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| hogepodge | Howdy | 14:03 |
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| crinkle | hello | 14:04 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting | 14:04 |
| simon-AS5591 | Hello - this is the Puppet-OpenStack team, right? | 14:04 |
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| openstack | crinkle: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:04 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting Puppet-OpenStack | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 14:04:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:05 |
| crinkle | neat | 14:05 |
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| crinkle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-agenda-10.27.2014 | 14:05 |
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| crinkle | #topic Common OpenStack Identity Resources blueprint | 14:06 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129700/ | 14:06 |
| crinkle | This was emilien's topic but he won't be here today | 14:07 |
| crinkle | he would like it to be reviewed | 14:07 |
| hogepodge | crinkle I was wondering about the blueprint. Since identities are created, does that mean it should use the puppet-keystone providers. | 14:07 |
| hogepodge | If so, does that mean it should be in openstack_extras rather than openstacklib, or is a circular dependency ok? | 14:08 |
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| crinkle | I think his intention is to put it in openstacklib, I don't see how extras would be involved | 14:09 |
| hogepodge | Or should lib provide the keystone user/tenant resources? | 14:09 |
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| crinkle | oh now I see | 14:09 |
| hogepodge | I can leave a review asking these questions too. :-) | 14:10 |
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| crinkle | please do | 14:10 |
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| crinkle | #action Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129700 , hogepodge will comment | 14:11 |
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| crinkle | #topic Paris meeting times and agenda planning | 14:12 |
| crinkle | hogepodge: | 14:12 |
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| hogepodge | So far there are two meetings scheduled for the Kilo design summit. | 14:13 |
| hogepodge | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/f9ed6b21149364e38fa4ab03b80a7d74 | 14:13 |
| hogepodge | The design session. Is there an etherpad set up for it? | 14:14 |
| hogepodge | crinkle and sbadia will be running it | 14:14 |
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| crinkle | There was an etherpad for the proposal, I haven't started an etherpad for the official agenda | 14:14 |
| crinkle | I was planning to do so this week | 14:14 |
| hogepodge | Cool. There's also an operators session. http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/61f2d6c7c34993193223c1f9b0c5e343 | 14:15 |
| crinkle | oh good | 14:15 |
| hogepodge | Right now I'm listed as the moderator, but it's probably more appropriate for someone else to run it. I'm happy to do so, though, if you feel it's ok. | 14:15 |
| crinkle | I emailed tom fifeld last night to volunteer for it but I would love for you to do it | 14:16 |
| crinkle | so many things going on that week | 14:16 |
| hogepodge | I can do it. | 14:17 |
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| crinkle | #info Design summit session scheduled | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/f9ed6b21149364e38fa4ab03b80a7d74 | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #action crinkle and sbadia to write agenda | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #info Operators session scheduled | 14:18 |
| crinkle | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/61f2d6c7c34993193223c1f9b0c5e343 | 14:18 |
| crinkle | #action hogepodge will lead operators session | 14:18 |
| * crinkle wonders if she's using meetbot right :P | 14:18 | |
| crinkle | Anything else? | 14:19 |
| crinkle | #topic meetings | 14:20 |
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| crinkle | One more thing I'd like to ask, rather than me starting an etherpad each time, we could have people edit the meeting wiki agenda | 14:20 |
| crinkle | throughout the week when things come up they want to talk about | 14:20 |
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| crinkle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PuppetOpenStack | 14:21 |
| crinkle | very quiet today | 14:22 |
| crinkle | I'll bring it up on the mailing list | 14:23 |
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| hogepodge | It's early. :-) | 14:23 |
| crinkle | so early | 14:23 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:23 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 14:23:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-10-27-14.04.html | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-10-27-14.04.txt | 14:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-10-27-14.04.log.html | 14:23 |
| * crinkle back to sleep | 14:23 | |
| hogepodge | ok, I had a couple of topics, but I can bring them up later. | 14:24 |
| crinkle | oh, sorry, you were quiet | 14:24 |
| crinkle | can I restart meeting? | 14:24 |
| hogepodge | don't worry about it | 14:24 |
| crinkle | they weren't on the agenda, sorry :( | 14:24 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 15:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Good morning, everyone! | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:00 |
| * krotscheck did not have a chance to update the agenda from last week. | 15:01 | |
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| krotscheck | Ok | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | There | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: Bug in Subscriptions | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | So, somewhere in our last few patches, the Post/Delete subscription endpoint stopped workign. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | What seems to happen is that the requests all happen normally, but the actual record is never persisted. | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Or, it is saved in a way that is no longer retrievable. | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Given that I want that to be working by the time the summit rolls around I’ll make that my first priority. | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | To be honest, looking over the agenda, I don’t see a whole lot of things which I have to report progress on. I spent most of last week doing presentation prep and HP-internal things. | 15:06 |
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| ttx | yeah, same here | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Righto. | 15:06 |
| ttx | no comment yet on the storytype spec | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Any objection to moving right to summit talk? | 15:07 |
| ttx | nope | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | #topic Summit | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey! | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | So, whether or not StoryBoard is getting an infra session is still up in the air. | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | First we wanted one, and then we decided not to do one, and now apparently there might be a room open for us? | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | jeblair can give more details. | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | (if he’s awake) | 15:08 |
| jeblair | if the cross-project functional test session is approved, then qa has an open slot | 15:08 |
| jeblair | in which we would put the session on gating strategies | 15:09 |
| jeblair | so then infra has an open slot :) | 15:09 |
| ttx | hah | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Righto. | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | And by when will we know? | 15:09 |
| * mtreinish looks at ttx | 15:09 | |
| jeblair | and while i don't think we need a session to make progress on storyboard, i don't think it would hurt (we can always use it to talk about tricky things like story types and tags, etc) | 15:09 |
| jeblair | and perhaps some folks will come and be inspired to help krotscheck hack | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | That’d be nice. | 15:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 15:10 |
| * krotscheck just got an unsolicited “dude this is really well designed” from inside of HP this morning. | 15:10 | |
| jeblair | i think we'll know, what, today or tomorrow? when the cross-project sessions are finalized | 15:10 |
| ttx | mtreinish: russellb and markmcclain are supposed to pick the sessions tomorrow | 15:10 |
| * NikitaKonovalov got lost in timezones | 15:10 | |
| mtreinish | ttx: ok cool, thanks | 15:11 |
| ttx | and get them approved by the TC tomorrow evening | 15:11 |
| mordred | btw - we showed it to our new friends at eucalyptus last week, and they also had nice things to say | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so we’ll know by tomorrow, in which case I will run panicking all around the infra channel trying to figure out what to talk about :) | 15:11 |
| mordred | although I suppose those are old friends for ttx | 15:11 |
| ttx | mordred: they always have nice things to say | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | I did manage to get my lightning talk done on friday, and will spend some time practicing this week. | 15:12 |
| jeblair | i told them they should help krotscheck hack | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Anyone have any other things to talk about summit wise? | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | I will be carrying around a clipboard for signups. Wednesday I’ll be doing UX sessions. | 15:14 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: will you have a lab coat? | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I’m sure I can come up with one. | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: It’s halloween. | 15:15 |
| jeblair | because a clip board _and_ a lab coat would be killer | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | Ok, moving on. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Daylight Savings Time Changes | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | The USA is doing silly daylinght savings this weekend. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | So, for those of us on the west coast, this means our meeting will shift to 7AM. | 15:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Saratov is now GMT+3, so now it's 6 PM for me | 15:17 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: What was it before, 5? | 15:17 |
| ttx | we can move one hour later | 15:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it was 7 | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | Oh. Neat | 15:18 |
| ttx | we did that before | 15:18 |
| ttx | I mean, one hour later, UTC | 15:18 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t mind 7AM. What do other westcoasters think? | 15:18 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | so, yes, if we move one hour later, nothing changes for me | 15:18 |
| ttx | we should just switch to 16:00 UTC for the winter | 15:19 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and btw we here in Russia were promissed to stay in this TZ forever | 15:19 |
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| ttx | In Soviet Russia, Timezones change you | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | .... | 15:19 |
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| * krotscheck wonders if that joke is funny to russians. | 15:20 | |
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| krotscheck | Anyway, anyone have disagreements to moving the meeting back an hour? | 15:20 |
| ttx | ...no idea. | 15:20 |
| jeblair | wfm | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | … my only concern is that we’ll get bumped back into meeting-3 | 15:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | wait, what do you mean back? | 15:20 |
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| ttx | 16:00 UTC | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: One hour later. | 15:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | wfm ,then | 15:21 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I've seen Mirantis print T-shirts with that joke forever, so my bet is on "funny" | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | ttx: I dunno, I’ve known Mirantis to have a bit of a split brain at times. | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so let’s move th emeeting. ttx, can you handle that? | 15:22 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i think we'd be in -alt | 15:22 |
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| * krotscheck doesn’t know how to change the schedule. | 15:22 | |
| jeblair | there's only 1 meeting scheduled for monday 1600 right now | 15:22 |
| ttx | krotscheck: if you update the wiki I'll update the cal | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Works for me. | 15:23 |
| ttx | we'll need to go in -3 | 15:23 |
| ttx | Oslo is in -alt | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | -3 it is | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | #topic Next Week’s Meeting | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Cancelled! | 15:23 |
| ttx | krotscheck: update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#StoryBoard_Meeting | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | Because we’ll probably all be busy. | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | ttx: hrm, oslo is not showing up in my ical feed | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | Alright, anything else on general summit/meeting/timzeon things before we look at the MVP? | 15:25 |
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| krotscheck | Alrightey! | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1 | 15:26 |
| * NikitaKonovalov need to check the scedule to be at both Sahara and StoryBoard | 15:26 | |
| krotscheck | Let’s just do a general overview of what’s happened this week. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | I did some work on the bricks needed for email, but that’s about it. | 15:26 |
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| ttx | jeblair: it's every two weeks ? | 15:26 |
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| ttx | jeblair: oh,no. It's starting after summit only | 15:27 |
| ttx | nov 17 | 15:27 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ (i already provisionally put the storyboard session in the schedule, so you can check it now) | 15:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: thanks | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | That makes my life easier. | 15:28 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Other than reviews and the typo change that just landed, any other updates? | 15:29 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I'm still captured by Sahara | 15:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so no progress on tags for now | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: How likely is that to change after the summit? | 15:31 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I've discussed that with SergeyLukjanov, I'll have time after the Summit | 15:31 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and at the summit | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | Alright. | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | I think that actually wraps it for our meeting. Given that people are leaving for paris soon, we may not be able to land much this week. | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | The only thing I’m concerned about is the subscription bug, and I’ll try to figure that out today. | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:33 |
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| krotscheck | Anything else? | 15:33 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, that wraps it then. | 15:35 |
| jeblair | see you all soon! | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | Oh, and a special thanks to jedimike for getting his feet wet :) | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 15:35:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-10-27-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-10-27-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-10-27-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 17:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
| rluethi | hi | 17:01 |
| sarob | hello everyone | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:01 |
| sayali | hi | 17:01 |
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| fthamura | hi all, just observer :) | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: hello, good to see you :) | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic kilo summit design session | 17:03 |
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| sarob | evening fthamura | 17:03 |
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| fthamura | yah, working hard to translate in transiflex :) and have 8 volunteer now, 1 review (plus me coordinator), i post several idea, because the univ, and school, need aknowledgement | 17:03 |
| fthamura | ok, i just observer here ;) lets meeting, wanna to know status there :) | 17:04 |
| sarob | okay fthamura, lets lock down the summit meeting time and discuss | 17:04 |
| sarob | so we have #link http://doodle.com/4hp7a89e3geykmhy#table 5 responses on the summit design meeting time | 17:05 |
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| sarob | looks like tues 04 nov at 13:00 and thur 06 nov at 13:00 are the best times | 17:06 |
| sarob | any last changes or requests? | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | are we sure if the two meetings will be sufficient | 17:06 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I think we are sure they won't be sufficient. but we can meet in smaller groups, too. | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I am just asking for everyones opinion | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 17:07 |
