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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 15:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | Swami: are you in the correct meeting room, I was about to start the XenAPI meeting | 15:02 |
| Swami | sorry I might have dialed in the wrong channel. | 15:02 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 15:03:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-20-15.02.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-20-15.02.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-20-15.02.log.html | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 15:04:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | o/ | 15:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hi BobBall | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | hi johnthetubaguy | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any news on the CI front? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | infra broke me :( | 15:05 |
| BobBall | or QA | 15:05 |
| BobBall | they disabled saucy | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, right | 15:05 |
| BobBall | which meant I had to fudge it for now | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | in what way? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I've got trusty I think ready to go but not flicked the switch yet | 15:06 |
| BobBall | FORCE=yes ;) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | change packages? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | no | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fair enough | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on that? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I'll have to update to trusty soon though | 15:07 |
| BobBall | #link http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/recent_finished.txt | 15:07 |
| BobBall | shows we're doing OK ATM | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 70 failures though, 260 passed | 15:07 |
| BobBall | #link http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/all_failures.txt | 15:07 |
| BobBall | shows that the recent failures are primarily made up of 'no tempest failure detected' | 15:07 |
| BobBall | which now seems to be down to devstack failing to run due to various bugs | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats sucky | 15:08 |
| BobBall | for example http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/76/96476/2/17587/results.html | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | 2014-07-17 15:10:26.992 | (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 | 15:08 |
| BobBall | But there are more fun ones such as http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/07/114207/13/22500/devstacklog.txt.gz | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | 2014-08-20 14:10:11.445 | 2014-08-20 14:10:11.443 4036 ERROR oslo.db.sqlalchemy.exc_filters [-] DBAPIError exception wrapped from (InterfaceError) No result set to fetch from. None None | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, funky | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess this stuff must be hitting the gate? | 15:09 |
| BobBall | some | 15:10 |
| BobBall | but I've got a bigger problem ATM | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1342080 | 15:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342080 in glance "glance api is tracebacking with "error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe"" [Undecided,New] | 15:10 |
| BobBall | seems to have broken all of the internal citrix CI :) | 15:10 |
| BobBall | no idea why | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | odd | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I did ask in #openstack-glance but no ideas there | 15:10 |
| BobBall | you got any ideas from the bug report? | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | v2 vs v1 switch? | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like a bad request | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | v2 vs v1? | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | glance v1 vs v2 | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did we land that in nova, can't remember | 15:13 |
| BobBall | was there a recent switch to v2? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe we hand a v2 url down to the plugin that only does v1, not sure | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | can't remember, it was coming soon, maybe, maybe a devstack change? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | well http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcImVycm9yOiBbRXJybm8gMzJdIEJyb2tlbiBwaXBlXCIgQU5EIFwiQmFkIHJlcXVlc3Qgc3ludGF4ICgnMCcpXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6IjE3MjgwMCIsImdyYXBobW9kZSI6ImNvdW50IiwidGltZSI6eyJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjowfSwic3RhbXAiOjE0MDg1NDc2Mzg2ODh9 shows 28,000 hits in the gate in the last 48 hours... | 15:14 |
| BobBall | which is shocking | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so something bad there | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | but e-r isn't showing it | 15:15 |
| BobBall | which is weird | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | you have to write a query for that right? I guess thats not done yet | 15:15 |
| BobBall | ah, true | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I got that query from the bug report | 15:15 |
| BobBall | but it doesn't seem to have been added to e-r | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its waiting for effort on that I guess | 15:16 |
| BobBall | I don't get it thoguh | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, all sounds like general issues, which in some ways is good, others is bad | 15:16 |
| BobBall | it seems very fatal | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | and 28k hits over 48 hours is a _serious_ issue | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | seems that logstash returns a result even if it didn't fail things | 15:18 |
| BobBall | and it's not failing for most people | 15:18 |
| BobBall | *shrug* no ideas | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | definitely v1 btw | 15:20 |
| BobBall | not v2 | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | jsonscheme have just changed something, I think people were taking in #openstack-nova | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it could be related, like tighter validation | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything else? | 15:21 |
| BobBall | nah | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so nothing from me here at the moment | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any other things? | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | nah | 15:22 |
| BobBall | not this week | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks, catch you next time | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 15:23:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-08-20-15.04.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-08-20-15.04.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-08-20-15.04.log.html | 15:23 |
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| jgriffith | hey... Cinder time? | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #start meeting cinder | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 16:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 16:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| winston-d | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| avishay | hello | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Nice! Lots of peoples | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | let's get started | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | err... | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
| jkremer | hi | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | jkremer: hola | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | #topic FPF | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | So just a reminder, and maybe a surprise to a few folks | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | tomorrow! is the Feature Proposal Freeze for Juno | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | if you look here: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | we've got a few issues :( | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I believe Vincent proposed a patch for his QoS work | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | so I'll update that one manually.... however it didn't look promising | 16:04 |
| bswartz | what issues? | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: not started ratio in targetted BP's | 16:05 |
| bswartz | :-o | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: typically if FPF is 24 hours out it'd be good if everything was "proposed" | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | at least typically that's the idea | 16:05 |
