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| Daisy | Who is around for I18n meeting? | 08:00 |
|---|---|---|
| chandankumar | yup | 08:00 |
| chandankumar | rajeshr, meeting time | 08:00 |
| rajeshr | here :) | 08:01 |
| fdot | Hello Daisy :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Thank you, guys. | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Good morning, fdot ! | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 08:01 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, fdot Hello! | 08:01 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 08:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:01 |
| fdot | hello Daisyand chandankumar | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Good morning, everyone. | 08:02 |
| * DeeJay1 partly i | 08:02 | |
| Daisy | We don't have attendees from both North America and South America for a long time. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | So we will use only 1 time slot from today. | 08:02 |
| epico | hello | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Firstly, many thanks to fdot. He helped to host the previous meeting and made a wonderful table. | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation | 08:03 |
| fdot | yrw Daisy :) | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | #topic Conclude "documents categorization" and work out "next steps" | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | If I'm a new comers to doc translation, I cloud easily figure out my priority from this table. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | fdot: do we have any left as to the document categorization table? | 08:05 |
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| fdot | Daisy : I don't think so | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Great. I think it's a wonderful table too. | 08:06 |
| fdot | but the size of each items are probably wrong | 08:06 |
| fdot | because it is moving all the time | 08:06 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, from table priority is clear. :) | 08:06 |
| fdot | it is just an indicator | 08:06 |
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| fdot | is everybody agree with the priority into the table ? | 08:07 |
| Daisy | We need somebody to keep on the update of this table. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | I do have a question about glossory | 08:07 |
| Daisy | I see it's high priority. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | Glossary is attached to every documents in OpenStack. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | If we translate glossary into different languages, how could we build it ? | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | I mean, glossary is not built separately. It's a part of every docs. | 08:08 |
| Daisy | Even we translate it, we cannot display it. | 08:08 |
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| rajeshr | Daisy, i have one query here | 08:10 |
| Daisy | I think it's a question I should ask fifieldt or AJaeger. | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | what is the query? | 08:11 |
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| rajeshr | translating whole lot of 15K word of gloassry is not that much useful | 08:11 |
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| Daisy | Glossary is not that big, rajeshr. Let me show you. | 08:12 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, rather we should concentrate on what chandankumar has proposed as fuel-cloud | 08:12 |
| Daisy | http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/content/go01.html | 08:12 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, http://docs.openstack.org/glossary/content/glossary.html | 08:13 |
| rajeshr | i was taking ^^ as a ref | 08:13 |
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| Daisy | oh. This one is bigger. | 08:13 |
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| fdot | Daisy: yes this one is bigger | 08:14 |
| fdot | who is defining the content of the glossary ? | 08:14 |
| fdot | maybe there is too many things in it | 08:14 |
| Daisy | should be doc team | 08:14 |
| chandankumar | fdot, Daisy i have proposed a fuel-cloud which contains only common entries across the docs. | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | it will be helpful to us during translation | 08:15 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: give us a link, chandankumar . Sorry I lost it. | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | i have sent the mail to the i18n mailing list | 08:15 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UYbFoANH7pFdjaEJ3aGFZcYaE22-Ierf4iB6EcbBjuk/edit#gid=0 | 08:15 |
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| rajeshr | trac page: https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/wiki/fuel-terminology/fuel-cloud | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-July/000698.html | 08:16 |
| Daisy | I think, glossary in this table means the glossary in openstack-docs repository. It will be displayed as a part of each document. | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, ^^ | 08:16 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, okay, now i can understand and then its fine | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Translating "glossary" here, is just like we translate a common document. Chandankumar's fuel-cloud would help to get a consistent translation. They are different. | 08:17 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, sorry for confusion now got it | 08:18 |
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| fdot | rajeshr chandankumar i am reading the document and i see a lot of entries wich are not relevant for a glossary | 08:18 |
| Daisy | welcome, rajeshr. chandankumar 's work will be helpful if each translation team does the fuel-cloud translation at first, and then make the content translation. | 08:18 |
| fdot | for example, defining a volume is important | 08:19 |
| fdot | but not defining Volume Source or Volume Name | 08:19 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, fdot it is open for review | 08:19 |
| chandankumar | we need your feedback to improve it | 08:20 |
| Daisy | Hope fifieldt could come and help to answer this question. | 08:20 |
| chandankumar | It is just a first draft | 08:20 |
| fdot | chandankumar: ok so how to contribute on this project ? | 08:20 |
| chandankumar | fdot, you can edit the google docs | 08:21 |
| chandankumar | fdot, we are storing the revisions in the google doc spread sheet | 08:21 |
| fdot | chandankumar: ok thanks | 08:22 |
| rajeshr | fdot, https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/wiki/contribution | 08:22 |
| Daisy | So we have a concern to "glossary" in the high priority list. I will ask it in the ML and let's see what answers from doc team. | 08:22 |
| fdot | rajeshr: thanks :) | 08:22 |
| Daisy | Based on fdot's table, I update the categories in Transifex. | 08:23 |
| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/resources/ | 08:23 |
| fdot | Daisy: i am agree with you let's talk first with the doc team ;) | 08:23 |
| rajeshr | fdot, welcome | 08:23 |
| fdot | so in the table maybe we can change the priority of the glossary | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | You could see a drop down list in the right top, click it, you could filter based on the "category" | 08:24 |
| Daisy | Anything else we should talk as to the categories? | 08:25 |
| Daisy | we move to next topic. | 08:26 |
| Daisy | #topic next steps to translation tools | 08:26 |
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| Daisy | We all know we are going to move away from Transifex. | 08:26 |
| chandankumar | yes | 08:26 |
| Daisy | Does anybody have concerns to this decision? | 08:26 |
| chandankumar | both the tools have most of the features | 08:27 |
| chandankumar | pootle + zanata | 08:27 |
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| Daisy | Although we have been working with Transifex for a long time, we have to move away from it, since it's not open source. It's a community decision. | 08:27 |
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| Daisy | We, our translators, could choose a tool by ourselves. | 08:28 |
| Daisy | open source tool. | 08:28 |
| Daisy | Now we have connections with Zanata team and pootle team. They all made a demo to us. | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | Infrastructure team helped us to set up demo websites. Both of them have demo websites now. | 08:29 |
| Daisy | chandankumar is right. Both of the tools have many features. | 08:30 |
| Daisy | It's hard to say which is better and which is not. | 08:30 |
| chandankumar | yes | 08:30 |
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| Daisy | I have an idea as to the next step. | 08:31 |
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| Daisy | I will set up a project in both Zanata and Pootle. | 08:31 |
| Daisy | two projects. One is in Zanata, and one is in Pootle. | 08:31 |
| Daisy | Let's use them to translate for a while. And let's see which one is better to use, from a translator's perspective. | 08:32 |
| Daisy | How do you think ? | 08:32 |
| chandankumar | it will be good. | 08:33 |
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| Daisy | If you have suggestions to help making decision, please speak out. | 08:33 |
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| rajeshr | ur idea is fine, after set up please mail | 08:33 |
| camunoz | hi Daisy, Carlos from the zanata team here... just ping us if you need any help setting that project up | 08:33 |
| Daisy | Thanks, camunoz . | 08:33 |
| fdot | Daisy good idea +1 :) | 08:34 |
| Daisy | Different people have different views. Infrastructure team would care about how easy it is to set up and maintain such a tool. Our translators should view from the usability perspective. | 08:35 |
| chandankumar | camunoz, ^^^ | 08:35 |
| epico | yeah | 08:35 |
| Daisy | So let's see how the usability of these tools by translating with them. | 08:35 |
| Daisy | OK. let's move to open discussion. | 08:36 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussions | 08:36 |
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| Daisy | I have two topics here. | 08:37 |
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| Daisy | Pairs summit will come soon. | 08:37 |
| Daisy | If you have translators who want to join but no free tickets, please email me. | 08:37 |
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| Daisy | camunoz: if you want to join, email me too. :) | 08:38 |
| fdot | is there a deadline for sending the list ? | 08:38 |
| Daisy | the soon the better. | 08:38 |
| fdot | ok | 08:38 |
| camunoz | Daisy: will do. thx! | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | fdot: I think there should be many people who want to go from Paris. | 08:38 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, rajeshr probably will be going to paris summit. | 08:38 |
| fdot | is there a way to see in transifex which are the top contributors for a language ? | 08:39 |
| Daisy | fdot: you could estimate a number, and let me know the number. | 08:39 |
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| Daisy | No, no such function in Transifex. | 08:39 |
| fdot | daisy: Ok i will send you by e-mail asap :) | 08:39 |
| fdot | Ok I will find an another way | 08:39 |
| Daisy | rajeshr: do you have free registration key to pairs summit? | 08:39 |
| rajeshr | no i don;t have :) | 08:40 |
| Daisy | fdot: I think the deadline for ATC registration code is Aug 24. | 08:40 |
| Daisy | rajeshr: so I will get 1 for you. | 08:40 |
| Daisy | fdot: but community should have some codes which have longer period of validity. | 08:41 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, thanks | 08:41 |
| fdot | Daisy: thanks | 08:41 |
| Daisy | great. | 08:41 |
| Daisy | Next topic is about Horizon translation. | 08:41 |
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| Daisy | The string freeze date is Sep 4th. Very near now. | 08:42 |
| Daisy | Horizon resources in Transifex is up to date. | 08:42 |
| Daisy | I see there are around 400+ new strings waiting for translation. | 08:42 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, will do that | 08:43 |
| Daisy | So if you have free time, you could start the translation now, then you wont' get too busy in Sep. | 08:43 |
| Daisy | I think we have at most 1 month to finish the translation. | 08:43 |
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| Daisy | since string freeze. | 08:44 |
| jpich | It might be good to start early, there are still a lot of features waiting for reviews so there'll likely be a lot of new strings added in the next couple of weeks | 08:44 |
| jpich | :) | 08:44 |
| Daisy | jpich: thanks to jump out. | 08:45 |
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| Daisy | I guess there are a lot of new features in Horizon in Juno? | 08:45 |
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| Daisy | jpich: there is a question for you. Does Horizon have features removed from Icehouse to Juno? | 08:46 |
| jpich | Daisy: Not that I can think of | 08:46 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:47 |
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| jpich | There's a lot of patches submitted, we're not quite sure at this point how many will make it through, but there's definitely still a lot going on | 08:47 |
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| Daisy | One more topic from me. | 08:48 |
| jpich | I'll keep you informed if there are exceptions approved after feature freeze | 08:48 |
| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/nova/ | 08:48 |
| Daisy | Thanks, jpich | 08:48 |
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| Daisy | Take a look at the resources under nova in Transifex. | 08:48 |
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| Daisy | Now nova messages have been split into different categories. | 08:49 |
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| Daisy | nova-translations contains all messages except log messages. | 08:49 |
| Daisy | such as API response messages, exception messages. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | In my mind, I think, we could translate such message in Juno release. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | we could translate these messages in Juno release. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | I want to get input from you. | 08:51 |
| Daisy | It's 1800+ strings in nova-translations. | 08:51 |
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| Daisy | fdot: your thoughts? | 08:52 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: and you? | 08:52 |
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| fdot | API response message are display into Horizon | 08:53 |
| fdot | so we can translate them | 08:53 |
| Daisy | Yes. | 08:53 |
| fdot | just looking if it is a lot of works | 08:54 |
| fdot | API messages are in nova-translations ? | 08:54 |
| Daisy | I remember Horzion display the API response messages directly in the UI. | 08:54 |
| Daisy | Yes. | 08:54 |
| fdot | 12 620 words | 08:55 |
| Daisy | The resources with nova-log-* are all log messages. | 08:55 |
| fdot | which is a little big | 08:55 |
| Daisy | The other messages are in nova-translations. | 08:55 |
| jpich | I'm not sure Horizon is asking for the correct language from the APIs at the moment, but it's definitely a change we'll want to make (if it doesn't happen in Juno it will be in Kilo) | 08:55 |
| fdot | jpich: thanks for the information, so we are going to wait for this change before starting this part | 08:56 |
| Daisy | Others to talk? | 08:56 |
| Daisy | No? | 08:56 |
| Daisy | I will close the meeting today. Thank you all for attending. | 08:57 |
| Daisy | #closemeeting | 08:57 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 08:58:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-08-21-08.01.html | 08:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-08-21-08.01.txt | 08:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-08-21-08.01.log.html | 08:58 |
| fdot | thanks a lot Daisy :) | 08:58 |
| epico | thanks | 08:58 |
| fdot | have a goot day / night everybody :) | 08:58 |
| Daisy | Thank you all. | 08:58 |
| Daisy | So nice to talk with you. | 08:58 |
| Daisy | byebye | 08:58 |
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| dougwig | morning | 13:58 |