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| sarob | i was thinking we go for 45 minutes and then we can agree on more times perhaps smaller groups for later in the week | 17:08 |
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| sarob | depending on how cleaned up the agenda is of course | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | ok, sounds good to me | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | so we can estimate properly on Tue if we need more meetings | 17:09 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: that was my thought | 17:09 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree, its a good idea. | 17:10 |
| sarob | so are we good with tuesday 13:00 in the doc pod? | 17:10 |
| rluethi | sarob: works for me. | 17:10 |
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| dguitarbite | works for me | 17:10 |
| sarob | annegent_: you are around? | 17:10 |
| sarob | sweet | 17:11 |
| sarob | anyone else? | 17:11 |
| sarob | thoughts? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | I guess we need one more Vote | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: ping, der? | 17:11 |
| sayali_ | that sounds good | 17:11 |
| sayali_ | yes | 17:11 |
| sarob | #topic kilo design summit agenda | 17:12 |
| sarob | agenda is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit | 17:12 |
| sarob | #action training-guides kilo design session is set for 13:00 tuesday 04 nov in the documentation pod | 17:13 |
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| sarob | incubation, trainer tools, upstream training cood, are the priority topics i think | 17:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 17:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry im late | 17:14 |
| sarob | shillasaebi no prob | 17:14 |
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| sarob | take a gander at eavesdrop to catch up | 17:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | will do | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-27-17.00.log.txt | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | ShillaSaebi: link above | 17:15 |
| sarob | so fthamura you are asking about university involvement | 17:15 |
| sarob | thx dguitarbite | 17:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thank you | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | welcome | 17:16 |
| sarob | fthamura how can we help you? | 17:16 |
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| fthamura | yes | 17:16 |
| fthamura | they need aknowledgement :) | 17:16 |
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| fthamura | so, my idea, if they contribute 5000 word, can use the logo | 17:17 |
| sarob | fthamura ack like active help | 17:17 |
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| sarob | fthamura: ah logo | 17:17 |
| fthamura | yup | 17:17 |
| fthamura | openstack logo, with small title "contributor" | 17:17 |
| fthamura | if the univ commited to join the translation, they can use "openstack training team" | 17:17 |
| fthamura | usually they want to use this effort to manage another univs, sound like competition | 17:18 |
| sarob | fthamura: so the openstack logo is controlled by the foundation #link http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-logo/ | 17:18 |
| fthamura | with this logo they can "train" another univ | 17:18 |
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| fthamura | i know, OS Foundation controll it | 17:18 |
| fthamura | that why i posted | 17:18 |
| sarob | fthamura: "OpenStack Logo has been provided to the OpenStack community for community building activities, provided these activities and uses are not commercial in nature." | 17:18 |
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| fthamura | their work will be free in docs.openstack.org/id -> indonesia | 17:19 |
| fthamura | i think if they do it for their own training, that will bring more more people become commiter | 17:19 |
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| sarob | fthamura: sure i like that | 17:19 |
| fthamura | or parent will trust that this is a good univ, because openstack center | 17:19 |
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| fthamura | we must make sure that openstack docs are freely | 17:20 |
| sarob | fthamura: will the university be making money off the openstack training or free? | 17:20 |
| fthamura | up to them | 17:20 |
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| fthamura | the material is free from internet anyway | 17:20 |
| sarob | fthamura: ah not if they are going to use the openstack logo | 17:20 |
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| sarob | fthamura: the training-guides project is open sources yes | 17:21 |
| sarob | fthamura: use of the openstack logo is not | 17:21 |
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| fthamura | the aknowledgement is because they contribute, but not for training activity | 17:21 |
| fthamura | sound like "certified" for the person | 17:21 |
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| sarob | fthamura: ack of their contribution can come in many forms | 17:21 |
| fthamura | and ceritified for the univ that create openstack center that do translation | 17:22 |
| sarob | fthamura: im happy to explore those with you | 17:22 |
| sarob | fthamura: i just cant bless the use of the openstack logo because it is not mine to give | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: openstack logo is trademark of OpenStack Foundation and does not/is not valid under the license which which the Documentation and the other Code is distributed. It is legally incorrect to use if for any purposes without the consent of the Foundation | 17:22 |
| fthamura | with current status, slow to get translation less than 3000 words right now, and 24 + 256 schools wanna to join to make them openstack center | 17:22 |
| fthamura | several univ willing to pay :) crazy right | 17:23 |
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| sarob | fthamura: however i am happy to discuss options with you and mark collier from the foundation | 17:23 |
| fthamura | redhat charge $5000/year for univ to put redhat logo, and there are , univ pay :) | 17:23 |
| fthamura | yes, i love if you can help :) | 17:23 |
| fthamura | they pay to contribute to translate :) crazy idea, but i believe will work | 17:24 |
| fthamura | i cant to summit :( that sad news | 17:24 |
| fthamura | right now canonical bring several companies to me, and their staff try translate ;) | 17:24 |
| fthamura | quanta distributor, | 17:24 |
| sarob | fthamura: yeah, the current way is if you want to train and charge for it, and use the openstack logo then you need to use the openstack training logo | 17:24 |
| fthamura | that use ubuntu as their default distro | 17:24 |
| sarob | fthamura: the info is here #link http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-training/ | 17:24 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I am not sure it is as easy to use the openstack training logo! | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: I would suggest you to write to the openstack foundation via. the mailing list for clarifying this out properly | 17:25 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: there are a list of requirements to use the openstack training logo | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | unfortunatly we are not exactly experts on this topic | 17:25 |
| fthamura | i will | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree | 17:26 |
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| fthamura | my idea to make a team that can translate with deadline | 17:26 |
| fthamura | like juno horizon guide, i wish have enough team to translate | 17:26 |
| sarob | fthamura: my offer stands to help directly working with you and mark | 17:26 |
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| fthamura | because this case, i get this idea | 17:26 |
| fthamura | how to email mark? post just in mailing general? or private cc you? | 17:27 |
| sarob | fthamura: i really really really want to get universities involved in openstack training | 17:27 |
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| sarob | fthamura: i will add mark collier to your email thread you started | 17:27 |
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| fthamura | 12 univs join the openstack lab right now | 17:27 |
| fthamura | thx :) | 17:27 |
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| sarob | fthamura: sounds exciting! | 17:27 |
| fthamura | but because voluntaire work, they dont translate ;) | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: are you using osbash? | 17:28 |
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| fthamura | osbash? | 17:28 |
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| fthamura | what is that? | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | #link: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-guides/tree/labs | 17:30 |
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| fthamura | no, we use the docs.openstack.org | 17:30 |
| fthamura | i just promote 4 area of skillset to school (high school) | 17:30 |
| fthamura | associate, architect etc from training guide standard :) | 17:30 |
| fthamura | the response is good | 17:30 |
| sarob | fthamura: can you join us for the design session? | 17:30 |
| fthamura | but , if they adopt, they want to get aknowledgement that they have openstack | 17:31 |
| fthamura | design session in paris summit? | 17:31 |
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| sarob | fthamura: maybe i could skype you in? | 17:31 |
| fthamura | i cant join the openstack summit this year , sorry :( i wish can | 17:31 |
| fthamura | skype can :) | 17:31 |
| fthamura | fthamura is my skype | 17:31 |
| fthamura | set the time ;) i love to join :0 | 17:31 |
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| fthamura | any time ;0 | 17:31 |
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| fthamura | i am using chromebook right now, so dont have skype | 17:31 |
| sarob | fthamura: its going to be 13:00 paris time on 04 nov | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: we could try to make skype work or even hangouts! | 17:32 |
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| fthamura | cool | 17:32 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: hangout works too | 17:32 |
| fthamura | my hangout frans@meruvian.org | 17:32 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: I guess I have you on my hangouts list :) | 17:32 |
| fthamura | yup :) | 17:32 |
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| fthamura | my pleasure can join :) | 17:33 |
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| sarob | fthamura: great, review the agenda and add your topics #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit | 17:34 |
| fthamura | honestly, i have a java education network, and around 69 univs, and wanna to put openstack/cloudfoundry inside their program, because we need deployment system , and cloud is good for them | 17:34 |
| fthamura | thx | 17:34 |
| fthamura | canonical just said, no ubuntu academy, so openstack segment for this | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | I do not understand | 17:35 |
| fthamura | i asked the canonical, if can work together for promoting training guide, | 17:36 |
| fthamura | they said no interest or program for that, only mike baker, email interest if there are openstack day event | 17:36 |
| fthamura | but HP in progress (HP helion team) | 17:36 |
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| fthamura | if the training is free, need someone sponsor the team to visit the places | 17:37 |
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| sarob | fthamura: sounds like you have been making some great progress | 17:38 |
| fthamura | yes | 17:38 |
| fthamura | HP helion team said end of january will have an event for openstack day, they love to sponsor, need singapore office to approve | 17:38 |
| sarob | fthamura: maybe i can help as part of the ambassador program | 17:38 |
| fthamura | wednesday we have big meeting with HP team | 17:39 |
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| sarob | fthamura: we are creating a trainer team | 17:39 |
| fthamura | dont know, how ambassador fit in this work | 17:39 |
| sarob | fthamura: sounds like you would fit right in | 17:39 |
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| fthamura | i think after contribute more, right now scatter work still :) | 17:39 |
| sarob | fthamura: we will have a separate meeting for implementing the training guides | 17:40 |
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| fthamura | i think title is important for me now ;0 heheh to make these univs trust me and wanna to join the program | 17:40 |
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| fthamura | invite me :) | 17:40 |
| sarob | fthamura: you are invited | 17:40 |
| fthamura | my dream to invite openstack guru to visit this univs, :) | 17:40 |
| sarob | fthamura: done :) | 17:40 |
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| fthamura | any one work with tien-he team, they use big openstack, #1 supercomputer in the world, | 17:41 |
| fthamura | i wish my edu network can link with all openstack center globally | 17:41 |
| fthamura | inspur has been here ;) work with me, but the hardware division | 17:42 |
| sarob | fthamura: put your thoughts and ideas into the etherpad | 17:42 |
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| sarob | fthamura: i really want to help all about it | 17:42 |
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| annegent_ | I'm here, caught up on the backlog :) Thanks for picking a time for discussions | 17:42 |
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| fthamura | thx .. | 17:43 |
| sarob | annegent_: cert. what the doc pod location? | 17:43 |
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| fthamura | there are new regulation regrarding cloud in this country, and this training guide will boom the rural area of indonesia, | 17:43 |
| fthamura | this program is USAID program, one of my mentor is the consultant | 17:43 |
| sarob | fthamura: cool | 17:43 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah i was going to ask the same thing about the doc pod location | 17:44 |
| sarob | fthamura: brain dump into the etherpad, i want to hear all about it | 17:44 |
| annegent_ | ShillaSaebi: no idea | 17:44 |
| fthamura | we call it broadband plan , esp to connect outside java island | 17:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | fthamura that sounds very cool | 17:44 |
| sarob | annegent_: okay just ping me when we find out the location | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | ShillaSaebi: I dont think we need to worry much about the location | 17:45 |
| sarob | annegent_ so i can pass it on | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | It should be in the same building | 17:45 |
| fthamura | i am working to make a openstack box using solar cell, and teach kids to learn what is cloud, and give them scholarship, esp for poor kids that smart | 17:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks sarob that would be great | 17:45 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite sure im not that worried about it. just with the rain and all. i wasnt sure if we had to jump back and forth between buildings | 17:46 |
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| sarob | fthamura: so the virtualbox scripts should be of interest for local builds | 17:47 |
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| fthamura | yes, | 17:47 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I would worry more about the cold than rains but is the summit broken between two buildings? | 17:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes i believe so | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sarob: can you take care of the pending approvals? https://launchpad.net/~openstack-training-guides-core | 17:49 |
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| sarob | rluethi: sorry about that | 17:49 |
| sarob | rluethi: done | 17:50 |
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| rluethi | sarob: thx :) | 17:50 |
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| sayali_ | any feedback on the AV video? | 17:50 |
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| sarob | sayali_ i like it alot | 17:51 |
| sayali_ | I was planning to add another video for osbash | 17:51 |
| sarob | sayali_ i want to brainstorm during the summit on how we promote | 17:51 |
| sayali_ | sarob: great :) | 17:51 |
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| sarob | sayali_ osbash sounds great | 17:51 |
| sayali_ | sarob: sure! | 17:51 |
| sarob | sayali_ get your ideas into the agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit | 17:52 |
| sayali_ | Also for osbash I will share a pad to write the scripts so we can cover all the stuff under it for the video content | 17:52 |
| sayali_ | sarob: yes i will | 17:53 |
| sarob | any other things to discuss before the summit? | 17:53 |
| sarob | i will be in paris from this friday on | 17:53 |
| sarob | i will be hanging out for the first day of the upstream training | 17:54 |
| sarob | on saturday | 17:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 17:54 |
| sarob | i have to miss sunday again :( | 17:54 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i will be arriving on sunday | 17:54 |
| fthamura | i am waiting for all the recording ;) i wish can visit paris, never been there ;) | 17:54 |
| sarob | fthamura me either, but since it will be 45 F and raining most of the time | 17:55 |
| sarob | fthamura you may not be missing much :) | 17:55 |
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| sarob | soggy summit | 17:55 |
| fthamura | hehe ;) thx ;) | 17:56 |
| sarob | okay my friends. | 17:56 |
| sarob | get your agenda topics into the etherpad | 17:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | will do, see ya next week | 17:56 |
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| sayali_ | bye:) | 17:57 |
| sarob | oh and btw, lets cancel this meeting for the next two weeks | 17:57 |
| sarob | is that okay with everyone? | 17:57 |
| rluethi | two? | 17:57 |
