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krotscheck#startmeeting StoryBoard15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct  6 15:00:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'15:00
NikitaKonovalovhi15:00
krotscheckhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda15:00
krotscheckAgenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda15:00
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krotscheckARGH15:00
krotscheck#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda15:00
krotscheckThere we go15:00
krotscheckHey there, NikitaKonovalov!15:00
krotscheckAnyone else here?15:01
* fungi lurks15:01
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fungijeblair is i believe still travelling this week15:01
krotscheckOk, let’s get started.15:01
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ttxo/15:01
krotscheck#topic Urgent: CORS support15:01
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krotscheckIt all landed!15:02
fungiso storyboard is all CORSican now15:02
krotscheck#link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/22/125222/1/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/19d67a2/dist/#!/15:02
krotscheckThe docs draft build is now fully functional, meaning that ttx doesn’t have to download and run the build anymore to check out new UI things.15:02
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ttxkrotscheck: so how do you use it ?15:02
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fungibrowse to the docs-draft job result if it succeeded15:03
krotscheckttx: When you go to a code review, look for gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft15:03
ttxI tried a few shots in the dark but I assumed I may need that review I blocked15:03
krotscheckClick on that.15:03
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krotscheckttx: It builds off of that patch, so the one you blocked is the first one that actually works.15:03
ttxooooh15:04
ttxshiny15:04
krotscheckI thought you’d like that :)15:04
ttxI don't even have to grunt anymore15:04
krotscheckOddly enough, in doing this we’ve also enabled iterative ui reviews for the UX people :)15:04
krotscheckYeah, leave the grunt-ing to the professionals.15:04
krotscheck:D15:04
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krotscheckAny questions before we move on?15:05
ttxreally nice work15:05
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ttxremoves all the friction, no excuse to not check out the effect anymore15:05
krotscheckEeexactly.15:05
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krotscheckAlso, we’ll know very quickly whether the code breaks something.15:05
krotscheckMind you, it’ll cause a bit of a lag where the webclient can only show something if the APi supports it, but I’m ok with that.15:06
krotscheck#topic Urgent: Subscription patches15:06
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ttxkrotscheck: I'll review them now that I know how to do it.15:06
krotscheckSo, subscription’s been in a delay-oh-we-need-this-too loop for a while now.15:06
fungiwe should add a similar draft job for openstack-infra/publications15:06
ttxprobably tomorrow morning though15:07
krotscheckThe most recent item is nibalizer actually finding a bug in puppet-storyboard, which is fixed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126072/15:07
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krotscheckAs best as I can figure, the first two items listed in the agenda need to land in order. The two storyboard-webclient items already build on API’s that are there, but won’t do much until the other two land.15:08
krotscheck#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda15:08
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krotscheckfungi: If possible, I’d like to grab you or clarkb this afternoon to keep an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124884/ wihle it lands.15:09
krotscheckAnd that will wrap it for subscriptions.15:09
krotscheckAny questions?15:09
fungikrotscheck: happy to help... i'm open after lunch15:09
ttxnope15:09
krotscheckfungi: Ditto :). Let’s make a date!15:10
krotscheck#topic Discussion: Story Types15:10
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krotscheckttx: Take it away!15:10
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ttxwell, hrm15:11
ttxwas a bit busy with all those RC1s last week15:11
ttxso didn't draft anything15:11
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krotscheckAlrighey15:11
krotscheck#topic Discussion: New topics?15:11
ttxI hope, but I'm not sure, that this week will be less busy15:11
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krotscheckAnyone have anything new?15:12
NikitaKonovalovI've updated my tags patch15:12
ttxMerge avalanche with the unblocking of the head patch15:12
NikitaKonovalovso it now is able to return tags in GET for stories15:12
krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: Jenkins seems to not like that patch.15:12
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NikitaKonovalovI know15:13
NikitaKonovalovwill try to fix that15:13
krotscheckAlrightey.15:13
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krotscheckAnything else?15:14
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* krotscheck will see if he can figure out why it’s failing.15:14
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NikitaKonovalovthere is something wrong eith migration on tags15:15
NikitaKonovalovwith*15:15
krotscheckYeah, looks like.15:15
krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: Maybe SQLAlchemy doesn’t like list-based associations when a story has no tags?15:16
NikitaKonovalovkrotscheck: probably15:16
NikitaKonovalovone more question on tags, btw15:17
krotscheckGo for it.15:17
NikitaKonovalovgiven the list of tags, should we query using ALL or ANY of them15:17
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NikitaKonovalovthat is what actually ttx is asking for in that CR also15:18
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krotscheckHrm. Good question.15:19
fungisounds like an excuse for a search grammar15:19
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NikitaKonovalovwe can have both queries actually15:19
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fungi(since there is in fact a third possible behavior besides the two you mention there)15:19
krotscheck#topic Discussion: Tags15:20
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krotscheckfungi: What’s the third option?15:20
fungitags where (a and b) or c15:21
fungiet cetera15:21
fungibut as i said, you'd need a grammar15:21
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funginot sure it's worth the effort to implement15:22
NikitaKonovalovthe query language makes sense if tags can be put into conditions along with other story fields15:22
krotscheckWell, coming from the UI side of things I feel that we should try one, see if it works, try the other if it doesn’t work, and then if THAT doesn’t work, go for plan C.15:23
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NikitaKonovalovI prefer to filter with a kind of logical AND operation15:24
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NikitaKonovalovso more tags means narrow result set15:24
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krotscheckMakes sense.15:25
fungiyeah, if there's already a syntax planned for logic operations, then reusing that with tags as search parameters seems reasonable15:25
krotscheckAnyone disagree with trying that as plan A?15:25
fungisure, implicit exclusive and/intersection of results15:25
ttxno that's fine15:26
krotscheckAlright!15:26
krotscheckAny more discussion topics?15:26
NikitaKonovalovdo we have anything StoryBoard relates at summit?15:27
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krotscheck#topic Discussion: StoryBoard15:27
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krotscheckSorry15:27
krotscheck#topic Discussion: Summit15:27
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krotscheckRight, so there’s an infra etherpad of all kinds of things that we might want to talk about at the summit.15:28
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* krotscheck is trying to find the link. Any help there, fungi?15:28
fungicoming right up15:28
ttxhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics15:29
ttxI win15:29
krotscheck#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics15:29
fungittx: wins15:29
krotscheckDOH15:29
krotscheckFrom what I understand, infra only has 4 slots.15:29
krotscheckOh, that’s in the etherpad.15:30
krotscheckAnyway, I’ve put StoryBoard up because it’s likely to start impacting other projects during the kilo cycle.15:30
krotscheckAnd a lot of people will have questions.15:30
fungiit seems like a reasonable one for the schedule, i agree15:30
krotscheckFurthermore, I’m doing a 5 minute Lightning StoryBoard Walkthrough on monday at the HP Lightning Talks.15:31
krotscheckAnd hopefully will again be able to do UX testing.15:31
krotscheckSpeaking of which: ttx - who do I talk to for space on that?15:31
ttxkrotscheck: you could ask claire@o.o -- but I wouldn't hold high hopes. ATL had plenty of spare space15:32
ttxParis, not so much15:33
ttxI know there isn't spare space on the Design Summit area for example15:33
krotscheckttx: Will there be breakout space?15:33
* krotscheck really only needs a power supply.15:33
* fungi is reminded, should start an ml thread about key signing activity at the summit15:33
ttxthere is a developer lounge with corners in it15:33
krotscheckThat should do.15:34
ttxok, then you should be good15:34
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krotscheckOne more thing. Is there anything trademarkish that would prevent me from printing up a t-shirt that says “Ask Me About StoryBoard”?15:34
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fungino15:35
krotscheckCool.15:35
fungiput "storyboard" on as many tee shirts as you like15:35
krotscheckfungi: By what point will we know whether StoryBoard will be on the agenda so we can talk about what _actually_ to talk about?15:35
* krotscheck loves having conversations about conversations.15:36
fungikrotscheck: after jeblair returns... i'm not going to make those decisions while he's travelling, would rather he as ptl did so upon his return15:36
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krotscheckkk15:37
krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1: Subscriptions15:37
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krotscheckSo, subscriptions are (hopefully) three patches away from landing.15:37
krotscheckwoo!15:37
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krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1: Project Groups15:38
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krotscheckA bit of an update here. I got sick and tired of having to reboot the storyboard api server to work on API things, so I went in a refactored our functional tests to allow us to simulate an actual user via the Auth Header.15:38
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krotscheckThat’s this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125816/15:39
krotscheckAnd, well, while doing that I found a bug, which I also fixed in that.15:39
krotscheckNow I’m building out functional tests for project groups, projects, stories, and tasks, so that we have coverage on discoverability across the API.15:40
krotscheckAs a side effect of that we’ll get the ability to search on project groups on all of those resources.15:40
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krotscheckBut it’s going a bit slower than expected as a result.15:40
mordredwoot15:40
mordredwell, testing is good15:40
krotscheckRight.15:41
krotscheckMy hope is to get projects and tasks done this week, but no guarantees on that.15:41
krotscheckThe goal is to have “Project Group: Foo” be one of the search tags.15:42
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mordredI believe I'd be likely to use that a lot15:42
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krotscheckAny questions?15:42
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krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1: Tags15:43
