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| yamahata | hi | 05:00 |
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| s3wong | hello | 05:00 |
| s3wong | yamahata: seems like bmelande is online | 05:01 |
| bmelande | Yes I am here. Hi all! | 05:01 |
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| yamahata | s3wong, bmelande great | 05:01 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 05:02:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:02 |
| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | Now neutron has feature freeze for rc1 | 05:02 |
| yamahata | the planning for the next summit is going on | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | regarding to reference implementation of routervm, I'm still working on it. | 05:04 |
| yamahata | Sorry for slow progress. | 05:04 |
| yamahata | Do you have any announcement? | 05:04 |
| bmelande | That summit topic list is really long | 05:05 |
| s3wong | Looking at the topics in etherpad, it seems like again at most there will only be one or two features going into Kilo... | 05:05 |
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| yamahata | yeah... | 05:06 |
| s3wong | most of the stuff is spilling over from Juno, or Icehouse, or Havana, or Grizzly... | 05:06 |
| yamahata | do we want to push routervm and firewallvm to it? | 05:06 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Yes, sadly neutron in a nutshell. | 05:06 |
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| s3wong | from the ML, the format will be different this time | 05:07 |
| yamahata | anyway we can have ad-hoc meetings in paris. | 05:07 |
| s3wong | there will be way less dedicated design sessions | 05:07 |
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| yamahata | #topic summit planning | 05:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit planning (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:07 | |
| s3wong | pods, and Friday's "contributor meetings" will probably be it | 05:07 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: Yes, let's fit some meetings about service vm there. | 05:09 |
| yamahata | s3wong: that's same to my understanding. | 05:09 |
| yamahata | I had also a contact for similar goal. | 05:10 |
| yamahata | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/tcs-fwaas-netconf-host-plugin | 05:10 |
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| yamahata | Their goal is firewall vm in a word. | 05:10 |
| yamahata | One of their engineer will go to Paris, I heard. | 05:11 |
| yamahata | bmelande: Sure, let's do so. | 05:11 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: yes, I think we can put it in etherpad | 05:12 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: So far I haven't looked at firewall side yet. Do you have any requirement for firewall? | 05:12 |
| s3wong | service vm, that is | 05:12 |
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| s3wong | but honestly given the slots, and the number of topics already on there, I am not too optimistic that it will make it --- likely we will try to grab a pod session | 05:13 |
| s3wong | internally we should also discuss f2f in Paris what our goal is for Kilo | 05:13 |
| yamahata | s3wong: +1, sounds like practical good plan | 05:14 |
| yamahata | a pod session | 05:14 |
| bmelande | s3wong: +1 | 05:14 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: well, first thing first, let's put the topic on etherpad :-) | 05:15 |
| s3wong | maybe it will be selected | 05:15 |
| yamahata | #action everyone put the topics on etherpad | 05:15 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Sridar K in our team is working on fw on CSR. There are no new reqs wrt it. | 05:15 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: good. we can also discuss on those in paris. I'd like to understand it. | 05:17 |
| s3wong | bmelande: yes, we should see if our framework can satisfy other services as well | 05:17 |
| s3wong | bmelande: the more services using our framework, the better | 05:17 |
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| bmelande | yes, how to handle multi services in the same device is worth discussing and looking into. | 05:19 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 05:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:19 | |
| s3wong | bmelande: yes, absolutely | 05:19 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: yeah, you are ahead, so there are so many we can learn from you | 05:20 |
| bmelande | Glad you have that illusion. :-) | 05:21 |
| s3wong | bmelande: your code landed in Juno :-) | 05:21 |
| s3wong | bmelande: hopefully we can factor it out as generic device mgmt framework for all service VMs | 05:22 |
| bmelande | Yes, we were really, really lucky. | 05:22 |
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| yamahata | I hope refectoring patch would be easy to be accepted. | 05:22 |
| bmelande | s3wong: but what got it was a stripped down version where took away a lot of things. | 05:23 |
| s3wong | bmelande: still great --- this is normal procedure in OpenStack anyway :-) | 05:23 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: moving forward, what is our goal? Do you want tacker to eventually merge back to Neutron? | 05:24 |
| yamahata | bmelande: start small and grow it. It's quite common practice. | 05:24 |
| s3wong | if so, we may want to pay attention to Neutron incubator... | 05:24 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: I think merging back the project to neutron is difficult, given recent situation. | 05:24 |
| yamahata | I don't care if It's dependent project or in neutron. | 05:25 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Yes I think so too. | 05:25 |
| yamahata | It's a implementation detail. | 05:25 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I actually agree. I am in the group-based policy (GBP) subteam - I guess everyone knows our frustration there... | 05:25 |
| yamahata | The essential goal is to promote servicevm conecpt and implentation. | 05:25 |
| yamahata | The implementation itself is not goal. Just a way. | 05:26 |
| bmelande | For now probably most important is to keep tacker on Neutron radar so people knows about it and to make clear what people can excpect for kilo, then make sure to deliver that. | 05:26 |
| s3wong | bmelande: +1 | 05:27 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: yamahata is so upset that he quitted the meeting :-) | 05:28 |
| bmelande | s3wong: :-) | 05:28 |
| yamahata | Oops. wifi was unstable | 05:28 |
| yamahata | sorry | 05:28 |
| yamahata | #char s3wong bmelande | 05:29 |
| yamahata | #chair s3wong bmelande | 05:29 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bmelande s3wong yamahata | 05:29 |
| s3wong | yamahata: it is OK, we only have one minute left anyway :-) | 05:29 |
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| yamahata | Did I miss something important? | 05:30 |
| yamahata | Do we have any other items? | 05:30 |
| s3wong | yamahata: no, you came back quickly, and didn't miss much | 05:30 |
| yamahata | thanks, it's time up. | 05:31 |
| yamahata | see you next week. | 05:31 |
| s3wong | see you guys next week. Thanks! | 05:31 |
| bmelande | Ok, let's put items on the ehterpatd | 05:31 |
| bmelande | Bye! | 05:31 |
| yamahata | bye | 05:31 |
| s3wong | bmelande: yes | 05:31 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 05:31:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-16-05.02.html | 05:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-16-05.02.txt | 05:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-16-05.02.log.html | 05:32 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 15:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | o/ | 15:00 |
| bauzas | n0ano: oops | 15:00 |
| bauzas | #chair n0ano | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas n0ano | 15:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
| n0ano | NP, you can run it\ | 15:01 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, I'm not sure we will have people here | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 15:01 |
| bauzas | awesome | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | I just didn't think there was much to discuss this week and I don't like meetings for meetings sake but if there's people who want to talk that's fine | 15:01 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah I know | 15:02 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, did jay do his write-up? | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes is not here yet | 15:02 |
| n0ano | haven't seen it yet, I pinged him yesterday and haven't heard back yet | 15:02 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: and I don't think he did had time | 15:02 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, I know the feeling - its been a hard week for me - will lighten up and looking forward to contributing a bit more | 15:03 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: no worries | 15:03 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, theres ~1000 bugs we can all look at :-) | 15:03 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: as Nova is in FF, all the patches are just for working on Kilo | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: that said, as the level of changes is really high, these extra weeks are worth it | 15:04 |
| bauzas | ok, let's start | 15:04 |
| bauzas | #topic Gantt status | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | so, we all were on previous meeting | 15:04 |
| bauzas | if someone lurking here and wants to know what's the plan, let's ping here | 15:05 |
| bauzas | ok, assuming everybody is aware that we decided to work on objectify the dicts | 15:06 |
| bauzas | and provide claims on Scheduler too | 15:06 |
| bauzas | so, most of my week is currently busy on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119807/ | 15:06 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, is any objects work going to get through in FF? | 15:07 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: all the patches will have to be merged by Kilo | 15:07 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: unless it's a critical bug | 15:07 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm not sure we can land any patch by Juno now | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | +1 | 15:08 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I know you worked on the ComputeNode object | 15:08 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, that's what I thought - just checking | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | all part of developement will be faster once we split out gantt | 15:08 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: yep, understood. I'm just saying that ComputeNode object is far from being ready for being used | 15:08 |
| bauzas | by saying that, I mean that this object is missing some fields and has a nested object too | 15:09 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, you had started a patch on CN - do you want me to take it over | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | so, as I said, I'm working on removing the nested Service object, and will have to work on adding the missing fields, like the pci_devices fields IIRC | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: any help is welcomed, in particular as you worked on the CN object yet | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: the above patch ^ is about removing the Service object dependency | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: most of the work is already done except unittests modifications, I wanted to see if Tempest was happy or not | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: your help will probably be good if you could resume my previous work on the missing fields | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, ok , will do | 15:12 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/97837 - Add missing fields to ComputeNode object | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | ^here I tried to look at what was missing in the CN object | 15:12 |
| bauzas | of course, it needs a huge rebase | 15:12 |
| bauzas | as you understand both, these tasks are preliminary but mandatory for using the CN object | 15:13 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, I'll do it - I'll split it to a patch for each field | 15:13 |
| bauzas | once the CN object being fixed (hoping in early Kilo), we will be able to modify the update_resource_stats() method and pass an Object instead of a stats dict | 15:14 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: +1 | 15:14 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, the supported instances is done wrong in ironic and needs special attention | 15:14 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: could you just rebase on my above patch too ? | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: because I'm changing the CN object alot | 15:14 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: that Service dependency was pretty strong | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: and it was impossible to cut it without modifying all implicated methods | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, ok - meaybe we can talk tomorrow morning about how to coordinate that | 15:15 |
| bauzas | strong +1 here | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, don't want to send n0ano to sleep | 15:15 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:15 |
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| n0ano | huh, what, did you say something :-) | 15:15 |
| bauzas | eh, I hope that n0ano is enough caffeinated | 15:15 |
| n0ano | working on my second cup, I'm good | 15:16 |
| bauzas | awesome | 15:16 |
| bauzas | so, that's basically the plan | 15:16 |
| bauzas | I'm really worried about the required level of changes needed for having the CN object usable | 15:16 |
| bauzas | that means we absolutely need to get these changes by Kilo-1 | 15:17 |
| bauzas | if we want to work on the next steps | 15:17 |
| bauzas | wrt all the talks about the Kilo process, I'm really concerned about the timeframe and the support we'll get for Kilo | 15:17 |
| bauzas | in particular if slots are implemented | 15:17 |
| n0ano | I'm not a believer in slots, I think that's just a coarse way to slow down progress but we'll see | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: maybe you know my opinion... | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah, I'm -2 on slots | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | but that's not the place here for discussing that :) | 15:19 |
| n0ano | good news is I have people who want to work on gantt so we have some development resources available, we just need well defined, specific tasks for them. | 15:19 |
| bauzas | #action PaulMurray and bauzas to coordinate on ComputeNode modifications needed for the split | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: based on my previous experience with Juno, we will perhaps need more involvement than just committers | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but any help is good to take | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: long story short, we don't need committers, we need reviewers | 15:20 |
| n0ano | I think we have a silent majority of people who want gantt so we have more support than you think, core reviewers unfortunately will be an issue | 15:21 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's my thought | 15:21 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we don't have a contributors issue | 15:21 |
| bauzas | n0ano: and if we have slots in Kilo, we will only have core support for a certain amount of time | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | anyway | 15:22 |
| bauzas | any other things to discuss about the split ? | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | can I move forward and raise the open topic ? | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | silent majority, any question to ask ? | 15:23 |
| n0ano | go for it | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | #topic Open discussion | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | so | 15:23 |
| bauzas | just wanted to make sure everybody is aware of what will happen for the Summit ? | 15:24 |
| bauzas | ie. the new Summit agenda ? | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | by Summit, I mean "Design Summit" of course | 15:24 |
| PaulMurray | what will happen? | 15:24 |
| n0ano | I thought we were still debating that | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I think the main consensus has been reached, hence my discussion | 15:25 |
| n0ano | then what's your take on it | 15:25 |
| bauzas | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 15:26 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: ^ | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | thanks | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I want to make sure everybody can review the proposals for Day 2 and 3 | 15:26 |
| bauzas | so basically let me summarize | 15:27 |
