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| sbadia | hi | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| sbadia | #startmeeting Puppet-OpenStack | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 14:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbadia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Puppet-OpenStack)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:00 |
| sbadia | #topic Retro of the summit | 14:01 |
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| sbadia | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-2014-11-10 | 14:01 |
| nibalizer | im like half here sortof notreally | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | I think we should wait people write some bits | 14:01 |
| sbadia | nibalizer: no problems ;è) | 14:02 |
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| nibalizer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126264/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | maybe we should let one week and discuss about it during the next meeting | 14:02 |
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| nibalizer | basically do we want to slot in 3.6 3.7 unit tests | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: the topic is the retro for now. | 14:02 |
| nibalizer | haha my bad | 14:02 |
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| sbadia | the summit pads (ops meeting and puppet are avail.) | 14:03 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: has just launched a retro | 14:03 |
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| sbadia | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-puppet-retro | 14:03 |
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| sbadia | feel free to add idea/other things | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | let's see the feedback (/me curious) | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: we can go ahead I think | 14:05 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: yep | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | we can discuss about reviews | 14:05 |
| sbadia | we add a point with the feedback from the summit? | 14:05 |
| sbadia | (in addition of the retro) | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: I think for now, we just need to wait that people comes back and catch up thousands of emails | 14:06 |
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| sbadia | EmilienM: ok :) | 14:06 |
| sbadia | (the speedest meeting ever) | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: #topic reviews | 14:06 |
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| sbadia | #topic Waiting reviews | 14:06 |
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| sbadia | from gael on #puppet-openstack | 14:07 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103127/ | 14:07 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115659/ | 14:07 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132813/ | 14:07 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106144/ | 14:08 |
| sbadia | and nibalizer | 14:08 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126264/ | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | I think nibalizer deserves first | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | he's present | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: so your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126264/ | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | I think we should use gerrit to work on this. Thanks sbadia for the pointers | 14:09 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: yep | 14:09 |
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| sbadia | next point? | 14:09 |
| sbadia | something else? | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | if we have one? | 14:09 |
| sbadia | #topic Other things | 14:09 |
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| sbadia | something to share? | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | it will be the faster meeting I think. People is traveling back or very busy | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | oh yeah, we've lost the bot | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | I take the point! | 14:11 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: go ahead | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to recover the IRC bot | 14:11 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: already done no? | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | oh dear! | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: I think we can close the meeting then. | 14:12 |
| sbadia | +1 for me | 14:12 |
| sbadia | #endmeeting | 14:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 14:13:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-10-14.00.html | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-10-14.00.txt | 14:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-10-14.00.log.html | 14:13 |
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| fthamura | greet :) | 16:53 |
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| sarob | Hey guys and girls | 16:58 |
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| sarob | Who is here for training guides? | 16:58 |
| sayali | Hello | 16:58 |
| sarob | Evening | 16:58 |
| sarob | I think | 16:59 |
| sayali | yes evening :) | 16:59 |
| fthamura | good night :) | 16:59 |
| sarob | Anyone else? | 16:59 |
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| sarob | Evening dguitarbite | 16:59 |
| Guest38227 | evening | 16:59 |
| rluethi | hey | 16:59 |
| Guest38227 | wait ill rcv | 17:00 |
| Guest38227 | *rc | 17:00 |
| sarob | Hey rluethi | 17:00 |
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| sayali | Hi rluethi | 17:00 |
