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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 15:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| PaulMurray | hi | 15:01 |
| vigneshvar | hi | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | #topic Summit recap | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, I know you were there so you don't need a summary, vigneshvar were you there? | 15:02 |
| vigneshvar | yes i was there | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | we can make this quick then, I had 2 main takeaways for the scheduler: | 15:03 |
| vigneshvar | sure | 15:03 |
| n0ano | 1) Of the kilo imperatives the scheduler clean up is on the list (this is doubleplus good) | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | 2) we have an explicit set of 8 BPs/Specs that, once implemented, everyone agrees the scheduler interfaces are sufficiently cleaned up | 15:04 |
| n0ano | after we do 2) in Kilo we can do the actual split to Gantt in L (gantt as an optional scheduler) and the in M we can hopefully make Gantt the default | 15:05 |
| doron_afk | hi guys | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | doron_afk, hi, did you see my summit summary | 15:05 |
| doron | just a quick updates, many folks are away since there's some holiday today | 15:05 |
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| doron | n0ano: sadly, no/ | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | doron, yeah, I wanted to have the meeting to get things back on track but not much to day. | 15:06 |
| n0ano | OK, just to recap: | 15:06 |
| n0ano | 1) Of the kilo imperatives the scheduler clean up is on the list (this is doubleplus good) | 15:06 |
| n0ano | <n0ano> 2) we have an explicit set of 8 BPs/Specs that, once implemented, everyone agrees the scheduler interfaces are sufficiently cleaned up | 15:06 |
| n0ano | <n0ano> after we do 2) in Kilo we can do the actual split to Gantt in L (gantt as an optional scheduler) and the in M we can hopefully make Gantt the defaul | 15:06 |
| * n0ano cut & paste sort of works | 15:06 | |
| n0ano | does anyone have anything else from the summit they'd like to point out? | 15:07 |
| vigneshvar | This is my first time in the meeting. i was working on a different scheduler blueprint. Now since it wont be part of 8 BPs, could i contribute to one of these | 15:07 |
| doron | yes. To be more specific we have the milestones here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-milestone-targets | 15:07 |
| doron | prio's here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 15:07 |
| n0ano | vigneshvar, sure, any help would be appreciated | 15:07 |
| doron | and scheduler indeed takes a dignified prio. | 15:07 |
| n0ano | doron, indeed, that's why I'm cautiously optimistic that we can actually make progress (emphasis on the cautious) | 15:08 |
| doron | n0ano: +1 | 15:08 |
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| doron | to my best knowledge sbauza is reviewing current bp's. | 15:09 |
| doron | mainly the ones assigned to him. | 15:09 |
| n0ano | kind of sequing (sp) into the next topic | 15:09 |
| n0ano | #topic scheduler BPs for Kilo | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | in the agenda email I sent out I listed the current set of 8 BPs/Specs | 15:10 |
| n0ano | sbauza commented on that list and we're making progress | 15:10 |
| n0ano | once jay gets back from vacation I expect we can find out who's working on what and get some progress made | 15:11 |
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| n0ano | I intend to create a wiki page to track progress on those BPs (I don't like etherpads for that) | 15:11 |
| n0ano | I'll post an email when I have it up and we can fine tune what it looks like. | 15:11 |
| doron | n0ano: quick Q; | 15:12 |
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| doron | should we break the bp's into smaller tasks? (is it needed) | 15:12 |
| doron | just to keep track and see we make it on time. | 15:12 |
| doron | or we can check with jay next week. | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, the list is missing make-resource-tracker-use-objects | 15:12 |
| n0ano | doron, potentially, depends upon the specific BP, the isolate DB ones are well scoped and don't need to change, we can study the others to see | 15:13 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, my bad, looks like I missed that | 15:13 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, I should reply to the list | 15:13 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, I'll be sure to include it into the wiki page and yes, replying on list would be good. | 15:13 |
| n0ano | basically, we need to focus on those BPs and make sure we get them included in kilo, that is going to be my focus for this cycle. | 15:14 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, also something that was to make a pci stats object (s) - like the virt hardware case | 15:15 |
| doron | and reviews are more than welcome to make sure we have as much progress as possible. | 15:15 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, we kind of punted on the PCI issue, we'll need to get the PCI people involved to clean that up properlyu | 15:16 |
| doron | PaulMurray: wasn't it decided to keep it as a blob to make sure it does not block the scheduler efforts? | 15:16 |
| doron | n0ano: indeed so. | 15:16 |
| n0ano | doron, that was my understanding also | 15:16 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, doron, hm, I talked to Jay about it, I went back over the etherpads and found no decision recoreded - I thought it didn't actually get decided | 15:17 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, doron, do you remember more? | 15:17 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, no, I thought it got left punted | 15:17 |
