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krotscheck | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 15:00:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
NikitaKonovalov | hi | 15:00 |
krotscheck | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
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krotscheck | ARGH | 15:00 |
krotscheck | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
krotscheck | There we go | 15:00 |
krotscheck | Hey there, NikitaKonovalov! | 15:00 |
krotscheck | Anyone else here? | 15:01 |
* fungi lurks | 15:01 | |
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fungi | jeblair is i believe still travelling this week | 15:01 |
krotscheck | Ok, let’s get started. | 15:01 |
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ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
krotscheck | #topic Urgent: CORS support | 15:01 |
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krotscheck | It all landed! | 15:02 |
fungi | so storyboard is all CORSican now | 15:02 |
krotscheck | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/22/125222/1/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/19d67a2/dist/#!/ | 15:02 |
krotscheck | The docs draft build is now fully functional, meaning that ttx doesn’t have to download and run the build anymore to check out new UI things. | 15:02 |
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ttx | krotscheck: so how do you use it ? | 15:02 |
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fungi | browse to the docs-draft job result if it succeeded | 15:03 |
krotscheck | ttx: When you go to a code review, look for gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft | 15:03 |
ttx | I tried a few shots in the dark but I assumed I may need that review I blocked | 15:03 |
krotscheck | Click on that. | 15:03 |
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krotscheck | ttx: It builds off of that patch, so the one you blocked is the first one that actually works. | 15:03 |
ttx | ooooh | 15:04 |
ttx | shiny | 15:04 |
krotscheck | I thought you’d like that :) | 15:04 |
ttx | I don't even have to grunt anymore | 15:04 |
krotscheck | Oddly enough, in doing this we’ve also enabled iterative ui reviews for the UX people :) | 15:04 |
krotscheck | Yeah, leave the grunt-ing to the professionals. | 15:04 |
krotscheck | :D | 15:04 |
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krotscheck | Any questions before we move on? | 15:05 |
ttx | really nice work | 15:05 |
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ttx | removes all the friction, no excuse to not check out the effect anymore | 15:05 |
krotscheck | Eeexactly. | 15:05 |
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krotscheck | Also, we’ll know very quickly whether the code breaks something. | 15:05 |
krotscheck | Mind you, it’ll cause a bit of a lag where the webclient can only show something if the APi supports it, but I’m ok with that. | 15:06 |
krotscheck | #topic Urgent: Subscription patches | 15:06 |
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ttx | krotscheck: I'll review them now that I know how to do it. | 15:06 |
krotscheck | So, subscription’s been in a delay-oh-we-need-this-too loop for a while now. | 15:06 |
fungi | we should add a similar draft job for openstack-infra/publications | 15:06 |
ttx | probably tomorrow morning though | 15:07 |
krotscheck | The most recent item is nibalizer actually finding a bug in puppet-storyboard, which is fixed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126072/ | 15:07 |
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krotscheck | As best as I can figure, the first two items listed in the agenda need to land in order. The two storyboard-webclient items already build on API’s that are there, but won’t do much until the other two land. | 15:08 |
krotscheck | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:08 |
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krotscheck | fungi: If possible, I’d like to grab you or clarkb this afternoon to keep an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124884/ wihle it lands. | 15:09 |
krotscheck | And that will wrap it for subscriptions. | 15:09 |
krotscheck | Any questions? | 15:09 |
fungi | krotscheck: happy to help... i'm open after lunch | 15:09 |
ttx | nope | 15:09 |
krotscheck | fungi: Ditto :). Let’s make a date! | 15:10 |
krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Story Types | 15:10 |
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krotscheck | ttx: Take it away! | 15:10 |
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ttx | well, hrm | 15:11 |
ttx | was a bit busy with all those RC1s last week | 15:11 |
ttx | so didn't draft anything | 15:11 |
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krotscheck | Alrighey | 15:11 |
krotscheck | #topic Discussion: New topics? | 15:11 |
ttx | I hope, but I'm not sure, that this week will be less busy | 15:11 |
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krotscheck | Anyone have anything new? | 15:12 |
NikitaKonovalov | I've updated my tags patch | 15:12 |
ttx | Merge avalanche with the unblocking of the head patch | 15:12 |
NikitaKonovalov | so it now is able to return tags in GET for stories | 15:12 |
krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Jenkins seems to not like that patch. | 15:12 |
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NikitaKonovalov | I know | 15:13 |
NikitaKonovalov | will try to fix that | 15:13 |
krotscheck | Alrightey. | 15:13 |
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krotscheck | Anything else? | 15:14 |
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* krotscheck will see if he can figure out why it’s failing. | 15:14 | |
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NikitaKonovalov | there is something wrong eith migration on tags | 15:15 |
NikitaKonovalov | with* | 15:15 |
krotscheck | Yeah, looks like. | 15:15 |
krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Maybe SQLAlchemy doesn’t like list-based associations when a story has no tags? | 15:16 |
NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: probably | 15:16 |
NikitaKonovalov | one more question on tags, btw | 15:17 |
krotscheck | Go for it. | 15:17 |
NikitaKonovalov | given the list of tags, should we query using ALL or ANY of them | 15:17 |
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NikitaKonovalov | that is what actually ttx is asking for in that CR also | 15:18 |
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krotscheck | Hrm. Good question. | 15:19 |
fungi | sounds like an excuse for a search grammar | 15:19 |
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NikitaKonovalov | we can have both queries actually | 15:19 |
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fungi | (since there is in fact a third possible behavior besides the two you mention there) | 15:19 |
krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Tags | 15:20 |
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krotscheck | fungi: What’s the third option? | 15:20 |
fungi | tags where (a and b) or c | 15:21 |
fungi | et cetera | 15:21 |
fungi | but as i said, you'd need a grammar | 15:21 |
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fungi | not sure it's worth the effort to implement | 15:22 |
NikitaKonovalov | the query language makes sense if tags can be put into conditions along with other story fields | 15:22 |
krotscheck | Well, coming from the UI side of things I feel that we should try one, see if it works, try the other if it doesn’t work, and then if THAT doesn’t work, go for plan C. | 15:23 |
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NikitaKonovalov | I prefer to filter with a kind of logical AND operation | 15:24 |
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NikitaKonovalov | so more tags means narrow result set | 15:24 |
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krotscheck | Makes sense. | 15:25 |
fungi | yeah, if there's already a syntax planned for logic operations, then reusing that with tags as search parameters seems reasonable | 15:25 |
krotscheck | Anyone disagree with trying that as plan A? | 15:25 |
fungi | sure, implicit exclusive and/intersection of results | 15:25 |
ttx | no that's fine | 15:26 |
krotscheck | Alright! | 15:26 |
krotscheck | Any more discussion topics? | 15:26 |
NikitaKonovalov | do we have anything StoryBoard relates at summit? | 15:27 |
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krotscheck | #topic Discussion: StoryBoard | 15:27 |
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krotscheck | Sorry | 15:27 |
krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Summit | 15:27 |
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krotscheck | Right, so there’s an infra etherpad of all kinds of things that we might want to talk about at the summit. | 15:28 |
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* krotscheck is trying to find the link. Any help there, fungi? | 15:28 | |
fungi | coming right up | 15:28 |
ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 15:29 |
ttx | I win | 15:29 |
krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 15:29 |
fungi | ttx: wins | 15:29 |
krotscheck | DOH | 15:29 |
krotscheck | From what I understand, infra only has 4 slots. | 15:29 |
krotscheck | Oh, that’s in the etherpad. | 15:30 |
krotscheck | Anyway, I’ve put StoryBoard up because it’s likely to start impacting other projects during the kilo cycle. | 15:30 |
krotscheck | And a lot of people will have questions. | 15:30 |
fungi | it seems like a reasonable one for the schedule, i agree | 15:30 |
krotscheck | Furthermore, I’m doing a 5 minute Lightning StoryBoard Walkthrough on monday at the HP Lightning Talks. | 15:31 |
krotscheck | And hopefully will again be able to do UX testing. | 15:31 |
krotscheck | Speaking of which: ttx - who do I talk to for space on that? | 15:31 |
ttx | krotscheck: you could ask claire@o.o -- but I wouldn't hold high hopes. ATL had plenty of spare space | 15:32 |
ttx | Paris, not so much | 15:33 |
ttx | I know there isn't spare space on the Design Summit area for example | 15:33 |
krotscheck | ttx: Will there be breakout space? | 15:33 |
* krotscheck really only needs a power supply. | 15:33 | |
* fungi is reminded, should start an ml thread about key signing activity at the summit | 15:33 | |
ttx | there is a developer lounge with corners in it | 15:33 |
krotscheck | That should do. | 15:34 |
ttx | ok, then you should be good | 15:34 |
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krotscheck | One more thing. Is there anything trademarkish that would prevent me from printing up a t-shirt that says “Ask Me About StoryBoard”? | 15:34 |
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fungi | no | 15:35 |
krotscheck | Cool. | 15:35 |
fungi | put "storyboard" on as many tee shirts as you like | 15:35 |
krotscheck | fungi: By what point will we know whether StoryBoard will be on the agenda so we can talk about what _actually_ to talk about? | 15:35 |
* krotscheck loves having conversations about conversations. | 15:36 | |
fungi | krotscheck: after jeblair returns... i'm not going to make those decisions while he's travelling, would rather he as ptl did so upon his return | 15:36 |
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krotscheck | kk | 15:37 |
krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Subscriptions | 15:37 |
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krotscheck | So, subscriptions are (hopefully) three patches away from landing. | 15:37 |
krotscheck | woo! | 15:37 |
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krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Project Groups | 15:38 |
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krotscheck | A bit of an update here. I got sick and tired of having to reboot the storyboard api server to work on API things, so I went in a refactored our functional tests to allow us to simulate an actual user via the Auth Header. | 15:38 |
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krotscheck | That’s this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125816/ | 15:39 |
krotscheck | And, well, while doing that I found a bug, which I also fixed in that. | 15:39 |
krotscheck | Now I’m building out functional tests for project groups, projects, stories, and tasks, so that we have coverage on discoverability across the API. | 15:40 |
krotscheck | As a side effect of that we’ll get the ability to search on project groups on all of those resources. | 15:40 |
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krotscheck | But it’s going a bit slower than expected as a result. | 15:40 |
mordred | woot | 15:40 |
mordred | well, testing is good | 15:40 |
krotscheck | Right. | 15:41 |
krotscheck | My hope is to get projects and tasks done this week, but no guarantees on that. | 15:41 |
krotscheck | The goal is to have “Project Group: Foo” be one of the search tags. | 15:42 |
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mordred | I believe I'd be likely to use that a lot | 15:42 |
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krotscheck | Any questions? | 15:42 |
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krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Tags | 15:43 |
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krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Anything new? | 15:43 |
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krotscheck | (Other than what was discussed earlier? | 15:43 |
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krotscheck | I’ll take that as a no. | 15:45 |
krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1: Emails | 15:45 |
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krotscheck | Progress! | 15:45 |
krotscheck | Last week I replaced the hard-coded deferred processors with a stevedore-run plugin system. | 15:46 |
krotscheck | Patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125504/ | 15:46 |
krotscheck | The intent here is that emails will also be a plugin. | 15:46 |
mordred | ooh | 15:47 |
krotscheck | So an event arrives, we process subscriptions, we figure out which email it goes into, and then we move on to the next one. | 15:47 |
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* mordred likely | 15:47 | |
mordred | likey | 15:47 |
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krotscheck | And since it’s stevedore, I may have also just allowed infra to go write it’s own third party plugins to integrate with zuul, gerrit, yadda yadda yadda. | 15:47 |
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* mordred likes the "handle" method | 15:48 | |
krotscheck | But I guess the real point here is that I’ve paved the way for emails. | 15:49 |
mordred | yah. like it. so each event gets passed to handle as a json blob? | 15:49 |
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krotscheck | yep, that’s the idea. | 15:50 |
krotscheck | And then the plugin can figure out what it wants to do. | 15:50 |
krotscheck | The enable method is there so that plugins can trigger themselves based on their own configuration. Say you have an email plugin but no smtp server, etc. | 15:51 |
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krotscheck | Anyway, taht’s the update on emails. Any questions? | 15:52 |
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krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:53 |
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* krotscheck has already discussed everything. | 15:53 | |
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krotscheck | Anyone else? | 15:54 |
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ttx | nope | 15:55 |
krotscheck | Alrightey, thanks everyone! | 15:55 |
krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 15:55:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-10-06-15.00.html | 15:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-10-06-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
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NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 16:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
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NikolayM | ok, let's start our meeting | 16:01 |
NikolayM | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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NikolayM | I remember we have no action items on our previous meeting | 16:02 |
NikolayM | done :) | 16:02 |
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NikolayM | #topic Current status | 16:03 |
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NikolayM | guys, anyone else here? | 16:04 |
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NikolayM | last week we did a plan on 0.2 release | 16:05 |
NikolayM | there are list of blueprints that you can see here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-0.2-planning | 16:06 |
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NikolayM | from my side: I did a simple task affinity feature, fixed some bugs related to dataflow | 16:07 |
dzimine | hi folks sorry i'm a bit late | 16:07 |
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NikolayM | and also made it possible to see all action-parameters (especially, openstack-actions) | 16:08 |
NikolayM | hi dzimine! | 16:08 |
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NikolayM | Renat is not with us today | 16:09 |
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dzimine | my status: I cleaned up and updated sphinx docs, moved DSL docs under there. | 16:09 |
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dzimine | almost finished making API v2 docs there two, but got puzzled on what is the "new right openstack way" of doing the API docs. | 16:10 |
dzimine | seems like noone longer makes API docs part of their pecan project. | 16:10 |
dzimine | But still it's better and more appropriate than wiki. | 16:11 |
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NikolayM | ok, the next topic is open discussion | 16:13 |
NikolayM | #topic Open discussion | 16:13 |
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NikolayM | today I had the discussion with Renat | 16:14 |
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NikolayM | about join-control and resume | 16:14 |
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dzimine | ok, intertesting | 16:15 |
NikolayM | I'll write info about ideas and part of implementation on etherpad soon | 16:15 |
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NikolayM | And also we had discussion about dataflow-collections | 16:17 |
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NikolayM | I'll write it also | 16:18 |
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NikolayM | but not today, maybe tomorrow | 16:18 |
NikolayM | ok, dzimine, would you like to discuss something? | 16:18 |
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dzimine | on my side: will we use the sphinx docs over the wiki for reference docs? I think it makes sense - docs evolve with the code, we can version and ship it, etc. | 16:20 |
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NikolayM | yes, I think yes | 16:20 |
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dzimine | and that's it, I'll finish up the docs today so we have API ref and DSL ref in mistral/doc | 16:20 |
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NikolayM | we built them somehow, I remember | 16:20 |
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dzimine | they're built yes now I am figuring to host them and refer from wiki, etc, if needed. | 16:22 |
NikolayM | And it will be great to have the docs out the box :) | 16:23 |
NikolayM | do you mean readthedocs? | 16:23 |
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dzimine | yes. | 16:26 |
dzimine | apparently there's a jenkins job can be configured to post it there. | 16:27 |
dzimine | will need to ask around - NikolayM, may be there are guys around you who had done that before? | 16:27 |
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dzimine | I'll look at it once the content is in place. Hints appreciated. | 16:28 |
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NikolayM | yes, I try to resolve this question | 16:29 |
dzimine | ok, nothing more on my side. | 16:29 |
NikolayM | let's wrap up :) | 16:29 |
NikolayM | bye dzimine! | 16:29 |
NikolayM | oops | 16:29 |
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dzimine | bye! | 16:30 |
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NikolayM | #action nmakhotkin: ask guys about the building docs | 16:30 |
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NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 16:31:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-10-06-16.00.html | 16:31 |
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sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 17:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:00 |
sarob | hello hello | 17:00 |
dbite | hello | 17:00 |
rluethi | hey | 17:00 |
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sayali | hello | 17:01 |
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sarob | #topic docs | 17:02 |
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matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
dbite | hello matjazp | 17:02 |
rluethi | hi matjazp | 17:02 |
MeganR | Hello | 17:02 |
sarob | evening matjazp | 17:02 |
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rluethi | ...and MeganR :) | 17:03 |
dbite | More fixes coming up this month. I am fixing the XML syntax to bring it up to the level of other documentation projects | 17:03 |
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dbite | I think that is it for docs this time | 17:03 |
sarob | cool | 17:04 |
sarob | anyone else? | 17:04 |
dbite | any questions/suggestions/new contributors? | 17:04 |
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sarob | im eager to discuss user group training | 17:05 |
sarob | unless a new contributor has a question | 17:05 |
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sarob | #topic user group training | 17:05 |
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dbite | should we keep user group training for the extras section? | 17:05 |
dbite | rather than discuss in docs? | 17:05 |
sarob | i just changed the topic | 17:06 |
dbite | ahh :) | 17:06 |
rluethi | what is user group training? | 17:06 |
sarob | unless you need more time | 17:06 |
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dbite | no I am good | 17:06 |
sarob | cool | 17:06 |
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sarob | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-October/005274.html | 17:06 |
sarob | now that i am mostly moved over in my new digs | 17:07 |
sarob | i have some time and new people to work with | 17:07 |
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sarob | the general idea is that we run the associates training | 17:08 |
dbite | yep, good news | 17:08 |
sarob | in between the summits to start | 17:08 |
dbite | also more feedback from the trainers for keeping the content quality better | 17:09 |
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sarob | we attract trainers to help out | 17:09 |
sarob | dbite, yeah def | 17:09 |
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sarob | it will help us fine tune the great body of work that we have to work with | 17:09 |
sarob | work out bugs faster | 17:09 |
sarob | get new contributors | 17:10 |
sarob | i have 3-4 people willing to help run a 2 hour training session in the SF bay area | 17:10 |
sarob | i have a proposed schedule in the email linked above | 17:11 |
MeganR | That is great - then are you looking to expand to other meet-ups throughout the country? | 17:11 |
dbite | if possible we need 1-2 regular contributors for docs sub-team too | 17:11 |
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sarob | meganr yes very much so | 17:11 |
MeganR | sarob, this looks great | 17:11 |
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sarob | meganr ;) | 17:12 |
matjazp | sarob: looks promising | 17:12 |
sarob | sooo, i see some stuff that needs to be prioritized IF we as a team want to support this | 17:12 |
sarob | think of it as our coming out party | 17:12 |
sayali | sounds good sarob :) | 17:13 |
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matjazp | btw guys, we could also discuss this at the summit? | 17:14 |
sarob | first up, can I get a sense of what the team thinks of this as one of our priorities for the next cycle? | 17:14 |
sarob | matjazp: def | 17:14 |
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sarob | let me put this a different way | 17:15 |
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sarob | i would let to set our kilo priorities as | 17:15 |
sarob | 1: current with juno release | 17:16 |
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sarob | 2: audio visual tools and videos | 17:16 |
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sarob | 3: running the associate training guide in the user groups | 17:17 |
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sarob | 4: coordinating the training guides with the upstream training | 17:17 |
sarob | off the top of my head | 17:17 |
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sarob | im not asking for a vote or anything | 17:18 |
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sarob | just throughing it out there for discussion | 17:18 |
dbite | I think first we need to come up with a model for releases | 17:18 |
matjazp | I think #4 is already starting to branch.. we update/cleanup their content.. do they use training-guides repo or their own? | 17:18 |
dbite | for instance which release should we work while in the current release cycle | 17:18 |
dbite | should we be one release behind ? or follow the current release while developing the content | 17:19 |
matjazp | rluethi: scripts are implicit :) | 17:19 |
rluethi | matjazp: I don't like being implicit :). | 17:19 |
annegentle | I think video is farther down the road in priorities, get your docs and script house in order | 17:20 |
sarob | matjazp, rluethi: infra is required for our success | 17:20 |
matjazp | rluethi: hehehe... yes, true :) | 17:20 |
annegentle | dbite: I would advise one release behind for your audience (unless your target audience changes to devs) | 17:20 |
sarob | annegentle: the numbers are meant as priority | 17:20 |
annegentle | sarob: saying 2 for video should be more like 5 | 17:21 |
dbite | annegentle: yes I was asking for everyones views on this | 17:21 |
sarob | annegentle s/are/are not/ | 17:21 |
dbite | thanks for the suggestion :) | 17:21 |
annegentle | sarob: ah :) | 17:21 |
annegentle | sarob: that not makes a big difference | 17:21 |
rluethi | annegentle: at least with the scripts we need to track the openstack-manuals trunk or they will become useless for doc authors. | 17:21 |
sarob | annegentle always does ;) | 17:21 |
dbite | sarob: I am working on the infra part, infact here is the first patch to automate upstream-training builds https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/ | 17:22 |
sarob | rluethi very true | 17:22 |