| sarob | I can only stay for about 10 min | 17:00 |
| rluethi | sarob: let's make the most of it. | 17:00 |
| sarob | I'm still in Paris on vacation | 17:00 |
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| dbite | hello | 17:01 |
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| sarob | Rluethi you want to start the meeting | 17:01 |
| sarob | So I can cut out early | 17:01 |
| fthamura | any news from paris? i werent msged to join :( | 17:01 |
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| sarob | Can you please rather | 17:01 |
| rluethi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 17:01:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| sarob | Thx | 17:02 |
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| sarob | I wanted to get the action items | 17:02 |
| sarob | Into the meeting record | 17:02 |
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| sarob | And I have to go | 17:02 |
| sarob | Pardon my slight mess | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | thanks to sarob, we now have an agenda at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:03 |
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| dbiten | hey im back | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | #topic Review the kilo design session next steps | 17:04 |
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| sarob | ACTION: Identify action items which are blockers and finish them with high priority to start with release cycle. | 17:05 |
| sarob | #ACTION: Identify action items which are blockers and finish them with high priority to start with release cycle. | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | Let me just say real quick that I don't intend to insert refs to the scripts into the manuals any time soon, in contrast to what the minutes suggest. Other than that, the item is being worked on. | 17:06 |
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| sarob | #ACTION: Sarob needs to configure the minimum reviewers for training-guides patches | 17:06 |
| dbiten | do we already have an agreement for the minimum reviewers? | 17:06 |
| sarob | #ACTION: Stef will figure out if landscape alternative is viable. We need to automate the slide builds | 17:07 |
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| dbiten | are we going forward with the standard 2 +2s and 1 +1 | 17:07 |
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| sarob | #Action: published through tarballs and HTML slides | 17:07 |
| rluethi | dbiten: probem is, it's hard to find more than one interested reviewer for some of our typical patches. | 17:08 |
| sarob | Dbiten I am going to add the cores | 17:08 |
| dbiten | rluethi, yes, I was wondering if we decided about this before? | 17:08 |
| sarob | Dbiten we wanted to do something else? | 17:09 |
| dbiten | sarob, I am not sure | 17:09 |
| dbiten | I do not remember that is why I asked | 17:09 |
| rluethi | sarob: I remember having a discussion months back, but I don't remember a resolution. | 17:09 |
| dbiten | rluethi, we are in the same boat then | 17:09 |
| sarob | It's to automatically add the cores to each gerrit review | 17:09 |
| rluethi | sarob: meaning? | 17:10 |
| sarob | #ACTION: team will work on cross referencing the install guide to build scripts. Reference to the scripts in the install guides, discussing to start on docs ML | 17:11 |
| rluethi | sarob: what is meant by "Reference to the scripts in the install guides"? | 17:11 |
| sarob | Rluethi so we can see the patches when on gerrit | 17:12 |
| sarob | Rather than having to view trading guides queue | 17:12 |
| rluethi | sarob: don't we? isn't looking at open patches for training-guides sufficient? | 17:12 |
| rluethi | sarob: fine, I don't see a downside right now. | 17:12 |
| dbiten | I would say lets have that feature | 17:13 |
| sarob | Rluethi extra bit , maybe I misunderstood but I thought it was asked for | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | sarob: actually, maybe I do. I invite other reviewers specifically to patches that I hope they would be interested in. | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I can't add reviewers if they are all added automatically. but maybe I misunderstood what is proposed. | 17:14 |
| sarob | Do you guys want to go through and review the action items in the etherpad before I add them here | 17:14 |
| dbiten | rluethi: reviewers are added automatically to the patch for review | 17:14 |
| rluethi | sarob: WRT the install-guides, I don't think the manuals team is keen on us changing them right now. I will just report to the mailing list, that's all for now. | 17:15 |
| sayali | I don't think that will eliminate the option of adding more reviewers | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | let's try it, unless it is something that is hard to undo. | 17:15 |
| dbiten | sarob, annegentle asked me to show her how it is to be done | 17:15 |
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| dbiten | before starting the discussion | 17:15 |
| dbiten | I will create the required patches and push, then we should start the discussion | 17:16 |
| dbiten | otherwise it may not be that useful | 17:16 |
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| sarob | I have to go | 17:16 |
| dbiten | sarob, let us discuss on the action list once | 17:17 |
| dbiten | and next meeting we finalize it | 17:17 |
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| dbiten | does that sound good? | 17:17 |
| sarob | Can I get you guys to debate the etherpad action items | 17:17 |
| rluethi | dbiten: discuss now? | 17:17 |
| dbiten | skim through | 17:17 |
| dbiten | and finalize the list | 17:17 |
| sarob | Dbiten zehr gut | 17:17 |
