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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPi | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 15:02:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPi)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, no BobBall today | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not got much to talk about just to myself, will wait a little while for Bob | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 15:04:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-10-15.02.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-10-15.02.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-10-15.02.log.html | 15:04 |
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| DuncanT | Who's here for the cinder meeting? | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| dustins_ | \o | 16:01 |
| * flip214 . | 16:01 | |
| patrickeast | <- | 16:01 |
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| kmartin | hi | 16:01 |
| eharney | here | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | cinder? | 16:02 |
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| bruff | hi | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 16:02:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Hey | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
| avishay | hello all | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you here? | 16:03 |
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| bswartz | yes | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic manage/unmage non-interger sized vols | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | interesting problem :) | 16:03 |
| bswartz | A question came up at a meeting today about what happens when I 'cinder manage' a LUN that's 1.5GB | 16:03 |
| bswartz | We tell the user that the resulting volume is 2GB, but we don't resize it | 16:03 |
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| bswartz | so I can see bad things happening | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: at least some confusion if nothing else | 16:04 |
| avishay | bswartz: what kind of bad things? and why not resize? | 16:04 |
| flip214 | why is GB the default unit? test VMs might even work with half a gig. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: problem is I don't want to go down the path of introducing floats to cinder volume sizes | 16:04 |
| bswartz | as an aside -- I think non-integer-size volumes would be a good thing to support | 16:04 |
| flip214 | of course, production machines are likely to be much bigger | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | flip214: you can easily test with smaller | 16:05 |
| bswartz | but if we don't, then we need to do something about this manage use case | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | flip214: problem is actually "int" | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yeah.... my intial thought was resize | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: OR | 16:05 |
| bswartz | the most obvious thing is to force a resize as part of the manage operation | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: document that hey... in the case of managing an existing vol we're going to fudge a bit | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | There's no real harm in fudging I don't think... | 16:06 |
| hemna | mep | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm leaning that direction as well... but I would say we should document it well | 16:06 |
| avishay | i don't think we should resize automatically - the user might want to leave their volume as-is | 16:06 |
| eharney | i don't see why we shouldn't just do a resize as part of manage as bswartz says | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | Forcing a resize is going to be less popular | 16:06 |
| bswartz | the problem is that tha manage operation is done by an admin -- the user doesn't know it happened | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: maybe even in the help | 16:06 |
| bswartz | the user can only see the size that cinder says it is | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:06 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: just out of interest, why not floats? interoperability with drivers, upgrade path, ...? | 16:06 |
| eharney | avishay: fair point | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | flip214: because everything is designed and setup with ints | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 on documenting | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: and it would flat out suck to try and change that everywhere :) | 16:07 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: ack. | 16:07 |
| hemna | resizing an existing volume just to make the cinder db happy seems...hackish | 16:07 |
| navneet | jgriffith: we may extend manage further with a flag for resize if required | 16:07 |
| AlkaD_ | +1 documenting | 16:07 |
| navneet | jgriffith: degaut behavior remains as is | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | Resizing the volume might also fail, e.g. a full array... refusing to import in that case is a bit weak | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | navneet: I suppose that might be reasonable, but now I'm questioning how big of a deal this is | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | +1 Documenting. | 16:07 |
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| flip214 | +1 documentation | 16:08 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: not so big but a slight confusion | 16:08 |
| bswartz | that's all I had on this topic -- just wanted to raise the issue | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | navneet: yeah | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: good point | 16:08 |
| dustins | +1, as long as it's documented it ought to be alright | 16:08 |
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| avishay | i agree, just document | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | It risks being another weird option that sees little to no testing and breaks without anybody noticing | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I think we should start with the documenation aspect of it and go from there | 16:08 |
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| joa | ah. Was on the wrong chann >.< Hi o/ | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | You can even put the doc in it the http response too, no harm in that | 16:09 |
| akerr_ | so what about when your array is full of 1.1g volumes, all reporting 2g now. You have a lot of wasted space there | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | we're already getting to the point of having too many useless options | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah, I was thinking in the cinderclient manage help | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | akerr: No wasted space at all | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | but either way | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | akerr_: yeah... why would you have "wasted" space? | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | akerr: Since the array reports how full it is | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | akerr_: or do you mean wasted quota? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | akerr_: thems the breaks IMO :) | 16:10 |
| kmartin | akerr_: update stats will still report the correct number | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | errr... "brakes" | 16:10 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: yeah wasted quota is good point | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | The wasted quota is just tough luck... import is an edge case | 16:10 |
| guitarzan | isn't manage supposed to be an exceptional case anyway? | 16:10 |
| akerr_ | ok, I wasn't thinking about the stat update being deoupled from the volume size report | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: +1 | 16:10 |
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| avishay | guitarzan: +1 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | So here's the thing | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | this is an admin's deal | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | if he/she wants to match up things that's their choice | 16:11 |
| avishay | if for some reason you have a system where manage is the norm, the admin can give out a little extra quota to cover it | 16:11 |
| navneet | guitarzan: its exceptional but if somebody scripts to bring all their volumes using manage | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | if he/she doesn't that's their choice as well | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | navneet: *somebody* shouldn't be doing that, and admin maybe | 16:11 |
| guitarzan | navneet: that person sets the quotas too | 16:11 |
| navneet | guitarzan: and every volume is like 2.1 or 3.1 gb then you have exhausted your quota to gr8 extent | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | navneet: and the quota thing isn't enough of an issue to make me care | 16:12 |
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| avishay | quotas are broken anyway :P | 16:12 |
| guitarzan | navneet: so raise that users quota | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 :( | 16:12 |
| navneet | guitarzan: customers have to pay for it right | 16:12 |
| avishay | but yea, the admin can just give 1-2GB extra to cover the loss, no big deal IMO | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I think that it's a good point to be cognisant of | 16:12 |
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| guitarzan | navneet: you set up billing however you like | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Then fix your charging model... import is an edge case | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | but I don't think it warrants a drastic change to the Cinder code | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Let's just note the implications here and leave it at that | 16:13 |
| guitarzan | maybe someone will push hard enough to get float volume sizes, but that's a totally different situation | 16:13 |
| AlkaD_ | +1 | 16:13 |
| guitarzan | indeed | 16:13 |
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| rhe00 | how hard would it be to limit the ui to not allow floats? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: ewwww | 16:13 |