| sarob | im guessing that some of us may be a bit jet lagged | 17:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | im good with it, but i will be back from Paris before the 2nd week | 17:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | true | 17:58 |
| sarob | okay im fine with only cancelling next meeting | 17:58 |
| sarob | CHEERS! | 17:58 |
| rluethi | bye. | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 17:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | bye | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 17:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
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| fthamura | bye all :) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-27-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-27-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-10-27-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 18:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 18:00 |
| sweston | o/ | 18:00 |
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| asselin | hi | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | third-party role call | 18:01 |
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| VijayTripathi | Hello everyone | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | hi all, welcome, let's get started with the meeting | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | and here is the agenda for today: | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #link | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | oops | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#10.2F27.2F14 | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | that's better | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | no action items from last week | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | any announcements? | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | I don't have any | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | although I guess I do, I want to remind everyone that we will not have a meeting next week | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | due to summit | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | I have put that on our meeting agenda page | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | but a reminder - no meeting next week | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | only thing here is the summit session, reminder to get it added to your schedule if you are going, I'd like to get everyone's input | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | none here either | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | I added the links for the puppet module split fest as described in last weeks meeting | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | asselin, how are you coming with your split? | 18:08 |
| asselin | I got it started, and updated the spec with more clear instructions: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129768/ | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | if you want, you can set the topic to module-split so we can track it all together, but not abig deal | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | ok, great | 18:09 |
| asselin | I'm going to go through the rest of the stepps today & ref some of the patches I see in today's meeting agenda. | 18:09 |
| asselin | sure, will try that | 18:09 |
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| asselin | topic updated | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | asselin, mmedvede has done a similar steps list for our team internally | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | asselin: let me know when you have something and we can time the freeze for that module | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | but I see he has commented on yours | 18:10 |
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| asselin | anteaya, thanks. I'd like to go through all the steps, then time the freeze, and then redo the 1st steps to sync up the private repo with the frozen one. | 18:11 |
| asselin | since those first few steps are easy to do. | 18:11 |
| mmedvede | asselin: with my split (kibana) I did not have to do any sort of freeze, but that is because it is slow-moving repository | 18:12 |
| anteaya | asselin: good plan | 18:12 |
| asselin | mmedvede, good point. It's possible there were no changes either to mine (jenkins) | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | also mmedvede has noted that there is potentially some loss of git log with git subtree split | 18:12 |
| anteaya | kibana is lower activity then jenkins | 18:12 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: has your split merged? | 18:13 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: yes, first one have merged. The second one (pulling out the module from system-config) is pending | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:module-split,n,z | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | ^^^ shows everything | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: good work! | 18:14 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: jenkins was failing on the second patch (we discussed it in infra), I have fixed it, it seems | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:14 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: thanks | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | I'm not done with my pair yet, second one is pending | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: I'm only around intermittently today, but if the second patch is ready to go, get some attention on it | 18:15 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: good | 18:15 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: ok | 18:15 |
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| mmedvede | it is ready to go, so I would ask in -infra later | 18:16 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: yes | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | yea! I see it passed jenkins | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, did you want to comment on the log loss? | 18:16 |
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| mmedvede | krtaylor: sure | 18:17 |
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| mmedvede | FYI, the 'git subtree' split method will lose history in case there were renames | 18:17 |
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| mmedvede | Something to be aware of. | 18:18 |
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| mmedvede | There is a way around it, and I can describe it if needs to be. But it takes time. And only worth if there is a lot of commits that are left our by subtree | 18:18 |
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| mmedvede | krtaylor: that is all I wanted to mention | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, I guess we can wait and see, maybe add to the spec for instructions to fix | 18:19 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, thanks | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | anything else on the module split? | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | ok, onward then | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | fungi asked to mention the removal of pypi mirror from static.openstack.org | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119466/ | 18:21 |
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| fungi | yes, there are apparently third-party ci operators who are, knowingly or not, using our pypi mirrors instead of running their own or using pypi.python.org | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | ah, ok, thanks fungi | 18:22 |
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| fungi | the citrix xenserver ci broke and had b=to be disabled today because it was still using pypi.openstack.org which is no longer updated since quite a while now | 18:23 |
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| fungi | anyway, that's all. just wanted to make sure everyone was aware to keep an eye out for that in your configurations | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | I saw the disable, that explains it | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | thanks fungi | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | any questions on this? | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | ok, then next | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | ok, not everyone at once :) | 18:26 |
| anteaya | as an fyi I am not going to be availabe the Monday after summit | 18:26 |
| anteaya | not that you need me, you are doing fine on your own | 18:26 |
| fungi | oh, naggappan was asking for third-party ci configuration help in #openstack-dev earlier today. i suggested showing up for this, but looks like the recommendation was ignored | 18:26 |
| anteaya | good work krtaylor | 18:26 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks for trying | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | OH, I forgot to add CI self check to the agenda | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, thanks | 18:27 |
| asselin | I suppose no meeting next monday. | 18:27 |
| fungi | also, seems the openstack meetbot isn't updating the channel topic | 18:27 |
| anteaya | I think we decided no meeting next monday | 18:27 |
| anteaya | but haven't announced it anywhere | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | asselin, yes I added that to the agenda page as a reminder also | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | fungi: good eye, I hadn't noticed | 18:28 |
| dougwig | to double-check, devstack-gate isn't using a bad pypi mirror, right? | 18:28 |
| anteaya | fungi: I wonder why | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | fungi: the meetbot commands seem accurate | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | hm, yeah | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | #topic test 123 | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | nope | 18:29 |
| fungi | anteaya: it's missing channel operator perms. probably lost them in a netslipt. i'm fixing now | 18:29 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 18:29 |
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| clarkb | dougwig: not in the upstream testing. copy_mirror_config in devstack-gate expects a working mirror setup that can be copied though | 18:29 |
| clarkb | dougwig: our nodepool does this for us but puppet or any other config management could too | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | yea, that worked | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | thanks fungi | 18:30 |
| fungi | sure thing | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | let's see, last week I noted that hyper-v had a static IP, but I haven't checked to see if that got fixed | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | did anyone else notice any CI systems with strange results comments, ect? | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | hyper-v did reply to my email that they are going to fix their IP | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | ok, everyone is quiet today | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | if we are winding down then I'll let everybody have 25 minutes back | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 18:35 |
| * krtaylor likes the calm week before summit | 18:35 | |
| asselin | my devstack-gate changes are still pending reviews | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | asselin, link? | 18:35 |
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| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123578/ | 18:36 |
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| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122896/ | 18:36 |
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| asselin | I've been cherry-picking them for my own ci system | 18:36 |
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| asselin | maybe I should change the topic? | 18:37 |
| anteaya | asselin: the second one is ready to go | 18:37 |
| anteaya | find sdague and request a +A | 18:37 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: I would like to have that merged | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:37 |
| asselin | need another core no? | 18:37 |
| anteaya | asselin: yes and sdague is a core | 18:38 |
| asselin | (after it merges, I'll rebase the dependent one....) | 18:38 |
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| anteaya | oh the parent is ready to go | 18:38 |
| anteaya | isn't | 18:38 |
| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123578/ needs to merge first and only has 1 core | 18:38 |
| asselin | which is sdague | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | both have one core | 18:39 |
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| ociuhandu | krtaylor: sorry, missed the first part due to the hour change here :( We sent out the request for the FQDN in Microsoft, hope to have that sorted out asap | 18:39 |
| anteaya | asselin: yes, sorry I mis-understood | 18:39 |
| asselin | anteaya, np | 18:39 |
| asselin | need to find more devstack-gate cores | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, no worries, yes I mentioned that you had replied | 18:40 |
| anteaya | asselin: it is sdague and infra-core | 18:41 |
| asselin | jhesketh can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123578/1 | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | hm, maybe thats why it is so light today, time change | 18:41 |
| asselin | anteaya, ok thanks | 18:41 |
| anteaya | asselin: he is asleep | 18:41 |
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| anteaya | jhesketh is in tasmania | 18:41 |
| asselin | ok I can ping -infra after the meeting | 18:41 |
| anteaya | asselin: kk | 18:41 |
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| krtaylor | sounds like a plan | 18:42 |
| clarkb | note I already "reviewed" those changes and dn't see a reasonfor them to exist | 18:42 |
| clarkb | the first is a reasonable refactor but the second is unnecessary | 18:42 |
| * krtaylor looks | 18:42 | |
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| krtaylor | asselin, any questions for clarkb | 18:44 |
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| asselin | clarkb and I discussed it a while ago. we agreed to get more opinions for other cores, if i remember right. | 18:44 |
| clarkb | yup | 18:44 |
| asselin | clarkb, maybe you could add you comments to the patch? | 18:44 |
| clarkb | I can leave them there | 18:45 |
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| asselin | so for everyone else, the pre-clean hook can just be done as a post-clean hook, which can be done external to the devstack-gate script, although with a bit more complexity | 18:45 |
| clarkb | I think its simpler | 18:46 |
| clarkb | not more complex | 18:46 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, ^^^ | 18:46 |
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| asselin | right, we disagree on simple vs. complex, and decided to get more opinions from other cores. | 18:47 |
| asselin | (honestly I can go either way....) | 18:47 |
| asselin | but still think hooks are simpler :) | 18:48 |
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| clarkb | the counter to that is we have tons of confusion around the existing hooks. the existing hooks need to run in the context of d-g so we can't really get rid of them | 18:48 |
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| asselin | anyone else with an opinion? | 18:49 |
| clarkb | but there is always a lot of confusion when people add jobs around what they are getting when using a hook. (are all services running? what permissions does current user have, if I override a hook like gate_hook what ends up needing to be done redundanty, and so on) | 18:49 |
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| clarkb | if however you just run a script prior to and after running d-g the person running that script is in complete control | 18:50 |
| clarkb | this is simple and not confusing | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: has had a lot of experience maintaining this sort of thing | 18:50 |
| anteaya | especially picking up devs who have fallen down on it | 18:51 |
| anteaya | I defer to his opinion | 18:51 |
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| asselin | ok, so if noone else objects, I can abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122896/ | 18:51 |
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| dougwig | i'm a case study in not using the hooks correctly, since i use sed to insert my own in-between devstack setup and tempest in d-g. | 18:51 |
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| asselin | ok, no objections, so no hooks. | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | 7 minutes | 18:53 |
| asselin | no new hooks | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | any other comments? | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well I think we are done here then | 18:54 |
| mmedvede | I missed it, I still kind of liked the hooks, but oh well | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | remember no meeting next week, and I'll send email reminder | 18:54 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, lets move it to infra | 18:54 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, hope to see you in Paris! | 18:55 |
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| sweston | thanks, everyone !! | 18:55 |
| dougwig | bye | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 18:55:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-27-18.00.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-27-18.00.txt | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-10-27-18.00.log.html | 18:55 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 18:55 |
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| NobodyCam | morning Ironicers | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 19:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | who's here | 19:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
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| naohirot | Hello all, I'm from Fujitsu. I joined today to learn how the meeting is proceeding. Because I added a new topic, iRMC driver, for the next meeting. | 19:00 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:00 |