| bswartz | yeah but doesn't this happen every release? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: as I said in FTC I'd really like to change that | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and we did do better this milestone | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'd like to not settle for status quo if that's *ok* with you | 16:06 |
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| bswartz | heh okay | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: do you know anything about navneets pool patch? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | or bp | 16:07 |
| bswartz | what about it? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/windows-smbfs-volume-driver | 16:07 |
| bswartz | We're going with winston's right? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: correct | 16:07 |
| bswartz | wrong link I think | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: were navneet and winston-d going ot share that BP? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | oops | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/multiple-service-pools | 16:08 |
| bswartz | winston can use that BP if he doesn't already have one | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: ^^ ? | 16:08 |
| bswartz | I can't wait for it to merge | 16:08 |
| bswartz | winston's change that is | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | I'll fix it up later if winston-d isn't around | 16:09 |
| avishay | winston-d is using this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/pool-aware-cinder-scheduler | 16:09 |
| winston-d | i have one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/pool-aware-cinder-scheduler | 16:09 |
| winston-d | avishay: thx. :) | 16:09 |
| avishay | winston-d: :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | k... I'll mark the old one as obsolete | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: thanks.. that's the info I was looking for | 16:09 |
| bswartz | jgriffith, winston-d: let's swap out the BPs and put winston's in j-3 | 16:09 |
| winston-d | bswartz: +1 | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: I need to get yours updated as well | 16:10 |
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| ronenkat | jgriffith: the replication blueprint is not on the list- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/volume-replication | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: it is, but wrong bp again | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: same issue | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | ronenkat: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/pool-aware-cinder-scheduler | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | bahh | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | ronenkat: look at the milestone paget | 16:10 |
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| ronenkat | jgriffith: that is the replication blueprint | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: yeah | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | I'm having copy pasteissues this am :( | 16:11 |
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| avishay | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/volume-replication | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys, show the reference to the SMB BP | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | keep getting the wrong thing out of my clipboard | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thanks! | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that one! | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | s/show/saw/ | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | ronenkat: but look at the milestone page | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I don't see CG there either: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/consistency-groups | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | jgriffith: please let me know if I can help in any way | 16:12 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: i have an advanced degree in ctrl-c/ctrl-v | 16:12 |
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| jkremer | jgriffith: Should driver bp be in the list too? I don't see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/oracle-zfssa-cinder-driver | 16:12 |
| ronenkat | jgriffith: ok | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: check my updates and make sure they're good | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: driver bp for VMAX: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/emc-vmax-driver-juno-update | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | jkremer: yeah, I'll get yours in there | 16:13 |
| jkremer | jgriffith: Thanks! | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: on it | 16:14 |
| ronenkat | jgriffith: I would like to have the Storwize replication support patch there as well, pending merge of replication | 16:14 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: xtremeIO driver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/xtremio-cinder-volume-driver | 16:14 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: thanks! | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: there's no work items for that one? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | xtremio | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | ie nothing submitted | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: ? | 16:15 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104251/ | 16:15 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: we need to fix the bp link in commit msg | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: please do :) | 16:16 |
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| avishay | i started to review the extremio driver today | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok. thanks! thanks Avishay! | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thoughts so far? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | avishay: going to be able to land this week? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:16 |
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| rushiagr | o/ | 16:17 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: nothing too awful :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/valid-states-api | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: any chance of that making it? | 16:17 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: yes | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | harlowja_away: thingee ^^ | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | k... what's the plan? | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away the plan for that patch? | 16:19 |
| thingee | my plan wasn't originally to work with harlowja_away | 16:19 |
| thingee | it was just to stick the states in a common place. | 16:19 |
| thingee | not something as extensive as his | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ok... so what are we going to propose by tomorrow? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ok we can talk later | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | you must be busy | 16:20 |
| thingee | stick the states in a valid place, have both reset and list states pull from that | 16:20 |
| * thingee had someone coming up to his desk | 16:20 | |
| thingee | valid place = common place | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: silly people, don't they know you're in a meeting :) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: Ok, let's talk after meeting | 16:21 |
| thingee | certainly | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so the only one I really care about so to speak: | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/secure-nfs | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | anybody know Glenn? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | any idea of status here? | 16:22 |
| bswartz | glenng: ping | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: he's not in channel, already tried that :) | 16:22 |
| bswartz | okay so it's already submitted | 16:22 |
| bswartz | why is it failing pep8? >_< | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I'll look at it | 16:23 |
| bswartz | glenng sits down the aisle from him I'll go poke him | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | s/him/me/ | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: none of these are making it into LP because it appears bad commit messages | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, that's the list | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I don't anticipate adding anything after this meeting | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | so speak now, or wait for Kilo | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | although there's 3 items I wanted to add :( | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We should also try to get this in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112224/4/ | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | The Reference implementation for replication. | 16:25 |