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sarob | dbite nice | 17:22 |
dbite | annegentle: the scripts should be good tools for install guides team | 17:23 |
dbite | what do you think? | 17:23 |
annegentle | rluethi: okay... but even devstack has a stable/<relname> branch each release | 17:23 |
sarob | okay lets get back to the topic | 17:23 |
rluethi | annegentle: understood. | 17:23 |
dbite | and we had an argument about openstack multinode not running on VirtualBox, the scripts will install openstack on multinode env. using virtualbox | 17:24 |
sarob | i messed it up by listing stuff | 17:24 |
dbite | and it works fine | 17:24 |
annegentle | dbite: honestly it's early to say | 17:24 |
annegentle | dbite: rluethi: can't wait to see what people do with the scripts | 17:24 |
sarob | annegentle agreed scripts are pretty awesome | 17:25 |
annegentle | sarob: you have quite good contributor numbers this release, with many training-focused people in the top ten for docs | 17:25 |
sarob | soo the user group training topic | 17:25 |
sarob | annegentle, the team is amazing agreed ;) | 17:25 |
sarob | so team. we will continue to discuss our priorities for the summit | 17:26 |
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rluethi | sarob: do we have a meeting in paris scheduled? | 17:27 |
sarob | are we generally in favor of my user group training plan here #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-October/005274.html ? | 17:27 |
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dbite | yes, I in favour | 17:28 |
dbite | *I am | 17:28 |
MeganR | yes | 17:28 |
sarob | rluethi: session not settled yet | 17:29 |
rluethi | actually, "a laptop with enough mem or disk" should not be hard to come by. | 17:29 |
ShillaSaebi | agree yes | 17:29 |
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rluethi | RAM requirements: 4 GB for the cluster | 17:29 |
sayali | me too | 17:29 |
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matjazp | sarob: can we make a session on Thursday? | 17:29 |
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annegentle | sarob: for docs, we have cross project and a pod | 17:29 |
dbite | sarob: our requirements are 4GB/ i5 machine | 17:29 |
dbite | it should/may work on i3 | 17:29 |
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matjazp | sarob: I have some logistic problems and will have to go back on Friday morning | 17:29 |
sarob | annegentle: okay, i need to work out a session slot with you this week if poss | 17:30 |
dbite | sarob: ok, my time is quite flexible throughout the week | 17:30 |
dbite | so I guess we give preference to matjazp | 17:30 |
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sarob | dbite, matjazp okay , fri is out, so summit session prefered tue to thur | 17:31 |
annegentle | sarob: right, looks like you need the pod Thursday then | 17:31 |
matjazp | so Mo-Th is prefered | 17:31 |
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sarob | matjazp mon is slammed for me already :( | 17:32 |
sarob | annegentle thursday looks good | 17:32 |
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matjazp | sarob: we can use doodle? everyone enters appropriate slots.. | 17:33 |
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sarob | action sarob create a training guides kilo summit doodle for design session slot options | 17:33 |
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sarob | #action sarob create a training guides kilo summit doodle for design session slot options | 17:34 |
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sarob | #action sarob start the etherpad on training guides kilo release cycle priorities and design session topics | 17:35 |
sarob | lets talk scripts shall we? | 17:35 |
annegentle | sarob: we have the Documentation etherpad here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit | 17:35 |
sarob | annegentle: cool, I will just add another section then | 17:36 |
sarob | #undo | 17:36 |
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sarob | #action sarob update Documentation etherpad here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit with priorities and topics | 17:37 |
sarob | #topic infra | 17:37 |
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dbite | as stated earlier, custom builds/tests are on the way | 17:39 |
dbite | I have started with building upstream training content | 17:39 |
dbite | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246 | 17:39 |
rluethi | scripts are usable now. I have some patches pending, but there are no major bugs as of now. | 17:39 |
dbite | please clone this patch and run $tox | 17:39 |
dbite | and you can have the HTML and PDF under upstream-training/target/ folder | 17:40 |
dbite | for now the patch will have to wait till we clear our a few dependencies with infra project | 17:40 |
sarob | that would be awesome if reed can reference the repo during the pre summit training | 17:41 |
dbite | yes | 17:41 |
dbite | he can definatly do that | 17:41 |
reed | sarob, in what sense 'reference'? | 17:41 |
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dbite | reed: use the repo directly for presenting | 17:41 |
reed | dbite, that's the intention, yes | 17:42 |
dbite | generating the ppts in the repo using the tools | 17:42 |
sarob | dbite reed yup | 17:42 |
dbite | reed: I think you will love the patch in that case :) | 17:42 |
dbite | the pdf files do not have the background theme, I will be working on it a bit later if that is ok with you | 17:42 |
rluethi | we will have zip/tgz files with the labs directory content, hopefully in the not too distant future (also depending on how urgent people feel it is) | 17:42 |
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dbite | I have one question regarding the upstream-training content which directly impacts infra | 17:43 |
dbite | how do we expose the html and pdf files on docs.openstack.org/training-guides ?? | 17:43 |
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dbite | and suggestions/solutions? | 17:43 |
matjazp | rluethi: what about DL of prepared images? we talked about that few moths back... | 17:43 |
matjazp | *months | 17:43 |
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reed | dbite, indeed, cool stuff. I am issuing a call for help with the html theme | 17:44 |
dbite | matjazp: I think it is better not to prepackage Images | 17:44 |
dbite | reed: sure :) | 17:44 |
matjazp | dbite: why? | 17:44 |
dbite | we do not have the resources (h/w limitations) | 17:44 |
dbite | and its more easier to build the scripts | 17:44 |
sarob | if we continue on the creating slides from script theme | 17:45 |
dbite | we need jenkins jobs, someone has to verify the images etc. etc. | 17:45 |
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sarob | then perhaps we could start making it user configurable | 17:45 |
sarob | and saving the user configured for others to reuse | 17:45 |
rluethi | matjazp: we can still do it. the problem is exporting/importing the cluster, in particular network configuration. do you have a solution for that? | 17:46 |
matjazp | rluethi: hmm... Vagrant? | 17:46 |
matjazp | rluethi: oh.. you mean automatic export of netw? | 17:46 |
rluethi | matjazp: I am seriously considering dropping Vagrant altogether. It has too many limitations. | 17:46 |
rluethi | matjazp: plus nobody seemed to be using it. | 17:47 |
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matjazp | rluethi: netw conf is more or less static, right? we could manually create proper netw config with Vagrant (or batch), and DL already prepared images | 17:49 |
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rluethi | matjazp: I am a bit skeptical, because I am trying to reduce complexity, but I'd be happy to discuss this with you. | 17:50 |
matjazp | rluethi: ok | 17:50 |
dbite | matjazp: let us discuss this over the summit, what do you think? | 17:50 |
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matjazp | sure... I'm all for it | 17:51 |
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dbite | matjazp: you will loose snapshots and other issues which we face | 17:51 |
matjazp | dbite: yes, I know | 17:51 |
dbite | with bundled images | 17:51 |
dbite | if we make the scripts 100% (near) reliable | 17:51 |
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sarob | dbite will do when i get into the office | 17:51 |
rluethi | matjazp: for instance, rebooting during provisioning is sort of lacking in Vagrant | 17:52 |
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dbite | sarob: you need to run the scripts, they are awesome | 17:52 |
sarob | dbite :) | 17:52 |
dbite | sarob: :) | 17:52 |
matjazp | rluethi: hmmm.. there seems to be some workarounds | 17:53 |
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matjazp | rluethi: but yes... maybe the added complexity is not worth it | 17:54 |
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sarob | time check peoples | 17:55 |
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sarob | #topic any other business to discuss | 17:55 |
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sarob | i have started placing items into #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit | 17:56 |
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sarob | i guess i got everyone onto the etherpad :) | 17:58 |
dbite | :D | 17:58 |
sarob | i will call this latest version of the training guides team meeting at a close | 17:59 |
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MeganR | Have a good week! | 17:59 |
sarob | thanks for all your hard work | 17:59 |
sarob | cheers! | 17:59 |
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dbite | bye | 17:59 |
sayali | Bye | 17:59 |
sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 18:00:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-06-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-06-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-06-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 18:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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krtaylor | anyone here for third-party ? | 18:01 |
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patrickeast | i am | 18:01 |
bmwiedemann | and I | 18:01 |
sweston | Greetings! | 18:01 |
kevinbenton | o/ | 18:01 |
ociuhandu | i am | 18:01 |
ociuhandu | hello all | 18:01 |
krtaylor | hi everyone | 18:01 |
luqas | hi | 18:01 |
krtaylor | welcome! | 18:02 |
krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | and here is the agenda: | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#10.2F06.2F14 | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | ok so review time | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | the only one was mine | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | I did basically distill all the later ideas I had, plus the ones earlier, it really boils down to how do we get CI ops to be better community citizens | 18:04 |
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krtaylor | and have checks for making sure that happens | 18:04 |
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krtaylor | so I added a line to the infra eitherpad | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | here is a link to the etherpad we created | 18:05 |
krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 18:05 |
krtaylor | and a link to the infra one for summit: | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 18:06 |
krtaylor | oops | 18:06 |
krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 18:06 |
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krtaylor | so, I am not suggesting that this is the only summit topic to come out of that list | 18:06 |
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krtaylor | but, I got to thinking about what anteaya said, about how many of these items could be started with a patch set | 18:07 |
krtaylor | and that really trims it down a bit | 18:07 |
anteaya | great | 18:07 |
krtaylor | any comments or concerns? | 18:07 |
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anteaya | are we ready to address the third party etherpad? | 18:08 |
anteaya | and bring it into organization? | 18:08 |
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anteaya | or do we think that there are more ideas to come? | 18:08 |
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krtaylor | good question, but I have not seen any new ideas since mine, anyone? | 18:08 |
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kevinbenton | what does “policy on developers as operators?” refer to? | 18:09 |
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anteaya | kevinbenton: which line? | 18:09 |
kevinbenton | 39 | 18:09 |
kevinbenton | of kilo-third-party-items | 18:09 |
krtaylor | well, thats my spin on operators being more involved | 18:09 |
anteaya | thanks | 18:09 |
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krtaylor | it is a bit heavy handed, and not enforceable | 18:10 |
kevinbenton | do you mean operators as developers? | 18:10 |
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bmwiedemann | so operators should have signed the CLA? | 18:10 |
krtaylor | yes, except that they become openstack developers first | 18:11 |
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krtaylor | yeah, I guess that is where I was headed, how can they give back without it? | 18:11 |
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kevinbenton | ok, i’m +1 for that. it’s very useful even for the operators to understand the workflow that devs go through | 18:12 |
