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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 08:01:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Hello, who is around for i18n meeting? | 08:02 |
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| ujuc | hi :) | 08:02 |
| * Fdot is here \o_ | 08:02 | |
| Fdot | hello Daisy | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Hi, ujuc and Fdot | 08:02 |
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| epico | hi | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 08:02 |
| epico | :) | 08:03 |
| ujuc | \o_ :) | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Review the status of TODO last time | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | Last meeting, there were a few TODO items. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | Let's see the status. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | 1. Daisy to follow up with the creation of dedicate mailing lists for translation teams. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | I did some discussion off line with community people. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | There is no concerns from technical perspective. Just we need to state clearly the reason why we need dedicate mailing list for each translation team, other than using the existing i18n mail list. | 08:06 |
| Fdot | Daisy sorry i am late in my e-mails, i am answering to you about this ;) | 08:06 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | What's your point? Fdot | 08:06 |
| Fdot | I would prefere to have a dedicate mailing list for french translators | 08:07 |
| Fdot | there is already a french openstack community list | 08:07 |
| Fdot | but it is dedicated to the french openstack association | 08:07 |
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| Fdot | and i prefere to separate the subjects | 08:07 |
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| Fdot | this is not the same goals and the same people behing | 08:08 |
| Daisy | how about using i18n mail list but with different tags? | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | just like openstack-dev | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | There are more developers than translators. They are using 1 mailing list, just with different tags. | 08:09 |
| Fdot | Daisy: we can try like this, but i am afraid that translators are going to receive too many emails and so don't take care about the one concerning the french translation | 08:09 |
| Fdot | but we can start like this | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | OK. Let's start from i18n but different tags. | 08:10 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: ok | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Frankly speaking, I don't think i18n mailing list is active as developers mailing list. For now, i18n mailing list has no problems to support different translation teams. | 08:11 |
| epico | Daisy, +1 | 08:12 |
| Daisy | There is another advantage to use i18n ML. We could have more translators to pay attention to the whole team discussions. | 08:12 |
| ujuc | :) | 08:12 |
| Fdot | Daisy: I understand, we can try like this and if it doesn't works we will create dedicate list ;) | 08:12 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: +1 | 08:12 |
| Daisy | ok. agree. | 08:12 |
| Daisy | Fdot, so you could have your translators to register i18n ML. I will do the same. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | ujuc, you take care of Korean transaltors. | 08:13 |
| ujuc | yap | 08:13 |
| Daisy | action #2. chandankumar to add contents about how new comers start contributions. | 08:13 |
| Fdot | I am going to send an e-mail to our active french translator, on transifex et update our page on the wiki ;) | 08:13 |
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| Daisy | action 3. Daisy & chandankumar to write wiki pages to cover guidance to new comers, bug reporters, translation work items, and etc. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | Sorry chandankumar and I didn't make much progress. I will follow up and keep your updated next week in ML. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | action 4. Daisy to send to ML about the work to add translators contribution into stackalytics.com | 08:15 |
| Daisy | I tried a few people off line. | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | anish_ from China would like to take a look at it. | 08:15 |
| Daisy | anish_ now is working on https://github.com/zanata/zanata-python-client. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | he knows python and Zanata. He would be a good person to take care of this work item. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | The blueprint is registered. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/translators-contribution | 08:16 |
| Daisy | Hope we could make some progress in this release. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | action 5. chandankumar & Daisy would take care of the glossary. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Sorry no progress with this one also. | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | chandankumar is quite busy with his company project. | 08:18 |
| anish_ | Hi | 08:18 |
| Daisy | Hi, anish_ | 08:18 |
| * anish_ could not realize i got disconnected from IRC | 08:19 | |
| Daisy | I just introduce you to the team. | 08:19 |
| anish_ | hi Daisy | 08:19 |
| anish_ | thank you | 08:19 |
| Daisy | You are from Indian and Redhat. You are working on zanata-python-client. You will help us to take care of translators contribution in stackalytics. | 08:20 |
| Daisy | We are going to move to next topic. | 08:20 |
| Daisy | #topic Documentation translation plan in Kilo | 08:20 |
| anish_ | thanks! | 08:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation translation plan in Kilo (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:20 | |
| epico | anish_ :) | 08:20 |
| Daisy | It's better to make a document translation plan in Kilo. | 08:21 |
| Daisy | According to the table: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation | 08:21 |
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| Daisy | High priority: | 08:22 |
| Daisy | api-quick-start | 08:22 |
| Daisy | api-ref | 08:22 |
| Daisy | glossary | 08:22 |
| Daisy | Medium priority: | 08:22 |
| Daisy | Common | 08:22 |
| Daisy | install-guide | 08:22 |
| Daisy | image-guide (9879) | 08:22 |
| Daisy | The Chinese, French, Korean translations of api-quick-start are done and on-line now. | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | our next choice may be api-ref. | 08:23 |
| Daisy | It's 4151 words. | 08:23 |
| Fdot | Daisy the wiki page doesn't seems to be updated | 08:23 |
| Fdot | I don't see the heat guides ;) | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 08:24 |
| Daisy | So Fdot, do you have time to update it? | 08:24 |
| Fdot | Daisy: I am going to try to find it ;) | 08:24 |
| Daisy | Thanks, Fdot. | 08:24 |
| Daisy | anyway, api-ref could be our next work item. | 08:25 |
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| Daisy | or another more useful document ? like image-guide or install-guide? | 08:25 |
| Daisy | Fdot, what's your opinion? | 08:25 |
| Fdot | daisy : hot-reference | 08:25 |
| Fdot | is important :) | 08:26 |
| Daisy | hot-reference is not in the table. | 08:26 |
| Fdot | Yes I am going to add it | 08:26 |
| Daisy | Is it stable now? | 08:26 |
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| Fdot | To be honnest I don't know but it is seems to be | 08:27 |
| ujuc | transfix status 'do-not-translate-yet'... hot-reference... | 08:27 |
| Daisy | OK. | 08:27 |
| Fdot | In the wiki page I have to add hot guide and upgrade guide | 08:27 |
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| Daisy | Thanks Fdot. | 08:28 |
| ujuc | :) | 08:28 |
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| Daisy | Fdot, do you against we start the translation of api-ref ? | 08:29 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: no | 08:30 |