| doron | PaulMurray: well not in so many words, but this is what I remember mostly; | 15:17 |
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| doron | ie- pci folks are needed for the cleanup, and it should not block the scheduler work. | 15:18 |
| n0ano | doron, that's what I remember and I +1 that plan | 15:18 |
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| PaulMurray | ok - I will follow up on that - it was my task to chase up the pci stats | 15:19 |
| n0ano | OK, moving on... | 15:19 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | anyone have anything else to talk about? | 15:19 |
| doron | just a big thanks for everyone on their work last week from /me. | 15:20 |
| n0ano | doron, NP | 15:20 |
| n0ano | OK, I was expecting a relatively short meeting today so I'll let everyone go | 15:21 |
| n0ano | tnx and talk to you next week (if not before) | 15:21 |
| PaulMurray | bye | 15:21 |
| doron | cya all. | 15:21 |
| vigneshvar | since i am new, i would like to know how i can start contributing to scheduler Any pointers or any offline help. I dont want to divert the meeting | 15:21 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 15:21:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-11-15.00.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-11-15.00.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-11-11-15.00.log.html | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | vigneshvar, I'd start by studying those BPs in the agenda email, do code reviews and see if there's any work you want to volunteer for | 15:22 |
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| vigneshvar | n0ano: Thanks | 15:22 |
| n0ano | make sure you hang out on the #openstack-nova IRC channel and ping jayipes or sbauza or me about things you find | 15:23 |
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| vigneshvar | n0ano: Ok i will do that thanks again. | 15:24 |
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| fungi | infra team assemble | 19:00 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 19:00:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | mordred: jeblair: SergeyLukjanov: jhesketh: clarkb: assuming you're not around... i'll defer what needs to be deferred | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #action clarkb figure out gerrit per project third party voting ACLs and third party accounts via openid | 19:02 |
| fungi | #action fungi draft initial third-party liaisons description, to later be amended as needed before publication | 19:02 |
| fungi | (pretty sure we haven't done those yet) | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:03 |
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| fungi | i'm assuming no new developments on Swift logs | 19:03 |
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| AJaeger_ | Now I'm here as well... | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | for third party liaisons, we have jogo for nova and asselin for cinder with DuncanT for mailing lists, and mestery and edgar for neutron | 19:04 |
| fungi | thanks anteaya | 19:04 |
| anteaya | np | 19:04 |
| fungi | asselin: were you wanting to discuss "Puppet module split" wrt the Jenkins module? if not, we can push it off to next week | 19:04 |
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| asselin | I was hoping to get it 'done' | 19:05 |
| asselin | and move on to the next | 19:05 |
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| fungi | okay... so at this point we just need to get the migration change and deletion change merged? | 19:05 |
| fungi | asselin: have links to those? | 19:05 |
| asselin | yes | 19:05 |
| asselin | one sec...didn't realize meeting time changed! | 19:06 |
| fungi | asselin: that's the funny part... the meeting time didn't change ;) | 19:06 |
| bswartz | the meeting time didn't change -- silly americans changed their clocks | 19:06 |
| fungi | (people simply changed their clocks) | 19:06 |
| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131305/ | 19:07 |
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| asselin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131302/ | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/131305 | 19:07 |
| asselin | (many americans wished they didn't have to change clocks) | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/131302 | 19:07 |
| fungi | asselin: set all your clocks to utc and join the movement... i'm recruiting | 19:07 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:module-split,n,z | 19:08 |
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| asselin | that link also has the spec updates that are ready for merge | 19:08 |
| anteaya | movement... hehehe | 19:08 |
| fungi | okay, great. i'm making a note to review those myself--thanks asselin! | 19:08 |
| fungi | we should just get them in and fix whatever they break, if anything | 19:09 |
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| fungi | general discussion on splitting out modules, if we didn't sufficiently cover it before the summit, should probably be saved to next meeting | 19:09 |
| anteaya | we have asked an infra-core to shepherd modules splits, asselin do you have a shepherd? | 19:09 |
| asselin | anteaya, no, not yet | 19:09 |
| fungi | if you don't, you do now | 19:09 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:09 |
| asselin | thanks fungi | 19:10 |
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| anteaya | thanks fungi | 19:10 |
| * fungi will wield the shepherd's crook | 19:10 | |
| anteaya | :D | 19:10 |
| fungi | ianw: you're probably the only one around who has a chance of having updates on "Nodepool DIB" | 19:10 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks, shepherd! | 19:10 |
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| fungi | if not, then we'll move on | 19:10 |
