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DaisyLet's start08:00
FdotHello Daisy :)08:00
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting08:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  4 08:00:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"08:00
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DaisyGood afternoon, Fdot, DeeJay108:01
DeeJay1Morning :)08:01
FdotMorning :)08:01
epicogood afternoon, Daisy.08:01
DaisyHi, good afternoon, epico08:01
ygboHi all,08:01
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DaisyHi, ygbo08:01
DaisyNice to see you all.08:01
DaisyWe will talk about Horizon translation today.08:02
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DaisyLet's see if jpich or amotoki would join us.08:02
jpichI'm here, although I have an overlapping meeting in 30min08:02
DaisyBefore they come, we could talk about our translation tools.08:02
Daisyjpich, it's ok.08:02
DaisyYou could jump in while we are talking about Horizon translation.08:03
amotokii am here, but am in the other f2f meeting.08:03
Daisy#topic translation tools update08:03
jpichI'll try!08:03
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DaisyHi, amotoki. If we need you, I will type your name. :)08:03
Daisywe have pootle at and zanata at
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DaisyYou could register and have a try now.08:04
DaisyI planned to move OpenStack glossary to these two website before the meeting, yet I failed.08:05
DaisyThings are difficult than I thought.08:05
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DaisySo I will continue to move OpenStack glossary to these two website as translation projects.08:05
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DaisyAs to pootle, you need to register. But as to Zanata, you could use your OpenID in Launchpad to log in directly.08:06
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DaisyI had a talk with Doc team last week about OpenStack glossary.08:07
DaisySo OpenStack glossary could be published as a single document. Now it is published in a hidden way:
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DaisyIf we translate glossary, we could have non-English glossary published in each language website.08:08
DaisyAlthough the terms would be sorted in English alphabetical order.08:09
DaisySo glossary is a separate one, it's not big, it's stable.08:09
DaisyI'm going to use glossary as a test project in our two translation test server: pootle and Zanata.08:10
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DaisyI will separate glossary into two parts, and upload one part to each test server.08:10
DaisyWe could try to translate glossary and try to see how well these two tools support our translation work.08:11
DaisyWe could feel which tool is better during translation.08:12
FdotDaisy, I have 2 questions about this :)08:12
DaisyYes, Fdot ?08:12
Fdot1- Can we send the url to our translators communities ?08:13
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DaisySure, we could.08:13
FdotOk this what we are going to do in France :)08:13
Daisythe second question?08:13
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FdotI am going to send a message to all our community for asking to some translators want to test the 2 tools and to make a feedback :)08:14
Fdot2- Do you plan to install a poll tool for voting for the tools ?08:14
DaisyGreat ! I would suggest you send such message after I upload the glossary files.08:14
FdotOr how is the decision is going to be taken ?08:14
DaisyI'm that clear to answer this question.08:15
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DaisyI discussed with pleia2 from infra team who helped us to set up these demo servers.08:15
DaisyI don't think I get the clear answer.08:16
Daisyinfra team will help us to do anything we want to test these two tools.08:16
DaisyWe could collect data during our testing.08:16
DaisyWe could have our own preference if we make a vote.08:16
DaisyWe could send our testing data, our vote result to openstack community08:17
DaisyBut I'm not clear who will make the final decision.08:18
DeeJay1it would be great if we could create a wiki page, where everyone involved would just leave their opinions via a +/- list08:18
DaisyGood suggestion, DeeJay1.08:18
FdotDeeJay1: +108:18
DaisyLet me create an action.08:19
Daisy#action Daisy to create a wiki page, to get two websites ready for translators to test.08:19
ygboDeeJay1's idea is good, can be a wiki or etherpad08:20
DaisyEtherpad is a good choice too.08:20
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DaisyOK I have done my update on translation tools.08:21
DaisyAny other suggestions ?08:21
* DeeJay1 wonders how can we make translators interact more on the general mailing list08:21
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Daisya good question08:22
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DeeJay1silence ensued ;)08:23
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Daisyhard to answer. :)08:23
mariantbyes, it is quite tricky. I have been using the Spanish mailing list. Yesterday I sent a quick message to encourage translators to work in the Juno project and then saw quite a difference in Transifex08:24
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Daisywhat is the difference ?08:24
mariantbnothing apparently, just insisting I guess08:25
FdotIn France we are using the Transifex messaging tool08:26
DeeJay1hmm, maybe we could prepare a survey about communication methods and send it to all the registered translation teams on transifex?08:26
DaisyHi, I'm lost.08:27
DaisyAre we talking about the communication among all translators, or  among each translation team?08:27
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DeeJay1all translators, from reviewing the archives it's mostly the people who attend here who are writing on the openstack-i18n list08:28
Daisymariantb: are you talking about the same ?08:29
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DaisyDeeJay1: it's true and it's correct. People who are active here, are active in I18n ML.08:29
DaisyIf we want to encourage more translators to join general ML, I think, let's use the translation tool discussion as a start .08:30
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mariantball translators08:31
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DaisyFdot will distribute what we are doing now to the French transaltors ML. We could do the same and invite translators to come and talk.08:32
mariantbyes, that coule be a start08:32
mariantbI will do the same with Spanish08:32
Daisymariantb: how many active translators now in Spanish team ?08:32
mariantbI am trying to send updates to the ES mailing list08:32
DaisyA update is a good idea too.08:32
FdotDaisy : I wanted to send a message to the french community trough transifex08:33
DaisyDeeJay1: how many active translators do you have ?08:34
mariantbThere are 37 translators officially registered in Transifex for ES, but I'd say that around 15-20 are actually translating08:34
Fdotand to ask then asking them to post their comment there08:34
DeeJay1Daisy: really hard to tell, probably just me and on or two others08:34
Daisy15-20 is a big number.08:34
FdotI will write a resume of the full discussion08:34
mariantbyes, well 15-20 in a big span of time though08:35
FdotIt will be easier to get feedbacks from translators in their own language08:35
mariantbif I think the last week, less than 1008:35
DaisyIn Chinese, less than 10 active transaltors.08:35
DaisyIf I call for help, I have the confidence that I will get enough help.08:36
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DaisyI mean, in general, less than 10. But if I need, I would get more active people.08:36
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DaisyAnyway, I will think about how to make our translators more active, and we could think about it together.08:37
mariantbFdot is right, when using own language, there is more activity08:37
DaisyLet's move to Horizon translation, the most important part.08:38
Daisy#topic Kick off Juno Horizon translation08:38
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DaisySome updates from me.08:38
Daisy1. All Horizon message catalogs from Juno (master) branch are synced to Transifex regularly.08:39
DaisyI checked Transifex. The last update was yesterday.08:39
FdotDaisy it was an important update08:39
Fdot90 strings08:40
Fdotwith a lot of things08:40
Fdotis it going to move again in the next weeks ?08:40
DaisyI don't know if string freeze happened or not.08:40
Fdotthat was my next question ;)08:41
DaisyIn the schedule, string freeze is Sep 4th. That means, today.08:41
ygboI have a silly question: when we have patches such as which change translation methods in the code, would it be possible to have dedicate "test" catalogue on the translation tool to have translators feedback on the patch to know if it improves there translations quality or not? What do you think?08:41
Daisyygbo, let's talk about your question later.08:41
Daisycall for jpich's help.08:42
jpich(sorry, in another call now)08:42
jpich(back in a few)08:42
DaisySo continue my update.08:42
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DaisyData processing (Sahara) Dashboard is a big newcomer in Juno. It is not small and it may take time to translate. It sometimes needs a domain expert of Hadoop to find appropriate terms.08:43
DaisyI see in Transifex, there are more than 600 new strings in Juno.08:43
DaisyIt's not a small work.08:44
DaisySo try to get more people to help on the translation.08:44
Daisy2. Previously, we had a translation check site owned by amotoki.08:45
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DaisyIn this version, amotoki might not provide us such check site, because his machine is not that powerful to run   all OpenStack components including Trove, Sahara or Ceilometer.08:46
DeeJay1Daisy: hmm, I have a machine which I could give him access to08:46
DaisyI think, we need a translation check website to test our translation.08:47
DaisyHe also doesn't have enough spare time too.08:47
jpichI think it would be worthwhile having the infra folks manage such a system08:47
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DaisyI don't know if we have enough time to set the system up.08:48
DaisyWe have only 1 month.08:48
Daisyjpich: we want to know the status of string freeze.08:49
DeeJay1amotoki: could you give me some hints how did you set it up? was it a usual devstack instance?08:49
jpichFeature freeze is meant to happen later today, though the gate is backlogged at the moment so it might be tomorrow morning08:49
jpichThere's a couple of feature freeze exceptions for feature already accepted for Horizon, that will bring additional strings so I don't think it is very big08:50
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Daisya couple of feature freeze exception?08:50
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DaisyIf the strings is not big, it's acceptable.08:50
