm more than interested in the slide issues ...17:25
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sarob_Matjazp: can you get done with the assoc quiz updated this month?17:26
matjazpsarob_: yes, thats the plan17:26
matjazpsarob_: at least 5 quizz questions for all chapters17:26
matjazpsarob_: later we can add/refine17:27
sarob_#action matjazp update associate quizzes with 5 questions for each chapter17:27
sarob_Matjazp sounds awesome17:27
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sarob_#topic upstream training17:28
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sarob_So we are good on merging the current patch17:28
sarob_So we are good with the structure for now17:28
matjazpyes, lets start the ball rolling :)17:28
dbiteI will work on the python scripts for building the pdf files17:28
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matjazpsarob_: we can start with one file for each chapter of each guide? Like Upstream's material17:29
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sarob_Matjazp: sounds good. I'm not17:29
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sarob_Matjazp: familiar with pdfkit yet so let's start there17:30
rluethisomeone should try pdfkit on mac. just to make sure the dependencies are easy enough to get.17:31
matjazpsarob_: well this is more like infra issue, it can be done in parallel to the content17:31
dbitesarob_ I will push initial patch soon using pdfkit17:31
dbiterluethi: we dont need pdfkit on mac17:31
sarob_Dbite: sounds good17:31
dbiteour main aim is to provide automatic way to convert pdf17:31
rluethimac was the problem with epicslide.17:31
dbiteso that it is provided via. the website17:31
matjazpdbite: exactly... wee just need PDFs on OpenStacks's site17:32 or the web portal for upstream project17:32
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dbiterest, the html files are also provided on the website17:32
dbitematjazp: I agree17:32
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sarob_Moving on then17:33
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sarob_#Topic any other business17:33
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dbiteim good17:34
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sarob_Excellent progress team17:34
dbitesarob_: thanks :)17:35
sarob_Matjazp rluethi any thing else?17:35
matjazpnot from me17:36
rluethiI'm good, too.17:36
sarob_Any one else that hasn't spoken up?17:36
MeganRI'm good  :)17:36
sayaliNope all good17:36
sarob_Good work everyone17:37
sarob_I'm calling this a wrap.17:37
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sarob_A great day / evening!17:38
rluethibye everyone.17:38
sarob_To all17:38
matjazpbye all17:38
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party18:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 18 18:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'18:00
anteayahello and welcome18:00
lyxusHello !18:00
swestonHello !18:00
anteayado show yourselves if you are here18:00
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anteayagreat thank you18:01
anteayaoff we go18:01
anteayatoday's agenda18:01
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anteaya#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:01
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anteaya#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:02
anteayafor those of you for whom this might be your first meeting, being aware of the OpenStack mission is helpful18:02
anteayaand welcome18:02
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anteayanext topic18:02
anteaya#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:02
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* krtaylor is thankful for anteaya running the meeting this week18:03
anteayathere were two items from last week's meeting18:03
anteaya:D thanks to you krtaylor for doing such a great job chairing the last month or so of meetings18:03
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anteayait makes is so much easier to have someone to share with, you do a great job18:03
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krtaylornice to see huge crowd today!18:04
anteaya#info third-party review and sync in infra on
* krtaylor blushes18:04
anteayaso we are working on getting the ci modules to a more consumable state18:04
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krtaylorI created an action for all to review puppet module split18:05
anteayato that end we are going to identify patches to review to help that effort18:05
anteayathis is one18:05
krtayloryep, yet to review that one myself18:05
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anteayaand the latest patchset looks like it could use some reviews18:05
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anteayaso let's action that for this week as well18:05
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anteayawhen I say we should review something, show of hands who knows what I mean?18:06
anteaya#action third party team to review
anteayathere has got to be more attendees who know how to review18:06
anteayaI know you are there18:06
dougwigi'm not familiar with puppet, nor if splitting is best practices.  my review wouldn't be useful.18:07
anteayanot much sense to put out a call to review if folks don't know how to review18:07
krtayloranteaya, as always, it would be nice for the third-party tag, but in this case, it is secondary, can we add multiple tags with -t?18:07
krtaylorit may be that some don't know the interest as it applies here18:07
anteayadougwig: I disagree, can you identify a spelling mistake or a whitespace error?18:07
anteayadougwig: if yes, your review is helpful18:07
dougwigi'm happy to do that.18:07
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daya_kdo we review with a +1 if we agree with the item?18:07
anteayakrtaylor: no I don't think we can add multilple topics, let me think on that18:08
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e0nedaya_k: yes18:08
anteayadougwig: great thanks, I look forward to your review18:08
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anteayanext item from last week18:08
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krtaylordaya_k, looks good to me (+1) or if you see a problem, you add a comment and -118:08
anteaya#info joa and krtaylor to discuss doc improvement sections to focus on18:08
anteayaso joa can't make today's meeting18:09
* krtaylor I'll go play with -t and multiple tags18:09
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krtayloranteaya, joa never pinged, I should have followed up18:09
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anteayaand he is caught in the void between the infra-manual repo and config/third-party.rst18:09
anteayaso I will help him out18:09
anteayahe just in in -infra 10 minutes ago18:09
krtaylorhe was looking for advice on how to bust up what he has into reviewable sections18:09
anteayaand will offer some patches to config based on his work, with him as co-author this week18:10
anteaya#action anteaya to offer joa's work as config patches with joa as co-author by next meeting18:10
anteayaI'll need some reviews from folks18:10
anteayanext topic18:10
anteaya#topic Announcements18:10
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anteayathis is me18:11
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anteaya#info Avoid comment generator scripts (anteaya)18:11
anteayasalv-orlando: would you like to share your thoughts here?18:11
dougwigcan you expand on what that means?18:11
anteayaso the vmware ci had an issue and had to reboot, losing its queue18:12
sc68cal_Ah, I think I can jump in here as well - we have an ipv6 patch that is trying to re-trigger NEC CI18:12
salv-orlandoI think I should apologise publicly again? Yeah our ci had a script that did recheck by pushing ‘recheck’ comments to gerrit18:12
anteayaso it used a generator script to mass comment on patches in gerrit to recheck theim with their system18:12
anteayasalv-orlando: no apology necessary, just a look so other folks avoid the problem18:12
salv-orlandothis script was ran on all openstack/nova patches in the CI build’s queue.18:12
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kevinbentonmass retries should be internally triggered with no public side effects other than a new vote when finished, right?18:13
salv-orlandoApart from annoying people with an extra comment coming from nowhere, this also had a side issue which was totally our fault.18:13
