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| HenryG | akamyshnikova_, jlibosva1, Hi | 12:59 |
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| jlibosva1 | hi | 12:59 |
| akamyshnikova_ | hi | 12:59 |
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| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 12:59:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | #topic Announcements | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | This will be the last meeting. | 13:00 |
| HenryG | I think our work is done. :) | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | I will send an email to the ML. | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #topic Migration tests | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | This is our last item. | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | The tests are ready to merge, but there are some issues with the functional job in the gate. | 13:02 |
| HenryG | Hopefully that will get sorted out soon. | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:02 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | yes, I think we need to be sure that tests will be running :) | 13:03 |
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| HenryG | If no one has anything to discuss, we can end the meeting. | 13:04 |
| jlibosva | Good job everyone! | 13:05 |
| HenryG | Yes, thanks for all the fantastic work! | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | I have maybe one more thing | 13:05 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | thanks everyone I was very happy to work together with you! | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | It would be good to have grenade working :) I spent some time couple weeks ago and any reviews for tempest would be helpful: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100169/ | 13:06 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: Thanks, I will take a look | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | it has almost no attention from tempest cores, it only affects grenade | 13:07 |
| HenryG | Note that for any reviews outside neutron, please feel free to add me to the reviewer list if you want me to look at it. | 13:07 |
| jlibosva | noted :) | 13:08 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: We can make some noise about wanting to enable voting for the grenade job. Then I am sure they will help review. | 13:08 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: Are you sure about that review link? | 13:11 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: yes, the thing is that grenade uses javelin from tempest... | 13:11 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: javelin is a project for creating environment in openstack | 13:11 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: ok | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: nowadaysit has no network support | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | There is another patch testing it with grenade and neutron: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115910/ | 13:12 |
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| EmilienM | jlibosva: we kinda lack of reviews... | 13:12 |
| jlibosva | yep, that's why we need raise attention on this patch | 13:13 |
| jlibosva | also note that after upgrade, javelin check fails. I think it can be a neutron bug | 13:13 |
| jlibosva | That's probably all from my side | 13:14 |
| HenryG | OK, it sounds like grenade health needs attention. I will try to help with that. | 13:15 |
| jlibosva | thanks! | 13:15 |
| HenryG | Who will I see in Paris? | 13:16 |
| EmilienM | thanks HenryG | 13:16 |
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| EmilienM | same ! | 13:16 |
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| HenryG | Great! I look forward to it! | 13:17 |
| HenryG | Bye everyone! | 13:18 |
| jlibosva | Bye and thanks | 13:18 |
| akamyshnikova_ | bye! | 13:18 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 13:18:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-22-12.59.html | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-22-12.59.txt | 13:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-22-12.59.log.html | 13:18 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 15:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | Good [insert-appropriate-time-of-day-here] everyone! | 15:00 |
| gothicmindfood | ohai, krotscheck | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | ohai, gothicmindfood! | 15:01 |
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| * krotscheck hopes jeblair is around for the first two topics. | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Item: RabbitMQ Failures. | 15:01 |
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| jeblair | oh hello | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | So, the somewhat-more-robust Rabbitmq pubsub code landed this morning, meaning that StoryBoard should now automatically reconnect. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | i.e. jeblair, sometime this afternoon I’ll poke you to go look at the logs and verify that, ok? | 15:02 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: happy to | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 15:02 |
| jeblair | did my "disable subscriptions" config change ever land? | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Urm... | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I don’t know? | 15:02 |
| jeblair | i will search and report back shortly | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Thanks | 15:03 |
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| jeblair | yes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116973/ | 15:03 |
| jeblair | so we probably need to revert that | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Cool - want me to do that? | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: You haz review queue, no? | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | (i.e. you’ve got lots of other things on your plate) | 15:04 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i'll do it | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Gotcha | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | I’m going to leave that item on the agenda until it’s well and truly closed. | 15:05 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123152/ | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Item: Launchpad Migration | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | The launchpad migration CLI also landed. | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122047/ | 15:06 |
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| krotscheck | At this point there may still be a few bugs, but I feel we can pick smaller projects to run test-migrations on. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | For the sake of sanity though, it might be best to spin up a test storyboard VM and run the script on that database without impacting prod. | 15:08 |
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| krotscheck | I’ve verified that it works for storyboard and zuul, but I haven’t run others. | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | One thing though: with lots more data, the UI starts to fall down rather severely since we never built page controls. | 15:09 |
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| krotscheck | Upside: It’s now easy to seed your local database with lots of real data. | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Any questions on that? | 15:10 |
| jeblair | yeah, one of the hopes is that we will get annoyed at little problems like that when using them with infra and get them fixed before the rest of the project has to see them :) | 15:10 |
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| krotscheck | Exactly :) | 15:10 |
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| krotscheck | So I feel thsi topic is completed, does anyone have questions and/or disagreements? | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Anyone? No? Ok, moving on. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion | 15:12 |
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| krotscheck | No topics listed. Moving on | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Data Import | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | See above discussion in Launchpad migration. Do we want to talk migration process/strategy right now or is that a ‘handle it in the infra meeting tomorrow’ thing? | 15:13 |
| ttx | yeah, this one is ready code-wise, it's more a project adoption thing now | 15:14 |
| jeblair | we should probably at least handle it in the infra meeting | 15:14 |
| ttx | so I would strikeout the task now | 15:14 |
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| krotscheck | Awesome. | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | Next! | 15:14 |
| jeblair | (but also happy to talk about it here if you want) | 15:14 |
| jeblair | (guess not :) | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, at this point any single data import is going to make us scramble to update the UI | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | So, the storm is coming, batten down the hatches :D | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1 Subscription | 15:15 |
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| jeblair | do you want to delay import until you do some basic ui changes? | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Naah, what could possibly go wrong :) | 15:15 |
| mordred | heh | 15:15 |
| jeblair | okiedokie :) | 15:15 |
| mordred | krotscheck: is there anything that's so horribly broken that it will make a jeblair come through a computer monitor with a dead chicken? | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Even if it was, I’d rather leave it in there just to film it and put it on youtube. | 15:16 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t actually think there’s anything that broken. | 15:16 | |
| mordred | krotscheck: k. cool | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | So, subscription was my second major task last week, because running multiple daemons and setting that up via puppet is hard. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | I ended up going with a build-the-daemon-manager-in-python approach, which right now is up for review BUT turns out is actually still broken. | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | Mostly because of stupid sigterm trapping things when having the parent process manage multiple child processes. | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | I’ll try to get that working soon, but for the time being it’s still WIP | 15:18 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to wip that. | 15:18 | |
| krotscheck | Any questions on that? | 15:18 |
| ttx | nope, makes sense | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122890/ | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1 Project Groups | 15:19 |
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| krotscheck | There was an extended discussion on project group naming last week. | 15:19 |
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| krotscheck | And it _feels_ like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111814/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111815/ are now ready, because everyone understands the scope/intent. | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | Given that, I’ve got a question. | 15:21 |
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| krotscheck | There are some parts of the UI which are enabled for admins, even though from a practical perspective they’re managed by puppet/scripts. | 15:21 |
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| krotscheck | Example: Creation of Projects and Project Groups. | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | Do we care that those remain enabled? | 15:22 |
| * krotscheck is ambivalent. | 15:22 | |
| jeblair | i think in the long run we should find a way to disable them, possibly via an acl system like gerrit | 15:22 |
