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| JRobinson__ | OpenStack APAC docs meeting scheduled to begin in 10 minutes | 02:54 |
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| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ :) | 02:54 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 03:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:00 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:01 | |
| loquacities | annegentle to write spec for docs site redesign/experience design | 03:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 03:01 |
| loquacities | hello! | 03:01 |
| loquacities | annegentle: you there? | 03:01 |
| dnavale | hi everyone | 03:01 |
| sld | I'd love to see this... annegentle - can I see progress on this? | 03:01 |
| * annegentle waves | 03:01 | |
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| loquacities | hi dnavale | 03:01 |
| darrenc | hi | 03:01 |
| annegentle | I have a draft, fifieldt and I need to meet to move forward on it | 03:02 |
| sld | ah | 03:02 |
| loquacities | ok, the other one was Anne to ask Sam Harwell to add docs-core to the clouddocs-maven-plugin review team | 03:02 |
| annegentle | sld: what's your interest area? | 03:02 |
| annegentle | that's done | 03:02 |
| loquacities | thought so | 03:02 |
| annegentle | whew! | 03:02 |
| loquacities | #topic Blueprint reviews | 03:02 |
| sld | annegentle: the proposed solutions, timeframe, etc... all of it. :) | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint reviews (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:03 | |
| loquacities | so i assume that means we need to do some? | 03:03 |
| sld | BP reviews? | 03:03 |
| loquacities | yeah | 03:03 |
| sld | that's what I am thinking, based on that... | 03:04 |
| sld | annegentle: ? | 03:04 |
| loquacities | (i read that as 'blood pressure reviews') | 03:04 |
| sld | lol | 03:04 |
| dnavale | ha ha | 03:04 |
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| loquacities | ok, moving on | 03:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Networking Guide status | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Networking Guide status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:05 | |
| loquacities | so i think that's still firmly in progress | 03:06 |
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| sld | yeah....needs a lot of work, but is in progress | 03:06 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 03:06 |
| annegentle | absosmurfly | 03:06 |
| annegentle | we need to all agree to the spec | 03:06 |
| loquacities | #topic Website design and contributor experience status | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Website design and contributor experience status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:07 | |
| loquacities | do you have an update on that annegentle? | 03:07 |
| annegentle | I talked to Tom at the Ops Meetup last week and he wants a longer conversation, so need to sync with him. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | ok, cool | 03:08 |
| loquacities | #topic HOT Template Guide status | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HOT Template Guide status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:08 | |
| annegentle | the basic idea is to hire a contract designer to give us a page design (which would co-exist with book designs/experiences as well) | 03:08 |
| loquacities | yep, i think that was the status last i heard | 03:08 |
| sld | ..and then we just split it into includes, and customize it accordingly? | 03:08 |
| loquacities | sounds like the HOT guide is still ongoing? | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | its hot | 03:09 |
| sld | heh | 03:09 |
| loquacities | toasty | 03:09 |
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| loquacities | #topic API docs status | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API docs status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:10 | |
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| loquacities | i have no insight into this one | 03:10 |
| annegentle | re: hot guide, was just looking into reviews, but don't see any | 03:11 |
| annegentle | re: API docs, just wanted to say I emailed all 21 PTLs with the plan to remove WADL references from the long-form documents and have no input | 03:11 |
| loquacities | heh | 03:11 |
| annegentle | the networking API guide is particularly troublesome since it doesn't have complete WADL coverage and they have two LBaaS APIs | 03:12 |
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| sld | 21? woah...didn't know there were that many. | 03:12 |
| annegentle | so the status is "slow" | 03:12 |
| annegentle | sld: yeah but not that many APIs | 03:12 |
| loquacities | sounds about right | 03:12 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools status | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:12 | |
| loquacities | maven plugin update? | 03:13 |
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| annegentle | Oh I was going to mention doc8 | 03:13 |
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| loquacities | oh, right | 03:14 |
| annegentle | it's a new separately installed tool | 03:14 |
| loquacities | go ahead :) | 03:14 |
| loquacities | what does it do? | 03:14 |
| annegentle | if you have current openstack-doc-tools installed you need to pip install pep8, if you're working on a fresh system, you'll get it through requirements (right Sam-I-Am?) | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | throw a lot of errors :) | 03:14 |
| loquacities | ouch >< | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll build whenever you build tox stuff | 03:15 |
| annegentle | it helps with niceness (whitespace) and line length and matching python pep8 standards | 03:15 |
| loquacities | right | 03:15 |
| sld | which is awesome. | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you build it a while ago, rebuild | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | built | 03:15 |
| annegentle | right | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | otherwise it goes bork | 03:15 |
| annegentle | rebuild which? | 03:15 |
| loquacities | heh | 03:15 |
| annegentle | as for the maven plugin, I want a new release with those items I mentioned in the ML post, but don't have a delivery date from the team who can release it | 03:16 |
| annegentle | that's all I can think of for tools | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: rebuild your tox... scripts? | 03:17 |
| loquacities | thanks :) | 03:17 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc bug day - 9 September | 03:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc bug day - 9 September (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:17 | |
| loquacities | don't forget! | 03:17 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/BugDay | 03:18 |
| dnavale | will be there.. | 03:18 |
| loquacities | ah, thanks JRobinson__ | 03:18 |
| JRobinson__ | np | 03:18 |
| loquacities | i just went to go looking for it ;) | 03:18 |
| sld | a week from today. | 03:18 |
| loquacities | looks like we need more 'mentors' in that table, too | 03:18 |
| annegentle | yes thank you for reminding! | 03:18 |
| * Sam-I-Am signs up for all 24 hours | 03:19 | |
| Sam-I-Am | at this rate... | 03:19 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:19 |
| loquacities | that's dedication, right there ... | 03:19 |
| sld | I can do some night hours, but not sure what to think of the table, since the time zone is all over the place there. | 03:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its utc time | 03:19 |
| loquacities | it's in UTC | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're -5 | 03:19 |
| sld | whats with the eastern / central / etc... on there for then? | 03:20 |
| sld | confusing. | 03:20 |
| loquacities | sld: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html is your friend | 03:20 |
| loquacities | that's the working hours in that tz | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure what that is for... maybe region coverage? | 03:20 |
| loquacities | which is why you see my name in the 'australia' bits | 03:20 |
| sld | ah | 03:20 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: who to ask for help during those times | 03:20 |
| sld | so right now it is 3am utc? | 03:21 |
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| loquacities | yep, 3:20 | 03:21 |
| loquacities | ok, that's all i have on the agenda | 03:22 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:22 | |
| sld | n/m... i see you (loquacities) on a bunch of the hours i could help with... so no need to add me i guess, but i can help *additionally* for a lot of the same hours, if needed. | 03:22 |
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| loquacities | i don't think there's a limit of one person/hr | 03:22 |
| sld | hehe :) | 03:22 |
| annegentle | sld: yeah feel free to double up for sure | 03:22 |
| loquacities | so just add your name next to mine | 03:22 |
| sld | k. | 03:22 |
| loquacities | that way we can cover for each other | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i was just wondering about the third column. now i know :) | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | and somehow i read it as 'timezone hangover' | 03:23 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:23 |
| loquacities | you need more sleep, Sam-I-Am :P | 03:23 |
| sld | WRT Guides - I was talking to a trainer (here at RS) who is interested in putting a lot of work into these - http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/ | 03:23 |
| annegentle | heh | 03:23 |
| annegentle | sld: cool | 03:23 |
| loquacities | oh, cool! | 03:23 |
| JRobinson__ | RE: Opendiscussion - not sure if this was covered earlier in the API discussion, but does the Lbaas still need v1 and v2 wadls in the repo? | 03:23 |
| annegentle | sld: the training team is a separate team, somewhat "incubating" in the docs program | 03:23 |
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| sld | he is out this week, but i'll email him next week to see how soon we can set him up as a contributor :) | 03:23 |
| sld | heh | 03:24 |
| annegentle | JRobinson__: yep... the v2 LBaaS needs to be marked "experimental" as of last week | 03:24 |
| annegentle | sld: cool. they have a training team meeting on Mondays at noon Central | 03:24 |
| loquacities | oh, we should probably mention summit too | 03:24 |
| sld | k. i'll let him know. | 03:24 |
| loquacities | who's going? | 03:24 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, ok | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | not me! | 03:24 |
| annegentle | yeah summit! me. | 03:24 |
| sld | i wish i could! | 03:24 |
| asettle | me! | 03:24 |
| asettle | :D | 03:24 |
| sld | i want to so bad :( | 03:24 |
| asettle | sld, i'll pack you in my suitcase? | 03:24 |
| loquacities | i'll be there | 03:24 |
| sld | i wish | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | sld: we can party it up in SA | 03:25 |
| darrenc | moi | 03:25 |
| loquacities | annegentle and i are giving a talk | 03:25 |
| sld | ah | 03:25 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll be there | 03:25 |
| sld | let me help, so i can go too. hehe | 03:25 |
| loquacities | and so is asettle | 03:25 |
| asettle | JRobinson__, you're coming to summit?! | 03:25 |
| loquacities | actually, asettle has two talks | 03:25 |
| asettle | Yeah, the talk lord all of a sudden. Ha. | 03:26 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: openstack summit | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm waiting for the stateside one | 03:26 |
| dnavale | wow.. way to go asettle :) | 03:26 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, was confused - will be in us in two weeks not OS summit | 03:26 |
| asettle | dnavale, you say that now. | 03:26 |
| asettle | :p | 03:26 |
| loquacities | heh | 03:26 |
| JRobinson__ | all the meetings begin with "s" - summit, swarm, sprint | 03:26 |
| asettle | We like to S it up | 03:26 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:26 |
| asettle | That could be taken as 'we like to sit up' *chuckles to self* | 03:27 |
| loquacities | heh, ok, on that note, let's SUM it up | 03:27 |
| loquacities | (haha, i crack me up) | 03:27 |
| asettle | Between the two of us dude :p | 03:27 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 03:27 |
| sld | lol | 03:27 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 03:27:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-03-03.00.html | 03:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-03-03.00.txt | 03:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-03-03.00.log.html | 03:27 |
| asettle | Do you think the US is ready for Lana and Alex? | 03:27 |
| asettle | ARE THEY? | 03:27 |
| asettle | Oops | 03:27 |
| asettle | Ruining the meeting logs | 03:27 |
| asettle | Again | 03:27 |
| annegentle | heehee | 03:27 |
| asettle | It's like, every damn time. | 03:28 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:28 |
| loquacities | asettle: it's only coped with one of us at a time before ;) | 03:28 |
| asettle | GASP | 03:28 |
| asettle | The shock | 03:28 |
| sld | when will you guys be here? | 03:28 |
| asettle | I will walk in, all floral and lipstick and they won't konw what to do. The floral, short, version of Lana emerged | 03:28 |
| asettle | emerges* | 03:28 |
