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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 15:02:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hows it going? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Broken horribly | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | good good | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/XenServerCI_Debugging | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, interesting | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is mostly related to changing over the ubuntu version? | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | We think so | 15:04 |
| BobBall | or upgrading config | 15:04 |
| BobBall | which we were forced to do | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah.. doh | 15:05 |
| BobBall | basically we're getting to a place where we are stuck | 15:06 |
| BobBall | and can't bring the CI back to life for a long time | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :( | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, sounds like you hit a brick wall with this | 15:07 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean the cycle time on fixing this stuff is sooo looong, so its sadly possible to hit this stuff | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess move sooner, is the lesson | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like you are looping through some ideas there | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess there is not much I can help with right now? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | We may need some serious help from people who know these things | 15:08 |
| BobBall | puppet / upstart / systemd etc | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I know bits of puppet, but the other stuff, much less so | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | can you find someone in rax who might be able to help? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: not easily on the upstart stuff | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats ubuntu specific I guess | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least there aren't people I know off | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | there used to be ubuntu focused peoples at Citrix I thought? | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | indeed | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but not got any answers yet :( | 15:12 |
| BobBall | it's a seriously sticky problem | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | eek | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on CI? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets say no | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:13 | |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK I guess we are done | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets go fix things | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: catch me offline to see if I can get help | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 15:15:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-24-15.02.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-24-15.02.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-09-24-15.02.log.html | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | ok | 15:16 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:16 |
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| hemna | mep | 16:01 |
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| rushiagr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 16:02:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hey hey | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| * DuncanT waves | 16:02 | |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| rushiagr | hey | 16:02 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:03 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| asselin | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:03 |
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| jnrao | Hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Not a ton on agenda so let's make this short and sweet :) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | THat would be good. I gotta run early anyway. :-) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic Remove XenAPI driver | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | note this patch that flew through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123162/ | 16:04 |
| hemna | so the XenAPI driver is actually gone :P | 16:04 |
| flip214 | I thought that meetings, like everything else, tend to fill all available time? | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: pointed out that this probably should've been "looked" at by a broader audience | 16:04 |
| hemna | the MSA driver isn't going to be maintained by my team. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: you're next... just a sec ;) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | flip214: Shhhh. | 16:04 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I sent an email to the openstack list asking who is using the driver | 16:04 |
| joa | hehe | 16:04 |
| thingee | and noting the driver is broken as far as we're concerned. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I checked with John Garbutt yesterday and he said it's basicly dead/unmaintained anyway | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | so no harm in removal | 16:05 |
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| thingee | someone from citrix reached out to me privately saying they were fine with getting rid of it | 16:05 |
| thingee | since the CI was going to be a bit more work | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sure | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | The reason I put it on the agenda is to get a policy going forward | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | anyway, nobody seems to have an issue | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | Not every user is on the mailing list | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | including the person that was "psuedo" maintaining it | 16:05 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think we're fixing this already with new drivers and existing | 16:05 |
| thingee | with the list you're compiling for maintainers. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: et'al | 16:06 |
| thingee | there is only so much we can do to reach out | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I think the point is we should be public and clear about things like this | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | there should be communication before "removing" a driver | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | regardless of whether it's the right thing to do or not | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | thingee: We can also set a minimum length of time to try to find drivers a new home if necessary | 16:06 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +! | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | should be communicated | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok, I won't +A next time. wait for more people to look at it | 16:06 |
| hemna | err 1 | 16:06 |
| bswartz | Setting a minimum time between announcing the intent to remove the driver and actually removing it would probably be good | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: nahh... you did right | 16:07 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I was taking a similar approach to what Oslo does for removing things like zero mq support. Bring it up in the openstack user list | 16:07 |
| eharney | yeah 1 day is not much of a window | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: that's why we're talking about it today | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | set up some guidelines | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | so there's no question in the future | 16:07 |
| hemna | we should at least doc somewhere about mx requirements for drivers | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | hemna: mx? | 16:07 |
| joa | hemna: minimal requirements ? It's in the wiki | 16:07 |
| hemna | sorry, aviation term for maintenance | 16:07 |
| thingee | I'm open to suggestions, but I feel like it was public, but agree it was done too quickly | 16:07 |
| joa | oh | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | so I'd just propose a couple things: | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | 1. If we see a patch that removes a driver, make sure all of core knows about it | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:08 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: I agree with minimum time | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | 2. Send a posting out to Dev ML at a minimum | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | sorry.. but I think min time is a lame and arbitrary metric | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | and frankly usually kinda stupid | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Part of this si my fault, I suggete4d to Bob that he put the patch in, then didn't follow through starting the discussion quickly enough | 16:09 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I guess minimum time with what you're suggesting | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | if 100 people happen to all look at it in an hour who cares :) | 16:09 |
| bswartz | minimum time would account for people being on vacation or otherwise temporarily unresponsive | 16:09 |
| thingee | there has to be some point where you just kill it because no one is responding to the thread | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: 'At least one weekly meeting passes between submit and merge' seems reasonable | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: OpenStack progress waits for no one! :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: sure | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | fine by me | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | if that's what folks would like to propose | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I"m fine with it | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | I'm not suggesting a /long/ minimum time | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | sounds fine to me | 16:10 |
