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Sam-I-Amhowever, we didnt see rhel packages until 2 weeks ago and they're still b3 instead of rc114:13
fungithe openstack meetbot is back now. freenode issues14:14
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Sam-I-Ami tested rhel/centos/fedora over the last week or so and its good through neutron14:14
Sam-I-Amfungi: thx14:14
Sam-I-Amubuntu horizon still lacks a package dependency14:14
Sam-I-Amhavent made any progress on suse14:15
Sam-I-Amso, if anyone has time, get testing :)14:15
Sam-I-Amrelease is next week and at this point the best i can do is make sure the 'core' services work14:15
Sam-I-Amcinder, swift, ceilometer, heat, etc... will be post-release updates14:15
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Sam-I-Amalthough i dont think they've changed much besides init systems14:15
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Sam-I-Amif we dont see any traction on a particular distro, its tempting to see if we can drop it from the guide14:16
Sam-I-Amlike debian, for example14:16
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Sam-I-Amnext topic: website design status14:17
Sam-I-Ami guess anne mentioned that in her report14:17
Sam-I-Amso unless anyone has something else to add here14:17
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Sam-I-Amy'all are sleeping :)14:18
Sam-I-Amnext topic: HOT template guide status14:18
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Sam-I-Amgpocentek: is this you?14:18
gpocentekthere's been good progress14:18
gpocentekwe have a hot-reference publishd14:18
gpocentekand the hot-guide is shaping up14:18
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Sam-I-Amanything else?14:19
gpocenteknothing much, we need a bit of editing on the hot guide14:19
Sam-I-Amedit all the things14:19
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Sam-I-Amnext topic: API docs14:20
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Sam-I-Amsupposedly anne mass-deleted a bunch of stuff and only one person noticed14:20
Sam-I-Ami dont know the details though14:20
Sam-I-Amnext topic: doc tools status14:21
Sam-I-Amno updates until after the juno release14:21
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Sam-I-Amwhich is next week... so get ready :)14:21
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Sam-I-Amlast topic: open discussion14:22
Sam-I-Amanyone have anything interesting? seems kind of quiet in here.14:22
Sam-I-Amdocs has felt unusually quiet for a while now14:22
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nickchaseNope, I got nothing.14:23
gpocenteknothing here either14:23
Sam-I-Amme neither. just lots of work prior to release.14:23
Sam-I-Amthanks for everyone's hard work everywhere... we're a small team with too much to do.14:23
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Sam-I-Amon that note, i guess we can close the meeting14:24
gpocentekthanks for leading it Sam-I-Am!14:24
Sam-I-Amtime to go find some caffeine14:24
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nickchasethanks all14:25
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mateljohnthetubaguy: ping15:01
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting xenapi15:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic XenServer CI15:02
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johnthetubaguymatel: hello, sorry distracted my IRC15:02
matelNo, that's ok.15:02
johnthetubaguyanyways, how the CI doing these days15:02
matelGImme some secs, let me to a query.15:02
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matelBob added some new query parameters to the CI scripts.15:04
matel 22 No tempest failures detected15:05
matel 20 More than 10 failures15:05
matel 13 Fewer than 2 duplicates15:05
johnthetubaguydo we still have the swift thing?15:05
matel  2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_floating_ips_bulk.FloatingIPsBulkAdminTest.test_create_list_delete_floating_ips_bulk15:05
matel  2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_get_hypervisor_show_servers15:05
matel  2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hosts_negative.HostsAdminNegativeTest.test_show_host_detail_with_non_admin_user15:05
matel  2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hosts_negative.HostsAdminNegativeTest.test_show_host_detail_with_nonexistent_hostname15:05
matel  2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_search_hypervisor15:05
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matelThis is what the query tells me.15:05
matelwhich testcase was the swift?15:05
johnthetubaguyhmm, interesting15:06
johnthetubaguyI mean the status report sent to a swift container15:06
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matelosci-view failures --recent 7215:06
matelAh, where is that, let me check the wiki.15:06
johnthetubaguyoh, good point, the wiki should tell that15:06
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matelI thought you are referencing to a test failure related to swift.15:07
johnthetubaguyyeah, sorry, thats the one I mean15:08
matelOk, sure thing. I'm looking at that as well.15:08
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mateltempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard seems to be the big one15:08
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mateland tempest.api.compute.security_groups.test_security_group_rules.SecurityGroupRulesTest15:09
matelDo they look familiar?15:09
matelLet's try to find a console output for tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard15:09
johnthetubaguyI mean I think they might be general gate issues15:09
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matelWould be nice to be able to get to the console logs.15:10
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mateljohnthetubaguy: can you recall how to do that?15:10
johnthetubaguyshould be in the results folder somewhere15:10
johnthetubaguywhich failed test had that in, I guess is the question15:11
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matelare you logged in, johnthetubaguy?15:12
johnthetubaguylogged into where?15:12
johnthetubaguyI am looking at the results in swift basically15:12
matellogged in to osci15:12
johnthetubaguyno, not logged into there15:12
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matelOkay, I guess that's something that would be nice, to be able to associate job ids to the individual test failures.15:13
johnthetubaguywell, we have the tempest logs15:14
johnthetubaguyand all the screen logs I think15:14
johnthetubaguyshould have the info we need15:14
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matelI'm looking for the console log15:15
johnthetubaguywhat you looking for from there?15:16
johnthetubaguythe test running stuff?15:16
johnthetubaguytempest.txt.gz should be fine15:16
matelyes, where I can find those names.15:16
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matelwuff, that's a huge blob15:17
johnthetubaguythat one is quite good15:17
matelLet me look at that15:17
matelBut I think we would definitely find a way to do some triage -ing.15:18
johnthetubaguywell we have the top fails, I guess we just need to find instances of that fail15:18
matelYes, but tha should be done by computers .15:19
matelLet me add this to the wiki.15:19
johnthetubaguyyeah, the last three failures at the bottom of here would be good:15:20
matelOkay, I guess we need to find a way to do that, I see no point of doing it now manually.15:22
johnthetubaguymakes sense15:22
matelcould you create an action item for me: lookup logs related to tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard and tempest.api.compute.security_groups.test_security_group_rules.SecurityGroupRulesTest15:22
matelyou are the IRC wizard.15:23
matelMaybe we already have this functionality, it just needs to be documented.15:23
johnthetubaguy#action matel lookup logs related to tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_ha15:23
johnthetubaguygot output to swift15:23
matelAnd I also need to check wether these failures could be caused by code changes on that area?15:23
johnthetubaguywell, its quite possible its affecting the general gate too15:24
johnthetubaguyits the last 22 failures are all the same patch, thats a good hit :)15:24
johnthetubaguybut yeah, we need more data15:24
johnthetubaguyany more on the CI?15:24
matelWill talk to Bob regarding to that.15:24
matelWell, have you seen that project-config has been split?15:25
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion15:25
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matelIt's not really relevant, anyhow.15:25
johnthetubaguynot really got much to say15:25
johnthetubaguyexpect its summit planning time, get your ideas on the wiki page15:25
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johnthetubaguyI don't plan on having a XenAPI session though15:25
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matelI see.15:25
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johnthetubaguyit would be good to get some more refactoring work complete, now we are open for kilo15:26
matelI won't be there, I did not contribute anything during the last period .15:26
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matelAH, Bob is here15:27
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?15:27
johnthetubaguyah, lol15:27
matelLet's ask him about the CI quickly15:27
BobBallAwaygo for it15:27
johnthetubaguyBobBallAway: any more for any more?15:27