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krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: Anything new?15:43
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krotscheck(Other than what was discussed earlier?15:43
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krotscheckI’ll take that as a no.15:45
krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1: Emails15:45
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krotscheckProgress!15:45
krotscheckLast week I replaced the hard-coded deferred processors with a stevedore-run plugin system.15:46
krotscheckPatch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125504/15:46
krotscheckThe intent here is that emails will also be a plugin.15:46
mordredooh15:47
krotscheckSo an event arrives, we process subscriptions, we figure out which email it goes into, and then we move on to the next one.15:47
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* mordred likely15:47
mordredlikey15:47
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krotscheckAnd since it’s stevedore, I may have also just allowed infra to go write it’s own third party plugins to integrate with zuul, gerrit, yadda yadda yadda.15:47
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* mordred likes the "handle" method15:48
krotscheckBut I guess the real point here is that I’ve paved the way for emails.15:49
mordredyah. like it. so each event gets passed to handle as a json blob?15:49
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krotscheckyep, that’s the idea.15:50
krotscheckAnd then the plugin can figure out what it wants to do.15:50
krotscheckThe enable method is there so that plugins can trigger themselves based on their own configuration. Say you have an email plugin but no smtp server, etc.15:51
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krotscheckAnyway, taht’s the update on emails. Any questions?15:52
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krotscheck#topic Open Discussion15:53
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* krotscheck has already discussed everything.15:53
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krotscheckAnyone else?15:54
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ttxnope15:55
krotscheckAlrightey, thanks everyone!15:55
krotscheck#endmeeting15:55
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NikolayM#startmeeting Mistral16:00
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NikolayMhi everyone!16:01
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NikolayMok, let's start our meeting16:01
NikolayM#topic Review Action Items16:02
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NikolayMI remember we have no action items on our previous meeting16:02
NikolayMdone :)16:02
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NikolayM#topic Current status16:03
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NikolayMguys, anyone else here?16:04
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NikolayMlast week we did a plan on 0.2 release16:05
NikolayMthere are list of blueprints that you can see here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-0.2-planning16:06
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NikolayMfrom my side: I did a simple task affinity feature, fixed some bugs related to dataflow16:07
dziminehi folks sorry i'm a bit late16:07
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NikolayMand also made it possible to see all action-parameters (especially, openstack-actions)16:08
NikolayMhi dzimine!16:08
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NikolayMRenat is not with us today16:09
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dziminemy status: I cleaned up and updated sphinx docs,  moved DSL docs under there.16:09
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dziminealmost finished making API v2 docs there two, but got puzzled on what is the "new right openstack way" of doing the API docs.16:10
dzimineseems like noone longer makes API docs part of their pecan project.16:10
dzimineBut still it's better and more appropriate than wiki.16:11
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NikolayMok, the next topic is open discussion16:13
NikolayM#topic Open discussion16:13
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NikolayMtoday I had the discussion with Renat16:14
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NikolayMabout join-control and resume16:14
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dzimineok, intertesting16:15
NikolayMI'll write info about ideas and part of implementation on etherpad soon16:15
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NikolayMAnd also we had discussion about dataflow-collections16:17
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NikolayMI'll write it also16:18
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NikolayMbut not today, maybe tomorrow16:18
NikolayMok, dzimine, would you like to discuss something?16:18
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dzimineon my side: will we use the sphinx docs over the wiki for reference docs? I think it makes sense - docs evolve with the code, we can version and ship it, etc.16:20
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NikolayMyes, I think yes16:20
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dzimineand that's it, I'll finish up the docs today so we have API ref and DSL ref in mistral/doc16:20
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NikolayMwe built them somehow, I remember16:20
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dziminethey're built yes now I am figuring to host them and refer from wiki, etc, if needed.16:22
NikolayMAnd it will be great to have the docs out the box :)16:23
NikolayMdo you mean readthedocs?16:23
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dzimineyes.16:26
dzimineapparently there's a jenkins job can be configured to post it there.16:27
dziminewill need to ask around - NikolayM, may be there are guys around you who had done that before?16:27
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dzimineI'll look at it once the content is in place. Hints appreciated.16:28
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NikolayMyes, I try to resolve this question16:29
dzimineok, nothing more on my side.16:29
NikolayMlet's wrap up :)16:29
NikolayMbye dzimine!16:29
NikolayMoops16:29
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dziminebye!16:30
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NikolayM#action nmakhotkin: ask guys about the building docs16:30
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sarob#startmeeting training-guides17:00
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sarobhello hello17:00
dbitehello17:00
rluethihey17:00
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sayalihello17:01
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sarob#topic docs17:02
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matjazphi all17:02
dbitehello matjazp17:02
rluethihi matjazp17:02
MeganRHello17:02
sarobevening matjazp17:02
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rluethi...and MeganR :)17:03
dbite More fixes coming up this month. I am fixing the XML syntax to bring it up to the level of other documentation projects17:03
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dbiteI think that is it for docs this time17:03
sarobcool17:04
sarobanyone else?17:04
dbiteany questions/suggestions/new contributors?17:04
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sarobim eager to discuss user group training17:05
sarobunless a new contributor has a question17:05
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sarob#topic user group training17:05
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dbiteshould we keep user group training for the extras section?17:05
dbiterather than discuss in docs?17:05
sarobi just changed the topic17:06
dbiteahh :)17:06
rluethiwhat is user group training?17:06
sarobunless you need more time17:06
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dbiteno I am good17:06
sarobcool17:06
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sarob#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-October/005274.html17:06
sarobnow that i am mostly moved over in my new digs17:07
sarobi have some time and new people to work with17:07
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sarobthe general idea is that we run the associates training17:08
dbiteyep, good news17:08
sarobin between the summits to start17:08
dbitealso more feedback from the trainers for keeping the content quality better17:09
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sarobwe attract trainers to help out17:09
sarobdbite, yeah def17:09
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sarobit will help us fine tune the great body of work that we have to work with17:09
sarobwork out bugs faster17:09
sarobget new contributors17:10
sarobi have 3-4 people willing to help run a 2 hour training session in the SF bay area17:10
sarobi have a proposed schedule in the email linked above17:11
MeganRThat is great - then are you looking to expand to other meet-ups throughout the country?17:11
dbiteif possible we need 1-2 regular contributors for docs sub-team too17:11
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sarobmeganr yes very much so17:11
MeganRsarob, this looks great17:11
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sarobmeganr ;)17:12
matjazpsarob: looks promising17:12
sarobsooo, i see some stuff that needs to be prioritized IF we as a team want to support this17:12
sarobthink of it as our coming out party17:12
sayalisounds good sarob :)17:13
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matjazpbtw guys, we could also discuss this at the summit?17:14
sarobfirst up, can I get a sense of what the team thinks of this as one of our priorities for the next cycle?17:14
sarobmatjazp: def17:14
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saroblet me put this a different way17:15
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sarobi would let to set our kilo priorities as17:15
sarob1: current with juno release17:16
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sarob2: audio visual tools and videos17:16
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sarob3: running the associate training guide in the user groups17:17
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sarob4: coordinating the training guides with the upstream training17:17
saroboff the top of my head17:17
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sarobim not asking for a vote or anything17:18
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* rluethi notices a distinct lack of scripts17:18
sarobjust throughing it out there for discussion17:18
dbiteI think first we need to come up with a model for releases17:18
matjazpI think #4 is already starting to branch.. we update/cleanup their content.. do they use training-guides repo or their own?17:18
dbitefor instance which release should we work while in the current release cycle17:18
dbiteshould we be one release behind ? or follow the current release while developing the content17:19
matjazprluethi: scripts are implicit :)17:19
rluethimatjazp: I don't like being implicit :).17:19
annegentleI think video is farther down the road in priorities, get your docs and script house in order17:20
sarobmatjazp, rluethi: infra is required for our success17:20
matjazprluethi:  hehehe... yes, true :)17:20
annegentledbite: I would advise one release behind for your audience (unless your target audience changes to devs)17:20
sarobannegentle: the numbers are meant as priority17:20
annegentlesarob: saying 2 for video should be more like 517:21
dbiteannegentle: yes I was asking for everyones views on this17:21
sarobannegentle s/are/are not/17:21
dbitethanks for the suggestion :)17:21
annegentlesarob: ah :)17:21
annegentlesarob: that not makes a big difference17:21
rluethiannegentle: at least with the scripts we need to track the openstack-manuals trunk or they will become useless for doc authors.17:21
sarobannegentle always does ;)17:21
dbitesarob: I am working on the infra part, infact here is the first patch to automate upstream-training builds https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/17:22