| hemna | sounds good. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so we have a plan it seems | 16:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | one week sound reasonble. Suggest also sending an email to openstack-cinder | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Should we capture that on the wiki or something? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: yeah, I think ML is a good thing too | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | crickets | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | ok... I'll put something on the wiki :) | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Putting on the wiki seems sensible, yes | 16:11 |
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| rushiagr | +1 for wiki | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | unless there's a better option | 16:11 |
| joa | jgriffith: I think it'd be a great addition to the contribution page for cinder | 16:11 |
| joa | if only to say: See how we'll do if you're to be removed. | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | plus a mail to ML about the decision? | 16:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We also need to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderSupportMatrix | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | ok, I'll draft a first pass on the wiki | 16:12 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for wiki for proposla | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | feel free to clean up or suggest improvements if you feel needed | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | That brings us to the MSA driver | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ^^ | 16:12 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: that matrix is outdated and used as an example of what we're avoiding. | 16:12 |
| thingee | the point of the minimum requirements is to not have a matrix | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, I'd love to just delete that stupid thing | 16:13 |
| hemna | so we talked about it internally and tried to ask for resources to maintain the MSA driver and got denied | 16:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If matrix is outdated where is definitive place for it? | 16:13 |
| hemna | soren, we can't support it currently | 16:13 |
| hemna | so | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ok, so it's out IMO | 16:13 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:13 |
| hemna | yah I warned my mgrs that would be next. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: did it ever even work that you know? | 16:13 |
| hemna | and we are ok with it. | 16:13 |
| hemna | yah I believe it did work | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | that's too bad | 16:14 |
| hemna | yah | 16:14 |
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| hemna | basically a contracting company wrote the driver to try and get a deal with a customer | 16:14 |
| hemna | it fell through, and so they ran away | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | yeah I spent a good deal of time talkign with them :) | 16:14 |
| hemna | IMO it's the perfect example of dump and run. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | talking even | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | yup.... but that raise a concern/issue | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I've contact with that company who are now interested in supporting it | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | there *is* at least one customer out there using it | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I'd propose that it stay as is for Juno obviously | 16:15 |
| hemna | afaik, the customer didn't buy it. but I could be wrong | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | but figure out in Kilo if it's just dead and goes away or not | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: ohhh | 16:15 |
| hemna | ok | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well that makes it easier | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | anybody feel a strong need to have it out by the time Juno releases? | 16:15 |
| hemna | we have no contact with them at all | 16:15 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, you have a contact that wants to support it ? | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Apparently, yes | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Should be having a call with them about it soon. | 16:16 |
| hemna | ok | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: we should also definitely mention the removal of the driver in the release notes | 16:16 |
| hemna | so they'll get the CI system up and running for it then. great :P | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: That's what I'm telling them, yes | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:17 |
| hemna | DuncanT, perfect. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks for reminding me, haven't even thought about release notes yet | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:18 |
| thingee | I don't think the page has even been created in the wiki yet? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: nahh, not yet | 16:19 |
| thingee | should we move on to HP MSA driver? | 16:19 |
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| hemna | I think we are pretty much done with that no? | 16:20 |
| eharney | i'm a little confused about why removing the xenapi driver is straightforward in the RC phase... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: it's not | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: you're not confused | 16:20 |
| thingee | eharney: it's was a mistake. but we had no real process in place so it happened. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: the point was that it was just "done" | 16:20 |
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| eharney | ah yeah, sorry, catching up from vacation still | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | and we were discussing if that was a horrible evil thing or not | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | and how to make sure we do it correctly in the future | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | VACATION!!!! | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | that sounds good | 16:21 |
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| hemna | what's a vacation ? | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: it can be reverted if it shouldn't be removed? | 16:21 |
| bswartz | actually removing a driver lends credibility to duncan's threats to vendors that are slow on CI | 16:21 |
| bswartz | :) | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yeah, but I don't think we need to do that | 16:21 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I think it's fine | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz +1 Ironically, it wasn't him though. | 16:22 |
| eharney | xyang1: that's kinda what i was wondering, seems like an extreme change after j-3 | 16:22 |
| hemna | if someone wants it, they can support it and get CI in place and submit a new patch | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | ok.. I think that horse is dead, we should stop beating on it | 16:22 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I can vouch DuncanT was gentle in the email | 16:22 |
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| joa | thingee: he scared my managers, though :D | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | #topic RC1 | 16:23 |
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| hemna | joa, perfect :) | 16:23 |
| joa | got phoned during my vacatins. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | thiagop: :-) Then he sent Xing to do the dirty work! ;-) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | So FYI the goal is to release RC1 tomorrow | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | thingee:^^ | 16:23 |
| hemna | jgriffith, w00t | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:23 |
| hemna | do we have anything that needs looking at in reviews to make it happen ? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | soo... we have to make sure we start testing the heck out of everything next week | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | jungleboy: what? | 16:23 |
| joa | *awe* | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | couple of storwiz bugs that I'm likely to defer | 16:24 |
| hemna | thanks | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | really don't care to hold release up for them | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | if they land between now and tomorrow great, but dont' see that happening | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT would really like Eric's security patch to land | 16:25 | |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's targetted | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Thanks | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | note that anything on the list I just shared is what we "want" in RC1 | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | the exception are the late additions to storwiz driver | 16:25 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: looks like there's only one vmware patch that we are waiting for? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: that's actually targetted yes | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: so keep in mind... | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | the RC list is things that are critical for us to cut a release | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | and we think should hold up the release | 16:27 |
| xyang1 | what about those n triaged status? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | there are of course opportunistic patches that can go in | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: in general you mean? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: or on that list? | 16:28 |