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| jeblair | in the short term, i think all our admins know not to use them | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Got it. | 15:22 |
| * krotscheck likes ACL systems | 15:22 | |
| ttx | I think jebalir sums it up well | 15:23 |
| ttx | jeblair even | 15:23 |
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| krotscheck | So, current status on the feature is : Admin UI is there, script management is ready to land, user UI is not yet there. | 15:23 |
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| krotscheck | So you can’t yet search on project group, nor are project groups available from a not-admin user yet. | 15:23 |
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| ttx | ack | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | Since it’ll probably be me who builds that, I also have to track down an annoying left-join bug in the task search that’s messing with our paging. | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | No other updates. Any questions? | 15:25 |
| ttx | no questiuon on that | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Tags | 15:26 |
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| krotscheck | Only one update here: The import script _does_ load tags. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Other than that, NikitaKonovalov mentioned in #storyboard earlier that he has no updates, likely because he’s still stuck in sahara country. | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1 Emails | 15:27 |
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| krotscheck | No progress. | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | krotscheck, ack re NikitaKonovalov | 15:27 |
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| krotscheck | SergeyLukjanov: Can we have him back soon? :) | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | SergeyLukjanov: Or is he going to be stuck until Juno goes. | 15:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | krotscheck, honestly, I don't think that it'll be earlier than Juno release | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | SergeyLukjanov: Well, as long as he continues to help review things I’m ok with that. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:29 |
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| krotscheck | Any open discussion topics? | 15:29 |
| ttx | Some time ago I posted https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Story_Types | 15:29 |
| ttx | Based on the initial feedback, I could turn that into a proper spec | 15:29 |
| ttx | but if it sounds completely crazy, maybe not worth it :) | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Is it likely that a story could have multiple types? | 15:30 |
| ttx | krotscheck: not the way it's proposed | 15:30 |
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| ttx | I'm trying to strike a balance between types that would trigger different things and types that are just refinements | 15:31 |
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| ttx | hence the whole inheritance thing | 15:31 |
| ttx | krotscheck: originally I only had the first 3... but then jogo started distinguishing between "improvements" and "new features" for his runway thing | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | So, I think that yes- this is a thing we want. | 15:33 |
| ttx | so I figured we might need a subtype | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | The only thing I’m pondering is whether it should be its own thing or should be a thing on top of tags. | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | But that’s an implementation detail. | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | ….maybe? | 15:33 |
| ttx | krotscheck: i thought about using tags... but then I was struggling to see how we could build milestone pages (release notes) that would show bugsn featrues and vulnerabilities in different lists | 15:34 |
| ttx | (like Launchpad milestone reports, only adding vulnerabilities as another category of released things | 15:35 |
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| * gothicmindfood sees people fighting to be considered 'improvements' over 'new features' during k cycle development | 15:35 | |
| ttx | so we could have a reporting module and we would select which tags are significant... | 15:35 |
| gothicmindfood | who decides whether something is a new feature or improvement? | 15:35 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: I could go with only the first 3, to avoid discussion | 15:36 |
| ttx | (although I like distinguishing between a regression and a bug, they are both bugs) | 15:36 |
| mordred | yah - maybe it'sa bug with a regression tag or something | 15:36 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: maybe just that as a start? but I agree that the distinction is useful. It's just I wonder how it plays out in story creation/maintenance | 15:36 |
| ttx | that's what it is right now (we tag the bugs regression) | 15:36 |
| ttx | krotscheck: maybe just use the first 3, then use tags to subtype. | 15:37 |
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| ttx | that would work | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | (Side note: Does the is_bug field in the story table make sense at all anymore? Because if not I’m going to delete it) | 15:37 |
| ttx | krotscheck: that would replace it | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 15:37 |
| ttx | so you could say it's not useful right now | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 15:37 |
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| ttx | I don't think anything uses is_bug right now | 15:38 |
| krotscheck | So, a Vulnerability is a… special kind of bug? | 15:38 |
| ttx | but at the very minimum we'll need to distinguish between feature and bug, and story types sound preferable to implementing exclusive tag groups :) | 15:38 |
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| gothicmindfood | it's a bug no one but special people see :) | 15:38 |
| ttx | krotscheck: a vulnerability is a bug that only gets a very limited audience first (then it expands) | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Hrm hrm hrm | 15:39 |
| ttx | so that could be implemenetd another way, for sure | 15:39 |
| ttx | Launchpad has a flag ("security") | 15:39 |
| ttx | which appears at bug submission time | 15:39 |
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| krotscheck | mordred’s suggestion suggests that there are types, and there are separate classifiers such as ‘scheduling’, ‘priority’, and ‘security' | 15:40 |
| ttx | I would rather ask the user: what do you want to file ? A public bug ? A feature plan ? Or a vulnerability report | 15:40 |
| ttx | scheduling? | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Scheduling -> This is a new feature vs. this is a feature + regression. | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | Maybe schduling is not the right word. | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | Maybe release target. | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | Hrm | 15:42 |
| ttx | for targeting / scheduling we would use arbitrary task lists instead | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | I think I like regression as a tag. Because that way regression can be Icehouse-2, Juno, etc, while also being known as a bug? | 15:42 |
| ttx | so that anyone can have their own priorities | 15:42 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: i'm fine with regression being a tag | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | Oh, so work target is a task thing? | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 15:43 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: well, each project / code repo might have different targets / releases | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so ttx’s original question was whether Story Types needs to be an official spec. | 15:43 |
| ttx | so it has to be task-level | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | And I think nobody here disagrees with that. | 15:43 |
| ttx | yeah, if it doesn't sound like a terriuble idea, I can flesh out implementation options | 15:44 |
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| krotscheck | It’s a pretty good idea. | 15:44 |
| * krotscheck thinks it’s a good idea. Anyone else? | 15:44 | |
| ttx | we just need to get it right :) | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | ttx: The first time! | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | :D | 15:44 |
| * gothicmindfood thinks it's a great idea | 15:44 | |
| ttx | always! | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | Any dissenting opinions? If not we’ll give ttx free reign to go speccing. | 15:45 |
| ttx | yeah speccing | 15:45 |
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| krotscheck | Okidokey, let’s do it! | 15:45 |
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| krotscheck | Any other open discussion topics? | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | Oh, one quick thing from me. I want to (eventually) make our deferred processing engine our plugin system. | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | The approach is: API event happens, message goes into queue, worker picks up message, checks for plugins via stevedore, hands message to plugins, exits. | 15:47 |
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| krotscheck | There’s no question there though, It’s still a fuzzy thing in my head. | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | If there’s nothing else I’ll end the meeting early so those of us at GMT -8 can get more coffee :) | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | Going once.... | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | Going twice…. | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 15:49:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-22-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-22-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-22-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| ttx | thx krotscheck ! | 15:50 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 16:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| NikolayM | hi! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | while we're waiting for other people | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | let me discuss something with you | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | can you please let me know how much you were able to do on workflows/actions ? | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | I'd like to ask you to commit (at least as WIP) what you have by now so that I can continue to work on it today | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | I am doing workflow API + workflows service | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | and now it is not correctly working | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | can you please commit all your work? | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | and let me know what's done and what's left | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | yes, I can | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm planning to finish it all today | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, please don't forget about it | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | one min | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | sure, no rush | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, Bryan is not coming today, he's busy with something else | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | Nastya will be a little bit later | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | not sure about Dmitri | 16:07 |
| dzimine | m here | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | hi | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, I'd suggest we make this meeting really short | 16:08 |
| dzimine | easy | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | this week is promising to be crazy | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:08 |
