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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 12:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:01 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| asalkeld | o/ | 12:01 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 12:01 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 12:01 |
| unmeshg | hi | 12:01 |
| inc0 | o/ | 12:01 |
| skraynev | yohu! | 12:02 |
| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:03 | |
| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-09-24-20.02.html | 12:03 |
| zaneb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122934/ got merged, so success there | 12:03 |
| zaneb | therve sync oslo incubator | 12:04 |
| therve | Hi | 12:04 |
| zaneb | did anyone notice if that happened? | 12:04 |
| zaneb | o hai | 12:04 |
| therve | No I didn't do it | 12:04 |
| therve | I was waiting on the oslo.i18n merge, I don't think it happened? | 12:04 |
| skraynev | zaneb: do you mean sync with oslo? | 12:04 |
| zaneb | ok, probably counterproductive to do anything at this point anyway | 12:04 |
| zaneb | skraynev: oslo-incubator | 12:05 |
| zaneb | we have to copy-paste stuff from it | 12:05 |
| zaneb | it's ugly | 12:05 |
| skraynev | zaneb: got it, thx | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | not too much left in the incubator | 12:05 |
| therve | Last time I checked there were no critical issues at least | 12:05 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-10-01_1200_UTC.29 | 12:06 |
| zaneb | anything else to add? | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | we have some bugs causing gating problems | 12:06 |
| therve | Heat bugs? | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:06 |
| therve | We should raise the priority of those if that's the case | 12:07 |
| zaneb | ok, we'll cover that | 12:07 |
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| asalkeld | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1374175 | 12:07 |
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| skraynev | I had one question, but suppose it may be moved to open discussion ;) | 12:07 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, do we need to start thinking about summit sessions? | 12:08 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: definitely | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | not sure about time line | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | need to look into that | 12:09 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, it normally sneaks up on you | 12:09 |
| zaneb | no sooner are PTL elections over than whammo | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | we all need to think of important stuff to discuss | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 12:09 |
| zaneb | #topic HARestarter transition plan | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HARestarter transition plan (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:10 | |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, you have a bp | 12:10 |
| mspreitz | the BP is plan C | 12:10 |
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| zaneb | once again we have failed to communicate to our users the uselessness of HARestarter in yet another release | 12:10 |
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| mspreitz | plan A is to have a normal transition | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | might be a good summit sessions | 12:10 |
| zaneb | sigh :( | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, we are not removing it | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | we will wait until there is something better | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | i think we all care about ha | 12:11 |
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| mspreitz | So will there be a release in which both HARestarter and something better are available? | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | just want to be straight up about it's capablity | 12:12 |
| inc0 | we need to define "something better" as well | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | inc0, +1 | 12:12 |
| zaneb | yeah, we need to figure out what we _can_ do without HARestarter holding up convergence | 12:12 |
| mspreitz | The thing that worries me is people saying that HARestarter will be impossible in the future | 12:12 |
| inc0 | I've posted comment to your spec mspreitz, HA is hard thing... | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | and harestarter is a toy really | 12:13 |
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| tspatzier | I think confusion also exists because someone said that HARestarter will not work with convergence, so can there be a release when both the legacy and the new thing work? | 12:13 |
| * pas-ha being late | 12:13 | |
| inc0 | there are several approaches to both health monitoring and self healing | 12:13 |
| skraynev | possibly we may make the shadow replace and add map in environment on new HARestarter | 12:13 |
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| * mspreitz hopes the discussion will focus on the pointed question of a transition | 12:14 | |
| asalkeld | i think it would work better if we had built in workflow | 12:14 |
| skraynev | it allows people do not worry about templates | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | and we could run tasks | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | repair workflow | 12:14 |
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| mspreitz | HARestarter has the wrong name but can be used today | 12:15 |
| mspreitz | The question is, will there be a normal transition? | 12:15 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, we can't really have that without going to very low level, I've been probing this subject with self healing after host failure topic | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, i don't see why not | 12:15 |
| mspreitz | Some remarks say that HARestarter will be impossible when convergence arrives | 12:15 |
| inc0 | there might be issues with simple transition, because me might need to change logic itself | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | i dont' see why | 12:16 |
| mspreitz | Zane, do you have a reason? | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | it's a very similar mechanism to autoscaling | 12:16 |
| skraynev | I think that mspreitz worries, that we just remove HARestarter and do not offer any equivalent. | 12:16 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: autoscaling controls another stack. HARestarter controls its own stack | 12:17 |
| mspreitz | my point is transition | 12:17 |
| mspreitz | if HARestarter and something better can not co-exist, there is no transition | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | signal -> action -> delete (wait for continous recovery) | 12:17 |
| mspreitz | there needs to be at least one release of overlap | 12:17 |