| yjiang5 | hi | 19:00 |
| Nisha_ | hi | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | hi all, devananda will be a few minutes late this morning | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | one week until we get to see each other f2f | 19:01 |
| jroll | woohoo! | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | sorry I'm late | 19:02 |
| rloo | o/ | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | anyone have any announcements of such | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome devananda :) | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | your nit late | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | not even | 19:02 |
| devananda | no announcements here | 19:02 |
| devananda | aside from the obvious "omg the conference is next week" general chaos :) | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome.. okay at teh last meeting we decided to keep this meeting focused on summit topics | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | so I am bypassing the normal adgenda | 19:03 |
| mjturek | o/ | 19:03 |
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| devananda | we're so organized today, look, I even updated the wiki page to say that! | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | heheheh | 19:04 |
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| jgrimm | o/ late | 19:04 |
| devananda | so, in case anyone hasn't seen it, I did post the discussed summit sessions to the official places | 19:04 |
| devananda | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ironic | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | #topic "K" summit planning | 19:05 |
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| devananda | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ironic | 19:05 |
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| devananda | if folks want to discuss those, think there really needs to be changes to the main track agenda, now's the time to speak up | 19:05 |
| devananda | I'll give a few minutes for everyone to review | 19:05 |
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| rloo | it doesn't show the operators' one. That's on Monday, right? | 19:05 |
| devananda | rloo: correct. in a different track | 19:06 |
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| devananda | that link only lists the official "ironic" design track | 19:06 |
| devananda | not our sessions in other tracks, sessions of initerst to us, etc | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: this will: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/?s=ironic | 19:06 |
| devananda | ah, good link NobodyCam | 19:06 |
| rloo | thx NobodyCam. Now I know who devananda is ;) | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:07 |
| devananda | there are also some slots in other tracks that don't explicitly say "ironic" which are probably very interesting to some of you | 19:07 |
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| devananda | nova scheduler discussions, in-project functional testing, docs, etc ... | 19:07 |
| devananda | I'm happy to discuss those now, provide links to the ones I know, if that would be helpful to folks? | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | cross project dependices? | 19:08 |
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| devananda | well 0- not just yet. let's give a few more minutes for everyoneto review the main ironic sessions | 19:08 |
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| rloo | would it be worth putting links in an etherpad or somewhere accessible when I'm at the summit? | 19:08 |
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| devananda | rloo: I have found etherpads to be terrible references at a conference | 19:08 |
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| devananda | they requrie a laptop; accessing them from my phone is bad | 19:09 |
| devananda | rloo: so I'd propose we sue https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=101783491 for that | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | I keep getting kicked from them at the conf | 19:09 |
| rloo | devananda: ok. that's fine. I'll probably just follow the other ironic folks around anyway :) | 19:09 |
| devananda | tab 3 | 19:09 |
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| mtreinish | devananda: I'm not sure how flexible your sched is but there's overlap between your functional test session, nova's, and a similar qa session | 19:09 |
| devananda | google spreadsheet is easy to cache | 19:09 |
| devananda | mtreinish: indeed there is, thanks for pointing it out | 19:09 |
| mtreinish | I also need to bug mikal about it again when he's awake | 19:10 |
| devananda | mtreinish: my goal for the ironic session is to discuss hwo we want to implement it | 19:10 |
| devananda | whereas I imagine the qa session is broader and will inform what we talk about | 19:10 |
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| devananda | however, time overlap with Nova is going to be tricky -- I'll need to see if mikal can reschedule his so that some of us can attend | 19:11 |
| mtreinish | devananda: yeah the qa is going to be more about how do we migrate from having everything functional black box be in tempest to more spread out in the projects | 19:11 |
| mtreinish | and what that means for tempest policy moving forward | 19:11 |
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| devananda | functional testing of nova.virt.ironic and where that lives is going to be important as well, which is what mikal and I should figure out | 19:12 |
| devananda | mtreinish: when is the qa session? | 19:13 |
| mtreinish | devananda: the same time as the ironic and nova functional testing ones :) | 19:13 |
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| mtreinish | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/9dbde26cced67b54d24176b746d3027e#.VE6ZZ3_tljE | 19:13 |
| devananda | oh haha | 19:13 |
| devananda | that's terrible | 19:13 |
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| devananda | i didn't realize the TIME was the same too | 19:14 |
| rloo | why isn't the QA one in the cross-project track? | 19:14 |
| devananda | mtreinish: you can't bump that to thurs afternoon? | 19:14 |
| mtreinish | rloo: there is also a proposed cross project session for functional testing | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | rloo: this is more about the specifics of how we change tempest | 19:15 |
| devananda | er, i mean wed. afternoon | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | devananda: yeah I can move it around a bit | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | I just wanted to connect with you and mikal before I do that | 19:15 |
| devananda | mtreinish: ironic slots are wed. morning | 19:16 |
| mtreinish | ok, well that makes avoiding that conflict easy :) | 19:16 |
| devananda | indeed | 19:16 |
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| devananda | that said, it also means there's no point in us talking about how irnoic will implement it on wed. morning | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | that would free up a slot for something else? | 19:17 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes | 19:17 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: the other angle on that session was going to be how we make Ironic more stand-alone (and thereby how we could test it in such a configuragion) | 19:18 |
| devananda | is it worth still having a session to go over that work? | 19:18 |
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| jroll | devananda: I would love to test ironic standalone | 19:18 |
| mtreinish | devananda: well the qa track discussion should be somewhat independent | 19:19 |
| mtreinish | because it's more about the tempest policy around removing tests | 19:19 |
| jroll | devananda: and/or talk about how we want to do functional testing | 19:19 |
| mtreinish | and the criteria for new tests | 19:19 |
| jroll | I think it's worth a slot | 19:19 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: yes i think so. if we have extra time we ca pick a secondary topic too | 19:19 |
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| mtreinish | what you guys want to have for your in-tree testing should be fairly ironic specific | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | but I think that will be a largish topic on it own | 19:20 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: more related to tempest-lib, then? | 19:20 |
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| devananda | jroll, NobodyCam: cool. taht's my sense as well. I'll update the session title to clarify it | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | :) +1 | 19:22 |
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| mtreinish | devananda: yeah, I imagine the tempest-lib session will decide some of your internal implementation choices | 19:22 |
| mtreinish | I'm really hoping the cross project functional testing topic get's picked up | 19:22 |
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| mtreinish | so we can decide on common framework stuff there and leave the tempest-lib conversation for more the implementation details in tempest->tempest-lib | 19:23 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: ++ | 19:24 |
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| devananda | are there other conflicts anyone's noticed? | 19:25 |
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| devananda | (I'll take no answer to mean "no") | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:28 |
| devananda | #topic summit extra-curricular activities | 19:28 |
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| jroll | this is the best part :P | 19:28 |
| devananda | I had raised the idea of a team dinner or BoF session a while back | 19:28 |
| devananda | before concrete schedules were known | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: wants us to drink because he's not going to be there | 19:29 |
| devananda | I'm going to be unfortunately busy thurs night with the TC dinner | 19:30 |
| jroll | I'd prefer monday or tuesday for a team thing, personally | 19:30 |
| JayF | I'd love a team dinner, and for selfish personal reasons would like it to be any day but Wednesday :) | 19:30 |
| aweeks | heh | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | dinner may be tuff with all the partys | 19:30 |
| devananda | wed. many of us are going to be busy | 19:30 |
| jroll | wednesday is the core reviewer party thing | 19:30 |
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| devananda | jroll: right | 19:30 |
| devananda | monday or tuesday would probably be best. I can skip out on some of my obligations those nights | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | mon , tue, and wed are tuff | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:31 |
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| yjiang5 | JayF: Feel so hungry when hearing the dinner discussion. | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | would breakfest work? | 19:31 |
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| devananda | I'd also be thrilled if ya'll get together w/o me | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: breakfast may be the best option, schedule wise | 19:32 |
| devananda | how about tuesday morning? | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | I could do that | 19:32 |
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| JayF | Assuming they have breakfast that doesn't consist of a bagutte and/or croissant | 19:32 |
| JayF | lol | 19:32 |
| jroll | tuesday morning is fine for me | 19:33 |
| devananda | can I get a quick count of folks who could make a tuesday 8am breakfast? | 19:33 |
| jroll | assuming Shrews doesn't make me drink at breakfast | 19:33 |
| jroll | \o | 19:33 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:33 |
| JayF | \o | 19:33 |
| * NobodyCam has been wanting creps for well over a month now | 19:33 | |
| devananda | #vote should we have a tuesday morning 8am breakfast? | 19:34 |
| rloo | maybe (I like to sleep in) | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo ++ | 19:34 |
| devananda | hmm. that didn't work | 19:34 |
| wanyen | maybe | 19:34 |
| jroll | sleeping is overrated :P | 19:34 |
| devananda | #startvote should we have a tuesday morning 8am breakfast? | 19:34 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we have a tuesday morning 8am breakfast? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 19:34 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:34 |
| jroll | #vote Yes | 19:34 |
| devananda | there we go | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | Yes | 19:34 |
| JayF | #vote Yes | 19:34 |
| JoshNang | #vote Yes | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | #vote Yes | 19:34 |
| devananda | #vote Yes | 19:34 |
| * JayF hands NobodyCam a #vote | 19:34 | |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | ty JayF | 19:35 |
| devananda | if you would prefer to have a team dinner, vote "no" | 19:35 |
| devananda | and I will do a seaprate vote for that | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | we could do both | 19:35 |
| JayF | I think we should attempt to have a team dinner, even if folks can't be there | 19:35 |
| rloo | #vote No | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | #vote No | 19:36 |
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| devananda | (giving it another 30 seconds) | 19:36 |
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| wanyen | prefer dinner | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: vote no then please | 19:37 |
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| wanyen | vote No | 19:37 |
| devananda | wanyen: you need to use a # mark, like "#vote no" | 19:37 |
| wanyen | #vote No | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:37 |
| devananda | #endvote | 19:37 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we have a tuesday morning 8am breakfast?" Results are | 19:37 |
| devananda | ... | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | drum roll | 19:38 |
| jroll | must be a heavy db query | 19:38 |
| rloo | too many votes... takes longer... | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:38 |
| devananda | dramatic pause | 19:39 |
| JayF | IRC is tcp, right? | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | hehehhe | 19:39 |
| jroll | or maybe rabbit died | 19:39 |
| * devananda wonders if the bot died | 19:39 | |
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| JayF | Does the robot have a stuck lock? | 19:39 |
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| * devananda counts by hand | 19:39 | |
| devananda | yes: 5 no: 3 | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | luv's tech | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | I would be ok with having both B and D | 19:40 |
| devananda | #startvote should we have a Monday evening gathering instead? | 19:40 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we have a Monday evening gathering instead? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 19:40 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:40 |
| JayF | devananda: tht matches my log count | 19:40 |
| devananda | JayF: thanks | 19:40 |
| JayF | #vote yes | 19:40 |
| rloo | #vote yes | 19:40 |
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| jroll | "instead is a weird word" | 19:40 |
| * JayF clarifies; he thinks we should have both | 19:40 | |
| wanyen | #vote yes | 19:40 |
| jroll | err. | 19:40 |
| jroll | "instead" is a weird word. | 19:40 |
| jroll | #vote yes | 19:40 |
| devananda | #vote no | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | #vote yes | 19:41 |
| rameshg87 | #vote yes | 19:41 |
| rameshg87 | :) | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | though I may not be ableto make it. but will try | 19:41 |
| JoshNang | #vote yes | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | #vote Yes | 19:41 |
| jroll | what else is happening monday night? | 19:41 |
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| devananda | jroll: there's a booth crawl 5 - 7 or something like that | 19:42 |
| jroll | meh :) | 19:42 |
| devananda | and some companies have their internal/private get togethers at taht time | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | and hp employee party? | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:42 |
| devananda | and at 8pm Mirantis is throwing the underground party | 19:42 |
| devananda | http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/5c3f044471d857d8cff5de124f838040 | 19:42 |
| jroll | cool | 19:42 |
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| wanyen | Can we have dinner on other night? | 19:43 |
| devananda | wanyen: only other option for me is friday | 19:43 |
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| rloo | breakfast might be the best option | 19:43 |
| devananda | #endvote | 19:43 |
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| openstack | Voted on "should we have a Monday evening gathering instead?" Results are | 19:43 |
| wanyen | I see | 19:43 |
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| devananda | bot apparently does not want to tally our votes | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | lol it wants us to have both | 19:44 |
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| devananda | votes for monday dinner: yes 8, no 1 | 19:44 |
| devananda | that's a clear winner over breakfast | 19:44 |
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| devananda | (and I was the only objection) | 19:45 |
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| devananda | so monday night dinner it is | 19:45 |
| devananda | #agreed monday night team dinner in paris | 19:45 |
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| jroll | fwiw, I'll be going to breakfast tuesday morning and folks are welcome to join me :P | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 19:46 |
| rloo | are folks going to bail out of dinner if devananda doesn't show? | 19:46 |
| JayF | My only concern with devananda not showing | 19:46 |
| JayF | is that we might not go to a place I can eat :) | 19:46 |
