Wednesday, 2014-09-03

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JRobinson__OpenStack APAC docs meeting scheduled to begin in 10 minutes02:54
loquacitiesthanks JRobinson__ :)02:54
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loquacities#startmeeting docteam03:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  3 03:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'03:00
loquacities#topic Action items from the last meeting03:01
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loquacitiesannegentle to write spec for docs site redesign/experience design03:01
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loquacitiesannegentle: you there?03:01
dnavalehi everyone03:01
sldI'd love to see this... annegentle - can I see progress on this?03:01
* annegentle waves03:01
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loquacitieshi dnavale03:01
annegentleI have a draft, fifieldt and I need to meet to move forward on it03:02
loquacitiesok, the other one was Anne to ask Sam Harwell to add docs-core to the clouddocs-maven-plugin review team03:02
annegentlesld: what's your interest area?03:02
annegentlethat's done03:02
loquacitiesthought so03:02
loquacities#topic Blueprint reviews03:02
sldannegentle: the proposed solutions, timeframe,  etc... all of it. :)03:03
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loquacitiesso i assume that means we need to do some?03:03
sldBP reviews?03:03
sldthat's what I am thinking, based on that...03:04
sldannegentle:  ?03:04
loquacities(i read that as 'blood pressure reviews')03:04
dnavaleha ha03:04
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loquacitiesok, moving on03:05
loquacities#topic Networking Guide status03:05
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loquacitiesso i think that's still firmly in progress03:06
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sldyeah....needs a lot of work, but is in progress03:06
annegentlewe need to all agree to the spec03:06
loquacities#topic Website design and contributor experience status03:07
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loquacitiesdo you have an update on that annegentle?03:07
annegentleI talked to Tom at the Ops Meetup last week and he wants a longer conversation, so need to sync with him.03:07
loquacitiesok, cool03:08
loquacities#topic HOT Template Guide status03:08
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annegentlethe basic idea is to hire a contract designer to give us a page design (which would co-exist with book designs/experiences as well)03:08
loquacitiesyep, i think that was the status last i heard03:08
sld..and then we just split it into includes, and customize it accordingly?03:08
loquacitiessounds like the HOT guide is still ongoing?03:08
Sam-I-Amits hot03:09
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loquacities#topic API docs status03:10
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loquacitiesi have no insight into this one03:10
annegentlere: hot guide, was just looking into reviews, but don't see any03:11
annegentlere: API docs, just wanted to say I emailed all 21 PTLs with the plan to remove WADL references from the long-form documents and have no input03:11
annegentlethe networking API guide is particularly troublesome since it doesn't have complete WADL coverage and they have two LBaaS APIs03:12
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sld21? woah...didn't know there were that many.03:12
annegentleso the status is "slow"03:12
annegentlesld: yeah but not that many APIs03:12
loquacitiessounds about right03:12
loquacities#topic Doc tools status03:12
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loquacitiesmaven plugin update?03:13
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annegentleOh I was going to mention doc803:13
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loquacitiesoh, right03:14
annegentleit's a new separately installed tool03:14
loquacitiesgo ahead :)03:14
loquacitieswhat does it do?03:14
annegentleif you have current openstack-doc-tools installed you need to pip install pep8, if you're working on a fresh system, you'll get it through requirements (right Sam-I-Am?)03:14
Sam-I-Amthrow a lot of errors :)03:14
loquacitiesouch ><03:15
Sam-I-Amit'll build whenever you build tox stuff03:15
annegentleit helps with niceness (whitespace) and line length and matching python pep8 standards03:15
sldwhich is awesome.03:15
Sam-I-Amif you build it a while ago, rebuild03:15
Sam-I-Amotherwise it goes bork03:15
annegentlerebuild which?03:15
annegentleas for the maven plugin, I want a new release with those items I mentioned in the ML post, but don't have a delivery date from the team who can release it03:16
annegentlethat's all I can think of for tools03:17
Sam-I-Amannegentle: rebuild your tox... scripts?03:17
loquacitiesthanks :)03:17
loquacities#topic Doc bug day - 9 September03:17
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loquacitiesdon't forget!03:17
dnavalewill be there..03:18
loquacitiesah, thanks JRobinson__03:18
loquacitiesi just went to go looking for it ;)03:18
slda week from today.03:18
loquacitieslooks like we need more 'mentors' in that table, too03:18
annegentleyes thank you for reminding!03:18
* Sam-I-Am signs up for all 24 hours03:19
Sam-I-Amat this rate...03:19
loquacitiesthat's dedication, right there ...03:19
sldI can do some night hours, but not sure what to think of the table, since the time zone is all over the place there.03:19
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Sam-I-Amits utc time03:19
loquacitiesit's in UTC03:19
Sam-I-Amwe're -503:19
sldwhats with the eastern / central / etc... on there for then?03:20
loquacitiessld: is your friend03:20
loquacitiesthat's the working hours in that tz03:20
Sam-I-Amnot sure what that is for... maybe region coverage?03:20
loquacitieswhich is why you see my name in the 'australia' bits03:20
annegentleSam-I-Am: who to ask for help during those times03:20
sldso right now it is 3am utc?03:21
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loquacitiesyep, 3:2003:21
loquacitiesok, that's all i have on the agenda03:22
loquacities#topic Open discussion03:22
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sldn/m... i see you (loquacities) on a bunch of the hours i could help with... so no need to add me i guess, but i can help *additionally* for a lot of the same hours, if needed.03:22
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loquacitiesi don't think there's a limit of one person/hr03:22
sldhehe :)03:22
annegentlesld: yeah feel free to double up for sure03:22
loquacitiesso just add your name next to mine03:22
loquacitiesthat way we can cover for each other03:22
Sam-I-Amannegentle: i was just wondering about the third column. now i know :)03:22
Sam-I-Amand somehow i read it as 'timezone hangover'03:23
loquacitiesyou need more sleep, Sam-I-Am :P03:23
sldWRT Guides - I was talking to a trainer (here at RS) who is interested in putting a lot of work into these -
annegentlesld: cool03:23
loquacitiesoh, cool!03:23
JRobinson__RE: Opendiscussion - not sure if this was covered earlier in the API discussion, but does the Lbaas still need v1 and v2 wadls in the repo?03:23
annegentlesld: the training team is a separate team, somewhat "incubating" in the docs program03:23
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sldhe is out this week, but i'll email him next week to see how soon we can set him up as a contributor :)03:23
annegentleJRobinson__: yep... the v2 LBaaS needs to be marked "experimental" as of last week03:24
annegentlesld: cool. they have a training team meeting on Mondays at noon Central03:24
loquacitiesoh, we should probably mention summit too03:24
sldk. i'll let him know.03:24
loquacitieswho's going?03:24
JRobinson__annegentle, ok03:24
Sam-I-Amnot me!03:24
annegentleyeah summit! me.03:24
sldi wish i could!03:24
sldi want to so bad :(03:24
asettlesld, i'll pack you in my suitcase?03:24
loquacitiesi'll be there03:24
sldi wish03:25
Sam-I-Amsld: we can party it up in SA03:25
loquacitiesannegentle and i are giving a talk03:25
JRobinson__I'll be there03:25
sldlet me help, so i can go too. hehe03:25
loquacitiesand so is asettle03:25
asettleJRobinson__, you're coming to summit?!03:25
loquacitiesactually, asettle has two talks03:25
asettleYeah, the talk lord all of a sudden. Ha.03:26
loquacitiesJRobinson__: openstack summit03:26
Sam-I-Ami'm waiting for the stateside one03:26
dnavalewow.. way to go asettle :)03:26
JRobinson__sorry, was confused - will be in us in two weeks not OS summit03:26
asettlednavale, you say that now.03:26
JRobinson__all the meetings begin with "s" - summit, swarm, sprint03:26
asettleWe like to S it up03:26
asettleThat could be taken as 'we like to sit up' *chuckles to self*03:27
loquacitiesheh, ok, on that note, let's SUM it up03:27
loquacities(haha, i crack me up)03:27
asettleBetween the two of us dude :p03:27
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Sep  3 03:27:41 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)03:27
openstackMinutes (text):
asettleDo you think the US is ready for Lana and Alex?03:27
asettleARE THEY?03:27
asettleRuining the meeting logs03:27
asettleIt's like, every damn time.03:28
loquacitiesasettle: it's only coped with one of us at a time before ;)03:28
asettleThe shock03:28
sldwhen will you guys be here?03:28
asettleI will walk in, all floral and lipstick and they won't konw what to do. The floral, short, version of Lana emerged03:28
asettlesld, two weeks?03:28
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asettleIs it still blisteringly hot in Texas?03:29
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Sam-I-Amasettle: yes03:29
Sam-I-Amhotter than the surface of the sun03:29
Sam-I-Amafrican jungle hot03:29
asettleDon't make it sounds too great new03:30
sldupdated bugday wiki page03:30
asettlesld you sure know how to excite a room03:30
JRobinson__Sam-I-Am, lol surface of the sun03:30
loquacitiesheh, yeah, we may act alike, but no one would ever mistake me for you in person :P03:30
asettleNot really, no.03:31
asettleI'm at least two heads smaller03:31
loquacitiesand about half my width :P03:31