| navneet | DuncanT: ok...some food for thought | 16:13 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: just saying :) | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: yeah, but now somebody is going to propose the 3K line patch that does it :) | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | rhe00: Getting floats past me hitting -2 would be quite a challenge | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: you mentioned the elephant in the room | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:14 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: DuncanT has us covered | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: _1 | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | errr | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:14 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: lol | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Ok... shall we continue? | 16:14 |
| bswartz | yes, this topic is wrapped | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | Let's. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | eharney: ready? | 16:14 |
| eharney | yes | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj pictures DuncanT hitting -2 with extreme prejudice | 16:14 | |
| jgriffith | #topic remove hard dep on profiler | 16:14 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT needs a -3 | 16:15 |
| eharney | alright i seem to have stirred up something here, let me explain this | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:15 |
| eharney | this is a code implementation issue, not about changing the extent to which osprofiler is "part" of Cinder etc | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: +3 | 16:15 |
| hemna | I think eharney's patch is a good way to go. make this optional. | 16:15 |
| eharney | my opinion is that a deployer should be able to run cinder-api and cinder-volume without having to install a profiling tool | 16:15 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:15 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:15 |
| eharney | and i haven't yet heard a justification as to why doing it as it is done today is really needed | 16:16 |
| * DuncanT thinks installing everything gives a far, far, far better user experience | 16:16 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: IIRC the biggest reason is to make sure it gets tested in gate | 16:16 |
| eharney | DuncanT: jgriffith: it's still in requirements.txt | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | eharney: getting "one-offs" in gate code is *hard* | 16:16 |
| eharney | so those do not change | 16:16 |
| avishay | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | Making it optional severely limits how we can extend it in future | 16:16 |
| hemna | jgriffith, but the testing in gate will happen if it's installed. | 16:16 |
| hemna | according to eharney's patch | 16:17 |
| eharney | DuncanT: how? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | eharney: oh... wait, then I'm confused *again* | 16:17 |
| eharney | the patch lets cinder services run without it | 16:17 |
| eharney | they attempt to load it by default still | 16:17 |
| eharney | it is still present by default because it is still listed as a requirement | 16:17 |
| eharney | behavior does not change | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | eharney: If deployers ignore requirements.txt then it doesn't matter that it is in there, if they don't then there is no need to make it optional | 16:17 |
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| eharney | it matters for other reasons | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | eharney: If it isn't there out of the box on every installation, then we can't easily ask people to turn it on the debug issues | 16:18 |
| eharney | we are assuming that we merge this in Juno and then when osprofiler hits 0.9 the API doesn't change and break stable/juno | 16:18 |
| joa | DuncanT: I dont really knowthis profiling code, but isnt there a configurable way to disable it and have passthrough-like functionnality ? | 16:18 |
| eharney | DuncanT: i wasn't aware we were far enough along to be thinking about that | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | joa: You can configure it off, yes, but currently you still need it installed | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | eharney: I think we are, and we should continue with that mentality | 16:19 |
| eharney | i just can't see the benefit of tying it so tightly into the middle of cinder | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: If you make it optional now, any future patch to change that becomes a fight | 16:19 |
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| * jgriffith wishes zul or some other pkg maintainer was about | 16:20 | |
| DuncanT | eharney: It isn't tightly coupled, it is just a requirement for it to be there | 16:20 |
| hemna | DuncanT, isn't that the same thing? | 16:20 |
| eharney | jgriffith: well, i do packaging for Fedora/RDO/RHOS... | 16:20 |
| eharney | but i've kinda stated my POV | 16:20 |
| * DuncanT is a package maintainer, FWIW, even though we're a fairly damn specialised distro | 16:20 | |
| * joa thinks profiling tools are too useful to be seen as hindrances... | 16:20 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: yeah... I wanted another doctors opinion so to speak | 16:20 |
| hemna | any other distro mx will have to now build a package for osprofiler to just install and run cinder. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: not because I don't like yours, because I like more info :) | 16:20 |
| eharney | nothing about this is about bashing osprofiler or making it less important | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I'm still unclear on the big issue with it | 16:21 |
| avishay | jgriffith: as a doctor, i agree with DuncanT :) | 16:21 |
| eharney | i think the current impl is architecturally flawed | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | eharney: understood, I wasn't implying that at all | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | sorry if I did | 16:21 |
| eharney | i know | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | What gain does making it optional provide? | 16:21 |
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| eharney | DuncanT: what hemna said for one | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | What is the win? I know the cost | 16:21 |
| hemna | I see this as being the same issues as requiring a 3rd party driver library installed just to run cinder :P | 16:21 |
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| thingee | From a deployer POV, I think it should be off by default. It's really annoying to find what to turn off to get better performance from OpenStack services. We already know we're all good documenting things clearly. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm fine with that too.... | 16:22 |
| eharney | thingee: well it is off by default so let's not confuse things | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | I think the default off/on thing is a different debate though no? | 16:22 |
| navneet | hemna: have we stopped doing like this for 3par? | 16:22 |
| eharney | but you have to install it and its reqs etc | 16:22 |
| * thingee is peachy then | 16:22 | |
| thingee | :) | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | Any packager needs to be keeping up with loads of libraries, one more makes no real difference | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | I've got ~40 on my list | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't know that "my life sucks, who cares if it sucks a little more" is a good arg | 16:23 |
| hemna | :P | 16:23 |
| eharney | it doesn't make a real difference as long as it doesn't have issues that trigger security audits or API breakages or dependency problems etc | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:23 |
| thingee | eharney: throw it in test-requirements.txt then? | 16:23 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yeah.... packaging and such is always easy until it's not.. | 16:23 |
| * jgriffith is thankful he doesn't have to do it | 16:23 | |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: *Any* openstack packager needs to be packaging all the new versions in requirements.txt - what difference does one more make? | 16:23 |
| eharney | thingee: not sure what you mean | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:24 |
| thingee | eharney: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/test-requirements.txt | 16:24 |
| eharney | thingee: it's in requirements.txt now | 16:24 |
| eharney | i'm not even trying to remove it from there | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | eharney: You can say that about every other package too... and oslo.db and oslo.rpc *have* triggered security audits | 16:24 |
| hemna | DuncanT, I'm not sure that's a valid justification for not making this optional. | 16:24 |
| eharney | DuncanT: yes but those provide things that i have to have for Cinder to _work_ | 16:24 |
| eharney | DuncanT: this does not | 16:24 |
| thingee | eharney: was just thinking of avoiding it being installed for production cases. | 16:24 |
| eharney | Cinder has to talk to a database | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It entirely negates the case for making it optional | 16:24 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:24 |
| eharney | Cinder does not have to have a profiling tool to run | 16:25 |
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| hemna | eharney, heh, it does right now. :( | 16:25 |
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| thingee | eharney: right, so hence my suggestion of test-requirements.txt | 16:25 |
| hemna | until your patch lands that is. | 16:25 |
| guitarzan | I'm not sure you'd want to have to deploy something else just to flip on profiling when something starts to get slow | 16:25 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120455/ fixes this issue | 16:25 |
| eharney | thingee: we can do that after this patch ^ | 16:25 |
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| eharney | thingee: not possible now | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | eharney: My big worry is that we find some cool new thing we can usefully profile, but that the code to make it optional gets more and more complicated | 16:26 |