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sweston | Yes, I had something to add here ... other projects have launchpad pages for tracking bugs, including categories such as "low hanging fruit", which would be a good place for folks to get involved. Has there been any discussion on setting something like this up for third party CI? | 18:12 |
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krtaylor | yes, its infra | 18:12 |
kevinbenton | i like the idea of getting a service account requiring a patch as well | 18:13 |
bmwiedemann | krtaylor: CI operators could give back without CLA by supplying useful testing results | 18:13 |
sweston | I understand, but there is no separation for third party items, as far as I know, is there? | 18:13 |
krtaylor | kevinbenton, I suggested that we use a patch to be a request for service account, others have as well | 18:13 |
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kevinbenton | krtaylor: right. I was referring to your entry on the etherpad | 18:14 |
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kevinbenton | isn’t a CLA required just to post results anyway? | 18:14 |
krtaylor | yeah, thats a grey area | 18:14 |
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* krtaylor not a lawyer | 18:14 | |
anteaya | kevinbenton: the CLA is not required for a gerrit third party account | 18:15 |
kevinbenton | anteaya: oh okay. i didn’t realize that | 18:15 |
anteaya | glad you asked | 18:16 |
* bmwiedemann remembers that gettings these CLAs signed in big corporations can easily take some months | 18:16 | |
krtaylor | but, it could be? but then how would the service and a developer be linked? | 18:16 |
anteaya | they aren't | 18:16 |
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anteaya | a gerrit third party account is not linked to a particular dev | 18:16 |
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anteaya | it is linked to an ssh key | 18:17 |
anteaya | the holder of the private key has access to the account | 18:17 |
anteaya | also | 18:17 |
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ociuhandu | krtaylor: I think it should not, as there cen be multiple operators and then it’s going to be problematic which operator/developer account is linked to a third-party ci gerrit account | 18:17 |
anteaya | the CLA does not have to be a part of this discussion | 18:17 |
krtaylor | honestly, a CI operator really has to be a developer, it requires such a high level of commitment | 18:17 |
anteaya | since there are some repos that do not require a cla | 18:17 |
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anteaya | I'm behind the operator has to at least understand the dev workflow direction | 18:18 |
anteaya | and it is possible to accomplish that without requiring clas | 18:18 |
anteaya | as long as the repo does not require a cla to post a commit to it | 18:19 |
krtaylor | I guess so, hm, but it seems it is a good gesture if they already know the process | 18:19 |
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anteaya | it makes a world of difference to their behaviour and how all third party operators are percieved if they at least have an understanding of what they are doing | 18:20 |
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anteaya | so are we organizing the etherpad for the third party topics? | 18:21 |
anteaya | in order of priority? | 18:21 |
krtaylor | true, I always felt that the very last step of getting CI running and reporting would be to ask for a service account | 18:21 |
anteaya | or are we doing something else? | 18:21 |
anteaya | krtaylor: hindsight | 18:21 |
krtaylor | I took an action to distill into ides for infra | 18:21 |
krtaylor | ideas too | 18:22 |
anteaya | and I wish everyone had that | 18:22 |
anteaya | so what are we doing, organizing the third party etherpad or no? | 18:22 |
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krtaylor | so, we could do an etherpad organize now | 18:22 |
anteaya | okay | 18:22 |
anteaya | so what is a potential top priority item on the etherpad? | 18:23 |
krtaylor | I guess I already voted | 18:23 |
krtaylor | How do we get third-party CI ops to become good infra citizens and contributing developers (krtaylor) | 18:23 |
krtaylor | that is from the infra etherpad | 18:24 |
anteaya | any objections to that being a priority topic? | 18:24 |
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anteaya | speak up if you disagree | 18:24 |
ociuhandu | krtaylor: +1 | 18:25 |
anteaya | krtaylor: please copy/paste it to the priority section | 18:25 |
anteaya | anyone else see an item that they feel should be recognized as priority? | 18:25 |
ociuhandu | Third party CI system realibility | 18:26 |
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anteaya | ociuhandu: I agree with that | 18:26 |
anteaya | any objections to that being another priority item? | 18:26 |
krtaylor | yeah, that is another common theme | 18:26 |
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anteaya | ociuhandu: can you add that to the list of priorities please? | 18:27 |
krtaylor | I see salv-orlando 's ideas as good discussion points for #1 too | 18:27 |
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anteaya | krtaylor: great, we can discuss them with that topic | 18:27 |
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anteaya | anyone see a third item as priority? | 18:27 |
anteaya | from the list on the etherpad? | 18:28 |
krtaylor | self regulating was my last possibility, and what that means, how it could be done | 18:28 |
anteaya | any objection to this being the third priority for the summit session? | 18:28 |
krtaylor | but that kind of relates to good infra citizens | 18:29 |
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anteaya | I think it is separate enough to have its own bullet point | 18:29 |
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krtaylor | fair enough | 18:29 |
anteaya | krtaylor: can you add that as the third item please? | 18:29 |
ociuhandu | just a thought on point 1: I think also documenting on how a third-party CI should be deployed (in order to make sure conrtibutions can easily be sent upstream) would be great and afaik there’s no “step-by-step guide” for this | 18:29 |
anteaya | and I think that is enough for me to go to ttx now and jockey for a spot | 18:29 |
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anteaya | ociuhandu: can you add that down below, under the general section? | 18:30 |
anteaya | ociuhandu: it is a good point and we can discuss that during the point #1 portion | 18:30 |
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anteaya | fair enough? | 18:30 |
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ociuhandu | sure | 18:31 |
anteaya | thanks | 18:31 |
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anteaya | okay thank you, I think I have enough to move on with | 18:31 |
krtaylor | ok, lets move on then | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | nothing in the agenda, any quick announcements? | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | onward then | 18:33 |
krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:33 |
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krtaylor | anteaya, I added you, mainly as a placeholder for a project-config discussion | 18:33 |
anteaya | awesome | 18:34 |
anteaya | I'm a great placeholder | 18:34 |
anteaya | project-config | 18:34 |
anteaya | what shall we talk about? | 18:34 |
krtaylor | I know it was a good thing, but it impacted several systems | 18:34 |
anteaya | yes | 18:34 |
anteaya | there is no way that it couldn't | 18:34 |
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krtaylor | I was hoping some from my team would be here to discuss the impacts we have seen, but they are busy fixing our system :) | 18:35 |
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anteaya | :D | 18:36 |
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krtaylor | but, it might be really good for us to break down the impacts and document them, some of that has already been done | 18:36 |
anteaya | documentation is always good | 18:37 |
anteaya | blog posts are great too | 18:37 |
krtaylor | ++ | 18:37 |
krtaylor | and then the second part of that is heads up on the system-config changes | 18:37 |
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anteaya | heads up | 18:37 |
krtaylor | hehheh, any comments on that? | 18:38 |
anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:config-rename,n,z | 18:38 |
anteaya | there they are, I need to rebase most of the project-config ones | 18:38 |
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anteaya | do review | 18:38 |
anteaya | they will get discussed at tomorrow's infra meeting and hopefully a time set for gerrit to come down, the patches to merge and the rename to happen | 18:39 |
anteaya | there are a bunch of manual changes that have to take place which is why gerrit is down for the rename | 18:39 |
krtaylor | great | 18:39 |
anteaya | we try to select a friday or slow time but that isn't possible anymore | 18:40 |
anteaya | since we have no slow times | 18:40 |
anteaya | just slower times | 18:40 |
anteaya | so someone will be upset | 18:40 |
krtaylor | yes, that would be good to spread out, especially to the teams that don't monitor -infra like they should | 18:40 |
anteaya | we communicate | 18:40 |
krtaylor | (back to the developer discussion) | 18:40 |
anteaya | in the infra meeting and with emails to dev | 18:41 |
anteaya | but someone is always surprised | 18:41 |
krtaylor | yes | 18:41 |
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krtaylor | ok, I think we covered those | 18:41 |
krtaylor | any questions from anyone? | 18:41 |
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krtaylor | the second item we already did, that was topics for infra summit sessions | 18:42 |
krtaylor | anteaya, feel free to edit/overwrite my line in the infra summit etherpad | 18:43 |
* anteaya feels no need to do so at this time | 18:43 | |
krtaylor | fair enough | 18:43 |
krtaylor | onward | 18:44 |
krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:44 |
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krtaylor | nothing here, anyone? | 18:44 |
krtaylor | next | 18:44 |
krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:44 |
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krtaylor | also zilch | 18:44 |
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krtaylor | and finally | 18:45 |
krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:45 |
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krtaylor | the floor is open, anyone? | 18:45 |
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krtaylor | I hope everyone is planning on going to summit | 18:46 |
krtaylor | I'd really like to meet more of you all | 18:46 |
anteaya | the blissful lull of start of Kilo | 18:46 |
krtaylor | hehheh | 18:46 |
anteaya | agreed | 18:46 |
anteaya | who is attending summit | 18:46 |
anteaya | o/ | 18:46 |
sweston | o/ | 18:46 |
krtaylor | o/ | 18:46 |
luqas | o/ | 18:47 |
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anteaya | 4 is a good start | 18:47 |
ociuhandu | will be there | 18:47 |
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anteaya | ociuhandu: great, 5 | 18:47 |
krtaylor | hm, we may have to have a beer and /or lunch design session :) | 18:48 |
bmwiedemann | will be there, too | 18:48 |
anteaya | awesome | 18:48 |
dane_leblanc | Beer? I'll be there. | 18:48 |
ociuhandu | krtaylor: +2 | 18:48 |
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ociuhandu | :) | 18:49 |
anteaya | krtaylor: not a bad idea | 18:49 |
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krtaylor | I'm sure we'd draw some neutron and cinder folks as well | 18:49 |
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krtaylor | anteaya, are there any new CI requirements discussions coming up that you know about? | 18:50 |
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anteaya | krtaylor: I hope not | 18:50 |
krtaylor | other projects | 18:50 |
krtaylor | hehheh | 18:50 |
anteaya | I'll be running around at summit | 18:50 |
anteaya | I'll know more then | 18:50 |
anteaya | the only project I know doing an overhaul is neutron | 18:51 |
krtaylor | yep, keep me posted, I'll sit in on as many as I can | 18:51 |
anteaya | which reminds me I need to attend a meeting and find out more | 18:51 |
krtaylor | we have 3 more meetings then summit | 18:52 |
krtaylor | should we cancel the Nov 3rd meeting? | 18:52 |
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krtaylor | I doubt I'll be available to run it | 18:52 |
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krtaylor | we can discuss that next week | 18:53 |
anteaya | let's cancel the Nov 3 meeting | 18:53 |
anteaya | we will be too busy meeting to have the meeting | 18:53 |
krtaylor | yeah, makes sense | 18:53 |
ociuhandu | anteaya: +1 | 18:53 |
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krtaylor | I'll put it on the meeting page | 18:53 |
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krtaylor | ok, if nothing else, I'll wrap this up early for a change | 18:54 |
anteaya | thanks | 18:54 |
krtaylor | thanks everyone | 18:54 |
krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:54 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 18:54:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:54 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-06-18.00.html | 18:54 |
sweston | thanks | 18:54 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-06-18.00.txt | 18:54 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-06-18.00.log.html | 18:54 |
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ociuhandu | thanks | 18:54 |