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salv-orlandoWe missed the email where we said that recheck.* is a verboten namespace for rechecks18:13
salv-orlandoand ended up pushing all those patches upstream as well to zuul18:13
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dougwigis it still ok to do manually on an occasional basis, or do we need internal mechanisms for anything we re-trigger?18:14
salv-orlandoat the end of the day minesweeper choked zuul, and the account was disabled.18:14
anteayadougwig: manual is fine18:14
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salv-orlandoso if you have a similar mechanism for recheck and more importantly if you use recheck* for doing rechecks you are at risk of being disabled at any moment18:14
anteayayeah so the point is the automation of comments ended up taking out openstack's zuul18:14
anteayaand more importantly bringing down infra18:15
anteayaso please don't do that18:15
anteayaonce we can handle as a learning item, so let's learn18:15
anteayamore than once and we risk mutiny18:15
anteayaso let's not do that18:15
salv-orlandowhat anteaya is saying happened because the pattern was recheck-vmware. Now.^.*recheck.*$ triggers zuul18:15
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dougwigdo we have a recommended syntax for 3rd party retriggers?18:16
anteayaalso the point is automation can provide a ddos very quickly18:16
anteayadougwig: we are working on that18:16
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anteayadougwig: would you like to add that to the infra team meeting tomorrow so we can discuss it18:16
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sc68cal_anteaya: what can devs do in the meantime for retriggering specific CIs that are blocking work?18:16
anteayait is a discussion item but we haven't reached consensus yet18:16
* sc68cal_ feels bad for being pushy18:17
anteayasc68cal_: good question, I have to be honest and say I don't currently know the safe way to do that18:17
anteayasc68cal_: never feel bad for being pushy18:17
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anteayabetter than staying quiet and wreaking havoc18:17
sc68cal_anteaya: OK - do you have that link handy for the contact info for 3rd party CI contacts?18:17
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sc68cal_I had it at some point but lost it :(18:17
kevinbentonisn’t manually retriggering still fine? sc68cal_, anteaya18:17
salv-orlandosc68cal_: maybe for vmware I’ll try “"Bibbidi bobbidi boo!””18:17
dougwiganteaya: sure.  i'm not picky on what it is, as long as we do something to retrigger without affecting openstack jenkins.18:17
sc68cal_salv-orlando: lol :)18:17
anteayasc68cal_: can you ask in -infra and report back if you learn before the top of the hour?18:17
anteayakevinbenton: manual retrigger is fine18:18
sc68cal_anteaya: sure - thank you :)18:18
* krtaylor looks for sdague's recheck proposal18:18
anteayakevinbenton: since even if you do an oops it is one oops, not 60018:18
anteayasalv-orlando: I like it18:18
anteayadougwig: agreed18:18
dougwigi think we're going to see a lot of creative retrigger prefixes in the short-term.  :)18:18
anteayadougwig: and right now I don't know what that is18:18
anteayakrtaylor: that is more of the conversation, not the decision about what the safe way is yet18:19
krtaylorlots of discussion on that topic18:19
kevinbentonanteaya: right. so if sc68cal_ is blocked by a negative he can just issue rechecks on that one safely18:19
krtayloranteaya, just posted for background18:19
anteayadougwig: unfortunatly, which is why if you can add an item to the infra agenda it would help many others18:19
anteayakrtaylor: right, thank you18:19
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anteayakevinbenton: yes18:19
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anteayaso more here or moving on for the moment?18:20
anteayaallowing sc68cal_ to chime in if he gets an answer18:20
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anteayasorry this was supposed to be under announcements as well18:20
anteaya#info Helping out on the mailing list18:20
anteayait would be great if people could help out on the mailing list18:21
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anteayasome have and it is great to see, thank you18:21
e0neanteaya: thanks for raising this topic on meeting18:21
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sc68cal_I'm just going to shoot an e-mail to the e-mail address the NEC CI account is listed as - and hope for the best :-\18:21
anteayathis item currently needs some attention and a response from cinder18:21
anteayajungleboyj: can you take it?18:22
jungleboyjDid someone say Cinder?18:22
anteayae0ne: my pleasure18:22
anteayajungleboyj: yes the above linked email needs your attention18:22
e0nejungleboyj: yep:)18:22
anteayajungleboyj: can you reply?18:22
anteayasc68cal_: go you18:22
kevinbentonsc68cal_: amotoki handles NEC if that’s what you are looking for...18:22
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sc68cal_anteaya: kevinbenton: thanks :)18:23
jungleboyjanteaya: Yeah, I can follow up on that e-mail.18:23
asselinanteaya, I don't think this is a cinder question but an infra question18:23
anteayajungleboyj: thank you18:23
e0nei'm not sure thas such issue is onlu cinder related. maybe neutron too18:23
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jungleboyjanteaya: Wait, asselin is right.18:23
anteayaasselin: please expand18:23
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asselinanteaya, the question is how to configure zuul to limit which patches it checks to a file being changed18:23
anteayaasselin: great, do you have any knowledge you can share to help find an answer to that question?18:24
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asselinrule: when change includes file_regex, run test18:24
anteayaor does anyone else?18:24
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jungleboyjOk, so it sounds like you have that one asselin ?18:24
asselinanteaya, no, but I'm also interested in the answer :)18:24
anteayathere is a lot of knowledge in this group about how to run a ci18:24
anteayadoes anyone in channel have even a bit of info to respond to this email?18:25
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anteayasince waiting for infra to answer may take some time18:25
salv-orlandoasselin: I’m sure zuul/layout.xaml or some similar file have a section where you configure a filter similar to those of a jenkins’s gerrit trigger18:25
asselinwell I can take the action to ask -infra how to do it, if it's even possible today.It's possible that feature is not supporeted18:25
salv-orlando* layout.yaml18:25
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dougwigi'm currently running against all commits, because i haven't had a chance to run this down.  i'd love an example as well.18:25
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anteayaasselin: thanks, that will be a help indeed18:26
e0neasselin: is it ok to have one ci for two or more proejects? in my case it is cinder and nova18:26
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dougwigi think it's Jobs -> Files, but i haven't tested it.18:26
anteaya#action asselin to ask infra about zuul configration to filter patches18:26
anteayaasselin: did I get that right?18:26
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asselinsalv-orlando, yes, I noticed this recent patch is similar idea, (wait for jenkins +1 before running) which is nice for 3rd party as well:
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salv-orlandoanteaya: I can confirm it’s zuul/layout.yaml in oepnstack-infra/config18:27
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anteayasalv-orlando: thanks18:27
asselinyes, filter patches on changed files18:27
salv-orlandothere is a section for configuring the gerrit trigger on each pipeline18:27
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anteayaasselin: great, are you also willing to reply to the email with what you learn or would you like someone else to?18:27
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asselinanteaya, sure18:27
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krtaylore0ne, yes, one account can test multiple projects, does that answer your question?18:28
anteaya#action asselin to reply to with what he learns18:28
e0nekrtaylor, yes, thanks18:28
krtaylore0ne, let's bring it up in the open discussion18:28