| hemna | the vmware patch has a dep on another retype patch | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | on that list, there are two triaged | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: the ones on that list I plan to remove, except maybe my snapshot one :) | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: I have some code for that, but I'll remove it from targetting | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: it becomes opportunistic | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | but problematic because once we release we introduce compat issues | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: does that clear things up? | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: yes, thanks | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: sure | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | anybody else have any questions about RC? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Just to be clear, should we not be approving any other patches at this point in time? | 16:29 |
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| xyang1 | hemna: ya, the dependency is confusing | 16:30 |
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| hemna | xyang1, at this point the vmware patch should get pushed out IMO | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | Doesn't look like those storwize patches have a chance of going in. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's an understatement | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: no, that's not really necessary IMO | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: re not approving other patches | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | just be picky | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | and no more frikin i8n disasters :) | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-) Ok, just making sure. Ok, be careful, nothing that is likely to cause issues. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | no updates to libs/requirements at this point | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | If in doubt, +2 then ask in the channel | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | We've a request to merge translations BTW | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-p | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ha! | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | translations are "ok" IMO | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | it's the trouble that we caused late with some of the common libs | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I will take a look at those. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:33 |
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| * jungleboyj was just going to do a full oslo sync. | 16:33 | |
| jgriffith | Oh... | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hey! | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I wanted to thank everybody here!!! | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | Especially for the nice things that people said via email regarding me stepping down as PTL | 16:34 |
| joa | you're welcome :) | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | It's been an awesome few years and we've built a great team and project IMO | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | but keep in mind I'm not going anywhere :) | 16:34 |
| hemna | good :) | 16:34 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:34 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: great:) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Good. Wouldn't be the same without you. | 16:35 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I very much view the PTL role as a tag team sort of thing. Any of us interested should step up and help out. I would hope you would return to the role after a much needed vacation. :) | 16:35 |
| * DuncanT looks forward to jgriffith doing less paperwork and more code | 16:35 | |
| joa | jgriffith: anyways, I think that most of us are really thankful to you for your help, oldies like newbies | 16:35 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +2 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | ^^ me too, but remember you'll have to review it :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: thingee +2 | 16:35 |
| * jungleboyj gets my Red Pen out. ;-) | 16:36 | |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: can you target your patch please so we won't forget about them?:) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | cool... so we've got thingee and DuncanT with their hats in the ring | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | can't go wrong | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | anybody else if you're interested get your proposal posted | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: which one? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: the one I just removed from targetting? | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I mean in the future. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | ohhh! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: that patch didn't get reviews and got reverted | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I know.. still makes me sad :( | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: We'll fix it all in Kilo | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: but timing sucked with CG and Rep landing the same week | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Now you will have time to work on that and harass us to review it. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: haha... that's what' I said at the end of Icehouse ;) | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so that is my fault your patch didn't make it?:) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: haha! not at all | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: You can blame Ronen, he isn't here. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Then I distracted everybody by poking them about CI | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Ok, should we free up the meeting channel? Or does anybody else have any biz to discuss? | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: target it to K-1 so we look it early | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: for sure | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Ok everyone... cya in openstack-cinder | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 16:40:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! Goodmeeting! | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-24-16.02.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-24-16.02.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-09-24-16.02.log.html | 16:40 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 17:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks | 17:00 |
| dims | hi tjones | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | hello | 17:00 |
| tjones | who's here today? | 17:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:00 |
| dims | o/ | 17:00 |
| arnaud | o/ | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | o/ | 17:00 |
| tflower | o/ | 17:00 |
| mateescu | o/ | 17:01 |
| tjones | cool - so i am on the bus right now. If i drop off you will know why | 17:01 |
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| tjones | juno is at rc1 now - so unfortunately the bugs we were hoping to fix will not land | 17:01 |
| tjones | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMware-juno-bugs | 17:01 |
| tjones | it's a bummer - but we just ran out of time | 17:02 |
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| thangp | are we going to try for rc2? | 17:02 |
| tjones | that's the question - what on this list is critical enough to try for rc2? thoughts? | 17:02 |
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| thangp | not sure | 17:03 |
| rgerganov | tjones: this one is critical "VMware: prevent race condition with VNC port allocation" | 17:04 |
| dims | tjones: the requirements update went through via the bot proposed review | 17:04 |
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| tjones | rgerganov: that is a secuity issue - isn't it? | 17:05 |
| rgerganov | tjones: yes, it is | 17:05 |
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| tjones | dims: it is abandoned today | 17:05 |
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| rgerganov | unfortunately I missed that when I fixed the initial races for VNC ports | 17:05 |
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| dims | tjones: #3,#4,#5,#6 seem important to me... | 17:07 |
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| dims | for anyone upgrading from prev versions | 17:07 |
| tjones | im back | 17:07 |
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| tjones | sorry | 17:07 |
| tjones | bus dropped me off | 17:08 |
| dims | tjones: do you see the scroll back? | 17:08 |
| tjones | yes | 17:08 |
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| tjones | so dims - 1 did land then?? | 17:08 |
| dims | tjones: y | 17:08 |
| tjones | ok good | 17:08 |
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| tjones | 3 will be a tough sell since the cores don't even want us to be doing that | 17:09 |
| tjones | oh wait - i misread | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | actually 3) is aligned with what the cores want | 17:10 |
| tjones | i have not read 6 - why is that an rc2 candidate? | 17:10 |
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| dims | tjones: user facing issue "unable to access the VNC console after a VM was rescued" | 17:11 |
| tjones | reading now | 17:11 |
| tjones | ok yes | 17:11 |
| tjones | no workaround | 17:11 |
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| dims | tjones: ya | 17:12 |
| tjones | some added 9 and 10 - presumably for rc2? | 17:12 |
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| arnaud | yeah tjones | 17:12 |
| arnaud | would be nice | 17:12 |
| dims | arnaud: higher bar for getting stuff in, #10 smells like a feature no? | 17:13 |
| tjones | i suspect would be nice is a hard sell ;-) | 17:13 |
| rgerganov | :) | 17:13 |