jpichDaisy: Yes, for new features - so they will have a few new strings08:50
DaisyWill the existing string in Horizon being updated after string freeze ?08:51
jpichDaisy: I believe the exceptions are mostly new strings but I haven't been able to check closely yet08:52
Daisyjpich: who will own the merge of translations in this release ?08:52
Daisywho will manage the merge of translation, I mean.08:52
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jpichDaisy: I believe it's automated now?08:52
Daisyis it you or amotoki ?08:52
jpichWhen the RC branch are created later we might need manual updates08:53
jpichwe can talk about it then08:53
jpichFor now master branch translations are updated automatically08:53
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DaisyGot it.08:53
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Daisyany other questions about horizon translation for jpich ?08:54
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DaisyWhen is the last day for translation commit, jpich?08:55
Daisyin Juno release cycle.08:55
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jpichFor the first Release Candicate would be good I think. From it looks like Sept 25th08:55
jpichbut I'm sure we can have exceptions for translations08:56
jpichOctober 9th may be works better so there is a month to translate all the new strings08:56
DaisyGreat. I think 1 month is a good time period.08:56
DaisySo we have a tough task for translation team now.08:57
DaisyWe need to start the translation as soon as possible.08:57
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DaisyI will send to ML to call for participation.08:57
Daisy#action Daisy to send email calling for the participation of Juno translation.08:58
DaisyThanks, jpich.08:58
Daisy#open discussion08:58
Daisy#topic open discussion08:58
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jpichDaisy: Will you contact the infra folks about setting up a test website for translations?08:59
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DaisyI will, jpich08:59
DaisyI will look for any help I can get.08:59
jpichCool :)08:59
DaisyDeeJay1 has a machine. amotoki has experience to set up.09:00
Daisyinfra folks is another choice, but I don't know if time is enough.09:00
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DaisyI'm looking at ygbo's patch link now:
amotokiDeeJay1: let me share infromation later.09:01
Daisyygbo: it's a big patch.09:02
Daisyygbo: what help do you need from I18n team?09:02
Daisyygbo: could we talk among I18n ML? Time is over. I have to close the meeting09:03
ygboDaisy: Well, I changed the way some strings are translated, so I would like feedback to know if the strings are easyer to translate09:03
DaisyOk. I see.09:03
amotokiDeeJay1: it is just a normal devstack setup + custom bash script to fetch translation from transifex.09:03
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DaisyYou want to create a test project.09:03
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ygbobefore, a translator had to translate (subject)s (verb)s and the subject and verb where in diferent strings09:04
DaisyI could help to create a test project in Transifex, but I don't know how to test if the translation quality could be improved or not.09:04
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DeeJay1amotoki: oh, ok, so I think I'll manage09:04
ygbothe issue was that the conjugation was not working in all languages.09:04
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DaisyYes, I agree.09:04
ygboso this patch proposes to have the full string instead.09:05
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Daisyygbo: let's discuss in I18n ML about your patch.09:05
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DaisyCould you start a mail thread in ML about your work?09:05
DaisyI could work together with you to see how could we test the new patch.09:06
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DaisyThank you all for attending.09:06
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DaisyI will close the meeting now.09:06
DeeJay1thanks all09:07
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FdotThanks a lot Daisy :)09:07
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Fdothave good day / night !09:08
DaisyThank you Fdot !09:08
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rm_mobileo/ morning14:01
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jamiemgood morning14:01
jorgem#start-meeting neutron-lbaas14:02
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jorgemoh god14:02
sbalukoffNo hyphen14:02
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jorgemI forgot how to start the meeting lol14:02
jorgem#startmeeting neutron-lbaas14:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  4 14:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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jorgemthere we go14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas'14:02
dougwigno hypen x214:02
jorgem#chair dougwig14:02
openstackCurrent chairs: dougwig jorgem14:02
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sballeWhat's the agenda? the agenda on the LBaaS wiki aren't updated14:03
jorgemits been a while since I've been on time!14:03
jorgemI don't think much14:03
dougwigi think our only listed topic is blogan's driver status thing.14:03
jorgemI'm guessing incubator status14:03
sbalukoffAnd, if Kyle or Mark are here, an update on incubator14:03
rm_mobileSo this might be a quick one?14:03
jorgemrm_mobile: most likely14:04
sbalukoffIf only it were later in the day. XD14:04
sballeblogan, can you resent the link to your driver?14:04
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sballerm_mobile, it never is ;-)14:04
bloganhello all14:04
dougwig#topic entity status and drivers14:04
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dougwigblogan: take it away.14:04
jorgemblogan just got here14:04
blogansorry just got here, talking about my email?14:05
bloganoh okay14:05
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bloganso I just wanted to guage interest in whether people think that drivers being responsible for setting the status of the entities is an issue14:06
bloganto me it is, because it leads to inconsistencies and really isn't something a driver should have to worry about14:06
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sbalukoffYou said you had an idea on how to deal with asynchronous drivers14:06
sbalukoffDid you want to share that?14:06
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bloganwell it was an idea, but i haven't done much with it14:07
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bloganbut basically it would  make the neutron lbaas API always asynchronous, and there would be an async driver interface, and a sync driver interface14:07
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sbalukoffHow would the asynchronous driver interface work differently than the one now?14:08
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bloganI haven't worked it out totally because I'm not sure if anyone thinks it is worth investigating14:08
sbalukoff(That seems like the crux of the problem, to me.)14:08
xgermanI am also wondering what happened to our plan of using exceptions?14:08
sbalukoffxgerman: +114:08
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sballexgerman, +114:08
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blogansbalukoff: actually it wouldn't be an interface it would be an abstract class that would handle the polling of the async driver methods to get the status14:08
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bloganxgerman: what happened was having async drivers and sync driversr14:08
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bloganxgerman: since we have async drivers they can't throw exceptions14:09
bloganxgerman: well they can it would just be uncaught14:09
xgermanif we are planning to poll the async driver will appear synchronous anyway14:09
jorgemisn't that what the ERROR status is for?14:09
xgermanunless you think we want to do event=ing14:09
sbalukoffblogan: I suspect the people who should weigh in on that would be the authors of the asynchronous driver interfaces-- whether they would prefer things to work that way, or as they do now.14:10
dougwigxgerman: even with sync, there's a wrinkle in that plane w.r.t. fatal vs non-fatal exceptions.  since you can get an LB object that triggers creating a bunch of child objects, you could end up in a halfway state.14:10
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blogansbalukoff: yes and their input is what I was hoping to get today too14:10
sbalukoffI don't suppose any of them are present?14:10
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xgermandougwig, throwing exceptions doesn't a driver preclude from cleaning up14:11
sbalukoff(I'm only seeing Octavia crew here that are active.)14:11
dougwigin really really short, if we want to support auto-magic, even with synchronous, we need three exit results from driver interfaces, not just "had an exception" or "did not have an exception".14:11
xgermanwell, we could have different exceptions14:11
blogandougwig: we can have custom exceptions that will tell the plugin what to do, even complex exceptions14:11
bloganthat would require more investigation though14:11
sballeblogan, +114:11
xgermanI think a good error/exception model would be worth it14:11
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dougwigwell, with our current models, you'd actually need to be able to communicate multiple errors at once, possibly.14:12
bloganare the radware guys here today?14:12
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xgermandougwig, you can chain exceptions14:12
blogandougwig: custom exception can have many fields to communicate that14:12
sbalukoffI don't see Samuel. Avishay?14:12
sballeBased on my past experience not putting enough time in getting a good error/exception model is an issue. it always comes back and bit14:12
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evgenyfblogan:I'm here14:12
sbalukoffOh yay!14:13
bloganevgenyf: do you have an opinion on this?14:13
dougwigyep.  i'm just saying that it's not as simple an interface as it sounds, which i suspect is why the statuses are in there.14:13
evgenyfAre we talking LBaaS v1 or v2?14:13
bloganI think the reason the statuses are there is because of async drivers not going through an agetn14:13
bloganevgenyf: v214:13
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bloganevgenyf: nothign should be added to v114:14
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evgenyfI think it should remain as it is now, in v2 we have all these active/fail/defer functions in mixins14:14
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bloganevgenyf: true but the alternative is not having those at all14:14
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evgenyfblogan, can you elaborate on your idea with async plugin API please?14:15
evgenyfsbalukoff: Sam and Avishay are not here14:16