| bauzas | Day 1 will be for cross-projects discussion | 15:27 |
| bauzas | => Gantt can claim for a call here | 15:27 |
| PaulMurray | +1 | 15:27 |
| n0ano | indeed | 15:27 |
| bauzas | Day 2 and Day 3 will be about project important discussions | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics is the etherpad for tracking these topics | 15:28 |
| bauzas | for Nova I mean | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | so, while we could discuss on Gantt for the day 1, we will only discuss about the sched split in Day 2 and Day 3 | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | ie. what should be the scheduler in the next future | 15:28 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: feel free to review the above etherpad and leave comments if so | 15:29 |
| PaulMurray | ok | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | a little cart before the horse, we really need to work out the split before we get concerned about future uses | 15:29 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: I just put the motto "scheduler split" and I'm happy to see debates about it there | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: agreed | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that said, I think we need to at least restate our concern | 15:30 |
| n0ano | +1 | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I'm still wondering how Cinder or Neutron are scheduling | 15:30 |
| n0ano | this also keeps the scheduler issues at the front of everyone's mind | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: any guidance from these folks would be good here | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | cinder basically re-implemented the nova scheduler, I talked to the Cinder PTL, he is completely on board with gantt | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: here comes Neutron... | 15:31 |
| n0ano | (the cinder PTL is lives 30 miles away from me, we had coffee together one morngin) | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that said, a very quick glance on the Cinder code didn't showed me same classes or the same RT model | 15:32 |
| * bauzas wishes having Teleportals like in Star-Trek | 15:32 | |
| n0ano | they did their re-implementation a long time ago, the two schedulers have divered | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's my understanding | 15:32 |
| n0ano | s/divered/diverged | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so that's not an easy backport | 15:33 |
| n0ano | but their goals are close enough that a single scheduler should work | 15:33 |
| bauzas | at least, we need to know their concepts | 15:33 |
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| bauzas | anyway | 15:33 |
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| bauzas | back to the Summit discussion | 15:33 |
| bauzas | Day 4 is still obscure to me | 15:33 |
| n0ano | I believe nova sched is a superset of cinder, converging should be do able, but anyway | 15:33 |
| PaulMurray | this sounds like the theme of day 1 | 15:34 |
| PaulMurray | understanding projects' needs | 15:34 |
| bauzas | Day 4 seems to be a non-formal mode of discussions | 15:35 |
| bauzas | ie. no time, just a big meetup | 15:35 |
| n0ano | day 4 sounds as if it's like minded people get together | 15:35 |
| bauzas | yeah, like BoFs or pods | 15:35 |
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| n0ano | e.g. just the gantt people on day 4, everyone argues things on day 2&3 | 15:35 |
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| bauzas | I was seeing this as a possible use of pods | 15:36 |
| bauzas | day 4 is just a big pod | 15:36 |
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| PaulMurray | looks like day 1-3 = discussion, day 4 = decide actions | 15:36 |
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| n0ano | seems like we'll be stuffing a `lot` of discussions in days 2&3 | 15:36 |
| bauzas | ie. people can come in and leave | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I agree | 15:37 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I don't think so | 15:37 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, no? | 15:37 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm seeing day 2 and day 3 as the same kind of talks we had from the previous summits (ie. a 60-min topic debated) | 15:37 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: where actions can be taken | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: while day 4 is just a pure brainmind | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: ie. something for discussing what's coming in on a non-formal mode | 15:38 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I guess it depends on the topic | 15:38 |
| bauzas | so, about what can be related to Gantt, I think it's covered by the etherpad for day 2-3 | 15:38 |
| bauzas | that said, I can't see any info about day 1 | 15:39 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I was thinking about the api versioning topic last time | 15:39 |
| bauzas | so, if we want to talk about Gantt in day 1, we need to make sure we'll be able to | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | ok, I think I'm done on my side | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | any other things to discuss ? | 15:41 |
| n0ano | I'm good | 15:41 |
| bauzas | k | 15:41 |
| bauzas | closing the call then | 15:42 |
| bauzas | see you all | 15:42 |
| PaulMurray | bye | 15:42 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone | 15:42 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: feel free to ping me tomorrow | 15:42 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, will do | 15:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 15:42:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-16-15.00.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-16-15.00.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-16-15.00.log.html | 15:42 |
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| msdubov_ | #startmeeting rally | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 17:02:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is msdubov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:02 |
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| k4n0 | Hi o/ | 17:03 |
| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, rediskin, oanufriev, temujin, k4n0, Good evening, guys | 17:03 |
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| coolsvap | hello | 17:03 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami Hi :) | 17:03 |
| andreykurilin | hi! | 17:03 |
| k4n0 | Good evening all | 17:03 |
| olkonami | hi | 17:03 |
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| msdubov_ | Okay so before we start | 17:03 |
| oanufriev | komichiwa | 17:03 |
| msdubov_ | I'd like to remind people who are not in Rally team but who are reading us that we have a Trello board: https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally | 17:04 |
| msdubov_ | It is full of easy tasks which you could take to start contributing to Rally | 17:04 |
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| msdubov_ | So you're welcome | 17:04 |
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| msdubov_ | Let's go through a number of topics now | 17:04 |
| msdubov_ | #topic Plugins | 17:05 |
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| olkonami | are not ready :( | 17:05 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami How are things with your work on that? | 17:05 |
| olkonami | I had trouble with the bug | 17:05 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Okay, can we help you somehow with that? | 17:05 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, Be sure to contact the core team of Rally, so that you're not stuck for a long time at one point | 17:06 |
| olkonami | with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1368666 now I find how to avoid it | 17:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368666 in rally "keystoneclient v2 fails" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, any progress with that? What's your thoughts on why it happens? | 17:08 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, I remember rediskin mentioning the same bug, perhaps he's the right person to contact | 17:08 |
| olkonami | it happens when "use_public_urls" in config set to true and than we have endpoint something like 'endpoint': 'http://172.18.194.181:35357/v2.0/' | 17:09 |
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| oanufriev | olkonami: what happens if you curl http://172.18.194.181:35357/v2.0/ | 17:10 |
| oanufriev | ? | 17:10 |
| olkonami | oanufriev: 404, it is not valid url | 17:11 |
| olkonami | the reason of bug is here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/osclients.py#L104 | 17:11 |
| olkonami | but I haven't fixed it yet because I don't understand exactly what behavior should we have there | 17:12 |
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| msdubov_ | olkonami, Could you then post an updated version of your patch, so that we could test it? | 17:13 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Too hard to speak about that in theory | 17:14 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Because it is not very obvious what's the actual problem with the plugins then | 17:14 |
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| olkonami | I finally able to run my plugins, but all of them fail, seems like we have a lot of changes in logic | 17:15 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Rebase issues?) | 17:15 |
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| msdubov_ | Yep, might be | 17:15 |
| msdubov_ | in any case better make an update of your patch to attract more attention to it | 17:16 |
| olkonami | It doesn't seems to be a rebase issues | 17:16 |
| olkonami | I will make update when fix fails | 17:16 |
| msdubov_ | olkonami, Okay! | 17:16 |
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| msdubov_ | Let's move forward now | 17:16 |
| msdubov_ | #topic CLI improvements | 17:16 |
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| msdubov_ | Last week, we started working on a nice doc with CLI improvement proposals: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1iZa9V8C3Z09JTC3x2MGpBq-FEszwRmVCYoxCbN1zHgo/edit#heading=h.cd7fv0p8e3fk | 17:17 |
| msdubov_ | First of all, it surely needs to be extended | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | Secondly, I've started making trello tasks out of the issues pointed out in the doc | 17:18 |
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| * k4n0 checks google doc | 17:19 | |
| msdubov_ | The task No.2 went to penguinRaider (seems he is currently offline) | 17:19 |
| msdubov_ | coolsvap, ping | 17:19 |
| k4n0 | I am working on task 4 | 17:19 |
| coolsvap | msdubov_, hey | 17:19 |
| msdubov_ | k4n0, Yes, great! | 17:20 |
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| msdubov_ | coolsvap, I just wanted to ask you if you were so kind to take the CLI improvement task No.7 from the Google doc! | 17:20 |
| msdubov_ | coolsvap, I've described it in more detail here: https://trello.com/c/2t1WZA88/226-medium-cli-print-friendly-message-in-case-of-db-model-inconsistency | 17:20 |
| msdubov_ | coolsvap, Seems like not very difficult to implement, but also not trivial as well | 17:21 |
| coolsvap | msdubov_, I am opening the doc, you can assign me | 17:21 |
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| msdubov_ | coolsvap, Better read the trello link! | 17:21 |
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| msdubov_ | coolsvap, And if you're ready to work on it, please assign yourself in Trello | 17:22 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, please add me to trello board (rkanade@redhat.com) | 17:23 |
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| msdubov_ | k4n0, Done, please check | 17:24 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, thanks, works | 17:25 |
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| msdubov_ | coolsvap, Are you registered on Rally Trello board as well? | 17:25 |
| coolsvap | msdubov_, yes I do | 17:25 |
| msdubov_ | coolsvap, Great, so please assign yourself to the task | 17:25 |
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| coolsvap | msdubov_, done! | 17:25 |
| msdubov_ | coolsvap, Thanks! | 17:25 |
| msdubov_ | As for me, I hope I'll do some work on CLI this week as well | 17:26 |
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| msdubov_ | E.g. I wanted to make the "rally info" command more flexible (more options / missspelling handling - see the Trello board) | 17:26 |
| msdubov_ | Any questions? | 17:26 |
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| msdubov_ | On the CLI topic | 17:27 |
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| oanufriev | no | 17:28 |
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| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Just to finish the CLI topic, could you share what you've done on CLI functional testing? | 17:29 |
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| oanufriev | moment please | 17:29 |
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| oanufriev | there is a ptch on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118714/ | 17:30 |
| oanufriev | in this patch i've implemented all points from this blueptint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/tests-integrated | 17:31 |
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| oanufriev | so... waiting for review | 17:31 |
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| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Will do, andreykurilin, k4n0, olkonami Please take a look at it as well! | 17:31 |
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| k4n0 | Sure | 17:32 |
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| msdubov_ | #topic Docs | 17:32 |
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| msdubov_ | oanufriev, And please tell others about your second patch on docs generation | 17:32 |
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| oanufriev | well... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120794/ | 17:33 |
| oanufriev | in this patch i implemented 2 scripts | 17:33 |
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| oanufriev | in rally docs we have samples directory | 17:34 |
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| oanufriev | samples, at most, are in json and yaml files, and sometimes rst | 17:34 |
| oanufriev | the goal was to automatically generate rst docs from samples during gating | 17:35 |
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| msdubov_ | oanufriev, Thanks, so that has to be reviewed as well | 17:36 |
| msdubov_ | k4n0, olkonami, andreykurilin ^ | 17:36 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, ack | 17:36 |
| msdubov_ | In addition to that, I'm still working on adding a step-by-step tutorial on how Rally works to the docs. | 17:36 |
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| msdubov_ | So that it will be pretty easy for newcomers to go through our readthedocs website | 17:37 |
| msdubov_ | #topic Free discussion | 17:38 |
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| msdubov_ | boris-42 Hi :) | 17:38 |
| msdubov_ | Great you're here | 17:38 |
| andreykurilin | I want to discuss one bug | 17:38 |
| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Yes, go ahead | 17:39 |
| andreykurilin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1305991 | 17:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1305991 in rally "there is no method MagicMock.assert_called_once() " [High,Fix released] | 17:39 |
| andreykurilin | this bug was fixed several times | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ hi thank you for meeting | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ I mean organizing it | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | flaper87|afk ping* | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin | but we should reopen it again( | 17:40 |
| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Where did it appear last time? | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin | one moment | 17:40 |
| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, So we've merged a patch that had this issue, that's sad | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin | we have several places | 17:40 |
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| andreykurilin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/112247/ | 17:41 |
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| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Could you please make a task on Trello and paste this to the description? | 17:42 |
| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, We'll let then somebody fix that | 17:42 |
| andreykurilin | my proposal to use HACKING rules to check such issues | 17:42 |
| andreykurilin | like in nova | 17:42 |
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| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Yep we should discuss how to avoid that in future | 17:42 |
