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| blogan | at least according ot the graduation requirements from the incubator which I believe is the same as a feature brnach | 14:18 |
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| xgerman | well, we don't want a competitor to Octavia | 14:18 |
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| dougwig | i think i'm hearing consensus that we'll need the agent driver for K. | 14:18 |
| ptoohill | We do want to get v2 into K though? | 14:18 |
| johnsom | I hope that we get to v1 style scaling quickly after .5 | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | If we can. | 14:19 |
| xgerman | what happens if we don't graduate from the feature branch? | 14:19 |
| ptoohill | We have to wait till L | 14:19 |
| TrevorV_ | ptoohill: I think that's an optimistic view of progress here. | 14:19 |
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| blogan | well first I think we need to get clear graduation requirements from the driver team | 14:19 |
| ptoohill | :/ | 14:19 |
| xgerman | so we should focus on OIctavia | 14:19 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: then we take a long hard look at why, and whether that means spinout time. | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 14:19 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:20 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 14:20:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:20 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:20 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:20 |
| dougwig | standby, folks | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 14:20 |
| dougwig | agenda | 14:20 |
| dougwig | #link #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Meeting_23.10.2014 | 14:20 |
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| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 14:20 |
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| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 14:20 |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123468/ | 14:20 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics-distilled | 14:20 |
| dougwig | #topic lbaas ref driver - add agent, or octavia? | 14:20 |
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| ptoohill | Fair enough if thats the case, I wont abandon it yet but will focus on Octavia till we have clear path forward regarding the ref impl. | 14:20 |
| dougwig | ok, go | 14:20 |
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| dougwig | i don't think this decision changes our focus; most of us should still be working on octavia. | 14:21 |
| TrevorV_ | agreed dougshelley66 | 14:22 |
| blogan | if we can get v2 into K by updating the agent and current ref impl, is it worth it to do it then? | 14:22 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig: * | 14:22 |
| ptoohill | Well yea, but there is some changes that would need to be done to get the 'current' ref impl updated and could knock those out early as possible if we were going that route. | 14:22 |
| ptoohill | Just wanted to clarify things is all | 14:22 |
| dougwig | my sense is that it's not a huge amount of work to get it back with an agent. am i wrong on that? | 14:23 |
| blogan | not huge, but still a decent amount | 14:23 |
| ptoohill | also waiting on the barbican interface/workflow to be 'finalized' | 14:23 |
| blogan | another question | 14:24 |
| blogan | will the octavia driver use the agent? | 14:24 |
| dougwig | will its rest api be async? | 14:25 |
| blogan | yes | 14:25 |
| blogan | but that doesn't mean we have to use the agent | 14:25 |
| dougwig | then it depends on whether we put the final status update in a neutron agent or inside octavia? | 14:25 |
| blogan | well neutron lbaas is definitely going to need to know about the final status update | 14:26 |
| blogan | i just think the agent is overkill, and an extra queue we don't need to go over | 14:27 |
| blogan | so the driver can spin up threads | 14:27 |
| xgerman | as I said earlier we should focus on Octavia and just let it land when we are ready | 14:27 |
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| dougwig | right. which we can either do with an eventlet "agent" inside the neutron-server where the driver was called, as a separate agent, or inside octavia. a separate neutron agent seems the least clean of all of those solutions. | 14:27 |
| ptoohill | Which may not be till L ? | 14:28 |
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| xgerman | I am ok with that | 14:28 |
| ptoohill | fair enough | 14:28 |
| xgerman | (we got new directions) | 14:28 |
| blogan | xgerman: oh really? | 14:28 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: agree, but i'm happy with focusing on neutron lbaas during the neutron lbaas meeting. :) | 14:28 |
| xgerman | :-) | 14:29 |
| ptoohill | If thats the case then we wouldnt have to worry about the agent updates which would be the 'bigger' chunk of work for the current ref impl | 14:29 |
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| blogan | xgerman: new directions that will take you off of octavia? | 14:29 |
| xgerman | no, we are just more comfortable with stuff in stackforge as opposed to opesntack | 14:29 |
| dougwig | or new directions that you aren't so strict "must be openstack" ? | 14:29 |
| dougwig | ahh, nice. | 14:29 |
| xgerman | yep, that one | 14:29 |
| blogan | well thats a total 180 | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Oh, that is new. | 14:29 |
| xgerman | yep | 14:30 |
| blogan | watch Rackspace become strict about it being openstack now | 14:30 |
| xgerman | lol | 14:30 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:30 |
| dougwig | blogan: split off all of your unprofitable consumer baggage and maybe some of your priorities will change too. | 14:30 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:30 |
| blogan | lol | 14:31 |
| dougwig | maybe they can call the new PC division "Compaq". | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 14:31 |
| xgerman | and us DEC? | 14:31 |
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| dougwig | only if you're running hp cloud on titaniums. | 14:32 |
| dougwig | itaniums | 14:32 |
| xgerman | ;-) | 14:32 |
| dougwig | auto-correct didn't want to acknowledge that processors existence | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | ok, i've got us in the weeds... | 14:32 |
| johnsom | Hey, Itanium had some good ideas.... | 14:32 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | anything else for today/ | 14:33 |
| dougwig | ? | 14:33 |
| ptoohill | Im on way in, dropping the line. Later guys! | 14:33 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: later | 14:33 |
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| blogan | methinks we're done | 14:33 |
| dougwig | alright, if nothing else, let's get out of here early | 14:33 |
| dougwig | going once... | 14:33 |
| dougwig | going twice... | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Yay! Back to bed! | 14:34 |
| TrevorV_ | lulz | 14:34 |
| blogan | time change is soon | 14:34 |
| TrevorV_ | \o | 14:34 |
| blogan | this will be even earlier | 14:34 |
| xgerman | bye | 14:34 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 23 14:34:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-23-14.20.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-23-14.20.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-23-14.20.log.html | 14:34 |
