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yamahata#startmeeting servicevm-device-manager05:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  7 05:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:01
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yamahata#topic Announcement05:02
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yamahataneutron rc1 is released05:02
yamahataseems neutron-spec is opened. I suppose it will be announced neutron irc meeting today.05:02
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yamahataI updated WIP reference routervm implementation05:03
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116773/ wip routervm plugin05:03
yamahataI also uploaded a patch to simplify csr1kv05:04
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125580/ simplify csr1kv05:04
bmelandeyamahata: I'm still reviewing your patches.05:04
yamahataI created the patch by only reading the code, so it need review by CSR1kv guys.05:04
yamahatabmelande: thanks.05:04
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yamahatabmelande: My direction is to make routervm implementation closer to builtin router implementation like l3 agent.05:05
yamahataIn order to clear implementation wart05:05
yamahataThat's all from me. Any other announcement?05:06
yamahatabmelande: I have a question on cfg agent. I'd like to discuss it later.05:07
bmelandeok, yes we dan do that after this05:07
yamahatas3wong: any update on summit session?05:08
hareeshpcyamahata: could you add some more details to what you meant by makng the routervm closer to builtin?05:08
s3wongyamahata: no05:08
yamahatahareeshpc: Sure05:09
yamahata#topic Open Discussion05:09
hareeshpcyamahata: i meant any specific points05:09
s3wongyamahata: also have not seen any update from tox on the ML, so probably not finalized yet05:09
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yamahatahareeshpc: I'm trying to generalize CSR1kv implementation so that it can be used for other routervm.05:10
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yamahataSo far CSR1kv implementation has its own code and has many deviation from l3 agent (or l3 ha or dvr)05:10
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yamahataSuch deviations causes routervm implementation ugly and so on.05:11
yamahataIf the routervm plugin can be near as much as possible to l3 agent, the implementation would be simple/clean.05:12
hareeshpcyamahata: is not because of the fact that implementation aspects are different for both?05:12
yamahataFor that purpose, I'm trying to simplify/refactor l3_db and csr1kv code.05:12
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hareeshpcyamahata: i think the cfg-agent is more similiar to l3-agent except in the configuration parts05:14
yamahatahareeshpc: In principle yes. I'd like to make the code clean before complicating it.05:14
hareeshpcyamahata: completly agree05:15
yamahatahareeshpc: that's the point. I think the code can be more simplified.05:15
yamahataor consolidated.05:15
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hareeshpcyamahata: your-message05:15
yamahataSo far I uploaded some refactoring/cleanup patch. and I'm planning some more.05:16
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hareeshpcyamahata: ok, i will take a look. thanks05:17
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yamahataany other issues?05:18
yamahataokay, I'd like to discuss on cfg agent.05:19
yamahatabmelande: I'm reading cfg agent and router service code.05:19
bmelandeyamahata: ok05:20
yamahatal3 agent has polling code for message loss/reorder.05:20
yamahataSepcifically _process_routers_loop method.05:20
yamahataBut I don't find counter part of cfg agent/router service.05:20
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yamahataDo I miss it? or it isn't addressed yet?05:20
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hareeshpcyamahata: the equivalent is process_services()05:21
yamahataIt syncs cfg agent with neutron db.05:22
yamahataWhat if routervm itself is not in sync with cfg agent? who fix it?05:22
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hareeshpcall the service specific code has been moved to a service-helper, in this dase a routing-service-helper05:23
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hareeshpcthe sync happens there, customized for each service. that is the idea05:24
yamahatahareeshpc: I'm talking about RoutingServiceHelper.process_service()05:24
yamahatahareeshpc: Okay, I got the idea.05:25
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yamahataany other topics to discuss?05:27
bmelandeyamahata: about routervm itself not in sync with cfg agent, are you talking about the VM  instance out of synch with agent?05:27
yamahatabmelande: That's right.05:28
yamahatacfg agent issues rest call to the VM.  The rest call can be lost.05:28
hareeshpcyamahata: i will check. but the service helper collects update messages for a period (cfg-agent op interval) and sync with neutron db for those05:29
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hareeshpcyamahata: ok. i understood now05:29
hareeshpcyamahata: the rest call if it fail should throw an exception05:30
yamahataIn l3 agent case, the agent knows the actual state of routing table etc.. , so it doesn't matter.05:31
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yamahataokay, anything else to discuss? or time is becoming up.05:32
hareeshpcyamahata: we can take this offline, so i know i git your point05:33
hareeshpcgit -> got05:33
yamahatahareeshpc: sure.05:33
yamahatathanks everyone. see you next week.05:34
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jschwarzhi kyle13:59
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emaganafawadkhaliq: Good to see you around!  ;-)14:00
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dougwig Hi14:00
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fawadkhaliqemagana: back after PTO ;)14:01
mesteryOK, lets get started folks.14:01
mestery#startmeeting networking14:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  7 14:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'14:01
mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda14:01
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mestery#topic Announcements14:01
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mesteryWe released the RC1 for Neutron14:01
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mestery#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc114:01
mestery#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-rc1/+download/neutron-2014.2.rc1.tar.gz14:02
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mesteryPlease give this a go and report issues in launchpad as you find bugs.14:02
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* regXboi quotes "...and there was much rejoicing... (yay!)"14:02
mesteryIf you find what you consider to be release blocking bugs, please tag them as "juno-rc-potential"14:02
ajohi :)14:02
mesteryWe'll discuss the current list of RC potential bugs in the bugs section.14:02
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* ihrachyshka added one to the list14:03
mestery#info Please tag release blocking bugs with "juno-rc-potential"14:03
emaganaOpen Question: Is Multinode being tested by someone? If yes, please ping me!14:03
mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Network_Service_.28Neutron.29 Release Notes14:03
mesteryWe're also updating the release notes as a team now.14:03
mesterySo please feel free to edit that page, I've given it a good start already.14:03
mesteryAny other announcements for the team?14:04
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mestery#topic Bugs14:05
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mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential14:05
mesteryThose are the only bugs tagged as release critical right now.14:05
mesterySo lets take a walk through them now.14:05
mesteryFirst, this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/136789214:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed]14:05
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mesteryarmax: Does this one need backporting to the release branch? Thoughts?14:06
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mesteryihrachyshka: I think this went into master.14:06
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armaxmestery: I tagged it as juno-rc-potential on the LP bug report14:06
mesterycarl_baldwin: ^^^14:06
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mesteryarmax carl_baldwin: Is this a DVR bug which we should backport into the stable branch?14:06
carl_baldwinIt is unclear if this was merged before the cut.14:06
carl_baldwinIf not, it should be ported.14:06
mesterycarl_baldwin: Ack, I'll figure this out.14:07
carl_baldwinmestery: I’ll go figure it out.  Don’t worry.14:07
mestery#action mestery to ensure https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367892 is a part of the Juno release14:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed]14:07
armaxmestery: you mean proposed/juno?14:07
mesterycarl_baldwin: Thanks!14:07
mesteryarmax: Yes.14:07
armaxmestery: bug 1367892 is not part of RC!14:07
mesteryNext one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/137243814:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136789214:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1372438 in neutron "Race condition in l2pop drops tunnels" [Medium,In progress]14:07
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mesteryarmax carl_baldwin: OK, then we'll need to add it to the proposed branch. I'll work with carl_baldwin on that.14:08
mesteryihrachyshka: Looks like this next one was added by you.14:08
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ihrachyshkafor 1372438, I've marked it for Juno. it's a race in l2pop that may result in tunnels dropped and no connection for instances hosted on the node. the fix is in review, looks fine14:08
salv-orlandothere are still two gate offending bugs which might need a fix in neutron - I think we can try and make an effort by marking them as rc-potential. At least to root cause them - perhaps then they’re not even neutron bugs14:08
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: ++14:09
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ihrachyshkasimilar fix was already merged before in master, but then reverted by dvr. the new one basically returns the previously reviewed code14:09
mesterysalv-orlando: ++14:09
salv-orlandohttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1357055 and http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#137049614:09
mesteryihrachyshka: I think the L2pop bug looks doable for an RC2, seems simple enough.14:09
salv-orlandothere is also http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1323658 which seems more of a nova bug - and the nova team decided to move it out to kilo14:09
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mesterysalv-orlando: Ack.14:10
mesterysalv-orlando: Can you add "juno-rc-potential" to those two gate blocking bugs for now?14:10
mesteryOK, the last one on the list is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/134930214:11
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1349302 in neutron "Add verification of iproute2 capabilities used by SR-IOV agent" [Low,In progress]14:11
mesteryThis one hasn't merged in master yet.14:11
amullerThat can't possibly be considered a release blocker14:12
mesteryIt seems like a large change, I'm unsure if this will make an RC2.14:12
mesteryamuller: Agreed, and in fact I'll remove the tag.14:12
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amotokiafaik, it only affect SR-IOV. I think it fits backport-potential.14:12
ihrachyshkaisn't sanity check enough?14:12
marunwe do14:12
ajoI was about to say the same14:12
salv-orlandowhat major ffeature is that bug blocking?14:12
mesteryNo major feature.14:12
mesterySR-IOV with mellanox cards?14:13
mesteryI don't see irenab here.14:13
mesteryI've removed the tag for now.14:13
amotokiI am not sure at now.14:13
markmcclainI'm not sure why the new features we're added to ip lib14:13
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markmcclain*we're not added to ipbli14:13
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mesterymarkmcclain: Agreed, and get more coffee14:13
mesteryOK, I think we have a handful of bugs we're tracking for a likely RC2 now.14:14
mesteryI'll confirm this with ttx in my 1:1 with him this morning.14:14
mesteryIf any other bugs pop up which anyone thinks are release blockers, please ping me on IRC and let me know.14:14
mesteryWe're getting close to the end of Juno so I need to stay on top of this now. :)14:14
mesteryOK, moving on now.14:15
mestery#topic neutron-drivers team14:15
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mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron-drivers14:15
mesteryI've decided to create a neutron-drivers team, mapped similar to nova-drivers.14:15
mesteryThis team will be responsible for approving specs during Kilo.14:16
mesteryThe idea is to focus on spec approval and provide a consistent direction for neutron during kilo by a focused group of cores.14:16
mesteryPlease look at the wiki for more information.14:16
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mesteryThis process has worked for nova, so we'll give it a try during kilo and see how it works for neutron as well.14:17
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mesteryAny questions?14:17
ajoLooks good to me.14:17
mesteryajo: Thanks!14:17
amullerShould probably write down what are the goals for Kilo in that page14:17
amullerSo there's some transparency or guidelines as to why a spec would get -2'd14:17
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mesteryamuller: I sent an email to the ML about that: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html14:18
mesteryamuller: Good feedback though.14:18
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emaganamestery: only these members will +A specs and code?14:18
mesteryemagana: This is for specs only.14:18
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mesteryemagana: neutron-specs repository. Code stays the same as it is now.14:18
mesteryFor neutron-specs, cores can +2/-2, neutron-drivers additionally have +A.14:19
salv-orlandoI feel like the community is asking each project to write a constitution… I can’t picture myself as a “founding father"14:19
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amullersalv-orlando: I'll mail you a white wig14:20
mesteryOK, I'll be sending an email about this to the list after the meeting.14:20
mesteryWe can continue discussion there or in-channel (or even during Open Discussion later in this meeting).14:20
markmcclainamuller: please do…we should make salv-orlando wear it in paris14:20
salv-orlandoamuller: only if it’s made of cashmere wool.14:20
mesteryPics or it didn't happen.14:20