| sld | lol | 03:28 |
| asettle | sld, two weeks? | 03:28 |
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| asettle | Is it still blisteringly hot in Texas? | 03:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | asettle: yes | 03:29 |
| asettle | Ugh | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | hotter than the surface of the sun | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | african jungle hot | 03:29 |
| asettle | Don't make it sounds too great new | 03:30 |
| asettle | now* | 03:30 |
| sld | updated bugday wiki page | 03:30 |
| asettle | sld you sure know how to excite a room | 03:30 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, lol surface of the sun | 03:30 |
| sld | lol | 03:30 |
| loquacities | heh, yeah, we may act alike, but no one would ever mistake me for you in person :P | 03:30 |
| asettle | Not really, no. | 03:31 |
| asettle | I'm at least two heads smaller | 03:31 |
| loquacities | and about half my width :P | 03:31 |
| asettle | Not quite. | 03:32 |
| asettle | I don't have pins for legs. | 03:32 |
| loquacities | LOL | 03:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 0900-1300z ... maybe thats me :/ | 03:35 |
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| mspreitz | hi | 12:01 |
| pas-ha | hi all | 12:02 |
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| bgorski | hi | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 12:02 |
| tspatzier | hi | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, ... | 12:02 |
| andrearosa | hey | 12:02 |
| BillArnold_ | hi | 12:02 |
| pas-ha | who's going to chair? | 12:02 |
| unmeshg | hi | 12:02 |
| skraynev | hello all ;) | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | should we start? | 12:03 |
| ryansb | hello | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting Heat | 12:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 12:03:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | right haven't done this for ages | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, o/ | 12:04 |
| skraynev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-09-03_1200_UTC.29 | 12:04 |
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| shardy | Hey guys, sorry, bit late | 12:04 |
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| asalkeld | I am just getting the agenda | 12:04 |
| bgorski | you are just in time | 12:04 |
| ryansb | log from last time: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-08-27-20.00.txt | 12:04 |
| skraynev | ryansb: thx :) | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic review actions | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:05 | |
| KanagarajM | i have topic to discuss for the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110557/, could some one bring this to today's agenda | 12:05 |
| shardy | Item to add is probably review of J3 status, unless it's already been added | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | were there any actions? | 12:05 |
| ryansb | looks like the only actions were | 12:05 |
| ryansb | 1) stevebaker raise bugs for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack | 12:05 |
| ryansb | and 2) review the mission statement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116703/ | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | not sure steveb's around | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | everyone had a look at the mission? | 12:06 |
| ryansb | right, this is the week it's at a ridiculous time for him | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | let's move on | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | #topic new agenda items | 12:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new agenda items (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:07 | |
| asalkeld | shardy, ... | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | let's do that now | 12:07 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah we should probably review https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-3 | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | #topic review juno-3 | 12:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review juno-3 (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:08 | |
| asalkeld | all your shardy | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | your's | 12:08 |
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| shardy | So the two I spotted which probably need a status update: | 12:09 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/cancel-update-stack | 12:09 |
| shardy | and | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, | 12:09 |
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| asalkeld | looked quite risky | 12:09 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/troubleshooting-low-level-control | 12:09 |
| shardy | I looked at the reviews and neither looked like imminent merge candidates | 12:09 |
| pas-ha | shardy, yes, i think I just nailed it. will post new patch asap | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | cool | 12:10 |
| shardy | pas-ha: Ok, cool, if you think it's ready, lets try to get it reviewed and gating asap | 12:10 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: I saw you had concerns re the patch update | 12:10 |
| shardy | thing we'll be deferring that one? | 12:10 |
| shardy | s/thing/think | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | I don't know | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | I just not a big fan of it | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | but if someone thinks it's ok | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | then i don't mind | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | do we really need a bp for the funct. tests? | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | not at all production effecting | 12:11 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I think it's just a way of tracking progress | 12:12 |
| shardy | so a BP is appropriate, but a spec is not | 12:12 |
| shardy | (IMO at least) | 12:12 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 12:12 |
| shardy | pas-ha: is anything blocking https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/handle-update-for-security-groups other than reviews? | 12:13 |
| pas-ha | shardy, no | 12:13 |
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| shardy | Same question re https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/implement-ec2eip-updatable but I'm not sure tiantian is around | 12:14 |
| shardy | Ok I guess that's all the BP's, are there any bugs there (or not targetted) which can't wait until RC1? | 12:15 |
| shardy | we have a couple of weeks after J3 to go into test/bugfix mode, so we will defer any bugs not fixed today until RC1 | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | that's what rc's are for ? | 12:16 |
| shardy | So if you find a critical issue, please mark it as such and target it to J3, so we know it's a blocker | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, how is your bp? | 12:16 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, but if possible, we don't want to release J3 with any known critical issues | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | sure | 12:16 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Better after your help, but I'm still working on the rest of the series | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | is says implemented, but i know better;) | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:17 |
| shardy | asalkeld: It does? | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | yip | 12:17 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/decouple-nested | 12:17 |
| shardy | It's Beta Available, deferred to RC1, pending a FFE | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | ok, i was looking at nested | 12:17 |
| shardy | I'll try to get the patches in shape, then we can have a discussion about whether it makes sense to push for a FFE or just defer to Kilo | 12:18 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah list-nested is done (other than a heatclient patch, which isn't part of J3) | 12:18 |
| shardy | Ok, anyone have anything else re J3 or the release process in general? | 12:18 |
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| asalkeld | maybe a link, i should read up on it | 12:19 |
| shardy | ok then, thanks all :) | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | #topic Can we have a grenade testing update | 12:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Can we have a grenade testing update (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:19 | |
| asalkeld | i put this in | 12:19 |
| shardy | asalkeld: be PTL for a cycle, you'll soon get the hang of it :D | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 12:20 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, so I posted this patch $months ago: | 12:20 |
| KanagarajM | shardy: right now this bp targets only the nested stack, how about other resources and app-config,etc ? | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | shardy, so you and EmilienM are working on that grenade pathc | 12:20 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/ | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/ | 12:20 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: You mean the decoupling BP? | 12:20 |
| KanagarajM | shardy: yes | 12:21 |
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| asalkeld | KanagarajM, let's keep on topic | 12:21 |
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| shardy | KanagarajM: well the config and deployment resources are already decoupled, because they're addressed via Rest calls to heat | 12:21 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: +1 | 12:21 |
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| asalkeld | KanagarajM, you wanted to talk about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110557/ | 12:21 |
| KanagarajM | yes | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | i'll change topic | 12:22 |
| shardy | The grenade thing, so we've been drip fed some reviews, and EmilienM has helped get it working | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110557/ | 12:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110557/ (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:22 | |
| shardy | but basically, I/we need help getting it actually merged | 12:22 |
| EmilienM | shardy: hey | 12:22 |
| KanagarajM | this patch is summited for the cloumn name change and its been suggested to support 'zero downtime migration' | 12:22 |
| shardy | I've got limited experience with grenade, and don't really know how to push it further, given that so far I've failed to get it working locally at all | 12:22 |
| KanagarajM | right now no service support for 'zero down time migration' for this one. | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | thanks shardy | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM, we chatted about this in #heat | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | i said there: seems like a cosmetic change really | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | and potentially effecting upgrades | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | we *really* need to plan how we are going to tell users to upgrade to minimise downtime | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | I think we need a summit session on how to achieve this | 12:24 |
| KanagarajM | yes | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | do others feel the same/different | 12:24 |
| ryansb | +1 (definitely worth a summit session) | 12:24 |
| unmeshg | +1 | 12:24 |
| skraynev | +1 | 12:24 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 12:24 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I agree, and in the meantime, limiting disruptive non-functional migrations seems like a reasonable step | 12:24 |
| BillArnold_ | +1 | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | ok, cool | 12:25 |
| KanagarajM | ok, shall i summit for design session in K ? | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | #agreed limiting disruptive non-functional migrations seems like a reasonable step | 12:25 |
| KanagarajM | i will come with initial approach i have identified | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM, you/me/someone else | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | we will get a session there | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | for upgrades in general | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM, we can move on? | 12:26 |
| KanagarajM | ok. i will update my findings and share you all . | 12:26 |
| KanagarajM | yes sure. THanks | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | any other topics? | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion? | 12:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion? (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:26 | |
| asalkeld | free for all | 12:26 |
| BillArnold_ | we need this patch in keystone client https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118383/ | 12:27 |
| ryansb | remember to review the mission statement if you haven't already https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116703/ | 12:27 |
| shardy | BillArnold_: Is that a backwards-incompatible regression in the keystone API? | 12:27 |
| BillArnold_ | y | 12:27 |