| ronenkat | jgriffith: driver support for replication, how can we handle this? | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so that's my next point :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ronenkat we have two choices; | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/ | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Also, I was late, do I have my ssh fix in the list? | 16:25 |
| bswartz | that's the review for secure-nfs | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | Tag on to the BP for the base work (I'm not a fan) | 16:25 |
| bswartz | I don't see anything wrong w/ the commit msg | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Log as a bug | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | and add to drivers as bug fixes | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | not sure which is best here | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | thoughts ^^ | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | we've tried it both ways in the past | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | I hate adding on to the BP cuz they drag on forever when we do that | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | and there's no good tracking of what's what | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sounds like bug is the way to then? Though it is kind-of like marking a feature as a bug to get it in. ;-) | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's exactly what it is | 16:27 |
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| avishay | as long as it doesn't get exploited | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +2 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, this late in the game I don't see much option | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: jungleboyj but I would propose that people have 2 weeks after these features land | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | and that's it | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | then they wait for Kilo | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat: Any concerns? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | and BTW if they don't land this week, they're out til Kilo | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | this applies to pools, CG's and replication | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | because there's a line of changes that follow them | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: The CG patch doesn't have a series goal. maybe that is why it didn't show up in J-3 list. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/consistency-groups | 16:29 |
| bswartz | does land mean merge or submit? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | land == merge | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | submit doesn't do any good | 16:29 |
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| bswartz | c'mon guys merge winston's pool-aware-scheduler! | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: fixing | 16:29 |
| hemna | :( | 16:29 |
| hemna | arg | 16:29 |
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| winston-d | bswartz: +2 | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: thanks! | 16:29 |
| hemna | the other face | 16:30 |
| hemna | bswartz, we are working with winston-d on some issues w/ the pool scheduler | 16:30 |
| hemna | wrt retyping | 16:30 |
| bswartz | oh | 16:30 |
| hemna | I think it's close though | 16:30 |
| bswartz | cool | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | so fyi, drop dead date is this week | 16:30 |
| hemna | goosh | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | so if it's not merged or ready to merge Monday it's out until Kilo for most cases | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: sorry dude | 16:31 |
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| hemna | so it has to be merged by the 21st, not just submitted? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but the fact is that it does no good to merge a new API feature at the last hour and NOT allow any of the drivers to submit against it | 16:31 |
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| hemna | I guess you just covered that | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: no | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I said merged by Monday or ready to Merge | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | Monday morning | 16:32 |
| hemna | oh ok | 16:32 |
| hemna | Monday. sorry I was looking at the official schedule | 16:32 |
| bswartz | warm up those +2 buttons | 16:32 |
| kmartin | it so close maybe we should just open a bug for the retype issue, if it's even an issue? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | tomorrow is Proposal freeze | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: might want to consider that particularly if you're the only one impacted | 16:32 |
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| bswartz | if the feature works I say merge it so drivers can submit against it and file bugs so they can get fixed during j-4 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin, Sounds like an ok plan to me if you are ok with it. | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so is everyone clear on dates and deadlines here? | 16:34 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: markstr is working in out with winston-d as I type in the cinder channel :( | 16:34 |
| hemna | yuh | 16:34 |
| bswartz | yep | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | no surprises? No emails tonight at Midnight saying "oh crap, my bp wasn't targetted" | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Where is the list jgriffith ? | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry. Was late. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: dude... really? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so every milestone has a status page in LP | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: opens up with each milestone | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: should be a daily check :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sorry sir. | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: oh, now that's a bit uncalled for :) | 16:36 |
| glenng | *wonders if anyone knows how to make the whip crack sound on IRC* | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sir makes me feel sooo old, remember I got carded | 16:36 |
| thingee | certainly | 16:36 |
| thingee | whoops | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/configurable-ssh-host-key-policy | 16:36 |
| thingee | http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#cinder | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | alright... next topic... I'm going to change order a bit | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Dude ^^^ | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That was the one I was asking about. Can we still get that in? | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's alredy merged hasn't it? | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: No, that was what we were looking at at the meetup. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | I need to apply the comments yet. | 16:38 |
| markstur | jgriffith, was chatting on cinder. I have a bp but it was just a retype/pool fix that was split off. Probably could/should be bug? S | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well get on it man | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you have it WIP | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | ok, this has taken way longer than I had hoped | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | let's get to some other topics and we can discuss in openstack-cinder after meeting | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I just wanted to make sure everyone was clear on dates and priorities | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Didn't see it in the j3 list and wanted to make sure it wouldn't be rejected when I push up the code. | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: if you push it up by tomorrow it won't | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: if it's after tomorrow it will be rejected | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yikes. Ok. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's what Proposal Freeze means | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | maybe I should explain that better... | 16:40 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: what are the dates again? just kidding | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | does everybody get what Feature Proposal Freeze is about? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: LOL | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | it means you can't propose any new Feature Work without an exception after said cutoff | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | items that are in the gerrit queue count as making the cut | 16:41 |