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amuller#action amuller will provide one said white wig to be worn by Salv during the Paris summit14:20
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mesteryamuller: rofl14:21
amotoki :-)14:21
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mesteryOK, lets move along.,14:21
mestery#topic Kilo Design Summit14:21
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mesteryNow that Juno is winding down, we need to start planning our Summit Sessions in earnest.14:21
mesteryFor the backstory:14:21
mestery#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html14:21
mesteryOur shared etherpad of ideas:14:22
mestery#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics14:22
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mesteryIn parallel of tracking down the Juno RC2, I'm going to start organizing this list and I encourage folks to get their ideas on the etherpad this week.14:22
mesteryAs I think salv-orlando said a few weeks ago, we have enough work on there for 10 years or so, if we work harder, we can get enough to last for hte rest of our careers :)14:23
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mesteryWe only get a limited number of slots, so I want the team to focus on shared community topics for those slots in Paris.14:23
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mesteryAlso, in regards to what I think the focus area should be for Kilo, see my email to the list this morning:14:24
mestery#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html14:24
mesteryAny questions or comments here?14:24
amotokiCross-project topics will be more prioritized.14:24
mesteryamotoki: Agreed! For instance, the refactoring of the nova/neutron interface needs to be there, along with migration from nova-network to neutron.14:25
obondarevhow many slots will we have?14:25
ajoabout cross project topics & paying technical debt, I believe the osprofiler integration would help on helping us learn more about neutron itself, and how does it integrate with other projects.14:25
mesteryobondarev:I believe we get 7, let me verify14:25
ihrachyshkaajo: does it require summit slot though?14:25
ajonope, sorry14:26
ajoprobably not14:26
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mesteryobondarev: We get 11 slots, and then on Friday we have pod time14:26
mestery#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VDP4H-d8GoA14:27
obondarevmestery: thanks14:27
obondarevI think I saw migration from nova-network to neutron as a potential topic in Nova's etherpad as well, perhaps we should coordinate with them on this14:27
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mesteryajo ihrachyshka: Agreed, not sure it requires a summit slot, but maybe some time on Friday for F2F discussions.14:27
mesteryobondarev: We need that in the cross-project track.14:27
obondarevmestery: agree14:27
mestery#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross-project+workshops#.VDP4X-d8GoA14:27
mesteryobondarev: ^^^14:27
mesteryobondarev: Those are on Tuesday.14:27
mesterySo as you can see, we're constrained in relation to the amount of time we had in Atlanta.14:28
mesteryBut this will help us focus on use the F2F time wisely I think.14:28
mesteryAnd focusing on cross-project time will also be very important.14:28
ihrachyshkawhatis f2f14:29
dougwigface to face14:29
mesteryface to face14:29
mesterydougwig: jinx14:29
kevinbentonihrachyshka: when everyone sits in a room and yells their opinions while plugging their ears14:29
regXboikevinbenton: nice14:29
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ihrachyshkathat's why it's face-to-face, not ear-to-ear14:30
mesterykevinbenton: Very eloquent description of a design summit14:30
ajolol ':)14:30
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mesteryOK, moving on.14:30
mesteryI wanted to highlight the LBaaS feature branch and encourage cores to continue reviewing this.14:30
* mestery waits for markmcclain to post a link14:30
* mestery thinks dougwig has that link too14:31
dougwigthe first three reviews are ready for core attention:14:31
mestery#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews14:31
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mesterydougwig: I plan to spend time on these today myself, I'll find you on #openstack-lbaas with questions.14:31
markmcclaindougwig: thanks14:31
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mestery#topic Parity14:32
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mesterymarkmcclain: Hi! Updates this week?14:32
markmcclainwe'll be writing up the final report of Juno work and posting to the mailing list14:32
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markmcclainthe gate bugs that salv-orlando are really important to find the root cause14:33
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markmcclainsince they're regularly the top gate offenders that will be a blocker to enabling neutron as devstack default14:33
ihrachyshkamarkmcclain: not atm, some of them are disabled in tempest. though yes, it's not a long-term solution.14:34
mestery#info Need to close on gate bugs for neutron so we can enable neutron as the default in devstack14:34
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salv-orlandoI mean at the end of the day probably they’re not even neutron bugs - but al least we should know that for sure14:34
salv-orlandoand file patches where appropriate14:34
mesterysalv-orlando: ++14:34
markmcclainsalv-orlando: agreed14:34
anteayaihrachyshka: the fact they are disabled in tempest is frustrating for qa14:35
mesterymarkmcclain: I need to sync with mikal yet on the wording around marking nova-network as deprecated in Juno.14:35
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markmcclainmestery: ack14:35
mesteryI hope we can get approval for that in the Juno release notes, given the progress on the parity plan we made.14:35
ihrachyshkaanteaya: it also makes me sleep bad14:35
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anteayagood, sounds like motivation for a fix, since you should be able to sleep well14:36
mesteryOK, thanks for the update markmcclain.14:36
mestery#topic Docs14:36
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mesteryemagana: Hi there!14:36
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emaganamestery: Hi14:37
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emaganaGood progress on the Docs Side14:37
emaganaWe completed the ToC for the Networking Guide14:37
emagana#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC14:37
mesteryemagana: Excellent!14:37
amotokiemagana: what is TOC?14:38
emaganaTable of Content14:38
amotokigot it14:38
emaganaThis wiki will be use to track all the content in this guide14:38
emaganaAs we decided before, we will only reference the default options for Neutron (ML2 & OVS)14:39
emaganaOne or two members of the Docs team will help in moving the staff from the Networking Guide Wiki to Gerrit Commits14:39
emaganaI will post links once we have them14:39
mesteryemagana: Regarding DocImpact bugs, armax and I were discussing, how do we ensure those with that flag are covered inthe Juno documentation?.14:40
mesteryDoes the Doc team need help with any of those?14:40
mesteryarmax: ^^^14:40
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armaxyes, we need owners for the bug reports that were filed automatically against openstack-manuals14:40
emaganamestery: We need to review them, most of them where config changes that were included automatically14:40
mesteryemagana: Ack14:40
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amotokiwe need more clear criteria what changes require DocImpact flag. I don't think simple config change need DocImpact because the config guide is generated automatically.14:41
emaganamestery: Others will be included as the major refactor of the Networking section, such as L3 HA and DVR14:41
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emaganaamotoki: Yes, but adding DocImpact ensures that we track those changes14:41
armaxemagana: I’ll review the bug reports to see whether we’re missing something14:42
amotokiemagana: agree. we can discuss on it in docs list.14:42
mesteryemagana: Are you working with armax and carl_baldwin and amuller for that refactor? Those folks can really help there.14:42
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carl_baldwinemagana: glad to help when you need me14:42
emaganaI have been conecting carl_baldwin with some of the folks testing the DVR staff14:42
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mesteryemagana: Thank you!14:42
emaganawill do the same for L3 HA14:43
mesteryemagana: Perfect! amuller is your friend there :)14:43
emaganaThose folks where able to get DVR and l3 HA working as far as I know14:43
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emaganaI know.. amuller Thanks!14:43
amulleremagana: Feel free to hit me up with any questions or anything you need14:43
mesteryLets all make sure to help out the docs team when emagana comes calling, this is very important to ensure people can use the great software we write. :)14:44
emaganamestery: I will mostly connecting people14:44
mesteryThanks for your work here emagana!14:44
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emaganamestery: I will provide a more extensive report next Monday14:44
mesteryemagana: Awesome!14:44
emaganamestery: This week will be vey active  ;-)14:44
mesteryemagana: I expect so, yes.14:45
emaganamestery: I am done!14:45
mesteryemagana: Thank you!14:45
mestery#topic L314:45
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Hi!14:45
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carl_baldwinI don’t need any meeting time.14:45
carl_baldwin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam14:45
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carl_baldwinAnything for me?14:45
mesterycarl_baldwin: OK, thanks!14:45
mesteryACtually, lets move to Open Discussion now.14:46
mestery#topic Open Discussion14:46
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matrohonhi, I just added this bug to juno-rc-potential : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/136154014:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1361540 in neutron "no mechanism driver calls for gateway port removal" [Medium,In progress]14:46
mesteryI just had my 1:1 with ttx now, I'm going to be looking at other commits which were made since RC1 was cut for potential backporting for our RC2.14:46
mesteryI'll sync with ttx tomorrow on this.14:46
mesterymatrohon: I just saw that one14:47
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mesteryOK, if there's nothing else, thanks for attending this week!14:48
mesteryI may ping people on potential RC2 bugs, so stay on top of those and docs this week.14:48
mesterySee you all in-channel and on the ML!14:48
regXboimestery: back to Monday next week?14:48
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct  7 14:48:32 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:48
emaganamestery: tree is open?14:48
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.html14:48
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.txt14:48
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.log.html14:48
mesteryregXboi: Yes, Monday meeting next week.14:48
mesteryemagana: Yes, tree is open now!14:48
emaganaLet's work on reviews then!14:49
mesteryemagana: :P14:49
amotokithanks all o/14:49
ajomestery, question about the j specs, like process monitor14:49
ajothose needs to be re-approved for K, right?14:49
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ajo(sorry for jumping out of meeting on this) ':D14:50
mesteryajo: Yes14:50
ajoI will update the spec file then :)14:50
ajoThanks :)14:50
amotokimestery: i hope you send a mail about Kilo neutron-specs to clarify the situation.14:51
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mesteryamotoki: Doing it now.14:53
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amotokimestery: great.14:53
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n0ano#startmeeting gantt15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  7 15:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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n0anoanyone here to talk about the scheduler?15:00
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n0anoOK, let's get started15:02
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n0ano#topic forklift status15:02
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n0anoI reviews patch 110043 but I need to get on 119807, bauzas how are those coming?15:03
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bauzasn0ano: one sec, finding which changes you're talking :)15:04
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n0anothey're your patches, I thought they were burned in your brain :-)15:04
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bauzasn0ano: my changelist is becoming huge so I'm getting lost15:04
bauzasso, indeed15:04
bauzas#link https://review.openstack.org/110043 setup_instance_groups is ready for reviews15:05
bauzasjaypipes already gave a +2 to it15:05
bauzasjaypipes: around ?15:05
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bauzasso that one is quite a no-brainer15:05
bauzasI hope to get some support, and ideally folks are welcome for reviewingi t15:06
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jaypipesbauzas: yes, sorry, still working on blueprints...15:06
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bauzasjaypipes: no worries, was talking about https://review.openstack.org/11004315:06
jaypipessee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities for commentary15:06
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n0anoit's gotten positive reviews but I don't see a +2 on it15:06
bauzasjaypipes: you already gave a +2, ideally it would be good if you could re-review it15:06
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jaypipesbauzas: yes, will re-review shortly.15:07
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bauzasn0ano: that's due to a change needed for caching the list of fitlers15:07
bauzasnow, the big piece15:07
n0anoaah, a prior version got the +2, nevermind15:07
jaypipesfitlers == very aggressive, dominating filters.15:07
bauzasso https://review.openstack.org/119807 will be abandoned soon15:08
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jaypipesbauzas: ok, +2 from me on that one15:08
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bauzasso, I just abandoned 11980715:08
bauzasjaypipes: cool thanls15:09
bauzasnow, the corresponding patch is being split into smaller chunks here15:09
bauzasideally, we need to create a blueprint for this bug15:10
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bauzasI don't think we need a spec15:10
n0anobauzas, so it'll basically be the same changes just broken out into smaller pieces, right?15:10
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bauzasthe last bits are missing from the series15:10
bauzasn0ano: right15:10