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| msdubov_ | boris-42, Any thoughts? | 17:42 |
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| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Re-opened the bug | 17:44 |
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| andreykurilin | msdubov_, I will add new task in trello to fix this problem, but I don't think that this is last time when we missed such usage of mock in tests | 17:45 |
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| msdubov_ | andreykurilin, Yes, that's why I agree with you that we shall add a check for this issue in gates | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin you are talking about assert mock? | 17:47 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42 yes | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin ya we need to re-open bug | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin and add hacking rule | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin I think we should talk with jogo | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin cause in Nova they faced the similar stuff and they are thinking about adding hacking rule | 17:47 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121726/ :) | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin ah great | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin so actually I would prefer some more strong check | 17:48 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: ? more strong? | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin e.g. if it begin with "assert_*" then it should be one of "assert_*" methods that can be used | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin like we have set of ["assert_*"] methods | 17:49 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42, hm... | 17:49 |
| andreykurilin | agreed | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | assert_caled_with, assert_called_once_with, assert_any_call ... | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin ^ | 17:50 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42, Looks like it makes sense | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ andreykurilin okay so we can do our hacking rule for that | 17:50 |
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| msdubov_ | Perhaps any other topics to discuss before we finish? | 17:51 |
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| tzabal | msdubov_ may I ask for something? | 17:52 |
| msdubov_ | tzabal, Sure | 17:52 |
| tzabal | msdubov_ I would like if it is possible for some attention to the vm benchmarking topic | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | tzabal I will review your patches | 17:53 |
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| tzabal | boris-42 thanks | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | tzabal sorry about that I am just finished my trip=) | 17:53 |
| tzabal | boris-42 no problem | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | tzabal so I was off-line for some time | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | tzabal but yep wee need deffinilty to review your sutff | 17:53 |
| msdubov_ | tzabal, Will review as well | 17:53 |
| tzabal | boris-42 dont't worry about that, I think I am just stuck in gates | 17:53 |
| tzabal | boris-42 for this reason i am asking for some second thoughts | 17:54 |
| tzabal | i cant make the blogbench scenario pass the check, while in my local environment it finishes successfully | 17:54 |
| msdubov_ | tzabal, Yes, I saw your message about that you have different errors all the time | 17:54 |
| msdubov_ | tzabal, I mean in gates | 17:54 |
| tzabal | msdubov_ exactly | 17:54 |
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| tzabal | msdubov_ i can provide you witht the debug log of this task that I run locally and shows that it actually works | 17:55 |
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| msdubov_ | tzabal, It may help | 17:55 |
| tzabal | msdubov_ nice | 17:55 |
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| msdubov_ | Okay seems like we are almost out of time | 17:56 |
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| msdubov_ | Before we finish, I'd like to remind one more time people who are interested in starting contributing to Rally that we have a Trello board, full of relatively easy tasks to start with: https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ thanks mike | 17:57 |
| msdubov_ | If you're taking one of these, please contact either me or boris-42 and assign yourself there | 17:58 |
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| msdubov_ | Okay, guys, see you later | 17:58 |
| msdubov_ | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 17:58:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-16-17.02.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-16-17.02.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-16-17.02.log.html | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time of the week again. | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| raildo | \o | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| rharwood | o/ | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:02 |
| bknudson | no jamielennox | 18:02 |
| bknudson | no dolphm? | 18:02 |
| henrynash | let’s start with a song? | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i dolphm is unavailable i think. | 18:02 |
| bknudson | henrynash has to get ready to vote for scotland | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | ..my old man’s a dustman, ‘ee wears a dustman’s hat… | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 18:02:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| henrynash | bknudson: don’t get no vote | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | Welcome! | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC1 (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| morganfainberg | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | We're getting close. Please, Please, review the open reviews and lets get these bugs through the gate | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | erm bug fixes | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | If there are any bugs missing from the LP list please target them to the milestone and let lbragstad, dstanek, or myself know so we can get it added to the gist | 18:04 |
| rodrigods | me and raildo put a topic about HM release in the meeting, but seems to be the right time to talk about it =) | 18:05 |
| marekd | o/ | 18:05 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, Now that hirarchical projects is on a branch and is being reviewed, it still come into Juno, ie, it must be approved until the release of juno-3? | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, we can also circle back at the end with dedicate topic for that if you wnat. | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | raildo, it can be approved at anytime since it is on the feature branch | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | raildo, it wont be in the official Juno release though. | 18:06 |
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| rodrigods | we are concerned because we really want it to enter before Kilo | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, but it can let us get it into the tree and available for testing / working with it so we can get it merged into the master branch early in K | 18:07 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: the feature freeze past quite a while ago | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | rodrigods, the reason we put it on a feature branch is so we can get that in w/o needing to rush it for the Juno release. | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, yeah, so dolphm created the branch and we lost control about its release =( | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | rodrigods, it was put on the feature branch because it likely wasn't going to land before feature freeze and it's a big change. | 18:08 |
| raildo | dstanek, when we create a branch for hierarchical projects, I had a feeling it would get in Juno. | 18:08 |
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| dstanek | rodrigods: i think that's because it was being pushed until after Juno because of time constraints and the progress at the time | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ++ | 18:09 |
| henrynash | so on rc1 defects in general: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121246/ is ready to go I think | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, great! | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, morganfainberg, ok, that just wasn't clear to us... bug ok =) | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | but* | 18:10 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, ok, thanks for the explanation. | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | rodrigods, raildo, we should get it merged on the feature branch soon, cores please review if possible, so we can merge it over to K early on | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, I appreciate that, thanks | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | giving most of the cycle to get other projects that want to use it the ability to do so | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | ok moving on. | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | ok | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Client and middleware releases corresponding with Juno by Thursday, September 18th | 18:12 |
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| raildo | the Nova fols, is already developing based on our code, but let's moving on | 18:12 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | All fixes etc need to be complete and in the tree by Sept. 18 | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | this is so we can make sure we're releasing the appropriate middleware and client with Juno. | 18:13 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: we need to make sure the requirements are synced before the release. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 18:13 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: ouch…need to push up teh endpoint policy clien linb stuff | 18:13 |
| bknudson | so that we don't have oslo.config>=1.4.0.0a3 | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, lets make sure we have that on the radar (bug / etc) as needed | 18:13 |
| bknudson | it should be oslo.config>=1.5.0.0 or whatever they call it. | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, if you don't mind. | 18:14 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: you are talking fetaures of bugs only? | 18:14 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: want me to open a bug? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, please do. | 18:14 |
| bknudson | ok | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, anything that needs to be in middleware or client, needs to be merged by the 18th | 18:14 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: ack. | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, it means we don't miss it for some silly reason (since it'll be tagged to the milestone) | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | again for the blocking reviews on all the Identity projects | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic OPW | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | vkmc, Tahmina, o/ | 18:16 |
| Tahmina | o/ | 18:16 |
| vkmc | hi all o/ | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | the floor is yours. | 18:16 |
| vkmc | thanks morganfainberg | 18:16 |
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| vkmc | earlier today I joined #openstack-keystone to ask if someone is interested in becoming a mentor for the next OPW round | 18:17 |
| Tahmina | thanks morganfainberg | 18:17 |
| vkmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen | 18:17 |
| vkmc | OpenStack has been participating for two years now, with really great results | 18:17 |
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| vkmc | its a great experience for both mentor and mentee, and it doesn't take too much from the mentors | 18:17 |
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| vkmc | Tahmina joined us last week with a proposal for Keystone | 18:18 |
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| vkmc | Tahmina, feel free to let them know about you and your proposal :) | 18:18 |
| topol | vkmc what are the requirements for mentors? | 18:18 |
| Tahmina | Hi everyone I am Tahmina Ahmed | 18:18 |
| topol | just ATC or you want cores? | 18:18 |
| vkmc | topol, just ATC | 18:19 |
| Tahmina | I am a phd student at UTSA | 18:19 |
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| Tahmina | thanks vkmc for introducing me | 18:19 |
| topol | Hi | 18:19 |
| Tahmina | I am verymuch interested about openstack and opw | 18:19 |
| Tahmina | I have a theoretical model for access control that I want to implement for any cloud IaaS and openstack is the best choice for me | 18:20 |
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| Tahmina | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen/Ideas#Keystone_-_Implementation_of_Attribute_and_Graph_Based_Access_Control_Model_.28AGBAC.29_for_Openstack | 18:20 |
| Tahmina | Here is my proposal | 18:20 |
| henrynash | vkmc, Tahmina: so I’m happy to be a mentor | 18:21 |
| Tahmina | It's Attribute and Graph Based Access Control Model | 18:21 |
| topol | me too | 18:21 |
| vkmc | henrynash, topol, that's awesome! thanks :) | 18:21 |
| vkmc | generally mentors propose tasks for mentees | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | you're also always welcome to reach out to me for help on any front. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | Is it tuesday already? | 18:22 |
| vkmc | in this case Tahmina already had an idea and decided to propose it, but if it doesn't fit the project plans then you can suggest some task for her to do during her internship | 18:22 |
| vkmc | henrynash, topol ^ | 18:23 |
| Tahmina | we can have contextual association of different entities if we abstract the identity backend as a graph | 18:23 |
| topol | Tahmina, I would recommend henrynash for keystone specific stuff and myself for more general mentoring | 18:23 |
| Tahmina | oh thank you henrynash and topol | 18:23 |
| bknudson | we already do have proposals for different access control models | 18:23 |
| bknudson | maybe we need to make it pluggable for different experiments | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, that sounds like a good direction | 18:24 |
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| topol | Tahmina, I have a Ph.D. and can serve as an external member of your dissertation commiteee when you are ready. I have done that for oothers before | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | Tahmina, when you say Graph, are you talking Graph Databases? | 18:25 |
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| Tahmina | yes | 18:25 |
| Tahmina | yes ayoung | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | Tahmina, OK, we had a proposal along those lines back at the mid -cycle meetup | 18:26 |
| Tahmina | actually I have started changing identity backend to neo4j a graph database | 18:26 |
| ayoung | I don't think it is the right point. The Keystone token is a snapshot of that data | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | What you need to do is focus on the Policy Enforcement, | 18:26 |
| ayoung | and that is in auth_token middleware | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, still within scope of working within Keystone with topol and henrynash as mentors | 18:27 |
| ayoung | So...I'm willing to act as a ....wll, not a mentor, we'll let henrynash be that. How about a reality check? | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, this is very cool...its just that the problem definition is off | 18:29 |
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| Tahmina | actually my point is attribute of different entity association can express the context of that association which cannot be done only with token ayoung | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | Tahmina, I' | 18:29 |
| ayoung | m happy to discuss with you as well. | 18:29 |
| vkmc | willing-to-be mentors can reach flaper87 for doubts about the OPW mentoring process | 18:29 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 18:29 |
| * flaper87 is happy to help | 18:29 | |
| vkmc | he has been a mentor for three rounds now :) | 18:30 |
| ayoung | flaper87, you are always happy to help | 18:30 |
| Tahmina | thank you ayoung | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | Tahmina, thanks for joining us! and looking forward to seeing how this proposal shapes up! | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | it looks really cool | 18:30 |
| vkmc | also, please join us in #openstack-opw | 18:30 |
| vkmc | for any doubt or concern | 18:30 |
| Tahmina | thanks morganfrainberg , thanks every one to let me speak up | 18:30 |
