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| yamahata | hello | 05:00 |
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| hareeshpc | hello | 05:00 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 05:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 05:01 |
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| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:02 |
| vishwanathj | hi | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | neutron rc1 is released | 05:02 |
| yamahata | seems neutron-spec is opened. I suppose it will be announced neutron irc meeting today. | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | I updated WIP reference routervm implementation | 05:03 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116773/ wip routervm plugin | 05:03 |
| yamahata | I also uploaded a patch to simplify csr1kv | 05:04 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125580/ simplify csr1kv | 05:04 |
| bmelande | yamahata: I'm still reviewing your patches. | 05:04 |
| yamahata | I created the patch by only reading the code, so it need review by CSR1kv guys. | 05:04 |
| yamahata | bmelande: thanks. | 05:04 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: My direction is to make routervm implementation closer to builtin router implementation like l3 agent. | 05:05 |
| yamahata | In order to clear implementation wart | 05:05 |
| yamahata | That's all from me. Any other announcement? | 05:06 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I have a question on cfg agent. I'd like to discuss it later. | 05:07 |
| bmelande | ok, yes we dan do that after this | 05:07 |
| yamahata | s3wong: any update on summit session? | 05:08 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: could you add some more details to what you meant by makng the routervm closer to builtin? | 05:08 |
| s3wong | yamahata: no | 05:08 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: Sure | 05:09 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 05:09 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: i meant any specific points | 05:09 |
| s3wong | yamahata: also have not seen any update from tox on the ML, so probably not finalized yet | 05:09 |
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| yamahata | hareeshpc: I'm trying to generalize CSR1kv implementation so that it can be used for other routervm. | 05:10 |
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| yamahata | So far CSR1kv implementation has its own code and has many deviation from l3 agent (or l3 ha or dvr) | 05:10 |
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| yamahata | Such deviations causes routervm implementation ugly and so on. | 05:11 |
| yamahata | If the routervm plugin can be near as much as possible to l3 agent, the implementation would be simple/clean. | 05:12 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: is not because of the fact that implementation aspects are different for both? | 05:12 |
| yamahata | For that purpose, I'm trying to simplify/refactor l3_db and csr1kv code. | 05:12 |
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| hareeshpc | yamahata: i think the cfg-agent is more similiar to l3-agent except in the configuration parts | 05:14 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: In principle yes. I'd like to make the code clean before complicating it. | 05:14 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: completly agree | 05:15 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: that's the point. I think the code can be more simplified. | 05:15 |
| yamahata | or consolidated. | 05:15 |
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| hareeshpc | yamahata: your-message | 05:15 |
| yamahata | So far I uploaded some refactoring/cleanup patch. and I'm planning some more. | 05:16 |
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| hareeshpc | yamahata: ok, i will take a look. thanks | 05:17 |
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| yamahata | any other issues? | 05:18 |
| yamahata | okay, I'd like to discuss on cfg agent. | 05:19 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I'm reading cfg agent and router service code. | 05:19 |
| bmelande | yamahata: ok | 05:20 |
| yamahata | l3 agent has polling code for message loss/reorder. | 05:20 |
| yamahata | Sepcifically _process_routers_loop method. | 05:20 |
| yamahata | But I don't find counter part of cfg agent/router service. | 05:20 |
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| yamahata | Do I miss it? or it isn't addressed yet? | 05:20 |
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| hareeshpc | yamahata: the equivalent is process_services() | 05:21 |
| yamahata | It syncs cfg agent with neutron db. | 05:22 |
| yamahata | What if routervm itself is not in sync with cfg agent? who fix it? | 05:22 |
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| hareeshpc | all the service specific code has been moved to a service-helper, in this dase a routing-service-helper | 05:23 |
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| hareeshpc | the sync happens there, customized for each service. that is the idea | 05:24 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: I'm talking about RoutingServiceHelper.process_service() | 05:24 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: Okay, I got the idea. | 05:25 |
| yamahata | thanks | 05:26 |
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| yamahata | any other topics to discuss? | 05:27 |
| bmelande | yamahata: about routervm itself not in sync with cfg agent, are you talking about the VM instance out of synch with agent? | 05:27 |
| yamahata | bmelande: That's right. | 05:28 |
| yamahata | cfg agent issues rest call to the VM. The rest call can be lost. | 05:28 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: i will check. but the service helper collects update messages for a period (cfg-agent op interval) and sync with neutron db for those | 05:29 |
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| hareeshpc | yamahata: ok. i understood now | 05:29 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: the rest call if it fail should throw an exception | 05:30 |
| yamahata | In l3 agent case, the agent knows the actual state of routing table etc.. , so it doesn't matter. | 05:31 |
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| yamahata | okay, anything else to discuss? or time is becoming up. | 05:32 |
| hareeshpc | yamahata: we can take this offline, so i know i git your point | 05:33 |
| hareeshpc | git -> got | 05:33 |
| yamahata | hareeshpc: sure. | 05:33 |
| yamahata | thanks everyone. see you next week. | 05:34 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 05:34:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-07-05.01.html | 05:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-07-05.01.txt | 05:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-07-05.01.log.html | 05:34 |
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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
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| jschwarz | hi kyle | 13:59 |
| jlibosva | hi | 13:59 |
| armax | hi | 13:59 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 13:59 |
| marun | hi | 13:59 |
| emagana | buenas! | 13:59 |
| obondarev_ | o/ | 13:59 |
| amuller | hiya | 14:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 14:00 |
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| regXboi | moo | 14:00 |
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| emagana | fawadkhaliq: Good to see you around! ;-) | 14:00 |
| yamahata | hi | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dougwig | Hi | 14:00 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 14:01 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 14:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | emagana: back after PTO ;) | 14:01 |
| mestery | OK, lets get started folks. | 14:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 14:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| mestery | We released the RC1 for Neutron | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-rc1/+download/neutron-2014.2.rc1.tar.gz | 14:02 |
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| mestery | Please give this a go and report issues in launchpad as you find bugs. | 14:02 |
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| * regXboi quotes "...and there was much rejoicing... (yay!)" | 14:02 | |
| mestery | If you find what you consider to be release blocking bugs, please tag them as "juno-rc-potential" | 14:02 |
| ajo | hi :) | 14:02 |
| mestery | We'll discuss the current list of RC potential bugs in the bugs section. | 14:02 |
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| mestery | #info Please tag release blocking bugs with "juno-rc-potential" | 14:03 |
| emagana | Open Question: Is Multinode being tested by someone? If yes, please ping me! | 14:03 |
| mestery | ihrachyshkaThanks! | 14:03 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Network_Service_.28Neutron.29 Release Notes | 14:03 |
| mestery | We're also updating the release notes as a team now. | 14:03 |
| mestery | So please feel free to edit that page, I've given it a good start already. | 14:03 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 14:04 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential | 14:05 |
| mestery | Those are the only bugs tagged as release critical right now. | 14:05 |
| mestery | So lets take a walk through them now. | 14:05 |
| mestery | First, this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367892 | 14:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] | 14:05 |
| ihrachyshka | fix-committed? | 14:05 |
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| mestery | armax: Does this one need backporting to the release branch? Thoughts? | 14:06 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: I think this went into master. | 14:06 |
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| armax | mestery: I tagged it as juno-rc-potential on the LP bug report | 14:06 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: ^^^ | 14:06 |
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| mestery | armax carl_baldwin: Is this a DVR bug which we should backport into the stable branch? | 14:06 |
| carl_baldwin | It is unclear if this was merged before the cut. | 14:06 |
| carl_baldwin | If not, it should be ported. | 14:06 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Ack, I'll figure this out. | 14:07 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I’ll go figure it out. Don’t worry. | 14:07 |
| mestery | #action mestery to ensure https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367892 is a part of the Juno release | 14:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] | 14:07 |
| armax | mestery: you mean proposed/juno? | 14:07 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 14:07 |
| mestery | armax: Yes. | 14:07 |
| armax | mestery: bug 1367892 is not part of RC! | 14:07 |
| mestery | Next one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372438 | 14:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367892 in neutron "delete port fails with RouterNotHostedByL3Agent exception" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367892 | 14:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372438 in neutron "Race condition in l2pop drops tunnels" [Medium,In progress] | 14:07 |
| armax | *RC1 | 14:07 |
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| mestery | armax carl_baldwin: OK, then we'll need to add it to the proposed branch. I'll work with carl_baldwin on that. | 14:08 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Looks like this next one was added by you. | 14:08 |
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| ihrachyshka | for 1372438, I've marked it for Juno. it's a race in l2pop that may result in tunnels dropped and no connection for instances hosted on the node. the fix is in review, looks fine | 14:08 |
| salv-orlando | there are still two gate offending bugs which might need a fix in neutron - I think we can try and make an effort by marking them as rc-potential. At least to root cause them - perhaps then they’re not even neutron bugs | 14:08 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: ++ | 14:09 |
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| ihrachyshka | similar fix was already merged before in master, but then reverted by dvr. the new one basically returns the previously reviewed code | 14:09 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 14:09 |
| salv-orlando | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1357055 and http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1370496 | 14:09 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I think the L2pop bug looks doable for an RC2, seems simple enough. | 14:09 |
| salv-orlando | there is also http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1323658 which seems more of a nova bug - and the nova team decided to move it out to kilo | 14:09 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Ack. | 14:10 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Can you add "juno-rc-potential" to those two gate blocking bugs for now? | 14:10 |
| salv-orlando | sure | 14:11 |
| mestery | OK, the last one on the list is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1349302 | 14:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349302 in neutron "Add verification of iproute2 capabilities used by SR-IOV agent" [Low,In progress] | 14:11 |
| mestery | This one hasn't merged in master yet. | 14:11 |
| amuller | That can't possibly be considered a release blocker | 14:12 |
| mestery | It seems like a large change, I'm unsure if this will make an RC2. | 14:12 |
| mestery | amuller: Agreed, and in fact I'll remove the tag. | 14:12 |
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| amotoki | afaik, it only affect SR-IOV. I think it fits backport-potential. | 14:12 |
| ihrachyshka | isn't sanity check enough? | 14:12 |
| marun | ihrachyshka++ | 14:12 |
| ajo | yes | 14:12 |
| marun | we do | 14:12 |
| ajo | I was about to say the same | 14:12 |
| salv-orlando | what major ffeature is that bug blocking? | 14:12 |
| mestery | No major feature. | 14:12 |
| mestery | SR-IOV with mellanox cards? | 14:13 |
| mestery | I don't see irenab here. | 14:13 |
| mestery | I've removed the tag for now. | 14:13 |
| amotoki | I am not sure at now. | 14:13 |
| markmcclain | I'm not sure why the new features we're added to ip lib | 14:13 |
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| markmcclain | *we're not added to ipbli | 14:13 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Agreed, and get more coffee | 14:13 |
| mestery | :) | 14:13 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:14 |
| mestery | OK, I think we have a handful of bugs we're tracking for a likely RC2 now. | 14:14 |
| mestery | I'll confirm this with ttx in my 1:1 with him this morning. | 14:14 |
| mestery | If any other bugs pop up which anyone thinks are release blockers, please ping me on IRC and let me know. | 14:14 |
| mestery | We're getting close to the end of Juno so I need to stay on top of this now. :) | 14:14 |
| mestery | OK, moving on now. | 14:15 |
| mestery | #topic neutron-drivers team | 14:15 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron-drivers | 14:15 |
| mestery | I've decided to create a neutron-drivers team, mapped similar to nova-drivers. | 14:15 |
| mestery | This team will be responsible for approving specs during Kilo. | 14:16 |
| mestery | The idea is to focus on spec approval and provide a consistent direction for neutron during kilo by a focused group of cores. | 14:16 |
| mestery | Please look at the wiki for more information. | 14:16 |
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| mestery | This process has worked for nova, so we'll give it a try during kilo and see how it works for neutron as well. | 14:17 |
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| mestery | Any questions? | 14:17 |
| ajo | Looks good to me. | 14:17 |
| mestery | ajo: Thanks! | 14:17 |
| amuller | Should probably write down what are the goals for Kilo in that page | 14:17 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:17 |
| amuller | So there's some transparency or guidelines as to why a spec would get -2'd | 14:17 |
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| mestery | amuller: I sent an email to the ML about that: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html | 14:18 |
| mestery | amuller: Good feedback though. | 14:18 |
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| emagana | mestery: only these members will +A specs and code? | 14:18 |
| mestery | emagana: This is for specs only. | 14:18 |
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| mestery | emagana: neutron-specs repository. Code stays the same as it is now. | 14:18 |
| mestery | For neutron-specs, cores can +2/-2, neutron-drivers additionally have +A. | 14:19 |
| salv-orlando | I feel like the community is asking each project to write a constitution… I can’t picture myself as a “founding father" | 14:19 |
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| amuller | salv-orlando: I'll mail you a white wig | 14:20 |
| mestery | OK, I'll be sending an email about this to the list after the meeting. | 14:20 |
| mestery | We can continue discussion there or in-channel (or even during Open Discussion later in this meeting). | 14:20 |
| markmcclain | amuller: please do…we should make salv-orlando wear it in paris | 14:20 |
| salv-orlando | amuller: only if it’s made of cashmere wool. | 14:20 |
| mestery | Pics or it didn't happen. | 14:20 |
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| ajo | lol | 14:20 |
| mestery | lol | 14:20 |
| amuller | #action amuller will provide one said white wig to be worn by Salv during the Paris summit | 14:20 |
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| mestery | amuller: rofl | 14:21 |
| jschwarz | lol | 14:21 |
| fawadkhaliq | LOL | 14:21 |
| amotoki | :-) | 14:21 |
| markmcclain | haha | 14:21 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move along., | 14:21 |