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| sarob | I will review the mtg results and give feedback | 17:18 |
| rluethi | sarob: okay | 17:19 |
| sarob | We prob should do some of this over the ml as well | 17:19 |
| sarob | I gots to go | 17:19 |
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| sarob | It was great seeing all of you | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | sarob: indeed. | 17:20 |
| sayali | sarob: bye | 17:20 |
| sarob | Bye | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit for those who haven't seen the minutes | 17:22 |
| rluethi | the minutes contain a list of action items. | 17:22 |
| rluethi | I guess it's quickest to run through them one by one and check if there are comments. comments? | 17:23 |
| sayali | rluethi: let's start then | 17:23 |
| rluethi | k. | 17:23 |
| fthamura | how the usergroup do training guide? do you have abstract> | 17:23 |
| dbiten | First point | 17:23 |
| rluethi | * we will converting xml content to rst | 17:23 |
| dbiten | target audiance | 17:23 |
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| rluethi | fthamura: let's take this to the end of the meeting. | 17:24 |
| dbiten | fthamura, for that write to Sean on email, it would be better for him to answer this | 17:24 |
| rluethi | dbiten: okay, where are you reading? I am looking at the minutes. | 17:24 |
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| dbiten | ahh | 17:24 |
| dbiten | there are two minutes, my bad | 17:25 |
| rluethi | let's try that again: 1) we will converting xml content to rst | 17:25 |
| dbiten | lets run through them fast | 17:25 |
| rluethi | it is my understanding that dbiten will cut/trim first, conversion will be afterwards and not assigned yet. | 17:25 |
| rluethi | correct? | 17:25 |
| dbiten | yes | 17:25 |
| dbiten | let me update the action items subpoints on the etherpad | 17:26 |
| rluethi | #ACTION dbiten will cut/trim existing guides | 17:26 |
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| dbiten | agree, next | 17:27 |
| rluethi | 2) Sarob needs to configure the minimum reviewers for training-guides patches | 17:27 |
| rluethi | already mentioned, we need to discuss what we can afford to do. | 17:27 |
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| dbiten | lets say that we have 2 or 3 minimum reviewers | 17:28 |
| dbiten | who are going to be added to every patch | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | most patches seem to go in with one reviewer now. | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | two is pushing it, three seems unworkable. | 17:29 |
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| rluethi | at least if we want +1 or +2 to actually mean something rather than just rubberstamping. | 17:29 |
| dbiten | no | 17:29 |
| dbiten | I am not sure if it means anything | 17:29 |
| dbiten | just that the patches have those reviewers on them by default | 17:29 |
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| dbiten | and receive a notification | 17:30 |
| dbiten | next | 17:30 |
| rluethi | so it's a minimum on assigned reviewers, not actual reviews? | 17:30 |
| sayali | yes rluethi | 17:30 |
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| rluethi | I wonder how this is helpful. you can already get an automated email for every patch in our repo. | 17:31 |
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| sayali | rluethi: It makes sure stleast x number of reviewers will have to review the patch | 17:31 |
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| sayali | atleast* | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | no, they won't, according to what you said. | 17:32 |
| dbiten | yes, so thats why I said lets go to the next point | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | they don't have to review. | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | this confusion needs clarification, but not now. | 17:32 |
| dbiten | we can discuss this point later on when we have more time | 17:32 |
| dbiten | yes | 17:32 |
| dbiten | once we address the more important points | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | #ACTION sarob sends an email to the ML or team members explaining minimum reviewers requirements. | 17:33 |
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| * rluethi loves delegation | 17:33 | |
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| rluethi | 3) Stef will figure out if landscape alternative is viable. We need to automate the slide builds | 17:33 |
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| dbiten | well, is reed attending this meeting/ | 17:34 |
| dbiten | ? | 17:34 |
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| rluethi | doesn't look like it. | 17:34 |
| dbiten | I think he is not, lets postpone this action item | 17:34 |
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| dbiten | next ? | 17:35 |
| rluethi | #ACTION stefano looks into sphinx/hieroglyph viability for training slides. | 17:35 |
| rluethi | 4) roger will work on cross referencing the install guide to build scripts. Reference to the scripts in the install guides, discussing to start on docs ML | 17:35 |
| rluethi | like I said twice already, I don't intend to push anything to the install-guides for now. | 17:35 |
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| rluethi | this is just about measuring the gap and reporting about it. | 17:36 |
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| dbiten | yes | 17:36 |
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| rluethi | andreas suggested it would be better to report on diffs to juno, but that's quite a bit of work because the instructions were re-ordered for juno. | 17:37 |
| rluethi | so I may choose to send out preliminary findings. | 17:37 |