| Daisy | If you prefer another document, I will take your opinion into consideration. I think you understand documents much more than me. | 08:30 |
| Fdot | the only problem for api-ref is we can't translate everything | 08:30 |
| Fdot | currently personnaly I am more focus on Heat documentation | 08:31 |
| Fdot | because it is related to works | 08:31 |
| Fdot | ;) | 08:31 |
| Daisy | what will be left in api-ref? | 08:31 |
| Daisy | table? | 08:31 |
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| Daisy | WSDL? | 08:31 |
| Fdot | WSDL | 08:31 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:31 |
| Daisy | It's all right. | 08:32 |
| Fdot | in which you have a lot of things | 08:32 |
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| Daisy | Do you have better choices than api-ref? | 08:33 |
| Fdot | api-ref and hot guide :) | 08:33 |
| Fdot | unfortunatly the heat guide is not in transifex :( | 08:33 |
| Fdot | could be a good choice too | 08:34 |
| Daisy | why heat guide is not in transifex? | 08:34 |
| Daisy | do you know the reason? | 08:34 |
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| Fdot | I don't know | 08:34 |
| Daisy | #action Fdot to update the document table in wiki. | 08:34 |
| Fdot | this is the first guide which is not based on docbook | 08:35 |
| Fdot | but on RST | 08:35 |
| Daisy | that might be the reason. | 08:35 |
| Fdot | Daisy: probably ;) | 08:35 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: action done :) | 08:35 |
| Daisy | So let's start with api-ref. | 08:36 |
| Daisy | where is hot guide? | 08:37 |
| Daisy | I don't see hot guide in the table. | 08:37 |
| Daisy | hot guide means "Heat Orchestration Template (HOT) Reference " ? | 08:37 |
| Fdot | hot-reference | 08:37 |
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| Fdot | :) | 08:37 |
| Fdot | yes | 08:38 |
| Daisy | I see. | 08:38 |
| Fdot | I have just added 2 lines for hot reference et upgrade guide | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | I think installation guide is very useful. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | What's your point to translate installation guide? | 08:39 |
| Daisy | installation guide for juno should be stable, I think. | 08:39 |
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| Fdot | OpenStack is a very complicate product | 08:40 |
| Fdot | to install | 08:40 |
| Fdot | if you want to deploy OpenStack you a have to speak english | 08:40 |
| Daisy | :) | 08:40 |
| Fdot | because all the help you are going to search is in english | 08:41 |
| Fdot | so it is better to keep the install guide in english | 08:41 |
| Fdot | I spoke about this with a lot of developers and everybody is agree with that | 08:41 |
| Daisy | ok. interesting point. | 08:42 |
| Fdot | translating the guide is not doing a favor to the person who want to install it ;) | 08:42 |
| Daisy | When I install openstack, I followed a blog written in Chinese. | 08:43 |
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| Fdot | I used a documentation in english ;) | 08:43 |
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| Daisy | anyway, let's start from api-ref. | 08:44 |
| Fdot | Daisy: yes :) | 08:44 |
| Daisy | I think it will take some time. After api-ref is done, let's figure out the next document together. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | OK. I have done all topics now. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 08:44 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: could be nice to be able to works on : http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/on_devstack.html | 08:44 |
| Fdot | ;) | 08:44 |
| Daisy | I could take a look at it. Discuss with Andreas. | 08:46 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: thanks a lot :) | 08:46 |
| amotoki | is anyone working on trnasltaion check site by openstack infra? | 08:46 |
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| amotoki | s/by/on/ maybe | 08:46 |
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| Daisy | Since we are going to move to Zanata in this release, if supporting RST needs development work, I prefer to put it low priority. After we finish the migration to Zanata, of course, we need to support RST. | 08:47 |
| Daisy | amotoki: I didn't follow up with it now. | 08:47 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: you mean to follow up with infra to support transaltion check site? | 08:48 |
| amotoki | Daisy: yes. | 08:48 |
| Daisy | ok. I could do it next week. | 08:49 |
| amotoki | i can provide tools or configurations but i don't have time to work on it in this release. | 08:49 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to work on the translation check site by infra. | 08:49 |
| amotoki | thnx Daisy | 08:49 |
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| Daisy | welcome, amotoki | 08:49 |
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| Daisy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/enable-i18n-test | 08:49 |
| Daisy | This is what I'm going to do in this release. | 08:50 |
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| amotoki | btw, Juno translation import has been merged several hours ago. it will be shipped this week. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | I'm going to work on i18n test. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Thanks, amotoki. | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Are some translations automatically filled from TM? | 08:50 |
| Daisy | People who are interested in i18n test could work together with me on this blueprint. | 08:51 |
| amotoki | re: i18n test, in horizon case, we check if message catalog can be generated in pep8 test | 08:52 |
| amotoki | and translation message catalog validation is done through devstack now. | 08:52 |
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| amotoki | during stack.sh, horizon message catalogs are compiled in mo files, so if translation is bad devstack will fail. | 08:53 |
| Daisy | amotoki: can you point me to the test codes ? | 08:53 |
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| amotoki | I believe so, but we need to check if devsatck fails in such cases. | 08:53 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: is it possible to "get html source codes of horizon pages, test if all strings are displayed as the mock translations." ? | 08:54 |
| amotoki | Daisy: message catalog generation: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/horizon/tree/tox.ini#n25 | 08:54 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: I mean, to test if all messages are wrapped with translation tags. | 08:55 |
| amotoki | Daisy: got it. | 08:55 |
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| amotoki | IMHO this kind of things can be checked by tools in project repo rather than tempest. | 08:55 |
| amotoki | Daisy: neutron has this kind of tool: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/tools/check_i18n.py | 08:56 |
| Daisy | One developer in my company complained to me the hard coded strings were found very near to juno release. they have to fix in a rush. They hope to find this kind of problems as early as possible. | 08:56 |
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| amotoki | but this tool generates many false positive, so it is not enabled in the gate. | 08:57 |
| Daisy | thanks for these information. I will take a look at them. | 08:57 |
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| Daisy | Time is over. | 08:59 |
| Daisy | I will close the meeting now. For further discussions, we could use #openstack-translation. | 08:59 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 08:59 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 08:59:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-12-04-08.01.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-12-04-08.01.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-12-04-08.01.log.html | 09:00 |