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| flaper87 | ayoung: that's so true :D | 18:30 |
| ayoung | Tahmina, were you are the mid-cycle meetup? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | is this the same professor we discussed this over with back then? | 18:31 |
| Tahmina | I wast not there | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, might be related he said he had a student (phd candidate) | 18:32 |
| Tahmina | I think you may have some idea from ICS associate director | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | might have been refering to Tahmina | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | Tahmina, are you going to make it to the summit in Paris? if not hopefully we can get you to the mid-cycle meetup | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | well in either case hopefully to the mid-cycle meetup (even if you do make it to paris) | 18:33 |
| Tahmina | I am not going Paris. but for midcycle where to meet morganfrainberg | 18:34 |
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| lbragstad | Tahmina: the Keystone mid-cycle meet up has been hosted at Geekdom in San Antonio | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, hopefully we can do that again | 18:35 |
| topol | +++ | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | but we will figure out the meetup location once we get done with the summit. | 18:35 |
| topol | zinc burgers and lamb burgers | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | we need to know what the release schedule is going to look like | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | which will come with the summit | 18:36 |
| Tahmina | ok then. I will be there hopefully | 18:36 |
| topol | Tahmina I sent you my contact info in an IRC personal chat window | 18:36 |
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| vkmc | lastly, if someone wants to propose tasks for this round applicants, you can do it in the wiki :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen/Ideas | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | vkmc, awesome thanks! | 18:37 |
| vkmc | morganfainberg, thanks to you! | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | ok lets wind the meeting down, bug report (weekly) | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Weekly bug reports | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Weekly bug reports (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:38 | |
| morganfainberg | #link http://keystone-weekly-bug-report.tempusfrangit.org/weekly-bug-reports/keystone-weekly-bug-report.html | 18:38 |
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| Tahmina | thanks morganfainberg, vkmc and everyone | 18:38 |
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| vkmc | thanks all o/ | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad thanks for the report and we should probably get those triaged and see if anything needs to hit RC | 18:39 |
| bknudson | we get lots of bug reports. | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | most look pretty benign | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1370022 | 18:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370022 in keystone "Keystone cannot cope with being behind an SSL terminator for version list" [Undecided,New] | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | that one just rolled through not long ago | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | huh. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: they already answered the question themselves. Set admin_endpoint and public_endpoint. | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | I've been trying to keep close tabs on the new bugs incase we should include them for RC1 | 18:40 |
| dstanek | lol | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | yeah so.. uh configure keystone! we might need to tag that as a doc bug | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | "Also - if I set public_endpoint and admin_endpoint in keystone.conf to use 'https' proto then all works." | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | but it looks like there is nothing to be done on our end. | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | marking as invalid | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, lets check if we have something in the configuration.rst that could help with knowing to set those values | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | but other wise yes, invalid | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1368690 looks like something that should be tagged to RC | 18:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368690 in keystone "Keystone2Keystone extension leaks file descriptors" [Low,New] | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | oh wait | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | why do we have a bug for this? it's a pysaml bug? | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | marekd, o/ | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, is this a requirements update? | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | I don't think we need to update keystone requirements to force using a new version to avoid a bug... should just be for use of a new api. | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | k | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | other than that... | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | Anything else we need to bring up? | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | can anyone just take over jamielennox changes to keep them moving? | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, sure, i'm trying to keep my eyes on them the best i can | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | especially the config / infra ones. | 18:46 |
| bknudson | he's only got about 50 changes in flight | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | yeah it's quite a list. | 18:46 |
| dstanek | bknudson: all for this week? | 18:46 |
| bknudson | dstanek: he's going to be gone longer than a week | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | he's out for ~3wks ithink | 18:47 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yeah, but which ones are the critical ones (if any) that need attention? | 18:47 |
| dstanek | are they all on dolphm's gist? | 18:47 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: nope | 18:47 |
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| marekd | morganfainberg: (sorry, was distracted) | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | marekd, no worries | 18:48 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: so one function from pysaml, the function we actually use was leaking file decsriptors - simply open() without close() (not even speaking about with statement and so on). | 18:48 |
| bknudson | dstanek: a couple of the keystonclient ones are in dolphm's gist | 18:48 |
| marekd | i spoke with dolphm and proposed that we don't use this function (it's not very complicated) and I can implemet it myself, but he advised filing a bug, and rather proposing a fix for pysaml2. | 18:49 |
| marekd | i did that and fix is aleady merged. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, ah so we should mark that as fixed | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, oh wait i see. | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, we might need to handle it in juno so we don't need a requirements update this late | 18:50 |
| dstanek | marekd: has the fix been released? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, since we're past dep freeze, though this warrants if they have a release with the fix in it, asking for an exception. | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | i think | 18:51 |
| marekd | dstanek: same day i filed a bug and proposed a fix . | 18:51 |
| dstanek | do we actually need to update requirements? i don't think we pin pysaml | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, we would want to set a lower bound on it | 18:51 |
| marekd | dstanek: morganfainberg but the fact that fix is in the master don't need to mean that pipi is also updated. | 18:51 |
| marekd | dstanek: no requirements update. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, if possible. but meh. | 18:52 |
| marekd | dstanek: are you talking about my todays proposal about missing pysaml in requirements.txt? | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | so we can probably just let this slide. | 18:52 |
| dstanek | marekd: yeah, it hasn't been released yet | 18:52 |
| dstanek | marekd: no, about updating the requirements to reflect the new version with your fix to pysaml | 18:53 |
| marekd | dstanek: ah. | 18:53 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: dstanek so what do you suggest actualy? I can ask for new pysaml2 release | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | it would be good to have it released prior to RC | 18:55 |
| bknudson | this all seems to be a pysaml bug and not a keystone bug | 18:55 |
| marekd | bknudson: yes. | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | it means the packagers are likely to pick it up | 18:55 |
| dstanek | marekd: yes, otherwise packages can't/won't package it | 18:55 |
| bknudson | of course we will | 18:55 |
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| marekd | dstanek: i will shoot an e-mail to the author. | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | marekd, awesome. thnx | 18:56 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: sure. | 18:56 |
| marekd | :-) | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | anything else or are we done a bit early? :) | 18:56 |
| dstanek | marekd: awesome | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ok gonna call this the end | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 18:57:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-16-18.02.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-16-18.02.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-16-18.02.log.html | 18:57 |
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| jeblair | infra folks around? | 18:59 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
| grantbow | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | and jhesketh! | 19:00 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:00 |
| clarkb | morning/afternoon | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | mordred, fungi: ping | 19:00 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 19:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
| fungi | hey there | 19:01 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-09-19.04.html | 19:01 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | we've established some areas of priority, to help reviewers target their work to make sure we keep moving on the big-picture things we decided on at the summit and meetup | 19:02 |
| jeblair | so the first part of the meeting is addressing those | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Puppet 3 Migration | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | last week we said that by now, we hoped that we had a puppetmaster up and were checking hosts | 19:03 |
| fungi | most of the nails are in puppet 2's coffin now | 19:03 |
| jeblair | in fact what we did is just did the entire migration on thursday and friday | 19:03 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | and are now cleaning up the last few things | 19:03 |
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| nibalizer | good job everyone! | 19:03 |
| nibalizer | http://puppetboard.openstack.org/fact/puppetversion | 19:03 |
| fungi | yeah, i think we have changes proposed for all the cleanup now? | 19:03 |
| anteaya | anything left that has to happen prior to Sept. 30? | 19:04 |
| fungi | give puppet 2.7 a going away party | 19:04 |
| jeblair | very much thanks to nibalizer who managed to get most of the prep for that done before we started | 19:04 |
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| anteaya | yay nibalizer | 19:04 |
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| fungi | yes, huge thanks nibalizer! | 19:04 |
| nibalizer | woo, happy to help! | 19:04 |
| nibalizer | what is the fate of ci-puppetmaster? will we be turning it off? | 19:05 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:05 |
| jeblair | did someone move the launch scripts over? | 19:05 |
| fungi | it should be fine to turn off now, in fact | 19:05 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, moved and tested | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | is there anything else on that host we might want? | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | (logs maybe?) | 19:05 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | yeah, so we have passwords, hiera, launch scripts... i think that should be it. | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/121654 | 19:06 |
| fungi | there's a test server you can qa if you like | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | fungi-test.o.o iirc | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I hopped on it briefly and it looked good | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i test-drove the server a little and seemed sane to me too | 19:07 |
| fungi | or i wouldn't have un-wip'd that change ;) | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | okay, so we can delete at our leisure | 19:08 |
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| anteaya | who will do that? | 19:08 |
| nibalizer | cool | 19:08 |
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| fungi | anteaya: any of the infra root admins can. i'll do it once the cleanup changes merge, if nobody beats me to it | 19:09 |
| anteaya | kk | 19:09 |
| fungi | it takes, literally, seconds | 19:09 |
| jeblair | #topic Swift logs | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift logs (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps | 19:10 |
| jeblair | jhesketh prepared that before the meeting ^ | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109485 | 19:10 |
| fungi | jhesketh you workhorse | 19:10 |
| jeblair | oh cool, so i hadn't reviewed that because i thought we might still be experimenting with the test job | 19:11 |
| jeblair | but if that's first on the list, i'm assuming that the experimental job is working and we're ready to proceed | 19:11 |
| clarkb | it is working, but there was perceived slowness? | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | yep, the experiemental job has been working well for a while (although it hasn't been ran regularly) | 19:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: in what way? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: in the fetcing of logs | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | clarkb, jeblair: the slowness is in the fetching | 19:12 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I don't think we quantified it super well yet | 19:12 |
| clarkb | maybe we should try doing that too? | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | so os-loganalyze can be slow | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | do we want to quantify that with the current experimental job, or should we merge 109485 and work from there? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | it will probably help to have the larger dataset? | 19:13 |
| anteaya | I'm for merging and debugging | 19:13 |
| fungi | having a broader sample set may help bring the performance issues to light, and perhaps inflict pain on people to improve them | 19:13 |
| anteaya | if we merge the job will be run more frequently | 19:13 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: we check disk first, right? so 109485 isn't a behavior change on its own | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | there's no reason to block on merging 109485 imo... Unless we want to back out of having logs in swift, we can work on speeding up serving in parallel | 19:13 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:14 |
| fungi | that change lgtm too | 19:14 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: actually, that's a good point... we check swift first and fall back to disk | 19:14 |
| jeblair | oh, so we'll actually end up making viewing logs for all python jobs slow | 19:14 |
| jhesketh | maybe we should hold off, and/or move a less impacting jjb job over | 19:14 |
| fungi | viewing and presumably indexing (for logstach workers?) | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: yeah the logstash workers will be hit but the pipelining should smooth it over for them | 19:15 |
| fungi | obviously i meant logstache | 19:15 |
| clarkb | I think the bigger concern is for humans looking to debug their test | 19:15 |
| jeblair | yeah, let's go for reduced impact | 19:15 |
| anteaya | what is a less impacting jjb job? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | the infra jobs are all candidates imo | 19:16 |
| anteaya | I agree with that | 19:16 |
| jhesketh | okay, I'll take a todo to pick a less impacting job and also put up some swift vs disk comparisons | 19:16 |
| clarkb | since we can/should be aware of this work | 19:16 |