bauzasn0ano: it still misses 2 or 3 last patches15:10
bauzasthat's my on-going work15:10
bauzasso reviews are welcome too15:11
jaypipesbauzas: will review later this afternoon, for sure.15:11
n0anogiven that you have these patches tied to a bug we shouldn't need a separate BP for this work15:11
bauzasn0ano: well, that's a tech debt bug, so a blueprint is kinda accepted15:12
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n0anoseems a little silly since the BP will just be a rewrite of what's in the bug but if that's the mechanism required15:13
bauzasn0ano: that's the thing, a bugfix is typically smaller than that15:13
bauzasn0ano: tracking patch series is FWIW better with blueprints15:14
bauzaswe also have kind of a no-brainer too15:14
bauzashttps://review.openstack.org/117042 ComputeNode creation at init stage15:15
bauzasthat one is currently marked as WIP because of a merge issue15:15
jaypipesbauzas: that ^^ is another "bug" I filed :)15:15
bauzasI'll try to find some time to fix it15:15
bauzasanyway all the bits are coming in15:15
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bauzasand another one from PaulMurray should also help us15:16
bauzasPaulMurray ?15:16
PaulMurraybauzas, which one are you thinking of15:16
bauzasthe supported_instances thing15:16
PaulMurraybauzas, nearly there15:16
bauzasthat's the last piece of work for using the ComputeNode object15:16
PaulMurraybauzas, there's a bit of pci I think?15:17
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bauzasPaulMurray: really ? I was thinking that PCI was ready for this15:17
PaulMurraybauzas, let me find the patches, hold on15:17
bauzas#link https://review.openstack.org/125091 Add supported_instances to ComputeNode15:18
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bauzasthat's the one worked by PaulMurray $15:18
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PaulMurrayI haven't been in touch - this is last I think15:19
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n0anoI can ping Yunhong about those, he's on holiday this week15:19
bauzasn0ano: sure would be nice15:20
PaulMurrayn0ano, please do15:20
bauzasn0ano: we need to cover those15:20
bauzasman, the ComputeNode object will become horrible15:20
n0anothey weren't reject per se, just missed the deadline so we can do them in Kilo15:20
bauzasbecause of the backwards compatibility and all these version bumps15:20
bauzasn0ano: +115:21
PaulMurraybauzas, never mind the version bumps - it doesn't really matter15:21
n0anothe real world (things like backwards compat) forces a lot of warts, just have to deal with it15:21
bauzasPaulMurray: well, think about the lovely rebases you'll have to gezt15:21
bauzasPaulMurray: I'm having 4 version bumps in my patch series :)15:22
n0anoso, bottom line, I'm seeing about a half dozen patches we need to get done before we can even consider the split15:22
bauzaswe can also think about providing a middleground support for objects15:22
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bauzasn0ano: yeah, that ComputeNode object is kinda messy now15:23
bauzasbut we can also figure out what bits are missing and workaround them15:23
bauzasie. send to the sched an object plus extra dicts15:23
n0anoI'm more concerned about the interfaces to the ComputeNode than the object itself15:23
bauzass/dicts/dict or kwarfs15:23
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bauzasn0ano: the interfaces are there already15:24
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bauzasn0ano: ie. select_destinations() and update_resource_stats()15:24
n0anoas long as the interfaces don't change because we've changed the object, that's my concern15:24
bauzasn0ano: here you will pass objects instead of dicts but you won't change the interface15:25
n0anobauzas, I'm hoping you're right (I just worry a lot)15:25
bauzasI mean, request_spec and filter_properties will become objectified in order to be sent thru select_destinations15:25
bauzasand stats will be also objectified in order to be sent thru update_resource_stats15:26
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bauzasn0ano: see jaypipes's long monologue in the projects priorities etherpad :)15:26
bauzasjaypipes: seriously, you beat me up on the length15:27
jaypipesbauzas: oh, it will be quite a bit longer shortly.15:27
bauzasawesome readability15:27
jaypipesbauzas: was working on dropping a bomb on the TC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12658215:27
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jaypipesbauzas: now back to blueprints...15:28
bauzascan we perhaps move on and discuss on the Summit talks ?15:28
n0anobauzas, took the words out of my mouth15:28
n0ano#topic kilo summit15:28
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n0anoI saw ttx's proposed schedule and note that gantt doesn't have any specific sessions15:28
n0anodo we have to lobby for that or is the assumption that gantt will be discussed in one of the nova sessions?15:29
bauzasn0ano: we're not officially an official program15:29
ttxn0ano: it's proposed in a cross-project workshop, and as an "other project"15:29
jaypipesn0ano: it should go in the cross-project sessions on monday and tuesday, IMO15:29
ttxI would place my bet on "cross-project workshop"15:29
jaypipesor possibly in the Other Projects track, though I'd prefer not to do that15:30
ttxjaypipes: design sumit starts on Tuesday fwiw :)15:30
jaypipesttx: oh, sorry, duh15:30
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n0anoI was hoping for a cross-project session on tues and a gantt specific slot on wed or thurs15:30
bauzasttx: yeah I mass-filed that one by crossposting to both etherpads15:30
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bauzasn0ano: we should get a slot by the Nova team I expect15:31
bauzasn0ano: this, plus a cross-project session or an other-projects sessions, or both15:32
n0anowell, I think the critical one is the cross-project, I'd like to get concensus from other projects on what they want from a scheduler15:32
bauzasn0ano: plus I was thinking of doing kinda BoF thing like the NFV team did in ATL15:32
bauzasn0ano: +115:32
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bauzasn0ano: hence the bet from ttx15:32
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bauzasn0ano: if we get enough people in the cross-project session, we could raise voice for a BoF event15:33
bauzasabout Gantt and others15:33
bauzasjaypipes: your thoughts on that ?15:33
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bauzasas a TC member, take your hat15:34
n0anoIf we don't get a gantt specific on wed/thurs then a BoF would work, I don't think we need both15:34
bauzasn0ano: wed/thur are project-specific15:34
n0anobauzas, exactly15:34
bauzasn0ano: so the discussion will be around how we do the split15:34
bauzasn0ano: not about how we integrate with other projects15:35
n0anowe need 2 session, one on cross project issues and one on gantt specific (mainly the split)15:35
bauzasI'm personally convinced that we will feed a 3rd session needed :)15:35
bauzasfeel (dammit!)à15:35
n0anobauzas, what would the 3rd session focus on?15:36
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jaypipesI'm interested in the refactoring scheduler interfaces sessions15:36
jaypipesbut not so much on the gantt-specific session -- just because I know exactly what it will devolve into.15:36
bauzasjaypipes: k thanks :)15:36
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jaypipesit will just be a whine-fest about how much NFV and other teams want to tinker with the scheduler to place VMs closer to storage or network devices.15:37
bauzasn0ano: I dunno I just remember the 40-min session in ATL and how time passed15:37
jaypipesand frankly, I already know what folks want to do with a split-out-scheduler15:37
bauzasjaypipes: eh, we'll be in France, so it could be a wine fest15:38
jaypipesand I don't mind those things, but think the refactoring is more important.15:38
n0anojaypipes, my worry is the details, know what you want to do is different from how to achieve it15:38
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bauzasanyway, time is moving fast, maybe we can talk about this next week ?15:39
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n0anomy real worry is NFV & Neutron, I think I understand what Cinder/Containers/Ironic need, I'm worried that Neutron will be wildly different15:39
bauzasI would like to discuss about bps and the draft from jay15:39
jaypipesI promise I will have all the refactoring BPs related to RT and scheduler done by then.15:39
bauzasjaypipes: I can help you on this15:40
n0anobut yes, we can move on, let's just keep an eye on the summit scheduling15:40
bauzasjaypipes: that's in my agenda15:40
PaulMurrayjaypipes, is there an early version?15:40
n0ano#topic Kilo BPs15:40
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jaypipesPaulMurray: of the blueprints?15:40
PaulMurrayjaypipes, of anything15:40
PaulMurrayjaypipes, to do with RT15:40
bauzashttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities is a good starting point15:40
jaypipesPaulMurray: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities15:41
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PaulMurrayjaypipes, yes, saw that15:41
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n0anojaypipes, so you are planning on creating a Kilo BP about the RT changes, not just an etherpad rant?15:42
jaypipesn0ano: yes.15:42
jaypipesn0ano: they are underway.15:42
* n0ano means rant in the positive way15:42
n0anojaypipes, excellent15:42
jaypipesn0ano: I just wanted to make sure the refactoring sessions get on the summit schedule15:42
n0anojaypipes, +115:43
bauzasjaypipes: agreed15:43
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n0anoso I'm seeing only 2 BPs for Kilo, RT refactoring and the split, those are the two biggies15:44
bauzasn0ano: we need to be more precise15:45
bauzasjaypipes: could we just share what you're about to send before submitting it ?15:45
bauzasn0ano: here, we need to consider15:45
bauzasA/ ComputeNode object tech debt effort15:45
jaypipesn0ano: I have 5 blueprints for Kilo involving refactoring.15:46
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bauzasB/ request_spec and filter_properties objectification15:46
n0anojaypipes, all related to RT or about different areas15:46
bauzasC/ stats objectification15:46
jaypipesn0ano: about RT, instance group and scheduler interfaces15:46
bauzasD/ use of Claims within RT15:46
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bauzasoops, s/RT/scheduler15:47
jaypipesbauzas: yes, and I even have B/ split into 2 blueprints...15:47
bauzasjaypipes: I really like your proposal of sending a claim to the compute with a RPC abort method15:47
n0anowhat are the realistic odds that we can get ~10 different BPs approved and integrated in the Kilo timeframe15:47
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bauzasn0ano: I turn the question into what are the realistic odds if we don't do that ? :(15:48
jaypipesn0ano: IMO, it's more realistic to get 10 slimly-defined BPs approved than 3 widely-defined BPs approved.15:49
jaypipesn0ano: which is why I'm taking this tack.15:49
bauzasjaypipes: +115:49
n0anowe'll see (see above, I worry a lot)15:49
bauzasn0ano: whatever the effort could be, we'll still have to figure out how to get core support15:49
bauzasand that's not really related to our coding bandwidth15:50
jaypipesn0ano: worrywart.15:50
n0anojaypipes, somebody's has to be the Nanny :-)15:50
jaypipesbauzas: ftr, you will have ndipanov_gone and myself as core support for all of these refactoring BPs...15:50
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jaypipesbauzas: and likely danpd's support on many of them.15:51
bauzasjaypipes: good to hear15:51
n0anothat will be good15:51
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n0anoOK, I think we know what we're doing here15:52
n0ano#topic opens15:52
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bauzasjaypipes: I'm again emphasizing my wishes for seeing the bps before they're proposed, if possible :)15:52
edleafe(Re-)Introducing myself: I worked on scheduler years ago, and am looking to get back into things with gantt.15:52
edleafeI'm looking for some guidance as to where I can start contributing now.15:52
bauzasjaypipes: because I'll probably be the worker ant behind that15:53
jaypipesbauzas: I would like to be a worker ant as well :)15:53
n0anoedleafe, you can start by reviewing the patches we talked about early today, that would be a good way to get your feet wet15:53
jaypipesbauzas: but yes, will put each on etherpad for you to comment/review/change before proposing.15:53
edleafen0ano: will do15:53
bauzasjaypipes: cool15:53
bauzasedleafe: yeah, take time in reviewing all the scheduler changes15:53
bauzasedleafe: try to get knowledge of the non-verbal things15:54
n0anoedleafe, as we create the BPs we talked about some tasks will come up that you can take15:54
edleafebauzas: any existing reference material?15:54
bauzasedleafe: Gerrit :)15:54
edleafebauzas: :)15:54
edleafeJust didn't want to re-invent any wheels15:54
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n0anoedleafe, documentation - you silly person :-)15:54
edleafeYeah - what a concept15:55
bauzasedleafe: you having time ?15:55
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n0anogoogle openstack+scheduler and you'll find some stuff15:55
bauzasn0ano: man, this info is pretty old15:55
edleafebauzas: Yes - I'm now tasked full time on OpenStack dev work15:55
bauzasn0ano: I googled once in a time, and all the internal docs are quite old (2012 or so)15:56
n0anobauzas, I was going to caution about that but yes, it's old but gives an idea15:56
edleafeAnd scheduler is where I worked most in the past15:56
bauzasedleafe: well, atm, scheduler is not the real problem15:56
edleafeI did the google approach, and yeah, things were old15:56
bauzasedleafe: you probably understood that we need to work on cleaning up the interfaces15:56
edleafebauzas: exactly15:56
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bauzasedleafe: so, not really coding on the scheduler itself, but more likely on what we send to it15:57
n0anoand those I/Fs are rather poorly documented unfortunately15:57
bauzasedleafe: TBH, the FilterScheduler is kinda robust, so we won't reinvent the wheel15:57
edleafebauzas: how to separate it, and how to define the interfaces - that's what I'm looking at15:57
bauzasn0ano: nope, the best way is to pdb them :)15:57
n0anobauzas, ignoring proposals like holistic scheduling which kind wants to replace the guts of the scheduler15:58
n0anos/kind/kind of15:58
n0anoanyway, we're approaching the top of the hour and I have to run15:58
bauzasedleafe: https://review.openstack.org/11704215:58
edleafen0ano: With a clean interface, they could do that15:58
bauzasedleafe: you can maybe begin on that one15:59
edleafebauzas: sure. I15:59
bauzasedleafe: all the stuff is already there, I'm just having an issue15:59