| anish_ | Thank you! | 09:00 |
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| Fdot | thanks a lot Daisy :) | 09:00 |
| amotoki | see you, bye. | 09:00 |
| Fdot | have a good day / evening everybody :) | 09:01 |
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| Daisy | Fdot, have a good day. | 09:01 |
| Fdot | Daisy: thanks :) | 09:01 |
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| epico | thanks :) | 09:05 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 14:59:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 14:59 |
| eglynn | hey y'all! | 14:59 |
| fabiog | hey | 14:59 |
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| nealph | hello! | 14:59 |
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| eglynn | #topic Kilo-1 blueprints | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-1 blueprints (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | not looking too bad at this stage | 15:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | it would be great to get the two blocked BPs unblocked by EoW | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | expecially ready-ceilometer-rbac-keystone-v3 | 15:01 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I'll do my best ... caught in a lot of "internal" things ... | 15:01 |
| eglynn | fabiog: coolness, thank you sir! | 15:01 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| fabiog | eglynn: can we merge the spec for RBAC? I noticed it did not go in yet ... | 15:02 |
| eglynn | fabiog: when I was reviewing https://review.openstack.org/115717 I tried to figure out if other any services were "domain-aware" as yet | 15:03 |
| eglynn | fabiog: seemed only heat was using the concept in anger | 15:03 |
| eglynn | fabiog: is that correct, do you know? | 15:03 |
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| ityaptin | o/ | 15:03 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think V3 support is not really there for services yet | 15:03 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | o/ | 15:03 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I will ask Morgan about V2 deprecation timeframe. | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: (and yes, I think we can probably merge the spec with the understanding that it'll be a phased thing, and the domain support will come later) | 15:04 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeah, that's a good point | 15:04 |
| eglynn | fabiog: I'd imaging the deprecation path will have to long, since so many services depend on it | 15:04 |
| eglynn | I'd *imagine | 15:04 |
| fabiog | eglynn: yeah, also there were discussions event to skip V3 in favour of V4, hierarchical projects ... but I haven't seem too much action around it | 15:05 |
| eglynn | slightly related to releasing, here's the slate for the first release off stable/juno | 15:05 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/2014.2.1 | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: yeah, I'd imagine that'll be Lemming timeframe (as opposed to Kilo)? | 15:05 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yeah they will probably start in Lemming (I didn't know that is the name :-)) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | fabiog: cool ... not the official name, but seems to be the standard joke when refering to the L* cycle :) | 15:07 |
| eglynn | BTW on that stable/juno release, if anyone is interested in getting more involved in stable-maint, let me know | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | backports are fun! :) | 15:07 |
| eglynn | ... no really, they are | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | k, moving on from releases | 15:08 |
| eglynn | #topic Packaging of the merged compute/central agents | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging of the merged compute/central agents (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:08 | |
| eglynn | IvanBerezovskiy wanted to discuss this | 15:08 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | we have now two packages for both agent. How it should be after merging Dina's patches? | 15:09 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | Do we need in two packages for backward compatibility or not? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | IvanBerezovskiy: I made some comments in the specs review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119077/11/specs/kilo/merge-compute-and-central-agents.rst | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:merge-compute-and-central-agents,n,z | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, am I right that the main idea is something like this: let's keep two packages for compute/central agents | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | going to the new code | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | using the namespaces option | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | and create new package with merged agent? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | yeah I'd expect packagers to make the transition by adding a net-new openstack-ceilometer-polling package | 15:11 |
| eglynn | ... but to maintain support for the existing openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages also | 15:11 |
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| gordc | did we ever figure out how to handle scenario where we have one agent on compute and one agent elsewhere but both in same group... wouldn't compute tasks go to foreign agent and fail? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | for a allinone PoC => install penstack-ceilometer-polling | 15:11 |
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| gordc | disclaimer: i haven't been following this spec. | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | that means openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages depends on openstack-ceilometer-polling, right? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | gordc: hmmm, the merged agent would have to join multiple partition groups surely? | 15:12 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | they should depend in this scenario, I think | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, they won't be in one group :) | 15:12 |
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| DinaBelova | the group-prefix depends on the namespaces | 15:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: (one for the central partitioning, the other for the compute partitioning) | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | for now | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | if it will be other type of setting - via pollster-list | 15:13 |
| gordc | cool cool. it'd be a doc thing. | 15:13 |
| gordc | carry on. :) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose to have all of them being in groups defined by this list as well | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha, cool | 15:13 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: for the Fedora packaging, all the openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages really provide is the upstart/systemd config for the service | 15:13 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: i.e. not actual python code | 15:13 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: got that, thx | 15:14 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | eglynn, if we'll have 3 packages (for compute, central and common-polling), what about puppets? we need in update to use third package | 15:14 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: all those packages then depend on a common package which contains all the python code | 15:14 |