| ianw | fungi: nothing really, we need a upgrade of the hosts to get anything rpm-based going | 19:10 |
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| fungi | right, that matches my recollection | 19:10 |
| fungi | "Docs publishing" | 19:10 |
| fungi | says it's in a holding pattern, so i'm going with that | 19:11 |
| anteaya | waiting on swift logs if I recall correctly | 19:11 |
| fungi | i vaguely recall through the drunken haze that we discussed it some at the summit, but we can go into details next week as needed | 19:11 |
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| fungi | "Jobs on trusty" | 19:11 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:11 |
| fungi | still in progress. glanceclient has ponied up patches that work, so we're down to waiting for that to merge plus python 3.4 updates in trusty | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic puppet-apache (ianw) | 19:12 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/129496 | 19:12 |
| fungi | ianw: you have the floor | 19:13 |
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| ianw | well, did we come to any agreement on the name? | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | I'm still inclined to agree with the httpd fork name (I was lurking around when nibalizer and anteaya were talking about it) | 19:14 |
| anteaya | nibalizer and I both like puppet-httpd | 19:14 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:14 |
| ianw | ok, i'll change it, that's all for that then | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | thanks ianw | 19:14 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #agreed puppet-httpd | 19:15 |
| anteaya | yay no hyphen and underscore | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:15 |
| AJaeger_ | ;) | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic log download (ianw) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/122615 | 19:15 |
| fungi | ianw: the floor remains yours ;) | 19:15 |
| ianw | not much really, if anyone who could possibly +2 this is interested in looking at it, that's would be great | 19:16 |
| fungi | got it. so an osla patch | 19:16 |
| ianw | otherwise it's just kind of stuck | 19:16 |
| ianw | that's all for that | 19:16 |
| fungi | i am a fan of the idea. i'll have a look | 19:16 |
| AJaeger_ | sdague gave a -1 to it | 19:16 |
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| anteaya | ianw: I'd suggest going back to sdague and seeing what you can agree on | 19:17 |
| fungi | i also do think sdague's suggestion has merit. whether in thta change or a follow-on, it's a good idea | 19:17 |
| AJaeger_ | sdague: could you read ianw's comment and followup on the patch? | 19:17 |
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| fungi | so anyway, seems like it's something we'll likely get movement on as people reawaken from their post-summit slumber | 19:18 |
| fungi | #topic Fedora 21 (ianw) | 19:18 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/131921 | 19:18 |
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| ianw | fyi i have been looking at f21 bring-up | 19:18 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/132757 | 19:18 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/132923 | 19:19 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/132925 | 19:19 |
| fungi | exciting. the wheel of progress turns | 19:19 |
| ianw | 131921 i think is actually a nodepool one for centos7 -- per the description i think that's the place to set the path | 19:19 |
| fungi | any interesting developments/gotchas there? | 19:19 |
| ianw | 757 / 923 were the only little issues i found | 19:19 |
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| ianw | i have made good images with diskimage-builder locally | 19:19 |
| ianw | 925 can't really work until we have upgraded the nodepool hosts, similar to centos7 | 19:20 |
| fungi | those look at first glance like good and reasonably trivial fixes | 19:20 |
| ianw | yeah, the only query on the java one was if we want other hosts using java 1.8 | 19:20 |
| ianw | openjdk-1.8 | 19:21 |
| fungi | zaro: as our resident java maven (pun intended)... ^ ? | 19:21 |
| fungi | i don't feel well-informed enough to have an opinion presently | 19:21 |
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| ianw | IMO i think it's best done outside that change anyway | 19:21 |
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| fungi | likely so | 19:21 |
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| ianw | anyway, so i feel like we've got a decent head-start on f21, building nodepool images from the beta .qcow2's would be awesome and have us in a position to test from day-1, which is what i'm hoping for | 19:22 |
| ianw | that's all | 19:23 |
| fungi | neat | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | thanks ianw | 19:23 |
| fungi | #topic Upcoming Project Renames | 19:23 |
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| fungi | looks like we have stackforge/heat-translator -> openstack/heat-translator | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/131558 | 19:23 |
| fungi | deferring scheduling discussion to next week | 19:24 |
| AJaeger_ | yep, seems the only one. | 19:24 |
| fungi | since i'm pretty sure we're nowhere near core quorum ;) | 19:24 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:24 | |
| fungi | knock yourselves out | 19:24 |
| fungi | productive summit, yeah? | 19:24 |
| AJaeger_ | great summit... | 19:25 |
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| fungi | i feel like i got a bunch done, without getting anything done | 19:25 |
| AJaeger_ | Some review love would be great, our queue in project-config is rather long... | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | I'm so happy to have the translations stuff planned out now | 19:25 |