| mestery | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 14:21 |
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| mestery | Now that Juno is winding down, we need to start planning our Summit Sessions in earnest. | 14:21 |
| mestery | For the backstory: | 14:21 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 14:21 |
| mestery | Our shared etherpad of ideas: | 14:22 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 14:22 |
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| mestery | In parallel of tracking down the Juno RC2, I'm going to start organizing this list and I encourage folks to get their ideas on the etherpad this week. | 14:22 |
| mestery | As I think salv-orlando said a few weeks ago, we have enough work on there for 10 years or so, if we work harder, we can get enough to last for hte rest of our careers :) | 14:23 |
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| mestery | We only get a limited number of slots, so I want the team to focus on shared community topics for those slots in Paris. | 14:23 |
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| mestery | Also, in regards to what I think the focus area should be for Kilo, see my email to the list this morning: | 14:24 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html | 14:24 |
| mestery | Any questions or comments here? | 14:24 |
| amotoki | Cross-project topics will be more prioritized. | 14:24 |
| mestery | amotoki: Agreed! For instance, the refactoring of the nova/neutron interface needs to be there, along with migration from nova-network to neutron. | 14:25 |
| obondarev | how many slots will we have? | 14:25 |
| ajo | about cross project topics & paying technical debt, I believe the osprofiler integration would help on helping us learn more about neutron itself, and how does it integrate with other projects. | 14:25 |
| mestery | obondarev:I believe we get 7, let me verify | 14:25 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo: does it require summit slot though? | 14:25 |
| ajo | nope, sorry | 14:26 |
| ajo | probably not | 14:26 |
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| mestery | obondarev: We get 11 slots, and then on Friday we have pod time | 14:26 |
| mestery | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VDP4H-d8GoA | 14:27 |
| obondarev | mestery: thanks | 14:27 |
| obondarev | I think I saw migration from nova-network to neutron as a potential topic in Nova's etherpad as well, perhaps we should coordinate with them on this | 14:27 |
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| mestery | ajo ihrachyshka: Agreed, not sure it requires a summit slot, but maybe some time on Friday for F2F discussions. | 14:27 |
| mestery | obondarev: We need that in the cross-project track. | 14:27 |
| obondarev | mestery: agree | 14:27 |
| mestery | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross-project+workshops#.VDP4X-d8GoA | 14:27 |
| mestery | obondarev: ^^^ | 14:27 |
| mestery | obondarev: Those are on Tuesday. | 14:27 |
| ajo | mestery++ | 14:28 |
| mestery | So as you can see, we're constrained in relation to the amount of time we had in Atlanta. | 14:28 |
| mestery | But this will help us focus on use the F2F time wisely I think. | 14:28 |
| mestery | And focusing on cross-project time will also be very important. | 14:28 |
| ihrachyshka | whatis f2f | 14:29 |
| marios | face | 14:29 |
| dougwig | face to face | 14:29 |
| mestery | face to face | 14:29 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks | 14:29 |
| mestery | dougwig: jinx | 14:29 |
| mestery | lol | 14:29 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:29 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: when everyone sits in a room and yells their opinions while plugging their ears | 14:29 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: nice | 14:29 |
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| ihrachyshka | that's why it's face-to-face, not ear-to-ear | 14:30 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Very eloquent description of a design summit | 14:30 |
| ajo | lol ':) | 14:30 |
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| mestery | OK, moving on. | 14:30 |
| mestery | I wanted to highlight the LBaaS feature branch and encourage cores to continue reviewing this. | 14:30 |
| * mestery waits for markmcclain to post a link | 14:30 | |
| * mestery thinks dougwig has that link too | 14:31 | |
| dougwig | the first three reviews are ready for core attention: | 14:31 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 14:31 |
| mestery | dougwigThanks! | 14:31 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 14:31 |
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| mestery | dougwig: I plan to spend time on these today myself, I'll find you on #openstack-lbaas with questions. | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: thanks | 14:31 |
| dougwig | ok | 14:31 |
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| mestery | #topic Parity | 14:32 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Hi! Updates this week? | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | we'll be writing up the final report of Juno work and posting to the mailing list | 14:32 |
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| markmcclain | the gate bugs that salv-orlando are really important to find the root cause | 14:33 |
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| markmcclain | since they're regularly the top gate offenders that will be a blocker to enabling neutron as devstack default | 14:33 |
| ihrachyshka | markmcclain: not atm, some of them are disabled in tempest. though yes, it's not a long-term solution. | 14:34 |
| mestery | #info Need to close on gate bugs for neutron so we can enable neutron as the default in devstack | 14:34 |
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| salv-orlando | I mean at the end of the day probably they’re not even neutron bugs - but al least we should know that for sure | 14:34 |
| salv-orlando | and file patches where appropriate | 14:34 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: agreed | 14:34 |
| anteaya | ihrachyshka: the fact they are disabled in tempest is frustrating for qa | 14:35 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I need to sync with mikal yet on the wording around marking nova-network as deprecated in Juno. | 14:35 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: ack | 14:35 |
| mestery | I hope we can get approval for that in the Juno release notes, given the progress on the parity plan we made. | 14:35 |
| ihrachyshka | anteaya: it also makes me sleep bad | 14:35 |
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| anteaya | good, sounds like motivation for a fix, since you should be able to sleep well | 14:36 |
| ihrachyshka | hah | 14:36 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for the update markmcclain. | 14:36 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 14:36 |
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| mestery | emagana: Hi there! | 14:36 |
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| emagana | mestery: Hi | 14:37 |
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| emagana | Good progress on the Docs Side | 14:37 |
| emagana | We completed the ToC for the Networking Guide | 14:37 |
| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 14:37 |
| mestery | emagana: Excellent! | 14:37 |
| amotoki | emagana: what is TOC? | 14:38 |
| emagana | Table of Content | 14:38 |
| amotoki | got it | 14:38 |
| emagana | This wiki will be use to track all the content in this guide | 14:38 |
| emagana | As we decided before, we will only reference the default options for Neutron (ML2 & OVS) | 14:39 |
| emagana | One or two members of the Docs team will help in moving the staff from the Networking Guide Wiki to Gerrit Commits | 14:39 |
| emagana | I will post links once we have them | 14:39 |
| mestery | emagana: Regarding DocImpact bugs, armax and I were discussing, how do we ensure those with that flag are covered inthe Juno documentation?. | 14:40 |
| mestery | Does the Doc team need help with any of those? | 14:40 |
| mestery | armax: ^^^ | 14:40 |
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| armax | yes, we need owners for the bug reports that were filed automatically against openstack-manuals | 14:40 |
| emagana | mestery: We need to review them, most of them where config changes that were included automatically | 14:40 |
| mestery | emagana: Ack | 14:40 |
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| amotoki | we need more clear criteria what changes require DocImpact flag. I don't think simple config change need DocImpact because the config guide is generated automatically. | 14:41 |
| emagana | mestery: Others will be included as the major refactor of the Networking section, such as L3 HA and DVR | 14:41 |
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| emagana | amotoki: Yes, but adding DocImpact ensures that we track those changes | 14:41 |
| armax | emagana: I’ll review the bug reports to see whether we’re missing something | 14:42 |
| amotoki | emagana: agree. we can discuss on it in docs list. | 14:42 |
| mestery | emagana: Are you working with armax and carl_baldwin and amuller for that refactor? Those folks can really help there. | 14:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | emagana: glad to help when you need me | 14:42 |
| emagana | I have been conecting carl_baldwin with some of the folks testing the DVR staff | 14:42 |
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| mestery | emagana: Thank you! | 14:42 |
| emagana | will do the same for L3 HA | 14:43 |
| mestery | emagana: Perfect! amuller is your friend there :) | 14:43 |
| emagana | Those folks where able to get DVR and l3 HA working as far as I know | 14:43 |
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| emagana | I know.. amuller Thanks! | 14:43 |
| amuller | emagana: Feel free to hit me up with any questions or anything you need | 14:43 |
| mestery | Lets all make sure to help out the docs team when emagana comes calling, this is very important to ensure people can use the great software we write. :) | 14:44 |
| emagana | mestery: I will mostly connecting people | 14:44 |
| amotoki | ++ | 14:44 |
| mestery | Thanks for your work here emagana! | 14:44 |
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| emagana | mestery: I will provide a more extensive report next Monday | 14:44 |
| mestery | emagana: Awesome! | 14:44 |
| emagana | mestery: This week will be vey active ;-) | 14:44 |
| mestery | emagana: I expect so, yes. | 14:45 |
| emagana | mestery: I am done! | 14:45 |
| mestery | emagana: Thank you! | 14:45 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 14:45 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi! | 14:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:45 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t need any meeting time. | 14:45 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 14:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything for me? | 14:45 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, thanks! | 14:45 |
| mestery | ACtually, lets move to Open Discussion now. | 14:46 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:46 |
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| matrohon | hi, I just added this bug to juno-rc-potential : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1361540 | 14:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361540 in neutron "no mechanism driver calls for gateway port removal" [Medium,In progress] | 14:46 |
| mestery | I just had my 1:1 with ttx now, I'm going to be looking at other commits which were made since RC1 was cut for potential backporting for our RC2. | 14:46 |
| mestery | I'll sync with ttx tomorrow on this. | 14:46 |
| mestery | matrohon: I just saw that one | 14:47 |
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| mestery | OK, if there's nothing else, thanks for attending this week! | 14:48 |
| mestery | I may ping people on potential RC2 bugs, so stay on top of those and docs this week. | 14:48 |
| mestery | See you all in-channel and on the ML! | 14:48 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
| regXboi | mestery: back to Monday next week? | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 14:48:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| emagana | mestery: tree is open? | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-07-14.01.log.html | 14:48 |
| mestery | regXboi: Yes, Monday meeting next week. | 14:48 |
| mestery | emagana: Yes, tree is open now! | 14:48 |
| emagana | Let's work on reviews then! | 14:49 |
| mestery | emagana: :P | 14:49 |
| amotoki | thanks all o/ | 14:49 |
| emagana | adios! | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | bye | 14:49 |
| armax | bye | 14:49 |
| kevinbenton | bye | 14:49 |
| dougwig | bye | 14:49 |
| ajo | mestery, question about the j specs, like process monitor | 14:49 |
| ajo | those needs to be re-approved for K, right? | 14:49 |
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| ajo | (sorry for jumping out of meeting on this) ':D | 14:50 |
| mestery | ajo: Yes | 14:50 |
| salv-orlando | adieuu | 14:50 |
| ajo | I will update the spec file then :) | 14:50 |
| ajo | Thanks :) | 14:50 |
| amotoki | mestery: i hope you send a mail about Kilo neutron-specs to clarify the situation. | 14:51 |
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| mestery | amotoki: Doing it now. | 14:53 |
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| amotoki | mestery: great. | 14:53 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 15:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | OK, let's get started | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | I reviews patch 110043 but I need to get on 119807, bauzas how are those coming? | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: one sec, finding which changes you're talking :) | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | they're your patches, I thought they were burned in your brain :-) | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: my changelist is becoming huge so I'm getting lost | 15:04 |
| bauzas | so, indeed | 15:04 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/110043 | 15:04 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/110043 setup_instance_groups is ready for reviews | 15:05 |
| bauzas | jaypipes already gave a +2 to it | 15:05 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: around ? | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | so that one is quite a no-brainer | 15:05 |
| bauzas | I hope to get some support, and ideally folks are welcome for reviewingi t | 15:06 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, sorry, still working on blueprints... | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: no worries, was talking about https://review.openstack.org/110043 | 15:06 |
| jaypipes | see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities for commentary | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | it's gotten positive reviews but I don't see a +2 on it | 15:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you already gave a +2, ideally it would be good if you could re-review it | 15:06 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, will re-review shortly. | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that's due to a change needed for caching the list of fitlers | 15:07 |
| bauzas | now, the big piece | 15:07 |
| n0ano | aah, a prior version got the +2, nevermind | 15:07 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/119807 | 15:07 |
| jaypipes | fitlers == very aggressive, dominating filters. | 15:07 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:07 |
| bauzas | so https://review.openstack.org/119807 will be abandoned soon | 15:08 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: ok, +2 from me on that one | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | so, I just abandoned 119807 | 15:08 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cool thanls | 15:09 |
| bauzas | now, the corresponding patch is being split into smaller chunks here | 15:09 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1357491,n,z | 15:09 |
| bauzas | ideally, we need to create a blueprint for this bug | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | I don't think we need a spec | 15:10 |
| n0ano | bauzas, so it'll basically be the same changes just broken out into smaller pieces, right? | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | the last bits are missing from the series | 15:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: right | 15:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: it still misses 2 or 3 last patches | 15:10 |
| bauzas | that's my on-going work | 15:10 |
| bauzas | so reviews are welcome too | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: will review later this afternoon, for sure. | 15:11 |
| n0ano | given that you have these patches tied to a bug we shouldn't need a separate BP for this work | 15:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, that's a tech debt bug, so a blueprint is kinda accepted | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | seems a little silly since the BP will just be a rewrite of what's in the bug but if that's the mechanism required | 15:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's the thing, a bugfix is typically smaller than that | 15:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: tracking patch series is FWIW better with blueprints | 15:14 |
| bauzas | anyway | 15:14 |
| bauzas | we also have kind of a no-brainer too | 15:14 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/117042 ComputeNode creation at init stage | 15:15 |
| bauzas | that one is currently marked as WIP because of a merge issue | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that ^^ is another "bug" I filed :) | 15:15 |
| bauzas | I'll try to find some time to fix it | 15:15 |
| bauzas | anyway all the bits are coming in | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | and another one from PaulMurray should also help us | 15:16 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray ? | 15:16 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, which one are you thinking of | 15:16 |