| llu-laptop | so there will be a ceilometer-common where all those depends on | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | IvanBerezovskiy: again I mentioned that also in the review comment linked above | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | TL;DR: we'll need a new puppet manifest for the combined agent | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, what's the process of contributing to the packages? | 15:15 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: for Fedora? | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, well.... | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | I don't know process at all >_< | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | so I'm basically interested in Fedora, CentOS and Ubuntu :D | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | hehe | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: here's the info on the Fedora package https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/openstack-ceilometer/ | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: from which the CentOS and RHEL packaging (RDO and RHOS) is also derived | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha, cool | 15:17 |
| llu-laptop | DinaBelova: I guess the process will be different, at least from my colleagues experience of packaging for FC & Ubuntu | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | so basically that's contrubution process | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop, a-ha | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | do you have any details? | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: becoming a Fedora packager involves gradually building up karma, commit rights etc. | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: I can dig out some links on that later | 15:17 |
| llu-laptop | DinaBelova: sorry I don't, just heard from him | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks! | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, it'll be really nice | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop, ok, I'll try to investigate :) | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: for the .deb packaging, I don't know much about how it works, but I'm guess similar | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, I suppose the common process should be the same | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: Chuck Short (zul) would be a good source to ask about that | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, zigo I guess is the nice point to contact :) | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | ok, let's move on I guess | 15:19 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ah yes, of cource, zigo too :) | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | that's just an announcement :) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | yep, let's move on | 15:19 |
| eglynn | #topic "TSDaaS/gnocchi status" | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | notable landings | 15:20 |
| eglynn | ... sileht got the gnocchi dispatcher and related circularity patches in \o/ :) | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | ... jd__ landed some fine-grained RBAC policys for the entity CRUD API | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | also Entities are no longer Entities :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | now they're known as Metrics | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, /me fighting with gnocchi and devstack :) finally won it -> some opentsdb progress is coming | 15:22 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: \o/ nice one! ... I'll steal your notes on the fun you had getting that working :) | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | np :) | 15:23 |
| idegtiarov | metrics looks better for me then entities ))) | 15:23 |
| jd__ | sileht is also working on aggregation | 15:23 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: +1 | 15:23 |
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| DinaBelova | idegtiarov, at least more understandable about what's it in fact :) | 15:23 |
| jd__ | and I'm gonna continue policy implementation over archive policies and resources | 15:23 |
| idegtiarov | DinaBelova: for sure | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | jd__: coolness | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, got problems with policies btw | 15:23 |
| jd__ | I'm also working on a new documentation generator running real queries against Gnocchi to have real examples up to date | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | on the devstack + gnocchi | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yeah, I haven't seen that aggregation patch update yet, looking forward to reviewing it | 15:24 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: let's debug in #openstack-ceilometer then :) | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I found the workaround | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | but it's tricky | 15:24 |
| sileht | I will try to land the devstack patch too | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, debug is coming :) | 15:24 |
| jd__ | otherwise things look pretty good | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | sileht: excellent | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | jd__: coolness, anything else on gnocchi? | 15:25 |
| jd__ | not yet :D | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop | speaking of gnocchi, I saw 2 bps for ceilometer of adding new DB backend support, what's our general guide here? encourage them to add support into gnocchi instead of ceilometer? | 15:25 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: cassandra you mean? | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop, yes, good question! | 15:26 |
| llu-laptop | I saw one cassandra, and maybe another | 15:26 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeah, I tried to gently nudge towards gnocchi | 15:26 |
| _nadya_ | and db2 woke up... | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | cassandra change has one more issue actually... | 15:26 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: but IIRC the contributor seemed some interested in "classic" ceilo | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | too much cassandra heplers in the ceilo code was proposed | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | much -> many, was -> were | 15:27 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i have no intend on making elasticsearch db for gnocchi... apologies. | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | imho no matter gnocchi or ceilo that should be separated lib | 15:27 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: yeah, the cassandra patch has a bunch of code i think should really be in it's client... or maybe i'm too dumb to understand it... let's assume the former. | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, ++ | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I think it's ok if it's for event support | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | for samples, it seems like it's not a good idea anymore if we plan to drop the old API | 15:28 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: right, elasticsearch | 15:28 |
| eglynn | seems like the effort of adding a driver would be rewarded with more future "shelf-life" on the gnocchi side | 15:29 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: yep, but how to explain this to contributors? :) | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, -2s? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | _nadya_: copy paste what I wrote? ;) | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | :( | 15:30 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: hehe | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_: well we can't dictate what they spend their effort on, the best we can do is "nudge" towards gnocchi | 15:31 |
| _nadya_ | DinaBelova: why -2? because "we refuse to accept new changes in drivers, we have new policy"? | 15:31 |
| nealph | _nadya_: +1. aren't we telegraphing a bit if we don't allow them to add to "classic" cm? meaning, -2's is saying "you can't" | 15:31 |