matelBobBallAway: is there a way to query the job ids that have a particular test failure?15:27
BobBallAwaywell asking me about the CI?15:27
BobBallAwayosci-view failures --with-fail "text"15:27
matelteach us, please.15:27
matelOkay, let me try that.15:27
BobBallAwayor --with-fail "" if you want to list the jobs with no failures15:27
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matelAh, that's an empty list15:28
matelosci-view failures --with-fail "tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard"15:28
BobBallAwayI usually just use a much smaller search string15:29
matelWe want to look at the logs of the top offenders.15:29
BobBallAwayand if it's empty make sure you're also using --recent if you were for the original list you're looking at15:29
matelosci-view failures --with-fail "test_reboot_suspended_server_hard"15:29
matelOkay,anyhow, take it offline.15:29
johnthetubaguyI guess we are done for today?15:30
matelyes, we are.15:30
johnthetubaguymatel: BobBallAway: thanks both15:30
BobBallAwayI don't see any failures for that one?15:30
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matelBobBallAway: it seems that the query returns a very different result now.15:32
BobBallAway... strange.15:32
BobBallAwayVery odd15:32
BobBallAwayLet's talk when I'm back in the office!15:32
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irina_povhi to all!15:56
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irina_povhi to all16:00
thingeeAgenda items for today
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thingee#topic thirdparty voting permissions16:01
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thingeepatrickeast: you're up16:01
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patrickeastok, so I wanted to discuss how we decide when to give voting permissions for CI’s and the process to do so16:01
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patrickeastthe instructions for this on the wiki are pretty vague16:01
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patrickeastand i suspect i’m not the only one who will be wanted to do this16:02
jgriffithpatrickeast: actually I have no intention of doing it myself :)16:02
thingeepatrickeast: can you provide the link to the wiki page in question that's confusing?16:02
jgriffithpatrickeast: I see it as just noise16:02
bswartzthis sounds like question for infra...16:02
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jungleboyjjgriffith: I was also under the impression we wouldn't be doing that.16:03
jgriffithbswartz: +116:03
patrickeastjgriffith: yea i was wondering about that16:03
smcginnisjgriffith: Does voting add value?16:03
DuncanT-bswartz: Infra asked us to come up witha n approvals process16:03
thingeebswartz: +116:03
patrickeastbswartz: yep, but infra bounces me to cinder saying they wont do anything unless cinder core wants it16:03
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jgriffithpatrickeast: DuncanT- :)16:03
patrickeastthingee: one sec, pulling up the page16:03
DuncanT-voting makes automated results extraction easier16:03
jgriffiththat makes sense16:03
xyang1jungleboyj: I thought so too16:03
bswartzIMO, step 1: get your system running consistently, step 2: have it comment on every patchset, step 3: ask for voting power16:03
clarkbinfra isn't around to police individual projects16:03
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clarkbwe just want to know when to make those changes16:03
jgriffithpatrickeast: DuncanT- thingee how about an "incubation" period16:04
jgriffithif we in fact want to do it that is16:04
jgriffithso the idea would be something like stats over 1 month16:04
thingeeclarkb: +1 we should not expect infra to16:04
smcginnisjgriffith: +116:04
jgriffithmeet a certain criteria and then you can go voting if you like16:04
DuncanT-Basically infra want us to have some sort of process for approving them, they won''t approve obviously wrong accounts (no logs, always fails, etc) but said we need to be the decider16:04
jgriffithcriteria being: % of succesful runs16:04
bswartzwell there are 2 questions here -- what are the technical requirements to get the CI system able to vote -- and what are the administrative requirements for the cinder team to allow a CI system to vote16:04
jgriffithbswartz: I think for now there's just one question16:05
jgriffiththat being: what's the criteria16:05
thingee#idea infra should not expect to police every project16:05
smcginnisCriteria 0: is voting necessary, desired?16:05
DuncanT-jgriffith: Extracting the % success is hard if they aren't voting16:05
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jgriffithDuncanT-: maybe I'm confused on what people refer to as voting16:05
DuncanT-jgriffith: Putting a score as well as a comment == voting16:06
bswartzDuncanT-: they can "comment" +1 or -1 but it can be a non-voting +1 or -116:06
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patrickeastthingee: sry for the delay, the instructions that i mentioned are here it basically just says email the openstack-dev list and fix any feedback16:06
xyang1I think voting means a -1 will block a patch16:06
* DuncanT- is now confused16:06
thingeeI agree with xyang1. non-voting means not voting.16:07
bswartzthe term "voting" doesn't seem to have a clear definiton16:07
jgriffithDuncanT-: so my point was you gather stats based on comments16:07
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eharneyxyang1: V-1 doesn't block the patch16:07
jgriffithDuncanT-: measure percentage of commits you voted on16:07
bswartzI think scoring is a better term16:07
DuncanT-jgriffith: That is hard to do16:07
jgriffithDuncanT-: how many passed and how many failed16:07
DuncanT-jgriffith: I spent... several minutes on it, and couldn't do it with gerrit queries16:08
xyang1eharney: are you sure?  a -1 from pylint will block the patch.  is this different?16:08
jgriffitheharney: correct16:08
jgriffithonly -216:08
jungleboyjxyang1: There are the ones that also have (non-voting) listed though.16:08
DuncanT-xyang1: Jenkins has extra magic flags16:08
eharneyxyang1: it only blocks because it turns into a V-2 later (or is never put in the gate queue)16:08
eharneyxyang1: V-1 from things other than Jenkins is just advisory16:08
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xyang1that's true, but usually a patch won't be approved with -116:09
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glenngxyang1: +116:10
patrickeastso if that is the case, is it useful for driver CI’s to be voting?16:10
DuncanT-xyang1: I ignore -1 from CIs quite often, particularly the CIs that -1 for no good reason16:10
hemnadon't most folks ignore -1's from CI ?16:10
smcginnispatrickeast: +116:10
xyang1DuncanT-: that's good to know16:10
* DuncanT- things it is useful for them to vote, since it is easy to do queries for how reliable the CI system is then16:10
jungleboyjDuncanT-: +116:10
thingeethe only people today that have really cared about the thirdparty ci's are infra and the people running the ci.16:10
thingeeif it16:10
thingees going to meaningful, I think it needs to be able to vote16:10
DuncanT-Vote make searching /much/ easier, which is the first step in monitoring them, and therefore getting people to fix them16:11
bswartz-1 should only be ignored if that CI has a history of inconsistent results16:11
smcginnisIf it makes it easier to query and extract info as DuncanT- says then I see value in the voting.16:11
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bswartza good CI system returning a -1 shouldn't be ignored -- that's the whole point of having CI16:12
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jgriffithbswartz: are you currently reviewing patches and checking results of all the 3'rd party CI systems?16:12
DuncanT-bswartz: Getting to the point where CI is mostly good is only just starting to happen16:12
thingeedoes anyone have any disagreement with third party ci's having voting rights?16:12
DuncanT-bswartz: In principle, you're absolutely correct16:12
* jgriffith sees this as another case of run before you walk16:12
hemnawe need more stability from CI to make folks really take a look at -1s I think16:12
bswartznot many patches, but I always look at the CI results16:12
thingeehemna: I agree.16:13
jgriffithbswartz: and what's your finding?16:13
jgriffithbswartz: what's the number one failure reason for HP tests for example?16:13
jungleboyjhemna: I totally agree.16:13
jgriffithbswartz: since you look at them and all16:13
bswartzmy observation has been that they're flaky16:13
thingeewhere I'm getting it at though to move forward, is anyone just completely against ci's having voting rights, even if we all agreed on a requirement to be met to prove stability?16:13
patrickeastso with the goal of having reliable CI’s who’s -1 votes actually mean something, should we gate letting a CI vote until it has a certain level a credibility?16:13
jgriffithbswartz: ha!  Well that's a good catch all16:13
bswartzbut when they're not flaky I take them more seriously16:13
smcginnispatrickeast: +116:13
jgriffiththingee: I would probably be "ok" once we have criteria defined and it's proven16:14
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* DuncanT- intends to start chasing CI owners who disagree with jenkins frequently for no good reason16:14
jgriffiththingee: although honestly I'm not sure I see the added value16:14
jungleboyjthingee: I don't think I have a problem with that .  Agree with jgriffith16:14
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DuncanT-But I can only do that for CIs that vote16:14