| dougwig | blogan, that is a mood killer. :) | 14:34 |
| blogan | lol | 14:34 |
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| eglynn-office | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ hello folks! | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all | 15:00 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ildikov_ | _o_ | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | let's get gnocchi out of the way first before we jump into the summit scheduling | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | jd__: how goes it with the pasta maker? | 15:02 |
| nealph_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, don't know about jd__'s update, but I have some about the dispatcher via API performance :) | 15:03 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: shoot! | 15:03 |
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| DinaBelova | quick hack to avoid API calling makes things x10 times better ;) | 15:03 |
| * EmilienM reminds it's jd__ birthday :) | 15:03 | |
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| eglynn | EmilienM: a-ha, cool | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, so direct DBs calls from the same dispatcher is 10x-12x times quicker | 15:04 |
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| DinaBelova | ityaptin is making nice pictures right now | 15:04 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: direct calls to the gnocchi storage driver? | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | and indexer in the needed places | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn: so the thing is remove API calls -> gain 10x perf | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: so we'd get the horizontal scaling by running multiple collectors as opposed to multiple gnocchi-api services | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, indeed | 15:05 |
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| DinaBelova | in the way we're working now for not may collectors - three of them work definitely better than one | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: out of interest, what was jd__'s reaction to that idea of by-passing the API layer? | 15:06 |
| fabiog | DinaBelova: are you doing any batching for the writes? | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, that was out own test actually | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, jd__ did not react somehow on the idea of this trying | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | fabiog, both | 15:07 |
| eglynn | IIUC gnocchi-api only really allows writes to the *same* entity to be batched? | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, the thing I'm talking now about - 100 measures batches are written 10x times faster without API then with it | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, hmmm | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 15:08 |
| eglynn | whereas samples generally arrive together for a mix of entities | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, so that's kind of syntethic situation of batching, yeah | 15:08 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: how did the perf testing go for the plugged in TSDBs? | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | (i.e. opentsdb/influx) | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, we did not try influx yet :( | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | we were having deployment issues... | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | with OpenTSDB + gnocchi :) | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | so influx is the next step here | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | cool enough | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | so seems like this direct-to-storage idea will require some more discussion/buy-in | 15:10 |
| eglynn | but the initial perf gain is hard to ignore | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, well, at least it's making the Gnocchi POC performance close to current Ceilometer one | 15:11 |
| eglynn | yeap | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, indeed | 15:11 |
| eglynn | in other gnocchi news ... | 15:12 |
| eglynn | some iteresting discussion on mixed granularities in sileht's cross-entity aggregation patch https://review.openstack.org/125572 | 15:12 |
| eglynn | I'm thinking that we need to require an explicit choice of the required granularity on GET | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | i.e. never mix granularities in a query response | 15:13 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:13 |
| eglynn | sileht: hey ... that make sense about the mixing? | 15:14 |
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| sileht | eglynn, current the code bail out if sometimes is different between the timeseries dimensions | 15:14 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:15 |
| eglynn | jd__: the birthday boy :) | 15:15 |
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| * cdent raises a glass at jd__ | 15:15 | |
| DinaBelova | jd__, happy b-day! | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | sileht: even in the case where the dimensions match, I'm thinking we should require the caller of GET measures to choose the granularity they'be interested in | 15:16 |
| sileht | jd__, bonne anniversaire :p | 15:16 |
| jd__ | thanks guys! | 15:16 |
| ildikov_ | jd__: happy birthday :) | 15:16 |
| * cdent is a fan of explicit queries | 15:16 | |
| eglynn | sileht: ... so that we never mix say hourly and daily datapoints in a single response | 15:17 |
| sileht | eglynn, instead of return the only values with have (in case of dimemsion match across entities) ? | 15:17 |
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| sileht | eglynn, oh I see | 15:17 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: about API bypass, did you publish the patch? | 15:17 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, not yet, as said, it was just a quick OpenTSDB related hack to measure the possible perf improvement | 15:18 |
| eglynn | sileht: yeah, coz of the overwriting issue in the result dict and the difficulty in telling the granularity apart in the response | 15:18 |
| sileht | eglynn, to not have more and more space between timestamp because of different archive policies | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, just saying it looks 10x times better without pecan apu | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | api* | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, we're still struggling to find reason for the / behavior | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, sorry, no results yet | 15:18 |
| eglynn | jd__: what's your gut reaction to the API-bypass idea? | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | DinaBelova: ok, I'm curious too | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: there's logic we need in the REST API so I'm not sure how it's bypass and if it is properly | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | also I think the problem with the current performance is also tied to the sample model we have currently | 15:20 |
| jd__ | that is clearly not optimized for Gnocchi | 15:20 |
| sileht | eglynn, hum what is the overwritting issue ? | 15:20 |