n0anoedleafe, you can do it right now, the filter scheduler is pluggable, but do you really want to15:59
edleafeI'll probably ping you with questions15:59
bauzasedleafe: sure of course15:59
n0anoedleafe, feel free, always willing to help15:59
edleafebauzas: just let me know if I get annoying ;-)15:59
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n0anotnx everyone, talk to you next week16:00
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bauzasedleafe: wanna talk in #openstack-nova ?16:00
edleafebauzas: sure16:00
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primemin7sterp#startmeeting hyper-v16:02
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primemin7sterphey all16:02
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primeministerpquick meeting today as we're trying to recover from a major outage16:02
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primeministerpalexpilotti: I know bp's for K are in full swing16:03
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primeministerpalexpilotti: do we want to start there16:03
primeministerp#topic bp's for k16:03
alexpilottiso kilo opened yesterday16:03
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primeministerpnick primemin7sterp16:03
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primemin7sterp#topic bp's for k16:03
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alexpilottithe good part is that self-contained BPs (e.g. drivers) *shouldn’t* need a spec anymore16:03
alexpilottithis will speed up things16:03
primemin7sterpthat's great news16:04
alexpilottithe first batch of thos bps are:16:04
alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-generation-2-vms16:04
alexpilottigeneration 2 VMs16:04
alexpilottivery important as it also unblocks other BPs16:04
alexpilottiin particular vNIC add/remote at runtime16:05
alexpilottiand USEFI secureboot16:05
alexpilottidamn autocorrect U-E-F-I :-)16:05
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pnavarrohello everyone, wow, first meeting in months I can attend16:06
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alexpilottisimple and straight forward feature parity bp16:06
alexpilottipnavarro: heyyy16:06
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alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-remotefx16:06
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alexpilottiRemoteFX, this one is around since Havana, waiting approval16:06
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alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-rescue16:07
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alexpilottiRescue / unrescue: more feature parity16:07
primemin7sterpit's been a while16:07
alexpilottiall those BPs have implementations ready16:07
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pnavarroalexpilotti, maybe we should add the extra_spec hyperv:remotefx at image level too16:08
alexpilottiMore BPs which I want to file and that *should* not require a spec:16:08
pnavarrosimilarly it's been done with NFV extra_specs16:08
alexpilottipnavarro: it’s more a flavor thing16:08
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alexpilottipnavarro: but if you look at teh BP, it refers also to images16:08
primemin7sterpis that it for the new bp's16:09
alexpilottipnavarro: one thing is for sure, it’ll require a scheduler filter :)16:09
alexpilottiback to new BPs16:09
alexpilottipnavarro: I’d be happy to discuss the BP details later!16:09
alexpilotti1) Hyper-V UEFI SecureBoot16:10
alexpilotti2) Hyper-V Storage QoS16:10
alexpilottithis is a new feature in the current Hyepr-V “”technical Preview”16:10
alexpilotti3) Hyper-V vNic hot-plug (requires gen2 vm support)16:10
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alexpilottialso a new feature in the upcoming version16:11
alexpilottiluis_: hey!16:11
pnavarroalexpilotti, do you know if in Hyper-V it's possible to do cpu-pinning, or other NFV related ops ?16:11
alexpilotti4) Hyper-V console (feature available in Juno for libvirt)16:11
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alexpilottinot to be confused with teh console log16:12
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alexpilottipnavarro: sorry, finishing this list, just to get over teh list of new stuff! :)16:12
pnavarrosorry man16:12
alexpilotti5) Hyper-V vNUMA16:12
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pnavarronice !16:12
alexpilottisince we have NUMA support in OpenStack, this makes sense to add16:13
alexpilottinow, on the Nova BPs, as in bps that affect Nova code and not only our driver16:13
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alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/keypair-x509-certificates16:13
alexpilottithis was proposed for Juno already, one of my favorites:16:14
alexpilottipassword-less authentication in WIndows!16:14
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alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/windows-smbfs-volume-driver16:14
alexpilotti#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-smbfs-volume-support16:14
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alexpilottithose 2 BPs add SMB volumes support in Nova16:15
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pnavarromaybe it makes more sense to use barbican for storing x509 certificates?16:15
alexpilottiwe merged the corresponding SMB3 feats in Cinder during Juno16:15
alexpilottipnavarro: about certificates, there are 2 aspects:16:15
alexpilotti1) the quick and dirty keypair approach, which is teh main focus of the BP16:16
alexpilottibasically we want to give Windows users the same “user experience” that Linux users have since a while: no darn passwords :-)16:16
alexpilottiexactly like in the SSH keypair case, X509 certs are not meant to be distributed16:17
alexpilottiwhich brings to:16:17
alexpilotti2) Barbican support16:17
alexpilottiin this case we’d want to integrate a fully fledged PKI16:17
pnavarroit makes sense...16:17
alexpilottibut I’d avoid mixing the two things16:18
alexpilottiwe need to have Windows users getting over passwords16:18
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alexpilottiand we need the simplest possible way to get there16:18
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alexpilottidepending on an additional service which is rarely deployed, won’t help outside large organizations16:19
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pnavarrook, I understand. thanks alex16:19
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pnavarroWhat I don't understand SMBFs in Cinder instead of in Manila..16:20
primemin7sterppnavarro: the hypervisor has a client16:20
primemin7sterppnavarro: we store vhdx on smb3 lun16:20
primemin7sterppnavarro: like a passthru device16:20
alexpilottiHyper-V best practice for volumes is to attach VHD(X)s directly off SMB316:20
primemin7sterpto the guest16:20
alexpilottithe guest won’t see the SMB share16:21
pnavarroso, it's similar like we get using RBD library in Ceph..16:21
alexpilottialthough in Windows the Ceph port wil work via passthrough devices16:22
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alexpilottiexposed to guests like we do today with iSCSI16:22
pnavarrooki, thanks for the clarification primemin7sterp16:22
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alexpilottithat’s only because the Hyper-V team is not making the APIs used for attaching SMB based VHDXs public16:23
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alexpilottione last BP, just to get over them:16:23
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alexpilottiRefactoring Mox tests with Mock in the Hyper-V driver16:24
alexpilottiall new tests are Mock based, so it’s just about replacing test_hyperapi.py16:24
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alexpilottipnavarro: getting back to your question, we don’t have NFV pinning atm16:25
alexpilottipnavarro: teh closest thing we have is vNUMA :)16:26
pnavarroand hugepages?16:26
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alexpilottiyou mean still related to NFV?16:26
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primemin7sterpalexpilotti: anything else to cover?16:27
alexpilottipnavarro: not really16:27
primemin7sterpi'm going to end it16:28
primemin7sterpthx everyone16:28
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pnavarroprimemin7sterp, are you coming to Paris?16:28
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primemin7sterppnavarro: yep16:28
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primeministerppnavarro: booked an all16:28
alexpilottipnavarro: I’m thinking of use case, since we have already SLAT support16:28
pnavarroReally looking forward to seeing you all in Paris, then !16:29
alexpilottipnavarro: same here!16:29
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boris-42k4n0 ya17:06
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boris-42#startmeeting rally17:07
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boris-42#startmeeting rally17:07
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boris-42k4n0 around?17:07
boris-42msdubov ping17:07
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boris-42k4n0_ so let's wait a bit for other=)17:10
k4n0_boris-42, sure :)17:10
olkonamihi all!17:10
boris-42k4n0_ lazy really team ^_17:10
boris-42k4n0_ ^_^17:10
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k4n0_boris-42, haha17:11
boris-42olkonami welcome back =)17:11
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boris-42k4n0_ so let's start17:14
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boris-42#topic tests refactoring17:14
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boris-42so recently we merged quite huge patch17:15
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boris-42so now we have all tests (unit, functional, hackings and ci scripts together)17:16
boris-42as well we add Readme file for it17:16
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boris-42so I hope it's nice now=)17:17
* k4n0_ checks17:17
boris-42k4n0_ what do you think?)17:17
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boris-42k4n0_ a lot of merge conflicts=)17:17
k4n0_boris-42, looks good !17:18
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boris-42k4n0_ hehe where are all others=)17:18
boris-42k4n0_ btw as well we added it to readthedocs17:19
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boris-42k4n0_ https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/testing.html so now we have this page17:19
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k4n0_boris-42, thats nice, google search for rally would give good links17:19
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boris-42yep I hope so=)17:19
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boris-42#topic remove run_tests.sh17:20
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boris-42Recently I removed run_tests.sh17:21
boris-42there are few reasons why I did it17:21
boris-421) It removes 1k lines of code=)17:21
boris-422) This code is not tested in gates17:21
boris-423) This can have different results from what we are running in gates with "tox"17:22
k4n0_people still use run_tests.sh? :D17:22
boris-42k4n0_ some of them17:22
boris-42k4n0_ =)17:22
boris-42k4n0_ but I don't think that they will use it in feature=)17:22
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boris-42rediskin hey there17:24
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boris-42Okay next topic17:24
boris-42#topic versioning17:24
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boris-42Okay finally I am happy to say that we are starting versioning stuff17:24
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boris-42every month we will make 2 versions17:24
rediskinis database schema ready enough?17:24
boris-42rediskin it's not about database and upgrades between versions17:25
rediskinstable enough *17:25
boris-42rediskin it's about making https://pypi.python.org/pypi17:25
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k4n0_boris-42, how are we approaching versioning , any document?17:25
boris-42rediskin no backward compability at this moment17:25
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boris-42k4n0_ I am going to make a document17:25
rediskini crying every time when database schema is old, and no migration tools, and i need to run rally-manage db recreate17:26
boris-42rediskin yep yep17:26
boris-42rediskin it's sad but we won't address it at this moment17:26
boris-42rediskin step by step17:26
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boris-42so versioning will be next17:26
rediskinlets do not change database shema =)17:27
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boris-420.n.m -> 0.n.m+1 means that we it's backward compatible and it's enough to run "python setup.py install"17:27
boris-42o.n.m -> 0.n+1.0 means that something is not backward compatible and it *may* require flushing DB17:28
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boris-42rediskin k4n0_  so we will have statistics about how often we break everything=)17:28
k4n0_boris-42, sounds good17:29
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boris-42k4n0_  rediskin  so this will be basic step in direction17:30
boris-42of versioning everything17:30
boris-42we will need to make versions of results, plugins and DB17:30
boris-42so a lot of work to do=)17:30
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k4n0_boris-42, wow , thats  lot of work17:31
boris-42k4n0_ yep as usually17:31
k4n0_boris-42, ok how are we tracking all this work?17:31
boris-42k4n0_ hm I don't know=)17:31
boris-42k4n0_ I hope to finish some key feature request that change a lot of this stuff17:32
k4n0_boris-42, ok add me to this tasks17:32
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boris-42k4n0_ sure but you have already a lot of tasks? ;)17:32
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k4n0_boris-42, Yes, i want to help out, I am just doing the unit tests task for now17:33
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boris-42k4n0_ oyep a lot of work there17:33
boris-42k4n0_ btw where is coolsvap|afk ?)17:33
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boris-42k4n0_ haven't seen him for a while17:34
k4n0_boris-42, I dont know, ill give him these updates in office tomorrow17:34
boris-42k4n0_ ok17:34
boris-42#topic work on gates17:35
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boris-42Okay there were 2 related things to gates17:35
boris-42We fixed cli function testing job17:35
boris-42so now it's always green=)17:35
boris-42and we add 2 experimental jobs17:35
boris-42Designate + Zaqar17:36
boris-42https://github.com/stackforge/rally/commit/ad8ee24c882a7566a77da6785e4571551c674c98 designate even work17:36
boris-42if you type "check experimental" it should be green17:36
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boris-42#topic some issues with installation of Rally in ubuntu 12.04 LTS17:39