| bauzas | the supported_instances thing | 15:16 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, nearly there | 15:16 |
| bauzas | that's the last piece of work for using the ComputeNode object | 15:16 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, there's a bit of pci I think? | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: really ? I was thinking that PCI was ready for this | 15:17 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, let me find the patches, hold on | 15:17 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/125091 Add supported_instances to ComputeNode | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | that's the one worked by PaulMurray $ | 15:18 |
| bauzas | ^ | 15:18 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110739/ | 15:18 |
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| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76053 | 15:18 |
| PaulMurray | I haven't been in touch - this is last I think | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | I can ping Yunhong about those, he's on holiday this week | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sure would be nice | 15:20 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, please do | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we need to cover those | 15:20 |
| bauzas | man, the ComputeNode object will become horrible | 15:20 |
| n0ano | they weren't reject per se, just missed the deadline so we can do them in Kilo | 15:20 |
| bauzas | because of the backwards compatibility and all these version bumps | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:21 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, never mind the version bumps - it doesn't really matter | 15:21 |
| n0ano | the real world (things like backwards compat) forces a lot of warts, just have to deal with it | 15:21 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: well, think about the lovely rebases you'll have to gezt | 15:21 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm having 4 version bumps in my patch series :) | 15:22 |
| bauzas | anyway | 15:22 |
| n0ano | so, bottom line, I'm seeing about a half dozen patches we need to get done before we can even consider the split | 15:22 |
| bauzas | we can also think about providing a middleground support for objects | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: yeah, that ComputeNode object is kinda messy now | 15:23 |
| bauzas | but we can also figure out what bits are missing and workaround them | 15:23 |
| bauzas | ie. send to the sched an object plus extra dicts | 15:23 |
| n0ano | I'm more concerned about the interfaces to the ComputeNode than the object itself | 15:23 |
| bauzas | s/dicts/dict or kwarfs | 15:23 |
| bauzas | kwargs | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: the interfaces are there already | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: ie. select_destinations() and update_resource_stats() | 15:24 |
| n0ano | as long as the interfaces don't change because we've changed the object, that's my concern | 15:24 |
| bauzas | n0ano: here you will pass objects instead of dicts but you won't change the interface | 15:25 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I'm hoping you're right (I just worry a lot) | 15:25 |
| bauzas | I mean, request_spec and filter_properties will become objectified in order to be sent thru select_destinations | 15:25 |
| bauzas | and stats will be also objectified in order to be sent thru update_resource_stats | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: see jaypipes's long monologue in the projects priorities etherpad :) | 15:26 |
| jaypipes | heh | 15:26 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 15:27 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: seriously, you beat me up on the length | 15:27 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: oh, it will be quite a bit longer shortly. | 15:27 |
| bauzas | awesome readability | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: was working on dropping a bomb on the TC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126582 | 15:27 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: now back to blueprints... | 15:28 |
| bauzas | can we perhaps move on and discuss on the Summit talks ? | 15:28 |
| n0ano | bauzas, took the words out of my mouth | 15:28 |
| n0ano | #topic kilo summit | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | I saw ttx's proposed schedule and note that gantt doesn't have any specific sessions | 15:28 |
| n0ano | do we have to lobby for that or is the assumption that gantt will be discussed in one of the nova sessions? | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we're not officially an official program | 15:29 |
| ttx | n0ano: it's proposed in a cross-project workshop, and as an "other project" | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: it should go in the cross-project sessions on monday and tuesday, IMO | 15:29 |
| ttx | I would place my bet on "cross-project workshop" | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | or possibly in the Other Projects track, though I'd prefer not to do that | 15:30 |
| ttx | jaypipes: design sumit starts on Tuesday fwiw :) | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | ttx: oh, sorry, duh | 15:30 |
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| n0ano | I was hoping for a cross-project session on tues and a gantt specific slot on wed or thurs | 15:30 |
| bauzas | ttx: yeah I mass-filed that one by crossposting to both etherpads | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: we should get a slot by the Nova team I expect | 15:31 |
| bauzas | n0ano: this, plus a cross-project session or an other-projects sessions, or both | 15:32 |
| n0ano | well, I think the critical one is the cross-project, I'd like to get concensus from other projects on what they want from a scheduler | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: plus I was thinking of doing kinda BoF thing like the NFV team did in ATL | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: hence the bet from ttx | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: if we get enough people in the cross-project session, we could raise voice for a BoF event | 15:33 |
| bauzas | about Gantt and others | 15:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: your thoughts on that ? | 15:33 |
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| bauzas | as a TC member, take your hat | 15:34 |
| n0ano | If we don't get a gantt specific on wed/thurs then a BoF would work, I don't think we need both | 15:34 |
| bauzas | n0ano: wed/thur are project-specific | 15:34 |
| n0ano | bauzas, exactly | 15:34 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so the discussion will be around how we do the split | 15:34 |
| bauzas | n0ano: not about how we integrate with other projects | 15:35 |
| n0ano | we need 2 session, one on cross project issues and one on gantt specific (mainly the split) | 15:35 |
| bauzas | I'm personally convinced that we will feed a 3rd session needed :) | 15:35 |
| bauzas | feel (dammit!)à | 15:35 |
| n0ano | bauzas, what would the 3rd session focus on? | 15:36 |
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| jaypipes | I'm interested in the refactoring scheduler interfaces sessions | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | but not so much on the gantt-specific session -- just because I know exactly what it will devolve into. | 15:36 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: k thanks :) | 15:36 |
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| jaypipes | it will just be a whine-fest about how much NFV and other teams want to tinker with the scheduler to place VMs closer to storage or network devices. | 15:37 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I dunno I just remember the 40-min session in ATL and how time passed | 15:37 |
| jaypipes | and frankly, I already know what folks want to do with a split-out-scheduler | 15:37 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: eh, we'll be in France, so it could be a wine fest | 15:38 |
| jaypipes | and I don't mind those things, but think the refactoring is more important. | 15:38 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, my worry is the details, know what you want to do is different from how to achieve it | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | anyway, time is moving fast, maybe we can talk about this next week ? | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | my real worry is NFV & Neutron, I think I understand what Cinder/Containers/Ironic need, I'm worried that Neutron will be wildly different | 15:39 |
| bauzas | I would like to discuss about bps and the draft from jay | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | I promise I will have all the refactoring BPs related to RT and scheduler done by then. | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | promise. | 15:39 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I can help you on this | 15:40 |
| n0ano | but yes, we can move on, let's just keep an eye on the summit scheduling | 15:40 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's in my agenda | 15:40 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, is there an early version? | 15:40 |
| n0ano | #topic Kilo BPs | 15:40 |
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| jaypipes | PaulMurray: of the blueprints? | 15:40 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, of anything | 15:40 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, to do with RT | 15:40 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities is a good starting point | 15:40 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 15:41 |
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| PaulMurray | jaypipes, yes, saw that | 15:41 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, so you are planning on creating a Kilo BP about the RT changes, not just an etherpad rant? | 15:42 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: yes. | 15:42 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: they are underway. | 15:42 |
| * n0ano means rant in the positive way | 15:42 | |
| n0ano | jaypipes, excellent | 15:42 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: I just wanted to make sure the refactoring sessions get on the summit schedule | 15:42 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, +1 | 15:43 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed | 15:43 |
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| n0ano | so I'm seeing only 2 BPs for Kilo, RT refactoring and the split, those are the two biggies | 15:44 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we need to be more precise | 15:45 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: could we just share what you're about to send before submitting it ? | 15:45 |
| bauzas | n0ano: here, we need to consider | 15:45 |
| bauzas | A/ ComputeNode object tech debt effort | 15:45 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: I have 5 blueprints for Kilo involving refactoring. | 15:46 |
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| bauzas | B/ request_spec and filter_properties objectification | 15:46 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, all related to RT or about different areas | 15:46 |
| bauzas | C/ stats objectification | 15:46 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: about RT, instance group and scheduler interfaces | 15:46 |
| bauzas | D/ use of Claims within RT | 15:46 |
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| bauzas | oops, s/RT/scheduler | 15:47 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, and I even have B/ split into 2 blueprints... | 15:47 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I really like your proposal of sending a claim to the compute with a RPC abort method | 15:47 |
| n0ano | what are the realistic odds that we can get ~10 different BPs approved and integrated in the Kilo timeframe | 15:47 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I turn the question into what are the realistic odds if we don't do that ? :( | 15:48 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: IMO, it's more realistic to get 10 slimly-defined BPs approved than 3 widely-defined BPs approved. | 15:49 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: which is why I'm taking this tack. | 15:49 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: +1 | 15:49 |
| n0ano | we'll see (see above, I worry a lot) | 15:49 |
| bauzas | n0ano: whatever the effort could be, we'll still have to figure out how to get core support | 15:49 |
| bauzas | and that's not really related to our coding bandwidth | 15:50 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: worrywart. | 15:50 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, somebody's has to be the Nanny :-) | 15:50 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: ftr, you will have ndipanov_gone and myself as core support for all of these refactoring BPs... | 15:50 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: and likely danpd's support on many of them. | 15:51 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: good to hear | 15:51 |
| n0ano | that will be good | 15:51 |
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| n0ano | OK, I think we know what we're doing here | 15:52 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm again emphasizing my wishes for seeing the bps before they're proposed, if possible :) | 15:52 |
| edleafe | (Re-)Introducing myself: I worked on scheduler years ago, and am looking to get back into things with gantt. | 15:52 |
| edleafe | I'm looking for some guidance as to where I can start contributing now. | 15:52 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: because I'll probably be the worker ant behind that | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I would like to be a worker ant as well :) | 15:53 |
| n0ano | edleafe, you can start by reviewing the patches we talked about early today, that would be a good way to get your feet wet | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but yes, will put each on etherpad for you to comment/review/change before proposing. | 15:53 |
| edleafe | n0ano: will do | 15:53 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cool | 15:53 |
| bauzas | edleafe: yeah, take time in reviewing all the scheduler changes | 15:53 |
| bauzas | edleafe: try to get knowledge of the non-verbal things | 15:54 |
| n0ano | edleafe, as we create the BPs we talked about some tasks will come up that you can take | 15:54 |
| edleafe | bauzas: any existing reference material? | 15:54 |
| bauzas | edleafe: Gerrit :) | 15:54 |
| edleafe | bauzas: :) | 15:54 |
| edleafe | Just didn't want to re-invent any wheels | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, documentation - you silly person :-) | 15:54 |
| edleafe | Yeah - what a concept | 15:55 |
| edleafe | ;-) | 15:55 |
| bauzas | edleafe: you having time ? | 15:55 |
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| n0ano | google openstack+scheduler and you'll find some stuff | 15:55 |
| bauzas | n0ano: man, this info is pretty old | 15:55 |
| edleafe | bauzas: Yes - I'm now tasked full time on OpenStack dev work | 15:55 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I googled once in a time, and all the internal docs are quite old (2012 or so) | 15:56 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I was going to caution about that but yes, it's old but gives an idea | 15:56 |
| edleafe | And scheduler is where I worked most in the past | 15:56 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, atm, scheduler is not the real problem | 15:56 |
| edleafe | I did the google approach, and yeah, things were old | 15:56 |
| bauzas | edleafe: you probably understood that we need to work on cleaning up the interfaces | 15:56 |
| edleafe | bauzas: exactly | 15:56 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so, not really coding on the scheduler itself, but more likely on what we send to it | 15:57 |
| n0ano | and those I/Fs are rather poorly documented unfortunately | 15:57 |
| bauzas | edleafe: TBH, the FilterScheduler is kinda robust, so we won't reinvent the wheel | 15:57 |
| edleafe | bauzas: how to separate it, and how to define the interfaces - that's what I'm looking at | 15:57 |
| bauzas | n0ano: nope, the best way is to pdb them :) | 15:57 |
| n0ano | bauzas, ignoring proposals like holistic scheduling which kind wants to replace the guts of the scheduler | 15:58 |
| n0ano | s/kind/kind of | 15:58 |
| n0ano | anyway, we're approaching the top of the hour and I have to run | 15:58 |
| bauzas | edleafe: https://review.openstack.org/117042 | 15:58 |
| edleafe | n0ano: With a clean interface, they could do that | 15:58 |
| bauzas | edleafe: you can maybe begin on that one | 15:59 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sure. I | 15:59 |
| edleafe | ugh | 15:59 |
| bauzas | edleafe: all the stuff is already there, I'm just having an issue | 15:59 |
| n0ano | edleafe, you can do it right now, the filter scheduler is pluggable, but do you really want to | 15:59 |
| edleafe | I'll probably ping you with questions | 15:59 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure of course | 15:59 |
| n0ano | edleafe, feel free, always willing to help | 15:59 |
| edleafe | bauzas: just let me know if I get annoying ;-) | 15:59 |
| bauzas | eh | 15:59 |
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| n0ano | tnx everyone, talk to you next week | 16:00 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 16:00:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| bauzas | thanks | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-10-07-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-10-07-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-10-07-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| bauzas | edleafe: wanna talk in #openstack-nova ? | 16:00 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sure | 16:00 |