asettleNot quite.03:32
asettleI don't have pins for legs.03:32
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Sam-I-Am0900-1300z ... maybe thats me :/03:35
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pas-hahi all12:02
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asalkeldzaneb, ...12:02
pas-hawho's going to chair?12:02
skraynevhello all ;)12:02
asalkeldshould we start?12:03
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asalkeld#startmeeting Heat12:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  3 12:03:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)"12:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'12:03
asalkeldright haven't done this for ages12:03
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asalkeldshardy, o/12:04
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shardyHey guys, sorry, bit late12:04
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asalkeldI am just getting the agenda12:04
bgorskiyou are just in time12:04
ryansblog from last time:
skraynevryansb: thx :)12:05
asalkeld#topic review actions12:05
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KanagarajMi have topic to discuss for the review, could some one bring this to today's agenda12:05
shardyItem to add is probably review of J3 status, unless it's already been added12:05
asalkeldwere there any actions?12:05
ryansblooks like the only actions were12:05
ryansb1) stevebaker raise bugs for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack12:05
ryansband 2) review the mission statement
asalkeldnot sure steveb's around12:06
asalkeldeveryone had a look at the mission?12:06
ryansbright, this is the week it's at a ridiculous time for him12:06
asalkeldlet's move on12:06
asalkeld#topic new agenda items12:07
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asalkeldshardy, ...12:07
asalkeldlet's do that now12:07
shardyasalkeld: Yeah we should probably review
asalkeld#topic review juno-312:08
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asalkeldall your shardy12:08
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shardySo the two I spotted which probably need a status update:12:09
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asalkeldlooked quite risky12:09
shardyI looked at the reviews and neither looked like imminent merge candidates12:09
pas-hashardy, yes, i think I just nailed it. will post new patch asap12:09
shardypas-ha: Ok, cool, if you think it's ready, lets try to get it reviewed and gating asap12:10
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shardyasalkeld: I saw you had concerns re the patch update12:10
shardything we'll be deferring that one?12:10
asalkeldI don't know12:10
asalkeldI just not a big fan of it12:10
asalkeldbut if someone thinks it's ok12:10
asalkeldthen i don't mind12:11
asalkelddo we really need a bp for the funct. tests?12:11
asalkeldnot at all production effecting12:11
shardyasalkeld: I think it's just a way of tracking progress12:12
shardyso a BP is appropriate, but a spec is not12:12
shardy(IMO at least)12:12
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shardypas-ha: is anything blocking other than reviews?12:13
pas-hashardy, no12:13
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shardySame question re but I'm not sure tiantian is around12:14
shardyOk I guess that's all the BP's, are there any bugs there (or not targetted) which can't wait until RC1?12:15
shardywe have a couple of weeks after J3 to go into test/bugfix mode, so we will defer any bugs not fixed today until RC112:15
asalkeldthat's what rc's are for ?12:16
shardySo if you find a critical issue, please mark it as such and target it to J3, so we know it's a blocker12:16
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asalkeldshardy, how is your bp?12:16
shardyasalkeld: Yeah, but if possible, we don't want to release J3 with any known critical issues12:16
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shardyasalkeld: Better after your help, but I'm still working on the rest of the series12:16
asalkeldis says implemented, but i know better;)12:16
shardyasalkeld: It does?12:17
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shardyIt's Beta Available, deferred to RC1, pending a FFE12:17
asalkeldok, i was looking at nested12:17
shardyI'll try to get the patches in shape, then we can have a discussion about whether it makes sense to push for a FFE or just defer to Kilo12:18
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shardyasalkeld: Yeah list-nested is done (other than a heatclient patch, which isn't part of J3)12:18
shardyOk, anyone have anything else re J3 or the release process in general?12:18
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asalkeldmaybe a link, i should read up on it12:19
shardyok then, thanks all :)12:19
asalkeld#topic Can we have a grenade testing update12:19
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asalkeldi put this in12:19
shardyasalkeld: be PTL for a cycle, you'll soon get the hang of it :D12:19
shardyasalkeld: Ok, so I posted this patch $months ago:12:20
KanagarajMshardy: right now this bp targets only the nested stack, how about other resources and app-config,etc ?12:20
asalkeldshardy, so you and EmilienM are working on that grenade pathc12:20
shardyKanagarajM: You mean the decoupling BP?12:20
KanagarajMshardy: yes12:21
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asalkeldKanagarajM, let's keep on topic12:21
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shardyKanagarajM: well the config and deployment resources are already decoupled, because they're addressed via Rest calls to heat12:21
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shardyasalkeld: +112:21
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asalkeldKanagarajM, you wanted to talk about:
asalkeldi'll change topic12:22
shardyThe grenade thing, so we've been drip fed some reviews, and EmilienM has helped get it working12:22
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shardybut basically, I/we need help getting it actually merged12:22
EmilienMshardy: hey12:22
KanagarajMthis patch is summited for the cloumn name change and its been suggested to support 'zero downtime migration'12:22
shardyI've got limited experience with grenade, and don't really know how to push it further, given that so far I've failed to get it working locally at all12:22
KanagarajMright now no service support for  'zero down time migration' for this one.12:23
asalkeldthanks shardy12:23
asalkeldKanagarajM, we chatted about this in #heat12:23
asalkeldi said there:  seems like a cosmetic change really12:24
asalkeld and potentially effecting upgrades12:24
asalkeld we *really* need to plan how we are going to tell users to upgrade to minimise downtime12:24
asalkeld I think we need a summit session on how to achieve this12:24
asalkelddo others feel the same/different12:24
ryansb+1 (definitely worth a summit session)12:24
shardyasalkeld: I agree, and in the meantime, limiting disruptive non-functional migrations seems like a reasonable step12:24
asalkeldok, cool12:25
KanagarajMok, shall i summit for design session in K ?12:25
asalkeld#agreed limiting disruptive non-functional migrations seems like a reasonable step12:25
KanagarajMi will come with initial approach i have identified12:25
asalkeldKanagarajM, you/me/someone else12:25
asalkeldwe will get a session there12:25
asalkeldfor upgrades in general12:26
asalkeldKanagarajM, we can move on?12:26
KanagarajMok. i will update my findings and share you all .12:26
KanagarajMyes sure. THanks12:26
asalkeldany other topics?12:26
asalkeld#topic open discussion?12:26
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asalkeldfree for all12:26
BillArnold_we need this patch in keystone client
ryansbremember to review the mission statement if you haven't already
shardyBillArnold_: Is that a backwards-incompatible regression in the keystone API?12:27
shardyit sounded like it from the bug12:27
BillArnold_shardy y12:27
shardyAre they planning to fix the API, or just paper over it in the client?12:28
BillArnold_shardy i don't know, was investigating it enough yesterday to get some tests working again12:28
shardyBillArnold_: Ok cool, I'm glad we've solved the heat issue, just concerned about the wider issue of the API change12:29
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mspreitzshardy: right, this sounds like a serious botch12:29
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shardyit looked from the docs like keystone were doing minor version deprecations without any corresponding bump to the actual API version12:29
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shardywas looking for clarification as to whether that was actually the case12:30
ryansb(sad versioning trombone plays)12:30
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shardyanyway, probably a bit OT for here, I'll ask ayoung or jlennox later12:30
KanagarajM, keystone work with both region and region_id in juno for backward compatibility12:31
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asalkeld_sorry, flaky wifi12:31
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KanagarajMand i have patched it keystone for region and region_id. but its worth to make this change in the middleware as well in juno, though we have backward compatibility12:31
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asalkeld_all we all done, so fast? nothing else...12:33
unmeshgI would like to get comments regarding the approach for moving check calls to Observer
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unmeshgplease give it a look and leave comment if anything looks incorrect12:34
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asalkeld_unmeshg, i think after the releases are done we will all be very keen to look12:35
asalkeld_everyone is maybe a bit push for time atm12:35
asalkeld_shardy, anything else?12:36
shardyasalkeld_: not from me12:36
skraynevshardy: re, I thought about our idea with handling error for different versions12:36
skraynevok I will continue in #heat ;)12:37
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asalkeld_i think my new nick has no powers:(12:37