sarobrluethi very true17:22
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sarobdbite nice17:22
dbiteannegentle: the scripts should be good tools for install guides team17:23
dbitewhat do you think?17:23
annegentlerluethi: okay... but even devstack has a stable/<relname> branch each release17:23
sarobokay lets get back to the topic17:23
rluethiannegentle: understood.17:23
dbiteand we had an argument about openstack multinode not running on VirtualBox, the scripts will install openstack on multinode env. using virtualbox17:24
sarobi messed it up by listing stuff17:24
dbiteand it works fine17:24
annegentledbite: honestly it's early to say17:24
annegentledbite: rluethi: can't wait to see what people do with the scripts17:24
sarobannegentle agreed scripts are pretty awesome17:25
annegentlesarob: you have quite good contributor numbers this release, with many training-focused people in the top ten for docs17:25
sarobsoo the user group training topic17:25
sarobannegentle, the team is amazing agreed ;)17:25
sarobso team. we will continue to discuss our priorities for the summit17:26
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rluethisarob: do we have a meeting in paris scheduled?17:27
sarobare we generally in favor of my user group training plan here #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-October/005274.html ?17:27
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dbiteyes, I in favour17:28
dbite*I am17:28
MeganRyes17:28
sarobrluethi: session not settled yet17:29
rluethiactually, "a laptop with enough mem or disk" should not be hard to come by.17:29
ShillaSaebiagree yes17:29
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rluethiRAM requirements: 4 GB for the cluster17:29
sayalime too17:29
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matjazpsarob: can we make a session on Thursday?17:29
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annegentlesarob: for docs, we have cross project and a pod17:29
dbitesarob: our requirements are 4GB/ i5 machine17:29
dbiteit should/may work on i317:29
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matjazpsarob: I have some logistic problems and will have to go back on Friday morning17:29
sarobannegentle: okay, i need to work out a session slot with you this week if poss17:30
dbitesarob: ok, my time is quite flexible throughout the week17:30
dbiteso I guess we give preference to matjazp17:30
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sarobdbite, matjazp okay , fri is out, so summit session prefered tue to thur17:31
annegentlesarob: right, looks like you need the pod Thursday then17:31
matjazpso Mo-Th is prefered17:31
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sarobmatjazp mon is slammed for me already :(17:32
sarobannegentle thursday looks good17:32
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matjazpsarob: we can use doodle? everyone enters appropriate slots..17:33
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sarobaction sarob create a training guides kilo summit doodle for design session slot options17:33
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sarob#action sarob create a training guides kilo summit doodle for design session slot options17:34
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sarob#action sarob start the etherpad on training guides kilo release cycle priorities and design session topics17:35
saroblets talk scripts shall we?17:35
annegentlesarob: we have the Documentation etherpad here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit17:35
sarobannegentle: cool, I will just add another section then17:36
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sarob#action sarob update Documentation etherpad here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit with priorities and topics17:37
sarob#topic infra17:37
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dbiteas stated earlier, custom builds/tests are on the way17:39
dbiteI have started with building upstream training content17:39
dbitehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/12624617:39
rluethiscripts are usable now. I have some patches pending, but there are no major bugs as of now.17:39
dbiteplease clone this patch and run $tox17:39
dbiteand you can have the HTML and PDF under upstream-training/target/ folder17:40
dbitefor now the patch will have to wait till we clear our a few dependencies with infra project17:40
sarobthat would be awesome if reed can reference the repo during the pre summit training17:41
dbiteyes17:41
dbitehe can definatly do that17:41
reedsarob, in what sense 'reference'?17:41
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dbitereed: use the repo directly for presenting17:41
reeddbite, that's the intention, yes17:42
dbitegenerating the ppts in the repo using the tools17:42
sarobdbite reed yup17:42
dbitereed: I think you will love the patch in that case :)17:42
dbitethe pdf files do not have the background theme, I will be working on it a bit later if that is ok with you17:42
rluethiwe will have zip/tgz files with the labs directory content, hopefully in the not too distant future (also depending on how urgent people feel it is)17:42
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dbiteI have one question regarding the upstream-training content which directly impacts infra17:43
dbitehow do we expose the html and pdf files on docs.openstack.org/training-guides ??17:43
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dbiteand suggestions/solutions?17:43
matjazprluethi: what about DL of prepared images? we talked about that few moths back...17:43
matjazp*months17:43
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reeddbite, indeed, cool stuff. I am issuing a call for help with the html theme17:44
dbitematjazp: I think it is better not to prepackage Images17:44
dbitereed: sure :)17:44
matjazpdbite: why?17:44
dbitewe do not have the resources (h/w limitations)17:44
dbiteand its more easier to build the scripts17:44
sarobif we continue on the creating slides from script theme17:45
dbitewe need jenkins jobs, someone has to verify the images etc. etc.17:45
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sarobthen perhaps we could start making it user configurable17:45
saroband saving the user configured for others to reuse17:45
rluethimatjazp: we can still do it. the problem is exporting/importing the cluster, in particular network configuration. do you have a solution for that?17:46
matjazprluethi: hmm... Vagrant?17:46
matjazprluethi: oh.. you mean automatic export of netw?17:46
rluethimatjazp: I am seriously considering dropping Vagrant altogether. It has too many limitations.17:46
rluethimatjazp: plus nobody seemed to be using it.17:47
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matjazprluethi: netw conf is more or less static, right? we could manually create proper netw config with Vagrant (or batch), and DL already prepared images17:49
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rluethimatjazp: I am a bit skeptical, because I am trying to reduce complexity, but I'd be happy to discuss this with you.17:50
matjazprluethi: ok17:50
dbitematjazp: let us discuss this over the summit, what do you think?17:50
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matjazpsure... I'm all for it17:51
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dbitematjazp: you will loose snapshots and other issues which we face17:51
matjazpdbite: yes, I know17:51
dbitewith bundled images17:51
dbiteif we make the scripts 100% (near) reliable17:51
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sarobdbite will do when i get into the office17:51
rluethimatjazp: for instance, rebooting during provisioning is sort of lacking in Vagrant17:52
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dbitesarob: you need to run the scripts, they are awesome17:52
sarobdbite :)17:52
dbitesarob: :)17:52
matjazprluethi: hmmm.. there seems to be some workarounds17:53
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matjazprluethi: but yes... maybe the added complexity is not worth it17:54
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sarobtime check peoples17:55
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sarob#topic any other business to discuss17:55
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sarobi have started placing items into #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit17:56
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sarobi guess i got everyone onto the etherpad :)17:58
dbite:D17:58
sarobi will call this latest version of the training guides team meeting at a close17:59
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MeganRHave a good week!17:59
sarobthanks for all your hard work17:59
sarobcheers!17:59
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dbitebye17:59
sayaliBye17:59
sarob#endmeeting18:00
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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party18:00
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krtayloranyone here for third-party ?18:01
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patrickeasti am18:01
bmwiedemannand I18:01
swestonGreetings!18:01
kevinbentono/18:01
ociuhandui am18:01
ociuhanduhello all18:01
krtaylorhi everyone18:01
luqashi18:01
krtaylorwelcome!18:02
krtaylor#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:02
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krtaylor#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:02
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krtaylorand here is the agenda:18:02
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krtaylor#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#10.2F06.2F1418:03
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krtaylorok so review time18:03
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krtaylor#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:03
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krtaylorthe only one was mine18:03
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krtaylorI did basically distill all the later ideas I had, plus the ones earlier, it really boils down to how do we get CI ops to be better community citizens18:04
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krtaylorand have checks for making sure that happens18:04
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krtaylorso I added a line to the infra eitherpad18:05
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krtaylorhere is a link to the etherpad we created18:05
krtaylor#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items18:05
krtaylorand a link to the infra one for summit:18:05
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krtaylorhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics18:06
krtayloroops18:06
krtaylor#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics18:06
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krtaylorso, I am not suggesting that this is the only summit topic to come out of that list18:06
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krtaylorbut, I got to thinking about what anteaya said, about how many of these items could be started with a patch set18:07
krtaylorand that really trims it down a bit18:07
anteayagreat18:07
krtaylorany comments or concerns?18:07
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anteayaare we ready to address the third party etherpad?18:08
anteayaand bring it into organization?18:08
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anteayaor do we think that there are more ideas to come?18:08
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krtaylorgood question, but I have not seen any new ideas since mine, anyone?18:08
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kevinbentonwhat does “policy on developers as operators?” refer to?18:09
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anteayakevinbenton: which line?18:09
kevinbenton3918:09
kevinbentonof kilo-third-party-items18:09
krtaylorwell, thats my spin on operators being more involved18:09
anteayathanks18:09
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krtaylorit is a bit heavy handed, and not enforceable18:10
kevinbentondo you mean operators as developers?18:10