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| primemin7sterp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 16:02:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primemin7sterp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:02 |
| primemin7sterp | hey all | 16:02 |
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| alexpilotti | \o/ | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | quick meeting today as we're trying to recover from a major outage | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I know bp's for K are in full swing | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do we want to start there | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | #topic bp's for k | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | so kilo opened yesterday | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | nick primemin7sterp | 16:03 |
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| primemin7sterp | #topic bp's for k | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | the good part is that self-contained BPs (e.g. drivers) *shouldn’t* need a spec anymore | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | this will speed up things | 16:03 |
| primemin7sterp | that's great news | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | the first batch of thos bps are: | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-generation-2-vms | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | generation 2 VMs | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | very important as it also unblocks other BPs | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | in particular vNIC add/remote at runtime | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | and USEFI secureboot | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | *USEFI | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | damn autocorrect U-E-F-I :-) | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | next | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-power-actions | 16:05 |
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| pnavarro | hello everyone, wow, first meeting in months I can attend | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | simple and straight forward feature parity bp | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: heyyy | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-remotefx | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | RemoteFX, this one is around since Havana, waiting approval | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-rescue | 16:07 |
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| primemin7sterp | yep | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | Rescue / unrescue: more feature parity | 16:07 |
| primemin7sterp | it's been a while | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | all those BPs have implementations ready | 16:07 |
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| pnavarro | alexpilotti, maybe we should add the extra_spec hyperv:remotefx at image level too | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | More BPs which I want to file and that *should* not require a spec: | 16:08 |
| pnavarro | similarly it's been done with NFV extra_specs | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: it’s more a flavor thing | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: but if you look at teh BP, it refers also to images | 16:08 |
| primemin7sterp | k | 16:09 |
| primemin7sterp | is that it for the new bp's | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: one thing is for sure, it’ll require a scheduler filter :) | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | back to new BPs | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: I’d be happy to discuss the BP details later! | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | 1) Hyper-V UEFI SecureBoot | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | 2) Hyper-V Storage QoS | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | this is a new feature in the current Hyepr-V “”technical Preview” | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | 3) Hyper-V vNic hot-plug (requires gen2 vm support) | 16:10 |
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| luis_ | hi | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | also a new feature in the upcoming version | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | luis_: hey! | 16:11 |
| pnavarro | alexpilotti, do you know if in Hyper-V it's possible to do cpu-pinning, or other NFV related ops ? | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | 4) Hyper-V console (feature available in Juno for libvirt) | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | not to be confused with teh console log | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: sorry, finishing this list, just to get over teh list of new stuff! :) | 16:12 |
| pnavarro | sorry man | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | 5) Hyper-V vNUMA | 16:12 |
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| pnavarro | nice ! | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | since we have NUMA support in OpenStack, this makes sense to add | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | now, on the Nova BPs, as in bps that affect Nova code and not only our driver | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/keypair-x509-certificates | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | this was proposed for Juno already, one of my favorites: | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | password-less authentication in WIndows! | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/windows-smbfs-volume-driver | 16:14 |
| primemin7sterp | awesome | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-smbfs-volume-support | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | those 2 BPs add SMB volumes support in Nova | 16:15 |
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| pnavarro | maybe it makes more sense to use barbican for storing x509 certificates? | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | we merged the corresponding SMB3 feats in Cinder during Juno | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: about certificates, there are 2 aspects: | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | 1) the quick and dirty keypair approach, which is teh main focus of the BP | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | basically we want to give Windows users the same “user experience” that Linux users have since a while: no darn passwords :-) | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | exactly like in the SSH keypair case, X509 certs are not meant to be distributed | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | which brings to: | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | 2) Barbican support | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | in this case we’d want to integrate a fully fledged PKI | 16:17 |
| pnavarro | it makes sense... | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | but I’d avoid mixing the two things | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | we need to have Windows users getting over passwords | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | and we need the simplest possible way to get there | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | depending on an additional service which is rarely deployed, won’t help outside large organizations | 16:19 |
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| pnavarro | ok, I understand. thanks alex | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | np! | 16:19 |
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| pnavarro | What I don't understand SMBFs in Cinder instead of in Manila.. | 16:20 |
| primemin7sterp | pnavarro: the hypervisor has a client | 16:20 |
| primemin7sterp | pnavarro: we store vhdx on smb3 lun | 16:20 |
| primemin7sterp | pnavarro: like a passthru device | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | Hyper-V best practice for volumes is to attach VHD(X)s directly off SMB3 | 16:20 |
| primemin7sterp | to the guest | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | the guest won’t see the SMB share | 16:21 |
| pnavarro | so, it's similar like we get using RBD library in Ceph.. | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | kinda | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | although in Windows the Ceph port wil work via passthrough devices | 16:22 |
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| alexpilotti | exposed to guests like we do today with iSCSI | 16:22 |
| pnavarro | oki, thanks for the clarification primemin7sterp | 16:22 |
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| alexpilotti | that’s only because the Hyper-V team is not making the APIs used for attaching SMB based VHDXs public | 16:23 |
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| alexpilotti | one last BP, just to get over them: | 16:23 |
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| alexpilotti | Refactoring Mox tests with Mock in the Hyper-V driver | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | all new tests are Mock based, so it’s just about replacing test_hyperapi.py | 16:24 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: getting back to your question, we don’t have NFV pinning atm | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: teh closest thing we have is vNUMA :) | 16:26 |
| pnavarro | and hugepages? | 16:26 |
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| alexpilotti | you mean still related to NFV? | 16:26 |
| pnavarro | yeah | 16:26 |
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| primemin7sterp | alexpilotti: anything else to cover? | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: not really | 16:27 |
| primemin7sterp | ok | 16:28 |
| primemin7sterp | i'm going to end it | 16:28 |
| pnavarro | ok | 16:28 |
| primemin7sterp | thx everyone | 16:28 |
| primemin7sterp | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 16:28:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| pnavarro | primemin7sterp, are you coming to Paris? | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-10-07-16.02.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-10-07-16.02.txt | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-10-07-16.02.log.html | 16:28 |
| primemin7sterp | pnavarro: yep | 16:28 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: booked an all | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: I’m thinking of use case, since we have already SLAT support | 16:28 |
| pnavarro | Really looking forward to seeing you all in Paris, then ! | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: same here! | 16:29 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0 ya | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:07 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:07 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:07 |
| openstack | boris-42: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | k4n0 around? | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | msdubov ping | 17:07 |
| k4n0_ | yes | 17:08 |
| k4n0_ | o/ | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ so let's wait a bit for other=) | 17:10 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, sure :) | 17:10 |
| olkonami | hi all! | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ lazy really team ^_ | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ ^_^ | 17:10 |
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| k4n0_ | boris-42, haha | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | olkonami welcome back =) | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ so let's start | 17:14 |
| k4n0_ | sure | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | #topic tests refactoring | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | so recently we merged quite huge patch | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | so now we have all tests (unit, functional, hackings and ci scripts together) | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/tests | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | as well we add Readme file for it | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | so I hope it's nice now=) | 17:17 |
| * k4n0_ checks | 17:17 | |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ what do you think?) | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ a lot of merge conflicts=) | 17:17 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, looks good ! | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ hehe where are all others=) | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ btw as well we added it to readthedocs | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/testing.html so now we have this page | 17:19 |
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| k4n0_ | boris-42, thats nice, google search for rally would give good links | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | yep I hope so=) | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | #topic remove run_tests.sh | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | Recently I removed run_tests.sh | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/commit/b11235b83ea421eb0da5922391953e6ac9656810 | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | there are few reasons why I did it | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | 1) It removes 1k lines of code=) | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | 2) This code is not tested in gates | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | 3) This can have different results from what we are running in gates with "tox" | 17:22 |
| k4n0_ | people still use run_tests.sh? :D | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ some of them | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ =) | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ but I don't think that they will use it in feature=) | 17:22 |
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| rediskin | hey | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin hey there | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | Okay next topic | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | #topic versioning | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | Okay finally I am happy to say that we are starting versioning stuff | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | every month we will make 2 versions | 17:24 |
| rediskin | is database schema ready enough? | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | rediskin it's not about database and upgrades between versions | 17:25 |
| rediskin | stable enough * | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | rediskin it's about making https://pypi.python.org/pypi | 17:25 |
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| k4n0_ | boris-42, how are we approaching versioning , any document? | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | rediskin no backward compability at this moment | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ I am going to make a document | 17:25 |
| rediskin | i crying every time when database schema is old, and no migration tools, and i need to run rally-manage db recreate | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | rediskin yep yep | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | rediskin it's sad but we won't address it at this moment | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | rediskin step by step | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | so versioning will be next | 17:26 |
| rediskin | lets do not change database shema =) | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | 0.n.m -> 0.n.m+1 means that we it's backward compatible and it's enough to run "python setup.py install" | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | o.n.m -> 0.n+1.0 means that something is not backward compatible and it *may* require flushing DB | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin k4n0_ so we will have statistics about how often we break everything=) | 17:28 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, sounds good | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ rediskin so this will be basic step in direction | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | of versioning everything | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | we will need to make versions of results, plugins and DB | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | so a lot of work to do=) | 17:30 |
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| k4n0_ | boris-42, wow , thats lot of work | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ yep as usually | 17:31 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, ok how are we tracking all this work? | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ hm I don't know=) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ I hope to finish some key feature request that change a lot of this stuff | 17:32 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, ok add me to this tasks | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ sure but you have already a lot of tasks? ;) | 17:32 |
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| k4n0_ | boris-42, Yes, i want to help out, I am just doing the unit tests task for now | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ oyep a lot of work there | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ btw where is coolsvap|afk ?) | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | k4n0_ haven't seen him for a while | 17:34 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, I dont know, ill give him these updates in office tomorrow | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ ok | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | #topic work on gates | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | Okay there were 2 related things to gates | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | We fixed cli function testing job | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/commit/543a7900f5ec6ce5b858d51f97e046940cefcb2a | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | so now it's always green=) | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | and we add 2 experimental jobs | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | Designate + Zaqar | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/commit/ad8ee24c882a7566a77da6785e4571551c674c98 designate even work | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | if you type "check experimental" it should be green | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | #topic some issues with installation of Rally in ubuntu 12.04 LTS | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | https://answers.launchpad.net/rally/+question/255406 | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | rediskin k4n0_ ^ could you guys as well take a look | 17:39 |
