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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 17 12:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| asalkeld | o/ | 12:00 |
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| mspreitz | alhoa | 12:00 |
| ryansb | \o | 12:00 |
| inc0 | \o/ | 12:01 |
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| zaneb | hmm, small crowd today | 12:01 |
| BillArnold_ | hi | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, ... | 12:02 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: jpeeler is supposed to be in today, not sure where he is atm though | 12:03 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | look rent a crowd;) | 12:03 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | hi tspatzier | 12:03 |
| zaneb | shardy? | 12:03 |
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| zaneb | ok, let's get started | 12:04 |
| pas-ha | skraynev is on vacation | 12:04 |
| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:04 | |
| zaneb | pretty sure there weren't any | 12:04 |
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| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-10-20.02.html | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | s/heat/ansible :-O | 12:05 |
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| zaneb | ok, there was reviews for FFE blueprints | 12:05 |
| zaneb | which I think all got reviewed or bumped | 12:05 |
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| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| mspreitz | HARestarter | 12:06 |
| mspreitz | "provider resource" | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, you don't love my docs;) | 12:06 |
| mspreitz | actually I quite appreciate that something is being done | 12:06 |
| ryansb | SupportStatus (from ML discussion) | 12:06 |
| mspreitz | I am just confused by one term | 12:06 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: are those two different topics? | 12:07 |
| mspreitz | yes | 12:07 |
| * zaneb has not caught up on review comments | 12:07 | |
| mspreitz | ryansb: what is the ML subject line? | 12:07 |
| zaneb | ok, could be a longer meeting than I thought | 12:07 |
| ryansb | mspreitz: "Defining what is a SupportStatus version" | 12:08 |
| ryansb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045038.html | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | note I added this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: good job, thanks | 12:09 |
| zaneb | we'll make a PTL out of you yet | 12:09 |
| zaneb | ;) | 12:09 |
| inc0 | I might have 2 words to add about better HA;) | 12:09 |
| zaneb | ok | 12:09 |
| zaneb | #topic Review priorities & release status | 12:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review priorities & release status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:09 | |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | inc0, high availability? | 12:09 |
| zaneb | so we got 5 FFEs merged | 12:10 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, yes, I'm getting email to openstack-dev ready | 12:10 |
| zaneb | I think 2 low-priority ones got bumped | 12:10 |
| zaneb | so at this stage of the release cycle, effort should be focussed on bug fixing and reviews of bug fixes | 12:11 |
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| asalkeld | i started looking at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1319813 | 12:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319813 in heat "no event recorded for INIT_* resources" [Medium,Triaged] | 12:11 |
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| zaneb | also, python-heatclient reviews for all of these features that were added. there are a bunch | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | but got into the weeds | 12:11 |
| zaneb | #action review python-heatclient support for merged features as a priority | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | ryansb, we need a query for rc1 bugs/bp | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | :) | 12:12 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, Gerrit can't do that | 12:13 |
| zaneb | queries are very simplistic :/ | 12:13 |
| zaneb | that's about all I have to say on this topic... | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | wouldn't it be nice if gerrit could get the bug priorty and target | 12:13 |
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| zaneb | #topic HARestarter | 12:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HARestarter (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:14 | |
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| ryansb | asalkeld: I can try, not sure it's possible | 12:14 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, that's probably the Storyboard you are dreaming about | 12:14 |
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| zaneb | so HARestarter is an evolutionary dead-end and I proposed a patch to deprecate it | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, not sure | 12:15 |
| zaneb | because I am constantly seeing people completely misunderstand what it is and what it does | 12:15 |
| zaneb | hi, inc0 ;) | 12:15 |
| zaneb | but I gather mspreitz objects | 12:15 |
| inc0 | zaneb, hello, I hope you don't hate me just yet;) | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, so the new version would just delete the resource and convergence would fix it? | 12:15 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I'm not sure that we need a "new version" for that | 12:16 |
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| mspreitz | can someone explain why HARestarter will not be supportable in the future? | 12:16 |
| zaneb | but yes, once we have convergence just deleting the offending resource would be infinitely preferable to what we do now | 12:16 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: resources are supposed to be independent | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, it's not very generic, and does not handle dependant resources | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | so restart deletes the server | 12:17 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: that resource operates on its containing stack | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | and doesn't know what to do with volumes/networks | 12:18 |
| mspreitz | I understand that the name is misleading. That is easily fixed by a non-sharp transition to a new name. | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | maybe do something like the autoscaling | 12:18 |
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| asalkeld | and make the item of monitoring/restarting a nested stack | 12:19 |
| zaneb | tbh I don't feel like there is a lot more to discuss here | 12:19 |
| zaneb | deprecation is not removal | 12:19 |
| zaneb | it's an indicator to users of our future plans | 12:19 |
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| inc0 | I am preparing email describing how we could use convergence to fix stateful vms, which could not be simply deleted and recreated | 12:19 |
| zaneb | which have been discussed to death on many, many occasions | 12:19 |
| mspreitz | Will we give users a transition period, during with both HARestarter and whatever we prefer to replace it with are both available? | 12:20 |
| mspreitz | s/with/which | 12:20 |
| mspreitz | Will we give users a transition period, during which both HARestarter and whatever we prefer to replace it with are both available? | 12:20 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: fair question. I don't think we have decided | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, any thing more? | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | next(topic) | 12:21 |
| mspreitz | yes more | 12:21 |
| zaneb | I don't think there will be a 'replacement' as such | 12:21 |
| mspreitz | It is pretty tough on users if there is no transition period | 12:21 |
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| zaneb | it will become irrelevant with convergence | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | Users need a way to do HA | 12:22 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: well, it's even tougher if we don't warn them in advance | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | that is *replace* a user chosen set of things | 12:22 |
| zaneb | so that's why we're deprecating | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | I am fine with warning | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | but we need to give users and/or providers something they can do | 12:22 |
| zaneb | at the time removal is proposed would be the time to object if there are still people relying on it | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | If the whole idea of *replacement* is a dead-end, I want to start preparing now | 12:23 |
| mspreitz | But there needs to be an effective way to do HA, now and in the future | 12:23 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: I think inc0 has some ideas for you, but that's another topic | 12:23 |
| mspreitz | I can do HA now with HARestarter, that is the only way now | 12:23 |
| mspreitz | Maybe we should hear that first | 12:24 |
| zaneb | #topic Nova HA | 12:24 |