jgriffithcomment works the same way IMO16:14
DuncanT-jgriffith: Literally the only difference is it is easier to search with votes than comments16:14
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jgriffithI don't think we need to make all of this some sort of a witch hunt16:15
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hemnathe CI system itself hasn't been stable, let alone the running of the tests against real backends.16:15
jgriffiththe idea was just to make the code better16:15
jgriffithand make sure we test our driers16:15
jgriffithdrivers even16:15
hemnaso I think we just need more time and help get the CI system stable, and then the backends will become stable with time.16:15
DuncanT-jgriffith: Not witch hunt, just a gentle poking and an invitation to make the issues into bugs where necessary16:15
jungleboyjhemna: +116:15
smcginnisSo kilo just require CI's to comment, L enforce stability to have confidence in voting?16:16
jgriffithDuncanT-: fair enough.. but my contention is that if I have a system I'm monitoring it16:16
thingeejgriffith: +116:16
thingeehemna: +116:16
jgriffithand I should have enough self interest to file a defect if need be16:16
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jgriffithor fix it etc16:16
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jgriffithI don't need a police-man watching my system16:16
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thingeeOk, this is a good start. I would like to capture our thoughts here.16:16
DuncanT-jgriffith: If you're monitoring it then hopefully you'll fix it before I notice, or respond to the poke with 'working on it', either of which is great16:16
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jgriffithUnless we want to use it as criteria to kick me out :)16:17
jgriffithDuncanT-: understood.... agreed16:17
DuncanT-jgriffith: Kick you out? Nah. Kick you? Maybe ;-)16:17
jgriffithDuncanT-: :)16:17
hemnawe monitor ours pretty closely and have found issues that we've had to fix.16:17
jgriffithBetter have long legs :)16:17
hemnaand also deal with the CI mechanism itself as well.16:17
thingeepatrickeast: I don't think we're going to have an answer yet. I would like to get further answers from some people on certain points. do you mind if I capture the thoughts here and revisit it next week?16:17
jgriffiththingee: sorry... we're digressing; you wanted to capture thoughts16:18
hemnaI think we just need to relax a bit and churn on it and help stabilize CI itself.16:18
patrickeastthingee: sounds good to me16:18
thingeeI will also give people time to comment on the points16:18
thingeethanks everyone16:18
jungleboyjDuncanT-: He he.  Wasn't going to go there.16:18
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thingee#action thingee will capture thoughts so things can be revisited next meeting16:18
* DuncanT- suggests giving voting rights early and easily for now, makes monitoring easier16:19
thingee#topic Introduce a nice way of accessing up-to-date information on Cinder drivers16:19
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thingeeirina_pov: you're up16:19
irina_povHi guys! so, I've got an idea for those who maintain drivers16:19
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SwansonIs it providing documentation?16:20
navneetirina_pov: is it about versioning  scheme...16:20
irina_povNo, I'm speaking about driverlog and openstack marketplace16:20
DuncanT-irina_pov: What are you trying to achieve?16:20
irina_povinformation on drivers is kept in a json file, so it's easy to update it when necessary16:21
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DuncanT-irina_pov: What information?16:21
mkodereririna_pov: do you have some examples?16:21
irina_povon drivers and on maintainers16:21
navneetirina_pov: not getting you16:21
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thingeeirina_pov: this is a bit vague. do you have code, or wiki page to provide us more information?16:21
mkodererbtw hello everybody ;)16:21
thingeemkoderer: hey :)16:21
irina_povfor instance, there's some information on driver, but it's out-of-date16:21
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irina_povso, none can contact the maintainer16:22
irina_povthat's the point16:22
navneetirina_pov: vendor driver ---mapped to---> maintainer16:22
DuncanT-irina_pov: So there's a proposed maintainers file in the cinder git tree16:22
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winston-dIIRC, jaypipes mentioned similar idea once on ML16:22
jgriffithsorry... meant this:
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jgriffithirina_pov: that's what you're referring to correct?16:23
smcginnisDuncanT-: Any progress on having something automatically extract driver maintainers?16:23
irina_povI want maintainers to update the information16:23
jgriffithirina_pov: I have issues with this whole concept FWIW16:23
kmartinsame info as #link
jgriffithIMO rather than voting in CI we should be automating publishing to this16:23
hemnaare you referring to the info that renders that page ?16:23
navneetseems like support matrix16:23
DuncanT-smcginnis: That turns out to be infeasible - I might be able to do something where you can't submit a driver withotu a maintainer though16:23
smcginnisDuncanT-: +116:24
thingeeDuncanT-'s review for maintainers file ^16:24
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DuncanT-irina_pov: As far as feature matrix, that should be automatically extractable once we do the ABC change that we just approved a spec for16:24
clarkbDuncanT-: thingee: I think anteaya would like to see that info on the wiki16:25
clarkbso that it doesn't have to go through code review to be updated16:25
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DuncanT-wikis are terrible for such info, they either get forgotten or somebody claims maintainership off somebody else and caused a fight16:25
irina_povthe idea is just to put changes into the json file...without wikis and emails16:26
e0neDuncanT-: agree16:26
clarkbDuncanT-: your code base is no better...16:26
DuncanT-We've dozens of out of date wiki pages already16:26
thingeeDuncanT-: that's fair, but I think it's also fair that our dev docs in the repo got forgotten16:26
clarkbexcept the barrier to updating a file in a repo is much higher16:26
irina_povmarketplace and driverlog are set up from the same json16:26
navneetDuncanT-: why not have a cinder standard driver versioning scheme for support matrix?16:26
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jgriffithirina_pov: FWIW I have no problem with updating that as you suggest16:27
DuncanT-navneet: Because it is a bitmask, not a progressive scheme, and ABCs are a much clearer way of expressing that in code16:27
jgriffithirina_pov: my only question is are we infact making driver-log the one version of truth?16:27
jgriffithirina_pov: I wasn't aware that had been decided, but if it has fair enough16:27
irina_povdriverlog and marketplace are the same16:27
irina_povthe same sources of information16:27
irina_povnot the single ones16:28
navneetDuncanT-: how do you expect customer to get the info by running an api and not referring a wiki or similar?16:28
jgriffithirina_pov: well that's part of the problem IMO16:28
xyang1irina_pov: I thought there was a spreedsheet for market place, not exactly the same as driverlog16:28
jgriffithneed to have a single source of truth16:28
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DuncanT-navneet: We can generate a page automatically from the code16:28
irina_povas I know, both are made up from the same file16:28
mkoderernavneet: if you have it in the code you could extract it16:28
DuncanT-navneet: Manually updated wiki pages suck16:28
navneetDuncanT-: agree16:28
irina_povmarketplace just has no info on maintainers16:29
DuncanT-We could extract most of the info that driverlog wants from the code actually16:29
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irina_povso, my idea is to update the json when necessary16:29
navneetDuncanT-: mkoderer do we have the code in place to extract such an info?16:29
DuncanT-navneet: Not yet16:29
mkoderernavneet: not yet16:29
anteayaclarkb is right, this information needs to be on this page:
mkodererbut we can do that after ABC bp is done16:29
anteayaif you also want to have it in your repo, that is up to you16:29
navneetDuncanT-: alright...we need to get one then16:29
navneetirina_pov: is this what you are doing...having the extraction mechanism in place16:30
irina_povfor now, if I want to get up-to-date info, I have to write to a maintainer16:30
thingeeDuncanT-: I feel like this is something we need to coordinate with the rest of the projects. Since infra is already working with different projects, we should probably continuing working with them.16:30
jungleboyjthingee: Good point.16:31
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navneetthingee: +116:31
thingeei just don't want 3 projects having their source of truth here, and another four doing this, etc16:31
anteayait is in accordance with the requirements:
anteayaunder publish contact information for maintainers16:31
DuncanT-thingee: having a bot push update reviews into driverlog seems reasonable.... looks like it is well structured enough to be able to do so16:31
irina_povwell, driverlog is quite Ok for posting an update as you can see the result quickly16:32
thingeeDuncanT-: overall though, I think we should all recognize the work you have originally driven with the gathering the maintainers info16:32