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| fungi | we do seem to enjoy inflicting pain on ourselves first | 19:16 |
| fungi | makes sense | 19:16 |
| anteaya | it does seem to be a pattern | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #action jhesketh rework 109485 to impact only infra jobs | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #topic Config repo split | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121650/ | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I have put up a patch to create the new project-config repo | 19:18 |
| jeblair | very cool :) | 19:19 |
| anteaya | please share your thoughts to ensure I have the tests and acl file as you would like them to be | 19:19 |
| anteaya | I am reading up on git filter branch and will be playing with it | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anteaya: cool. we want to import this from a repo built with filter branch, so we may want to wip your change until that is ready | 19:19 |
| anteaya | once I feel confident that I can filter config so the selected repos are in their own repo and that they are removed from config | 19:19 |
| anteaya | I will let you know so we can do the freeze ans such | 19:19 |
| anteaya | I can do that | 19:20 |
| anteaya | if I can get some feedback on the tests and acl | 19:20 |
| jeblair | we also have a bit of work to prepare for the (system-config) repo itself | 19:20 |
| anteaya | I would like to get taht confirmed before I move on | 19:20 |
| anteaya | okay I will practice with filter branch | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | let me know or what I can do to get config in shape | 19:20 |
| jhesketh | should we also time this to a change to remove the said files from the config repo? | 19:20 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:20 |
| jeblair | we need to update quite a number of places where we currently reference the config files in there to use the new repo instead | 19:21 |
| anteaya | they need to happen during the same freeze | 19:21 |
| jeblair | and yeah, we should do all of those things around the same time | 19:21 |
| jhesketh | ie have a dependant change pre-approved so it goes in at the same time, avoiding patches proposing to both repos | 19:21 |
| anteaya | in my eyes | 19:21 |
| jeblair | anteaya: so once you're done with the filter-branch, we should probably still delay merging that change until everything is ready to go at once | 19:21 |
| jeblair | anteaya: and you can run filter-branch again right before we do it | 19:21 |
| jeblair | to make sure the new repo has the latest changes | 19:22 |
| anteaya | jeblair: yes | 19:22 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: I hope to have a command I can run anytime | 19:22 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | so the other part of this section is the lots-of-puppet-modules split | 19:23 |
| jeblair | yesterday we switched over to running the new apply integration test | 19:23 |
| jeblair | this is really cool -- we're using the zuul cloner to check out config and the puppet-storyboard module and then we run puppet apply | 19:24 |
| clarkb | these are the first jobs to use the zuul cloner right? | 19:24 |
| fungi | it's also a great next-step to further gutting ref management out of devstack-gate | 19:24 |
| jeblair | (the clone mapper that hashar added to zuul cloner came in handy, it lets us map "openstack-infra/puppet-storyboard" into /etc/puppet/modules/storyboard in one line of yaml) | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi: yup | 19:25 |
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| nibalizer | i have one review up to split a module out, it has some feedback and i'll put a new patchset up soon | 19:26 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: is there a story for this spec? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: i don't see one. would you please create one in storyboard and update the spec to link to it? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 19:27 |
| nibalizer | sure | 19:27 |
| jeblair | then we should create a task for each puppet repo, so that people can assign those tasks to themselves as they work on it | 19:27 |
| jeblair | it would be good to start slow and break out just one module at a time at first to make sure we have the process right | 19:28 |
| jeblair | then i think we can go open season :) | 19:28 |
| fungi | after the first couple are behind us, they'll make good low-(medium?)hanging-fruit tasks | 19:28 |
| jeblair | anyway, as we do it, we should be able to add them to the integration test so that we can be relatively sure that we're not breaking ourselves as we go | 19:28 |
| anteaya | fit for third party participation I am hoping | 19:28 |
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| anteaya | so documentation of the process is greatly appreciated | 19:29 |
| jeblair | anteaya: it should be in the spec; if it changes, we should update the spec | 19:29 |
| anteaya | great | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (specs are not written in stone. they are written in rst!) | 19:29 |
| anteaya | I do believe it is yes | 19:29 |
| anteaya | stone is too slow | 19:29 |
| jeblair | anything else on these? | 19:30 |
| fungi | anteaya: stone flows faster at higher temperatures | 19:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: that it does | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #topic Nodepool DIB | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | i was hoping mordred would be by to share the status here | 19:30 |
| fungi | is he at openstack silicon valley? | 19:31 |
| jeblair | i looked at the stack this morning and found that the bottom of the stack, despite 4 revisions since, hasn't addressed a pretty fundamental concern i brought up | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so the bottom is now at -2 basically just to get attention. :( | 19:31 |
| anteaya | we should talk to yolanda maybe? | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | i think she's out, but she didn't seem to know the reasoning when she commented on an earlier patchset | 19:32 |
| anteaya | hmmm | 19:32 |
| jeblair | so basically, i think we're waiting for mordred to finish this, or someone to take it over | 19:32 |
| jeblair | if someone wants to take it over, let me know. | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh, yes i believe he is at ossv | 19:33 |
| jeblair | #topic Docs publishing | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | i haven't started on this yet, and probably won't for a bit yet | 19:34 |
| jeblair | if anyone wants to get started on it, feel free (and let me know). otherwise it's probably going to be a few weeks before i start on it in earnest. | 19:34 |
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| zaro | what is this? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I can proably take up the dib stuff again since I poked at it before | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/doc-publishing.html | 19:35 |
| ianw | jeblair: re d-i-b; i'm very interested in this, but don't want to unilaterally take things over | 19:35 |
| clarkb | should be able to get up to speed on it relatively quickyl | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | ianw: maybe we can work together on it? | 19:35 |
| jeblair | also, it's probably good for some of the swift logs stuff to settle out before we really start on docs | 19:35 |
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| fungi | ianw: unilaterally taking over mordred's changes is a tradition around here ;) | 19:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think that is sane otherwise we will be context switching too much | 19:35 |
| krotscheck | it really is. | 19:36 |
| jeblair | bilaterally taking over mordred's changes is less traditional but should be fine! :) | 19:36 |
| jeblair | #topic Jobs on trusty | 19:36 |
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| fungi | well, the serving things from swift work has implications on the docs publishing as well | 19:36 |
| fungi | so having those lessons learned behind us could help | 19:36 |
| ianw | clarkb: happy to ... just i talked about things with yolanda and she was at the time actively working on things, but if that is no longer the case, cool | 19:37 |
| fungi | jobs on trusty! | 19:37 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/121931 | 19:37 |
| fungi | that'll be ready to merge as soon as i'm done confirming the remaining bare-trusty image updates complete | 19:37 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:38 |
| fungi | that's getting whittled down though there are still a number of outstanding changes linked there which need to merge, and other projects which still need fixes | 19:38 |
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| fungi | a few have yet to be investigated yet | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | the big ones are related to broken things in py34 whcih makes this a bit difficult | 19:39 |
| fungi | overall the majority of our working and voting python33 jobs run well under 3.4 as well | 19:39 |
| fungi | but yeah, we do need at least one ubuntu sru to the python3.4 package in trusty | 19:39 |
| jeblair | fungi: is that in progress? | 19:39 |
| fungi | i believe the ubuntu package maintainer has not yet triaged the bug | 19:40 |
| clarkb | the bug is filed, lifeless noted it is a good sru candidate, but unsure of where to go from there | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | hunt down the package maintainer? | 19:40 |
| fungi | with torches | 19:40 |
| jeblair | yell at zulcss? | 19:40 |
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| fungi | now, now... we don't want to make zul ragequit | 19:41 |
| fungi | but yeah, i'll try to help get it more visibility | 19:41 |
| jeblair | i think he likes being yelled at | 19:41 |
| jeblair | at least, that's what mordred told me | 19:41 |
| fungi | it's currently impacting oslo.messaging's unit tests on 3.4 | 19:41 |
| fungi | segfault in the interpreter, even | 19:42 |
| clarkb | fungi: and potentially any ubuntu software run on py3.4 | 19:42 |
| fungi | right | 19:42 |
| clarkb | since it is a subtle gc bug figure out all the affected things is hard | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | you should say since it's a segfault, it might be a security bug. | 19:42 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367907 | 19:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367907 in python "Segfault in gc with cyclic trash" [Unknown,Fix released] | 19:42 |
| fungi | (for those not wanting to dig it out of the etherpad) | 19:43 |
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| fungi | might be a stretch to tease code execution out of an improper cast in the gc, but denial of service is a possibility i suppose | 19:44 |
| jeblair | anything else? | 19:44 |
| fungi | also it's happening on teardown looks like | 19:44 |
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| fungi | nah, that covers current state for getting rid of the py3k-precise nodes, but not sure what the current state is for the other outstanding precise migration needs | 19:45 |
| fungi | at some point we can hopefully at least simplify if not remove the custom parameter function | 19:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: maybe we can check on that for next week? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | #topic Manila project renaming (fungi, bswartz) | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | check on the bug? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | clarkb: other parts of the precise->trusty transition | 19:47 |
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| fungi | for scheduling the manila project move, i have stuff going on this weekend (wife's birthday, inlaws visiting) and also won't be around thursday, so unless we want to do the manila rename friday i'll have to bow out. otherwise we punt to next week | 19:47 |
| jeblair | i could do friday | 19:48 |
| clarkb | friday is good here as well | 19:48 |
| fungi | okay, let's say friday then... early afternoon pst? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | things are less insane than in recent weeks, we can probably swing it with only a minor disruption in service. | 19:48 |
| fungi | or late morning pst? | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | early afternoon works for me if it works for you, fungi | 19:49 |
| fungi | 19:00 utc good? | 19:49 |
| fungi | or maybe 20:00 so it doesn't hit lunch? | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | 20:30? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | ++ to 2000 | 19:50 |
| clarkb | or 2030 | 19:50 |
| fungi | 20:30's good | 19:50 |
| jeblair | (since it takes a bit to prepare) | 19:50 |
| fungi | i'll send an e-mail to the -dev ml to give everyone including manila devs a heads up | 19:50 |
| jeblair | #agreed rename manila at 20:30 utc on friday sept 17 | 19:50 |
| jeblair | oops | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | #agreed rename manila at 20:30 utc on friday sept 19 | 19:50 |
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| fungi | hah | 19:51 |
| jeblair | #topic Fedora/Centos testing updates (ianw 09-16-2014) | 19:51 |
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| ianw | hey, we can skip most of this | 19:51 |
| ianw | f20-bare nodes merged, thanks | 19:51 |
| ianw | i'll keep an eye on them | 19:51 |
| ianw | got a d-i-b update. still working on the centos7 images in d-i-b | 19:51 |
| jeblair | cool, and we're obviously not quite ready to use it anyway | 19:52 |
| ianw | i am told that HP have production ready centos7 images, so i will be keeping an eye on that and hoping to bring up nodes there when it's ready | 19:52 |
| ianw | that's all for that | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | #topic Nodepool min-ready issues (ianw 09-16-2014) | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118939/ | 19:53 |
| jeblair | has 2 +2s | 19:53 |
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| ianw | is the only holdup with this change just review backlog? if a different approach is wanted, i can work on it | 19:53 |
| jeblair | so we could probably merge it at will | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | if anyone wants to review it, do so soon, otherwise i'll merge it, say, tomorrow? | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | and maybe we can slip in a friday nodepool restart | 19:53 |
| ianw | ok, i'll watch out for updates | 19:54 |
| jeblair | #topic Log Download (ianw 09-16-2014) | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120317/ | 19:54 |
| ianw | so i really would like to download a bundle of logs when debugging gate failures | 19:54 |
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| ianw | is that review on the right track, or would we rather see it done some other way | 19:55 |
| jeblair | sdague: ^ fyi | 19:55 |
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| ianw | wget --recursive overriding robots.txt kind of sucks | 19:55 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: points out that it should perhaps be included in os loganalyze | 19:55 |
| ianw | and sends down uncompressed logs | 19:55 |
| jhesketh | I would like to discuss if it fits within osloganalyze | 19:55 |
| jeblair | which kind of makes sense to me, since we're really looking at that as our interface to the logs now | 19:56 |
| jhesketh | which has started diverging from just log markup | 19:56 |
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| jhesketh | well it raises the question of if it should be doing that, but I'm not sure we want to get into that discussion | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | well, we've already made that choice | 19:57 |
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| fungi | it seems like a reasonable fit, and a reasonable feature request | 19:58 |
| ianw | so is the general conclusion move it as a feature of os-loganalyze? | 19:58 |
| fungi | in my opinion, yeah | 19:58 |
| jeblair | ianw: can you look into whether that makes sense? | 19:58 |
| clarkb | this is a crazy idea so maybe ignore me, but what if the tests ship a tarball only | 19:58 |
| clarkb | then loganalyze can serve from with in that? that doesn't deal with swift well | 19:58 |
| clarkb | nevermind | 19:58 |
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| fungi | why doesn't it deal with swift well? | 19:59 |
| ianw | ok, i'll look at putting it in there | 19:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: because we would have to retrieve the entire tarball to get a single file | 19:59 |
| jeblair | (or at least potentially the whole file) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: wich will only make the slowness worse | 19:59 |
| fungi | oh, i get it. yeah without local caching that's probably badbadbadness | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | time | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | thanks to jhesketh for being here! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone; we'll move topics we didn't get to to the top of the agenda next time | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 20:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-16-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-16-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-16-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 20:01 |