| * dims really really wants it, but don't know if we can justify | 17:13 | |
| arnaud | I don't think so, dims: since this is an API call that currently fails | 17:13 |
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| arnaud | I don't see that as a feature | 17:14 |
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| dims | arnaud: i'd rework the title a bit :) | 17:14 |
| arnaud | I can do that | 17:14 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:14 |
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| tjones | it's a small change - yet if i were the release manager i would say no at this point. certainly a very good thing to have, since this is clearly broken, but….. | 17:15 |
| dims | tjones: ack | 17:15 |
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| tjones | ok any thing else on juno? | 17:15 |
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| arnaud | the patch is there: if it can make it, that nice. if not :) as usually in openstack, it will make it later :) | 17:16 |
| tjones | arnaud: true | 17:16 |
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| dims | +1 arnaud | 17:16 |
| dims | tjones: who do you have to talk to for rc2 blessing? | 17:17 |
| dims | for those marked as such | 17:17 |
| tjones | im guessing mikal | 17:17 |
| dims | cool thx | 17:17 |
| tjones | i'll send something to the ML perhaps?? right now the cores are fighing gate fires so it is certainly not time to ask for this | 17:17 |
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| tjones | what do you guys think? | 17:18 |
| * dims agrees | 17:18 | |
| tjones | ok lets talk about kilo | 17:18 |
| tjones | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo | 17:18 |
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| tjones | this is our leftover from juno | 17:18 |
| tjones | dims you are fast! | 17:18 |
| tjones | i know tflower wanted to talk about ova | 17:18 |
| dims | lol | 17:18 |
| tflower | tjones, yes I did - can we talk about that now? | 17:19 |
| tjones | sure go ahead | 17:19 |
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| tjones | tflower: you had questions?? | 17:20 |
| tflower | Thanks - We're really interested in this feature as I'm looking to deploy ova images - Will this feature be a first step to enabling ova images with multiple disks? (multiple vmdks?) | 17:20 |
| tflower | sorry, I'm not fast like dims :) | 17:20 |
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| tjones | heh | 17:20 |
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| arnaud | tflower, the implementation that we proposed only uses the root disk in the ova | 17:21 |
| tflower | I had actually looked at the blueprint a while back, and thought it mentioned multiple disks at the time (but just mentioned there were "discussions")...if memory serves | 17:21 |
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| arnaud | but this can definitely be extended to use more than 1 | 17:21 |
| arnaud | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82715/1 | 17:21 |
| tjones | i suspect we should push this and propose a depenent BP which extends this - thoughts?? | 17:21 |
| tjones | by *this* i mean the ova BP already in flight | 17:22 |
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| dims | tjones: sounds great | 17:22 |
| tflower | sounds really good to me | 17:22 |
| tjones | tflower: are you interested in proposing the new BP for this? | 17:22 |
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| tflower | Sure! | 17:22 |
| * dims hoping arnaud can help tflower :) | 17:23 | |
| arnaud | yes sure no problem | 17:23 |
| dims | thanks! | 17:23 |
| tjones | thanks arnaud | 17:23 |
| tflower | arnaud: thanks | 17:23 |
| tflower | I actually have another question - when it comes to the ova deploy, since an image is just 1 file in glance, will the ova need to be copied to nova-compute and untarred each time? | 17:23 |
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| arnaud | in the short term yes flower | 17:24 |
| arnaud | but | 17:24 |
| arnaud | currently | 17:24 |
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| arnaud | by taking only the root disk, we can optimize and download only the root disk | 17:24 |
| arnaud | this is not part of the part mentioned above | 17:24 |
| arnaud | but fairly easy to do | 17:25 |
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| arnaud | the files in the ova | 17:25 |
| arnaud | are ordered | 17:25 |
| tflower | I see - for linked clones for example you can assume if the file is there, it's the root disk and not the ova? | 17:25 |
| tflower | ..file is there in the datastore I mean | 17:25 |
| arnaud | I guess so yeah | 17:26 |
| rgerganov | what happens if the ova contains multiple VMs? | 17:26 |
| rgerganov | is there a "primary" vm? | 17:26 |
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| arnaud | you mean a vapp rgerganov ? | 17:26 |
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| rgerganov | yes | 17:27 |
| arnaud | we should take the first one | 17:27 |
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| arnaud | not sure if Vui tested that | 17:27 |
| rgerganov | ok :) | 17:27 |
| arnaud | I will check with him | 17:27 |
| dims | rgerganov: guess we have to expand slowly...first tackle one ova with one vm and multiple disks first | 17:27 |
| arnaud | +1 dims | 17:27 |
| arnaud | that was the approach taken by supporting only the root disk initially | 17:28 |
| arnaud | then expand to more than one | 17:28 |
| dims | nice | 17:28 |
| tjones | yes | 17:28 |
| tflower | the spec in the BP mentinos the ovf isn't really read yet, at least in the short term | 17:28 |
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| arnaud | actually afaik, in the patch, we read the ovf first | 17:29 |
| arnaud | to know where is the root disk | 17:29 |
| tflower | ah, cool | 17:29 |
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| tflower | Just to continue on the untarring thing - not sure how to get around this, would that be considered yet another blueprint? | 17:29 |
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| arnaud | I would say yes but I would hope no :) | 17:30 |
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| tflower | Does that mean the ova implementation may have some solution for this? | 17:31 |
| arnaud | I think we can come with 2 patches | 17:31 |
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| tflower | that would be fantastic | 17:32 |
| arnaud | the first 1: supporting the root disk, and a dependency to support more than 1 | 17:32 |
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| tflower | arnaud: is there some way I can help out? | 17:32 |
| arnaud | you can take the patch I mentioned above and try to add the support for multiple disks | 17:33 |
| arnaud | that would be great | 17:33 |
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| tjones | tflower: need to start with writing the BP in nova-specs and getting it approved | 17:33 |
| tflower | ok great, I will do that | 17:34 |
| tflower | I guess I will do both (BP and start looking at the code too) | 17:34 |
| arnaud | cool, thanks tflower | 17:34 |
| arnaud | I will rebase the first patch | 17:34 |
| arnaud | by the end of the week | 17:34 |
| tjones | thanks arnaud | 17:34 |
| tflower | thanks everyone for taking time in your meeting for me | 17:34 |
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| arnaud | :) | 17:35 |
| tjones | ok anything else people are thinking about for kilo? or anything else for that matter? | 17:35 |
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| tjones | *listening* | 17:37 |
| dims | tjones: we'll have some time carved out in the summit? | 17:37 |
| dims | for kilo discussions? | 17:37 |
| tjones | yes we will - the usual roadmap 20 minutes (i think) | 17:37 |
| tjones | but we should meet and talk more before that | 17:37 |
| arnaud | +1 | 17:38 |
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| dims | +1 | 17:38 |
| dims | tjones: will try to generate some lists | 17:38 |
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| tjones | dims: can you add to the etherpad? | 17:39 |
| dims | tjones: yep | 17:39 |
| tjones | i still have the link to your list from icehouse - sigh | 17:39 |
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| dims | tjones: :) | 17:39 |
| tjones | ok folks if nothing else - lets end early | 17:40 |
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| tjones | going once…. | 17:40 |
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| tjones | ok see you next week | 17:41 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 17:41:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-24-17.00.html | 17:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-24-17.00.txt | 17:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-09-24-17.00.log.html | 17:41 |
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| dims | thanks tjones | 17:41 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 19:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, world. who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
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| zaitcev | o7 | 19:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:00 |
| cutforth | yo | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | <- | 19:01 |
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| hurricanerix | hi | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | this week we'll talk about stuff for the juno release mostly, I think | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #topic general | 19:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | the hackathon in the Boston area is next week | 19:02 |
| notmyname | so many of us will see each other in-person there | 19:02 |
| * cutforth cutforth is bummed he cannot make it to the hackathon | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | and therefore I propose we have no online meeting next week | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | cutforth: too bad | 19:02 |
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| cutforth | notmyname: thanks | 19:03 |
| notmyname | like at previous ones, next week's schedule will be determined when we're there | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to it and to seeing many of you again in person! | 19:03 |