| dbiten | yes, I agree with this | 17:37 |
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| dbiten | next? | 17:37 |
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| rluethi | #ACTION rluethi will report on differences between install-guides and labs-scripts | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | 5) movie script in RST for AV, deeplink to RST on github off wiki | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | sayali? | 17:38 |
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| sayali | atleast*i didn't think of the scripts to be written in RST | 17:39 |
| sayali | *I | 17:39 |
| rluethi | okay. I don't remember that, either. postpone? | 17:39 |
| dbiten | yeah, postpone, may be action item for Sayali to do more research on this | 17:39 |
| dbiten | for next meeting | 17:39 |
| sayali | but if we want to push it to a wiki it sounds good | 17:39 |
| sayali | else | 17:39 |
| sayali | it would be unnecessary to write it in RST | 17:40 |
| sayali | I feel | 17:40 |
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| sayali | alright we could postpone it for the next meeting | 17:40 |
| rluethi | sayali: okay. we shouldn't push extra work on you unless there is an actual use case. | 17:40 |
| rluethi | 6) Slides will need a bug link for trainers and non-contributors to log bugs | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | that's a wishlist item. | 17:41 |
| rluethi | presumably important, but not urgent. | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | dbiten: do we have a place for stuff like this if it's not labs-scripts? | 17:42 |
| sayali | we need the slides first right :) | 17:42 |
| dbiten | no do not worry about that please | 17:42 |
| rluethi | #idea Slides will need a bug link for trainers and non-contributors to log bugs | 17:42 |
| dbiten | it is not now, later on | 17:42 |
| rluethi | 7) upstream training videos | 17:43 |
| dbiten | its just a html page linking to our launchpad bug page | 17:43 |
| rluethi | not sure about that, somewhat unspecific. | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sayali, do you know what it meant? | 17:43 |
| sayali | rluethi: I need to talk to the upstream guys to make the videos of the training | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sayali: I thought tim is going to make one? | 17:44 |
| sayali | which will involve a lot of editing and a demo video of a mock training session | 17:44 |
| sayali | yes need to get that working with tim | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | #ACTION sayali is working with upstream-training to produce demo video | 17:46 |
| rluethi | sayali: is this correct? | 17:46 |
| sayali | rluethi: yep | 17:46 |
| rluethi | great. moving on. | 17:46 |
| rluethi | 8) matjazp will come up with a newish name for the testing sub-team | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | anyone with a better name? | 17:46 |
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| dbiten | not me | 17:46 |
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| dbiten | and matjazp joins at the perfect time! | 17:46 |
| rluethi | hey, matjazp ! | 17:47 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:47 |
| dbiten | hey mathazp | 17:47 |
| rluethi | just in time. | 17:47 |
| sayali | hi matjazp | 17:47 |
| matjazp | damn winter/summer time | 17:47 |
| rluethi | we were just on your action item: | 17:47 |
| rluethi | matjazp will come up with a newish name for the testing sub-team | 17:47 |
| rluethi | :) | 17:47 |
| matjazp | hmmm | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | Action item was for this Monday? | 17:48 |
| rluethi | (it's from the kilo summit minutes) | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: no, we are going through the minutes and discuss action items. | 17:48 |
| rluethi | minutes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit (somewhat down the page) | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | this is not urgent, anyone against noting this just as an idea? | 17:49 |
| sayali | nope not me | 17:49 |
| matjazp | yes, I will collect few ideas and we'll discuss them | 17:50 |
| rluethi | #idea matjazp will come up with a newish name for the testing sub-team | 17:50 |
| rluethi | matjazp: sorry, did you mean "yes, I am against it"? | 17:50 |
| rluethi | matjazp: would you like ACTION instead? | 17:50 |
| matjazp | I'm inclining towards Assesment, but I'm not sure it is better than Testing (although Roger will not agree with that ;) | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | rluethi no, it's ok | 17:51 |
| sayali | I feel Assesment is better too. Testing is misleading. | 17:51 |
| annegentle | o/ I 'm here just trying to also get/eat lunch :) | 17:51 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I do agree. I am also leaning towards assessment, and I am also not sure it's better than testing (but pretty sure :) ). | 17:51 |
| rluethi | anyhow, moving on. | 17:51 |
| dbiten | Assessment it is | 17:51 |
| annegentle | so feel free to holler if you need | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: hi | 17:51 |
| rluethi | hi annegentle | 17:52 |
| dbiten | annegentle, hello | 17:52 |
| rluethi | 9) setup moodle for basic quiz taking over the next few weeks | 17:52 |
| rluethi | whose plate is this on? | 17:52 |
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| dbiten | sarob or matjazp? | 17:52 |
| rluethi | matjazp? | 17:52 |
| matjazp | mine I guss? | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | guess | 17:52 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: sarob is not here, so it is your choice :) | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | the problem is not in Moodle Q&A, its in the linking of identities | 17:53 |
