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| yamahata | hello | 05:00 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: hello | 05:01 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 05:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:01 |
| bmelande | Hi all! | 05:01 |
| yamahata | bmelande: hi. glad to see you | 05:01 |
| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcement (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:02 | |
| yamahata | #chair s3wong bmelande | 05:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bmelande s3wong yamahata | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | I uploaded preview patches to refactor l3_db for routervm | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124695/ | 05:03 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Yes I saw that. I will review them. | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124699/ | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124699/ | 05:04 |
| yamahata | as Kilo cycle is not opened yet, I maked them WIP | 05:04 |
| yamahata | They are intended to pave the road for routervm | 05:04 |
| bmelande | yamahata: What are the main changes you want to make? | 05:05 |
| yamahata | I think they needs discussion to address requirements. | 05:05 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: will take a look | 05:05 |
| yamahata | They allow hooks to override port deletion/update. | 05:05 |
| yamahata | when router or interface attached to router is deleted, we'd like to avoid actual port deletion. | 05:06 |
| bmelande | yamahata: But router ports still use device_owner, device_id attributres? | 05:06 |
| yamahata | bmelande: Yes, basically. the patch allows routervm to do its own task instead of common code that deletes port unconditionally | 05:07 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: Ok, I see. | 05:08 |
| yamahata | vyatta plugin duplicates many code to override it. So I put hooks there. | 05:08 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: ok, makes sense. | 05:08 |
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| yamahata | That's all from me. | 05:09 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: any announce for other project of design summit? | 05:09 |
| s3wong | yamahata: other projects? | 05:09 |
| yamahata | s3wong: the "Other projects" track | 05:10 |
| s3wong | you mean to apply for the "other projects" design summit? | 05:10 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I haven't heard back yet. I don't think they will notify us this early | 05:10 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I see. I'll pray for the acceptance. | 05:11 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: yes, as I mentioned in the email, it didn't ask for descriptions | 05:11 |
| bmelande | yamahata: what is the status of Tacker, wrt to incubation? | 05:11 |
| s3wong | so my guess is it is either first come first serve, or it is through some hidden selection process | 05:12 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: The plan is to make reference routervm work and apply for official incubation in kilo cycle. | 05:12 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Who do we buy some beers? :-) | 05:12 |
| yamahata | I suppose without working code, TC won't approve the application | 05:13 |
| s3wong | bmelande: probably too many people :-) Secret society everywhere in OpenStack :-) | 05:13 |
| yamahata | To be honest, I don't know the actual criteria. | 05:13 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: Ok. Seems like a reasonable requirement and plan to deal with it, | 05:13 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: I agree, we need to justify having a separate project - and that needs code and clear use | 05:13 |
| yamahata | Do we want to apply for incubation even without working code? | 05:14 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I would wait | 05:14 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: for example, Congress has had their alpha release, and I haven't heard they are going to apply for incubation yet | 05:14 |
| bmelande | yamahata, s3wong: Same here. Let's wait and proceeed as we do now until basic working code is in place. | 05:14 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:15 | |
| yamahata | Regarding to reference routervm code, I'm working on it. | 05:15 |
| yamahata | Now I'm trying to refactor/simplify config agent code | 05:15 |
| bmelande | yamahata: ok. | 05:15 |
| s3wong | yamahata: cool | 05:16 |
| yamahata | During that, I happened to refactor l3_db | 05:16 |
| bmelande | yamahata, s3wong: Did any of you add the service VM and routervm code consolidation to the Neutron kilo summit ehterpad? | 05:16 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: yes, I did | 05:17 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Ok good | 05:17 |
| s3wong | bmelande: and I believe someone else also added a sub-item on fw-vm | 05:17 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I did for fw-vm | 05:17 |
| s3wong | yamahata: oh, that was you :-) | 05:17 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I suppose you have already code so you have opinions | 05:18 |
| bmelande | yamahata, s3wong: I also saw that someone added L3 router servicetype/flavor support as an item. We should make sure to be part of that if it is discussed. | 05:19 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: yamahata: IF we get a session slot, we should discuss the content we want to talk about | 05:19 |
| s3wong | bmelande: yes, flavor didn't make Juno; so it is up for Kilo discussion | 05:19 |
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| yamahata | Once kilo spec is opened, we will submit specs and start discussion in advance. | 05:21 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: what specs did you have in mind? | 05:21 |
| s3wong | yamahata: you mean we should submit tacker related specs at Neutron? | 05:21 |
| yamahata | s3wong: a sort of | 05:22 |
| yamahata | bmelande: (l3 refactoring,) | 05:22 |
| yamahata | refererence routervm | 05:22 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I see | 05:22 |
| yamahata | router plugin servicetype(or flavor) support | 05:22 |
| yamahata | For firewall case, I'd like to submit vendor specific blob, L4-7 api | 05:23 |
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| yamahata | Probably generic config agent and so on. This would be to generalize CSR1kv code. | 05:24 |
| yamahata | Do you want to take some of them? | 05:24 |
| s3wong | yamahata: do you foresee vendor service VM to have code running with Neutron server? | 05:24 |
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| s3wong | i.e., do you see that vendor service VM would invoke core_plugin methods directly (thus needs to run in the same context as Neutron)? | 05:25 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Yes we can discuss that. There is a patch set in review to add FW support for CSR via cfg agent adn new fw plugin | 05:25 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I think in Neutron there is their own driver code to talk to their VM. Not so much code in nuetron. | 05:26 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: yes, the trend seems to be advanced services may eventually all be spinned off of Nuetron (even Salvatore talked about that once in the ML) | 05:27 |
| yamahata | bmelande: regarding to vlan trunking, I'm not sure how to make progress or united effort | 05:27 |
| bmelande | s3wong, yamahata: Describing usgage models for service vm will be useful. | 05:27 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: I would hate to see the tacker code to start calling Neutron core method or dependent on running with Neutron | 05:27 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: there are too many VLAN trunking related bps | 05:28 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Sure. just one way from neutron to tacker. | 05:28 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Yes, if/how VLNA trunking will be supported is still open in Neutron | 05:28 |
| yamahata | If we need two way communication, the tacker code should be in neutron, I suppose. anyway we will see. | 05:29 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: though I think it is inevitable that VLAN trunking support would need to be in Neutron, probably not in serviceVM | 05:29 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: Yes definitely. | 05:29 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Yes. | 05:30 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I mean there are several blueprints. and how to reconcile them. | 05:31 |
| s3wong | yamahata: yes | 05:31 |
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| bmelande | yamahata, s3wong: For now I think we can leave issues like VLAN trunking for future and focus on nailing down how tacker is to be used, interactions between neturon and tacker etc | 05:31 |
| yamahata | bmelande: +1 | 05:31 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: also, I agree with bmelande here. IF we get a design session slot, or just get an hour at the pod, we should explain the need of serviceVM / tacker | 05:31 |
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| yamahata | time is over. | 05:33 |
| bmelande | yamahata: s3wong: so, going in that direction... how are we going to have that discusion leading up to the summit? Do we do it as a spec and comment on it? | 05:33 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: anyway is okay for me. | 05:34 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: we should have a direction on where we want to go for Kilo | 05:34 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: and subsequently file specs for that direction | 05:34 |
| s3wong | yamahata: bmelande: if we are just filing specs for tacker, that's easy; but if we are filing specs for Neutron --- I think kilo spec is open now (according to markcmcclain during today's Neutron meeting) | 05:36 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: Oh. that's good. I missed today's neutron meeting. | 05:36 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I might have misread it, it could be "will open" | 05:37 |
| yamahata | For tacker-spec, it's always open. :-) | 05:37 |
| s3wong | yamahata: we are in the midst of RC1 release, so I am not sure spec is open; but it should be soon, if not now... | 05:37 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: I see. anyway I'm going to follow irc log. | 05:38 |
| ekarlso | what's the service-vm thing btw vs using heat ? | 05:38 |
| yamahata | ekarlso: service-vm mainly focuses on network stuff. It's spin off from Neutron. | 05:39 |
| yamahata | Probably there are some overlap with Heat, the focus is different. | 05:40 |
| ekarlso | aho k | 05:40 |
| bmelande | ekarlso: Sort of a "mission statement is here" :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103724/4/specs/juno/api.rst | 05:40 |
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| yamahata | anything else to discuss? | 05:42 |
| s3wong | all good | 05:42 |
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| yamahata | thank you everyone. see you next week | 05:43 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 05:43 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 05:43:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-30-05.01.html | 05:43 |
| bmelande | Ok, bye! | 05:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-30-05.01.txt | 05:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-30-05.01.log.html | 05:43 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 15:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| PaulMurray | hello | 15:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
| n0ano | let's get started then... | 15:01 |
| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:02 |
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| mspreitz | hi | 15:02 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I see you `almost` got your patch in, one final change? | 15:02 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, you on mute :-) | 15:03 |
| bauzas | n0ano: oops | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: sorry, trying to do 15 things once | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: so, yup, my patch is ready to be reviewed | 15:04 |
| bauzas | #info https://review.openstack.org/119807 is ready to be revieweds | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | there are 2 minor nits I need to add, and I'm really concerned about the size of the change | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | but it would be nice if ppl could just review what's already there, before I'm splitting | 15:05 |
| n0ano | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110043/ | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that one was formerly part of isolate-scheduler-db, I decorrelated it | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: because it was not using ERT or anything else, just a quickwin | 15:06 |
| n0ano | OK, so 119807 is the critical one, right? | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | 119807 is required for using correctly the ComputeNode object | 15:07 |
| bauzas | so yep, that's a dep | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | #action all to review https://review.openstack.org/119807 | 15:08 |
| bauzas | once this patch will get merged, plus the one from PaulMurray, I will make use of ComputeNode for passing info to the sched instead of a json dict | 15:08 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I just pushed one patch for computenode and will keep going | 15:09 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, do you have the link to your patch, I'd like to get it into the minutes | 15:09 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: oh nice, any link ? | 15:09 |
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| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125091/ | 15:09 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I haven't yet checked my watched changes | 15:09 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, btw - I haven't run tests on it yet cos I can't make tests work right now | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: ok, let me know if you need help then | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, anyone else have problems with pip? | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: what are your problems ? | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: pip needs to be 1.4.1 | 15:10 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, when I do I just reinstall linux and start from scratch, I've gotten really hung up on pip dependencies in the past | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, don't worry, I will sort it, just complaining to anyone who will listen ;) | 15:11 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: gimme a ping on #nova if you need | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, ok | 15:11 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I can help you to sort it out | 15:11 |
| bauzas | there are magic combinations to have for our dev env | 15:12 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, BTW, your patch has a workflow x from you, will you be sorting that out soon? | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, I did that because I haven't tried it yet, so still going over it | 15:13 |
| n0ano | I normally ignore things with x's but I'll look at this one now. | 15:13 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I can take your patch and run it on my local env | 15:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the common word for workflow x is -W ;) | 15:14 |
| n0ano | bauzas, good to know :-) | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: and +W for asking to be merged | 15:14 |
| bauzas | -W or WIP btw. | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | pip --version | 15:15 |
| PaulMurray | ha ha - oops | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | I guess we're done with that topic ? | 15:16 |
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| n0ano | I was going to say, looks like the current patches are well in progress, no issues there... | 15:16 |
| n0ano | #topic kilo opening up | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I'm not expecting a +W before splitting code :) | 15:17 |
| n0ano | So kilo should open, hopefully this week, are we ready to re-submit our BP for splitting out gantt? | 15:17 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that would need probably some preliminary work | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: not that much, just one or 2 days | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: because I need to publish the new bps | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | let me know if I can help, the sooner we get the BP proposed for kilo the better | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sure thanks | 15:18 |
| n0ano | in that vein... | 15:19 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, are you there? | 15:19 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: yes... | 15:20 |
| n0ano | hoping to get your thoughts on resource tracker, will you be able to write that up soon? | 15:20 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: I've done a lot of writing in the last 6 days or so. will try to do some more on the RT. | 15:21 |
| n0ano | NP, we're looking forward to it. | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | I think we're good on kilo, we should get our BP posted shortly after it opens | 15:22 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: don't overload yourself, we just need to think about how to claim resources using the existing objects | 15:23 |
| n0ano | so, anything new for today? | 15:23 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: as we already discussed, we just need to identify either the actual objects or some nested ones (like ComputeNodeUsage) having a .claim() method | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: not from me | 15:25 |
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| mspreitz | not from me | 15:25 |
| n0ano | I'm hearing a lot of crickets | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | in that case I'll thank everyone and we'll talk again next week. | 15:26 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 15:26:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-30-15.00.html | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-30-15.00.txt | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-30-15.00.log.html | 15:26 |