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| mspreitz | a "warning" that simply says you will not be able to do something in the future is not very good | 12:24 |
| zaneb | inc0: go | 12:24 |
| inc0 | well I want to get discussion running about joing convergence and nova service_group and evacuate | 12:25 |
| inc0 | I will send email to openstack-dev about that soon describing detailed idea | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | sorry mspreitz my wifi went weird and i didn't see any output for 5 mins | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | service_group or server_group? | 12:25 |
| inc0 | service_group ofc, thanks | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: not much, really | 12:25 |
| inc0 | so flow would be: covergence observes given resource, for example vm | 12:26 |
| mspreitz | inc0: is there a short version for here? | 12:26 |
| inc0 | host with this vm dies, nova posts notification | 12:26 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-17-12.00.log.txt has the scrollback if you need it | 12:26 |
| therve | Is it really service group? What's that? | 12:26 |
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| inc0 | convergence gets this notif and restarts vm on different host | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, ta | 12:27 |
| inc0 | using shared storage | 12:27 |
| inc0 | so in effect this will look like normal restart from vm perspective | 12:27 |
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| inc0 | this won't cover things like kernel panics in vm, but will cover hardware failure | 12:28 |
| zaneb | inc0: is the shared storage really something that Heat should know about? isn't that Nova's job to handle? | 12:28 |
| inc0 | zaneb, nova will, heat just will send api call about evacuation | 12:28 |
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| mspreitz | why were server groups mentioned? | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | this is the difference between active and passive monitoring | 12:28 |
| inc0 | equivalent to nova evacuate instance --on-shared-storage | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | I mean, they were not mentioned in the outline | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | very different things | 12:28 |
| inc0 | if this option will be used by client | 12:28 |
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| inc0 | mspreitz, service_group, nova uses zookeeper to monitor health of hosts | 12:29 |
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| inc0 | and convergence will want to know when host dies because that might affect stack | 12:29 |
| mspreitz | sorry I misread earlier response | 12:29 |
| therve | inc0, Does it really need to involve heat? | 12:30 |
| zaneb | inc0: I don't want to know when a host dies | 12:30 |
| inc0 | therve, I think yes, not on low level | 12:30 |
| zaneb | I want to know when my VM dies | 12:30 |
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| inc0 | zaneb, ok, but it would be more effective way to connect one with another | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | If host dies, nova knows that VM died | 12:31 |
| mspreitz | Nova should emit notification of both, right? | 12:31 |
| zaneb | right, but Nova should so that connecting | 12:31 |
| zaneb | s/so/do/ | 12:31 |
| therve | +1 | 12:31 |
| inc0 | sure, but we want to know that vm is needed to be restarted | 12:31 |
| inc0 | one way or another | 12:31 |
| zaneb | Nova is an abstraction layer for hosts | 12:31 |
| Qiming_ | mspreitz, Nova cannot do that, current VM lifecycle event are emitted from nova-compute, which goes away with the host | 12:31 |
| zaneb | nothing outside Nova should know that hosts exist | 12:32 |
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| mspreitz | Qming_: sounds like a bug in Nova | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | conductor could emit that event | 12:32 |
| mspreitz | Nova should emit the notifications about Nova resources | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | yip | 12:32 |
| zaneb | +1 | 12:32 |
| inc0 | right now nova doesn't do notifs about host health | 12:32 |
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| mspreitz | we don't care about host health | 12:33 |
| mspreitz | we care about virtual resources that Heat created | 12:33 |
| inc0 | so since we'll need to make them anyway, we can append info about resources affected | 12:33 |
| therve | I'm not even sure why we talk about that. Is there anything actionable? | 12:33 |
| inc0 | and that is what convergence will parse | 12:33 |
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| mspreitz | Heat does not necessarily even know the host for everything it creates | 12:33 |
| inc0 | anyway, however we do that, convergence will trigger nova action | 12:33 |
| Qiming_ | asalkeld, I hope nova-conductor will emit host failure events, along with a list of VMs that were running on that failed host, but the thing is not there yet | 12:33 |
| mspreitz | note that servers are not the only things with hosts | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | Qiming_, sure - nova bug | 12:34 |
| mspreitz | and Cinder | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | we need to come up with a design for future guest hat | 12:34 |
| mspreitz | and Neutron? | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | lol | 12:34 |
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| asalkeld | guest ha | 12:34 |
| zaneb | so to summarise this discussion... | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | probably doesn't need to be now | 12:34 |
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| zaneb | in the future Nova may emit more useful notifications than it does now | 12:34 |
| zaneb | we should plan on listening for them. | 12:35 |
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| inc0 | and act on them | 12:35 |
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| ryansb | so doesn't that not really change plans? I feel like that's in scope for convergence already | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: we should actively lobby for more useful notifications from Nova, Cinder, whatever else is relevant | 12:35 |
| inc0 | thats what convergence is supposed to do right? | 12:35 |
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| Qiming_ | if only Nova provides sufficient support to host/vm failure detection and recovery, Heat only needs to decide what are the additonal options that should be exposed to end users | 12:35 |
| zaneb | #topic SupportStatus versions | 12:36 |
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| asalkeld | inc0, at least give tools to the user to be able to do that | 12:36 |
| inc0 | ryansb, yeah, but what is beyond scope of convergene is configurable actiosn | 12:36 |
| zaneb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045038.html | 12:36 |
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| mspreitz | Now that inc0 has spoken, I'd like to return to HARestarter | 12:36 |
| therve | I think there is another topic | 12:36 |
| zaneb | we have moved on to SupportStatus | 12:36 |
| ryansb | inc0: ah, thank you. | 12:36 |
| zaneb | was there a conclusion to this thread? | 12:37 |
| ryansb | zaneb: no | 12:37 |
| zaneb | I thought we were going with Gauvain's proposal | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | +1 to the git tag | 12:37 |
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| asalkeld | what ever that is | 12:37 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: It didn't look like we reached a conclusion, which is why I brought it up. | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | not sure the standard lib thing made sense | 12:38 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, and SpamapS ended up agreeing | 12:38 |
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| asalkeld | 2014.X | 12:38 |
| Qiming_ | git tag is not consistent at the moment, it is mixing 2014.2.b3 with juno-3, IIRC | 12:38 |
| zaneb | ryansb: which part is unresolved? | 12:39 |
| zaneb | Qiming_: well... it's always going to be a _future_ git tag, right | 12:39 |
| zaneb | so if you added a resource last week, you'd say it's available from 2014.2 | 12:39 |
| ryansb | zaneb: I saw 2 proposals, one for deployers to host documentation on their deployment | 12:40 |
| Qiming_ | zaneb, agreed | 12:40 |
| mspreitz | Can commit have more than one tag? How about a series of tags that are about the supported resources? | 12:40 |
| ryansb | and one for having our up-to-date CI-deployed docs include a supported-since tag | 12:40 |
| zaneb | ryansb: those ideas are not in conflict :) | 12:40 |
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| asalkeld | yeah they get the version from the same place | 12:41 |
| ryansb | Fair enough. | 12:41 |
| asalkeld | it's only a question of 2014.x or juno/icehouse | 12:41 |
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| asalkeld | and it seemed most were +1 for 2014 | 12:41 |
| mspreitz | git has something that increases in a linear way | 12:42 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that's true, but I imagine that deployers should just strip out the version when they generate their own docs. their users only care about what their cloud currently supports | 12:42 |