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bloganevgenyf: basically the driver does not set the status of entities at all, it will just throw exceptions14:16
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bloganevgenyf: then the plugin sets those based on the exception thrown14:17
bloganah net split!14:17
jorgemwoah mass exodus14:17
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bloganevgenyf: how this is done to support both async and sync drivers I have an idea about but need more time to hash it out14:18
dougwigwe can prototype it, but given the multi-error issue, we're just going to replace one set of glue with another set that has to wrangle and chain the exceptions or setup the error fields before re-raising.  the bar here should be whether it results in simpler driver code.14:18
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evgenyfblogan: Radware's driver has separate thread dealing with operations success/fail14:18
blogandougwig: doesn't it make sense to have a separation of concerns though?  the driver only has to tell the plugin what entities are affected and then the plugin decides for all drivers what to do?14:19
bloganthat seems simpler to me14:19
bloganevgenyf: correct and a solution to this problem would handle that14:19
sbalukoffblogan: Are you talking about entities shared between drivers?14:20
sbalukoffDoes v2 in its current form allow that?14:20
blogansbalukoff: no not at all14:20
dougwigif the separation results in one line per method becoming 3, then we're just re-arranging deck chairs.14:20
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bloganwe'd be putting deck chairs in the proper location14:21
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dougwigor even 1.  if it's truly a useless thing for drivers to be doing, we should be able to get rid of it and reduce driver code.  if that doesn't happen,w e're not really insulating anything.14:21
TrevorVlike on a deck14:21
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xgermandougwig +114:21
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dougwigi'm not sure that drivers updating status is "improper".14:22
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bloganmaybe its a philosophical difference14:22
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bloganwhich is why i wanted people to give their opinions14:22
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xgermanit's not a good separation of concerns14:22
bloganwith a bit of a debate14:22
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bloganxgerman: i'm confused are you for or against it?14:22
xgermanI am for exceptions14:22
sbalukoffblogan: Is the concern that the current system leads to more inflexible spaghetti code?14:23
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blogansbalukoff: i wouldn't say its spaghetti code, the driver interface dougwig creates does improve teh status management in the driver14:23
bloganover v114:23
xgermanwell, if everybody updates statuses then it's hard to make changes/updates without everybody changing code14:23
sballexgerman, +114:24
sbalukoffxgerman: That was what I was getting at.14:24
bloganthe main problems I have with it are that it will lead to inconsistent statuses across drivers, and to me it doesn't seem like the drivers' responsibility14:24
xgermangood so we are at teh same page :-)14:24
bloganand what xgerman said14:24
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dougwigxgerman: err, it's even harder if you pull them out, because now the driver can't make the decision of how to do transactions/locking, and you can have drivers running in parallel.  you can't wrap those operations at the plugin level.14:25
dougwig(the complex ones, not the status ones)14:25
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bloganto me it seems odd the driver has to worry about transactions/locking when it should be the db layer that does14:25
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dougwigit's part and parcel of having two sources of truth.14:26
bloganunless you're talking about not the lbaas db14:26
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blogantwo soruces of truth being the lbaas db and the driver's own db?14:27
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bloganor whatever the vendor's storage mechanism is14:27
dougwigcorrect.  we don't have things setup for atomic replacements of entire trees.14:27
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dougwigwhich means, hello hard cs problem #2.14:28
blogannaming things?14:28
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dougwigi knew you would reply with that.  :)14:28
blogancan you give a specific example dougwig? im not totally following?14:29
bloganthat last sentence should just be a statement14:29
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dougwigcan we talk later in channel?  it's way early, and this is going to take awhile.14:30
bloganlols ure14:30
bloganits not mean to be solved today at all14:30
sballedougwig, please pin me if I am available. Would love to be part of that chat14:31
dougwigsballe: ok14:31
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bloganokay so that will be sidelined until later today14:31
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sbalukoffSounds good.14:31
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blogananyone have anything else?14:32
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sballeIs mestery on the IRC?14:32
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sbalukoffAre markmcclain or mestery here?14:32
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mesterysballe sbalukoff: o/14:32
evgenyfDougwig: could you please summarize your conversation results in ML after, please14:32
dougwig#topic incubator update14:32
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dougwigevgenyf: yes14:32
bloganmestery: the obligatory ask for an update on the incubator14:32
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mesteryblogan: Absolutely sir!14:32
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dougwigi can take this one.14:32
dougwigit should be done this week.14:32
dougwigright?  :)14:32
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mesterySo, the update is that now that we're past Juno FF, we will get infra to set the repository up by tomorrow.14:33
mesteryWe were holding off given their focus on holding hte gate togehter this week14:33
mesterymarkmcclain has worked with the TC and infra on the plan and they are both on board.14:33
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mesteryAny questions?14:33
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bloganmestery: by tomorrow do you mean two weeks from now? or actually tomorrow?14:33
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mesteryblogan: :P14:33
jorgemIs there a document with info somewhere?14:33
sballeI would like to understand a little more abotu the governance of the incubator proect14:33
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mesteryTomorrow is the plan, markmcclain should have the review out today for repo creation14:34
jorgemsballe: me too14:34
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sbalukoffmestery: Any changes in how incubator is going to be run, or is the wiki still the source of truth on this?14:34
sballeBased on the ML discussion we had there is a lot of confusion14:34
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mesteryI think the governance should be documented on the wiki, let me find the link.14:34
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mesterysbalukoff: The wiki is still the source of truth at this point14:34
bloganmestery: can you make sure it gets put on the ML so we can all look at it?14:34
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mesteryblogan: Ack, will do14:35
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bloganmestery: thanks a bunch14:35
markmcclainthe wiki has pending revisions that I have not posted to clarify feature-branch vs incubator criteria14:35
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sballemestery, Do we have any timeline for the first project to enter the Neutron incubator project14:35
xgermanok, can you send an e-mail once we are supposed to look14:35
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mesterysballe: Once it's up, you can post blogan's patch series there right away.14:36
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markmcclainsballe, mestery: I'll ping blogan when it is ready and help get the patches in14:36
mesterymarkmcclain: Awesome sir!14:36
xgermanawesome, thanks!14:36
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dougwigis devstack getting modified at the same time?14:37
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markmcclaindougwig: not sure… I have work w/QA team14:37
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sballemestery, I am looking forward to seeing this whole Neutron Incubator project working and hoepfully it will work well. We are kind of counting on this to be able to move forward14:38
markmcclainthe gate is still seriously backed up14:38
sballeWe == HP14:38
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dougwigthe gate needs some fiber, for sure.14:38
mesterysballe: ++, I agree, I expect this to really be super helpful as well!14:38
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* mestery feeds the gate some whole grain14:38
blogansballe: i think everyone wants to see it succeed14:39
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sballemestery, you should give it some Red Bull instead14:39
xgermanI think we just bring in Chuck Norris as a "gate opener"14:39
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mesterysballe: hahhahahahaha14:40
dougwigit's only 72 deep today.14:40
dougwigthat's light and breezy14:40
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dougwigany other incubator questions or updates?14:40
sballeI would like to have this topic on the agenda for next week again.14:41
rm_worksballe: +114:41
sballeWe need a weekly status on how this is working for us14:41
sbalukoffsballe: +114:41
xgermansballe +114:41
dougwigmestery, markmcclain - thanks for the update14:41
mesterysballe: Lets use the neutron meeting for that14:41
sballeok when is that?14:41
mesteryI'd like the broader team to hear the update on the incubator as well14:41
rm_workdougwig: I have a topic when we wrap up the incubator topic and whatever else was on the official agenda14:42
dougwig#topic rm_work's topic14:42
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a2hillwonderful topic14:43
sballemestery, when is the next Neutron meeting Monday or Tiesday: Mondays at 2100 UTC and Tuesdays at 1400 UT14:43
rm_workSo, for TLS, we are "registering" with Barbican to get the user's certificate data14:43
rm_workto do this, we need to auth with barbican using our own keystone user that is an "admin"14:43
mesterysballe: I sent email on this, and if you go here ( you can see it14:43