| shardy | it sounded like it from the bug | 12:27 |
| BillArnold_ | shardy y | 12:27 |
| shardy | :( | 12:27 |
| shardy | Are they planning to fix the API, or just paper over it in the client? | 12:28 |
| BillArnold_ | shardy i don't know, was investigating it enough yesterday to get some tests working again | 12:28 |
| shardy | BillArnold_: Ok cool, I'm glad we've solved the heat issue, just concerned about the wider issue of the API change | 12:29 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: right, this sounds like a serious botch | 12:29 |
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| shardy | it looked from the docs like keystone were doing minor version deprecations without any corresponding bump to the actual API version | 12:29 |
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| shardy | was looking for clarification as to whether that was actually the case | 12:30 |
| ryansb | (sad versioning trombone plays) | 12:30 |
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| shardy | anyway, probably a bit OT for here, I'll ask ayoung or jlennox later | 12:30 |
| KanagarajM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118383/, keystone work with both region and region_id in juno for backward compatibility | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld_ | sorry, flaky wifi | 12:31 |
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| KanagarajM | and i have patched it keystone for region and region_id. but its worth to make this change in the middleware as well in juno, though we have backward compatibility | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld_ | all we all done, so fast? nothing else... | 12:33 |
| unmeshg | I would like to get comments regarding the approach for moving check calls to Observer https://review.openstack.org/118143 | 12:33 |
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| unmeshg | please give it a look and leave comment if anything looks incorrect | 12:34 |
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| asalkeld_ | unmeshg, i think after the releases are done we will all be very keen to look | 12:35 |
| asalkeld_ | everyone is maybe a bit push for time atm | 12:35 |
| unmeshg | ok | 12:35 |
| asalkeld_ | shardy, anything else? | 12:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: not from me | 12:36 |
| asalkeld_ | #endmeeting | 12:36 |
| skraynev | shardy: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116615/, I thought about our idea with handling error for different versions | 12:36 |
| skraynev | ok I will continue in #heat ;) | 12:37 |
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| asalkeld_ | i think my new nick has no powers:( | 12:37 |
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| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 12:37:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-03-12.03.html | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-03-12.03.txt | 12:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-03-12.03.log.html | 12:37 |
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| asalkeld | yea | 12:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPi | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 15:04:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPi)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 15:05:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-03-15.04.html | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-03-15.04.txt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-03-15.04.log.html | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 15:05:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: howdy | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows things going? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | howdy | 15:06 |
| BobBall | going OK | 15:06 |
| BobBall | trying to upgrade to trusty ATM | 15:06 |
| BobBall | in a roundabout way to upgrade to 6G ram | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | how does that help ram? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | just killing two birds with one stone? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | did you get that devstack patch in that you wanted? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | no | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | ianw doesn't like it yet :) | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Hopefully he'll respond to my comments and we can sort it out | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | anyway - as I said in PM DFW is a pain ATM | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so I've disabled it for now | 15:08 |
| BobBall | we'll see how that goes | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so far so good | 15:08 |
| BobBall | might want to add LON as another region once I've got trusty working | 15:09 |
| BobBall | may as well, righT? | 15:09 |
| BobBall | right* | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | different credentials | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, you could | 15:09 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:09 |
| BobBall | what about hkg? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | SYD might be better, can't reemmber, buy yeah, either/both | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | probably with less machines than DFW, ideally | 15:10 |
| BobBall | /all :) | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, memory still an issue I guess? | 15:10 |
| BobBall | well if I can spread it it's better | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I'm not seeing failures | 15:11 |
| BobBall | but I am still seeing significant swap usage | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thats a step forward | 15:11 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess reducing the swap we should see reduction in times, so sounds worth it | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other related stuff cropping up? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | nah - think we're good on that score | 15:12 |
| BobBall | as long as we can get the devstack patch in | 15:12 |
| BobBall | I hope they don't want me to add local.conf support to d-g as I suspect I don't have time for that ATM... | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, it might be the right answer, but I get what you mean | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | indeed | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | can you just cat out the file you need in the bit of shell thats in there for now? | 15:13 |
| BobBall | huh? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, I thought there was some shell script that ran inside the vm | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | passes the vairables to devstack | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | wondered if you could just cat out the local.conf you want in there | 15:15 |
| BobBall | yes - all through d-g and localrc | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | before calling devstack | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | How's the vhd bug going? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | juno-3 today | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't remember | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Last I saw there was a -1 on it | 15:17 |
| BobBall | asking you to make a small change to log things? | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh yeah, I need to do that | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | snowed under with juno-3 right now | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | moving around other peoples patches and blueprint status, sigh | 15:17 |
| BobBall | fun! | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | and ptl is in a plane, I think | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, need to chase down that patch, and a few others | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | a few bugs that would be good to get into juno, just in case someone wants to use that | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything else? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | no | 15:19 |
| BobBall | not from me | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets keep it short | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | while I go back to juno-3 stuff | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Thank you! | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 15:20:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-03-15.05.html | 15:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-03-15.05.txt | 15:20 |
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| e0ne | hi all! | 16:01 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:01 |
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| rushil | hi | 16:01 |
| * DuncanT waves at jgriffith | 16:01 | |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 16:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | hola everybody | 16:01 |
| hemna | mep | 16:01 |
| avishay | hello all | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
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| Guest95203 | hi | 16:02 |
| vbala | hi | 16:02 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 16:02 |
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| asselin__ | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | so just a few things to start.... | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic J3 | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | We went ahead and set the whels in motion to tag J3 this morning | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | There were two SMB patches granted exceptions that we'll focus on when RC1 opens | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | We shouldn't approve anything new after this point | 16:03 |
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| jkremer | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | keep the J3 target map clean | 16:03 |
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| hemna | so the incremental backups patch is out then? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | #topic folks requesting exceptions for drivers | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "folks requesting exceptions for drivers (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:04 |
| hemna | ok | 16:04 |
| hemna | I'll -2 it now then. | 16:04 |
| Murali__ | Can you add comments | 16:04 |
| e0ne | jgriffith which bugs priority will be acceptable after j3? | 16:04 |
| Murali__ | on the patch so I can address them | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj_ | Sorry, my client died. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Murali__: I'll explain in a sec | 16:04 |
| Murali__ | ok. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj_ | So, even the items in flight are getting -2'd now? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: bugs are always allowed to be fixed for the most part | 16:04 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: question for you. Is the driver implemenation of CG considered a bug fix or feature? Is it too late to merge that? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | everybody please wait a second | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | you can't all ask me questions at once about different topics :) | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | There are two drivers that were in process | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | rhe00_: had an X-IO driver | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | and joa with his scality driver | 16:06 |
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| rhe00_ | yes | 16:06 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I just -2'd his driver because he doesn't have any cert logs, FYI. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to get input from other core memebers | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | hemna: which ? | 16:07 |
| hemna | jgriffith, joa's scality rest block driver | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: k | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | anybody have any input on these two, other than what hemna just pointed out on Scality driver? | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: I need to look at the Scality driver. | 16:08 |
| hemna | I think eharney had issues with the SMB driver breaking the nfs driver | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj_ | I had reviewed the X-IO one before I believe. | 16:08 |
| hemna | did that get ironed out? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | so I think maybe I'm not being clear...... | 16:08 |
| eharney | hemna: that was fixed | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | do we want to do exceptions for these? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | bahhh | 16:08 |
| avishay | weeeeeee | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj_ | Sheesh. | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | SMB driver had enough +2s to merge but we held off to get final signoff from Eric | 16:08 |
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| hemna | eharney, ok cool. | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | I'd support that one getting an exception | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | wow... that was awesome | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj_ | DuncanT: I am ok with that if eharney is ok with it. | 16:09 |