ociuhandu | bye all | 18:55 |
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devananda | anyone here for the Ironic meeting? | 18:59 |
dtantsur | o/ | 18:59 |
jroll | \o | 18:59 |
Shrews | \o/ | 18:59 |
adam_g | o/ | 18:59 |
lucasagomes | o/ | 18:59 |
rloo | o/ | 18:59 |
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devananda | great, let's get started | 19:00 |
JayF | \o/ | 19:00 |
devananda | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 19:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
NobodyCam | o/ | 19:00 |
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devananda | as usual, our agenda is on the wiki | 19:00 |
devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:00 |
devananda | #topic announcements | 19:00 |
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devananda | probably something everyone is aware of, but we tagged RC1 last week :) | 19:00 |
NobodyCam | :) w00 h00 | 19:01 |
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devananda | cheers for all the work fixing bugs lately, folks! | 19:01 |
lucasagomes | great! | 19:01 |
devananda | so, until the final release is tagged on Oct 16th, please test it | 19:01 |
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linggao | o/ | 19:02 |
devananda | and if you find bugs that are still release critical, please tag them in LP with "juno-rc-potential" | 19:02 |
devananda | after Oct 16th, the tag will become "juno-backport-potential" | 19:02 |
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devananda | also, Kilo is now open for specs | 19:03 |
devananda | I posted a few changes to the spec template and its unit tests last week | 19:03 |
NobodyCam | :) and the reviews are already underway. very good job to all :) | 19:03 |
devananda | that's the only release announcement from me. I'll save the discussions of summit for the next topics | 19:04 |
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devananda | NobodyCam, lucasagomes: any other annoncements? | 19:04 |
NobodyCam | you covered what I had | 19:04 |
NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
lucasagomes | yeah I think we are good | 19:04 |
lucasagomes | can't think about anything else | 19:04 |
devananda | #topic Juno status | 19:04 |
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devananda | actually I think I just covered this section ... moving on ... | 19:05 |
devananda | #topic Kilo planning | 19:05 |
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devananda | ok! Kilo! so, specs are open :) | 19:05 |
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devananda | let's talk a bit about the summit as we now have more details on the scheduling | 19:05 |
NobodyCam | would love more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126019/ | 19:05 |
devananda | we've got 4 design slots on wed. morning and 1 on thurs. afternoon | 19:06 |
lucasagomes | someone has a link handy to the scheduling? | 19:06 |
adam_g | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 19:06 |
devananda | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 19:06 |
lucasagomes | cheers | 19:06 |
devananda | #link http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/722245d15f368a720d95c9a9bbb77100#.VDLALHWx15Q | 19:06 |
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devananda | and | 19:06 |
devananda | #link http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/10c3a654c250f60b9efc7f18cd7d2cb8#.VDLoSHWx15Q | 19:06 |
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lucasagomes | ouch yeah it conflicts with JayF talks :/ | 19:07 |
devananda | I've asked the organizers to bump JayF's talk so it won't conflict with our sessions | 19:07 |
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devananda | the reschedule tentatively looks good, but not confirmed yet | 19:07 |
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devananda | we also have a slot in the Operator track on Monday, which isn't shown yet on the schedule | 19:08 |
devananda | and a half-day meetup Friday afternoon (again, not shown yet) | 19:08 |
devananda | so | 19:08 |
devananda | I'd like to organize our discussions around that | 19:09 |
devananda | getting operator input Monday, cross project and conference things Tuesday, then most of our sessions on Wednesday | 19:09 |
devananda | and specifically for those things we need to build concensus on | 19:09 |
devananda | like exposing hardware capabilities | 19:09 |
rloo | what is Friday's 'contributors' meetup meant for? | 19:10 |
devananda | rloo: unconference space specifically scheduled for Ironic. we get a room for 3.5hr | 19:10 |
rloo | devananda: thx. a free-for-all then (just joking) | 19:10 |
devananda | we also (like all projects) have a "pod" where we can have unscheduled things | 19:10 |
jroll | read: we all argue about things :) | 19:10 |
devananda | we could just sit together and hack on code | 19:10 |
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devananda | or have tea :) | 19:11 |
wanyen | deva, what ironic related topics/event onTuesday afternoon? | 19:11 |
rloo | and croissants | 19:11 |
lucasagomes | sounds like a sample of a mid-cycle :) | 19:11 |
devananda | wanyen: tuesday there is a talk by jroll in the main conference track (I linked it above) | 19:11 |
devananda | wanyen: our design sessions are on wednesday | 19:12 |
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wanyen | okay. Ihave a brownbag talk on Tuesday afternoon as well | 19:12 |
jroll | wanyen: have a link? | 19:12 |
wanyen | I nned to find it. hold on | 19:12 |
devananda | any questions / thoughts / comments on the summit -- let's start discussing it | 19:13 |
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rloo | devananda: will there be details later wrt what the tues cross-project workshops are? | 19:13 |
devananda | fwiw, for the next two meetings, I expect this to take up a decent chunk of our time | 19:13 |
devananda | rloo: eventually yes. but those might not be set until just a week before the summit | 19:13 |
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NobodyCam | should we add a voting coloum to the spread sheet as to what items we want for out sessions? | 19:14 |
devananda | oh, as a reminder, here's a link to our planning doc | 19:14 |
wanyen | jroll: I don't have a link. it's ILo driver talk at 2:30 pm on Tuesday | 19:14 |
devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=0 | 19:14 |
lucasagomes | right, so we have 4 slots and lot of items in the spreedsheet | 19:14 |
NobodyCam | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=0 | 19:14 |
lucasagomes | we should start voting on them maybe? | 19:14 |
devananda | lucasagomes: 5 slots. 4 are wed. 1 is thurs. (the split is odd...) | 19:14 |
lucasagomes | oh yeah my bad 5 | 19:15 |
devananda | I might have forgotten to say that | 19:15 |
NobodyCam | so vote for your top 8 and we'll take the top 5 | 19:15 |
NobodyCam | ??? | 19:15 |
devananda | vote by adding your name in the "interested" section | 19:15 |
devananda | and keep adding ideas, too | 19:15 |
lucasagomes | right | 19:15 |
wanyen | I plan to enter a few items to the spreadsheet | 19:15 |
lucasagomes | maybe we should merge some of the talks too | 19:16 |
lucasagomes | we did it last summit, if we think that it's small or the topic are related | 19:16 |
NobodyCam | wanyen: please do soon as we are asking folks to vote on items | 19:16 |
devananda | we don't need to settle the schedule until Oct 27, though I'd like to finish it by Oct 25 | 19:16 |
JayF | heh, if putting your name in interested is voting | 19:16 |
JayF | then I need to unvote | 19:16 |
wanyen | when will we start vote on the topics? | 19:16 |
jroll | now? | 19:17 |
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rloo | dumb question. what is the purpose of the 'design' sessions? I don't recall much design stuff from previous summits. | 19:17 |
NobodyCam | yea there are already names in the interested col | 19:17 |
devananda | rloo: right. well. we should be designing things in those meetings | 19:17 |
wanyen | I will enter my topics tonight | 19:17 |
devananda | for example, at the midcycle we discusssed how we might expose hardware / driver capabilities or properties in a generic way | 19:18 |
devananda | such that Nova flavors could be used to just-in-time reconfigure hardware | 19:18 |
rloo | so we vote on things/features that we know we need/want in ironic, and we discuss the design of those features at the summit? | 19:18 |
devananda | JayF and I have some similar thoughts on this | 19:18 |
devananda | but I dont think it's been widely discussed | 19:19 |
devananda | so the summit might be a good time to discuss that large of a change | 19:19 |
lucasagomes | rloo, that's how I see it yes... tho time is always a problem | 19:19 |
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* JayF cares more about specific hardware configuration not ending up as a "public" API in Ironic | 19:19 | |
NobodyCam | JIT hardware reconfigure | 19:19 |
devananda | whereas. I wouldn't want everyone to spend time discussing the changes for a single driver there | 19:19 |
rloo | it seems to me that the spec process is a good way to get the design down. | 19:19 |
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devananda | rloo: I agree - it is usually enough, but sometimes, not | 19:19 |
devananda | rloo: hardware discovery is another one. we've had a LOT of specs for that and no real agreement yet | 19:20 |
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rloo | devananda: so we should focus on those features that we think would benefit from people being there. | 19:20 |
rloo | face-to-face, with tomatoes or whatever. | 19:20 |
devananda | exactly | 19:20 |
rloo | gotcha ;) | 19:20 |
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devananda | and things which may not require quite as wide an audience could then get scheduled for unconference / hackathon / BoF time | 19:21 |
wanyen | link for the openstack brownbag techtalk schedule http://openstack.prov12n.com/vbrownbag-techtalk-schedule-at-openstack-summit-paris-2/ | 19:22 |
NobodyCam | #link http://openstack.prov12n.com/vbrownbag-techtalk-schedule-at-openstack-summit-paris-2 | 19:22 |
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devananda | birds-of-a-feather | 19:22 |
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* dtantsur still does not understand :( | 19:23 | |
devananda | BoF = informal after hours have pizza and beer together and talk about something | 19:23 |
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devananda | dtantsur: what can I help clarify? | 19:23 |
dtantsur | you just did :) | 19:23 |
devananda | :) | 19:23 |
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rloo | and/or on Friday's contributor meetup. | 19:23 |
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devananda | oh, also, I'd like to ask everyone - how many folks want to (and what's a good night to) have an Ironic team dinner? | 19:24 |
lucasagomes | +1 | 19:24 |
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wanyen | +1 | 19:24 |
rloo | +1 | 19:24 |
devananda | and would folks prefer a proper dinner or an open birds-of-a-feather session? | 19:24 |
rloo | devananda: define them both? | 19:24 |
lucasagomes | both will end up on discussions no? | 19:25 |
devananda | dinner = ironic ATC's get an invite to a restaurant | 19:25 |
NobodyCam | dinner with friends, who may happen to chat about worky things too | 19:25 |
lucasagomes | BoF sounds better to me, informal and we get to talk | 19:25 |
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devananda | BoF = we order lots of take-out food to be delivered to the conference hall after-hours and sit around chatting with whoever shows up | 19:25 |
jroll | I'm fine with either, but we should definitely get together | 19:25 |
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lucasagomes | +1 jroll | 19:26 |
dtantsur | both sound nice :) | 19:26 |
NobodyCam | if pressed to vote I'd vote informal | 19:26 |
NobodyCam | but am okay with either | 19:26 |
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devananda | I've heard two votes for informal, none for formal | 19:26 |
* dtantsur has a modification to BoF variant with setting under the Eiffel Tower, but not sure about whether | 19:27 | |
dtantsur | * sitting | 19:27 |
devananda | dtantsur: heh. I hear it rains a lot in early November | 19:27 |
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devananda | giving it another minute before we move on ... | 19:27 |
rloo | as long ad takeout food is good ;) | 19:27 |
rloo | ad -> as | 19:27 |
lucasagomes | it will be cold too | 19:27 |
dtantsur | rloo ++ | 19:27 |
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rloo | informal at a restaurant? | 19:28 |
devananda | lucasagomes: yea. cold and rainy. | 19:28 |
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lucasagomes | plus loads of people around the tower | 19:28 |
devananda | rloo: that's a party. there are already lots of those planned ;) | 19:28 |
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rloo | informal at a restaurant without LOUD music ;) | 19:28 |
devananda | ok, I'll start scheduling a BoF, probably later in the week as Mon-Wed I will probably be busy | 19:29 |
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NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 19:29 |
devananda | can't wait to see all of you :) | 19:29 |
rloo | that probably means Thur, cuz Fri evening might not be good. | 19:29 |
devananda | #topic sub team reports | 19:29 |
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devananda | adam_g: hi! any news on the CI front? | 19:29 |