| notmyname | any questions about it (that I can punt to tdasilva)? | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | next general thing... | 19:04 |
| notmyname | go update bash on your servers. do it today | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | just a quick note about the hackathon: red hat is taking us to Kimball Farm on Tuesday night for a fun night and dinner, so try not to plan anything for that night | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | (that one [I don't think] has anything to do with swift, but do it anyway | 19:04 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cool | 19:04 |
| zaitcev | go go gadget lwn | 19:05 |
| notmyname | next up, the autoabandoner | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | we've been running it for long enough to actualy have stuff to abandon | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | any comments or concerns on it? | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | I'd also love for mattoliverau to share his thoughts | 19:05 |
| mattoliverau | it looks like it might be working as since notmyname went through the list last week, it has remained empty | 19:06 |
| mattoliverau | has anyone been annoyed from the email spamming? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: and has it caused too much of a burden on you? | 19:07 |
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| mattoliverau | no, not at all, it now has whitelist functionality which I added last week, so now you can whitelist by name, email, subject, username or number | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | #link http://abandoner.oliver.net.au/abandoned_changes.html | 19:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks for writing it | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | doesn't sound like there are any concerns, so let's move on :-) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #topic juno release | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | first swiftclient | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | acoles discovered that the SwiftService patch broke keystone v3 compat | 19:09 |
| notmyname | which is in part because of lack of keystone v3 coverage | 19:10 |
| notmyname | however, acoles was also awesome by fixing it and adding keystone v3 test coverage | 19:10 |
| notmyname | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123168/ has landed (or is going through jenkins) | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | and that will necessitate a v2.3.1 release of python-swiftclient | 19:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: any other commentary on why it broke or the fix? | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | cool, nice work acoles | 19:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for working on it | 19:11 |
| acoles | well, with hindsight i'd have put those tests in earlier | 19:11 |
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| mattoliverau | with hindsight there'd be no bugs :P | 19:12 |
| acoles | i think the interface between shell and service is a little confused, | 19:12 |
| acoles | i have spoken with joel wright and agreed there could be some tidy up, | 19:12 |
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| acoles | but for now wanted to just fix the bug | 19:12 |
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| acoles | There are some other regressions I have noticed, | 19:12 |
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| acoles | e.g. error scenarios (bad CLI options) now dumpt stack traces rather than helpful hints. | 19:13 |
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| acoles | I'm hoping we can put some dev time on adding swiftclient tests | 19:14 |
| acoles | (we == hp) | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | acoles: anything that you've seen that should prevent the release with v3 support fixed? | 19:15 |
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| acoles | notmyname: just looking for the other bug i filed... | 19:15 |
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| acoles | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1372589 | 19:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372589 in python-swiftclient "'swift stat' prints exception trace when auth fails" [Undecided,New] | 19:16 |
| notmyname | do we need to revert the SwiftService patch until those regressions are straightened out? or is it cheaper to move forward as-is? | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | thoughts from everyone on this qeustion would be good^ | 19:18 |
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| zaitcev | i'm thinking, i'm thinking | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | just move forward; SwiftService encapsulates a lot of complicated stuff | 19:19 |
| acoles | BTW, that bug report is an example, there's others | 19:19 |
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| cschwede | acoles: more errors? | 19:19 |
| zaitcev | yeah. I mostly just verified that download works... with that blasted threading and stuff | 19:19 |
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| torgomatic | if we revert it, we go back to a world where you have to shell out to bin/swift or implement your own manifest building just to get a large object | 19:20 |
| acoles | cschwede: another example was post (I think) with insufficient auth options just returns silently | 19:20 |
| zaitcev | Since I'm not a user of v3, I have not seen anything fatal yet. I think the move to Requests was far more disruptive. | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | yeah, this does remind me of the move to requests. mostly better, but some nasty regressions that were (mostly) fixed subsequently | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I'm of the mind to move forward | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | doesn't sound like anyone wants to revert it, so let's consider it settled :-) | 19:22 |
| acoles | so, to be clear, beyond the v3 fix that is in flight, the issues i have seen are yuk output when cli options are bad/missing, i'm not aware of any other functional errors | 19:22 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ok, moving forward with juno things... | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the juno list has been mostly getting shorter. yay | 19:24 |
| notmyname | with a mind to timeframes, here's what I know | 19:24 |
| notmyname | the juno release is happening oct 16 | 19:24 |
| notmyname | we (I) gave a tentative date a while back of a swift RC on oct 6 | 19:24 |
| notmyname | that's one week from this coming monday | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | next week is the hackathon, so we'll either get everything done then or not work on anything | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | the per-policy container counts is making its way through the gate now | 19:25 |
| notmyname | the zerocopy GET needs one more +2 | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I strongly suspect the global replication improvements and the zerocopy PUT won't make it | 19:26 |
| zaitcev | hopefuly hackathon helps rather than hinder despite all the travel | 19:26 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:26 |
| * mattoliverau puts on his extra big reviewing and testing hat for the next week or so then. | 19:26 | |
| torgomatic | zerocopy PUT isn't even rebased on anything useful at the moment, so... :) | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: the partition movement one has a scary commit message https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121422/ | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | besides, I'm working on something that helps EC but drops a bunch of garbage right in the middle of zero-copy PUT | 19:27 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | as in, I thought we had already figured that out a while back by considering weight before failure domains | 19:27 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: it's a little bit scary; torgomatic had a patch that respected device weight which helped a lot, but that's not enough | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I guess I mean "scary" as in "there's a use case of adding a new region to an existing cluster that has some known issues" | 19:28 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: so the problem is this: when adding a new tier, all devices in the tier are "at risk" and selected to reassign. they aren'T reassigned to another tier, thus moving inside the existing tier | 19:28 |
| notmyname | and I thought we had solved that, but apparantly not well enough | 19:28 |
| notmyname | so lots of data shuffling without actually improving placement | 19:29 |
| cschwede | the added test can be run against the current master branch, then you'll see the difference (amount of moved partitions) | 19:29 |
| cschwede | notmyname: exactly | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | and your patch makes sure partitions are only moved if it improves placement | 19:29 |
| notmyname | also "tier" is more than just a region. it would be affected by adding another zone in a region, too, right? | 19:30 |
| cschwede | yes, by checking first if there are partitions on other tiers that want more partitions | 19:30 |
| cschwede | yes, regions, zones, nodes, … | 19:30 |
| cschwede | there was a lot of back-and-forth, but i think Florent and me got it with the latest patchset | 19:30 |
| notmyname | is it only if you are moving up the placement tree? eg you have only one zone and you add another? or what if you already have N zones and add to it? | 19:30 |
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| cschwede | if you have N zones and add another one it is not that worse, and if you have a large N you might not even notice this | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | so all that being said, this patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121422/) should land in juno. but it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120713/7 which needs one more +2 | 19:32 |