| hemna | I'd be ok with the SMB driver. it's waiting on jenkins currently | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | FYI the SMB patches already have an exception | 16:09 |
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| eharney | yes, i am | 16:09 |
| hemna | ok | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | I'm specifically asking aobut the two drivers | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | XIO and Scality | 16:10 |
| hemna | so exceptions for X-IO and scality? | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: yes, that's the question on the table | 16:10 |
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| eharney | X-IO appears to have had virtually no review so hard to say | 16:10 |
| hemna | XIO at least has driver cert results | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | Scality I'm told has been running cert runs, haven't seen the results posted though | 16:11 |
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| thingee_ | hey all | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I'm surprised joa isn't ehre | 16:11 |
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| bswartz | freenode is having problems | 16:11 |
| bswartz | my client keeps dropping | 16:11 |
| hemna | I don't see any core reviews on X-IO yet | 16:12 |
| rhe00_ | rhe00 is here for X-IO, and I'm hoping for an exception. :) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna: Where is that review? | 16:12 |
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| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116186/ | 16:12 |
| hemna | the driver was submitted Aug 21. feature freeze date | 16:12 |
| hemna | :( | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj_ | hemna: Thanks. Doh, I guess I hadn't looked at that one. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | so general thoughts on exceptions for drivers? | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | X-IO was very late and has had almost no reviews, I think we punt it | 16:14 |
| hemna | I think X-IO was too late | 16:14 |
| hemna | and no real reviews | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: thank you for voicing an opinion | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ditto | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj_ | I think that seems logical DuncanT | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | I missed seeing that review too.. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so shall we punt on both of them? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Wasn't scality further along in the process? | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: well, depends on how you define "further along" :) | 16:16 |
| hemna | ok doing a quick review on the X-IO driver, I see problems with it. | 16:16 |
| hemna | soren, I vote no on it for Juno | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: :-) | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | While feeling sorry for Joa, I vote to punt that one too | 16:16 |
| hemna | *Sigh* s/soren/so | 16:16 |
| eharney | did the scality one get much feedback other than name debates? | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | OK... anybody from core want to champion one of them? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | if not we'll punt I think | 16:16 |
| hemna | joa has at least been active recently trying to get feedback | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: There's been a fair bit of discussion on their snapshot approach, but no actual problems found | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna: That is my concern. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Honestly I don't have a problem if people want to review and work on it | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | make a decision next week | 16:17 |
| eharney | DuncanT: yeah I've looked at it a bit but can't gauge how close it is | 16:17 |
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| hemna | I'd be ok with giving the scality driver a bit more time. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ok, let's review the code | 16:17 |
| hemna | get those cert logs up today | 16:17 |
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| hemna | and review the code | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | depending on what happens in the next 24 hours I'll make a call | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Lets get reviews on scality and SMB. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Punt XIO. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj_: +2 | 16:18 |
| hemna | X-IO should be out IMHO. | 16:18 |
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| eharney | sounds good | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:18 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I'm back from burning man, so I can pitch in ;) | 16:18 |
| rhe00_ | then can I please get it marked for the next release? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: absolutely | 16:18 |
| rhe00_ | so I don't miss that train as well | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, scality is in | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | let's move on | 16:19 |
| rhe00_ | already missed icehouse with a narrow margin and then fumbled for Juno | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | #topic moving brick out of cinder | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | eOne isn't here :( | 16:19 |
| e0ne | e0ne ;( | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ahh... there you are | 16:19 |
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| e0ne | i hope Emma and Ben are here too | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | so... short and sweet | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | +1 | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | stackforge | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | but currently there's little value | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | I'd say we have to work out solving the "real" problem | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | the LVM code inparticular as is is not ready or good | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | stackforge is much easier. it could be moved to oslo later | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | There are multiple 'real' problems | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | so I'd like to regroup on this later TBH | 16:21 |
| hemna | jgriffith, you want to do this for Juno ? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | it's not well thought out, and there's still no movement on what we actually want here | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | hemna: huh? Helll noooo | 16:21 |
| hemna | ok :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | let's discuss this after we get Juno under our belt | 16:22 |
| bswartz | Isn't one of the real problems that cinder and nova have different implementations of the same code (i.e. how to attach to stuff that cinder creates)? | 16:22 |
| eharney | i think that sounds like a good plan... i'm glad this is being discussed but it's not clear what the basic ideas are | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I think there's still a lot of misconception and lack of focus here | 16:22 |
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| hemna | I think there is value on having something outside of cinder that handles LUN discovery (a la brick connectors) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | eharney: :) | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: let's sync up later | 16:23 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: you decided that Ban will be responsible for moving it from Cinder | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I'll give you the ugly history | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Ban? | 16:23 |
| e0ne | e0ne: ok | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: huh? | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meetup-summer-2014 | 16:23 |
| hemna | I guess the decision is do we want an agent that cinder/nova can talk to that does this, or just a library (brick) ? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | agent | 16:23 |
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| hemna | I think the agent makes more sense long term IMO | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | agent, but it is a hard thing to design | 16:24 |
| hemna | and the agent needs a concrete API that cinder/nova can talk to | 16:24 |
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| hemna | and then get buy off from Nova | 16:24 |
| hemna | *sigh* | 16:24 |
| bswartz | so brick is dead, long live cinder-agent? | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | hemna: there was a nova-spec on this, I think | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that's what brick was supposed to be | 16:24 |
| hemna | bswartz, well it's not dead yet... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | let's move on | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Brick is a library that has many useful bits for building the agent | 16:25 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | we have higher priorities right now | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | #topic Cinder CI tests and FC | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | yeah sorry for the hyperbole -- I think I get the gist and I have no disagreement | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | asselin__: | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: :) | 16:25 |
| hemna | maybe we can start small and just have the simple agent that does the LUN discover and report back. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | asselin__: has pass-through FC working | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Probably best to write a spec and we can discuss it then? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | yayyy | 16:26 |
| hemna | DuncanT, agreed | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | good job asselin__ | 16:26 |
| xyang1 | asselin__: great! | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | #topic cut off dates for Kilo | 16:26 |
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| asselin__ | thanks | 16:26 |
| e0ne | asselin__ congrats! | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | asselin__: oh.. you're here | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | asselin__: anything inparticular you want to share here? | 16:26 |
| hemna | he was just missing the FC drivers on the blade yesterday and then everything fell into place | 16:27 |
| asselin__ | well I got it working yesterday. Lots of credit to hemna and Rahul Verma (our summer intern) | 16:27 |
| xyang1 | asselin__: we should try this soon. thanks! | 16:27 |
| asselin__ | it's been running overnight, but there are some stability problems. Not sure if it's related to FC or not. | 16:27 |
| asselin__ | the scripts are in my github repo. Link is in the meeting minutes. | 16:28 |
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| xyang1 | asselin__: how many commits can your CI handle in a day? | 16:28 |
| asselin__ | so it'd be good for others to try out. | 16:29 |
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| asselin__ | xyang1, we're limited to 1 job at a time now. So about 24/day is a good guess. | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | asselin__: thanks. good to know | 16:30 |
| hemna | 1 job per node at any time | 16:30 |
| asselin__ | 1 job = 1 driver. We have 3 drviers, so 3 jobs simultaneously. | 16:30 |
| hemna | due to FC passthrough | 16:30 |
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| xyang1 | ok | 16:30 |
| asselin__ | right, we do 1 fc job at a time, 1 iscsi job at a time, and 1 other iscsi job that doesn't require a 2nd eth | 16:31 |
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| asselin__ | so, please try it out. let me know what works or not. bug fixes are appreciated. | 16:32 |
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| asselin__ | documentation is still poor, so do your best and ask me questions. | 16:33 |
| asselin__ | poor -> non-existent | 16:33 |
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| asselin__ | that's it, unless anyone has questions, or freenode is having issues. | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | Ok.. thanks asselin__ | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | back to cut-off dates | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Thanks. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Just wanted to nail down what is expected for Kilo. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj_ | No drivers after Kilo1? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: I'm good with that | 16:35 |
| rushiagr | +1 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I think avishay would like to say "NO new drivers." | 16:35 |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Well, we already have some deferred. ;-) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | but I think K1 is a good compromise | 16:36 |