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| rook | boris-42: ? | 17:03 |
| k4n0 | rook, Hi, lets wait for 5 mins | 17:04 |
| rook | Sounds good | 17:04 |
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| k4n0 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 17:05:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is k4n0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:06 |
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| k4n0 | So seems like boris-42 is offline, lets do a short update sync | 17:06 |
| k4n0 | #topic Plugins | 17:07 |
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| rook | k4n0: sure.. do you happen to know the RPC/HTTP work he has spoken to me about? | 17:07 |
| rook | he being boris-42 | 17:07 |
| k4n0 | rook, Nope, me and boris-42 couldnt sync up after our chat | 17:07 |
| rook | k4n0: ok | 17:07 |
| k4n0 | Anyone has any updates on plugins? | 17:08 |
| k4n0 | oanufriev, ? | 17:08 |
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| rook | none from my end | 17:08 |
| k4n0 | ok, moving on | 17:09 |
| k4n0 | #topic CLI improvements | 17:09 |
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| k4n0 | https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1iZa9V8C3Z09JTC3x2MGpBq-FEszwRmVCYoxCbN1zHgo/edit#heading=h.cd7fv0p8e3fk | 17:09 |
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| k4n0 | Anyone has updates on the CLI improvements we have been doing? | 17:09 |
| rook | No CLI improvements, I would like to talk about any progress on the API work... (sorry for the offtopic) | 17:09 |
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| k4n0 | rook, sure, let me finish old topics | 17:10 |
| msdubov_ | So so oanufrief has taken the 2nd task | 17:10 |
| msdubov_ | it's on review | 17:10 |
| temujin | yes | 17:10 |
| temujin | but it's in progress now | 17:10 |
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| k4n0 | temujin, can you link to the review? | 17:10 |
| k4n0 | I have started working on unit tests for CLI code, will be done in 1-2 days | 17:10 |
| msdubov_ | k4n0 great, I'll be doing some improvements for "rally info" this week | 17:11 |
| oanufriev_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124910 | 17:11 |
| k4n0 | oanufriev_, thanks | 17:11 |
| msdubov_ | like misspelings handling etc | 17:11 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, great ! | 17:11 |
| k4n0 | ok moving on | 17:12 |
| k4n0 | #topic Docs | 17:12 |
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| k4n0 | oanufriev_, any updates? | 17:12 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, Any doc related updates, pending reviews ? | 17:13 |
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| oanufriev_ | k4n0: no. deep discussion needed. i'm waiting till Boris back | 17:13 |
| k4n0 | oanufriev_, ok, any pending reviews for doc related work? | 17:13 |
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| msdubov_ | k4n0 not finished my work yet... will make an update this week | 17:14 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, cool | 17:14 |
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| k4n0 | Alright, moving on | 17:15 |
| k4n0 | #topic Summit preparation? | 17:15 |
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| k4n0 | I know boris-42 is not online, but is there anything we are to discuss in Paris summit? | 17:15 |
| k4n0 | maybe we can start a etherpad for collaborating on that | 17:15 |
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| msdubov_ | Well I've forgotten the topis of talks Boris is going to give in Paris, but he definitely will have a couple of them | 17:16 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, any comments about this ^ | 17:16 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, Yea, me and boris-42 will give a talk as well | 17:17 |
| k4n0 | https://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/02c2d667ba3d46e3aa6a7e8f5f4a0dd9 | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | k4n0 Whar are you going to speak about? | 17:18 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, We will try to evaluate openstack vendors (Neutron/Cinder) using rally + osprofiler | 17:18 |
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| msdubov_ | So you have a joint session? That's nice | 17:18 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, Yes :) | 17:19 |
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| k4n0 | Ok, lets move ahead then | 17:19 |
| k4n0 | #topic Free discussion | 17:19 |
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| k4n0 | rook, ^ | 17:19 |
| rook | k4n0 nothing, i wish boris was eh | 17:20 |
| rook | here =) | 17:20 |
| rook | i wanted to get more details around the RPC/http work! | 17:20 |
| k4n0 | rook, hehe, yea, he must be very busy. | 17:20 |
| k4n0 | maybe msdubov_, can help? | 17:20 |
| k4n0 | rook, can you point to the blueprint ? | 17:21 |
| rook | k4n0: that is the problem, he didn't have one | 17:21 |
| k4n0 | rook, ahh, yes | 17:21 |
| rook | lol | 17:21 |
| rook | super secret project | 17:21 |
| k4n0 | rook, you can still give others bit context | 17:21 |
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| rook | I wanted a way to launch all the guests, then run a workload in concert. Currently this cannot be done with Rally... Boris mentioned the RPC/HTTP work will help this. | 17:22 |
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| msdubov_ | rook, k4n0, well this work definitely was initiated some time ago, and I even remember a blueprint, but can't find it right now | 17:23 |
| rook | so, obviously I cannot run 1200 guests all at once, I would need to have a concurrency of 20-30, and work up to the # of guests i can support. | 17:23 |
| msdubov_ | we have an 'aas' module in Rally | 17:23 |
| rook | AAS ? | 17:24 |
| k4n0 | rook, Hehe, yes, can you take a look here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/rally/aas | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | rook 'As-a-service' :) | 17:24 |
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| k4n0 | msdubov_, I have a review request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125012/ | 17:25 |
| msdubov_ | k4n0 will do! I have one for you as well: https://review.openstack.org/119297 | 17:26 |
| k4n0 | #action msdubov_ to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125012/ | 17:26 |
| k4n0 | #action k4n0 to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125012/ | 17:26 |
| rook | ah, nice k4n0 thanks | 17:26 |
| rook | What does RaaS get me? ;) | 17:27 |
| k4n0 | rook, I need to sync up with boris-42 , cannot comment now :) | 17:27 |
| k4n0 | msdubov_, ^ ? | 17:27 |
| msdubov_ | Me either | 17:27 |
| rook | lol | 17:27 |
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| rook | aight | 17:27 |
| k4n0 | ok, it seems we can wrap this meeting :) | 17:27 |
| k4n0 | any more discussion items? | 17:27 |
| rook | sure, thanks k4n0 | 17:27 |
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| k4n0 | sorry rook , will get back to you soon | 17:28 |
| msdubov_ | No from me, k4n0 thanks for chairing! | 17:28 |
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| k4n0 | Thanks for attending this short meeting guys :) | 17:28 |
| k4n0 | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 17:28:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-30-17.05.html | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-30-17.05.txt | 17:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-30-17.05.log.html | 17:28 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 17:57 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time of the week again. | 17:57 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:57 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:57 |
| nkinder | hi | 17:58 |
| gyee | \o | 17:58 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: hey | 17:58 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: early starter, eh? | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, a couple minutes early ping | 17:58 |
| ayoung | earlier each week | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, works so we can start closer to on time | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 17:58 |
| rharwood | \o | 17:58 |
| bknudson | setting his clock back already | 17:58 |
| ayoung | we rarely had the room clear in the past | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | has been clear the last few weeks | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | so *shrug* | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | wonder if the team right before us changed times | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | or just stopped meeting | 17:59 |
| gyee | my atomic clock says its time | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:00 |
| rharwood | I think it's rally before us? | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 18:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | So the meeting should be relatively quick overall then we have plenty to discuss for the summit planning (sessions, etc) | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: no weight on your shoulders anymore. | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, o/ | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | WE CUT JUNO RC1! | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | woohoo! | 18:01 |
| dolphm | nice work, everyone! | 18:01 |
| nkinder | yay! | 18:01 |
| bknudson | is there a branch for rc fixes? | 18:01 |
| ayoung | nice swan song Dolph | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yes proposed/juno | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | we seriously flew the RC bugs this cycle, which was really impressive. so, big thanks to everyone who contributed! | 18:01 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | 53 bugs got fixed total :) | 18:02 |
| nkinder | so is there a LP tag that we should add for proposed/juno bugs? | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | wow | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, juno-rc-potential i think? /me checks | 18:02 |
| dolphm | nkinder: yes, so we're still using juno-rc-potential | 18:02 |
| dolphm | for things that can potentially be backported | 18:02 |
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| nkinder | ok, I have a few to add to that (the LDAP ones from this morning) | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | fixes should land to master first, then be backported after they land | 18:03 |
| dolphm | nkinder: ++ | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder, yeah the two ldap ones you proposed fixes for should both hit RC2 if we're cutting an RC2 | 18:03 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | nkinder, utf8 problems again for ldap? | 18:03 |
| bknudson | do we have an etherpad for rc-potential reviews? | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i'll keep using the same gist | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, i've been a fan of https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:04 |
| nkinder | stevemar: yep, a regression from a fix that went into RC | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, and the gist | 18:04 |
| nkinder | stevemar: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125097/ | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, star that review ^ | 18:04 |
| dolphm | stevemar: done | 18:04 |
| nkinder | stevemar: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125083/ | 18:04 |
| stevemar | dolphm, and this one v | 18:04 |
| stevemar | err ^ | 18:05 |
| dolphm | stevemar: that's already on https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | :P | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | defintely awesome work everyone! | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | ++ i don't have much else to say, other than it already looks like we'll have an RC2 in a couple days due to the one fix that nkinder proposed this morning | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | and if you run into any bugs, please please say somthing sooner vs later :) | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | yes, open bugs ASAP | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | even if you're not confident it's a bug - it's the best way to raise a red flag at this point in the cycle | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 18:07 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: I think I’ve got one on the federation sql migration downgrade…does handle teh FKs | 18:07 |
| henrynash | will raises asap | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, thanks | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | On a related note.... | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Juno release notes | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, all you again | 18:07 |
| dolphm | ack | 18:08 |
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| gyee | just curious, how many deplolyments support downgrade in production, I bet none | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | so i was excited to see that some release notes had already been written yesterday | 18:08 |
| dolphm | but i spent most of the day filling out as many as i could: | 18:08 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29 | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | i wonder who wrote them =\ | 18:09 |
| dolphm | i'd appreciate if everyone read through them, and contributed edits, things i overlooked, forgot about, etc | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | I have a couple small notes to add, I'll get them added today | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | everything is roughly sorted by how much awareness it should raise, because sure no one is going ot read more than a line or two from each section :) | 18:10 |
| dolphm | otherwise, please have at it :) | 18:10 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: multi-backends isn't really called out separately | 18:10 |
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| nkinder | that and the fact that domains is supported for LDAP seems worthy of being called out | 18:10 |
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| topol | nkinder, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125097/ looks very good! | 18:11 |
| dolphm | nkinder: i half-covered that with "In the case of multiple identity backends..." since it wasn't entirely a new feature, but please do flesh it out! | 18:11 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: ok, I saw it was mentioned. I'll try to flesh it out some more. | 18:11 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: (fyi, that bug raised: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1375937) | 18:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1375937 in keystone "Downgrade of federation extension can fail due to FKs" [Undecided,New] | 18:11 |
| dolphm | nkinder: thanks! | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, thanks! i'll look at it post meeting | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: i assume we didn't catch that just because sqlite doesn't care about FK's? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, likely | 18:12 |
| topol | dolph, Yay the release notes mentioned CADF for federation and role assignments | 18:12 |
| stevemar | thats an impressive amount of stuff | 18:12 |
| * stevemar read over the release notes | 18:13 | |
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| bknudson | you'd think the whole keystone problem would have been solved by now. | 18:13 |
| henrynash | dolphm: yep - I found it while working https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1363047 | 18:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1363047 in keystone "test_sql_upgrade and live_test not working for non-sqlite DBs" [High,In progress] | 18:13 |
| topol | stevemar +++ This a great release to be associated with!!! | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: that's all i've got | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Bug Triage | 18:14 |
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| bknudson | There's no results for https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/?search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&orderby=-id | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | I wanted to call out dolphm, stevemar, lbragstad for doing an amazing job in helping to get the untriaged bugs under controll | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | lots of people helped as well | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | but i know that those three cleaned up a bunch | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | in general great work everyone! | 18:15 |
| dstanek | ++ | 18:15 |
| bknudson | are we supposed to also look at the bugs in the link for "keystone in Ubuntu" | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, not sure, are we? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, never looked there myself. | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: do you have a link? | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | it's right there on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/?search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&orderby=-id page | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone | 18:16 |
| dolphm | bknudson: we pass bugs back and forth on occassion, but those should be packaging bugs | 18:16 |
| stevemar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone | 18:16 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i don't think so - that is usually not stuff we can fix | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | in the next week i'll be turning on a bot that will report to #openstack-keystone untriaged bugs for all of the projects we control. | 18:17 |
| bknudson | they do look like packaging bugs | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | it'll report current stats (count and a link to the list) about once every 2 hrs | 18:17 |
| stevemar | then let packagers worry about it :P | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | while we all get email, sometimes a quick "oh look, here are some bugs no one has looked at yet" in IRC goes a long way | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | sounds like a good idea | 18:18 |