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boris-42rediskin k4n0_  ^ could you guys as well take a look17:39
k4n0_boris-42, sure, ill spin a 1204 vm in morning17:39
k4n0_#action check https://answers.launchpad.net/rally/+question/25540617:40
boris-42k4n0_ seems like we need to remove that page in WIKI17:40
rediskinthere is a job for install rally on 12.0417:40
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boris-42rediskin I am going to remove manual installation page17:44
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andreykurilin_boris-42, i'm late,  sorry17:46
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andreykurilin_boris-42, why you are want to remove manual installation page?17:47
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boris-42andreykurilin_ cause people is trying to use it17:48
boris-42andreykurilin_ already 3 person https://answers.launchpad.net/rally/+question/25540617:48
boris-42andreykurilin_ faced this17:49
andreykurilin_boris-42, maybe we should update this manual?17:50
boris-42andreykurilin_ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally/installation/manual17:50
boris-42andreykurilin_ I like this more17:50
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andreykurilin_boris-42: yes, automated installation is better...17:51
boris-42andreykurilin_ yep17:51
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boris-42#topic future cool things17:53
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boris-42A lot of improvements in rally info command17:53
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boris-42New report html page https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125119/17:54
boris-42Better generic cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116269/17:54
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boris-42and as well  I am working on some changes in the way how we are storing results17:55
boris-42plus refactoring of validation stuff to unify validation in case of scenario and context17:55
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andreykurilin_boris-42, about cleanup: why rediskin put -2 for it?17:56
boris-42And cunning results https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125245/ this will make Rally super scalable. So we will be able to run benchmarks for days and weeks17:56
boris-42andreykurilin_ I don't know17:56
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andreykurilin_boris-42, do we plan finish all this patches before next mini-release?17:58
boris-42andreykurilin_ I hope so17:58
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boris-42andreykurilin_ I mean they are all almost finisehd17:58
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andreykurilin_boris-42, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125245 needs changing code from oslo-incubator17:58
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boris-42andreykurilin_ heh18:00
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boris-42andreykurilin_ I think that can be removed18:00
ayoungEverone out of the pool.  Here comes18:00
boris-42andreykurilin_ or done in proper way18:00
boris-42ayoung NO! =)18:00
morganfainbergboris-42, yes! :P18:00
boris-42ayoung https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD9r24UjMH-5UAb1i49yf-F99o1jYzZ1sK1GPH3bgqqXsVZbr4fA9P3g18:01
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boris-42ayoung =)18:01
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"18:01
openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct  7 18:01:17 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.html18:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.txt18:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.log.html18:01
morganfainbergdolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye, ajayaa https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting18:01
morganfainbergit's that time.18:01
boris-42http://rachael98.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/no.gif oh this is better18:01
rharwoodthat magical time18:01
lbragstadmorganfainberg: o/18:01
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morganfainberg#startmeeting Keystone18:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  7 18:02:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:02
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morganfainbergLets get started then18:02
morganfainberg#topic IRC Meeting Time18:02
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morganfainbergIs this still a good time for the meeting? I'm happy but since it's a new cycle, just checking before we continue with it vs. trying to reschedule18:03
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topoltime works for me18:03
stevemar+1 for current meeting time18:03
ayoungThis has been a good time thus far18:03
nkinderyeah, good for me too18:03
raildotime works for me too18:03
rharwoodthis is good18:03
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morganfainbergcool. lets stick with it then.18:03
morganfainberg#topic Marking Specs as Implemented [Keystoneclient, Keystonemiddleware, etc]18:04
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dolphm(belated o/)18:04
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ayoungOhh, I have one that is in a -1 state that is implemented18:04
morganfainbergso, we should mark completed specs as .. completed.18:04
dolphmayoung: -1 state?18:04
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morganfainbergwhat makes the most sense for that? change the title? change the spec? move it? (this impacts keystoneclient/middleware more than Keystone server)18:05
stevemarmorganfainberg, separate list of completed vs proposed?18:05
ayoungFetch policy based on endpoint18:05
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ayoungdolphm, yeah, henrynash got ahead of me and implemented it.18:06
morganfainbergstevemar, basically look at the repo now... how do you know what's been implemented / closed without also looking at LP?18:06
henrynashayoung: :-)18:06
ayoungit was just posted as a place holder18:06
stevemarmorganfainberg, i know what you mean, and i don't know given it's current state18:06
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morganfainbergwe could just move them to "implemented" directory (probably easiest)18:07
stevemarmorganfainberg, under KSC have a sub section for completed vs and another for proposed/approved18:07
ayounghenrynash, care to close the loop on that one?18:07
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dolphmayoung: that looks like it can be abandoned, no?18:07
ayoungdolphm, sure18:07
morganfainbergdolphm, ++18:07
henrynashayoung: go ahead and kill it...18:07
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ayoungdolphm, is there any benfit to approving a cleaned up version ex-post-facto?18:08
ayoungTo document what we were doing?18:08
ayounghenrynash, did you work with a different review for the spec?18:08
morganfainbergstevemar, mind taking a look at the specs repo and what would look cleanest to get it a bit more clear on what has been finished?18:08
stevemarmorganfainberg, sure18:08
morganfainbergstevemar, awesome, thanks.18:09
morganfainberg#action stevemar to look into indicating specs that have been completed in the repo18:09
morganfainberganyone have strong feelings about it before we move on (how we indicate a spec is complete)?18:09
ayoungOK,  abandoning mine.18:10
henrynashayoung: sso I thought I had a different spec…hunting for it now18:10
dolphmmorganfainberg: did we have a consensus about "abandoned" specs? / ones that won't be completed18:10
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ayounghenrynash, ^^18:10
morganfainbergdolphm, no don't think so18:10
morganfainberg#topic Abanadoned Specs (what do we do with them)18:11
dolphmmorganfainberg: is nova's policy still to leave them in the old release's dir?18:11
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lbragstadweren't those going to be bumped to the next release?18:11
morganfainbergnot sure.18:11
dolphm"approved but unworked specs"18:11
ayounghow about a "a parking lot" subdir18:11
henrynashayoung: ah, yep18:11
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dolphmlbragstad: i think that's the direction stevemar was going, but that directly conflicts with nova's philosophy, and i feel like we need a middleground (like ayoung's parking lot for homeless specs)18:12
gyeeany doc generated from the spec repo?18:12
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dolphm* nova's philosophy the last time i checked in18:12
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dolphmgyee: yes18:12
lbragstadthe parking lot idea is cool, give new contributes a place to look for work too?18:12
stevemardolphm, bump is author says it's cool, parking lot otherwise18:12
stevemari'm more than happy with that18:12
lbragstador just contributors in general18:12
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dolphmgyee: http://specs.openstack.org/18:13
morganfainbergyeah i'd be happy with a "parking" section18:13
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topolsounds good18:13
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ayoungsounds like consensus.  Should we do a formal vote?18:13
rodrigodsyeah, this sounds nice18:13
morganfainbergayoung, eh. sure?18:13
ayounglets post it for review18:13
morganfainbergah, good idea, post it in the keystone-specs repo as part of the readme or something18:14
gyeedolphm, cool18:14
dolphmcan we bikeshed on the name of the parking lot directory?18:14
morganfainbergdolphm, only if it can be blue18:14
morganfainbergdolphm, i mean orange18:14
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ayoungLets call it  "the bike shed"18:15
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morganfainbergayoung, you mind posting the change for that to the -specs repo?18:15
ayoung#action ayoung to post change for parking lot to spec repo18:15
morganfainbergayoung, thanks!18:15
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morganfainbergok, on a related topic18:16
morganfainberg#topic Pulling Partially Implemented Specs to next release18:16
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morganfainbergfor those that are partially implemented (aka non-persistent tokens) how should those be handled?18:16
morganfainbergmove the spec? re-propose with an update showing what was implemented?18:16
stevemaroh i like re-propose18:16
lbragstadit would be nice from a documentation perspective to know what about a specific spec went in per release.18:17
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dolphmmorganfainberg: we just retarget the bp from one release series to another, i feel like the same can apply to the spec? or, what would you change in the spec otherwise? work items?18:18
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morganfainbergdolphm, i was thinking perhaps just copy the spec to the new target and indicate what was implemented last cycle.18:19
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morganfainbergdolphm, so spec stays the same, with just a little more info, but ends up in both relese directories to show it was implemented across both releases?18:19
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stevemarmorganfainberg, yes, and include a link to N-1 release spec in the N release spec18:20
morganfainbergdolphm, i'd also be ok with just moving the specs.18:20
ayoung#link https://review.openstack.org/12664718:20
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dolphmayoung: fixed a couple typos ^18:22
lbragstadayoung: comments on patchset on18:23
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morganfainbergso i'll try and put together something that links to the juno spec for non-persistent tokens and we can iterate on how that looks for any other partial specs going forward + documenting.18:24
morganfainberg#action morganfainberg propose example "pull partial implemented spec forward to next release"18:24
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morganfainberg#topic defcore (keystone specific) requirements18:25
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morganfainberghogepodge, o/18:25
hogepodgeHi, some of you may know me from Puppet and the puppet-openstack community.18:26
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hogepodgeI just joined the Foundation, and will be working on Interop. That's going to include working on whatever DefCore becomes.18:26
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dolphmhogepodge: (congrats!)18:26
hogepodgeI'd like to get integrated in the Keystone project more from a testing perspective, to try and work out what the core requirements for an OpenStack installation would be with respect to Keystone18:27
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hogepodge#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-defcore18:27
hogepodgeSo I'll be around, probably asking questions, looking for feedback, and just generally trying to be as helpful as possible.18:28
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ayounghogepodge, great, I have some reviews for you18:28
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hogepodgeayoung \o/18:28
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morganfainberg#topic Kilo Summit Sessions Discussion (continued)18:31
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morganfainberg#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-keystone-summit-topics18:31
morganfainbergso i've added some tenative sessions to the top of the etherpad18:31
ayoungwe have a tenative schedule18:31
morganfainbergayoung, so we do18:31
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ayoung#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/grid/18:31
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ayoung#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/type/keystone18:32
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morganfainbergit's getting to the time where we'll be solidifying the sessions, please look over the discussion and let definitely let me know if there are concerns / conflicts / etc on when some of the sessions should/shouldn't be.18:32
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morganfainbergit looks like we'll be having (based on the link ayoung posted) our working time(s) wed, thurs, and friday18:33
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ayoungWe should make a deliberate cross project meeting for Horizon to Keystone integration18:34
raildoayoung, ++18:34
nkinderthat's a big one18:34
ayoungso many of our issues are driven by the need to support horizon18:34
morganfainbergdavid-lyle, ^18:34
ayoungdavid-lyle, ^^18:34
david-lylewe aim to cause problems18:35
henrynashmorganfainberg: so one thing I think we really want is enterprise user input into what we support with Keystone…which might be spread over the seesion, or odo we have a specific session as part of the UserOps part of the conference (if that exists this time around)18:35