| JayF | hah | 19:46 |
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| devananda | I'd like to be there :) | 19:47 |
| jroll | I'm living on baguettes the entire time | 19:47 |
| jroll | and so excited to do so | 19:47 |
| devananda | jroll: poison! | 19:47 |
| rloo | pain au chocolat :D | 19:47 |
| jroll | :D | 19:47 |
| devananda | do ya'll want to do something more formal (like, reserve it in advance) | 19:47 |
| devananda | or just gather somewhere, wander off, and see what you find? | 19:47 |
| JayF | I think that's prudent, especially if you and I are both going to be there and need dietary considerations | 19:48 |
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| NobodyCam | i'd be up for the see what you find option | 19:48 |
| rloo | I think JayF should suggest something | 19:48 |
| JayF | rloo: I think someone who can read french should suggest something.... and tell me their rates for being my personal guide all week :P | 19:49 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:49 |
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| rloo | I think liver and onions might be gluten free | 19:49 |
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| jroll | http://glutenfreemom.com/travel_gluten_free/paris/ | 19:49 |
| JayF | rloo: gravy starts with a roux | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | omg the meeting started already? :( damn DST | 19:49 |
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| * lucasagomes will read the logs | 19:49 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes: hi there! we assigned you everything :) | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, hah oh noes | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | lo | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:50 |
| jroll | people keep talking about DST, did it change in europe or? | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, it did yesterday | 19:50 |
| jroll | aha | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | but I forgot | 19:50 |
| jroll | it changes next week here I think | 19:50 |
| devananda | jroll: yes. US time is crazypants | 19:50 |
| jroll | time zones are crazypants | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, lol | 19:50 |
| jroll | I hate them | 19:50 |
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| jroll | utc all the things | 19:51 |
| devananda | ++ | 19:51 |
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| devananda | jroll: tshirt that | 19:51 |
| jroll | (including people) | 19:51 |
| JayF | People in US get to escape DST | 19:51 |
| jroll | ha | 19:51 |
| JayF | because US switches while we're gone, and Paris already switched | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | and it's holiday here so, I wasn't paying much attention to time | 19:51 |
| JayF | so we just get slightly asymetric jet lag | 19:51 |
| jroll | jet lag will hit harder than DST :P | 19:51 |
| devananda | it seems like we're done with that particular discussion | 19:51 |
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| jroll | indeed | 19:51 |
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| lucasagomes | yup move on | 19:51 |
| devananda | let's follow up with details of when/where via email (directly to folks, not on ML) | 19:52 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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| naohirot | devananda: May I interrupt a little bit? I'd like to have some advice. | 19:52 |
| naohirot | I'm preparing the blueprint for iRMC driver. Is there anything else I should do by the next meeting? | 19:52 |
| JayF | I'll be putting in the beginnings of a spec for node/hardware capabilities -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/exposing-hardware-capabilities this afternoon, and anyone who wants to help expand on it or work on the implementation is very welcome to | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | I have a general question, how do we handle say blue prints assigned to someone who is not responding | 19:52 |
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| JayF | other than getting the idea through hand helping reivew, I don't think I'll have time to give hardware capabilities the TLC it will need | 19:53 |
| jroll | naohirot: do you know our spec process? | 19:53 |
| JayF | so anyone who wants to spend some time on that particular topic, please LMK. I'll make sure the spec is linked into the channel before I leave work today | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | naohirot, submit a spec, and also next week I believe we won't have a meeting because of the summit | 19:53 |
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| naohirot | a little bit, I'm learning. | 19:53 |
| jroll | naohirot: we don't really need to talk about blueprints in meetings, we just get the spec approved and start coding :) | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | naohirot, https://github.com/openstack/ironic-specs/blob/master/README.rst | 19:53 |
| naohirot | I know the next meeting is Nov. 17th | 19:54 |
| jroll | right | 19:54 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: we email them. if someone else wants to work on it and author is non responsive, propose a new BP, or ask me to unassign it | 19:54 |
| jroll | naohirot: once you have the spec up for review, we'll start looking at it... feel free to drop a link in #openstack-ironic as well :) | 19:54 |
| naohirot | Unfortunately I cannot go to Paris. | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: this is in ref to cinder stuff | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | this = my question | 19:55 |
| naohirot | jroll: Okay | 19:55 |
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| naohirot | I hope that the summit goes well. | 19:55 |
| jroll | :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I'd ping other cinder cores then, since that's a cinder issue | 19:55 |
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| devananda | oh, minor announcement - I may not make the Nov 17th meeting | 19:55 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam or lucasagomes - will either of you be able to lead that one? | 19:56 |
| devananda | I will probably be on a plane at that time | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yup, no problem for me | 19:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: great, thanks | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/cinder-integration | 19:56 |
| * lucasagomes adds to the calendar | 19:57 | |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: we got ya covered | 19:57 |
| devananda | JayF: if you're proposing a spec that you dont have time to implement, please indicate that lclearly in the "asignee" portion | 19:57 |
| devananda | we shouldn't approve the spec until someone steps up to work on tjhe code, IMO, but I can be convinced otherwise | 19:57 |
| JayF | devananda: absolutely will; this is w/r/t what we talked about last week | 19:58 |
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| devananda | JayF: yup. and cheers for working on the spec. | 19:58 |
| JayF | devananda: and agree with you about finding someone to shepherd it before approval | 19:58 |
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| wanyen | NobodyCam, iLO driver team plan to look into cinder integration in L release | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | oh that's nice, boot from volumes? | 19:59 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: fwiw, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/blueprints/cinder-integration | 19:59 |
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| wanyen | yes | 19:59 |
| devananda | looks like hemna wrote that up about a year ago | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: thats the soec I was reffering to | 19:59 |
| devananda | wanyen: are you working with Walter Boring on that? | 20:00 |
| devananda | oops, we're out of time! | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting all | 20:00 |
| wanyen | Devananda, not lately. We had a few meetings about that a while back. | 20:00 |
| naohirot | thanks | 20:00 |
| devananda | thanks all -- can't wait to see you in Paris next week! | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 20:00:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-27-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-27-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-10-27-19.00.log.html | 20:01 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting kolla | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 20:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:01 |
| sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
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| daneyon | here | 20:01 |
| sdake_ | howdy folks! | 20:01 |
| jrist | o/ | 20:01 |
| larsks | Howdy! | 20:01 |
| radez | here | 20:01 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | #topic agenda | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | there be the agenda, anyone have anything to add? | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | we should likley discuss meeting schedule for the next two weeks as a result of summit | 20:03 |
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| larsks | sdake_: nothing to add from me. | 20:04 |
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| sdake_ | #topic Review goals of regarding Neutron in milestone #2 | 20:04 |
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| sdake_ | daneyon milestone #2 is scheduled for friday | 20:04 |
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| sdake_ | is that a possibility for your current work? | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | or is that not possible | 20:05 |
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| daneyon | i think it may need to move to milestone #3. | 20:05 |
| * larsks agrees. | 20:05 | |
| sdake_ | how many weeks of dev do you tihnk it will require? | 20:05 |
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| daneyon | I am running down to my last few hours of getting multi-interfce working using docker-spotter. then I have to begin preparing for my Paris responsabilities. | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | ok | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | well since there is only 1 week, perhaps we should reschedule mliestone 2 | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | when i made the schedule originally i didn't account for summit ;) | 20:06 |
| larsks | sdake_: maybe we should push it to summit + 2 weeks? | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | and last week i think people were takinga breather :) | 20:07 |
| daneyon | i would say 2 weeks after Paris, but it depends on the solution that we agree upon. i know the temp fix using spotter was not so well received. | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | ya that totally wfm | 20:07 |
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| sdake_ | daneyon i personally dont care if its perfect | 20:07 |
| daneyon | agree sumit + 2 weeks | 20:07 |
| larsks | daneyon: code for "lars whined about it" :) Don't take my response as remotely authoritative! | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | i think having it work is important | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | and be reliable | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | is critical though | 20:07 |
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| sdake_ | will the spotter mechanism be reliable and work? | 20:07 |
| jrist | lol larsks | 20:07 |
| daneyon | my biggest challenge is spotter.go | 20:08 |
| larsks | daneyon: what is the challenge there? | 20:08 |
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| daneyon | Can anyone tell if spotter.go should be able to use a regex for the container name? If so, then it's a big win. | 20:08 |
| sdake_ | #info milestone #2 moved to November 21st | 20:08 |
| sdake_ | daneyon i am not hip enoug hto have the answer sorry :) | 20:09 |
| daneyon | If not, then what about a container Hostname instead of a container name. the hostname (ie nova-network) is consistent. | 20:09 |
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| sdake_ | so re milestone #2, i think the defining feature is pretty much neutron | 20:10 |
| larsks | I think hostname is probably okay. If we wanted to be more careful, we should key off a specially named environment variable (SPOTTER_CONFIGURE_NETWORK=1 or something). | 20:10 |
| larsks | But hostname should be fine for our use case, I think. | 20:10 |
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| daneyon | I am using spotter to run pipework kbr-ex 0/0 whenever it sees a contaienr start/stop/restart with a name nova-network (can also use neutron-openvswitch-agent) to create the veth for the 2nd interface. | 20:10 |
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| sdake_ | #topic Milestone #2 blueprint assignment | 20:11 |
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| sdake_ | nsaje howdy! | 20:11 |
| daneyon | since the container names include a hash of some sort, spotter never implements the pipework command. I have successfully tested when I manually name the container nova-network. | 20:11 |
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| sdake_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-2 | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | anything in there for milestone #2 that should be pushed out past nov 21st? | 20:12 |
| daneyon | larsks: agree on using the ENV | 20:12 |
| larsks | daneyon: let's call that a decision, then :) | 20:12 |
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| larsks | sdake_: does "kube-centos-port" mean "convert everything to centos" or "maintain two separate sets of images"? | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | two sets | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | three in the future with other distros | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | etc | 20:13 |
| larsks | Then I think we should push that out. | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | i am working on it this morning | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | i am almost done :) | 20:13 |
| daneyon | larsks: cool. I just can't tell if the spotter.go code can use an ENV instead of a container name. Can you tell? https://github.com/discordianfish/docker-spotter/blob/master/spotter.go | 20:13 |
| larsks | If we are still missing key services, now is not the time to be working on debugging version skew between centos/fedora. | 20:13 |
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| larsks | So I vote for pushing that out at least to ml3, if not further. | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | centos makes kolla more attractive to devs | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | since it means we have a multi distro os model | 20:14 |
| daneyon | agree, I think all hands on deck to get core svcs working. | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | i get the version skew | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | how about this | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | fedora = supported | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | everything else = not supported | 20:14 |
| larsks | I also think that supporting multiple versions is going to unnecessarily difficult until we have better config management in place. | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | your on your own, but its there to look at | 20:14 |
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| sdake_ | we can add those notes to the release notes | 20:14 |
| larsks | daneyon: Oh, I imagine we would need to patch spotter for that feature. If it will work with hostnames, just do that for now. | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | radez jpeeler rhallisey thoughts on centos | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | i am super in favor of integrating that work sooner rather then later | 20:15 |
| daneyon | larsks: OK. I will try hostnames. | 20:15 |
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| sdake_ | with any caveats deemed apprioriate | 20:16 |
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| radez | I think it would give us a good basis to know what it may look like | 20:16 |
| rhallisey | sdake_, sorry I was a tad late | 20:16 |
| radez | maybe not supported but we can do some work on it to get an impression of what it will take to port | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | we can even put a big warning in the TLD saying "DONT USE THIS PLEASE USE FEDORA" as a filename | 20:16 |
| jpeeler | sdake_: i tend to agree it's a bit soon, but if you do that it's probably fine ^ | 20:16 |
| radez | sdake_: I'd like to work on that centos port, but I'm tied up till after Paris to get staryted on it | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | radez i've almost got it finished this morning | 20:16 |
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| radez | heh | 20:16 |
| larsks | sdake_: for all the images? and tested? | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | just loooking fo rfeedback if you think its helpful or not | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | not tested | 20:17 |
| radez | that's just how it wlil be for me for another week or two... folks be stealin' my hackin' | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | for all images = lots of ln stuff | 20:17 |
| larsks | sdake_: are we agreed that we should push this out for now? It sounds like it. | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | radez w epushed out to nov 21 milestone #2 | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | i dont understand the concern if there are caveats | 20:18 |
| radez | ack, I saw | 20:18 |
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| larsks | sdake_: the concern is that there are other things on which we should be spending our limited resources. | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | resources have been spent - patches nearly done | 20:18 |
| larsks | sdake_: and that by introducing new platforms without appropriate config management in place we are rapidly going to end up with an unmaintainable pile of code. | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | caveat in new dirs - don't use - this is wip | 20:19 |