| krtaylor | still processing everything | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | and it was great to meet AJaeger_ and krtaylor | 19:25 |
| krtaylor | absolutely | 19:25 |
| * AJaeger_ has plans for tonight to go through his Action items | 19:25 | |
| krtaylor | me too, lots of summary email to do | 19:26 |
| * pleia2 has plans for tonight to sleep :) | 19:26 | |
| fungi | yep, the translations decision-making is awesome to have out of the way. pleia2: when you get to the point where you need help with anything, let me know | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks, AJaeger_ and I are currently going through the spec I tossed up on Friday, you're welcome to have a look (my first spec, so may be a bit wobbly): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFk-bxRHS7M | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | haha | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133222/ | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | that is the proper link :) the other is notre dame bells | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I just showed up not to block stuff on me, still offically off | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks, enjoy | 19:27 |
| krtaylor | I had one question for infra docs - there is also a third-party docs group forming, should we merge the rfforts, seems like the right thing to do | 19:27 |
| anteaya | kk | 19:27 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: I like the spec, just remembered a few things that we missed ;) | 19:27 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: lets let the third party docs team find each other | 19:27 |
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| anteaya | let's keep the groups separate | 19:28 |
| anteaya | since part of the p0oint is for third party to work with each other | 19:28 |
| anteaya | they can fix up the thridparty.rst file | 19:28 |
| anteaya | for starters | 19:28 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, well, I plan on writing third-party info, but I was planning on that being in the infra doc sprint | 19:28 |
| krtaylor | ok, yes I remember that discussion now | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | it would be helpful to specifically note what third party docs should be landing where, in infra we have http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/third-party.html and http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html right now (plus the jaypipes blog posts to convert) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | it's not fully clear to me what goes where | 19:29 |
| fungi | agreed. that's the official location for that to be documented at the moment, so updating it to be more useful seems like the next relevant step | 19:29 |
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| krtaylor | agreed, we can format and merge that later as needed | 19:29 |
| anteaya | let's focus on the dev docs and core guide at the infra manual sprint | 19:29 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: we need to get that populated | 19:29 |
| fungi | by "that" i mean http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 19:29 |
| fungi | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 19:30 |
| anteaya | before we are pulled off course by special interests | 19:30 |
| krtaylor | yes, we'll focus on fixing that first, but I'll still also help with infra doc | 19:30 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: you are welcome to help with infra doc | 19:30 |
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| AJaeger_ | krtaylor: great! | 19:30 |
| anteaya | but please don't try to turn it into third party | 19:30 |
| krtaylor | I would never! :) | 19:31 |
| anteaya | we need to focus first | 19:31 |
| fungi | and yes, the hope is that the third-party group first collaborates among themselves on updating the existing document, before we start a larger discussion on expanding/relocating it | 19:31 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: exactly | 19:31 |
| krtaylor | thanks | 19:31 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: stay small and focused and get work done first | 19:31 |
| anteaya | once you have a body of work, then we can discuss further | 19:32 |
| fungi | any other exciting news? anyone? if not, you can have a half hour of your lives back | 19:32 |
| anteaya | amsterdam has a purse museum? | 19:32 |
| fungi | that's a frightening thought | 19:32 |
| anteaya | for you | 19:32 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: lost ones? | 19:32 |
| anteaya | I enjoyed it | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | thanks for chairing, fungi :) | 19:32 |
| krtaylor | wow, not sure how to respond to that | 19:32 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: historical | 19:33 |
| anteaya | we quite educational | 19:33 |
| anteaya | fungi: you do a great job chairing | 19:33 |
| * fungi takes a gracious bow | 19:33 | |
| krtaylor | yes, thanks fungi | 19:33 |
| * AJaeger_ applauds fungi | 19:33 | |
| pleia2 | oh, I'm on vacation starting friday, will be back next friday | 19:33 |
| fungi | congrats pleia2 | 19:33 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yay vacation | 19:33 |
| anteaya | pleia2: hope you do it better than I do | 19:34 |
| fungi | we should all be so diligent in our vacationing | 19:34 |
| * AJaeger_ is travelling the next week - it's SUSECon. Don't expect much from me | 19:34 | |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_: ooh, enjoy! | 19:34 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: thanks for the heads up, and happy conferencing | 19:34 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: tee up the reviews and I will go through them next week | 19:34 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: add good comments so if we get resolution while you are away we can proceed | 19:34 |