anteayamore on this or moving on?18:28
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krtaylore0ne, oh, ok, nm18:28
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anteayaokay moving on18:28
anteaya#topic OpenStack Program items18:29
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anteaya#info Review Nova requirements progress and timeline (jaypipes)18:29
anteayajaypipes: you're up18:29
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anteayahello jaypipes :D18:29
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krtaylorjaypipes, thanks, was just looking for brief summary state and timeline, ect18:30
jaypipesanteaya: not sure there's all that much to discuss. basically, dansmith put together the above link, and it was discussed at the nova mid-cycle meetup. nobody had any problems with the requirements as listed on the above wiki page.18:30
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anteayajaypipes: great18:30
jaypipesanteaya, krtaylor: no timeline AFAIK.18:30
anteayathanks for bringing it here so we know as well18:30
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anteayajaypipes: so there isn't much of a description on the page18:31
anteayacan you share a bit of context for the travel weary?18:31
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krtaylorright, not much for when this would be a hypervisor minimum set of functionality18:32
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krtaylorI was wanting to discuss here as that is also tied to testing18:32
krtaylorbut, prob only interesting to those testing nova drivers18:32
jaypipesI don't know that information, unfortunately. I think Mikal is the arbiter of that.18:32
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anteayajaypipes: ah okay18:33
anteayaanyone implimenting testing for nova drivers with questions?18:33
jaypipesanteaya: I'm sorry. It's still something under active discussion what exactly the rigid requirements are for a virt driver staying in tree.18:33
anteayajaypipes: ah okay great18:33
anteayajaypipes: thanks for the early heads up18:33
anteayaso if folks have a stake in this, be sure to participate in the discussion18:34
krtaylorjaypipes, thanks18:34
anteayaall the usual places, I presume? irc, ml, meetings, correct jaypipes?18:34
jaypipesanteaya: ML, followed by IRC, yeah.18:35
anteayajaypipes: great thanks18:35
anteayaany more here?18:35
jaypipesanteaya: the "fair standards for all hypervisors" ML thread speciically18:35
anteayajaypipes: ah yes, of course18:35
anteayaanyone with a quick link to the parent post of that thread for the logs?18:35
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* krtaylor looks18:35
jaypipesone sec, will do.18:35
anteayathanks jaypipes18:36
jaypipesit spans both months/18:36
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anteayajaypipes: yes, a chewy chat indeed18:37
anteayaokay any objection to moving to the next topic?18:37
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anteayanext topic it is18:37
anteaya#topic Deadlines & Deprecations18:37
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anteaya#info Cinder update (jungleboyj)18:38
anteayajungleboyj: your floor18:38
jungleboyjanteaya: Thank you.18:38
jungleboyjSorry, I forgot to hit save on the agenda page earlier, but it should be there now.18:39
anteayajungleboyj: it is18:39
jungleboyjOk, good.18:39
anteayafill in the blanks18:39
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jungleboyjSo, as far as your dates are concerned, DuncanT is pinging people this week if they have not indicated some progress.18:40
jungleboyjThere will be a mailing list e-mail next week if still no response and then patches to remove the non-compliant drivers will beging.18:40
jungleboyjPeople are making progress though.  IBM has their CIs running, but not all of them are against the main gerrit stream riht now due to being unreliable.18:41
anteayagreat so Cinder driver folk, make sure DuncanT is aware of your progress even if you are not yet in full compliance, don't stay quiet18:41
jungleboyjHP and EMC are pretty reliably post results.18:41
* anteaya nods18:41
anteayagood work18:41
anteayaanything else here?18:41
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jungleboyjanteaya: +2 to not being quiet.18:42
jungleboyjI can cover the rest in open discussion.18:42
anteayamoving on18:42
anteaya#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:42
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anteaya#info Communicating CI status changes and updates, posting to the -dev ml becomes seen as spam, options?18:42
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anteayaso we currently have about 87 gerrit accounts18:42
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anteayaif every one of them posts to the ml for status outages and return of service18:43
anteayathat doesn't work18:43
kevinbentonanteaya: just a wiki page with the current status of all CI seems adequate18:43
dougwiganteaya: sorry, on previous topic, neutron is doing a CI housecleaning as well:
anteayahow do we communicate status?18:43
anteayadougwig: ah yes, sorry I forgot to ask about that18:43
anteaya#info neutron ci housecleaning18:44
anteayakevinbenton: that is a good idea18:44
anteayaany other options?18:44
krtayloranteaya, re: status  topic, I had a discussion on nova about this last week, we decided that short-term we would report status on our third-party wiki page18:45
nuritv_anteaya - the problem is when a system is down no point in doing recheck. will a developer look at the wiki on all time?18:45
emaganaanteaya: Hi There! about Neutron CI I have received tons of responses18:45
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anteayaokay lets' finish status reporting and then circle back to neutron ci updates18:45
emaganaanteaya: I am planing to update the Neutron Wiki with the current status. What is clear is that CI requirements needs to be more specific18:46
dougwiganteaya: my reaction to CI downtime is: why is it posting to gerrit at all for scheduled downtime, and similarly, why aren't the missed jobs being queued later?  why announce at all?18:46
anteayanuritv_: agreed, unless it is one easy to access source it won't be referenced18:46
anteayadougwig: good points18:46
krtaylorre: status - this works for a quick fix becaus we already link to that page in comments18:46
nuritv_anteaya: maybe a comment in the gerrit?18:46
anteayano, not adding comments to gerrit18:46
anteayaI wonder if we can add info to this page:
anteayaany wiki page experts here?18:47
krtaylorno, but that is the best user story for why there needs to be a ci dashboard18:47
anteayawilling to experiment to see if we can have a table of ci statuses on that same page18:47
anteayakrtaylor: hmmm, that might be interesting too18:48
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krtayloror just color code the name table cell18:48
anteayakrtaylor: oh I like that18:48
lyxusanteaya, I though emagana what trying to do that (at leat on the Neutron side)18:48
anteayagreen for up, red for down, amber for issues read the ci page for details18:48
emaganalyxus: Yes, that is my goal18:48
krtaylorthere are several threads for how to fix this issue18:48
anteayawe need the threads to converge18:49
dougwighere is emagana's wiki:
krtayloranteaya, exactly, stoplight18:49
anteayaand for one person to champion the solution18:49
anteayaI don't care what it is, we need a champion for it18:49
emaganalyxus: Unfortunately, it is quite manual right now18:49
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lyxusemagana, we just need to discuss how we define what is a good status for a CI :)18:49
krtaylorneed automatic solution, else stale = useless18:49
anteayakrtaylor: can you see if you can change your ci table colours as described above and report back18:50
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anteayalyxus: not good status, just the ci is running18:50
anteayaokay no solution this week, but we need to find one18:50
anteayawe can't continue to spam the ml18:50
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krtayloranteaya, I know I can change it, just how to do it programatically is the issue18:50
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anteayaand we need folks to have an outlet to communiciate system status since that is encouraged18:50
lyxusanteaya, then define what is a "running" CI18:50