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DuncanT-thingee: I think having truth outside the cider tree will bitrot fast. No problem publishing the info via wiki/driverlog/etc though16:33
* jungleboyj needs to switch to lurker mode.16:33
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thingeeok so I'm hearing drivelog and the infra wants wiki16:33
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DuncanT-thingee: Manually maintained wiki pages are always going to suck, and in some cases we might be better suggesting better approaches to infra16:34
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thingeeThen I think irina_pov should be working with infra on this.16:34
thingeeto improve that system16:34
DuncanT-thingee: +116:34
irina_povthingee, I'll take it up16:35
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DuncanT-irina_pov's json looks well structured, so doing programatic things with it looks eminently doable16:35
thingeeanteaya: is that fair? not needing a yes right now from infra, but a proposal?16:35
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anteayawe always welcome proposals16:36
anteayaand welcome help from anyone in the third party space16:36
irina_povI've updated wiki on driverlog on how to update information, so it became even simplier to understand16:36
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thingeeirina_pov: infra is already slammed as we all know, so this will be a bit of work for driverlog16:36
anteayabut be aware that any system not in compliance with the thrid party requirements can be turned off until they comply16:36
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anteayaand any member of infra can and may do so16:36
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anteayaso heads up if you choose not to recommend compliance16:37
anteayawhile the proposal is being presented and considered16:37
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thingee#agreed irina_pov will propose driver log to infra team16:37
anteayaand irina_pov you are welcome to attend third party meetings16:37
anteayaas well as infra meetings16:37
irina_povthank you, guys! I'll talk to infra16:37
thingee#topic Oslo Project Liaison for Kilo Release16:37
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thingeeirina_pov: thank you16:37
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thingeedhellmann sent a post to the ML about this
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thingeefirst I would like to recognize DuncanT- for helping with juno release16:38
DuncanT-Actually I was pretty poor at it, but never mind16:39
thingeethe signup for Kilo is available at
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winston-dthingee, DuncanT- what is the responsibility of Olso Liaison?16:39
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DuncanT-winston-d: Basically working with the oslo team to get graduated oslo projects into cinder16:40
thingeewinston-d: the wiki sign up page I just gave should have it16:40
DuncanT-winston-d: And generally keeping track of cinder <-> oslo interactions16:40
mkodererwinston-d: and it's a good idea to attend to their meetings, too16:40
thingeeideally someone core should step up to this, but I would not be opposed to someone that is not part of core16:41
navneetany pre requisite to sign up as liason?16:41
thingee(there is a ML discussion on this particular topic)16:41
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thingeeso just putting that out there.16:42
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winston-dwhen is Olso's weekly meeting?16:42
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winston-dnvmind, find it16:43
e0neDuncanT-: what kind of tracking? some projects (e.g. oslo.db) could be partically integrated16:43
thingeewinston-d: 1600utc16:43
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thingeeit would be great if someone can step up to this by friday.16:43
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DuncanT-e0ne: It is about knowing exactly that kind of detail ;-) There's no formal tracking at the moment, but when a new graduation comes up, knowing if it is in use or if we should use it16:44
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thingee#topic cinder stabilization16:44
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e0nethingee: i could do it for a part of oslo.db. i started wortking on migrating migrratins tests today16:44
thingeewho put this up?16:44
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hemnathat was me16:45
hemnamy bad16:45
thingeehemna: you're up :)16:45
hemnawe hadn't gone through that list yet16:45
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hemnaso I was wondering if that list is still worth keeping and looking at?   Are folks picking up any of those16:46
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smcginnisReview link doesn't work for me.16:46
hemnaare folks creating cinder-specs associated with them?16:46
* DuncanT- is still bashing away at state machines. They definitely don't align well with the current taskflow tasks is my only feedback so far16:47
e0nehemna: i'm working on some items from list:)16:47
hemnawe had talked at the mid summit meetup at the possibility of making Kilo a stabilization release.16:47
thingeehemna: I'm still getting a bit organized with things. I think I will have a better picture of things next week16:47
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hemnaI guess if folks are actively working on any one of those items, to put your name next to it and/or put a link to the cinder-specs url ?16:48
thingeebut I do encourage people to look at that list and step up to something of interest that you can see through the end of the release.16:48
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xyang1hemna: there are  a couple of patches already up for the state management16:48
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hemnaI know we have a cinder-spec for the ABC stuff16:48
mkodererhemna: should we put links to the blueprints in that etherpad?16:48
thingeexyang1: that's true.16:48
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e0nemkoderer: yes16:48
mkodererI'll do that for ABC16:48
e0nemkoderer: or links to the review requests16:49
hemnamkoderer, coolio thanks16:49
thingeeSo I don't want to get into state machine stuff here. But I will say that I have one proposal coming to me that's complete. That does not mean it's going to be it, but it's something more complete than anything else I've gotten16:49
hemnathingee, awesome.16:49
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hemnaI would love to see that get in for K16:49
thingeeif anyone opposes the patches up for state machine starter stuff with taskflow, please provide feed back16:49
thingee#action thingee will have a better idea next week of who is working on what and what we still need help with16:50
thingee#topic Kilo release specs16:50
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thingeethis gerrit link should only show the specs that pass jenkins and haven't been reviewed by you16:51
thingeeuse it please and provide the rest of the community with your feedback16:51
hemnaCode Review - Error16:51
thingeehemna: are you logged in?16:51
smcginnishemna: I get that in chrome but not ff16:51
DuncanT-thingee: That shows me things I've already +2d16:51
thingeeoh yeah, so that link will error if you're not logged in16:51
thingeeotherwise it doesn't know who self is16:52
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thingeeDuncanT-: oh heh, I'll improve it and send it to the room16:52
thingeeroom being #openstack-cinder16:52
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DuncanT-thingee: Cheers. I still suck at bending gerrit search to my will16:53
thingeebut just encouraging people to discuss the specs that are up now. We also need to clean up ones that are stale.16:53
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hemnaok sounds good.  I'll take a pass at em.16:53
thingeeI'll be doing a great deal myself this week, so also please get your blueprints up now.16:53
DuncanT-Do we want to auto-expire old specs that don't respond to feedback?16:53
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thingeeI don't think we need to discuss every spec that comes in, but certainly people mention in the comments if you think this too complicated that it should be brought up in the next meeting.16:54
thingeeit would be up to the spec author to propose the agenda item and be there16:54
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thingee#topic anything else?16:55
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glenngNFS Security16:55
e0neit will be good to anounce it in openstack-dev16:55
thingeeglenng: heh ok 4 mins16:56
glenngI am working on Rushi's comments now and wish to know if we can get some focus on
eharneydoes it gracefully handle upgrades now?16:56
glenngIt has been going on sine July 17th.16:56
glenngYES, new option added16:56
eharneyi'll look at it when i get a chance16:57
glenngAm hoping for any other feedback for last set of changes ;-)16:57
glenngWould like to close off on this very important change. Does anyone else have concerns?16:57
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thingee#action community should provide feedback on nfs security enhancement patch16:58
glenngThanks everyone!16:58
thingeethanks glenng16:58
thingee2 more mins anything else?16:58
glenng*feels better now*16:58