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| dzimine | what's the plan for this week? rakhmerov did you decide what you put in before cutting 0.1? | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | the only thing I'd like to do is discuss small changes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-DZ-RA | 16:09 |
| dzimine | do we finish the polish of WF | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | yes, Dmitri, they're partially done already | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | all that's in this etherpad will be a part of 0.1.0 | 16:09 |
| dzimine | I mean, we did't get to the bottom of the list, may be we can do it later today or whenever u have time, over skype. | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, let's do it later | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | but generally I don't think we'll be able to put much more than this list into the release | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, do you have any questions/objections about what we decided to do | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I have to apologize that we didn't discuss it with you first | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | it's 100% responsibility | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | so if you'd like to change something we can discuss it right now | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM? | 16:14 |
| NikolayM | today's morning I though input in action is inconsistient with input in wf/exec | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, I saw your comments | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | but I've discussed it with you already | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | are you ok with it now or still want to change that for actions? | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | I've seen the etherpad and for now I have no questions | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | from my standpoint there's no difference between workflows/actions/tasks | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | it is a bit confusing to see word 'input' for parameters string like in methods/functions | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | but if we want to change it to more complicated structure, let's leave it as is | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | guys, then if you don't have any more questions let's wrap up | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | bye-bye | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining | 16:18 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | Dmitri, let's talk today later | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 16:19:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-22-16.00.html | 16:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-22-16.00.txt | 16:19 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 17:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
| sarob_ | Hallo! | 17:02 |
| sayali_ | Hello | 17:02 |
| MeganR | Hello | 17:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 17:03 |
| sarob_ | The timing of this meeting is going to be harder on dguitarbite now | 17:04 |
| sarob_ | Anyone that's working on docs want to fill in for him? | 17:05 |
| dbite | sorry for the delay | 17:05 |
| dbite | im here | 17:05 |
| dbite | :) | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | Cool | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | #topic docs | 17:05 |
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| sarob_ | Go | 17:05 |
| dbite | docs needs update for the older version | 17:06 |
| dbite | I will be working with Anne Gentle on this | 17:06 |
| dbite | some of the updates require deleting old webpages from the www folder | 17:06 |
| dbite | under openstack-manuals repository | 17:06 |
| dbite | I apologize for the delay in pushing the doc-tools for building the PDF files | 17:06 |
| dbite | I will finalize that part soon | 17:06 |
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| sarob_ | Yeah, so what's your plan about cleaning up the ftp site? | 17:08 |
| dbite | it needs to be manual | 17:08 |
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| dbite | and the access is limited to Anne as of now | 17:08 |
| dbite | who has agreed to help us out | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | I was just going to wipe it all after hours and rerun a publish job | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | Is that too extreme | 17:09 |
| sarob_ | ? | 17:09 |
| dbite | no | 17:09 |
| dbite | if extra pages get deleted | 17:09 |
| dbite | they will be automatically updated | 17:09 |
| dbite | with the new patch | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | My thought as well | 17:10 |
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| dbite | but for the sake of not doing unwanted things, I am taking extra precautions | 17:10 |
| sarob_ | Okay | 17:10 |
| sarob_ | Like what? | 17:10 |
| dbite | the problem is that the pages do not get deleted from the FTP site | 17:10 |
| dbite | I just wanted to verify which files are obsolete which is a bit tedious and takes some time | 17:10 |
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| dbite | once that part is done, we are ready for a release for Icehouse | 17:11 |
| sarob_ | How about making a full copy | 17:11 |
| dbite | hmm, I think I should think about that | 17:11 |
| sarob_ | And start cleaning out the copy first | 17:11 |
| dbite | I will ping annegentle once I am done verifying the content | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Doc the changes or script them | 17:12 |
| dbite | verifying the new content | 17:12 |
| dbite | yes | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Then do it to the online version | 17:12 |
| dbite | #action dguitarbite will update the ftp site this week | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | More work but less likely to Bork | 17:12 |
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| dbite | sarob_: yes, I do not mind more work, till it makes sense to preserve the sanity of our content | 17:13 |
| sarob_ | Sanity | 17:13 |
| dbite | so if everyone agrees, I will ask annegentle to delete everything and push a patch immediately to get new content in | 17:13 |
| sarob_ | I miss it | 17:14 |
| dbite | meaning, I do not want to do a mistake which will reflect on the online version | 17:14 |
| dbite | because we are dependent on Anne to fix it for us | 17:14 |
| sarob_ | Hmm, I'm bit confused now | 17:14 |
| dbite | so what I mean to say is that, I will go through the current master branch, verify the content and then push it | 17:14 |
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| sarob_ | With deletions in the patch? | 17:15 |
| dbite | no | 17:15 |
| dbite | I will verify the content | 17:15 |
| dbite | then ask annegentle to delete everything, complete cleanup on FTP | 17:15 |
| dbite | and to update the new content push a dummy patch | 17:16 |
| sarob_ | Okay got it | 17:16 |
| dbite | :) | 17:16 |
| sarob_ | Anything else? | 17:16 |
| dbite | no, not from docs side | 17:16 |
| sarob_ | #topic incubation | 17:17 |
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| dbite | sarob_: We need to confirm if we meet the official criteria for incubation | 17:17 |
| dbite | if that is met, I vote for going forward with it | 17:17 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: what do you see as the goal of incubation? | 17:18 |
| sarob_ | Or goals | 17:18 |
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| dbite | I see that major task of incubation is already taken care of (moving the repository to openstack/) | 17:19 |
| sarob_ | Agreed | 17:19 |
| dbite | we have active commiters and core reviewers which is good progress | 17:19 |
| dbite | and another important part is that we have | 17:20 |
| dbite | Shell 60.8% | 17:20 |
| dbite | JavaScript 15.0% | 17:20 |
| dbite | CSS 12.2% | 17:20 |
| dbite | Python 8.3% | 17:20 |
| dbite | Ruby 3.7% | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | But how does this team benefit from the incubation designation? | 17:20 |
| dbite | which differs from openstack-manuals roadmap to keep XML content | 17:20 |
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| dbite | to be honest, I do not understand the scope of this question. I will need to update my information on incubation process | 17:21 |
| sarob_ | I'm being a bit contrarian here | 17:21 |
| sarob_ | On purpose | 17:21 |
| * dbite is glad for that | 17:22 | |
| dbite | I understand we need to do this | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | We have one incubation benefit already | 17:22 |
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| sarob_ | If we get the incubation designation | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | We will get more attention | 17:23 |
| dbite | yes, more than stating the obvious that we are meeting most of the criteria for incubation and already have the repository in the right location for it, it should be under consideration | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | Which could mean more developers and users | 17:23 |
| dbite | also our project differs a lot from openstack manuals for arguments sake | 17:23 |
| dbite | ahh, I did not think of that | 17:23 |
| dbite | yes | 17:23 |
| dbite | more adoption | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | Mgmt true we are different | 17:23 |
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| sarob_ | iOS spell chk is killing me | 17:24 |
| sarob_ | We want to stay in the docs program right? | 17:25 |
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| sarob_ | Or not? | 17:25 |
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| sarob_ | Anyone else want to weigh in? | 17:25 |
| dbite | sarob_: can we not stay under docs program | 17:26 |
| dbite | as independent/incubated project? | 17:26 |
| dbite | we need to stay in docs program | 17:26 |
| dbite | otherwise reusing content would be difficult! | 17:26 |
| sarob_ | I think it makes sense to stay in the docs program | 17:27 |
| sayali_ | yeah its easier to manage the content for training guides with docs | 17:27 |
| dbite | I would say that we need to stay in the docs program | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | Well we are already In a separate repo | 17:27 |
| dbite | yes, that is what I meant to ask, can we not be independent project under docs program? | 17:27 |
| dbite | is that not possible? | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | Reusing is as hard as it's going to be already | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | Dbite yes we can stay under docs program | 17:28 |
| dbite | then, I see no negative side for moving on | 17:28 |
| sarob_ | Does anyone have a requirement of this project being incubated ? | 17:29 |
| dbite | I think audio visual may be good reason | 17:29 |
| dbite | for incubation | 17:29 |
| sarob_ | How so? | 17:29 |
| dbite | to manage the content | 17:30 |
| dbite | but we need some progress under this sub team | 17:30 |
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| sayali_ | I think a major change the incubation would bring is the increase in contributors | 17:30 |
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| sayali_ | since it will bring to notice the different things being worked upon | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | My goals for the team "I'm looking for greater adoption, participation, and keeping up with the releases. The recognition of incubation would help with that. " | 17:31 |
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| dbite | I agree with sayali | 17:31 |
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| dbite | sarob_: I think that would be a good answer | 17:32 |
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| dbite | for the question you asked :D | 17:32 |
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| sarob_ | Anyone think we are not ready for incubation | 17:32 |
| sarob_ | Or not understand what incubation is? | 17:33 |
| sarob_ | Okey dokey | 17:33 |
| MeganR | Honestly, I don't understand what incubation is | 17:33 |
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| sarob_ | Ah not a problem | 17:34 |