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anteayakrtaylor: do it manually for this week18:51
krtayloranteaya, will do18:51
anteayalyxus: at a future meeting18:51
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anteayaI just need omrim to stop spamming the ml18:51
anteayaso thanks for attending the meeting omrim18:51
kevinbentonwe had previously discussed requiring builds of master at given intervals18:51
anteayaright but calibration is different from ormi's ml spam18:52
omrimAnteaya: Thanks for your comment18:52
kevinbentonanteaya: i was just suggesting for an automated “status” page18:52
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anteayathis is the problem I am trying to fix today18:53
anteayakevinbenton: yes and I would love that18:53
anteayareducing email spam is today's goal, having an automated setup is still a goal18:53
kevinbentonyeah, i think we should just have a wiki page for that. if someone doesn’t want to check the wiki, they probably aren’t going to search their inbox anyway18:53
anteayaokay any objections to moving to neutron ci cleanup?18:54
anteayakevinbenton: fair enough18:54
smcginnisJust brainstorming, but can we have an #openstack-cistatus IRC that CI systems send status messages to. Then dashboard can parse those messages to display current status?18:54
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anteayaand wikipage or colouring table entries is something we can do shor term18:54
anteayasmcginnis: I like the idea18:54
anteayasmcginnis: do you have any space for a proof of concept?18:55
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smcginnisanteaya: Unfortunately better at suggesting ideas than implementing. ;)18:55
anteaya#topic Neutron CI housecleaning18:55
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smcginnisanteaya: Maybe once my corp firewall lets out IRC I can.18:55
anteayaemagana: your floor18:55
anteayasmcginnis: okay18:55
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* anteaya hopes emagana is still around18:56
anteayamarkmcclain: can you jump in here?18:56
emaganaI am here!18:56
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* anteaya listens18:57
emaganaNeutron CI requiremets are not very clear18:57
emaganathat is the big summary after my investigation18:57
anteayalink again?18:57
emaganawe need to work on very specific CI requirements18:57
dougwigcan you clarify?  i've been going off of this:
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anteayathanks emagana18:58
emaganaall the responses that I got were explaining why their CI did not test the commit18:59
anteayaone minute left and I think we need to wrap up18:59
emaganathe bottomline is that requirements should be clear18:59
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anteayaneutron ci systems please continue on the #openstack-neutron channel18:59
kevinbentonwe also need to establish time to report back test18:59
emaganaI will work with the Neutron community to do that18:59
lyxusand clarify the -118:59
anteayaemagana: can we get a neutron agenda item for next week's agenda so we ensure you have more time18:59
emaganaanteaya: I will18:59
anteayaI agree this is an important discussion19:00
anteayaand I support it19:00
anteayaand we need to end for today19:00
anteayaso let's contiue to discuss19:00
anteayathanks to everyone for a great meeting19:00
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anteayaitems we didn't cover will roll over to next week19:00
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NobodyCamthank you anteaya :)19:00
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jungleboyjThanks anteaya19:01
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anteayaNobodyCam: :D19:01
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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:01
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 18 19:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:01
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:01
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:19:01
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NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:02
NobodyCamRoll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting?19:02
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NobodyCam\o/ howdy ya all19:02
NobodyCamDevananda is off burning thing in the desert.19:02
NobodyCamthings even :-p19:03
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NobodyCamadam_g is also out for the day19:03
lucasagomesdtantsur is on PTO as well19:03
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NobodyCamlooks like we may even have a light agenda ..19:04
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jroll\o (was grabbing food, sorry)19:04
NobodyCamany announcements for anyone out there ?19:04
NobodyCamnp jroll19:04
NobodyCamwe assigned everything to you19:05
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NobodyCamok then lets jump into things:19:05
NobodyCam#topic Release cycle progress report19:05
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: thats you today?19:05
lucasagomesright so, while deva is off I will be assuming the release cycle progress19:06
lucasagomesfeature freeze will happen in less than 3 weeks from now (September 4)19:06
lucasagomeswe had our feature proposal freeze last Thursday19:06
lucasagomesso no more specs will be approved, and they need to be resubmitted once Kilo opens19:06
lucasagomesalso it's important to note that in Kilo we will change slightly our spec process19:06
lucasagomesmostly to be able to give people a faster feedback and let them know whether the feature that they are proposing belongs in Ironic or not19:07
lucasagomes^ for more information about the spec process changes19:07
jrollnote: JayF -2'd all outstanding specs already19:07
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lucasagomesnice, thanks for that19:07
lucasagomesso J3...19:07
NobodyCamyes thank you jroll jayf19:07
lucasagomeswe really need to spend time reviewing code for the already approved specs19:08
lucasagomeswe have 14 specs tagged to land in J319:08
lucasagomesthat's a lot19:08
lucasagomesand from this 14 only 3 is already marked as implemented19:08
lucasagomesI know some of the specs are just waiting for code reviews in Ironic and/or changes in other related project like tempest and/or devstack19:08
lucasagomesbut we also have some specs approved which has no code proposed yet19:08
NobodyCamlucasagomes: are we going to have a review jam tomorrow morning?19:08
lucasagomesNobodyCam, yup, yeah we should19:08
rlooFirst bp is done I believe.19:08
rloolucasagomes: are you going to go through the bps?19:09
lucasagomesrloo, ah right, I will mark it as implemented later then19:09
jroll+1 review jam19:09
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lucasagomesrloo, tomorrow or today u mean?19:09
NobodyCam#action review jam tomorrow morning!19:09
rloolucasagomes:  right now.19:09
lucasagomesrloo, today I'm just doing an overview of the situation19:09
rloolucasagomes:  ok.19:10
lucasagomesso if you own one spec and you didn't put any code up yet, please do!19:10
lucasagomesand if you don't think you'll have time to finish your spec before September 4, please lemme know19:10
mrdaso tomorrow is quite subjective, just sayin'19:10
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jrolllucasagomes: I think in that review jam, we should also assess the specs without code19:10
jrollmrda: tuesday :P19:10
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lucasagomesjroll, yup19:11
rlootime on tuesday?19:11
mrdajroll: oh you mean today19:11
jroll7am pacific or later is fine with me19:11
jrollmrda :P19:11
lucasagomesso for next week I to bring some numbers about how many of the blueprints was completed or blocked on the week before and more details about specific specs that might need a special attention19:11
jrollmrda: tomorrow utc :P19:11
NobodyCamlucasagomes: awesome19:11
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lucasagomesand that's it for now, ah, folks who has a spec approved and not completed yet I might ping you this week (and the next weeks as well) to know about the progress of it19:11
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NobodyCamI'd vote for 8am pst just to have time for coffee19:12
wanyenfyi- uefi boot  code has been sumitted and need code review19:12
lucasagomesfolks working in the nova driver, tempest, nova migration and grenade should continue on that because that's very important for our graduation!!19:12