| zaneb | transition is completely unrelated to deprecation, yet we have allowed the former to derail the latter for over a year now | 12:18 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i'd rather have convergence than harestarer if it comes to that | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | but hopefully we don't have to choose | 12:19 |
| inc0 | if HARestarter takes instance id as property, if convergence rebuilds this instance, id changes right? This way HARestarter will stop covering instance if something goes wrong | 12:19 |
| zaneb | inc0: it doesn't though | 12:19 |
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| mspreitz | asalkeld: my point is that an abrupt change should not be forced on users. That's just evolution 101 | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i am in agreement that we should do what we can to maintain it's functionality | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | but not at all costs | 12:20 |
| zaneb | +1 | 12:20 |
| mspreitz | We do not need co-existence indefinitely, but ground rules say we need it for 1 release | 12:20 |
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| therve | Can we talk about it again if/when the problem araises? | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | sure, lets not assume the worst | 12:21 |
| mspreitz | no wait | 12:21 |
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| mspreitz | If some time during K we decide we can not have co-existence, what then? | 12:22 |
| therve | That's not how it works | 12:22 |
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| therve | We make patches, and then one patch may break HARestarter, then we'll see | 12:22 |
| therve | Before merging it | 12:22 |
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| zaneb | I don't want to design all of convergence around known-broken resource types | 12:23 |
| mspreitz | As long as people are committed to the usual ground rules, 1 release of overlap, I am fine | 12:23 |
| therve | Sure | 12:23 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i think we will come up with a reasonable plan | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | no one is a fortune teller | 12:23 |
| therve | convergence may not happen at all during K | 12:24 |
| mspreitz | I am not asking for clairvoyance. I am worried by verbiage that suggests less than a committment to evolution 101 | 12:24 |
| therve | HARestarter is dumb, we shouldn't go out of our way to support it, that's all | 12:24 |
| mspreitz | therve has indicated a clear committment | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | oh dang | 12:25 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, all we are saying is "if it it totally impossible to have harestarter and convergance, I think we should choose convergence" | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | calling a useful thing names does not really give you permission to break the ground rules | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | but hopefully it won't come to that | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: I am saying there are other ways to get smooth transitions | 12:26 |
| zaneb | I'm not prepared to commit, because I don't think this feature should ever have been in Heat. we should have deprecated it in Havana | 12:26 |
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| asalkeld | well zaneb we didn't have a deprecation mechanism until receintly | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | (for resource types) | 12:27 |
| zaneb | and given that we have known since then all the ways that it breaks Heat's data model, I don't want convergence to be forced into architectural changes just to deal with broken stuff like this | 12:27 |
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| zaneb | that said, if it can be made to work with convergence for a release, then that is obviously preferable | 12:27 |
| mspreitz | So plan C is a way to keep things smooth for users even if HARestarter and convergence can not co-exist | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | how is that going to happen? | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | (plan B is: go back and try harder to make plan A work) | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | plan C is to introduce a higher-level abstraction that meets users needs and can be implemented by HARestarter and by convergence | 12:28 |
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| mspreitz | but you have to introduce that higher abstraction at least 1 release before you remove HARestarter | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, the problem is we just don't even know if this is going to be a problem at all | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | so this discussion seems totally premature to me | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | plan C requires planning 1 release ahead | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | but if plan A will not work, it is what you have | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, i do think we need to start now with a better ha solution | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | so by that time we have something much better | 12:31 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: are you suggesting we introduce a less-broken HA to overlap with HARestarter for one release and then convergence for one release? | 12:31 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: yes | 12:31 |
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| inc0 | is there any point of making something less-broken and just for one release | 12:31 |
| mspreitz | 2 releases | 12:31 |
| inc0 | maybe lets make something well...unbroken? | 12:31 |
| mspreitz | to allow for smooth transitions | 12:32 |
| zaneb | inc0: that would be convergence | 12:32 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: i have to adjust the wording | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, so you want us to delay convergence because of harestarer | 12:32 |
| mspreitz | something with an interface that implies less brokenness | 12:32 |
| zaneb | my fear is that if we introduce something else, people will use it | 12:32 |
| mspreitz | at first the impelementation will be based on HARestarter | 12:32 |
| mspreitz | oops, I still botched wording... | 12:33 |
| inc0 | its my understanding that convergence will be optional right? | 12:33 |
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| asalkeld | inc0, i don't see how | 12:33 |
| mspreitz | introduce something whose interface does not imply the implementation is based on HARestarter, even though the initial implementation will be just that | 12:33 |
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| zaneb | inc0: convergence is both a feature and an entire architecture | 12:33 |
| zaneb | inc0: IOW no | 12:33 |
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| mspreitz | Plan C is not about introducing a new HA mechanism | 12:34 |