adam_g | so im still trying to get our grenade job functional again after fallout from some devstack changes | 19:30 |
adam_g | fixed one issue, but another has slipped through | 19:30 |
adam_g | also going through the parallel failures that are still occurring and trying to do a quick triage of each to see what failures are real and which are transient | 19:30 |
devananda | adam_g: the grenade job will move to stable/juno once that branch is cut, so we just need trunk working for another two weeks, right? | 19:31 |
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adam_g | i'd like to propose we get our stuff voting in other projects (namely devstack, tempest, grenade) before we make them voting on ironic. increasing # of running jobs increases the risk of breaking changes merging elsewhere | 19:31 |
devananda | adam_g: actually, nm. juno-rc is tagged on everythign already | 19:31 |
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devananda | adam_g: yea, those three ++ | 19:31 |
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adam_g | are there any issues that would prevent that from happening now that we are fully graduated? | 19:32 |
devananda | adam_g: for devstack/tempest/grenade, none that I know of | 19:33 |
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devananda | adam_g: for nova, I *think* it's fine to start voting there too, now, since kilo is open | 19:33 |
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devananda | adam_g: nova may or may not want the grenade job to vote on stable/juno -- that's up to them. I think it should, and I think they'll want it to | 19:33 |
devananda | but that's not spelled out in the gov guidelines | 19:34 |
devananda | sdague: if you're around, have a minute to answer test/voting questions? | 19:34 |
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adam_g | okay, i'd still like to give the parallel tempest job and grenade a bit to stabilize and find bugs, but the current check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ssh has proveb to be stable and should be good to vote | 19:34 |
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devananda | adam_g: sounds good | 19:35 |
devananda | dtantsur: how are our bug stats looking? | 19:35 |
dtantsur | pretty well | 19:35 |
dtantsur | Open: 89 (-5). 4 new (+1), 21 in progress (-5), 0 critical, 9 high (-3) and 4 incomplete (0) | 19:35 |
dtantsur | added one about ceilometer fields naming | 19:36 |
devananda | nice | 19:36 |
NobodyCam | great numbers :) | 19:36 |
dtantsur | I'd ask someone to have a look at it | 19:36 |
lucasagomes | :) | 19:36 |
devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1377157 | 19:36 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377157 in ceilometer "ipmi sensor naming in ceilometer is not consumer friendly" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:36 |
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devananda | ceilometer team seems to agree that it's a bug in their meter naming and, i think, is working on a fix for Juno | 19:36 |
dtantsur | so we can confirm it? | 19:37 |
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NobodyCam | devananda: Juno? is there a review? | 19:37 |
lucasagomes | yeah, we may want to mark that as invalid/won't fix for Ironic | 19:37 |
devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:37 |
dtantsur | ah, so we can't fix it? | 19:37 |
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devananda | though, also, Jim Mankovich is going to be proposing some changes to Irnoic during Kilo to improve sensor data handling for non-ipmi drivers | 19:38 |
lucasagomes | dtantsur, the bug is not in Ironic, it's the way the data is consumed/transformed in ceilo | 19:38 |
dtantsur | ah I see. won't fix then? | 19:38 |
lucasagomes | NobodyCam, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126397/ | 19:38 |
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lucasagomes | dtantsur, +1 for me | 19:39 |
devananda | k, i'll update teh bug in Ironic | 19:39 |
dtantsur | thanks | 19:39 |
devananda | I dont have any other bugs to discuss -- anyone else? | 19:39 |
NobodyCam | ahh ok that was put up today | 19:39 |
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dtantsur | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1239481 <-- long-standing, people say it's serious, I don't understand as well :( | 19:40 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239481 in neutron "nova baremetal requires manual neutron setup for metadata access" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:40 |
wanyen | deva, so for the hw sensor that Jim is proposing should I enter it inthe spreadsheet? | 19:40 |
jroll | does that affect ironic? | 19:40 |
devananda | wanyen: sure, but I suspect it's a fairly simple change and won't need summit discussion time | 19:40 |
wanyen | Yes. It will have someimpact as we want to be able to emit sensors to other destination | 19:40 |
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devananda | jroll: you and wanyen / jim should chat about statsd integration | 19:41 |
JayF | that is proposed by aweeks | 19:41 |
JayF | not by jroll | 19:41 |
devananda | dtantsur: that bug is very old. are we sure it's still a problem for Ironic? | 19:41 |
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JayF | re: statsd integration | 19:41 |
wanyen | we want to emit data to monasca | 19:41 |
dtantsur | devananda, I am not definitely | 19:41 |
devananda | JayF: ah, right. I keep tagging him for everything ... sorry :p | 19:41 |
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JayF | devananda: that's explicitly why I corrected it :P we have a whole group of people here | 19:42 |
lucasagomes | dtantsur, hmm I don't know much about it too... but sounds like something that nova would do when creating the instance, and ports in neutron etc... | 19:42 |
lucasagomes | idk if we can do something in our end to fix that | 19:42 |
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devananda | dtantsur: ah, ok. yes, that definitely affects Ironic | 19:43 |
devananda | dtantsur: it will be problematic for any Ironic deployment larger than a single L2 domain | 19:43 |
dtantsur | devananda, mind confirming/triaging please? | 19:44 |
devananda | dtantsur: confirmed. not sure of priority since I'm actually not sure the fix lies within Ironic at all | 19:44 |
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devananda | I suspect the fix is "use a neutron plugin that supports your HW switch" | 19:44 |
devananda | but need to dig in more | 19:44 |
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dtantsur | well, we need to have some priority IIRC | 19:44 |
devananda | #action devananda to follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1239481 | 19:44 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239481 in neutron "nova baremetal requires manual neutron setup for metadata access" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:44 |
dtantsur | cool thanks | 19:45 |
devananda | moving on so we dont run out of time | 19:45 |
dtantsur | that's all :) | 19:45 |
devananda | GheRivero: hi! | 19:45 |
devananda | GheRivero: if you'd like to continue being our oslo liaison - I think taht's great. thanks! | 19:45 |
NobodyCam | +1 vote for GheRivero | 19:46 |
NobodyCam | :-p | 19:46 |
devananda | anyone else want to work with oslo team on osloification of things? | 19:46 |
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devananda | ok :) | 19:47 |
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rloo | devananda: ? you mean if GheRivero doesn't? | 19:47 |
devananda | drivers! wow, we're running out of time too | 19:47 |
devananda | jroll: wanyen: linggao: hi! any news from the driver side of things? | 19:47 |
jroll | I have nothing afaik :) | 19:47 |
linggao | Hi devananda, nothing new from here. | 19:47 |
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devananda | great | 19:48 |
lucasagomes | does that include rpc objects? | 19:48 |
devananda | I know ya'll are working on CI for each of your respective drivers | 19:48 |
lucasagomes | of so I'd like to help to oslofy it | 19:48 |
wanyen | we are doing internal review for the doc. Are there any quideline for vendor driver in terms of what to submit and what to put on the ilo driver wiki? | 19:48 |
lucasagomes | if so* | 19:48 |
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devananda | I was pinged by stackalytics folks re: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog yesterday | 19:48 |
wanyen | I meant docment quideline for vendor drivers | 19:48 |
devananda | so I've posted some initial bits to get that going for Ironic | 19:49 |
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jroll | devananda: neat | 19:49 |
devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126369 | 19:50 |
NobodyCam | 10 minutes to go before the bell | 19:50 |
devananda | anything wrong there, feel free to tell me or post on top of | 19:50 |
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devananda | wanyen: anything a user of the driver would need to know -- like config options, how the environment must be set up (esp. how it is different from other drivers) | 19:50 |
devananda | lucasagomes: you mentioned adding DRAC to the drivers section of the meeting -- I did | 19:51 |
devananda | lucasagomes: but I'm not sure whothe point of contact for that is | 19:51 |
wanyen | deva, tx | 19:52 |
lucasagomes | did I? well ifarkas would be a good point of contact but he's busy | 19:52 |
jroll | devananda: if I make a comment on that review, mind adding some more IPA maintainers? | 19:52 |
lucasagomes | so maybe myself as I have access to a DRAC and can test stuff | 19:52 |
devananda | lucasagomes: ack, thanks | 19:52 |
devananda | jroll: dont' mind at all | 19:52 |
jroll | thanks | 19:52 |
devananda | moving on then | 19:52 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:53 |
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lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99426 | 19:53 |
lucasagomes | thanks NobodyCam for adding that ^ | 19:53 |
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NobodyCam | just a open question should test ass items in to the ironic.conf. <- in ref to : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125361/2/ironic/tests/db/base.py | 19:54 |
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NobodyCam | s/ass/add/ | 19:54 |
NobodyCam | :-p | 19:54 |
jroll | NobodyCam: nooooo | 19:55 |
lucasagomes | so folks, r you guys happy to remove things like local_gb, memory_mb etc... and have a generic name where we can add suffixes for the values to determine the unit size? | 19:55 |
jroll | ironic.conf.sample should be a good starting point for production use | 19:55 |
jroll | NobodyCam: ^ | 19:55 |
devananda | NobodyCam: that's very odd looking to me | 19:55 |
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lucasagomes | (ofc we need to leave those options to be backward for cycle at least) | 19:55 |
devananda | lucasagomes: yep. backwards compat ++ | 19:55 |
jroll | NobodyCam: there's probably a way to do that | 19:55 |
dtantsur | lucasagomes ++ | 19:56 |
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NobodyCam | ack just wanted to point that out | 19:56 |
jroll | lucasagomes: I'd like to see the nova driver impact but generally +1 | 19:56 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: it may be worth noting that our API doesn't expose -any- means to indicate to a user that certain "properties"fields are expected / compatible / deprecated / removed | 19:56 |
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lucasagomes | jroll, not much, well... these values comes from the flavor so we just need to change the way we create the json patch in nova (as far as I see it) | 19:57 |
devananda | lucasagomes: something like num_cpu and ram_gb aren't actually used by Ironic today (though they could be in some esoteric hardware) werehas local_gb *is* used | 19:57 |
jroll | lucasagomes: right, the driver would tack on the unit string, yes? | 19:57 |
lucasagomes | devananda, oh yeah, indeed. We can add a doc, and a LOG if those options are used | 19:57 |
devananda | lucasagomes: if we change that, anyone who is not using Nova will be affected and unaware of it | 19:57 |
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devananda | jroll: right | 19:57 |
lucasagomes | jroll, yup... | 19:58 |
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jroll | I'm still a bit confused why we don't just assume MB everywhere :/ | 19:58 |
lucasagomes | also flavors are opinionated about the unit sizes right now (just like we are), so it would patch with memory=512MB for e.g | 19:58 |
lucasagomes | and we convert it in ironic | 19:58 |
devananda | NobodyCam: I think your question is, should CONF options be defined in the unit tests, not how taht relates to our sample config file | 19:58 |
devananda | jroll: because Nova | 19:58 |
jroll | devananda: convert it in the driver | 19:59 |
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devananda | jroll: ++ | 19:59 |
jroll | either way we're messing with it | 19:59 |
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jroll | like... don't see the use case for accepting gb | 19:59 |
devananda | oh | 19:59 |
devananda | so | 19:59 |
lucasagomes | jroll, that was my 2nd attempt of fixing the unit inconsistency (1st was everything GB), but got some push backs... so maybe having it very flexible is good | 19:59 |
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NobodyCam | devananda: yes .. much better wording | 19:59 |
NobodyCam | one minute | 19:59 |