jrollNobodyCam: fine with that19:12
lucasagomesNobodyCam, lets talk about the time after the meeting or opendiscussion19:12
lucasagomescause I've a important call I will check the hours here19:12
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jrollwanyen: we're aware and it will get reviewed :)19:12
wanyenjroll, tx19:12
lucasagomesbut that's it for me, I will be probably nagging people about their bps status for the next days :)19:12
NobodyCamgreat report lucasagomes TY19:13
rloowanyen: maybe you could update the BP status for uefi. it shows as 'Started'.19:13
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NobodyCam+1 for nagging19:13
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jrollrloo, wanyen, that should be automatically updated if the BP is mentioned correctly in the commit message19:13
NobodyCamcomments / question for lucasagomes19:13
lucasagomeswanyen, awesome! I will mark it as need code review19:13
wanyenrloo, ok.  I will try.  Sometime Ihave problemto update bp' status19:13
jrollcomments: lucasagomes is awesome. that is all19:14
rloowanyen: ask for help later ;)19:14
NobodyCamlol :)19:14
NobodyCamok then lets jump into subteams :)19:14
lucasagomesu all are awesome :)19:14
NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: integration & testing work19:14
NobodyCamadam_g is out for the day:19:14
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NobodyCamper his request I am relaying his most pressing review:
wanyenlucasagomes, tx19:14
NobodyCamhe also has Ironic migration script needs review:
jrollNobodyCam: should we be pinging nova people for reviews on that migration script, too?19:15
jroll(also, those are the same links)19:15
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mrdajroll: +119:15
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NobodyCamjroll: adam_g seem to think so so I would say yes!19:15
jrollheh, ok19:16
NobodyCamadam added his links to the agenda please find them there19:16
NobodyCamany questions/ comments on integration & testing19:16
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NobodyCamok moving on...19:17
NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: Bug team19:17
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lucasagomesso dmitry is on PTO19:17
lucasagomeshe has a nice bug dashboard here19:18
lucasagomesstats: Open: 134. 8 new, 37 in progress, 0 critical, 16 high and 5 incomplete19:18
NobodyCamanyone to report for dtantsur19:18
NobodyCamlol awesome lucasagomes19:18
lucasagomesit's on the dashboard, just c&p19:18
jrollgood report!19:18
jrollis someone triaging while he is out?19:18
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lucasagomesjroll, he will be back tomorrow19:19
NobodyCamany questons/comments on bugs?19:19
jrollha, ok19:19
NobodyCamoh no that I know19:19
NobodyCamhow long is he out?19:19
jrolltil tomorrow apparently19:19
lucasagomesonly today afaik19:19
NobodyCamI think we're ok then19:19
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NobodyCamwe're mak'n good time today :)19:20
NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent19:20
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jrollas always, tracking progress here:
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jrollstill working on getting CI out there19:20
jrolldevstack changes and docs have landed19:20
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jrollthere's some more changes on that etherpad that need to land for ironic check jobs and IPA gate jobs19:21
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jrollI'd like to land more docs for J3 as well19:21
* lucasagomes needs to poke someone to review the ipxe devstack changes too19:21
NobodyCamjroll: morning lifeless :)19:22
jrolloh I can take a look at that, too, lucas19:22
jrollheya lifeless19:22
lucasagomesjroll, nice docs are imporant... we also have J4 for docs19:22
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lucasagomesand bug fixes19:22
jrolloh, I'd also like to revive the DIB patch for IPA too19:22
jrollthat NobodyCam19:23
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NobodyCamjroll: lets chat about that after the meeting19:23
jrollmight need help from lifeless or someone19:23
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lifelessI have a fragmented morning but I'm sure we can hook up19:23
jrollyep, no rush19:23
jrollok, any comments/questions for me?19:24
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NobodyCamvery good report Ty jroll19:24
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NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: Oslo19:25
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NobodyCamyou here GheRivero19:25
GheRiveronothing to add :)19:25
NobodyCam:) love it19:25
jrolldon't forget Nova driver status (mrda) :)19:25
NobodyCamquestion/comments for GheRivero19:25
NobodyCamjroll: I wont19:26
* mrda waits patiently19:26
jrollok, just noticed we're out of order :P19:26
NobodyCamwe dping really good on time19:26
lucasagomesGheRivero, 1 q19:26
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lucasagomesthe problem with migration tests running on gate19:26
lucasagomesit's fixed already? any updates on that?19:26
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GheRiveroI was looking on that but got stuck with other issue. First thing tomorrow morning :)19:27
lucasagomesthanks Ghe19:27
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NobodyCamany other Q/C?19:28
NobodyCammoving on.19:29
NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: Nova Driver status19:29
NobodyCammrda thats you19:29
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mrdaSo it's been a battle of git rebasing this past week, but I learnt a valuable lesson - you must start with the last patch in the chain :)19:29
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mrdaSo there's a 5 patch series, 1 and 2 will be ok with Nova19:30
mrdathere's some +2'ing already19:30
mrda3, 4, 5 need more work and I'm continuing on that19:30
NobodyCamawesome :)19:31
mrdaI know jroll has a couple of perfomance related reviews he'd like looked at in Ironic that I he would like tacked on the end as review 619:31
mrdaso help jroll out if you can19:31
* lucasagomes gotta review the cache stuff19:32
NobodyCammrda: if those land in ironic are you ok with adding to the patch train19:32
mrdabesides that, all ok.  I'll scream loudly if I need ironic core assistance on fixes in the ironic tree before reposting them back into nova19:32
jroll and
jrollmrda: ++ for screaming19:32
lucasagomesmrda, ++ any time19:32
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mrdaNobodyCam: Yes, those 2 performance ones (108545 + 113036 I thik)19:32
rlooand nothing gets into nova until the entire chain is approved?19:32
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NobodyCammrda: :) (poking folks with sharp sticks works too)19:32
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mrdaoh, and I need someone to represent us at the Nova team meeting in meeting-alt at
jrollmy firewall blocks sharp sticks :)19:33
mrda(just in case they have questions)19:33
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mrda(I'm not going to do late nights and early mornings in the same week :)19:33
jrollmrda: I can if nobody else wants to, lucasagomes might also be a good candidate for that based on the time19:33
NobodyCamlucasagomes: where you planning on attending that?19:33
mrdalucasagomes: does that work for you?19:33
jroll(lucas might know more about that than myself)19:34
lucasagomesso I wasn't planning, I have to check my calendar here19:34
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lucasagomescan I give you the answer later?19:34
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NobodyCamsure..Ty lucasagomes19:34
lucasagomesthere's some internal meetings I have, so I want to make sure it won't collide19:34
mrdasure, it's not a big deal, just in case nova wants to discuss about the ironic patch series19:34
lucasagomesor if I can rearrange it somehow19:34
mrdaanyone have any questions about the driver landing in nova?19:35
lucasagomesI will check that out19:35
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mrdalucasagomes: thnx19:35
jrolllucasagomes: feel free to poke me if you can't do it19:35
NobodyCam#link <- nova meeting19:35
lucasagomesjroll, mrda np, will do19:35
mrdaI'm done unless there's q's19:36