| mspreitz | it is about obscuring the fact that HARestarter is the only solution | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | so that users will not see abrupt change | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | when HARestarter is replaced | 12:35 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: I don't see how you get away from the fact that we're doing stack-level operations within a resource. if convergence doesn't support that, we're still hosed | 12:35 |
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| mspreitz | plan C is a resource type whose implementation can be changed at the moment HARestarter is replaced | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | with constant resource type interface, user templates do not have to change | 12:35 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i think what zaneb is saying is the "server" needs to be a stack | 12:36 |
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| zaneb | we could have e.g. an OS::Heat::HAStack resource that creates a nested stack with HA control over a named resource | 12:36 |
| mspreitz | plan C is a resource type that takes a template as an input | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, +1 | 12:37 |
| zaneb | and use the update mechanism to do restarts | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | recreates | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | stack->repair | 12:37 |
| mspreitz | my proposal for the resource type was that it not be for an atomic thing but rather a scaling group of things | 12:37 |
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| mspreitz | I suggested that because I thought I heard that automatic convergence would first arrrive only for scaling group members | 12:38 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, yes that is a nested stack right | 12:38 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: it's still horrible though, and I guarantee people will actually start using it :( | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | har | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | can't we just get pacemaker working in the guest | 12:38 |
| mspreitz | my point is that the users templates do not commit to the current bad implementation | 12:38 |
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| mspreitz | if they use the higher level resource type | 12:39 |
| asalkeld | sure | 12:39 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, that sounds better | 12:39 |
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| mspreitz | asalkeld: if the plan C resource type is not about maintaining one thing but rather a scaling group of things, then I think it is not so bad | 12:39 |
| mspreitz | Really, it is just saying what I hear is the most useful feature of scaling groups. | 12:40 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, pacemaker doesn't really scale, its not good for larger stacks | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | inc0, in guest -not run by us | 12:40 |
| mspreitz | I am suggesting a resource type that lets users write templates that do not commit to any one bad implementation, the only committment is to a pretty defensible function | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, that sounds ok to me | 12:41 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, yes, but since we're in cloud we could do this in more scallable way than making people using pacemaker | 12:41 |
| asalkeld | tho' what would be good would be to have a plugable why to repair | 12:42 |
| zaneb | inc0: nothing we can do is in any way a substitute for pacemaker | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | so we don't have to deal with every possible issue | 12:42 |
| inc0 | zaneb, agree, but there are subsets of cases we can actually help with | 12:42 |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: not sure if you are speaking to plan C, but... | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | yip C | 12:42 |
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| mspreitz | the point of plan C is that the users template only to commit to the idea that we have some way to do repair of scaling group members | 12:43 |
| mspreitz | we are free to change implementation abruptly | 12:43 |
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| inc0 | mspreitz, what people will actually get from this commitment? | 12:43 |
| asalkeld | we have 15 mins left | 12:43 |
| asalkeld | do we want to cover other things? | 12:43 |
| mspreitz | inc0: users will not have to change all their templates the moment their cloud operator installs a certain release | 12:44 |
| mspreitz | the point of plan C is that we make less of a committment | 12:44 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: before you were all about having a transition plan for users, but now you only care about scaling group members? | 12:44 |
| * zaneb is confused | 12:44 | |
| inc0 | also, if we introduce interface before designing architecture, that may lead to mistakes impossible to correct | 12:44 |
| mspreitz | The users of which I know can be satisfied if we only support HA for scaling group members | 12:45 |
| zaneb | inc0: bingo | 12:45 |
| mspreitz | I suggested that limitation because it puts less restrictions on what we do | 12:45 |
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| asalkeld | i think we need lots of furture design | 12:45 |
| mspreitz | Look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124656/ and see if you think the interface promises something we will not be able to deliver | 12:45 |
| mspreitz | I think if we can not deliver on that level of function in the future then we will be badly broken in the future | 12:46 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124656/ | 12:46 |
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| mspreitz | The interface is deliberately not general, so that we do not have all the usual problems of designing too far ahead | 12:46 |
| inc0 | shouldn't we just meet up in Paris to discuss that and maybe make actual high level draft of architecture? | 12:46 |
| zaneb | ok, let's review that spec and go from there | 12:46 |
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| mspreitz | but I think the interface is general enough to satisfy users for a while | 12:46 |
| asalkeld | inc0, +1 | 12:47 |
| zaneb | #topic Gate bugs | 12:47 |
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| mspreitz | Again, plan C requires planning 1 release ahead | 12:47 |
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| zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1374175 | 12:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374175 in heat "test_server_cfn_init failed in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow: AssertionError: Timed out waiting for 10.1.0.4 to become reachable" [High,Confirmed] | 12:47 |
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| zaneb | that one seems to be failing a lot | 12:47 |