| larsks | Anyway, enough discussion. Shall we vote? | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | sure | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | core's only please | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | +1 | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | wait | 20:19 |
| * larsks notes that "+1" means work on centos as part of ml2 "-1" means delay until ml3+ | 20:20 | |
| sdake_ | right :) | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | thanks thtas what the wait was for :) | 20:20 |
| larsks | -1 | 20:20 |
| * sdake_ too self centered i guess | 20:20 | |
| daneyon | -1 | 20:20 |
| radez | I'm a bit on the fence | 20:20 |
| rhallisey | I'm going to have to -1, want to see more progress on the service front first | 20:20 |
| radez | I think with paris I'll go -1 thought | 20:21 |
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| jpeeler | -1 for now | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | well then wfm i'll push that out | 20:21 |
| daneyon | iwould like to see the fedora stuff kicking butt before supporting another distro. | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | ok so lets move on | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | we got a bunch of blueprints without owners | 20:21 |
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| sdake_ | zaqar anyone want to take this? | 20:22 |
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| sdake_ | should be relatively straight forward | 20:22 |
| rhallisey | sdake_, sure I'll take it | 20:22 |
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| jpeeler | i'll take that one | 20:22 |
| jpeeler | argh, too late | 20:22 |
| sdake_ | horizon? | 20:22 |
| larsks | I will take config-outside-container unless you really want it sdake, because that's one I care about. | 20:22 |
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| rhallisey | doesnt metter to me jpeeler | 20:22 |
| sdake_ | larsks works for me you take that one | 20:22 |
| radez | I'll take os-config | 20:22 |
| radez | os-cloud-config-in-base that is | 20:22 |
| sdake_ | ok go ahead and assign yourselves then and dlets have a refresh in 1 minute on the page | 20:22 |
| radez | hm, I don't see how to assign myself? | 20:23 |
| jpeeler | rhallisey: i kind of want it if you don't care - trying to keep work here overlapping with heat fairly strongly | 20:23 |
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| rhallisey | jpeeler, ya sure take it, I'll try horizon | 20:23 |
| larsks | I vote for making horizon a higher priority than zaqar... | 20:23 |
| radez | +1 | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | larsks anyone can set priorties | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | feel free to change | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | these are jus tmy guesses :) | 20:24 |
| larsks | Yes, but we should only decide as a group. | 20:24 |
| rhallisey | nvm larsks has it | 20:24 |
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| sdake_ | rhallisey he jus twants to change the prio you can still do the work | 20:24 |
| rhallisey | ok | 20:24 |
| sdake_ | so its high rather then low iiuc | 20:24 |
| larsks | sdake_: oh, he is planning on working on it too :) | 20:24 |
| radez | sdake_: if I don't see a place to take a blueprint how to I put my name on it? | 20:24 |
| daneyon | sdake: I can't seem to assign myself to the cluster vip bp. | 20:25 |
| rhallisey | larsks, sure I'll join you | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | working on which | 20:25 |
| * sdake_ ughs | 20:25 | |
| larsks | rhallisey: yay! | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | daneyon i'll add you after the meeting ok? | 20:25 |
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| sdake_ | radez click "assigned to" and clikc your name | 20:25 |
| daneyon | sdake: thx | 20:25 |
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| radez | sdake_: I don't have a link to do that on the page | 20:25 |
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| sdake_ | so we basically have 3 weeks of work time available of which 1 week is recovery from ODS | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | so more like 2 weeks | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | I feel like we can bring more content into m1 | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | radez which one i'll set | 20:26 |
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| radez | os-cloud-config-in-base | 20:26 |
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| sdake_ | launchpad just imploded | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | can someone else try to set it? | 20:27 |
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| larsks | assigned radez to os-cloud-config | 20:28 |
| radez | thx larsks | 20:28 |
| daneyon | larsks: I'll take this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/cluster-vip | 20:28 |
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| larsks | daneyon: okay, but that is currently set for milestone 3... | 20:29 |
| sdake_ | #topic Milestone #3 blueprint review | 20:29 |
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| larsks | daneyon: but you are now assigned! | 20:29 |
| sdake_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-3 | 20:29 |
| daneyon | larsks: OK, thx. | 20:29 |
| larsks | sdake_: that url is a 404. | 20:30 |
| jpeeler | milestone is mispelled https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/mliestone-3 | 20:30 |
| rhallisey | sdake_, that link failed | 20:30 |
| jpeeler | *misspelled | 20:30 |
| sdake | wfm? | 20:30 |
| larsks | sdake: mis spelled | 20:30 |
| sdake | oh your right mispelled | 20:30 |
| daneyon | milestone 3 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/mliestone-3 | 20:30 |
| sdake | trove and sahara | 20:31 |
| sdake | foliks seem interested in full coverage | 20:31 |
| sdake | so seems like those would be naturals to pull into milestone #2 | 20:31 |
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| sdake | any takers? | 20:32 |
| sdake | i'll take sahara | 20:32 |
| larsks | milestone #2? Or #3? | 20:32 |
| sdake | #2 | 20:32 |
| sdake | atm I have nothing assigned for milestone #2 | 20:32 |
| larsks | Okay. | 20:32 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I can take trove and maybe larsks and I can combine for horizon | 20:33 |
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| sdake | cool your set | 20:33 |
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| sdake | #topic milestone #3 schedule | 20:34 |
| sdake_ | #topic milestone #3 schedule | 20:34 |
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| sdake | dec 12 makes the most sense to me | 20:35 |
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| sdake | then we can shut down for holidays for 3-4 weeks | 20:35 |
| sdake | any objections to dec 12? | 20:35 |
| daneyon | +1 on 12/12 | 20:35 |
| larsks | +1 for 12/12 | 20:35 |
| rhallisey | +1 | 20:35 |
| sdake | cool | 20:35 |
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| sdake | if you have more ideas for blueprints, feel free to file them away | 20:36 |
| sdake | and we can jam them into milestone #3 | 20:36 |
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| sdake | atm, milestone #3 is a little thin | 20:36 |
| sdake | but maybe it will fill out later | 20:36 |
| sdake_ | #topic summit design session | 20:36 |
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| sdake | just a note for folks at summit, larsks will be leading a design summit session for Kolla | 20:36 |
| sdake | larsks, have a link handy? | 20:37 |
| larsks | Just a sec... | 20:37 |
| larsks | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/14b3884522b5501a71404b481d5b45f1 | 20:37 |
| sdake | would be nice to get some text in there for attendees | 20:37 |
| larsks | How do we do that? | 20:37 |
| sdake | write it | 20:37 |
| sdake | sec, let me get an etherpad rolling | 20:37 |
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| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-design | 20:38 |
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| sdake | well for once I'm ata loss for words :) | 20:38 |
| larsks | I will add some verbage after the meeting. | 20:39 |
| sdake | lets spend 5 minutes editing that etherpad to come up with s omething | 20:39 |
| larsks | Okay. | 20:39 |
| sdake | I think its time spent together now is better use of time | 20:39 |
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| larsks | How about something like that? | 20:41 |
| sdake | made a few edits to make it more snazzy | 20:42 |
| larsks | Sure. | 20:42 |
| sdake | anyone have anything to add? | 20:42 |
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| daneyon | looks good. can we add topics to the etherpad? | 20:42 |
| sdake | sure | 20:42 |
| daneyon | what about supporting a diff provisioning tool other than heat-kube? | 20:43 |
| daneyon | since real deployments will most like use a config engine like puppet,ansible, etc.. | 20:43 |
| larsks | I would claim that we don't "support" heat-kube right now. I keep telling people to look at the upstream docs unless they already have openstack and heat available. | 20:43 |
| larsks | I also wonder how much we want to focus on "how to install kubernetes". I sort of think we should focus on container design. | 20:43 |
| daneyon | larsks: good point. maybe that's something we ask someone to work on outside of the core project? | 20:44 |
| larsks | Brent extracted the config stuff from the heat templates and turned them into some standalone shell scripts. I don't have a link handy right now... | 20:44 |
| sdake | real deployments don't really want cm, because cm is a pita :) | 20:44 |
| larsks | sdake: I think...most real deployments *do* want some sort of cm, actually. | 20:44 |
| sdake | docker is the new config management | 20:45 |
| larsks | But not necessarily what we would provide. | 20:45 |
| sdake | ok any other topics? | 20:45 |
| sdake | If not, I'll jsut delete that line | 20:45 |
| sdake | ok, well I guess you can sort it out at summit | 20:46 |
| daneyon | I think the project needs a tool to deploy kolla on bare metal systems. The aded layer of Heat is add'l complexity to an already complex thing. | 20:46 |
| larsks | daneyon: That's what those shell scripts that I mentioned do... | 20:46 |
| larsks | daneyon: I will try to track down a link,. | 20:46 |
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| sdake_ | yup we should add to our docs | 20:46 |
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| daneyon | larsks: let me look into the scripts. they came across my path but i did not dive into them. | 20:47 |
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| daneyon | what about supporting AUFS instead of devicemapper? | 20:47 |
| rhallisey | larsks, it's not in the bluejeans chat :( will have to ask Brent | 20:47 |
| larsks | daneyon: AUFS isn't in-kernel, so I think no. | 20:47 |
| daneyon | I have ran into issues with devicemapper | 20:47 |
| larsks | daneyon: overlayfs just merged in the kernel, though, and signs point to that becoming the default. | 20:47 |
| daneyon | larsks: OK | 20:47 |
| sdake | so a topic can be storage? | 20:47 |
| sdake | because we need persistent storage | 20:47 |
| sdake | and we dont have it atm | 20:47 |
| sdake | or much of it | 20:47 |
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| larsks | A topic for the summit discussion? Sure. | 20:48 |
| daneyon | what about the gluster stuff in heat-kube? | 20:48 |
| larsks | I think gluster is a good solution. | 20:48 |
| larsks | There may be others. | 20:48 |
| larsks | We can discuss them :) | 20:48 |
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| sdake | cool so that is good content for summit | 20:48 |
| daneyon | OK | 20:48 |
| sdake | any other topics? | 20:48 |
| sdake | how about tripleo integration? | 20:49 |
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| larsks | sdake: Maybe worth looking into, but not something about which I can talk at all... | 20:49 |
| sdake | I suspect that is why we g ot a session in the first place ;) | 20:49 |
| daneyon | can u share a potential use case for tripleo integration? | 20:49 |
| sdake | larsks that is where the tripleo developers give you their viewpoint | 20:49 |
| sdake | not the otherway around | 20:49 |
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| sdake | the use case is having tripleo handle all the things rather then several installation tools | 20:50 |
| larsks | And yet, it helps to have some familiarity with the tool, otherwise the discussion isn't really a discussion. | 20:50 |
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| sdake | well maybe they can discuss and you can listen | 20:50 |
| sdake | and frame it that way :) | 20:50 |
| larsks | And I don't have that, so I cannot discuss that in any meaningful way. | 20:50 |
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| sdake | does above sound ok? | 20:50 |
| daneyon | i know little about tripleo | 20:51 |
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| sdake | here is what I'd do | 20:51 |
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| sdake | "I dont know much about tripleo but we want to integrate with it. If there are tripleo devsi n the room, do youi have suggestions?" | 20:51 |
| sdake | that should get the discussion kicked off | 20:51 |
| sdake | and sit back and take notes :) | 20:51 |
| daneyon | what about discussing potential kube/docker networking implementations and getting feedback? | 20:51 |
| sdake | thats a good one | 20:52 |
| sdake | looks like that is covered | 20:52 |
| larsks | daneyon: Yes. I put external connectivity there already, but we can make that more general. | 20:52 |
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| sdake | ok it looks good | 20:52 |
| sdake | I think we can just go with the abover | 20:52 |
| sdake | I'll get the site updated if its not too late | 20:52 |
| sdake | larsks/daneyon/radez can one of you cats tkae notes at the session and put in the etherpad | 20:53 |
| larsks | sdake: Sure. | 20:53 |
| daneyon | sdake: will do | 20:53 |
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| sdake | i'm sure it will just be a summary but t ry to take them live so I can get some context ;) | 20:53 |
| sdake_ | #topic open items | 20:54 |
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| sdake | any open discussion | 20:54 |
| sdake | we have 5 minutes | 20:54 |
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| radez | sdake: yea I can help with that too, sry been a bit in and out here at the end | 20:55 |
| sdake | thanks radez | 20:55 |
| sdake | ok folks sounds like no open discussion | 20:55 |
| sdake | thanks for coming :) | 20:55 |
| daneyon | thanks! | 20:55 |
| sdake_ | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:55 | |
| larsks | Thanks! | 20:55 |
| radez | adios | 20:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 20:55:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-10-27-20.01.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-10-27-20.01.txt | 20:55 |
| rhallisey | thank you :) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-10-27-20.01.log.html | 20:55 |
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| daneyon | larsks: before i work on DOC updates and submit a PR to heat-kube, I thought I would share the changes with you: https://github.com/danehans/heat-kubernetes/commit/22e5f6db89d805cf5a589bfa912cbaed09d07c1e | 20:56 |
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| elmiko | sdake: hey, i'm a dev on sahara, was curious about kolla and watching the meeting. if you run into any issues with the container creation for sahara, please reach out to us in #openstack-sahara. i've got a little docker experience and i know there are others interested. | 20:57 |
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| sdake | elmiko cool will do | 20:57 |
| daneyon | larsks: let me know if you have issues with the changes to heat-kube. If not, then I'll update the doc's and submit a PR. | 20:57 |
| larsks | daneyon: I will take a look. | 20:58 |
| daneyon | larsks: thx | 20:58 |
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| mestery | hi folks | 20:59 |
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| armax | hu | 20:59 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 20:59 |
| armax | *hi | 20:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 20:59 |
| shivharis | hi all | 20:59 |
| dougwig | hi | 21:00 |
| marun_ | hola! | 21:00 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:00 |
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| yamahata | hi | 21:00 |
| * mestery queuesthe ominous music for the last meeting before the summit ... | 21:00 | |
| sgordon_ | >.> | 21:00 |
| mhanif_ | Hi | 21:00 |
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| blogan | \o/ | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
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| sweston | hi | 21:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | mestery: no metal in the background today? | 21:00 |
| mestery | markmcclain: lol | 21:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 21:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| mestery | The Kilo Design Agenda has been published! | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VE5G_9YweYw | 21:01 |
| Swami | hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | The only slot left to fill is the lightning talk slots | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049090.html | 21:02 |
| mestery | That is the lightning talk submission email, thanks to those who submitted talks! | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-lightning-talks | 21:02 |
| mestery | I wanted to encourage folks to add their name to the list. | 21:02 |
| emagana | hello! | 21:02 |
| mestery | I'll be sending out the link for a SurveyMonkey soon so we can vote on the talks. | 21:02 |
| mestery | Does anyone need more time to add their talk to the list? | 21:03 |