| rluethi | #ACTION matjazp will setup moodle for basic quiz taking over the next few weeks | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | plugin for Moodle does not support Launchpad | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: I will dig throug my old notes and summarize our choices | 17:54 |
| rluethi | okay. | 17:54 |
| * dbiten time check - 5 minutes remain | 17:54 | |
| rluethi | so, we only have five minutes left. | 17:54 |
| dbiten | matjazp, it would be great to have moodle with launchpad integration or similar | 17:54 |
| rluethi | I propose we postpone the discussion of the remaining items to next week. | 17:54 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I believe there is no way around some programming (extending existing Moodle plugin) | 17:54 |
| sayali | most of them include sarob so it will be better to postpone it | 17:55 |
| rluethi | matjazp: yeah, it might be useful if everyone had some idea of the problems you are facing. | 17:55 |
| dbiten | I gtg now, I will see you guys later | 17:55 |
| dbiten | bye | 17:55 |
| matjazp | bye dbiten | 17:55 |
| sayali | bye | 17:56 |
| rluethi | #agreed discussion of remaining items on minutes postponed to next week. | 17:56 |
| rluethi | anything else that should be mentioned before we close the meeting? | 17:56 |
| sayali | rluethi: I guess not | 17:57 |
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| rluethi | thanks everyone for coming, see you next week. | 17:57 |
| matjazp | I'm fine | 17:57 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 17:57:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-10-17.01.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-10-17.01.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-10-17.01.log.html | 17:57 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 19:00:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | Anyone around for third-party ci meeting? | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | it may be light today due to summit travel | 19:01 |
| asselin | hi | 19:01 |
| patrickeast | hey | 19:02 |
| * krtaylor waves | 19:02 | |
| ignacio-scopetta | o/ | 19:02 |
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| krtaylor | Hello everyone | 19:03 |
| krtaylor | well, we have a full agenda, but I didnt know how many would be here so close after summit | 19:03 |
| krtaylor | we may need to push some things out to next week | 19:03 |
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| krtaylor | let's get started with the meeting | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 19:04 | |
| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | and today's agenda link: | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#11.2F10.2F14 | 19:04 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 19:05 |
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| krtaylor | we had none that I see, mainly due to summit I presume | 19:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 19:05 |
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| krtaylor | any announcements? | 19:05 |
| * krtaylor is thinking there is too few attending today for a meaningful meeting | 19:06 | |
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| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Program items (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 19:07 | |
| krtaylor | I'll just bring up the summit session | 19:07 |
| krtaylor | it went really well | 19:07 |
| krtaylor | it was so good meeting many of you | 19:08 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 19:09 |
| krtaylor | it was a good discussion | 19:09 |
| krtaylor | we have several actions from it | 19:09 |
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| krtaylor | mainly the documentation and dashboard working groups | 19:09 |
| krtaylor | but I'll push those agenda items out until next week | 19:10 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deadlines & Deprecations (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 19:10 | |
| krtaylor | none | 19:10 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 19:11 | |
| krtaylor | I'll just mention the puppet module split out | 19:11 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:module-split,n,z | 19:11 |
| krtaylor | those are the existing patches | 19:12 |
| krtaylor | that have been tagged module-split anyway | 19:12 |
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| krtaylor | its a good place to get involved and push a patch if you can | 19:12 |
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| * krtaylor notes that he needs to refresh his patch | 19:13 | |
| krtaylor | asselin, any comments on these? | 19:13 |
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| asselin | waiting for reviews | 19:13 |
| asselin | mainly core I think at this point | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | yeah, that should pick up now that summit is done | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | worth a ping at the infra meeting tomorrow too | 19:14 |
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| asselin | yes. once these get merged, I'll work on some more. | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | great | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | alright onward | 19:14 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 19:14 |
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| mmedvede | getting the spec documentation merged would be good, there is good new information there | 19:14 |
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| krtaylor | +1 | 19:15 |
| asselin | yes, at least that | 19:15 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, we can bring that up as well | 19:15 |
| * krtaylor looks for the link | 19:15 | |