cknightthingee: quick question: fibrechannel drivers are coming for NetApp arrays.  Is there a hard requirement to have CI in place to submit new derivative drivers?16:58
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thingeeI'm going to be working with DuncanT- on this since he has a strong opinion with this and anyone else that wants to be part of it.16:59
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thingeemy initial thoughts though, we can force people, but things aren't going to be successful unless we have the tools for people to be able to do it16:59
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cknightthingee: OK, thanks.  I'm glad to participate in that conversation.17:00
thingeethat's all!17:00
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thingeethanks everyone17:00
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bswartzperfect timing!17:00
tjones#startmeeting vmwareapi17:00
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tjoneshi folks17:00
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tjoneslets get started17:01
tjones#topic BP for kilo17:01
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tjoneswe have a number of abandoned BP here17:02
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tjonesif you want to resurect - it's probably a good time to do so17:02
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tjoneshere's our current list for kilo BP -
tjoneswe don't have garyk here (yet) some are here17:04
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tjonestfldid you have a chance to sync with arnaud on your image optimization bp?17:04
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tjonessorry that was tflower17:05
tjonesnot sure how that happened...17:06
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tflowertjones, actually we're just talking17:06
tflowerHopefully I can make a bit of a start next week17:06
tjonesi'd like for the BP we are proposing to be in decent shape *before* the summit this time17:07
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tflowerI'll do my best17:07
tjonesi.e. written, reviewed by us, and socialized on the ML.  Im hoping this will help us17:07
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arnaud+1 tjones17:07
rgerganovI will propose two blueprints related to VM consoles17:08
tflowertjones, does that include code or just the blueprint + specs? (just trying to figure out the process)17:08
tjonesrgerganov: can you add them to the etherpad?17:08
tjonestflower: BP in nova-specs.  code if you have it, but not necessary17:08
tflowerok, thanks17:08
rgerganovtjones: I will17:09
tjonescurrently this is our only proposed spec -,n,z17:09
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tjoneswe don't have a ton of time - so by next week if we just had a skelton of BP we are working on up on nova specs then we see how to prioritize the list17:10
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tjonesdoes that sound reasonable?17:10
tflowersounds good to me17:11
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tjonesok anything anyone want to discuss on kilo?17:11
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tjonesok lets move on then17:12
johnthetubaguyhey, maybe I could reach out about specs?17:12
tjonesok sure - go ahead johnthetubaguy17:13
johnthetubaguywe had some stuff that was a near miss in juno17:13
johnthetubaguyhappy to help try and express that into kilo-117:13
johnthetubaguyso reach out to on IRC, and lets do this thing17:13
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johnthetubaguyI am doing the same for the hyper-v folks17:13
tjonesok thanks a lot - that would be awesome.  I think there are just 4 but i'll check17:14
johnthetubaguyyou have both had a rough time of it, so trying to make sure I can get you through any red tape as fast as possible!17:14
tjoneswe areally appreciate this!17:14
tjonesand really too17:14
johnthetubaguycertainly want the already written code to get up for review and through all the policy stuff ASAP17:14
tjonesi'll reach out to the BP owners of those and let them know17:14
johnthetubaguycool, thanks17:14
johnthetubaguyI will run off now, I just happen to see specs mentioned, and wanted to reach out to you folks17:15
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tjonesthanks see ya17:15
tjonesanything else on BP guys before we do bugs?17:15
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tjones#topic bugs17:16
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tjoneswe have a bunch17:16
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tjonesanything we think is going to hit a customer putting openstack in production should be assigned to someone actively working on it.17:17
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tjoneswe are actually in decent shape - except for a couple17:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1255317 in nova "VMware: can't boot from sparse image copied to volume " [High,Triaged]17:18
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1325789 in nova "VMware: should not take the first host found in the cluster to perform iSCSI related operations" [High,Confirmed]17:18
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tjonesand this one is critical and needs reviews #link
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1345460 in nova "VMware: resize fails when there is more than one compute node" [Critical,In progress]17:18
tjonesthis one also needs reviews #link
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226543 in nova "VMware: attaching a volume to the VM failed" [High,In progress]17:19
tjonesactually - a bunch need review17:19
tjoneslooking at this link -  but vmware in the search box and select ready for review17:19
rgerganovI don't like the patch proposed for bug 122654317:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226543 in nova "VMware: attaching a volume to the VM failed" [High,In progress]
tjonesif you guys can spare some cycles on reviewing the high it would be good17:20
brownei'll try to help out with some reviews17:20
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tjonesthangp: is here - rado can you explain your concern?17:20
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rgerganovtjones: sure17:20
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rgerganovmy thinking is that we should allow attaching scsci volumes to instances having root disks on ide controller17:21
thangpso danpb commented on it17:21
thangpit's a compromise17:21
thangpwe have to look at disk_bus for the volume17:22
thangpif it is = scsi, then we add the controller17:22
thangpotherwise throw an error17:22
rgerganovoh, I haven't seen the comment from danpb17:22
thangpi'm going to work on a patch for that later today17:22
rgerganovthangp: thanks, this is great17:22
tjonesany other bugs needing discussion?17:22
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tjones#topic open discussion17:24
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tjonesif nothing we can end early17:24
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tjonesi just want to reiterate - please post your BP in nova-specs by next meeting.  Not necessary to have everything complete - at least a skeleton.  That way we as a team can review and decide on our priorities for kilo.  we know not everything gets in - so we should have decide what is critical for us and focus there.17:26
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tjonesany comments on that?17:26
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tjones*thinking we will end early*17:27
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brownedo we have an etherpad of possible nova-specs17:27
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brownetjones: thx17:27
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rgerganovtjones: do we need to file both blueprints *and* specs by the next meeting or only blueprints?17:28
tjonesthey need to end up here,n,z17:28
tjonesBP is in the spec - right?17:28
rgerganovI thought that we need both17:28
tjonesnot that i am aware of - the process changed in juno - just post your spec in nova-specs.  that is the BP17:29
tjonesanyone disagree with that??17:29
tjonesnow i am confused too17:29
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arnaudno tha'ts correct17:30
tjonesok - so JUST specs for next week17:30
rgerganovok :)17:30
tjonesok lets end early then17:31
tjonesthanks folks17:31
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tflowerthanks, bye17:31
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notmynamehello. time for a (late) swift team meeting19:30
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notmyname#startmeeting swift19:30
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notmynamehello, who's here froe the swift team meeting?19:30
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notmynamethanks for coming :-)19:31
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notmynamethanks for letting us start late. we had a company all-hands that overlapped19:32
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notmynamehmm..looks like I forgot to add the hackathon review to the agenda. we'll talk about that too19:32
notmynameok, first up..juno release19:32
notmyname#topic swift 2.2.0 (juno integrated release)19:32
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notmynamethansk for helping get patches written, reviewed, and merged19:33