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPi15:04
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI15:05
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johnthetubaguyBobBall: howdy15:05
johnthetubaguy#topic CI15:05
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johnthetubaguyhows things going?15:05
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BobBallgoing OK15:06
BobBalltrying to upgrade to trusty ATM15:06
BobBallin a roundabout way to upgrade to 6G ram15:07
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johnthetubaguyhow does that help ram?15:07
johnthetubaguyjust killing two birds with one stone?15:07
johnthetubaguydid you get that devstack patch in that you wanted?15:07
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BobBallianw doesn't like it yet :)15:08
BobBallHopefully he'll respond to my comments and we can sort it out15:08
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BobBallanyway - as I said in PM DFW is a pain ATM15:08
BobBallso I've disabled it for now15:08
BobBallwe'll see how that goes15:08
BobBallso far so good15:08
BobBallmight want to add LON as another region once I've got trusty working15:09
BobBallmay as well, righT?15:09
johnthetubaguydifferent credentials15:09
johnthetubaguybut yeah, you could15:09
BobBallwhat about hkg?15:09
johnthetubaguySYD might be better, can't reemmber, buy yeah, either/both15:10
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johnthetubaguyprobably with less machines than DFW, ideally15:10
BobBall /all :)15:10
johnthetubaguyanyways, memory still an issue I guess?15:10
BobBallwell if I can spread it it's better15:10
BobBallI'm not seeing failures15:11
BobBallbut I am still seeing significant swap usage15:11
johnthetubaguyOK, thats a step forward15:11
johnthetubaguyI guess reducing the swap we should see reduction in times, so sounds worth it15:11
johnthetubaguyany other related stuff cropping up?15:12
BobBallnah - think we're good on that score15:12
BobBallas long as we can get the devstack patch in15:12
BobBallI hope they don't want me to add local.conf support to d-g as I suspect I don't have time for that ATM...15:12
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johnthetubaguywell, it might be the right answer, but I get what you mean15:13
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johnthetubaguycan you just cat out the file you need in the bit of shell thats in there for now?15:13
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johnthetubaguywell, I thought there was some shell script that ran inside the vm15:14
johnthetubaguypasses the vairables to devstack15:15
johnthetubaguywondered if you could just cat out the local.conf you want in there15:15
BobBallyes - all through d-g and localrc15:15
johnthetubaguybefore calling devstack15:15
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion15:16
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BobBallHow's the vhd bug going?15:16
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?15:16
johnthetubaguyjuno-3 today15:16
johnthetubaguyI don't remember15:16
BobBallLast I saw there was a -1 on it15:17
BobBallasking you to make a small change to log things?15:17
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johnthetubaguyoh yeah, I need to do that15:17
johnthetubaguysnowed under with juno-3 right now15:17
johnthetubaguymoving around other peoples patches and blueprint status, sigh15:17
johnthetubaguyand ptl is in a plane, I think15:18
johnthetubaguybut anyways15:18
johnthetubaguyyeah, need to chase down that patch, and a few others15:18
johnthetubaguya few bugs that would be good to get into juno, just in case someone wants to use that15:18
johnthetubaguyanything else?15:18
BobBallnot from me15:19
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johnthetubaguycool, thanks15:20
johnthetubaguylets keep it short15:20
johnthetubaguywhile I go back to juno-3 stuff15:20
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johnthetubaguyThank you!15:20
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e0nehi all!16:01
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jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:01
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jgriffithhola everybody16:01
avishayhello all16:02
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jgriffithso just a few things to start....16:02
jgriffith#topic J316:02
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jgriffithWe went ahead and set the whels in motion to tag J3 this morning16:02
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jgriffithThere were two SMB patches granted exceptions that we'll focus on when RC1 opens16:03
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jgriffithWe shouldn't approve anything new after this point16:03
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jgriffithkeep the J3 target map clean16:03
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hemnaso the incremental backups patch is out then?16:04
jgriffith#topic folks requesting exceptions for drivers16:04
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jgriffithhemna: yes16:04
hemnaI'll -2 it now then.16:04
Murali__Can you add comments16:04
e0nejgriffith which bugs priority will be acceptable after j3?16:04
Murali__on the patch so I can address them16:04
jungleboyj_Sorry, my client died.16:04
jgriffithMurali__: I'll explain in a sec16:04
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jungleboyj_So, even the items in flight are getting -2'd now?16:04
jgriffithe0ne: bugs are always allowed to be fixed for the most part16:04
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xyang1jgriffith: question for you.  Is the driver implemenation of CG considered a bug fix or feature?  Is it too late to merge that?16:05
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jgriffitheverybody please wait a second16:05
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jgriffithyou can't all ask me questions at once about different topics :)16:05
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jgriffithThere are two drivers that were in process16:05
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jgriffithrhe00_: had an X-IO driver16:05
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jgriffithand joa with his scality driver16:06
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hemnajgriffith, I just -2'd his driver because he doesn't have any cert logs, FYI.16:07
jgriffithI'd like to get input from other core memebers16:07
jgriffithhemna: which ?16:07
hemnajgriffith, joa's scality rest block driver16:07
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jgriffithhemna: k16:07
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jgriffithanybody have any input on these two, other than what hemna just pointed out on Scality driver?16:07
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jungleboyj_jgriffith: I need to look at the Scality driver.16:08
hemnaI think eharney had issues with the SMB driver breaking the nfs driver16:08
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jungleboyj_I had reviewed the X-IO one before I believe.16:08
hemnadid that get ironed out?16:08
jgriffithso I think maybe I'm not being clear......16:08
eharneyhemna: that was fixed16:08
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jgriffithdo we want to do exceptions for these?16:08
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DuncanTSMB driver had enough +2s to merge but we held off to get final signoff from Eric16:08
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hemnaeharney, ok cool.16:08
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DuncanTI'd support that one getting an exception16:08
jgriffithwow... that was awesome16:09
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jungleboyj_DuncanT: I am ok with that if eharney is ok with it.16:09
hemnaI'd be ok with the SMB driver.  it's waiting on jenkins currently16:09
jgriffithFYI the SMB patches already have an exception16:09
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eharneyyes, i am16:09
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jgriffithI'm specifically asking aobut the two drivers16:10
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jgriffithXIO and Scality16:10
hemnaso exceptions for X-IO and scality?16:10
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jgriffithhemna: yes, that's the question on the table16:10
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eharneyX-IO appears to have had virtually no review so hard to say16:10
hemnaXIO at least has driver cert results16:10
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jgriffithhemna: +116:10
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DuncanTScality I'm told has been running cert runs, haven't seen the results posted though16:11
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thingee_hey all16:11
jgriffithI'm surprised joa isn't ehre16:11
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bswartzfreenode is having problems16:11
bswartzmy client keeps dropping16:11
hemnaI don't see any core reviews on X-IO yet16:12
rhe00_rhe00 is here for X-IO, and I'm hoping for an exception. :)16:12
jungleboyj_hemna: Where is that review?16:12
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hemnathe driver was submitted Aug 21.  feature freeze date16:12
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jungleboyj_hemna: Thanks.  Doh, I guess I hadn't looked at that one.16:13
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jgriffithso general thoughts on exceptions for drivers?16:14
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DuncanTX-IO was very late and has had almost no reviews, I think we punt it16:14
hemnaI think X-IO was too late16:14
hemnaand no real reviews16:14
jgriffithDuncanT: thank you for voicing an opinion16:14
jgriffithhemna: ditto16:14
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jungleboyj_I think that seems logical DuncanT16:14
rushiagrI missed seeing that review too..16:15
jgriffithOk, so shall we punt on both of them?16:15