| rhe00_ | so when is Kilo1? | 16:36 |
| hemna | jungleboyj_, +1 | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: yup | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: don't know yet | 16:36 |
| hemna | I think we wanted to target Kilo for stabilization no? | 16:36 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i think drivers are less harmful...i'd like to see less new features | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok, good to know. we'll target k-1:) | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: How about adding support for features into drivers? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: will likely be around Dec | 16:36 |
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| bswartz | Kilo will be early december most likely | 16:36 |
| rushiagr | I like the idea of K1. We're not saying 'no' to drivers, and also we're ensuring we've good amount of time for stabilizing/improving cinder | 16:36 |
| bswartz | December 5 is my bet | 16:37 |
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| eharney | jungleboyj_: i'm not sure it's reasonable to restrict adding support for features into drivers | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Ok, anybody object to running with that for the K release? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: we'll get to that next :) | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Works for me. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | ok.. going once? | 16:37 |
| avishay | jgriffith: +8 | 16:37 |
| eharney | i'll say i'm +0 on the k-1 driver limit | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | speak now or don't wine to me in 2 months | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: fair enough | 16:37 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: I found the dates always keep moving:) | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: indeed they do | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj_ | xyang1: If we set them earlier they won't move out so far. | 16:38 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 on drivers at K1. | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | +1 from me too | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: the idea is we'd like to have a release where we spend more of our efforts on the core project and stability | 16:38 |
| rhe00_ | why would you want to prevent new drivers? | 16:38 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: understand | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: we don't want to prevent them | 16:38 |
| rhe00_ | ok, that's what it sounded like | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | Can we put a big, loud, clear statement on the mailing list today, so that people can't say they didn't know? (I'll send it, and a reminder at summit time) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: but adding a dozen drivers in the last milestone of every release sucks | 16:39 |
| hemna | rhe00_, they just need to be in by K1. | 16:39 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +2 | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: we'd at least like to have them submitted early | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj_ | rhe00_: We want to focus on other reviews and fixes. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | rather than at the last minutes | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | rhe00_: New drivers suck up review time like crazy | 16:39 |
| rhe00_ | ok, understood. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | because we all know there's no better time than the last minute | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | #topic no new driver features | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I'm certainly not a proponent of that | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | #action Duncan to go advertise this decision on the mailing list | 16:40 |
| eharney | i don't think this one makes sense unless there's something i'm missing | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: are you saying you'd propose that? | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I think we want /more/ drivers to fix up missing features, not fewer | 16:40 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | eharney: doesn't make sense to me either, but jungleboyj_ posted it | 16:40 |
| rhe00_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:40 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:41 |
| hemna | for Kilo, we'll have several things we need to get in for our drivers now that some new stuff landed in J. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: No, just wanted to make sure the expected dates are documented. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: agreed... still waiting for jungleboyj_ to say something | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | ahhh | 16:41 |
| hemna | existing drivers should always be allowed to update to support cinder features IMO. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj_ | So, K3 for new driver features being proposed still? | 16:41 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: well that's not an expectation, and I fear now it will just cause confusion :( | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | hemna: +1 | 16:41 |
| mtanino | DuncanT: +1 | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Not necessarily after feature freeze - testing and stabilisation takes time | 16:41 |
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| eharney | jungleboyj_: i think so, because some driver features are fairly small and there isn't really a reason to block them as a whole | 16:41 |
| hemna | DuncanT, sure that goes w/o saying I thinks. | 16:41 |
| thingee | DuncanT, jgriffith: can we get an etherpad list of the drivers to still review through for this release? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: I don't think we need more beuarocracy | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | ie dates for *everything* | 16:42 |
| avishay | i agree, drivers should be able to enable features | 16:42 |
| hemna | thingee, I think it's only the scality driver now | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | thingee: there's only 3 | 16:42 |
| hemna | thingee, X-IO is out | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | thingee: SMB and Scality Block Driver | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | SMB has two patches | 16:42 |
| rhe00_ | but you can still review it. :) | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: Ok ... So, nothing that needs to be documented there. Forget that I worried about it. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: yes... sorry :) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: :) | 16:42 |
| eharney | jungleboyj_: i think it's assumed to be part of the feature freeze | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | the bigger question..... | 16:43 |
| eharney | er never mind, read that wrong | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I reup'd the datera driver. no changes except rebase and regenerate config https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109481/11 | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | I think it might be worth making clear here that we mean no problem with drivers implementing their bit of existing cinder features | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic new features in Kilo | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj_ | eharney: jgriffith Thanks! | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | Rather than crazy new features | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: fair enough | 16:43 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, do you have the etherpad URL for the Kilo stabilization items? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | frankly if people want to optimize their drivers, add internal things etc that's fine by me | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | make your driver better | 16:43 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | so there's different thoughts on Kilo | 16:44 |
| hemna | we actually went through that list here and are trying to see how much we can contribute to them for Kilo. | 16:44 |
| hemna | we might try and take on some of them. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | the question that have come up: | 16:44 |
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| DuncanT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work | 16:44 |
| hemna | DuncanT, thanks | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | 1. Should we just cease introducing ANY new features in Kilo | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | 2. Should we allow limited new features, and if so up until what milestone? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | -1 on no new features at all, things like differential backup I want ot see in | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | 3. If we do a 'stability' release like this, willl people actually participate/contribute? | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | No new features that don't have PoC code before the summit? | 16:45 |
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| hemna | 3. YES! :) | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I know you will :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | so I don't like option 1 myself | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | 3. Yes from us (the other bit of HP) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | I prefer option 2 | 16:46 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +2 on 2. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | 3 will take care of itself so whatever | 16:46 |
| kmartin | I like #2 | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | #2 is good. We just need to come up with a date | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | I don't know how I feeel about the no new features that don't have POC code at summit | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: +2 seems reasonable? Do we set K1 again? | 16:46 |
| kmartin | that came out wron=g :) I prefer option 2 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | I DO say no summit sessions for features without POC code | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj_ | kmartin: Thanks, I needed a laugh! | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | As far as cutting off features.... | 16:47 |
| rushiagr | +1 for #2 | 16:47 |
| avishay | jgriffith: sounds good to me, and any new feature should comply with the stabalization code - no submitting code that needs immediate cleanup | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | First, I'd like to be VERY picky and selective about features | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:47 |
| hemna | kmartin, #1 go take a #2 | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | avishay: + | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj_ | Who does #2 work for? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | I'd propose that we're very picky about any new features being proposed. There needs to be a very clear benefit and win for Cinder | 16:48 |
| kmartin | end of K2, and they must be merged by then not just submitted | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | and not just "vendor xyz would like to support abc" | 16:48 |
| hemna | yah | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I think that seems reasonable | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | The only feature I want to see is differential backup, and that should be merged before K1 hopefully | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | That gives an entire milestone for testing and stability improvements | 16:49 |
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| hemna | I things like multi-attach are a bit tricky, because it involves nova more than anything. | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I know I know.. you want differential backups :) | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj_ | kmartin: +2 | 16:49 |
| hemna | but I like the by K2 target. | 16:49 |
| Murali__ | I am with Duncan :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | does anybody disagree with limited features and cut off being K2? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | Murali__: I'm with both of you :) | 16:49 |
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| eharney | i'm wary it will get in the way of smaller things that could go into K-3 without much issue | 16:50 |
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| eharney | for large cinder-wide features, sure | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: valid point | 16:50 |
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| thingee | eharney: +1 | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | eharney: We want it to get in the way - we want to push people towards working on testing, stabilisation, correctness, docs etc | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | so here's the thing... for me at least; I'm not a fan of strict black and white rules | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I'm thinking more of guidelines here | 16:51 |
| eharney | DuncanT: it's not really obvious to me that will be the outcome | 16:51 |