| jd__ | it was designed for our way of collecting the measures | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, eglynn - it's a quick hack now with API bypassing, API is doing much checking work now... | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | so it won't work in every case - that was done only to measure the perf with this case | 15:20 |
| eglynn | sileht: e.g. 1 minute data with say 2014-10-23T15:00:00 timestamp overwrites 5min or hourly data with the same timestamp in the response dict | 15:21 |
| eglynn | (IIUC) | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, ityaptin and I may try to work on more preferrable API bypassing solution | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | that will keep flexibility with speed | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, we'll work on it during our tests for sure | 15:22 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: ok, let me know how that goes | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, thanks! | 15:22 |
| eglynn | sounds like good material for the "Bringing Gnocchi and Ceilometer together" session at summit | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, for sure! | 15:22 |
| eglynn | ... speaking of which | 15:22 |
| eglynn | should we move on to summit scheduling? | 15:22 |
| cdent | maybe we can use slow api performance as an excuse to trash (as in remove) pecan ;) | 15:23 |
| sileht | eglynn, you think in case of both entity have the datapoint with the same timestamp ? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | cdent: hmmm, the wind has been blowing in favour of pecan for a while | 15:23 |
| cdent | object-dispatch is a broken model | 15:24 |
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| fabiog | cdent: I liked webOB ... | 15:24 |
| cdent | but that's just my NSHO... | 15:24 |
| eglynn | sileht: yes, I thought so, if the timestamp is a "shared" boundary | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, well, at least we may avoid it where we have other variants | 15:24 |
| * cdent is sorry for adding more weeds | 15:24 | |
| eglynn | sileht: e.g. 15:00:00 is a 1min, 5min, 1hr etc. boundary | 15:24 |
| sileht | eglynn, I guess my code works in this case I will a unit tests | 15:24 |
| cdent | scheduling? | 15:24 |
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| * eglynn wonders what NSHO stands for? | 15:25 | |
| eglynn | cdent: yep, let's do that | 15:25 |
| cdent | not so humble opinion | 15:25 |
| jd__ | Not So Humble Opinion I'd say | 15:25 |
| cdent | jinx | 15:25 |
| eglynn | a-ha :) | 15:25 |
| eglynn | #topic finalize kilo summit track | 15:25 |
| sileht | eglynn, oh I got it, I see, fetch return the smaller granularaty | 15:26 |
| eglynn | the boilerplate schedule is here | 15:26 |
| eglynn | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 15:26 |
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| sileht | eglynn, I understand why this is more safe to add the granularaty to the API param | 15:26 |
| eglynn | not filled in for most projects yet | 15:26 |
| eglynn | sileht: cool | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | the hard deadline to have the final schedule pushed is Tuesday next | 15:27 |
| eglynn | but initial version of our track should go up tmrw if we can agree now | 15:27 |
| jd__ | is there a draft? | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | well I tallied the votes on http://bit.ly/kilo-ceilometer-summit-topics | 15:28 |
| eglynn | and the following had most support | 15:28 |
| eglynn | Configuration (pipeline) using persistent data store (20mins) | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | Bringing Gnocchi and Ceilometer together | 15:28 |
| eglynn | Functional areas to target for collaboration with Monasca | 15:28 |
| eglynn | Notifications {as-a-contract, standardization, maximization} | 15:28 |
| eglynn | Switchover to in-tree functional tests (20 mins?) | 15:29 |
| eglynn | Mapping gnocchi semantics to InfluxDB/OpenTSDB | 15:29 |
| eglynn | Kafka Publisher (20mins) | 15:29 |
| jd__ | that makes 5.5 slots on 6, amirite? | 15:30 |
| fabiog | 5 | 15:30 |
| eglynn | jd__: well I'm not 100% sure 20mins will do it for the in-tree tests | 15:30 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:30 |
| jd__ | looks good to me I guess | 15:30 |
| eglynn | so if we were to promote that to a full slot, we'd have 6 | 15:30 |
| ildikov_ | testing is always a long discussion, IMHO | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov_ ++ | 15:31 |
| eglynn | what do folks think of that list? | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, looks nice imho | 15:31 |
| cdent | +1 | 15:31 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: it looks ok to me | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: are you good to proxy for nealph_ for the pipeline config session? | 15:31 |
| fabiog | eglynn: yes | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: cool, thank you sir! | 15:32 |
| eglynn | ildikov_ also has ideas on that one BTW | 15:32 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I took the liberty of adding a column to the google docs for the friday topics | 15:32 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: fabiog: I will try to give some support too regarding to this session | 15:32 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yes, I liked that | 15:32 |
| fabiog | eglynn: can we also have a list of topics for friday? | 15:32 |
| eglynn | so we have a full day on Friday, so I'd hope we could accomodate most or pretty all the remaining topics | 15:33 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think will help structure the discussions. IMHO :-) | 15:33 |
| ildikov_ | and maybe save some slots there for those discussions that we couldn't finish during the design sessions? | 15:33 |
| nealph_ | thumbs up | 15:33 |
| eglynn | fabiog: for Friday the intent is to be free-flowing, but I can put together a list on an etherpad or some-such | 15:34 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I would appreciate it | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog: np, will do! | 15:34 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: I have one question about Kafka publisher. I think that Kafka is only one option. Separate publishers may be created for OpenTSDB or Graphite. I will not be at summit, so I hope you will discuss the topic like 'Additional publishers' :) | 15:34 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: cool, please add that to the topic etherpad when it goes up (to remind us) | 15:35 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: ok! | 15:35 |
| eglynn | BTW I also got a half-session on the cinder track, on surfacing "capacity headroom" | 15:35 |
| eglynn | plus a similar topic for neutron at their Friday session | 15:36 |
| eglynn | (WtE WG related) | 15:36 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: so that are mainly about notify ciner/neutron's own 'capacity'? | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeah, unallocated space/pyhsical-resources basically | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | how much more stuff can I fit in my cloud | 15:37 |
| eglynn | operators want to know such things, so I'm told | 15:38 |
| eglynn | BTW looking at the scheduled slot for the ceilo track, does anyone leading a session have any conflicts? | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | i.e. times they *can't* do? | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | k, that makes things simpler :) | 15:40 |
| eglynn | is that it for the summit? | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I suppose yep | 15:42 |