| mspreitz | but I do not know if it is exposed a something that is syntactically linear increasing | 12:42 |
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| asalkeld | i don't think this is a big issue | 12:43 |
| zaneb | here's my position: the docs.o.o docs are for the OpenStack project. The OpenStack project does releases every 6 months. Therefore it should document the release in which stuff was added | 12:43 |
| zaneb | if individual users have different requirements, they can generate their own docs from the same source | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | sure | 12:44 |
| therve | +1 | 12:44 |
| zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 12:45 |
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| zaneb | thanks to the folks who fixed the gate | 12:45 |
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| zaneb | we need to keep a closer eye on the requirements sync, apparently | 12:45 |
| zaneb | any other critical issues? | 12:45 |
| therve | What happened? | 12:45 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, you mean sycn it faster? | 12:45 |
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| asalkeld | requirements got to the 55 review i think | 12:46 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: yeah, I mean actually review the auto-proposed patch :) | 12:46 |
| therve | AH because of the config change, yeah it took some time | 12:46 |
| therve | Should we move out the generated config? | 12:46 |
| pas-ha | therve, not only | 12:46 |
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| pas-ha | there was a version mismatch in requirements between oslo.db and heat | 12:47 |
| * zaneb had no idea the patch was there | 12:47 | |
| zaneb | ryansb: maybe that should be at the top of our dashboard :) | 12:47 |
| therve | pas-ha, Isn't that the point? | 12:48 |
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| pas-ha | yes, but oslo.db released before we synced | 12:48 |
| ryansb | dashboard law #451 all dashboards eventually encompass everything, such that you require a dashboard-dashboard. | 12:48 |
| ryansb | zaneb: I'll look into it. | 12:48 |
| zaneb | ryansb: "OpenStack Proposal Bot" is the one to look for | 12:48 |
| therve | We should look into an incubator sync maybe before release too | 12:49 |
| zaneb | therve: that's probably wise | 12:49 |
| therve | I'll do it | 12:49 |
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| zaneb | #action therve sync oslo incubator | 12:50 |
| zaneb | ok, looking at https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 we are not in terrible shape | 12:50 |
| zaneb | please review bug fixes | 12:51 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:51 |
| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:51 |
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| zaneb | I think we got to all the proposed topics? | 12:51 |
| therve | https://review.openstack.org/92124 should be ready if the window is still open :) | 12:51 |
| mspreitz | didn't finish one | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | provider templates | 12:52 |
| mspreitz | right | 12:52 |
| zaneb | therve: it's not, sorry :( I had to bump your bp | 12:52 |
| therve | zaneb, Oh okay :/ | 12:52 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: missed one topic | 12:52 |
| mspreitz | as well as not finish another | 12:52 |
| zaneb | therve: yesterday was pretty much the deadline | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, ... | 12:53 |
| therve | Damn | 12:53 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: oh, sorry. let's do that one now then | 12:53 |
| mspreitz | topic missed: what does the term "provider resource" mean | 12:53 |
| mspreitz | as far as I can tell, it means "nested stack" | 12:53 |
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| mspreitz | that is, when documenting nested stacks, why use the term "provider resource"? | 12:54 |
| zaneb | afaik it doesn't mean anything | 12:54 |
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| asalkeld | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Providers | 12:54 |
| zaneb | a provider stack is a nested stack generated from a provider template | 12:54 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: so we should just say "nested stack"? | 12:54 |
| Qiming_ | nested stack is an implementation detail, IMO | 12:54 |
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| zaneb | you can have a provider _for_ a resource | 12:55 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121741/6/doc/hot-guide/source/composition.rst | 12:55 |
| asalkeld | line 20 ^ | 12:55 |
| zaneb | jasond wrote a glossary of this stuff somewhere | 12:55 |
| mspreitz | ah, that wiki page helps explain | 12:56 |
| zaneb | it should be in the docs | 12:56 |
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| zaneb | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/glossary.html | 12:56 |
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| mspreitz | frankly I think using the term "provider" here is just mystifying, and could be entirely dropped. If it is used, it needs explanation | 12:56 |
| mspreitz | it is just a bit of detail about nested stacks | 12:57 |
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| zaneb | Provider resource | 12:57 |
| zaneb | A resource implemented by a provider template. The parent resource’s properties become the nested stack’s parameters. See What are “Providers”? (OpenStack Wiki). | 12:57 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, i thought i added some nice text to help | 12:57 |
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| mspreitz | yes, that glossary explains | 12:57 |
| mspreitz | until now, I thought "provider" was shorthand for "cloud provider" | 12:58 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: not all nested stacks are providers | 12:58 |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: perhaps I missed your latest update | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | " | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | A note on the terminology: | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | "provider" does not refer to the "provider of the cloud" but to the | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | fact that a user can "provide" their own resource types. The term | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | is historical but the reader could think of these in terms of | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | "custom" or "template" resource types. | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | " | 12:58 |
| mspreitz | I remain mystified about why it is important to make this distinction. Why not just speak of nested stacks? | 12:58 |
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| asalkeld | shrug | 12:59 |
| mspreitz | Yes, "custom" would be much better! | 12:59 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: an OS::Heat::Stack resource is also a nested stack, but not a provider | 12:59 |
| * Qiming_ sighs... | 12:59 | |
| * asalkeld need to sleep | 12:59 | |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: yes, I missed your latest update. That helps a lot! | 12:59 |
| zaneb | also, nested stacks are an implementation detail, not something the user should be concerned with | 12:59 |
| zaneb | ok, time is up | 13:00 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 17 13:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-17-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-17-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| asalkeld | night all | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-17-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
| mspreitz | If the user supplies the template, I think it makes no sense to try to obscure the fact that he is getting a stack | 13:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 17 15:05:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think BobBall is ill today, there might be no meeting today | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | some nice bug patches up for review | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 17 15:07:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-17-15.05.html | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-17-15.05.txt | 15:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-17-15.05.log.html | 15:07 |
| kragniz | johnthetubaguy: that was a fun meeting :P | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kragniz: yeah | 15:10 |
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| jgriffith | cinder meeting? | 15:59 |
| flip214 | already here. | 15:59 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 17 16:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| flip214 | although I hoped for none, as the agenda was still empty a few hours ago ;) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | hello | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| glenng | Hey guys1 | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Ok, let's get going | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
| avishay | hi | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | hi | 16:01 |