| k4n0_ | boris-42, sure, ill spin a 1204 vm in morning | 17:39 |
| k4n0_ | #action check https://answers.launchpad.net/rally/+question/255406 | 17:40 |
| rediskin | hm | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | k4n0_ seems like we need to remove that page in WIKI | 17:40 |
| rediskin | there is a job for install rally on 12.04 | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin I am going to remove manual installation page | 17:44 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, i'm late, sorry | 17:46 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, why you are want to remove manual installation page? | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ cause people is trying to use it | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ already 3 person https://answers.launchpad.net/rally/+question/255406 | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ faced this | 17:49 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, maybe we should update this manual? | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally/installation/manual | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I like this more | 17:50 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42: yes, automated installation is better... | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ yep | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | so | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | #topic future cool things | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | A lot of improvements in rally info command | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126421/ | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | New report html page https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125119/ | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | Better generic cleanup https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116269/ | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | and as well I am working on some changes in the way how we are storing results | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | plus refactoring of validation stuff to unify validation in case of scenario and context | 17:55 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, about cleanup: why rediskin put -2 for it? | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | And cunning results https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125245/ this will make Rally super scalable. So we will be able to run benchmarks for days and weeks | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I don't know | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:56 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, do we plan finish all this patches before next mini-release? | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I hope so | 17:58 |
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| andreykurilin_ | :) | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I mean they are all almost finisehd | 17:58 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125245 needs changing code from oslo-incubator | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ heh | 18:00 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I think that can be removed | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Everone out of the pool. Here comes | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ or done in proper way | 18:00 |
| ayoung | KEYSTONE! | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | ayoung NO! =) | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | boris-42, yes! :P | 18:00 |
| ayoung | CANNONBALL! | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | ayoung https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD9r24UjMH-5UAb1i49yf-F99o1jYzZ1sK1GPH3bgqqXsVZbr4fA9P3g | 18:01 |
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| boris-42 | ayoung =) | 18:01 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 18:01:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-07-17.07.log.html | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye, ajayaa https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time. | 18:01 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:01 |
| boris-42 | http://rachael98.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/no.gif oh this is better | 18:01 |
| rharwood | that magical time | 18:01 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | hi | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: o/ | 18:01 |
| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o\ | 18:01 |
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| raildo | o/ | 18:02 |
| nkinder | o/ | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 18:02:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | Lets get started then | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #topic IRC Meeting Time | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | Is this still a good time for the meeting? I'm happy but since it's a new cycle, just checking before we continue with it vs. trying to reschedule | 18:03 |
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| topol | time works for me | 18:03 |
| stevemar | +1 for current meeting time | 18:03 |
| ayoung | This has been a good time thus far | 18:03 |
| nkinder | yeah, good for me too | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | +1 | 18:03 |
| raildo | time works for me too | 18:03 |
| rharwood | this is good | 18:03 |
| dstanek | ++ | 18:03 |
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| rodrigods | ++ | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | cool. lets stick with it then. | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Marking Specs as Implemented [Keystoneclient, Keystonemiddleware, etc] | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | (belated o/) | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | Ohh, I have one that is in a -1 state that is implemented | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | so, we should mark completed specs as .. completed. | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: -1 state? | 18:04 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106438/ | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | what makes the most sense for that? change the title? change the spec? move it? (this impacts keystoneclient/middleware more than Keystone server) | 18:05 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, separate list of completed vs proposed? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | Fetch policy based on endpoint | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, henrynash got ahead of me and implemented it. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, basically look at the repo now... how do you know what's been implemented / closed without also looking at LP? | 18:06 |
| henrynash | ayoung: :-) | 18:06 |
| ayoung | it was just posted as a place holder | 18:06 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, i know what you mean, and i don't know given it's current state | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | we could just move them to "implemented" directory (probably easiest) | 18:07 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, under KSC have a sub section for completed vs and another for proposed/approved | 18:07 |
| ayoung | henrynash, care to close the loop on that one? | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that looks like it can be abandoned, no? | 18:07 |
| ayoung | dolphm, sure | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:07 |
| henrynash | ayoung: go ahead and kill it... | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, is there any benfit to approving a cleaned up version ex-post-facto? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | To document what we were doing? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | henrynash, did you work with a different review for the spec? | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, mind taking a look at the specs repo and what would look cleanest to get it a bit more clear on what has been finished? | 18:08 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, sure | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, awesome, thanks. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | #action stevemar to look into indicating specs that have been completed in the repo | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | anyone have strong feelings about it before we move on (how we indicate a spec is complete)? | 18:09 |
| ayoung | OK, abandoning mine. | 18:10 |
| henrynash | ayoung: sso I thought I had a different spec…hunting for it now | 18:10 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: did we have a consensus about "abandoned" specs? / ones that won't be completed | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/specs/juno/endpoint-policy.rst | 18:10 |
| ayoung | henrynash, ^^ | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, no don't think so | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Abanadoned Specs (what do we do with them) | 18:11 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: is nova's policy still to leave them in the old release's dir? | 18:11 |
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| lbragstad | weren't those going to be bumped to the next release? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | not sure. | 18:11 |
| dolphm | "approved but unworked specs" | 18:11 |
| ayoung | how about a "a parking lot" subdir | 18:11 |
| henrynash | ayoung: ah, yep | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: i think that's the direction stevemar was going, but that directly conflicts with nova's philosophy, and i feel like we need a middleground (like ayoung's parking lot for homeless specs) | 18:12 |
| gyee | any doc generated from the spec repo? | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | * nova's philosophy the last time i checked in | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | gyee: yes | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | the parking lot idea is cool, give new contributes a place to look for work too? | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | contributors* | 18:12 |
| stevemar | dolphm, bump is author says it's cool, parking lot otherwise | 18:12 |
| stevemar | i'm more than happy with that | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | or just contributors in general | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | gyee: http://specs.openstack.org/ | 18:13 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | yeah i'd be happy with a "parking" section | 18:13 |
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| topol | sounds good | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | sounds like consensus. Should we do a formal vote? | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | yeah, this sounds nice | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, eh. sure? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | heh | 18:13 |
| ayoung | lets post it for review | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ah, good idea, post it in the keystone-specs repo as part of the readme or something | 18:14 |
| gyee | dolphm, cool | 18:14 |
| dolphm | can we bikeshed on the name of the parking lot directory? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, only if it can be blue | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i mean orange | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | Lets call it "the bike shed" | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, you mind posting the change for that to the -specs repo? | 18:15 |
| ayoung | #action ayoung to post change for parking lot to spec repo | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thanks! | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | ok, on a related topic | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Pulling Partially Implemented Specs to next release | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | for those that are partially implemented (aka non-persistent tokens) how should those be handled? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | move the spec? re-propose with an update showing what was implemented? | 18:16 |
| stevemar | oh i like re-propose | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | it would be nice from a documentation perspective to know what about a specific spec went in per release. | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: we just retarget the bp from one release series to another, i feel like the same can apply to the spec? or, what would you change in the spec otherwise? work items? | 18:18 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i was thinking perhaps just copy the spec to the new target and indicate what was implemented last cycle. | 18:19 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, so spec stays the same, with just a little more info, but ends up in both relese directories to show it was implemented across both releases? | 18:19 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg, yes, and include a link to N-1 release spec in the N release spec | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'd also be ok with just moving the specs. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/126647 | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: fixed a couple typos ^ | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: comments on patchset on | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | one* | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | so i'll try and put together something that links to the juno spec for non-persistent tokens and we can iterate on how that looks for any other partial specs going forward + documenting. | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg propose example "pull partial implemented spec forward to next release" | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic defcore (keystone specific) requirements | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | hogepodge, o/ | 18:25 |
| hogepodge | Hi, some of you may know me from Puppet and the puppet-openstack community. | 18:26 |
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| hogepodge | I just joined the Foundation, and will be working on Interop. That's going to include working on whatever DefCore becomes. | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | hogepodge: (congrats!) | 18:26 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to get integrated in the Keystone project more from a testing perspective, to try and work out what the core requirements for an OpenStack installation would be with respect to Keystone | 18:27 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-defcore | 18:27 |
| hogepodge | So I'll be around, probably asking questions, looking for feedback, and just generally trying to be as helpful as possible. | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | hogepodge, great, I have some reviews for you | 18:28 |
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| hogepodge | ayoung \o/ | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Kilo Summit Sessions Discussion (continued) | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-keystone-summit-topics | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | so i've added some tenative sessions to the top of the etherpad | 18:31 |
| ayoung | we have a tenative schedule | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so we do | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/grid/ | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/type/keystone | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | it's getting to the time where we'll be solidifying the sessions, please look over the discussion and let definitely let me know if there are concerns / conflicts / etc on when some of the sessions should/shouldn't be. | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | it looks like we'll be having (based on the link ayoung posted) our working time(s) wed, thurs, and friday | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | We should make a deliberate cross project meeting for Horizon to Keystone integration | 18:34 |
| nkinder | ayoung++ | 18:34 |
| raildo | ayoung, ++ | 18:34 |
| nkinder | that's a big one | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so many of our issues are driven by the need to support horizon | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | david-lyle, ^ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | david-lyle, ^^ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | heh | 18:34 |
| david-lyle | we aim to cause problems | 18:35 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: so one thing I think we really want is enterprise user input into what we support with Keystone…which might be spread over the seesion, or odo we have a specific session as part of the UserOps part of the conference (if that exists this time around) | 18:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the cross project track is intended for topics that span *all* projects, not just a pairing | 18:35 |
| ayoung | david-lyle, and we make it easy for you to do so | 18:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: for a pairing, one project or another needs to dedicate it's own slot | 18:35 |