rm_workI don't know if there is precedent for Neutron having its own "service user". Is there? how would this be handled?14:43
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xgermanthat should potentially be the same as us needign a nova user for Octavia14:44
a2hillor maybe itll be an 'operator' admin user?14:44
rm_workxgerman: yeah, i think very similar14:44
xgermanI know security looks down on passwords stored in config files14:45
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dougwigi'm thinking that there must be a standard "openstack" way of handling this.  we can't be the first to need a backdoor account into another project.14:45
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sballexgerman, you can have a Octavia tenant with admin privs for the variosu services or advsrv role in the case of Neutron14:45
rm_workYeah... not sure how else to handle it -- we can't exactly store the password in Barbican <_<14:45
sballewe do this all the time wirh our platform services14:45
rm_workright, so we just need a tenant with a couple specific keystone roles, and marked as "admin" (whatever that means exactly to Keystone, i'm still not 100% clear)14:46
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xgermanwell, name, pwd, etc. should all be configurable14:46
sballerm_work, yeah and we migth not even need admin privs.14:46
rm_workSo, I think this needs to be owned by Neutron, not Neutron-Lbaas, since the code that uses it will be in /common/14:46
sballeit will depend on whta we need to do14:46
rm_workwell, I am currently very concerned with security on this, and I am going to need to discuss with Barbican about how we'll do this14:47
bloganrm_work really just needs to know if neutron alreayd has one set up for this or if one will have to be created14:47
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dougwigmaybe an ML query on how other projects have done this?14:47
sballeblogan, can you elaborate?14:48
bloganmarkmcclain: does neutron use service accounts to communicate with other openstack projects?14:48
sbalukoffrm_work: Could ask on the ML to see if anyone there knows the "OpenStack" way of doing this.14:48
sbalukoffdougwig: Jinx14:48
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sballeblogan, I am not sure what yu are asking about?14:48
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dougwigblogan: it does, for nova.14:49
dougwigi think you put endpoint/user/pass into neutron.conf14:49
xgermanok, then use that one?14:49
blogansballe: if neutron already has a service account set up that can talk to barbican, really14:49
rm_workso we could hook into that14:49
a2hillYea, we do store other 'secure' info in the configs14:49
sballewe need to check this14:49
bloganxgerman: maybe but not sure if it also can talk to barbican14:49
a2hillnot sure why this would be much different14:49
bloganwill require some testing for sure14:49
markmcclainblogan: yes a service account in the recommended way to deploy14:49
rm_workI mean, if it's a keystone tenant, then it's just a role issue14:50
sballerm_work, That's what I am getting at... It all depend on wht we want to do14:50
bloganmarkmcclain: so if we need to retrieve keys from barbican, is there already a service account we can use?14:50
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bloganmarkmcclain: or is that something a deployer does themselves and puts in the config?14:50
markmcclainyes.. there should be credentials that we use for hte Nova callback14:51
rm_workthough I am still thinking maybe we want to hijack the user's token to set up the original trust -- just because maybe allowing the service-account access to literally anyone's data in Barbican is a little scary14:51
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rm_workI may be getting into the weeds here, but I would like people to have some idea what's going to be happening in the background with regard to this14:51
rm_workso if there are concerns with the security of the whole thing, they can be voiced14:52
sbalukoffIt sounds like storing credentials in a config file is no worse than current practice.14:52
rm_workand people with more security experience than myself can chime in :)14:52
sballerm_work, there is something in keysone called Trusts maybe taht would be useful. It allows a service to do somethign as a user14:52
markmcclainrm_work: I agree wanting to limit trust14:52
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markmcclainso you could reuse the current context14:52
rm_worksballe: right, the plan is that we set up a trust between our service account to the user14:52
rm_workbut allowing the service-account to actually set up a trust with any user is a bit risky14:52
markmcclainbut we'll need to be careful that something else in the callstack has not elevated the privileges14:53
rm_workrather, maybe would be good to as markmcclain is saying, re-use the user's original context to initiate the trust the first time14:53
rm_workthen rely on the trust from then on14:53
blogandoesn't this have implications for octavia too?14:53
rm_workblogan: yes14:53
sbalukoffblogan: Yes.14:53
sbalukoffSame problem, really.14:53
dougwigwhat about later, when you need to do maintenance on the LB, and need to re-fetch the cert.  user context will be gone.14:53
rm_workdougwig: but at that point the Trust will be set14:54
rm_workso the service account has access to the user's Barbican data14:54
dougwigahh, i see.  do trust's exist in keystone yet?14:54
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dougwig(or are they at the barbican level?)14:54
sbalukoffWell, again, there is also the problem of the ticking-time-bomb if the user nukes his barbican data and Octavia / LBaaS needs to access it afterward.14:54
rm_workdougwig: yes14:55
rm_workdougwig: they are in keystone now14:55
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rm_worksbalukoff: at some point we can't protect them :/14:55
xgermansbalukoff, let's not open that can of worms14:55
rm_worksbalukoff: if they go in and remove our trust... tough :/14:55
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sbalukoffWe already discussed this, and I think the solution was to have Octavia store its own copy of the secrets.14:55
sbalukoffThat's where I recall the discussion went last time.14:55
dougwignot octavia, just haproxy.14:56
dougwigbut heck, i don't remember the final resolution.14:56
rm_worksbalukoff: right, for Octavia that's the case14:56
rm_worknot for Neutron-Lbaas14:56
sbalukoffdougwig: Right. Because vendors keep their own copy of the secrets anyway.14:56
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rm_work*Octavia* would copy the keys into its own Barbican store14:56
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rm_workbut for Neutron-Lbaas, we're relying on the original14:56
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sbalukoffrm_work: True.14:56
rm_workthus Consumer Registrartion14:56
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rm_workanyway, I'll work up an email with a better overview and maybe some pictures / diagrams :P14:57
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rm_worksince we are just about out of time14:57
xgermanrm_work +114:57
dougwig#action rm_work send writeup on barbican/trust stuff to ML14:58
dougwig#topic Open discussion14:58
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rm_workopen discussion for 2 minutes GO14:58
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sbalukoffOk, going back to bed for a half hour. See you at 10:30, sballe!14:58
rm_workhah sbalukoff14:58
sballesbalukoff, Perfect.14:58
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rm_workthat's a great plan, too bad i have sprint planning <_<14:58
dougwigrm_work: in your writeup, remember that we need to call out to barbican for every SSL negotiation.  people loved that.14:58
jorgemsee you guys14:58
jorgemgot a meeting to attend14:59
rm_workdougwig: hahahaha no.14:59
rm_workI remember that though >_<14:59
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eglynn#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
eglynnhey folks!15:01
eglynn#topic Juno-3 status and FFEs15:01
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eglynnso kudos to everyone who got their patches landed15:01
eglynnthe gate rush was pretty extreme this time round15:01
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DinaBelovaeglynn, as usual..15:02
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DinaBelova_nadya_, good evening :)15:02
eglynnthat effectively pushing the de facto milestone deadline a day or two earlier15:02
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eglynnso I discussed FFEs with our release manager earlier15:03
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eglynnhere's the gist of what we agreed ...15:03
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eglynnnealph_: paas-event-format-for-ceilometer gets a pass by default as it documentation only15:03
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eglynnnealph_: do you feel this can be closed out and landed by next week?15:04
nealph_eglynn: new patches up this morning (US)15:04
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nealph_so, yes.15:04
nealph_Barring any resistence from the PaaS service folks.15:05
eglynnnealph_: cool, let's try to get that landed by early/mid- next week so15:05
nealph_eglynn: will do!15:05
eglynnnealph_: thanks!15:06
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eglynnmoving onto the next FFE15:06
eglynngordc's bigger-data-sql has been granted one week of grace-time to reconcile the different performance test results seen on different mysql versions etc15:06
eglynn... and to combine patches to minimize migrations etc.15:06
eglynngordc: does that sounds sufficient?15:07
gordceglynn: cool. i'll keep an eye on it.15:07
gordceglynn: just hoping gate holds up15:07
eglynngordc: (context is there was resistence to granting a longer extension given the possiblity for introducing regressions)15:07
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eglynngordc: yeah I hope that the gate latency will go down a lot, now that we're over the juno-3 hump15:08
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eglynngordc: presumably we're including in the sql-a ORM->core switch as well as the schema changes in that BP?15:08
gordceglynn: i think it might help given ilya's results...15:09
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eglynnyeah, the test results reported by DinaBelova and Ilya do sound promising15:09
gordceglynn: we can re-evaluate if necessary... ie. worse case is a 10% performance bump15:09
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DinaBelovagordc, eglynn - yeah - Ilya had to go afk right now15:10
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DinaBelovabut he started mysql upgrade15:10
DinaBelovaon the nodes of the lab15:10
DinaBelovaso he'll continue the tests15:10
eglynnso this one is extra important because it's on the TC radar15:10
eglynn(via the gapa analysis)15:10