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| vjay5 | morning | 13:59 |
| sbalukoff | Man, it feels like these mornings just get earlier and earlier | 13:59 |
| sbalukoff | Good morning! | 13:59 |
| rm_mobile | o/ | 13:59 |
| rm_mobile | Yep | 13:59 |
| xgerman | morning | 13:59 |
| jschwarz | it's 16:59:40 right now :) | 13:59 |
| rm_mobile | Pffft | 13:59 |
| xgerman | lucky, you! | 13:59 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 14:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| a2hill | mornin' | 14:00 |
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| rm_mobile | Morning | 14:00 |
| jorgem | morning | 14:00 |
| dougwig | #chair jorgem | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dougwig jorgem | 14:00 |
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| dougwig | #topic Documentation for V2 needs to be postponed and V1 re-instated | 14:00 |
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| samuelbercovici | hello | 14:01 |
| blogan | #link http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/lbaas_ext.html | 14:01 |
| blogan | since v2 is going into incubator, v1 docs need to be put back in | 14:01 |
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| xgerman | so, where do the incubator docs live? | 14:01 |
| samuelbercovici | is going to incubation final? | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | hey dougwig, do you want to run the agenda today? I'm guessing the meeting started right before I joined? | 14:01 |
| dougwig | who do we contact, or file a bug, or? | 14:01 |
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| blogan | xgerman: that is something to be determined, we need more details o nthat | 14:02 |
| dougwig | jorgem: i set you as an extra chair, so you can take over if you want. | 14:02 |
| xgerman | Min talked about a doc chnage | 14:02 |
| blogan | xgerman: definitely should get min to save that doc work somewhere though | 14:02 |
| dougwig | but np either way | 14:02 |
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| dougwig | who wants the action item to follow this up? | 14:02 |
| xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107603/ | 14:02 |
| jorgem | dougwig: I'll let you take a stab at it today ;) | 14:02 |
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| blogan | xgerman: im not sure if she needs to file a bug or a new review for this | 14:03 |
| samuelbercovici | guys. is moving to incubation final? | 14:03 |
| dougwig | #action dougwig follow-up on doc reversion | 14:03 |
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| blogan | samuelbercovici: i'd say its a 99.999% certainty | 14:03 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: blogan: +1 | 14:03 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: let's transition to that... | 14:03 |
| xgerman | dougwig, why would we reverse - we can just say in incubation? | 14:03 |
| dougwig | xgerman: because unless we hear differently, v1 is still going to be supported in juno. | 14:04 |
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| dougwig | #topic Update on incubator | 14:04 |
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| blogan | xgerman: from what I have read about the incubation, is that the docs shouldn't change until graduation, either way, v1 docs still need to be there | 14:04 |
| dougwig | mestery: are you around for a quick incubator update? | 14:05 |
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| xgerman | ok, I only read about experimental things being in horizon | 14:05 |
| blogan | or markmcclain | 14:05 |
| samuelbercovici | why should it move to incubation? is there anyone who prefer this over waiting on review queue until we get into trunk? | 14:05 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: no one preferred it, it's just what is happening with neutron | 14:05 |
| blogan | sameulbercovici: kind of a new policy for new extensions | 14:06 |
| samuelbercovici | blogan: but lbaas is not a new extension | 14:06 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: it's been made clear that we're not far enough along with v2 for Juno. | 14:06 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: v2 technically is | 14:06 |
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| samuelbercovici | dougwig: then I think it is better to remain on review queue for Kilo than get moved to incubation | 14:06 |
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| dougwig | i don't think we're going to be given that choice. nor is gbp. we're still waiting final word. | 14:07 |
| blogan | sameulbercovici: we argued the points for a while now, and I think we've all accepted its going to happen. Other features/extensions that are actually more mature than v2 are also going into the incubator | 14:07 |
| * TrevorV late but here, sorry | 14:07 | |
| samuelbercovici | lbaas is different than gbp. I think that the api is in consensus | 14:07 |
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| xgerman | samuelbercovici +1 | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: You'll get no argument from me on that, but I don't think we're going to change the minds of the core devs on this. | 14:08 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: we're just saying, the debate has been had, we have no choice | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | As I've ranted about extensively in other places, I think this is a political thing, and LBaaS has become a pawn in the battle. | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | Well, LBaaS v2, I mean. | 14:09 |
| blogan | but we shall move forward now, and not look to the past, right? right? | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 14:09 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: if you check out last week's minutes for this meeting, kyle and mark joined and spoke at length about the incubator. i don't think us not doing it was on the table. | 14:10 |
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| blogan | mestery_: ping | 14:10 |
| rm_work | samuelbercovici: yeah, they were soliciting comments and arguments last week, until the end of the meeting when they said the patch was about to go in to do it, and I asked if the decision had already been made, and they said yes >_> | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | Speak of the devil! | 14:10 |
| rm_work | specifically mestery_ said yes. welcome mestery_ :) | 14:10 |
| dougwig | he's been pinging in and out of IRC since i woke up. not sure if he's still at linuxcon. | 14:11 |
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| blogan | that's probably an auto rejoin | 14:11 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh, haha! | 14:11 |
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| blogan | anywho, back to the docs | 14:11 |
| xgerman | also mestery announced the incubator officially at liunuxcon | 14:11 |
| rm_work | yeah :( | 14:11 |
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| samuelbercovici | dougwig: already did so. | 14:11 |
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| vjay5 | What is the fate of V1. There were talks about moving V1 as well to incubation? | 14:11 |
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| jschwarz | (where can we find last week's minutes?) | 14:11 |
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| * mestery is lurking while at Linuxcon in Chicago at the moment. | 14:12 | |
| dougwig | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/ | 14:12 |
| blogan | xgerman: do you think Min can follow up on at least getting V1 docs re-instated and at least getting V2 marked as preview/experiemental/incubated? | 14:12 |
| samuelbercovici | so the incubation is going to be the dump bin for any code whic is not core? | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | Oh he is here! Sorry to have implied you were the devil earlier. ;) | 14:12 |
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| xgerman | bloga, yes, I can ask her | 14:12 |
| blogan | xgerman: okay thanks, because v1 docs really do need to remain | 14:12 |
| xgerman | nah, everybody should use v2 | 14:13 |
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| dougwig | samuelbercovici: it's not supposed to be. we have been assured it is not. | 14:13 |
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| rm_work | samuelbercovici: despite what dougwig says, I'm pretty sure you're right :P | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, the hope is that that doesn't happen with incubator. | 14:13 |
| jorgem | xgerman: lol | 14:13 |
| rm_work | but we'll see | 14:13 |
| blogan | vjay5: v1 will probably remain in tree, but no official word on it so that could change | 14:13 |
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| samuelbercovici | dougwig: we were also assured at the begginning that we can start the api all over and it will be fine..... | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | I'm trying to be optimistic, folks! | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | (Though I'm not sure I can achieve blogan levels of optimism.) | 14:14 |
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| rm_work | blogan / vjay5: I'd actually like to see v1 pulled out of tree, if we're going to be stuck in incubator with v2 | 14:14 |
| a2hill | I thought I was pesismistic, then I met sbalukoff | 14:14 |
| rm_work | but that may be a lost cause argument | 14:14 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: its called denial and large quantities of alcholol! | 14:14 |
| a2hill | +s | 14:14 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: yes, we were. and that's what has most of us a tad bit unsettled (or a lot unsettled.) | 14:14 |
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| blogan | alcholol is the type of alcohol that makes you laugh | 14:14 |
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| dougwig | rm_work: i'm very against pulling v1 out of tree, until it has something to replace it. | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: So that's what I've been doing wrong! I need to take up drinking. | 14:15 |
| vjay5 | we cant pull out v1, we have some customers who have deployed our solution | 14:15 |
| vjay5 | it has been there for 2 releases now | 14:15 |
| blogan | vjay5: i think that actually is the reason to keep it in tree | 14:15 |
| crc32 | brb | 14:15 |
| rm_work | dougwig: if v1 is out of tree, it makes the argument for splitting off easier :P | 14:15 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig is right that pulling v1 out of tree screws over users and vendors with v1 deployments / drivers | 14:15 |
| samuelbercovici | so back to the criteria of selecting code into incubation, and I beg pardon for acting the lawyer here. Is there a reason why an API which is in concensus can't be done on trunk but must pass via incubation? | 14:15 |
| rm_work | but also there is supposedly "no reason projects from the incubator can't be deployed easily along with neutron" | 14:15 |
| blogan | rm_work: can't screw over the customers because of a political maneuver | 14:16 |
| jorgem | rm_work: that's what I thought | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | I would totally settle for v1 being officially deprecated in Juno. Not sure how feasible that is. | 14:16 |
| rm_work | yeah, but they keep assuring us things are deployable to prod from incubator directly | 14:16 |
| rm_work | so | 14:16 |
| xgerman | rm_work I just read an e-mail where the packagers revolted and said no to the incubator | 14:16 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: you'll have to take that up with mestery and markmcclain | 14:16 |
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| samuelbercovici | blogan: ok | 14:16 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: the decision of where things start/mature is in the hands of the neutron cores. | 14:16 |
| rm_work | xgerman: well, ok then >_< | 14:16 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: Really? Was this public somewhere? | 14:17 |
| dougwig | blogan: +1 | 14:17 |
| jorgem | xgerman: So we are back to no incubator then? | 14:17 |
| rm_work | if that's the case, I am back to having some problems with the incubator plan again | 14:17 |
| jorgem | xgerman: geesh | 14:17 |
| * mestery is catching up on emails now. | 14:17 | |
| mestery | The funny thing is, I had spoken to packages (not Ihar) and they said the incubator could be packaged | 14:17 |
| mestery | So need to clarify that. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | mestery: Please do! | 14:17 |
| a2hill | sbalukoff, theres an email thread where this is being dicussed | 14:17 |
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| rm_work | yeah, having incubator packaged was one of the concessions that made it somewhat bearable as a solution | 14:17 |
| dougwig | link? | 14:17 |
| blogan | mestery: too many rumors swirling around, we need official details on this ASAP, rumors tend to kill any momentum | 14:17 |
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| jorgem | +1 | 14:18 |
| samuelbercovici | dougwig: I am working in this community for the last ~3 years. to me incubation is a place out of focus. why would any core who has his hands full, spend time to llok at code in incubation? this is beyond my understanding | 14:18 |
| mestery | blogan: ++ | 14:18 |
| rm_work | samuelbercovici: i think that is one of the main fears, yes | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 14:18 |
| rm_work | though they said we'd get some of our own additional reviewers in incubation | 14:18 |
| blogan | rm_work: they said they were thinking about it, it wont happen in the beginning | 14:19 |
| jorgem | rm_work: That's still not defined very well though | 14:19 |
| rm_work | :/ | 14:19 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: i'm really not the right person to be asking. the theory is that the review requirements will be different, and more iterative. but i can't speak for the cores. | 14:19 |
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| rm_work | so that may not happen either? really? :/ | 14:19 |
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| dougwig | rm_work: additional reviewers means less chance of graduation. if i had to guess, they want to see how it's going to work, and add reviewers if necessary. but that's just a guess. | 14:19 |
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| samuelbercovici | is this incubation, already in place? | 14:20 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: no | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: Nope | 14:20 |
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| rm_work | I thought markmcclain said the patches were going in last week? | 14:20 |
| rm_work | guess that didn | 14:21 |
| rm_work | *didn't happen | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Hasn't landed yet, from what I understand. | 14:21 |
| rm_work | hah, what a surprise, a review is delayed :P | 14:21 |
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| rm_work | guess it even happens to the PTL | 14:21 |
| blogan | so until we get more information, rehashing all of this is really just a waste of time | 14:21 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 14:21 |
| dougwig | last i heard, the code for the incubator was, "waiting on a few items." not sure if that was code items, or review feedback. | 14:21 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 14:21 |
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| xgerman | also we aleways have the mailing list | 14:21 |
| dougwig | +1, but i didn't want to cut anyone off. | 14:21 |
| dougwig | ok, to move on to next topic? | 14:21 |
| dougwig | #topic LBaaS v2 Client Code | 14:22 |
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| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111475/ | 14:22 |
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| jschwarz | The current implementation of the v2 client code lets in some confusion vs the v1 client code | 14:22 |
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| dougwig | how so? | 14:23 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111475/ | 14:23 |
| jschwarz | A comment regarding this issue was made by Yair (not here today) and dougwig also -1 until we talked about it... time we talk about it I think | 14:23 |