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| sarob_ | As a project matures | 17:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 17:34 |
| sarob_ | It gets recognized by the technology council TC | 17:34 |
| sarob_ | The two stages right now are incubation and integrated | 17:35 |
| dbite | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | Another of saying your team is mature | 17:35 |
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| MeganR | ok, I am looking at the link Shilla sent, it makes sense to move forward | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | I have our steps to incubation at the bottom of our wiki | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | Okay | 17:36 |
| MeganR | thank you | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | I'm going to ask annegentle about the timing | 17:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | On the ML thread we have going | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | Either before Paris or right after | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | I'm thinking | 17:37 |
| dbite | well, can we arrange for a meeting during the summit? | 17:37 |
| dbite | to discuss this in person? | 17:38 |
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| sarob_ | Let's ask on the ML thread | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | I would be great to have the team chime in on the ML discussion | 17:39 |
| dbite | yes | 17:39 |
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| sarob_ | Let's move on | 17:39 |
| sarob_ | #topic testing | 17:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:39 | |
| sarob_ | Matjazp how's it going! | 17:40 |
| sarob_ | Geez iOS 8 is really messing with me | 17:40 |
| dbite | matjazp will not be able to make it | 17:40 |
| dbite | can someone paste his email | 17:40 |
| dbite | for the sake of records? | 17:40 |
| sayali_ | Unfortunately, it seems like I won’t be able to make it either. If I’m home in time, I’ll pop on IRC to talk to you guys in person. | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | But just in case, a quick status for the Testing subproject: | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | - Compute node quiz finished, with one longer question still in the pipeline - I have to amend the patch 121100. | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | - I’m currently working on Network node Quizzes - draft is practically finished, the patch will be submitted soon | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | - Megan sent me her draft for the object storage node quiz in the Associate guide, so I believe this patch will also be submitted soon. | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | We have to debate a bit about the last thing that is missing - the Assessment (chapter 11) - next IRC meeting or maybe Docs ML? | 17:41 |
| sayali_ | -M | 17:41 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: did i miss an email | 17:41 |
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| sayali_ | sarob: I guess you did | 17:41 |
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| sarob_ | So the final test. | 17:42 |
| dbite | one more thing from roger | 17:42 |
| dbite | he could not make it too for the meeting | 17:42 |
| sarob_ | I would normally think it would be made up of quiz question alternates | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | Hi there | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | I won't be able to make it to the IRC meeting today, so I'll give you a | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | quick report via email. | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | As far as I can tell, I have a working cluster now, meaning: I can boot an | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | instance VM reliably, ping it and ssh into it. The required patches have | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | been merged into the repo. | 17:42 |
| sayali_ | I also submitted a patch that enables DNS name resolution within instance | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | VMs. But Internet access for instance VMs will not be a standard feature | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | (at least for now). If your computer has IP forwarding enabled, it will | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | happily send out packets from the ext-subnet (192.168.100.x) toward the | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | public Internet which is unlikely to yield the desired results. -- A | 17:43 |
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| sayali_ | solution is for the host computer to masquerade packets coming from the | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | instance VM. This is how I got it to work. However, configuring that is | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | beyond the scope of the scripts. | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | Although there are plenty of known issues with the scripts, they seem to be | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | in a somewhat usable shape now. For some time we have been talking about | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | getting outside testers involved. I propose that at least every one of you | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | guys (core reviewers) should have successfully used the scripts before we | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | encourage outside users to try it. | 17:43 |
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| sayali_ | Cheers. | 17:43 |
| sayali_ | that was roger's email | 17:43 |
| sarob_ | Okay | 17:44 |
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| sarob_ | About the assessment | 17:44 |
| sarob_ | Test | 17:45 |
| sarob_ | Does my comment make sense? | 17:45 |
| dbite | I did not understand | 17:45 |
| sarob_ | For the first two books | 17:45 |
| dbite | ahh yes | 17:45 |
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| sarob_ | I think keeping the final test as a written | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | Long version of the quizzes makes sense | 17:46 |
| dbite | sarob_: I think we should wait for Matjaz for this discussion | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | With alt questions | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | Agreed | 17:46 |
| dbite | I cannot comment on this, sorry ... not a piece of my cake | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | I'm not making a decision | 17:46 |
| dbite | ahh, well in that case | 17:47 |
| sarob_ | Just stating my opinion | 17:47 |
| dbite | we could have a written exam | 17:47 |
| dbite | but do you think asking theory questions is a good idea? | 17:47 |
| sayali_ | no! | 17:47 |
| sarob_ | I think theory belongs to the last two books | 17:47 |
| * dbite wants to state that he always failed in exams and is probably the worst person to ask about setting them | 17:48 | |
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| sarob_ | I'm thinking first two are implementation | 17:48 |
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| sarob_ | Last two are theory, creativity, outside the box | 17:48 |
| dbite | yes | 17:48 |
| dbite | lets try not to call them theory | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | Half written, half hands on | 17:49 |
| dbite | more like deisng the architecture etc. | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | Anyway let's wait for matjazp | 17:49 |
| dbite | yes | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | Moving on | 17:49 |
| dbite | being a prof. he is the best person | 17:50 |
| dbite | IMHO | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | #topic av | 17:50 |
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| sarob_ | Saw the ml email | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | Any response? | 17:50 |
| sayali_ | got no response though | 17:50 |
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| sarob_ | Okay | 17:50 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:50 |
| dbite | hello matjazp, we missed you | 17:51 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp hi! | 17:51 |
| matjazp | just got home | 17:51 |
| sayali_ | I have updated the wiki but we can't do much with the existing videos till we get the license sorted | 17:51 |
| dbite | can I suggest to make our own content? | 17:52 |
| dbite | we could have openstack-training channel on youtube and upload our own video | 17:52 |
| sarob_ | Can you come up with a plan for user group | 17:52 |
| sarob_ | That SFBay and others could start following? | 17:52 |
| sayali_ | sarob: I don't understand what you say completely | 17:53 |
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| sarob_ | The user groups are using the training content | 17:53 |
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| sarob_ | They can make and use videos | 17:54 |
| sayali_ | Oh that sounds good | 17:54 |
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| sarob_ | This is the user group how to page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackUserGroups/HowTo | 17:55 |
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| sarob_ | Some bits are there on video recording | 17:56 |
| sayali_ | ok will look at it | 17:56 |
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| sarob_ | We should add to it | 17:56 |
| sarob_ | I will ask user groups to follow | 17:56 |
| dbite | sarob_: it would be great to have user groups contribute by creating videos | 17:56 |
| dbite | I like that idea | 17:56 |
| sayali_ | alright sarob | 17:56 |
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| sarob_ | Agreed | 17:56 |
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| sarob_ | #topic any other business | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | yes, training team can be more or less like editors... selecting best available content | 17:57 |
| dbite | #action sayali will contribute on a model for user groups to follow and create AV content | 17:57 |
| sarob_ | Action #sayali_ will work on the user group training videos plan on the user group wiki | 17:57 |
| sarob_ | Beat me | 17:58 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp and the foundation | 17:58 |
| matjazp | sarob_: sure | 17:58 |
| dbite | sarob: you did a typo | 17:58 |
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| sarob_ | And we coordinate more with reed | 17:58 |
| dbite | #action sayali will work on the yser group training videos plan on the user group wiki | 17:58 |
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| reed | did you follow the hangout last friday by Dague and Pipes? | 17:59 |
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| matjazp | reed: Dague will have more or less more advanced content, yes? | 17:59 |
| dbite | time check | 17:59 |
| sarob_ | Reed didn't I was running the policy summit :( | 17:59 |
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| matjazp | time's up.. bye | 18:00 |
| reed | matjazp, it's content for developers, not necessarily 'advanced' | 18:00 |
| sarob_ | We can move to docs channel | 18:00 |
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| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 18:00:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-22-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-22-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-22-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 18:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | hello everyone, hope you are here for another great third-party meeting | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | anyone ? | 18:01 |
| asselin | hi | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hello asselin | 18:01 |
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| daya_k | hi krtaylore | 18:02 |
| daya_k | sorry :) krtaylore | 18:02 |
| daya_k | oops, jellyfingers today. | 18:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 18:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:02 |