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| nkinder | morganfainberg: +1 | 18:18 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i just wrote a script yesterday that runs every 5 minutes and looks for new bugs - trying to combite it with dolphm's gerrit script | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | this is based on tripleo's untriaged bot, i think there is some benefit to try and get eyes on bugs as quickly as possible. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i'd love to get a gist for it as well. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, let me know i'm totally game to combine efforts | 18:18 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: i have a few more small tweaks, but i'll publish it - it uses terminal-notifier | 18:19 |
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| topol | dont join forces... do a bake off. Fight Fight Fight :-) | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, cool | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | we're going to skip around the agenda really quickly | 18:19 |
| dolphm | dstanek: gerrit-growler? | 18:19 |
| * topol probably better to join forces | 18:19 | |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 18:20 |
| dstanek | dolphm: i had a bunch of issues with the growler stuff - so i went to pync | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: I submitted some patches to gerrit-growler for a couple of the things I was seeing | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | i need to get gerrit-growler working | 18:21 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: haha, yes gerrit-growler | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: we'll have to catch up post-meeting, i'm curious what you're doing | 18:21 |
| dstanek | dolphm: i did surgery on it to not just look at starred reviews | 18:21 |
| stevemar | i guess the last topic is the design sessions? | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Hierarchical Multitenancy Patches | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/116850/ | 18:22 |
| stevemar | op - nvm mind, multiprojectcy first | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods and raildo wont be here today, but please review the multitenency stuff | 18:22 |
| bknudson | fancy | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | is this still in a topic branch? | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | we'd like to get it moving again, a lot of people are interested in it | 18:23 |
| bknudson | (does it need to be?) | 18:23 |
| stevemar | bknudson, that is the fanciest paste i've ever seen | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think so. but it doesn't need to be now | 18:23 |
| stevemar | yes it's still in a feature branch | 18:23 |
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| samuelmz | I'm here o/ | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | samuelmz, welcome. | 18:24 |
| samuelmz | If you have question about that | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | thats a lot of reviews | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | samuelmz, anything you want to add as commentary? | 18:24 |
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| samuelmz | no .. I'm preparing a script for setting up the environment to test everything | 18:24 |
| bknudson | devstack? | 18:24 |
| samuelmz | yes | 18:25 |
| samuelmz | you also use it, don't you? :-) | 18:25 |
| ayoung | from time to time | 18:25 |
| bknudson | if it's in devstack it'll be easy for me | 18:25 |
| samuelmz | or if you prefer, I can provide an instance with the code deployed .. and then you can make the calls | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | samuelmz, having it as part of devstack will be nice for people wanting to play with the code and/or when it comes time for integration work cross projects and testing | 18:26 |
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| samuelmz | yes | 18:27 |
| samuelmz | if you want to try it out .. ssh stack@ssh.cloud2.lsd.ufcg.edu.br -p 10090 | 18:27 |
| samuelmz | password is stack | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | samuelmz, FYI i wouldn't put passwords in this channel, it's logged and very public. | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | samuelmz, unless that is planned to be a very short lived instance | 18:28 |
| samuelmz | yes, it is | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | anything else on Heirarchical stuff? | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Kilo Summit Sessions Discussion | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | The big topic | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-keystone-summit-topics | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | this is the *correct* etherpad | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | the old etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-kilo-summit-sessions is slowly being moved over | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | please feel free to jump in and discuss the topics there | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, o/ you have a specific sub-topic here | 18:30 |
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| samuelmz | morganfainberg, I changed that instance credentials .. anyone who'd like to test may feel free to ask me for them | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | samuelmz ++ good call. | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | I started pulling all the token sessions into one block | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung thanks! | 18:32 |
| marekd | o/ so i was thinking about adding gerrit testsuite for federation - so we can test the full workflow, not mocked saml assertions. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | line 12 | 18:32 |
| ayoung | marekd, maybe... | 18:32 |
| marekd | i think i added this in one of previous etherpads. If it wasnt moved to the new one I will add it. | 18:32 |
| marekd | ayoung: why maybe? | 18:32 |
| marekd | ayoung: you think it's a bad idea? | 18:32 |
| afaranha | morganfainberg: Do we have place to discuss about the multi-level policy files? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | marekd, no good idea | 18:33 |
| ayoung | but, we were saying this: | 18:33 |
| dstanek | i have a few code reviews for messing with passwords that are really old - i stopped working on them before the last summit when we said maybe we don't want to expand identify | 18:33 |
| ayoung | thereare like, 10 different LDAP setups we need to support | 18:33 |
| ayoung | we can't support them all | 18:33 |
| henrynash | afarnha: multi-level? | 18:33 |
| nkinder | yeah, I just added LDAP to the CI item | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | the the main idea for the etherpad is trying to hammer out what the sessions should be, similar to the last summits. if something is a "yes we should do it" we're not going to have a whole summit session to agree to it. | 18:33 |
| dstanek | in the last summit we talked about splitting it out and i'm wondering if that's worth talking about | 18:33 |
| ayoung | lets offload to the various organizations to run a check job for their setup | 18:33 |
| marekd | ayoung: i find myself quite often writing unit tests and later trying it on my own setup and pasting the comment "worked on my testbed" | 18:33 |
| ayoung | and maybe SAML is treated the same way | 18:33 |
| dstanek | also there seems to be no demand anymore for the password features i was working on | 18:33 |
| bknudson | I'm still not sure what the CI will look like in K... | 18:34 |
| ayoung | we set up a few SAML providers and external check jobs to run against them | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | we ill have 7 session slots, a 1/2 day meetup (on friday) [think like the mid-cycle format], and pods just like the last time. | 18:34 |
| bknudson | are they expecting us to provide our own tempest-style tests? | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | s/ill/will | 18:34 |
| afaranha | henrynash: yes, in the etherpad is tagged as "(HN) Multi-domain policy files, roles etc.", just saw it | 18:34 |
| marekd | ayoung: but we *recommend* service provider stuff (mod_shib) and we need to be sure it will smoothly work with apache and keystone | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | should our "unit" tests be doing testing based on whether the service is available? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | marekd, yeah, and maybe we do that and openldap as supported by devtack as the baseline | 18:34 |
| bknudson | e.g., have tests in keystone/tests that run if mysql is avaialble | 18:35 |
| henrynash | afaranha: yep, I put that there….was that what you were refering to - or something else? | 18:35 |
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| marekd | ayoung: anyway, thats my proposal. If ppl don't like it we will simply don't do that. | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | or postgres, or ldap | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, afaict functional tests (our RESTful cases) should be run in-tree and should expand to cover mysql, pgsl, ldap, etc support. | 18:35 |
| dstanek | bknudson: maybe for some optional tests, but those wouldn't be unit tests | 18:35 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: dolphm i wil add the entry again if you let me. (unless you think it's really pointless at this early stage) | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, integration (e.g. nova using keystone) would still be tempest | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, please add away | 18:36 |
| afaranha | henrynash: yes, thats it, In the lab we have been working on that since a few months ago | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, anything that was not moved over from the old etherpad has strictly been because i haven't had a chance to do it, or i've been trying to consolidate some and working to figure that out | 18:36 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: sure thing. | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, no harm in adding it back in if it's missing | 18:36 |
| afaranha | I'd like to know what path should we follow, we sent a policy sample and we're already doing the fixes in it | 18:37 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: any thoughts on password features? | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, rotation? | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so ideally we should work to make our functional tests work with *any* of the backends and then we can standup appropriate environments and test against each one. and/or mirror more "real" deployment choices [especially since we don't rely on other services at the moment, it gives us a lot of flexibility in what we can model in our testing] | 18:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: maybe you can inquire with HP folks about pw rotation and stuff while you're down there | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it's on my list of things to do. | 18:38 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yes, and some of the other requested stuff (validation, etc.) | 18:39 |
| gyee | dolphm, low priority, especially if we are separating out IdP from Keystone | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'm in process of setting up meetings so i can figure out what all the demands are and see where everyone lies. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dstanek, would love to say "use LDAP for that" | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | s/lies/sees things/ | 18:39 |
| nkinder | ayoung: +1 | 18:39 |
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| bknudson | but if you use LDAP now you don't have domains | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dstanek, and...I think we can do that with multi LDAP backend | 18:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ everyone lies | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, hehe | 18:40 |
| nkinder | bknudson: not true in juno though | 18:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes you can, you just need to have a config file per domain | 18:40 |
| dolphm | and multiple ldap servers | 18:40 |
| ayoung | nope | 18:40 |
| dolphm | most likely, anwyay | 18:40 |
| nkinder | dolphm: no | 18:40 |
| bknudson | and apparently heat and other projects are expecting to be able to create users | 18:40 |
| ayoung | can be in separate subtrees of one ldap server | 18:40 |
| nkinder | you could use separate trees, or even just separate user filters in one tree | 18:40 |
| nkinder | it's pretty flexible | 18:40 |
| dolphm | ayoung: right, but i'm just guessing that's not how it'll be utilized most | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: oh filters is an interesting approach | 18:41 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: let me know what you find out | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we don't want to support that | 18:41 |
| dolphm | didn't think of that | 18:41 |
| nkinder | dolphm: yeah, was thinking about that yesterday | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, especially relevant on the topic of people using AD. | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | amazing what filters they like to use to isolate users int he tree | 18:41 |
| topol | nkinder can you elaborate? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | filter or other LDAP approaches should be acceptable | 18:41 |
| nkinder | memberOf: <domainA> | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | not necessarily openstack specific | 18:41 |
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| nkinder | basically turn domains into LDAP groups and determine what domain(s) a user could be in. Lots that can be done there. | 18:42 |
| ayoung | topol, similiar to your origianal implementation.... | 18:42 |
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| nkinder | you could even have a single user span multiple domains, which is an interesting thought | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | shudder | 18:42 |
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| topol | ayoung, Im sure way better than that monstrosity :-) | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | bottom line: we can make better use of LDAP, which already supports password policy | 18:43 |
| ayoung | without anything new, we can do multiple domains, just high touch | 18:43 |
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| topol | nkinder, where were you two years ago, when folks kicked my ass over that :-) | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | topol, working on 389 | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we will still have demand for SQL identity. but it'll mostly be for the service-user case and to support those who have historically used it. | 18:44 |
| bknudson | the sql backend is unusable due to having requirements for passwords | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | that the sql backend doesn't support | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and/or keystone manages their users (not readonly). we may want to long term look at if we want to drop SQL identity and how to do the migrations. | 18:44 |
| gyee | use certs for the server users | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | but i think the LDAP backend (read/write) is not fully baked enough as of yet to *really* be a full IDP backend. | 18:45 |
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| gyee | they are "internal users" | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | client certs seem like a good idea. | 18:45 |
| nkinder | gyee: +1. I like hte certs approach for service users | 18:45 |
| bknudson | maybe have a cert field in the user table | 18:45 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, its beter than the SQL backend | 18:45 |
| ayoung | its gotten more attention | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd say it's about the same. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | certs ++ | 18:45 |
| topol | morganfainberg +++ I thought wrtie LDAP had all kinds of problems we were running from | 18:45 |
| gyee | bknudson, no need for token, just straight cert auth | 18:45 |
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| gyee | service users are highly static | 18:46 |
| * topol it feels like throwback Keystone Thursday | 18:46 | |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, neither SQL nor read/write LDAP have gotten the love they need to be full featured | 18:46 |
| ayoung | service users should be able to use X509 or Kerberos. | 18:46 |
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| nkinder | morganfainberg: yeah, that's pretty accurate | 18:46 |
| ayoung | that is a ATM issue | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | remember, people will want username/password support. | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | you cna't eliminate it, you can make it the "less preferential" model. | 18:47 |
| topol | morganfainberg +++ | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | we should be able to make it so that no password is required | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, absolutely | 18:47 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, keystone identity sql backend doesn't even support password policies at the moment | 18:47 |
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| gyee | min, max password lenght, password composition, etc | 18:47 |
| bknudson | gyee: the question is, should it? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | if you can use ldap, why reimplement it? | 18:48 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: one nice thing about certs for service users is that it allows us to get passwords out of files in other services | 18:48 |
| topol | gyee, I though keystone identity was frankly a toy | 18:48 |
| topol | (sql identity) | 18:48 |
| gyee | topol, damn straight! | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, i agree. doesn't mean anyone/everyone would use it. | 18:48 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: yeah, I agree | 18:48 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: but it means we shouldn't try to make passwords a first-class solution | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder, we should make sure they work, and we can't eliminate them. but I agree certs for service users is a great model | 18:49 |