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bmwiedemannso operators should have signed the CLA?18:10
krtayloryes, except that they become openstack developers first18:11
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krtayloryeah, I guess that is where I was headed, how can they give back without it?18:11
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kevinbentonok, i’m +1 for that. it’s very useful even for the operators to understand the workflow that devs go through18:12
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swestonYes, I had something to add here ... other projects have launchpad pages for tracking bugs, including categories such as "low hanging fruit", which would be a good place for folks to get involved.  Has there been any discussion on setting something like this up for third party CI?18:12
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krtayloryes, its infra18:12
kevinbentoni like the idea of getting a service account requiring a patch as well18:13
bmwiedemannkrtaylor: CI operators could give back without CLA by supplying useful testing results18:13
swestonI understand, but there is no separation for third party items, as far as I know, is there?18:13
krtaylorkevinbenton, I suggested that we use a patch to be a request for service account, others have as well18:13
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kevinbentonkrtaylor: right. I was referring to your entry on the etherpad18:14
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kevinbentonisn’t a CLA required just to post results anyway?18:14
krtayloryeah, thats a grey area18:14
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* krtaylor not a lawyer18:14
anteayakevinbenton: the CLA is not required for a gerrit third party account18:15
kevinbentonanteaya: oh okay. i didn’t realize that18:15
anteayaglad you asked18:16
* bmwiedemann remembers that gettings these CLAs signed in big corporations can easily take some months18:16
krtaylorbut, it could be? but then how would the service and a developer be linked?18:16
anteayathey aren't18:16
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anteayaa gerrit third party account is not linked to a particular dev18:16
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anteayait is linked to an ssh key18:17
anteayathe holder of the private key has access to the account18:17
anteayaalso18:17
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ociuhandukrtaylor: I think it should not, as there cen be multiple operators and then it’s going to be problematic which operator/developer account is linked to a third-party ci gerrit account18:17
anteayathe CLA does not have to be a part of this discussion18:17
krtaylorhonestly, a CI operator really has to be a developer, it requires such a high level of commitment18:17
anteayasince there are some repos that do not require a cla18:17
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anteayaI'm behind the operator has to at least understand the dev workflow direction18:18
anteayaand it is possible to accomplish that without requiring clas18:18
anteayaas long as the repo does not require a cla to post a commit to it18:19
krtaylorI guess so, hm, but it seems it is a good gesture if they already know the process18:19
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anteayait makes a world of difference to their behaviour and how all third party operators are percieved if they at least have an understanding of what they are doing18:20
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anteayaso are we organizing the etherpad for the third party topics?18:21
anteayain order of priority?18:21
krtaylortrue, I always felt that the very last step of getting CI running and reporting would be to ask for a service account18:21
anteayaor are we doing something else?18:21
anteayakrtaylor: hindsight18:21
krtaylorI took an action to distill into ides for infra18:21
krtaylorideas too18:22
anteayaand I wish everyone had that18:22
anteayaso what are we doing, organizing the third party etherpad or no?18:22
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krtaylorso, we could do an etherpad organize now18:22
anteayaokay18:22
anteayaso what is a potential top priority item on the etherpad?18:23
krtaylorI guess I already voted18:23
krtaylorHow do we get third-party CI ops to become good infra citizens and contributing developers (krtaylor)18:23
krtaylorthat is from the infra etherpad18:24
anteayaany objections to that being a priority topic?18:24
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anteayaspeak up if you disagree18:24
ociuhandukrtaylor: +118:25
anteayakrtaylor: please copy/paste it to the priority section18:25
anteayaanyone else see an item that they feel should be recognized as priority?18:25
ociuhanduThird party CI system realibility18:26
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anteayaociuhandu: I agree with that18:26
anteayaany objections to that being another priority item?18:26
krtayloryeah, that is another common theme18:26
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anteayaociuhandu: can you add that to the list of priorities please?18:27
krtaylorI see salv-orlando 's ideas as good discussion points for #1 too18:27
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anteayakrtaylor: great, we can discuss them with that topic18:27
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anteayaanyone see a third item as priority?18:27
anteayafrom the list on the etherpad?18:28
krtaylorself regulating was my last possibility, and what that means, how it could be done18:28
anteayaany objection to this being the third priority for the summit session?18:28
krtaylorbut that kind of relates to good infra citizens18:29
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anteayaI think it is separate enough to have its own bullet point18:29
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krtaylorfair enough18:29
anteayakrtaylor: can you add that as the third item please?18:29
ociuhandujust a thought on point 1: I think also documenting on how a third-party CI should be deployed (in order to make sure conrtibutions can easily be sent upstream) would be great and afaik there’s no “step-by-step guide” for this18:29
anteayaand I think that is enough for me to go to ttx now and jockey for a spot18:29
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anteayaociuhandu: can you add that down below, under the general section?18:30
anteayaociuhandu: it is a good point and we can discuss that during the point #1 portion18:30
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anteayafair enough?18:30
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ociuhandusure18:31
anteayathanks18:31
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anteayaokay thank you, I think I have enough to move on with18:31
krtaylorok, lets move on then18:32
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krtaylor#topic Announcements18:32
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krtaylornothing in the agenda, any quick announcements?18:32
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krtayloronward then18:33
krtaylor#topic OpenStack Program items18:33
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krtayloranteaya, I added you, mainly as a placeholder for a project-config discussion18:33
anteayaawesome18:34
anteayaI'm a great placeholder18:34
anteayaproject-config18:34
anteayawhat shall we talk about?18:34
krtaylorI know it was a good thing, but it impacted several systems18:34
anteayayes18:34
anteayathere is no way that it couldn't18:34
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krtaylorI was hoping some from my team would be here to discuss the impacts we have seen, but they are busy fixing our system  :)18:35
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anteaya:D18:36
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krtaylorbut, it might be really good for us to break down the impacts and document them, some of that has already been done18:36
anteayadocumentation is always good18:37
anteayablog posts are great too18:37
krtaylor++18:37
krtaylorand then the second part of that is heads up on the system-config changes18:37
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anteayaheads up18:37
krtaylorhehheh, any comments on that?18:38
anteayahttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:config-rename,n,z18:38
anteayathere they are, I need to rebase most of the project-config ones18:38
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anteayado review18:38
anteayathey will get discussed at tomorrow's infra meeting and hopefully a time set for gerrit to come down, the patches to merge and the rename to happen18:39
anteayathere are a bunch of manual changes that have to take place which is why gerrit is down for the rename18:39
krtaylorgreat18:39
anteayawe try to select a friday or slow time but that isn't possible anymore18:40
anteayasince we have no slow times18:40
anteayajust slower times18:40
anteayaso someone will be upset18:40
krtayloryes, that would be good to spread out, especially to the teams that don't monitor -infra like they should18:40
anteayawe communicate18:40
krtaylor(back to the developer discussion)18:40
anteayain the infra meeting and with emails to dev18:41
anteayabut someone is always surprised18:41
krtayloryes18:41
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krtaylorok, I think we covered those18:41
krtaylorany questions from anyone?18:41
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krtaylorthe second item we already did, that was topics for infra summit sessions18:42
krtayloranteaya, feel free to edit/overwrite my line in the infra summit etherpad18:43
* anteaya feels no need to do so at this time18:43
krtaylorfair enough18:43
krtayloronward18:44
krtaylor#topic Deadlines & Deprecations18:44
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krtaylornothing here, anyone?18:44
krtaylornext18:44
krtaylor#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:44
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krtayloralso zilch18:44
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krtaylorand finally18:45
krtaylor#topic Open Discussion18:45
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krtaylorthe floor is open, anyone?18:45
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krtaylorI hope everyone is planning on going to summit18:46
krtaylorI'd really like to meet more of you all18:46
anteayathe blissful lull of start of Kilo18:46
krtaylorhehheh18:46
anteayaagreed18:46
anteayawho is attending summit18:46
anteayao/18:46
swestono/18:46
krtayloro/18:46
luqaso/18:47
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anteaya4 is a good start18:47
ociuhanduwill be there18:47
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anteayaociuhandu: great, 518:47
krtaylorhm, we may have to have a beer and /or lunch design session :)18:48
bmwiedemannwill be there, too18:48
anteayaawesome18:48
dane_leblancBeer? I'll be there.18:48
ociuhandukrtaylor: +218:48
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ociuhandu:)18:49
anteayakrtaylor: not a bad idea18:49
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krtaylorI'm sure we'd draw some neutron and cinder folks as well18:49
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krtayloranteaya, are there any new CI requirements discussions coming up that you know about?18:50
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anteayakrtaylor: I hope not18:50
krtaylorother projects18:50
krtaylorhehheh18:50
anteayaI'll be running around at summit18:50
anteayaI'll know more then18:50
anteayathe only project I know doing an overhaul is neutron18:51
krtayloryep, keep me posted, I'll sit in on as many as I can18:51
anteayawhich reminds me I need to attend a meeting and find out more18:51
krtaylorwe have 3 more meetings then summit18:52
krtaylorshould we cancel the Nov 3rd meeting?18:52
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krtaylorI doubt I'll be available to run it18:52
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krtaylorwe can discuss that next week18:53
anteayalet's cancel the Nov 3 meeting18:53
anteayawe will be too busy meeting to have the meeting18:53
krtayloryeah, makes sense18:53
ociuhanduanteaya: +118:53
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krtaylorI'll put it on the meeting page18:53