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| torgomatic | the dependency is pretty straightforward; instead of doing some arithmetic spread throughout the builder, just compare old to new and print the number of differences | 19:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: you had already given a +1 on the dependent path. will you be able to follow-up or do you need someone else to look at it? | 19:33 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, tomorrow | 19:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: ack. thanks | 19:34 |
| torgomatic | it's hard not to like, unless you're worried about the builder's memory consumption... and given that you run swift-ring-builder on a machine not in the swift cluster, and then the process exits, who cares? | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: oh I'm sure we could find someone not to like it. I'm told swift devs are cranky ;-) | 19:34 |
| zaitcev | yeah, I run it on proxies and man it's sloooooow for me for some reason | 19:35 |
| zaitcev | but I know that it's wrong and I shouldn't do it | 19:35 |
| acoles | torgomatic: yeah, i just thought i should run it | 19:35 |
| notmyname | is there anything else that needs to be addressed for the juno release | 19:35 |
| notmyname | also, the swift release for juno will have swift 2.2.0 | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | if something does com up, then please let me know asap | 19:36 |
| notmyname | #topic paris summit scheduling | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | here's what I know | 19:37 |
| notmyname | the site we've used in the past is recommended to be not used this time | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | many other projects are using communal etherpads to come up with topics and figure out scheduling | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | I tend to thing that's a pretty terrible idea (not the communal part, the part about trying to track who's doing what) | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | so I'm asking ttx about using the old site. | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | that being said, I certainly want to get broad feedback on what to discuss in paris | 19:39 |
| notmyname | we'll actually have slightly more time, in aggregate, than we did in atlanta | 19:39 |
| notmyname | we'll have 6 assigned sessions (as opposed to 8 in atlanta), but we'll also have a free-form half-day | 19:40 |
| notmyname | any questions or thoughts you'd like to share on summit shceduling? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | I'll figure out how we're doing scheduling and let you know when I know | 19:41 |
| acoles | notmyname: do we get a pod/table like in atlanta? that was useful | 19:41 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | acoles: no, no room for that in paris | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | well, actually, we don't get one for just us | 19:42 |
| notmyname | there are some tables, but they will need to be shared | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | eg pick up the "swift" placard and put it on the table when we talk about stuff | 19:42 |
| mattoliverau | its paris we can just find a cafe ;) | 19:42 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: great idea! | 19:42 |
| notmyname | I have 2 small other things to bring up | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | for those of you who have been following the defcore stuff and were concerned about its exclusion of swift, that came to a head last week and was rejected by the foundation board of directors | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | so they are moving forward with a slight change in direction to look at having multiple trademarks instead of just one by which to label "openstack" | 19:44 |
| notmyname | related to that, pay attention to the "big tent" email thread on the -dev mailing list | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | there are some potential big changes being discussed that could affect openstack organization. if you want to know what's going on or influence it, now's the time | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | finally, some of you may have heard of gnomes' outreach program for women. it's officially kicked off in january, but we have a lady interested in contributing to swift as part of that | 19:46 |
| notmyname | so welcome mahatic and help her out as she works on swift :-) | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | and that's all I've got. | 19:46 |
| mahatic | :) thank you! | 19:46 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 19:47 |
| mattoliverau | yay! welcome mahatic | 19:47 |
| brnelson | I would like to ask a quick question | 19:47 |
| notmyname | brnelson: ask away | 19:47 |
| brnelson | I have a question about the sqlite journaling mode. Right now it's DELETE, but that causes some performance issues on a shared file system. Does anyone know if other possibilities are being investigated? I saw this blueprint as one possible alternative: | 19:47 |
| brnelson | Use WAL journal mode for sqlite: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/consider-wal-mode-sqlite | 19:47 |
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| torgomatic | you mean running multiple container servers against a single file system? | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | do people really do that outside of a SAIO? | 19:47 |
| brnelson | Yes, but we manage the access to the container dbs through individual nodes so that only one node accesses one container | 19:48 |
| mahatic | thank you mattoliverau . Looking forward. | 19:48 |
| torgomatic | interesting... that's the first I've heard of anyone doing that. out of curiosity, why do that instead of using plain old SSDs? | 19:49 |
| torgomatic | (sorry if I'm derailing the conversation) | 19:49 |
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| brnelson | our main product is a shared file system and some customers want to have a Swift object solution using our filesystem | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | huh. well, TIL | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:50 |
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| brnelson | I'll be at the hackathon and can discuss some of the adventures we've had getting it to work | 19:51 |
| acoles | notmyname: i have a quick update re data migration, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64430/ | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | I think the primary use case is still directly-attached plain old filesystems, but if WAL mode speeds up (or doesn't harm) that use case, it may be worth considering | 19:51 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ++ | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | IOW, I'm not too terribly interested in changes that benefit the shared-FS case while harming the XFS-on-a-disk case, but anything that helps both is fair game | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | brnelson: let's dive into it next week! | 19:52 |
| brnelson | it could perhaps be a configuration property used in the shared filesystem case. It wouldn't necessarily have to be always enabled | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | brnelson: but specifically for your question, I don't know of anyone currently working in that area (for that problem or others) | 19:53 |
| brnelson | ok. thanks | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | but I'm glad you're looking at it | 19:53 |
| notmyname | acoles: what's your update for the migration middleware? | 19:54 |
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| acoles | so imho its now in good shape, i would +2 but I've had some input so ideally would leave for others to +2 | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | good to hear | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | thanks for working on it so much up to this point | 19:56 |
| acoles | well, gvernik has been very willing to adapt (btw he's on vacation so not here) | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:56 |
| acoles | and tdasilva made some great input which has been incorporated. | 19:56 |
| notmyname | do you remember if he's going to be in boston next week? | 19:57 |
| tdasilva | i don't think so | 19:57 |
| acoles | i think not, but he is going to paris | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:57 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | ok. remember that we don't have an online meeting next week in lieu of the in-person meeting | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:58 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 19:58 |
| notmyname | thanks for you work on swift! | 19:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 19:58:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-24-19.00.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-24-19.00.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-09-24-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: just means you can sleep late ;-) | 19:59 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol true :) | 19:59 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 20:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:02 |
| ryansb | hey folks | 20:02 |
| BillArnold | hi | 20:02 |
| zaneb | I know stevebaker has been waiting for 24 hours for this :) | 20:03 |
| pas-ha | lol | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | \o/ | 20:03 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: do we really need a FFE status agenda item, or was that a copy-paste fail? | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | its copypasta | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | it's goneburger | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-17-12.00.html | 20:06 |
| zaneb | review python-heatclient support for merged features as a priority | 20:06 |
| zaneb | we got all that stuff in! | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122934/ | 20:06 |
| zaneb | thanks everyone | 20:06 |