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| jschwarz | the whole 'lb-pool-create' vs 'lbaas-pool-create', etc is very confusing to first-timers and people who aren't up to speed | 14:24 |
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| dougwig | ah, right. yair was very opposed to have v1 and v2 available at the same time, with slightly different command names. | 14:24 |
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| jschwarz | while it is okay to provide both v1 and v2 client APIs, I think there should be a stronger separation there | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | So, I would vote to deprecate all the v1-specific commands when v2 is available. | 14:24 |
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| sbalukoff | But, I think we were told at the mid-cycle hack-a-thon this wasn't an option. | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | That we needed to have both available at the same time. | 14:25 |
| dougwig | yair's argument was to now allow both extensions to be present at the same time. | 14:25 |
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| dougwig | /now/not/ | 14:25 |
| jschwarz | sbalukoff, wouldn't this be right after v2 reached graduation? | 14:25 |
| a2hill | prepending commands to ease confusion between versions? | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | jschwarz: Keep in mind this code was written and this direction set before such a concept as "graduation" existed. | 14:25 |
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| jschwarz | we must all adapt to changes in the project, it seems ;-) | 14:26 |
| dougwig | yair's point was that "neutron lb" and "neutron lbaas" were sufficiently similar so as to likely cause users to make mistakes. | 14:26 |
| sbalukoff | So what do we see as the 'right way' of doing this? | 14:26 |
| dougwig | whoa, grammar fail. | 14:26 |
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| sbalukoff | Or rather, what would the core devs see? | 14:26 |
| blogan | yeah and that is a good point, and something we should address | 14:26 |
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| xgerman | (after all we couldn't version) | 14:27 |
| blogan | and I'd be fine with saying v1 and v2 cannot be active at teh same time | 14:27 |
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| dougwig | blogan: +1, and why i dropped a supporting -1. | 14:27 |
| jschwarz | I heard a suggestion of a configuration option specifically allowing v1 or v2, but not both | 14:27 |
| vjay5 | blogan: +1 | 14:27 |
| jschwarz | sort of like "ENABLE_LBAAS_V2 = True/False" | 14:27 |
| dougwig | does anyone feel strongly that they should both be allowed at the same time, outside of dev environments? | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | You heard it here folks: My -1's have actually been "supportive" | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 14:27 |
| vivek-ebay | it was discussed at hack-a-thon that v1 and v2 cannot be active at same time | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | Again, I can't fault Craig's code here because he implemented this this way based on direction from the core devs. | 14:28 |
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| samuelbercovici | the reason was to allow olad code that was using v1 to move to v2 by having both apis with a shim | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | But I think he'd also be in favor of disabling v1 when v2 is in use and visa versa. | 14:28 |
| blogan | vivek-ebay: i don't remember that all, but my memory from the hackathon has all but faded | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | not sure if we still want to do so | 14:28 |
| jschwarz | No fault for Craig's code intended | 14:28 |
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| blogan | samuelbercovici: no point in dong a shim now | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | blogan +1 | 14:29 |
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| samuelbercovici | blogan +1 | 14:29 |
| dougwig | blogan: +1 | 14:29 |
| samuelbercovici | did yair say, what he would consider acceptable? | 14:29 |
| blogan | so would the best way to do it for the client to say that all calls go through lb? | 14:29 |
| blogan | as in lb-pool-create works for both v1 and v2? | 14:30 |
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| jschwarz | samuelbercovici, we did not have a length discussion about this, I'm afraid | 14:30 |
| blogan | (this would imply that the client would have some way to discover which version the server is running) | 14:30 |
| dougwig | the request from the tempest folks was that the interfaces be the same but different for v1 vs v2. | 14:30 |
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| dougwig | as in, in favor of 'neutron lb' for both. | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | "the same but different" | 14:30 |
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| samuelbercovici | blogan: this would be really probalmatic with "old" scripts | 14:30 |
| samuelbercovici | I still prefere different naming | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | Excellent specification there. ;) | 14:30 |
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| blogan | would "neutron lb" vs "neutron lbv2" be a better option? | 14:31 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: i'm not the best one to argue that point, since i don't agree with that facet of the objection | 14:31 |
| jschwarz | there could be different naming, but then I would suggest specifically enabling either one but not both | 14:31 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Aah, sorry-- I thought that was a direct quote | 14:31 |
| dougwig | neutron lbv2-create-pool looks horrible. :) | 14:31 |
| jschwarz | so if I created a pool in v1, I wouldn't be able to try to add a member to that pool in v2 | 14:31 |
| xgerman | no | 14:31 |
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| xgerman | no mixing of APIs | 14:32 |
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| xgerman | also the db migration makes it diffiuclt without shim | 14:32 |
| blogan | jschwarz: you wouldn't be able to add a v2 member to a v1 member currently, it'd say member id not found | 14:32 |
| dougwig | yairs point is that if you run one set of commands, and then the other, you get an non-intuitive error (he's right). i'm not sure that it necessarily follows that the commands must be the same, just that both not be present. | 14:32 |
| jschwarz | blogan, I know, but it wouldn't prevent confusing for the users | 14:33 |
| jschwarz | s/confusing/confusion/g | 14:33 |
| blogan | jschwarz: i know, and i agree it'll be confusing to users | 14:33 |
| samuelbercovici | the best would be to take if with him on IRC and then maybe on ML | 14:33 |
| blogan | samuelbercovici: "old" scripts would only have a problem if v2 used the same lb prefix, and if v2 was enabled on the server right? | 14:34 |
| samuelbercovici | blogan: to me the current naming is fine | 14:34 |
| samuelbercovici | blogan: lb vs. lbaas is fine to me | 14:34 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: +1 | 14:34 |
| dougwig | does anyone here today feel strongly that the api endpoints and cli commands should match v1 where they overlap? because if not, we're arguing with a phantom. | 14:35 |
| blogan | sameulbercovici: is it fine even when they're both enabled together? | 14:35 |
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| samuelbercovici | and I think we all are fine with this. so the discussion should be taken with yair to see how to address his concern | 14:35 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:35 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 14:35 |
| jschwarz | I agree with Yair | 14:35 |
| dougwig | i'm going to move on, unless there's part of this we haven't discussed... | 14:36 |
| blogan | jschwarz: can you start a ML thread about it? | 14:36 |
| jschwarz | blogan, sure, either me or Yair on sunday | 14:36 |
| blogan | jschwarz: hopefully Yair will come into as well | 14:36 |
| johnsom | +1 | 14:36 |
| dougwig | #action jschwarz Discuss v1/v2 api naming issue on ML | 14:36 |
| dougwig | #topic What is LBaaS v1 in Juno? | 14:36 |
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| blogan | vjay: you added this didn't you? | 14:37 |
| dougwig | whoever added this agenda item, the floor is yours. | 14:37 |
| vjay5 | yes | 14:37 |
| blogan | vjay5 | 14:37 |
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| vjay5 | i added this | 14:37 |
| vjay5 | i wanted to make sure V1 is sure to be in the main tree | 14:37 |
| blogan | vjay5: i'd say that is a probability, but not a certainty | 14:37 |
| blogan | vjay5: we won't know until we get more details | 14:38 |
| dougwig | i have not heard even a single hint from the cores that it won't be. | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. Similar discussion to earlier. | 14:38 |
| rm_work | yeah, again, they have told us that even incubator will be packaged for production -- so, it shouldn't matter -- but either way we need more details to really discuss this | 14:38 |
| vjay5 | so these discussions are core only? or is it somewhere public for people to particpate | 14:38 |
| samuelbercovici | there are pople using v1, you can't take it away without a replacement | 14:38 |
| vivek-ebay | yes, i think v1 is un-touched | 14:39 |
| blogan | dougwig: i heard at some point it was something that they "were exploring" | 14:39 |
| rm_work | vjay5 / samuelbercovici: right, so either it will be in core, or it will be packaged in incubator -- one of the two | 14:39 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: If incubator is pursued as intended with good faith, moving v1 there isn't "taking it away" | 14:39 |
| sbalukoff | per se. | 14:39 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff +1 | 14:39 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:39 |
| sbalukoff | but again, I think this is a fruitless discussion until we get more details. | 14:39 |
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| blogan | +1000 | 14:40 |
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| rm_work | [09:38:26] <rm_work> yeah, again, they have told us that even incubator will be packaged for production -- so, it shouldn't matter -- but either way we need more details to really discuss this | 14:40 |
| a2hill | That is if the packagers get on board and decide to actually package the incubator? | 14:40 |
| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: I don't agree. status in thigs in incubation and packaging them is not same as core | 14:40 |
| xgerman | well, there always is github | 14:40 |
| blogan | xgerman: and stackforge! | 14:40 |
| dougwig | ok, we're devolving into another incubator rant without info. | 14:40 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:40 |
| rm_work | yes | 14:41 |
| rm_work | either way we need more details to really discuss this | 14:41 |
| blogan | vjay5: have we answered your question with enough uncertainty? | 14:41 |
| jorgem | indeed | 14:41 |
| vjay5 | how are these details and info communicated? | 14:41 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:41 |
| xgerman | dougwig you are syaing it likes a bad thing :-) | 14:41 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: Given my level of skepticism on this, I'm sure you probably know I agree with you. ;) | 14:41 |
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| blogan | vjay5: I'm assuming it will be announced on the ML, but even that is unclear | 14:41 |
| dougwig | ok, moving on... | 14:41 |
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| vjay5 | ok..lets move to next topic then | 14:42 |
| dougwig | #topic Is Juno open for fixing v1 bugs? | 14:42 |
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| sbalukoff | Yes please! | 14:42 |
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| vjay5 | I added this as well | 14:42 |
| jorgem | Doesn't this depend on our previous discussion? | 14:42 |
| dougwig | i've seen v1 reviews and cores commenting on them, so i'm inferring the answer here is 'yes'. | 14:42 |
| sbalukoff | vjay5: Very good question. I have no idea. | 14:42 |
| jorgem | Thus, we should wait until more info is available? | 14:42 |
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| dougwig | jorgem: yep. | 14:42 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:43 |
| blogan | i know eugene has done some bug fixes for v1, but I htink they were mroe stability bug fixes for neutron | 14:43 |
| vjay5 | we were not submitting V1 small enahancements and bugs on the driver because we were intending to move V1. | 14:43 |
| dougwig | but i'd say that with fpf today, if you have a v1 fix, submit it. | 14:43 |
| vjay5 | s/v1/v2 | 14:43 |
| vjay5 | so there is not last date yet right? | 14:43 |
| vjay5 | s/not/no | 14:43 |
| vjay5 | file a bug and upload the fix | 14:43 |
| xgerman | there probably is but we don't know | 14:43 |
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| vjay5 | no restriction like august 21 for bugs i suppose? | 14:43 |
| blogan | this is actually probably another casualty of the incubator, is that since we were focused on v2, v1 bug fixes were overlooked, and now it doesn't look so good | 14:44 |
| dougwig | i'd submit your v1 fixes, not wait. worst case, it gets ignored. | 14:44 |
| sbalukoff | vjay5: It would be a really good idea to get those submitted today. | 14:44 |
| vjay5 | ok. thanks! | 14:44 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 14:44 |
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| blogan | i gotta go | 14:44 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:44 |
| blogan | adios | 14:44 |
| xgerman | bye | 14:44 |
| dougwig | anyone have anything else, or we'll break early ? | 14:45 |
| sbalukoff | I got nothin' | 14:45 |
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| jorgem | same | 14:45 |
| xgerman | 0 | 14:45 |
| rm_work | dougwig: we could rant about incubation for another 15 min? | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | does anyone knows of a missing critical featur that is still required to get v2 core into juno? | 14:45 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 14:45 |
| vivek-ebay | I have a question | 14:45 |
| rm_work | I mean, since we have the time... | 14:45 |
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| rm_work | samuelbercovici: well, we are running up against the clock on TLS... but I don't know if we required that in Juno V2 | 14:46 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: no tempest tests, no horizon, the ref driver doesn't have an agent, so can only run on one box, general unproven stability. | 14:46 |
| samuelbercovici | I am preparing to discuss with Kyle, and as far as I know we have everyting required (API, Tests, CLI, driver and reference implementation) | 14:46 |
| jorgem | I feel like incubation is the start of Skynet | 14:46 |
| samuelbercovici | am i missing something? | 14:46 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:46 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 14:46 |
| rm_work | samuelbercovici: well, TLS is still totally missing components | 14:46 |
| samuelbercovici | I am talking core v2 | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: What is your question? | 14:47 |
| vivek-ebay | Suppose user created a LB with few members in a pool. | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | I prefer to have this in Juno and complete the rest for Kilo if possible | 14:47 |
| rm_work | samuelbercovici: ok, so TLS isn't req for core v2 | 14:47 |
| rm_work | ? | 14:47 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: tests and the ref driver not being able to scale. | 14:47 |
| vivek-ebay | members are supposedly instance member IPs | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | I think that we can get pass with unscalalble ref driver | 14:47 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: but by all means, have the conversation. we'll cross our fingers for you. | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | what avout tempest, I thought it was worked on? | 14:48 |
| a2hill | There some missing container communication for the TLS ref impl | 14:48 |
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| vivek-ebay | when tenant/user removes instance from nova...will LB continue to have that member within the pool ? | 14:48 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: minimal api tests. not in detail, and no scenarios. | 14:48 |