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| mestery | OK, one last announcement: I've been working with the LBaaS team to merge their patches into the feature/lbaasv2 branch | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 21:04 |
| marun_ | I quite liked 'Tips on getting reviewers to block your changes' | 21:04 |
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| mestery | I encourage cores who have time to review there. | 21:04 |
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| emagana | mestery: Just added minie | 21:04 |
| mestery | emagana: Thanks sir! | 21:04 |
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| marun_ | It would be a shame if nobody put their name to it. | 21:04 |
| * marun_ is sorry for the digression | 21:04 | |
| mestery | marun_: Maybe we make that one a team lightning talk if no one claims it? | 21:04 |
| marun_ | mestery: +1 | 21:04 |
| blogan | i figured that was a typo and meant unblock | 21:05 |
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| mestery | lol | 21:05 |
| dougwig | blogan: the optimist among us. | 21:05 |
| armax | blogan: that would’ve made more sense :) | 21:05 |
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| mestery | Either way, as marun_ said, hopefully someone claims it as it would be a useful lightning talk | 21:05 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team this week ... the final meeting before the summit? | 21:06 |
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| mhanif_ | Question: Have we started to build the Kilo project plan? If not, when does that work being? | 21:06 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: are you going to make it to Paris or not? | 21:06 |
| mhanif_ | I meant to say begin? | 21:07 |
| mestery | mhanif_: Yes, partially, and it will fall out of the design summit a bit as well. | 21:07 |
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| marun_ | mhanif_: I think that would be post-summit. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: I will not be in Paris, my fourth child is due 11-7, I'll be home welcoming the latest Mestery into the world. | 21:07 |
| marun_ | mhanif_: Though the topics under discussion are a good indication of what the priorities are likely to be. | 21:07 |
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| blogan | mestery needs to get his priorities straight | 21:07 |
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| dougwig | mestery: something that costs more sleep than being PTL. nice. | 21:07 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047954.html | 21:07 |
| mhanif_ | mestery: Thanks. If partially, is there a link where we keep this information? | 21:07 |
| mestery | mhanif_: See ^^^ | 21:07 |
| mestery | blogan: lol | 21:08 |
| mestery | dougwig: It was hard to find, but I think I nailed it. | 21:08 |
| yamamoto | what's "Neutron contributors meetup" | 21:08 |
| mestery | yamamoto: A round table we get on Friday :) | 21:08 |
| mestery | I'm hoping people will signup for slots there | 21:08 |
| mestery | To talk about things which have a smaller auidence, etc. | 21:08 |
| glebo | mestery: congrats on #4 | 21:08 |
| glebo | mestery: so cool | 21:09 |
| mestery | glebo: thanks :) | 21:09 |
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| mestery | So, just to circle back: LBaaS reviews! It woudl be great to get some folks on the final large patch and try to merge it prior to the summit. Rumour has it blogan and dougwig are buying drinks if it lands. :) | 21:09 |
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| blogan | just dougwig | 21:10 |
| emagana | mestery: I like the agenda very much.. It is completely focus on Neutron request But nothing on the Nova-network deprecation!! | 21:10 |
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| glebo | dougwig: very funny, sleep comment. Soooo true! | 21:10 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: What is the criteria to sign up for the round table discussion topics? | 21:10 |
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| dougwig | i will totally buy drinks if it lands. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | emagana: There is a nova slot for that | 21:10 |
| ptoohill | Holding ya to that ;) | 21:10 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: I don't know yet, I'm assuming a whiteboard will hve time, but I'll create an etherpad for it iinstead. | 21:11 |
| mestery | #action mestery to create etherpad with table discussion slots | 21:11 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on | 21:11 |
| emagana | mestery: Thanks! | 21:11 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: we have couple of ideas about ML2 discussions - this round table will be nice for that | 21:11 |
| mestery | emagana: Sure thing! | 21:11 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Perfect! | 21:11 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:12 |
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| * mestery pokes enikanorov ... | 21:12 | |
| mestery | enikanorov: here? | 21:12 |
| mestery | And if not, I encourage folks to discuss bugs here. | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | armax is taking on a gate breaking bug I think | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | but I do not have bug # at hand unfortunately | 21:14 |
| armax | salv-orlando: I delegated carl_baldwin | 21:14 |
| armax | salv-orlando: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1381617 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381617 in neutron "Check for FIP status in scenario tests cause instability in neutron gate jobs" [High,In progress] | 21:14 |
| mestery | That's 3 levels of nesting, has carl_baldwin delegated to someone else yet? | 21:14 |
| armax | mestery: nope | 21:14 |
| mestery | :) | 21:14 |
| armax | his patch is up for review | 21:14 |
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| mestery | armax: Nice! | 21:14 |
| carl_baldwin | carl_baldwin: Nope, still me. | 21:14 |
| blogan | nice self reference! | 21:15 |
| blogan | i do it all the time | 21:15 |
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| dougwig | you had an opportunity to go meta there, and instead used 'i' | 21:15 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks for addressing that one. | 21:15 |
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| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of this week? | 21:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: glad to help | 21:16 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130655/ | 21:16 |
| mestery | Post Summit, I'd like to see us run a few bug scrub days, we haev a LOT of bugs open, and getting eyes on them would be good. | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380787 XML is dead | 21:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1380787 in neutron "remove XML support" [High,In progress] | 21:16 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Just +A'd that one. | 21:17 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move this meeting along! | 21:17 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:17 |
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| mestery | emagana: Hey! Any updates on things this week>? | 21:18 |
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| emagana | mestery: Not really! | 21:18 |
| emagana | We did not have last friday networking docs meeting | 21:18 |
| mestery | emagana: OK sir, no problem. Keep us apprised of things there as they evolve! | 21:18 |
| emagana | So, nothing to report!! | 21:18 |
| mestery | OK, we'll move on then. Thanks! | 21:18 |
| mestery | #topic Trunk Port Discussion | 21:18 |
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| mestery | sgordon_ ijw: Here? | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks.. just wanted to let folks we actually did remove it this time | 21:19 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048957.html | 21:19 |
| sgordon_ | mestery, yessir | 21:19 |
| mestery | I'd like us to use this time to try and come to a consensus on this issue. | 21:19 |
| mestery | It's important for many players in the NFV space. | 21:19 |
| mestery | There are multiple proposals out there: | 21:19 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94612/ | 21:19 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97714 | 21:19 |
| * mestery is missing one ... | 21:19 | |
| sgordon_ | can never have too many specs right... | 21:20 |
| mestery | ijw sent an email with some good thoughts on this. Would you care to summarize for us? | 21:20 |
| mestery | sgordon_: So true. | 21:20 |
| sgordon_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049270.html | 21:21 |
| sgordon_ | that's the email | 21:21 |
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| mestery | sgordon_: I think it comes down to what use cases we want to solve here. | 21:21 |
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| mestery | sgordon_: Can you summarize what the NFV group wants addressed? | 21:21 |
| sgordon_ | i think his main point was having a flag to indicate that a network was passing VLAN tagged packets | 21:21 |
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| ijw | Sorry, distracted | 21:22 |
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| ijw | We have different aims, basically. | 21:22 |
| mestery | ijw: Welcome back. | 21:22 |
| sgordon_ | in a galaxy far far away cloudon had attempted to summarize here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047548.html | 21:22 |
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| ijw | The most straightforward, and non-negotiable, I think, is that we have to have networks that pass VLAN tagged traffic when they're requested, totally aside from whether we can split or combine VLANs in networks. | 21:22 |
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| sgordon_ | right | 21:23 |
| mestery | ijw: Make sense. | 21:23 |
| ijw | On splitting and combining, the two options are a block that does it (sort of like an L2 router, which is why it's been called a 'gateway' in the past), or a special kind of port that attaches to multiple networks simultaneously. | 21:23 |
| ijw | They would appear to do largely the same thing, but they actually serve different uses - the gateway is particularly useful if you're sending packets out of a cloud, and the port is more useful if you have a 'service' VM. | 21:24 |
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| ijw | To be perfectly honest, I think I would accept specs for all three of these things, work on the assumption that they're *not* competing ideas, and approve or decline them on their individual merits. | 21:25 |
| mestery | ijw: The "pass VLAN tagged traffic" thing seems straightforward enough for one. | 21:25 |
| rkukura | Is the assumption in these proposals that the deployment is using VLANs for tenant network isolation, and some subset of those VLANs are to be trunked to certain VMs, or is it that any kind of tenant network isolation may be in use, and each VM wants some subset of the tenant networks trunked on specific VLANs? These seem very different to me. | 21:25 |
| ijw | The only thing I would add is that the last gateway proposal was immensely complex by the end of it, partly because it was trying to accommodate network infrastructures that didn't pass VLAN tagged packets and used VLANs as the underlying encap. I would avoid letting that drive a solution, and go with something very simple. | 21:26 |
| ijw | rkukura: I think it's important that we make *absolutely no* assumption about the underlying deployment. | 21:26 |
| mestery | rkukura: No, not for the "pass VLAN tagged traffic" idea. Not at all. It coudl be tunnels. | 21:26 |
| armax | my suggestion would be to make sure that a blueprint is scoped in a way that can be completed in the span of a cycle | 21:26 |
| mestery | ijw: Yes, what you said. | 21:26 |
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| mestery | Do we feel like any of the existing specs accurately captures these three use cases ijw? | 21:27 |
| ijw | rkukura: The only accommodation I would give is that we accept that, in some circumstances, networks will *not* pass VLANs by default and that's why a special flag on networks is required. | 21:27 |
| ijw | The VLAN transparent networking one is fine, and I'd have to recheck what Erik did on the port based one (it may have predated specs). The gateway one needs a going over. | 21:27 |
| sgordon_ | i think erik's had a spec as well | 21:28 |
| ijw | armax: I would agree - simple and extensible, or even simple and wrong, trumps comprehensive and unfinishable. | 21:28 |
| bmelande | For service in VM, enabling VLAN tagged packets on VM VIF (one VLAN per Neutron network), makes it simple to attach service instance in the VM to those neutron networks. | 21:28 |
| sgordon_ | there was one older proposal in mestery's email | 21:28 |
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| armax | ijw: yes, also I think there’s value in tracking vlan-to-the-vm and l2-gw separately | 21:28 |
| SridharRamaswamy | bmelande: +1 | 21:29 |
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| rkukura | ijw: So this is new kind of network that passes VLAN tags, not a special kind of port that presents normal networks on VLANs? | 21:29 |
| bmelande | armax: I also think that makes sense | 21:30 |
| ijw | rkukura: So: we would have a network that passes VLANs, *and* a port that can be attached to multiple networks, *and* a gateway block that decomposed trunks, potentially. | 21:30 |
| ijw | As I say: wait and judge the specs, but please just avoid the assumption that doing one or two of these means the third is not required. | 21:31 |
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| ijw | Any other opinions? | 21:31 |
| rkukura | ijw: I’ll review the specs. | 21:31 |
| marun_ | ijw: I think the problem here isn't the specs | 21:31 |
| marun_ | ijw: I think it's a lack of cohesive communication as the use-cases involved. | 21:31 |
| ijw | marun_: Where do you want that documenting? | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | what changes in the mgmt layer (ie: APIs) are need for the spec where we allow networks to pass VLAN tagged traffic? | 21:32 |
| marun_ | ijw: Your email to the list did a better job than the specs have done those far, imho. | 21:32 |
| marun_ | ijw: that was my reasoning behind attempting to unify the specs, or at least providing an overarching one | 21:32 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: That spec exists, but basically it's one extra flag on a network | 21:32 |
| marun_ | ijw: so there could be an opportunity for more cohesive/comprehensive documentation of the use-case and how they related | 21:33 |
| ijw | marun_: I prefer specs that can be signed off complete, which is why I suggest separate ones, but I agree that the commonality has to be clearly written out somewhere | 21:33 |
| marun_ | relate | 21:33 |
| bmelande | marun_: You think #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94612/ is unclear? | 21:33 |
| marun_ | bmelande: I think the relationship between the different use-cases is not clear | 21:33 |
| marun_ | bmelande: It's hard for someone unfamiliar with nfv to sign off on things without a view of the bigger picture. | 21:34 |
| marun_ | ijw: I don't have a problem with smaller specs. I think there needs to be better communication about the efforts as a whole and how they relate. | 21:34 |
| marun_ | ijw: Rather than expecting reviewers to infer. | 21:34 |
| ijw | marun_: In fact, the only essential one for NFV is the trunk network one. | 21:34 |
| marun_ | ijw: That's not sufficient detail. | 21:35 |
| marun_ | ijw: If we don't understand the 'why', the 'how' doesn't matter. | 21:35 |
| ijw | marun_: This is IRC, not documentation ;) | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: I remember that, I was trying to recollect the change needed at the API layer. I understand the differences between what ijw and erikmoe propose. My only point is that I would like to achieve that and at the same time not defer the complexity to the API consumer. Ie: do I need a trunk port or a vlan passing network? That is a decision which might be taken by the deployer or the cloud admin, but definetely not the tenant | 21:35 |
| marun_ | ijw: I'm not talking about irc. | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | tenant == regular API consumer | 21:35 |
| marun_ | ijw: I'm asking for an overarching spec/doc/whatever that will give context to the individual efforts around vlan trunk ports. | 21:35 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: That is exactly a decision for the tenant, because some things solve some tenant problems and not others, but as marun_ says that needs documentation to make clear. | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | If we agree on that point I’m happy to approve as many approaches you wish to have to pass traffic for NFV use cases | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: you think of a tenant as somebody who’s designing a sort of data center in the cloud? | 21:36 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: I think of a tenant as someone who's trying to use a cloud. NFV applications are tenant applications. | 21:37 |
| ijw | Even aaS VMs are tenant VMs, in a sense. | 21:37 |
| ijw | (just not the consuming tenant) | 21:37 |
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| ijw | salv-orlando: And that was my point on the ML, that we make the hard things possible. If we simplify the API to the point that some things are impossible, then we have a problem. | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: well we’re entering the meta-cloud level here… the cloud which uses the cloud! For the NFV application use case I agree however it is a sensible decision to let it decide how the traffic should be passed | 21:38 |
| glebo | ijw: could NFV be an app run as part of the infrastructure by the cloud provider FOR a service delivered TO the tenant? | 21:38 |
| ijw | glebo: I would argue that NFV is always a tenant application in its purest sense, but on the other hand a network function plus a multiplexing layer does indeed make a resellable service, yes | 21:39 |