| avishay | jgriffith: what was the next topic? :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | it's "new" patches/submissions | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thank you | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | let's let ronenkat have at it quickly | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | #topic replication patches | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | I think the jest here is, reviews | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | just raising awareness... right ronenkat ? | 16:42 |
| ronenkat | Take a look at the Cinder meeting text, I put up a reference implementation for replication | 16:42 |
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| ronenkat | for any driver owner to look at | 16:42 |
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| ronenkat | jgriffith: thats it | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | cool :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic mainters file | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | Everybody that owns a driver, fill out the etherpad | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | Ok, so I'm trying to collect up this info into a MAINTAINERS file in the cinder sources for now | 16:43 |
| bswartz | link? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Eventually I want it in the code | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-driver-maintainers | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: meeting agenda page | 16:44 |
| bswartz | ty | 16:44 |
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| * bswartz is lazy :-( | 16:44 | |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: haha | 16:44 |
| kmartin | DuncanT: did I not give you a link that had all the maintainers | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | While building this, I noticed it is hard to tell classes that are not really drivers... the kilo abstract base class planned work should shake that out better | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | kmartin: No, that was missing a bunch and a bunch were out-of-date | 16:45 |
| kmartin | ok | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: anything else? | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | I will fill in any I know, but if people here could fill in the etherpad then it save me digging through my email | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | Also CI usernames please | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | That's it | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: For maintainers are you looking for just an email contact? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: cool... thanks! | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | Name and email | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: don't go anywhere.. you get the next one too :) | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | irc nick if you want | 16:45 |
| ronenkat | Does it make sense to have the info in the openstack market place, the drivers part? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: that's come up before and currently my take is no | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat: that's a different "marketing" thing | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | ronenkat: If somebody wants to update that from the maintainers file, they're very welcome | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | :-) | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | just looking to reduce redundent info | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | ronenkat: good point | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | I intend the git tree to be the single source of truth from the who to shout at PoV | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I like that | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: a single source of truth list of drivers and maintainers would be welcome | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | #topic simple CI | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT | I want to imbed it in the code at some point, but I need to think on that more | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Ok, simple CI | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Code will be at https://github.com/Funcan/kiss-ci today some time | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | Hopefully within the hour | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks for this! | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | Probably won't quite work for anybody who isn't me initially but have a read, it is tiny | 16:48 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: will it be based on openstack-infra/config or semethin others from infra? | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Totally scratch written | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: pull requests welcomed? | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Much more lightweight, no jenkins, no nodepool etc | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Pull requests very welcome | 16:49 |
| e0ne | looks interesting | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: awesome | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | I'll stackforge it once it is a bit more useful | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | For now github pull requests are fine | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | Everybody keep in mind we have no authoritative requirement for how this is done | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | Offering up alternatives | 16:50 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: hm.. i'm voting on leave jenkis w/o zuul, nodepool, etc:) | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | I warn you now the code is terrible, I won't be upset by fixes of any type | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | let people sort through and see what works best for them | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | Ok, I'm done, I'll shout in the channel when it is up | 16:50 |
| hemna | I had problems getting thingee's packer stuff working | 16:50 |
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| hemna | I have yet to get a single packer to work | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | I'm using a hand built image at the moment... image creation is TBD | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I was able to get one to work with virtualbox. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: but almost all is looking to infra as a reference architecture, imp | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | hemna: VirtualBox or KVM? I think there were kvm issues. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | s/imp/imo | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Had to use the i686 image for some reason. | 16:51 |
| hemna | I'm using qemu | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: true statement | 16:51 |
| hemna | or trying to at least | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: and I think if you go that route that's awesome | 16:52 |
| e0ne | i'm trying... | 16:52 |
| * DuncanT hates jenkins enough to look into other routes | 16:52 | |
| jgriffith | e0ne: but I do think it's pretty heavy lift for some of us to just get this req fulfilled | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: and if there's a KISS approach that works well I'm all for it | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | anywho.... | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | Then realised that there's an army of people who will hopefully fix up his crappy code ;-) | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Are there expectations for 3rd Party CI reliability by the end of Juno? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: SocialCoding rocks! | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: there were expectations for reliability before they were turned on :) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'm rather dissappointed in the current status | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's not a knock on anyone | 16:53 |
| e0ne | jgriffith, DuncanT jenkins is good like a plugable-cron-launcher-and-publisher. all other staff - scripts with return code | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: just a statement of fact | 16:53 |
| * jungleboyj feels like I am asking all the good questions today. | 16:53 | |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: :( | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Honestly... we've been pretty laxed here | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | but IMO after J3 if your system isn't stable it shoudld be disabled until it is | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | relegated to sandbox or whatever | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | and it would be better for the maintainers to make that call than for myself or someone from infra | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Agreed, what does that mean for the driver in the community though? | 16:55 |