| a2hill | Ive submitted the review for it, but without Barbicans work complete it wont do anything | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: Yes. | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | since member IPs are not strictly tied to nova instances. | 14:48 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: momentum/work stopped about 2-3 weeks ago, when the incubator came into play. | 14:48 |
| vivek-ebay | later some other tenant can get the same IP, and cause unexpected behavior | 14:48 |
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| vivek-ebay | we should somehow enforce removal of member if instance is being removed. | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: So if the other tenant is on a different internal network, that shouldn't happen. | 14:49 |
| dougwig | vivek-ebay: members don't have to be instances. | 14:49 |
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| rm_work | yeah I have about 1300 lines of barbican code still waiting for review -- and more to write on the neutron-lbaas side to get barbican up and working | 14:49 |
| vivek-ebay | in our case, tenants shares networks | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | But it could if the IP being referenced is accessible from the first tenant's network (eg. the IP being referenced is "public" in some way) | 14:49 |
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| dougwig | safer would be to add something to the member indicating if it was a nova instance, so the cleanup wouldn't need to infer anything. | 14:50 |
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| samuelbercovici | dougwig: I agree. but we can still make at least with core v2. It is a question of seeing what is missing to get this done and focus on it! | 14:50 |
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| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: Then, yes the problem you describe exists, but forcing removing of a member is problematic since they don't correspond 1:1 with instances. | 14:51 |
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| vivek-ebay | we have written a notification handler to handle such cases | 14:51 |
| vivek-ebay | handler listens for instance deletion notification and calls lbaas api to remove member from existing pool. | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: I think our window for that has essentially closed while we were waiting on core reviewer feedback on the core changes three weeks ago. :/ | 14:52 |
| vivek-ebay | but was thinking if this can be generically addressed. will be a common problem. | 14:52 |
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| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: You'd need to have some way to know that the lbaas member actually corresponds with the nova instance. Is IP address enough to know that? | 14:53 |
| vivek-ebay | no, we modified schema to also contain instance uuid | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: In other environments, it's not necessarily a problem because tenants don't share back-end networks. | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: aah! | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: Is that attribute required? | 14:54 |
| vivek-ebay | for us yes, but should be optional in general | 14:54 |
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| sbalukoff | I don't think we can force lbaas members to correspond with nova instances. That would break some users' configurations. | 14:54 |
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| sbalukoff | vivek-ebay: So, that's not a bad idea. | 14:54 |
| vivek-ebay | correct..we want it to be independent | 14:55 |
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| sbalukoff | Make it an optional attribute of the member, and then the code can auto-clean stuff with your notifier. | 14:55 |
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| dougwig | heh. i said that at 8:50 sbalukoff | 14:56 |
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| dougwig | :) | 14:56 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Why use one statement to get to the point when I can use 10? ;) | 14:57 |
| vivek-ebay | :) | 14:57 |
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| dougwig | heh. | 14:57 |
| dougwig | 2 minutes. | 14:57 |
| vivek-ebay | ok, time to wrap up i guess | 14:57 |
| rm_work | yeah, i guess my team just... took off to our sprint planning meeting >_> | 14:58 |
| rm_work | I guess they thought we were done :P | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Well, we're done now! | 14:58 |
| dougwig | i'd suggest moving the member discussion to the ML | 14:58 |
| rm_work | later all! | 14:58 |
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| rm_work | \o | 14:58 |
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| xgerman | bye | 14:58 |
| dougwig | bye | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:58 |
| vivek-ebay | bye all | 14:58 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 14:58:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-21-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-21-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-21-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 15:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| gordc | hey folks | 15:00 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| kurtrao | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | first meeting i'm running on my end so feel free to call me out if i miss anything | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| kudva | Hi | 15:01 |
| cdent | hola | 15:01 |
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| kudva | this is my first meeting to discuss a small change blueprint I have submitted | 15:01 |
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| gordc | kudva: cool cool. welcome | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | kudva: welcome | 15:02 |
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| nealph | o/ | 15:02 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
| pradk | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | cool. lets assume quorum... i think a lot of people are away this week so this might be quick. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | #topic Juno-3 planning | 15:03 |
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| * nealph thinks quick is okay... :) | 15:03 | |
| gordc | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:03 |
| gordc | here's a list of bps and bugs we're tracking for j-3... | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:03 |
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| gordc | at last check they've all had code pushed to gerrit so we can all start reviewing | 15:04 |
| gordc | nsaje: any concerns on partitioning work? | 15:04 |
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| nsaje | gordc: no, awaiting further feedback from interested parties that haven't reviewed it yet | 15:05 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, nsaje, /me having not possibly the concerns, but just something to say | 15:05 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: go for it | 15:05 |
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| DinaBelova | idegtiarov and I are working on kind of testing of this HA patch to see if it works, etc. and how | 15:05 |
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| DinaBelova | possibly some other efforts here will be cool as well | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | to have many eyes here | 15:05 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: agreed, open invite on reviews for this patch since it's a pretty feature. | 15:06 |
| kurtrao | I still wonder if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104784/ could be landed. Looks like there's no discussion anymore. Both pros and cons are made clear | 15:06 |
| gordc | pretty unique feature | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, yes, indeed | 15:06 |
| gordc | pretty feature too.lol | 15:06 |
| gordc | kurtrao: i haven't really tracked that since... i'll take a look. | 15:07 |
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| gordc | for bps not yet accepted. please continue to work on them. | 15:07 |
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| gordc | today is unofficially feature proposal freeze day but that's to be discussed with eglynn when he comes back | 15:07 |
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| gordc | just keep working on it but no guarantees for juno | 15:08 |
| kurtrao | gordc: Yes. That's why I want to push it | 15:08 |
| gordc | kurtrao: seem to be a lot of -1's... is there a new patch expected? | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, these -1s are conceptual ones and depend much on personal opinion as far a I remember | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | so we need kind of boss to decide :) | 15:09 |
| kurtrao | gordc: I think for the new meter, no more patches. But there's room for improvement, in separate BPs | 15:10 |
| kurtrao | gordc: you can refer to the author's last comment | 15:10 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: i see... err. everyone is a boss so more eyes are better. i'll try to take a look later today | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, cool :) | 15:10 |
| gordc | carrying on. llu-laptop any concerns with your snmp work? or just need reviews on your patches? | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | just needs review | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | one patch has landed, the second needs review | 15:11 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: cool cool. let's get that merged. | 15:11 |
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| llu-laptop | got stuck by a strange jenkins doc error | 15:11 |
| gordc | my work regarding normalising data is up... there's discussion on performance with srinivas from HP... we'll post it to patch for people to track. | 15:12 |
| gordc | if others could verify there's no performance hit on their end that'd be great. | 15:12 |
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| gordc | nealph: you still blocked with doc issues or you ok? | 15:12 |
| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/paas-event-format-for-ceilometer | 15:13 |
| nealph | gordc: good to go. Added ildikov to the review for some initial feedback. | 15:13 |
| gordc | nealph: cool cool. good to hear. | 15:13 |
| nealph | DinaBelova: you probably have some thoughts too...jump in. | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | nealph, /me jumping :) | 15:14 |
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| nealph | when it's final-ish I'll add add'l folks from the PaaS services to comment too. | 15:14 |
| nealph | evangelize, sort of. | 15:14 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I could build nealph's patch locally, so it should be good in general, I added one tiny comment that was an issue with Sphinx in it | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | nealph, good practice :) | 15:15 |
| gordc | ildikov: awesome. | 15:15 |
| gordc | so i guess that's it for current bps. regarding juno-3, please help review the bps out there... | 15:15 |
| cdent | gordc, grenade stuff | 15:15 |
| cdent | I'm pretty much blocked on the grenade/javelin2 stuff. | 15:15 |
| gordc | cdent: right | 15:15 |
| ildikov | gordc: I hope dhellmann will have some idea about the general doc issue that was also raised by nsaje on the dev ML not so long ago | 15:15 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i'll bring that up after cdent's part | 15:16 |
| cdent | jogo has presented some concerns on whether ceilometer should even be in javelin, on the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102354/ | 15:16 |
| gordc | cdent: did you get any feedback from joe or sean? | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, well, it appeared this night I guess | 15:16 |
| jogo | cdent: further discussion is needed | 15:16 |
| cdent | and I've got a pending message to the list trying to figure out how to get some info on making the test actually robust: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043372.html | 15:16 |
| gordc | cdent: i mean it'd be good to have an upgrade path for ceilometer tested. | 15:17 |
| cdent | So until the furuther discussion happens (however it happens), I'm not sure what's up. | 15:17 |
| gordc | i think we have one resource here that might be able to take a look at it tomorrow and give feedback. | 15:17 |
| jogo | cdent: I haven't had a chance to follow up on that | 15:17 |
| gordc | jogo: thanks for the input. | 15:17 |
| cdent | I think the main crux of this is how robust we want the testing to be. It can be much simpler than I've done it but then there will be ambiguities. | 15:18 |
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| jogo | cdent: robust and simple | 15:18 |
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| jogo | cdent: anyway I will try to follow up offline | 15:19 |
| cdent | thanks jogo | 15:19 |
| gordc | jogo: cdent: awesome. | 15:20 |
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| ildikov | DinaBelova: I couldn't check what has changed related to sphinx, or at least what I could check that didn't in the near past | 15:20 |
| gordc | cdent: if you're still blocked tomorrow or monday we can try elevating to bigger group. | 15:20 |
| cdent | roger gordc | 15:20 |
| gordc | anything else for juno-3? | 15:20 |
| gordc | if not, please carry on... give some reviews for current bps | 15:20 |
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| gordc | bps not approved will be tbd for juno but plesae continue working on them with some hope it'll be in juno | 15:21 |
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| gordc | #topic broken docs job | 15:21 |
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| gordc | ildikov: you have an update? | 15:22 |
| gordc | or did you an DinaBelova hash it already? | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | :) | 15:22 |
| ildikov | gordc: not that much actually as I couldn't find a root cause for this issue | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | well, gordc, last time /me was looking on it, it was smth really strange, as ceilometer.agent seems to have no link with wsme | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | and its sphinxext module | 15:23 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: yeah, i'm not sure there's a connection there either | 15:23 |
| nsaje | does anyone how Sphinx decides which extension to use for a class? | 15:23 |
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| nsaje | *anyone know | 15:23 |
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| nsaje | the exception happens in https://github.com/stackforge/wsme/blob/master/wsmeext/sphinxext.py#L348 | 15:23 |
| gordc | I'll take a look as well... dhellmann ^^ any guesses to sphinx issue? | 15:23 |
| nsaje | and ServiceDocumenter does not have a can_document_class() method | 15:23 |
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| DinaBelova | nsaje, ++ | 15:24 |
| ildikov | gordc: DinaBelova: the expert of Sphinx in OpenStack is dhellmann, or at least I've never had an issue with Sphinx of which he couldn't know the answer/fix... | 15:24 |
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| nsaje | on a long shot, it is possible it's getting confused because there's a service.py file in ceilometer.alarm | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | ildikov :) | 15:24 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: there are several extensions that are used during the different stages of the docco build | 15:24 |
| gordc | dhellmann, ryanpetrello would be great resources to ask. we'll try reaching out today. or if someone figures it out let us know in openstack-ceilometer | 15:24 |
| gordc | circle back to this later? | 15:25 |
| ildikov | nsaje: where the problem occurs now is after the stage where the docstrings are read from the actual code | 15:25 |
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| ildikov | gordc: yeap, I don't think we could add more to this now | 15:25 |
| nsaje | ok, let's take this off-meeting | 15:25 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:25 |
| gordc | #topic Tempest status | 15:25 |