| jroll | \o | 20:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 20:01 |
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| JayF | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
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| ttx | annegentle, mikal, mordred, devananda, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann : around ? | 20:01 |
| markmc | sorry I missed last week, was on vacation enjoying myself too much and forgot about it :) | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | ok, 7 | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 20:02:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Graduation review: Zaqar (final decision) | 20:02 |
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| ttx | OK, so this is the last meeting before the Kilo PTL election period, so we need to come to a final decision on this | 20:03 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | I think it will come down to a vote on the review | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/118592 | 20:03 |
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| ttx | At this point I think the thread concluded that if Zaqar v2 API gets rid of some primitives, it could theoretically be backed by a queue, which would make a lot of concerns go away | 20:03 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | as far as I'm concerned, kilo graduation hinges on the "no major API rewrite planned" requirement: | 20:03 |
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| ttx | On one hand there is a new API coming up, and some see it as a requirement before joining the integrated release, so Zaqar should not graduate yet | 20:04 |
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| ttx | On the other hand that new API may be simple enough to implement that we are 100% sure it will make it early in Kilo, and therefore Zaqar could graduate | 20:04 |
| ttx | but that's only me | 20:04 |
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| ttx | I'd like to hear about others | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | ttx: what is the timeframe for graduating a project in Kilo? | 20:04 |
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| markmcclain1 | o/ | 20:05 |
| zaneb | i.e. could this be reviewed again before the summit and still make it? | 20:05 |
| ttx | zaneb: we decide now that it will be shipped in the Kilo integrated release | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | it sounded to me like backing zaqar by a queue would lose some of the durability features they're trying to provide. is that correct? | 20:05 |
| ttx | zaneb: in theory not | 20:05 |
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| flaper87 | FWIW, API v2 can or cannot happen depending on how strong is the requirement of getting rid of that endpoint | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | as a way to show how small the change is, I did this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121141/ | 20:05 |
| markmc | IMO there are probably a bunch of "devils in the details" with this v2 plan, and I'd like it not to be rushed | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | markmc: +1 | 20:05 |
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| devananda | the thread on the mailing list highlights how little concensus or shared understanding of the mission, scope, and suitable use cases we all have for the project | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | that's what I'd prefer too | 20:05 |
| markmc | I'm also not sure we should be delighted about Zaqar quickly dropping v1 and hurting existing users | 20:06 |
| ttx | markmc: I tend to agree with that | 20:06 |
| devananda | which seems to hinge on whether it's a queue or a message system | 20:06 |
| devananda | that confusion concerns me, this close to graduation | 20:06 |
| russellb | and there's a difference between "no, we've changed our mind" and "no for now, but it looks likely after 1 more cycle" | 20:06 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:06 |
| mordred | I think we did that to ironic last cycle | 20:06 |
| devananda | (and I admit to being one of the ones both caught up in, and possibly inadvertantly helping foster, that confusion) | 20:06 |
| mordred | devananda: so you're saying you're involved in ALL of the confusion in openstack then | 20:06 |
| russellb | ha | 20:07 |
| ttx | I think we are converging. Slower than we shouldn but still | 20:07 |
| devananda | mordred: totally | 20:07 |
| mordred | maybe we should de-integrate devananda | 20:07 |
| sdague | mordred: heh | 20:07 |
| jeblair | it seems clear to me that we all want zaqar to succeed, and that is one of the most constructive openstack threads i've seen in a while. i'm inclined to say we're not ready for each other yet but that we should continue working on it. | 20:07 |
| ttx | I'm fine with keeping in incubation one cycle, but I think we need to state a clear plan and objective. I don't want to be at the same point in 6 months time | 20:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ ttx: ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | where it's not where we want it to be ut we did not followup during the cycle | 20:08 |
| russellb | yep, i don't think we did a good job on clarifying expectations on this | 20:08 |
| markmc | a clear plan and objective is also important to keep this community engaged with us | 20:08 |
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| markmc | if we really want it to succeed | 20:08 |
| mordred | also, one more cycle gives me time to write an IMAP backend plugin | 20:09 |
| ttx | mordred: :) | 20:09 |
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| devananda | IIRC, our objections last cycle hinged on mongo and sqla back ends, which, ultimately, turned into the "is it a queue?" discussion this cycle | 20:09 |
| jeblair | ttx, markmc: agreed, and i'm not sure the discussion has converged on what that is yet. | 20:09 |
| devananda | markmc: ++ | 20:09 |
| mordred | markmc: ++ | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | markmc: ++ | 20:09 |
| devananda | markmc: except I'm also not sure what that objective is now | 20:09 |
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| ttx | Yeah, I'm concerned that we don't have clarity on the end goal here | 20:10 |
| devananda | "decide if it's a queue or a message system, and stabilize the API on that, and demonstrate that it scales appropriately" | 20:10 |
| mordred | I think we need to continue the current thread until we know that | 20:10 |
| mordred | step 1 - agree on step 1 | 20:10 |
| devananda | also, I think zaqar's team has declared it's a message system | 20:10 |
| markmc | in fairness, the thread has mostly petered out | 20:10 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121511/1 | 20:11 |
| ttx | There is almost consensus that it's not where we want it to be, and also almost consensus that we want a simple queue system somewhere in openstack | 20:11 |
| markmc | not a whole lot of energy left in the participants AFAICT | 20:11 |
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| ttx | but that's about it | 20:11 |
| devananda | by proposing a change to s/queue/message/ in the governance repo | 20:11 |
| devananda | I think we can start by approving that | 20:11 |
| mordred | devananda: ++ | 20:11 |
| jeblair | ttx: i sense that too. i think clint said that clarification would help him work on a true queuing system | 20:11 |
| zaneb | I was under the impression that removing the random access to messages pretty much resolved everyone's concerns | 20:11 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: + | 20:11 |
| devananda | zaneb: here's the oddity -- removing random access makes it NOT a messagign system | 20:11 |
| jeblair | i mean, SpamapS :) | 20:12 |
| mordred | right. this is why I think we're REALLY close to an understanding, but still aren't there | 20:12 |
| zaneb | devananda: I actually don't care what you call it ;) | 20:12 |
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| mordred | zaneb: me either | 20:12 |
| ttx | devananda: yeah... | 20:12 |
| devananda | there is still this discordance -- random access => messages. no access by ID => queue. | 20:12 |
| devananda | so :( | 20:12 |
| mordred | but there is a thing that it is and wants to be, and since the words queue and messaging don't seem to be doing the trick, we may need to be more verbosey | 20:12 |
| devananda | mordred: ++ | 20:13 |
| markmc | it's messages either way, just different access patterns | 20:13 |
| mordred | because it's entirely possible we all think the same thing, btu we have no idea | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | markmc: +1 | 20:13 |
| mordred | markmc: not true | 20:13 |
| ttx | I feel like there are two directions... one being to embrace being a messaging system, and the other being use v2 to make a real queueing system | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | indeed, messaging, as stated in the thread, is a more generic term | 20:13 |
| markmc | and some people seem convinced that !random access will allow the API to be backed by e.g. AMQP | 20:13 |
| zaneb | so it has both queues and pub-sub, but in v2 there'd be no random access by ID | 20:13 |
| devananda | markmc: I disagree | 20:13 |
| ttx | personally I tend to prefer the latter | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | but it may also include queuing semantics | 20:13 |
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| flaper87 | depending on what messaging pattern is chosen to consume messages | 20:13 |
| devananda | flaper87: so a messaging system which can optionally be used like a queue | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | I'm really not sure if we should start the messaging/queuing discussion in this meeting again, really. | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | that said, I'm happy to move it forward in the mailing list | 20:14 |
| mordred | we need one more pass on that discussion - but let's focus just on that and not on fitness for purpose | 20:14 |
| mordred | and focus on getting all on the same page in terms of understanding of what we're all saying | 20:14 |
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| ttx | do we agree that (1) we need to define the direction and (2) we are not there yet ? | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | I'd like - and need - a good plan forward and requirements from this meeting (or a future one). | 20:15 |
| NobodyCam | mordred: +1 and focus on getting all on the same page | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | Regardless on whether zaqar graduates or not, that plan is needed | 20:15 |
| mordred | flaper87: ++ | 20:15 |
| devananda | flaper87: ++ | 20:15 |
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| markmcclain1 | flaper87: +1 | 20:15 |
| ttx | flaper87: if we do agree on that, we can work on the plan without the graduation time contrsint | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | Because there have been some concerns based on some confusions but those concerns have also confused people | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | at least myself :P | 20:15 |
| devananda | lol | 20:15 |
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| ttx | so do we agree that (1) we still need to define the direction and (2) we are not there yet, so integration is a bit too early ? | 20:16 |
| mordred | flaper87: also, I'm really not kidding about wanting to write a backend plugin for you - I just haven't had time to yet (thinks writing some code may clear up for him what the thing is) | 20:16 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:16 |
| ttx | if yes, we can continue that discussion in a future meeting | 20:16 |
| markmc | ttx, we == the TC, or Zaqar team, or both? | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | it's more than obvious that I'd prefer zaqar to graduate since we've gotten to this point but I'm happy to take more time if that's what we all need to shape it better | 20:16 |
| ttx | and keep in incubation | 20:16 |
| ttx | markmc: the TC | 20:17 |
| markmc | ttx, cool | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | mordred: looking forward to that :P | 20:17 |
| ttx | markmc: well, depends on which we actually | 20:17 |
| markmcclain | ttx : +1 | 20:17 |
| markmc | ttx, first one | 20:17 |
| devananda | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121511/1 is the zaqar team declaring that direction | 20:17 |
| ttx | markmc: do we (the TC) agree that (1) the TC and zaqar still need to define the direction and (2) zaqar is not there yet | 20:18 |
| markmc | I think it's on us to define the direction we'd like to see at this point | 20:18 |
| devananda | flaper87: is that correct? | 20:18 |
| russellb | markmc: yep i think that's fair | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | devananda: yup | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | markmc: +1 too | 20:18 |
| ttx | I really want us to have a plan that lets them achieve objectives withing the next cycle | 20:18 |
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| ttx | that probably means a plan pre-summit | 20:18 |
| markmc | flaper87, the direction is to keep the random-access API, then? | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | that's part of the plan I'd like to get out of this :) | 20:19 |
| ttx | so the details can be hashed out there | 20:19 |
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| flaper87 | markmc: the direction would be to stick with the current API for now unless there are major requirements that need a new version | 20:20 |
| ttx | OK, so it feels like we should defer graduation, as far as this meeting is concerned | 20:20 |
| annegentle | I definitely appreciate the tenacity of the team and their patience. I think it's fair to ask for clarity while recognizing how much work they've done. | 20:20 |
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| ttx | and plan that discussion for the next meeting (or the one after that) | 20:20 |
| annegentle | maybe by "ask for clarity" I mean "finalize API" | 20:20 |
| devananda | ttx: yea, so at this point I agree that we (the TC) and the zaqar team don't have a shared grasp on what the direction is | 20:20 |
| markmc | flaper87, so, the direction as you see it is to not make major changes in Kilo? | 20:20 |
| markmc | if so, what are we waiting another cycle for ... ? | 20:20 |
| russellb | yeah.. | 20:20 |
| * markmc paraphrasing devananda's confusion here | 20:20 | |
| markmc | (right?) | 20:21 |
| annegentle | and we've asked other teams to stabilize APIs in a release cycle right? | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | I thought we were going to recommend potential changes, and then those would be taken into account during the summit and kilo | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | markmc: that's my point. We've made v1.1 as stable as possible to get to this graduation meeting | 20:21 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: ++ | 20:21 |
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| ttx | annegentle: yes, we need the API baked before we can graduate, really, otherwise it's just too much work during the first integrated cycle | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: it sounds like someone needs to own making that recommendation list - not it | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | if there are not major changes required to graduate then I don't think waiting makes much sense | 20:22 |
| markmc | devananda, then why is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121511/1 the direction we endorse? | 20:22 |
| devananda | markmc: I think the confusion right _now_ is that the TC is asking zaqar for their direction, and zaqar is asking the TC what direction to take | 20:22 |
| markmc | devananda, if it's a "stay the current course" direction? | 20:22 |
| markmc | (oh, sorry - that was dhellmann speaking, not devananda) | 20:22 |
| markmc | heh | 20:22 |
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| dhellmann | confusion reigns | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | markmc: which bit were you directing at me? | 20:23 |
| markmc | nevermind | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | zaqar's preferred direction is to stay as-is and keep the current API which has proven to be stable and fast for its use-case | 20:23 |
| vkmc | IMO current Zaqar version is stable and there are many uses cases (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-integrated-projects-use-cases) that would be beneficiated from Zaqar | 20:23 |