| avishay | guitarzan: +1, but the question is if we need to prevent people from shooting themselves in the foot? | 16:26 |
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| guitarzan | avishay: I don't see the bullets | 16:26 |
| navneet | guitarzan: +1 profiling tool should be operators choice | 16:26 |
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| eharney | guitarzan: IMO that is up to deployers and packagers to work out as they do with all similar questions currently | 16:26 |
| hemna | navneet, +1 | 16:26 |
| eharney | guitarzan: unfortunately here they have no option | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | eharney: I'd rather see a proper plugin witha proper dummy/disabled version that we can maintain than the approach in your patch | 16:26 |
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| guitarzan | eharney: I think that option doesn't really gain them much | 16:27 |
| guitarzan | like DuncanT says, we could add yet another layer of indirection to allow it, but what is the benefit? | 16:27 |
| thingee | guitarzan: +! | 16:27 |
| thingee | +1* | 16:27 |
| avishay | i think there will be more deployers who hate themselves for not enabling it than those happy with the decision | 16:27 |
| navneet | DuncanT: do we hve a recommended profiler across openstack projects? | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | You can already disable it with a config option | 16:27 |
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| thingee | I'd also argue that if that if DuncanT wants this other layer, we should hold off on osprofiler :) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | ok... back up, we're confusing this again | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | navneet: os-profiler is in several projects already, and spreading | 16:28 |
| eharney | yeah i'm getting lost here | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | The question is not enable/disable | 16:28 |
| hemna | DuncanT, but you are still required to install it, before disabling it in conf. | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | it's require the lib for install/run | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: I want os-profiler, but if we /must/ make it optional, do it properly | 16:28 |
| navneet | DuncanT: but still it should not be forced to install...may be recommended in docs | 16:28 |
| thingee | if you want os-profiler, do it properly | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | hemna: And I'm saying requiring it to be installed is fine, same as paramiko and a bunch of other things | 16:28 |
| eharney | DuncanT: so properly looks like: all trace points call cinder.utils.profileme, and we handle this logic in there? | 16:28 |
| eharney | thingee: +1 | 16:29 |
| jogo | while I understand the value of something like rally for deployers (they can compare different settings etc.) what does osprofiler buy operators? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Yeah, that sort of thing | 16:29 |
| guitarzan | jogo: when stuff gets bad (and it does) you can find out why | 16:29 |
| eharney | paramiko does not have to be installed | 16:29 |
| eharney | it did | 16:29 |
| eharney | and i fixed it for similar reasons | 16:29 |
| jogo | guitarzan: for example? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jogo: the argument is admins having *problems* wanting to dig deeper | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jogo: FWIW | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | jogo: Tracing one specific call on a busy live system... it is great | 16:29 |
| guitarzan | I think this is an ideological block that we won't all agree on | 16:29 |
| jogo | DuncanT: logs do that | 16:29 |
| avishay | jogo: when 'cinder list' takes minutes | 16:30 |
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| guitarzan | jogo: no they don't | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | jogo: e.g. a specific customer has 1000 bootable volumes with many items of glance metadata and list takes three minutes, this lets you find out why | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | ok, so this is obviously something many different people have opinions on | 16:30 |
| jogo | guitarzan: well it depends on what you are looking for | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | and may of us may not even be on the same debate :) | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | jogo: Logs are a nightmare on a busy system | 16:30 |
| hemna | I don't think anyone is questioning the validity of the profiler as a useful tool. I think we are really questioning 1) if it should be required to run cinder, and if not 2) how to make it optionatl. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | the key question is "requiring libs for cinder services to run" | 16:30 |
| jogo | DuncanT: thats why we have request-ids | 16:30 |
| eharney | hemna: this is really what i'm trying to focus on | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | that's it | 16:30 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: ok, so the basic question is is it ok to "require" people to install this | 16:30 |
| navneet | jogo: +1...there are tools out there to scrtinize logs and profile using it | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | not the usefulness or use case in prodcution etc | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jogo: Still a nightmare. I was doing it literally last week | 16:31 |
| eharney | guitarzan: yes, but require isn't in quotes at present.. | 16:31 |
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| jogo | hemna: I am asking why an *operator* would want it but I think I have somewhat of an answer | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jogo: os-profiler made it very, very easy | 16:31 |
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| guitarzan | eharney: this is true | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jogo: I *am* an operator of a large public cloud | 16:31 |
| guitarzan | jogo: I am another | 16:31 |
| avishay | so i see we're not getting anywhere on this... :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jogo: so it's a good question, but I don't think it's the question we're trying to answer righ tnow :) | 16:32 |
| rushiagr | :) | 16:32 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: so, is it a democracy or a monarchy decision? :D | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | IMO that ship has sailed :) | 16:32 |
| hemna | jogo, smart operators would find it useful if the performance of cinder starts to suck or whatnot. | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: so it's a dictator decision for now :) | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | Are other projects requiring it? | 16:32 |
| avishay | hemna: s/if/when/ :) | 16:32 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: works for me | 16:32 |
| jogo | jgriffith: yeah just wondering, my question has been answered thanks | 16:32 |
| hemna | avishay, :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | At the end of the day it's no different than a boat load of other things in OpenStack/Cinder | 16:32 |
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| eharney | jungleboyj: glance, but i think we should make the same patch there | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | I say we leave it as is, build the packages | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I'm sympathetic to the problem eharney points out | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | So, if requiring it is consistent with other projects and it isn't enabled by default ... | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I think that's a broader question/issue for OpenStack | 16:33 |
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| hemna | ok so, to make everyone happy, eharney just needs to make this optional with a better mechanism instead of try: blocks around imports ? | 16:33 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: it hasn't been around long enough for there to be an understood "consistent" | 16:33 |
| navneet | jgriffith: so you will be packaging os-profiler :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | navneet: no, will you? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Fair enough. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | seriously... why the big scrutiny on this "one" lib? | 16:33 |
| eharney | hemna: it sounded to me like we are leaning more toward -2ing the patch still | 16:34 |
| navneet | jgriffith: if you start I ll join | 16:34 |
| eharney | jgriffith: because it's a service dep and not a driver dep | 16:34 |
| * DuncanT will be packaging it whether we make it optional or not | 16:34 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: we have plenty of service deps already | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | eharney: this is the model we use | 16:34 |
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| hemna | eharney, but not because making it optional isn't a good thing, but because of the mechanism for making it optional in your existing patch. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | eharney: My point is if the model sucks, change the model | 16:34 |
| avishay | so the next two topics on the agenda seem interesting *subtle hint* :) | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | but not with a one off hack out the service | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | avishay: haha | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | alright, so that's my position on it | 16:35 |
| eharney | erm well i'm not really sure where to go from here on this | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I'm sure it's unpopular | 16:35 |
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| eharney | i.e. whether i should bother improving the patch or not | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: well, my preference is leave it as is and build the rpm's | 16:35 |
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| * DuncanT votes for the same, leave it | 16:35 | |
| jgriffith | if we want to discuss the model in Kilo and how to make it better for pkg maintainers I think that's great | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | but I don't want to mess with a one off right now | 16:36 |
| rushiagr | +1 | 16:36 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:36 |