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| gordc | any updates here? | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, me trying to understand what was that strange error | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | in my reverting change | 15:26 |
| gordc | which my patch fixed? or the grenade error you saw after? | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | grenade one | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, thanks for the your patch, btw | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | it was a little surprising for me :) | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | that error | 15:27 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: hmm. i hadn't had a chance to look at it but i'll try later today... it seemed like some keystone stuff | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, yes, it was - but it's kind of floating bug | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | I found other bugs (not the same) looking like that | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | but not this one | 15:27 |
| * gordc hoping it's a simple recheck | 15:27 | |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: i'll try debugging that later today i think. | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, /me rechecked, waiting in progress | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, if it'll be needed | 15:28 |
| gordc | any other blockers? experimental check working good? | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, yes, all the time | 15:28 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: cool cool. anyone else with tempest issues? | 15:28 |
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| gordc | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:29 |
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| gordc | jd__: any update here? or you on vacation? | 15:29 |
| * DinaBelova wanted to ask if somebody knows about influxdb status | 15:29 | |
| jd__ | I'm not on vacation | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | I'm waiting for a review from eglynn | 15:30 |
| jd__ | on archiving policy | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | and I should continue to work on that branch then | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | if jd__ would ask, I'm on an internal workshop, so I couldn't get there this week... :S :( | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I was about to ask you ildikov :) | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | Eoghan has proposed his change (and my one with OpenTSDB) for a while ago, but I don't know what's the influxdb status at least | 15:30 |
| gordc | jd__: i'm not sure eglynn will get around to it until next week... do you have a link? | 15:31 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: do you mean in Gnocchi or in general? | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | well, in general, as it leads us to the Gnocchi | 15:31 |
| jd__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/gnocchi+branch:master+topic:jd/archiving-policy,n,z | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | we needed some of their features | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, and while they were not ready eglynn's change was not full | 15:32 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: i'll follow up with eglynn.. i'm not sure what status is for influx but it's still a driver we're intending on supporting at last check | 15:32 |
| jd__ | so yeah things have slowed down a little but I hope to continue on that soon | 15:32 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: yeap, I remember that long list from the mid-cycle, I just wasn't 100% sure that you meant that also | 15:32 |
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| gordc | jd__: awesome. sorry haven't looked at any of the patches. | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, yes, indeed | 15:32 |
| jd__ | np | 15:32 |
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| gordc | #action eglynn - update on influxdb support in gnocchi | 15:33 |
| gordc | i've no idea how to use action ^ | 15:33 |
| gordc | but good enough | 15:33 |
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| gordc | any other items regarding gnocchi? | 15:34 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I think this will be enough for eglynn, we he checks the logs :) | 15:34 |
| gordc | ildikov: perfect. | 15:34 |
| gordc | moving on. | 15:34 |
| gordc | #topic Future of the integrated release ML thread - update? | 15:34 |
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| gordc | i'm not sure who added this? | 15:35 |
| nsaje | probably Eoghan | 15:35 |
| gordc | but i've been following the thread and just haven't replied to avoid fanning the flames. | 15:35 |
| ildikov | gordc: it can happen that it's a leftover from last week | 15:35 |
| nealph | gordc: I think the general comment would be for folks to track the ML if they're interested. | 15:35 |
| gordc | but side note. if anyone does have concerns... be it ceilometer, stacktach, monasca, another monitoring tool... | 15:36 |
| ildikov | anyway, seems to be an endless thread there | 15:36 |
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| gordc | feel free to bring it up on openstack-ceilometer or offline... whatever you're conforatable wiht... | 15:36 |
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| gordc | and onwards we go. | 15:37 |
| gordc | #topic Ceilometer Client bug update | 15:37 |
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| gordc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ceilometerclient/+bug/1351841 | 15:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1351841 in python-ceilometerclient "python-ceilometerclient does not works without v3 keystone endpoint" [High,Triaged] | 15:37 |
| gordc | fabiog: any update on this? | 15:37 |
| fabiog | gordc, I checked the bug using 0.10.2 (Keystone) and 1.0.11 (Ceilometer) | 15:38 |
| fabiog | in devstack | 15:38 |
| fabiog | and I cannot reproduce the bug | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, hehe, funny thing... | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | as usually | 15:38 |
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| gordc | fabiog: yeah... i think i tried as well and it didn't come up. | 15:38 |
| gordc | fabiog: maybe we need to bump our requirements? | 15:38 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I guess that's the ultimate latest Devstack then | 15:39 |
| nsaje | I'd like to appeal to the core team to show some love to python-ceilometerclient :-) | 15:39 |
| fabiog | gordc, a fresh devstack picks those versions | 15:39 |
| nsaje | plenty old patches with one +2 | 15:39 |
| ildikov | fabiog: as a week ago, or smth like, I faced with this issue after a fresh devstack install using the admin port in the auth url | 15:39 |
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| gordc | nsaje: we don't need your politiking here | 15:40 |
| gordc | :) | 15:40 |
| cdent | hah! | 15:40 |
| nsaje | hehe :) | 15:40 |
| fabiog | ildikov: I suspect it was the combination of ceilo client and keystone client that weren't compatible | 15:40 |
| fabiog | never the less, if you specify a wrong IP address for auth_url, then Keystone should return that it does not find | 15:40 |
| gordc | but yeah, remember: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-ceilometerclient,n,z | 15:40 |
| fabiog | and instead it blows | 15:40 |
| fabiog | so I filed a bug against Keystone client | 15:40 |
| ildikov | nsaje: got it, but the fact is that a day still consists of 24 hours... :( | 15:40 |
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| gordc | fabiog: so i guess recommendation is to use latest keystoneclient? | 15:41 |
| fabiog | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1359412 | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359412 in python-keystoneclient "keystone discovery command throws exception" [Undecided,New] | 15:41 |
| fabiog | gordc: yes | 15:41 |
| gordc | fabiog: awesome. i noticed you commented on bug as well... | 15:41 |
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| gordc | thanks for looking at it. | 15:41 |
| fabiog | gordc: and make sure that the auth_url is correct | 15:41 |
| ildikov | fabiog: so nova and glance worked fine with the url:port como, only ceilometer client was not working with those params | 15:41 |
| fabiog | gordc: no problem | 15:41 |
| ildikov | gordc: fabiog: I guess it's the third version of the same issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1350533 | 15:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350533 in ceilometer "CommandError: Unable to determine the Keystone version to authenticate with using the given auth_url: http://127.0.0.1:35357/v2.0" [High,Confirmed] | 15:42 |
| fabiog | ildikov: I tested glance and nova and they work | 15:42 |
| ildikov | or well, the first in time | 15:42 |
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| fabiog | ildikov: for the related bug on alarms try with a fresh devstack and see if you can replicate the issue | 15:43 |
| ildikov | fabiog: in my devstack install that I mentioned they worked for me too, I only had issues with Ceilometer, but I will refresh my devstack env and will check | 15:43 |
| gordc | ildikov: cool cool. let us know if it works... or if you need help on that bug. | 15:44 |
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| ildikov | ok, I will close the bug which has my name on it as we have two other versions for it and I do not have time now to deal with it further and it seems that it would be a duplicated work anyway | 15:44 |
| fabiog | ildikov: make sure that you are using the correct IP address for the auth_url for Keystone, it should not be localhost | 15:44 |
| gordc | ildikov: sounds good. just mark it as duplicate of whatever bug fabiog has i guess | 15:45 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I used the right one | 15:45 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I at least triple checked it :) | 15:45 |
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| gordc | ildikov: one more time! | 15:45 |
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| fabiog | gordc: please assign it to me | 15:46 |
| ildikov | fabiog: but I will install a fresh devstack env and will get back to you with version info, if I still see this error | 15:46 |
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| fabiog | gordc: if there are duplicates I will be able to quickly see if the problem still persist | 15:46 |
| ildikov | fabiog: gordc: so we have three bug reports now | 15:46 |
| ildikov | fabiog: gordc: let's pick one that we will update and mark the rest as duplicates | 15:47 |
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| gordc | ildikov: can you paste them here or mark them as duplicates of the one fabiog is assigned to | 15:47 |
| ildikov | fabiog: gordc: I will administer it, no probs, just tell me which one should remain as active | 15:47 |
| gordc | fabiog, you can track duplicated bugs on the right side in launchpad | 15:48 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, I will mark them | 15:48 |
| gordc | thanks ildiko! | 15:48 |
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| gordc | ok, i think we're good. | 15:48 |
| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:48 |
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| gordc | free for all | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, I have some interesting thing :) | 15:48 |
| kudva | Hi | 15:48 |
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| DinaBelova | kudva, ok, please be free to be first | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:49 |
| kudva | I wanted to discuss a predictive failure alert metric addition | 15:49 |
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| kudva | We have implemented a 'host predictive failure' which runs as a plugin on the host | 15:49 |
| gordc | kudva: new feature? | 15:49 |
| kudva | gordc: yes I think so | 15:49 |
| gordc | ok. | 15:49 |
| nsaje | kudva: tell us more | 15:49 |
| kudva | when we detect a failure we add a notification for possible failure so that all vms running on it can be migrated away. | 15:50 |
| kudva | we were able to do this with very little code | 15:50 |
| kudva | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/predictive-failure-metric | 15:50 |
| kudva | it works for us. | 15:50 |
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| gordc | kudva: elevator pitch... side note: could you write a detailed item here: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer-specs | 15:50 |
| kudva | We wanted to know how to contribute this to the community code | 15:50 |
| kudva | gordc will do | 15:50 |
| gordc | kudva: we track our specs there for everyone to review | 15:50 |
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| gordc | kudva: start with spec write up... it won't get into juno as i'm assuming it's not a short patch. | 15:51 |
| kudva | gordc: will do. Didn't know the exact procedure for proposing and acceptance for ceilometer. We have contributed code directly to other projects | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | kudva, yeah, spec will be good | 15:51 |
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| gordc | kudva: yeah. new process most projects implemented this cycle | 15:51 |
| nsaje | kudva: what emits this predictive failure alert? | 15:51 |
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| kudva | gordc: About 10 lines of code total as you can see in this blueprint | 15:51 |
| kudva | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/predictive-failure-metric | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | kudva, that's new practice for the BPs acception | 15:51 |
| kudva | DinaBelova: Ah, ok. I thought it was a blueprint, so I put the link above for review | 15:52 |
| llu-laptop | kudva: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 15:52 |
| kudva | gordc: So, I put an entry into ceilometer-specs and then need to have it approved? | 15:52 |
| gordc | kudva: err.. yeah so take your spec and match it to the template... | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | kudva, BPs are technically non-delitable in the LP, so we want to have smth deletable in the gerrit | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | if smth will be unacceptable not to create new onew and new onew | 15:53 |
| gordc | kudva: if it's really small, it may get into juno? i don't want to give false hope though | 15:53 |
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| DinaBelova | ones* | 15:53 |
| gordc | kudva: yeah, we'd approve specs...but you can post code at the same time | 15:53 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, ++ | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | for this small change both spec + code will be good | 15:53 |
| kudva | gordc: okay will do both together asap | 15:53 |
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| gordc | kudva: cool cool | 15:54 |
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| kudva | gordc: thanks! | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | kudva, if you'll do that today, you'll have more chances for juno | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | and me :) | 15:54 |
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| kudva | DinaBelova: yes, will do it today :) | 15:54 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, today I got performance benchmarking results of ceilo on real lab | 15:54 |
| ildikov | gordc: FYI, bug administration done, I will update the active one, when I have the fresh env | 15:54 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: sweet! | 15:54 |
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| gordc | ildikov: thanks so much | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | I have some nice stuff for the 2000VMs and 1min pollong :) | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | polling* | 15:55 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: are you using ilya's testing script? i couldn't get it working. | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | so I'm going to prepare doc/blogpost to present the results | 15:55 |
| cdent | DinaBelova++ | 15:55 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: was just going ot ask about posting results | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | no-no, we were testing load on the disks, io, etc. | 15:55 |