| asalkeld | so i just wanted to make people aware of that | 12:48 |
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| therve | is heat-slow voting? | 12:48 |
| skraynev | so summarize: 1. we do not delete harestarter (yet) and leave it in deprecation until alternative are not implemented. 2. Implementation of convergence may be danger for harestarter, but we believe, that all will be ok. 3. Replacement for harestrater will be done after convergence as soon as possible. | 12:48 |
| skraynev | I hope it's right ;) | 12:48 |
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| asalkeld | notice that it came to being at the same time as a neutron gating bug | 12:48 |
| mspreitz | skraynev: was there typo in 1? Extra "not" ? | 12:49 |
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| zaneb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1370865 <- that one has been fixed | 12:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370865 in heat "tempest.api.orchestration.stacks.test_update.UpdateStackTestJSON.test_stack_update_add_remove mismatch error" [Medium,Fix committed] | 12:49 |
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| skraynev | mspreitz: yes, second is unnecessary ;) | 12:49 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, look here : http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1374175 | 12:49 |
| asalkeld | there are a bunch of issue that cropped up at the same time | 12:50 |
| asalkeld | sep29 | 12:50 |
| therve | zaneb, It seems to re-happened since yesterday? | 12:50 |
| asalkeld | i wonder if there was an infra change | 12:50 |
| therve | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1370865 | 12:50 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, something must have been changed, and not by us I suspect | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | lots of timeout issue | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | maybe slower vms? | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | network etc.. | 12:53 |
| skraynev | convergence are not implemented yet ... | 12:53 |
| skraynev | :) | 12:53 |
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| asalkeld | Bug 1311066 - Some nodes allocated in node pool are very very slow | 12:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311066 in openstack-ci "Some nodes allocated in node pool are very very slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311066 | 12:53 |
| zaneb | do elastic recheck graphs include stable branches? | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | yes | 12:53 |
| zaneb | did we start running a lot of stable/icehouse tests on the 29th maybe? | 12:54 |
| asalkeld | honestly not sure | 12:54 |
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| asalkeld | but maybe | 12:55 |
| asalkeld | isn't it the last stable release just before the next new release? | 12:55 |
| zaneb | idk | 12:55 |
| zaneb | sounds plausible | 12:55 |
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| asalkeld | any bugs that we might need in a rc2? | 12:56 |
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| mspreitz | I'd rather not have bugs ! | 12:57 |
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| asalkeld | :) - i mean the fixes | 12:57 |
| zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential | 12:57 |
| zaneb | just a reminder, tag your bug "juno-rc-potential" if you think it should maybe be fixed in -rc2 | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | okie dokie | 12:58 |
| zaneb | btw if someone knowledgeable (i.e. not me) could look at bug 1370302 that would be great | 12:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370302 in heat "heat stack-create failed due to lack of 'v2.0' in auth_uri" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370302 | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | everyone waiting for shardy to get back:-O | 12:59 |
| zaneb | it sounds bad but could easily be PEBKAC | 12:59 |
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| asalkeld | googling pebkac | 12:59 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: you disappoint me ;) | 12:59 |
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| asalkeld | ga, never heard of that | 13:00 |
| therve | That bug looks weird to me | 13:00 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: http://forum.ilikecheats.com/threads/571-new-problems-PEBKAC | 13:00 |
| zaneb | ok, we're out of time | 13:01 |
| zaneb | let's continue in #heat | 13:01 |
| asalkeld | k | 13:01 |
| skraynev | ok | 13:01 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 13:01:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-01-12.01.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-01-12.01.txt | 13:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 15:02:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello hello | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: matel: hows things> | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:04 |
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| matel | hi, I'm on a meeting, mainly eavesdropping. | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see the CI has started voting again | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows things going? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | soprry | 15:04 |
| BobBall | sorry* | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Got pulled away for an urgent meeting | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I am back now | 15:05 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125346/ | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Looking good! \o/ | 15:05 |
| BobBall | matel fixed the CI | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:05 |
| BobBall | upgrading to Trusty needed a few tricky things to happen - in part because we were running on branches of a few things and haven't kept up with infra's progress | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | but also in part due to Trusty bugs | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | The key thing is it's working again | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the latest LTS right? | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | Yes | 15:06 |
| matel | Yep, it was quite tricky to find out that the kernel needs to be updated. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Hopefulyl we'll be able to stick on Trusty for at least 3 weeks before another upgrade is needed... | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: ouch, good working fixing it | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, joy, do you not to an apt-get upgrade thing when preping the nova-compute | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | yes | 15:07 |
| BobBall | but then that didn't reboot the host | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so the new kernel wasn't being used... | 15:08 |
| BobBall | and you needed a dist-upgrade anyway | 15:08 |