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| AlkaD_ | +1 | 16:36 |
| eharney | alright | 16:36 |
| hemna | ok I'm alright with that. Lets fix this in K. | 16:36 |
| thingee | we have shown we're not getting anyone on irc with it, unfortunately | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | and I'm still unclear on the major issue/difficulty that eharney and hemna have with this. | 16:36 |
| joa | sounds reasonable :) | 16:36 |
| navneet | jgriffith: by Kilo packagers will struggle to have it | 16:36 |
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| eharney | well in K everyone will have packaged it already | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | I mean, I realize building pkgs can suck... but | 16:36 |
| avishay | +0.9, but we don't support floats | 16:36 |
| avishay | so +1 | 16:36 |
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| eharney | but the architectural points are still valid | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | avishay: LOL | 16:36 |
| hemna | eharney, yup. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | smart allec | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | ok, let's move along | 16:37 |
| AlkaD_ | lol | 16:37 |
| eharney | thanks | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: If it's really an issue we can talk more | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: :-) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: as I said, I am sympathetic | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: especially since I don't have to do it :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | #topic kilo stabilization work | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: ?? | 16:37 |
| * jungleboyj is going to start giving +1.1 's | 16:38 | |
| hemna | ok, so this list is very large currently on the etherpad | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | hey... | 16:38 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: watch your quotas... :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | new rule! | 16:38 |
| hemna | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | You can't add things 30 minutes into the meeting :) | 16:38 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj: good those round up to +2's | 16:38 |
| AlkaD_ | :0 | 16:38 |
| hemna | so I'm wondering if we could prioritize this list and see what we think we can actually get done in K. | 16:38 |
| AlkaD_ | :) | 16:38 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing kmartin, yep. | 16:38 | |
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| joa | jgriffith: ahah :D | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:38 |
| hemna | some of those items are much larger than others to implement | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but I'm certainly not ready to do that until we get Juno done | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | hemna: or at least an RC out | 16:39 |
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| avishay | hemna: maybe start by categorizing issues by correctness, robustness, performance/scalability, etc.? | 16:39 |
| hemna | sure, anything at this point. I'm glad we have the list though. | 16:39 |
| hemna | we are starting to plan our K work and was wondering what we should be looking at that we might be able to get done. | 16:40 |
| hemna | oh and by we, my team here at HP. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Getting the same questions here. | 16:40 |
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| rushiagr | cinder h/a not there ? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | by here I mean IBM. :-) | 16:40 |
| hemna | rushiagr, there are items in that list that are required in order to do h/w | 16:41 |
| hemna | err h/a | 16:41 |
| rushiagr | hemna: okay | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ok, fair enough | 16:41 |
| navneet | any plans on NAMOS in cinder | 16:41 |
| avishay | personally i think misusing the DB is the biggest pain point - not doing atomic things atomically, using it for things that it shouldn't be used for, very inefficient calls, etc | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT | Turning some of these into specs seems like a plan | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | I think many are large enough to justify specs | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | navneet: NAMOS? | 16:42 |
| joa | +1 Duncan, some sound like quite a bit of work | 16:42 |
| navneet | DuncanT: configuration management component | 16:42 |
| hemna | The state machine seems like a really big want/need | 16:42 |
| avishay | DuncanT: +1, and i would add maybe include a sizing estimate in the spec, and people can take on whatever topics they want? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | State machine is the biggest win IMO | 16:43 |
| hemna | I'd put that high on the list, whereas the config mgmt seems cool, but a lower priority. | 16:43 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:43 |
| avishay | hemna: +1 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: http://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/namos-openstack-infrastructure-manager | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | re NAMOS ^^ | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | Config management is a huge feature, and doesn't really fit with the K goals... | 16:43 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: jgriffithit adressses many probs we already discussed | 16:43 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, interesting. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Simple APIs to make an external config manager easier might be reaasonable | 16:44 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | anyway... magic beans right now | 16:44 |
| thingee | jgriffith, DuncanT: as mentioned at the dev meetup, I can help out after september on state machine. | 16:44 |
| thingee | just ci stuff is a priority for me atm | 16:44 |
| hemna | DuncanT, but some aspects of doing config mgmt on the fly require the state machine and graceful bouncing of cinder services. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | hemna: +1 | 16:45 |
| avishay | #1 priority is getting cinder to a point where it's not broken :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, we'll need to work out some POC prior to summit | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: ez now | 16:45 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: don't become one of those "Cinder is broken" | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | alright... so | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: great point | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: agreed some planning now rather than later | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | I don't know what kind of cycles people have right now | 16:46 |
| hemna | so I guess I can see if I can rearrange some of those items in that etherpad | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I refer you to my 'state machine is the biggest win' comment ;-) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:46 |
| hemna | top down as top priority to lower | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | I thnk categories is a great start | 16:46 |
| joa | hemna: though some hot-config-changes are sometimes really complex if not impossible | 16:46 |
| hemna | I'll take a stab at it. | 16:46 |
| hemna | joa, yup. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | also specs | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | if somebody is ready to write one they most certainly shouldn't wait | 16:47 |
| avishay | jgriffith: ok not broken but not in great shape ;) | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | anything else on the topic? | 16:47 |
| * DuncanT really wants to get two written | 16:47 | |
| jgriffith | avishay: :( | 16:47 |
| hemna | I'm good. | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: cool.. thanks!! | 16:47 |
| hemna | np | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | #topic Splitting client | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: interesting | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | So this came up a few times | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | Most of our users aren't admins | 16:48 |
| avishay | DuncanT: that's good :) | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | So why do they get a face full of admin options in the cinder client | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | ? | 16:48 |
| joa | too many commandes in one place for different usages ? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so are you proposing two seperate clients? | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Splitting shell.py in two is fairly easy | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: Not sure I like that | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Everything else would be common | 16:49 |
| hemna | so migrate more of the admin only stuff into cinder-manage ? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | ahh | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | k | 16:49 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: what determines which is admin functionality? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | so then I could just filter basicly | 16:49 |
| joa | so it's more a work on the "CLI API", right ? | 16:49 |
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| avishay | doesn't the policy determine what is admin-only? | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | This is purely for the CLI, yeah | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and cheat like "modify policy.json" and still get the "admin" stuff | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | ? | 16:49 |
| joa | DuncanT: okay | 16:49 |