| eharney | DuncanT: people may just work on their features shooting for M-1 instead | 16:51 |
| bswartz | rules are made to be broken | 16:51 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 there should be a case by case exception if possible. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I think that introducing rigid rules causes more harm than good | 16:51 |
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| hemna | or we'll turn into nova. | 16:51 |
| eharney | er, L-1 | 16:51 |
| hemna | the project of no. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:51 |
| eharney | hemna: agreed | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | eharney: That is always a risk, hopefully their feature will be better tested by then at the least | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so let's call these things "Guidelines" | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | and "Goals" | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | hema: +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | Guidelines: | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | 1. New drivers submitted by K1 | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | 2. New features are limited and ideally merged by K2 | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | 3. K3 is dedicated to stability and bug fixing | 16:53 |
| avishay | 2. ...and POC at summit ? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | 4. or course item 3 applies to all milestones | 16:53 |
| eharney | if a new feature lands in K-2 that involves driver enablement, we might want K-3 to get it supported in drivers... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | 5. POC required for any summit session related to new features | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | PoC at summit for all summit sessions? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | eharney: yeah, that's always a "special" case IMO | 16:53 |
| kmartin | why do we have two #2's ? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: because avishay added another one :) | 16:54 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yeah but we have to write these special cases down if we're going to list all these guidelines :) | 16:54 |
| kmartin | :) | 16:54 |
| avishay | :) | 16:54 |
| eharney | otherwise nobody can figure out what's going on | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | eharney: agreed | 16:54 |
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| hemna | kmartin, didn't you know that 2 was after 2 and before 3? | 16:54 |
| hemna | :P | 16:54 |
| kmartin | I like the guidelines they are clear and to the point, +1 | 16:54 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yah awesome job. +2! | 16:54 |
| avishay | sounds good to me | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Ok, everybody good with those 5 items as guidelines for Kilo? | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | anything that should be added? | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | +1 | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | sounds good | 16:55 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: +2 | 16:55 |
| thingee | +1 | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | #action jgriffith to add these guidelines to the wiki page | 16:55 |
| avishay | jgriffith: and ML? | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: what is the requirement for CI on the drivers? | 16:55 |
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| avishay | gotta run, bye all | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: DuncanT already stated he took an action item to post to ML | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | I'll leave that one to him | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | Not a problem | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I'm glad you asked :) | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | #topic third party CI | 16:56 |
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| eharney | yes please make sure that thoughts on CI in Kilo get written down somewhere solid as well | 16:56 |
| * DuncanT is highly disappointed no to see more systems posting by now | 16:56 | |
| jgriffith | so first let's talk about the rest of Juno | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | I still expect to see people getting this up and running before we close out | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | If you remember I had different views on this at the summit | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | but the bottom line is what we have sucks | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | all the way around | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | and I'm sorry, not to offend anybody, but putting up somethign that doesn't work is worse than not putting something up at all | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | this whole approach isn't working for me quite frankly | 16:58 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: now the FC passthough is working we can focus on stability, no more excuses for us | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I think part of the problem is not having a good clear direction on HOW to set up the CI. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: but my point is and has been... you shouldn't be voting if you're not stable | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | and if your system doesn't publish results | 16:59 |
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| rhe00_ | wouldn't it be possible to "clone" an environment that works instead of having every single vendor go through all the gotchas on their own? a VM or something? | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | I've had a CI system running for weeks, but I'm not voting because I was having intermittent failures | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | rhe00_: there are LOTS of options | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | rhe00_: DuncanT has his KISS_CI | 16:59 |
| hemna | I don't think anyone has 3rd party CI voting yet? | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | rhe00_: I have my version of it using ansible | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | asselin__: has Jenkins | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: has Jenkins as well | 17:00 |
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| hemna | I think it might help if we posted a wiki/blog about setups for the different approaches. | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | Bottom line is with the exception of a few most have just ignored third party CI requirements | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | hemna: fair enough | 17:01 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, time | 17:01 |
| tjones | hi guys - almost done? | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'll write up mine this week and get it published to my blog and share it | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | Ok... let's head over to cinder channel | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 17:01:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-03-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-03-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-03-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | tjones: all yours...s orry | 17:01 |
| tjones | jgriffith: no worries | 17:02 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 17:02:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
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| tjones | hi folks - who's here today? | 17:02 |
| arnaud | o/ | 17:02 |
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| * mdbooth_home is vaguely present | 17:03 | |
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| tjones | lol | 17:03 |
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| tjones | so featyre freeze is basically today | 17:04 |
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| tjones | too bad i can't spell it | 17:04 |
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| tjones | oslo.vmware and spawn refactor are soooo close. | 17:04 |
| mdbooth_home | oslo.vmware is in | 17:05 |
| mdbooth_home | spawn refactor is bouncing in the gate | 17:05 |
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| tjones | hurrah! | 17:05 |
| tjones | closer than i thought | 17:05 |
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| mdbooth_home | Except for the last patch, which is complicated | 17:05 |
| mdbooth_home | and currently rejected | 17:05 |
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| mdbooth_home | We're going to have to ask for a FFE | 17:05 |
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| tjones | mdbooth_home: do you have the link handy? | 17:05 |
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| vuil | I asked john about it. | 17:06 |
| vuil | oh hi, was speaking to someone | 17:06 |
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| vuil | I will split up the patch into two, then we can ask for ffe in the ML | 17:06 |
| mdbooth_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98322/ | 17:06 |
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| vuil | thank for the help btw matt | 17:06 |
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| mdbooth_home | vuil: I already split the tests out | 17:06 |
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| vuil | oh cool, was looking at a stale page then. | 17:07 |
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| tjones | ok lets talk about what else we would like to ask for FFE. Other things that missed are ova, ephemeral disk, vsan, spbm | 17:07 |
| vuil | matt: you have any leads for two more core sponsors? I'd imagine we have John as one | 17:07 |
| tjones | we also have 64 open bugs | 17:07 |
| tjones | im saying that cause i would really like us to take some bug fixing time too | 17:08 |
| vuil | how much time do we have for bug-fixin again? | 17:08 |
| mdbooth_home | vuil: None specifically, I'm afraid. | 17:08 |
| tjones | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 17:08 |
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| tjones | 2 weeks to RC | 17:09 |
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| tjones | so we have john as sponsor for the remaining spawn refactor. we need one more | 17:10 |
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| vuil | two more I think | 17:10 |
| mdbooth_home | Are we going to try to get the test changes in, too? | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth_home | To be fair, it wasn't immediately obvious to me what the test changes were doing, either | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth_home | vuil: I haven't actually submitted the tests as a separate patch yet, btw, as I wanted to talk to you first | 17:11 |
| vuil | I can take another pass at them | 17:12 |
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| vuil | yeah let's talk afterwards | 17:12 |
| mdbooth_home | k | 17:12 |
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| mdbooth_home | So, what's the regular mechanism for begging for core sponsors? | 17:13 |
| tjones | ok - so the remaining spawn refactor patch we want FFE for (https://review.openstack.org/98322) and we have 1 core sponsor only - correct? | 17:13 |
| vuil | I have no idea, its a first for me | 17:13 |
| mdbooth_home | tjones: Unless vuil thinks we need to include the tests too, yes | 17:13 |
| tjones | well… what we have done in the past is just ask people that have been reviewing it | 17:13 |
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| mdbooth_home | That would be johnthetubaguy and jaypipes | 17:14 |
| vuil | maybe next best thing is to ping folks who have been reviewing the earlier items in the series | 17:14 |
| tjones | yes | 17:14 |
| arnaud | agreed | 17:14 |
| vuil | like brian elliot and daniel b | 17:14 |
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| mdbooth_home | belliot has also been very helpful with reviews | 17:15 |
| tjones | ok who is going to do that? | 17:15 |
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| mdbooth_home | Post to the mailing list? | 17:15 |
| tjones | could do that and ask them on irc | 17:15 |
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| vuil | let me work out between matt and I, on what to add with the tests. | 17:15 |
| tjones | ok thanks | 17:15 |
| vuil | then we ping them on irc first | 17:16 |
| tjones | so thoughts on the other ones that did not get in? | 17:16 |
| mdbooth_home | ephemeral disks has been around since forever, and is pretty simple | 17:16 |
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| tjones | yes even before i started working on this project ;-) | 17:16 |
| mdbooth_home | I didn't bother rebasing it the other day, though, because it looked unlikely to make it | 17:17 |
| vuil | yeah and it follows right after the refactor chain which we are asking ffe for, so that's a good candidate | 17:17 |
| mdbooth_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109432/ | 17:18 |
| mdbooth_home | johnthetubaguy seems positive on getting that in, though | 17:18 |
| vuil | vsan/streamoptimized has been around for the longest time, it has the misfortune of depending on both the oslo.vmware and the refactoring being done, so alas... | 17:18 |