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krtaylorok, if nothing else, I'll wrap this up early for a change18:54
anteayathanks18:54
krtaylorthanks everyone18:54
krtaylor#endmeeting18:54
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swestonthanks18:54
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ociuhanduthanks18:54
ociuhandubye all18:55
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devanandaanyone here for the Ironic meeting?18:59
dtantsuro/18:59
jroll\o18:59
Shrews\o/18:59
adam_go/18:59
lucasagomeso/18:59
rlooo/18:59
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devanandagreat, let's get started19:00
JayF\o/19:00
devananda#startmeeting Ironic19:00
harshada_kakado/19:00
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NobodyCamo/19:00
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devanandaas usual, our agenda is on the wiki19:00
devananda#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic19:00
devananda#topic announcements19:00
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devanandaprobably something everyone is aware of, but we tagged RC1 last week :)19:00
NobodyCam:) w00 h0019:01
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devanandacheers for all the work fixing bugs lately, folks!19:01
lucasagomesgreat!19:01
devanandaso, until the final release is tagged on Oct 16th, please test it19:01
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linggaoo/19:02
devanandaand if you find bugs that are still release critical, please tag them in LP with "juno-rc-potential"19:02
devanandaafter Oct 16th, the tag will become "juno-backport-potential"19:02
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devanandaalso, Kilo is now open for specs19:03
devanandaI posted a few changes to the spec template and its unit tests last week19:03
NobodyCam:) and the reviews are already underway. very good job to all :)19:03
devanandathat's the only release announcement from me. I'll save the discussions of summit for the next topics19:04
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devanandaNobodyCam, lucasagomes: any other annoncements?19:04
NobodyCamyou covered what I had19:04
NobodyCam:)19:04
lucasagomesyeah I think we are good19:04
lucasagomescan't think about anything else19:04
devananda#topic Juno status19:04
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devanandaactually I think I just covered this section ... moving on ...19:05
devananda#topic Kilo planning19:05
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devanandaok! Kilo! so, specs are open :)19:05
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devanandalet's talk a bit about the summit as we now have more details on the scheduling19:05
NobodyCamwould love more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126019/19:05
devanandawe've got 4 design slots on wed. morning and 1 on thurs. afternoon19:06
lucasagomessomeone has a link handy to the scheduling?19:06
adam_ghttp://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/19:06
devananda#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/19:06
lucasagomescheers19:06
devananda#link http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/722245d15f368a720d95c9a9bbb77100#.VDLALHWx15Q19:06
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devanandaand19:06
devananda#link http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/10c3a654c250f60b9efc7f18cd7d2cb8#.VDLoSHWx15Q19:06
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lucasagomesouch yeah it conflicts with JayF talks :/19:07
devanandaI've asked the organizers to bump JayF's talk so it won't conflict with our sessions19:07
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devanandathe reschedule tentatively looks good, but not confirmed yet19:07
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devanandawe also have a slot in the Operator track on Monday, which isn't shown yet on the schedule19:08
devanandaand a half-day meetup Friday afternoon (again, not shown yet)19:08
devanandaso19:08
devanandaI'd like to organize our discussions around that19:09
devanandagetting operator input Monday, cross project and conference things Tuesday, then most of our sessions on Wednesday19:09
devanandaand specifically for those things we need to build concensus on19:09
devanandalike exposing hardware capabilities19:09
rloowhat is Friday's 'contributors' meetup meant for?19:10
devanandarloo: unconference space specifically scheduled for Ironic. we get a room for 3.5hr19:10
rloodevananda: thx. a free-for-all then (just joking)19:10
devanandawe also (like all projects) have a "pod" where we can have unscheduled things19:10
jrollread: we all argue about things :)19:10
devanandawe could just sit together and hack on code19:10
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devanandaor have tea :)19:11
wanyendeva, what ironic related topics/event onTuesday afternoon?19:11
rlooand croissants19:11
lucasagomessounds like a sample of a mid-cycle :)19:11
devanandawanyen: tuesday there is a talk by jroll in the main conference track (I linked it above)19:11
devanandawanyen: our design sessions are on wednesday19:12
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wanyenokay.  Ihave a brownbag talk on Tuesday afternoon  as well19:12
jrollwanyen: have a link?19:12
wanyenI nned to find it. hold on19:12
devanandaany questions / thoughts / comments on the summit -- let's start discussing it19:13
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rloodevananda: will there be details later wrt what the tues cross-project workshops are?19:13
devanandafwiw, for the next two meetings, I expect this to take up a decent chunk of our time19:13
devanandarloo: eventually yes. but those might not be set until just a week before the summit19:13
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NobodyCamshould we add a voting coloum to the spread sheet as to what items we want for out sessions?19:14
devanandaoh, as a reminder, here's a link to our planning doc19:14
wanyenjroll: I don't have a link. it's ILo driver talk at 2:30 pm on Tuesday19:14
devananda#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=019:14
lucasagomesright, so we have 4 slots and lot of items in the spreedsheet19:14
NobodyCam#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=019:14
lucasagomeswe should start voting on them maybe?19:14
devanandalucasagomes: 5 slots. 4 are wed. 1 is thurs. (the split is odd...)19:14
lucasagomesoh yeah my bad 519:15
devanandaI might have forgotten to say that19:15
NobodyCamso vote for your top 8 and we'll take the top 519:15
NobodyCam???19:15
devanandavote by adding your name in the "interested" section19:15
devanandaand keep adding ideas, too19:15
lucasagomesright19:15
wanyenI plan to enter a few items to the spreadsheet19:15
lucasagomesmaybe we should merge some of the talks too19:16
lucasagomeswe did it last summit, if we think that it's small or the topic are related19:16
NobodyCamwanyen: please do soon as we are asking folks to vote on items19:16
devanandawe don't need to settle the schedule until Oct 27, though I'd like to finish it by Oct 2519:16
JayFheh, if putting your name in interested is voting19:16
JayFthen I need to unvote19:16
wanyenwhen will we start vote on the topics?19:16
jrollnow?19:17
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rloodumb question. what is the purpose of the 'design' sessions? I don't recall much design stuff from previous summits.19:17
NobodyCamyea there are already names in the interested col19:17
devanandarloo: right. well. we should be designing things in those meetings19:17
wanyenI will enter my topics tonight19:17
devanandafor example, at the midcycle we discusssed how we might expose hardware / driver capabilities or properties in a generic way19:18
devanandasuch that Nova flavors could be used to just-in-time reconfigure hardware19:18
rlooso we vote on things/features that we know we need/want in ironic, and we discuss the design of those features at the summit?19:18
devanandaJayF and I have some similar thoughts on this19:18
devanandabut I dont think it's been widely discussed19:19
devanandaso the summit might be a good time to discuss that large of a change19:19
lucasagomesrloo, that's how I see it yes... tho time is always a problem19:19
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* JayF cares more about specific hardware configuration not ending up as a "public" API in Ironic19:19
NobodyCamJIT hardware reconfigure19:19
devanandawhereas. I wouldn't want everyone to spend time discussing the changes for a single driver there19:19
rlooit seems to me that the spec process is a good way to get the design down.19:19
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devanandarloo: I agree - it is usually enough, but sometimes, not19:19
devanandarloo: hardware discovery is another one. we've had a LOT of specs for that and no real agreement yet19:20
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rloodevananda: so we should focus on those features that we think would benefit from people being there.19:20
rlooface-to-face, with tomatoes or whatever.19:20
devanandaexactly19:20
rloogotcha ;)19:20
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devanandaand things which may not require quite as wide an audience could then get scheduled for unconference / hackathon / BoF time19:21
wanyenlink for the openstack brownbag techtalk schedule http://openstack.prov12n.com/vbrownbag-techtalk-schedule-at-openstack-summit-paris-2/19:22
NobodyCam#link http://openstack.prov12n.com/vbrownbag-techtalk-schedule-at-openstack-summit-paris-219:22
* lucasagomes googles BoF19:22
devanandabirds-of-a-feather19:22
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* dtantsur still does not understand :(19:23
devanandaBoF = informal after hours have pizza and beer together and talk about something19:23
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devanandadtantsur: what can I help clarify?19:23
dtantsuryou just did :)19:23
devananda:)19:23
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rlooand/or on Friday's contributor meetup.19:23
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devanandaoh, also, I'd like to ask everyone - how many folks want to (and what's a good night to) have an Ironic team dinner?19:24
lucasagomes+119:24
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wanyen+119:24
rloo+119:24
devanandaand would folks prefer a proper dinner or an open birds-of-a-feather session?19:24
rloodevananda: define them both?19:24
lucasagomesboth will end up on discussions no?19:25
devanandadinner = ironic ATC's get an invite to a restaurant19:25
NobodyCamdinner with friends, who may happen to chat about worky things too19:25
lucasagomesBoF sounds better to me, informal and we get to talk19:25
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devanandaBoF = we order lots of take-out food to be delivered to the conference hall after-hours and sit around chatting with whoever shows up19:25
jrollI'm fine with either, but we should definitely get together19:25
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lucasagomes+1 jroll19:26
dtantsurboth sound nice :)19:26
NobodyCamif pressed to vote I'd vote informal19:26
NobodyCambut am okay with either19:26
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devanandaI've heard two votes for informal, none for formal19:26
* dtantsur has a modification to BoF variant with setting under the Eiffel Tower, but not sure about whether19:27
dtantsur* sitting19:27
devanandadtantsur: heh. I hear it rains a lot in early November19:27
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devanandagiving it another minute before we move on ...19:27
rlooas long ad takeout food is good ;)19:27
rlooad -> as19:27
lucasagomesit will be cold too19:27
dtantsurrloo ++19:27
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rlooinformal at a restaurant?19:28
devanandalucasagomes: yea. cold and rainy.19:28
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lucasagomesplus loads of people around the tower19:28
devanandarloo: that's a party. there are already lots of those planned ;)19:28
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rlooinformal at a restaurant without LOUD music ;)19:28