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| luqas | o/ | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | good, well lets get started | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:03 | |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | reminder of the mission out of the way, so lets review | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of previous week's open action items (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:04 | |
| krtaylor | so that's easy, none from last week | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | we have a few good topics this week | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:05 | |
| anteaya | #info Infra would support work on this feature (anteaya) | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, you had an announcement for infra features | 18:05 |
| anteaya | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zuul/+bug/1370105 | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | yes, your floor anteaya | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 18:05 |
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| uvirtbot | anteaya: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out | 18:05 |
| anteaya | so last week it was discovered taht third party folks would benefit from a filter in zuul that upstream doesn't need | 18:06 |
| anteaya | have a look at the bug report | 18:06 |
| anteaya | fungi knows the details | 18:06 |
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| fungi | i do? | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | ask him if you need more but infra would accept patches that impliments this feature | 18:06 |
| anteaya | hi fungi, yes the zuul feature item for third party | 18:06 |
| fungi | oh, i'm starting to remember | 18:07 |
| fungi | yes | 18:07 |
| anteaya | yeah, that | 18:07 |
| fungi | files filter for pipelijnes | 18:07 |
| fungi | pipelines | 18:07 |
| anteaya | so hep here is appreaciated | 18:07 |
| anteaya | any questions? | 18:07 |
| fungi | hep! hep! | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | hurray | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:07 |
| anteaya | okay done | 18:07 |
| fungi | yes, if someone wants to implement that feature in zuul, we're more than open to it i think | 18:07 |
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| * krtaylor looks | 18:07 | |
| clarkb | we have a file filter | 18:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: it's for jobs, not pipelines | 18:08 |
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| clarkb | requirements jobs use it but it is per job | 18:08 |
| fungi | unless there's a pipelines trigger one which isn't documented and if so i didn't see it in the source either | 18:08 |
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| fungi | basically zuul lets you limit jobs and pipeline triggers by branch pattern, but only lets you limit jobs by file pattern | 18:10 |
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| fungi | so the idea would be to extend that to pipeline triggers, just like branch patterns are | 18:10 |
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| krtaylor | got it, sounds like a useful patch | 18:11 |
| fungi | an alternative option might be for zuul to grow a toggle which tells it not to report if it runs no jobs | 18:12 |
| fungi | either of those would, i think make it possible for zuul deployments to report on changes with specific files touched, but not report on other changes to the same project | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | that might eliminate a lot of noise | 18:13 |
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| fungi | and since there seemed to be increasing willingness from projects to see third parties only report on changes touching specific files, this seems like a reasonable thing to support (suppressing reports from systems which ran no jobs on a change) | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | yes, anyone interested? | 18:14 |
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| * krtaylor imagines everyone taking a step back | 18:14 | |
| krtaylor | I'll take a look at it, if no one else steps up | 18:15 |
| asselin | I have interest, but I can't commit to that in the near term. | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, agreed, me too, maybe we can both work through it | 18:16 |
| clarkb | I see. is the issue reporting when no jobs match a job based file filter? | 18:16 |
| asselin | krtaylor, sure | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | fungi? clarkb's question? | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | IIUC, it is because there is not a file filter, so everything reports by default | 18:18 |
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| daya_k | if zuul does not map a change to a job today, it doesnt report anything, right? so, this is about the granularity of mapping a job to a change within a project? | 18:19 |
| fungi | yep | 18:20 |
| fungi | clarkb: so for those changes, zuul reports that it successfully ran no jobs, as configured | 18:20 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 18:21 |
| daya_k | fungi : how about the regex's. i thought those were being used today, although i havent been able to get ci-name:recheck to work properly, but thats a separate point | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | yep, understood | 18:21 |
| fungi | daya_k: unrelated. you just need to configure the comment-added trigger pattern for your pipeline to match the comments for which your system reacts | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, regex works, we (PowerKVM) use it, ping me in infra after the meeting, or bring that up in opendiscussion | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | open discussion | 18:22 |
| daya_k | krtaylor thanks, i'll catch you later with the configured pattern, i have it but somethings missing | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | ok, anything else on this feature? | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | thanks fungi, clarkb, anteaya | 18:23 |
| anteaya | done | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | asselin, you're up next - discuss a change? | 18:23 |
| asselin | sure. I uploaded a change to devstack-gate that I think is relevant to other 3rd party | 18:24 |
| asselin | I would like some reviews / let you know it's there so you can use it | 18:24 |
| asselin | it basically adds some more hooks to do some cleanup after a job runs | 18:25 |
| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122896/ | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | +1 | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | that is for the general direction and thank you for the patch | 18:26 |
| anteaya | as I state in my review, I don't know enough about devstack-gate code to offer an opinion as to whether this is the best implimentation | 18:26 |
| asselin | so e.g. my use case is to test our cinder driver. I cleanup the backend after each test run using the pre_clean_hook | 18:26 |
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| asselin | otherwise we end up with lots of stuff lingering around waiting for manual cleanup | 18:27 |
| daya_k | asselin : +1, yes, i think this is great if esp if you dont have single use nodes | 18:27 |
| asselin | I write the hook function directly in my jenkins job that runs the test. | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, good, I'll get some of my team to take a look at the patch too | 18:28 |
| asselin | bascially copied and pasted from the other hooks in the file. | 18:28 |
| asselin | thanks | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | asselin, anything else? | 18:29 |
| asselin | that's it! | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | thanks, on to Program items then | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | #info Preparing for Summit (anteaya) | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, you are up first | 18:30 |
| daya_k | asselin : fyi, i am doing cleanup activities in pre_test_hook today, but a separate hook is also good | 18:30 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 18:30 |
| anteaya | so some folks have added their thoughts to the etherpad, thank you | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | we have one item with no owner, if noone takes ownership that item will be moved off of the list | 18:30 |
| anteaya | I had thought we would have more items than we do by this point, but I can't but words in other people's mouths | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | I have some items too, bad krtaylor for not getting that done last week | 18:31 |
| anteaya | any one with thoughts on what is written there so far? | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | there are some meaty topics there, I want to see more requirement development | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | I'll get that added | 18:32 |
| anteaya | what do you mean by more requirement development | 18:32 |
| anteaya | folks can't meet the requirements we *have* | 18:33 |
| anteaya | what is the point of adding more? | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | there is a need for defining cross-project requirements as well as what the individual projects have defined, and a directory | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | I'll add that to the list | 18:33 |
| anteaya | also please add your name to the etherpad, top right | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | what are cross-project requirements? | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, not so much more | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | just recording what we have | 18:34 |
| anteaya | thank you daya_k | 18:34 |
| daya_k | thanks, i didnt see that before | 18:34 |
| anteaya | our requirements are recorded | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | and organizing it better so that it is easier to follow | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | offer patches to third-party.rst | 18:34 |
| anteaya | I am clearly missing something | 18:34 |
| anteaya | what is the goal here? | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | so many don't even know what we are doing here, I just encountered that this morning | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | yes | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | that is not due to a shortage of requirements, believe me | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | the goal is to add items to the planning document | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | that is due to management memoing them to set up a ci and giving them zero time to learn a dev workflow | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | so we shouldnt allow that until they know about this :) | 18:36 |
| anteaya | their management has given them unreasonable directives | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 18:36 |
| anteaya | allow that? | 18:36 |
| anteaya | how can we stop management from being unreasonable? | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | getting a service id is the last step, not the first | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | lets table this for a discussion on the planning document | 18:37 |
| anteaya | this is a discussion on the planning document | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | at a later time, then I can be more precise with my wording where time to type is not a factor | 18:38 |
| anteaya | since I don't see that having an item at summit to discuss more requirements is a good use of time | 18:38 |
| anteaya | and obviously there are others that think more requirements is a solution here | 18:38 |
| anteaya | and I strongly disagree | 18:38 |
| anteaya | more understanding from vendor companies of our developer workflow is what is needed | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | but I see no way that management would listen to that | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | not sure why you are attacking more requirements, again, my choice of words has been retracted | 18:39 |
| anteaya | and I have no way to translate that into a requirement | 18:39 |
| anteaya | I am not attacking | 18:39 |
| anteaya | I am curious to know what the underlying issue is | 18:40 |