| ayoung | gyee, added a middleware section on the etherpad to cover the service users issue. | 18:49 |
| gyee | ayoung, thanks | 18:49 |
| topol | I viewed sql identity as a gateway drug. Gave you a chance to play with things before trying the hard stuff | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | gyee, jamielennox started an auth plugin review that is related, I think | 18:49 |
| dolphm | topol: ++ | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | heck, if service users also *always* used token binding... it would make that a significantly better / secure setup. | 18:49 |
| gyee | topol, lets pow wow | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, i'll talk with you some about this when i'm up there next week :) | 18:50 |
| bknudson | I thought we were saying no tokens for service users | 18:50 |
| bknudson | just use your cert on the request and you're authenticated | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, oh so x509 or similar direct to the endpoint? | 18:50 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: you're headed up this way? | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hm... i like that too | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, yeah next week i'll be in PDX for the first 2 days then in Sunnyvale for a couple days | 18:51 |
| gyee | bknudson, sure why not | 18:51 |
| topol | bknudson I like that | 18:51 |
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| nkinder | morganfainberg: I wouldn't mind getting together with you and gyee to talk about some of this when you're in sunnyvale | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the question is does keystone then issue that cert? | 18:51 |
| gyee | there's no one-size-fits-all, we optimize on behavior | 18:51 |
| bknudson | of course not | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder, sounds good. gyee ^ :) | 18:51 |
| bknudson | you get it from your ca | 18:51 |
| nkinder | bknudson: ++ | 18:52 |
| topol | bknudson good answer | 18:52 |
| gyee | barbican perhaps | 18:52 |
| nkinder | gyee: chicken and the egg there... | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so the endpoint will need to call back to keystone to get user RBAC info for the service user then? | 18:52 |
| topol | gyee+++ good backup | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | barbican would have to ask Keystone if the service had access to that cert? | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, since the cert doesn't contain the attributes needed to directly cover policy enforcement | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | not the end of the world. | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | just something to consider | 18:53 |
| gyee | there will be some bootstrapping involve | 18:53 |
| gyee | between Keystone and Barbican | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | [7mins left in meeting] | 18:53 |
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| nkinder | Barbican doesn't really supply certs for infrastructure pieces (it's more for services that OpenStack provides) | 18:54 |
| nkinder | more discussion for the summit... :) | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | there will definitely be at least 1 session on client/middleware | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | i can say that confidently | 18:54 |
| bknudson | so at some point we decide what sessions we're going to hvae... | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | i'll bug dolphm and get some insight on how this will end up working :) and we'll continue the discussion in the etherpad / -keystone | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I have to say that with multi backends, and service users out of ldap...everything should be a user. | 18:56 |
| topol | with 7 sessions I expect lots of merging... or lots of talk at the bar at nights | 18:56 |
| ayoung | each endpoint, each compute node | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | topol, or in the pods. | 18:56 |
| nkinder | topol: likely both :) | 18:56 |
| ayoung | and then we say a user can have one (or more?) x509 certs associated | 18:56 |
| bknudson | I'm not sure how well merging works... we've got 40 mins and we need to reach a conclusion. | 18:56 |
| topol | or scotch in the pods. like last time | 18:56 |
| dolphm | no paper cups | 18:56 |
| samuelmz | morganfainberg, about the hierarchical multitenancy stuff | 18:56 |
| dolphm | new rule | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | LOL | 18:56 |
| gyee | haha | 18:57 |
| samuelmz | morganfainberg, -> 10 steps to get a devstack with Hierarchical Projects and Inherited Roles working (http://paste.openstack.org/show/117237/) | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | samuelmz, thanks! | 18:57 |
| topol | plastic ? | 18:57 |
| bknudson | bring your own shot glass or flask | 18:57 |
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| dstanek | we really need a question for each session to answer to make sure we leave it knowing something got done | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:57 |
| gyee | is flask allowed on the plane? | 18:57 |
| nkinder | dstanek: +1 | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | gyee: just make sure it's empty... | 18:58 |
| topol | gyee if its empty | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, agreed | 18:58 |
| nkinder | gyee: if you drink it first, why not? | 18:58 |
| gyee | hell yeah! | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | or a specific mission for the session | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. get details of XXX worked out. | 18:58 |
| bknudson | maybe that would help us prepare better for the session, too | 18:58 |
| nkinder | yeah, I really like the idea of setting a goal for each session | 18:58 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ++ | 18:58 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i'd even make it more specific than that if we can | 18:58 |
| topol | me too!! | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ++ | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ok we're out of time here. we can continue in #openstack-keystone | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | thanks for showing up! | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 18:59:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-30-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-30-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-30-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| fungi | infra team assemble! | 18:59 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | \o | 19:00 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 19:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| VijayTripathi | Hello everyone | 19:01 |
| AJaeger_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| VijayTripathi | This is Vijay Tripathi from Microsoft | 19:01 |
| clarkb | hi there | 19:01 |
| primeministerp | hey there | 19:01 |
| fungi | we have a long agenda so i'm going to try to burn though it quickly in hopes we can fit it all into the hour | 19:01 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 19:01 |
| primeministerp | hey VijayTripathi | 19:01 |
| primeministerp | hi ociuhandu | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-23-19.02.html | 19:02 |
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| fungi | nibalizer file a story with a task for each project for http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 19:02 |
| fungi | looks like you did? | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/302 | 19:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:02 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
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| fungi | i will take his silence as assent, as well as a sign that he'll volunteer for any unclaimed action items henceforth ;) | 19:03 |
| fungi | jeblair send project-config announcement to -dev list | 19:04 |
| fungi | he's not here today, but he did | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047207.html | 19:04 |
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| fungi | mordred to write up autoincrement plan for infra bug import | 19:04 |
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| fungi | looks like krotscheck did that | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/123821 | 19:04 |
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| krotscheck | Ayup. | 19:04 |
| fungi | krotscheck make list of infra projects in launchpad for krotscheck to use in testing | 19:04 |
| krotscheck | Landed | 19:04 |
| krotscheck | Also done. | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-storyboard-migration | 19:05 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:05 |
| krotscheck | Furthermore, testing complete, and bugs encountered have been landed. | 19:05 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: you landed more bugs :P | 19:05 |
| krotscheck | I did! | 19:05 |
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| krotscheck | clarkb: A ladybug and a grashopper. | 19:05 |
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| fungi | and now we come to the last action item, which breaks our "accomplish all the things" mantra | 19:05 |
| fungi | fungi get devstack.org served by openstack rackspace dns account | 19:05 |
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| fungi | minor snag with cruft in the provider's dns, blocked on service provider ticket 140930-ord-0001529 | 19:06 |
| anteaya | woooo | 19:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: is there a tl;dr for that? | 19:06 |
| clarkb | (I don't think the majority of folks here can see that ticket, I assume its a request for authority tarnsfer?) | 19:06 |
| fungi | yeah, the dns interface complains when i try to add devstack.org that there is a subdomain of that belonging to another tenant | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | well that knocks my item lower in the agenda off the list for this week | 19:06 |
| anteaya | fungi: terrific | 19:06 |
| fungi | likely cruft in their database | 19:07 |
| fungi | anteaya: no problem. we can discuss that when we get to it, or skip and move it to next week, or address out of band in #openstack-infra later | 19:07 |
| anteaya | yup | 19:07 |
| anteaya | your call, chari | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Kilo summit topic brainstorming pad | 19:07 |
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| anteaya | chair | 19:07 |
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| fungi | chair's perogative | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 19:08 |
| fungi | seems we didn't have one yet | 19:08 |
| fungi | let's all take some time to throw spaghetti at that and see what sticks | 19:08 |
| fungi | but not in this meeting | 19:08 |
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| pleia2 | we'll need to chat with translators at some point, but I'm not sure whether that's our track or theirs (historically theirs I think?) | 19:08 |
| anteaya | put it down | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | right | 19:08 |
| nibalizer | o/ yes i made a the story | 19:08 |
| fungi | k | 19:08 |
| AJaeger_ | translators don't have a track AFAIR | 19:08 |
| anteaya | and then we can find the best home after | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (fungi) | 19:09 |
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| fungi | Puppet 3 Migration | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I think the old master is still alive | 19:09 |
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| fungi | is there pending cleanup out there for this? i think we can nail the coffin shut now right? | 19:09 |
| clarkb | but other than that we are basically done | 19:09 |
| fungi | cool | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | i think it can be killed yea | 19:10 |
| fungi | #action fungi delete old ci-puppetmaster.openstack.org | 19:10 |
| fungi | Swift logs | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps | 19:10 |
| fungi | jhesketh is around or still asleep? | 19:10 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: can close bug 1263164 when that's done (puppetmaster) | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263164 in openstack-ci "Need to rebuild Puppet Master server" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263164 | 19:10 |
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| fungi | pleia2: oh, thanks | 19:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: I haven't seen him, must be sleeping. We are now running swift log uploads for more infra jobs though | 19:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: which should give us better performance data | 19:12 |
| fungi | yep, saw that | 19:12 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:12 |
| fungi | we should probably wait and collect stats | 19:12 |
| AJaeger_ | he was around during my morning, hacking long into the night... | 19:12 |
| clarkb | yup I think next step is to come back here with a bit more data | 19:12 |
| fungi | #agreed continue watching infra project logs in swift for signs of bugs and performance issues, revisit next meeting | 19:13 |
| fungi | Config repo split | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | thanks to the hard work of a lot of people that seems to have gone really well | 19:13 |
| fungi | that is still pending the rename to system-config | 19:13 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:13 |
| fungi | but yes, the hard part is behind us | 19:13 |
| fungi | thank you everyone | 19:14 |
| anteaya | yes thank you, and it did go well | 19:14 |
| clarkb | are there any other outstanding cleanup changes? | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | yes good job everyone! anteaya and corvus especially! | 19:14 |
| clarkb | I know we are still sorting out jobs so that they work properly | 19:14 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: thanks | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | sorry i was way out of this because of conference | 19:14 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: np | 19:14 |
| fungi | i went looking for further cleanup an hour ago and found one more to approve | 19:14 |
| anteaya | the jjb compare-xml merged I think | 19:14 |
| anteaya | fungi: oh? | 19:14 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: yes, it merged | 19:14 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: yay | 19:14 |
| fungi | but in general now we're just treating anything else outstanding as bugs and attacking as they crop up | 19:15 |
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| fungi | anteaya: your deletion change for layout-dev.yaml | 19:15 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:15 |
| anteaya | did that merge yet then? | 19:15 |
| fungi | i think so | 19:15 |
| clarkb | have a link or number? | 19:15 |
| anteaya | k, thanks | 19:15 |
| clarkb | oh if it merged then nevermind | 19:15 |
| clarkb | in any case point me at changes like that and I will happily prioritize them | 19:15 |
| fungi | same here | 19:15 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124898/ | 19:16 |
| anteaya | missed removing a file | 19:16 |
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| anteaya | but there were no updates to it recently, so I didn't have to backport any content with it | 19:16 |
| fungi | so anyway, next phase for this spec is the rename, right? | 19:16 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:16 |
| anteaya | shall we schedule that | 19:16 |
| clarkb | ya it will require gerrit downtime | 19:16 |
| fungi | is anyone already working on those bits or do we want to defer discussion to a later time? | 19:16 |
| anteaya | we can piggyback the stackforge renames | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I am not working on it | 19:17 |
| anteaya | I am not working on it | 19:17 |
| fungi | presumably we can take care of the outstanding stackforge project renames in te same window, assuming their changes are ready | 19:17 |
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| fungi | er, what anteaya said | 19:17 |
| anteaya | the changes are in project-config and look ready to me | 19:17 |
| anteaya | for stackforge | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | did someoen want to volunteer to start prepping changes for the system-cofnig rename? | 19:18 |
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| fungi | so next we need rename changes for openstack-infra/config or at least some digging to see how much will break when we do that | 19:18 |
| clarkb | there are probably quite a few locations that need to be renamed | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I don't know what to do to prepare | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I don't have a test env locally | 19:18 |
| fungi | i can take a stab at it | 19:18 |
| clarkb | anteaya: (and others) we will need a change to do a normal project rename | 19:18 |
| anteaya | that I can do | 19:18 |
| fungi | but if someone else wants to volunteer for it, all the better | 19:18 |
| clarkb | along with changes that update url paths everywhere that we clone openstack.org/openstack-infra/config | 19:18 |
| anteaya | but not the testing stuff, though I can review the testing stuff | 19:18 |
| fungi | thanks anteaya | 19:19 |
| clarkb | since we clone that path for image builds and puppet installs and so on | 19:19 |
| clarkb | anteaya: sounds good and thank you | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | kk | 19:19 |
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| fungi | #action anteaya take a stab at writing the openstack-infra/config rename changes | 19:19 |
| fungi | Nodepool DIB | 19:19 |
| fungi | what's the current state? | 19:20 |
| fungi | we have nodes now, right? | 19:20 |
| mordred | yay nodes! | 19:20 |
| clarkb | we do | 19:20 |
| fungi | and i think some tests got run on them and passed? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | and we have jobs under d-g experimental and they pass | 19:20 |
| fungi | what's the current situation in rax? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianw has written a nodepool patch that needs reviewing. It allows us to set image metadata when we upload images | 19:21 |