devanandaok, I'll start scheduling a BoF, probably later in the week as Mon-Wed I will probably be busy19:29
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NobodyCamdevananda: ++19:29
devanandacan't wait to see all of you :)19:29
rloothat probably means Thur, cuz Fri evening might not be good.19:29
devananda#topic sub team reports19:29
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devanandaadam_g: hi! any news on the CI front?19:29
adam_gso im still trying to get our grenade job functional again after fallout from some devstack changes19:30
adam_gfixed one issue, but another has slipped through19:30
adam_galso going through the parallel failures that are still occurring and trying to do a quick triage of each to see what failures are real and which are transient19:30
devanandaadam_g: the grenade job will move to stable/juno once that branch is cut, so we just need trunk working for another two weeks, right?19:31
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adam_gi'd like to propose we get our stuff voting in other projects (namely devstack, tempest, grenade) before we make them voting on ironic. increasing # of running jobs increases the risk of breaking changes merging elsewhere19:31
devanandaadam_g: actually, nm. juno-rc is tagged on everythign already19:31
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devanandaadam_g: yea, those three ++19:31
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adam_gare there any issues that would prevent that from happening now that we are fully graduated?19:32
devanandaadam_g: for devstack/tempest/grenade, none that I know of19:33
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devanandaadam_g: for nova, I *think* it's fine to start voting there too, now, since kilo is open19:33
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devanandaadam_g: nova may or may not want the grenade job to vote on stable/juno -- that's up to them. I think it should, and I think they'll want it to19:33
devanandabut that's not spelled out in the gov guidelines19:34
devanandasdague: if you're around, have a minute to answer test/voting questions?19:34
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adam_gokay, i'd still like to give the parallel tempest job and  grenade a bit to stabilize and find bugs, but the current check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ssh has proveb to be stable and should be good to vote19:34
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devanandaadam_g: sounds good19:35
devanandadtantsur: how are our bug stats looking?19:35
dtantsurpretty well19:35
dtantsurOpen: 89 (-5). 4 new (+1), 21 in progress (-5), 0 critical, 9 high (-3) and 4 incomplete (0)19:35
dtantsuradded one about ceilometer fields naming19:36
devanandanice19:36
NobodyCamgreat numbers :)19:36
dtantsurI'd ask someone to have a look at it19:36
lucasagomes:)19:36
devananda#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/137715719:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1377157 in ceilometer "ipmi sensor naming in ceilometer is not consumer friendly" [Undecided,In progress]19:36
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devanandaceilometer team seems to agree that it's a bug in their meter naming and, i think, is working on a fix for Juno19:36
dtantsurso we can confirm it?19:37
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NobodyCamdevananda: Juno? is there a review?19:37
lucasagomesyeah, we may want to mark that as invalid/won't fix for Ironic19:37
devanandalucasagomes: ++19:37
dtantsurah, so we can't fix it?19:37
* dtantsur is confused19:37
devanandathough, also, Jim Mankovich is going to be proposing some changes to Irnoic during Kilo to improve sensor data handling for non-ipmi drivers19:38
lucasagomesdtantsur, the bug is not in Ironic, it's the way the data is consumed/transformed in ceilo19:38
dtantsurah I see. won't fix then?19:38
lucasagomesNobodyCam, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126397/19:38
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lucasagomesdtantsur, +1 for me19:39
devanandak, i'll update teh bug in Ironic19:39
dtantsurthanks19:39
devanandaI dont have any other bugs to discuss -- anyone else?19:39
NobodyCamahh ok that was put up today19:39
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dtantsuralso https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1239481  <-- long-standing, people say it's serious, I don't understand as well :(19:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1239481 in neutron "nova baremetal requires manual neutron setup for metadata access" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:40
wanyendeva, so for the hw sensor that Jim is proposing  should I enter it inthe spreadsheet?19:40
jrolldoes that affect ironic?19:40
devanandawanyen: sure, but I suspect it's a fairly simple change and won't need summit discussion time19:40
wanyenYes.  It will have someimpact as we want to be able to emit sensors to other destination19:40
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devanandajroll: you and wanyen / jim should chat about statsd integration19:41
JayFthat is proposed by aweeks19:41
JayFnot by jroll19:41
devanandadtantsur: that bug is very old. are we sure it's still a problem for Ironic?19:41
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JayFre: statsd integration19:41
wanyenwe want to emit data to monasca19:41
dtantsurdevananda, I am not definitely19:41
devanandaJayF: ah, right. I keep tagging him for everything ... sorry :p19:41
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JayFdevananda: that's explicitly why I corrected it :P we have a whole group of people here19:42
lucasagomesdtantsur, hmm I don't know much about it too... but sounds like something that nova would do when creating the instance, and ports in neutron etc...19:42
lucasagomesidk if we can do something in our end to fix that19:42
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devanandadtantsur: ah, ok. yes, that definitely affects Ironic19:43
devanandadtantsur: it will be problematic for any Ironic deployment larger than a single L2 domain19:43
dtantsurdevananda, mind confirming/triaging please?19:44
devanandadtantsur: confirmed. not sure of priority since I'm actually not sure the fix lies within Ironic at all19:44
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devanandaI suspect the fix is "use a neutron plugin that supports your HW switch"19:44
devanandabut need to dig in more19:44
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dtantsurwell, we need to have some priority IIRC19:44
devananda#action devananda to follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/123948119:44
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1239481 in neutron "nova baremetal requires manual neutron setup for metadata access" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:44
dtantsurcool thanks19:45
devanandamoving on so we dont run out of time19:45
dtantsurthat's all :)19:45
devanandaGheRivero: hi!19:45
devanandaGheRivero: if you'd like to continue being our oslo liaison - I think taht's great. thanks!19:45
NobodyCam+1 vote for GheRivero19:46
NobodyCam:-p19:46
devanandaanyone else want to work with oslo team on osloification of things?19:46
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devanandaok :)19:47
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rloodevananda: ? you mean if GheRivero doesn't?19:47
devanandadrivers! wow, we're running out of time too19:47
devanandajroll: wanyen: linggao: hi! any news from the driver side of things?19:47
jrollI have nothing afaik :)19:47
linggaoHi devananda, nothing new from here.19:47
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devanandagreat19:48
lucasagomesdoes that include rpc objects?19:48
devanandaI know ya'll are working on CI for each of your respective drivers19:48
lucasagomesof so I'd like to help to oslofy it19:48
wanyenwe are doing internal review for the doc.  Are there any quideline for vendor driver in terms of what to submit and what to put on the ilo driver wiki?19:48
lucasagomesif so*19:48
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devanandaI was pinged by stackalytics folks re: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog yesterday19:48
wanyenI meant docment quideline for vendor drivers19:48
devanandaso I've posted some initial bits to get that going for Ironic19:49
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jrolldevananda: neat19:49
devananda#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12636919:50
NobodyCam10 minutes to go before the bell19:50
devanandaanything wrong there, feel free to tell me or post on top of19:50
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devanandawanyen: anything a user of the driver would need to know -- like config options, how the environment must be set up (esp. how it is different from other drivers)19:50
devanandalucasagomes: you mentioned adding DRAC to the drivers section of the meeting -- I did19:51
devanandalucasagomes: but I'm not sure whothe point of contact for that is19:51
wanyendeva, tx19:52
lucasagomesdid I? well ifarkas would be a good point of contact but he's busy19:52
jrolldevananda: if I make a comment on that review, mind adding some more IPA maintainers?19:52
lucasagomesso maybe myself as I have access to a DRAC and can test stuff19:52
devanandalucasagomes: ack, thanks19:52
devanandajroll: dont' mind at all19:52
jrollthanks19:52
devanandamoving on then19:52
devananda#topic open discussion19:53
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lucasagomes#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9942619:53
lucasagomesthanks NobodyCam for adding that ^19:53
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NobodyCamjust a open question should test ass items in to the ironic.conf. <- in ref to : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125361/2/ironic/tests/db/base.py19:54
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NobodyCams/ass/add/19:54
NobodyCam:-p19:54
jrollNobodyCam: nooooo19:55
lucasagomesso folks, r you guys happy to remove things like local_gb, memory_mb etc... and have a generic name where we can add suffixes for the values to determine the unit size?19:55
jrollironic.conf.sample should be a good starting point for production use19:55
jrollNobodyCam: ^19:55
devanandaNobodyCam: that's very odd looking to me19:55
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lucasagomes(ofc we need to leave those options to be backward for cycle at least)19:55
devanandalucasagomes: yep. backwards compat ++19:55
jrollNobodyCam: there's probably a way to do that19:55
dtantsurlucasagomes ++19:56
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NobodyCamack just wanted to point that out19:56
jrolllucasagomes: I'd like to see the nova driver impact but generally +119:56
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devanandalucasagomes: it may be worth noting that our API doesn't expose -any- means to indicate to a user that certain "properties"fields are expected / compatible / deprecated / removed19:56
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lucasagomesjroll, not much, well... these values comes from the flavor so we just need to change the way we create the json patch in nova (as far as I see it)19:57
devanandalucasagomes: something like num_cpu and ram_gb aren't actually used by Ironic today (though they could be in some esoteric hardware) werehas local_gb *is* used19:57
jrolllucasagomes: right, the driver would tack on the unit string, yes?19:57
lucasagomesdevananda, oh yeah, indeed. We can add a doc, and a LOG if those options are used19:57
devanandalucasagomes: if we change that, anyone who is not using Nova will be affected and unaware of it19:57
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devanandajroll: right19:57
lucasagomesjroll, yup...19:58
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jrollI'm still a bit confused why we don't just assume MB everywhere :/19:58
lucasagomesalso flavors are opinionated about the unit sizes right now (just like we are), so it would patch with memory=512MB for e.g19:58
lucasagomesand we convert it in ironic19:58
devanandaNobodyCam: I think your question is, should CONF options be defined in the unit tests, not how taht relates to our sample config file19:58