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| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/129768 | 19:15 |
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| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/132129 | 19:15 |
| krtaylor | ah yes thanks | 19:16 |
| krtaylor | asselin, we really missed having you in the discussions at summit | 19:16 |
| asselin | yeah, it was a quiet week :) | 19:17 |
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| krtaylor | whew, not for me, continuous discussions | 19:18 |
| krtaylor | but it was good | 19:18 |
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| asselin | hopefully next time | 19:18 |
| krtaylor | yes! | 19:18 |
| krtaylor | got some direction from the community | 19:18 |
| krtaylor | next thing I'll get rolling is adding a alternate weekly meeting for those in other time zones | 19:19 |
| krtaylor | be looking for email from me on that | 19:19 |
| krtaylor | also, I have been working on bringing together the various work efforts on the CI dashboard | 19:19 |
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| krtaylor | there is a lot in place to make that a reality already | 19:20 |
| krtaylor | anything from anyone else? | 19:21 |
| krtaylor | problems? questions from those lurking? | 19:21 |
| krtaylor | patches to review (other than module-split) | 19:21 |
| asselin | I should mention there was a nodepool database update | 19:22 |
| asselin | that requires manually updating the tables | 19:22 |
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| asselin | <jeblair> alter table node add column ip_private varchar(255) after ip; | 19:22 |
| asselin | <jeblair> alter table subnode add column ip_private varchar(255) after ip; | 19:22 |
| krtaylor | yes, good | 19:22 |
| asselin | from -infra | 19:22 |
| krtaylor | is there a patch for this? | 19:23 |
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| asselin | no, the nodepool patch landed, and you need to manually run those in mysql | 19:23 |
| asselin | there's no db migratrion script | 19:23 |
| krtaylor | ah, ok | 19:24 |
| asselin | well...at lease not as of Friday :) | 19:24 |
| krtaylor | hm, I would have neg that | 19:24 |
| mmedvede | hehe, good our nodepool is frozen at the moment | 19:24 |
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| * krtaylor pretends he didn't hear that :) | 19:24 | |
| krtaylor | well, I won't make this any longer than it needs to be | 19:26 |
| krtaylor | let's meet again next week, we'll have much better attendance | 19:26 |
| krtaylor | else, find me in infra | 19:26 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, I'll close the meeting then | 19:27 |
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| asselin | thanks | 19:27 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 19:27:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-10-19.00.html | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-10-19.00.txt | 19:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-10-19.00.log.html | 19:27 |
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| larsks | #startmeeting kolla | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 19:59:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is larsks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 19:59 |
| jrist | o/ | 19:59 |
| larsks | #topic rollcall | 19:59 |
| jrist | afternoon larsks | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 19:59 | |
| larsks | Hiya! | 19:59 |
| rhallisey | hello | 19:59 |
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| larsks | sdake is feeling ill today. going to wait a couple more minutes to see if anyone else shows up. | 20:00 |
| jrist | wow all 3 of us | 20:00 |
| jrist | still summit-tired | 20:00 |
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| larsks | Totally. | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | i'm here | 20:01 |
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| jrist | larsks: how was the exit row? | 20:01 |
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| larsks | Lovely! Of course they asked me about my boot, but they let me stay. | 20:02 |
| jrist | yay | 20:02 |
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| larsks | Well, I guess this is it. | 20:02 |
| larsks | #topic agenda | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:02 | |
| larsks | We have a really short agenda today: | 20:03 |
| larsks | * Summit summary | 20:03 |
| larsks | * Review milestone #2 scheduling | 20:03 |
| larsks | * Open Discussion | 20:03 |
| larsks | Unless anybody wants to add anything. | 20:03 |
| larsks | #topic Summit summary | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit summary (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:03 | |
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| larsks | So, we had a design session at the summit, and there was a rhel atomic + docker presentation that used our work. | 20:03 |
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| larsks | I was at both, and danehans was also at the design session. Was anyone else at either? | 20:04 |
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| * larsks listens to the crickets for a bit. | 20:04 | |
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| larsks | All righty then. So, a brief summary of the design session: | 20:05 |
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| larsks | Folks were generally interested in what we're trying to do. The TripleO folks were there and were interested in how TripleO could leverage the work we're doing with containers. | 20:05 |
| larsks | There was some talk about whether or not we should bother trying to containerize the compute service at this point. I can see reasons to go either way. | 20:05 |