| mdbooth_home | vuil: Does it have good karma? | 17:19 |
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| tjones | vuil: thoughts on focusing on them for k-1? spawn is a very clear FFE. for ephemeral - garyk can you change the commit message to somethings that makes it clear this is needed for driver consistency? | 17:20 |
| vuil | mdbooth: no not quite, but that was mostly because we could not post updated versions of it easily without either one of those landing | 17:20 |
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| mdbooth_home | vuil: Yeah, sounds like we should give up on it for J. | 17:21 |
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| vuil | sadly yeah. now that oslo.vmware integration lands, at least I can update and post them without any hack dependencies | 17:22 |
| mdbooth_home | +1 | 17:22 |
| tjones | getting that and refactor in will make our lives so much easier in k | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth_home | There are a few more from oslo.vmware which currently have -2s | 17:22 |
| vuil | spbm stuff? | 17:23 |
| mdbooth_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100927/ | 17:23 |
| mdbooth_home | That's before spbm | 17:23 |
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| mdbooth_home | It's another disruptive refactor patch, though | 17:23 |
| vuil | which is kinda what I said to gary as well. | 17:24 |
| vuil | I tried to rebase the refactor stuff on top of it, half dozen conflicts or so | 17:24 |
| mdbooth_home | It's looking a bit ignored, unfortunately | 17:25 |
| vuil | none too bad, but it does mean score reset and what not | 17:25 |
| mdbooth_home | Incidentally, all patches currently in the gate remain at risk for J-3 | 17:25 |
| mdbooth_home | Basically, if the small gods of the gate decide not to favour us, they won't make it | 17:26 |
| tjones | ugh | 17:26 |
| mdbooth_home | Could somebody in the appropriate TZ please babysit them overnight? | 17:26 |
| mdbooth_home | Well, my overnight | 17:26 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/vmware-spawn-refactor,n,z | 17:26 |
| mdbooth_home | Your daytime :) | 17:26 |
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| vuil | I hope those will be safer candidates for ffe should it come to that. | 17:26 |
| vuil | yeah those gods have not been to kind the last 24 hours. | 17:27 |
| tjones | i don't see anything under the oslo umbrella | 17:27 |
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| vuil | mdbooth: sure I will keep tabs, probably nothing more we can do with them apart from reverify if we see hiccups right | 17:28 |
| tjones | so - the plan is to ask for FFE on spawn refactor and for garyk to work with john to get ephemeral in as a bug fix. I think that's the best we can do. thoughts on this? | 17:28 |
| mdbooth_home | yeah, that's all I think we can do | 17:28 |
| mdbooth_home | tjones: +1 | 17:29 |
| mdbooth_home | As for the gate, the job queue is huge | 17:29 |
| mdbooth_home | Given it's a series, the chances of them all getting through are practically zero | 17:30 |
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| mdbooth_home | If that's going to require a FFE, we should prepare for that | 17:30 |
| mdbooth_home | because it's inevitable | 17:30 |
| tjones | yeah | 17:31 |
| vuil | mdbooth: so you suggest wait and see what gate spits back before asking? | 17:31 |
| mdbooth_home | I think we should pound on the gate anyway | 17:31 |
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| mdbooth_home | But prepare for disappointment | 17:31 |
| tjones | :-( | 17:31 |
| mdbooth_home | Wait for the -2s | 17:31 |
| mdbooth_home | Which will come tomorrow, I guess | 17:31 |
| tjones | yeah - so everyone please babysit the patches and we'll see tomorrow | 17:32 |
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| tjones | anything else to discuss? | 17:32 |
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| mdbooth_home | Not here | 17:33 |
| vuil | not for me | 17:34 |
| tjones | ok great - have 1/2 hour back :-) | 17:34 |
| tjones | talk to you guys later | 17:34 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 17:34:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-03-17.02.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-03-17.02.txt | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-03-17.02.log.html | 17:34 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 3 19:02:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:02 |
| notmyname | hello everyone | 19:02 |
| elambert | howdy | 19:02 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:02 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:02 |
| portante | o/ | 19:02 |
| peluse | and my bank account # is... | 19:02 |
| cutforth | present | 19:03 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:03 |
| acoles | hi | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:03 |
| bnelson | hi | 19:03 |
| notmyname | ^ agenda for today | 19:03 |
| goodes | hi | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
| * torgomatic is here for about 15 minutes | 19:03 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: well, then let's go fast :-) | 19:04 |
| * elambert will also need to cut out early | 19:04 | |
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| notmyname | why can't I ever find the link to the hackathon? I need to bookmark it | 19:04 |
| notmyname | point is, if you're going, please register | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hackathon-tickets-12383404095 | 19:05 |
| elambert | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hackathon-tickets-12383404095 | 19:05 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | we've talked about this a lot in previous weeks, so not much to cover. if you have questions, ask tdasilva or myself | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | next up..paris | 19:06 |
| notmyname | the conference sessions have been scheduled now | 19:06 |
| notmyname | if you submitted a talk, you should have heard if it was accepted or not | 19:06 |
| notmyname | that is for the conference part, not the technical sessions | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | so, on the topic of the technical sessions | 19:06 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure what's going on with that this time. we have more programs and less space, and there's been a long thread ont he ML about how to organize it | 19:07 |
| notmyname | I believe the technical sessions will try to emphasize cross-project things | 19:07 |
| notmyname | and we should know soon how the scheduling will work. I think it will be different thant he webapp we've used in the past | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | so what I'm trying to say is that something will be happening. but I don't know what yet. | 19:08 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | I believe there will be some time set aside to specifically discuss some of the gap analysis things that we've talked about | 19:09 |
| notmyname | and if you are there I'd very much appreciate your participating in that sessions | 19:09 |
| peluse | for sure | 19:10 |
| notmyname | are there any questions about the paris summit? | 19:10 |
| notmyname | in other news, 2.1.0 final was cut on monday | 19:10 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for your work on it | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | there will be one more release for the juno integrated release. tentatively scheduled for october 6 RC date, with a final on oct 16 | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | two other small things... | 19:12 |
| notmyname | I threw together a short list of small things to work on | 19:12 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | basically "I'm looking for something small to do" type things | 19:12 |
| notmyname | feel free to edit it | 19:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's a problem people have? | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | awesome | 19:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: primarily for new contributors | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | FWIW, on the recon one, use and support of "OPTIONS *" requests is a good way to ask a server what it is | 19:13 |
| notmyname | and finally, the use survey | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | please fill this out | 19:14 |
| * torgomatic is out | 19:14 | |
| notmyname | this is used as direct evidence by people in the openstack community on what to prioritize and what's important in openstack overall | 19:14 |
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| cutforth | notmyname: thanks for the survey link/info. i'll be sure to pass it on | 19:15 |
| notmyname | please fill it out and talk about all the swift clusters you have. you can keep the info private | 19:15 |
| notmyname | cutforth: thanks | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | especially as I talk to the TC and the DefCore people, this is stuff that is brought up to make claims about swift not being used. it is directly helpful to all of us to fill this out | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | #topic EC update | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/ec,n,z | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: tsg: what's going on with EC this week? | 19:17 |
| peluse | I need to go scrub trello real quick and make sure its up to date, have been away all morening... that said | 19:17 |
| peluse | still in need of eyes on the EC patches that are out there | 19:17 |
| peluse | tsg: you there for latest news on eventlet? | 19:17 |
| tsg | eventlet 0.15.2 is finally out | 19:18 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:18 |
| peluse | awesome! | 19:18 |
| tsg | there was a memory leak in the socket code that I had to help fix to make sure it was released last weekend | 19:18 |
| peluse | so what are the next step on getting it usable for testing on the feature/ec branch? (for notmyname) | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | tsg: can you add a comment to the requirements file saying that >= that version will be required when EC lands? it will be a helpful note for all of us | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | tsg: nice work! | 19:19 |
| tsg | sure! | 19:19 |
| notmyname | tsg: thanks | 19:19 |
| tsg | other patches: quorum_size patch is updated with Sam's comments | 19:19 |
| tsg | footer patch - should be up there this week for review | 19:19 |
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| peluse | footer w/100-continue basked in? | 19:20 |
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| tsg | peluse: yes :) | 19:20 |
| peluse | sweet | 19:20 |
| notmyname | I'm told that as soon as a package hits pypi it will start being used in gate checks (ie latest released version that satisfies the requirements). so therefore we should already be running with that eventlet version | 19:20 |
| peluse | so sounds like big patches in need of torgotmatic's eyes are (a) replicator framework and (b) quorum size | 19:21 |
| peluse | argh, reconstructor | 19:21 |
| tsg | notmyname: that is correct | 19:21 |
| tsg | we are already running 0.15.2 eventlet | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I did want to talk about process for ec patches | 19:21 |
| peluse | OK | 19:21 |
| notmyname | are we expecting to get two full reviews before landing, or are we looking for something softer since it will be rereviewed as is comes in to master? | 19:22 |
| peluse | 2 full before landing on feature/ec if I'm not mistaken | 19:22 |
| notmyname | I want to keep momentum up on getting it written, but of course I don't want bad code to land | 19:22 |
| peluse | I think that worked well for SP and would be concerned that we'd end up with more work/delays when it comes time to merge to master if we change | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | yeah, but I also remember that being occasionally loosened for SP | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | so I guess the main question is if current work is blocked by needing reviews | 19:24 |
| peluse | yeah, in the very early days when it was just me and torgomatic, he'd push stuff through with 1 review but I think we stayed with 2 as soon as the 3rd person joined in | 19:24 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, just checking | 19:24 |
| peluse | but yes there is work blocked (sort of). Would be easier to continue work on the other reconstructor portions if feature/ec had the reconstructor framework on it so we don't have a pile of dependencies all over the place | 19:25 |
| peluse | BTW, thanks mattoliverau for looking at that one :) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | peluse: which one is the first one that needs to land (first in the dependency chain)? | 19:25 |
| mattoliverau | peluse: np | 19:25 |
| peluse | I'll paste it in, one sec | 19:25 |
| peluse | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106910/ the framework for recon. 4 other major parts will depend on this - all outlined in the design spec at... | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | ok, great | 19:26 |
| peluse | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/86/116486/3/check/gate-swift-specs-docs/7cc6c94/doc/build/html/specs/swift/erasure_coding.html | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | thanks. I put a link to that patch on the priority reviews page | 19:27 |