devananda | the reason is, we don't SET it from the nova driver, Nova reads it from Ironic | 19:59 |
NobodyCam | beep | 20:00 |
jroll | devananda: ...through the driver interface | 20:00 |
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devananda | and we need Nova to understand when it reads "512" from Ironic what that means in terms of its flavors | 20:00 |
devananda | anyhow, lets continue that in channel | 20:00 |
devananda | thanks all! | 20:00 |
dtantsur | thanks | 20:00 |
lucasagomes | cheers | 20:00 |
jroll | thanks | 20:00 |
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NobodyCam | great meeting | 20:00 |
devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 20:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-06-19.00.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-06-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-06-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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sdake_ | #startmeeting kolla | 20:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 20:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:01 |
sdake_ | howdy \o/ | 20:02 |
sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 20:02 |
rhallisey | heyy | 20:02 |
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jdob | o/ | 20:02 |
SpamapS | o/ | 20:02 |
dvossel | hi | 20:02 |
jlabocki | hello | 20:02 |
bthurber | /thumbs | 20:02 |
jpeeler | hi | 20:02 |
mspreitz | o/ | 20:02 |
fvollero | howdy \o/ | 20:02 |
sdake_ | #topic agenda | 20:02 |
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imcleod | hi (lurking) | 20:02 |
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sdake_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:03 |
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sdake_ | anyone interested in adding any agenda items? | 20:03 |
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* SpamapS reads | 20:03 | |
* SpamapS nods no | 20:03 | |
sdake_ | ok | 20:04 |
sdake_ | #topic Release cycle discussion | 20:04 |
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sdake_ | I have a proposal for our release cycle based upon my experiences with early days of Heat | 20:04 |
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sdake_ | What I'd like to do is have a milestone 1 and milestone 2 where we implement in a somewhat hacky fashion most of the functionality | 20:04 |
larsks | Here! | 20:04 |
sdake_ | howdy larsks | 20:04 |
fvollero | larsks: howdy! | 20:04 |
sdake_ | milestone1 = Oct 17th (2 weeks out) | 20:05 |
sdake_ | milestone 2 = Oct 31 (4 weeks out) | 20:05 |
sdake_ | so 2 2 week dev cycles | 20:05 |
sdake_ | then 3 1 month dev cycles | 20:05 |
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sdake_ | then enter the integrated release | 20:05 |
sdake_ | (so 6 month cycles from that point forward) | 20:05 |
SpamapS | sdake_: Have you given anyt hought to the swift model .. release more often and try very hard to never break an API? | 20:05 |
sdake_ | SpamapS I like that model actually :) | 20:06 |
sdake_ | but we will break the api early | 20:06 |
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sdake_ | I was thinking the integrated release will be when we freeze the api | 20:06 |
sdake_ | but I'm not totally clear on the best approach | 20:06 |
sdake_ | I'd just like to get a couple early releases out | 20:06 |
SpamapS | Oh I'd call that 1.0 then. :) | 20:06 |
sdake_ | I find this helpful to set stakes in the ground :) | 20:06 |
SpamapS | 0.xx == we might break the API | 20:06 |
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larsks | (Or even sdakes in the ground) | 20:07 |
* sdake_ has been called steak before :) | 20:07 | |
larsks | :) | 20:07 |
sdake_ | SpamapS that approach wfm | 20:07 |
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SpamapS | also It's looking more like there may not be an integrated release beyond the very tight core projects. | 20:07 |
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sdake_ | SpamapS ok that makes sense | 20:08 |
sdake_ | well, lets do this | 20:08 |
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sdake_ | Lets shoot for 2 milestones with 2 week windows | 20:08 |
sdake_ | and then revisit the topic? | 20:08 |
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fvollero | /whois portante | 20:08 |
SpamapS | busted. ;) | 20:08 |
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portante | peter portante, works/worked on openstack swift | 20:09 |
fvollero | yep :) | 20:09 |
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larsks | sdake_: That sounds fine. | 20:09 |
portante | I work at Red Hat with rook | 20:09 |
fvollero | portante: yeah, wanna check before saying something stupid :) | 20:09 |
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sdake_ | ok cool, if there are no objections then we will proceed with the 17th as our milestone release 1 | 20:09 |
* SpamapS will support what the group decides, is just here to learn and interject at times. :) | 20:09 | |
daneyon | I agree with the 2 wk cycles then revisit. | 20:09 |
sdake_ | cool sounds like we have a winner :) | 20:10 |
sdake_ | #topic multi-dev workflow | 20:10 |
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sdake_ | larsks can you give us a description of the multi-dev workflow | 20:10 |
larsks | Sure. | 20:10 |
larsks | The build scripts that recently landed will, by default, push to a docker tag based on your current commit id. | 20:10 |
larsks | This helps to prevent stomping on someone else's images (but does not completely prevent it) | 20:10 |
larsks | and it also prevents accidentally stomping on the release images. | 20:11 |
larsks | The build scripts can be configured locally so that, e.g., you always build into your own namespace instead. | 20:11 |
larsks | And always to, e.g., the "latest" tag. | 20:11 |
larsks | There is a --release option that must be used when building to the kollaglue namespace with the "latest" tag. | 20:11 |
larsks | That's it in a nutshell. | 20:11 |
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sdake_ | the cool thing about all this is we dont have to add a million people to the kolla upstream org in docker.io | 20:11 |
sdake_ | iirc there is documentation | 20:12 |
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larsks | sdake_: Yes, in docs/image-building.md | 20:12 |
sdake_ | cool, so devs, I'd recommend reading through that | 20:12 |
sdake_ | it should take 5-10 minutes | 20:12 |
larsks | And yell at me if something is broken. | 20:12 |
sdake_ | any questions? | 20:12 |
fvollero | sdake_: what about the environment ? | 20:13 |
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sdake_ | fvollerro I dont understand the Q | 20:13 |
sdake_ | which environment specifically? | 20:13 |
sdake_ | larsks can you link the heat-kube repo with #link? | 20:14 |
fvollero | sdake_: yeah, sorry, dev environment, we need to be aligned, pinned to a min specific version of docker ? | 20:14 |
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larsks | #link https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes | 20:14 |
sdake_ | fvollero check that out | 20:14 |
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sdake | any other QS? | 20:14 |
larsks | fvollero: that link is not going to answer your question...but I don't think we're sensitive to docker version, at least as far as building goes. | 20:15 |
fvollero | larsks: sdake : thanks a bunch | 20:15 |
sdake | cool | 20:15 |
sdake | #topic crux | 20:15 |
* larsks hides. | 20:15 | |
sdake | robot where are you | 20:15 |
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sdake_ | #topic crux | 20:15 |
*** openstack changes topic to "crux (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:15 | |
sdake_ | mind giving a rundown of crux larsks | 20:15 |
larsks | Sure. | 20:16 |
larsks | So, we need a way to create keystone users, tenants, services, endpoints, etc. It needs to be idempotent, so that restarting a container does not blow up. And it should not require a lot of extraneous shell script logic to make it work. | 20:16 |
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larsks | I dusted off some code at wrote at my last job that handles this sort of thing for users, and expanded it to handle services and endpoints, too. | 20:16 |
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larsks | You can say, "user-create -n lars -t myproject -p secret -r admin", and it will: | 20:17 |
larsks | - create the myproject tenant, if necessary | 20:17 |
SpamapS | larsks: there's a _ton_ of code in tripleo-image-elements and/or os-cloud-config that does this... | 20:17 |
larsks | - create the "admin" role, if necessary, | 20:17 |
larsks | - create the "lars" user, if necessary | 20:17 |
larsks | - assign the role, if necessary | 20:17 |
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larsks | I looked at the os-cloud-config stuff, and it looked like an unnecessarily big hammer. | 20:17 |
sdake_ | SpamapS I think there is general agreement we want to replace this with os-cloud-config in milesxtone 2 | 20:17 |
larsks | I'm not sure. | 20:17 |
larsks | It's possible I didn't looked closely enough. | 20:18 |
sdake_ | the cool thing about os-cloud-config is it has all the magic | 20:18 |
larsks | If someone wants to put together a demo that uses os-cloud-config instead, that would be a useful comparison. | 20:18 |
SpamapS | larsks: perhaps the hammer got that big because tripleo has found the larger spikes deeper in.. ;) | 20:18 |
larsks | SpamapS: Maybe, but we might not have the same issues. | 20:18 |
larsks | Anyway, like I said, if someone can put together a demo that would help. | 20:18 |
larsks | In the meantime, I would like to advocate for approving my changes for now, because it will really simplify things in the short term. | 20:19 |
sdake_ | doesn't have to be a demo, patch would ge thte job done | 20:19 |
larsks | We can always wipe it out in favor of something eles down the road. | 20:19 |
sdake_ | ya if we can get some reviews on that change, it would be appreciated | 20:19 |
larsks | Is there a way to see "all pending changes for the kolla project"? | 20:19 |
sdake_ | larsks do you have a link to the review | 20:19 |
sdake_ | larsks you can click watched projects | 20:19 |
sdake_ | and add kolla to your watched projects | 20:19 |
SpamapS | Indeed, just pointing out that the need for an API bootstrap is not exactly new nor is it poorly handled in the existing code base. | 20:19 |
larsks | here is that review: https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes | 20:20 |
larsks | Whoops. | 20:20 |
larsks | I meant: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126067/ | 20:20 |
sdake_ | SpamapS my approach is fast and furious with lots of mistakes early on :) | 20:20 |
larsks | Stoopid multiple clipboards. | 20:20 |
sdake_ | I'd like to tidy these sorts of issues up though over time | 20:20 |
sdake_ | like after each milestone | 20:20 |
SpamapS | sdake_: perhaps you can avoid _a few_ of the mistakes that we already made? | 20:20 |
sdake_ | agree | 20:20 |
sdake_ | it was just a joke :) | 20:20 |
sdake_ | vin diesel reference | 20:21 |
rhallisey | ha | 20:21 |
SpamapS | I'm pretty sure this particular part will "just work" as long as you have OpenStack API's. :) | 20:21 |
larsks | SpamapS: Write us a demo! I stopped looking at os-cloud-config when it started trying to ssh places on me... | 20:21 |
sdake_ | so if we could get some reviews on 126067 it would be appreicated | 20:22 |
larsks | ...but I new that I already had some code handy that did this. | 20:22 |
larsks | If you can replace "crux" in that review with "os-cloud-config" with the same or similar semantics, I am all for it. | 20:22 |
sdake_ | well here is my take | 20:22 |
SpamapS | larsks: how does the current code initialize keystone's admin token and PKI? | 20:22 |
sdake_ | larsks already has a patch ready to go | 20:22 |
sdake_ | we fcan nuke it in milestone 2 | 20:22 |
sdake_ | and switch to os-*-* | 20:22 |
sdake_ | SpamapS does that approach work for you? | 20:23 |
larsks | SpamapS: admin_token is set via an environment variable right now, since it needs to be shared across containers. | 20:23 |
SpamapS | Oh hey no don't stop for this. I am a big fan of set based design. I just want to make sure os-cloud-config isn't completely left behind because of a misunderstanding. | 20:23 |
larsks | SpamapS: PKI is initialized using the PoC setup-pki-script, whatever it is called. | 20:23 |
SpamapS | larsks: ok, admin token works the same in the current code, and the SSH in is just to setup the PKI. | 20:24 |
sdake_ | SpamapS cool sounds like we are all in violent agreement then that os-cloud-config needs more analysis from the core team | 20:24 |
sdake_ | by more, I mean some :) | 20:24 |
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SpamapS | larsks: let's compare notes after the meeting | 20:24 |
sdake_ | any Qs? | 20:24 |
SpamapS | or after the milestone | 20:24 |
SpamapS | whichever you choose. :) | 20:24 |
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larsks | SpamapS: Either! But not right after the meeting, because I will be commuting. | 20:24 |
sdake_ | #topic milestone #1 blueprints | 20:25 |
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sdake_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-1 | 20:25 |
sdake_ | I believe this is the minimum set of features we want for milesetone 1 | 20:25 |
sdake_ | we can possibly drop heat and neutron if we want to hit the 17th and those aren't going to make it | 20:25 |
sdake_ | would folks open that up in their browser? | 20:25 |
larsks | sdake_: "keystone" is missing I think. | 20:26 |