| BobBall | which didn't work first run, and you needed to re-run it | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gotcha | 15:08 |
| BobBall | but all of that had to happen before uploading the image (because of the reboot issue) so we had to do it in the XVA | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nasty | 15:08 |
| BobBall | but the xva was built with debootstrap which has no way (that we can find) to use trusty-updates and can only install the base system | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yuck | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Which we then have to boot + dist-upgrade twice etc etc | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, good work | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows everything else doing | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are now on more recent branches and stuff | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats next? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Good. I think. No new bugs raised so that's good | 15:09 |
| BobBall | next step for the CI is to look @ zuul, jjb and other upstream repos so we can just do what infra are doing more | 15:10 |
| BobBall | also look at uploading the XenServer image to RAX so we don't have to build it online | 15:10 |
| BobBall | but it's not clear if we'll be able to do that... We'll see | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | let us know how that goes | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | a single VHD should do | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | Indeed | 15:12 |
| BobBall | It's a nice theory | 15:12 |
| BobBall | if it works | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but it's currently untested | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, customers have used that feature, but yeah | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds good | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | I didn't mean the RAX feature | 15:13 |
| BobBall | but the XenServer / nodepool integration points | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | heh OK | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone got anything else to raise? | 15:14 |
| BobBall | What's the status of the vhd issue for Juno? | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we don't have a summit session in paris, depends what people want | 15:15 |
| BobBall | You had two fixes to try and get in | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | good question | 15:15 |
| BobBall | are they both in? | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, I think they are | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | all three | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we clean up the VDI chain | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | cookie issues are auto-repaired where possible | 15:16 |
| BobBall | wonderful | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | and the fix for the collase logic itsself | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Have you tested these changes in your env? Where you saw the cookie issues? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | we tested it in a test env, and it seems to be working nicely | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yet to be rolled out | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | got delayed by doing lots of reboots... | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Perfect | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Reboots? can't imagine what they were for... | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | quite | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121177/ | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the big one | 15:17 |
| BobBall | great - glad it's in | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | me too | 15:17 |
| BobBall | Should improve the reliability of the CI too | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | (just checking - we haven't cut Juno yet, have we?) | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its been cut | 15:18 |
| BobBall | oh... Was the cut after the fixes or before? | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well after | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | was cut last night / this morning | 15:18 |
| BobBall | oh good. that's all I care about :D | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Nah | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks for your good work fixing the CI :) | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 15:19:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-01-15.02.html | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-01-15.02.txt | 15:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-01-15.02.log.html | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Blame matel for fixing the CI - not me. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it was the royal "your" | 15:20 |
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| * DuncanT- waves | 15:51 | |
| hemna | yough | 15:51 |
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| e0ne | hi | 15:54 |
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| hemna | so...no meeting then ? | 15:55 |
| hemna | heh | 15:55 |
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| DuncanT- | Still got 5 minutes to start time, haven't we? | 15:57 |
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| e0ne | we've got one topic for it | 15:57 |
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| flip214 | let's keep it short.... at least we could try, although bike-shedding always applies. | 15:58 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 16:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | hey all | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| ameade | hey | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:02 |
| DuncanT- | hey | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| jbernard | o/ | 16:02 |
| * thingee has a conflicting meeting :( | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | this should be short | 16:02 |
| avishay | hello | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic RC1 | 16:02 |
| vincent_hou | hi | 16:02 |
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| Yogi2 | hi | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | so the mantra for the week should be (for those that didn't catch it) TEST | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | TEST | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | TEST | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | TEST | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | TEST | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | get the idea? | 16:03 |