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| AJaeger_ | btw. my photos from Paris: http://ajaeger.smugmug.com/Events/OpenStack-Summit-2014-Paris | 19:35 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: I'll try | 19:35 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: thanks, you do awesome things :D | 19:35 |
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| krtaylor | AJaeger_, great pics! | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | I wrote 3 blog posts about the summit over at princessleia.com/journal/ incl. qa+infra session notes | 19:36 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: thanks for your blogs, helps me go through what I missed ;) | 19:36 |
| fungi | heh, found myself in the last photo ;) | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_: hooray! | 19:37 |
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| pleia2 | my photos are coming together here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/sets/72157649238029542/ | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | (should have more uploaded this afternoon) | 19:37 |
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| fungi | seems we've finally hit a conversational lull, so i'll call it | 19:39 |
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| fungi | thanks everyone! | 19:39 |
| anteaya | I also am in the last photo | 19:39 |
| anteaya | thanks fungi | 19:39 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 19:39:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-11-19.00.html | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-11-19.00.txt | 19:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-11-19.00.log.html | 19:39 |
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| ttx | reminder: no TC meeting this week. Back next week. | 19:49 |
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| fungi | ttx: is there still a project meeting at 2100 this week, or is it cancelled too? | 20:00 |
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| ttx | anyone here for the project/release meeting ? | 21:01 |
| eglynn_ | tumbleweeds :) | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann, morganfainberg, notmyname, thingee, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:02 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, o/ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 21:02:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic Design Summit feedback | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit feedback (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | First I'd like to ask you for feedback on last week | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Did the format (cross-project + scheduled + meetup) work well for you ? | 21:03 |
| ttx | would you rather have more of one or the other ? | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | the cross-project time was good for me. Oslo didn't have meetup time, but our team went to meetups for other projects so I think that was useful. | 21:04 |
| eglynn_ | mostly good IMO | 21:04 |
| eglynn_ | I would have liked fewer clashes of the newer project sessions (e.g. zaqar) with the cross-project track tho' | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | It felt like the cross-project sessions were largely conflicting booked. but otherwise it was good | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | maybe I am getting old, but I was exhausted for the friday session | 21:04 |
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| morganfainberg | the meetup format was very nice to have, though it wont eliminate the need (at least for Keystone) to have a mid-cycle. | 21:04 |
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| ttx | Did you make use of program pods or were they always taken by someone ? | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | IMO the contributor meetup worked well up to about ~3pm on Friday | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | (when folks started getting zombified and running outta steam) | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | were the meetup sessions productive, or were there too many non-contributors in the room? | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | format was an improvement | 21:05 |
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| asalkeld | eglynn_, yeah that was me | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | dhellmann: productive I think, few radomers in the ceilo case | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i think the bigger issue with the meetup was tiredness and doubled-up rooms. not really non-contributors there | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | *randomers :) | 21:06 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, the latter being a limit of the space we had. | 21:06 |
| david-lyle | meetup worked well for Horizon, some random faces, but not a distraction | 21:06 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, we had a bunch - but they were quiet and sitting on the floor | 21:06 |
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| david-lyle | used pods, shared tables at times | 21:06 |
| ttx | I think the unpredictable agenda and the concurrency of meetups kept most distraction away | 21:06 |
| eglynn_ | the "pod" table was less used during the week in our case, with the expectation of the meetup coming on the Friday | 21:06 |
| ttx | so that worked well, but I agree that didn't work so well late afternoon | 21:07 |
| asalkeld | I didn't use the pods at all | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, the pods were nice, but often were camped because of "good wifi" on the last couple days. the pods were nice - and i want to see them continued. - the dev lounge might need to be bigger so non-pod talk / camping can occur there. | 21:07 |