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| joa | then I gladly +1 this subject. As a newcomer it's often a nightmare to get all those options/command in your head before you can actually start using it | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: yeah, that's kinda where I'm heading | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | a decorator will do the job instead of splitting, isn't it? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: +1 | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Just because a tenant has perms to do it doesn't make it not admin IMO | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: the point is it can't be "all or nothing" | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | A decorator might be the solution, I've no strong feelings | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I kinda like the decorator idea | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: I was thinking the other way around | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | filter out via policy file and present what user is allowed to see/do | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | If we can do that, then even better | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: what do you mean? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | That would be awesome | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: we can do *anything* :) | 16:51 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:51 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: that would be the best solution | 16:51 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, except make osprofiler optional | 16:51 |
| guitarzan | the tenant can't do feature x in my cloud, but can in your cloud, so it's admin in mine, not admin in yours | 16:51 |
| hemna | :P | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: can we make it scalable, maintainable etc... meh | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: Auto-discovery would be perfect | 16:52 |
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| joa | jgriffith: the policy file worries me about how to maintain it; (and as you said scaliability etc) | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | joa: well that's a different topic though I think | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: If not, just call everything that isn't a basic volume op admin even if a tenant can do it - that doesn't make it not admin | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, having a policy file is a little worrisome. | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | joa: you mean the policy file in general? | 16:52 |
| navneet | joa: policy file is a clean way to do it | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | joa: not sure I see the problem with that scaling | 16:52 |
| joa | jgriffith: I meant in the context of this split | 16:52 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: so the tenant has to use the admin client? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | json is pretty light-weight | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: To do admin things, sure | 16:53 |
| guitarzan | ok | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: I'd propose we don't go that route | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ^^ | 16:53 |
| guitarzan | I don't like this idea, but I don't care enough to do anything about it | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I thnk that adds a bit of a mess | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: I want something less intimidating for none-admins... currently it is rather bad | 16:53 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I agree with that. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | it's bad enough I have to do things like novaclient, cinderclient, glanceclient, keystonclient | 16:53 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: yeah, nova had the exact same discussion in atlanta and it didn't go anywhere as far as I can tell | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | now if you double that I'm screwed :) | 16:53 |
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| guitarzan | all about the help text | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | Putting everything in one client is a lot more of a mess | 16:54 |
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| bswartz1 | horizon puts everything in one client and it works okay | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: maybe, I'd like to investigate the concept of a dynamic load | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | Maybe just require a --admin flag to clinder-client for it to mention admin things? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | even if it's just a deocrator/filter to start | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | We need to have a way of using the same client but changing what the users sees depedning on their role. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: hmm... well now that's actually a helpful start IMO | 16:54 |
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| DuncanT | bswartz1: Horizon hides non-admin things from non-admin people | 16:55 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 That is helpful. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's what I'm proposing here | 16:55 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: is decorator to restrict access or it also saves help text to be immited? | 16:55 |
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| navneet | *ommited | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | navneet: both | 16:55 |
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| joa | jungleboyj: +1; agreed, it's the simplest for the user. | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Environment variable that can be set for those of ust that are always wanting admin. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ? | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | I'm fine with keeping it all in one client if people prefer that... my issue is that simple usecases are hard to see the help for at the moment... anything that fixes that I'm ok with | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So you don't always have to do --admin | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think everyody agrees in principal with your goal | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah, got ya | 16:56 |
| hemna | the one advantage of having it as it is today, is that users can discover what admins can do, so if they need something done, they will ask the admin to do it for them. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Looks that way. Excellent. | 16:56 |
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| hemna | people don't read docs. | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: assuming we don't just get the whole shooting match right off the bat | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Google | 16:56 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, yah | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: the --admin would be a band-aid to just clean up interface IMO | 16:56 |
| navneet | jgriffith: change help texts to say its admin only | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | navneet: meh... maybe, but as I said, I'd like to look at filtering first | 16:57 |
| hemna | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | and go from there | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | The other thing we could do is change the help text to be more limited. For admins there is the 'help all' command that shows everything. | 16:57 |
| * DuncanT might put a PoC patch in (or get somebody on the team to do it, more likely) | 16:57 | |
| jgriffith | I dont' think anybody disagrees? | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds like a design session at the summit? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | There's always ways to do interim solutions to clean things up | 16:57 |
| navneet | jgriffith: no if we have it in one client and print all available commands... | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | navneet: I tink you missed the point | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: one more time... what I'm proposing is: | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | single client, filters based on users info | 16:58 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: maybe a discussion on the spec would suffice..? | 16:58 |
| navneet | jgriffith: ok..makes sense... | 16:58 |
| bswartz1 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | if you're creds are admin creds you get it all | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | if not, you just get what you have acces to | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:59 |
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| bswartz1 | that's what horizon does, the text client can do it too | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #topic RC | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | real quick | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | FF has come an gone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | I realize there are things in the pipeline | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | that's fine | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | but please don't ask for any more FFE's at this point | 17:00 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: date for RC1? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: when it's ready :) | 17:00 |
| bswartz1 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: could be a couple weeks | 17:00 |
| navneet | we have some bugs in the review pipeline | 17:00 |
| bswartz1 | Sept 25 according to the schedule | 17:00 |
| xyang1 | xyang1: ok | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | there's lots of bugs | 17:00 |
| navneet | chances of getitng them in? | 17:00 |
| thingee | time is up | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | targetted and in pipeline | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ok.. thanks everybody | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: we can talk more if you have other questions about that | 17:00 |
| AlkaD_ | thanks | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 17:01:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-10-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-10-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-10-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: Are you here? | 17:01 |
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| amotoki | Sukhdev: ? | 17:01 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 17:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki:sorry in wrong channel - | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