| mtanino | :) | 16:03 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Not yeah, write code for Kilo | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Test | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: What should we be doing? | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: why I otttaaaaaa | 16:03 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: writing code for kilo | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | Also fix the bugs that other people's testing has found | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | seriously though | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: aAh, good, thanks! | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | we cut RC1 this AM | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-) | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | there was a slew of bugs logged against bacup last night | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | and I've noticed a couple other things we've sort of neglected around manage etc | 16:04 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: are they critical enough to cut RC2? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: haven't decided yet | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: pretty border line so far | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: but I want to make sure that if there is something critical enough we identify it ASAP | 16:05 |
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| * DuncanT- is slowly working through triaging the backup bugs | 16:05 | |
| jgriffith | xyang1: and I've got a number of things that we can put in | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: you can double check my work there :) | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I triaged them this morning | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: well... verified some, triaged some | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | anybody have anything else? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So, just to clarify from a reviewer standpoint. | 16:07 |
| hemna | meh | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Don't worry about reviews so much and don't be merging anything at the moment? | 16:08 |
| AlkaD | nope | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: not necessarily | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Important bug fixes are important | 16:08 |
| hemna | I'm not +A'ing anything right now w/o talking with jgriffith first. | 16:08 |
| glenng | jgriffith: Can we worry about reviews next week? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: no reason to stop forward progress, but be "picky" right now | 16:08 |
| tbarron | what happens to the reviews we had in flight? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: DuncanT- Right. | 16:08 |
| glenng | NFS Security… | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | glenng: we can always do reviews | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: theyr'e still in flight | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: we can still +2, but no +A? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: That sounds like a good plan. | 16:09 |
| glenng | jgriffith: Good. Mine is out there waiting. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: you can still approve/merge just like always | 16:09 |
| eharney | note that master is now Kilo | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | glenng: Been meaning to get to that. | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | my point is just I'd like people to be focusing on Juno right now | 16:09 |
| glenng | jungleboyj: I love you Man! | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | glenng: :-) | 16:09 |
| * jungleboyj is picturing the scene from Wayne's World | 16:10 | |
| hemna | FYI, there are new cinder scenarios in Rally that folks can be running to stress test stuff. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | the good thing is that IMO people's CI efforts have helped us out a bit this cycle | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | hemna: I thought you ran into problems with Rally? does it work now? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | There's not as much of a panic/rush at the end to fix driver bugs | 16:11 |
| hemna | if you haven't run Rally yet, you should. | 16:11 |
| hemna | Take a look at https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/cinder/volumes.py | 16:11 |
| hemna | I added a create_and_attach_volume scenario | 16:11 |
| hemna | it's simple | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | From my perspective drivers are the lowest priority right now with the exception of LVM | 16:11 |
| hemna | xyang1, yah it works | 16:11 |
| hemna | I have another guy on our team working on a more complicated scenario test runner for cinder | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | but you're all professional adults, use your judgement on how you want to manage your time/effort | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Ok, side convos have started... shall we wrap up here? | 16:12 |
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| flip214 | "thanks for all the fish" | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Did hemna want to talk about cleanup? | 16:12 |
| glenng | jgriffith: last time I was called a professional I was being escorted out the door! | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Are we going to talk about Kilo cleanup? | 16:12 |
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| hemna | glenng, :) | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Wait, remember Juno! | 16:13 |
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| * flip214 just read "remember the Alamo!" | 16:13 | |
| markstur_ | Ah Juno. The good ol' days. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: nope, I wasn't going to mention that at all... but if folks want to I guess that's up to you all | 16:13 |
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| hemna | we can save it for next week | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: That works for me! | 16:14 |
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| hemna | everyone install rally and run the cinder scenarios | 16:14 |
| hemna | :) | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | BTW... if you haven't done so yet; GO VOTE!!!! | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I don't mind, but need to talk about it next week at the latest to start assigning people to work | 16:14 |
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| hemna | if anyone has free time, take a look at the priority list (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work) and comment | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: you can bring up a preview now.. | 16:15 |
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| hemna | chew on it this week and let's chat about it next meeting ? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | #topic DuncanT- 's preview on Kilo cleanup | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: ^^ | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | So I've got a new worry to add to the list: Test coverage, particualrly negative testing | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT- | We've had a couple of policy not enforced type bugs | 16:16 |