| ayoung | dolphm, in a way it will, | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, right but it wouldn't be inappropriate to consume either a horizon session or keystone session | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | Horizon really needs to depend on the service catalog abstraction to talk to all of the endpoints | 18:36 |
| raildo | dolphm, hierarchical projects affects Keystone, Horizon and Nova, so this is a cross-projects session or a Keystone session? | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, that might be best to dedicate to the pods / meetup day | 18:36 |
| david-lyle | we're going to do our formalized session planning next week, but several keystone related topics are in the list | 18:36 |
| dolphm | raildo: we did hierarchical multitenancy as a cross project session AND a keystone session in atlanta | 18:37 |
| dolphm | raildo: not sure what's more appropriate this time around | 18:37 |
| ayoung | we need to make sure that the meeting is focused on how Horizon consumes Keystone data in talking to all of the projects. Hierarchical, multi-endpoints-per-service, and so on | 18:37 |
| raildo | dolphm, ok | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, instead of consuming a session slot for it. | 18:37 |
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| dolphm | david-lyle: when is the horizon meeting we should all attend? :) | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, since I don't think we'll end up having a clear/consice target. | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, for a 40min session | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, if that makes sense | 18:38 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: what was the “user Ops” set of sessions call last time… | 18:38 |
| topol | cool, we can all attend the horsizon session. love the crossover | 18:38 |
| david-lyle | I'll let you know once I have a schedule, I'll try to make sure that horizon session doesn't overlap with a keystone one | 18:38 |
| henrynash | morgainfaiberg: how quickly the brain forgets... | 18:38 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: there were a bunch of sessions for users to give their input on a variety of things…I was kind of angling for a keystone session as part of that, rather than one of our own | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, well there were two things that happened, there was the Ops track which was more "ops specific" and we had (similar to what i'm planning this time) an open DevOps discussion, where keystone devs are available to discuss any devops topic | 18:39 |
| * david-lyle has to look back at the schdedule email | 18:39 | |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, yah, Keystone DevOps - absolutely planning that again. just run it like a panel, we )keystone devs) are available as a panel to answer/discuss anything operators/deployers want to ask. | 18:40 |
| dolphm | david-lyle: oh, i meant IRC meeting | 18:40 |
| henrynash | morganfaiberg: ah, Ok….just want to make sure that by tagging it “DevOps” we don’t imply this is specifically about that part of operations….(unless thats what we want!) | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | david-lyle: or whenever you're going to hash out the horizon summit schedule? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i'll reword it before we make it on the official schedule | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | at ATL it was called "devops" | 18:41 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:41 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: +1 for panel, but follow up with tom fifield to find out what format worked best (as every service seemed to run that session differently) | 18:41 |
| dolphm | and he attended them all | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i *heard* everyone liked ours. but will do | 18:41 |
| david-lyle | dolphm, ah, just came online, think I missed some context | 18:41 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: he told me ours was one of the most "productive" | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, right. | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'll check with him as well. | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | The tentative list will be: Authorization topic covering tokens (and how we're going to handle that), non-token alternatives, etc | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | keystoneclient | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | object lifecycle (fix Dep injection) | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | and the Operator session | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | the other three are wide open, obviously that list is in flux and could change / open to being changed | 18:44 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, role management | 18:46 |
| gyee | time to solve the global adminness issue | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | gyee, hierarchical roles | 18:47 |
| nkinder | gyee: you mean defining roles at a different level (like within a domain?) | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, sure, lets get some information on the etherpad about that. and we can consider it for a session | 18:47 |
| gyee | nkinder, yes | 18:47 |
| gyee | ayoung, ++ | 18:47 |
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| gyee | ninkder, is there a session on security? right now the credential blob in Keystone are not encrypted | 18:48 |
| raildo | ayoung, this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117787/ | 18:49 |
| ayoung | raildo, nope | 18:49 |
| ayoung | raildo, this: | 18:49 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125704/ | 18:49 |
| ayoung | but not token enforces...needs to be in policy | 18:50 |
| raildo | ayoung, ah, ok :) | 18:50 |
| nkinder | gyee: there's no central "security" session, though the security group has proposed a cross-project session | 18:50 |
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| gyee | also, role to capability lookup, I am sure the Horizon folks will appreciate that :) | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | nkinder, ah...we need to solve the quota problem: | 18:51 |
| nkinder | gyee: "security" is too much of a catch-all | 18:51 |
| ayoung | nkinder, too much for this forum though | 18:51 |
| gyee | take trust for example, when I delegate a role, I have no clue what exact capabilities I am delegating | 18:52 |
| gyee | other just the other guy need it to get somethin done | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, hence capabilities | 18:52 |
| ayoung | er | 18:52 |
| ayoung | constraints | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123726/ | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | gyee, that is why we don't want to just depend on RBAC for trusts | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | RBAC is course grained, but we want fine grained delegation | 18:53 |
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| gyee | ayoung, ++ for fine grained | 18:53 |
| ayoung | thought you would like that | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | 5min | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | Anything else before we finish up? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Keystone Juno RC2 | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | Soon. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | if you find any bugs get them reported now. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | and on that note. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 18:56:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-07-18.02.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-07-18.02.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-07-18.02.log.html | 18:56 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:56 |
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| fungi | wow, you ended _so_ early! | 18:59 |
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| AJaeger_ | fungi, we can start early ;) | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:59 |
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| fungi | heh | 18:59 |
| fungi | infra-team, assemble! | 18:59 |
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| AJaeger_ | sorry, team... | 18:59 |
| clarkb | with our powers combined we are captain planet! | 18:59 |
| nibalizer | o/o/ | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | oh good, we need two nibalizers | 19:00 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:00 |
| rfolco | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 19:00:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:01 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | anteaya take a stab at writing the openstack-infra/config rename changes | 19:01 |
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| fungi | how'd that go? | 19:01 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | I've been reviewing them, they're looking good | 19:01 |
| fungi | care to #link? | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | all set to WIP right now | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | ah ok I was ging to say I haven't seen them but gertty doesn't show me WIP by default | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | there are a lot of them, let's see how I can do this | 19:01 |
| clarkb | if they have the same topic you can link that url | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | they all have "Rename config => system-config" in the commit message topic thingy | 19:02 |
| anteaya | hi | 19:02 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:config-rename,n,z | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/config+topic:config-rename,n,z | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | ah, thanks anteaya | 19:03 |
| anteaya | I need to rebase | 19:03 |
| anteaya | sorry I'm late, thanks pleia2 | 19:03 |
| fungi | excellent | 19:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:03 |
| anteaya | so yes, do review, I hope to rebase this afternoon | 19:03 |
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| fungi | so anyway, that's underway, no longer an action item. we can move on unless there are urgent comments about the reviews | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | election business has kept me occupied | 19:03 |
| fungi | i understand entirely | 19:04 |
| fungi | fungi delete old ci-puppetmaster.openstack.org | 19:04 |
| anteaya | well shall we set a time for the rename? | 19:04 |
| fungi | done | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | thanks fungi \o/ | 19:04 |
| clarkb | did we mark the associated bug to rebuild the puppet master as fixed? | 19:04 |
| fungi | for those who have shell accounts on the new puppetmaster, i backed up the contents of the old ci-puppetmaster root homedir and stuck it in the new root homedir | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | he did | 19:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: yep | 19:04 |
| clarkb | perfect | 19:04 |
| nibalizer | so lets also puppet node deactivate ci-puppetmaster.o.o | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | on the new master | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | so it doesn't show up in puppetboard | 19:05 |
| fungi | glad i did too. i missed getting jeblair's gencert.sh convenience script off of it during the migration, and who knows what else is lurking in that tarball ;) | 19:05 |
| fungi | nibalizer: oh, great input. will do | 19:05 |
| fungi | i'll knock it out while topics are being discussed so i don't forget | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Kilo summit topic brainstorming pad | 19:06 |
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| fungi | just a reminder | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | oh I was supposed to look at that /me opens it now | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i added some background info and a distillation of our likely session schedule there | 19:06 |
| anteaya | I added infra-manual as a summit topic | 19:06 |
| anteaya | since I didn't know where else to mention it | 19:06 |
| anteaya | dev there has essentially stagnated due to lack of reviews | 19:07 |
| fungi | and once jeblair's back he can work his ptl magic wand and bless the sessions which float to the top | 19:07 |
| anteaya | if we don't want it as a summit topic that is fine | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (fungi) | 19:07 |
| anteaya | as long as we can kick it back into play somehow | 19:07 |
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| fungi | Puppet 3 Migration | 19:07 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: infra-manual could be a topic for a future meeting as well | 19:07 |
| clarkb | we can mark that as done done once you deactivate the old master ya? | 19:07 |
| fungi | this can be struck off the list once i disable the cert | 19:08 |
| fungi | yep | 19:08 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: we can try | 19:08 |
| fungi | i'll make sure to clear it off the agenda after the meeting too | 19:08 |
| clarkb | awesome | 19:08 |
| fungi | Swift logs | 19:08 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | I just merged a change of jheskeths to handle timestamps in logs | 19:08 |
| fungi | there's more hacking going on for tim estamps in console logs, i saw | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, that | 19:08 |
| clarkb | * in console logs. and will be rebuilding our images asap to get that chagne on the slaves | 19:08 |
| fungi | nibalizer: i've deactivated the old puppetmaster on the new one now, btw | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I will do a semi coordindate merge of the change that uses the new script output in the jobs while the images are building | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | \o/ fungi++ | 19:10 |
| clarkb | this will reduce the time where test will break for infra | 19:10 |
| fungi | good idea | 19:10 |
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| jhesketh | clarkb: Don't rebuild the images just yet though | 19:10 |
| fungi | clean enough for our purposes anyway | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: ok | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: just catching up with stuff but we aren't fetching the text version of the logs | 19:11 |
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| jhesketh | so we've broken the job anyway | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | I'll shoot a fix | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: we haven't | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: we split your job in two | 19:11 |
| clarkb | er your change | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | though there may be additional changes that need to be done | 19:11 |
| clarkb | so I will hld off on image builds | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: yes, but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126471/3/jenkins/scripts/grab_console_log.sh has the text version fetch commented out | 19:11 |
| clarkb | oh I see ya, if we uncomment that then this will go more smoothly. lets do that | 19:12 |
| fungi | sounds good | 19:12 |
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| jhesketh | anyway, once we're fetching the html verson of console log we can start comparing results | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | I'm not sure what metrics we should use though if anybody has some suggestions? | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh: mordred and I noticed some 404ing yesterday | 19:13 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: so we will probably want to fix that then look at mean time to fetch from disk vs swift? | 19:13 |
| fungi | jhesketh: hrm... probably wouldn't hurt to analyze the upload delay as well | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: 404ing on which paths? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | (for a specific non trivially sized file probably) | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh: the console.txt?source=swift path | 19:13 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: it would work most of the time but if you refreshed enough 404 | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | I wonder if we're hitting issues with the swiftclient not being threadsafe | 19:14 |
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| jhesketh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1372429 | 19:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372429 in python-swiftclient "swiftclient is not thread safe" [Undecided,New] | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh: possibly. I can try to dig into server logs and provide more info | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372429 | 19:15 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: cool, that'd be good | 19:16 |
| fungi | anything else we need to cover on current status of this effort? | 19:16 |
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| jhesketh | nope, just general help on comparing logs would be good but I'm not sure I'll be around much to progress it this week unfortunately | 19:17 |
| fungi | noted, thanks! | 19:17 |
| fungi | Config repo split | 19:17 |
| fungi | this is basically already covered during the action items topic | 19:17 |
| fungi | anteaya's wip reviews are the next phase | 19:18 |
| fungi | so no need to dwell further unless there are other concerns on this one? | 19:18 |
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| anteaya | just timing | 19:18 |
| anteaya | do we want to select a time for the rename? | 19:18 |
| anteaya | or punt until jim returns | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | renaming soon would be nice | 19:19 |
| fungi | i suggest we wait until the reviews are no longer wip and jeblair's back to discuss scheduling, but soon would definitely be nice | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | the reviews are only wip so we don't accidentally merge them and break all the things | 19:19 |
| anteaya | I'm planning on wiping them until the rename | 19:19 |
| fungi | just don't want to prematurely set a date and then have it slip after being announced | 19:19 |