| * avishay is waiting for the two most interesting topics on the agenda (6 minutes left) :( | 16:55 | |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I don't know what you're asking | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: ok... let's cut over to it | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: and I can talk later | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sure. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ok with you? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | kk | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | #topic idea of a maintenance rlease | 16:56 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: may be it should run not all test(full tempest run) | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm assuming you wanted this one and not "summit" :) | 16:56 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: both | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: not an option | 16:56 |
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| e0ne | :( | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: and not the source of problems that I'm seeing currently | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | current issue is failure to launch the nodes in most cases | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | ok... | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | stable release | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | we've all talked about this at one point or another | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | the question is do we want to pursue it, and how should we decide what it *means* | 16:57 |
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| hemna | what do you think it means? | 16:57 |
| hemna | I'm unclear really | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Well there's gray area :) | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | so one proposal is "no new features" | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | period, full stop | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | the entire release is bug fixes and improvements to the code | 16:58 |
| hemna | I'm not against that at this point. | 16:58 |
| avishay | i personally feel that the foundation of cinder is rather weak (DB, no recovery, limited scalability, etc), and the new fancy features are of limited value do to that. take a break, fix up the base, and then continue. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | gray areas are things like adding features for HA etc (IMO) | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: I'm not necessarily disagreeing | 16:59 |
| hemna | yah I think that would be awesome IMHO | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | hemna: avishay the other end of the spectrum..... | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | No new drivers | 16:59 |
| winston-d | or maybe we can set up virtual team, task force, to focus on tackling those performance/scalability/HA issues. | 16:59 |
| avishay | winston-d: +1 | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: sure | 17:00 |
| hemna | we've been ratholing to a certain extent on adding new capabilities to cinder and not facing some issues, like HA, states, locks, etc. | 17:00 |
| avishay | winston-d: maybe these issues never get done because they're too much for one person | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 17:00 |
| bswartz | time check | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | vendor driven focus | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | avishay: +1 | 17:00 |
| avishay | jgriffith: +10 | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | yeah... we're out of time | 17:00 |
| avishay | very vendor-driven | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | can we continue in cinder channel? | 17:00 |
| avishay | i can for a little while | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | and maybe have another talk next week? | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | I certainly can | 17:00 |
| winston-d | sure | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ok.. let's go over there | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 17:01 |
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| winston-d | let's move to cinder channel | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 17:01:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-20-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-20-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-20-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vuil | hi anyone here? | 17:02 |
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| browne | hi | 17:02 |
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| rgerganov | hello | 17:03 |
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| vuil | tracy informed that she is ooto and without connectivity. | 17:03 |
| vuil | she forwarded some updates, but we will have to do the meeting without here | 17:03 |
| vuil | her | 17:03 |
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| rgerganov | #startmeeing vmwareapi | 17:04 |
| browne | ah, nice | 17:04 |
| browne | Rado knows the commands | 17:04 |
| browne | Rado can you take the lead | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | it doesn't work | 17:04 |
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| vuil | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 17:04:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vuil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:04 |
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| vuil | :-) | 17:04 |
| browne | :) | 17:05 |
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| vuil | *bringing up tracy's notes* | 17:05 |
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| vuil | We did minesweeper runs on the refactoring and oslo.vmware integration patches. | 17:06 |
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| vuil | They should all be done or close to, so the reviews should not be blocked on CI. | 17:07 |
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| vuil | We need to ping dansmith to take off the −2 put there for that reason | 17:08 |
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| vuil | That's about it from her. | 17:09 |
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| vuil | I wished I paid attention before on how to work the boards. | 17:10 |
| arnaud | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:10 |
| openstack | arnaud: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:10 |
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| arnaud | there is a meeting is progress | 17:10 |
| vuil | arnaud: that we at least did :-) | 17:10 |
| arnaud | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
| vuil | I am going to just post updates on existing BP patches in the works | 17:11 |
| vuil | no! | 17:11 |
| arnaud | oh you started the meeting? | 17:11 |
| vuil | arnaud we are already in the vmwreapi meeting | 17:11 |
| arnaud | oh sorry | 17:11 |
| arnaud | kk | 17:11 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:11 |
| vuil | do we need to restart? | 17:11 |
| arnaud | no | 17:11 |
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| vuil | endmeeting didn't take it out? | 17:12 |
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| rgerganov | vuil: you are the chairman and only you can end it up | 17:13 |
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| vuil | ah, good :-) | 17:13 |
| vuil | okay, back to what I was saying. | 17:13 |
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| vuil | I am seeing some reviews on the refactoring patches, which is great. | 17:14 |
| vuil | Hopefully we can see the whose set of patches through. | 17:14 |
| vuil | The last item in the phase 3 refactoring, I am going to post an update to address Matt's comments and further simplify it some | 17:15 |
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| vuil | oslo.vmware integration patch has been rebased and need to core reviews | 17:15 |
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| vuil | (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/) | 17:16 |
| rgerganov | I have rebased all SPBM patches on top of the oslo integration | 17:16 |
| rgerganov | they are also ready for review | 17:16 |
| vuil | cool! | 17:16 |
| vuil | the set of patches for the vsan bp requires oslo.vmware and the refactoring work... | 17:17 |
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| vuil | I am in the midst of updating a chain that will include both ahead of the feature freeze | 17:18 |
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| vuil | these patches have been posted a looong time ago and waiting for either one of oslo.vmware integration or the refactoring work to land, but alas | 17:19 |
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| vuil | does anyone have anything else they want to discuss? | 17:22 |
| vuil | if not this will be a short one. | 17:22 |
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| vuil | A reminder feature proposal freeze is midnight Aug 21 UTC | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | I posted an implementation for get_console_output() | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | it will be nice if we can get it in | 17:23 |