| jkremer | hi | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: thanks for putting the agenda together | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: you wanna drive since you did the work :) | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT | Sure | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | I don't think I can do #topic magic though | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | FFEs - are we all done with them? looks like it | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Just want to check none have been missed | 16:02 |
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| bswartz | you can probably #chair jgriffith DuncanT or something like that | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: was just trying to be polite and not steal his topics | 16:03 |
| bswartz | (there's a meetbot command to set multiple chairs -- can't remember it) | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | I'll assume nobody has any FFEs pending then? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so yeah, seems like it... IMO I'm done with Feature adds at this point | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT | ...which segues nicely into the next topic. Are we going to -2 the reviews that are up that are new features? | 16:04 |
| timcl | Has the ffe etherpad been updated? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I am :) | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | timcl: I updated a few, then realised they were all merged and got bored | 16:05 |
| timcl | thx | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Ok, -2s it is. | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | #topic submarine features | 16:06 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | don't do it :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | nuf said? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Can you explain what that means? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:06 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: just change the smiley face to a threatening one | 16:06 |
| avishay | then nuf said | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Torpedo features? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it means don't try and submit a feature and disguise it as a bug | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: like "bug = my driver doesn't do consistency groups" | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Ah, yeah, sounds bad. | 16:07 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119938/ | 16:07 |
| bswartz | ^ this is a gray area -- a bug that can only be fixed by adding a new feature | 16:07 |
| glenng | As is NFS Security… | 16:08 |
| bswartz | the link I posted was not NFS security, but.... yeah | 16:08 |
| bswartz | >_< | 16:08 |
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| glenng | YEah | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: not gray IMO | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: that's a bug | 16:09 |
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| bswartz | okay I agree | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | pools was the feature | 16:09 |
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| bswartz | was just looking for clarification | 16:09 |
| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121820/ | 16:09 |
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| tbarron | we consider this a bug | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | anyway... we're all adults | 16:09 |
| glenng | jgriffith: And NFS Security? We have a bug on that but it is a large set of changes. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | surely we can play nicely | 16:09 |
| tbarron | but we are adding some information | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: if we are not required to submit a blueprint for new driver feature any more, it will be even harder to distinguish between them | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | glenng: that's a bug | 16:10 |
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| tbarron | I don't want somebody to decide that it's an enhancement and scold me :-) | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | glenng: but sadly I realize it will likely lead to additional bugs | 16:10 |
| glenng | *likes stepping on bugs* | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | tbarron: no scolding, just a -1 or -2 | 16:10 |
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| glenng | jgritffith: Yeah, good chance. | 16:10 |
| tbarron | :-) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: and if somebody is wrong you can inform them of your position | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | ok... any questions? | 16:11 |
| tbarron | kk, the current implementation is pretty broken IMO and it's all orthogonal to | 16:11 |
| tbarron | anything outside our own driver | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | anybody have anything in the queue that might be questionable they want to discuss? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: don't know what you're referring to? | 16:11 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: I have some bugs..dont thnk anybody questioned them | 16:12 |
| tbarron | my little bug :) | 16:12 |
| tbarron | enuf here ... | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: what is "your little bug" | 16:12 |
| glenng | jgriffith: NFS Security work is a item I would like to touch on. | 16:12 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119938/ | 16:12 |
| bswartz | DOH | 16:12 |
| bswartz | wrong link | 16:12 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121820/ | 16:12 |
| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121820/ | 16:12 |
| tbarron | jinx | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: this one is already merged. can you help update the blueprint status? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/emc-vnx-direct-driver-cg-support | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | sigh | 16:13 |
| navneet_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120407/ | 16:13 |
| navneet_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119311/ | 16:14 |
| navneet_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119340/ | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120407/ is clearly a bugfix and fine | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | geesh netapp! | 16:14 |
| glenng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/ | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | alwasy the same | 16:14 |
| glenng | Pick ME!!! | 16:14 |
| glenng | hehe | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | What is with the parade of review links ? | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | We will get the reviews and decide how to proceed. | 16:15 |
| avishay | where do these bugs come from after ever feature freeze? something is clearly wrong with testing... | 16:15 |
| glenng | jungleboyj: Reaction to the threat of -2 ;-) | 16:15 |
| navneet_ | DuncanT: other two plzzz | 16:15 |
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| navneet_ | avishay: bugs from customers | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | glenng: The NFS security issues are a bug, though I'd like to see it merged soon enough to get some testing before release, given the size of the change | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: well, they're late | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | glenng: Lots of pending comments | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: and you should at the very least keep on top of them | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: just dumping them in gerrit isn't cool at this point | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: they've all failed | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: People don't test until after FF. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: you could fix them? | 16:16 |
| glenng | DuncanT: Yes sir. I have a question on one item from review. All other items have been refactored. | 16:16 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: they are thr since long...I asked guys to reiew them | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | glenng: :-) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: they've failed Jenkins | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | glenng: Awesome, keep up the great work! | 16:17 |
| bswartz | avishay: I think the bugs are coming because we spent time on increased test coverage and we found more issues | 16:17 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: thats recent auto merge | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: 7 days ago on the one | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: just fix it | 16:17 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: I will rebase | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: no need to argue | 16:17 |
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| * avishay proposes a gate test for 100% unit test coverage on all new code + integration tests on new features for Kilo | 16:18 | |