| zaneb | nice job on the release stevebaker | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | stack check is missing | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | doh! | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | there are a couple of regressions which will need a 0.2.12, likely today | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | because it wasn't submitted until this weekend :/ | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha, is it ready for review? | 20:07 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, seems so | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha, ok, lets review that for inclusion in 0.2.12 | 20:07 |
| pas-ha | I've +1 already | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | #action all review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122934/ | 20:08 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:09 |
| ryansb | related: I'm ready to package 0.2.12 once it's set to go | 20:09 |
| zaneb | therve sync oslo incubator | 20:09 |
| zaneb | not sure if that happened? | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | I did not see it in reviews | 20:09 |
| zaneb | #action therve sync oslo incubator | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-09-24_2000_UTC.29 | 20:10 |
| zaneb | anything else? | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb, how about discuss deprecating HARestarter | 20:10 |
| zaneb | we already discussed that once, do we have any new information? | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | an actual review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121702/ | 20:11 |
| pas-ha | also deprecating CWLiteAlarms | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121824/ <- what did you think started that discussion? | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | lol, I did a search but didn't find that | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | oh wait, you were first by the looks of it | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | carry on | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | yours has enhanced verbosity | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | lol | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | ok, lots of time available for... | 20:15 |
| zaneb | #topic Release cadence | 20:15 |
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| pas-ha | I've added CWLiteAlarms to agenda | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | so IMO mordred's proposal on release cadence has both up- and down-sides for us | 20:16 |
| zaneb | but I think before we can have that discussion, we need to have a discussion about standalone mode | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | So if you haven't already read http://inaugust.com/post/108 you should. mordred's suggestion #10 is that end-user tools like heat and horizon should adopt a rolling release model so that users get the user-focused features as soon as they are available. this likely affects ttx and david-lyle too. Discuss! | 20:17 |
| pas-ha | I actually fail to see a use-case for rolling release - how many clouds are running openstack master? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | because the truth is that atm Heat requires tight integration with Keystone to be really useful | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha, rackspace | 20:18 |
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| pas-ha | do they run the whole openstack from master? ot just Heat? | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | I'm not sure if it's working for HP because they have their proprietary-not-keystone auth thing still (do they?) | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | or if they just make very limited use of Heat | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, we're close to using swift TempURLs for all the things, so we won't even need to create users for resources soon | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: that might help one part of the issue | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | I think HP are waiting for heat to scale | 20:19 |
| zaneb | the other part is trusts | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | with standalone, password deferred auth seems entirely appropriate since it is their heat | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | so maybe we need a (potentially cross-project) plan to address standalone mode | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | but that would be a pre-requisite to changing the release cycle | 20:20 |
| zaneb | that said, I would still personally be -1 on changing the release cadence | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | I cleaned up devstack support recently, and it works quite well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123330/ | 20:21 |
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| ryansb | I see a value in it for active contributors (Rackspace) but I don't think it'd be good for the Heat community overall | 20:21 |
| ryansb | esp. since Rackspace serves its own needs just by running master | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | I think we should only do it if horizon does. It is unfortunate that a feature that adds one property to a resource can't be delivered to users who want it for 6 months | 20:22 |
| mordred | so - the reason I was suggesting rolling release is to support folks running them as end-user tenants | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | mordred, you mean standalone? | 20:23 |
| mordred | yes | 20:23 |
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| mordred | because if I'm running standalone heat _against_ A cloud, waiting for 6 months to pick up support for a new feature just because seems silly | 20:23 |
| mordred | I obviously might be wrong of course | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | milestones tend to get packaged downstream anyway, so they can always consume those. Or the impending docker images which might be available at whatever cadence | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | mordred: yeah, that sucks. but I'm not sure that it is _more_ true of Heat/Horizon than of any other program | 20:24 |
| mordred | yah. it may even just be more having awareness that heat may be running against a different version of the cloud than it was written for | 20:24 |
| zaneb | it sucks that you ever have to wait for features | 20:25 |
| mordred | indeed | 20:25 |
| zaneb | but we do also do releases for a reason | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | other programs only expose themselves to users as the REST APIs, which really shouldn't change that much | 20:25 |
| zaneb | which is that it's really hard to be not broken 100% of the time | 20:25 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | and feature freeze is a mess of big features which have never worked together before | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | (sometimes. juno has been pretty smooth) | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | mordred: why not just pull master | 20:26 |
| zaneb | also, releases are organised around the Summit, &c. | 20:27 |
| zaneb | it's moderately convenient for us as developers | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | that's as rolling as you get | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | yes, basically our gating should be good enough to ensure master can always be consumed. If it isn't then we need to improve functional and integration testing | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | mordred, as for multi-cloud, it will be implemented as nested stacks. So a sub-template will be launched with different credentials to a different cloud. There will always be one default keystone that gets authenticated against first though | 20:30 |
| mordred | david-lyle: that would work - it's just to make sure that master of horizon/heat could run against $releases | 20:30 |
| mordred | stevebaker: kk | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: not if your master Heat is a standalone one, that one need not auth with keystone at all in theory except to create the child stacks | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb, we could have some noop middleware, yes | 20:32 |
| * asalkeld rubs eyes- sorry , a bit early here | 20:32 | |
| zaneb | asalkeld: we're discussing mordred's thoughts on release cadence | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | o, ok | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | not a bad idea, nice in some ways | 20:34 |
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| zaneb | conclusion: maybe, maybe not, need to get standalone mode into properly working shape first in any event | 20:34 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, a while ago I was close to having multi-cloud standalone working, so that heat.conf had a list of allowed keystone endpoints, and heatclient specified which one to use. I still think that has some merit but I need more buy-in - otherwise we may as well deprecate it | 20:35 |
| mordred | not that I normally list this as a reason to care about things ... | 20:35 |
| mordred | but we do have a very large internal customer at HP running standalone heat in production | 20:35 |
| mordred | so, fwiw, there's at least one real world person who cares | 20:35 |
| zaneb | mordred: I'm curious if they're using it with Keystone? | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | we might need to be better at autodiscovering services and features | 20:35 |
| mordred | not any more so than an unpriviledged user has | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | mordred, good to know. I'm edging towards having a gate job that exercises standalone | 20:36 |
| zaneb | because Keystone has a lot of limitations that prevent standalone mode from being really something we could recommend at the moment | 20:36 |
| mordred | that woudl be great - I could probably find someone to help | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | it would be nice to have user based services | 20:36 |
| mordred | asalkeld: ++ | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | then a user could add the heat service | 20:36 |
| mordred | we were just discussing that the other day | 20:37 |
| mordred | with morganfainberg | 20:37 |