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| vuil | you have the link? | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115239/ | 17:24 |
| rgerganov | it is based on another one which already has +2 | 17:24 |
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| vuil | cool. looks like a fairly isolated change that does not affect the above-mentioned work. | 17:25 |
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| vuil | anyone else has anything to add? | 17:26 |
| vuil | one final thing from Tracy is that the irc meeting next week will be cancelled as quite a number of us including Tracy will not be available. | 17:27 |
| vuil | okay we will end the meeting early today. | 17:28 |
| vuil | thanks all | 17:28 |
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| tjones | hi | 17:29 |
| vuil | hi | 17:29 |
| tjones | sorry i was so late | 17:29 |
| vuil | I was 2 seconds from ending the meeting | 17:29 |
| tjones | anyone else here? | 17:29 |
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| vuil | it's cool. I relayed your notes to the meeting | 17:30 |
| tjones | thanks | 17:30 |
| vuil | rado, eric, arnaud and myself | 17:30 |
| tjones | ok so lets cancel next weeks meeting - any objections? | 17:30 |
| vuil | I relayed that too | 17:30 |
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| vuil | I didn't hear any objections, so cancelled it is. | 17:31 |
| tjones | im going to check the minesweeper run on oslo and refactor and if it is all done will send mention it to the core guys on irc | 17:31 |
| tjones | thats all i have | 17:31 |
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| vuil | cool, ending meeting now... | 17:31 |
| vuil | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 17:31:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-20-17.04.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-20-17.04.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-20-17.04.log.html | 17:31 |
| arnaud | vuil, works this time :) | 17:31 |
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| vuil | yeah :-) | 17:32 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:01 |
| notmyname | hello weveryone | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 19:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse | yo | 19:01 |
| cutforth | present and accounted for | 19:01 |
| cschwede_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | look! it's all my favorite people :-) | 19:02 |
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| dfg | notmyname: wrong channel | 19:02 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | today's agenda ^ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | and, honestly, I'm hungry and this meeting is keeping me from lunch :-) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: any updates for us? | 19:03 |
| tdasilva | we have 20 people already signed up | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: how many spots are open? | 19:03 |
| peluse | awesome | 19:03 |
| tdasilva | 15 | 19:03 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:03 |
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| tdasilva | we are now trying to plan a cool even to take everybody out one night | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | :) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | nice | 19:04 |
| notmyname | can you #link the url please? | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | #link https://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | is that right? | 19:04 |
| notmyname | yup. thanks | 19:04 |
| mjseger | tdasilva: can we at least get in 1 kimballs run? | 19:05 |
| tdasilva | haha...that's an idea | 19:05 |
| tdasilva | we are walking distance from there | 19:05 |
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| mjseger | I know, I used to be back at DEC | 19:05 |
| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon from anyone? | 19:06 |
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| mjseger | ;) | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | if people are looking for hotels to book, I've heard the hampton Inn is really nice | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | pretty new | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | just a bit farther away | 19:07 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:07 |
| clayg | notmyname: are you and sam already signed up? I think timing wise I could probably make it. | 19:07 |
| * notmyname adds getting flights/hotels to the todo list | 19:07 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: is a car needed? | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | yes! | 19:07 |
| mjseger | isn't the westford regency close? no idea about prices | 19:07 |
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| tdasilva | yeah...the westford regency is closer | 19:08 |
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| tdasilva | but it's an older building | 19:08 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: I have a hackathon slot, but no flights or hotels or anything yet | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ditto | 19:09 |
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| mjseger | I'm driving from CT | 19:09 |
| notmyname | if anyone has questions, feel free to bug tdasilva about it. ;-) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | let's move on | 19:09 |
| peluse | will there be a beer bus? | 19:09 |
| clayg | peluse's head is in the right place | 19:10 |
| peluse | :) | 19:10 |
| tdasilva | oh....you set the bar really high peluse | 19:10 |
| tdasilva | not sure we can match it | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 19:10 |
| peluse | I have no doubt it will be as productive as ever! | 19:10 |
| notmyname | #topic TC gap analysis follow-up | 19:10 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "TC gap analysis follow-up (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | thanks to everyone who did research and wrote up their findings since last week | 19:10 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_scratchpad | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | we've now got an overview of all of the oslo libraries, and you can read them there | 19:11 |
| notmyname | this week I'l write up what the change to versioning and releases would mean, so we have all our info in one place | 19:12 |
| notmyname | next week I'll be at the san antonio ops meetup, and I'll bring up this topic with the attendees | 19:12 |
| peluse | yeah, thanks guys. I'll go take a peek too | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | are there any questions about specific findings or additional comments? other things you might have found that you wanted to bring up? | 19:13 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: for oslo.i18n, it might make sense to use it earlier to simplify things for the translation team. i could propose a patch for this | 19:14 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: ok, thanks | 19:14 |
| portante | dfg: has rack space thought about the impact oslo stuff might have on production? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | I think that if there are particular libraries that offer obvious benefit (eg perhaps i18n) then we don't need to wait for permission to act on it. and then review as normal | 19:15 |
| notmyname | portante: rick's comments on logging were good (he's on the cloud files team) | 19:15 |
| * portante goes an looks | 19:15 | |
| dfg | portante: rick is checking it out- | 19:16 |
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| tdasilva | rick == hurricanerix?? | 19:16 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yes | 19:16 |
| portante | thanks that is hurricanerix | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | sorry, his nick didn't tab-complete so I didn't use it :-) | 19:17 |
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| mattoliverau | Thats when you just butcher it for the meeting logs to to archive :P | 19:18 |
| notmyname | next week I'll give a report from the ops summit and I hope we'll be able to have enough info to move forward in some direction. I expect the "Real" conversation to happen in paris | 19:18 |
| notmyname | thanks again to everyone who wrote stuff up there. it's very very helpful | 19:18 |
| notmyname | and speaking of paris... | 19:19 |
| notmyname | #topic upcoming releases | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upcoming releases (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:19 | |
| notmyname | what are we doing until then? | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | nice segway :) | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | here's my current plan for swift releases over the next few months | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | next monday (aug 25) cut an RC for 2.1.0 | 19:20 |