| cdent | eagerto see that | 15:55 |
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| DinaBelova | so we used rally to perform the load | 15:55 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: awesome...ignore the ilya's script part. | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | gordc :) | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | this benchmarking stuff had this disks, CPU, etc. load aim | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | the only thing I can say now that 1sec polling kills nova :) | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | for sure :) | 15:56 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: can you post on openstack-ceilometer when it's up? i don't know how else we can share it. | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, yes, for sure! | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | I hope to have docco tomorrow and blogpost tomorrow or on MOnday | 15:57 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: yeah. i think that was known... if i recall there's a bp to address that? | 15:57 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: awesome | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, :) | 15:57 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101814/ not for juno but something | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, a-ha | 15:58 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: if you have alternative solution that'd be cool too. | 15:58 |
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| gordc | but anything else? | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | okay, my LP network connection seems to die :-\ | 15:58 |
| gordc | anyone? | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | will look asap | 15:58 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: cool cool | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, not from me | 15:59 |
| cdent | nor me | 15:59 |
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| gordc | apologies for lying and saying this would be a short meeting. | 15:59 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc :D | 15:59 |
| nsaje | tsk, tsk | 15:59 |
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| gordc | everyone happy or happy enough? | 15:59 |
| gordc | 3 | 15:59 |
| gordc | 2 | 16:00 |
| gordc | 1 | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | I guess that's it :) | 16:00 |
| nsaje | thanks guys, see you tomorrow! | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | bye! | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 16:00:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-08-21-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-08-21-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-08-21-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| fabiog | bye! | 16:00 |
| gordc | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| * cdent waves | 16:00 | |
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| idegtiarov | bye | 16:00 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting nfv | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 16:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| bauzas | tic tac | 16:01 |
| ijw | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 16:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 16:01 | |
| sgordon | who is here for the nfv meeting :) | 16:01 |
| * bauzas needs to be faster next time | 16:01 | |
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| bauzas | \o | 16:01 |
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| lukego | Howdy | 16:02 |
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| kuba1 | o/ | 16:02 |
| sgordon | i see an ijw, bauzas, vjardin_, lukego, kuba1 | 16:02 |
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| sgordon | #info plan is to try the alternating times for a few weeks and see what attendance is like | 16:03 |
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| sgordon | #info sgordon, bauzas, ijw, lukego, kuba1, vjardin_, cloudon1 | 16:03 |
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| sgordon | no doubt others | 16:03 |
| sgordon | ok | 16:03 |
| sgordon | #topic review actions from last week | 16:03 |
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| vjardin_ | Steve> I almost missed that session, thanks Luke to notifying me | 16:03 |
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| lukego | welcome :) | 16:04 |
| ijw | Yeah, earlier warnings might help (though I think I'd probably still have missed it) | 16:04 |
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| sgordon | sooo | 16:04 |
| sgordon | we're here | 16:04 |
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| sgordon | which means i did action item # 1 | 16:04 |
| sgordon | set up the alternating schedule | 16:04 |
| adrian-hoban | Hi Folks | 16:04 |
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| sgordon | i removed the extensible resource tracker from the wiki as not nfv-specific | 16:04 |
| sgordon | and tried to update the wiki to track status for juno | 16:05 |
| sgordon | still plenty of catch up to do there though.... | 16:05 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to continue trying to bring the wiki up to date with current status | 16:05 |
| bauzas | just wondering if the dashboard might help... | 16:05 |
| sgordon | bauzas, "sort of" | 16:05 |
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| sgordon | bauzas, it's good for reviewing what is in flight | 16:05 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: yeah, I understand | 16:06 |
| sgordon | bauzas, not so good for "that spec was never approved or no work has been summitted" | 16:06 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: I'm just thinking about other webpage for tracking this | 16:06 |
| sgordon | which brings me to | 16:06 |
| sgordon | #info Feature Proposal Freeze is August 21 (today) | 16:06 |
| sgordon | sooo | 16:06 |
| sgordon | does anyone have a proposal that was tagged on the wiki and approved but does not have code up yet? | 16:06 |
| sgordon | my understanding is for nova an exception will require *three* cores to approve this time around | 16:07 |
| sgordon | not sure about neutron and other projects | 16:07 |
| bauzas | sgordon: johnthetubaguy confirmed he tied up Launchpad with NeedCodeReview states for Nova if it was missing | 16:07 |
| sgordon | great that helps | 16:08 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: so we can reasonably count on Launchpad for Nova | 16:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I plan to sort out launchpad, its not been done yet, only done the medium and high stuff so far | 16:08 |
| sgordon | #info Nova requires three core reviewers to sign up for feature proposal freeze exceptions this time around | 16:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: thanks for that | 16:08 |
| jchapman_ | #sgrordon Some of my code is up but not all. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/input-output-based-numa-scheduling | 16:08 |
| sgordon | #info johnthetubaguy in the progress of updating nova BP entries to match reality | 16:09 |
| jchapman_ | #sgordon, i have a dependency on some work from Daniel and Nikola | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but tomorrow morning, blueprints will get −2ed if they don't have all their code up, or its not clear if they have all their code up for review | 16:09 |
| sgordon | jchapman_, ok | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sgordon: awesome, that really helps me out when thats done | 16:09 |
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| sgordon | jchapman_, are the patches you are reliant on in flight? | 16:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, read that the wrong way around, running away | 16:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: thanks again | 16:10 |
| sgordon | johnthetubaguy, haha | 16:10 |
| sgordon | johnthetubaguy, i wish i could | 16:10 |
| sgordon | johnthetubaguy, i dont have access to fix up bp stuff for ones i dont own | 16:10 |
| jchapman_ | sgordon, they were uploaded yesterday | 16:10 |
| bauzas | jchapman_: lemme check | 16:10 |
| sgordon | jchapman_, ok | 16:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sgordon: feel free to leave a note in the whiteboard, if you see something obvious, that would help when I come along | 16:11 |
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| sgordon | jchapman_, if there is any possibility of getting yours up today that would be easier than an exception | 16:11 |
| sgordon | jchapman_, recognize that might be a challenge though | 16:11 |
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| jchapman_ | sgordon, we will try :( | 16:11 |
| bauzas | jchapman_: do your work require another patch, or everything is OK with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108634/ ? | 16:12 |
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| bauzas | jchapman_: FPF is for specs that haven't code submitted and yours has | 16:12 |
| jchapman_ | sgordon, we will upload another patch soon. This will be to extend the NUMA sched stuff from Daniel and Nikola | 16:12 |
| sgordon | #topic FPF | 16:12 |
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| bauzas | jchapman_: then you have to do it today | 16:13 |
| sgordon | #info jchapman_ working on additional I/O scheduling patch based on danpb and ndipanov's NUMA work | 16:13 |
| jchapman_ | bauzas, gulp | 16:13 |
| bauzas | jchapman_: yeah I know, life sucks | 16:14 |
| bauzas | :) | 16:14 |
| ndipanov | jchapman_, heads up - I am changing some of the stuff due to review comments - although not fundamentally - just removing data from the instance | 16:14 |
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| sgordon | ok | 16:14 |
| jchapman_ | ndipanov, thanks | 16:14 |
| sgordon | so we need to keep the dialog going on that | 16:14 |
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| bauzas | jchapman_: I would suggest you to rebase your next patch on the whole ndipanov's patch series | 16:14 |
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| ndipanov | coming tomorow europe time to a gerrit near you | 16:15 |
| sgordon | i wanted to highlight a few that do have patches up w/o negative feedback | 16:15 |
| jchapman_ | bauzas Ye im in the process of rebasing now | 16:15 |
| sgordon | #topic BP code w/o negative feedback | 16:15 |
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| sgordon | #info SR-IOV https://review.openstack.org/#/q/98828,n,z | 16:15 |
| sgordon | #info VIF_VHOSTUSER https://review.openstack.org/#/q/96140,n,z | 16:16 |
| sgordon | lukego, you had some comments about the latter? | 16:16 |
| sgordon | comments/updates? | 16:16 |
| lukego | Right | 16:16 |
| lukego | The code is getting good reviews and all seems well on that front. but, | 16:16 |
| lukego | the only Neutron code that depends on it is the Snabb NFV mech driver, and I have had an unexpected request from Neutron core to develop that out-of-tree for a while, because they are overloaded with new drivers and still working on new policies to accomodate them | 16:17 |
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| lukego | and while I want to be helpful and accomodating to the overloaded Neutron core, I hope this does not impact the vhost-user getting merged, because that’s useful to a bunch of people. | 16:17 |
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| sgordon | right | 16:17 |
| sgordon | that is a question i can't really answer | 16:17 |
| sgordon | anyone here from the nova team have an opinion? | 16:18 |
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| * bauzas passes... | 16:18 | |
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| lukego | well... | 16:19 |
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| sgordon | taking that as a no | 16:19 |
| sgordon | lukego, is there a m/l thread tagged [nova] to raise this? | 16:19 |
| bauzas | sgordon: +1 | 16:20 |
| sgordon | #info some concern about impacts of neutron out of tree driver proposal on vhost-user merge | 16:20 |
| bauzas | lukego: IIUC, your nova patch is making use of a Neutron driver that is not yet merged ? | 16:20 |
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| lukego | sgordon: no. I am trying to get the Neutron core feedback made in a public space that I can reference, e.g. with a patch to untarget the mech driver from juno with a rationale | 16:20 |
| lukego | bauzas: no. the nova patch is stand-alone. it’s just that there is no code in neutron that will use it immediately if the mech driver doesn’t merge | 16:21 |
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| bauzas | lukego: from my understanding, Neutron API is not driver-dependent | 16:21 |
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| bauzas | lukego: do you make use of new features in Neutron ? | 16:21 |
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| lukego | bauzas: in the nova patch? no, it is really small and stand-alone and has no dependencies on Neutron. | 16:21 |
| bauzas | lukego: I mean, does your Nova patch make use of something tested by Tempest for Neutron or something totally new ? | 16:21 |
| bauzas | lukego: then I can't see the dependency with Neutron :) | 16:22 |
| ijw | His Nova patch is a new plugging model - this is not going to have a Tempest test without Neutron working, and that won't be in | 16:22 |
| lukego | bauzas: ok :). my fear was it would be “why add this to Nova before it’s needed by Neutron?” objection | 16:22 |
| vjardin_ | bauzas: but it would help to break the eggs to start getting VHOSTUSER even if not used yet. I think it reaches a consensus that it'll be needed. | 16:22 |
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| lukego | I think it would be valuable within the NFV group to all know that we can use VHOSTUSER going forward, and easier to do this if it’s in tree and we don’t all have to backport it out of Gerrit.. | 16:23 |
| vjardin_ | lukego: +1 | 16:23 |
| bauzas | lukego: well, please send an email to -dev then, because I'm really not sure that you won't get objections | 16:23 |
| cloudon1 | +1 | 16:24 |
| lukego | bauzas: ack | 16:24 |
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| sgordon | lukego, sure - challenge is proving it in the gate w/o an implementation | 16:24 |
| bauzas | lukego: that said, I haven't reviewed your patch, so I'm unable to see the impacts | 16:24 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: +1 | 16:24 |
| ijw | sgordon: at least this is dead code for people who aren't using it - the testing will be poor but there will be no bugs that affect others | 16:25 |
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| sgordon | #action lukego to highlight vhost-user current state on -dev | 16:25 |
| sgordon | ijw, yeah i agree | 16:25 |
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| bauzas | ijw: the problem is that dead code can be alive for many people wanting to contribute on it or use it | 16:25 |
| adrian-hoban | lukego: Agree it will be useful and would like to see this work merged. | 16:25 |
| sgordon | ijw, i also am onboard with the fact it's going to be needed sooner or later | 16:25 |
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| ijw | Yup, it's true and for the minute we'll have to watch reviews like a hawk | 16:25 |
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| lukego | thanks for the support all :) | 16:26 |
| sgordon | np | 16:26 |
| sgordon | so i had two other minor tweaks that are on the dash | 16:26 |
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| sgordon | just client support for find and evacuate host bp | 16:26 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/75025,n,z | 16:26 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/76859,n,z | 16:27 |
| sgordon | other than that | 16:27 |
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| sgordon | #link http://nfv.russellbryant.net/ | 16:27 |
| bauzas | sgordon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76859/ can be debated | 16:27 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: because that's impacting V3 | 16:27 |
| ijw | Not sure I see the relevance of host evacuation to NFV | 16:27 |
| sgordon | bauzas, that is the v3 one right? | 16:27 |
| bauzas | sgordon: correct | 16:28 |