| * eglynn prefers the carrot to the stick in this context | 15:32 | |
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| DinaBelova | _nadya_, nope, but if just words won't work and we could not encourage people to move their code to gnocchi | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | what else can we do? | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | merge to ceilo? | 15:32 |
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| DinaBelova | that's also variant... | 15:33 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: yep, agreed that we can't... but we don't wan't to have a lot of "unneeded helpers" in the code | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | but that'll be kind of useless efforts for contributors.. | 15:33 |
| eglynn | my hope would be that if we can explain the future benefits of gnocchi, that reasonable contributors will want to be a part of that | 15:33 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: agreed | 15:33 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: +1 | 15:34 |
| _nadya_ | DinaBelova: yep, I just raising the question :) unfortunately I don't know how it should be resolved in opensource | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, yeah.. | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | k, shall we move on? | 15:34 |
| _nadya_ | maybe we may add smth like "our wishes to contributors" on wiki :) | 15:35 |
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| idegtiarov | _nadya_: good point | 15:35 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: yeah, it would be good to have to "loose" policy/preferences written down that we could point to | 15:35 |
| gordc | _nadya_: no one reads the wiki... (see most blog posts about ceilometer) | 15:35 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: yep, sorry for interrupting, go on | 15:35 |
| nealph | _nadya_: I think a general explanation of architectural direction would do the same....plus get more eyes. | 15:35 |
| cdent | gordc: is that because there's nothing real there? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | #topic "Final call on dates/location for mid-cycle" | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CeilometerKiloMidCycle | 15:36 |
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| gordc | cdent: but my fancy architecture diagram?!?!? lol | 15:36 |
| cdent | it is pretty nice | 15:36 |
| gordc | lol | 15:36 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: it seems that we are going for the week of 20 in Gallway | 15:36 |
| cdent | only because of the rotation though ;) | 15:36 |
| gordc | cdent: true true. :) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yep, are you good on the organizational side of that? | 15:37 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yes, if we confirm I can go ahead and start | 15:37 |
| eglynn | fabiog: well it seems we have quorum in terms of folks signed up | 15:38 |
| fabiog | DinaBelova: any news on your attendance (company approval)? | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, not yet... to early... | 15:38 |
| nealph | fabiog: eglynn: but is there a list of compelling topics to cover? | 15:38 |
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| DinaBelova | too* | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, sorry | 15:38 |
| eglynn | nealph: my focus will be on gnocchi migration | 15:38 |
| jd__ | I'm a bit worried about the low attendance for that mid cycle | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | not sure I've many things to say face to face to DinaBelova, eglynn and ildikov | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: 6 below quorum do you think? | 15:39 |
| jd__ | not that I don't miss you guys | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: LOL :) | 15:39 |
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| cdent | I don't yet know if I'd be able to go, but would like to | 15:39 |
| fabiog | eglynn: how many we were in Paris? | 15:39 |
| jd__ | but we can also spend some afternoons in a Hangout and that might be equally OK to me I think | 15:39 |
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| fabiog | cdent: aren't you kind of local? | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: hmmm, same ballpark I think, maybe one or two more? | 15:39 |
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| _nadya_ | jd__: you may write the code, not only talking :) | 15:40 |
| * jd__ just thinking out loud | 15:40 | |
| jd__ | _nadya_: right | 15:40 |
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| gordc | eglynn: is this being combined with other projects like last time? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, I would like to mix up the format and not spend all the time on round table discussion as before | 15:40 |
| jd__ | could we move it south at least? Caribbeans anyone? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | gordc: nope, just ceilo IIUC | 15:40 |
| eglynn | fabiog: (unless the other HP folks in Galway want to pile on?) | 15:41 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think some discussion around "access" scope would be good | 15:41 |
| eglynn | fabiog: "access" scope? | 15:41 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think it will be mainly Ceilo at this stage | 15:41 |
| cdent | fabiog: yes, but budgeting is rather confused | 15:41 |
| eglynn | fabiog: do you mean travel options to Galway? | 15:42 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yes to decide what grants to give based on Domain or Project | 15:42 |
| fabiog | eglynn: no is a topic for the meeting ..: -) | 15:42 |
| eglynn | eglynn: a-ha, k, got it | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | right let's pullk together to quick etherpad with topic suggestions | 15:43 |
| fabiog | Ok. So do we have consensus on the meeting? | 15:43 |
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| fabiog | or any objection? | 15:43 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... as agreed as we'll ever be I think | 15:43 |
| fabiog | eglynn: well, I will consider the meeting to happen and start planning | 15:44 |
| gordc | same as last meetup for me... will join via hangouts unless kickstarter comes through again. | 15:44 |
| eglynn | gordc: drats! :( | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | I guess anyone who's interested in attending, but unsure of budget ... please chase approvals if you can so that we've got a solid headcount | 15:45 |
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| fabiog | I think the unsure are DinaBelova and cdent | 15:45 |
| fabiog | and gordc at this stage | 15:45 |
| eglynn | yeap | 15:45 |
| cdent | I'll sail. | 15:45 |
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| cdent | (if I had a sailboat) | 15:45 |
| eglynn | I'll cycle :) | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, basically after the summit costs companies will send people only if really important quesiotns will be discussed, etc.... that's why budget approval stuff might work only if it'll be kind of specific agenda, etc. | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | cdent, what I should do???? | 15:46 |
| * jd__ waits for the agenda too | 15:46 | |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: good point, let's work on firming up the agenda this week | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, sorry to say this | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | I can't go to my manager and say "send me somewhere" :) | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | at least not so easy :D | 15:46 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yep, I understand | 15:47 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: we've seen the news... you guys are rich now :P | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, I did not see this money :D | 15:47 |
| cdent | ha! | 15:47 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: hehe, yep | 15:47 |