NobodyCamI skipped over tempest Ci, as dtantsur was out, I should ask if there are any questions on that tpoic19:36
NobodyCamtopic even19:36
NobodyCamif not. then we can mosy over to :19:37
NobodyCam#topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion19:37
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NobodyCamany questions?19:38
jrollyeah, I have a thing!19:38
jrollI started the horizon work today
NobodyCamoh I saw that in channel19:39
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lucasagomesah nice!19:39
jrollthat's mostly autogenerated code, but I'm going to continue working on it... if anyone wants to play with it or help or whatever please let me know :)19:39
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jrollI might post that to the mailing list just so nobody duplicates that work19:40
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rlooit would be good to have an item in the meeting to review outstanding stuff to get to graduation.19:40
jrolland see if there's any new mockups19:40
NobodyCamthat would be great jroll19:40
jrollrloo: +119:40
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NobodyCam#action NobodyCm add outstanding stuff for graduation item to agenda19:41
NobodyCamthat it? folk want 20 minutes back?19:42
jrolloh come on, there has to be something to argue about ;)19:42
lucasagomesNobodyCam, jroll rloo as for the time of the review jam tomorrow... I'm busy from 14:00~15:30 UTC tomorrow19:42
mrdaI can go back to sleep! \o/19:42
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lucasagomescan we do it after that? of you guys can start and I join later19:42
* jroll converts the time real quick19:43
jrollthat's 7-8:30 pacific, yeah?19:43
NobodyCamjroll: thats 9 am pst?19:43
jrollI can do either way, let's just start at 8:3019:43
jrollis it?19:43
NobodyCamgive you a few minutes inbetween?19:43
jrolloh you're saying start at 9am19:43
jrollsounds good19:43
NobodyCamreview jam tomorrow 9am pst ?19:44
jrollwfm :)19:44
rlooworks for me.19:44
NobodyCam+1 here19:44
lucasagomes:) aight19:44
NobodyCamsounds good.19:44
rloouhh, 15:30 utc is 9:30 pst.19:45
rlooso you want to start at 15 UTC?19:45
jrollI don't think it is?19:45
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jrollwe may be in pdt19:45
jrollidk, it's currently 1945 utc / 1245 pacific19:45
NobodyCamI think we are officaly in pdt19:46
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NobodyCamok then shall we take 14 minutes and go grab some lunch?19:46
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lucasagomesI think so if nobody has anything else19:46
rloo+1 NobodyCam19:46
lucasagomes(it's late here :P)19:46
jrollI've got nothing19:47
wanyenwhat timeis ther review jam, *:30 pdt?19:47
lucasagomesmrda, will be happy as well I bet19:47
NobodyCamwanyen: 9 am tomorrow19:47
wanyenreview jam 8:30 pdt?19:47
wanyenok. ty, nNobodyCam19:47
NobodyCamThank you everyone19:47
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ajo_hi :)21:00
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markmcclainsalv-orlando, arosen, carl_baldwin, obondarev, amotoki: hi21:01
markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 18 21:02:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:02
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markmcclain#info mestery is off today, so I'm filling in21:02
markmcclain#link Agenda21:02
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:03
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markmcclain#info Feature Proposal Freeze is this Aug 21st21:04
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markmcclainIf code is not proposed by the end of the day on the 21st the feature will be deferred21:05
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SukhdevHello - sorry for being late21:05
markmcclainPlease note deprecation notices for the cisco nexus and mellanox plugins21:06
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markmcclainAny questions before continue?21:06
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markmcclainSukhdev: no worries… we just got going21:06
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:06
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markmcclainenikanorov_: hi21:06
enikanorov_there are two bugs worth attention this week:21:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1357379 in neutron "policy admin_only rules not enforced when changing value to default" [Medium,In progress]21:07
enikanorov_that's a kind of security vulnerability where regular user may update admin-only attribute from existing to default21:07
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356227 in neutron "TestLoadBalancerBasic fails and leads to consequent tests failures" [High,In progress]21:08
enikanorov_that is a regression from the fix that got rid of rpc calls inside transaction. the fix is on review21:08
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: you've looked at 1357379 too?21:08
enikanorov_I continue to monitor bugs and some types of gate failures21:09
markmcclainenikanorov_: thanks for monitoring the bugs21:09
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: I have looked, but it’s now in progress and I can’t find a patch for that21:09
salv-orlandoenikanorov_: did you speak with the current assignee?21:09
enikanorov_salv-orlando: it's WIP for now. we're thinking on the best approach to the fix21:10
salv-orlandoWIP means we have a patch for it and we’re looking whether we can do something better21:10
salv-orlandoso where’s the patch? ;) gerrit did not link it to launchpad21:10
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salv-orlandocool thanks - I’m taking the liberty to link it to the bug report, if you don’t mind21:11
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: thanks21:12
markmcclainAny other bugs the team should discuss?21:13
enikanorov_not from my side today21:13
markmcclainenikanorov_: thanks for tracking these21:13
markmcclain#topic Team Discussion - Kumbaya21:14
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* dougwig breaks out the smores.21:14
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markmcclainthe last few weeks have been a bit bumpy community wise21:15
sbalukoffYay! Understatement!21:15
salv-orlandowhy? we’re making a lot of progress on nova parity features and stability21:15
salv-orlandois there anything else that really mattered for juno?21:15
markmcclainKyle and I wanted to remind everyone that all of us are in this together21:15
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* salv-orlando sounds like a warning - either we sort this together or we go down together21:16
emaganasalv-orlando: Yes!21:16
emaganasalv-orlando: Migration from nova-network to Neutron ... DVR testing21:16
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salv-orlandoemagana: migration won’t happen I’m afraid, but we’re interrupting markmcclain21:17
markmcclainso it's important that we remember that it as we go through the busiest part of the cycle the next few weeks21:17
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bloganmarkmcclain: any update on the incubator?21:17
markmcclainblogan: I was hoping for final update today, but am awaiting word back on an item that were working on over the weekend21:18
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markmcclain#topic Team Discussion 3rd Party CI systems21:19
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emaganaHi There!21:19
markmcclainThere's been a good deal of discussion on the mailing the last few days21:19
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markmcclainemagana: what items did you want to cover here?21:19
emaganamarkmcclain: CI requirements for Juno21:20
emaganait is up to Neutron to define the requirements for third-party CI testing21:20
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emaganabased on the multiple responses that I got to this thread:21:20
emaganaIt clear that we have not defined properly and specifically the CI requirements21:21
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markmcclainemagana: right we do have some variance21:21
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emaganaI want to quickly define what are the requirements for Juno21:21
lyxusemagana, and a definition problem21:21
dougwigit's a bit late to be changing too radically from what's here:
emaganaFRom this #link