larsks | Ooops. | 20:26 |
larsks | nEver mind. | 20:26 |
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sdake_ | so 3 days of dev - 2 implements blueprints | 20:26 |
larsks | Should "glance" be essential rather than "high"? We won't be able to boot into a nova container with it... | 20:26 |
sdake_ | \o/ | 20:26 |
sdake_ | moving fast!@ | 20:26 |
sdake_ | larsks just changed to essential | 20:27 |
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sdake_ | I'd like to go through each of the blueprints and get a status report if possible | 20:27 |
tsv | hi there, I added a new blueprint to containerize Barbican: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kube-barbican-container | 20:27 |
sdake_ | radez any word on kube-glance-container? | 20:27 |
larsks | sdake_: I'd like to update on that, actually. | 20:27 |
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sdake_ | tsv sounds good I'll prioritize after meeting | 20:28 |
larsks | sdake_: I have working mariadb/keystone/glance as part of the work I was doing with the haproxy stuff. | 20:28 |
radez | yea larsks did some work... | 20:28 |
larsks | I fixed a bunch of stuff in the glance container as part of that, since I needed it working to test keystone integration. | 20:28 |
tsv | sdake_, thanks! | 20:28 |
larsks | I have a series of patches to land if folks are happy with the haproxy idea I floated on the mailing list. | 20:29 |
sdake_ | larsks cool so there are just some patches that need reviews? | 20:29 |
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larsks | There may be, pending response on that haproxy topic. There are some pending reviews right now that probably need to land first. | 20:29 |
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sdake_ | cool | 20:30 |
daneyon | sdake_: I have a neutron container running the API here #link https://github.com/danehans/docker-neutron-server I am working on building my kolla dev environmnt and porting over the work from my docker-neutron-server repo. | 20:30 |
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sdake_ | #action core team to review kolla patch queue to unblock glance | 20:30 |
sdake_ | daneyon nice! | 20:30 |
sdake_ | you want to take that blueprint then? | 20:30 |
rhallisey | sdake_, I already gave it to him | 20:31 |
sdake_ | nice! | 20:31 |
sdake_ | libvirt | 20:31 |
sdake_ | in progress | 20:31 |
sdake_ | just started | 20:31 |
sdake_ | goign to be painful | 20:31 |
rhallisey | sdake_, where you going to do nova-compute? | 20:31 |
rhallisey | were* | 20:32 |
sdake_ | rhallisey mind giving us an update on nova-controller? | 20:32 |
sdake_ | yes I'm doing nova compute and libvirt | 20:32 |
rhallisey | ok cool | 20:32 |
rhallisey | just in progress, did a bunch of setup stuff over the weekend | 20:32 |
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daneyon | sdake_: I think it will be difficult to get the other neutron services containerized by release. When I started looking at containerizing neutron agents, it appears that we will need to leverage pipework to support multiple interfaces needed by neutron-openvswitch-agent. | 20:32 |
sdake_ | daneyon you mean by the 17th? | 20:32 |
larsks | daneyon: agreed. using pipework is probably a non-started; we probably need kubernetes to support network interface provisioning. | 20:33 |
sdake_ | sounds like neutron just isn't going to make milestone 1 | 20:33 |
sdake_ | perhaps I should just bounce to milestone 2? | 20:33 |
daneyon | sdake_: Yes. I have yet to do much of anything with pipework. | 20:33 |
sdake_ | ok i moved to milestone 2 | 20:34 |
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sdake_ | kube-rabbitmq-container | 20:35 |
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sdake_ | jlabocki any status? | 20:35 |
larsks | sdake_: I can help out with that one if jlabocki is busy. | 20:35 |
sdake_ | larsks I think jpeeler is goign to tackle that | 20:35 |
larsks | sdake_: Awesome. | 20:35 |
sdake_ | if jlabocki is busy | 20:35 |
jpeeler | yes! | 20:35 |
jlabocki | sdake: larks: that would appreciated | 20:36 |
sdake_ | cool go ahead and assing yourself jpeeler | 20:36 |
sdake_ | larsks can I change image-dev-workflow to "Needs Code Review"? | 20:36 |
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sdake_ | chmouel around? | 20:37 |
sdake_ | json-validate-gate | 20:37 |
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sdake_ | ok well I'll try to catch up with chmouel later and see where the json gate work is | 20:38 |
sdake_ | sounds like we are in really good shape - biggest problem atm is long review queue | 20:38 |
sdake_ | and nova needs implementation work | 20:38 |
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sdake_ | #topic milestone 1 bugs | 20:39 |
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sdake_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-1 | 20:39 |
larsks | sdake_: sure. | 20:39 |
larsks | sdake_: re: needs code review | 20:39 |
sdake_ | these need triaging, so I'll go ahead and triage after meeting | 20:40 |
sdake_ | #action sdake to triage m1 bugs | 20:40 |
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sdake_ | I think these aer eall fixed btw | 20:40 |
sdake_ | anyone run into bugs not in the launchpad tracker? | 20:40 |
larsks | 547064 | 20:40 |
sdake_ | If so, could folks _please_ submit bug reports in the launchpad tracker? | 20:40 |
daneyon | will do | 20:41 |
sdake_ | #topic mordred's DIB docker container work | 20:41 |
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sdake_ | mordred happen to be ar ound? | 20:41 |
larsks | sdake_: I have to run off. I will review backlog later this evening. | 20:41 |
sdake_ | larsks sounds good thanks! | 20:41 |
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sdake_ | SpamapS do you know what Mordred has in mind here? Was hoping to give an info sharing going | 20:42 |
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mordred | what did I do? | 20:42 |
mordred | oh - so, real quick | 20:43 |
sdake_ | mordred your WIP patch | 20:43 |
mordred | the idea is that the underlying engine/mechanism inside of dib be docker instead of a chroot | 20:43 |
mordred | this gets decent isolatino - and also means that if all you want is a docker container, you can just stop before making cloud images | 20:43 |
mordred | but then, if you want a qcow or somethign else, the additinoal step to export the tarball from docker and turn it into a qcow is easy to wrap the brain around | 20:44 |
mordred | nice potential benefits are: | 20:44 |
mordred | - take advantage of docker hubs being able to slurp image bits around | 20:44 |
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mordred | - use the composability of dib elements to put together docker containers | 20:44 |
mordred | - less running of sudo while making an image | 20:45 |
mordred | in fact, sudo access is no longer needed for anything other than docker to qcow conversion | 20:45 |
mordred | how's that fora quick summary? | 20:45 |
sdake_ | nice | 20:45 |
SpamapS | less sudo would be fantastic. | 20:45 |
mordred | most of the guts are done - I need to incorporate the static files patch I hadn't noticed | 20:46 |
sdake_ | I think you missed our early milestone approach - s o we are targeting m12 for oct 17, m2 for oct 31 | 20:46 |
sdake_ | maybe this is something we can investigate in milestone 2 dev | 20:46 |
mordred | and I need to rewrite almost every extra-data.d script in elements | 20:46 |
sdake_ | mordred sounds like fun :) | 20:46 |
SpamapS | sounds to me like this is something to look at "when it is ready" | 20:46 |
mordred | fwiw, I could almost certainly get it done by oct17 | 20:46 |
sdake_ | SpamapS sounds good | 20:46 |
mordred | it's really not that far off | 20:46 |
mordred | but I do agree - "when it's ready" is the right time | 20:46 |
SpamapS | it has benefits outside kolla too | 20:46 |
sdake_ | ya we just can't use it by oct 17 | 20:46 |
sdake_ | cool | 20:46 |
mordred | SpamapS: ++ | 20:47 |
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mordred | I imagine it will have benefits both in and out of openstack - or at least I hope it will | 20:47 |
SpamapS | though it might mean we can't build images on RHEL5 | 20:47 |
mordred | meh | 20:47 |
* SpamapS REALLY hopes people get that joke. | 20:47 | |
* mordred don't care | 20:47 | |
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* SpamapS squishes | 20:47 | |
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sdake_ | ;-) | 20:47 |
daneyon | What about using Packer for building images? | 20:47 |
sdake_ | got a link to pacvker? | 20:47 |
sdake_ | so many tools :) | 20:48 |
daneyon | #link http://www.packer.io/ | 20:48 |
mordred | honestly, last time I looked at packer I got hives | 20:48 |
mordred | but that's not a real reason | 20:48 |
sdake_ | #topic Open Discussion | 20:49 |
mordred | oh - I rmemeber now | 20:49 |
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sdake_ | Ok folks, time for open discussion | 20:49 |
mordred | packer follows the model that we just moved _away_ from in infra | 20:49 |
mordred | which is spinning up a cloud instance and then remote connecting to it to run commands inside of it | 20:49 |
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SpamapS | sdake_: open question: is there a plan for how to update a Kolla installation? | 20:50 |
mspreitz | mordred: because ... ? | 20:50 |
sdake_ | kill container | 20:50 |
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sdake_ | start container | 20:50 |
sdake_ | you just updated | 20:50 |
SpamapS | that's mechanical and manual, is there no automated update? | 20:50 |
sdake_ | oh it will be automated imo | 20:50 |
sdake_ | by kill container , I mean write data to the kube rest api | 20:51 |
sdake_ | one way it could work is scan containers on a 5 minute interval - if new update, t hen kill/start | 20:51 |
SpamapS | and what about things like, you need to run a db migration somewhere in there, or update in a particular order? | 20:52 |
sdake_ | when you start a container in kube, if there is an update in the docker registry, it pulls the latest bits down | 20:52 |
SpamapS | I'm getting at -> tripleo-ansible :) | 20:52 |
sdake_ | ordering updates is a challenge | 20:52 |
sdake_ | db migration should be easy | 20:52 |
tsv | how about using etcd for that ? | 20:52 |
sdake_ | etcd is part of kubernetes | 20:52 |
tsv | yes, so why can't that be used to know when to update ? | 20:53 |
sdake_ | tsv yes, the rest api I am talking about is either etcd or kubernetes's mapping on etcd | 20:53 |
tsv | ah ok. thanks | 20:53 |
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SpamapS | Not sure I'd say db migration is easy | 20:53 |
sdake_ | maybe not | 20:54 |
SpamapS | Nova, for instance, requires that you update the conductor, then run it, then update everything else. | 20:54 |
sdake_ | we have a general problem atm that data is not persistent | 20:54 |
sdake_ | kubernetes guys working on this problem | 20:54 |
mspreitz | why did infra move away from the model that packer is using, and how is tripleo-ansible different? | 20:54 |
sdake_ | it is their #1 issue atm | 20:54 |
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SpamapS | tsv: knowing when to update is pretty easy. Knowing how to update is a workflow control problem and we're solving it in tripleo-ansible already.. so I was wondering if we can just insert awareness in all of your minds that it exists. :) | 20:54 |
SpamapS | mspreitz: tripleo-ansible is agnostic of how images are built | 20:55 |
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SpamapS | mspreitz: infra does not use tripleo-ansible | 20:55 |
SpamapS | two different things | 20:55 |
sdake_ | cool I caught the reference SpamapS - firehose reading the code basews for all the projects :) | 20:55 |
SpamapS | sdake_: mmk just want to suggest that it be looked at when it comes to to automate updates. | 20:55 |
mordred | mspreitz: infra moved away from it in favor of dib because it allows us to make one image and upload it to all of our cloud regions | 20:55 |
SpamapS | when it comes _time_ to automate I mean | 20:56 |
mordred | mspreitz: we are not doing it yet, but it also allows us to test the image before we upload it | 20:56 |
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mordred | mspreitz: the packer model is ... fragile ... although totally workable - I mean, we did use it for the last 2 years (although not with packer) | 20:56 |
sdake_ | automate all the things :) | 20:56 |
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sdake_ | 3 minutes left - any pressing issues? | 20:57 |
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sdake_ | ok, well folks if your in the review team, please please review | 20:58 |
sdake_ | the queues have been running a bit slow | 20:58 |
mordred | mspreitz: one could theoretically model the same thing as dib-docker with packer if you used packer+docker and then did an export/conversion | 20:58 |
SpamapS | whaaaa review queue in openstack running slow!!?? | 20:58 |
mordred | but at that point the question woudl be what content can you express in packer and what can you express in dib-elements | 20:58 |
sdake_ | SpamapS yes but we only have 5-10 patches outstanding not 10 pages :) | 20:59 |
SpamapS | you could use the instack element-running method inside packer. | 20:59 |
mordred | and the composablity of dib elements on top of docker is quite nice | 20:59 |
sdake_ | ok well I'm going to end meeting, we can follow up in tripleo channel | 20:59 |
sdake_ | thanks for attending ! | 20:59 |
sdake_ | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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