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| DuncanT | Clear bugs we can continue fixing... anything questionable can be discussed in IRC | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | avishay: That'll just mean we get crappy unit tests to increase coverage, and we've enough poor tests as-is | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: well put | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ok.... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | #topic Hot Issues | 16:19 |
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| avishay | DuncanT: i guess | 16:19 |
| rushiagr | that reminds me of a question I had: who is in charge of targetting a bug to a milestone, and upto when? I'd love to read a doc/wiki regarding if any.. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Any hot issues that may not have bugs targetted to RC yet? | 16:19 |
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| eharney | requirements.txt is ancient | 16:20 |
| eharney | i was looking this morning to see if any updates there are needed... not sure yet | 16:20 |
| rushiagr | navneet_'s bug wasn't on launchpad milestone page, a possible reason for missing attention | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: eharney ? | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: new version 5 days ago? | 16:20 |
| eharney | jgriffith: we haven't landed a requirements sync in two months | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commits/master/requirements.txt | 16:20 |
| navneet_ | rushiagr: do we need to put bugs on launchpad milestone? | 16:20 |
| navneet_ | rushiagr: or somebody incharge? | 16:21 |
| eharney | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119988/ ? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | eharney: Sep 12, 11, 3, Aug 20, 18, 8..... | 16:21 |
| rushiagr | navneet_: I don't know for sure actually | 16:21 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106567/ ? | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121885/ | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: sometimes those get "lost" I think | 16:22 |
| eharney | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119988 looks valid to me | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I just go off of github | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Oh, that is targetted for RC though. | 16:22 |
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| eharney | i.e. should we be blocking taskflow 0.4 | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | eharney: let's back up a second please...... | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: do you or do you not see the merge from Sep 12? | 16:23 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:23 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yes, i wrote that patch to enable tests to pass for the larger update... | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: is here now. We can start! | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | eharney: so I'm confused by your statement that "we haven't updated in months" | 16:24 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, lol | 16:24 |
| eharney | jgriffith: we haven't done a full sync in months | 16:24 |
| eharney | jgriffith: just a couple of updates w/o examining a lot of them from what i can tell | 16:24 |
| eharney | how much this matters, i'm not sure, but there is a delta there we should probably examine before release time | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | eharney: fair enough | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | eharney: honestly those jobs are just auto +2/A as far as I'm concerned | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: but regardless... yes, we should be up to date on requirements files before RC1 cuts | 16:26 |
| * DuncanT really wishes there were reasons articulated for the version bumps, but that is a complaint for another day | 16:26 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: I was just confused by the statement that "it hadn't been updated in months" | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: well, there is that | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | anybody have any bugs in mind that aren't just for their 3'rd party driver? | 16:28 |
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| xyang1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119564/ It was already approved, but I had to resolve a merge conflict. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | "cinder-client --debug broken" is my only high priority bug | 16:28 |
| hemna | jgriffith, some of our folks here on the horizon team found a filed a few bugs yesterday | 16:28 |
| hemna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1370273 | 16:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370273 in cinder "volume type-create allows only spaces as type name" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | hemna: To my mind, not a bug | 16:29 |
| hemna | 3 bugs related to that type of create call with a " " empty/or space name | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, seems a little suspicious. | 16:29 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah that's basically what I told her as well, but they say it affects Horizon | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It's a free text field, user can put what they want in it | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: debateable | 16:30 |
| hemna | yup | 16:30 |
| hemna | that's what I said as well | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Then horizon need to fix it, not cinder IMO | 16:30 |
| guitarzan | that one's hilarious :D | 16:30 |
| hemna | but thought I'd raise it here since you asked. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:30 |
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| hemna | well the only argument here is, shouldn't cinder be doing the validation, not Horizon? | 16:30 |
| hemna | I don't have strong feelings about it really. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | xyang1: I'll review that CG type fix again now | 16:31 |
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| AlkaD | I think Horizon should do the validation | 16:31 |
| hemna | jgriffith, you can mark it invalid if you like. | 16:31 |
| AlkaD | just my 2 cents | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: cinder doesn't have an issue with it :) | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | hemna: ' ' is a valid name | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT: thanks! Looks that jgriffith just approved it. | 16:31 |
| avishay | it's stupid, but valid - agree | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: DuncanT guitarzan so this has implications for breaking behaviors that people currently expect | 16:31 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah that's what I said as well. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | so changing it this late in the game seems bad | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Once you start validating things like displayable characters, unicode becomes a world of hurt | 16:32 |
| hemna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1370280 | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370280 in cinder "cinder create allows only spaces as display-name" [Low,Triaged] | 16:32 |
| hemna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1370194 | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370194 in cinder "QOS Spec creation should validate name and key-value pairs" [Medium,In progress] | 16:32 |
| hemna | are the other 2 | 16:32 |
| hemna | basically the same thing with different commands | 16:32 |
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| guitarzan | are these people anti spaces? we shouldn't be characterist here | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: All invalid bugs IMO | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | WTF, one bug per iteration? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | duplicates and invalid | 16:33 |
| hemna | well they are different commands | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | at least for now | 16:33 |
| hemna | I'll mark them invalid | 16:33 |
| hemna | just wanted to see what others thought. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | guitarzan: white spaces are characters too! | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: already did | 16:33 |
| guitarzan | jungleboyj: exactly! | 16:33 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok thanks. | 16:33 |
| hemna | :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but they are all the same basic issue so they should be dup's IMO | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: unless someobdy is getting ranked on number of bugs submitted :( | 16:34 |
| hemna | heh, one of them even has a patch to fix it already | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | metrics will be the death of us all | 16:34 |
| hemna | the qos bug | 16:34 |
| hemna | jgriffith, nah, just a bug happy horizon dev on our team. | 16:34 |
| eharney | we have a simple outstanding patch to help prevent docs job failures that we should probably land: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1368910 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121224/ | 16:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368910 in nova "intersphinx requires network access which sometimes fails" [Medium,In progress] | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | eharney: I meant to +2/A that one | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Done | 16:35 |