| jd__ | next time I want this office http://www8.hp.com/lamerica_nsc_carib/en/contact-hp/office-locations.html | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, hehe | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | not bad | 15:48 |
| fabiog | jd__: I offered Sunnyvale in CA | 15:48 |
| jd__ | fabiog: yeah I voted for that one :p | 15:48 |
| fabiog | but you guys all signed up for Gallway ... :-) | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | ocean is cold there :) | 15:48 |
| eglynn | could folks start throwing topic suggestions into this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/galway-jan-2014-ceilometer-sprint | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | sorry folks, I'm gonna have to run shortly | 15:49 |
| eglynn | I'm late for a company event starting at 1600UTC | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | OK if we close a few mins early today? | 15:50 |
| nealph | jd__: I've been fighting for a meeting at the HP Sydney office.... | 15:50 |
| jd__ | yep boss | 15:50 |
| eglynn | jd__: thank you sir! | 15:50 |
| eglynn | thanks for you time folks, 'fraid I'm gonna have to cut and run! | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | I guess all important moment are discussed :) | 15:50 |
| * cdent has 10 last minute things to keep eglynn | 15:50 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks! | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | cdent: LOL :) | 15:50 |
| fabiog | ok, thanks | 15:50 |
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| _nadya_ | thank, guys! | 15:51 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 15:51:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-12-04-14.59.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-12-04-14.59.txt | 15:51 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 17:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 17:00 |
| dkranz | here | 17:00 |
| jeff_coho1 | hello | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_4th_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
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| andreaf | 0/ | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| dkranz | :/ | 17:01 |
| * jogo lurks | 17:01 | |
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| yfried_ | hi | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: just a heads up that the meeting is going on :) | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:02 |
| kirshil | hi | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tagging removal of Tempest XML support? (mtreinish) | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | so I wanted to get input from everyone about whether we should push a new tempest tag | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | since we removed all the xml tests from tempest last week | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | I felt it could be considered a big enough change to warrant a new tag | 17:03 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any opinions on this? | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: it is, but I am not sure who would use it | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't think I would | 17:03 |
| andreaf | dkranz: I was about to ask the same question | 17:03 |
| jogo | tags are cheap. so why not | 17:04 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: still there's no harm in creating one, for reference | 17:04 |
| dkranz | andreaf: true | 17:04 |
| yfried_ | jogo: +1 | 17:04 |
| jeff_coho1 | +1 | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then I'll push tempest-3 out later today to mark the removal of xml | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to push tempest-3 tag for xml removal | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any open spec reviews they'd like to bring up? | 17:06 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: No, but I feel negligent about not reviewing the current ones. Many are weeks old. | 17:06 |
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| yfried_ | dkranz: maybe we should hold a spec review day? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, yeah I feel the same way, I plan to dedicating a lot of time tomorrow to go through the current queue | 17:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: me too. Let's call tomorrow spec review day :) | 17:07 |
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| yfried_ | dkranz: I was serious | 17:07 |
| dkranz | yfried_: so was I. | 17:08 |
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| dkranz | yfried_: I think we can take care of them | 17:08 |
| yfried_ | dkranz: enjoy | 17:08 |
| yfried_ | dkranz: :) | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if no one has any specs to discuss today, we can move on | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: You up for that too? | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm sure he is :) | 17:10 |
| andreaf | dkranz: sorry I was afk for a minute | 17:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz : yes it sounds ok | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | #info Tomorrow 12/5 will be an informal specs review day | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have an open bp to discuss | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I guess I should bring up: | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/branchless-tempest-extensions | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | since dkranz you brought this up on the ML | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I started on the clients-return-one-value but need to update the blueprint | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok cool | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right. I just did not know what the plan was | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I would still like it better if we just stopped using 'all' | 17:15 |
| jlanoux_ | dkranz: +1 | 17:15 |
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| yfried_ | mtreinish: you want to add every extension explicitly? | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | yeah so the issue with that bp is it's against tempest but the patches are for devstack and devstack-gate so they don't get picked up automatically | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | but I respun the devstack patch so it works now | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | so hopefully we'll start to get that landed next week | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | and we'll be able to add tests for new extensions soon | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | sorry my network dropped out | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | what was the last message from me? :) | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: the plan is to stop using all on the stable branches | 17:16 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I got that part | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: yes that's the plan, the devstack patch uses verify-tempest-config to generate the list of all extensions | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: https://review.openstack.org/126422 | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Just not sure what the motivation is for devstack to not write the list | 17:17 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: so "all" would still apply to master? just wanted to make that clear? | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But it is not a big deal I guess | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | yfried_: yes | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it's because when a new extension get's added we don't want to have to update things, we should assume all extensions are enabled by default on master testing | 17:17 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: ok. I like having the explicit list even in master (I don't like the "all" option) but that's just me | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | it comes back to the discovery bugs, which is the reason we have that option in the first place | 17:18 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: ok. I just think it would be better if the default in config.py would hold the entire explicit list | 17:19 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: makes it easier for newcomers to see and disable what they don't want | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: and what is that list? if nova adds an extension it's no longer everything | 17:19 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, it would require new extensions to be added to tempest | 17:20 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: well, we know what we are checking for, as in skip if not in "extension" | 17:20 |