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DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, we keeep track on this for sure15:11
eglynnso bigger-data-sql is definitely the highest priority RC1 task for the team15:11
eglynncool, thanks!15:11
eglynnk, moving on to the last FFE15:11
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eglynndunno if Edwin is around, but his impi-support BP will also get a week or so in grace-time15:12
llu-laptopEdwin is not here, but I can pass the info to him tomorrow15:12
eglynnso we can sort out the issues around aggregation of sensor-specific and system-wide aggregated data15:13
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llu-laptopI saw he just posted all the patches,n,z15:13
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eglynnand also get clarity on the behavior on non-Intel/nodemanager hosts15:13
eglynnllu-laptop: cool, thanks!15:13
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eglynnllu-laptop: BTW do you know Edwin's IRC nick? ... I don't think I've seen him on the channel15:14
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llu-laptopsorry, don't know either :)15:15
llu-laptopi'll ask him tomorrow15:15
eglynncool, thanks!15:15
gordceglynn: i've just been emailing.. been pretty responsive (aside from time zone diff)15:15
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eglynngordc: yeah +1, I've done the same15:15
eglynnother than that, we still have a lot of bugs on the RC1 slate15:16
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eglynnso I'll need to cull that bug list early next week to remove anything that isn't getting review traction15:16
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eglynnanything else on juno-3?15:17
DinaBelovaeglynn, about "Central agent pollsters not using discovery mechanism" bug15:17
DinaBelovaI took a look on the final version this morning15:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1364352 in ceilometer "Central agent pollsters not using discovery mechanism" [High,In progress]15:17
DinaBelovair seems to work okay with multinode devstack, multiple central agents, etc15:18
DinaBelovaso /me hopes to see it soon in the repo :15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: cool, good to have that confirmation15:18
eglynnit's missed juno-3 at this stage obviously, but definitely need to land it for RC115:19
DinaBelovayeah, for sure15:19
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gordctesting it now myself15:19
DinaBelovahehe, i see -1  by fabiog_ :)15:19
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DinaBelovawell, anyway, this change is quite important :)15:20
eglynnabsolutely, agreed15:20
eglynnbut we've a bit of time before RC1 for objections such as fabiog_'s to be aired and addressed15:20
eglynnshall we move on?15:21
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gordci'm digging into a ceilometerclient bug as well... see any tempest ceilometer-alarm-evaluator log15:21
gordcif someone knows ceilometerclient really well, feel free to take this over from me.15:21
eglynngordc: yeah, I saw that mentioned on IRC last night, didn't get a chance to look15:22
eglynngordc: do you have a sense of where the problem lies?15:22
gordceglynn: yeah. i can't see it locally so i'm sort of blindly patching right now15:22
DinaBelovagordc, frankly speaking this does not look like ceilo client error for me >_<15:22
gordceglynn: i think it's how we're using keystone discovery... i noticed there's a fallback action the other clients use so i just ported taht over15:23
gordci'm not exactly sure if it fixes this case specifically tough15:23
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gordci'll keep digging for now15:24
eglynnhmmm, that log signature rings a bell, I think ildikov saw a similar issue15:24
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eglynngordc: IIRC she solved it simply by switching the port numbers15:24
cdentgordc: if you don't make any headway on that today and want to punt it to me I can pick it up tomorrow and after.15:25
eglynni.e. s/35357/5000/15:25
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cdenteglynn: I recall that but wasn't there some debate about the correctness of doing so?15:25
gordceglynn: yeah... could be a devstack patch as well... just wanted to bring up it's broken. :)15:25
eglynncdent: yeah, I don't recall all the details TBH, discussed about a month ago on IRC15:26
gordcvisibly broken15:26
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1351841 in python-ceilometerclient "python-ceilometerclient does not works without v3 keystone endpoint" [High,Triaged]15:26
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gordceglynn: that's probably the bug ildiko was looking at.15:26
eglynngordc: k, that's definitely high priority so we'll need to line up a python-ceilometerclient release with the final juno tag15:27
eglynn... I'll follow up with ildikov when she gets back from her work trip15:27
eglynnk, moving on ...15:28
eglynn#topic Proposed design summit changes15:28
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eglynnjust a heads up on a few summit changes that being discussed currently15:29
eglynnfirst, a move towards more open/collaborative scheduling of the design session tracks15:29
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eglynnavoiding using the webapp for proposals, instead just using etherpads etc. to agree the content of the tracks15:30
eglynndoesn't sound a million miles from the way we did this for the Juno track15:30
eglynnexcept with s/etherpad/googledoc/ in that case15:31
eglynnany opinions on how folks would like to approach that?15:31
fabiog_eglynn: would you create a kilo or summit folder in ceilometer specs too?15:32
eglynnfabiog_: yep, good point15:32
fabiog_so people can start populate with potential ideas15:32
DinaBelovafabiog_, good point, yeah15:32
eglynnfabiog_: I'll create a kilo directory and any outstanding BP proposals can be rebased onto that15:32
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fabiog_eglynn: thanks that helps a lot15:33
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fabiog_are we still have the group table with whiteboard?15:33
DinaBelovafabiog_, do you mean project pods?15:33
eglynnjust one thing to note though about ceilo-specs, some of the other projects are -2'ing all kilo BP proposal to avoid distracting reviewers from juno-3 and RC115:33
fabiog_DinaBelova: yes, I didn't remember the name15:34
eglynnpersonally I think that's a bit OTT15:34
eglynnfabiog_: did you see that design summit reloaded thread on the ML?15:34
DinaBelovaeglynn, ++ - that's weird a while - especially keeping in mind the fact we ahave not so mane specs15:34
fabiog_eglynn: I will give it a look and shut up ;-)15:35
eglynnfabiog_: that was the other summit change I wanted to discuss ...15:35
eglynnTL;DR: keep Friday for contributor meetups in a format similar to the project pods in ATL15:35
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eglynnfabiog_: TBH I'm not sure why we don't just do the project pods in the same way again as ATL, as it would avoid losing 33% of the design session slots15:36
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fabiog_eglynn: I guess there is not enough space like in Atlanta15:37
fabiog_I guess price per sqft in Paris is higher than in Atlanta ;-)15:37
eglynnfabiog_: yeah that could be it ... in any case, I raised that idea here:
fabiog_eglynn: do you think we can ask Hyatt to set-up pods for the different projects?15:38
fabiog_eglynn: being one of the conference hotels, they may agree on that, just a thought15:39
eglynna-ha, k, yeah ... though it would obviously add to the cost15:39
eglynn... I'll ask though to get some clarity, as I think the pod was really useful last time round15:39
fabiog_eglynn: maybe not, we are closing the hotel anyway for Openstack ;-)15:40
* gordc thought pod was useful as well.15:41
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eglynncool, moving on ...15:42
eglynn#topic Tempest15:42
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eglynnDinaBelova: I saw your patch to unskip that nova notification test15:43
DinaBelovaeglynn, as for the Tempest - here it is tests unskip
DinaBelovayeah :D15:43
DinaBelovaand Matthew said he'll add his +2 after gate will feel better15:43
DinaBelovaso I just need finally to find Sean15:43
DinaBelovahe's kind of ghost :)15:43
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gordcDinaBelova: we can probably leave it for now and bring it up when gate calms.15:44
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DinaBelovagordc, yeah, for sure15:44
eglynnDinaBelova: cool, sounds reasonable15:44
eglynncdent has a special kind of skill in shaking +2s out of Sean ;)15:44
DinaBelovaso after it'll be merged, it'll be possible to remove -2s from other tetss15:44
DinaBelovaeglynn :D15:44
cdentIt's bizarre but useful.15:44
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DinaBelovacdent, quite agree here :)15:45
gordccdent: lol15:45
DinaBelovacdent, do you have talent to remove -2's from Sean?15:45
eglynnDinaBelova: "remove -2s from other tests" ... that's the other stalled notification tests?15:45
DinaBelovaeglynn. yeah15:45
DinaBelovanot for nova, but for other services15:45
cdentI haven't yet had the opportunity15:45
DinaBelovacdent, you'll have one ;)15:45
eglynnDinaBelova: ... that would be great!15:45
DinaBelovaI promise15:45
cdentI'm guess the skill comes from the fact that I have more commits on devstack, grenade and tempest than I do on ceilo15:46
DinaBelovaeglynn, yeah, I really hope to remove these -2s....15:46
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DinaBelovacdent, yeah, I guess so15:46
* eglynn thinking again about the TC gap analysis, it would be good to able to declare victory on the tempest task as it's very nearly over the line15:46
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DinaBelovaeglynn - indeed, especially keeping in mind the fact, that now all the jobs are feeling ok for notification tests15:47
DinaBelovaon any backend we have job now15:47
DinaBelovaboth on Mongo and MySQL15:47
DinaBelovaso my mongo experimental jobs are just ok for the notifications, although MySQL feels okay as well now15:48
DinaBelovagordc and I decided it was kind of temporary issue15:48
eglynnDinaBelova: cool ... BTW I've curated the gap analysis wiki a bit but feel free to fix anything I've mispresented15:48
DinaBelovawith the gate itself15:48
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DinaBelovaeglynn, ok, I'll take a look, thanks15:48
eglynnanything else relevant to Tempest?15:49
DinaBelovaeglynn, I guess no15:49
eglynnBTW TSDaaS/gnocchi status punted to the next meeting as jd__ is on vacation15:49
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eglynn#topic open discussion15:50
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llu-laptopeglynn: when do you estimate the "juno3 busy" gate queue be ready for accepting patches for RC1? I saw ceilometer rc3 tarball is already cut?15:50