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emaganaIt is not really clear what we are asking for and I do agree with dougwig it is too late to enforce strong requirements at this time.21:23
salv-orlandoI think what dougwig said set the requirements for Juno. They’re a bit flexible, but it would already be a result if all CI systems conformed to that. Then perhaps you can define more stringent requirements for Kilo, and that woukd be fine.21:23
markmcclaindougwig: I agree21:23
dougwigsalv-orlando: +121:23
markmcclainsalv-orlando: I agree as well21:23
emaganaYes and Yes!21:23
salv-orlandoas a side note we’re starting to bureaucratize everything. In this case can we just use common sense?21:23
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emaganaSo, I want to work with each one of the CI owners and understand better their testing approach21:24
salv-orlandocool, I think that then emagana would be more than happy to outline requirements for kilo21:24
dane_leblancOne thing that we need to consider is that there may be exceptional times when a CI may need to throttle back on the diffs that it's testing against21:24
salv-orlandoemagana: welll, I hope you don’t want to dictate every CI owner how they should implement their infra!21:25
dane_leblancFor example, before diffs are merged upstream which enable hardware to be tested.21:25
emaganaPresent a session during Kilo summit where we all agree on the requirements21:25
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markmcclaindane_leblanc: right.. there we do have to balance the tests we run vs resources required21:25
emaganaBy Juno I think we should be testing at least: 1) Neutron Tempest tests21:25
dane_leblancIf there was a way for us to communicate that status..21:25
lukegoThis might be too fuzzy, but one thing CI operators don’t currently get any guidance on is how much time/resources to commit in order to be successful. the advice seems to range from “it only takes 10 minutes, what is everybody complaining about?” up to suggesting a full time person.21:26
emagana2) Only changes related to the sub-system the driver/plugins belongs to21:26
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emagana3) Do not post fake results!21:26
salv-orlandolukego: I understand your concerns, but I’m afraid that infra can’t offer anything more than documentation - and they already do21:26
emaganadane_leblanc: During today's thirdparty meeting on IRC that topic was discussed21:27
markmcclainemagana: I hope nobody is posting fake results21:27
lyxusemagana, what about the -1 ? The 3rd party CI recommend to be manual21:27
dougwigi think it's important to also not be too heavy-handed in what tests get run.  an lbaas driver does not need to be testing l2 port stuff in detail (except how it might be using it); that's just duplicating openstack jenkins, and increasing the false negative potential.  it's like a duplicate unit test.21:27
Sukhdevemagana: I did not know people were posting fake results :-)21:27
marun1lukego: The time required is mostly determined by the skill of the implementors, in any case.21:27
emaganadane_leblanc: check the meeting logs21:27
dane_leblancemagana: That was about the cinder issue?21:27
salv-orlandoSukhdev: yeah I’ve been posting pictures of kittens rather than logs ;)21:27
Sukhdevsalv-orlando: ha ha funny!!!21:28
markmcclainsalv-orlando: haha21:28
salv-orlandoand the nyan cat as well21:28
emaganadane_leblanc: In general they are proposing a specific mailing list for CI status21:28
kevinbentonemagana: ugh21:28
dane_leblancemagana: Right, about the CI status posting.21:28
kevinbentonemagana: i thought we were trying to get away from mailing lists21:28
emaganakevinbenton: We are open to suggestions21:29
kevinbentonemagana: i liked the wiki with the current status21:29
dane_leblancMy point before is that when we're first bringing up a CI for new hardware, only a small subset of change sets will work on the CI.21:29
rms_13_+1 kevinbenton21:29
emaganaAnyway! Is everybody happy with the three requirements for CI in Juno?21:29
kevinbentonemagana: we don’t really need a historical record that someone did some maintenance on their CI five weeks ago21:29
salv-orlandoI think there’s still a lot of confusion. It would be good to have a discussion on the ML on reporting CI status - and it’s worth reminding the stackalatics folks tried alreaydy to help us - maybe it’s worth starting from there.21:29
emaganakevinbenton: I agree!.. but please let's finish one discussion first21:29
lyxusemagana, we can't a have a proper status until we have 1) list of tests 2)time to execute the tests 3) Definition of a healty CI21:29
rms_13_emagana: 2) is unclear to me.21:30
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kevinbentonrms_13_: +121:30
markmcclainok… let's focus this discussion a bit21:30
Sukhdevemagana: clarify the first requirement - tempest tests - what if some of the tests are not applicable to CI?21:30
markmcclainwe all agree logs should be real :)21:30
emaganamarkmcclain: I think those are valid questions.21:30
Sukhdevmarkmcclain; +121:31
emaganamarkmcclain: It could take a lot of time. What if I propose this:21:31
lukegoemagana: I think myself and several others are finding that we need to upgrade our CI quite a bit to run the scenario tests in a reliable way and are trying not to rush it and cause problems.21:31
markmcclainSeems that the general functionality of most systems is that subsystem(s) that a driver/plugin supports be tested21:31
emaganamarkmcclain: Let me improve the wiki today and cover all these questions. Working with all CI owners until everybody is happy21:31
Sukhdevlukego: Agree - I see very high failure rates with scenario tests21:32
markmcclainif an ML2 implementation wants to skip VPN tests for Juno that should be ok21:32
emaganaNow, these requirements are minimal. If you CI does more, dont change it   :-)21:32
dougwigemagana: regarding full tempest, i chatted with kyle about the the number unnecessary scenario tests with something like an lbaas driver, and we agreed to a subset (which is listed in the wiki.)  i just don't see how running tests that do not affect the third-party code in the slightest will do anything but add to false negative potential.21:32
markmcclainso really we ahve to be careful about changing which set of tests run this late in the game21:32
Sukhdevdougwig: +121:33
markmcclaindougwig: +121:33
rudrarug_dougwig: +121:33
salv-orlandodougwig: I agree with you. Hence my point on common sense.21:33
emaganadougwig: My opinion is that CI should be testing core API.. So, I agreee with ypu21:33
lyxussalv-orlando, +121:33
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emaganaOk, it seems that everybody feels the same way21:34
markmcclainLooks like emagana wlll put together a proposal for kilo changes21:34
markmcclainwe can either work on it via the ML the next few weeks and if necessary schedule design summit time21:34
emaganamarkmcclain: Yes, I will. For juno I will try to fix the Wiki to make it more clear and being very flexible with all CI systems..21:34
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Sukhdevemagana: Core API tempest test is the correct way to go21:34
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emaganaSukhdev: That is for me the minimal requirement21:35
salv-orlandofolks - point taken. Those are differences we can smooth out.21:35
Sukhdevemagana: I am good with that21:35
marun1Do you mean the api tests alone?21:35
dougwigSukhdev: plus relevant scenario tests, i'd think.21:35
emaganabasically, everything under: tempest/api/network/test_networks.py21:35
marun1dougwig: +121:35
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Sukhdevdougwig: not really - those will be optional21:36
* salv-orlando think we’re having one of those kindergarten moments ;)21:36
emaganaand tempest/api/network/test_networks_negative.py21:36
marun1The api tests don't validate that anything happens below the server21:36
Sukhdevemagana: yes - agree with this classification of minimal tests21:36
emaganamarun1: I know that marun121:36
salv-orlandomarun1: I’m sure scenario tests will be a requirement for Kilo21:36
emaganaI will propose that for Kilo21:36
emaganamarun1: It is too late for being hard on the plugins and drivers... I propose to be flexible in Juno but things will change in Kilo21:37
markmcclain#action emagana will put together proposal for Kilo testing changes21:37
dougwigthe wiki linked above specifies api + relevant scenario.  the lbaas subset, e.g. is the entire api suite plus relevant scenario.21:37