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| cdent | you guys gonna get me, nealph_ and _nadya_ pressies while in paris? | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | cdent: I'll get ya a bottle of the finest wine known to humanity :) | 15:44 |
| gordc | cdent: urbandictionary gives wildly differing definitions of "pressies" | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, french rose one made me really crazy this summer | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | gordc ++ | 15:45 |
| * DinaBelova was looking there just now | 15:45 | |
| eglynn | ... you'll have to drop over to Dublin to drink it though | 15:45 |
| cdent | uh oh | 15:45 |
| * _nadya_ smiles :) | 15:45 | |
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| cdent | wow gordc, I just don't know what to say about that | 15:45 |
| cdent | I heard the enovance party was pretty wild though, so who knows | 15:46 |
| gordc | cdent: lol | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, lol | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | speaking of parties ... the Red Hat / eNovance shindig clashes with the cores' party yet again :( | 15:48 |
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| nealph_ | eglynn: thinking it's a conspiricy by non-cores now? | 15:49 |
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| nealph_ | s/conspiricy/conspiracy | 15:49 |
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| cdent | tower, mayday, we're spiralling out of control | 15:50 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, it's kind of tradition | 15:50 |
| eglynn | yeap, all the above :) | 15:51 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah :( and a concert I'm going to… :( | 15:51 |
| eglynn | jd__: Damien Rice? | 15:51 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah <3 | 15:51 |
| eglynn | coolness, I've seen him live a few times in Dublin | 15:51 |
| cdent | my lovely wife will be jealous | 15:51 |
| eglynn | ... back in the +LisaHanigan days | 15:51 |
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| jd__ | he might be my favorite artist :) | 15:52 |
| jd__ | hehe | 15:52 |
| jd__ | first gig I went in Paris they would have just broke a week before… | 15:52 |
| eglynn | jd__: is that gig sold out now? | 15:52 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it was sold out in an hour | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | wowser! | 15:53 |
| eglynn | (markmc was talking about going, obviously missed the boat on that) | 15:53 |
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| cdent | summit is not next week but the week after, yes? | 15:54 |
| jd__ | yep | 15:54 |
| eglynn | cdent: Nov 3-7 | 15:54 |
| * cdent is planning his takeover of he codez | 15:55 | |
| eglynn | cdent: LOL :) | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | k, let's call it a wrap a few mins early ... thanks for your time, folks! | 15:56 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks! | 15:56 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: thanks | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, it seems bot forgot about us | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | :-\ | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, no openstack bot around | 15:56 |
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| llu-laptop | bot is thinking its plan for summit :) | 15:57 |
| jd__ | haha | 15:58 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: eekk, an unlogged meeting! | 15:58 |
| jd__ | openstack: coucou | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | one moment | 15:58 |
| * DinaBelova in infra channek | 15:58 | |
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| eglynn | ... like a tree falling unheard in the forest | 15:58 |
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| jd__ | then, did it fell if nobody heard? | 15:58 |
| jd__ | you got 4 hours. | 15:58 |
| eglynn | exactly :) | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn: [19:59:48] <fungi> ping timeout at 15:07:36 utc | 16:00 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, bot died really early | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, that would be great | 16:02 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, ok, will do | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, end meeting | 16:02 |
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| fungi | DinaBelova: eglynn: the reason the bot wasn't responding originally to the endmeeting was that it hadn't quite been 60 minutes yet and eglynn was trying to endmeeting with a different nick than he had startmeeting'd (eglynn-office) | 16:04 |
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| DinaBelova | fungi, a-ha, ok | 16:07 |
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| eglynn-office | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:08 |
| fungi | for future reference, if you are chaiting a meeting and decide to change your nick, you should likely add your new nick as a meeting chair | 16:08 |
| eglynn-office | fungi: cool enough, my bad! | 16:08 |
| fungi | eglynn-office: it's ended now | 16:08 |
| fungi | s/chaiting/chairing/ | 16:09 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, it looks like logs somehow landed here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2014-10-23.log | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, even without official meeting logs | 16:11 |
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| fungi | DinaBelova: right, the meetbot logs activity in the channel if it's present, even if it doesn't think a meeting is running | 16:50 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 17:00:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:01 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_October_23rd_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's get started, maybe more people will trickle in later | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | So I still need to go through the list of open juno bps and move them to kilo | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | but that's just administrative nothing will change with those | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I closed the clients-check-success because it is superseded by clients-return-one-value | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, I was going to ask you for the relationship between the specs as a review comment | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: do you have a change up for dropping the success spec? | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I just closed it as Implemented | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: so we're going to call it implemented, then I guess we should move it the implemented dir | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It was not completely finished but there is no point in doing that for the remaining few clients separately from the return-one-value | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, we should move it or discard it. | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well that's what I was asking about :) If the status in lp is implemented I say let's just move it | 17:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: works for me | 17:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It was a weird case because it was superseded after being mostly implemented :) | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok I'll add it to my pending change doing that | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: and I'll review the new spec this afternoon (sorry I haven't gotten to it yet) | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, great | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any open blueprints that they would like to update status on or discuss? | 17:08 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: resource-cleanup | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, yeah I need to review the framework patch | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: go ahead | 17:08 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I'm waiting for feedback on the proposed framework before I can continue to part 2 | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes that's it | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: do you have a link for the minutes | 17:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: coming... | 17:09 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115353/ | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | cool, thanks | 17:09 |
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| andreaf | Also the ssh-auth one, which is actually a spec, not yet a bp, but I'd love to get input on that - perhaps it's something we could discuss as well on Friday at the summit | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, yeah we punted on that until kilo (which I guess it is now :) ) | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: if you've got another link... | 17:11 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/94741 | 17:11 |
| dkranz | andreaf: About the test-accounts, now that it is finished, is the plan to make using them the default in the gate? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's not ready for that yet | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | there still some missing functionality before we could gate on it | 17:11 |
| andreaf | dkranz, mtreinish: indeed - but I plan to prepare a spec for what's missing | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | after that's done it's definitely worth discussing | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, is it ready to use in real deployments? | 17:12 |
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| andreaf | so we can keep the code exercised | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I would like to try but not if it is known to have major issues | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it has the same networking limitations that non-isolated did. Which can get confusing for multitenant users | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | but for the non-admin auth side it should work fine as long as you're not relying on networking | 17:13 |
| andreaf | dkranz: and also if you run in parallel with pre-provisioned accounts you'll skip admin tests | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | (admin being the other reason we can't use it in the gate yet) | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, I thought that if each user had their own network it would be ok | 17:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway, if there are issues I will raise them outside this meeting | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah if the default is configured sanely it should work, it's just for tests that use fip it might not | 17:14 |
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| andreaf | there's a assumption that all user will belong to the same network | 17:14 |
| dkranz | andreaf: ok. That is the same issue as with nova-network vlan which also does not work | 17:15 |
| dkranz | We should really fix that | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | that'll be part of the second half | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, fair enough | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | allowing the network to be specified in the yaml for each cred set | 17:15 |
| andreaf | dkranz: yes it shouldn't be to difficult in fact, only we wanted to start with something not too complex at once | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | ok, moving on I have an update on the tempest-lib bp | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | finally after about 2 weeks of fighting pypi, requirements, and other issues tempest-lib usage is ready to land in tempest | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/117649 | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/122469 | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | which switch the cli tests to use tempest-lib and switches subunit-trace to be the tempest-lib copy | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | on that note I also pushed out the tempest-2 tag to signal the opening of kilo dev | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | although I guess that's really unrelated :) | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other bp updates I guess we can move on | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: are you around? | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | the only recent devstack thin I'm aware of was that stable/juno was cut | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | ok well if dtroyer shows up later we can come back to devstack | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | so the big update here is thanks to clarkb we've migrated grenade to do juno -> master and icehouse->juno | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | although during the period we were gating on icehouse->master nova managed to land an upgrade breaking change | 17:24 |
| * dtroyer runs in at the sound of his name | 17:25 | |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: heh, are there any update on devstack or grenade? | 17:25 |
| dtroyer | devstack also has a stable./juno cut. otherwise its mostly shaping stuff up for summit. I have a couple of topic we can talk about if nothing more immediate comes up in other sessions | 17:27 |
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| dtroyer | I'm also going to get the bug/bp launchpad stuff under control Real Soon Now… | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh yeah I still need to draft the ML post for devstack and grenade qa-specs usage | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there's nothing else on devstack and grenade I guess we'll move on | 17:29 |