| sgordon | whether it's important or not is also debatable | 16:28 |
| bauzas | sgordon: I have to assume this one probably won't get merged | 16:28 |
| sgordon | yeah not sure that is really a problem given where the v3 api discussion is at anyway | 16:28 |
| bauzas | sgordon: but the V2 one sounds good to me | 16:28 |
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| sgordon | ijw, my loose understanding is typically this type of function is being performed from a higher level orchestrator for nfv atm | 16:29 |
| bauzas | sgordon: +1 | 16:29 |
| sgordon | ijw, so it's a nice to have rather than crucial | 16:29 |
| ijw | I can see it's done by an orchestrator but I can't see how it affects NFV even so | 16:29 |
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| sgordon | desire to re-schedule using the same logic that was used when originally placing the VNF | 16:30 |
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| sgordon | problem here of course is persistent scheduler hints was not approved | 16:31 |
| sgordon | so not sure how useful it is in isolation | 16:31 |
| bauzas | sgordon: that whole discussion will probably be raised during next summit | 16:31 |
| sgordon | yeah | 16:32 |
| bauzas | sgordon: we need to figure out what is the best API/contract in between computes and scheduler | 16:32 |
| sgordon | almost without a doubt | 16:32 |
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| sgordon | #info Long list of Work In Progress Or Unverified patches progressing | 16:32 |
| sgordon | so we have a long list of work in progress | 16:32 |
| sgordon | bt most appears to have pretty recent updates | 16:33 |
| sgordon | (as in, today) | 16:33 |
| sgordon | so not sure that is too concerning | 16:33 |
| sgordon | other than the inevitable upcoming review crunch... | 16:33 |
| bauzas | sgordon: if you look at these, that's because of a whole patch series failed mainly | 16:34 |
| ijw | I think we should be looking at ahead at some of the patches we've not succeeded with and will want to get in in Kilo | 16:34 |
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| ijw | ... early in Kilo, whenit's quiet | 16:34 |
| sgordon | ijw, i 100% agree | 16:34 |
| sgordon | 110 even | 16:35 |
| ijw | All the ones that cause me problems failed, which is disappointing | 16:35 |
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| sgordon | i am trying to get the wiki up to date so we have a clear picture of what is in juno and what is outstanding | 16:35 |
| sgordon | and then focus on outstanding | 16:35 |
| sgordon | ijw, understood | 16:35 |
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| ijw | At this point it's basically nag people to review and think ahead | 16:35 |
| sgordon | yes | 16:36 |
| sgordon | also need to work out how to do a better job of highlighting on the neutron side | 16:36 |
| adrian-hoban | I'm sure we'll have a new set of potential work items to be added between now and Kilo too... | 16:36 |
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| sgordon | which seems to be where we have been really stuck on a lot of things | 16:36 |
| ijw | I think we need to nominate marun as our delgate to the core team | 16:36 |
| sgordon | if he is game... | 16:37 |
| sgordon | anyway | 16:38 |
| sgordon | i dont actually have anything else on my list for this week | 16:38 |
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| sgordon | as ijw said at this point for juno it is really keep iterating what did get approved, be persistent about following up on reviews | 16:38 |
| ijw | The complaints I got were that we weren't engaging with them. My assumption was that we went to them when we had something; their argument was that we shoudl involve them at the start to work out whether we were in sync | 16:39 |
| sgordon | and start looking forward on what we could do better for kilo | 16:39 |
| sgordon | ijw, yes that is the feedback i got as well | 16:39 |
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| sgordon | ijw, so i think having a roadmap of what we want to try achieve earlier will be important | 16:39 |
| sgordon | ijw, as this time we really only got it together post summit | 16:39 |
| sgordon | though we all had ideas of what we wanted to achieve before that no doubt | 16:40 |
| sgordon | #topic open discussion | 16:40 |
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| sgordon | ok | 16:41 |
| sgordon | i am going to close this out | 16:41 |
| ijw | Ok, mail hte roadmap out to the list ;) | 16:42 |
| sgordon | i would appreciate any help / thoughts on better breaking up the wiki to make it clearer what is going to remain outstanding | 16:42 |
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| sgordon | and needs to go on that roadmap | 16:42 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon formulate nfv roadmap/goals *before* summit and send to list | 16:42 |
| sgordon | will probably do co-ordination for the above on list as well | 16:43 |
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| sgordon | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 16:43:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| sgordon | thanks all | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-08-21-16.01.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-08-21-16.01.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-08-21-16.01.log.html | 16:43 |
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| bauzas | thanks | 16:43 |
| adrian-hoban | Cheers | 16:43 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 22:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 22:01 |
| dkranz | hi | 22:01 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | heh, it'll be a nice quick meeting today :) | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_21_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:02 |
| asselin | hi | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:02 |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's get started, maybe more people will trickle in later | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack now part of the QA program | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack now part of the QA program (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:02 | |
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| mtreinish | I just wanted to make an announcement on this | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer's governance change landed earlier this week | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | so the devstack repo is now officially part of the qa program | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | this was announced on the ML a couple of weeks ago | 22:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: does that really change anything? | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | no | 22:03 |
| andreaf | yay welcome dtroyer and devstack team to the QA program | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | but it felt news worthy :) | 22:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure :) | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | ok anything else on this? | 22:04 |
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| masayukig | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041731.html | 22:04 |
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| masayukig | ^^^? | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: yep that was the ML post | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:05 |
| masayukig | ok, thanks :) | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Starting a QA liaison system (like oslo) (mtreinish) | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Starting a QA liaison system (like oslo) (mtreinish) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:05 | |
| mtreinish | so this was another topic that came up briefly on the ML | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | as a branch on the giant future of the integrated release thread | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042938.html | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | I'm thinking setting up a similar liaison program to oslo might make sense for qa | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | I was hoping to get some opinions on it before I made an announcement on the ML | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | the concept is there is a dedicated person who will attend the qa meeting and champion project specific things | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: you mean to liason with domain experts in projects around tempest? | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah so a nova-dev volunteers and will be a goto point for anything overlapping between tempest and nova | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | or grenade and tempest | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | etc | 22:08 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: doesn't moving functional tests to projects reduce the need for that. Not saying it is a bad idea. | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | wow can't type | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well only to a certain extent | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | and not necessarily, since functional testing haven't really been spun up in force | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | yet | 22:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right, but would we have 15 new people at our meeting doingnot so much? | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | well hopefully they'd be involved | 22:09 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I have advocated for this in the past. | 22:10 |
| andreaf | is it restricted to meetings? | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | my thoughts were this would be especially useful with the tempest lib migration | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: no it's more than just meetings | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 22:10 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, then I have no real concern | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | that's the oslo page for them | 22:10 |
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| andreaf | ok because it would be useful if I'm reviewing a cinder test patch to have a contact on cinder side to perhaps jump him and clarify a few things | 22:11 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: or ask for a review | 22:11 |
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| dkranz | Until now the message we got was "Add Core reviewers" which doesn't really work | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | andreaf, dkranz: well normally I just bug jgriffith on irc for those :) | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | but, yeah that's the idea having a dedicated person who will help us for other project use cases | 22:12 |
| gmann_ | mtreinish: so in case of review, will it be compulsory to have +1/2 from them before approval? or just their opinion would work may be through IRC etc | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | gmann_: no, it wouldn't be compulsory | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | gmann_: it's just about having a known person to contact | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | gmann_: mkoderer is signed up right now as the oslo liaison for tempest so it might make sense to ask his opinion on this too | 22:13 |
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| andreaf | it seems like a good idea to me | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah that was what I thought | 22:14 |
| dkranz | I agree | 22:14 |
| masayukig | agree | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | anyway I'll take it to the ML | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | and we'll go from there | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | but I think starting at the end of Juno/start of Kilo we'll probably have this in place | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there isn't anything else on this let's move on | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: yes, we can corner people at the summit :) | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, yeah | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | #topic Can we start using smoke tag for its intended purpose? (dkranz) | 22:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Can we start using smoke tag for its intended purpose? (dkranz) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:16 | |
| mtreinish | dkranz: the floor is yours | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So I just wanted to know if there is any blocker on this ow | 22:16 |
| dkranz | now | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | well your sub bullet | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | because master is still used for icehouse | 22:16 |
| dkranz | The only issue I see is the icehouse neutron runs that still use smoke | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | but if we switch that job to just run network | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | I think we can get around it | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | my only concern is knowing what is valid for smoke and not | 22:17 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: that would be good | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: you mean how we decide to label something as smoke? | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | I think having a db of run history will be useful for figuring that out | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | which means I need to get https://review.openstack.org/108003 working soon | 22:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yeah. One idea was to have just one test for each specific api be smoke, and no negative. | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I was imagining a more metric based approach tests that fail above a certain freq would be good smoke tests (because they're testing common fail points) | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: because picking one test still has the issue of which test | 22:19 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Sure but many will not have failed much, except for unrelated reasons | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: So I'm not sure how much metric info will be available | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's those unrelated reasons that make it a good test, because they're tickling a common issue | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well that was the long running db thing I'm working on is to collect and aggregate that data over a relase or 2 | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | but yeah it's still a long term thing | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Well, for many fails it is just trying to create a server | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | so we'll probably need to figure out criteria in the short term | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I'm throwing out the "one per api" as a starting point | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah but over a long time the incidental failures can be filtered out | 22:22 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Because we will want at least that | 22:22 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: so what exactly has to be done to deal with the icehouse issue? | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: we need to add a new job definition, verify that it runs the same tests, and switch config to use it | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: You want to change the icehouse neutron job to just run network tests? | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah just use the regex 'network' and exclude slow should do the trick | 22:24 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: but that won't run the same tests as the current job whic hruns smoke from all services | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: then we need to add the attr network-legacy-test or something like that which'll be picked up by the regex | 22:25 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway, we can discuss this outside the meeting | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | or we could do network and new attr tag | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on this topic? | 22:25 |