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Wasn't scality further along in the process?16:15
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jgriffithjungleboyj_: well, depends on how you define "further along" :)16:16
hemnaok doing a quick review on the X-IO driver, I see problems with it.16:16
hemnasoren, I vote no on it for Juno16:16
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jungleboyj_jgriffith: :-)16:16
DuncanTWhile feeling sorry for Joa, I vote to punt that one too16:16
hemna*Sigh*  s/soren/so16:16
eharneydid the scality one get much feedback other than name debates?16:16
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jgriffithOK... anybody from core want to champion one of them?16:16
jgriffithif not we'll punt I think16:16
hemnajoa has at least been active recently trying to get feedback16:16
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DuncanTeharney: There's been a fair bit of discussion on their snapshot approach, but no actual problems found16:17
jungleboyj_hemna: That is my concern.16:17
jgriffithHonestly I don't have a problem if people want to review and work on it16:17
jgriffithmake a decision next week16:17
eharneyDuncanT: yeah I've looked at it a bit but can't gauge how close it is16:17
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hemnaI'd be ok with giving the scality driver a bit more time.16:17
jgriffithok, let's review the code16:17
hemnaget those cert logs up today16:17
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hemnaand review the code16:18
jgriffithdepending on what happens in the next 24 hours I'll make a call16:18
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Lets get reviews on scality and SMB.16:18
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Punt XIO.16:18
DuncanTjungleboyj_: +216:18
hemnaX-IO should be out IMHO.16:18
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eharneysounds good16:18
thingeejgriffith: I'm back from burning man, so I can pitch in ;)16:18
rhe00_then can I please get it marked for the next release?16:18
jgriffithrhe00_: absolutely16:18
rhe00_so I don't miss that train as well16:18
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jgriffithOk, scality is in16:19
jgriffithlet's move on16:19
rhe00_already missed icehouse with a narrow margin and then fumbled for Juno16:19
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jgriffith#topic moving brick out of cinder16:19
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jgriffitheOne isn't here :(16:19
e0nee0ne ;(16:19
jgriffithahh... there you are16:19
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e0nei hope Emma and Ben are here too16:20
jgriffithso... short and sweet16:20
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jgriffithbut currently there's little value16:20
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jgriffithI'd say we have to work out solving the "real" problem16:20
jgriffiththe LVM code inparticular as is is not ready or good16:21
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e0nestackforge is much easier. it could be moved to oslo later16:21
DuncanTThere are multiple 'real' problems16:21
jgriffithso I'd like to regroup on this later TBH16:21
hemnajgriffith, you want to do this for Juno ?16:21
jgriffithit's not well thought out, and there's still no movement on what we actually want here16:21
jgriffithhemna: huh?  Helll noooo16:21
hemnaok :)16:22
jgriffithlet's discuss this after we get Juno under our belt16:22
bswartzIsn't one of the real problems that cinder and nova have different implementations of the same code (i.e. how to attach to stuff that cinder creates)?16:22
eharneyi think that sounds like a good plan... i'm glad this is being discussed but it's not clear what the basic ideas are16:22
jgriffithI think there's still a lot of misconception and lack of focus here16:22
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hemnaI think there is value on having something outside of cinder that handles LUN discovery (a la brick connectors)16:22
jgriffitheharney: :)16:22
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jgriffithe0ne: let's sync up later16:23
e0nejgriffith: you decided that Ban will be responsible  for moving it from Cinder16:23
jgriffithe0ne: I'll give you the ugly history16:23
e0nee0ne: ok16:23
jgriffithe0ne: huh?16:23
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hemnaI guess the decision is do we want an agent that cinder/nova can talk to that does this, or just a library (brick) ?16:23
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hemnaI think the agent makes more sense long term IMO16:24
DuncanTagent, but it is a hard thing to design16:24
hemnaand the agent needs a concrete API that cinder/nova can talk to16:24
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hemnaand then get buy off from Nova16:24
bswartzso brick is dead, long live cinder-agent?16:24
xyang1hemna: there was a nova-spec on this, I think16:24
jgriffithbswartz: that's what brick was supposed to be16:24
hemnabswartz, well it's not dead yet...16:25
jgriffithlet's move on16:25
DuncanTbswartz: Brick is a library that has many useful bits for building the agent16:25
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hemnaDuncanT, +116:25
jgriffithwe have higher priorities right now16:25
jgriffith#topic Cinder CI tests and FC16:25
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bswartzyeah sorry for the hyperbole -- I think I get the gist and I have no disagreement16:25
jgriffithbswartz: :)16:25
hemnamaybe we can start small and just have the simple agent that does the LUN discover and report back.16:25
jgriffithasselin__: has pass-through FC working16:26
DuncanThemna: Probably best to write a spec and we can discuss it then?16:26
hemnaDuncanT, agreed16:26
jgriffithgood job asselin__16:26
xyang1asselin__: great!16:26
jgriffith#topic cut off dates for Kilo16:26
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e0neasselin__ congrats!16:26
jgriffithasselin__: oh.. you're here16:26
jgriffithasselin__: anything inparticular you want to share here?16:26
hemnahe was just missing the FC drivers on the blade yesterday and then everything fell into place16:27
asselin__well I got it working yesterday. Lots of credit to hemna and Rahul Verma (our summer intern)16:27
xyang1asselin__: we should try this soon.  thanks!16:27
asselin__it's been running overnight, but there are some stability problems. Not sure if it's related to FC or not.16:27
asselin__the scripts are in my github repo. Link is in the meeting minutes.16:28
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xyang1asselin__: how many commits can your CI handle in a day?16:28
asselin__so it'd be good for others to try out.16:29
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asselin__xyang1, we're limited to 1 job at a time now. So about 24/day is a good guess.16:30
xyang1asselin__: thanks.  good to know16:30
hemna1 job per node at any time16:30
asselin__1 job = 1 driver. We have 3 drviers, so 3 jobs simultaneously.16:30
hemnadue to FC passthrough16:30
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asselin__right, we do 1 fc job at a time, 1 iscsi job at a time, and 1 other iscsi job that doesn't require a 2nd eth16:31
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asselin__so, please try it out. let me know what works or not. bug fixes are appreciated.16:32
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asselin__documentation is still poor, so do your best and ask me questions.16:33
asselin__poor -> non-existent16:33
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asselin__that's it, unless anyone has questions, or freenode is having issues.16:34
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jgriffithOk.. thanks asselin__16:34
jgriffithback to cut-off dates16:34
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Thanks.16:35
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Just wanted to nail down what is expected for Kilo.16:35
jungleboyj_No drivers after Kilo1?16:35
jgriffithjungleboyj_: I'm good with that16:35
jgriffithI think avishay would like to say "NO new drivers."16:35
avishayjgriffith: :)16:36
jungleboyj_jgriffith: Well, we already have some deferred.  ;-)16:36
jgriffithbut I think K1 is a good compromise16:36
rhe00_so when is Kilo1?16:36
hemnajungleboyj_, +116:36
jgriffithjungleboyj_: yup16:36
jgriffithrhe00_: don't know yet16:36
hemnaI think we wanted to target Kilo for stabilization no?16:36
avishayjgriffith: i think drivers are less harmful...i'd like to see less new features16:36
xyang1jgriffith: ok, good to know.  we'll target k-1:)16:36
jungleboyj_jgriffith: How about adding support for features into drivers?16:36
jgriffithrhe00_: will likely be around Dec16:36
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bswartzKilo will be early december most likely16:36
rushiagrI like the idea of K1. We're not saying 'no' to drivers, and also we're ensuring we've good amount of time for stabilizing/improving cinder16:36
bswartzDecember 5 is my bet16:37
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eharneyjungleboyj_: i'm not sure it's reasonable to restrict adding support for features into drivers16:37
jgriffithOk, anybody object to running with that for the K release?16:37
jgriffitheharney: we'll get to that next :)16:37
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jungleboyj_jgriffith: Works for me.16:37
jgriffithok.. going once?16:37
avishayjgriffith: +816:37
eharneyi'll say i'm +0 on the k-1 driver limit16:37
jgriffithspeak now or don't wine to me in 2 months16:37
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jgriffitheharney: fair enough16:37
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xyang1jgriffith: I found the dates always keep moving:)16:38
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jgriffithxyang1: indeed they do16:38
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jungleboyj_xyang1: If we set them earlier they won't move out so far.16:38
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hemnajgriffith, +1 on drivers at K1.16:38
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DuncanT+1 from me too16:38