| yfried_ | correct me if I'm wrong, but we mostly use the extensions to check if "Ext" or "All" | 17:21 |
| yfried_ | so just add Ext to the list | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: yes, that's the issue on master the list is transient | 17:21 |
| yfried_ | but let's not get stuck on this. maybe a spec is in order | 17:21 |
| dkranz | In any event, 'all' is the way it is now | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | we'd be capturing a snapshot at 1 time and it wouldn't be correct at any other time necessarily | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yes, let's move on we can discuss this more after the meeting if needed | 17:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think there should be a spec if some one wants to change this | 17:22 |
| yfried_ | dkranz: mtreinish: I'll write a spec. let's move on | 17:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: because it is a process issue to keep it up to date | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have an open blueprint to discuss? | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on then | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: any updates on devstack? | 17:24 |
| dtroyer | The two things I wanted to mention are both spec-related. I'm writing a spec for the logging/service renaming stuff so that should hit early next week. | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | oh, cool | 17:26 |
| dtroyer | Chmouel's spec for including plugins from other repos is up and I've just started looking at it. I think that is our priority right now really. | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | ok | 17:26 |
| chmouel | o/ | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, those are both priorities that I know a lot of people are interested in | 17:26 |
| dtroyer | there was a question in there regarding what to do with existing plugins in the devstack repo after that is complete, I'd like to consider moving some of those back out…the criteria for that I expect will be a bit contentous. | 17:26 |
| yfried_ | chmouel: link? | 17:26 |
| chmouel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137054/ | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | yfried_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137054/ | 17:27 |
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| dtroyer | jinx | 17:27 |
| yfried_ | tnx | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: heh, yeah that criteria could be a bit contentious | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | FWIW, my original thoughts regarding layers 1/2/3 still stand and that's where I'm going to start. this is a non-governance thing, just a devstack thing… | 17:28 |
| chmouel | or maybe not, maybe they would be happy to just take care of it? | 17:28 |
| chmouel | (of their devstack's plugin) | 17:28 |
| dtroyer | being in the repo is like being incubated…it's a flag for others to know if something is "OK" | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah I think that's fine, I'd be even inclined to say just layers 1 and 2 in devstack | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | but I think something like that is fine | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | as long as we make it clear | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | on other news, I'm also looking at the various things that want to muck around with LVM handling now. it needs some attention, as-is we could wind up with 3 or 4 backing files to manage, each differently | 17:29 |
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| dtroyer | that's it for me, anyone else? | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on then | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, dtroyer, sdague: are there any updates on grenade this week? | 17:32 |
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| jogo | there was a but of unbreak the world work | 17:33 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/grenade+is:merged,n,z | 17:33 |
| jogo | but thats it | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | oh, yeah all the reqs fun from new oslo releases... | 17:34 |
| jogo | hehe | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | ok well if there's nothing else on grenade we'll move on | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | #topic | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | #undo | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Future of "large-ops" testing | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | yfried_: I'm guessing you added this | 17:35 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: yeah | 17:35 |
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| yfried_ | so I have 2 issues | 17:35 |
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| yfried_ | 1 - is the current test. | 17:35 |
| yfried_ | It's **only** a nova test | 17:36 |
| yfried_ | and I am not sure what is the value of having it run both with neutron and with nova | 17:36 |
| jogo | yfried_: well actually it hit a bug in rootwrap | 17:36 |
| jogo | which was python is dumb | 17:37 |
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| yfried_ | jogo: weird, because as much as I understand it, currently it boots the VM without any neutron involvment | 17:37 |
| jogo | yfried_: nova uses rootwrap too | 17:37 |
| yfried_ | either way - do we need it to run 3x2 times on each patch? | 17:38 |
| jogo | yfried_: large-ops on neutron is not an ideal test IMHO | 17:38 |
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| yfried_ | jogo: don't spoil my next point please:) | 17:38 |
| jogo | but when setting it up we caught several neutron bugs | 17:38 |
| jogo | 3x2? | 17:38 |
| yfried_ | (neutron, nova) x (master, juno, icehouse) | 17:38 |
| jogo | ohh tempest fail | 17:39 |
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| jogo | yeah I don't think we need to run large-ops on juno and icehouse IMHO | 17:39 |
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| yfried_ | jogo: so removing 4 gates is a good start | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I think we can drop those stable sanity jobs on tempest | 17:39 |
| yfried_ | can we agree on that? | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | yfried_: push a patch out to do it | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | and I'll review it | 17:40 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: will do | 17:40 |
| jogo | the risk is we make the large-ops test stricter and break stable branches | 17:40 |
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| yfried_ | jogo: could you please explain? | 17:41 |
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| jogo | yfried_: yes | 17:41 |
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| jogo | yfried_: if we make the tempest large-ops test do more | 17:41 |
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| jogo | and its only tested against master | 17:41 |
| yfried_ | jogo: that's my next point | 17:41 |
| jogo | due to branchless tempest, we can break large-ops for stable/* | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | jogo: This is the dirty laundry of branchless tempest | 17:42 |