| eharney | :) | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I'm not necessarily object to changing it, just not right now | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Shall we move on to a third-party update? We're circling a bit here now I think, can always come back at the end if we ahve time... | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: now... if you want to submit a patch that removes things like '/' I'm down with that :) | 16:36 |
| hemna | jgriffith, coolio. thanks for the feedback. I'll relay it. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #third party driver update | 16:36 |
| hemna | :P | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | bahh | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #topic third-party ci updates | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Nothing big here, just a ping to see if the status on the wiki page is up to date. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | wiki page? | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | Up to date in regards to Dell. Still working on ours. Feel I am very close. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Seems like the focus right now is on bugs and reviews. I am fine with that. | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | 'Failing tests' is the bit I'd really like people to keep up to date if possible | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thanks, I've updated | 16:40 |
| * jgriffith system is now reporting | 16:40 | |
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| jgriffith | FYI, my setup doesn't report if it fails for "internal" crap | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | ie; devstack fails to deploy | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Cool. | 16:41 |
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| * DuncanT proposes K1 as a new hard cut-off date for getting CI working for anybody who has a driver in J (so new drivers get some slack) | 16:41 | |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:41 |
| * DuncanT wants to avoid this slipping as a hard requirement indefinitely | 16:42 | |
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| xyang1 | we have a problem making the *.gz file browsable | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: DuncanT What is the preference if tests fail due to internal issues? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Fixing the internal issues :-) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Do we still comment to state that or just die quietly? | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: You are relaxing in your late release time. ;-) | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Ah, reporting that you can't make a run is probably a good thing | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Certainly you shouldn't report it as a -1 fail | 16:43 |
| bswartz | infra gets angry if you make multiple comments | 16:43 |
| bswartz | probably better to retry and complete the test, then comment | 16:44 |
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| DuncanT | Yeah, if you're going to retry, don't comment | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | If you're giving up, a 0 vote to that effect is probably good | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Good, that's what I was thinking. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: just curious.... "why"? | 16:44 |
| * bswartz agrees | 16:44 | |
| DuncanT | Voting -1 because your test rig blew up is the worst situation | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: agree with that | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: So that any reviewers waiting for a result knows to stop waiting | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so here's a question..... | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | has ANYBODY ever waited for a review from 3rd party CI system? | 16:45 |
| * jungleboyj not it | 16:45 | |
| jgriffith | or does anybody think they would? | 16:45 |
| navneet_ | not me...but checked results | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: not being contrary, just asking | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | Certainly not yet. | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | I did wait for our CI to validate the CG and pool aware patch | 16:46 |
| jbernard | jgriffith: for my rbd changes, i would wait for the ceph ci to report | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Personally I do my best to ignore the outputs | 16:46 |
| bswartz | I check the results -- especially if a particular CI system has proven reliable in the past | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | just make sure nothing breaks existing functionality | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: hmmm.... that's interesting | 16:47 |
| * DuncanT has wanted ceph reviews on some patches, easier than chasing for a manual inspection | 16:47 | |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: DuncanT ok, good enough for me | 16:47 |
| bswartz | +1 non-voting is still valuable information | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | so for those that are using the infra modules.... | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | we should cnosider consolidating your changes and feeding them back upstream | 16:49 |
| navneet_ | should 3rd party CI check for openstack CI vote and recheck if it failed in their environment? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: in my case I don't even run if OpenStack CI hasn't run and passed | 16:50 |
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| navneet_ | jgriffith: yeah thats a good check | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: but I'm sure some will have concerns witht that approach | 16:50 |
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| navneet_ | jgriffith: it avoids unneccessary run as the coder will reload | 16:51 |
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| bswartz | you could use the "wait for jenkins +1" as a load tuning knob -- wait if your job queue is long, don't wait if your job queue is short | 16:51 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: checking might be useful incase of rerunning internal CI if it fails but openstack CI passed | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | navneet_: yes | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anybody have anything else? | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
| AlkaD | thanks | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 17 16:53:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-17-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-17-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-17-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:54 |
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| garyk | anyone around for the vmware meeting | 17:00 |
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| garyk | arnaud__: hi | 17:02 |
| garyk | anyone here for the vmware meeting | 17:03 |
| arnaud__ | hi garyk | 17:03 |
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| garyk | seems like it is you and i | 17:03 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 17:03 |
| garyk | can we tee of in 3 minutes. | 17:03 |
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| arnaud__ | we can :) | 17:04 |
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| garyk | sorry, i am back | 17:06 |
| garyk | anyone else for the vmware meeting? | 17:06 |
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| garyk | arnaud__: i hope that others attend, if not we can cut it short and go and fix bugs | 17:06 |
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| garyk | there are a few critical ones posted for review - hope that they get the cores eyes (in nova) | 17:06 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:06 |
| garyk | not sure what the glance state is | 17:06 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 17:06 |
| garyk | thangp: hi | 17:07 |
| garyk | arnaud__: thangp: not sure if anyone else is joining. kind of maybe end of cycle blues and bug fixing | 17:07 |
| garyk | any critical bugs we need to talk about? | 17:07 |
| garyk | guess BP's will have to wait till K | 17:08 |
| thangp | does booting from volume on vmware work right now? | 17:08 |
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| thangp | i ran across a problem, made a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120309/, but i'm not sure if anyone else ran across it | 17:09 |
| thangp | trivial fix | 17:09 |
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| garyk | thangp: yes, booting the volume should work | 17:09 |
| thangp | :-/ | 17:09 |
| garyk | it should, but i guess you may have found an issue :) | 17:10 |
| garyk | i will double check tomorrow | 17:10 |
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| thangp | i'll try running it again against the latest | 17:10 |
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| garyk | thangp: ok. i trust you :) | 17:10 |
| thangp | :) | 17:11 |