jgriffithxyang1: the idea is we'd like to have a release where we spend more of our efforts on the core project and stability16:38
rhe00_why would you want to prevent new drivers?16:38
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xyang1jgriffith: understand16:38
jgriffithrhe00_: we don't want to prevent them16:38
rhe00_ok, that's what it sounded like16:39
DuncanTCan we put a big, loud, clear statement on the mailing list today, so that people can't say they didn't know? (I'll send it, and a reminder at summit time)16:39
jgriffithrhe00_: but adding a dozen drivers in the last milestone of every release sucks16:39
hemnarhe00_, they just need to be in by K1.16:39
hemnaDuncanT, +216:39
jgriffithrhe00_: we'd at least like to have them submitted early16:39
jungleboyj_rhe00_: We want to focus on other reviews and fixes.16:39
jgriffithrather than at the last minutes16:39
DuncanTrhe00_: New drivers suck up review time like crazy16:39
rhe00_ok, understood.16:39
jgriffithbecause we all know there's no better time than the last minute16:39
jgriffith#topic no new driver features16:39
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jgriffithI'm certainly not a proponent of that16:40
DuncanT#action Duncan to go advertise this decision on the mailing list16:40
eharneyi don't think this one makes sense unless there's something i'm missing16:40
jgriffithjungleboyj_: are you saying you'd propose that?16:40
DuncanTI think we want /more/ drivers to fix up missing features, not fewer16:40
hemnaeharney, +116:40
jgriffitheharney: doesn't make sense to me either, but jungleboyj_ posted it16:40
rhe00_DuncanT: +116:40
hemnafor Kilo, we'll have several things we need to get in for our drivers now that some new stuff landed in J.16:41
jungleboyj_jgriffith: No, just wanted to make sure the expected dates are documented.16:41
jgriffithDuncanT: agreed... still waiting for jungleboyj_ to say something16:41
hemnaexisting drivers should always be allowed to update to support cinder features IMO.16:41
jungleboyj_So, K3 for new driver features being proposed still?16:41
jgriffithjungleboyj_: well that's not an expectation, and I fear now it will just cause confusion :(16:41
xyang1hemna: +116:41
mtaninoDuncanT: +116:41
DuncanThemna: Not necessarily after feature freeze - testing and stabilisation takes time16:41
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eharneyjungleboyj_: i think so, because some driver features are fairly small and there isn't really a reason to block them as a whole16:41
hemnaDuncanT, sure that goes w/o saying I thinks.16:41
thingeeDuncanT, jgriffith: can we get an etherpad list of the drivers to still review through for this release?16:42
jgriffithjungleboyj_: I don't think we need more beuarocracy16:42
jgriffithie dates for *everything*16:42
avishayi agree, drivers should be able to enable features16:42
hemnathingee, I think it's only the scality driver now16:42
jgriffiththingee: there's only 316:42
hemnathingee, X-IO is out16:42
jgriffiththingee: SMB and Scality Block Driver16:42
jgriffithSMB has two patches16:42
rhe00_but you can still review it. :)16:42
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jungleboyj_jgriffith: Ok ... So, nothing that needs to be documented there.  Forget that I worried about it.16:42
jgriffithrhe00_: yes... sorry :)16:42
jgriffithjungleboyj_: :)16:42
eharneyjungleboyj_: i think it's assumed to be part of the feature freeze16:42
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jgriffiththe bigger question.....16:43
eharneyer never mind, read that wrong16:43
thingeejgriffith: I reup'd the datera driver. no changes except rebase and regenerate config
DuncanTI think it might be worth making clear here that we mean no problem with drivers implementing their bit of existing cinder features16:43
jgriffith#topic new features in Kilo16:43
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jungleboyj_eharney: jgriffith Thanks!16:43
DuncanTRather than crazy new features16:43
jgriffithDuncanT: fair enough16:43
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hemnaDuncanT, do you have the etherpad URL for the Kilo stabilization items?16:43
jgriffithfrankly if people want to optimize their drivers, add internal things etc that's fine by me16:43
jgriffithmake your driver better16:43
jgriffithso there's different thoughts on Kilo16:44
hemnawe actually went through that list here and are trying to see how much we can contribute to them for Kilo.16:44
hemnawe might try and take on some of them.16:44
jgriffiththe question that have come up:16:44
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hemnaDuncanT, thanks16:44
jgriffith1. Should we just cease introducing ANY new features in Kilo16:44
jgriffith2. Should we allow limited new features, and if so up until what milestone?16:44
DuncanT-1 on no new features at all, things like differential backup I want ot see in16:45
jgriffith3. If we do a 'stability' release like this, willl people actually participate/contribute?16:45
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DuncanTNo new features that don't have PoC code before the summit?16:45
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hemna3. YES!  :)16:45
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jgriffithhemna: I know you will :)16:45
jgriffithso I don't like option 1 myself16:45
DuncanT3. Yes from us (the other bit of HP)16:45
jgriffithI prefer option 216:46
hemnajgriffith, +2 on 2.16:46
jgriffith3 will take care of itself so whatever16:46
kmartinI like #216:46
xyang1#2 is good.  We just need to come up with a date16:46
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jgriffithI don't know how I feeel about the no new features that don't have POC code at summit16:46
jungleboyj_jgriffith: +2 seems reasonable?  Do we set K1 again?16:46
kmartinthat came out wron=g :)  I prefer option 216:46
jgriffithI DO say no summit sessions for features without POC code16:46
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jungleboyj_kmartin: Thanks, I needed a laugh!16:47
jgriffithAs far as cutting off features....16:47
rushiagr+1 for #216:47
avishayjgriffith: sounds good to me, and any new feature should comply with the stabalization code - no submitting code that needs immediate cleanup16:47
jgriffithFirst, I'd like to be VERY picky and selective about features16:47
jgriffithavishay: +116:47
hemnakmartin, #1 go take a #216:47
DuncanTavishay: +16:47
jungleboyj_Who does #2 work for?16:48
jgriffithI'd propose that we're very picky about any new features being proposed.  There needs to be a very clear benefit and win for Cinder16:48
kmartinend of K2, and they must be merged by then not just submitted16:48
jgriffithand not just "vendor xyz would like to support abc"16:48
jgriffithkmartin: I think that seems reasonable16:48
DuncanTThe only feature I want to see is differential backup, and that should be merged before K1 hopefully16:48
jgriffithThat gives an entire milestone for testing and stability improvements16:49
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hemnaI things like multi-attach are a bit tricky, because it involves nova more than anything.16:49
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jgriffithDuncanT: I know I know.. you want differential backups :)16:49
jungleboyj_kmartin: +216:49
hemnabut I like the by K2 target.16:49
Murali__I am with Duncan :)16:49
jgriffithdoes anybody disagree with limited features and cut off being K2?16:49
jgriffithMurali__: I'm with both of you :)16:49
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eharneyi'm wary it will get in the way of smaller things that could go into K-3 without much issue16:50
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eharneyfor large cinder-wide features, sure16:50
jgriffitheharney: valid point16:50
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thingeeeharney: +116:50
DuncanTeharney: We want it to get in the way - we want to push people towards working on testing, stabilisation, correctness, docs etc16:50
jgriffithso here's the thing... for me at least; I'm not a fan of strict black and white rules16:51
jgriffithI'm thinking more of guidelines here16:51
eharneyDuncanT: it's not really obvious to me that will be the outcome16:51
eharneyDuncanT: people may just work on their features shooting for M-1 instead16:51
bswartzrules are made to be broken16:51
hemnajgriffith, +1 there should be a case by case exception if possible.16:51
jgriffithI think that introducing rigid rules causes more harm than good16:51
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hemnaor we'll turn into nova.16:51
eharneyer, L-116:51
hemnathe project of no.16:51
smcginnisjgriffith: +116:51
eharneyhemna: agreed16:51
DuncanTeharney: That is always a risk, hopefully their feature will be better tested by then at the least16:51
jgriffithOk, so let's call these things "Guidelines"16:51
jgriffithand "Goals"16:52
DuncanThema: +116:52
jgriffith1. New drivers submitted by K116:52
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jgriffith2. New features are limited and ideally merged by K216:52
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jgriffith3. K3 is dedicated to stability and bug fixing16:53
avishay2. ...and POC at summit ?16:53
jgriffith4. or course item 3 applies to all milestones16:53
eharneyif a new feature lands in K-2 that involves driver enablement, we might want K-3 to get it supported in drivers...16:53
jgriffith5. POC required for any summit session related to new features16:53
DuncanTPoC at summit for all summit sessions?16:53
jgriffitheharney: yeah, that's always a "special" case IMO16:53
kmartinwhy do we have two #2's ?16:54
jgriffithkmartin: because avishay added another one :)16:54
eharneyjgriffith: yeah but we have to write these special cases down if we're going to list all these guidelines :)16:54
eharneyotherwise nobody can figure out what's going on16:54
jgriffitheharney: agreed16:54
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hemnakmartin, didn't you know that 2 was after 2 and before 3?16:54
kmartinI like the guidelines they are clear and to the point, +116:54
hemnajgriffith, yah awesome job.   +2!16:54
avishaysounds good to me16:54