| clarkb | that patch allows us to set the things we need for rax | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | so I think what I would like to do is switch hpcloud-* devstack-trusty to run off of the dib image, then put the devstack-trusty-dib image in rax | 19:21 |
| clarkb | but we are in rc time so not sure how comfortable we are with that | 19:22 |
| * clarkb gets link to nodepool change | 19:22 | |
| fungi | have a link | 19:22 |
| fungi | ? | 19:22 |
| fungi | ianw_pto seems to be on vacation | 19:22 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123639/ | 19:22 |
| clarkb | ya he is out but I asked for the change to go up so that we can keep iterating | 19:23 |
| fungi | which i assume means i can also scratch his agenda items for today unless others are taking them on | 19:23 |
| clarkb | probably | 19:23 |
| clarkb | is there opposition to moving hpcloud devstack-trusty to the dib image because it is RC time? | 19:24 |
| mordred | I don't see any problem switching hpcloud over | 19:24 |
| mordred | if the tests are passing | 19:24 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya the mysql and postgres normal jobs are passing | 19:24 |
| mordred | like, I don't expect these nodes to all of a sudden be flaky | 19:24 |
| mordred | I expect them to diaf if we didn't get something installed right :) | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | good point | 19:24 |
| nibalizer | thats the golden image manifesto | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I will also be proposing devstack-precise-dib images asap | 19:25 |
| fungi | okay, awesome | 19:25 |
| fungi | any specific action items here or just revisit next week? | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | not really, I will keep at it as able and beg peopel for reviews :) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | but please review that nodepool change | 19:26 |
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| fungi | Docs publishing | 19:26 |
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| fungi | anything new on this?> | 19:26 |
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| mordred | I like publishing docs | 19:26 |
| * annegent_ sits on the edge of her seat | 19:26 | |
| clarkb | I think that is mostly needing humans to be thrown at it | 19:27 |
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| annegent_ | clarkb: they bounce you know | 19:27 |
| fungi | or raisinettes. those actually stick | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I want to work on this after devstack and system-config | 19:27 |
| clarkb | there is a spec though so volunteers can start throwing code up for that | 19:27 |
| anteaya | because I think I can do something here | 19:27 |
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| anteaya | but someone else is welcome to beat me to it since it is down my list | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/doc-publishing.html | 19:28 |
| annegent_ | I will share at Rackspace in case anyone is interested | 19:28 |
| fungi | okay, sounds like nothing new on this front yet. sorry to get your hopes up annegent_ | 19:28 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks, annegent_ and anteaya ! | 19:29 |
| annegent_ | fungi: no worries :) | 19:29 |
| fungi | annegent_: and thanks for the advertising ;) | 19:29 |
| fungi | Jobs on trusty | 19:29 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:29 |
| clarkb | still holding on new py34 ya? | 19:30 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:30 |
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| fungi | and there are a few projects down at the bottom of that etherpad which still need investigating | 19:30 |
| fungi | anyone with some spare cycles who wants to debug random projects, try cloning those and running their py34 tox envs | 19:30 |
| fungi | on a generic ubuntu trusty box | 19:30 |
| fungi | but we can't cut over until at least the backport in 1367907 is addressed | 19:31 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367907 | 19:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367907 in python3.4 "Segfault in gc with cyclic trash" [High,In progress] | 19:31 |
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| fungi | okay, that covers the priority efforts | 19:32 |
| fungi | #topic Call for help: lists.o.o and wiki.o.o (reed) | 19:32 |
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| fungi | just a quick heads up that our community volunteer admins who were taking care of projects related to lists.openstack.org and wiki.openstack.org haven't been around much lately | 19:32 |
| fungi | we have a few outstanding bugs for them which could use some attention if there are mediawiki or mailman experienced people with free time to devote | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254911 | 19:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254911 in openstack-ci "UniversalLanguageSelector breaks wiki skin" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:33 |
| clarkb | I wonder if hashar has interest in the mediawiki things? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | maybe we can draft hashar into doing that :P | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339284 | 19:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1339284 in openstack-ci "Import mailman archive for General list" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182690 | 19:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1182690 in openstack-ci "Add mailman templates in other languages" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:34 |
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| fungi | and yeah, maybe we can shanghai him with our press gang when we find him in paris ;) | 19:34 |
| fungi | #topic Fedora/Centos testing updates (ianw) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | looks like the change for "Initial centos7 support for build-image.sh" conflicted with the project-config split and got abandoned | 19:35 |
| fungi | not sure if it's been reproposed to project-config yet | 19:35 |
| anteaya | I haven't seen it | 19:35 |
| fungi | with ianw_pto on vacation, we can probably defer discussion to next week | 19:35 |
| fungi | #topic Log Download (ianw) | 19:35 |
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| fungi | looks like he had a review for "Add ability to download log bundles" he also wanted to discuss | 19:36 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/122615 | 19:36 |
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| fungi | so we can defer that discussion to next time he's around as well | 19:36 |
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| fungi | #topic Publish devstack.org content under infra (anteaya) | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | I'm wrong | 19:36 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124256/ | 19:36 |
| AJaeger_ | fungi, it was reproposed | 19:36 |
| fungi | anteaya: defer while we work on my failure to execute? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:37 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: anteaya: thanks | 19:37 |
| fungi | #topic StoryBoard Migration (krotscheck) | 19:37 |
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| krotscheck | Wooo! | 19:37 |
| fungi | take it away, krotscheck | 19:37 |
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| hashar | clarkb: unlikely :/ | 19:37 |
| krotscheck | So, issues raised in the meeting last week have been addressed. | 19:37 |
| krotscheck | The list of commands that need to be run are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-storyboard-migration | 19:37 |
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| krotscheck | The outstanding issue is that we don’t have full infra features ready yet. | 19:37 |
| hashar | clarkb: but I will be happy to relay your MediaWiki related issues to our community. | 19:38 |
| anteaya | hashar: thanks, that works | 19:38 |
| krotscheck | So that’s my update, and I’ll be actively pestering all of you over the next few weeks as we get those features polished. | 19:38 |
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| krotscheck | A discussion on whether y’all want to do a test migration of one of the projects before throwing the big switch might be good. | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | krotscheck: full infra features? | 19:39 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-storyboard-migration | 19:39 |
| krotscheck | clarkb: The version 1.1 features agreed to in Atlanta. Outstanding is Project Groups, Emails, Subscriptions. | 19:39 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 19:39 |
| krotscheck | clarkb: Oh, and tags. | 19:40 |
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| krotscheck | The active list is in our meeting notes, here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 19:40 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:40 |
| * krotscheck is done | 19:40 | |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 19:40 |
| krotscheck | Unless anyone has questions. | 19:40 |
| fungi | no questions from me. did we need to discuss migration timeline now or wait a week? | 19:41 |
| mordred | I mean, I'm keen to just do it even without all of those things | 19:41 |
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| mordred | but people should maybe ignore me | 19:42 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya part of me thinks that may help snowball the process | 19:42 |
| clarkb | mordred: but those features sound usefull too :) | 19:42 |
| fungi | we could just migrate everything while jeblair's away, to keep him on his toes | 19:42 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:42 |
| anteaya | that makes him happy | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:42 |
| krotscheck | Hey, I’m just building the tools. Using them for good or ill is up to you crazy people :D | 19:42 |
| mordred | he has to be expecting SOMETHING big | 19:42 |
| * krotscheck suggests a vote :D | 19:42 | |
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| fungi | #vote Migrate any infra project bugs to Storyboard this week? none, some, zomgeverything | 19:43 |
| fungi | er, i always forget the syntax | 19:44 |
| anteaya | #vote some | 19:44 |
| clarkb | you want startvote | 19:44 |
| fungi | #startvote Migrate any infra project bugs to Storyboard this week? none, some, zomgeverything | 19:44 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Migrate any infra project bugs to Storyboard this week? Valid vote options are none, some, zomgeverything. | 19:44 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | #vote some | 19:44 |
| * AJaeger_ abstains | 19:44 | |
| fungi | yeah, just found our documentation ;) | 19:44 |
| fungi | #vote none | 19:45 |
| * krotscheck none | 19:45 | |
| * nibalizer abstains | 19:45 | |
| krotscheck | #vote none | 19:45 |
| fungi | i'd like to see how much further the featureset comes first | 19:45 |
| krotscheck | The world won’t end if we wait a week. | 19:45 |
| clarkb | #vote none | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | #vote none | 19:45 |
| clarkb | you guys have convinced me | 19:45 |
| * anteaya is out on the cliff dancing alone | 19:45 | |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: very brave spot :) | 19:46 |
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| anteaya | and a fool sometimes too | 19:46 |
| anteaya | but the view is awesome | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | I know jeblair wants them mvoed soon, another bug day with lp might kill him | 19:46 |
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| anteaya | we could vote on which thing jeblair would hate more | 19:46 |
| fungi | last call | 19:47 |
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| mordred | #vote zomgeverything | 19:47 |
| mordred | just for completeness | 19:47 |
| lifeless | #vote vote | 19:47 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:47 |
| openstack | lifeless: vote is not a valid option. Valid options are none, some, zomgeverything. | 19:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote none | 19:47 |
| krotscheck | Oh, forget it. | 19:47 |
| * anteaya sees mordred far ahead in the distance, dancing on clouds | 19:47 | |
| krotscheck | #vote zomgeverything | 19:47 |
| krotscheck | Because, really, what could possibly go wrong. | 19:47 |
| mordred | BOOM! | 19:47 |
| krotscheck | (tm) | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #endvote | 19:47 |
| openstack | Voted on "Migrate any infra project bugs to Storyboard this week?" Results are | 19:47 |
| openstack | zomgeverything (2): mordred, krotscheck | 19:47 |
| openstack | none (4): SergeyLukjanov, pleia2, fungi, clarkb | 19:47 |
| openstack | some (1): anteaya | 19:48 |
| anteaya | SergeyLukjanov is here? | 19:48 |
| anteaya | there you are | 19:48 |
| fungi | okay, so let's revisit next week and see if we think we have cycles to give it a shot | 19:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anteaya, yup, trying to be here | 19:48 |
| anteaya | cool | 19:48 |
| fungi | #topic Havana EOL (fungi) | 19:48 |
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| anteaya | yay | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | nice work fungi \o/ | 19:49 |
| AJaeger_ | indeed | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:49 |
| fungi | pubic service announcement: havana is dead | 19:49 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2014-September/000286.html | 19:49 |
| mordred | yay!!! | 19:49 |
| fungi | keep an eye out for any unanticipated breakage, but i plan to delete the stable/havana branches of official projects listed in that announcement later today | 19:50 |
| anteaya | cool | 19:50 |
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| fungi | i'm thinking we might want to defer cleanup of devstack/grenade/devstack-gate until we're ready to add juno to them. otherwise we lose some (particularly grenade-specific) logic in the scripts | 19:50 |
| anteaya | agreed | 19:51 |
| fungi | but the jobs are no longer running and have been removed from our configuration | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #topic How should 3rd party ci leverage new project-config? fork? branch? don't directly, just as reference? (asselin, 2nd half of meeting) | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | asselin: you here? | 19:51 |
| asselin | Hi, that's my question | 19:51 |
| fungi | asselin: you don't have much time left, but you're welcome to 8 minutes anyway ;) | 19:51 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:51 |
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| krtaylor | go asselin ! | 19:51 |
| asselin | so I'm looking at project-config, and not sure how best to leverage for third party ci | 19:52 |
| mordred | asselin: which sorts of things do you think make sense for you in 3rd party land? jjb templates? | 19:52 |
| asselin | fork it? create my own branch to store my 'private' jobs, or ?? | 19:52 |
| mordred | like, are you wanting all of the infra jobs plus some jobs of your own? | 19:53 |
| * mordred wants to understand which pieces are compelling to leverage | 19:53 | |
| asselin | honestly, I was hoping to see if I can use project-config as a template to hook into the rest of the infra-config. i.e. to help setup zuul, nodepool, etc. | 19:53 |
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| asselin | sot he piece is really the layout, and maybe some of the scripts. | 19:54 |
| mordred | gotcha. | 19:54 |
| nibalizer | asselin: are you also running the openstack jobs, or totally your own tests? | 19:54 |
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| adalbas | asselin. i had a similar impression | 19:54 |
| asselin | basically my own (copied and modified from openstack) | 19:54 |
| mordred | I wonder if having a third-party-project-config repo which contains stuff that third parties would want makes sense | 19:55 |
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| fungi | i think maintaining a (very loose) fork is probably going to work best. the codiest bits are the nodepool prep scripts, dib elements, and jenkins slave scripts. maybe also some job definitions/templates/macros | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | mordred: it does to me | 19:55 |
| adalbas | mordred, i think it would | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | I spoke with hogepodge last week and he said he was interested in making things more consumable for third party ci folks | 19:55 |
| anteaya | can we fork it into a third party config repo | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | I can follow up with him to help out | 19:55 |
| anteaya | it would help give a single point of focus | 19:56 |
| fungi | i need to convince hogepodge to lurk in all the channels, now that he's at the foundation | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: yeah | 19:56 |
| anteaya | folks are trying hard to do the right thing | 19:56 |
| krtaylor | we discussed that a few weeks ago ++ from me | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, he's in -infra but not here :) | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | they just get conflicting advice on what that is | 19:56 |
| adalbas | anteaya, one point i have is that sometimes we need a hybrid of both upstream and our own scripts | 19:56 |
| anteaya | so having one repo would really help everyone | 19:56 |
| adalbas | so we would need both repositories, not only a fork | 19:57 |
| anteaya | we need a place to hook in then | 19:57 |
| wenlock | on forj redstone, general use scripts would certainly be allot better to maintain , +1 for that | 19:57 |
| anteaya | so you can use your own scripts | 19:57 |
| anteaya | "your scripts go here" | 19:57 |
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| nibalizer | so my plan for doing that in our 3rd party, is to build a tool that consumes the upstream layout.yaml, our private layout.yaml and generates the combination of both | 19:57 |
| mordred | ooh. tools! | 19:57 |
| adalbas | anteaya, that could work. or some way to also "override" one of the existing scripts | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | but i haven't done any of that yet so its just a plan | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | adalbas: right | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | to minimize the need to fork | 19:58 |