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| dtroyer | thats it, thanks | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | I think those numbers are a bit out of date | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | but it looks like we're finally close to 0 new bugs | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | we still have ~190 open bugs but getting the incoming triage under control is a good first step | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | next week's triage volunteer will be gmann: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss about bugs? | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | ok then I guess we'll move on | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to bring up? | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | wow, must be a first no reviews that need extra attention :) | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then I guess I'll open the floor | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a topic they'd like to discuss that wasn't on the agenda? | 17:37 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: My cross-project proposal was discussed positively in the tc meeting. | 17:38 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: do you still have open slots at the summit? | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: 1 | 17:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The one about "impact of moving func tests to projects" | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | assuming dkranz's topic gets picked up in the cross-project track | 17:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Actually it was mentioned that that was the only test-related proposal. | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | if it does and there isn't another proposal for the slot, I'll give the slot to infra or someone else | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: hmm, that's surprising | 17:39 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I was wondering if discussing what level of validation we want in API tests is worth a session - i.e. do we want all tests to check the created server have proper networking, that volumes attached can actually be seen attached to a VM etc | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: basically a session on your ssh auth spec? :) | 17:40 |
| dkranz | andreaf: I think that is part of the "what is tempest after moving fun tests to projects discussion" | 17:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think it is more general than that. | 17:41 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: well yes the spec is about how to do it, but I wanted to discuss if / where we want to do it | 17:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think we should double up the "future of tempest" slot rather than giving it away | 17:41 |
| dkranz | andreaf: right, that was my point I think | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | 80min is really a lot of time for one topic | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | I'd rather just use part of friday if we can't fit it all into 40 | 17:42 |
| andreaf | there is this constant problem that tests doing ssh to a VM is less reliable - they are more complex granted but maybe it's also because we do not test it enough in the gate | 17:42 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think "future of tempest" with folks from outside our group could easily take more than 40 min :) | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: The problem is that it is flaky | 17:44 |
| dkranz | andreaf: If ssh was expected to be reliable I would be all for doing it always | 17:44 |
| dkranz | I had one more topic | 17:45 |
| andreaf | dkranz: there may be other ways to do deeper validation which do not rely on ssh, perhaps custom image logging things on console would be another option | 17:45 |
| andreaf | dkranz, go ahead | 17:45 |
| dkranz | We should really have many more periodic jobs running various "stress" tests | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: as a summit topic or for discussion now? | 17:46 |
| dkranz | I meant discussion now | 17:46 |
| dkranz | It is just a matter of who will watch them. | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | ok, because andreaf has a summit session that too :) | 17:46 |
| dkranz | oh, I didn't see that | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Is it on the etherpad? | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: QA and CI after merge | 17:47 |
| andreaf | dkranz, I have a session about post merge QA | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | it's not exactly about stress tests, but the same basic issues will be discussed | 17:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, we can discuss it then. | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: what we really need to have is a dashboard view for the results | 17:48 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes a dashboard would help | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | which shows the job history and trends over time | 17:48 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, and a rotation of people to watch | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | the problem is someone needs to step up to make it | 17:48 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: but it could even something like if a job displays signs of definite bit-rot, start voting -1 or patches or so | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: I think that would be much harder to do | 17:49 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: it would be harder to implement? Yes but it's something that we need I think, else the gate won't scale in future | 17:50 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok we discuss this at the summit | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: both to implement and it also very different from what we say gating is now | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sure | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: anyway I think it would be fine to add more varied stress jobs now we can figure out the reporting/watching side at summit | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there's nothing else I guess we'll end here | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 23 17:54:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-23-17.00.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-23-17.00.txt | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-23-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
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| mriedem | let's do this | 21:00 |
| mikal | Nova meeting? | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | hells yeah | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 21:00:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | mriedem appears pumped for a meeting | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Oh, pings | 21:00 |
| mikal | mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto mzoeller funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor: le ping | 21:00 |
| mriedem | i'm not really all that excited | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo Specs | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Specs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | Specs are open, as yuo should all know | 21:01 |
| * jogo walks in late | 21:01 | |
| mikal | We've already approved 15, which is pretty cool | 21:01 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 21:01 |
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| thangp | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 21:01 |
| jogo | mikal: we can use a lot more spec reviews | 21:01 |
| mikal | Just a reminder that if you're blocked on a procedural -2, you should ping the reviewer and ask for it to be removed | 21:01 |
| mikal | jogo: yep, that's not unexpected | 21:01 |
| mikal | So... | 21:02 |
| mikal | Are there any BP's that want to request a fast track this week? | 21:02 |
| mikal | (The blueprints too small to require a spec that is) | 21:02 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 21:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | Is that hello, or please fast track me? | 21:02 |
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| mikal | Ok, no fast tracks | 21:03 |