dolphmayoung: the cross project track is intended for topics that span *all* projects, not just a pairing18:35
ayoungdavid-lyle, and we make it easy for you to do so18:35
dolphmayoung: for a pairing, one project or another needs to dedicate it's own slot18:35
ayoungdolphm, in a way it will,18:35
morganfainbergdolphm, right but it wouldn't be inappropriate to consume either a horizon session or keystone session18:35
morganfainbergdolphm, ++18:35
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ayoungHorizon really needs to depend on the service catalog abstraction to talk to all of the endpoints18:36
raildodolphm, hierarchical projects affects Keystone, Horizon and Nova, so this is a cross-projects session or a Keystone session?18:36
morganfainberghenrynash, that might be best to dedicate to the pods / meetup day18:36
david-lylewe're going to do our formalized session planning next week, but several keystone related topics are in the list18:36
dolphmraildo: we did hierarchical multitenancy as a cross project session AND a keystone session in atlanta18:37
dolphmraildo: not sure what's more appropriate this time around18:37
ayoungwe need to make sure that the meeting is focused on how Horizon consumes Keystone data in talking to all of the projects.  Hierarchical, multi-endpoints-per-service, and so on18:37
raildodolphm, ok18:37
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morganfainberghenrynash, instead of consuming a session slot for it.18:37
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dolphmdavid-lyle: when is the horizon meeting we should all attend? :)18:37
morganfainberghenrynash, since I don't think we'll end up having a clear/consice target.18:38
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morganfainberghenrynash, for a 40min session18:38
morganfainberghenrynash, if that makes sense18:38
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henrynashmorganfainberg: what was the “user Ops” set of sessions call last time…18:38
topolcool, we can all attend the horsizon session. love the crossover18:38
david-lyleI'll let you know once I have a schedule, I'll try to make sure that horizon session doesn't overlap with a keystone one18:38
henrynashmorgainfaiberg: how quickly the brain forgets...18:38
henrynashmorganfainberg: there were a bunch of sessions for users to give their input on a variety of things…I was kind of angling for a keystone session as part of that, rather than one of our own18:39
morganfainberghenrynash, well there were two things that happened, there was the Ops track which was more "ops specific" and we had (similar to what i'm planning this time) an open DevOps discussion, where keystone devs are available to discuss any devops topic18:39
* david-lyle has to look back at the schdedule email18:39
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morganfainberghenrynash, yah, Keystone DevOps - absolutely planning that again. just run it like a panel, we )keystone devs) are available as a panel to answer/discuss anything operators/deployers want to ask.18:40
dolphmdavid-lyle: oh, i meant IRC meeting18:40
henrynashmorganfaiberg: ah, Ok….just want to make sure that by tagging it “DevOps” we don’t imply this is specifically about that part of operations….(unless thats what we want!)18:40
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dolphmdavid-lyle: or whenever you're going to hash out the horizon summit schedule?18:40
morganfainberghenrynash, i'll reword it before we make it on the official schedule18:40
morganfainbergat ATL it was called "devops"18:41
henrynashmorganfainberg: ++18:41
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dolphmmorganfainberg: +1 for panel, but follow up with tom fifield to find out what format worked best (as every service seemed to run that session differently)18:41
dolphmand he attended them all18:41
morganfainbergdolphm, i *heard* everyone liked ours. but will do18:41
david-lyledolphm, ah, just came online, think I missed some context18:41
dolphmmorganfainberg: he told me ours was one of the most "productive"18:42
morganfainbergdolphm, right.18:42
morganfainbergdolphm, i'll check with him as well.18:42
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morganfainbergThe tentative list will be: Authorization topic covering tokens (and how we're going to handle that), non-token alternatives, etc18:43
morganfainbergobject lifecycle (fix Dep injection)18:43
morganfainbergand the Operator session18:43
morganfainbergthe other three are wide open, obviously that list is in flux and could change / open to being changed18:44
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gyeemorganfainberg, role management18:46
gyeetime to solve the global adminness issue18:46
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ayounggyee, hierarchical roles18:47
nkindergyee: you mean defining roles at a different level (like within a domain?)18:47
morganfainberggyee, sure, lets get some information on the etherpad about that. and we can consider it for a session18:47
gyeenkinder, yes18:47
gyeeayoung, ++18:47
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gyeeninkder, is there a session on security? right now the credential blob in Keystone are not encrypted18:48
raildoayoung, this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117787/18:49
ayoungraildo, nope18:49
ayoungraildo, this:18:49
ayoungbut not token enforces...needs to be in policy18:50
raildoayoung, ah, ok :)18:50
nkindergyee: there's no central "security" session, though the security group has proposed a cross-project session18:50
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gyeealso, role to capability lookup, I am sure the Horizon folks will appreciate that :)18:51
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ayoungnkinder, ah...we need to solve the quota problem:18:51
nkindergyee: "security" is too much of a catch-all18:51
ayoungnkinder, too much for this forum though18:51
gyeetake trust for example, when I delegate a role, I have no clue what exact capabilities I am delegating18:52
gyeeother just the other guy need it to get somethin done18:52
ayounggyee, hence capabilities18:52
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ayounggyee, that is why we don't want to just depend on RBAC for trusts18:53
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ayoungRBAC is course grained, but we want fine grained delegation18:53
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gyeeayoung, ++ for fine grained18:53
ayoungthought you would like that18:53
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morganfainbergAnything else before we finish up?18:55
morganfainberg#topic Keystone Juno RC218:56
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morganfainbergif you find any bugs get them reported now.18:56
morganfainbergand on that note.18:56
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fungiwow, you ended _so_ early!18:59
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AJaeger_fungi, we can start early ;)18:59
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fungiinfra-team, assemble!18:59
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AJaeger_sorry, team...18:59
clarkbwith our powers combined we are captain planet!18:59
pleia2oh good, we need two nibalizers19:00
fungi#startmeeting infra19:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:00
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fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:01
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fungianteaya take a stab at writing the openstack-infra/config rename changes19:01
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fungihow'd that go?19:01
pleia2I've been reviewing them, they're looking good19:01
fungicare to #link?19:01
pleia2all set to WIP right now19:01
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clarkbah ok I was ging to say I haven't seen them but gertty doesn't show me WIP by default19:01
pleia2there are a lot of them, let's see how I can do this19:01
clarkbif they have the same topic you can link that url19:02
pleia2they all have "Rename config => system-config" in the commit message topic thingy19:02
anteaya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:config-rename,n,z19:03
pleia2ah, thanks anteaya19:03
anteayaI need to rebase19:03
anteayasorry I'm late, thanks pleia219:03
anteayaso yes, do review, I hope to rebase this afternoon19:03
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fungiso anyway, that's underway, no longer an action item. we can move on unless there are urgent comments about the reviews19:03
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anteayaelection business has kept me occupied19:03
fungii understand entirely19:04
fungifungi delete old ci-puppetmaster.openstack.org19:04
anteayawell shall we set a time for the rename?19:04
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pleia2thanks fungi \o/19:04
clarkbdid we mark the associated bug to rebuild the puppet master as fixed?19:04
fungifor those who have shell accounts on the new puppetmaster, i backed up the contents of the old ci-puppetmaster root homedir and stuck it in the new root homedir19:04
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pleia2he did19:04
fungiclarkb: yep19:04
nibalizerso lets also puppet node deactivate ci-puppetmaster.o.o19:05
nibalizeron the new master19:05
nibalizerso it doesn't show up in puppetboard19:05
fungiglad i did too. i missed getting jeblair's gencert.sh convenience script off of it during the migration, and who knows what else is lurking in that tarball ;)19:05
funginibalizer: oh, great input. will do19:05
fungii'll knock it out while topics are being discussed so i don't forget19:06
fungi#topic Kilo summit topic brainstorming pad19:06
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fungijust a reminder19:06
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clarkboh I was supposed to look at that /me opens it now19:06
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics19:06
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fungii added some background info and a distillation of our likely session schedule there19:06
anteayaI added infra-manual as a summit topic19:06
anteayasince I didn't know where else to mention it19:06
anteayadev there has essentially stagnated due to lack of reviews19:07
fungiand once jeblair's back he can work his ptl magic wand and bless the sessions which float to the top19:07
anteayaif we don't want it as a summit topic that is fine19:07
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (fungi)19:07
anteayaas long as we can kick it back into play somehow19:07
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fungiPuppet 3 Migration19:07
AJaeger_anteaya: infra-manual could be a topic for a future meeting as well19:07
clarkbwe can mark that as done done once you deactivate the old master ya?19:07
fungithis can be struck off the list once i disable the cert19:08
anteayaAJaeger_: we can try19:08
fungii'll make sure to clear it off the agenda after the meeting too19:08
fungiSwift logs19:08
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps19:08
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clarkbI just merged a change of jheskeths to handle timestamps in logs19:08
fungithere's more hacking going on for tim estamps in console logs, i saw19:08
fungiyeah, that19:08
clarkb* in console logs. and will be rebuilding our images asap to get that chagne on the slaves19:08
funginibalizer: i've deactivated the old puppetmaster on the new one now, btw19:09
clarkbI will do a semi coordindate merge of the change that uses the new script output in the jobs while the images are building19:10
nibalizer\o/ fungi++19:10
clarkbthis will reduce the time where test will break for infra19:10
fungigood idea19:10
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jheskethclarkb: Don't rebuild the images just yet though19:10
fungiclean enough for our purposes anyway19:10
clarkbjhesketh: ok19:10
jheskethclarkb: just catching up with stuff but we aren't fetching the text version of the logs19:11
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jheskethso we've broken the job anyway19:11
jheskethI'll shoot a fix19:11
clarkbjhesketh: we haven't19:11
clarkbjhesketh: we split your job in two19:11
clarkber your change19:11
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clarkbthough there may be additional changes that need to be done19:11
clarkbso I will hld off on image builds19:11
jheskethclarkb: yes, but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126471/3/jenkins/scripts/grab_console_log.sh has the text version fetch commented out19:11
clarkboh I see ya, if we uncomment that then this will go more smoothly. lets do that19:12
fungisounds good19:12
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jheskethanyway, once we're fetching the html verson of console log we can start comparing results19:12
jheskethI'm not sure what metrics we should use though if anybody has some suggestions?19:12
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clarkbjhesketh: mordred and I noticed some 404ing yesterday19:13
clarkbjhesketh: so we will probably want to fix that then look at mean time to fetch from disk vs swift?19:13
fungijhesketh: hrm... probably wouldn't hurt to analyze the upload delay as well19:13
jheskethclarkb: 404ing on which paths?19:13
clarkb(for a specific non trivially sized file probably)19:13
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clarkbjhesketh: the console.txt?source=swift path19:13
clarkbjhesketh: it would work most of the time but if you refreshed enough 40419:13
jheskethI wonder if we're hitting issues with the swiftclient not being threadsafe19:14
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1372429 in python-swiftclient "swiftclient is not thread safe" [Undecided,New]19:15
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clarkbjhesketh: possibly. I can try to dig into server logs and provide more info19:15
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fungi#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/137242919:15
jheskethclarkb: cool, that'd be good19:16
fungianything else we need to cover on current status of this effort?19:16
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jheskethnope, just general help on comparing logs would be good but I'm not sure I'll be around much to progress it this week unfortunately19:17
funginoted, thanks!19:17
fungiConfig repo split19:17
fungithis is basically already covered during the action items topic19:17
fungianteaya's wip reviews are the next phase19:18
fungiso no need to dwell further unless there are other concerns on this one?19:18
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anteayajust timing19:18
anteayado we want to select a time for the rename?19:18
anteayaor punt until jim returns19:18
pleia2renaming soon would be nice19:19
fungii suggest we wait until the reviews are no longer wip and jeblair's back to discuss scheduling, but soon would definitely be nice19:19