| peluse | gracias | 19:27 |
| notmyname | any other questions or discussion around the ongoing EC work? | 19:27 |
| peluse | one more note... | 19:27 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:27 |
| peluse | reviews now are really important to make the most use of the time that those interested can spend at the hackathon | 19:27 |
| peluse | that's all :) | 19:28 |
| notmyname | good point | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | next... | 19:29 |
| notmyname | #topic translations | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97092/5 | 19:29 |
| notmyname | peluse: you asked what's up with that | 19:29 |
| notmyname | I asked in -infra a little while ago... | 19:29 |
| notmyname | "I believe we need/want those files to be inlcuded in our sdists. We get that cheap in that location iirc" | 19:29 |
| peluse | my question here: what's the big picture on this one? is this a phased thing? Are all the other projects doing it? I just feel like something is missing wrt context on that patch | 19:29 |
| notmyname | and | 19:29 |
| notmyname | the exact location probably doesn't matter, but if we are consistent it makes the packaging and installation of .po(t) files much easier | 19:30 |
| notmyname | both from clarkb | 19:30 |
| notmyname | peluse: it seems to be a consistency thing | 19:30 |
| notmyname | across all openstack projects, from what I can tell | 19:30 |
| notmyname | has anyone else been a part of any of this? | 19:30 |
| peluse | I guess I don't know enough to know what I'm reviewing for... just make sure the comment in the patch "test it this way" does what it says? (extracts strings) or are there other specs to be concerned about? | 19:31 |
| peluse | s/specs/things | 19:31 |
| notmyname | I don't know | 19:31 |
| peluse | looking back at the bug there was a bunch of past conversation voicing concerns so I wasn't sure if those had been addressed offline or what | 19:32 |
| peluse | here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/608725 | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 608725 in openstack-i18n "swift should be internationalized/translated" [High,Confirmed] | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | sounds like we need to ask around. maybe start in -infra? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | peluse: honestly I think the only way you fix those concerns is to start translating the strings. translators are in a position to file bugs against that stuff | 19:33 |
| clarkb | peluse: but saying we shouldn't bother because the strings are bad is a good way to never get started | 19:33 |
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| peluse | clarkb, I've got nothing against it, just don't know enough about what's being proposed/potential issues/etc to give it a +2 so am asking here | 19:34 |
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| peluse | does anyone here have open concerns? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | and yes chmouel's question has been answered at several summits. There are large groups of people operating the code that want this stuff translated apaprently. iirc IBM was one of them | 19:34 |
| notmyname | clarkb: so how do we test it? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | (and daisy is doing a lot of the work in this space so they are helping out) | 19:35 |
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| zaitcev | and then we see bug reports "swift-object-server: 出来ません". | 19:36 |
| clarkb | to test it you can change your locale | 19:36 |
| peluse | I did python setup.py extract_messages as it states in the patch and seemed to work fine. If that's sufficient then I'm good | 19:36 |
| clayg | zaitcev: :) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | though changing locale may be one too many steps ahead | 19:36 |
| clarkb | peluse: yes, if extract_messages updates the new location of the .pot file that is a reasonable test for this step | 19:36 |
| clarkb | *update the file at the new location of the .pot file | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I am failing at english here | 19:37 |
| peluse | OK, will check it out... so real high level - what/who/when pulls these strings out of there? | 19:37 |
| notmyname | clarkb: maybe you need to be translated. or your own pot files are in the wrong place | 19:37 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:37 |
| clarkb | peluse: any strings wrapped in the gettext format function (typically _()) will be extracted into the .pot file | 19:37 |
| clarkb | peluse: zuul/jenkins will do this on every commit that is merged and sync that with transifex so that translators always have up to date .pot information | 19:38 |
| peluse | so the pot file will change when we change strings in the code and we don't have to worry about it? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | peluse: then once a day we sync the other direction and pull the .po files from transifex, commit them in your tree and push taht for review | 19:38 |
| clarkb | peluse: for the most part that is correct. you have to worry about it when we do the daily sync the other direction | 19:38 |
| peluse | nice | 19:39 |
| notmyname | interesting | 19:39 |
| clarkb | peluse: this will create a new change if there isn't one already and update that each day rather tahn creating a new change | 19:39 |
| peluse | can I get this capability to use w/my teenage daughter? | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | heh | 19:39 |
| clarkb | that change can be ignored until you are ready to sync if you prefer | 19:39 |
| notmyname | clarkb: and so the patch pushed back into swift will have translated strings. and, ideally, we'd confirm that those are the correct translations? | 19:40 |
| * peluse is ready to test again (change location this time) and +2 if notmyname is good with it | 19:40 | |
| clarkb | notmyname: that is a tricky question :) I think most projects don't have the ability to vouche for all of the translations and there is a degree of trust between devs and translators on transifex | 19:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: except for the part about confirming | 19:40 |
| notmyname | right | 19:40 |
| clarkb | notmyname: however you can enforce things on transifex side if you have individuals that you want to delegate that to | 19:41 |
| notmyname | but assuming we all had a babelfish in our ear... | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | peluse: sounds ok to me | 19:41 |
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| peluse | hell, I'll volunteer for the English translations :) | 19:41 |
| clarkb | notmyname: I would do that enforcement there rather than git. The git side is more that it didn't break code somehow eg if you take a string like "foo %s bar" and translate it to "bar foo" any substitution will fail | 19:41 |
| acoles | peluse: careful, there are many variants of english ;) | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: ok. thanks for the helpful info | 19:42 |
| peluse | err... American translations I mean | 19:42 |
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| mattoliverau | So we can have an Australian translation with out all the z's and put back the missinh u's :P | 19:42 |
| notmyname | peluse anything more on that patch? | 19:42 |
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| peluse | yeah, thanks clarkb. was thinking that would just sit there if we didn't chat about it in a mtg | 19:42 |
| clarkb | notmyname: peluse: then the erally high level testing would be to change locale and see that translated strings come out | 19:43 |
| * clayg wants to recruit glange for the esperanto local | 19:43 | |
| peluse | got it | 19:43 |
| clarkb | we don't do that automagically today | 19:43 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: matt-o submitted a patchy? | 19:43 |
| clarkb | notmyname: wow we need this | 19:43 |
| clarkb | I will make my local en_au | 19:43 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on :-) | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #topic lwn article | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lwn.net/Articles/457667/ | 19:44 |
| notmyname | portante: this is something you brought up | 19:44 |
| notmyname | I haven't read it yet | 19:44 |
| notmyname | what's up? | 19:44 |
| mattoliverau | will do, and clarkb: do it, then move to Oz :) | 19:44 |
| notmyname | title is Ensuring data reaches disk | 19:44 |
| portante | the article goes over the steps need to sync data to disk | 19:45 |
| portante | I am poking at this because I don't believe we do what it recommends, and wanted to bring this to folks attention to review | 19:45 |
| notmyname | portante: ok. sounds like homework then :-) | 19:45 |
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| portante | In particular, a fsync() of the directory fd would be needed to ensure the renamed file on a PUT is properly persisted | 19:46 |
| notmyname | interesting | 19:46 |
| clayg | really? | 19:47 |
| portante | for account, container and object, all directory operations are not fsync'd if I remember the code and am still able to read the current code correctly. :) | 19:47 |
| notmyname | portante: ok, let's all go read it this week and compare it to what swift does (and submit patches as necessary) | 19:47 |
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| portante | the file system team at red hat sits across the hall from us on the performance team, so I can ask questions if necessary | 19:47 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:47 |
| portante | the article is nice in that is has the specific swift use case in it | 19:48 |
| zaitcev | For the context, we had a conversation with Ric Wheeler in attendance, and I mentioned the 0-byte files as supposed being equivalent of lost+found. Ric bristled at that. He said it's an old myth that has no ground in reality. | 19:48 |
| notmyname | #action go read http://lwn.net/Articles/457667/ and compare to what Swift is doing | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | portante: thanks for bringing it up | 19:49 |
| portante | welcome | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:49 |
| notmyname | I updated the priority reviews page | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | it now has a section at the top for things that IMO should land in the juno integrated release | 19:49 |
| notmyname | there's also another section for EC work (with the current blocker linked) | 19:50 |
| notmyname | cschwede will be looking at the keystone patch in the next day or so, so I think that's covered | 19:50 |
| notmyname | the other things I listed have to do with performance and with improvements to known issues or limitations with existing features | 19:50 |
| notmyname | eg improving global replication | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | also, seeing as many people end up using the integrated release and not the more frequent swift release, I also listed the config change to make bind_port explicit | 19:51 |
| mattoliverau | good move | 19:51 |
| notmyname | I'm sure other things will come up, but there are the ones that are currently open that I'd like to see land | 19:51 |
| notmyname | basically, we've got 4 weeks | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | if you have other things to add to that list, let me know and let's get them added | 19:53 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: how's your abandon script working this week? | 19:53 |
| mattoliverau | Good, I get BCC'd | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | I see that http://abandoner.oliver.net.au/abandoned_changes.html | 19:53 |
| zaitcev | I wasn't sure about making bind_port obligatory, but on second thought it's better than springing a new default port on people. | 19:53 |
| notmyname | I see that http://abandoner.oliver.net.au/abandoned_changes.html is empty | 19:53 |
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| mattoliverau | i reset the database when it went live, so the list will take 14 days to start populating | 19:54 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ya, that's the plan. to first make it explicit, then change the recommendation | 19:54 |
| zaitcev | Because the consequences are better linked to the change, easier to notice and correct. | 19:54 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah ok | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | we've got about 5 minutes left in the meeting. are there any specific patches (beyond the translation one) that we need to discuss this week? | 19:55 |
| mattoliverau | there is a bunch of changes what could be considered abaondoned but we'll give the owns 2 weeks to do something or nothing. | 19:55 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:55 |
| mattoliverau | now that they have been notified | 19:55 |
| notmyname | good | 19:55 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks everyone for coming | 19:56 |
| notmyname | see you next week | 19:56 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 3 19:56:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-03-19.02.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-03-19.02.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-03-19.02.log.html | 19:56 |
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