| notmyname | the current WIP changelog is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115167/ | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | then do the final 2.1.0 release on sept 1 (the monday following) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | which means that if there is stuff that needs to land in 2.1.0, get it landed this week (we'll get to specific patches in a moment) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | then, for the 2.next release (either 2.2 or 2.1.1) that is in the integrated juno release, RC cut on oct 6 and the final release close to the oct 16 juno date | 19:21 |
| notmyname | any questions or concerns with that plan? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | or does it sound good? | 19:22 |
| peluse | sounds good | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | sounds good to me | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | great | 19:23 |
| notmyname | I just added a section to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews for patches that need to land this week | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | ok, next topic | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #topic sad story | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | this just came up this morning | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | on the openstack-dev mailing list, someone said he proposed a patch to swiftclient on github and it was rejected. he was asking if the ML was the place to put it, and was told to look at the gerrit workflow | 19:24 |
| notmyname | his response was: | 19:25 |
| notmyname | Thank you for your answer. | 19:25 |
| notmyname | That workflow seems a huge job for me. | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I leave this patch up to you. | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I don't blame him for that, but it's sad to see the workflow actively discourage contributors. especially for the client | 19:25 |
| notmyname | the message is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043556.html | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043556.html | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | so....while we can't change the workflow (or certainly won't in this meeting), I'd love to see someone look at what he was doing and see if it makes sense. if so, respond on the ML and submit the patch to gerrit | 19:26 |
| notmyname | it seems to be about running swiftclient on windows. so that limits who knows how to do that | 19:27 |
| notmyname | any volunteers? | 19:27 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: i just have a running windows vm, will look into this | 19:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: "That workflow seems a huge job for me. I leave this patch up to you." | 19:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya. exactly :-) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: awesome! thanks! | 19:27 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | peluse: tsg: EC updates? | 19:28 |
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| peluse | ony my end, have been reviewing Ian's notes on the whole issues with partial PUT failures, reconsutrctor cleanup, etc., and preparing an alternate 2 pahse proposal for reivew | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:29 |
| tsg | notmyname: on my side, PyECLib/liberasurecode 1.0 is close to being done | 19:29 |
| peluse | also getting close with the base replicator framework that I think I will propose it to land with placeholder/sstubs for some of the other items that are already on the list (the call in from ssync, the cleanup of old files, etc) just so we have the daemon in place to build on | 19:29 |
| notmyname | tsg: good to hear | 19:29 |
| tsg | notmyname: expect 1.0 by hopefully by end of this month | 19:30 |
| peluse | tsg: and also you landed the EC policy base support which is huge! | 19:30 |
| tsg | yep, that's what I was about to mention - EC policy patch merged! | 19:30 |
| peluse | argh, reconstructor I mean. still sick | 19:30 |
| peluse | brain not working at full capacity | 19:30 |
| tsg | notmyname: 4 more patches under review (quorum_size, PUT trailers/footers, PUT, GET) | 19:30 |
| peluse | torgomatic: what are thoghts on the 100 continue headers that you and tsg have been looking at for trailer support? | 19:30 |
| notmyname | s/trailer/footer/ ;-) | 19:31 |
| torgomatic | peluse: I think it'll work, but it'll need contributions upstream in multiple places... at a minimum, mod_wsgi and eventlet | 19:31 |
| peluse | torgomatic: how feasible do you think that is and when you you think its time to pull the trigger on those? | 19:32 |
| tsg | I am working on adding adding support for custom headers to the 100-continue responses in eventlet wsgi module | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | we can start with a hacky, encapsulation-destroying way that works with just eventlet though, and then retrofit the good stuff on once it becomes available | 19:32 |
| notmyname | the guy I was talking to who said he knew mod_wsgi basically said we shouldn't use HTTP. next up would be to talk about it on the mod_wsgi mailing list | 19:32 |
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| torgomatic | if mod_wsgi doesn't want this stuff in it, then I guess you can't have storage nodes using mod_wsgi and use EC | 19:32 |
| peluse | ugh | 19:33 |
| torgomatic | we're getting outside of what WSGI mandates and into the rest of HTTP, so it may be tricky | 19:33 |
| notmyname | no, I don't think it's at that point | 19:33 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: are you working on the hacky way this week? | 19:34 |
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| peluse | torgomatic: would be good to see even a rough description of the hacky wacky thing, maybe in a discussion card on trello if you can | 19:34 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: probably, once I get this ring stuff banged into shape | 19:35 |
| notmyname | (for the rest of those who aren't up to speed ont he problem, the issue is figuring out how to handle object overwrites with an EC policy. you can't partially succeed and destroy the existing data. full discussion and plan is on trello) | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: got it. thanks | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | peluse: I'll throw a gist together, or maybe submit to Gerrit... it's easier to see in python than english | 19:35 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:35 |
| notmyname | for anyone not yet participating in the EC work, the trello board is up to date with what needs to be done. | 19:35 |
| peluse | notmyname: yeah, that's one part of it. the other though is genereic footer support and the obj length issue dealing with rolling upgrades | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | also how to get the original object's MD5/Etag stored on EC fragment archives when the client does not send it, given that the proxy is the only one who knows it, but it learns it after the headers have gone out | 19:36 |
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| torgomatic | ^^ the bigger issue IMO | 19:36 |
| peluse | I believe that's ^ what's really driving tsg/torgomatic right now (correct me if I'm wrong) | 19:36 |
| peluse | yes | 19:36 |
| peluse | :) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | ya, all of that :-) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | so it's a Big Deal for EC | 19:36 |
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| torgomatic | tl;dr: HTTP 1.1 lets us do all this stuff, but WSGI semantics are a subset of HTTP semantics, so life is hard | 19:36 |
| peluse | torgomatic/tsg/notmyname: I think it may make sense to have a sync up phone call end of this week on this | 19:37 |
| notmyname | I'd certainly encourage everyone to take a look at the outstanding work for EC. there's not a ton that's individually huge pieces of work | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | so jump in! | 19:38 |
| torgomatic | peluse: sure, send emails and we'll figure it out | 19:38 |
| peluse | https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:38 |
| notmyname | any other questions or updates on the EC work to discuss? | 19:38 |
| peluse | link for trello as a reminder ^ | 19:38 |
| notmyname | (again) | 19:38 |
| tsg | torgomatic: ack. The alternative to 100-continue could be to shove a "X-Trailer-Version" hint in object HEAD responses - can I get your critique on that? | 19:38 |
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| torgomatic | tsg: PUT doesn't always do a HEAD first, so that won't work | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | er, the proxy code for handling an object PUT doesn't typically perform a HEAD request to the object servers, to be more specific | 19:39 |
| tsg | torgomatic: true .. wanted to see if we can make it a default in the EC case | 19:39 |
| peluse | torgomatic: stupid question, can't we make it do that for the EC case | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | eh, maybe, but if we can get it in one request, that'd be lots nicer | 19:40 |