jgriffithOk, everybody good with those 5 items as guidelines for Kilo?16:54
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jgriffithanything that should be added?16:55
xyang1sounds good16:55
jungleboyj_jgriffith: +216:55
jgriffith#action jgriffith to add these guidelines to the wiki page16:55
avishayjgriffith: and ML?16:55
xyang1jgriffith: what is the requirement for CI on the drivers?16:55
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avishaygotta run, bye all16:55
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jgriffithavishay: DuncanT already stated he took an action item to post to ML16:55
jgriffithI'll leave that one to him16:55
DuncanTNot a problem16:56
jgriffithxyang1: I'm glad you asked :)16:56
jgriffith#topic third party CI16:56
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eharneyyes please make sure that thoughts on CI in Kilo get written down somewhere solid as well16:56
* DuncanT is highly disappointed no to see more systems posting by now16:56
jgriffithso first let's talk about the rest of Juno16:56
jgriffithI still expect to see people getting this up and running before we close out16:57
jgriffithIf you remember I had different views on this at the summit16:57
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jgriffithbut the bottom line is what we have sucks16:58
jgriffithall the way around16:58
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jgriffithand I'm sorry, not to offend anybody, but putting up somethign that doesn't work is worse than not putting something up at all16:58
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jgriffiththis whole approach isn't working for me quite frankly16:58
kmartinjgriffith: now the FC passthough is working we can focus on stability, no more excuses for us16:58
smcginnisjgriffith: I think part of the problem is not having a good clear direction on HOW to set up the CI.16:59
jgriffithkmartin: but my point is and has been... you shouldn't be voting if you're not stable16:59
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jgriffithand if your system doesn't publish results16:59
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rhe00_wouldn't it be possible to "clone" an environment that works instead of having every single vendor go through all the gotchas on their own?  a VM or something?16:59
jgriffithI've had a CI system running for weeks, but I'm not voting because I was having intermittent failures16:59
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jgriffithrhe00_: there are LOTS of options16:59
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jgriffithrhe00_: DuncanT has his KISS_CI16:59
hemnaI don't think anyone has 3rd party CI voting yet?16:59
jgriffithrhe00_: I have my version of it using ansible17:00
jgriffithasselin__: has Jenkins17:00
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jgriffithxyang1: has Jenkins as well17:00
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hemnaI think it might help if we posted a wiki/blog about setups for the different approaches.17:00
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jgriffithBottom line is with the exception of a few most have just ignored third party CI requirements17:01
jgriffithhemna: fair enough17:01
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hemnajgriffith, time17:01
tjoneshi guys - almost done?17:01
jgriffithhemna: I'll write up mine this week and get it published to my blog and share it17:01
jgriffithOk... let's head over to cinder channel17:01
jgriffith#endmeeting cinder17:01
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jgriffithtjones: all yours...s orry17:01
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tjoneshi folks - who's here today?17:02
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* mdbooth_home is vaguely present17:03
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tjonesso featyre freeze is basically today17:04
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tjonestoo bad i can't spell it17:04
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tjonesoslo.vmware and spawn refactor are soooo close.17:04
mdbooth_homeoslo.vmware is in17:05
mdbooth_homespawn refactor is bouncing in the gate17:05
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tjonescloser than i thought17:05
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mdbooth_homeExcept for the last patch, which is complicated17:05
mdbooth_homeand currently rejected17:05
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mdbooth_homeWe're going to have to ask for a FFE17:05
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tjonesmdbooth_home: do you have the link handy?17:05
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vuilI asked john about it.17:06
vuiloh hi, was speaking to someone17:06
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vuilI will split up the patch into two, then we can ask for ffe in the ML17:06
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vuilthank for the help btw matt17:06
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mdbooth_homevuil: I already split the tests out17:06
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vuiloh cool, was looking at a stale page then.17:07
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tjonesok lets talk about what else we would like to ask for FFE.  Other things that missed are ova, ephemeral disk, vsan, spbm17:07
vuilmatt: you have any leads for two more core sponsors? I'd imagine we have John as one17:07
tjoneswe also have 64 open bugs17:07
tjonesim saying that cause i would really like us to take some bug fixing time too17:08
vuilhow much time do we have for bug-fixin again?17:08
mdbooth_homevuil: None specifically, I'm afraid.17:08
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tjones2 weeks to RC17:09
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tjonesso we have john as sponsor for the remaining spawn refactor. we need one more17:10
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vuiltwo more I think17:10
mdbooth_homeAre we going to try to get the test changes in, too?17:10
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mdbooth_homeTo be fair, it wasn't immediately obvious to me what the test changes were doing, either17:10
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mdbooth_homevuil: I haven't actually submitted the tests as a separate patch yet, btw, as I wanted to talk to you first17:11
vuilI can take another pass at them17:12
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vuilyeah let's talk afterwards17:12
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mdbooth_homeSo, what's the regular mechanism for begging for core sponsors?17:13
tjonesok - so the remaining spawn refactor patch we want FFE for ( and we have 1 core sponsor only  - correct?17:13
vuilI have no idea, its a first for me17:13
mdbooth_hometjones: Unless vuil thinks we need to include the tests too, yes17:13
tjoneswell…  what we have done in the past is just ask people that have been reviewing it17:13
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mdbooth_homeThat would be johnthetubaguy and jaypipes17:14
vuilmaybe next best thing is to ping folks who have been reviewing the earlier items in the series17:14
vuillike brian elliot and daniel b17:14
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mdbooth_homebelliot has also been very helpful with reviews17:15
tjonesok who is going to do that?17:15
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mdbooth_homePost to the mailing list?17:15
tjonescould do that and ask them on irc17:15
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vuillet me work out between matt and I, on what to add with the tests.17:15
tjonesok thanks17:15
vuilthen we ping them on irc first17:16
tjonesso thoughts on the other ones that did not get in?17:16
mdbooth_homeephemeral disks has been around since forever, and is pretty simple17:16
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tjonesyes even before i started working on this project ;-)17:16
mdbooth_homeI didn't bother rebasing it the other day, though, because it looked unlikely to make it17:17
vuilyeah and it follows right after the refactor chain which we are asking ffe for, so that's a good candidate17:17
mdbooth_homejohnthetubaguy seems positive on getting that in, though17:18
vuilvsan/streamoptimized has been around for the longest time, it has the misfortune of depending on both the oslo.vmware and the refactoring being done, so alas...17:18
mdbooth_homevuil: Does it have good karma?17:19
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tjonesvuil: thoughts on focusing on them for k-1?  spawn is a very clear FFE.  for ephemeral - garyk can you change the commit message to somethings that makes it clear this is needed for driver consistency?17:20
vuilmdbooth: no not quite, but that was mostly because we could not post updated versions of it easily without either one of those landing17:20
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mdbooth_homevuil: Yeah, sounds like we should give up on it for J.17:21
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vuilsadly yeah. now that oslo.vmware integration lands, at least I can update and post them without any hack dependencies17:22
tjonesgetting that and refactor in will make our lives so much easier in k17:22
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mdbooth_homeThere are a few more from oslo.vmware which currently have -2s17:22
vuilspbm stuff?17:23
mdbooth_homeThat's before spbm17:23
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mdbooth_homeIt's another disruptive refactor patch, though17:23
vuilwhich is kinda what I said to gary as well.17:24
vuilI tried to rebase the refactor stuff on top of it, half dozen conflicts or so17:24
mdbooth_homeIt's looking a bit ignored, unfortunately17:25
vuilnone too bad, but it does mean score reset and what not17:25
mdbooth_homeIncidentally, all patches currently in the gate remain at risk for J-317:25
mdbooth_homeBasically, if the small gods of the gate decide not to favour us, they won't make it17:26
mdbooth_homeCould somebody in the appropriate TZ please babysit them overnight?17:26