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eglynnllu-laptop: yep, juno-3 is tagged and bagged :)15:52
eglynnllu-laptop: but I think we can start accepting RC1-oriented patches onto master right away15:52
eglynnllu-laptop: IIUC then these must be backported to milestone-proposed in order to get into RC115:52
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eglynnllu-laptop: ... so it's the backport, not the landing on master, that represents the acceptance into the RC15:53
eglynn... at least that was the way we did for past releases15:53
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llu-laptopeglynn: got that15:54
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eglynnllu-laptop: actually I tell a lie ... the branch has changed a little for juno15:56
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eglynnIIRC, it'll be the "proposed/juno" branch you backport to15:56
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eglynnnot "milestone-proposed"15:56
eglynnthe old "milestone-proposed" branch naming has been dropped because we've stopped backporting in the pre-milestone 1-2 day period, as we did before Juno15:57
eglynnk, we're up against the shot-clock as per usual ...15:57
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eglynnthanks all for a productive meeting!15:58
eglynn#endmeeting ceilometer15:58
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bauzasohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nfv'16:00
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sgordon_!topic roll call16:00
openstacksgordon_: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.16:00
sgordon_#topic roll call16:00
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sgordon_whoops :)16:00
bauzasohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o16:01
sgordon_who is here for the nfv meeting?16:01
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sgordon_expecting to be short/quick today as i expect a lot of people are dealing with feature freeze related work16:01
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sgordon_hi luke16:01
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sgordon_#topic review action items16:02
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sgordon_so russell scored two action items last week16:02
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sgordon_one on clarification of FeatureProposalFreeze wiki, which i am unclear on - possibly still outstanding16:02
sgordon_the other was related to the NUMA I/O scheduling16:02
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sgordon_now as ndipanov appears to be requesting an FFE for the base NUMA work16:03
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sgordon_i am not sure where this one stands, maybe jchapman can update16:03
danpbFYI on NUMA  FFE16:03
jchapmansgordon, he16:03
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danpbit has sufficient core sponsors but the questions are around testing16:03
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danpbi think it would be helpful if anyone were  able to step forward and publically say they are going to test this before release16:03
sgordon_#info Base NUMA functionality will require an FFE, has sponsors but needs testing commitment16:04
danpb(say it in response to the email requesting NUMA FFE )16:04
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danpbthe pushback we're seeing against NUMA is all related to level of testing16:04
danpbso anything to mitigate that is useful16:05
sgordon_#info need a lucky volunteer to test NUMA functionality before release16:05
adrian-hobandanpb: We will test the NUMA functionality16:05
danpboh and they need to say this on the mail within the next 24 hrs16:05
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sgordon_and specifically:16:06
sgordon_adrian-hoban, indeed - i think the key is to have a documented commitment on list as to how this will happen16:06
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adrian-hobandanpb: sgordon: We will reply to the mail saying what we intend to test16:07
sgordon_anyone else with a particular interest in this feature that would be interested would be welcome as well16:07
danpbadrian-hoban: thanks16:07
sgordon_e.g. providers etc.16:07
sgordon_we kind of skipped right into this16:08
sgordon_#topic juno status16:08
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sgordon_obviously we have hit feature freeze, i have seen the NUMA FFE request we just discussed16:08
sgordon_looks like one was also just filed for SR-IOV16:08
danpbyes, SR-IOV FFE got a positive reception in nova meeting too16:09
sgordon_#info SR-IOV FFE proposed and received positive reception in nova meeting16:09
nidpanovhere now too16:09
sgordon_#info two cores so far signed up for SR-IOV FFE16:09
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adrian-hobanThat's good news16:10
sgordon_so, those are the two ones i can see already related to work this group has been tracking16:10
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sgordon_does anyone from this group have plans to submit additional FFE requests?16:10
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nidpanovdanpb, sorry to go back - missed your comment about numa testing - so the issues were mostly due to me mentioning it in the email, and HP already kind of signed up to test it as well iiuc16:10
sgordon_nidpanov, i think it is probably necessary to confirm with Paul that was the intent of his email16:11
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jchapmanwe are not lookign for FFE  for I/O (PCIe) Based NUMA Schedulin  :(16:11
sgordon_it seemed somewhat unclear to me16:11
nidpanovsgordon_, hence my response16:11
sgordon_jchapman, understoof16:12
nidpanovjchapman, is that because of the NUMA delay or?16:12
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jchapmannidpanov, that and no core dev reviews16:12
nidpanovjchapman, :(16:12
nidpanovI had my hands full16:12
sgordon_#info I/OC (PCIe) Based Numa Scheduling FFE not being requested due to issues with base NUMA functionality and lack of interested core sponsors16:12
jchapmannidpanov, ye i guessed you guys were busy16:13
danpbrealistically the only stuff that's going to get approved FFE is stuff that already had a +A and was in the gate at time of freeze16:13
nidpanovif that16:13
cloudonlukego, is your accel data plane stuff going to make it?16:13
sgordon_yeah understood16:13
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danpbso yeah, i'm afraid I/O PCI numa scheduling would  loose on that count even if proposed16:13
adrian-hobanThe I/O Numa scheduling will be re-targeted at Kilo now16:13
lukegocloudon: ‘fraid not. Neutron core asked me to develop it more out of tree first, and then Nova wouldn’t take the VIF until Neutron code is accepted.16:14
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sgordon_hopefully the desire to come up with a way to preload designs for summit will go somewhere useful...16:14
lukegocloudon: at least within this NFV group those of us interested in userspace virtio-net seem to be on the same page and on track to share code going forward, which I think is the most important thing16:14
cloudonlukego: shame - are you hopeful for Kilo?16:14
bauzassgordon_: yeah, at least we need to see what will be the new format for the Design Summit16:15
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sgordon_one other thing i wanted to quickly mention16:15
sgordon_#topic other discussion16:16
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lukegocloudon: I am hopeful but it does depend on the success of initiatives in Neutron and Nova to accommodate more drivers/features16:16
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cloudonlukego: understand - good luck16:16
sgordon_itai put together a very well thought out email on some of our current issues and attempting to frame discussion about where we go from here16:16
lukegocloudon: on the list we also discuss the possibility of sharing a mech driver instead of having a separate snabb vs. ovdk vs. etc ones, which I suspect would resolve the Neutron core concerns (which are roughly “too many drivers”)16:16
sgordon_i havent had a chance to fully consider and respond yet but i would encourage others to also review16:16
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cloudonsgordon: +1 - on first read looked very sensible16:17
adrian-hoban+1 on that note. Nicely written Itai16:18
sgordon_does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss this week? i would probably prefer to close down asap and let those dealing with FFE items get back to it16:19
adrian-hobanItai: One thing to consider is the focus on the wiki... I think we need to broaden horizons in getting the info you suggest out to the community.16:19
sgordon_and discuss some of the medium to long term issues/goals starting next week16:19
sgordon_incl. kilo planning16:19
sgordon_even the wiki needs to be broken up and organized a little imo16:19
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cloudonsgordon: quick question on Paris summit - see you +adrian-hoban are giving a telco strategies track talk on this group - congrats on getting selected & what's your plan/do you need further stuff from this group?16:20
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sgordon_cloudon, good question - we're not really sure yet :)16:20
sgordon_cloudon, the idea we had discussed was to try and present some use cases, what's there today, and more importantly what's not16:21
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cloudonsgordon: lucky you have two months then :)16:21
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sgordon_but we will be trying to flesh out further16:21
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sgordon_obviously wrt juno we made some progress but not as much as we would like16:21
sgordon_which is obviously not ideal but also provides us with some good examples of solid proposals that exist but ultimately did not get implemented16:22
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cloudonsgordon: cool - if you want any help on use cases etc. am happy to assist16:23
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adrian-hobancloudon: Thanks! Also, alank co-presenting too.16:24
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bauzassgordon_: do you think we should try to promote NFV work to developers too ?16:26
sgordon_bauzas, of course - but that is a challenging thing16:26
bauzassgordon_: I'm also concerned about the coding and reviewing bandwidth16:26
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sgordon_bauzas, design summit proposals need to be framed around specific goals16:26
sgordon_bauzas, yes - in the context of nova i expect that to be a hot topic in general16:26
sgordon_bauzas, not an nfv specific issue16:26
bauzassgordon_: lemme check if it's in the nova priorities for the summit16:27
sgordon_(contributors interested in nfv need to contribute to this discussion to help the project move forward though or we're all in the log jam togetjer)16:27