| anteaya | what pleia2 said | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | all I need to do is rebase to make jenkins happy and respond to any reveiw concerns | 19:20 |
| anteaya | I can be ready by friday | 19:20 |
| fungi | oh, got it. so they're not actually a work in progress. we need a better convention for this state. sometimes we use wip, somtimes a core -2 | 19:20 |
| anteaya | right | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | whatever the convention is, that is all this is | 19:20 |
| fungi | but generally neither of those get visibility to reviewers so sub-optimal | 19:20 |
| anteaya | agreed | 19:20 |
| fungi | okay, moving on | 19:21 |
| anteaya | so no set time then? | 19:21 |
| fungi | oh, we can vote on whether we want to pick a time and do it while jeblair's away i suppose | 19:21 |
| anteaya | I'm fine with Friday | 19:21 |
| jesusaurus | are we holding off on splitting out modules until after the rename? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | if we can do the rename soonish, that would make sense to me jesusaurus | 19:22 |
| fungi | module break-out could probably happen in parallel i would think? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: we shouldn't need to, but I haven't thought about that for very long | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | jesusaurus: you make it sound like we have a plan :) | 19:22 |
| * nibalizer has been going forward with module split out | 19:22 | |
| anteaya | any objections to renaming config to system-config on friday later afternoon eastern time? | 19:22 |
| anteaya | like 2000 utc or 2100 utc? | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, whatever reviews/changes you have posted against openstack-infra/config for that work will move seamlessly to the new project name, so should be non-impacting | 19:23 |
| anteaya | anyone hate that idea? | 19:23 |
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| * nibalizer no objection | 19:23 | |
| * krtaylor runs and hides from third-party impacts | 19:23 | |
| anteaya | impact with be the same friday or any other day | 19:23 |
| krtaylor | true | 19:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: I move for 2100 utc on Friday for the rename | 19:24 |
| fungi | anyone want to second? | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 19:24 |
| anteaya | and fold in the stackforge ones while we are at it | 19:24 |
| anteaya | clarkb: can you be around? | 19:24 |
| clarkb | ya I can be around | 19:24 |
| fungi | 2100 utc lands around my dinner time, but i can try to plan to not do stuff friday evening | 19:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: how does that time work for you? | 19:25 |
| anteaya | fungi: do you want a different time? | 19:25 |
| anteaya | fungi: pick a better time | 19:25 |
| fungi | nah, i'll make it work | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | so the other thing to consider is when do we release juno? | 19:25 |
| fungi | actually my wife's in class that night, so it'll be fine now that i think about it | 19:25 |
| clarkb | and is there any worry that we will wedge ourselves and make that hard? | 19:25 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:26 |
| anteaya | fungi: you can post the announcement to dev? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I think the 16th so we should actually be ifne | 19:26 |
| clarkb | ya so 10th is probably fine | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | anteaya, fungi: I can draft something up | 19:26 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thanks | 19:26 |
| fungi | pleia2: appreciated! | 19:26 |
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| anteaya | okay thanks, I just didnt' see any point in waiting other week | 19:27 |
| fungi | sure, i see the logic in that | 19:28 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 19:28 |
| fungi | so anyway, this is impinging on the release schedule since that's next week | 19:28 |
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| fungi | ttx: if you're around, objections to us having an infra configuration shake-up and potentially prolonged system impact after you go to sleep on friday? | 19:29 |
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| fungi | if so, holding off to week after next (so that it's post-release) may be more prudent | 19:30 |
| anteaya | ttx's call then | 19:30 |
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| fungi | anyway, we can get feedback from him out of band before sending the announcement | 19:30 |
| anteaya | cool | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | ok | 19:30 |
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| fungi | Nodepool DIB | 19:31 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:31 |
| fungi | that's also humming along, seems like | 19:31 |
| mordred | (sorry I'm late) | 19:31 |
| anteaya | mordred: glad you're here | 19:31 |
| clarkb | nodepool dib is sort of moving along hit a roadblock in that rax expects a different image format than hpcloud | 19:32 |
| clarkb | so I wrote a change to dib to spit out multiple formats of the same image | 19:32 |
| fungi | did they release yet? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125475/ | 19:32 |
| clarkb | it hasn't merged yet :/ | 19:32 |
| clarkb | greghaynes is concerned about perceived backward incompat that I don't think is an issue | 19:32 |
| clarkb | so I am working on getting devstack-precise into dib with hpcloud too | 19:33 |
| fungi | okie-dokie | 19:33 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126609/ I need to fix whatever issue the tests pointed out | 19:33 |
| * mordred is also working on a beefier dib patch | 19:33 | |
| clarkb | but this way I don't stop moving so I am reasonably happy with the situation | 19:34 |
| fungi | yep | 19:34 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | then once dib change merges (if it does) I will have to update nodepool to set the right flags to get both formats | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | as an alternative nodepool could do the conversion too | 19:34 |
| clarkb | but I feel pretty strongly my image building tool should handle that | 19:34 |
| mordred | agree | 19:35 |
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| fungi | okay, anything else? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I was also going to start fiddlign with hosting those images off of nodepool.o.o | 19:36 |
| clarkb | hopefully have a change up for that in the not too distant future | 19:36 |
| fungi | oh, right, that too needs doing | 19:36 |
| fungi | okay, great | 19:36 |
| fungi | Jobs on trusty | 19:36 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:36 |
| fungi | no substandial movement this week | 19:36 |
| fungi | er, substantial | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | subsundial | 19:37 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:37 |
| anteaya | for sundials below the earth | 19:37 |
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| fungi | so we can skip this for the same of teh schedule | 19:37 |
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| fungi | moving on to meeting topics | 19:37 |
| fungi | #topic Kilo cycle Infra liaisons... should we have them? | 19:37 |
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| anteaya | I feel I kinda already do in some sense | 19:37 |
| anteaya | with Neutron at the very least | 19:38 |
| fungi | just a quick question to put a bug in your brains, though jeblair should probably send out a proper request for liaisons when he returns if that's something we want to do as a agroup | 19:38 |
| anteaya | not sure how my work with third party is categorized | 19:38 |
| clarkb | can we define infra liason? | 19:38 |
| anteaya | yeah, let's have a definition | 19:38 |
| clarkb | because I think the term has grown organically over in oslo land | 19:38 |
| anteaya | and where did the idea come from? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | and may not map 1:1 with what we do | 19:38 |
| anteaya | ah oslo | 19:38 |
| fungi | designated people in the server programs, generally core reviewers or other heavily-involved contributors, who help coordinate changes needed to support our efforts | 19:39 |
| AJaeger_ | in which direction is the liason? Is this a infra member that joins e.g. Neutron - or a neutron dev that helps infra? | 19:39 |
| anteaya | where did that come from? | 19:39 |
| anteaya | is that the oslo definition? | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger_: person in neutron that helps infra aiui | 19:39 |
| fungi | all the cool kids are doing it (qa, oslo, et cetera) | 19:39 |
| anteaya | ah well not me then | 19:40 |
| anteaya | that leaves me out, never been one of the cool kids | 19:40 |
| clarkb | all that said I don't think I have any objection to various project volunteers stepping up to learn how bits of project-config work | 19:40 |
| fungi | right, anyway, just something to think about as you see the requests for people to sign up as liaisons to the other so-called "horizontal" efforts | 19:40 |
| clarkb | (I assume most of the related happenings will be in that repo) | 19:40 |
| anteaya | makes sense | 19:40 |
| fungi | effectively points of contact we can count on in the various projects | 19:40 |
| anteaya | that is where the jobs and acls action is | 19:41 |
| anteaya | ah well if anyone signs up, they are welcome | 19:41 |
| fungi | didn't want to take up a ton of time on this one, since it's not something we'll decide today | 19:41 |
| fungi | #topic Fedora/Centos testing updates (ianw) | 19:41 |
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| fungi | ianw: are you back from your travels i take it? | 19:41 |
| ianw | hi | 19:42 |
| ianw | one was a dib update, but i saw that above | 19:42 |
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| fungi | okay | 19:43 |
| ianw | hp cloud now has centos7 images, so i hope to bring up nodepool instances on there so we can get the centos7 job active for devstack changes | 19:43 |
| ianw | i will keep working on the centos7 changes for d-i-b and help out where i can | 19:44 |
| mordred | I'd rather land the centos dib stuff tbh | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | ianw: we did switch hpcloud devstack-trusty to dib while you were out | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | so ya we can probably go straight to dib in hpcloud for centos7 | 19:44 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:44 |
| fungi | yeah, at this point the train has mostly sailed | 19:45 |
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| ianw | clarkb / modred : ok, changes are out there for that, i'm not sure if there are blockers? | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124256/ | 19:45 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/123639 | 19:46 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/124255 | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | ianw: I don't think so. Just review time. I will add that to my dibification list | 19:46 |
| fungi | we can probably just review those normally rather than going over them in the meeting (we've got 13 minutes left) | 19:47 |
| ianw | yep, fine | 19:47 |
| fungi | #topic Log Download (ianw) | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/122615 | 19:47 |
| ianw | not got much feedback on that change | 19:47 |
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| fungi | was this a contentious change, or just a request for reviews? | 19:47 |
| ianw | not sure if i'm the only one who wants log bundles | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | I still don't understand why wget doesn't work | 19:47 |
| fungi | no, i've definitely wished we had that ability in the past | 19:47 |
| fungi | wget should work, though it ends up doing a bunch of downloads | 19:48 |
| ianw | clarkb: one issue with wget is that it sends uncompressed logs down | 19:48 |
| clarkb | fungi: for what is roughyl the same number of bits though | 19:48 |
| clarkb | ianw: if you set the right header ou get it all gzipped | 19:48 |
| clarkb | accept-encoding: gzip iirc | 19:48 |
| fungi | true, modulo the log viewer compression header situation | 19:48 |
| fungi | er, that, right | 19:48 |
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| ianw | clarkb: ok, unless you set flags, you get uncompressed logs :) it's pretty unintuitive and i don't think helps people dig into gate failures quickly | 19:49 |
| fungi | anyway, this is another we probably don't need to spend meeting time on. we can follow up in #openstack-infra | 19:49 |
| ianw | ok, yeah, just a request for reviews on that | 19:49 |
| fungi | cool | 19:49 |
| fungi | #topic Publish devstack.org content under infra | 19:49 |
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| fungi | (anteaya) | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | so fungi got control of the domain on the servers | 19:50 |
| anteaya | so the next task is to write some jobs to publish the content | 19:50 |
| fungi | we have control over dns for that domain now, yes | 19:50 |
| anteaya | where shall we publish? | 19:50 |
| AJaeger_ | docs.openstack.org | 19:50 |
| anteaya | new server or space on an existing server | 19:51 |
| fungi | seemed like we had discussed publishing to the same place as other developer docs? | 19:51 |
| anteaya | sure, where is that? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ++ to existing developer docs | 19:51 |
| anteaya | the docs.openstack.org server? | 19:51 |
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| AJaeger_ | docs.openstack.org/developer | 19:51 |
| fungi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ | 19:51 |
| anteaya | we are just going to have devstack.org as a redirect then? | 19:51 |
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| AJaeger_ | and link it from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 19:51 |
| mordred | or maybe have devstack.org also be a ServerName | 19:52 |
| fungi | anteaya: yeah, that was the thought is that devstack documentation ultimately lives there and we deprecate the devstack.org domain using it simply to host a 301 moved redirect | 19:52 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:52 |
| mordred | or that | 19:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya I think CNAME and vhost servername solves it well | 19:52 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:52 |
| fungi | like we did with e.g. nova.openstack.org | 19:52 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: you feel like creating the patch? | 19:52 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger_: and I will review? | 19:52 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: ok | 19:53 |
| mordred | the current docs for devstack are writting in what? | 19:53 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: my guess is you have more experience than I | 19:53 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: thanks | 19:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: feel like making it official with an action item? | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | mordred: combination of hand-coded html and shocco output | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | and that should close out this agenda item I do believe | 19:53 |
| fungi | #action AJaeger_ draft documentation publishing job for devstack | 19:53 |
| mordred | dtroyer: ah - so they're just in docs/source in the devstack repo? | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | yup | 19:53 |
| fungi | should be easy-peasy | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | tools/build_docs.sh creates docs/html | 19:54 |
| mordred | kk | 19:54 |
| fungi | anything else to cover on this topic? | 19:54 |
| mordred | cool | 19:54 |
| mordred | thanks dtroyer | 19:54 |
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| fungi | i'm reordering the last few topics for the sake of time | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | fungi defer mine to next week please | 19:54 |
| AJaeger_ | dtroyer: thanks | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | The Storyboard migration can be deferred until jeblair is back | 19:55 |
| fungi | hogepodge: okay, can do | 19:55 |
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| krotscheck | Actually, just pull it altogether | 19:55 |
| fungi | krotscheck: thanks, that makes this easy | 19:55 |
| fungi | krotscheck: oh? | 19:55 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: We can bring that up at the storyboard meeting, which he attends, to ask whether he feels ready to propose a migration. | 19:55 |
| fungi | krotscheck: i guess elaborate in #openstack-infra after this | 19:55 |
| fungi | and that's a great venue for it. thanks | 19:55 |
| fungi | so that leaves... | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Agenda mgmt | 19:56 |
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| fungi | (ianw) | 19:56 |
| ianw | just a quick one, i'm often confused as to when updates happened on the agenda page | 19:56 |
| ianw | can we have a standard of tagging with name and date? | 19:56 |
| anteaya | the meeting agenda? | 19:56 |
| fungi | yeah, it's a free-for-all right now | 19:56 |
| fungi | tag with the date of the meeting you want to discuss it at? | 19:56 |
| ianw | and also copy current week to an archived page, that will help too i think | 19:56 |
| fungi | or the date you added it? | 19:56 |
| ianw | fungi: well, either, i just put the date i want to talk about it next to my name | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i think we tried keeping the previous week's agenda around for a bit, don't remember how that worked out | 19:57 |
| anteaya | it gets long | 19:57 |
| krtaylor | I thought you were already required to put your name by it? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | third party has it, so does qa | 19:57 |
| * krtaylor needs to archive that | 19:57 | |
| krtaylor | it does get too long | 19:57 |
| fungi | i'll admit i got sloppy and didn't put my name next to a couple since i knew i was going to chair anyway | 19:58 |