| mordred | (I think) | 20:37 |
| mordred | but I'd LOVE to be able to do that | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | mordred: it's also probably only secure because they're running it inside your firewall | 20:37 |
| mordred | zaneb: they are not | 20:37 |
| mordred | zaneb: this is against hp public cloud | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | also with a paas, you could be super flexible in defining services | 20:37 |
| zaneb | then they're opening up ports for instances to talk back to Heat? or perhaps they're just not using those features | 20:37 |
| zaneb | mordred: ^ | 20:38 |
| mordred | they are not using those features | 20:38 |
| mordred | it's all for creating 50-node single-purpose stacks and deleting them, AIUI | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, swift TempURL makes all that unnecessary | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | mordred: ah, ok. but those are pretty important features for most users | 20:38 |
| zaneb | in any event, stuff we have planned will fix that | 20:38 |
| zaneb | like stevebaker said | 20:38 |
| mordred | zaneb: totally | 20:38 |
| ryansb | Using zaqar would also make it unnecessary. ;) | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | ryansb, yes! | 20:39 |
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| zaneb | putting communication with the instances through Swift or Zaqar or both will solve the problem | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | which may end up being backed by swift ;) | 20:39 |
| zaneb | mordred: can we have Zaqar graduated now please? ;) | 20:39 |
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| asalkeld | more service dependancy is going to make standalone tricky | 20:39 |
| ryansb | yeah...kinda defeats standalone mode's purpose | 20:39 |
| ryansb | "It's standalone...as long as it's with these other things" | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld, it will always be optional. the template author chooses their transports | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | sure, ssh based waitcond. anyone? | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | more options, more testing | 20:40 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that has its own issues, with isolated networks | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | and heat storing private keys... just no. | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, this is in standalone mode | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | so the sure should have the key | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | so the user should have the key | 20:42 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: as much as I don't like it storing passwords in standalone mode, storing keys is not so much worse | 20:42 |
| zaneb | but only in standalone mode | 20:42 |
| zaneb | and there should be big warning signs | 20:42 |
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| zaneb | remind me why Keystone isn't just kerberos again? | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld, sure, its still more for the user to set up than TempURL, since they need to make sure there is incoming ssh security group (which generally they already will) | 20:43 |
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| asalkeld | if the user is running heat-engine it could just look in .ssh/ | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, I think they're working on it ;) | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | oh, excellent | 20:43 |
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| asalkeld | (anyways, semi crazy idea - the ssh thing) | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | so I think we've nicely covered mordred #8, #9, #10 | 20:44 |
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| asalkeld | so the big thing with standalone is "what can we depend on for services that we really need" | 20:45 |
| zaneb | I think we already have a process for #7 via /contrib | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: only things required for Wordpress, apparently | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, the one that mordred is super happy about;) | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | so I hear ;) | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | yep, it would be nice if there was some process for big-tent projects to require writing heat plugins, just to validate that their REST API isn't rubbish. mordred? | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | they have the plugin in their tree | 20:47 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I posted a very long mail to the list disagreeing with that concept today | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | lol | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | (the Wordpress-only concept, that is) | 20:47 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: don't you know? People only ever use their clouds to host wordpress | 20:48 |
| ryansb | Get with the times. | 20:48 |
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| asalkeld | basically we shouldn't need plugins, if people had jsonschema | 20:48 |
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| asalkeld | it could be automagical | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | for the basic cases | 20:48 |
| zaneb | I think convergence may well make the plugins simpler | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | I need to go. If you're looking for something to do our rc1 bugs need to go to zero https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 20:49 |
| zaneb | there are still some terrible APIs out there though :( | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | I won't name names | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:49 |
| zaneb | again | 20:49 |
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| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122627/ | 20:50 |
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| asalkeld | tool to get you reviews based on bugs | 20:50 |
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| zaneb | nifty | 20:51 |
| zaneb | I guess this means we have come to the end of this topic :) | 20:51 |
| zaneb | #topic Deprecating CWLiteAlarms | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: go | 20:51 |
| pas-ha | given asalkeld's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123039/ that tries to solve orphan stackwatch tasks I'd like to hear if there is indeed a plan to deprecate heat-native autoscaling. | 20:52 |
| pas-ha | I know some and suspect there are more clouds that use Nova network and do not deploy ceilometer. For them the only openstack-y loadbalancing solution is our's (probably crappy) AWS LoadBalancer, that depends on.. CWLiteAlarm. | 20:52 |
| zaneb | I don't know if we have a plan to deprecate, but +1 if we do | 20:52 |
| pas-ha | So, are we going to prohibit such use-case? | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, aws lb doesn't depend on cwlite does it? | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | afaik it depends on cw alarms | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself&title=Priortized+Bug+Fix+Dashboard&&Milestone+juno-rc1+Importance+High=change%3A122592+OR+change%3A121693+OR+change%3A123417+OR+change%3A122568&Milestone+juno-rc1+Importance+Medium=change%3A90109+OR+change%3A84664+OR+change%3A110713+OR+change%3A123291+OR+change%3A122274+OR+change%3A123039+OR+change%3A123023&Milestone+juno-rc1+Impo | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | rtance+Low=change%3A117076 | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | lets push metrics to swift TempURLs! | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | our AWS LB is indeed terrible, for the record | 20:53 |
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| asalkeld | we should at some point take cwlite out of the tree | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | and make it an api | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | yes, indeed, was confused by all our remappings | 20:54 |
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| asalkeld | that ceilometer and the new monitoring thing can implement | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | + | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | why do all the new project have names i can't spell or pronounce | 20:55 |
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| asalkeld | monasca and zaqar | 20:56 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I've seen your spelling and that's not a high bar ;) | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:56 |
| zaneb | but seriously, all English words are taken | 20:56 |
| zaneb | usually multiple times over | 20:56 |
| ryansb | but seriously, we ran out of names. | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | ryansb, tell me you had nothing to do with zaqar | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, are you ok with the cwlite deprecation? | 20:57 |
| ryansb | Nothing at all. I do take great pleasure in pronouncing zaqar in a thick french accent though. | 20:58 |
| pas-ha | still looking and parsing those mappings of one to another.. | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:58 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, i am a bit worried real users are consuming cwlite | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | it's a toy | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | we probably need to have monasca integration | 20:59 |
| pas-ha | I will ask my colleagues on real life deployments | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | we are out of time? | 20:59 |
| pas-ha | IMO no critical issues, no? | 21:00 |
| zaneb | wow, that went quick | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 21:00:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-24-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-24-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-24-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | jump back to #heat if you have critical issues to discuss | 21:00 |
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