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| garyk | thanks! | 17:11 |
| thangp | np | 17:11 |
| garyk | i hope that we can chase down reviews for that. | 17:12 |
| garyk | anything else? | 17:12 |
| thangp | no more from me | 17:12 |
| garyk | arnaud__: anything? | 17:12 |
| arnaud__ | I posted the patch for the inventory folders | 17:12 |
| garyk | if not i guess we can call it a day/night | 17:12 |
| arnaud__ | but I need to make jenkins happy | 17:13 |
| garyk | arnaud__: brilliant! thanks | 17:13 |
| garyk | jenkins is always grumpy | 17:13 |
| arnaud__ | other than that: not much | 17:13 |
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| arnaud__ | we can get back to bugs I guess :) | 17:14 |
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| garyk | ok, guys. have a good one. hopefully next week we may have more people. | 17:14 |
| garyk | a luta continua | 17:14 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:14 |
| arnaud__ | you too garyk | 17:14 |
| thangp | later | 17:14 |
| arnaud__ | thanks | 17:14 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 17 19:01:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | hello everyone | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
| elambert | o/ | 19:01 |
| goodes_ | hi | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:01 |
| cutforth | hello | 19:01 |
| tsg | hello | 19:01 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:01 |
| cschwede | hello! | 19:01 |
| Tyger | hello | 19:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | I was out yesterday at the openstack SV thingy, so I've been catching up today | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda for today's meeting | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | nothing new here that I know... | 19:02 |
| peluse_ | yo | 19:02 |
| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon, paris summit, or the user survey? | 19:03 |
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| mattoliverau | nope | 19:03 |
| notmyname | hmm..that reminds me that there are some things we need to talk about with paris | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | the design summit stuff | 19:03 |
| * notmyname looks for the email | 19:03 | |
| peluse_ | nope, on the subject of Paris though, keving g and I gave our paris talk at SNIA SDC this week as a dry run sorta and it went really well | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | cool | 19:04 |
| notmyname | great to hear | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | ok, so they aren't using the formal CFP site to do summit suggestings this time | 19:05 |
| notmyname | there's going to be more focus on cross-project discussions, but there will be time for swift-specific things | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | hmmm, so all ad-hoc or what? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | there's the link | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #link http://ttx.re/kilo-design-summit.html | 19:06 |
| notmyname | that gives a good overview | 19:06 |
| notmyname | so we'll be putting together what we want to talk about in an etherpad. I think that will start coming together this week | 19:06 |
| notmyname | but like you, I'm waiting for the mailing list post from ttx for it | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | but definitely good to read that blog post by ttx to know what's going on | 19:07 |
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| cschwede | is there a deadline to collect the ideas in the etherpad? ie maybe during/after the hackathon ? | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | I think we need to start collecting ideas before then, but I'm guessing there won't be a deadline that early | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | that's pretty much all I know on the paris summit so far | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I'll do what I can to keep you informed as we have a place to talk about ideas and as there is more info | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-swiftclient (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:10 | |
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| notmyname | as I said last week, there is a deadline of the 18th (tomorrow) for *client releases so that distros can do whatever's needed before juno and there is an integration check overall | 19:10 |
| notmyname | zaitcev has been kind enough to check over it and proposes that it's ready to go right now | 19:11 |
| notmyname | any questions or discussion on that? anything that you think should land today to be included? | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-swiftclient,n,z | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | if there are no objections, I'll cut a release tonight | 19:12 |
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| acoles | no objections here | 19:12 |
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| peluse_ | cool | 19:12 |
| notmyname | great | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | #action notmyname to cut a python-swiftclient release | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | looks good and nice work zaitcev | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:13 | |
| notmyname | the last 2 weeks we were tracking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106910/ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | looks like it's trying to land but having issues. what's the status and blockers on it? | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: acoles? | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | I believe I need to merge master to EC and then recheck no bug again. Being out of town my time has been pretty limited though | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | but its approved, just need to get it shoved in there, will do it tomorrow morn at the latest | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:14 |
| notmyname | peluse_: are you going to do the master->ec merge, or do you need someone else to do it? | 19:15 |
| acoles | its failing due to the authenticate header test bug that emerged last week | 19:15 |
| peluse_ | also, relevant to EC, sat in on Sage's EC talk here at SDC and found that they decided to punt on partial write failures because of the complexities we're dealing with now... decided it wasn't worth it so EC objects are write once | 19:15 |
| acoles | so you will need to merge master | 19:15 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, the one where keystone added a header too? | 19:15 |
| acoles | notmyname: yup, that one | 19:15 |
| notmyname | peluse_: ah, interesting | 19:15 |
| peluse_ | notmyname, I've already started the merge to feature/ec so will go ahead finish | 19:15 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok, cool. so peluse_ will do the merge, then rebase the patch (if needed) and merge it | 19:16 |
| peluse_ | yeah, some more intersting tidbits also I'll share at the hackathon | 19:16 |
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| peluse_ | yup, I'm on it (well, will be in just a bit) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | peluse_: after the merge, I'm ok if you go ahead and merge it to ec based on previous reviews | 19:16 |
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| peluse_ | cool | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | what's next up for EC after the merge from master to get the current blocker merged? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | ie what needs to be on the priority list and next todo off of trello? | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: ^ that one was mostly for you :-) | 19:19 |
| peluse_ | I haven't sync'd with the rest of the guys this week since I'm travelling so let me update you in the channel later this week. Mainly reconstructor stuff | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | ok, good | 19:19 |
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| tsg | notmyname: I still need to get the "footer" patch (and updated PUT patch) up for review | 19:19 |
| peluse_ | and I will be specific :) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | tsg: ack | 19:19 |
| tsg | notmyname: I haven't had time in the last week+ either to do that- | 19:19 |
| tsg | will get it up there asap | 19:20 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:20 |
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| tsg | so we can get a review or two before the hackathon | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | tsg and I need to take some vacation to work on this stuff :) | 19:20 |
| tsg | haha :) | 19:20 |
| tsg | peluse_: that's the plan next week ;) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:20 |
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| peluse_ | next week == renewed focus | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | iv'e been workign on some sort of abstraction for puts that might mkae life easier | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | alsso typos | 19:20 |
| tsg | :) | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | https://github.com/smerritt/swift/tree/putter | 19:21 |
| peluse_ | ooh, I can help with typos | 19:21 |