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| tjones | hi i suspect this meeting will be lightly attended today. we have another conflicting meeting at this time | 17:02 |
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| tjones | anyone here? | 17:02 |
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| tjones | listening.... | 17:04 |
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| thangp | o/ | 17:06 |
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| * thangp hears crickets | 17:07 | |
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| tjones | hi thangp - all the vmw folks are in another meeting today | 17:13 |
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| tjones | did you have anything you wanted to discuss? | 17:13 |
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| thangp | had a bug I think we need to get in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120309/ | 17:14 |
| thangp | trivialfix | 17:14 |
| thangp | it affects booting from volume on vmware | 17:14 |
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| thangp | i'm not sure if it will make it before kilo | 17:15 |
| thangp | i dont know what the policy is for bugs, since we are close to kilo right now | 17:15 |
| tjones | well we can get some reviews on it. I have not seen the error - and minesweeper does not hit it. | 17:15 |
| thangp | hmm...i ran into it yesterday, when i was looking at a different bug | 17:16 |
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| tjones | odd - seems like it should always occur | 17:16 |
| tjones | it's so simple - lets try | 17:16 |
| thangp | yeah... | 17:17 |
| tjones | we need to get a minesweeper run on it - i'll see why that has not happened | 17:18 |
| thangp | thx | 17:18 |
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| tjones | sure | 17:19 |
| tjones | thanks | 17:19 |
| thangp | np | 17:19 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 18:00:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-10-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-10-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 19:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| * portante lurking ... | 19:00 | |
| acoles | o/ | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| hurricanerix | hi | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | I'm just here for the free pizza | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | though it appears I have been misled | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | we should do something about htat | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | there's the agenda for this week | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | a few new things on it | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #topic general | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | nothing new for general info, so this will go fast | 19:01 |
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| zaitcev | okay | 19:02 |
| notmyname | sign up for the hackathon (don't forget flights and hotels) if you are going | 19:02 |
| peluse | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link http://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com/ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | likewise for the Paris summit | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | and continue to fill out and promote the OpenStack user survey to Swift clusters that you know of | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | the user survey is the way a lot of people measure swift (externally, and especially within the openstack community), so good participation there helps us all (both socially and to help us understand use cases) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | any other general things that anyone needs to bring up? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | before we move on to more focused stuff | 19:04 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient release schedule (?!?) | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | so just this morning I saw on the -dev mailing list some comments about a release deadline for client projects of Sept 16 | 19:05 |
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| torgomatic | don't we just push to pypi when we want to release the client? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | this was the first I heard of it, and kinda out of the normal way client projects are released (across all openstack projects) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: yes | 19:05 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: or actually, I tag it and -infra pushes it automagically | 19:06 |
| zaitcev | Well, I'm glad because it makes it easier for me to release Kodiak's fix in Rawhide. | 19:06 |
| notmyname | I think the reasons are to make sure new client features don't break integration for the juno release | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | and the point to all this is that I'll tag a python-swiftclient release on or shortly before the 16th to make sure the latest and greatest is included | 19:07 |
| notmyname | yikes. that's actually less that a week away. ok then | 19:08 |
| * notmyname just looked at a calendar | 19:08 | |
| zaitcev | There's a ton of fixes over 2.2.0, so it's all good | 19:08 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: yeah, I think it seems liek a reasonable time to cut a release anyway | 19:08 |
| notmyname | so know that it is coming :-) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | any questions or comments on that? | 19:09 |
| mattoliverau | should we make client reviews a priority then? | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | if you have any outstanding patch for swiftclient that should really be in the next release, let's get it on the priority reviews page | 19:09 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: AFAIK there isn't anything huge outstanding, so I'd still prefer to see progress on swift patches | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | k | 19:10 |
| notmyname | but, I also just found out about this deadline so I haven't seen what exactly is outstanding | 19:10 |
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| torgomatic | there's only one proposed client change that passes tests, has no negative reviews, and modifies python code | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | that's a short list :-) | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | I'll look at what's open and update the priority reviews page accordingly | 19:11 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to an ec update | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #topic ec update | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | peluse: last week we identified a patch that needed to land that was blocking the rest | 19:12 |
| notmyname | what's the status of it? | 19:12 |
| peluse | yup, torogomatic +2'd it yesterdfay. I need to tweak a few comments then will need another +2 it can land | 19:12 |
| notmyname | is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106910/ | 19:12 |
| notmyname | "Early framework for the EC Reconstructor" | 19:13 |
| peluse | so I'll drop a note in the channel when its ready again - yes | 19:13 |
| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106910/ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | thanks torgomatic and mattoliverau for reviewing it :-) | 19:13 |
| acoles | i'll try to look over that | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | acoles: great! | 19:13 |
| notmyname | peluse: anything else to report for EC status this week? | 19:14 |
| peluse | other than that, tsg has the fotter thing getting close I think, he went home sick so not sure he's on | 19:14 |
| peluse | footer | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:14 |
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| acoles | peluse: is the footer going with the multipart idea? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | I just had a conversation in the office today that could make use of that functionality outside of EC. something to work on after ec :-) | 19:15 |
| peluse | acoles, not sure exactly what you mean but will enable a generic 'footer/trailer' to go after a payload, will post link here in a sec | 19:15 |
| peluse | acoles, : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111562/ | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | acoles: yes, it's the multipart mime idea | 19:16 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ok just confirming my understanding of the comments on it so far | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | acoles: it's a little harder to parse than length-value encoding, but it extends to >2 documents much more easily | 19:17 |
| notmyname | good to do :-) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | anything else on EC or shall we move on? | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | we're only doing this because of HTTP's relatively poor support for streaming uploads, so we'd be ill-served to come up with something that doesn't stream well :) | 19:18 |
| peluse | not really, slow week :( | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | #topic tempest response codes patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117193/ | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117193/ | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | so a _lot_ of us were added as reviewers on that tempest patch | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure what the actual question is for this meeting, other than as of last night I got kinda frustrated with the conversation in gerrit | 19:19 |
| zaitcev | the discussion seems to settle onto a common understanding | 19:19 |
| notmyname | I think it would be good for other swift contributors to weigh in | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: well the last commenter still seems to want to block the patch | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | for those who haven't looked, here's the summary: | 19:20 |