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| asselin | yes, override is a good word... | 19:58 |
| anteaya | and just use the thing, because the thing is designed for you to use | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | the way you override things is by passing ina different project-cofnig repo | 19:58 |
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| asselin | clarkb, right...so what's the best way to create your own project-config repo? | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | almost at time | 19:59 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:59 |
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| krtaylor | but we want to stay as close to upstream as possible, a new repo becomes a problem | 19:59 |
| anteaya | so maybe go around again | 19:59 |
| asselin | ok, seems there's no answer, so I'll play around with it a bit. | 19:59 |
| fungi | we can continue this in #openstack-infra, as usual | 19:59 |
| anteaya | since I sense agreement in principle | 19:59 |
| clarkb | the project-config split was done to facilitate all of this. all you should need to do is put your additional/different scripts in a repo that looks like project-config | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everybody! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 20:00:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-30-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-30-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-30-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks, fungi for chairing! | 20:00 |
| fungi | all yours, ttx | 20:00 |
| ttx | Alright. Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
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| ttx | russellb, markmc, annegentle, mikal, mordred, devananda, vishy, markmcclain, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann : around ? | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
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| markmc | yep | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
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| vishy | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
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| markmc | russellb is unexpectedly in transit, he'll join in a bit | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| * fungi lurks more actively than usual, with jeblair out | 20:01 | |
| ttx | that makes 7, we can start | 20:01 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 20:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | This is the last meeting for the Juno membership, unless we decide to meet during election season | 20:02 |
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| ttx | (We'll discuss that in Open Discussion at the end of this meeting.) | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Recommendation to Adopt DCO as CLA | 20:02 |
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| ttx | jeblair is proxied by mordred | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/120260 | 20:02 |
| mordred | jeblair is in favor of this | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Last time I looked it was still missing a few votes | 20:02 |
| * devananda reads | 20:03 | |
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| annegentle | sorry I'm late | 20:03 |
| mordred | oops. I forgot to actually vote before | 20:03 |
| sdague | ttx: it has 7 votes | 20:03 |
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| ttx | ok, I'll let a few more minutes anc collect it at the end of the meeting | 20:03 |
| zaro | jesusaurus: for python 3 support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118703/ | 20:04 |
| ttx | any comment on that before we move to next topic ? | 20:04 |
| jesusaurus | zaro: thanks | 20:04 |
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| markmc | ttx, yeah, we want this on the agenda for joint meeting in Paris, I assume | 20:04 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to propose the DCO resolution as part of the agenda for joint TC/Board meeting in Paris | 20:05 |
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| sdague | +1 | 20:05 |
| markmc | thanks | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Add a docs environment to the testing interface | 20:05 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/119875 | 20:05 |
| ttx | Feels like jeblair has a pretty valid objection there | 20:05 |
| ttx | mordred: let's see if you can impersonate both +1 and -1 here | 20:05 |
| annegentle | so I do understand jeblair's concern | 20:06 |
| annegentle | oh yes let's let mordred represent :) | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | any steps we want to automate through the tox.ini can be automated directly inside of sphinx, too | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | doc8 could be a sphinx extension | 20:06 |
| ttx | Feels like we don't have a winner here | 20:07 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I suppose, we have a lot of entry points for people | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, as a usability thing I like having docs, but we could also let infra keep building docs using the venv entry point | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: my point is, we can have both of the things we want if we do them carefully | 20:08 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | mordred: so this neds more work ? | 20:08 |
| ttx | needs* | 20:08 |
| mordred | I think dhellman just said what jeblair was trying to get at | 20:08 |
| mordred | I think so | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | I'll leave a comment on the patch | 20:09 |
| ttx | ok, maybe we can skip this, then | 20:09 |
| mordred | the concern is that we make setup.py build_sphinx not actually able to do its job | 20:09 |
| ttx | and worflow-1 it | 20:09 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:09 |
| sdague | yeh, I left my comments | 20:09 |
| ttx | moving to next topic ? | 20:09 |
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| sdague | ttx: go for it | 20:09 |
| ttx | just approved the dco resolution | 20:10 |
| ttx | (10 yes) | 20:10 |
| ttx | #topic Remove support for specific public cloud implementations from our code | 20:10 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 20:10 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/122968 | 20:10 |
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| mordred | I need to rewrite this, sorry | 20:10 |
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| ttx | Right... at the very least, would need to stop mentioning Rackspace explicitely, if only so that the same rule can apply to others in the future. | 20:10 |
| mordred | I apologize for my tone and wording | 20:10 |
| sdague | I agree with jaypipes and markmc, concept ok, wording harsh | 20:10 |
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| mordred | yah. I was pissed of that python*clients were not working for simple tasks | 20:11 |
| mordred | s/of/off/ | 20:11 |
| mordred | but I'll fix that | 20:11 |
| ttx | when mordred is pissed, he posts a governance patch. When he is happy, he does a blogpost | 20:11 |
| mordred | :) | 20:11 |
| sdague | heh | 20:11 |
| zaneb | mordred: can we have some specifics about which projects are affected? | 20:11 |
| mordred | unless we feel the underlying idea needs discussion? | 20:11 |
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| sdague | on a saturday afternoon non the less | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | are we asking projects to remove the code, or suggesting that is' ok? | 20:12 |
| zaneb | mordred: I feel like the Heat ones at least need to be looked at case-by-case | 20:12 |
| zaneb | it's not clear if there are others also | 20:12 |
| mordred | zaneb: I agree - I think you made excellent points | 20:12 |
| ttx | mordred: there is lack of consensus on whether we should force, ask, or advise removal of implementation -specific code | 20:12 |
| mordred | the patches that set that off were docs entries describing HP and Rackspace API extensions | 20:12 |
| mordred | I feel that those should just flat be disallowed - and the equivilent code as well | 20:12 |
| annegentle | mordred: I did approve the extension removal from the docs, as it reduces our scope | 20:12 |
| mordred | such as python-*client support for rax_auth, as an example | 20:13 |
| mordred | but that may just be me | 20:13 |
| annegentle | mordred: but the original vision was a shared extension place that anyone could come and get extensions from and re-use in their own implementation | 20:13 |
| annegentle | so it's a little tricky | 20:13 |
| sdague | so, honestly, I think advise remove is appropriate | 20:13 |
| mordred | well, the shared extensions ARE in bounds | 20:13 |
| annegentle | how do we enable the original vision (make cool extensions that eventually become core) | 20:13 |
| mordred | like floating-ip | 20:13 |
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| mordred | when the extension is named EXT-HP it's clearly not a shared extension | 20:13 |
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| sdague | annegentle: so, realistically, I think the extension story is going to change from the original vision | 20:14 |
| mordred | it's an HP product thing | 20:14 |
| annegentle | mordred: right, I'm well aware of that | 20:14 |
| sdague | but that's longer term evolution | 20:14 |
| annegentle | mordred: just also making sure the original vision is understood by the tc | 20:14 |
| sdague | because that's actually a huge interop issue | 20:14 |
| mordred | annegentle: nod | 20:14 |
| mordred | sdague: advise remove sounds good to me | 20:14 |
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| mordred | sdague: because zaneb has some excellent points about some times when it makes life easier for heat devs themselves to carry some things | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: ok, you can work on a new version based on that ? | 20:15 |
| mordred | ttx: I will | 20:15 |
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| ttx | other comment on that before we move on ? | 20:15 |
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| mordred | but I don't like seeing things like workarounds for product decisions, tbh | 20:15 |
| zaneb | iirc one time Keystone added a feature for Heat and it was called EXT-RHAT or something for a while (it was changed to EXT-OS) | 20:16 |
| zaneb | so the extension name may not always be a reliable guide | 20:16 |
| annegentle | true zaneb | 20:16 |
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| mordred | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/contrib/rackspace/rackspace/clients.py#n176 | 20:17 |
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| mordred | is the type of thing that makes my blood boil | 20:17 |
| mordred | the comment there | 20:17 |
| mordred | because a vendor choses to not list swift in thier keystone catalog (which is a pain point for users, btw) - we have code in an openstack repo to work around it. | 20:18 |
| russellb | zaneb: but that extension was not red hat specific at all, it was just an absolutely horrible name | 20:18 |
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| ttx | I agree that doesn't sound like the best to encourage them to stop their insanity | 20:18 |
| zaneb | russellb: agreed, and I was glad it changed | 20:18 |
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| russellb | "name the extension after the company that employs the developer" was the scheme iirc | 20:18 |
| zaneb | russellb: but the name reflected an understanding of policy that at least some people had at one time | 20:18 |
| russellb | yep, no idea how wide that applies, but i do recall that specific case | 20:19 |
| mordred | yup. my punative tone aside, I really am more interested in communicating what we think should be happening in a productive way moving forward | 20:19 |
| * mordred wears shame hat | 20:19 | |
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| russellb | a less-ragey "don't do product/vendor specific API stuff" sounds fine :) | 20:20 |
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| Guest43089 | less rage, mo bettah | 20:20 |
| Guest43089 | gah | 20:20 |
| ttx | mordred: proxying jeblair changed you. You seem all reasonable | 20:20 |
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| mordred | ttx: I'm wearing a hat and slacks too | 20:20 |
| markmcclain | haha | 20:20 |
| annegentle_ | pants? what? | 20:20 |
| ttx | now I wonder who is proxying who. | 20:21 |
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| annegentle_ | ha ha ha | 20:21 |
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| rockyg | more like channelling | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:21 |
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| zaneb | mordred: fwiw I think the client plugin specifically could be moved out of tree with probably no ill effects | 20:21 |
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| ttx | * Add tripleo-puppet-elements in programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/123826) | 20:21 |
| ttx | I'd like to have the former/future TripleO PTL ack on that one | 20:21 |
| mikal | ttx: you saw his email saying he's AWOL? | 20:22 |
| ttx | lifeless: a comment there saying you want it would be nice, before you step down if possible. | 20:22 |
| ttx | mikal: I may have missed that | 20:22 |
| mordred | ttx: both? or you want SpamapS and slagle to both ack? | 20:22 |
| devananda | SpamapS: ^ ? | 20:22 |
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| mikal | I have had an unexpected family matter turn up, and may be absent at | 20:22 |
| mikal | fairly arbitrary points for a couple weeks while we deal with the | 20:22 |
| mikal | fallout. | 20:22 |
| mikal | I've asked Clint to wear my PTL hat between now and the 3rd when | 20:22 |
| mikal | voting closes and we find out whether he or James are the new PTL. | 20:22 |
| mikal | He has my real world contact details should something urgent which | 20:22 |
| mikal | only I can do [there should be no such things] turn up. | 20:22 |
| mikal | ^-- Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] PTL leave of absence | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | commented | 20:23 |
| ttx | lifeless: thx! | 20:23 |
| russellb | nice! | 20:23 |
| mordred | oh look. a lifeless | 20:23 |
| ttx | will approve asap | 20:23 |
| mikal | lifeless: you do absent poorly | 20:23 |
| ttx | like.. now | 20:23 |
| lifeless | mikal: and arbitrary points | 20:24 |
| ttx | * Add python-keystoneclient-federation to the Identity program (https://review.openstack.org/123786) | 20:24 |
| lifeless | mikal: s/and/at/ | 20:24 |
| ttx | This one is proposed by Morgan, so I'll approve it unless someone complains really soon | 20:24 |
| ttx | * Add two new repos to infra program (https://review.openstack.org/124238) | 20:24 |
| ttx | This one is proposed by Jim, so I'll approve it unless someone complains really soon | 20:24 |
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| sdague | yeh, these are seem procedural | 20:24 |
| ttx | ok, that leaves plenty of time for an interesting open discussion | 20:25 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:25 |
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| ttx | I doubt you missed it, but we are having a big discussion on structural changes around the integrated release / incubation / ecosystem concepts | 20:25 |
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| ttx | Mostly kicked off by mordred's "Layer #1 and the big tent" blogpost | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | are we publishing the governance repo docs anywhere yet? | 20:25 |
| ttx | We have a number of discussions that were shelved as a result, as they only make sense within the current structure: | 20:25 |
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| ttx | - Deeper dive into Swift "differences" and which ones we should try to reduce | 20:25 |
| ttx | - The Kilo plan for Zaqar | 20:25 |
| russellb | lots of talking ... i think we need to move to concrete proposals | 20:25 |
| russellb | to make sure we're all talking about the same things | 20:26 |
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| ttx | Both don't really make sense in a world where Swift/Zaqar would not be part of the layer #1 | 20:26 |
| ttx | So we should have that discussion first | 20:26 |
| annegentle_ | oh I must thank vishy and ttx for standing up for docs... I haven't been able to formulate enough thoughts on that thread to reply | 20:26 |
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| ttx | Other questions we need to solve during the next 30 minutes: | 20:26 |
| ttx | should we meet over the next 2 weeks (TC election season) ? | 20:26 |
| mikal | I personally think Swift should be in layer 1 | 20:26 |
| ttx | should we organize a TC dinner ? | 20:26 |
| mikal | Just to make this discussion more interesting | 20:26 |
| ttx | Who would like to write up the final "Technical Committee Update" ? | 20:27 |
| russellb | i'd like a more formal proposal for what layer #1 even means | 20:27 |
| mordred | so - I believe there is no way to actually have that discussion in 30 minutes | 20:27 |
| mordred | I agree with russel | 20:27 |
| russellb | mordred: ++ | 20:27 |
| mikal | I wrote yet another blog post on this topic yesterday, but hven't hit publish yet | 20:27 |
| markmc | definitely should make sure a question on this debate is in the TC candidate election question thing | 20:27 |
| anteaya | two lls in russell | 20:27 |
| mordred | I've been holdin off on submitting governance changes to discuss - mainly because i don't know if we're going to take lame-duck action or not | 20:27 |
| mikal | To be honest I don't think layers guide us in what to exclude or not | 20:27 |
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| markmc | would be good to see something like http://blogs.gnome.org/markmc/2013/10/18/a-new-openstack-technical-committee/ again | 20:27 |
| zaneb | mikal: +1. if we have Layer 1 it should be Swift, Zaqar, Nova; Layer 1.5 anything needed to make those work | 20:27 |
| zaneb | Layer 0: Keystone | 20:27 |
| mikal | But they do help us break the ecosystem into more managable chunks | 20:27 |
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| mordred | so to me we need to decide if we're going to do something now or wait until next TC | 20:28 |
| mordred | before any further anything makes sense | 20:28 |