| mikal | Anything else for specs? | 21:03 |
| edleafe | hello! | 21:03 |
| mikal | Apart from that we need to do more reviews? | 21:03 |
| krtaylor | hello for me | 21:03 |
| jogo | mikal: there is a spec for a new virt driver | 21:03 |
| mikal | jogo: oh, haven't seen that one | 21:03 |
| mikal | jogo: what hypervisor? | 21:03 |
| jogo | err I misread it slightly https://review.openstack.org/130447 | 21:03 |
| jogo | system Z | 21:04 |
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| jogo | libvirt/kvm on there | 21:04 |
| jogo | my bad | 21:04 |
| mriedem | zkvm | 21:04 |
| jogo | dansmith: ^ you should impliment that spec | 21:04 |
| * mriedem hasn't read it | 21:04 | |
| mikal | Heh | 21:04 |
| jogo | implement | 21:04 |
| mikal | Ok, well it will get reviewed in due course I imagine | 21:04 |
| mriedem | they should already know about the requied virt driver APIs from the meetup | 21:04 |
| mikal | Shall we move on from specs? | 21:04 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo Summit | 21:05 |
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| comstud | oui, oui | 21:05 |
| mikal | So, we had that brainstorming etherpad, which has turned into this proposed schedule | 21:05 |
| mikal | == Wed == | 21:05 |
| mikal | 9:00 - 10:30Cells | 21:05 |
| mikal | 11:00 - 11:40Functional testing | 21:05 |
| mikal | 11:50 - 12:30Glance client library | 21:05 |
| mikal | 1:50 - 2:30Unconference | 21:05 |
| mikal | 2:40 - 3:20CI status checkpoint | 21:05 |
| dansmith | comstud has been around more since he left openstack than he was before, I think | 21:05 |
| mikal | 3:30 - 4:10Virt drivers: Consistency and Minimum requirements | 21:05 |
| mikal | 4:30 - 5:10Objects Status and Deadlines | 21:05 |
| mikal | 5:20 - 6:00NFV Proposed Specs (need specs) | 21:05 |
| mikal | == Thu == | 21:05 |
| mikal | 9:00 - 9:40API microversions | 21:05 |
| mikal | 9:50 - 10:30nova-network migration | 21:05 |
| mikal | 11:00 - 12:30Scheduler / Resource tracker | 21:05 |
| mikal | 1:40 - 2:20Unconference | 21:05 |
| mikal | 2:30 - 3:10Upgrades / DB migration plan | 21:05 |
| mikal | 3:20 - 4:00Containers Service | 21:05 |
| mikal | 4:30 - 6:00Workload management | 21:05 |
| mikal | == Fri == | 21:06 |
| mikal | "Meetup day" | 21:06 |
| mikal | We only have 18 slots this time, because of the meetup day | 21:06 |
| mikal | But we've bumped things which aren't easy to timebox to the meetup day | 21:06 |
| mikal | Which I think makes sense | 21:06 |
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| mikal | I need to enter that schedule into the app that publishes it real soon now, so I will do that todayish | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: i wasa thinking the same thing | 21:06 |
| comstud | dansmith: loose ends and no other work! | 21:06 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:06 |
| mikal | Anything else we need to discuss about the summit at this point? | 21:06 |
| mikal | Ok, moving on again | 21:07 |
| mikal | #topic Gate Status | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 21:07 |
| mikal | Are these notes in the wiki from last week or this? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | jogo probably knows latest status | 21:07 |
| jogo | mriedem: pretty healthy actaully | 21:07 |
| mikal | Nice | 21:07 |
| jogo | gate queue has been low all week | 21:08 |
| mriedem | the gate status notes in the meeting agenda are old | 21:08 |
| dansmith | we can fix that | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i'm not working anything i don't think, i.e. the quota stuff | 21:08 |
| dansmith | everyone approve more of my patches :) | 21:08 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:08 |
| mikal | Ok, its good its not busted at the moment | 21:08 |
| mikal | Move on again again? | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | cinder and neutron appear to have the biggest weirdo bugs | 21:08 |
| mriedem | move on | 21:08 |
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| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:09 |
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| mikal | Ok, I only have one thing | 21:09 |
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| mikal | I think we should skip the meeting next week | 21:09 |
| mikal | Anyone disagree? | 21:09 |
| dansmith | I'l be on a plane | 21:09 |
| dansmith | so, I don't care either way :D | 21:09 |
| jogo | ++ to skip | 21:09 |
| mikal | I imagine most people will be travelling, packing, or avoiding human contact | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | is next week supposed to be the 'week off'? | 21:09 |
| mikal | mriedem: that might be this week? I'd have to check. | 21:10 |
| mriedem | doesn't matter | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | work'em if you got'em | 21:10 |
| mikal | Hmm, there's nothing on the release schedule | 21:10 |
| mikal | Anything else for open discussion? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I have a few bugs I'd like to point to | 21:10 |
| mikal | Or can we set a record for shortest meeting ever? | 21:10 |
| mikal | dansmith: go for it | 21:11 |
| dansmith | there are two really ugly pci related bugs that I think snuck in during the rushed reviews of that stuff during FFE | 21:11 |
| dansmith | both are pretty major, IMHO | 21:11 |
| dansmith | and want to make sure other people agree | 21:11 |
| dansmith | first is a config format breakage: | 21:11 |
| dansmith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1383345 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1383345 in nova "PCI-Passthrough : TypeError: pop() takes at most 1 argument (2 given" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | second prevents starting compute service if certain pci devices aren't available for claiming at startup: | 21:11 |
| dansmith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1383465 | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1383465 in nova "[pci-passthrough] nova-compute fails to start" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:12 |
| dansmith | both seem pretty bad to me and need fixing quickly | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I think there are people on top of both of them, but wanted to raise them for visibility of the reviews that I hope will show up soon | 21:12 |
| mikal | The first one is being worked on it seems | 21:12 |
| mikal | I agree its a problem | 21:12 |
| mikal | Ditto the second one | 21:13 |
| dansmith | the second one is likely harder to resolve, but since there seemed to be some feelings that it was okay to block compute starting, | 21:13 |
| mikal | So, I guess you're saying we should keep an eye out for fixes and review them when they happen? | 21:13 |
| dansmith | I just wanted to make sure nobody else thinks that's reasonable :) | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | mikal: well, that and want to make sure that we're on the same page re: severity and desired behavior | 21:14 |
| mikal | I feel like its good when nova-compute starts | 21:14 |
| mriedem | not able to start compute seems...not ok? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:14 |
| mikal | It would be unexpected that you can't manage any instances on that hypervisor | 21:14 |
| mikal | The second bug also doesn't have an assignee | 21:15 |
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| jogo | we should require a pci CI system | 21:15 |
| dansmith | I think maybe yjiang5 is going to work up a fix for that one? | 21:15 |