| tsg | I take that back .. this is "generic footer support" :) | 19:40 |
| tsg | "generic" being the keyword | 19:40 |
| peluse | ugh | 19:40 |
| peluse | maybe for a first pass we reconsider generic footers and just go with EC specific, something to keep in the back of our minds | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | peluse: I'd like to see the ideas fleshed out for generic support. better to get it right up front if that's possible | 19:41 |
| peluse | yup, agree... thus the 'back of our minds' comment :) | 19:41 |
| tsg | torgomatic: I assume we can't make HEAD the default given the overhead? | 19:41 |
| notmyname | IOW, keep torgomatic and tsg talking about it :-) | 19:41 |
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| torgomatic | tsg: yeah, the overhead is a problem, plus there's the race condition... since we don't keep TCP connections open for multiple HTTP requests, the obj server could change out between HEAD and PUT | 19:42 |
| clayg | HEAD's can be tricky what with the serial digging into handoffs | 19:42 |
| tsg | we have been talking about it here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111642/ | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | it's small, but it goes away if we do it all in one request | 19:42 |
| clayg | yeah eafp | 19:42 |
| tsg | torgomatic, clayg: makes sense | 19:43 |
| peluse | tsg, I think you meant here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111562/ | 19:44 |
| tsg | peluse: thanks - clipboard buffer mismatch :D | 19:44 |
| tsg | torgomatic: I will come up with a suggestion for change to eventlet wsgi module in the way we discussed on gerritt and see how that goes | 19:44 |
| notmyname | tsg: torgomatic: thanks for working on it | 19:45 |
| notmyname | let's move on to patches | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic patches | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | doh | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:45 |
| notmyname | note the new 2.1.0 section for stuff that needs to land this week | 19:45 |
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| peluse | the blank section? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I haven't seen anything that would be strictly required to land this week, but I'd like to see a few things | 19:46 |
| notmyname | peluse: ya :-) | 19:46 |
| peluse | OK, just making sure :) | 19:46 |
| notmyname | peluse: well, I only added it about 10 minutes ago | 19:46 |
| * notmyname is trying to remember what looked like good stuff to land this week | 19:47 | |
| notmyname | ph yeah | 19:47 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114120/ | 19:47 |
| cschwede_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91788/ is merged :) removing that (keystone v3 in swiftclient) | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: thanks | 19:48 |
| alexpilotti | notmyname: I can help w the swiftclient patch | 19:48 |
| notmyname | alexpilotti: which one? | 19:48 |
| alexpilotti | notmyname: fixing OpenStack on WIndows is what we do all the time at CLoudbase :-) | 19:48 |
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| alexpilotti | notmyname: you have more than one? :-) | 19:49 |
| notmyname | alexpilotti: ah, awesome. cschwede_ said he'd look in to it too. you two should talk :-) | 19:49 |
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| alexpilotti | notmyname: I just saw it here: https://github.com/openstack/python-swiftclient/pull/14/files | 19:49 |
| notmyname | alexpilotti: ya, we had discussed it a few minutes ago | 19:49 |
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| alexpilotti | notmyname cschwede_: the patch looks good, I can test it out and send it in as ec | 19:49 |
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| cschwede_ | alexpilotti: ok, nice, i will review it then. thanks! | 19:50 |
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| alexpilotti | notmyname: I cannot commit it in the name of the guy who sent the email, should I thank him in the commit message? | 19:50 |
| notmyname | ok, the other things I'm looking forward too are the performance improvement patches (like torgomatic's splice() ones) | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | alexpilotti: ya, that's fine, I think | 19:51 |
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| * torgomatic likes performance improvements | 19:51 | |
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| * peluse will put review of the splice() deal on his list of things to do... | 19:51 | |
| notmyname | ...and there are several smaller ones that I think can be knocked out pretty quickly (eg several from mattoliverau) | 19:52 |
| notmyname | anyway, review! review! review! ;-) | 19:52 |
| notmyname | mjseger: you wanted to bring up a performance issue you've been working on | 19:52 |
| mjseger | sure | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | mjseger: somethign with the container replicator? | 19:52 |
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| mjseger | yes, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1332025 | 19:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332025 in swift "Useless journal file generation in db-replicator may suffer disk I/O performance in ext4 file system" [Undecided,New] | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: alexpilotti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1359360 | 19:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359360 in python-swiftclient "generate Windows exe" [Undecided,New] | 19:53 |
| mattoliverau | alexpilotti: you should add a 'Co-Authored-By:' to the patch. | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | mjseger: is that only on ext4 or does it affect xfs too? | 19:53 |
| mjseger | but the simple statement is I've found a few places with sql updates are unnecessarily being done | 19:53 |
| notmyname | mjseger: the fastest thing to do is to do nothing at all | 19:54 |
| mjseger | I think it's mostly an ext4 thing but it's still extra i/o | 19:54 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:54 |
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| mjseger | the fix is to see if an update is really needed and if not, don't make the sql call | 19:54 |
| mjseger | I have 2 very small patches I can submit shortly | 19:54 |
| mjseger | bottom line is on an ext4 system that's idle, there's a constant 1.5 MB/sec I/O, mostly the ext4 journalling daemon! | 19:55 |
| notmyname | mjseger: cool. | 19:55 |
| mjseger | the writes slow down the reads | 19:55 |
| notmyname | mjseger: sounds like a great improvement | 19:55 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on it | 19:55 |
| mjseger | w/o the patch GETs go about 15MB/sec and with it they go about 70!!!!!!!!! | 19:55 |
| mjseger | yowzer!!! | 19:56 |
| mjseger | I'm done unless anyone has any questions. | 19:56 |
| notmyname | mjseger: cool. are there specific questions before you submit the patch? | 19:56 |
| alexpilotti | mattoliverau: ok! | 19:56 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 19:56 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 19:56 |
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| mjseger | my only question is are the patched in the best places and that can be dealt with as part of the code review process, right? | 19:57 |
| notmyname | or we can be done (and I can eat lunch!) | 19:57 |
| notmyname | mjseger: yes. definitely the code review is the best place | 19:57 |
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| mattoliverau | if people are happy with the abandon reviews section in the dash can people review it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109159/ | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | mjseger: what's the status of your script? | 19:59 |
| notmyname | err | 19:59 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ^^ | 19:59 |
| mjseger | you mean my patches? | 19:59 |
| mjseger | going to submit shortly | 19:59 |
| peluse | mattgriffin: will do | 19:59 |
| notmyname | mjseger: no, sorry. mattoliverau's script for abandoned patches | 19:59 |
| mjseger | ;) | 19:59 |
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| notmyname | heh. everyone is having problems with talking to mattoliverau | 19:59 |
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| peluse | argh | 20:00 |
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| mattoliverau | its seems to be working nicely, I get emails for expiring patches, and there is a list of ones the script thinks it show be abandoned | 20:00 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: cool | 20:00 |
| mattoliverau | *should | 20:00 |
| notmyname | and we're at time... | 20:00 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming! | 20:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 20:00:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-20-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-20-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-20-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: thank you | 20:01 |
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