| glebo | in this case it still NFV (/me thinks), still a service, but now under the administrative control of the provider infrastructure, and not under tenant control | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: “simple” is a word with a very relative meaning. If the user is, for instance, a cloud application like nodepool, simple is much different from what simple means for a NFV application | 21:39 |
| glebo | ijw: thx for clarification | 21:39 |
| ijw | salv-orlando: Indeed, and I'm not trying to simplify NFV in that respect, I'm only trying to make it possible. | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | the former wants no control over the network, just use it, whereas the latter needs to dictate how things should work at data plane layer | 21:40 |
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| glebo | i've found a lot recently that in thinking through use cases we need to clarify who controls the resource, i.e. how is the admin on it, vs who consumes it | 21:40 |
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| ijw | salv-orlando: On the whole, the latter wants to mainly have networks that work like wired networks (the VLAN transparency). L2 gateways is a small step over that into what a managed switch would usually provide, granted. | 21:40 |
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| ijw | But that, being a service, could easily be turned off. | 21:41 |
| bmelande | glebo: +1 | 21:41 |
| mestery | Folks, we have 20 minutes left and ideally we'll lave most of that to at least touch on the advanced services split. | 21:41 |
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| mestery | I think we've got the ball in motion on this trunking thing now, I'm hopeful people can come out of hte summit understanding hte use cases with some solid specs proposed. | 21:41 |
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| * mestery looks at ijw. | 21:41 | |
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| ijw | We're going to have to take this back to the ML, but I think the point is that trunks are easily agreed, there are some people with issues on the other two proposals, and I'll try and better articulate the use cases to make it clear what proposals we need. | 21:42 |
| * sballe looking forward to the discussion on Advance Services split | 21:42 | |
| mestery | #topic Advanced Services Spinout | 21:42 |
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| salv-orlando | I want to implented a gateway which converts vlan tagged trunks into ice creams | 21:42 |
| mestery | ijw: Agreed. | 21:42 |
| mestery | OK, per the discussion today, there is a Summit slot for this. | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | and when traffic tagged with a specific vlan tag pass, I want boy george to show up singing karma chameleon | 21:43 |
| sbalukoff | salv-orlando: Sign me up, too. | 21:43 |
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| xgerman | ice cream? I am in! | 21:43 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: I am in | 21:43 |
| * mestery ratholes on ice cream. | 21:43 | |
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| mestery | This is why we can't have nice things. :) | 21:43 |
| blogan | lol | 21:43 |
| sbalukoff | haha | 21:43 |
| blogan | so what are the details on a split? | 21:44 |
| mestery | OK, who's in favor of splitting out the chocolate from the vanilla ice cream? | 21:44 |
| dougwig | lol | 21:44 |
| * dougwig raises hand. | 21:44 | |
| * sbalukoff raises a hand | 21:44 | |
| blogan | banana split | 21:44 |
| glebo | lmao | 21:44 |
| mestery | lol | 21:44 |
| ijw | We can put the strawberry in between. | 21:44 |
| dougwig | ugh, heathens. | 21:44 |
| blogan | way to go salv-orlando | 21:44 |
| ijw | So, I believe at one point we were talking about networking? | 21:44 |
| * mestery ratholes on whether fruit should be considered a desert. | 21:44 | |
| glebo | salv-orlando: boy george reference was the best part. Looooong time since I've pictured that character. | 21:44 |
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| mestery | ijw: Indeed | 21:44 |
| mestery | OK | 21:44 |
| mestery | Advanced Services split. | 21:44 |
| blogan | mestery: maybe a dessert but definitely not a desert | 21:44 |
| mestery | Summit Session. | 21:45 |
| mestery | lol | 21:45 |
| ijw | Sumit session? | 21:45 |
| dougwig | mestery: you are doomed here. | 21:45 |
| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 21:45 |
| mestery | dougwig: I realize that now :) | 21:45 |
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| sbalukoff | summit session. | 21:45 |
| blogan | so what does split mean? | 21:45 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-services | 21:45 |
| blogan | spin out? | 21:45 |
| glebo | ice cream vs adv services split…. um… really? | 21:45 |
| sbalukoff | I would like to see blogan's question answered, though will understand if that answer is too complicated for an IRC meeting. | 21:45 |
| * glebo pretty sure everyone would PREFER to speak ice cream, but, alas... | 21:45 | |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Agreed, though a good starting point | 21:46 |
| ijw | This makes a lot of sense to me, though it's not clear to me if a router is an 'advanced' service | 21:46 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i think that question is dependent on things dougwig brought up | 21:46 |
| mestery | ijw: Think things above L2/L3. | 21:46 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Notably not ice cream. | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | I’ll try and make an imaginary bridge with the previous discussion | 21:46 |
| blogan | lol yes | 21:46 |
| dougwig | #action dougwig update advservices etherpad with ML content | 21:46 |
| ijw | mestery: the question was more why a router is special | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | how many people think lbaas is an application consuming core network services? | 21:46 |
| * mestery has some oceanfront land to sell salv-orlando in Minnesota. | 21:46 | |
| sbalukoff | salv: I do! | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | and friewall, and vpn for that reason | 21:47 |
| blogan | and nova | 21:47 |
| sbalukoff | salv: Indeed. | 21:47 |
| dougwig | isn't that kind of like asking how many cloud users use a network? | 21:47 |
| glebo | blogan: swear I thought you meant "banana" split. Shucks | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | mestery: global warming will make that land very valuable | 21:47 |
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| * ijw tries the linux analogy | 21:47 | |
| sballe | salv-orlando: I agree on LBaaS, FW and VPN | 21:47 |
| ijw | If you want a mail server, do you implement it as an app, or do you write it into the kernel? | 21:47 |
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| mestery | kernel | 21:48 |
| mestery | every time | 21:48 |
| ijw | If you write an advanced service, is it better as a tenant app or as a core component? | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | another question is whether the typical consumer of the LBaaS API is also a typical consumer of Nuetron “core” APIs | 21:48 |
| dougwig | don't joke, i know some high perf appliances that do that. | 21:48 |
| ijw | Also, never let mestery write C. | 21:48 |
| mestery | dougwig: rofl | 21:48 |
| blogan | salv-orlando: i dont believe so | 21:48 |
| blogan | more like a typical user of nova | 21:48 |
| glebo | salv-orlando: I think its a bit more nuanced than that (disclaimer, I'm not a LBaaS person, but I am a FWaaS person) | 21:48 |
| dougwig | blogan: +1 | 21:48 |
| sgordon_ | this is an easy one, you write the mail server into the text editor | 21:49 |
| ijw | LB is different to FW and VPN; some things clearly need internal access to routers, some don't. But the concept is there and it seems worth a summit discussion of what might work | 21:49 |
| sbalukoff | sgordon_: Been there done that. It's called emacs. | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | that is the bit I honestly do not know about. I am all in favour about load balancing evolving independently at the control plane | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | leveraging neutron’s data plan | 21:49 |
| ijw | sgordon_: /boot/vmemacs | 21:49 |
| blogan | yea i think lbaas makes a lot of sense being spun out, fwaas and vpnaas i can see both sides | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | for the API I’m still on the fence whether it should be part of the openstack networking API or a completely distinct API set. | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: can you define what is your idea of “spin-out” here? | 21:50 |
| dougwig | part of the conversation is what happens with all the code that is similar between *aaS ? where does that live? do we even try to leverage it? | 21:50 |
| ijw | blogan: My take is that this might work. It might be more trouble than it's worth for some services, though. But the way to work that out is with a get together and probably a big whiteboard | 21:50 |
| * glebo thinks "Service" means anything that does some advanced mojo on/with packets up above L2 as they pass by. Especially, they need to fwd packets, but fwd is not their main job, it's just done because the must sit in the path in order to do their job | 21:50 | |
| blogan | ijw: and ice cream of course | 21:50 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Taking the advanced services code out of neutron and into their own repository | 21:50 |
| xgerman | dougwig: Neutron OSLO, NOSLO? | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: okay, so as a separate project and serice in itself? | 21:51 |
| sbalukoff | So... my opinion is that when you start to get to layers 4 and above, you shouldn't be a core service. Most of the "advanced" features we want to add to LBaaS are layers 4 and above. But there is a part that's layer 3-4, too. | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: The nichilist way of looking at that is that most of that code should be thrown away in any case | 21:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *service | 21:51 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: That's murky and somewhat depends on where OpenStack governance evolves (see big tent discussion and plan to spend a weekend catching up). | 21:51 |
| sbalukoff | So, there's a little overlap there with core services, though that overlap could probably be handled via exposed API (ie. LBaaS is a consumer of core services) | 21:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: exactly, asking in that context | 21:51 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: granted, but when we rewrite all the port wiring, or the service vm logic, or anything else that's clearly common. | 21:52 |
| glebo | +1 to ijw; LBaaS is a bit different than FW and VPN and TrafficShaping and Monitoring/Snarfing, as LBaaS can draw packet to itself via VIP, whereas others must wedge into the forwarding plane somewheres | 21:52 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: I would say out of Neutron and into their own repository, how that looks governance wise is clearly up for discussion. | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: right.. I think where we want to provide L3 access we can create interfaces for it | 21:52 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain: +1 | 21:52 |
| xgerman | +1 | 21:52 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: +1 | 21:53 |
| glebo | blogan: +1 (being GF, I appreciate Ice Cream over Cookie treats) | 21:53 |
| ijw | markmcclain: +1 - the key here is the interfaces. There's no need to remove the code yet, it makes more sense to work out what interfaces are missing as step 1 to enable removing the code in the future | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | ijw: agreed, but I think that having a real plan is needed | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so do people feel that the current “port” interface in neutron is not enough driver services’ integration? | 21:53 |
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| dougwig | i'm not sure the interfaces will be correctly identified until the pain of attempting removal. | 21:54 |
| ijw | SumitNaiksatam: looks ok to me - did you think something was missing? | 21:54 |
| mestery | dougwig: +1 | 21:54 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 21:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there is certainly a need for higher level abstractions, but if one were to use neutron as is and keep it “pure” | 21:54 |
| ijw | SumitNaiksatam: some sort of notification interface is starting to look in order, mind | 21:54 |
| * dougwig waits for a lightning bolt, hearing neutron and pure in the same sentence. | 21:54 | |
| markmcclain | dougwig: right.. that several other spin out attempts in other projects have stalled on the designing interface stage for that reason | 21:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ijw: we already have notifications for resources being created | 21:54 |
| * ijw rains fire on dougwig from the heavens | 21:54 | |
| armax | I think the discussion for svc spin-out needs to happen at multiple level: external API’s, internal API’s as well as implementation’s | 21:55 |
| ijw | SumitNaiksatam: to apps outside Neutron, not on Rabbit | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | armax: ++ | 21:55 |
| mestery | armax: +1 | 21:55 |
| glebo | ijw: +1, interfaces > removal, in fact, interfaces enables removal, in fact, can't remove until interfaces are clear and effective, otherwise we kill existing features/capability. Bad for operators | 21:55 |
| ijw | There is clearly insufficient beer present to come to a conclusion today | 21:55 |
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| dougwig | maybe we even just spend 5 minutes brainstorming the interfaces that we think aren't right yet. | 21:55 |
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| mestery | ijw: Nor time, though beer is more important. | 21:55 |
| mestery | dougwig: Thanks for pulling us back in. | 21:56 |
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| ijw | dougwig: VLANs ;) (half kidding, but Bob M was right on that) | 21:56 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 21:56 |
| * HenryG is still not sure how database tables will be managed for spin-outs | 21:56 | |
| dougwig | i meant at the summit, but here works oto | 21:56 |
| dougwig | lol | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, I just think we cannot split out. There’s no feasible way of doing that. We need to grow the new independent advanced service alongside the builtin ones. | 21:56 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: why is it not feasible? | 21:56 |
| blogan | i do agree with dougwig though that identitying the interfaces that need fixed/added will happen mostly during the pain of spinning out | 21:56 |
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| salv-orlando | I think it’s just too difficult. It will be easier to build a new service. | 21:57 |
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| ijw | salv-orlando: that's really another perspective over growing the interfaces and then the services, I think - the old services can't go till new ones replace them | 21:57 |
| dougwig | yeah, they'd just be diverging forks until deletion. | 21:57 |
| ijw | nova-network, The Revenge (tm) | 21:57 |
| blogan | which is why i brought up the octavia api possibly replacing neutron lbaas as an lbaas api | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: not for any conceptual reason. I’m just thinking from a practical and pragmatic perspective | 21:57 |
| dougwig | which isn't a huge issue, unless it spans cycles. | 21:57 |
| xgerman | what doesn't span cycles? | 21:58 |
| sbalukoff | Part of that is having buy in from the important parties on that: When the new service is ready, we need to actively kill the old service. :/ | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | blogan: I might try and say that where you guys were always headed in the first place with octavia! | 21:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: are you thinking in terms of a v2 implementation of services in stackforge which the v1 still remains and is maintained in neutron? | 21:58 |
| dougwig | xgerman: it'd suck for users if when K releases, there is a spun out lbaas and an internal lbaas. which to use when? why? etc. | 21:58 |
| ijw | sbalukoff: or proxy the calls over, which is a bit weird | 21:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which -> with | 21:58 |
| blogan | salv-orland: it was definitely something i always kept in the back of my mind | 21:58 |
| sbalukoff | ijw: Assuming API is compatible enough. | 21:58 |
| glebo | blogan: dougwig: +1, identify IFs needing attention to make a spin out successful | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | SumitNaiksatam: I’m not yet thinking of anything. Just looking at somethign that we can practically iterate on | 21:59 |
| * mestery notes the cycles are always shorter than they appear. | 21:59 | |
| ijw | markmcclain had the right idea, I think. | 21:59 |
| mestery | Kilo-1 will be here faster than many people are aware. | 21:59 |
| sbalukoff | mestery: +1 | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: okay, thinking -> looking | 21:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | dougwig: isn't it the same with nova network? | 21:59 |
| mestery | OK, 1 minute left folks. | 21:59 |
| mestery | I'm going to wrap this up. | 21:59 |
| dougwig | the parallels haunt me, yes. | 21:59 |
| ijw | Interfaces first, then let people bugger about on the service front, it doesn't have to be committed to find out if it'll work, and it doesn't even have to be in stackforge | 21:59 |
| mestery | I expect a lively discussion in Paris on this! | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I think you can wrap it up. | 21:59 |
| mestery | Have fun and enjoy Paris! | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 21:59:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Done | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-27-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-27-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-10-27-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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| armax | that was a fun conversation to keep up with! | 22:00 |
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