pleia2the reviews are only wip so we don't accidentally merge them and break all the things19:19
anteayaI'm planning on wiping them until the rename19:19
fungijust don't want to prematurely set a date and then have it slip after being announced19:19
anteayawhat pleia2 said19:19
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anteayaall I need to do is rebase to make jenkins happy and respond to any reveiw concerns19:20
anteayaI can be ready by friday19:20
fungioh, got it. so they're not actually a work in progress. we need a better convention for this state. sometimes we use wip, somtimes a core -219:20
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anteayawhatever the convention is, that is all this is19:20
fungibut generally neither of those get visibility to reviewers so sub-optimal19:20
fungiokay, moving on19:21
anteayaso no set time then?19:21
fungioh, we can vote on whether we want to pick a time and do it while jeblair's away i suppose19:21
anteayaI'm fine with Friday19:21
jesusaurusare we holding off on splitting out modules until after the rename?19:21
anteayaif we can do the rename soonish, that would make sense to me jesusaurus19:22
fungimodule break-out could probably happen in parallel i would think?19:22
clarkbjesusaurus: we shouldn't need to, but I haven't thought about that for very long19:22
pleia2jesusaurus: you make it sound like we have a plan :)19:22
* nibalizer has been going forward with module split out 19:22
anteayaany objections to renaming config to system-config on friday later afternoon eastern time?19:22
anteayalike 2000 utc or 2100 utc?19:22
fungiyeah, whatever reviews/changes you have posted against openstack-infra/config for that work will move seamlessly to the new project name, so should be non-impacting19:23
anteayaanyone hate that idea?19:23
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* nibalizer no objection19:23
* krtaylor runs and hides from third-party impacts19:23
anteayaimpact with be the same friday or any other day19:23
anteayafungi: I move for 2100 utc on Friday for the rename19:24
fungianyone want to second?19:24
anteayaand fold in the stackforge ones while we are at it19:24
anteayaclarkb: can you be around?19:24
clarkbya I can be around19:24
fungi2100 utc lands around my dinner time, but i can try to plan to not do stuff friday evening19:25
clarkbfungi: how does that time work for you?19:25
anteayafungi: do you want a different time?19:25
anteayafungi: pick a better time19:25
funginah, i'll make it work19:25
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clarkbso the other thing to consider is when do we release juno?19:25
fungiactually my wife's in class that night, so it'll be fine now that i think about it19:25
clarkband is there any worry that we will wedge ourselves and make that hard?19:25
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule19:26
anteayafungi: you can post the announcement to dev?19:26
clarkbI think the 16th so we should actually be ifne19:26
clarkbya so 10th is probably fine19:26
pleia2anteaya, fungi: I can draft something up19:26
anteayapleia2: thanks19:26
fungipleia2: appreciated!19:26
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anteayaokay thanks, I just didnt' see any point in waiting other week19:27
fungisure, i see the logic in that19:28
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fungiso anyway, this is impinging on the release schedule since that's next week19:28
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fungittx: if you're around, objections to us having an infra configuration shake-up and potentially prolonged system impact after you go to sleep on friday?19:29
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fungiif so, holding off to week after next (so that it's post-release) may be more prudent19:30
anteayattx's call then19:30
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fungianyway, we can get feedback from him out of band before sending the announcement19:30
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fungiNodepool DIB19:31
fungithat's also humming along, seems like19:31
mordred(sorry I'm late)19:31
anteayamordred: glad you're here19:31
clarkbnodepool dib is sort of moving along hit a roadblock in that rax expects a different image format than hpcloud19:32
clarkbso I wrote a change to dib to spit out multiple formats of the same image19:32
fungidid they release yet?19:32
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125475/19:32
clarkbit hasn't merged yet :/19:32
clarkbgreghaynes is concerned about perceived backward incompat that I don't think is an issue19:32
clarkbso I am working on getting devstack-precise into dib with hpcloud too19:33
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126609/ I need to fix whatever issue the tests pointed out19:33
* mordred is also working on a beefier dib patch19:33
clarkbbut this way I don't stop moving so I am reasonably happy with the situation19:34
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clarkbthen once dib change merges (if it does) I will have to update nodepool to set the right flags to get both formats19:34
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clarkbas an alternative nodepool could do the conversion too19:34
clarkbbut I feel pretty strongly my image building tool should handle that19:34
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fungiokay, anything else?19:36
clarkbI was also going to start fiddlign with hosting those images off of nodepool.o.o19:36
clarkbhopefully have a change up for that in the not too distant future19:36
fungioh, right, that too needs doing19:36
fungiokay, great19:36
fungiJobs on trusty19:36
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition19:36
fungino substandial movement this week19:36
fungier, substantial19:36
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anteayafor sundials below the earth19:37
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fungiso we can skip this for the same of teh schedule19:37
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fungimoving on to meeting topics19:37
fungi#topic Kilo cycle Infra liaisons... should we have them?19:37
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anteayaI feel I kinda already do in some sense19:37
anteayawith Neutron at the very least19:38
fungijust a quick question to put a bug in your brains, though jeblair should probably send out a proper request for liaisons when he returns if that's something we want to do as a agroup19:38
anteayanot sure how my work with third party is categorized19:38
clarkbcan we define infra liason?19:38
anteayayeah, let's have a definition19:38
clarkbbecause I think the term has grown organically over in oslo land19:38
anteayaand where did the idea come from?19:38
clarkband may not map 1:1 with what we do19:38
anteayaah oslo19:38
fungidesignated people in the server programs, generally core reviewers or other heavily-involved contributors, who help coordinate changes needed to support our efforts19:39
AJaeger_in which direction is the liason? Is this a infra member that joins e.g. Neutron - or a neutron dev that helps infra?19:39
anteayawhere did that come from?19:39
anteayais that the oslo definition?19:39
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clarkbAJaeger_: person in neutron that helps infra aiui19:39
fungiall the cool kids are doing it (qa, oslo, et cetera)19:39
anteayaah well not me then19:40
anteayathat leaves me out, never been one of the cool kids19:40
clarkball that said I don't think I have any objection to various project volunteers stepping up to learn how bits of project-config work19:40
fungiright, anyway, just something to think about as you see the requests for people to sign up as liaisons to the other so-called "horizontal" efforts19:40
clarkb(I assume most of the related happenings will be in that repo)19:40
anteayamakes sense19:40
fungieffectively points of contact we can count on in the various projects19:40
anteayathat is where the jobs and acls action is19:41
anteayaah well if anyone signs up, they are welcome19:41
fungididn't want to take up a ton of time on this one, since it's not something we'll decide today19:41
fungi#topic Fedora/Centos testing updates (ianw)19:41
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fungiianw: are you back from your travels i take it?19:41
ianwone was a dib update, but i saw that above19:42
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ianwhp cloud now has centos7 images, so i hope to bring up nodepool instances on there so we can get the centos7 job active for devstack changes19:43
ianwi will keep working on the centos7 changes for d-i-b and help out where i can19:44
mordredI'd rather land the centos dib stuff tbh19:44
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clarkbianw: we did switch hpcloud devstack-trusty to dib while you were out19:44
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clarkbso ya we can probably go straight to dib in hpcloud for centos719:44
fungiyeah, at this point the train has mostly sailed19:45
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ianwclarkb / modred : ok, changes are out there for that, i'm not sure if there are blockers?19:45
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124256/19:45
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/12363919:46
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/12425519:46
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clarkbianw: I don't think so. Just review time. I will add that to my dibification list19:46
fungiwe can probably just review those normally rather than going over them in the meeting (we've got 13 minutes left)19:47
ianwyep, fine19:47
fungi#topic Log Download (ianw)19:47
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/12261519:47
ianwnot got much feedback on that change19:47
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fungiwas this a contentious change, or just a request for reviews?19:47
ianwnot sure if i'm the only one who wants log bundles19:47
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clarkbI still don't understand why wget doesn't work19:47
fungino, i've definitely wished we had that ability in the past19:47
fungiwget should work, though it ends up doing a bunch of downloads19:48
ianwclarkb: one issue with wget is that it sends uncompressed logs down19:48
clarkbfungi: for what is roughyl the same number of bits though19:48
clarkbianw: if you set the right header ou get it all gzipped19:48
clarkbaccept-encoding: gzip iirc19:48
fungitrue, modulo the log viewer compression header situation19:48
fungier, that, right19:48
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ianwclarkb: ok, unless you set flags, you get uncompressed logs :)  it's pretty unintuitive and i don't think helps people dig into gate failures quickly19:49
fungianyway, this is another we probably don't need to spend meeting time on. we can follow up in #openstack-infra19:49
ianwok, yeah, just a request for reviews on that19:49
fungi#topic Publish devstack.org content under infra19:49
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anteayaso fungi got control of the domain on the servers19:50
anteayaso the next task is to write some jobs to publish the content19:50
fungiwe have control over dns for that domain now, yes19:50
anteayawhere shall we publish?19:50
anteayanew server or space on an existing server19:51
fungiseemed like we had discussed publishing to the same place as other developer docs?19:51
anteayasure, where is that?19:51
clarkb++ to existing developer docs19:51
anteayathe docs.openstack.org server?19:51
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fungi#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/19:51
anteayawe are just going to have devstack.org as a redirect then?19:51
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AJaeger_and link it from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html19:51
mordredor maybe have devstack.org also be a ServerName19:52
fungianteaya: yeah, that was the thought is that devstack documentation ultimately lives there and we deprecate the devstack.org domain using it simply to host a 301 moved redirect19:52
mordredor that19:52
clarkbmordred: ya I think CNAME and vhost servername solves it well19:52
mordredclarkb: ++19:52
fungilike we did with e.g. nova.openstack.org19:52
anteayaAJaeger_: you feel like creating the patch?19:52
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anteayaAJaeger_: and I will review?19:52
AJaeger_anteaya: ok19:53
mordredthe current docs for devstack are writting in what?19:53
anteayaAJaeger_: my guess is you have more experience than I19:53
anteayaAJaeger_: thanks19:53
anteayafungi: feel like making it official with an action item?19:53
dtroyermordred: combination of hand-coded html and shocco output19:53
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anteayaand that should close out this agenda item I do believe19:53
fungi#action AJaeger_ draft documentation publishing job for devstack19:53
mordreddtroyer: ah - so they're just in docs/source in the devstack repo?19:53
fungishould be easy-peasy19:53
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dtroyertools/build_docs.sh creates docs/html19:54
fungianything else to cover on this topic?19:54
mordredthanks dtroyer19:54
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fungii'm reordering the last few topics for the sake of time19:54
hogepodgefungi defer mine to next week please19:54
AJaeger_dtroyer: thanks19:55
krotscheckThe Storyboard migration can be deferred until jeblair is back19:55
fungihogepodge: okay, can do19:55
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krotscheckActually, just pull it altogether19:55
fungikrotscheck: thanks, that makes this easy19:55
fungikrotscheck: oh?19:55
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krotscheckfungi: We can bring that up at the storyboard meeting, which he attends, to ask whether he feels ready to propose a migration.19:55
fungikrotscheck: i guess elaborate in #openstack-infra after this19:55
fungiand that's a great venue for it. thanks19:55
fungiso that leaves...19:55
fungi#topic Agenda mgmt19:56
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ianwjust a quick one, i'm often confused as to when updates happened on the agenda page19:56
ianwcan we have a standard of tagging with name and date?19:56
anteayathe meeting agenda?19:56
fungiyeah, it's a free-for-all right now19:56
fungitag with the date of the meeting you want to discuss it at?19:56
ianwand also copy current week to an archived page, that will help too i think19:56
fungior the date you added it?19:56
ianwfungi: well, either, i just put the date i want to talk about it next to my name19:57
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fungii think we tried keeping the previous week's agenda around for a bit, don't remember how that worked out19:57
anteayait gets long19:57
krtaylorI thought you were already required to put your name by it?19:57