| dkranz | no | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a spec review to bring up | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sorry I haven't had a chance to look at the ssh auth one in detail yet | 22:26 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94741/ | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: :) | 22:26 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, ok that's the only one I had in mind | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, I'll try to take a look at it soon, its a good one to work on | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | but at this point I don't see it getting finished until kilo | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | I feel we've got enough open dev work for juno at this point | 22:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, probably not - other bp are taking most of the time | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any other specs to bring up? | 22:28 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish, but it's a tricky one so it would be good to get some ideas before the summit | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, yeah I'll definitely look at it before summit... | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on then | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/ | 22:29 |
| dkranz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/client-checks-success | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok how's that going? | 22:30 |
| dkranz | There are some patches up we should look at quickly because they suffer from rebases | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: link? | 22:30 |
| dkranz | Also, we chould increase the priority because this is needed before clients can be moved to tempest-lib | 22:30 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/client-checks-success,n,z | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/client-checks-success,n,z | 22:31 |
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| dkranz | I gave -1 to the top one | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: as for the prio I viewed this as more of a best effort thing which is why I made it low | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | Sure. Just noting that the tempest-lib thing needs it | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | mostly because we can update things without really changing funcitonality | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: does it? because we still need to return the headers from the lib | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | it would just add an extra assert | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | and if we do it in pieces we can do it right before I guess too | 22:33 |
| dkranz | sure | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: but I'm fine bumping it if you think it's warranted | 22:34 |
| dkranz | These patches don't stop the headers from being returned but they are ignored | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | set it at whatever you feel it should be | 22:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | so we've still got a bunch of open bps for the cycle | 22:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That's it. Just a request for reviews on these | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | and not so much time | 22:35 |
| asselin | will bp's be accepted after J3? | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have not had a chance to look at the cleanup patch | 22:35 |
| asselin | bp implementation I mean. | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | asselin: yes | 22:35 |
| jgriffith | andreaf: BTW, always feel free to just grab me on IRC as mtreinish suggested :) | 22:35 |
| andreaf | jgriffith, will do thanks :) | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: heh, I was just giving you a hard time :) | 22:35 |
| dkranz | jgriffith: I do :) | 22:35 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: adahms :) I think it's perfectly valid :) | 22:36 |
| jgriffith | sorry to interrupt | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | asselin: we don't have a feature freeze like the other projects | 22:36 |
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| asselin | mtreinish, I plan to continue work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/stress-api-tracking after J3. I need to focus on cinder work due before J3. Unless there are people waiting for it | 22:36 |
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| asselin | mtreinish, good to know | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | mostly because contributions for tempest tend to come mostly at the end of the cycle | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | after everyone else has a feature freeze and they need to implement tests | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | asselin: case and point :) | 22:37 |
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| asselin | yup :) | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | on the high prio bps | 22:37 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig, andreaf : any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-client-scenarios | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | I've seen a lot of patches moving on that | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | how many left do we have? | 22:38 |
| masayukig | yeah, The (migrating) patches statuses are MERGED:2, APPROVED:2, SUBMITTED:9, NOT YET:5 now. | 22:38 |
| masayukig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-client-scenarios | 22:38 |
| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-client-scenarios,n,z | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: ok awesome, we're getting there then | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | if people could prioritize reviews on that bp, because it blocks a couple of other things | 22:39 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, masayukig there were some more merged for related stuff like the os-networks client or the custom matcher | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah fair point that's just a list of test patches | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other bp updates? | 22:40 |
| andreaf | I have the orchestration ones assigned to me but I will be off for a week and I've been busy on other stuff so I'll remove my name for now | 22:40 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish, test-accounts | 22:40 |
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| andreaf | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/qa-specs/specs/test-accounts.html | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, well that still needs some work, we're probably going to have to drop setup class to get it working... | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ick | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah the problem is by reusing creds if we fail we leak | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | and fail includes a skip | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | in setupclass | 22:41 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, yes I just wanted to say that it uncovered somehow expected issues - in both setup and teardown at class level | 22:41 |
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| andreaf | even when using safe_setup and teardown is invoked, teardown often fails because of un-initialized attributes | 22:42 |
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| andreaf | and I've seen at least one case where credentials are deleted before other cleanups | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | sigh, yeah it's a real mess | 22:42 |
| andreaf | so a lot of issues uncovered - or made more relevant - by this bp | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: but when it's all said and done we should have much cleaner tempest runs at least :) | 22:43 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, yep | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | ok so if there aren't any other bps let's move on because we're down to ~15min | 22:44 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, I was wondering if someone is working on the branchless extension? | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: salv-orlando volunteered on monday | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | and I actually need to ping him about it after the meeting | 22:44 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, great | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | because I had some suggestions | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | yeah it's awesome, because that's holding up some patches | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: yeah I’m actually pushing the patches now | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok cool | 22:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, I'm happy to do reviews there if needed | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | but your suggestions are still welcome | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: cool that'll help, but most of it will probably be devstack and devstack-gate | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 22:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron testing (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:46 | |
| mtreinish | so the big news here is salv-orlando finally got neutron full parallel gating everywhere | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | \o/ | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure what other updates there are here though | 22:46 |
| andreaf | :) great job | 22:46 |
| masayukig | great! | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | bad news is that today an old bug came back. It started about 24 hours ago, I will track it down tomorrow | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1265495 <- 5 hits in gate today | 22:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1265495 in neutron "Error reading SSH protocol banner" [Critical,Fix released] | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | oh more ssh fun... | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: yeah it’s a tricky part where the connection works but auth fails | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | that always feels server metadata related to me | 22:48 |
| salv-orlando | Indeed that was the first thing we looked at last time. It would be fun if the metadata server is returning some other server’s ssh key | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah I think we've seen that before | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other neutron updates? | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:50 | |
| mtreinish | dkranz: is there any update on finding someone to organize a bug day? | 22:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I will do it. Is Tuesday Sept. 2 OK for folks? | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think that should work for me | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, I was going to send out an email but wanted to get some feedback here | 22:51 |
| andreaf | dkranz, sounds ok | 22:51 |
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| dkranz | We have been getting a lot less of the random stacktraces going to tempest bugs I think | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok yeah I think that'll work for most people put it on the ML | 22:52 |
| dkranz | But I'm sure there are stil some | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh that would be a nice change | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: will do | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | I get emails for each new bug and I've seen a few go by | 22:52 |
| dkranz | yeah | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | but I think most people are starting to catch on | 22:52 |
| dkranz | right | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | or just filing them against openstack-ci instead :) | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: at least that is more likely to be correct :) | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that need some extra attention? | 22:53 |
| adam_g | yea! | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | adam_g: ok, links? | 22:53 |
| adam_g | ironic has some qa requirements that need to be fulfilled before/right around feature freeze | 22:53 |
| adam_g | we need migration testing using greande from nova-bm -> ironic | 22:54 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_grenade+status:open,n,z | 22:54 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112581/ (cleanup) and the client checks | 22:54 |
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| adam_g | in addition to some grenade work, this is dependent on general tempest work we've been chipping away at, which is now shrunk to a small set of patches to devstack+tempest | 22:54 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_tempest+status:open,n,z | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | adam_g: oh lucky you, grenade patches move slowly, and 2/4 people with +2 on it are at linuxcon this week... | 22:55 |
| adam_g | the grenade sideways migration testing is based off discussion we had at the nova midcycle, and will probably progress faster when sdague is back | 22:55 |
| adam_g | right | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112581/ | 22:55 |
| adam_g | it would be *great* if the remaining tempest related work could get some review cycles, in the meantime | 22:56 |
| clarkb | adam_g: the devstack-gate side of the sideways upgrade/migration tests is done | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | adam_g: the 2 patches | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | ? | 22:56 |
| adam_g | clarkb, yeah, i saw that it merged. thanks | 22:56 |
| clarkb | adam_g: now we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111853/ and its child | 22:56 |
| * clarkb will bug fungi for that now | 22:56 | |
| adam_g | mtreinish, yeah, 2 tempest patches @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_tempest+status:open,n,z and a few more devstack patches | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | I have one commit this week too: | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/99451 | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | oh 2 actually: | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/111635 | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | adam_g: ok cool | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have any reviews to bring up? | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: on that one, yeah that'll be good to have | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I do have some initial comments already | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | but I'll do a deep dive on it tomorrow | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I was going to get to that tomorrow | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think it has some issues | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | it's also kind of a big script, which is why I was hoping for a more iterative approach earlier | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, that's what I thought too | 22:59 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Well, it does implement the spec :) | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | heh, fair enough | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other reviews | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | I guess we'll call it a meeting with 20sec left | 22:59 |
| dkranz | bye all | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| masayukig | heh, bye | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 23:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-08-21-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| gmann_ | Thanks all | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-08-21-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-08-21-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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