| zaitcev | but, but, but... that means re-reading the api doc to find out what it says about 2xx ;_; | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | the linked patch changes tempest to look at response classes instead of explicit response codes. some tempest devs seem to be against it. the swift devs (who've commented) seem to be for it | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | so if you've got nothing to do and a shot of whisky available, feel free to jump in the conversation! ;-) | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | I'll leave the rest of that for gerrit instead of this meeting | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:23 |
| notmyname | several of the "priorities for juno" patches have landed this week! | 19:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: the keystone acls patch got approved! | 19:23 |
| acoles | yay! | 19:23 |
| chmouel | cool! | 19:24 |
| acoles | its like 24 hours away from merge though | 19:24 |
| peluse | nice! | 19:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: assuming no spurious jenkins failures :-) | 19:24 |
| acoles | peluse: cschwede: thanks for reviews | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I showed this list to ttx this week and he expressed concern that we'd be able to get all these landed in the next month in time for juno | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | also, the gate's at depth 131, which is just comical | 19:24 |
| acoles | and others along the way | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | so let's not let him think we can't get patches approved :-) | 19:25 |
| zaitcev | It may get worse as we close on Juno | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: I hope not, but you're likely to be correct | 19:26 |
| peluse | acoles, welcome!@ | 19:26 |
| zaitcev | bind_port is not a priority... okay. That's fine, we'll get it in eventually. | 19:26 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I took it off the list since it got approved | 19:26 |
| notmyname | it was on the list last week | 19:26 |
| notmyname | the corresponding triple-o patch landed too | 19:27 |
| zaitcev | oh, good | 19:27 |
| notmyname | acoles: looks like you're waiting for a response from gvernik about the migration patch | 19:28 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, thats been quiet since last week | 19:28 |
| gvernik | i am about to submit a patch...just improving the unittests | 19:28 |
| notmyname | gvernik: great! | 19:28 |
| acoles | i think its close | 19:28 |
| tdasilva | nice | 19:28 |
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| acoles | gvernik: hi, will look out for that | 19:29 |
| gvernik | acoles: thanks | 19:29 |
| notmyname | oh I want to add the new patch for policy descriptions from acoles to the priority list. fairly simple, but I think it's good for the user eperience of storage policies that people have if they first see SP in a juno release | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120424/ | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | done | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | are there any specific patches or other things you'd like to discuss here in the meeting this week? | 19:31 |
| mjseger | real quick 'activity' for the hackathon - pancake breakfast at parker's barn? | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | nothing comes to mind | 19:32 |
| mjseger | http://www.parkersmaplebarn.com/ | 19:32 |
| acoles | notmyname: donagh's keen for feedback on his spec for composite tokens | 19:32 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105228/ | 19:32 |
| * notmyname likes pancakes | 19:32 | |
| zaitcev | I won't have a car | 19:32 |
| tdasilva | just a quick reminder about the hackathon, if you are going and would like a t-shirt, email me the size | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | Pancakes are pure carbs. | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | I love japanese style crepes though. In secret. | 19:33 |
| mjseger | pancakes are bad for you BUT with each order you get your own little pitcher of pure maple syrup | 19:33 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: there's a mailing list thread about auto-abandoning patches. I didn't want to volunteer you, but if you want to talk about your script, that's the place :-0) | 19:33 |
| mjseger | thougth it might be nice excuse to go leaf peeping too, something new england is famous for that time of year, but I digress | 19:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for bringk that up | 19:33 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: thanks :) I'll give it a read | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | I'll look over that service token spec document this week | 19:34 |
| mattoliverau | I remember how agaist it they were at the mid-cycle... sigh | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | as always, the -spec documents are good things to review, just to we can keep feedback going | 19:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, but 134 deep gate queue now | 19:35 |
| notmyname | not that abandoning patches directly affects that, but I think they are still related | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | if you push it over 150, I think you win a plush teddy bear | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | wow, it seriously is 23 hours deep right now | 19:35 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | (we kinda were already there) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting this week? | 19:36 |
| dfg | oh- anybody look at the error limiter thing at all? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | dfg: got a link handy? | 19:36 |
| dfg | just curious | 19:36 |
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| dfg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112424/ | 19:37 |
| dfg | i should have put the link to that middleware in the comments | 19:37 |
| dfg | ok just did that | 19:37 |
| notmyname | seems clayg really likes it :-) | 19:37 |
| goodes | 2cents - requiring people to create an openstack identity in order to fill in the survey will probably discourage 80% of people within the first 20 seconds | 19:38 |
| dfg | i was talking to darrel bishop about that too. but don | 19:38 |
| notmyname | goodes: ya, I'm not a big fan of that either | 19:38 |
| dfg | 't know his nick | 19:38 |
| notmyname | dfg: swifterdarrell | 19:38 |
| dfg | oh ok | 19:39 |
| dfg | ok. well nm then. just wondering if anybody looked. | 19:39 |
| notmyname | dfg: so the basic idea is to use a local sqlite db instead of memcache for tracking error-limited? | 19:39 |
| dfg | ya | 19:40 |
| notmyname | wait. nm. error-limited wasn't in memcached. it was in local proxy server memory | 19:40 |
| notmyname | so what's the sqlite db give you? | 19:40 |
| * notmyname clearly hasn't looked at it :-/ | 19:41 | |
| dfg | all the workers share the data | 19:41 |
| notmyname | ah, yes. that would be good | 19:41 |
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| dfg | if its per worker then you don't get enough data imo | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | cool. I'll try to take a look this week. I hope others can too | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | I'll give it a review when I wake up :) | 19:43 |
| notmyname | dfg: thanks for bringing it up | 19:43 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone, or shall we adjourn early? | 19:43 |
| notmyname | ok, let's end early :-) | 19:44 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming! | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #nedmeeting | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 19:44:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-10-19.00.html | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-10-19.00.txt | 19:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-10-19.00.log.html | 19:44 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 20:02:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:02 |
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| mspreitz | o/ | 20:02 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:02 |
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| shardy | Hi all | 20:02 |
| tango | Hi | 20:02 |
| zaneb | does anybody want to chair this week? | 20:02 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:02 |
| zaneb | I have a cold & definitely not feeling it right now | 20:02 |
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| pas-ha | hi | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | one day I will go to a wiki page and not have to log in *again* | 20:03 |
| zaneb | one day. | 20:03 |
| ryansb | single sign on: where you sign on. Every. Single. Time. | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | I think there is a setting for that | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: excuse me while I go look for that right now | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | ryansb: #winning | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | ok, I can chair | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | #chair stevebaker | 20:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: stevebaker zaneb | 20:06 |
| zaneb | cheers | 20:06 |
| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-03-12.03.html | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | none! | 20:06 |
| zaneb | slackers | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-09-10_2000_UTC.29 | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | anythunk to add? | 20:07 |
| shardy | I wanted us all to sync on FFE's for Juno | 20:07 |
| zaneb | I guess a FFE update would be in order | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | already added that | 20:08 |
| zaneb | sneaky | 20:08 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Critical issues | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical issues (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:10 | |
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| stevebaker | I don't see any burning issues in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | nothing on fire, only smouldering | 20:11 |
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| ryansb | \o/ | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | #topic FFE status | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FFE status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:12 | |
| stevebaker | so anything left in juno-rc1 has an FFE | 20:12 |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 20:13 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: I bumped your update-cancel one to next, sorry | 20:13 |