dougwigemagana: +121:37
marun1emagana: Fair enough21:37
Sukhdevmarun1: not all CI's deal with anything related to underneath servers21:37
markmcclainfor how we signal needs such as reviews blocking a CI from functioning what exactly healthy means I don't think we can solve in 23minutes21:37
markmcclainthose are also issue that the other projects will need to tackle as well21:37
marun1There is little need for 3rd party reporting of api testing21:37
emagana#action emagana will clarify Juno requirements for CI systems21:37
markmcclainmight be a good cross project session in Paris21:38
marun1At least at the tempest level21:38
Sukhdevmarun1: hence, API tests should be minimal requirement - those CI's that deal with servers should include scenario or other tests21:38
dougwigmarun1: strongly disagree, but i'm not sure we need to hash that out right now.21:38
emaganaFor all developers, feel free to reach me our directly about any CI related issue. I will put everything together and visible for all21:38
markmcclainemagana: thanks for working on this21:39
emaganamarkmcclain: I think we could move to the next topic on the agenda21:39
marun1dougwig: We can do that testing better at the functional rather than integration level.21:39
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markmcclain#topic Parity21:40
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markmcclainwe closed another parity item this week:
markmcclainthanks to salv-orlando for spearheading that effort21:41
salv-orlandothere’s a little tweak to this story - please read the last update from the mailing list21:41
salv-orlandoin a nutshell we’re going to limit tests on the integrated gate to only neutron core services.21:41
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markmcclain#link final state21:41
salv-orlandoThis was a request from nova core team backed by qa core team21:41
markmcclainI think that is a reasonable approach21:42
markmcclain#topic Docs21:42
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markmcclainemagana: any doc items to highlight?21:43
emaganamarkmcclain: Not really!21:43
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emaganamarkmcclain: I was focused on the CI part, nothing to cover for docs21:44
salv-orlandoI wanted to find volunteers for reviewing our current dev docs and writing some more before we close the release cycle21:44
markmcclainsalv-orlando: awesome21:44
salv-orlandoI’m talking about the docs in devref in neutron source tree21:44
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markmcclainI do want to highlight a spec in the doc program21:44
salv-orlandoI’ll go the mailing list but if you want to cooperate let me know know so I’ll ping you in the next few days.21:44
sc68calDo we have any areas in devref that need attention?21:45
sc68calor desired topics?21:45
markmcclainspecifically it would go to get several cores to provide feedback to docs team21:45
markmcclain#topic L321:46
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carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: hi21:46
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: hi21:46
carl_baldwinStill working through the experimental job that runs DVR.21:47
carl_baldwinThere are just a couple of tests failing somewhat intermittently.21:47
carl_baldwinOtherwise, it has improved quite a lot.21:47
carl_baldwinThe DVR backlog is trimming down as well.21:47
markmcclainnice to see the backlog getting smaller21:48
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carl_baldwinStarting to shift some attention to L3 HA patches.  Assaf has written a post to help reviewers which I will soon send out.21:48
carl_baldwinWatch the ML for that.21:48
carl_baldwinI think that is all I have.  The rest of the status is posted on the wiki.21:49
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carl_baldwinThanks markmcclain21:49
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: thanks for the update21:49
markmcclain#topic Advanced Services21:49
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: hi21:49
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: hi21:49
SumitNaiksatami have updated the meeting wiki page21:50
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SumitNaiksatamfor all the bp specs that were approved, we have patches posted21:50
SumitNaiksatamhappy to discuss that here, or yield time to other higher priority items21:50
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markmcclainin the 9mins left let's run through the other teams21:51
markmcclain#topic IPv621:51
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: thanks for update21:51
markmcclainsc68cal: hi21:52
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: sure21:52
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dougwig(can be back up to adv. services and get a flavors update?)21:52
dougwig /be/we21:52
dougwigis it in or out?21:52
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markmcclaindougwig: will be in21:52
markmcclain#topic IPv621:52
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markmcclainsc68cal: looks like we need reviews21:53
sc68calwe also are trying to get in contact with the NEC CI owner21:53
sc68calto do a recheck21:53
sc68calthat's all I have21:54
markmcclainsc68cal have reached out to amotoki for help contacting NEC CI owner?21:55
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sc68calNo I started by e-mailing the e-mail that is listed for it on Gerrit21:55
markmcclainok.. ping amotoki too to see if he can assist21:55
markmcclainsc68cal: thanks for the update21:55
markmcclain#topic ML221:55
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rkukuraWe are tracking reviews at
rkukuraNot much needs discussing here, I think21:56
rkukuraThat’s all I’ve got21:56
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salv-orlandorkukura: I will re-review the extensionpatch tomorrow - hopefully we’ll sort this out this week21:56
rkukurasalv-orlando: thanks21:57
rkukuraalso meant to thank banix for organizing the review tracking wiki21:57
markmcclainsalv-orlando: I left questions on the spec earlier21:57
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markmcclainstill to much ambiguity that needs to be addressed21:57
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: I did not see them. I have way too many browser tabs open.21:57
nlahoutimarkmcclain: rkukura added reply to the comment21:57
nlahoutisalv-orlando: it is in
* markmcclain has too many tabs open too21:58
nlahoutisalv-orlando: that link has patch to the spec that markmcclain requested.21:58
salv-orlandonlahouti: bookmarked21:59
* markmcclain notes 1 minute left21:59
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markmcclainwe'll continue discussion on the review22:00
nlahoutisalv-orlando: thx. I think you have link the the code review.22:00
salv-orlandowha’t left on the agenda?22:00
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion22:00
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salv-orlandoplease stay on lookout for failures in neutron full job. Report that promptly and tag them with neutron-full-job so we can stay on top of them22:00
markmcclaingood reminder22:01
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markmcclainas the number of patches pushed to gerrit increases the next few weeks22:01
salv-orlandoif you really want to be loved by the community provide a logstash trace and an e-r query22:01
markmcclainwe need to be vigilant to ensure we don't cause gate backups22:01
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dougwigsalv-orlando: do you have a writeup on how to get those two items?22:02
salv-orlandootherwise rather than talking about neutron-incubator we’ll be talking about neutron, the openstack incubated project22:02
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salv-orlandodougwig: I have, it’s on the wiki, but I honestly don’t have a link at hand.22:02
salv-orlandodougwig: my google-fu is still strong ->
markmcclainLastly still meeting with folks in the community on updates to the proposed neutron-incubator changes22:03
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markmcclainand will post to list soon22:03
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markmcclainnote I'll be using another address since DMARC puts my list emails straight to the spam folder on gmail22:04
markmcclainHave a great week all.. thanks for joining today22:04
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