| ttx | in Vancouver I expect all meetups to go in parallel | 21:07 |
| ttx | since we'll have more space | 21:07 |
| nikhil_k | people were happy with the glance sessions however, the contributor's meetup was way late on friday | 21:07 |
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| nikhil_k | folks too tired | 21:07 |
| ttx | Do you think there is still value in "scheduled sessions" ? | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | I felt like there was a bit more hallway noise than usual. I'm not sure what we could have done with the layout this time around, or if there really was more noise | 21:08 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 21:08 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: yes, concentrates the mind in advance ... usually better prep'd | 21:08 |
| nikhil_k | we'd a pre-summit scheduled sessions on a video conf for glance | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, you mean the scheduled meetup sessions or scheduled sessions like "topic XXX"? | 21:08 |
| nikhil_k | that combined with regular sessions worked out quite well | 21:08 |
| ttx | scheduled sessions (Wed/Thu) | 21:08 |
| eglynn_ | dhellmann: auto-closing doors would have been good :) | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | yeah, scheduled sessions are definitely useful for oslo, since most of our contributors were in and out | 21:08 |
| asalkeld | eglynn_, they were auto opening | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | eglynn_: yeah | 21:09 |
| morganfainberg | I think the scheduled sessions are still important. | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 21:09 |
| ttx | so in summary, you wouldn't change anything ? | 21:09 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 21:09 |
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| eglynn_ | ttx: yeah, I think we need to keep those, otherwise individual's schedules become very difficult to manage | 21:09 |
| david-lyle | maybe less concurrent cross-project tracks | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | it is still nice to be able to go to other project sessions that are relevant | 21:09 |
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| eglynn_ | (since the meetup schedule was so free-flowing, you kinda had to be there all day) | 21:10 |
| david-lyle | or if you're going to have a future of openstack type session, have it stand alone | 21:10 |
| ttx | hm, ok | 21:10 |
| morganfainberg | david-lyle, +1 | 21:10 |
| nikhil_k | and it was too distracting for many a folks as there were many parallel conversations | 21:10 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: what's the conference/design-track "overlap" pattern in Vancouver? ... same as Paris? | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | i guess a compromise is to have a mixture of the two | 21:10 |
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| morganfainberg | "future of openstack" session will trump everything else. | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | david-lyle: maybe a governance track? :-) | 21:10 |
| fungi | i thought it all worked out reasonably well for the infra/qa/rm track stuff. least amount of overlap i've ever had to contend with in my session schedule | 21:10 |
| david-lyle | dhellmann: _1 | 21:10 |
| david-lyle | +! | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, that would work very well | 21:11 |
| ttx | eglynn_: unclear. I think conf will go Mon-Thu, designsummit Tue-Fri | 21:11 |
| david-lyle | can't type, but I agree | 21:11 |
| nikhil_k | If we can avoid important sessions after Friday afternoon it would be great | 21:11 |
| nikhil_k | especially in happening cities | 21:12 |
| eglynn_ | I didn't love the double-sessions ... it didn't feel like we got through twice the material | 21:12 |
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| ttx | One option would be to have a lot of smaller rooms, that are more freely scheduled, and try to attract random people elsewhere | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, largely i'd refine cross-project and dhellmann's suggestion of the governance track (maybe a couple early sessions with no overlap) would be the big changes. Overall format didn't really feel like the issue on any real front. | 21:12 |
| eglynn_ | morganfainberg: +1 to no overlap on contenious governance sessions | 21:13 |
| ttx | eglynn_: I feel like having 300 people in the room instead of 200 won't make a more useful discussion though | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | yeah, i couldn't go to any of those | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think the point is that some people wanted to be able to listen to that discussion, even if they weren't going to contribute | 21:14 |
| morganfainberg | or simply reserve governance stuff to "small directed groups" and the mailing list | 21:14 |
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| morganfainberg | for the larger discussion | 21:14 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: though growth challenges session clashing with say keystone sessions (IIRC) seemed a bit arbitrary | 21:14 |
| ttx | I felt like the pods were overwhelmed because a lot of small circles of people wanted space around a whiteboard | 21:14 |
| david-lyle | but some of the people that could be helpful in the room weren't able to attend | 21:15 |
| ttx | which is good | 21:15 |
| ttx | (the circles, not the inability to attend) | 21:15 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, yes whiteboard space was at a premium | 21:15 |
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| ttx | I felt like most sessions ended up being 10 people discussing with 20 people observing and 190 people leeching wifi | 21:16 |