devanandajroll: because Nova19:58
jrolldevananda: convert it in the driver19:59
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devanandajroll: ++19:59
jrolleither way we're messing with it19:59
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jrolllike... don't see the use case for accepting gb19:59
devanandaoh19:59
devanandaso19:59
lucasagomesjroll, that was my 2nd attempt of fixing the unit inconsistency (1st was everything GB), but got some push backs... so maybe having it very flexible is good19:59
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NobodyCamdevananda: yes .. much better wording19:59
NobodyCamone minute19:59
devanandathe reason is, we don't SET it from the nova driver, Nova reads it from Ironic19:59
NobodyCambeep20:00
jrolldevananda: ...through the driver interface20:00
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devanandaand we need Nova to understand when it reads "512" from Ironic what that means in terms of its flavors20:00
devanandaanyhow, lets continue that in channel20:00
devanandathanks all!20:00
dtantsurthanks20:00
lucasagomescheers20:00
jrollthanks20:00
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NobodyCamgreat meeting20:00
devananda#endmeeting20:00
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sdake_howdy \o/20:02
sdake_#topic rollcall20:02
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fvollerohowdy \o/20:02
sdake_#topic agenda20:02
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sdake_https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting20:03
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sdake_anyone interested in adding any agenda items?20:03
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sdake_ok20:04
sdake_#topic Release cycle discussion20:04
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sdake_I have a proposal for our release cycle based upon my experiences with early days of Heat20:04
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sdake_What I'd like to do is have a milestone 1 and milestone 2 where we implement in a somewhat hacky fashion most of the functionality20:04
larsksHere!20:04
sdake_howdy larsks20:04
fvollerolarsks: howdy!20:04
sdake_milestone1 = Oct 17th (2 weeks out)20:05
sdake_milestone 2 = Oct 31 (4 weeks out)20:05
sdake_so 2 2 week dev cycles20:05
sdake_then 3 1 month dev cycles20:05
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sdake_then enter the integrated release20:05
sdake_(so 6 month cycles from that point forward)20:05
SpamapSsdake_: Have you given anyt hought to the swift model .. release more often and try very hard to never break an API?20:05
sdake_SpamapS I like that model actually :)20:06
sdake_but we will break the api early20:06
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sdake_I was thinking the integrated release will be when we freeze the api20:06
sdake_but I'm not totally clear on the best approach20:06
sdake_I'd just like to get a couple early releases out20:06
SpamapSOh I'd call that 1.0 then. :)20:06
sdake_I find this helpful to set stakes in the ground :)20:06
SpamapS0.xx == we might break the API20:06
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larsks(Or even sdakes in the ground)20:07
* sdake_ has been called steak before :)20:07
larsks:)20:07
sdake_SpamapS that approach wfm20:07
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SpamapSalso It's looking more like there may not be an integrated release beyond the very tight core projects.20:07
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sdake_SpamapS ok that makes sense20:08
sdake_well, lets do this20:08
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sdake_Lets shoot for 2 milestones with 2 week windows20:08
sdake_and then revisit the topic?20:08
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fvollero /whois portante20:08
SpamapSbusted. ;)20:08
* sdake_ rofls20:08
portantepeter portante, works/worked on openstack swift20:09
fvolleroyep :)20:09
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larskssdake_: That sounds fine.20:09
portanteI work at Red Hat with rook20:09
fvolleroportante: yeah, wanna check before saying something stupid :)20:09
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sdake_ok cool, if there are no objections then we will proceed with the 17th as our milestone release 120:09
* SpamapS will support what the group decides, is just here to learn and interject at times. :)20:09
daneyonI agree with the 2 wk cycles then revisit.20:09
sdake_cool sounds like we have a winner :)20:10
sdake_#topic multi-dev workflow20:10
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sdake_larsks can you give us a description of the multi-dev workflow20:10
larsksSure.20:10
larsksThe build scripts that recently landed will, by default, push to a docker tag based on your current commit id.20:10
larsksThis helps to prevent stomping on someone else's images (but does not completely prevent it)20:10
larsksand it also prevents accidentally stomping on the release images.20:11
larsksThe build scripts can be configured locally so that, e.g., you always build into your own namespace instead.20:11
larsksAnd always to, e.g., the "latest" tag.20:11
larsksThere is a --release option that must be used when building to the kollaglue  namespace with the "latest" tag.20:11
larsksThat's it in a nutshell.20:11
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sdake_the cool thing about all this is we dont have to add a million people to the kolla upstream org in docker.io20:11
sdake_iirc there is documentation20:12
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larskssdake_: Yes, in docs/image-building.md20:12
sdake_cool, so devs, I'd recommend reading through that20:12
sdake_it should take 5-10 minutes20:12
larsksAnd yell at me if something is broken.20:12
sdake_any questions?20:12
fvollerosdake_: what about the environment ?20:13
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sdake_fvollerro I dont understand the Q20:13
sdake_which environment specifically?20:13
sdake_larsks can you link the heat-kube repo with #link?20:14
fvollerosdake_: yeah, sorry, dev environment, we need to be aligned, pinned to a min specific version of docker ?20:14
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larsks#link https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes20:14
sdake_fvollero check that out20:14
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sdakeany other QS?20:14
larsksfvollero: that link is not going to answer your question...but I don't think we're sensitive to docker version, at least as far as building goes.20:15
fvollerolarsks: sdake : thanks a bunch20:15
sdakecool20:15
sdake#topic crux20:15
* larsks hides.20:15
sdakerobot where are you20:15
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sdake_#topic crux20:15
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sdake_mind giving a rundown of crux larsks20:15
larsksSure.20:16
larsksSo, we need a way to create keystone users, tenants, services, endpoints, etc.  It needs to be idempotent, so that restarting a container does not blow up.  And it should not require a lot of extraneous shell script logic to make it work.20:16
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larsksI dusted off some code at wrote at my last job that handles this sort of thing for users, and expanded it to handle services and endpoints, too.20:16
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larsksYou can say, "user-create -n lars -t myproject -p secret -r admin", and it will:20:17
larsks- create the myproject tenant, if necessary20:17
SpamapSlarsks: there's a _ton_ of code in tripleo-image-elements and/or os-cloud-config that does this...20:17
larsks- create the "admin" role, if necessary,20:17
larsks- create the "lars" user, if necessary20:17
larsks- assign the role, if necessary20:17
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larsksI looked at the os-cloud-config stuff, and it looked like an unnecessarily big hammer.20:17
sdake_SpamapS I think there is general agreement we want to replace this with os-cloud-config in milesxtone 220:17
larsksI'm not sure.20:17
larsksIt's possible I didn't looked closely enough.20:18
sdake_the cool thing about os-cloud-config is it has all the magic20:18
larsksIf someone wants to put together a demo that uses os-cloud-config instead, that would be a useful comparison.20:18
SpamapSlarsks: perhaps the hammer got that big because tripleo has found the larger spikes deeper in.. ;)20:18
larsksSpamapS: Maybe, but we might not have the same issues.20:18
larsksAnyway, like I said, if someone can put together a demo that would help.20:18
larsksIn the meantime, I would like to advocate for approving my changes for now, because it will really simplify things in the short term.20:19
sdake_doesn't have to be a demo, patch would ge thte job done20:19
larsksWe can always wipe it out in favor of something eles down the road.20:19
sdake_ya if we can get some reviews on that change, it would be appreciated20:19
larsksIs there a way to see "all pending changes for the kolla project"?20:19
sdake_larsks do you have a link to the review20:19
sdake_larsks you can click watched projects20:19
sdake_and add kolla to your watched projects20:19
SpamapSIndeed, just pointing out that the need for an API bootstrap is not exactly new nor is it poorly handled in the existing code base.20:19
larskshere is that review: https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes20:20
larsksWhoops.20:20
larsksI meant: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126067/20:20
sdake_SpamapS my approach is fast and furious with lots of mistakes early on :)20:20
larsksStoopid multiple clipboards.20:20
sdake_I'd like to tidy these sorts of issues up though over time20:20
sdake_like after each milestone20:20
SpamapSsdake_: perhaps you can avoid _a few_ of the mistakes that we already made?20:20
sdake_agree20:20
sdake_it was just a joke :)20:20
sdake_vin diesel reference20:21
rhalliseyha20:21
SpamapSI'm pretty sure this particular part will "just work" as long as you have OpenStack API's. :)20:21
larsksSpamapS: Write us a demo! I stopped looking at os-cloud-config when it started trying to ssh places on me...20:21
sdake_so if we could get some reviews on 126067 it would be appreicated20:22
larsks...but I new that I already had some code handy that did this.20:22
larsksIf you can replace "crux" in that review with "os-cloud-config" with the same or similar semantics, I am all for it.20:22
sdake_well here is my take20:22
SpamapSlarsks: how does the current code initialize keystone's admin token and PKI?20:22
sdake_larsks already has a patch ready to go20:22
sdake_we fcan nuke it in milestone 220:22
sdake_and switch to os-*-*20:22
sdake_SpamapS does that approach work for you?20:23
larsksSpamapS: admin_token is set via an environment variable right now, since it needs to be shared across containers.20:23
SpamapSOh hey no don't stop for this. I am a big fan of set based design. I just want to make sure os-cloud-config isn't completely left behind because of a misunderstanding.20:23
larsksSpamapS: PKI is initialized using the PoC setup-pki-script, whatever it is called.20:23
SpamapSlarsks: ok, admin token works the same in the current code, and the SSH in is just to setup the PKI.20:24
sdake_SpamapS cool sounds like we are all in violent agreement then that os-cloud-config needs more analysis from the core team20:24
sdake_by more, I mean some :)20:24
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SpamapSlarsks: let's compare notes after the meeting20:24
sdake_any Qs?20:24
SpamapSor after the milestone20:24
SpamapSwhichever you choose. :)20:24
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larsksSpamapS: Either!  But not right after the meeting, because I will be commuting.20:24
sdake_#topic milestone #1 blueprints20:25
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sdake_#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-120:25
sdake_I believe this is the minimum set of features we want for milesetone 120:25
sdake_we can possibly drop heat and neutron if we want to hit the 17th and those aren't going to make it20:25
sdake_would folks open that up in their browser?20:25
larskssdake_: "keystone" is missing I think.20:26
larsksOoops.20:26
larsksnEver mind.20:26