mdbooth_homeWell, my overnight17:26
mdbooth_homeYour daytime :)17:26
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vuilI hope those will be safer candidates for ffe should it come to that.17:26
vuilyeah those gods have not been to kind the last 24 hours.17:27
tjonesi don't see anything under the oslo umbrella17:27
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vuilmdbooth: sure I will keep tabs, probably nothing more we can do with them apart from reverify if we see hiccups right17:28
tjonesso - the plan is to ask for FFE on spawn refactor and for garyk to work with john to get ephemeral in as a bug fix.  I think that's the best we can do.  thoughts on this?17:28
mdbooth_homeyeah, that's all I think we can do17:28
mdbooth_hometjones: +117:29
mdbooth_homeAs for the gate, the job queue is huge17:29
mdbooth_homeGiven it's a series, the chances of them all getting through are practically zero17:30
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mdbooth_homeIf that's going to require a FFE, we should prepare for that17:30
mdbooth_homebecause it's inevitable17:30
vuilmdbooth: so you suggest wait and see what gate spits back before asking?17:31
mdbooth_homeI think we should pound on the gate anyway17:31
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mdbooth_homeBut prepare for disappointment17:31
mdbooth_homeWait for the -2s17:31
mdbooth_homeWhich will come tomorrow, I guess17:31
tjonesyeah - so everyone please babysit the patches and we'll see tomorrow17:32
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tjonesanything else to discuss?17:32
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mdbooth_homeNot here17:33
vuilnot for me17:34
tjonesok great - have 1/2 hour back :-)17:34
tjonestalk to you guys later17:34
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notmynameswift team meeting time19:02
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:02
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notmynamehello everyone19:02
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?19:02
peluseand my bank account # is...19:02
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notmyname^ agenda for today19:03
notmyname#topic general stuff19:03
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* torgomatic is here for about 15 minutes19:03
notmynametorgomatic: well, then let's go fast :-)19:04
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notmynamewhy can't I ever find the link to the hackathon? I need to bookmark it19:04
notmynamepoint is, if you're going, please register19:05
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notmynamewe've talked about this a lot in previous weeks, so not much to cover. if you have questions, ask tdasilva or myself19:06
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notmynamenext up..paris19:06
notmynamethe conference sessions have been scheduled now19:06
notmynameif you submitted a talk, you should have heard if it was accepted or not19:06
notmynamethat is for the conference part, not the technical sessions19:06
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notmynameso, on the topic of the technical sessions19:06
notmynameI'm not sure what's going on with that this time. we have more programs and less space, and there's been a long thread ont he ML about how to organize it19:07
notmynameI believe the technical sessions will try to emphasize cross-project things19:07
notmynameand we should know soon how the scheduling will work. I think it will be different thant he webapp we've used in the past19:08
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notmynameso what I'm trying to say is that something will be happening. but I don't know what yet.19:08
notmynameI believe there will be some time set aside to specifically discuss some of the gap analysis things that we've talked about19:09
notmynameand if you are there I'd very much appreciate your participating in that sessions19:09
pelusefor sure19:10
notmynameare there any questions about the paris summit?19:10
notmynamein other news, 2.1.0 final was cut on monday19:10
notmynamethanks everyone for your work on it19:11
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notmynamethere will be one more release for the juno integrated release. tentatively scheduled for october 6 RC date, with a final on oct 1619:11
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notmynametwo other small things...19:12
notmynameI threw together a short list of small things to work on19:12
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notmynamebasically "I'm looking for something small to do" type things19:12
notmynamefeel free to edit it19:12
claygnotmyname: that's a problem people have?19:13
notmynameclayg: primarily for new contributors19:13
torgomaticFWIW, on the recon one, use and support of "OPTIONS *" requests is a good way to ask a server what it is19:13
notmynameand finally, the use survey19:13
notmynameplease fill this out19:14
* torgomatic is out19:14
notmynamethis is used as direct evidence by people in the openstack community on what to prioritize and what's important in openstack overall19:14
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cutforthnotmyname: thanks for the survey link/info.  i'll be sure to pass it on19:15
notmynameplease fill it out and talk about all the swift clusters you have. you can keep the info private19:15
notmynamecutforth: thanks19:15
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notmynameespecially as I talk to the TC and the DefCore people, this is stuff that is brought up to make claims about swift not being used. it is directly helpful to all of us to fill this out19:16
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notmyname#topic EC update19:16
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notmynamepeluse: tsg: what's going on with EC this week?19:17
peluseI need to go scrub trello real quick and make sure its up to date, have been away all morening... that said19:17
pelusestill in need of eyes on the EC patches that are out there19:17
pelusetsg: you there for latest news on eventlet?19:17
tsgeventlet 0.15.2 is finally out19:18
tsgthere was a memory leak in the socket code that I had to help fix to make sure it was released last weekend19:18
peluseso what are the next step on getting it usable for testing on the feature/ec branch? (for notmyname)19:19
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notmynametsg: can you add a comment to the requirements file saying that >= that version will be required when EC lands? it will be a helpful note for all of us19:19
mattoliverautsg: nice work!19:19
notmynametsg: thanks19:19
tsgother patches: quorum_size patch is updated with Sam's comments19:19
tsgfooter patch - should be up there this week for review19:19
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pelusefooter w/100-continue basked in?19:20
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tsgpeluse: yes :)19:20
notmynameI'm told that as soon as a package hits pypi it will start being used in gate checks (ie latest released version that satisfies the requirements). so therefore we should already be running with that eventlet version19:20
peluseso sounds like big patches in need of torgotmatic's eyes are (a) replicator framework and (b) quorum size19:21
peluseargh, reconstructor19:21
tsgnotmyname: that is correct19:21
tsgwe are already running 0.15.2 eventlet19:21
notmynameI did want to talk about process for ec patches19:21
notmynameare we expecting to get two full reviews before landing, or are we looking for something softer since it will be rereviewed as is comes in to master?19:22
peluse2 full before landing on feature/ec if I'm not mistaken19:22
notmynameI want to keep momentum up on getting it written, but of course I don't want bad code to land19:22
peluseI think that worked well for SP and would be concerned that we'd end up with more work/delays when it comes time to merge to master if we change19:23
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notmynameyeah, but I also remember that being occasionally loosened for SP19:23
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notmynameso I guess the main question is if current work is blocked by needing reviews19:24
peluseyeah, in the very early days when it was just me and torgomatic, he'd push stuff through with 1 review but I think we stayed with 2 as soon as the 3rd person joined in19:24
notmynameok, just checking19:24
pelusebut yes there is work blocked (sort of).  Would be easier to continue work on the other reconstructor portions if feature/ec had the reconstructor framework on it so we don't have a pile of dependencies all over the place19:25
peluseBTW, thanks mattoliverau for looking at that one :)19:25
notmynamepeluse: which one is the first one that needs to land (first in the dependency chain)?19:25
mattoliveraupeluse: np19:25
peluseI'll paste it in, one sec19:25
peluse  the framework for recon.  4 other major parts will depend on this - all outlined in the design spec at...19:26
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notmynameok, great19:26
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notmynamethanks. I put a link to that patch on the priority reviews page19:27
notmynameany other questions or discussion around the ongoing EC work?19:27
peluseone more note...19:27
pelusereviews now are really important to make the most use of the time that those interested can spend at the hackathon19:27
pelusethat's all :)19:28
notmynamegood point19:28
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notmyname#topic translations19:29
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notmynamepeluse: you asked what's up with that19:29
notmynameI asked in -infra a little while ago...19:29
notmyname"I believe we need/want those files to be inlcuded in our sdists. We get that cheap in that location iirc"19:29
pelusemy question here:  what's the big picture on this one?  is this a phased thing?  Are all the other projects doing it?  I just feel like something is missing wrt context on that patch19:29