| ttx | I think we need a specific meeting to set a direction we would all be comfortable with | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | if the TC is not comfortable with this direction, then lets keep talking about it and work on a plan forward | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: ok, so it sounds like we need the differences between those use cases and the desired direction (if any) to be identified | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | as of now, those use cases are covered by the current API | 20:24 |
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| flaper87 | I'm happy to work on a more detailed explanation for those use cases | 20:25 |
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| flaper87 | but I'll need support for other teams too | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | since I gathered them based on other projects needs | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | s/I/we/ | 20:25 |
| markmc | right, this supposed/potential TC "desired direction" is to remove support for some use cases | 20:25 |
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| flaper87 | markmc: which is what scares me a bit | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | I guess we need someone who thinks there is a gap to step in and write up the difference then | 20:25 |
| markmc | and just that, or also re-architect to optimize just for those use cases? | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | I'd like zaqar to be able to support those use cases since I think they are fair and important for cloud services | 20:25 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure I agree with removing the use cases just to fit our notion of some other thing that zaqar might not be trying to emulate | 20:26 |
| ttx | OK, so I'm not sure we made a conclusion here. Is it "we don't want to graduate it the way it stands" ? Should we still vote on graduation on the current featureset and API ? | 20:26 |
| ttx | we seem to have two options: | 20:26 |
| annegentle | some of this plan sounds like conscription :) I kid I kid | 20:26 |
| ttx | 1- graduate it the way it is now | 20:26 |
| russellb | if it's "we don't want to graduate", i'm missing the clear justification now i think | 20:26 |
| ttx | 2- keep it in incubation and clearly state what we'd prefer | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | russellb: +1 | 20:26 |
| markmc | I'm still open to (2), but right now leaning to (1) | 20:27 |
| ttx | I'm fine with picking(2) now and elaborating on that in a future meeting | 20:27 |
| * flaper87 is fine with (1) | 20:27 | |
| flaper87 | (joke) :P | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | I mean, not a joke but... | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:27 |
| ttx | so it looks like we still need to vote. | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | I would only want to go with 2 if we had a commitment from someone here now to do the work of writing up clearly what we'd prefer, and then we all come back and agree on that | 20:27 |
| ttx | +1 would support (1) | 20:27 |
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| ttx | -1 would support (2) | 20:28 |
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| ttx | is that fair ? | 20:28 |
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| devananda | ttx: does voting now in any way affect the ability of zaqar to remain in incubation one more cycle (eg, if the vote does not pass) | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | ttx: sounds fair to me | 20:28 |
| russellb | i *think* there's consensus that a -1 is just "1 more cycle" | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | we're just taking the temperature of the room, right? we vote officially via gerrit? | 20:28 |
| russellb | that's my feeling anyway | 20:28 |
| ttx | not, -1 would be a vote for (2) (keep it in incubation and clearly state what we'd prefer) | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | well, why not vote 1 and 2 then :-) | 20:29 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no I felt like we should vote on the review | 20:29 |
| ttx | we need a final decision on this today | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | ah, I thought you meant here in the meeting | 20:29 |
| ttx | well, can be on the review during the meeting | 20:29 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/118592 | 20:29 |
| mikal | So we're voting on the review now then? | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | the sooner you guys vote, the sooner I'll get all this tension out of me :P | 20:30 |
| ttx | mikal: that's my proposal, yes, unless someone objects | 20:30 |
| vkmc | sounds good to me | 20:30 |
| * jroll watches gerrit crash from flaper87 and friends f5'ing that review :P | 20:30 | |
| * devananda votes on the dependent change (s/queue/messaging/) | 20:30 | |
| clarkb | a | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | jroll: pretty much | 20:31 |
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| ttx | russellb, markmc, annegentle, mikal, mordred, devananda, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann : ok with voting now on https://review.openstack.org/118592 between "graduate now" and "incubate a bit more, with plan coming up in subsequent meeting" ? | 20:32 |
| russellb | yes | 20:32 |
| sdague | ttx: yep, done | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | ttx: they're voting :P | 20:32 |
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| devananda | yes | 20:32 |
| * ttx F5s | 20:32 | |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:32 |
| ttx | we might not have a final decision today, as some members are not around to vote | 20:33 |
| ttx | but i'll chase them down tomorrow | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: kk, thanks | 20:33 |
| ttx | in the mean time let's switch to next topic | 20:34 |
| ttx | #topic Graduation review: Ironic (final decision) | 20:34 |
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| flaper87 | thank you all! | 20:34 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/120225 | 20:34 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 20:34 |
| ttx | flaper87: don't thank us -- I think we failed to provide the guidance you needed, if anything | 20:34 |
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| ttx | on Ironic: I think the concerns that were raised as last-minute objections last week were covered | 20:34 |
| mikal | I agree we haven't covered ourselves with glory | 20:35 |
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| ttx | And no TC member raised new objections on the thread at: | 20:35 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-September/000808.html | 20:35 |
| mikal | I'm ready to vote on ironic for what its worth | 20:35 |
| ttx | so unless we have a last-minute surprise, this looks good to go | 20:35 |
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| devananda | I will abstain on voting on Ironic for obvious reasons | 20:35 |
| sdague | for posterity, it will be interesting if people upgrading come out of the woodwork later. Not really important in the grand scheme of things, but it's amazing how many new bugs for nova are getting filed on grizzly clouds. | 20:37 |
| * jeblair wonders if our quorum is still a quorum | 20:37 | |
| sdague | well there are 6 ironic votes so far | 20:37 |
| devananda | sdague: it will be interesting indeed | 20:37 |
| markmc | jeblair, always hard to judge that :) | 20:37 |
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| JayF | For clarity; what's the bar for graduation? Majority? Plurality? 2/3? Unanimous? | 20:38 |
| jeblair | and 7 yay | 20:38 |
| ttx | actually not | 20:38 |
| ttx | It's more yes than No and at least 5 yes votes | 20:39 |
| ttx | 7 just cuts the vote short | 20:39 |
| JayF | Thanks, ttx. | 20:39 |
| ttx | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/charter.rst#n88 | 20:39 |
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| markmcclain | well 9 carries | 20:40 |
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| ttx | and 10 even more | 20:40 |
| ttx | ok, that's a win | 20:40 |
| * ttx approves it | 20:40 | |
| devananda | thanks, everyone | 20:40 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you TC! | 20:40 |
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| lucasagomes | thanks!! | 20:40 |
| devananda | the feedback in atlanta and at the midcycle was incredibly helpful in getting here | 20:41 |
| jroll | \o/ thanks all :) | 20:41 |
| devananda | I know a lot of you put in a lot of effort to helping us achieve this :) | 20:41 |
| ttx | devananda: looks like it takes us 3 cycles to give good feedback | 20:41 |
| devananda | ttx: yep. and two cycles before that to prove out the idea (when it was in Nova) | 20:41 |
| devananda | really, that's not so long in the scheme of things | 20:41 |
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| sdague | devananda: so do you have the baremetal deprecation patches up for nova? | 20:43 |
| sdague | I for one look forward to gutting that in the future | 20:43 |
| devananda | sdague: nope. I think mikal and dansmith were going to fight over who was going to push that button, and I wanted to watch | 20:43 |
| mikal | Well, let's not land those until Kilo | 20:43 |
| devananda | mikal: ++ | 20:44 |
| mikal | Heh | 20:44 |
| markmcclain | haha | 20:44 |
| russellb | not mark deprecated in juno release? | 20:44 |
| sdague | mikal: we can land deprecation... right? | 20:44 |
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| russellb | and then remove in kilo | 20:44 |
| devananda | it's already marked deprecated, isn't it? | 20:44 |
| mikal | sdague: oh true | 20:44 |
| sdague | I thought our intent was deprecate now | 20:44 |
| russellb | devananda: doubt it | 20:44 |
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| mikal | sdague: I was thinking code delete | 20:44 |
| sdague | devananda: not as far as I know | 20:44 |
| devananda | also, the proxy API landed, so we ought to turn that on by default (I'm not sure if it is or not) | 20:44 |
| sdague | devananda: so a TODO for you to make sure we've got bm deprecated :) | 20:44 |
| ttx | #topic Extra ATC patches | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extra ATC patches (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:45 | |
| ttx | We have a number of those currently proposed. | 20:45 |
| ttx | * Add Juno Compute co-authored-by authors to extra-atcs (https://review.openstack.org/119666) | 20:45 |
| ttx | * Adds Telemetry Juno co-authors as ATCs (https://review.openstack.org/119794) | 20:45 |
| ttx | * Adds Documentation co-authors as ATCs. (https://review.openstack.org/119757) | 20:45 |
| sdague | ttx: I assume these are procedural and you should just +A them through | 20:45 |
| devananda | sdague: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py#n128 | 20:45 |
| ttx | well, maybe not. As anteaya mentioned on 119666, since this piggy-backs on the extra-atcs process, it makes sense that the extra ATCs are proposed by a sponsor who checks that the names proposed are reasonable | 20:45 |
| mikal | sdague: they wre more contentious than I expected | 20:45 |
| devananda | ttx: there was a question whether all those extra atc's have signed the CLA or not | 20:45 |
| devananda | ttx: was taht answered? | 20:45 |
| sdague | devananda: it doesn't matter, their code is already in | 20:46 |
| ttx | CLa is not an issue | 20:46 |
| devananda | k | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | mikal: I noticed a couple of folks on the nova one that seemed to also have nova commits (unless I misunderstood the comments). I'm not sure that matters, but I did want to point it out. | 20:46 |
| ttx | we need to make due diligence checking they are foundation members | 20:46 |
| annegentle | sdague: that's my sense of it, it's the mechanical process we have for now, but even so that process requires TC review | 20:46 |
| mikal | dhellmann: that's a timing thing | 20:46 |
| ttx | So I think PTLs should propose for their projects, rather than one review for all (they know the names they propose and vouch for them) | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ? | 20:46 |
| ttx | Then we need to doublecheck that the proposed names are Foundation members, since ATCs must be foundation members according to the Foundation bylaws. | 20:46 |
| mikal | dhellmann: the primary author line is commits ever, the addition is based on commits post 1 April 2014 | 20:46 |
| sdague | dhellmann: so if this is for ATC conference, it probably doesn't matter | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ah, ok | 20:46 |
| ttx | We have until next week to get that straight, so I'll probably be in touch. | 20:46 |
| mikal | dhellmann: so, if you didn't do any primary commits since 1 April, but did in the past, you end up like that | 20:46 |
| devananda | ttx: I think that's reasonable, but it would be really helpful to have an automated way to do that check (maybe we already do?) | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ok, changed to +1 then | 20:47 |
| mordred | ttx: I proposed a new thought to bryce last night | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I was worried about duplicate ballots if the names didn't match exactly | 20:47 |
| ttx | devananda: we ahve a script from Doug to help | 20:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: we don't | 20:47 |
| mordred | ttx: that it is not possible to be an ATC and not a foundation member | 20:47 |
| ttx | mordred: I think it works | 20:47 |
| annegentle | agreed on the PTLs proposing | 20:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: the fact we don't is a huge pain point | 20:47 |
| devananda | anteaya: :( | 20:47 |
| anteaya | yes | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/121696 | 20:47 |
| anteaya | I am very sad | 20:47 |
| mordred | ttx: so I'm currently arguing that we do not need an additional check | 20:47 |
| ttx | mordred: even for extra-atcs ? | 20:47 |
| ttx | mordred: who do not have a gerrit account? | 20:48 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: the fungi script removes dups | 20:48 |
| mordred | yah. there is no barrier to entry for foundation membership except for interest | 20:48 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: and so does the polling app | 20:48 |
| mordred | I'd say a patch indicates interest | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: I should have known he'd have that covered. | 20:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: i thought there was an agreement | 20:48 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: good to ask though | 20:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: oh - maybe so | 20:48 |
| jeblair | https://www.openstack.org/join/register/ | 20:48 |
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| jeblair | not that i'm excited about that or anything | 20:49 |
| ttx | mordred: i'm fine with that -- we are spending way too much time on this, while foundation membership is essentially not proving anything | 20:49 |
| * markmc is confused what the debate is here | 20:49 | |
| jeblair | ttx, mordred: ++ | 20:49 |
| fungi | right, however we do have one extra atc dupe currently which is not automatically removed because she's contributed code with different e-mail addresses than the one for her in the extra-atcs file, but that's tractable | 20:49 |
| anteaya | I just need to ensure the elections are compliant with the charter | 20:49 |
| markmc | PTLs can nominate extra PTLs, and that's what they've done? Right? | 20:49 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks for picking that up | 20:49 |
| mordred | jeblair: I think my point was actually that if yuo were _ever_ a foundation member, which you should be with our current system in order to be a contributor, then it's pretty impossible for an active dev to lose it | 20:49 |
| markmc | anyone think any of the proposed people don't deserve ATC status? | 20:49 |
| ttx | markmc: yes, but ATC requires in theory that you are a foundation member | 20:49 |
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| ttx | markmc: so we may have to check that | 20:50 |
| markmc | ttx, do we think any of them aren't foundation members? | 20:50 |
| ttx | markmc: we do. | 20:50 |
| markmc | ttx, which ones? | 20:50 |
| annegentle | I want more ptls, how does this cloning occur? | 20:50 |
| jeblair | mordred: ah, yes, contributing a patch is sustaining interest. makes sense | 20:50 |
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| mikal | markmc: for my patch, I checked foundation status and they're all ok | 20:50 |
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| markmc | mikal, right, I saw ... | 20:50 |
| mikal | markmc: just checking... | 20:50 |
| zaneb | annegentle: lol | 20:50 |
| anteaya | mikal: you did a marvelous job | 20:50 |
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| mordred | jeblair: so as long as the person _has_ an account in gerrit, they're an ATC and a foundation member | 20:50 |
| ttx | markmc: jaromir Coufal for example | 20:50 |
| mikal | Its true I am fantastic | 20:50 |
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| mikal | (Sarcasm) | 20:50 |
| sdague | so I think honestly just ask each PTL if they checked foundation membership status | 20:51 |