| DuncanT- | Plus all the work in Hemna's document | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | Honestly our entire unit test collection sucks and is mostly broken IMO | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | but I'm saving that for after Juno :) | 16:17 |
| hemna | mox --> mock | 16:17 |
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| glenng | +10 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | hemna: haha... not even that but ok :) | 16:17 |
| glenng | Mock is better | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT- | mox -> mock doesn't buy us /that/ much | 16:17 |
| ameade | yeah | 16:17 |
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| hemna | hehe | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | or mock -<> mox | 16:17 |
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| glenng | We should all migrate to using Mock. | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | You all are determined to suck me into this conversation now aren't you :) | 16:17 |
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| hemna | I hate looking at the current tests, due to context switching between mox and mock | 16:17 |
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| hemna | completely sucks | 16:17 |
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| hemna | but that's probably just me. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | who cares honestly | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I hate the fact that people don't know what unit tests are | 16:18 |
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| DuncanT- | Is it worth picking one area and trying to turn them into an example of 'good testing'? | 16:18 |
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| hemna | DuncanT-, how about the volume manager tests :) | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | unit tests are supposed to test your little piece of code, ideally the largest thing tested should be a single method | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | in our case we do things like load entire services, call 5 different modules etc etc | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | it's crap | 16:19 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: +1 | 16:19 |
| glenng | jgriffith: Only when not done well. | 16:19 |
| hemna | yah, and those are very difficult to do, as you basically mock the world | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | and don't get me started on our over use of fakes | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I've always said one method or one boundary | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: indeed | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | ok, so that's a good topic for Kilo improvements | 16:20 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i think mox was pretty hard to figure out and led to all the fakes junk, but agree | 16:20 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: But we need tests that are more than unit tests but less than tempest too, particualrly negative tests of our defensive programming | 16:20 |
| hemna | jgriffith, create an etherpad to dump ideas about unit tests, and link to that from the kilo etherpad ? | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: sounds good to me | 16:20 |
| glenng | DuncanT: Right. Test cases to cover positive and negative coverage. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: and that's been proposed | 16:20 |
| hemna | avishay, +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: Cinder based functional testing | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: or... functional testing that lives in Cinder | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | however you want to word it | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: So we'd have 3 levels of testing? Unit, functional and system? Sounds good to me | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: that's been my proposal | 16:21 |
| thangp | system = tempest? | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I'm onboard with that | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | thangp: Yeah | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: I think that is what swift does. | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | devils in the details, but seems like the right direction to me | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT- | On a related note, if anybody is smart enough to be able to figure out how to get coverage out of a running cinder service (so I can get reports of the coverage of tempest) can they let me know please? I'm failing, and want to do periodic reports so that we can identify low hanging fruit tempest gaps | 16:23 |
| avishay | it's definitely the right thing to do. unit tests mock everything outside of a function, and higher-level tests subsystems and mock out the rest, and of course full system tests | 16:23 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: if you find out please let me know | 16:24 |
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| mtreinish | DuncanT-: what kind of coverage? like how many of the api endpoints you hit? | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT- | mtreinish: Lines of code, ideally | 16:25 |
| DuncanT- | mtreinish: As in python coverage tool output | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT- | mtreinish: Unfortunately the tool seems not to like eventlet | 16:26 |
| mtreinish | DuncanT-: well I played with that in nova a while back the short answer there isn't a good way to do it. | 16:26 |
| flip216 | DuncanT- learn from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoverageExtension ?? | 16:26 |
| mtreinish | DuncanT-: yeah eventlet breaks things | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | flip216: Oooo, interesting, thanks! | 16:26 |
| mtreinish | flip216: yeah, that's what I was referring to, it was removed from nova because it didn't really work well because of the eventlet issues | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: DuncanT- flip216 we should probably annotate that in the wiki | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Unless it's there and I just didn't see it | 16:27 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: yeah that's a good idea, I had completely forgotten about it | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: that's the beauty of wiki's :) | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | I do it allll the time | 16:28 |
| flip216 | I guess there'll be some way to do "import coverage; coverage.start()" or so, too? | 16:28 |
| flip216 | that's just two lines that can be inserted in service.py or so .. | 16:28 |
| mtreinish | flip216: well that's basically what the extension did, just triggered the start by an api call | 16:29 |