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sdake_so 3 days of dev - 2 implements blueprints20:26
larsksShould "glance" be essential rather than "high"? We won't be able to boot into a nova container with it...20:26
sdake_\o/20:26
sdake_moving fast!@20:26
sdake_larsks just changed to essential20:27
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sdake_I'd like to go through each of the blueprints and get a status report if possible20:27
tsvhi there, I added a new blueprint to containerize Barbican: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kube-barbican-container20:27
sdake_radez any word on kube-glance-container?20:27
larskssdake_: I'd like to update on that, actually.20:27
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sdake_tsv sounds good I'll prioritize after meeting20:28
larskssdake_: I have working mariadb/keystone/glance as part of the work I was doing with the haproxy stuff.20:28
radezyea larsks did some work...20:28
larsksI fixed a bunch of stuff in the glance container as part of that, since I needed it working to test keystone integration.20:28
tsvsdake_, thanks!20:28
larsksI have a series of patches to land if folks are happy with the haproxy idea I floated on the mailing list.20:29
sdake_larsks cool so there are just some patches that need reviews?20:29
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larsksThere may be, pending response on that haproxy topic.  There are some pending reviews right now that probably need to land first.20:29
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sdake_cool20:30
daneyonsdake_: I have a neutron container running the API here #link https://github.com/danehans/docker-neutron-server I am working on building my kolla dev environmnt and porting over the work from my docker-neutron-server repo.20:30
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sdake_#action core team to review kolla patch queue to unblock glance20:30
sdake_daneyon nice!20:30
sdake_you want to take that blueprint then?20:30
rhalliseysdake_, I already gave it to him20:31
sdake_nice!20:31
sdake_libvirt20:31
sdake_in progress20:31
sdake_just started20:31
sdake_goign to be painful20:31
rhalliseysdake_, where you going to do nova-compute?20:31
rhalliseywere*20:32
sdake_rhallisey  mind giving us an update on nova-controller?20:32
sdake_yes I'm doing nova compute and libvirt20:32
rhalliseyok cool20:32
rhalliseyjust in progress, did a bunch of setup stuff over the weekend20:32
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daneyonsdake_: I think it will be difficult to get the other neutron services containerized by release.  When I started looking at containerizing neutron agents, it appears that we will need to leverage pipework to support multiple interfaces needed by neutron-openvswitch-agent.20:32
sdake_daneyon you mean by the 17th?20:32
larsksdaneyon: agreed.  using pipework is probably a non-started; we probably need kubernetes to support network interface provisioning.20:33
sdake_sounds like neutron just isn't going to make milestone 120:33
sdake_perhaps I should just bounce to milestone 2?20:33
daneyonsdake_: Yes. I have yet to do much of anything with pipework.20:33
sdake_ok i moved to milestone 220:34
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* larsks has to take off shortly for kid transportation reasons.20:34
sdake_kube-rabbitmq-container20:35
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sdake_jlabocki any status?20:35
larskssdake_: I can help out with that one if jlabocki is busy.20:35
sdake_larsks I think jpeeler is goign to tackle that20:35
larskssdake_: Awesome.20:35
sdake_if jlabocki is busy20:35
jpeeleryes!20:35
jlabockisdake: larks: that would appreciated20:36
sdake_cool go ahead and assing yourself jpeeler20:36
sdake_larsks can I change image-dev-workflow to "Needs Code Review"?20:36
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sdake_chmouel around?20:37
sdake_json-validate-gate20:37
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sdake_ok well I'll try to catch up with chmouel later and see where the json gate work is20:38
sdake_sounds like we are in really good shape - biggest problem atm is long review queue20:38
sdake_and nova needs implementation work20:38
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sdake_#topic milestone 1 bugs20:39
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sdake_#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-120:39
larskssdake_: sure.20:39
larskssdake_: re: needs code review20:39
sdake_these need triaging, so I'll go ahead and triage after meeting20:40
sdake_#action sdake to triage m1 bugs20:40
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sdake_I think these aer eall fixed btw20:40
sdake_anyone run into bugs not in the launchpad tracker?20:40
larsks54706420:40
sdake_If so, could folks _please_ submit bug reports in the launchpad tracker?20:40
daneyonwill do20:41
sdake_#topic mordred's DIB docker container work20:41
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sdake_mordred happen to be ar ound?20:41
larskssdake_: I have to run off.  I will review backlog later this evening.20:41
sdake_larsks sounds good thanks!20:41
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sdake_SpamapS do you know what Mordred has in mind here?  Was hoping to give an info sharing going20:42
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mordredwhat did I do?20:42
mordredoh - so, real quick20:43
sdake_mordred your WIP patch20:43
mordredthe idea is that the underlying engine/mechanism inside of dib be docker instead of a chroot20:43
mordredthis gets decent isolatino - and also means that if all you want is a docker container, you can just stop before making cloud images20:43
mordredbut then, if you want a qcow or somethign else, the additinoal step to export the tarball from docker and turn it into a qcow is easy to wrap the brain around20:44
mordrednice potential benefits are:20:44
mordred - take advantage of docker hubs being able to slurp image bits around20:44
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mordred - use the composability of dib elements to put together docker containers20:44
mordred - less running of sudo while making an image20:45
mordredin fact, sudo access is no longer needed for anything other than docker to qcow conversion20:45
mordredhow's that fora quick summary?20:45
sdake_nice20:45
SpamapSless sudo would be fantastic.20:45
mordredmost of the guts are done - I need to incorporate the static files patch I hadn't noticed20:46
sdake_I think you missed our early milestone approach - s o we are targeting m12 for oct 17, m2 for oct 3120:46
sdake_maybe this is something we can investigate in milestone 2 dev20:46
mordredand I need to rewrite almost every extra-data.d script in elements20:46
sdake_mordred sounds like fun :)20:46
SpamapSsounds to me like this is something to look at "when it is ready"20:46
mordredfwiw, I could almost certainly get it done by oct1720:46
sdake_SpamapS sounds good20:46
mordredit's really not that far off20:46
mordredbut I do agree - "when it's ready" is the right time20:46
SpamapSit has benefits outside kolla too20:46
sdake_ya we just can't use it by oct 1720:46
sdake_cool20:46
mordredSpamapS: ++20:47
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mordredI imagine it will have benefits both in and out of openstack - or at least I hope it will20:47
SpamapSthough it might mean we can't build images on RHEL520:47
mordredmeh20:47
* SpamapS REALLY hopes people get that joke.20:47
* mordred don't care20:47
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sdake_;-)20:47
daneyonWhat about using Packer for building images?20:47
sdake_got a link to pacvker?20:47
sdake_so many tools :)20:48
daneyon#link http://www.packer.io/20:48
mordredhonestly, last time I looked at packer I got hives20:48
mordredbut that's not a real reason20:48
sdake_#topic Open Discussion20:49
mordredoh - I rmemeber now20:49
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sdake_Ok folks, time for open discussion20:49
mordredpacker follows the model that we just moved _away_ from in infra20:49
mordredwhich is spinning up a cloud instance and then remote connecting to it to run commands inside of it20:49
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SpamapSsdake_: open question: is there a plan for how to update a Kolla installation?20:50
mspreitzmordred: because ... ?20:50
sdake_kill container20:50
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sdake_start container20:50
sdake_you just updated20:50
SpamapSthat's mechanical and manual, is there no automated update?20:50
sdake_oh it will be automated imo20:50
sdake_by kill container , I mean write data to the kube rest api20:51
sdake_one way it could work is scan containers on a 5 minute interval - if new update, t hen kill/start20:51
SpamapSand what about things like, you need to run a db migration somewhere in there, or update in a particular order?20:52
sdake_when you start a container in kube, if there is an update in the docker registry, it pulls the latest bits down20:52
SpamapSI'm getting at -> tripleo-ansible :)20:52
sdake_ordering updates is a challenge20:52
sdake_db migration should be easy20:52
tsvhow about using etcd for that ?20:52
sdake_etcd is part of kubernetes20:52
tsvyes, so why can't that be used to know when to update ?20:53
sdake_tsv yes, the rest api I am talking about is either etcd or kubernetes's mapping on etcd20:53
tsvah ok. thanks20:53
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SpamapSNot sure I'd say db migration is easy20:53
sdake_maybe not20:54
SpamapSNova, for instance, requires that you update the conductor, then run it, then update everything else.20:54
sdake_we have a general problem atm that data is not persistent20:54
sdake_kubernetes guys working on this problem20:54
mspreitzwhy did infra move away from the model that packer is using, and how is tripleo-ansible different?20:54
sdake_it is their #1 issue atm20:54
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SpamapStsv: knowing when to update is pretty easy. Knowing how to update is a workflow control problem and we're solving it in tripleo-ansible already.. so I was wondering if we can just insert awareness in all of your minds that it exists. :)20:54
SpamapSmspreitz: tripleo-ansible is agnostic of how images are built20:55
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SpamapSmspreitz: infra does not use tripleo-ansible20:55
SpamapStwo different things20:55
sdake_cool I caught the reference SpamapS - firehose reading the code basews for all the projects :)20:55
SpamapSsdake_: mmk just want to suggest that it be looked at when it comes to to automate updates.20:55
mordredmspreitz: infra moved away from it in favor of dib because it allows us to make one image and upload it to all of our cloud regions20:55
SpamapSwhen it comes _time_ to automate I mean20:56
mordredmspreitz: we are not doing it yet, but it also allows us to test the image before we upload it20:56
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mordredmspreitz: the packer model is ... fragile ... although totally workable - I mean, we did use it for the last 2 years (although not with packer)20:56
sdake_automate all the things :)20:56
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sdake_3 minutes left - any pressing issues?20:57
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sdake_ok, well folks if your in the review team, please please review20:58
sdake_the queues have been running a bit slow20:58
mordredmspreitz: one could theoretically model the same thing as dib-docker with packer if you used packer+docker and then did an export/conversion20:58
SpamapSwhaaaa review queue in openstack running slow!!??20:58
mordredbut at that point the question woudl be what content can you express in packer and what can you express in dib-elements20:58
sdake_SpamapS yes but we only have 5-10 patches outstanding not 10 pages :)20:59
SpamapSyou could use the instack element-running method inside packer.20:59
mordredand the composablity of dib elements on top of docker is quite nice20:59
sdake_ok well I'm going to end meeting, we can follow up in tripleo channel20:59
sdake_thanks for attending !20:59
sdake_#endmeeting20:59
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