anteayathird party has it, so does qa19:57
* krtaylor needs to archive that19:57
krtaylorit does get too long19:57
fungii'll admit i got sloppy and didn't put my name next to a couple since i knew i was going to chair anyway19:58
anteayathe page gets really long, and the meeting logs have the agenda items that are called19:58
fungibad me19:58
* anteaya shakes her finger at fungi19:58
mtreinishanteaya: yes it gets very long...19:58
anteayaI like having a tidy page19:58
fungiso anyway, i don't mind adding a date for the meeting which the topic is targeting19:58
anteayabut I can see ianw's concern19:58
fungimight make for a reasonable compromise19:58
anteayawe can try that yeah19:58
fungianyone else mind doing that?19:59
ianwanteaya : i think bits are cheap, and i'd say move it to a separate archive page19:59
anteayastill tider than what thirdparty or qa does19:59
fungialso we need to get better about removing our topics soon after the meeting if they're suitably addressed19:59
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anteayafungi: yes19:59
anteayaianw: then who maintains the archieve page19:59
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mordredit's almost like we should hae automation for that ...19:59
jesusaurusmordred: ++19:59
fungithe challenge with archiving them is the question of whether you have any carry-over or start with a blank slate every time19:59
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anteayaI've chased people down about expired agenda items, it gets old19:59
fungiwe've tended to carry over some19:59
fungialso, we're at time20:00
mordredlike #topic++ to pop to the next topic, etc20:00
anteayathanks fungi20:00
fungithank you everyone!20:00
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fungi[and now we return to our regularly scheduled no tc meeting]20:01
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ttxdhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ?21:00
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ttx#startmeeting project21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  7 21:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:01
ttxOur agenda for today:21:01
ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:01
ttx9 days to final release21:01
ttx#topic News from the 1:1 sync points21:01
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ttxHere is the log(s):21:01
ttx#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-10-07-08.28.html21:01
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ttxAll projects published their RC1 last week or over the weekend, Sahara just respinned RC221:01
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ttxKeystone, Glance, Nova, Cinder and Ceilometer have an RC2 window opened now21:01
ttx#topic Other program news21:02
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ttxAny other program with a quick announcement ?21:02
mesteryttx: Neutron as well?21:02
mesteryOr we're talking tomorrow, I forget.21:02
ttxmestery: we haven't opened an RC2 window yet.21:02
ttxtomorrow :)21:02
mesteryttx: Ack21:02
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ttxok, let's move on to other topics, if someone has announcements, can shout in the middle21:03
ttx#topic Refreshing translations on proposed/juno21:03
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ttxTranslations should generally be refreshed if/when we respin a RC, so that we release relatively-fresh ones21:03
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ttxBut the trick is we can't just backport translations from master, as they may or may not apply to proposed/juno21:04
ttxSo to generate the change we need to run the commands specified at:21:04
ttxdolphm: do you have them in some runnable script ?21:04
ttxdolphm: and do you confirm those commands are the right ones ?21:04
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ttxdolphm: and do you actually need a transifex account to run them?21:05
dolphmttx: i do not, beyond what's in the commit message above21:05
dolphmttx: and no, it turns out you don't need an account for the subset of the commands pasted there21:06
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dolphmit only depends on the local codebase21:06
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ttxeglynn: maybe try to reproduce those commands and post a change for ceilometer ?21:06
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eglynnttx: sure thing, will do21:06
dolphmeglynn: ping me if you need a hand21:06
eglynndolphm: thanks21:07
dolphmapplies to anyone else as well ^21:07
mikalI assume you want us all to give that a try if we have a rc221:07
ttxif you have an RC2 warning up, and you're getting close to publishing ity, we'll push such a change21:07
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ttxmikal: yes21:07
dolphmAJaeger is in #openstack-infra and can surely help as well21:07
ttxso if you have questions about it, ask them now21:07
ttxmikal: but we shouldn't push the change too early21:08
ttxthe later, the fresher21:08
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mikalttx: so noted21:08
ttxalso all RC1s had relatively fresh translations anyway, so if a project just promotes RC1 to release, that's fine too21:08
ttxany question on that ?21:08
dolphmjust ensure you're on the proposed/juno branch when you're running the above, else you're just competing with openstack proposal bot21:09
ttxand HE ALWAYS WINS21:09
dolphmand not really helping rc2 :)21:09
ttxok, if no question, then next topic21:09
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ttx#topic taskflow>=0.5.0 juno requirements bump ? or not ?21:09
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ttxTaskflow was updated recently to 0.5.0 with several bugfixes21:10
ttxThat makes me wonder if we should bump requirements to >=0.5.0 in master and in proposed/juno21:10
jgriffithttx: my vote is no21:10
ttxCinder is the only project consuming it21:10
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jgriffithttx: looks like that bug is specific to six.moves and multiple threads21:10
ttxso your conservative vote prevails21:10
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ttxjgriffith: I'm fine with not bumping, as this could put distros in some painful situation21:11
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ttxand in theory we freezed21:11
jgriffithttx: sounds good21:11
jgriffithttx: I'm pretty much convinced we're safe here21:11
ttxharlowja_: does that make sense ?21:11
* harlowja_ reading21:11
harlowja_i think we are ok, eventlet is saving us on that one i think (for better or worse)21:12
ttxharlowja_: hah, :)21:12
harlowja_anyone using real threads + six.moves will likely sometimes see weird stuff21:12
ttxalright then.21:12
ttxharlowja_: we don't prevent anyone from running 0.5.0 fwiw21:12
ttxit's just that we don't force those on 0.4.0 to update21:12
ttx#topic Cross-project workshops at the Design Summit21:13
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ttxLike in ATL, the first day of Design Summit (Tuesday) will be dedicated to cross-project workshops21:13
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harlowja_totally fair, dimsum_ compiled http://paste.openstack.org/show/119087/ (which shows other areas in openstack that use six.moves), hopefully the patch to six will get accepted to avoid all these potential issues21:13
ttx(in addition to incubated projects and a few other things)21:13
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ttxCurrent plan is to have two or three running at the same time21:13
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ttxfor a total of 18 40-min slots, like this:21:13
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ttxSuggestions are open at:21:14
* dhellmann apologizes for being late21:14
ttxSome topics will obviously use 2 slots21:14
ttxSome people wanted to have only 2 running in parallel, some others wanted to keep as much space as we had in ATL21:14
ttxso this is a middle ground :)21:14
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ttxWe'll get people from the newly-elected TC to work on building the schedule there21:15
ttxbut if it's like in ATL, it should be pretty consensual21:16
annegentlettx: I do want docs topics in there since we don't have another slot21:16
ttxannegentle: indeed21:16
ttxannegentle: file away21:16
annegentlettx: just put one on scaling in the etherpad21:16
ttxQuestions on that topic ?21:16
annegentlecan you explain pods more (after you're done with cross project topic?)21:17
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ttxNote that as far as scheduling goes, we'll use an ODSREG instance like we use to, but will just edit the content of the sessions once they are picked, rather than use it for CFP21:17
mesteryannegentle: +1 to more info on pods21:17
ttxso it will be used by PTLs or their monkey only21:17
ttxOK, pods.21:17
ttxSo we'll have a number of tables. They may be square this time21:18
ttxin two spaces, slightly separate from the dev loungs21:18
* mestery liked circle tables. :)21:18
ttxeglynn: the software atht was running on summit.o.o before21:18
eglynnttx: -ha, got it21:18
ttxmestery: but we reuse some of those tables to build the "meetups" space on Friday :)21:19
mikalAnd some teams have a meetup day right?21:19
mikalSo are probably not as interested in pods?21:19
ttxsome programs will have dedicated pods (incubated, docs, oslo)21:19
ttxsince they don't have a meetup21:19
ttxeveryone else shares a number of tables21:19
ttxwe'll have signs, so wyou can claim an empty space as yours21:20
ttxand people should be able to find you21:20
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ttxobviously if people are just using the table to work on something else, we might have to ask them to move21:20
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annegentlettx: yup, ok21:21
ttxthere should be something like one pod for two programs21:21
* annegentle is glad we're not the only ones without a meetup day21:21
ttx+ all the dedicated ones.21:21
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ttxannegentle: you can consider your pod as a always(running meetup :)21:22
ttxOther questions on that ?21:22
* dimsum_ peeks21:22
annegentleayup ttx :)21:22
dhellmannhow far away are the pods from everything else this time?21:22
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ttxpods are very close to the session rooms21:22
ttxso may be less clam21:22
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dhellmannthat should be ok, I think we'll use them more for oslo if that's the case21:23
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ttxAs far as scheduling goes, we'd like to have the schedule all set at least one week before summit start21:23
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ttxso that means we'll have to start making up the schedule soon after release21:24
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ttxand plan to have the meetings to pick the sessions then21:24
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ttxI'll be in touch with PTLs on the process to enter the session contents in the schedule21:24
ttx(or their summit scheduling liaison)21:25
ttx#topic Open discussion21:25
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mesteryttx: Excellent, thanks!21:25
ttxdhellmann: you had something to mention iirc21:25
dhellmannwe need each project to set up a liaison for working with oslo again this cycle21:25
dhellmannI didn't want to assume our current volunteers would sign up for a second time, so I went ahead and wiped the wiki page21:26
ttxfwiw we'll do the same for release management. By default the liaison would be the PTL, but you may want to assign someone else21:26
eglynndhellmann: when you need the liaison nominations by?21:26
ttxand expect the security team to ask for a main security liaison as well21:26
dhellmannI'd like to have the roster filled before the summit so I can make sure they all know which sessions we need them in21:26
mtreinishI'm planning to do the same thing with QA as well21:26
* mestery likes the formalization of the liasion program.21:26
ttxand stable team21:27
asalkeldcan't this be on one wiki page?21:27
mesteryasalkeld: ++21:27
dhellmannasalkeld: we could probably do that21:27
ttxdhellmann: i've been wondering if there was value in showing all liaisons on the same page, or on separate pages21:27
asalkeld(all the different cross project stuff)21:27
dhellmannyeah, one big table would work21:27
dhellmannI'll set that page up and mail the link to the list21:27
ttxdhellmann: col, thx21:27
asalkeldnice, thx21:28
dhellmannasalkeld: good idea -- I didn't realize everyone else was going to definitely do the same thing this time around21:28
ttxdhellmann: the VMT had a team of security contacts, but we always ended up with the same person... so better for that person to be THE liaison21:29
ttxthe default person to ping21:29
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dhellmannI also want to reiterate that now that we've graduated a bunch of the low level libraries, moving to them should be a priority for all projects in kilo -- we've deleted the incubated version of that code from the master branch of the incubator21:29
ttxrather than nobody stepping up21:29
dhellmannttx: makes sense, do we have that list somewhere that I can reproduce on this new page?21:30
mesterydhellmann: Agree on the new graduated libraries.21:30
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ttxdhellmann: depends on the format, but if you list them in separate secvtions, maybe simpler to wait for each area to call for them ?21:30
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dhellmannmestery: we had a lot of good uptake during juno, but I want to make sure we carry that forward and finish21:31
mesterydhellmann: Agreed21:31
mikaldhellmann: it would be interesting to be able to generate a report of wqhat orphaned code we have out there21:31
ttxI don't want to assume there will be infra liaisons is infra doesn't call for them formally21:31
dhellmannttx: makes sense -- one section per cross-project concern, with a table formatted like the on on the oslo page?21:31
mikaldhellmann: something which could be mailed out to openstack-dev periodically perhaps21:31
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ttxdhellmann: sounds good21:31
dhellmannmikal: I will be working on that between now and k-121:31
mtreinishdhellmann, ttx: like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/ProjectLiaisons ?21:32
dhellmannmikal: but that's also something I hope to delegate to the liaisons :-)21:32
dhellmannmtreinish: yep, I'll move yours, too if you like. I was going to call the new page CrossProjectLiaisons and leave it at the top level of the wiki21:32
mtreinishdhellmann: sure, thanks21:33
ttxok.. anything else, anyone ?21:34
ttxalright then.21:34
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ttxThanks everyone!21:35
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