| mtreinish | but it turned out not to be useful because of the issues running it with eventlet | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT- | well, it's something for those interested to try playing with - It has to potential to be extremely useful | 16:31 |
| flip216 | well, http://eventlet.net/doc/testing.html says "nosetests --with-coverage --cover-package=eventlet" | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | ok.... we've completely digressed :) | 16:32 |
| flip216 | perhaps that works? | 16:32 |
| flip216 | bike shedding, as I said. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | we can discuss in #openstack-cinder maybe? | 16:32 |
| flip216 | I'd like my coffee with milk, please. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I'd like mine without thank you! | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Black coffee all the way! | 16:33 |
| flip216 | without "thank you"? you'd get yours with a "here you are, sir"... | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anybody have any questions, comments or concerns? | 16:33 |
| thingee_ | I like my coffee black, just like my metal. | 16:33 |
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| flip216 | is this meta-discussion really necessary? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | flip216: Nice! | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: LOL | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I have that shirt somewhere... | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | I'd like mine with a large shot of rum in the top, please? | 16:33 |
| flip216 | thingee: corroded? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | ok... we're obviously done here | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +2 | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | remember... TEST | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Irish Cream! | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-01-16.02.html | 16:34 |
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| garyk | anyone around for the vmware meeting | 17:04 |
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| tjones | oops | 17:07 |
| tjones | sorry | 17:07 |
| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 17:07:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:07 |
| tjones | anyone here? besides garyk? | 17:07 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:07 |
| garyk | tjones: it seems to just be the 2 of us | 17:07 |
| tflower | o/ | 17:07 |
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| mateescu | o/ | 17:07 |
| garyk | three :) | 17:07 |
| garyk | 4 | 17:08 |
| tjones | hee hee | 17:08 |
| tjones | ok good - short meeting :-) | 17:08 |
| tjones | #topic kilo summit | 17:08 |
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| tjones | so here is the summit topic eitherpad for nova https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 17:08 |
| tjones | that's really just FYI for us | 17:09 |
| tjones | i've added a topic for vmwarepi roadmap as usual | 17:09 |
| tjones | then here is our etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo | 17:09 |
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| tjones | it seems really light to me | 17:11 |
| thangp | mhmm | 17:11 |
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| tjones | though considering how many BP actually land.... | 17:11 |
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| thangp | a side note, what's the plan for vmware standard/distributed vswitch support? | 17:13 |
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| tjones | garyk: ^^ | 17:14 |
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| thangp | in nova today, nova network uses it, but in neutron, i have only read that it supports nsx | 17:14 |
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| tjones | i believe that neutron does support vds but hoping garyk will confirm | 17:15 |
| thangp | ah ok...could you point me to the doc/wiki? | 17:15 |
| garyk | tjones: we are in the process of working on a NSXv oplugin. | 17:16 |
| garyk | guys from IBM proposed the ~DVS support | 17:16 |
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| thangp | so DVS is not officially supported yet? | 17:16 |
| garyk | we have an open spec. i'll try and find the links | 17:16 |
| thangp | ok | 17:16 |
| garyk | thangp: not as a neutron plugin | 17:16 |
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| thangp | ok thx | 17:17 |
| garyk | there was work done in Juno, but it was bumped to Kilo | 17:17 |
| garyk | sorry, but i need to leave. humble apologies | 17:17 |
| thangp | :( well, hopefully nova-network doesnt go away too soon | 17:17 |
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| tjones | yeah | 17:17 |
| thangp | garyk: np | 17:17 |
| tjones | anything else on kilo? | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:18 |
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| thangp | is there still refactoring work going on for vmware? | 17:18 |
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| tjones | there are still some reviews outstanding | 17:18 |
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| tjones | but the bulk of the work is done | 17:19 |
| thangp | ok | 17:19 |
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| tjones | matt booth has something called refactor-cleanup | 17:20 |
| thangp | ok, just wondering how much churn is still left for it | 17:20 |
| tflower | thangp: here is a spec for DVS support in Neutron if that helps: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101124/ | 17:20 |
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| tjones | still some - not a ton though | 17:21 |
| thangp | tflower, thx | 17:21 |
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| tflower | thangp: NP | 17:22 |
| tjones | ok i don't have anything else - short meeting today?? | 17:22 |
| thangp | none for me :) | 17:22 |
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| tflower | I didn't have anything either - anyone know if Arnaud is away? | 17:23 |
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| tjones | I think he is around | 17:23 |
| tjones | he sits 2 offices away from me | 17:23 |
| tflower | ah ok, was just hoping to connect with him about that multi-disk blueprint | 17:24 |
| tjones | i don't see him right now | 17:24 |
| tflower | I sent him an email the other day, haven't managed to catch him on IRC | 17:24 |
| tjones | i'll ping him when i see him | 17:25 |
| tflower | thanks, I appreciate it :) | 17:25 |
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| tjones | ok im going to end the meeting now | 17:27 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 17:27:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-01-17.07.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-01-17.07.txt | 17:28 |
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| tflower | thanks, bye | 17:28 |
| thangp | thanks | 17:28 |
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