notmynamethe exact location probably doesn't matter, but if we are consistent it makes the packaging and installation of .po(t) files much easier19:30
notmynameboth from clarkb19:30
notmynamepeluse: it seems to be a consistency thing19:30
notmynameacross all openstack projects, from what I can tell19:30
notmynamehas anyone else been a part of any of this?19:30
peluseI guess I don't know enough to know what I'm reviewing for... just make sure the comment in the patch "test it this way" does what it says? (extracts strings) or are there other specs to be concerned about?19:31
notmynameI don't know19:31
peluselooking back at the bug there was a bunch of past conversation voicing concerns so I wasn't sure if those had been addressed offline or what19:32
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 608725 in openstack-i18n "swift should be internationalized/translated" [High,Confirmed]19:32
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notmynamesounds like we need to ask around. maybe start in -infra?19:33
clarkbpeluse: honestly I think the only way you fix those concerns is to start translating the strings. translators are in a position to file bugs against that stuff19:33
clarkbpeluse: but saying we shouldn't bother because the strings are bad is a good way to never get started19:33
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peluseclarkb, I've got nothing against it, just don't know enough about what's being proposed/potential issues/etc to give it a +2 so am asking here19:34
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pelusedoes anyone here have open concerns?19:34
clarkband yes chmouel's question has been answered at several summits. There are large groups of people operating the code that want this stuff translated apaprently. iirc IBM was one of them19:34
notmynameclarkb: so how do we test it?19:35
clarkb(and daisy is doing a lot of the work in this space so they are helping out)19:35
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zaitcevand then we see bug reports "swift-object-server: 出来ません".19:36
clarkbto test it you can change your locale19:36
peluseI did python extract_messages as it states in the patch and seemed to work fine.  If that's sufficient then I'm good19:36
claygzaitcev: :)19:36
clarkbthough changing locale may be one too many steps ahead19:36
clarkbpeluse: yes, if extract_messages updates the new location of the .pot file that is a reasonable test for this step19:36
clarkb*update the file at the new location of the .pot file19:36
clarkbI am failing at english here19:37
peluseOK, will check it out... so real high level - what/who/when pulls these strings out of there?19:37
notmynameclarkb: maybe you need to be translated. or your own pot files are in the wrong place19:37
clarkbpeluse: any strings wrapped in the gettext format function (typically _()) will be extracted into the .pot file19:37
clarkbpeluse: zuul/jenkins will do this on every commit that is merged and sync that with transifex so that translators always have up to date .pot information19:38
peluseso the pot file will change when we change strings in the code and we don't have to worry about it?19:38
clarkbpeluse: then once a day we sync the other direction and pull the .po files from transifex, commit them in your tree and push taht for review19:38
clarkbpeluse: for the most part that is correct. you have to worry about it when we do the daily sync the other direction19:38
clarkbpeluse: this will create a new change if there isn't one already and update that each day rather tahn creating a new change19:39
pelusecan I get this capability to use w/my teenage daughter?19:39
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clarkbthat change can be ignored until you are ready to sync if you prefer19:39
notmynameclarkb: and so the patch pushed back into swift will have translated strings. and, ideally, we'd confirm that those are the correct translations?19:40
* peluse is ready to test again (change location this time) and +2 if notmyname is good with it19:40
clarkbnotmyname: that is a tricky question :) I think most projects don't have the ability to vouche for all of the translations and there is a degree of trust between devs and translators on transifex19:40
claygnotmyname: except for the part about confirming19:40
clarkbnotmyname: however you can enforce things on transifex side if you have individuals that you want to delegate that to19:41
notmynamebut assuming we all had a babelfish in our ear...19:41
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notmynamepeluse: sounds ok to me19:41
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pelusehell, I'll volunteer for the English translations :)19:41
clarkbnotmyname: I would do that enforcement there rather than git. The git side is more that it didn't break code somehow eg if you take a string like "foo %s bar" and translate it to "bar foo" any substitution will fail19:41
acolespeluse: careful, there are many variants of english ;)19:42
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notmynameclarkb: ok. thanks for the helpful info19:42
peluseerr... American translations I mean19:42
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mattoliverauSo we can have an Australian translation with out all the z's and put back the missinh u's :P19:42
notmynamepeluse anything more on that patch?19:42
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peluseyeah, thanks clarkb.  was thinking that would just sit there if we didn't chat about it in a mtg19:42
clarkbnotmyname: peluse: then the erally high level testing would be to change locale and see that translated strings come out19:43
* clayg wants to recruit glange for the esperanto local19:43
pelusegot it19:43
clarkbwe don't do that automagically today19:43
notmynamemattoliverau: matt-o submitted a patchy?19:43
clarkbnotmyname: wow we need this19:43
clarkbI will make my local en_au19:43
notmynameok, moving on :-)19:44
notmyname#topic lwn article19:44
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notmynameportante: this is something you brought up19:44
notmynameI haven't read it yet19:44
notmynamewhat's up?19:44
mattoliverauwill do, and clarkb: do it, then move to Oz :)19:44
notmynametitle is Ensuring data reaches disk19:44
portantethe article goes over the steps need to sync data to disk19:45
portanteI am poking at this because I don't believe we do what it recommends, and wanted to bring this to folks attention to review19:45
notmynameportante: ok. sounds like homework then :-)19:45
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portanteIn particular, a fsync() of the directory fd would be needed to ensure the renamed file on a PUT is properly persisted19:46
portantefor account, container and object, all directory operations are not fsync'd if I remember the code and am still able to read the current code correctly. :)19:47
notmynameportante: ok, let's all go read it this week and compare it to what swift does (and submit patches as necessary)19:47
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portantethe file system team at red hat sits across the hall from us on the performance team, so I can ask questions if necessary19:47
portantethe article is nice in that is has the specific swift use case in it19:48
zaitcevFor the context, we had a conversation with Ric Wheeler in attendance, and I mentioned the 0-byte files as supposed being equivalent of lost+found. Ric bristled at that. He said it's an old myth that has no ground in reality.19:48
notmyname#action go read and compare to what Swift is doing19:48
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notmynameportante: thanks for bringing it up19:49
notmyname#topic priority reviews19:49
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notmynameI updated the priority reviews page19:49
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notmynameit now has a section at the top for things that IMO should land in the juno integrated release19:49
notmynamethere's also another section for EC work (with the current blocker linked)19:50
notmynamecschwede will be looking at the keystone patch in the next day or so, so I think that's covered19:50
notmynamethe other things I listed have to do with performance and with improvements to known issues or limitations with existing features19:50
notmynameeg improving global replication19:51
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notmynamealso, seeing as many people end up using the integrated release and not the more frequent swift release, I also listed the config change to make bind_port explicit19:51
mattoliveraugood move19:51
notmynameI'm sure other things will come up, but there are the ones that are currently open that I'd like to see land19:51
notmynamebasically, we've got 4 weeks19:52
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notmynameif you have other things to add to that list, let me know and let's get them added19:53
notmynamemattoliverau: how's your abandon script working this week?19:53
mattoliverauGood, I get BCC'd19:53
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notmynameI see that
zaitcevI wasn't sure about making bind_port obligatory, but on second thought it's better than springing a new default port on people.19:53
notmynameI see that is empty19:53
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mattoliveraui reset the database when it went live, so the list will take 14 days to start populating19:54
notmynamezaitcev: ya, that's the plan. to first make it explicit, then change the recommendation19:54
zaitcevBecause the consequences are better linked to the change, easier to notice and correct.19:54
notmynamemattoliverau: ah ok19:54
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notmynamewe've got about 5 minutes left in the meeting. are there any specific patches (beyond the translation one) that we need to discuss this week?19:55
mattoliverauthere is a bunch of changes what could be considered abaondoned but we'll give the owns 2 weeks to do something or nothing.19:55
mattoliveraunow that they have been notified19:55
notmynameok, thanks everyone for coming19:56
notmynamesee you next week19:56
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