notmynamethe RC-1 for swift 2.2.0 was cut early this week19:33
notmynameunless something else comes up, that will be the final release for 2.2.0 and what is included in the juno integrated release19:33
notmynamejuno is scheduled to be cut on the 16th (one week from tomorrow)19:34
notmynameso....although I'm pretty confident about the state of it, please continue to look at ti, do QA, and (quickly!) report any showstoppers you find19:34
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zaitcevis there a summary of highlights for Juno? A PM asked me and I said "umm... Keystone v3"19:35
notmynamezaitcev: there ^^19:35
notmynamejuno includes swift 2.0 - 2.219:35
notmynamezaitcev: storage policies are kinda big ;-)19:35
notmynamehere were my notes for a phone call I had with the foundation about that very question (what's new/big in juno for swift):
notmynamezaitcev: ^^19:36
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notmynameany questions about either the juno release or specifically about swift 2.2.0?19:37
ppaizaitcev, ;)19:37
notmynameppai: cool! I didn't know you could link ranges in github :-)19:37
notmynameok, moving on then to summary of the hackathon19:38
notmyname#topic hackathon followup19:38
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notmynamefirst, again I'd like to thank tdasilva (and lpabon) for helping organize it19:38
peluseheck yeah, thanks guys!19:39
notmynameI thought it was a great week. very productive and, as always, great to see people in person19:39
lpabonaah, it's all tdasilva :-)19:39
tdasilvathanks to everyone for coming19:39
tdasilvait was great19:39
notmynamealso, I thought westford was very nice19:39
ppaiI did learn a lot19:39
zaitcevI think we were more productive this time around, although perhaps it was merely me. In Colorado the SP were dominating and I didn't do much to advance and conclude that work, just poked here and there.19:39
acolesyeah, thanks hosts - great job!19:39
notmynamezaitcev: I agree. I thought this was the most productive one we've had so far19:39
* tdasilva is looking forward to Hawaii19:40
peluseoh geeze19:40
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acolestdasilva: you just let the secret out :)19:40
notmynameI haven't yet had a chance to write up a blog post about it, be here's my (very rough) notes
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notmynameyeah, I'll be working on the next one sooner than later so that we can have it not as close to the vancouver summit19:41
notmynamewe've got a few people who have already offered to sponsor/host, which is pretty cool19:41
mattoliverauthat would be awesome, I should be able to swing that with work ;)19:41
notmynamemattoliverau: nice!19:42
notmynameanything else to ask or say about the hackathon?19:42
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lpabonhow awesome I am at pool?19:42
cutforthwill final notes be posted somewhere?19:42
zaitcevSomeone was smoking weed in Regency a lot and stunk up the place so much that cops with AR-15 stormed it19:43
cutforthnotes = minutes of hackathon19:43
notmynamezaitcev: clearly MA and not CA or CO ;-)19:43
peluseBTW, I was at the Marriott, wasn't me!19:43
notmynamecutforth: no official minutes. I'll write up my notes (above) in prose and post a blog on it19:43
zaitcevWell, it was when I left for dinner. So it's not like when I was in Portland for Summit where they woke me up 5th Element style19:43
cutforthnotmyname: thanks19:44
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notmynameso again, a great week. thanks to you all19:44
notmyname#topic paris summit19:45
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notmyname...and in a month we'll all* be together again19:45
notmynameso for Paris, we have 6 scheduled time slots and then a half-day freeform19:45
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notmynamethis is less assigned slots, but more aggregate time than we had in atlanta19:46
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notmynamehere's how scheduling topics for those time slots will work19:46
notmynameI've started an etherpad where we need to collect the topic ideas19:46
peluseis anyone going that can lead a topic on the single process work to date/status/next steps?19:46
notmynameadd your topics there, with a description19:47
notmynameand (peluse) you can add topics even if you aren't going to be in paris19:47
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notmynameif you do add something but you aren't going to be there, please make a note of that19:47
notmynameand overall, when you add something, please add your name too19:47
pelusewell, I'll be there but am not wanting to lead that discussion but will participate if tdasilva or someone will be there19:47
tdasilvayeah, i'll be there19:48
tdasilvai believe Ignacio is also going19:48
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tdasilvai'll add a note19:48
notmynamefrom the list of topics that is collected, we'll prioritize and schedule the 6 time slots. the rest will be discussed either during the half-day or free-form at a table19:48
lpaboni'll most likely will be there also.19:48
notmynametdasilva: great, thanks!19:48
notmynameI think that's a great topic19:48
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notmynameacoles: I added an entry for service tokens, but I don't know if donnagh will be there19:49
acolesi think not but i will and can pull in guys form glance, cinder if appropriate19:50
acolesor is that cross-project?19:50
notmynameacoles: could be either19:50
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notmynameso consider the etherpad document a place to brainstorm. we can condense it down later19:50
notmynameany other questions about paris?19:51
notmynameoh, this is important: the half-day swift stuff is on friday, so don't fly out too soon19:51
notmynamecross project stuff on wednesday, swift sessions on thursday, swift "meetup" on friday19:51
notmynamethe currenst schedule is available online19:52
notmyname#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org19:52
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notmynameanything else?19:52
notmynameok, quickly moving on in the interest of time...19:53
notmyname#topic EC status19:53
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peluseTrello is up to date...19:53
peluseBig topic at hackathon was around the reconstructor.  WIP to update the design spec, ETA 1-2 days.19:53
peluseI think the main patch for review now is from torgomatic19:53
pelusetsg will need it and some of the reconstructor work will need tsg's patches19:53
peluse...also can be reviewed anytime19:53
notmynamepeluse: lol19:53
notmynamethanks :-)19:53
peluseheh, typed that in advance :)19:53
notmynamepeluse: can you add those 2 patches to the priority reviews page under the EC section?19:54
torgomaticpeluse: yeah, that one could use some feedback, keeping in mind that it's really more about groundwork for EC than it is for that particular etag-missing case19:54
torgomaticbecause dfg's right; that's way too much work for just that one little edge case19:54
pelusetorgomatic, I'm guilty of not reviewing it myself but will do so today19:54
torgomaticsure, whenever :)19:54
tsgtorgomatic: is the bigger concern md5 or mime?19:54
torgomatictsg: both?19:55
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pelusetsg:  see the comments in the patch from dfg19:55
torgomaticmd5 is extra CPU, but the wacky MIME protocol is a big departure from how Swift's done things before, and it is definitely more complex19:55
tsgpeluse: I did look .. it seemed like dfg was concerned about md519:55
tsgtorgomatic: we can't not do md5 in the cases where we mangle data at proxy19:56
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tsgwould going back to our non-mime approach make it a little less painful?19:56
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notmynametsg: rather than have the design discussion in here (for the next 4 minutes), might be better to bring it to -swift19:57
tsgnotmyname: sure19:57
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notmynamethanks :-)19:57
peluseor in the patch comments19:57
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notmyname#topic other stuff19:57
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notmynameanything else to bring up this week?19:57
notmynamehi dfg19:58
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notmynamethank you all for coming!19:58
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notmynamesee you next week at the normal time19:58
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zanebasalkeld: the chair is yours if you want it :)20:00
NMthank you guys :)20:00
asalkeld#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct  8 20:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'20:00
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asalkeld#topic rollcall20:00
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asalkeldzaneb, help - iti's 6am - where is the agenda20:01
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asalkeldno coffee20:01
stevebakeragenda == coffee20:01
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ryansbstevebaker: that's just item 1.20:02
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asalkeld#topic last weeks actions20:02
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zanebasalkeld: we should probably put discussing meeting times for Kilo on the agenda20:02
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asalkeldok - done20:02