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| asalkeld | then you can't access the etherpad | 21:16 |
| ttx | so I was wondering if rooms of 30 didn't make more sense than rooms of 300 | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | maybe | 21:16 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, i think you're going to end up with the SD summit problem then. even if you convince people to leech wifi elsewhere | 21:16 |
| ttx | then you have flexibility, but you need to solve the scheduling | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | in many cases, I think that would work | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | but how do say "sorry mate go away, this other guy needs your spot" | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 21:17 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: as long as the 20 engaged ppl can get a seat, yeah that would make sense | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | but i think 30 is too small is my point | 21:17 |
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| morganfainberg | but def. 300 is too many | 21:17 |
| eglynn_ | large dev lounge with good coffee *and* good wifi could be the answer | 21:17 |
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| ttx | asalkeld: if someone books table 1 at 2pm, you can more easily remove the people staying there | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | ttx sure | 21:18 |
| ttx | the problem we had was the most tables were unmarked | 21:18 |
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| asalkeld | but that was more about the small rooms for sessions | 21:18 |
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| ttx | ok -- let's move on, if you have more feedback feel free to send me an email (or post on the ML) | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | maybe we are allowed to priortise by contribution | 21:19 |
| ttx | #topic 1:1 weekly sync times | 21:19 |
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| ttx | I sent you an email asking for your availability on Tuesdays | 21:19 |
| * morganfainberg checks email. | 21:19 | |
| ttx | Please answer to me ASAP so I can propose something in time for the syncs next week. | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | I replied a couple of minutes before the meeting | 21:19 |
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| ttx | Note that you can also delegate that duty to a release management liaison, to free up some of your time. | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Stable branch liaisons | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch liaisons (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:20 | |
| ttx | During the Stable branch session and the infra/relmgt meetup, we decided to switch stable branch approval to per-project teams | 21:21 |
| ttx | Currently it's the same unique team which is core for all stable | 21:21 |
| ttx | The first step is to designate a stable branch liaison, someone responsible for the stable branch backports and reviews for each project | 21:21 |
| ttx | By default that would be the PTL, but I strongly encourage you to delegate that to someone specific | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | ok | 21:21 |
| ttx | I'll post to the ML on that in a few days, but please start thinking who could fill that role in your teams | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | I still don't have +2 for that | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | i think i have someone specific in mind. | 21:22 |
| eglynn_ | responsible for doing backports, or responsible for encouraging the team to backport their own fixes? | 21:22 |
| ttx | The per-project stable-core team would be the liaison + stable-maint-core, then the liaison can ask for more to be added | 21:22 |
| ttx | eglynn_: encouraging the team, then review the backports proposed | 21:22 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: cool, that makes sense | 21:23 |
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| ttx | we'd explain the stable branch policy to all the people proposed to make sure that the rules are followed | 21:23 |
| ttx | and if they are ok with those, we'd add them | 21:23 |
| ttx | that makes sure that we get time to present how stable branch rules work | 21:23 |
| ttx | which was the major objection to switching to per-project teams | 21:24 |
| ttx | exceptions to the stable rules would still be raised to stable-maint-core | 21:24 |
| ttx | (like th erecent [stable ] thread on -dev | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | ok | 21:24 |
| ttx | anyway, I'll post to the ML about this, but you can already look for candidates :) | 21:24 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:25 | |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:25 |
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| asalkeld | nothing from me | 21:26 |
| ttx | I expect us to be back at full speed next week | 21:26 |
| fungi | nothing from infra afaik | 21:26 |
| morganfainberg | nothing from keystone. | 21:26 |
| eglynn_ | nowt from me | 21:26 |
| ttx | Thanks for coming! | 21:26 |
| ttx | ok then, I'll close in 30 seconds | 21:27 |
| ttx | unless someone pushes the button | 21:27 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 21:27:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-11-21.02.html | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-11-21.02.txt | 21:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-11-11-21.02.log.html | 21:27 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:27 |
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| morganfainberg | cheers. | 21:28 |
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