| anteaya | the page gets really long, and the meeting logs have the agenda items that are called | 19:58 |
| fungi | bad me | 19:58 |
| * anteaya shakes her finger at fungi | 19:58 | |
| mtreinish | anteaya: yes it gets very long... | 19:58 |
| anteaya | I like having a tidy page | 19:58 |
| fungi | so anyway, i don't mind adding a date for the meeting which the topic is targeting | 19:58 |
| anteaya | but I can see ianw's concern | 19:58 |
| fungi | might make for a reasonable compromise | 19:58 |
| clarkb | wfm | 19:58 |
| anteaya | we can try that yeah | 19:58 |
| fungi | anyone else mind doing that? | 19:59 |
| ianw | anteaya : i think bits are cheap, and i'd say move it to a separate archive page | 19:59 |
| anteaya | still tider than what thirdparty or qa does | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | wfm | 19:59 |
| fungi | also we need to get better about removing our topics soon after the meeting if they're suitably addressed | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yes | 19:59 |
| anteaya | ianw: then who maintains the archieve page | 19:59 |
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| mordred | it's almost like we should hae automation for that ... | 19:59 |
| jesusaurus | mordred: ++ | 19:59 |
| fungi | the challenge with archiving them is the question of whether you have any carry-over or start with a blank slate every time | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | I've chased people down about expired agenda items, it gets old | 19:59 |
| fungi | we've tended to carry over some | 19:59 |
| fungi | also, we're at time | 20:00 |
| mordred | like #topic++ to pop to the next topic, etc | 20:00 |
| anteaya | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
| fungi | thank you everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 20:00:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-07-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-07-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-07-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| fungi | [and now we return to our regularly scheduled no tc meeting] | 20:01 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:00 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 21:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| ttx | 9 days to final release | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News from the 1:1 sync points (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | Hi | 21:01 |
| ttx | Here is the log(s): | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-10-07-08.28.html | 21:01 |
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| ttx | All projects published their RC1 last week or over the weekend, Sahara just respinned RC2 | 21:01 |
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| ttx | Keystone, Glance, Nova, Cinder and Ceilometer have an RC2 window opened now | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other program news (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:02 |
| mestery | ttx: Neutron as well? | 21:02 |
| mestery | Or we're talking tomorrow, I forget. | 21:02 |
| ttx | mestery: we haven't opened an RC2 window yet. | 21:02 |
| ttx | tomorrow :) | 21:02 |
| mestery | ttx: Ack | 21:02 |
| mestery | :) | 21:02 |
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| ttx | ok, let's move on to other topics, if someone has announcements, can shout in the middle | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Refreshing translations on proposed/juno | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Refreshing translations on proposed/juno (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | Translations should generally be refreshed if/when we respin a RC, so that we release relatively-fresh ones | 21:03 |
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| ttx | But the trick is we can't just backport translations from master, as they may or may not apply to proposed/juno | 21:04 |
| ttx | So to generate the change we need to run the commands specified at: | 21:04 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126569/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: do you have them in some runnable script ? | 21:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: and do you confirm those commands are the right ones ? | 21:04 |
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| ttx | dolphm: and do you actually need a transifex account to run them? | 21:05 |
| dolphm | ttx: i do not, beyond what's in the commit message above | 21:05 |
| dolphm | ttx: and no, it turns out you don't need an account for the subset of the commands pasted there | 21:06 |
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| dolphm | it only depends on the local codebase | 21:06 |
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| ttx | eglynn: maybe try to reproduce those commands and post a change for ceilometer ? | 21:06 |
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| eglynn | ttx: sure thing, will do | 21:06 |
| dolphm | eglynn: ping me if you need a hand | 21:06 |
| eglynn | dolphm: thanks | 21:07 |
| dolphm | applies to anyone else as well ^ | 21:07 |
| mikal | I assume you want us all to give that a try if we have a rc2 | 21:07 |
| ttx | if you have an RC2 warning up, and you're getting close to publishing ity, we'll push such a change | 21:07 |
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| ttx | mikal: yes | 21:07 |
| dolphm | AJaeger is in #openstack-infra and can surely help as well | 21:07 |
| ttx | so if you have questions about it, ask them now | 21:07 |
| ttx | mikal: but we shouldn't push the change too early | 21:08 |
| ttx | the later, the fresher | 21:08 |
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| mikal | ttx: so noted | 21:08 |
| ttx | also all RC1s had relatively fresh translations anyway, so if a project just promotes RC1 to release, that's fine too | 21:08 |
| ttx | any question on that ? | 21:08 |
| dolphm | just ensure you're on the proposed/juno branch when you're running the above, else you're just competing with openstack proposal bot | 21:09 |
| ttx | and HE ALWAYS WINS | 21:09 |
| dolphm | and not really helping rc2 :) | 21:09 |
| ttx | ok, if no question, then next topic | 21:09 |
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| ttx | #topic taskflow>=0.5.0 juno requirements bump ? or not ? | 21:09 |
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| ttx | Taskflow was updated recently to 0.5.0 with several bugfixes | 21:10 |
| ttx | That makes me wonder if we should bump requirements to >=0.5.0 in master and in proposed/juno | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | ttx: my vote is no | 21:10 |
| ttx | Cinder is the only project consuming it | 21:10 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: looks like that bug is specific to six.moves and multiple threads | 21:10 |
| ttx | so your conservative vote prevails | 21:10 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: I'm fine with not bumping, as this could put distros in some painful situation | 21:11 |
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| ttx | and in theory we freezed | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | ttx: sounds good | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'm pretty much convinced we're safe here | 21:11 |
| ttx | harlowja_: does that make sense ? | 21:11 |
| * harlowja_ reading | 21:11 | |
| harlowja_ | i think we are ok, eventlet is saving us on that one i think (for better or worse) | 21:12 |
| ttx | harlowja_: hah, :) | 21:12 |
| harlowja_ | anyone using real threads + six.moves will likely sometimes see weird stuff | 21:12 |
| ttx | alright then. | 21:12 |
| ttx | harlowja_: we don't prevent anyone from running 0.5.0 fwiw | 21:12 |
| ttx | it's just that we don't force those on 0.4.0 to update | 21:12 |
| harlowja_ | ya | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project workshops at the Design Summit | 21:13 |
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| ttx | Like in ATL, the first day of Design Summit (Tuesday) will be dedicated to cross-project workshops | 21:13 |
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| harlowja_ | totally fair, dimsum_ compiled http://paste.openstack.org/show/119087/ (which shows other areas in openstack that use six.moves), hopefully the patch to six will get accepted to avoid all these potential issues | 21:13 |
| ttx | (in addition to incubated projects and a few other things) | 21:13 |
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| ttx | Current plan is to have two or three running at the same time | 21:13 |
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| ttx | for a total of 18 40-min slots, like this: | 21:13 |
| ttx | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/type/cross-project+workshops | 21:14 |
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| ttx | Suggestions are open at: | 21:14 |
| * dhellmann apologizes for being late | 21:14 | |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 21:14 |
| ttx | Some topics will obviously use 2 slots | 21:14 |
| ttx | Some people wanted to have only 2 running in parallel, some others wanted to keep as much space as we had in ATL | 21:14 |
| ttx | so this is a middle ground :) | 21:14 |
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| ttx | We'll get people from the newly-elected TC to work on building the schedule there | 21:15 |
| ttx | but if it's like in ATL, it should be pretty consensual | 21:16 |
| annegentle | ttx: I do want docs topics in there since we don't have another slot | 21:16 |
| ttx | annegentle: indeed | 21:16 |
| ttx | annegentle: file away | 21:16 |
| annegentle | ttx: just put one on scaling in the etherpad | 21:16 |
| ttx | Questions on that topic ? | 21:16 |
| annegentle | can you explain pods more (after you're done with cross project topic?) | 21:17 |
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| ttx | Note that as far as scheduling goes, we'll use an ODSREG instance like we use to, but will just edit the content of the sessions once they are picked, rather than use it for CFP | 21:17 |
| mestery | annegentle: +1 to more info on pods | 21:17 |
| ttx | so it will be used by PTLs or their monkey only | 21:17 |
| ttx | OK, pods. | 21:17 |
| ttx | So we'll have a number of tables. They may be square this time | 21:18 |
| eglynn | ODSREG? | 21:18 |
| ttx | in two spaces, slightly separate from the dev loungs | 21:18 |
| * mestery liked circle tables. :) | 21:18 | |
| ttx | eglynn: the software atht was running on summit.o.o before | 21:18 |
| ttx | openstack-infra/odsreg | 21:18 |
| eglynn | ttx: -ha, got it | 21:18 |
| ttx | mestery: but we reuse some of those tables to build the "meetups" space on Friday :) | 21:19 |
| mikal | And some teams have a meetup day right? | 21:19 |
| mikal | So are probably not as interested in pods? | 21:19 |
| ttx | some programs will have dedicated pods (incubated, docs, oslo) | 21:19 |
| ttx | since they don't have a meetup | 21:19 |
| ttx | everyone else shares a number of tables | 21:19 |
| ttx | we'll have signs, so wyou can claim an empty space as yours | 21:20 |
| ttx | and people should be able to find you | 21:20 |
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| ttx | obviously if people are just using the table to work on something else, we might have to ask them to move | 21:20 |
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| annegentle | ttx: yup, ok | 21:21 |
| ttx | there should be something like one pod for two programs | 21:21 |
| * annegentle is glad we're not the only ones without a meetup day | 21:21 | |
| ttx | + all the dedicated ones. | 21:21 |
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| ttx | annegentle: you can consider your pod as a always(running meetup :) | 21:22 |
| ttx | Other questions on that ? | 21:22 |
| * dimsum_ peeks | 21:22 | |
| annegentle | ayup ttx :) | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | how far away are the pods from everything else this time? | 21:22 |
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| ttx | pods are very close to the session rooms | 21:22 |
| ttx | so may be less clam | 21:22 |
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| ttx | calm* | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | that should be ok, I think we'll use them more for oslo if that's the case | 21:23 |
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| ttx | As far as scheduling goes, we'd like to have the schedule all set at least one week before summit start | 21:23 |
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| ttx | so that means we'll have to start making up the schedule soon after release | 21:24 |
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| ttx | and plan to have the meetings to pick the sessions then | 21:24 |
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| ttx | I'll be in touch with PTLs on the process to enter the session contents in the schedule | 21:24 |
| ttx | (or their summit scheduling liaison) | 21:25 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:25 |
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| mestery | ttx: Excellent, thanks! | 21:25 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you had something to mention iirc | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | yes, | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | we need each project to set up a liaison for working with oslo again this cycle | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | I didn't want to assume our current volunteers would sign up for a second time, so I went ahead and wiped the wiki page | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons#Liaisons_for_Oslo_Integration | 21:26 |
| ttx | fwiw we'll do the same for release management. By default the liaison would be the PTL, but you may want to assign someone else | 21:26 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: when you need the liaison nominations by? | 21:26 |
| ttx | and expect the security team to ask for a main security liaison as well | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to have the roster filled before the summit so I can make sure they all know which sessions we need them in | 21:26 |
| mtreinish | I'm planning to do the same thing with QA as well | 21:26 |
| * mestery likes the formalization of the liasion program. | 21:26 | |
| ttx | and stable team | 21:27 |
| ttx | etc | 21:27 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | can't this be on one wiki page? | 21:27 |
| mestery | asalkeld: ++ | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: we could probably do that | 21:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: i've been wondering if there was value in showing all liaisons on the same page, or on separate pages | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | (all the different cross project stuff) | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, one big table would work | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | I'll set that page up and mail the link to the list | 21:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: col, thx | 21:27 |
| ttx | cool* | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | nice, thx | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: good idea -- I didn't realize everyone else was going to definitely do the same thing this time around | 21:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: the VMT had a team of security contacts, but we always ended up with the same person... so better for that person to be THE liaison | 21:29 |
| ttx | the default person to ping | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | I also want to reiterate that now that we've graduated a bunch of the low level libraries, moving to them should be a priority for all projects in kilo -- we've deleted the incubated version of that code from the master branch of the incubator | 21:29 |
| ttx | rather than nobody stepping up | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: makes sense, do we have that list somewhere that I can reproduce on this new page? | 21:30 |
| mestery | dhellmann: Agree on the new graduated libraries. | 21:30 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: depends on the format, but if you list them in separate secvtions, maybe simpler to wait for each area to call for them ? | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | mestery: we had a lot of good uptake during juno, but I want to make sure we carry that forward and finish | 21:31 |
| mestery | dhellmann: Agreed | 21:31 |
| mikal | dhellmann: it would be interesting to be able to generate a report of wqhat orphaned code we have out there | 21:31 |
| ttx | I don't want to assume there will be infra liaisons is infra doesn't call for them formally | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx: makes sense -- one section per cross-project concern, with a table formatted like the on on the oslo page? | 21:31 |
| mikal | dhellmann: something which could be mailed out to openstack-dev periodically perhaps | 21:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: sounds good | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | mikal: I will be working on that between now and k-1 | 21:31 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann, ttx: like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/ProjectLiaisons ? | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | mikal: but that's also something I hope to delegate to the liaisons :-) | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: yep, I'll move yours, too if you like. I was going to call the new page CrossProjectLiaisons and leave it at the top level of the wiki | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: sure, thanks | 21:33 |
| ttx | ok.. anything else, anyone ? | 21:34 |
| ttx | alright then. | 21:34 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 21:34:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-07-21.01.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-07-21.01.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-07-21.01.log.html | 21:34 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:35 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:35 |
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