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asalkeldyeah - just found that20:04
asalkeldmoving on20:04
asalkeld#topic new items20:04
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zanebmeeting times for Kilo20:04
asalkeld#topic new items to the agenda20:04
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asalkeldyip - i am agreeing with that!20:04
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asalkeldi'll add one, cross project duties20:05
stevebakershould we spend spare time discussing Paris sessions?20:06
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zanebstevebaker: +120:06
tspatziergood idea, I was wondering when planning starts20:06
zanebit's never too early20:06
zanebsneaks up on you20:06
asalkeldok, let's get into the topics20:07
asalkeld#topic meeting times for kilo20:07
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asalkeldhow are these meeting times working for everyone else?20:07
tspatzierfine for me20:08
stevebakerI don't feel too left out by missing every second one20:08
ryansbfine for me (us-east)20:08
pas-haquite fine for me, although 1-2 hours earlier would not hurt20:08
zanebfine for me ;)20:08
asalkeldi can do both (6am, 10pm for me)20:08
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shardyfine for me20:08
zanebbut the feedback I got 6 months ago is that folks feel really strongly that the PTL needs to be at both20:08
asalkeldmaybe someone else can run the 6am one;)20:08
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stevebaker9am here now, I can do some of them20:09
* pas-ha remembers winter time when it is actually going to be 1 hour earlier20:09
topolget a clone :-)20:09
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asalkeldand send him to europe20:09
stevebakerhow is the attendence at the alt time?20:09
asalkeldlast week it was smaller20:10
zanebwe've trained a few people on how to chair now, so it shouldn't be hard to find someone20:10
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zanebstevebaker: typically it's not great20:10
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pas-hawe should also note that in a 2-3 weeks or so most of the world will shift clocks20:10
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skraynevpas-ha: not everyone :)20:11
asalkeld(the rest of australia has just done that - but not brisbane, cos' we special)20:11
stevebakerskraynev: are you in Russia?20:11
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pas-haso if AU and asalkeld do it too it is going to be 5am for him20:11
skraynevstevebaker: yeah :(20:11
asalkeldbrisbane doesn't have "summer time"20:11
stevebakerskraynev: how are the times for you?20:11
asalkeldcos' the weather is always awesome20:11
pas-haasalkeld, fine for you then :)20:11
asalkeldok, let's leave it until someone has a genius idea20:12
zanebasalkeld: I though it was because daylight savings is a socialist plot?20:12
* asalkeld not genius atm20:12
skraynevstevebaker: I am ok, just this meeting more difficult for me 12 AM - 1 AM, alt meeting is 4 PM (I mean local time)20:12
ryansbnon-genius idea: how about move meeting one hour later, then it'll become one hour earlier in a month or so.20:12
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ryansb(due to daylight savings)20:13
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asalkeldryansb, maybe - but that just makes it easier for pas-ha20:13
stevebakerryansb: the bottom half of the world goes in the other direction20:13
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ryansbhrm. right. Hemispheres.20:14
asalkeldit's fine for now20:14
asalkeld#topic midcycle meetup20:14
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stevebakerryansb: except for Brisbane, because they're "special"20:14
asalkeldwho can talk to that ^20:14
mspreitzSorry I have to miss this week's meeting, got an overriding meeting.  But remain interested in getting settlement on transition period for HARestarter.20:14
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stevebakerspeaking of special Brisbane, Red Hat could likely host a mid-cycle meetup there20:15
asalkeldmspreitz, ok - let's add it to the end20:15
mspreitzsorry, I will be driving20:15
mspreitzI will have to catch up later20:15
mspreitzbut if you guys agree on something great, I will be happy20:15
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asalkeldin brisbane stevebaker?20:15
stevebakerhard for some people to get to, but easy for asalkeld and I20:15
stevebakerasalkeld: yes20:15
asalkeldno one will come but us20:16
zanebbtw kebray_ also offered a rackspace facility of our choice for a mid-cycle20:16
stevebakerjust an idea. If it is combined with tripleo then there are a bunch of au and nz who would attend20:16
topolcome back to Raleigh!20:16
shardystevebaker: +1 on a trip to Brisbane ;)20:16
stevebakerAustin would be good too20:16
zanebyes, Raleigh was an excellent location imho ;)20:16
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* shardy worries about his flight cost20:17
topolzaneb +++20:17
spzalazaneb: +1 :)20:17
zanebshardy: you won't say that after the plan flight. trust me.20:17
asalkeldok, maybe an etherpad with venues bla...20:17
asalkeldanyone want to drive this?20:17
shardyzaneb: Yeah, I've done it before, jet lag was killer20:17
asalkeldhelp with organising20:17
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zanebdo we want to co-locate with tripleo?20:18
shardysunshine and beer made up for it ;)20:18
stevebakershardy, zaneb: ZERO sympathy20:18
asalkeldshardy, we have that here20:18
shardystevebaker: lol ;)20:18
skraynevasalkeld: beer and sunshine?20:18
zanebstevebaker: didn't expect any ;)20:18
asalkeldskraynev, yip20:18
stevebakerprobably no compelling reason to co-locate with tripleo at this point20:19
skraynevso go to Australia :)20:19
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asalkeldadd ideas there ^20:19
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asalkeldi'll send an email to the mailing list too20:19
asalkeldask for venues/ideas20:20
asalkeldi'll move on20:20
asalkeld#topic CrossProjectLiaisons20:20
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asalkeldwe need people to sign up20:21
asalkeldso if you have an interest, sign up pleaes20:21
asalkeldooo, randall has signed up for docs20:21
asalkelddon't know what the question mark is for20:22
stevebakerI can do QA20:22
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asalkeldnot a good docs start20:22
shardyI can do oslo this time, unless therve is keen to continue20:22
asalkeldit's yours20:22
asalkeldawesome, done20:22
asalkeldthat was easy20:22
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asalkeld#topic critical issue sync20:23
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stevebakerare we looking at an rc2?20:23
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zanebstevebaker: yes20:24
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zanebthat's a better link ^20:25
zanebshows the ones that have merged already20:25
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zanebI didn't see anything else urgent, but if anybody has something, shout *now*20:25
asalkeldnot from me20:25
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asalkeldzaneb, all good? move on?20:26
asalkeld#topic Request for python-heatclient project to adopt heat-translator20:26
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stevebakerspzala: yo20:27
asalkeldtspatzier, spzala20:27
spzalastevebaker: :) Hi20:27
asalkeld$topic ^20:27
zanebtechnically only Programs can adopt projects</boring>20:27
spzalaI added this in the agenda. Had a quick chat with zaneb and we thought it's good to discuss it in agenda.20:27
zanebso it would be the Heat program doing the adopting20:27
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zanebyeah, so I heard no strong objections on the ML?20:28
asalkeldi happy for heat to adopt the translator20:28
zanebshardy had some questions, but I believe they're resolved?20:28
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stevebakerI initially thought that heat-translator should have its on CLI tools to do transforms.20:28
asalkeldbut is the client the best place?20:28
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asalkeldstevebaker, +120:28
shardyzaneb: Yeah I think we resolved them on the ML20:28
zanebasalkeld: so at this stage we're just adopting the repo as it is20:29
asalkeldok sounds fine to me20:29
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tspatzierwhat would adopt really mean?20:29
stevebakerI'm happy for the project to adopt heat-translator, but I don't think python-heatclient should take heat-translator as a dependency and be responsable for transformations20:29
shardyI still somewhat thing integrating all-the-things into heatclient is a bit non-unixy, but if that's what folks want then fair enough20:29
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asalkeldi haven't test driven the code at all tho'20:29
zanebasalkeld: where the code fits in the architecture is still a good discussion for the future though20:29
shardymy main concern was the scope not aligning with what heat can do long term etc20:29
asalkeldshardy, for now it's just a part of heat program20:30
spzalaasalkeld: zaneb: agree, we can do a code  walk through somet20:30
spzalaime if that's a good idea20:30
stevebakershardy: my idea was that heat-translator would become an anything->anything transformer, not just tosca->hot20:30
zanebtspatzier: it would mean the project officially comes under the OpenStack (and Heat) umbrella20:30