| anteaya | since I don't know what it is | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | I think that is fixed by reordering what we have, not creating new | 18:40 |
| daya_k | so, my thoughts as a consumer - the wiki page is much more high level and incomplete, jay pipes blog has a good basic tutorial, that sort of info could be pulled into the wiki | 18:40 |
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| krtaylor | well, when I get it entered, we can discuss it | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | daya_k: great, would you like to do that? | 18:41 |
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| daya_k | anteaya : i could take a shot at it, what timeline though | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, agreed, its not that the info doesnt exist at all | 18:41 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: reording the requirements is fine, but I think it is a meeting agenda item, not a summit item | 18:41 |
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| anteaya | daya_k: well it has never been done, so sometime between now and eternity? | 18:41 |
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| daya_k | :) let me take a todo on it | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | my proposal would require infra to change policy too | 18:42 |
| anteaya | daya_k: I have no timeline, since if you don't do it it won't get done which is no different from what we have now | 18:42 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: then I suggest you make an item on the infra agenda | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: since if this is your thinking, if the first time jeblair hears about it is summit, it doesn't have a good chance of success | 18:43 |
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| krtaylor | but, there are 5 or so items in my head, I have no desire to discuss them before I have put them in the planning document | 18:43 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: jeblair likes items on the infra agenda | 18:43 |
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| ociuhandu | hello all, sorry for being so late | 18:43 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: sorry, was out of office, just managed to get back now | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, great, almost there | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, what is the timeline to close out this planning etherpad | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: when it is done | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | well, I would assume that would be before summit? | 18:44 |
| anteaya | to be honest, based on the number of submissions right now, I don't feel like we have enough to justify a space | 18:45 |
| anteaya | if we don't have items down soon, I have no reason to elbow out other folks with a more complete plan | 18:45 |
| anteaya | why does everyone need a deadline in order to get anything done | 18:45 |
| anteaya | what is wrong with just doing the work? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | this is very frustrating | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | as soon as a deadline is selected the only thing I know is that noone will do anything until after it has passed and someone goes around with a reminder | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, realities of a day job | 18:46 |
| anteaya | this is not an efficient way to work in open source | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | well it isn't a good use of my time | 18:47 |
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| ociuhandu | anteaya: regarding your comment on the etherpad doc: I was referring to requirements for getting the voting rights, not for having a CI | 18:47 |
| anteaya | so set whatever deadline you want and either do it or don't do it | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | ociuhandu: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#permissions-on-your-third-party-system | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | ociuhandu: that outlines how to get voting rights | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | ociuhandu: if you think that process needs more clarity do offer a patch | 18:48 |
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| ociuhandu | anteaya: ok, will try to put together one | 18:49 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: thank you, set the topic to third-party please | 18:49 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, anything else on the summit preparations | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | just that there had better be something worth discussing soon on that etherpad otherwise I won't be pushing for a space for third party | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | that's it | 18:53 |
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| ociuhandu | from what I have observed, most implemented recheck-<system-name> after the last “main CI” rules update | 18:56 |
| ociuhandu | while the doc says: “Some third-party CI systems may not have the resources to be able to support all rechecks meant for other systems…” | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | recheck-<name> should recheck jenkins too, since everything following recheck is considered a comment to jenkins | 18:57 |
| ociuhandu | that translates, for me, that I don’t have to support “recheck” | 18:57 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, yes, but that is not the only reason | 18:57 |
| ociuhandu | as long as I support “recheck-<system>” | 18:57 |
| krtaylor | I can remove that | 18:57 |
| ociuhandu | ok | 18:57 |
| asselin | also for developers, they may have an expectation that only 1 ci system is going to get checked | 18:57 |
| krtaylor | yes, that is correct, at least that is my proposal | 18:57 |
| krtaylor | asselin, that goes back to jenkins recheck on recheck* | 18:58 |
| ociuhandu | and 2nd, is why can’t we decide between the third-parties on a naming that will not involve regriterring Jenkins? | 18:58 |
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| asselin | maybe we can change it to: <third-party-ci>:check | 18:58 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, that is sdague 's original proposal | 18:58 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, namespaces for each system got voted down | 18:59 |
| ociuhandu | e.g. instead of “recheck-<system-name>” to “check-<system-name>” or as asselin suggested? | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | that didn't work | 18:59 |
| asselin | why? I think that is most developer-friendly | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | infra didnt like it | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | and we are out of time | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | we'll have to hit any open discussion items next week | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, move to -infra | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks krtaylor | 19:00 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | thank you krtaylor and anteaya | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 19:01:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-22-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-22-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-22-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| anteaya | NobodyCam: :D | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:01 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 19:01:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
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| devananda | hi! | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | hi all | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| jroll | I always feel like this is a talk show with a big musical intro led by the bot | 19:01 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ChuckC_ | hi | 19:02 |
| devananda | jroll: lol | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
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| wanyen_ | hi | 19:02 |
| rloo | howdy | 19:02 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:02 |
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| devananda | I have a few things that we should probably cover in the opening section | 19:02 |
| linggao | Hi | 19:02 |
| devananda | apologies in advance for not stashing those on the wiki, they should be quick | 19:03 |
| devananda | first, of course, congrats to everyone on all the work getting the project to the point where the TC felt comfortable integrating it | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | great work everyone!!!! | 19:03 |
| devananda | that doesn't change any of our plans, and doesn't affect us in the Juno timeframe | 19:03 |
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| devananda | it does mean we'll actually need a doc writer to be involved in Ironic (and in the OpenStack Docs program) during Kilo | 19:04 |
| jroll | \o/ nice work, everyone | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: will we have to come up with this person? oe will they? | 19:04 |
| devananda | that's a significant gap in our current community contributions | 19:04 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: who's "they" ? | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | the OpenStack Docs program folks | 19:05 |
| devananda | this is not something the openstack doc team provides | 19:05 |
| devananda | no | 19:05 |
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| devananda | we need a person on our team who works with them | 19:05 |
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| devananda | just like we've had folks on our team who have worked with the qa and devstack and infra folks for the last year | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | do we have a time line to select this person? | 19:05 |
| devananda | it could be mroe than one person | 19:06 |
| devananda | and I don't think we "select" them | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:06 |
| devananda | anyawy | 19:06 |
| devananda | we are still in feature freeze / string freeze / focus on bugs mdoe for a bit longer. and a big thanks to everyone who's working on that | 19:07 |
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| devananda | also, I am going to run for PTL again this cycle (sending that letter is on my todo for tonight) | 19:07 |
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| * NobodyCam +1's devananda nomanation | 19:08 | |
| wanyen_ | ++ | 19:08 |
| devananda | I will continue counting on folks to assist with running the project -- and want to thank lucas (who's not here?) and NobodyCam for that | 19:08 |
| devananda | in an ideal world, I'd like to have others who could step in for me if need be by the end of Kilo | 19:09 |
| jroll | +millions for thanking all three of you | 19:09 |
| GheRivero | ++ for all three | 19:09 |
| devananda | (I dont like being a SPoF, and I dont think enough folks know how to do the release management things right now, for example) | 19:09 |
| devananda | ok - that's all for my announcements! | 19:10 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: have anything? | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | nope you covered what I had | 19:10 |
| devananda | cool | 19:10 |
| devananda | #topic RC status | 19:10 |
| jroll | I'd like to announce that CI for the agent driver has landed :D | 19:10 |
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| * jroll will go more into that later | 19:11 | |
| devananda | jroll: awesome! yep, let's get to that in the IPA section | 19:11 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 19:11 |
| devananda | we still have a lot of in progress bugs up there | 19:11 |
| devananda | 4 are tagged "High" | 19:11 |
| devananda | #1279331 conductor lacks periodic task to keep PXE env up to date | 19:11 |
| devananda | #1342919 instances rescheduled after building network info do not update the MAC | 19:12 |
| devananda | #1347604 ironic-dbsync fails on SQLite due to bad support of migrations | 19:12 |