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| pas-ha | np, I was indeed quite late | 20:13 |
| zaneb | the Low priority ones need to be in this week to make it | 20:14 |
| zaneb | the rest have until early next week | 20:14 |
| zaneb | I'm pretty sure we are very close to landing almost all of them | 20:14 |
| shardy | I was looking at one of asalkelds patches earlier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103484/ | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | 2 blueprints that I recall being deferred are https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/implement-autoscalinggroup-availabilityzones and ... | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | although I'd reaaly like you to check it, as I've ended up with a way to send arbitrary "signals" into a running thread | 20:14 |
| shardy | zaneb: I noticed you'd +2'd it recently, and I nearly approved it, then realized the BP wasn't targetted correctly | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-i18n | 20:15 |
| shardy | since we've not discussed FFE's on the list, I wasn't really sure (it's not targetted to RC1) | 20:15 |
| zaneb | shardy: what are stevebore-plugins anyway | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | shardy and I are stevebores | 20:16 |
| shardy | lol :) | 20:16 |
| zaneb | TBH I don't even regard that as blueprint-worthy. it's just a refactoring. I would really like that patch in though | 20:16 |
| zaneb | less excited about the rest of the series ;) | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | does anyone have strong feelings either way about implement-autoscalinggroup-availabilityzones? I commented the following on the bp | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | stevebaker: I think the spec and the change need some more review attention before this can land. I'm going to defer to Kilo. If you'd like to apply for a FFE then mail openstack-dev so we can discuss. The intention is to refactor the auto scaling unit tests during juno-rc1 so that it is less painful to add changes like this and blueprint decouple-nested. | 20:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, maybe we just get Angus to remove the typo commit tag then ;) | 20:16 |
| zaneb | meh, just ship it | 20:17 |
| jpeeler | honestly a url as a commit message body doesn't seem the best either | 20:17 |
| jpeeler | but i'm not gonna -1 on that... | 20:17 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I feel we are way late to merge implement-autoscalinggroup-availabilityzones | 20:18 |
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| mspreitz | I wish it were otherwise, but can not disagree | 20:18 |
| zaneb | the patch still needed a lot of work when I last saw it a week and a half ago | 20:18 |
| shardy | +1, lets defer and get in into early kilo | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ++ | 20:19 |
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| tango | Can we plead for code review for the patches on FFE? :) | 20:19 |
| zaneb | tango: yes, I think that's only fair ;) | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | tango, absolutely | 20:19 |
| shardy | And all the bugs targetted to RC1 which are in-progress, please :) | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | #action all to focus review attention to the 3 remaining blueprints on https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | anything else on FFE? | 20:21 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88548/ needs a comment from you | 20:21 |
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| zaneb | (that is all, carry on) | 20:22 |
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| pas-ha | yep, seen that, will implement "selective" update tomorrow, less disruptive going it is to be | 20:22 |
| * pas-ha yoda off | 20:22 | |
| stevebaker | #topic Integration tests | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: cool, a comment to that effect will help reviewers :) | 20:22 |
| shardy | stevebaker: This is interesting, I thought there was consensus re splitting stuff out of tempest, only then there wasn't based on ML discussions | 20:23 |
| shardy | stevebaker: do we have a clear way forward now? | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | shardy: damn the torpedoes? | 20:25 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Ha, +1 on that ;) | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | There is a desire for integration tests to all be in one place and a need for heat integration tests to be controlled by heat developers. This is one thing which needs to be resolved. | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | My last email on that thread proposed what I think we should do, which is | 20:26 |
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| shardy | While there is some truth to the communication on both sides thing, I hounded folks for reviews for months before finally completely losing the will to live re tempest | 20:27 |
| zaneb | write tests first. worry about where they should live later | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | heat_integrationtests is where integration tests are written and incubated. Minimal tests which just test integration with other openstack components get duplicated into tempest and get run on the integrated gate | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | shardy: did you know they had a section of their meeting dedicated to us? I had no idea | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | complex tests in heat_integrationtests eventually get full API mocking and get moved to a yet-to-be-created heat_functionaltests | 20:28 |
| shardy | zaneb: me neither, nobody ever mentioned it | 20:28 |
| zaneb | weird | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | new features don't land unless they at very least have something in heat_integrationtests | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | mtreinish, are you about by any chance? | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | so personally I don't see any blockers to continue reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110496/ etc while we figure all this out | 20:29 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: that may be a little excessive, depending on how you define 'feature' | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, well, I mean new resources | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | ah, ok | 20:30 |
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| mtreinish | stevebaker: yes, what's up? | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker | mtreinish, we're just discussing heat integration tests, functional tests, and tempest | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | mtreinish, did you see my last email on that thread? I've suggested heat_integrationtests is where integration tests are written and incubated. Minimal tests which just test integration with other openstack components get duplicated into tempest and get run on the integrated gate | 20:32 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: FWIW, I think the most urgent thing is real coverage of actual scenarios, e.g integration between resources and several underlying services | 20:33 |
| shardy | e.g scenario tests where we've failed to get any real traction in tempest | 20:33 |
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| mtreinish | stevebaker: that sounds fine, I think the criteria for what gets run as part of tempest will evolve over time | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | because we have such limited coverage right now, it's hard to know what will be a good fit | 20:34 |
| shardy | The functional tests for resources thing sounds like a nice-to-have, but mostly should be covered by unit tests (I mean "unit") atm | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | but starting with minimal tests for basic integration is a good place to start | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | as soon as the first change in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/functional-tests,n,z lands I'll flatten the others in the series so they depend on master | 20:36 |
| shardy | stevebaker: are we waiting on any non-heat patches to make us actually gate on these? | 20:36 |
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| mtreinish | stevebaker: I also liked the comment at the end about metric based graduation. That's something I've been working on, getting longer term per test data out of the gate. | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | shardy, I just need an approve on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116533/ from someone awesome like clarkb | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | that will probably do for now, any other comments on integration tests? | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | I need to do the school run, so my need to leave y'all to it | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | \o thanks stevebaker | 20:41 |
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| ryansb | \o stevebaker | 20:41 |
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| pas-ha | Just running unittests and seeing this "instance_user" option warning. Should we have already removed it? | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | that warning should be mocked out | 20:41 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, not since recently again | 20:42 |
| shardy | But yes, we probably should given that the warning says to be removed in Juno | 20:42 |
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| shardy | shadower is probably not around, but I think he added that warning | 20:42 |
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| shardy | I'll check with him tomorrow and post a patch removing the option if there's no objections? | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | ok, if nobody has other business, I'm going to wrap it up | 20:46 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting heat | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 20:50:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-10-20.02.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-10-20.02.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-10-20.02.log.html | 20:50 |
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