bauzassgordon_: there is an etherpad and I don't remember having seen the NFV stuff to be debated16:27
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bauzas#link Proposals for Nova Kilo Summit16:28
bauzassgordon_: can't see NFV in there ^16:28
sgordon_bauzas, this is the thing though16:28
sgordon_bauzas, proposing "let's talk about nfv" in there will get nacked16:29
sgordon_bauzas, needs to be about specific issues or proposals16:29
bauzasI don't know for Neutron but I assume there will be the same etherpad16:29
sgordon_so for instance wrt ci16:29
bauzassgordon_: indeed16:29
sgordon_newer libvirt versions is probably relevant for nfv16:29
bauzassgordon_: but can't see a related topic to that either16:29
sgordon_(esp since some of the nfv features are now getting push back on testing)16:29
sgordon_related to what?16:29
bauzasrelated to the nfv usecases16:29
sgordon_scheduler split in there is another one16:30
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sgordon_bauzas, so the backstory here is there were several such proposals for atlanta16:30
sgordon_all were rejected with clear guidance that sessions need to have a very specific goals/proposals16:30
bauzasgot it16:31
adrian-hobanresource tracker seems to be covered16:31
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sgordon_getting time allocated generically to NFV in the track will be very difficult, similar for HPC or other user story type things16:31
bauzasI just want to make sure that the next Juno developments will be covered and agreed there :)16:31
sgordon_adrian-hoban, right16:31
sgordon_key is to focus on what we specifically want to achieve for kilo16:31
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sgordon_and ensure where necessary that is covered in there16:32
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sgordon_the scheduler / RT / ERT discussion is a great example16:32
danpbalso note that if you propose a topic for a session16:32
bauzas+1 - and I just add: make sure it's covered in the design talks16:32
adrian-hobanIs there a deadline on getting items into the lists?16:32
sgordon_as a lot of features are running into issues on that front16:32
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danpbit will be expected that the topic has already had a spec proposed or some other detailed discussions or write up16:32
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danpbthey're very unlikely to approve sessions for topics where this is the first time anyone has heard of the topic16:32
bauzassgordon_: the scheduler/RT thing will probably be highly debated, don't know if we will have time to cover extra things in there16:33
bauzasdanpb: +116:33
adrian-hobandanpb: Ok, but is there an order in which things need to happen? E.g. add to the list, release bp?16:33
danpbthe goal is that the sessions will focus on resolving actual problems that need f2f time16:33
danpbrather than just presenting new ideas16:33
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danpbalso i hope there will be more unscheduled time for ad-hoc discussions which will be an avenue to bring up any other items which are relevant16:34
adrian-hobandanpb: Is this a living doc for the next few weeks? Perhaps up until the bp submission window closes?16:35
sgordon_adrian-hoban, let me see if i can find mikal's email16:35
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sgordon_no date afaict16:36
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sgordon_let me bump the thread now and ask that question...16:37
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adrian-hobansgordon: Thx16:37
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sgordon_im going to close up the meeting for now16:38
sgordon_thanks all for the discussion16:38
sgordon_let's see what michael says wrt that list and when it is going to be finalized16:39
bauzassgordon_: thanks16:39
sgordon_i expect it will be a while yet while the dust settles on j-3 and the first RCs but we will see16:39
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  4 22:00:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'22:00
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mtreinishhi who is here today?22:00
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mtreinish^^^ Today's agenda22:01
* stevebaker lurks22:01
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mtreinishlet's get started22:02
mtreinish#topic Summit Session Topics (mtreinish)22:02
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mtreinishso I started an etherpad to have some initial early discussion around summit topics we want to have22:02
mtreinishI figured considering the discussion around the new format for design summit it will be better to start this earlier22:03
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dkranzmtreinish: I just added one22:03
mtreinishI plan to push it out to the ML after the meeting22:03
mtreinishbut I figured I'd bring it up here first22:03
dkranzmtreinish: Can you summarize the end result of that email thread about summit changes?22:03
mtreinishdkranz: heh, that kind of overlaps with the tempest scope one :)22:03
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mtreinishdkranz: sure, basically it's looking like one day will be all cross-project22:04
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mtreinish2 days will will be the traditional design summit format (with may some more scheduling flexibility)22:04
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mtreinishand the last day will be each program get's an open day22:04
dkranzNot sure what that means22:05
dkranzFor the group to gather and discuss whatever needs to be discussed?22:05
mtreinishdkranz: kind of like a mini midcycle the each program will get a room and make their own plan and topic22:05
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dkranzmtreinish: RIght22:05
dkranzmtreinish: We used to do that by having mini-qa meetings outside the program22:06
dkranzBut this will be better22:06
mtreinishnothing is definite yet, ttx still needs to confirm we'll have space to do this and everything22:06
dkranzok, cool22:06
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mtreinishbut assuming this is the plan I think planning earlier is better, because it means we'll have less slots for the traditional design summit22:06
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dkranzmtreinish: right. THe one I put is actually better in a cross-project slot if there is one22:07
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mtreinishdkranz: yeah that was on my list for the cross project track too22:07
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mtreinishok does anyone have anything else to bring up on this topic?22:07
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gmannlooks good22:08
mtreinishok, lets move on then22:08
mtreinish#topic Specs Review22:08
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mtreinishso I don't think we've seen much motion on specs lately22:09
mtreinishbut I know andreaf has 2 he wanted me to bring up here22:09
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mtreinishthe first one is something we really need to do soon22:09
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mtreinishright now we can't make forward progress on test-accounts because on a skip exception or failure we leak creds in many classes22:10
dkranzmtreinish: I had not seen this. Will look first thing tomorrow.22:10
mtreinishdkranz: yeah he put it up this week22:10
mtreinishand the second one is the long standing ssh auth one22:10
mtreinishwhich I think warrants a review, because the ssh code has been a continual issue22:11
masayukigI'll have a look it later too.22:11
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mtreinishok cool thanks22:12
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mtreinishdoes anyone else have an open spec review they'd like to bring up?22:12
mtreinishok if there aren't any other spec reviews I guess we should move on :)22:13
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mtreinish#topic Blueprints22:13
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mtreinishso today was j-3 so I still need to go through and clean up the statuses for the open bps22:14
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mtreinishbasically pushing back most of them22:14
mtreinishbut are there any status updates from people on open bps22:14
mtreinishlooking at the high prio ones that are open22:15
masayukigabout tempest-client-scenarios22:15
masayukigTotal: 18 test files (MERGED:9, SUBMITTED:7, NOT YET:2)22:15
mtreinishmasayukig: nice, we're making good progress there22:15
masayukigalmost there.22:15
dkranzmtreinish: I have two patches up for the move-checking-to-client bp that could use reviews.22:15
mtreinishmasayukig: I assume one of those not yet is baremetal?22:16
mtreinishI think adam_g said he was going to look at that22:16
masayukigactually, not.22:16
mtreinishoh, cool22:16
masayukigheat and stamp_pattern things.22:16
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mtreinishmasayukig: ah ok, the stamp pattern has been skipped for a long time22:17
mtreinishI told andreaf the other day we should just have a WIP patch on top of the conversion which unskips it to test if it works22:17
mtreinishbecause it's unreliable at gate loads but should work for a one off run22:17
mtreinishstevebaker: do you want to take a look at doing the client migration for the heat scenario test?22:18
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mlavallemasayukig: the one I'm working on, load balancer, is wip22:18
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mtreinishdkranz: ok, I'll take a look. Those are normally pretty easy to review22:18
masayukigmlavalle: yeah, thanks. I know that.22:18
dkranzmtreinish: yeah, long but easy. The current ones are not so long actually.22:19
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stevebakermtreinish: I've just posted a reply to the heat integration tests thread, depending on the outcome of that the heat scenario tests might be deleted22:19
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mtreinishstevebaker: this is just migrating the existing autoscaling test to use the tempest client instead of python-heatclient22:19
mtreinishoh, nm I misread22:20
stevebakerthe autoscaling test is skipped currently I think22:20
mtreinishI thought it was skipped on the regular jobs, but runs on the heat-slow jobs22:21
mtreinishbut I haven't looked recently22:21
masayukigstevebaker: yeah, that's right. @test.skip_because(bug="1257575")22:21
mtreinishstevebaker: nope you're right22:21
stevebakerI had an abandoned review which fixed and unskipped it22:21
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mtreinishanyway we can discuss this more outside the meeting22:22
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mtreinishlooking at the other 3 high prio bps22:23
mtreinishI think  api-schema-unification is finished22:23