spzalastevebaker: that's true20:30
asalkeldzaneb, isn't there a checklist you made20:31
spzalastevebaker: I remember that's what we discussed when starting the project20:31
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topolzaneb, I thin its simlar to what identity did with pycadf20:31
stevebakerit would move to the openstack/ git namespace20:31
shardystevebaker: Yeah, that's cool, my question was really what happens if $anything is not in scope for heat20:31
tspatzierzaneb: ok, thanks. but no big move arounds of code etc, right?20:31
zanebasalkeld: that was being discussed in the TC, but events have overtaken it for now20:31
shardye.g non-simple tosca20:31
zanebtopol: yeah20:31
shardythen we have a translation tool owned by us which we can't fully maintain20:31
asalkeldzaneb, ok - but maybe we run through that anyway?20:31
zanebtspatzier: it moves from stackforge/heat-translator to openstack/heat-translator, and that's about it for now20:32
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stevebakershardy: we could consider using stevedore to allow out-of-tree transformations to be integrated with heat-translator20:32
topolshardy, the cores for  heat translation dont go anywhere20:32
tspatziershardy: if $anything would be out of scope for heat, it would be out of scope for heat-translator as well by definition, IMO20:32
shardystevebaker: Sure, making it pluggable makes sense20:32
stevebakerspzala: are there plans for a command line tool?20:32
topolshardy what we did with pycadf is the core for pycadf remained and then all the keystone cores were added to pycadf20:32
spzalastevebaker: yes, that's how I see it for now as a commad line tool20:33
shardytspatzier: Ok, provided the output is destined for heat then sounds good to me20:33
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asalkeldzaneb, what is that thing the tc asks from projcets - what is the core functionality?20:33
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asalkeldwould the translator be a part of that?20:33
asalkeldmy guess is no20:34
tspatziershardy: I think that's the plan for now. Everything else would have to be a layer on-top.20:34
zanebasalkeld: so the TC doesn't currently have a process for evaluating this20:34
zanebimho it's not out of scope20:34
topolasalkeld what dolphm did was add something to a governance doc somehwere20:34
zanebalthough if I ever finish the mission statement it would be easier to agree on that ;)20:34
asalkeldbut you gave someone a list of features that work "core" didn't you?20:34
topolso pycadf was listed as part of the keystone world20:34
topolI think there is a process and dolphm would know it20:35
topoldolphm, THANKS20:35
dolphmtopol: just propose changes to openstack/governance20:35
dolphmvia gerrit20:35
spzalathanks dolphm20:35
zanebi.e. no process ;)20:36
asalkeldwell i don't see any "no don't add it"20:36
asalkeldso spzala just send a patch to that i guess20:36
dolphmthe TC will eventually put it on the agenda for discussion, and might request a mailing list discussion to establish precedence depending on the complexity of the issue20:36
zanebasalkeld: what the TC will look for is agreement from the project20:36
asalkeldok thanks dolphm20:36
zanebwhich is the purpose of this meeting20:36
spzalaasalked: patch for the file dolphm just mentioned  ?20:36
zanebso if we're agreed we should #agree to note it in the minutes20:37
stevebakerspzala: moving projects might still require gerrit downtime, so you'll need to coordinate with #openstack-infra20:37
asalkeldspzala, phew 'what ever is needed'20:37
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asalkeld#agree add the translator to the orch. progam?20:37
spzalastevebaker: sure will do it20:37
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asalkeldcan we see some +/-1's20:38
zanebasalkeld: #agree isn't usually a question ;) you're thinking of #vote20:38
stevebakerasalkeld: it needs to be #agreed20:38
spzalathis is great. THANKS everyone!!!20:38
asalkeld#agreed add the translator to the orch. progam20:38
* asalkeld seeems to be newbie'ish20:38
asalkeldright what's next20:39
asalkelddid i miss anything, or is it open discussion time?20:39
stevebakerI have a PSA20:39
asalkelda what?20:40
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stevebakerpublic service announcement20:40
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zanebstevebaker: TMI... oh20:40
asalkeld#topic speak stevebaker20:40
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stevebakerthe check-heat-dsvm-functional job is now running real tests and passing, but it is still non-voting. So please take note of it if it fails on your change.20:41
asalkeldooo, nice20:41
stevebakerthat is all. Back to your regularly scheduled open discussion20:41
asalkeld#topic open discussion20:41
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zanebwhat does dvsm mean?20:42
shardystevebaker: awesome!20:42
zanebI always wanted to know20:42
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pas-hadevstack machine?20:42
stevebakerzaneb: devstack virtual mumble mumble20:42
shardyPerhaps we can get that voting soon, so we don't just revert every test which finds a bug ;)20:42
zanebshardy: that's crazy talk20:43
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skraynevshardy: may be will be better to have one or two bug days to fiix all these bugs ?:)20:43
ryansbDevstack Virtual Something Mumble20:43
tspatzieranother question: I've seen "-Core-Review" statuses in gerrit recently, i.e. no score or so. What does it mean? Some change in gerrit?20:44
stevebakerah, its dsvm Dev Stack Virtual Machine20:44
asalkeldtspatzier, that's stevebaker removing the -2?20:45
tspatzierah, I meant "-Code-Review"20:45
pas-hatspatzier, I believe it was -Code-Review20:45
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tspatzierpas-ha: :) right20:45
stevebakerreverse ban hammer20:45
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tspatzierso moving from -2 to -1?20:45
stevebakershould be -2 to 020:45
zanebyeah, it does that when you set the vote back to 020:45
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asalkeldalso don't forget to review specs people20:46
asalkeldmike has a bunch that need discussion20:46
tspatzierah, makes sense.20:46
asalkeldimho the ha ones need a summit session20:46
tspatzierasalkeld: +120:46
asalkeldnot convinced about the balancing one either20:46
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zanebweren't summit sessions supposed to be on the agenda for today?20:47
shardyasalkeld: +1, the ImmediateResource one in particular is a puzzling one20:47
stevebakeris this HA of heat or HA of nova servers?20:47
* shardy is still processing that20:47
tspatzierzaneb: yeah, when do we start collecting topics?20:47
stevebakertspatzier: now
asalkeldnote: also be aware of the cross project one20:47
tspatzierstevebaker: thanks20:48
asalkeldthat ^ has an HA (but of services)20:48
stevebakerfor the testing session it would be good to start with tempest, then in-tree integration, then in-tree functional, then unit tests. That way there could be QA folk who can come for the start then leave mid session20:49
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zanebstevebaker: I actually wish python-*clients ran our _unit_ tests in their gates20:50
asalkeld#action please add topics to the summit topic etherpad20:50
asalkeld#action asalkeld send email to ml re: midcycle meetup20:51
stevebakerzaneb: I suggested that and the response was outrage20:51
kebrayhello.. long time since I've been able to join.  just tuning in.20:51
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asalkeldhi kebray20:51
zanebstevebaker: lol. link?20:51
zanebkebray: o/ :)20:51
kebraystill open topics?20:52
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kebraycool.. so, fyi, we've finally moved off our proprietary orchestration system.. moved all our customers to Heat now.20:52
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asalkeldwell done kebray20:53
kebrayeh, it wasn't me.. but thank you to the team.20:53
kebrayyou all helped too :-)20:53
zanebwow, that's exciting, congrats y'all!20:53
asalkeldkebray, feedback would be great too20:53
asalkeldoperations sticking points etc...20:53
kebrayI think it's a big win for OpenStack heat.  Yeah. will definitely have some feedback.  Unfortunately I didn't get a talk in to the summit this time.20:53
zanebkebray: maybe we can get that into the operator (or design) summit?20:54
zanebthe talk you did last time was really useful20:54
kebraythx zaneb ... yeah, I need to refresh it.20:54
stevebakerkebray: yay! fyi there is finally action on a chef software-config hook. Now would be a good time to get involved if you're still considering migrating your ChefSolo resources to it20:54
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kebrayk.. makes since stevebaker.  My staff has thinned out a bit :-(  working to build it back up.20:55
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stevebakerkebray: ok, we're getting closer to everything working on keystone v2 too, by using swift TempURLs20:56
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stevebakersounds like we're out of puff20:58
asalkeldi am20:58
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asalkeldi'll put us out of our misery20:59
zanebnap time ;)20:59
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asalkeldthanks all20:59
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