| larsks | There are a few other folks out there working with similar goals (Angus Selkeld and Sam Yaple that I'm aware of) | 20:06 |
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| larsks | Sam is interested in getting involved with us, provided he doesn't run screaming after looking at our existing images... | 20:06 |
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| larsks | Jlackbocki's presentation was packed, and some folks at kolla-related questions at the end, so I'm glad I was able to make it. | 20:07 |
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| larsks | And that's pretty much it for the summit...unless there are questions? | 20:07 |
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| rhallisey | what were some of the questions that people asked at james' presentation | 20:07 |
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| jrist | was there an etherpad for the design session? | 20:08 |
| larsks | There was an etherpad for the design session, although it only saw limited use: | 20:08 |
| larsks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-design | 20:08 |
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| larsks | I talked with a few folks after jlabocki's presentation about the limitations we've run into with Kolla, and about some of the potential solutions. | 20:09 |
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| larsks | Angus (Selkeld) has submitted some kubernetes patches to make k8s work better in openstack -- specifically, adding support for neutron load balanceers, which solves the "how do I expose a service externally" question when running k8s on openstack. | 20:09 |
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| larsks | I also talked with some folks about handling image configuration...actually, that was one of the other topics from the design session: where to draw the line between runtime/build-time configruation. | 20:10 |
| larsks | *configuration | 20:10 |
| larsks | There was a suggestion that maybe rather than releasing a set of images, what we should release is a set of image-building tools, and then people would "bake" configuration into their iamges locally. | 20:11 |
| rhallisey | that's an interesting idea | 20:11 |
| larsks | Stuff that came up included things like etcd/puppet/hiera/consul/etc. | 20:11 |
| larsks | rhallisey: the idea behind it was that there are so many knobs in openstack that it's not possible to make choices that will make everybody happy, and that some of those choices (e.g., cinder backend) would require fundamentally different images. | 20:12 |
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| larsks | I think producing a set of images with defaults that can be used for setting a PoC environment quickly is still a worthwhile goal... | 20:12 |
| larsks | Okay then. | 20:13 |
| rhallisey | agreed, I just get the feeling we can come off as another installer | 20:13 |
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| larsks | Right. I think/hope we can be something more than that (if nothing else, an exploration of how to make use of containers for distributing a complex set of linked software) | 20:14 |
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| larsks | Okay, moving on. | 20:15 |
| larsks | #topic Review of milestone 2 scheduling | 20:15 |
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| larsks | We currently have milestone 2 scheduled for november 21st. | 20:15 |
| larsks | Does that still make sense to people? | 20:16 |
| larsks | I know what with the summit and all that we have been busy with other things. | 20:16 |
| rhallisey | I think it's fine | 20:16 |
| larsks | jpeeler jrist any opinion? | 20:17 |
| jrist | I can't really comment since I'm not currently signed up for anything | 20:17 |
| larsks | Fair enough. | 20:17 |
| jpeeler | yeah, i thought it was set far out in advance originally with the summit in mind | 20:17 |
| jrist | ...yet! | 20:17 |
| larsks | All right, leaving it at 11/21, then. | 20:17 |
| larsks | So that's it for the agenda. | 20:17 |
| rhallisey | jrist, I have 2, you can take horizon or trove | 20:17 |
| larsks | #topic open discussion | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:17 | |
| larsks | So, with the summit over I am going to have to focus more time on my primary responsibilities and less time on containers, shiny though they may be. | 20:18 |
| jrist | rhallisey: I'll take a look | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | larsks, have you used your heat templates with the juno repos? | 20:18 |
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| larsks | rhallisey: Not yet. I'm hoping to update them to fedora 21/juno this week. | 20:18 |
| larsks | Or at least F20/juno. | 20:19 |
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| rhallisey | I have not yet been able to get my environment working | 20:19 |
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| rhallisey | larsks, so I may ping you for some help | 20:19 |
| rhallisey | if that's ok | 20:19 |
| larsks | rhallisey: absolutely! | 20:19 |
| rhallisey | cool thanks | 20:20 |
| larsks | I'm going to start poking at that and at kubernetes > 0.3 this week if I can manage my time effectively :) | 20:20 |
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| larsks | Okay, well, thanks for showing up everyone! | 20:21 |
| larsks | #endmeeting | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 20:21:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-10-19.59.html | 20:21 |
| rhallisey | thanks! | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-10-19.59.txt | 20:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-10-19.59.log.html | 20:21 |
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