| anteaya | markmc: the tc questions have been published | 20:28 |
| devananda | as far as wording, I would suggest s/layers/rings/ | 20:28 |
| russellb | it's the next TC's baby IMO | 20:28 |
| markmc | anteaya, doh | 20:28 |
| russellb | doesn't mean we can't start on formalizing a proposal to talk around now though | 20:28 |
| markmc | anteaya, thanks, and sorry | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: where are those? | 20:28 |
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| ttx | next TC baby, agreed | 20:28 |
| devananda | ttx: ++ | 20:28 |
| anteaya | markmc: i purposely didn't include questions on this topic since the discussion is so active on the ml | 20:28 |
| ttx | it's actually quite great to have an election with the question already on the table. | 20:28 |
| anteaya | markmc: but any candidate can say whatever they wish in their platform | 20:28 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: on the wikipage I linked last week and will link again | 20:29 |
| jogo | thoughts on dealing with some of the testing changes before the layer issue? | 20:29 |
| mordred | zaneb: you and I have VERY different ideas about layer 1, btw | 20:29 |
| mordred | :) | 20:29 |
| zaneb | mordred: yes, I know :) | 20:29 |
| sdague | jogo: they are realistically kind of linked | 20:29 |
| devananda | while I think we could field some proposals before the summit, I question whether we will collectively be able to address them without the in person discussions that wil happen there | 20:29 |
| mordred | zaneb: swift and zaqar are advanced services for people who are super cloud saavy | 20:29 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_October_2014#TC_Election_Questions | 20:29 |
| anteaya | markmc: no problem | 20:29 |
| zaneb | mordred: tell that to SwiftStack | 20:29 |
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| sdague | because whatever is in the base is by definition tightly coupled | 20:29 |
| jogo | sdague: but there are definitely testing changes that can be made before any layer changes | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: thanks | 20:29 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: np | 20:29 |
| vishy | I move that any proposal starts with “Whereas…" | 20:30 |
| jogo | and I don't think we can wait on some of the testing issues | 20:30 |
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| sdague | vishy: ++ | 20:30 |
| ttx | One thing we could want to discuss during next two weeks is the final state for Juno gap coverage plans | 20:30 |
| ttx | since we didn't really close them yet | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | vishy: we save those for communicating with the board | 20:30 |
| sdague | ttx: so it seems like about 4 conversation topics all got put out here in the last 4 minutes | 20:30 |
| devananda | sdague: I would be thrilled to see the two-project gating changes start being implemented sooner | 20:30 |
| sdague | which one are we actually trying to ahve | 20:30 |
| devananda | rather than later | 20:30 |
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| vishy | I think there has been pretty strong consensus on one of the topics | 20:30 |
| vishy | which is to break up the integrated gate into functional testing scenarios | 20:31 |
| vishy | and not cross gate everything on everything | 20:31 |
| markmcclain | ttx: +1 for final gap plans being discussed because that is still a function of this term's TC | 20:31 |
| ttx | sdague: hmm, let's have a ring0/layer1 discussion first | 20:31 |
| mordred | right. the main disagrement is how much stuff to cross-gate on | 20:31 |
| sdague | vishy: yeh, and I honestly think you summed up that bit pretty well | 20:31 |
| zaneb | vishy: +1, and also pretty strong consensus for enlarging the tent, I think | 20:31 |
| ttx | and discuss need for meeting after | 20:31 |
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| jogo | devananda vishy: we can take other small steps such as: not running tempest on unit test only changes | 20:32 |
| mordred | jogo: we can? | 20:32 |
| annegentle_ | I really like the functional testing scenarios and I can see doing some info architecture around that as well | 20:32 |
| jogo | mordred: that wouldn't impact any big tent debate would it? (we can politically that is) | 20:32 |
| mordred | jogo: physically | 20:32 |
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| mordred | just for the record, I'm very uncomfortable talking about anything that reaches into mechanics of test running without jeblair present | 20:33 |
| vishy | mordred: do you think the cross-gating projects need to be selected by the tc? or can the projects themselves choose when to co-gate? | 20:33 |
| devananda | vishy: self-selecting, IMO | 20:33 |
| mordred | I disagree | 20:33 |
| devananda | :) | 20:33 |
| markmc | vishy, nice distinction | 20:33 |
| devananda | mordred: outside of "ring 0"? | 20:33 |
| annegentle_ | vishy: mordred: functional tests would dictate | 20:33 |
| mordred | I think that the functional test cross-gating is a project choice | 20:33 |
| sdague | I think that's the definition of ring 0 realistly | 20:34 |
| mordred | if tehre is a ring0/layer1, I think that is a tc call | 20:34 |
| mordred | that thing could not exist | 20:34 |
| devananda | right | 20:34 |
| mordred | or could be the current integrated release | 20:34 |
| sdague | that the tc dictates ring 0 testing policy | 20:34 |
| mordred | or could be a subset | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to see us just have groups of co-gated projects, and not treat any group as special | 20:34 |
| sdague | beyond that projects pick | 20:34 |
| vishy | ok so our definition of ring0 would be that these are the things that must test together? | 20:34 |
| annegentle_ | (and not cross-doc everything) | 20:34 |
| vishy | dhellmann: ++ | 20:34 |
| devananda | I think the TC needs to all agree on what "ring0" is, and taht needs to all cogate. beyond that, I think tprojects need to mutually agree,a nd the TC should not have to step in | 20:34 |
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| mordred | I do not believe that vastly increased project autonomy is likely to help achieve any goals we have | 20:34 |
| mikal | dhellmann: agreed | 20:34 |
| sdague | dhellmann / mikal / vishy: so that | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | mordred: I don't either, but you started this :-) | 20:35 |
| mordred | so, I do not believe that letting ring 0 emerge from project choices is likely to happen | 20:35 |
| sdague | that's this "nice idea" | 20:35 |
| annegentle_ | problem with a large expansive ring0 is the functions aren't for everyone all the time (well, nothing is really) | 20:35 |
| jogo | I am interested in seeing a new testing policy for our existing definition of OpenStack, as a testing policy is easy to revert but the large tent thing not so much | 20:35 |
| sdague | but as someone who's had to chase after that implementation, it's a disaster | 20:35 |
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| zaneb | mordred: for everything, or just ring 0? because your proposal sounds like a free-for-all for everyone outside of ring 0 | 20:35 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: boy I feel for you. | 20:35 |
| sdague | and very few people that are proposing *all in* help at all on that | 20:35 |
| ttx | I like that ring0 is a static set. i like that it is usercase driven. | 20:35 |
| jogo | and I assume getting the mechanics of the large tent just right will take time | 20:35 |
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| devananda | vishy: yes. ring0 == must be tested together. that's one of the requirements of it IMO, but not the driving reason to put those projects together | 20:36 |
| ttx | I think multiple rings would just perpetuate the badge-granting role of the TC | 20:36 |
| mordred | right - and while I agree with jogo that I'd like to see some changes made in how we test, I dont know of a specific change that makes sense that doesn't involve an implicit description of a ring 0 | 20:36 |
| zaneb | ttx: I don't like anything static. static = give up trying to respond to change | 20:36 |
| anteaya | sdague: ++ | 20:36 |
| ttx | zaneb: how about "essentially static" ? We are not committing to never ever change. Who knows who will be on the TC next year. | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | we're committing to not have a process to respond to change, AIUI | 20:37 |
| jogo | mordred: if we can't improve our testing policy soon I fear it will be a big impediment for kilo Development | 20:37 |
| ttx | I've seen quite a few things change over the last 4 years, trust me. And a lot where seen as definitive choices when they were made | 20:38 |
| mordred | jogo: I disagree | 20:38 |
| mordred | jogo: I think it's important | 20:38 |
| mordred | but we did just have the smoothest freeze we've had in quite a while | 20:38 |
| annegentle_ | ttx: heh on "seen as definitive" | 20:38 |
| anteaya | we did | 20:38 |
| jogo | mordred: whats important? the large tent debate? | 20:38 |
| mordred | jogo: nope | 20:38 |
| ttx | zaneb: if it works, it should stay static. If it fails, we'll change again | 20:38 |
| jogo | mordred: that is relative | 20:38 |
| mordred | jogo: what change would you make that wouldn't implicitly define a ring0 ? | 20:39 |
| jogo | mordred: in nova we use recheck on over 60% of patch revisions | 20:39 |
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| mordred | jogo: then you should make some functional tests in nova | 20:39 |
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| sdague | mordred: or in neutron | 20:39 |
| mordred | or everywhere | 20:39 |
| sdague | yep | 20:39 |
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| mordred | that's not a policy that needs any help | 20:39 |
| mordred | it just needs to be done | 20:39 |
| anteaya | jogo: have you isolated how much of that is build issues and how much is dev poor habits? | 20:39 |
| markmcclain | sdague: expect more in kilo for neutron | 20:39 |
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| ttx | We have a few other questions to cover, and there is no way we can conclude this discussion, so I'll timebox it to 5 more minutes. | 20:40 |
| vishy | mordred: Our problems are not around freezes | 20:40 |
| vishy | they are around code contributions | 20:40 |
| zaneb | mordred: for once we agree ;) | 20:40 |
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| jogo | mordred: not run devstack on unit test changes is one. we have an implicit ring0 - integrated release | 20:40 |
| vishy | I’m not sure if people realize how incredibly painful it is for (even experienced openstack) devs to contribute | 20:40 |
| jogo | anteaya: I have isolated it. most is build issues | 20:40 |
| mordred | vishy: I do - but what can we approve here in the TC today that will make a marked difference before we get together with a new TC to discuss rings and tents? | 20:40 |
| vishy | I think the only reason we have any contributions at all is because people are getting paid to work on this stuff | 20:40 |
| jogo | anteaya: vast majority | 20:41 |
| clarkb | jogo: I don't think you can make a promise that code in a repo changing won't break integration | 20:41 |
| mordred | vishy: well, I think that has always and will always be the case, tbh | 20:41 |
| anteaya | jogo: great, I look forward to your numbers after the meeting | 20:41 |
| clarkb | jogo: its all arbitrary and you enforce that with tests | 20:41 |
| devananda | mordred: nothing. i think we have to discuss this f2f to get anywhere with it | 20:41 |
| clarkb | jogo: so skipping specific tests because $specificfile changes seems risky to me | 20:41 |
| mordred | btw - our unaffiliated numbers are at the highest they've ever been this cycle - so SOMEHOW we're picking up more people who aren't fulltime openstack devs | 20:41 |
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| jogo | clarkb: if a unit test change breaks devstack, we have much bigger issues | 20:41 |
| clarkb | jogo: hackin is the perfect example fwiw | 20:42 |
| vishy | i do agree that if we are going to discuss this in person, we should have some concrete proposals on the table | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | devananda: are we planning a f2f tc meeting in paris? I suppose that would be up to the new tc | 20:42 |
| clarkb | jogo: unittests are code, that may be consumed | 20:42 |
| zaneb | vishy: the hobbyist developer is honestly not a particularly important market for OpenStack | 20:42 |
| sdague | yeh, I would agree developer contribution has more friction than it should, but I don't think that's the biggest issue | 20:42 |
| * mordred will make his blog post into governance patches | 20:42 | |
| mordred | before paris | 20:42 |
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| mordred | and will make sure they are concrete | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | zaneb: I could see that class of developer contributing to oslo | 20:42 |
| annegentle_ | sorry all have to head to an appt. but will catch up in minutes | 20:42 |
| sdague | zaneb: it's not the hobbiest dev, it's the IT person at a college | 20:42 |
| sdague | that is going to be doing this only on their own time | 20:43 |
| devananda | dhellmann: i'm not yet aware of one. but I thnk that is the best thing we can do: come up with concrete proposals and discuss in paris | 20:43 |
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| jogo | clarkb: but shouldn't be in devstack | 20:43 |
| mordred | devananda: ++ | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ++ | 20:43 |
| ttx | yes | 20:43 |
| markmcclain | devananda: ++ | 20:43 |
| ttx | and wine | 20:43 |
| vishy | sdague, zaneb: it is also developer retention | 20:43 |
| sdague | that person is basically completely scared away from openstack | 20:43 |
| devananda | mordred: I also think we need to change the terms so that they dno't appear to be "in or out" | 20:43 |
| clarkb | jogo: maybe not devstack but definitely tempest | 20:43 |
| vishy | most former openstack dev’s will not touch it with a 10-foot pole | 20:43 |
| sdague | because there are so many moving parts | 20:43 |
| vishy | and that is sad | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | jogo: or other testing toolin | 20:43 |
| sdague | vishy: yeh, agreed. | 20:43 |
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| jogo | clarkb: so maybe we need a little bit more 'API' contract documentation around these things | 20:44 |
| devananda | mordred: dhellmann: i'm happy to work with you (or anyone) on said proposals | 20:44 |
| ttx | vishy: most of it is because it's going fast and it's hard to keep up, though | 20:44 |
| mordred | devananda: I'd love that | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | mordred, devananda : count me in, too | 20:44 |
| vishy | ttx: not from what I’ve heard. In every case they got frustrated with getting patches merged | 20:44 |
| devananda | the bblog posts have been great to share different POV | 20:44 |
| vishy | to be fair my sample size is like 3 | 20:44 |
| vishy | :) | 20:44 |
| devananda | those nee to be turned into specific suggestions | 20:44 |
| mordred | vishy: fwiw, I've been trying to land a patch into ansible for about 3 months | 20:44 |
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| devananda | mordred's blog was the closest to actionable taht I've seen, but it's not easily digestible as governance changes | 20:45 |
| zaneb | vishy: remember not every project is the same in that respect, though | 20:45 |
| ttx | OK, let's move on to another question | 20:45 |
| zaneb | there's a wide variance | 20:45 |
| vishy | mordred: ha. And I tried and failed to land one in golang. I’m not saying we are worse than other communities | 20:45 |
| devananda | and some probably would need to be checked at the board meeting, too | 20:45 |
| fungi | we've had patches to gerrit take 6 months or more to land | 20:45 |
| mordred | vishy: :) | 20:45 |
| vishy | zaneb: agreed | 20:45 |
| mordred | vishy: but taht doesn't mean we can't strive to be better for sure! :) | 20:45 |
| sdague | vishy: I do think some of the early openstack devs have unrealistic expectations that people should just take their code :) | 20:45 |
| ttx | Shall we meet next week to close the Juno gap coverage plans ? | 20:45 |
| devananda | mordred: are you preparing anything for the tc/board meeting re: big tent? | 20:45 |
| mordred | ttx: I think devananda and dhellmann and I are going to work up actionable proposals | 20:45 |
| markmcclain | ttx: +1 | 20:45 |
| ttx | or is it a bit worthless and we should rather run the gap analysis again with the new PTLs and all | 20:45 |
| vishy | sdague: perhaps | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: what do we need to do to get this on the tc/board table? | 20:46 |
| mikal | ttx: if we hav work left ot be done for juno, we should meet | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: how about if we chat tomorrow morning about writing those up? | 20:46 |
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| ttx | mordred: I think we need to have convergence on the TC before we expose it to the board, so next Board meeting will be too early for them | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: kk | 20:46 |
| devananda | dhellmann: ++ though my schedule is a bit tight tomorrow | 20:46 |
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| mordred | devananda, dhellmann: since I brain-vomitted the first thing, do you guys want to take a pass at carving it up then? | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I'm sure both of us are skilled enough at async communication by now :-) | 20:47 |
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| mordred | ++ | 20:47 |
| ttx | so.. meeting or not meeting next week ? | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | mordred: yeah, I think that's the idea | 20:47 |
| mordred | dhellmann: awesome | 20:47 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yup | 20:47 |
| ttx | I just fear we won't have the PTLs around, so it might be worthless | 20:47 |
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| devananda | ttx: without the effort that has gone into gap analysis in the past, i'm not sure what we can do | 20:47 |
| anteaya | looks like markmcclain and mikal are up for a meeting next week | 20:47 |
| sdague | ttx: I vote meeting next week, cancel if no agenda | 20:48 |