| devananda | #1355510 conductor hash ring is not updated as nodes arrive and leave | 19:12 |
| Shrews | devananda: 1347604 is just documentation now, so not really "high" at this point | 19:12 |
| devananda | #1279331 and #1355510 are related. last week we talked a bit about that -- what's the sense on whether we can make those changes in Juno? | 19:13 |
| dtantsur | I'd still call it high | 19:13 |
| wanyen_ | deva, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1370466 is not on the RC1 milestone. Can ywe add it on the list? | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370466 in ironic "pxe_ilo driver will fail on ipmitool error after switching from uefi to bios boot mode" [Medium,In progress] | 19:13 |
| devananda | Shrews, dtantsur: I don't think a doc bug is high at this point in the release cycle -- it's not something to block the release on. | 19:13 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, well, it make our quick start guide not work as it's written. don't know if it's high | 19:14 |
| devananda | wanyen_: it looks like a patch is in flight, though i need to review the bug's alternatives | 19:14 |
| wanyen_ | deva, yes the fixes has been submitted. | 19:14 |
| devananda | dtantsur: not saying it's not a bug -- just that that doesn't meet the standards for "high" | 19:15 |
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| dtantsur | probably, yeah | 19:15 |
| Shrews | dtantsur: we could close it with my current patch, and open a new bug for documenting ironic-dbsync more thoroughly | 19:15 |
| dtantsur | right | 19:15 |
| devananda | wanyen_: targeted | 19:15 |
| wanyen_ | deav, ty | 19:15 |
| wanyen_ | s/deva/deva | 19:15 |
| devananda | so, what's the concensus on the hash ring? | 19:16 |
| devananda | i think we need to make a decision today | 19:16 |
| devananda | and either fix it in the next few days or bump it to kilo | 19:16 |
| jroll | "use the agent driver" is my answer to that :P | 19:16 |
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| * NobodyCam would vote to bump to kilo | 19:16 | |
| jroll | my question is, do we think we can fix it that quickly? | 19:16 |
| Shrews | devananda: greghaynes suggested bumping, and i agree | 19:16 |
| devananda | if we bump it to kilo, we need to include documentation about that limitation in the release notes | 19:16 |
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| dtantsur | I don't think we can fix it in a couple of days | 19:16 |
| rloo | doesn't even look like anyone is assigned to 1279331 | 19:16 |
| JayF | +1 to release note | 19:16 |
| rloo | would love to have hash ring fixed in next few days, but not sure it is possible. is there a (sorry) design for it? | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | I think that is the best course at this late stage in the release cycle | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | bumpping to kilo that is | 19:18 |
| devananda | rloo: afaik, no formal spec. lots of bugs and discussion on them, though | 19:18 |
| jroll | +1, it's sad but I think that's the best route | 19:18 |
| devananda | yea, that makes me a bit sad too | 19:18 |
| rloo | devananda: so the bugs/discussions (for me) ought to be agreed on first, before reviewing any code. | 19:18 |
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| devananda | i should have kept better track of that work post midcycle | 19:19 |
| devananda | it's a fairly serious bug for anyone using the curent pxe driver and more than one conductor, fwiw | 19:20 |
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| jroll | agree | 19:20 |
| jroll | and I do expect to see people deploying juno | 19:20 |
| rloo | devananda: there is more than RC1 before the juno release. do we have more than a few days to fix the hash ring? | 19:20 |
| devananda | are there other bugs which folks feel should block the release? | 19:20 |
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| dtantsur | about "#1342919 instances rescheduled after building network info do not update the MAC" | 19:21 |
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| dtantsur | I think it should be clarified in the bug, what else needs to be done | 19:21 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I thought that was fixed? | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | it looks like blocking rc1, but does not look like it requires changes in Ironic itself | 19:21 |
| devananda | rloo: yes. RC1 is the point we re-open the main development tree | 19:21 |
| devananda | rloo: but we can continue to have RC2...N if necessary over the next few weeks | 19:22 |
| jroll | I'm fairly certain that's done, hm | 19:22 |
| devananda | rloo: the problem is, they take significantly more work to backport bug fixes to those branches | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | jroll, that's why I'm asking for clarification | 19:22 |
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| rloo | devananda: so I think we should try to get the hash ring stuff in. | 19:22 |
| devananda | rloo: so if we plan on making some big change / fixing soem big bug, it's better to delay the RC1 tag | 19:22 |
| devananda | rloo: I agree | 19:22 |
| jroll | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L538-544 | 19:22 |
| rloo | oh, if we can delay RC1, that might be better. How long can we delay it for? | 19:22 |
| devananda | I would actually really like to see it fixed in Juno | 19:23 |
| jroll | this was the fix afaik | 19:23 |
| jroll | dtantsur: ^ | 19:23 |
| jroll | comstud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1342919 is fixed here, yes? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L538-544 | 19:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342919 in ironic "instances rescheduled after building network info do not update the MAC" [High,In progress] | 19:23 |
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| devananda | rloo: we /should/ tag it this thursday. delaying it means delaying downstream testing | 19:24 |
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| Shrews | devananda: hrm, if the hashring stuff is going to affect usability, we probably *should* try to get something in | 19:25 |
| rloo | devananda: so maybe we should discuss after meeting, about hash ring. i don't know what the status is with that. I'm willing to help out, but I think we need to see where we're at and what needs to be done to fix. | 19:26 |
| devananda | ok. let's dig into that after the meeting | 19:26 |
| devananda | if there are no other bugs that folks feel should block RC1, I will start bumping things tomorrow | 19:26 |
| devananda | and the release will be tagged when https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1 contains no open bugs | 19:26 |
| dtantsur | I'm really feeling like closing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1342919 right now. Objections? | 19:26 |
| devananda | I will bump anything below High at this point, fwiw | 19:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342919 in ironic "instances rescheduled after building network info do not update the MAC" [High,In progress] | 19:26 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: oh - taht's fixed in Nova now? | 19:27 |
| devananda | if that's a bug in the virt driver,a nd fixed in Nova, it's not a bug in Ironic any more, right? | 19:27 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, jroll posted https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L538-544 | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | which presumably means it's fixed | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | would it be worth trying to get bugs like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323589 thru | 19:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323589 in ironic "Installation guide needs updating" [Medium,In progress] | 19:28 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no. that can be done later | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:28 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: doc bugs don't block a code release | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:28 |
| devananda | since committing changes to the doc/source/* tree immediately updates the website | 19:28 |
| devananda | there's no need to backport those to a release candidate branch | 19:29 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: closing that bug looks appropirate | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | ack thanks | 19:29 |
| devananda | ok. going to move on so that we have time to cover other things too | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | -1 high bug! | 19:29 |
| devananda | #topic Kilo summit planning | 19:29 |
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| devananda | keeping this -really- brief today | 19:29 |
| wanyen_ | deva, we have not submitted ilo driver doc and uefi doc. Do we need to file a bug for them? | 19:30 |
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| devananda | just a reminder that, once the RC is tagged, we'll open development and start accepting specs and thinking abotu planning and stuff | 19:30 |
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| devananda | wanyen_: those don't need bugs. please submit the docs ASAP. | 19:30 |
| wanyen_ | deva, ok | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | do we have any ideas for the pod signup sheet? or just in general how the will be handled | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | ...how the POD will be... | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I don't know what day(s) we'll be scheduled on, or hwo many official sessions we'll have. | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: so yes, we'll need to run a POD, and we'll need a process for that. | 19:31 |
| devananda | I've suggested using a google doc | 19:31 |
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| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=0 | 19:32 |
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| devananda | please start jotting down your session ideas there | 19:32 |
| devananda | it's open to anyone to edit | 19:32 |
| devananda | we'll discuss it in the following weeks (but not today) | 19:32 |
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| devananda | also, fyi, if you want to discuss something in another program's track | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:33 |
| devananda | those are linked / tracked here: | 19:33 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 19:33 |
| devananda | some are using etherpads, some are using gdocs... | 19:33 |
| devananda | there will be no planning website like we had at the last developer summits | 19:33 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 19:34 |
| devananda | #topic subteam reports | 19:34 |
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| adam_g | heya! | 19:34 |
| devananda | adam_g: hi! testing status? | 19:34 |
| adam_g | hi, still having a hard time getting -infra to push two changes that will enable the grenade testing. | 19:34 |
| devananda | adam_g: looks like we're still waiting for the tempest parallel -nv test to be merged to infra | 19:34 |
| devananda | hrm | 19:35 |
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| adam_g | jroll has landed all of the IPA stuff and it looks like there is a new non-voting job that will be propagating out to jenkins slaves now | 19:35 |
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| NobodyCam | w00t | 19:35 |
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| devananda | I think we're going to need the grenade test to be run on the RC branches to give us confidence that it will pass on the juno/stable branch once that is cut | 19:35 |
| devananda | jroll: awesome! | 19:35 |
| devananda | adam_g: anything I can do to help? | 19:36 |
| adam_g | devananda, yeah. ill be more vocal today about getting that stuff reviewed | 19:36 |
| adam_g | seems i can get one +2, then it languishes for a rebase before the next core will look at it | 19:36 |
| devananda | :-/ | 19:36 |
| jroll | adam_g: btw, can you add the agent_ssh job to http://no-carrier.net/~adam/openstack/ironic_gate_status.html ? :) | 19:36 |