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mtreinishbut I'll check with mkoderer_ before I close it22:23
mtreinishsdague, jogo: are there any updates on the status of javelin2?22:23
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mtreinishsalv-orlando: how about  branchless-tempest-extensions ? I saw patches on that before22:24
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mtreinishbut I haven't had a chance to look at them yet22:24
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mtreinishok, well I'll check on those after the meeting...22:25
mtreinishdoes anyone else have an open bp to discuss?22:26
mtreinishotherwise we'll move on22:26
jogomtreinish: javelin2 is moving along there are some missing logs at the moment but an infra patch should fix that22:26
mtreinishjogo: ok cool, at what point do you think we can mark the bp as closed?22:27
jogomtreinish: I haven't seen the BP at all so not sure22:27
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jogomtreinish: well its working and does more then old javelin did22:27
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mtreinishbut that's fine we can look into outside of the meeting22:27
jogomtreinish: poke me tomorrow and I'll check it out22:28
mtreinishjogo: sure, will do22:28
mtreinishok if there aren't any other bps let's move on22:28
mtreinish#topic Devstack22:28
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: around?22:28
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mtreinishI probably should have made a bigger deal about having a devstack section in the meeting...22:29
salv-orlandomtreinish: waiting for someone to look at those patches22:29
mtreinishI'll do that for next week22:29
dtroyer_zzhey, yes…timezone issues ;)22:29
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mtreinishsalv-orlando: ok, that's what I figured :)22:29
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: well, this is the first time we've had a devstack topic. So I'm not exactly sure what format we should try here22:30
mtreinishbut I guess are there any big devstack topics to bring up?22:30
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dtroyer_zzOne thing I'd like to mention is the talk about changing the logging and service names…there is an etherpad to collect notes at
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: ahh, ok getting rid of the abbreviated names, I think that'll definitely make it easier for people22:31
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dtroyer_zzyeah, although I'm honestly a little misty-eyed to let go of the q-* names  ;)22:32
dtroyer_zzour last active tie to the former name that shall not be mentioned22:32
dtroyer_zzAnyway, the other is the change for process execution to make the stop_xxx() functions work without screen22:32
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mtreinishheh, I've always liked q more too :)22:33
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mtreinishooh, yeah to stop using screen in grenade22:33
mtreinishthat should help a lot22:33
dtroyer_zzthis is intended to let grenade stop using screen22:33
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dtroyer_zzbeyond that nothing major happening now22:34
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: ok cool, thanks for the update22:35
mtreinishI'll make a bigger deal about having a devstack discussion in the next meeting announcment22:35
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mtreinishthat way hopefully we'll get some more people from the devstack team active here22:35
dtroyer_zzsounds good22:35
mtreinishok then does anyone else have anything to discuss on devstack before we move on?22:35
mtreinish#topic Grenade22:36
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mtreinishjogo, sdague: since you guys have been pushing on grenade22:37
mtreinishanything noteworthy to bring up here?22:37
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masayukigtimezone issue?22:38
mtreinishwell maybe for sdague it's ~6:40pm here22:38
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mtreinishbut we can move on and if they show up later discuss it then22:38
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mtreinish#topic Bugs22:38
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mtreinishso dkranz announced the bug day for next Tuesday22:39
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dkranzI'll be there :)22:39
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mtreinishwe've got a lot of untriaged bugs so it'll be good to clean that up going into the rc period22:39
mtreinishI think moving forward it'll be good to have someone who is dedicated to watching the bug list22:40
gmannmtreinish: what's usual strategy on bug day? confirming bugs or assign them to someone to fix also22:40
dkranzgmann: First, triage22:40
mtreinishgmann: mostly triage to see if a bug is real or not22:40
mtreinishand then also to check the status of open bugs that seem stale22:40
mtreinishbut triage is the first priority22:40
dkranzWe can't really assign bugs to other people22:41
dkranzPeople need to assign bugs to themselves22:41
mtreinishdkranz: heh, well we could but I don't think it would be too successful22:41
dkranzmtreinish: We could give the PTL more powers22:41
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mtreinishheh, I have no qualms about assign bugs to people. I just don't think anyone would care22:42
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mtreinishanyway is there anything else to discuss about bugs?22:43
mtreinishotherwise let's move on22:43
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mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews22:44
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mtreinishso does anyone have any reviews that they'd like to get some extra eyes on?22:44
mtreinishooh, a devstack review :)22:44
masayukigyeah, but not so difficult :)22:45
mtreinishdtroyer_zz: ^^^22:45
mtreinishI have one this week too:22:45
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mtreinishit's the last of the random hashseed bugs22:46
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mtreinishafter that is approved we can run tempest with a randomhash seed22:46
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dtroyer_zzI'll add 118078 to the logging list and look at it later22:46
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mtreinishmasayukig: oh, yeah that's a good one too fix22:47
masayukigdtroyer_zz: thanks:)22:47
mtreinishI also have:22:47
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mtreinishwhich will fix an import issue if you don't have a tempest config filew22:47
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mtreinishare there any other reviews?22:48
adam_gwe have our final grenade patch for ironic testing22:48
adam_gthanks to everyone who helped review and merge the huge stack to enable that22:49
mtreinishok cool, yeah it'll be good to get that closed out22:49
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mtreinishoh and one more branch from andreaf_:22:50
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mtreinishwe changed course a bit on the test-accounts work and made it so by default it'll behave the same as it does today and only work for serial22:51
mtreinishbut it'll allow you to optionally use the yaml syntax for regular user creds22:51
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dkranzmtreinish: ok22:51
dkranzmtreinish: I had one topic for discussion22:51
mtreinishand when we figure out the resource leaking issue we can move forward with the parallel provider22:51
mtreinishok let's move to open discussion then22:51
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion22:51
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dkranzI talked to some people today about fault-injection22:52
dkranzWe have rejected such tests from tempest22:52
dkranzBut there is a clear desire for them22:52
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mtreinishyeah, because it violates the blackbox nature of tempest22:52
dkranzWe could create a separate repo for non-functional tests22:52
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dkranzBut is that really worth the trouble?22:53
dkranzHow terrible would it be to just make a directory in tempest?22:53
dkranzThe review team would be the same anyway and another repo just seems like a pain in the neck22:53
dkranzBut we could go that way22:53
mtreinishdkranz: Honestly I think moving forward with tempest-lib will enable people to do this seperately22:53
mtreinishI don't think the review team would necessarily be the same22:54
dkranzmtreinish: Why not?22:54
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mtreinishwell I view doing fault injection as outside the scope of tempest, and honestly we have enough to worry about in tempest right now22:54
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dkranzUnless some core members are not interested in reviewing such tests22:54
mtreinishif people want to work on it they can start a separate project for doing it22:55
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mtreinishI know in the past we've discussed fault injection service with an api22:55
dkranzmtreinish: you mean separate repo22:55
mtreinishto kill things like rabbit22:55
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mtreinishdkranz: yeah, it could use things from tempest lib22:55
mtreinishbut it wouldn't be a gating test suite (at least at first)22:55
mtreinishbecause it'll be a parallel effort22:55
dkranzmtreinish: I would not propose it be gating ever22:56
dkranzmtreinish: those kinds of tests need to run for a long time to be effective22:56
mtreinishdkranz: yeah, that's fair22:56
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dkranzTHough I suppose you could have a "smoke" version that ran for a short time22:56
dkranzmtreinish: but it is really for testing horizontal scaling, HA, etc.22:57
dkranzmtreinish: but ok, not in tempest22:57
dkranzbut in QA program22:57
mtreinishyeah, that's one of the advantages of doing tempest lib22:57
mtreinishit lets us separate things more clearly on functional boundaries22:58
mtreinishbut reuse the bits in tempest that were causing us to dump everything in there22:58
dkranzmtreinish: ok. Such a repo would probably import both tempest and tempest-lib :)22:58
mtreinishheh, yeah I guess if they wanted to reuse tempest test cases22:58
dkranzwhy not?22:59
mtreinishit'll be the samething with the stress framework22:59
mtreinishwhich I think we should spin out at some point too22:59
dkranzI agree. Could be in the same repo.22:59
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mtreinishbut you could write it so it's not a hard coupling but instead you point it to a unit test dir23:00
mtreinishanyway we're at time23:00
mtreinishthanks everyone23:00
dkranzmtreinish: ok, byew23:00
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masayukigthanks :)23:00
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