| markmc | ttx, he was already approved though :) | 20:51 |
| sdague | if they say yes, it's procedural | 20:51 |
| ttx | markmc: my point :) | 20:51 |
| markmc | sdague, right, make it part of the process | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | mikal: no, really, take a minute to brag about your work :-) | 20:51 |
| jeblair | mordred: er, you can have an account in gerrit and never have joined the foundation | 20:51 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah - sorry, account in gerrit and cla flag signed | 20:51 |
| mikal | mordred: and you need both of those for gerrit to allow a code upload, yes? | 20:52 |
| mordred | mikal: yes - but we do not enforce it for co-authored-by | 20:52 |
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| mikal | mordred: yep, I get that | 20:52 |
| ttx | so it looks like the Zaqar vote hinges on dhellmann and jaypipes | 20:52 |
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| anteaya | mikal: just the inital code upload | 20:52 |
| mikal | mordred: there's an explaination of how I tried to work it out in the commit message for 119666 | 20:52 |
| sdague | honestly, I feel like the edge cases aren't super interesting here. If someone wants to object later to someone else's ATC membership, so be it. But I think we should operate on good faith from the PTL | 20:53 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:53 |
| anteaya | the edge cases are important to me | 20:53 |
| ttx | yeah, i'm ready to take a leap of faith at this point | 20:53 |
| anteaya | since these are the folks the 1% that I have to spend time verifying if their ballot is lost | 20:53 |
| ttx | mordred: to close the loophole I wanted to research those names and propose that they join the foundation though | 20:53 |
| anteaya | which I figure will be around 20 people this round | 20:54 |
| sdague | anteaya: but that's the false negative case right? | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, I think we're just trying to make anteaya and fungi's jobs easier come election time | 20:54 |
| anteaya | sdague: some are | 20:54 |
| ttx | which is what I meant by "due diligence" | 20:54 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: yes and thank you | 20:54 |
| fungi | anteaya: how many ask you why they received a ballot and claim to not be contributors? | 20:54 |
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| anteaya | fungi: none | 20:54 |
| anteaya | is that what sdague meant by false negative? | 20:55 |
| sdague | anteaya: right, but that seems to be the way we might possible error | 20:55 |
| fungi | which is the theoretical risk being presented here | 20:55 |
| anteaya | sorry I miss understood | 20:55 |
| anteaya | sdague: one way | 20:55 |
| sdague | and, honestly, I'm ok with that error | 20:55 |
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| anteaya | if the rest of the tc is too, then fine | 20:55 |
| anteaya | since I take my direction from the tc | 20:55 |
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| fungi | it doesn't seem likely to either increase or complicate the case of people who expected ballots not receiving them | 20:56 |
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| anteaya | fwiw this is coming about since the offering of the resign button | 20:57 |
| anteaya | this sort of issue was never an issue prior to the availability of that feature | 20:57 |
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| anteaya | did everybody leave? | 20:58 |
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| dhellmann | we do want the rolls to be reduced, though, to make passing changes easier | 20:58 |
| sdague | no idea, I just figured I'd stated my point and was waiting for others to say a thing :) | 20:58 |
| annegentle | anteaya: in my case it was a big book sprint | 20:58 |
| anteaya | annegentle: and you confirmed all your names, thank you | 20:58 |
| ttx | OK, we can resolve that one off-meeting | 20:58 |
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| annegentle | anteaya: with newcomers with cloud architectures in their heads that wanted out | 20:58 |
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| ttx | and on the patches | 20:58 |
| ttx | we need to cover a bit more | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Project Testing interface description update | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Testing interface description update (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:59 | |
| ttx | mordred has been pushing a number of patches about the project testing interface: | 20:59 |
| ttx | * Import the Project Testing Interface description (https://review.openstack.org/119872) | 20:59 |
| ttx | * Two minor style cleanups (https://review.openstack.org/119873) | 20:59 |
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| ttx | * Update testing interface to reflect reality (https://review.openstack.org/119874) | 20:59 |
| ttx | * Add a docs environment to the testing interface (https://review.openstack.org/119875) | 20:59 |
| ttx | I think they all reflect the current situation, and will approve them whenever they get 7 +1s | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other governance changes (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:59 | |
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| ttx | * The Oslo program is adopting pylockfile (https://review.openstack.org/117622) | 20:59 |
| mordred | ttx: one is different | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | I would really like to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117622/ resolved, too, since we're already acting like oslo has adopted the library and if I need to undo that or move it to stackforge or something I'd like to do it soon | 20:59 |
| mordred | ttx: ONE may need to be discussed, it's a new idea | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | heh, timing | 20:59 |
| ttx | mikal and russellb still have -1s on this one | 20:59 |
| ttx | mordred: which one? | 21:00 |
| markmc | dhellmann, that was one awesome justification logic sequence thing! :) | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: docs venv | 21:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann posted the rationale for it, so let us know if your concerns still stand | 21:00 |
| * dhellmann takes a bow | 21:00 | |
| * mikal looks | 21:00 | |
| markmc | "here's our reasoning" heh | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: I mean, it's also the current de facto, so you can probably just +A it | 21:00 |
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| mordred | but it _is_ mildly new | 21:00 |
| russellb | i wonder why i have a -1 | 21:00 |
| ttx | mordred: yes, would like to get 7 yes on that one | 21:00 |
| russellb | i wonder if it was just gertty n00b fail | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: kk | 21:00 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's not defacto | 21:00 |
| jeblair | it's actually a substantial change | 21:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: there are only 13 repos in all of our repos that do not have it | 21:01 |
| ttx | * Add keystoneclient-kerberos repo to Keystone (https://review.openstack.org/120310) | 21:01 |
| ttx | This is a classic project addition. We'll need dolphm's ack on this one, then unless someone objects it will be approved | 21:01 |
| russellb | changed to +1 | 21:01 |
| ttx | * Add tempest-lib to the QA Program (https://review.openstack.org/119935) | 21:01 |
| jeblair | the question is about whether we support running anything before docs | 21:01 |
| ttx | Same here, but the PTL proposed it so I assume he is OK with it. Will approve tomorrow, unless someone complains | 21:01 |
| jeblair | okay we're not talking about it. nevermind. | 21:01 |
| ttx | * Add reference to neutronincubator project (https://review.openstack.org/117000) | 21:01 |
| ttx | markmcclain: Should this one be abandoned now ? | 21:01 |
| mordred | jeblair: nod. let's get ttx to put it on next weeks' meeting | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | ttx: likely but one last item to finalize before I remove it | 21:01 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: ok | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 21:02 | |
| ttx | As a reminder, we'll have a phone presentation on CLA/DCO by Mark Radcliffe | 21:02 |
| ttx | Thursday at 15:00 UTC for those interested | 21:02 |
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| ttx | So it looks like the zaqar vote reached 7 no | 21:02 |
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| jeblair | i proposed this change on the cla/dco https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120260/ | 21:03 |
| jeblair | i don't think the board has that on the agenda this thursday, so i don't think it's urgent | 21:03 |
| ttx | I'll wait for jaypipes to vote and check if anyone changes their vote in the mean time, then officialize the result | 21:03 |
| annegentle | jeblair: re: without docs do you mean kerberos/keystone info? | 21:03 |
| ttx | and we are out of time | 21:03 |
| jeblair | annegentle: sorry? what's the context? | 21:04 |
| ttx | jeblair: I wanted us to discuss it next week, once we get Radcliffe's perspective | 21:04 |
| annegentle | [16:01] <jeblair> okay we're not talking about it. nevermind. | 21:04 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 21:04:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-16-20.02.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-16-20.02.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-16-20.02.log.html | 21:04 |
| annegentle | sorry can't go this many minutes over! :) | 21:04 |
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| ttx | yeah, sorry about that | 21:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, mikal, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:05 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:05 |
| jeblair | annegentle: no, i was trying to participate in the discussion about the project testing interface | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:05 |
| * devananda lurks | 21:05 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:05 |
| jeblair | annegentle: but we blew right past that without even realizing we needed to talk about it | 21:05 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:05 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:05 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 21:05:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:05 |
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| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:06 |
| annegentle | jeblair: okay, yep, guess it goes to next week | 21:06 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:06 |
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| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Here is the log: | 21:07 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-16-08.01.html | 21:08 |
| ttx | We have a few projects with FFEs still open (Heat, Trove, Glance, Sahara) | 21:08 |
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| ttx | but all the others are feature-complete at that point | 21:08 |
| ttx | and the focus is now on identifying RC bugs | 21:09 |
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| ttx | and getting all of them fixed | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other program news (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:09 | |
| ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:09 |
| mtreinish | ttx: nothing from me | 21:09 |
| annegentle | nothing here | 21:09 |
| mtreinish | oh except that I'm hoping to have the first release of tempest-lib out in the next week or 2 | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | I'll just remind everyone Oslo will be cutting final releases Thursday around mid-day US Eastern. We'll be tagging commits that have already been tagged as releases, and I have a patch ready for the global requirements list to update to those versions. | 21:10 |
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| mikal | It might also be worth reminding people of the September 18 library release deadline | 21:11 |
| mikal | Which includes client libraries | 21:11 |
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| dhellmann | I think we moved clients to the 19th to allow them to update their requirements for the oslo libs, didn't we? | 21:11 |
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| ttx | yes | 21:12 |
| mikal | Ahhh, ok | 21:12 |
| mikal | I missed that | 21:12 |
| * mestery may have cut a client release too early today :( | 21:12 | |
| mikal | Yeah, me too | 21:12 |
| mikal | Such is life I suppose | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | version numbers are cheap | 21:12 |
| mestery | dhellmann: Ha :) | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | check if you actually depend on any oslo libraries before worrying about it | 21:12 |
| mestery | dhellmann: Got it | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | mestery: you guys use cliff, but we did a release of that using a non-alpha number last week | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I don't expect another release of cliff this week | 21:13 |
| mestery | dhellmann: thanks! | 21:13 |
| mikal | oslo.utils for me... | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | mestery: I don't know if you're using oslo.utils, that would be the -- yeah -- other one to check for | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | oh, we're likely to do a pbr release tomorrow morning as a precursor to making that 1.0 on thursday | 21:15 |
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| mikal | Sounds like we can move on? | 21:16 |
| ttx | #topic Giving ATC credit to Co-Authors (generating extra-atcs) | 21:16 |
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| ttx | So... Co-Authors (people credited using a Co-Authored-By header in commit messages) do not automatically get ATC status | 21:17 |
| ttx | If you consider their contribution to be substantial, you may want to propose them for extra-atc status, which will allow them to vote on upcoming PTL and TC elections | 21:17 |
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| ttx | This is done by proposing a patch to openstack/governance | 21:17 |
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| mikal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119666/ is an example patch | 21:17 |
| ttx | mikal did it for Nova, and tere ios a ceilo and a docs patch up too | 21:17 |
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| ttx | you migth want to consider running the same script | 21:17 |
| mikal | This is an issue for Compute because of the large number of ironic driver authors we imported this release cycle | 21:17 |
| mikal | The script I used is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121730/ | 21:17 |
| ttx | This week is the last week to do it, since election season starts next week | 21:17 |
| mikal | Note that you need to hand verify foundation membership status if they aren' | 21:18 |
| mikal | t a primary author in any of our repos | 21:18 |
| mikal | I figure perhaps other programs don't care as much as I do | 21:18 |
| mestery | mikal ttx: Thanks for setting this up, I'll have a look at this for Neutron. | 21:18 |
| mikal | But wanted people to know about it | 21:18 |
| david-lyle | ttx: I pinged Jaromir about the membership, should be added soon | 21:19 |
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| mtreinish | mikal, ttx: thanks, I'll take a look for qa too. I'm not sure how many co-authors there are who aren't already atcs | 21:20 |
| ttx | david-lyle: heh ok | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:21 |
| mikal | I think it should be low unless you did a big import like we did? | 21:21 |
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| ttx | that's all we had on agenda topics, anything else to discuss ? | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | mikal: yeah that's what I'm thinking, it's probably 0 | 21:21 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 21:23 |
| jeblair | we're scheduling a brief gerrit downtime for the manila rename this friday; msg to -dev lish should arrive shortly | 21:23 |
| jeblair | list | 21:23 |
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| * fungi is drafting now | 21:24 | |
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| ttx | rename from stackforge ? | 21:26 |
| fungi | yep | 21:26 |
| fungi | namespace move | 21:26 |
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| ttx | OK, anything else, anyone ? | 21:27 |
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| ttx | guess not | 21:29 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 21:29:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-16-21.05.html | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-16-21.05.txt | 21:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-16-21.05.log.html | 21:29 |
| ttx | thanks everyone | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, ttx | 21:30 |
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