| notmyname | great! | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | has a couple failing unit tests, but I think they were focused on testing a utility method I changed... functests pass, though, which is nice | 19:21 |
| notmyname | any questions on EC? | 19:21 |
| tsg | torgomatic: do we already have a patch up on gerritt? | 19:21 |
| tsg | (proposal) | 19:21 |
| * notmyname is being bugged about it all the time now | 19:22 | |
| torgomatic | tsg: no, I wanted to get unit tests passing before going to gerrit | 19:22 |
| tsg | torgomatic: ok | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | getting a -1 from Jenkins usually makes people ignore stuff, and rightly so IMO ;) | 19:22 |
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| tsg | torgomatic: I see your github link now - will take a peek | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | tsg: sounds good | 19:22 |
| notmyname | peluse_: torgomatic: tsg: anything else to go over on ec? | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | nothing here | 19:24 |
| peluse_ | nope | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | tsg: ? | 19:24 |
| tsg | notmyname: liberasurecode stuff is progressing well - some new contributors (Kota) | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ah, that's great | 19:24 |
| peluse_ | go kota! | 19:24 |
| tsg | we'll get Thomas to create a Debian package soon | 19:25 |
| tsg | and hope zaictev can help with rpm :) | 19:25 |
| tsg | Trello page is up to date | 19:25 |
| tsg | that's all from my side | 19:25 |
| kota_ | :) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | #topic reviews | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:26 |
| notmyname | still 5 outstanding patches listed for Juno. I'd love to see them land | 19:26 |
| notmyname | all of those are to improve existing things | 19:27 |
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| mattoliverau | The delete affinity patch has merged | 19:27 |
| notmyname | if there are other patches that need to land before juno, please add them to that section | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: affinity + DELETEs landed | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | yeah, what mattoliverau said :) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | ah! yay! | 19:27 |
| notmyname | thanks cschwede and torgomatic for reviewing that | 19:27 |
| cschwede | notmyname: np, you're welcome | 19:27 |
| * notmyname thought he had checked. obviously not | 19:28 | |
| notmyname | ok, 4 patches left there :-) | 19:28 |
| zaitcev | I looked at the unreasonable Ranges | 19:28 |
| zaitcev | Had a question to torgomatic about it | 19:28 |
| peluse_ | I'm good (+2) on torgomatics zero copy get, will look at the put side next week for sure (this week is out for just about anything for me though) | 19:28 |
| cschwede | i'm thinking if i should add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121422/ to that list? (limiting unnecessary partition movement when adding a tier +rebalance) | 19:28 |
| * torgomatic has been neglecting that patch a bit | 19:28 | |
| zaitcev | The patch seems simple enough, but it has quadratic code that I would like to limit somehow | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: small process thing, can you change the commit message from "Also-By" to "Co-Authored By"? I think that's how they're checking for it (ie so Florent gets ATC status) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: thanks | 19:30 |
| cschwede | notmyname: thanks, yes, will do that | 19:30 |
| zaitcev | BTW, I have an outstanding bug in python-swiftclient... https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1369546 | 19:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1369546 in swift "swift client leaves empty directories when specifiing output file" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: seems likely that it should be included | 19:30 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: ok, adding it. thanks! | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: jsut did | 19:31 |
| cschwede | nice :) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: what's the progress on that? | 19:31 |
| notmyname | only reported 2 days ago, so no pressure ;-) | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: none so far, sorry. I just swear I didn't cause it with pseudo/, just made it apparent | 19:32 |
| * peluse_ has to run.... | 19:32 | |
| notmyname | peluse_: thanks for coming | 19:32 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ok. no worries. :-) | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | doesn't sound like it should block a swiftclient release though | 19:33 |
| notmyname | glad you're on it though | 19:33 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: agreed | 19:33 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I'm just saying I'm afraid to break something by rushing it | 19:33 |
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| acoles | notmyname: would be good if the keystone auth doc update could land for Juno https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121481/ | 19:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, yes | 19:34 |
| cschwede | acoles: i'm reviewing that | 19:34 |
| acoles | cschwede: thanks | 19:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm also looking at donagh's spec on service tokens | 19:35 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ah, yes, i need to get back to that too | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I'd definitely like some additional input on it. maybe RAX (b/c they have a similar use case) and maybe have a high-level overview from keystone people (ie to make sure we aren't doing something gratuitously different) | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | acoles: but in general (so far) I agree with the use case and probably the plan | 19:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: on the spec you mean? | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | acoles: yes | 19:37 |
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| acoles | notmyname: i know donagh has solicited input from RAX guys, he's keen to discuss at hackathon | 19:37 |
| notmyname | good | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | acoles and gvernik have been talking about the migration middleware, I've seen | 19:37 |
| notmyname | anything to report there? anything you need from others? what's the status? | 19:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, lots of activity there this week | 19:38 |
| acoles | tdasilva made a great suggestion to tweak the drive interface | 19:38 |
| acoles | i'm trying to increase the test coverage | 19:38 |
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| acoles | and i think gvernik's happy with that! | 19:38 |
| acoles | so we need to do some squashing soon and i'm hoping it will be in good shape | 19:39 |
| gvernik | i am happy with it... and I am working on another patch that will include refactoring suggested by tdasilva and better unitests coverage | 19:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: it will need another core's eyes at some point of course | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:39 |
| tdasilva | acoles, gvernik: i noticed we have no func tests either | 19:39 |
| tdasilva | should we add some? | 19:40 |
| acoles | tdasilva: i have func tests, just need to tidy and push to gerrit ;) | 19:40 |
| tdasilva | oh ok | 19:40 |
| tdasilva | great | 19:40 |
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| tdasilva | acoles, gvernik: let me know if I can help with anything...i'll keep an eye on new patches to review | 19:41 |
| notmyname | any other patches you'd like to specifically bring up this week in the meeting? | 19:41 |
| acoles | notmyname: btw, back to keystone stuff, i had the 'don't use swift with keystone v3' warning removed from manuals | 19:42 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121493/ | 19:42 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, good. actually, very good | 19:42 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:42 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | anything else to discuss this week | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | The abandon report has items in it! | 19:43 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | Well did before I went to sleep :P | 19:43 |
| notmyname | I need to go through and actually abandon stuff now (right mattoliverau)? | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: yup, any core can if they want | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ok. I'll take that to start with | 19:44 |
| mattoliverau | I can extend it to auto abandon at some point once we are all happy with it | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 19:45 |
| notmyname | speak now, or wait until next week's meeting | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | ok :-) | 19:46 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:46 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 17 19:46:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-17-19.01.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-17-19.01.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-17-19.01.log.html | 19:46 |
| mattoliverau | thanks notmyname | 19:46 |
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