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| jogo | for further work on this stuff | 21:15 |
| dansmith | jogo: sadly, very little if any of this is covered by testing at all :( | 21:15 |
| jogo | at least have it run periodically | 21:15 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: Robert and I are looking on it. | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yjiang5: okay though so, thanks :) | 21:15 |
| jogo | dansmith: well until that is fixed, block new pci features | 21:15 |
| jogo | dansmith: this is what happens when we don't test | 21:16 |
| dansmith | jogo: no argument from me. | 21:16 |
| mikal | That sounds like something we should talk over in the CI summit session | 21:16 |
| mikal | But I agree that CI is important here | 21:16 |
| dansmith | the third thing is kinda minor: | 21:17 |
| yjiang5 | jogo: we have a internal system for testing, but not sure why it missed the first issue. For the second issue, it's a not-so-common scenerio and I don't think we have test case for it. | 21:17 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130601/ | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | but it changes the way we dispatch our build_and_run method in compute a little | 21:17 |
| dansmith | so thought it would be good to get some more eyes on it | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | yjiang5: if we used pci devices in the grenade tests upstream, we would have caught it I think, because we restart compute, right? | 21:18 |
| dansmith | or at least, could have had a chance of hitting it, I guess | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | since we restart compute with some instances defined | 21:18 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: seems that issue happens when compute node reboot, and the PCI devices on the system changes, some device that was asigned to a instance before the reboot disapeared. | 21:18 |
| mikal | yjiang5: I can see that stopping the instance from starting, but not all of nova-compute | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I dunno, I don't think joe changed his physical system | 21:19 |
| jogo | yjiang5: ahh didn't realize it was a uncommon case | 21:19 |
| mikal | I feel like we should add a test case for that | 21:19 |
| mikal | And talk CI for PCI too | 21:19 |
| yjiang5 | mikal: sure. | 21:19 |
| mikal | So, step 1. Let's fix those bugs and backport them. | 21:19 |
| mikal | Step 2 can be better CI for this. | 21:20 |
| dansmith | yep | 21:20 |
| dansmith | anyway, that's it from me | 21:20 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:20 |
| mikal | Anything else from anyone? | 21:20 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: I don't know why the device disapear, but from the log, it not shown after reboot. But I totally agree we should not block nova compte service in such situation. | 21:20 |
| mriedem | are we going to talk about ceph CI at some CI talk thingy? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | yjiang5: okay | 21:20 |
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| jogo | mriedem: good question | 21:20 |
| mriedem | russellb started that but i haven't heard progress | 21:20 |
| jogo | russellb: ^ I think you worked on that | 21:20 |
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| mikal | We have a CI session, but I am not sure how much time we'll have | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i'd feel a lot better about reviewing ceph related patches if we had CI | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I think we have at least another person in redhat interested in finishing that up, but I don't know the status | 21:21 |
| mikal | Ceph being a intra-libvirt CI thing | 21:21 |
| mriedem | well, as a storage backend | 21:21 |
| mriedem | for shared storage | 21:21 |
| mikal | If we don't get to it in that session we'll add it to the meetup agenda | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121745/ | 21:21 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, same :/ | 21:22 |
| dansmith | I've said several times I don't feel equipped to review that | 21:22 |
| mriedem | like....maybe we can skip some known test failures for now if it's a handful in an rbd job? | 21:22 |
| mikal | Yeah, there was also that security vulnerability that might have been picked up by CI | 21:22 |
| mriedem | like what we've talked about with cells | 21:22 |
| mikal | The sharing config drives between instances one | 21:22 |
| mriedem | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121745/ i basically asked a billion questoins and then haven't looked back in awhile | 21:23 |
| mriedem | and i have to just review it based on how it looks since i'm probably not going to setup a ceph backend to test it | 21:23 |
| mriedem | and i have to take the other reviewers word for it working | 21:23 |
| mikal | I agree CI is important here | 21:23 |
| mikal | Basically I think CI is always imortant | 21:23 |
| mriedem | anyway, food for thought | 21:23 |
| mikal | important even | 21:23 |
| mriedem | i see there is also a fedora job lurking somewhere | 21:24 |
| mriedem | maybe we can get newer libvirt tested on that as non-voting | 21:24 |
| mikal | We talked about that in Juno | 21:24 |
| mikal | I thought someone at RH was working on that | 21:24 |
| mikal | But then it went quiet | 21:24 |
| mikal | So yeah, that's another thing to chase as well | 21:24 |
| mriedem | yeah there is actually a fedora job somewhere i saw this week | 21:24 |
| mriedem | on the experimental queue | 21:24 |
| mriedem | the queue of lost toys | 21:25 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:25 |
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| mikal | So, anything else? | 21:25 |
| dansmith | mikal: I have something | 21:25 |
| mriedem | have we heard any progress on a neuetronv2 api cleanup? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | from beagles | 21:26 |
| mikal | mriedem: I have not | 21:26 |
| mikal | dansmith: do tell | 21:26 |
| mriedem | or a spec or some such | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I haven't seen any mention of progress or a spec | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | okay then | 21:27 |
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| dansmith | mikal: I was going to ask if I could have an early mark | 21:27 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:27 |
| dansmith | but mriedem messed it up | 21:27 |
| mikal | Well, if you people would stop bringing things up | 21:27 |
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| mikal | And making me work | 21:27 |
| mikal | Then yes, early marks for all | 21:27 |
| mikal | mriedem: I think pinging beagles in an email might be a good idea? | 21:28 |
| mriedem | mikal: yeah i'll hound him somehow | 21:28 |
| mriedem | when i care next :) | 21:28 |
| mikal | mriedem: thanks | 21:28 |
| mikal | Anything else? | 21:28 |
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| mikal | Ok, sounds like we're done | 21:29 |
| mriedem | bye | 21:29 |
| mikal | Last call... | 21:29 |
| mikal | Ok, see you in Paris! | 21:30 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 23 21:30:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-23-21.00.html | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-23-21.00.txt | 21:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-23-21.00.log.html | 21:30 |
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