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| adam_g | jroll, yea | 19:37 |
| jroll | (no rush) | 19:37 |
| jroll | thanks | 19:37 |
| adam_g | should probably make that page a bit more readable | 19:37 |
| adam_g | aside from the on-going CI stuff, one point i wanted to bring up re stable/icehouse | 19:37 |
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| adam_g | the current tempest job is voting on stable/icehouse patches, but our API has changed in juno and the baremetal tests no longer pass against incehouse | 19:38 |
| devananda | adam_g: oh? what part of our API ? | 19:38 |
| adam_g | due to addition get/set boot device API, and some changes around console | 19:38 |
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| devananda | I thought branchless tempest' goal was to prevent that sort of thing | 19:38 |
| devananda | (but IMBW) | 19:39 |
| adam_g | yeah, it is | 19:39 |
| devananda | oooh - i see | 19:39 |
| adam_g | but we haven't been paying too close attention to the stable/icehouse branch | 19:39 |
| devananda | we added features to the API without making tempest able to NOT run those tests | 19:39 |
| adam_g | the features were added, then tests | 19:39 |
| devananda | adam_g: yup. thanks for bringing that up. we'll need to keep track of stable/juno much better during Kilo than we did with stable/icehouse | 19:39 |
| devananda | adam_g: are there bugs open for this? | 19:40 |
| adam_g | my question: should we turn tempest off for stable/icehouse and maintain that branch as a best effort, and promise API stability starting with juno? | 19:40 |
| devananda | it seems like we should make the client smart enough to discover that those endpoints aren't present, rather than what it is probably doing now | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | devananda: well you should be voting in kilo, so those should changes should be blocked across a release boundary | 19:40 |
| adam_g | devananda, well, we're using the tempest baremteal client, not python-ironicclient. | 19:41 |
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| devananda | adam_g: right. we need to do both, IMO. | 19:41 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: i'm not sure what you mean by "blocked" here... | 19:41 |
| mtreinish | it would bounce of the gate with a failing test if you proposed a breaking api change | 19:42 |
| devananda | mtreinish: taht further changes of this type wouldn't be possible because stable/juno will vote on kilo patches in Ironic and tempest, or something else? | 19:42 |
| devananda | mtreinish: if we proposed a new test in tempest which passed on master/kilo but failed on stable/juno? | 19:43 |
| mtreinish | devananda: yeah basically the branchless tempest advantages should prevent you from breaking an api that's already got coverage | 19:43 |
| devananda | mtreinish: great | 19:43 |
| adam_g | devananda, as i said, one issue was the new features added. the other was a straight up modification to the API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87760/ | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | devananda: well yeah it'll still be dependent on test coverage, but: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/overview.html#branchless-tempest-considerations | 19:44 |
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| devananda | adam_g: ah. yup. that happened :( | 19:44 |
| devananda | adam_g: so we should prevent that happening again | 19:45 |
| devananda | moving on so we dont run out of time | 19:45 |
| devananda | dtantsur: bugs! we covered the release blocking ones already, but do you have anything to add? | 19:45 |
| adam_g | devananda, definitely, and i think we will, since stable/juno will be better maintained and see official releases | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | numbers! | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | Open: 100 (-11). 3 new (-3), 32 in progress (-4), 0 critical (-1), 10 high (-1) and 4 incomplete (-1); juno-rc1: 15 (-3) | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | good job, though 15 for rc1 is hard ;) | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | also, I started again pocking folks about forgotten bugs | 19:46 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: thanks! | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | please have a look at what you're assigned to: | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: high is at 9 now? | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | #link http://ironic-bugs.divius.net/ | 19:47 |
| devananda | yea, we have 9 High bugs, but only 4 targeted to RC | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | ;) | 19:47 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I'm going to bump non-High RC-targeted bugs in the next day or so, fyi | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | heh, my site is sometimes slow to update :) | 19:47 |
| devananda | drivers -- jroll, linggao, and wanyen -- anything to announce or discuss? | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | ack | 19:48 |
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| jroll | hi! | 19:48 |
| jroll | as I said before, we now have upstream CI for agent_ssh driver | 19:48 |
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| jroll | now the main focus for IPA, for the remainder of the cycle, is docs and packaging | 19:48 |
| jroll | JayF: did we make any decisions this morning about packaging IPA? | 19:48 |
| devananda | jroll: awesome | 19:48 |
| JayF | Would it be OK if we punted on real "packaging" of IPA this cycle? | 19:49 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 19:49 |
| linggao | Yes, we have added a "IBM xCAT CI" in Ironic review page for the third party CI test for your patches. | 19:49 |
| wanyen_ | we have landed iso image build script to ipa. | 19:49 |
| JayF | Tag a release in git, yes. Upload to pypi, yes... but maybe instruct distro packager to hold off a cycle | 19:49 |
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| jroll | JayF: I'm cool with that :) | 19:49 |
| wanyen_ | we are working on doc and do more testing | 19:49 |
| linggao | It tests the ipminative with real hardware. | 19:49 |
| jroll | JayF: and by packaging I mean any/all packaging, not only distro. but I like your plan. | 19:49 |
| devananda | wanyen_: nice! | 19:49 |
| linggao | It is non-voting | 19:49 |
| jroll | linggao: that's awesome :D I'd like to do the same | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen_: awesome:) | 19:49 |
| JayF | devananda: wdyt? Agreed with upload to pypi and tagging in git but punting on distro packaging? | 19:50 |
| wanyen_ | we plan to submit dib element for iso image build script | 19:50 |
| devananda | wanyen_: what are your thoughts on getting third-party CI system reporting tests of the iLO driver on real hardware? | 19:50 |
| wanyen_ | we are lookin ginto that for kilo | 19:50 |
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| jroll | wanyen_: CI can be set up any time, even during feature freeze :) | 19:50 |
| devananda | JayF: I think it's too late tojust now start packaging for a Juno release | 19:50 |
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| devananda | linggao: great job on the third-party CI stuff. I've added a little info to the wiki, but I would appreciate it if you have more you can share | 19:51 |
| linggao | ^_^ | 19:51 |
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| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers | 19:51 |
| JayF | devananda: curious what you mean, in detail, by packaging... would my proposal of cutting a release to pypi and tagging something in git be OK? | 19:51 |
| jroll | ^ I added to that already for agent things | 19:52 |
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| devananda | JayF: let's talk a bit more, I think it's worth getting infra's opinion on it as I'm not a packaging/release expert | 19:52 |
| JayF | okay | 19:53 |
| devananda | JayF: fwiw, I think pushing a tagged release to pypi is the right approach, but IMBW | 19:53 |
| devananda | linggao: I would love to have a page that shows me the status of all ibm-xcat tests over time, similar to the page adam_g has here for the upstream tests | 19:53 |
| devananda | linggao: http://no-carrier.net/~adam/openstack/ironic_gate_status.html | 19:54 |
| devananda | eventually I would like a summary of all the test stats to be on the wiki | 19:54 |
| linggao | devananda, ok. We'll see what we can do for that. | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | five minutes | 19:55 |
| devananda | thanks! | 19:55 |
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| wanyen_ | Just to clarify- we did ilo driver test on real hardware | 19:55 |
| devananda | any other comments or questions about drivers? | 19:55 |
| devananda | will move on to open discussion in 20 seconds :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:56 |
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| NobodyCam | wanted to ask if we should come up with a version / feature comparison chart. I've already started to questions about what packaged version of openstack work with Ironic... | 19:56 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: "packaged version" being like the things HP / mirantis package up and ship? | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | *started to SEE questions | 19:56 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I would think the answer would be "anything that runs on juno" for now | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | and the distros like the zigo stuff this mornign in channel | 19:57 |
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| jroll | that said, I don't think, as a project, we should care about packaged versions of openstack; those questions should be pointed at $packager support | 19:57 |
| jroll | ah ok | 19:57 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: so, we can not and should not get in the habit of answering questions about distros | 19:57 |
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| devananda | jroll: exactly | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | ack ... just want to check | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | wanted | 19:58 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: zigo's questions seemed to boil down to "does current trunk of Ironic work with the .deb of Icehouse Nova?" | 19:58 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: which is quite different from a version / feature comparison chart | 19:58 |
| devananda | which some other openstack projects have tried to maintain | 19:58 |
| devananda | like, what features work on vendor X hardware | 19:59 |
| devananda | I actually really want us to avoid that | 19:59 |
| jroll | 30 seconds | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | ac ++ | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all! great meeting | 19:59 |
| jroll | let's move to our channel, thanks everyone :) | 19:59 |
| devananda | cheers, thanks all! | 19:59 |
| wanyen_ | tx | 19:59 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 20:00:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-22-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-22-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-22-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| banix | hi | 20:59 |
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| mestery | banix: Meeting is tomorrow morning :) | 21:00 |
| mestery | banix: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Neutron_Team_Meeting | 21:00 |
| mestery | :) | 21:00 |
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| banix | mestery: :) | 21:01 |
| mestery | banix: But I love your enthusiasm ;) | 21:01 |
| banix | mestery: :) I thought I had corrected my calendar; apparently not! | 21:01 |
| mestery | Ha! | 21:01 |
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| banix | mestery: the wiki says “Tuesday (9/23/2014) at 2100 “ should be 1400 UTC. Right? | 21:05 |
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| mestery | Yes, sorry, adjusting now | 21:06 |
| mestery | banix: done | 21:06 |
| banix | np; thanks | 21:06 |
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