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| ttx | hmm... I'll bring it up on the -tc list and we'll decide there. | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | devananda: you're west coast, right? how about if I try to put some notes together first thing my time and then sync up with you to finish? | 20:48 |
| devananda | ttx: perhaps a ML thread where outgoing PTLs follow up on the things the TC identified early on? | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, we should always just keep meeting | 20:48 |
| ttx | devananda: good idea | 20:48 |
| devananda | ttx: some trace for the next round of PTLs (where they changed) would be helpful, I think | 20:48 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yup. sounds good | 20:48 |
| ttx | #action ttx to raise -dev thread to pass the baton on Juno gap analysis, if needed | 20:48 |
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| ttx | next question, Who would like to write up the final "Technical Committee Update" blogpost ? | 20:49 |
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| ttx | I can do it if nobody wants it | 20:49 |
| vishy | I will do it | 20:49 |
| ttx | vishy: ok, we'll set you up with a openstack.org blog account | 20:50 |
| ttx | if you don't have retained one from the past | 20:50 |
| vishy | I don’t think i have one | 20:50 |
| ttx | vishy: contact redd and he will set you up | 20:50 |
| ttx | reed* | 20:50 |
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| anteaya | I will be asking reed for one too | 20:51 |
| ttx | Next question... we'll be shooting "flight safety" style video snippets about design summit on the Sunday/monday of the summit | 20:51 |
| anteaya | since if I can get one I will publish answer responses during tc election week | 20:51 |
| ttx | so that they can be projected Tue-Fri | 20:51 |
| mordred | nice | 20:51 |
| ttx | so once we have the scenario, we'll need volunteers to do hand signs | 20:51 |
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| markmcclain | awesome | 20:52 |
| ttx | TC / PTLs / well-known faces wanted | 20:52 |
| sdague | ttx: sounds fun, count me in | 20:52 |
| zaneb | mordred: not *those* hand signs | 20:52 |
| ttx | they said they would be able to edit it on Monday evening so that it's ready for Tuesday | 20:52 |
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| anteaya | who is scripting the safety rules? | 20:52 |
| ttx | just advance notification ;) | 20:52 |
| ttx | anteaya: foundation staff, but if you're interested we can loop you in | 20:53 |
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| ttx | I mean, we can loop anyone interested. | 20:53 |
| * anteaya realizes she just volunteered for something | 20:53 | |
| anteaya | yeah, okay | 20:53 |
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| ttx | we haven't even started. We thought it would be too late for Paris | 20:54 |
| anteaya | depends on the video crew | 20:54 |
| ttx | but the prod folks just said editing on Monday night wasn't a problem | 20:54 |
| ttx | so .. yeah | 20:54 |
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| ttx | OK, next up.. TC dinner. Anyone wants to organize (I can if nobody else does). Any preferred day ? | 20:55 |
| ttx | do we even know when the parties are ? | 20:55 |
| mordred | ttx: funny story - I was just about to poke you to see if you wanted to take care of finding/booking | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | ttx: you're likely to know the best places :) | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | https://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/overview/type/evening+events#.VCsY275hUts | 20:56 |
| ttx | markmcclain: you know for a fact that my addressbook is a bit outdated. | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | we only have one for tues so far, it looks like | 20:56 |
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| mordred | ttx: as all of the good places I foudn seemed like haggling a private table would involve more french than I own | 20:56 |
| ttx | markmcclain: we just didn't do enough scouting on that week. | 20:56 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: true.. more scouting was needd | 20:56 |
| ttx | haggling for a private table is difficult in paris, yes | 20:56 |
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| AlanClark | Hey TTX, reminder that we have the joint board and TC meeting on the Sunday Nov 2 with a diner after | 20:56 |
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| mordred | AlanClark: ++ | 20:57 |
| ttx | AlanClark: + | 20:57 |
| devananda | AlanClark: ++ | 20:57 |
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| ttx | oooh ascii art | 20:57 |
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| AlanClark | ttx, I talked with claire yesterday and owe you some emails to sync up | 20:57 |
| ttx | and finally, reminder that TC self-nomination will start this Friday. If your seat is up for renewal, you might want to self-nominate yourself | 20:57 |
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| ttx | jeblair, ttx, vishy, markmcclain, jaypipes, devananda and mikal can't run | 20:58 |
| anteaya | read the wikipage: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_October_2014 | 20:58 |
| vishy | ttx: but what if we want two seats each? | 20:59 |
| anteaya | can't have 'em | 20:59 |
| * jaypipes gives vishy his seat | 20:59 | |
| ttx | vishy: you would have to find a way to bribe anteaya | 21:00 |
| anteaya | my price is the moon | 21:00 |
| anteaya | in a small box | 21:00 |
| ttx | vishy: you know some planetlabs folks that may be able to help | 21:00 |
| ttx | OK, last words ? | 21:01 |
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| ttx | in case it's our last Juno meeting, it was a pleasure. | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 21:01:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-30-20.01.html | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-30-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-30-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:02 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | ttx: briefly | 21:02 |
| * morganfainberg lurks. | 21:02 | |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | Oh, I thought I had to run | 21:02 |
| mikal | There you go | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | Doh, sorry | 21:02 |
| mikal | And hello | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 30 21:02:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | should be a very quick one | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Here are the logs: | 21:03 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-30-07.57.html | 21:03 |
| ttx | and | 21:03 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-30-16.13.html | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Keystone, Glance, Ceilometer already published a RC1 | 21:03 |
| ttx | Cinder, Sahara and Nova will be done first thing tomorrow | 21:03 |
| ttx | or maybe just after this meeting if it ends early | 21:03 |
| ttx | Horizon, Neutron, Swift, Heat, Trove are still at least a day off | 21:03 |
| ttx | Race at: http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:04 |
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| zaneb | reviews are in progress for the last Heat thing | 21:04 |
| ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | we expect to have a patch release of oslo.db in the next day or two | 21:04 |
| ttx | zaneb: ok, approve the open-kilo if it merges | 21:04 |
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| zaneb | ttx: cool, will do | 21:04 |
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| ttx | ok, nobody else ? annegentle, mordred ? | 21:05 |
| mtreinish | ttx: nothing from me | 21:06 |
| fungi | infra has nothing to add afaik | 21:07 |
| fungi | oh, havana eol | 21:07 |
| fungi | but you know, we have mailing lists where we announce these things too, so that's already old news | 21:07 |
| ttx | ok then | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Kilo release schedule | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Final proposal (with release on April 30) posted at: | 21:07 |
| mtreinish | oh, I did want to bring up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323658 but we can save that until the end | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:08 |
| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047128.html | 21:08 |
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| ttx | Unless someone complains very soon on that thread, it will be officialized | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:08 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: go for it | 21:08 |
| mtreinish | so that bug is one of the largest gate issues right now | 21:08 |
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| mtreinish | and it's basically blocking any movement on icehouse stuff | 21:09 |
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| mtreinish | so I was curious about it's deferral into K1 | 21:10 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: that's a critical bug that needs to be fixed ASAP | 21:10 |
| sdague | Bug 1323658 - Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323658 | 21:10 |
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| sdague | ttx: well the neutron team defered to k1 | 21:11 |
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| ttx | but before or after RC1/release is not really a question | 21:11 |
| ttx | sdague: it will land in master | 21:11 |
| ttx | and maybe be backported | 21:11 |
| sdague | and as far as I can tell no one is working on it | 21:11 |
| ttx | but it should not prevent the RC1 from being published | 21:11 |
| mikal | Yeah, my comments there are because whilst its critical, I don't think its RC | 21:11 |
| ttx | that's another question. | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | sdague: both salv-orlando and armax have dug into it | 21:11 |
| mikal | And no one was assigned | 21:11 |
| ttx | It should have someone working on it, rc1 or not | 21:11 |
| sdague | the only active patch is me turning off the tests - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125150 | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ttx: well it does not | 21:12 |
| ttx | unfortuinately we don't have mestery around | 21:12 |
| mikal | sdague: it does not on the nova side | 21:12 |
| mikal | sdague: it does on the neutron side | 21:12 |
| mikal | So, that sounds like one for me to go and try and find a volunteer to work on it | 21:12 |
| sdague | mikal: if someone is actively working on it, I'd expect patches up | 21:12 |
| sdague | even if just log enhancement ones | 21:12 |
| ttx | Aaron Rosen is assigned to it on the neutron side | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | sdague: so I think it is going to take a pairing of a nova dev and neutron dev | 21:13 |
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| ttx | trying to ping him to see | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | since some of the neutron folks who've looked at it have reached the limits of their nova knowledge | 21:13 |
| sdague | ttx: I tried pinging him earlier today, no ack | 21:13 |
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| sdague | markmcclain: ok, well when I brought it up in neutron channel earlier today, it was all dead air | 21:14 |
| ttx | here he is | 21:14 |
| arosen-home1 | :) | 21:14 |
| ttx | arosen-home1: what's the state? | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | sdague: sorry about dead air… lots of neutron devs were offline today | 21:14 |
| arosen-home1 | I've spent a good amount of trying trying to reproduce this and dig into it but unfortunately i'm still grasping at straws why it's failing :( | 21:15 |
| arosen-home1 | I'm wondering if might be more of an issue with config driver but i see the postgres tests uses the metadata agent and still has failures as well. | 21:15 |
| arosen-home1 | the resize code though doesn't unplug the vif so really neutron shouldn't even know that anything happened. | 21:16 |
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| sdague | well, the fact that there are no patches up to add debug logging that would expose that means I assume everyone has just given up | 21:16 |
| sdague | and if that's the case, we should just be honest about that | 21:17 |
| sdague | and not pretend it's critical when no one is working on it | 21:17 |
| ttx | weird that it would hit icehouse and master at the same time | 21:17 |
| sdague | ttx: not really | 21:17 |
| mikal | So, reading the comment history | 21:17 |
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| mikal | The neutron devs assert that the instance never boots | 21:18 |
| arosen-home1 | sdague: i agree sorry I didn't communicate much better on this one :/ . | 21:18 |
| arosen-home1 | I think this issue might be related to config-drive more so maybe but still not really sure :/ | 21:18 |
| ttx | sdague: oh, 10 days of history ? heh | 21:18 |
| mikal | What about this being a qemu disk corruption problem? | 21:19 |
| sdague | arosen-home1: so if you believe there are areas that this might be in, can we get some debug logs added to verify those assertions or not | 21:20 |
| sdague | honestly, that's really an anyone: | 21:20 |
| sdague | because I don't actually want to single out arosen-home1 here, he did dive for a while | 21:20 |
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| mikal | sdague: so, the neutron guys say they see logs indicating the instance didn't boot completely. Is it possible to stash the instance disk files somewhere in the case of failure? | 21:21 |
| sdague | mikal: anything is possible | 21:22 |
| mikal | sdague: I'd like to see if this is another of those qemu disk corruption bugs | 21:22 |
| mikal | sdague: we've fixed at least one of those recently | 21:22 |
| ttx | the bug was filed back in May, but flew under the radar between June 16 and September 2 ? | 21:22 |
| mikal | sdague: for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123957/ | 21:23 |
| ttx | or did it just become more of a PITA recently | 21:23 |
| arosen-home1 | mikal: is there anyway to check if the disk is corrupt? | 21:23 |
| mikal | arosen-home1: not that I can immediately think of, except for archiving it for inspection | 21:23 |
| arosen-home1 | would a console-log show us anything? I think there is something funky going on with when tempest does it's console-logging. | 21:23 |
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| mikal | arosen-home1: a console log might help, but also might not | 21:24 |
| mikal | I think an audit of every use of qemu-img to make sure it has a fsync() might be a reasonable thing to do | 21:25 |
| mikal | Not sure if it would help here though | 21:25 |
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| sdague | ttx: it rose in exposure recently | 21:25 |
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| ttx | I can't think at this late hour anyway | 21:28 |
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| sdague | mikal: that's at least something | 21:28 |
| mikal | sdague: I will ask Tony to see if he can find other places the qemu thing might be happening | 21:29 |
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| mikal | But I need him to wake up first | 21:29 |
| sdague | mikal: so lacking that, we should probably bring this patch in anyway right? | 21:29 |
| mikal | sdague: yes, definitely | 21:29 |
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| mikal | sdague: my point was "we should trust qemu less" | 21:29 |
| sdague | sure | 21:30 |
| mikal | But I am not convinced it is our issue here | 21:30 |
| mikal | Just hoping it is | 21:30 |
| mikal | I'd be surprised if there's any qemu in the restart path for example | 21:30 |
| mikal | But it would be for resize | 21:30 |
| mtreinish | mikal: so we do have the qemu logs for each instances saved, but I'm not sure that would capture what you need | 21:30 |
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| ttx | sdague: would you say it happens more often on icehouse than on master right now ? That would go in the direction of something that master would have partially patched | 21:30 |
| sdague | ttx: it's probably more icehouse | 21:31 |
| mikal | ttx: the "layer 0" dependancies are different for icehouse as well remember | 21:31 |
| sdague | that's mostly related to the fact that nova is faster in juno | 21:31 |
| mikal | ttx: different libvirt version for example | 21:31 |
| sdague | in my guess | 21:31 |
| sdague | or neutron even | 21:31 |
| sdague | there were enough perf changes as well | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | feels like something has slightly altered timing and now we've upset the balance of the universe | 21:31 |
| sdague | yeh, that happens over time as well | 21:32 |
| sdague | as different tests overlap | 21:32 |
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| sdague | based on what's skipped or not in each branch | 21:32 |
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| sdague | this is why tracking these things down is hard | 21:32 |
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| arosen-home1 | sdague: i feel like it's not related to neutron as the resize code path in nova does nothing to the instance that neutron would know about (i put print statements in the plug/unplug code and that doesn't happen when a resize occurs on the same host). | 21:32 |
| sdague | arosen-home1: except it only exposes on neutron paths, right? | 21:33 |
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| ttx | sdague, arosen-home1, markmcclain, mikal: do you want to keep this meeting open to keep debugging ? Or come up with another venue to continue working on it in common ? | 21:33 |
| mikal | I think we could do this in another channel | 21:33 |
| arosen-home1 | sdague: ah really? sorry I didn't realize that :( | 21:33 |
| mikal | Let's not waste unrelated PTL's time | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | yeah we can chat in -neutron | 21:34 |
| ttx | well, I could use some sleep | 21:34 |
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| ttx | ok, unless someone else has something to raise... | 21:35 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 21:35:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-30-21.02.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-30-21.02.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-30-21.02.log.html | 21:36 |
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