| jogo | we can move stable large-ops to experimental or something | 17:42 |
| jogo | dkranz: yup | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: yeah that's fine | 17:42 |
| yfried_ | jogo: I'd like to extend large ops into a multi-boot test with actual vms and network | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh that's a good way to describe it | 17:42 |
| jogo | yfried_: that is very risky due to small devstack vms in the gate | 17:43 |
| yfried_ | https://review.openstack.org/136789 | 17:43 |
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| jogo | yfried_: why not make nova fake virt driver do more networking? | 17:43 |
| yfried_ | jogo: it won't necesserily run 100 vms on gate | 17:43 |
| jogo | yfried_: still, it doesn't take a lot to overload a tiny gate VM | 17:43 |
| yfried_ | jogo: well, I'm completely unfamiliar with the fake virt driver | 17:43 |
| jogo | yfried_: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/virt/fake.py | 17:44 |
| yfried_ | jogo: we can start with 2-4 vms in a test (secgroup scenario does that already) | 17:44 |
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| jogo | yfried_: so large-ops is a different job because it uses the fake virt driver | 17:44 |
| jogo | so it needs a different devstack setup | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: think of this way when we were running 8 threads in the gate (ie booting 8 servers at once) things fell apart because of the load | 17:45 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: so 2 vms only on the gate, in an experimental job | 17:45 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: my main target here is to have a test for operators to run with stress framework | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: we do that now indirectly on regular jobs | 17:46 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: not in a single command | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: we have a stress job defined and you can add additional configs to it | 17:46 |
| yfried_ | mtreinish: I already found a bug in neutron<-> nova events while working on it | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: we can take this to -qa, and dkranz or I can show you how to add on to that | 17:47 |
| sdague | so the reality is large-ops honestly isn't really a tempest test | 17:47 |
| sdague | it's a specific greybox test | 17:47 |
| sdague | that got jammed into tempest because we were doing a lot of jamming | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: true, but there could be a stress test that is a lot like it, no? | 17:47 |
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| sdague | dkranz: so maybe, except it won't actually do anything of the stressing we care about in that case | 17:48 |
| dkranz | yfried_: Why don't you consider what you are trying to do to be a "new" test and get away from the large-ops test? | 17:48 |
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| yfried_ | dkranz: yeah, that's what I'm trying to convey | 17:48 |
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| dkranz | yfried_: There is too much baggage around the large-ops test | 17:48 |
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| dkranz | yfried_: so call it something else | 17:49 |
| yfried_ | maybe starting with large ops as base was wrong | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | so we're at ~10min so we can take this to -qa after the meeting | 17:49 |
| yfried_ | I was just looking to reuse some of the code | 17:49 |
| dkranz | yfried_: doesn't matter | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | yfried_: or right a spec with what you're trying to do and we can discuss it there | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | s/right/write | 17:49 |
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| yfried_ | mtreinish:very well. I'm done | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have a review to bring up for a qa project that they'd like extra eyes on? | 17:50 |
| kirshil | yeah ipv6 related in particular https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117458/ | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117458/ | 17:51 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/54403 | 17:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't have a specific one, but there a fair number of reviews that are pretty old. | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: do you want to schedule another review day? | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | jogo: wow that's a low number | 17:51 |
| kirshil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112336/ | 17:51 |
| jogo | that is a year old ^_^ | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | kirshil: ok, I'll try to take a look at those today | 17:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok. I think I may also add something to the project review panel for no action in 7 days, and put it at the top | 17:52 |
| sdague | jogo: yeh, honestly, these are the kinds of rules I sort of hate in hacking | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it should already have a section for that | 17:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We have one for no action after 2 days at the bottom | 17:52 |
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| sdague | so you realize that the H30* rules are part of the reason that we've lost a ton of useful git history in file moves, right? | 17:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but maybe my dashboard is out of date | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: no, I think that's right. You can push another patch to sdague's project to reorder or add a section | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | I think that's fine | 17:54 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yeh, I have a 5 days no action at the top of the nova one | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: ++ | 17:55 |
| clarkb | sdague: wait the history is still there | 17:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: just let me know what change you want to the qa dashboard | 17:55 |
| jogo | lost history? | 17:55 |
| clarkb | sdague: you shouldn't lose any history in a file move | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: I can do it myself if you remind me which repo | 17:55 |
| sdague | clarkb: you can't git log the file any more and trace it back | 17:55 |
| jogo | I am fine with dropping H30x or whatever, I just want to resolve this | 17:55 |
| clarkb | sdague: not on the file name but you can still git log on it | 17:55 |
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| sdague | clarkb: right | 17:55 |
| sdague | but it means that tracing back a git annotate gets pretty hard | 17:56 |
| clarkb | sdague: not really, use the power of -p | 17:56 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, show me the tricks then :) | 17:56 |
| clarkb | or at least that seems to be my swiss army knive of looking at history | 17:56 |
| clarkb | sdague: git log -p | 17:56 |
| clarkb | its pretty verbose but you can use other options to narrow the output down | 17:56 |
| jogo | --follow | 17:56 |
| clarkb | and it gives you full diff history along the way | 17:56 |
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| clarkb | also ya follow. -p is useful for >1 file | 17:57 |
| sdague | oh, but I can't get the annotate though, right? | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | well were at ~3min so does anyone else have a review to bring up | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we'll end here | 17:57 |
| jogo | so this specific path https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54403 | 17:57 |
| clarkb | I think you can usually you can compose those options /me tests | 17:57 |
| jogo | is there to make the error message easier to understand | 17:58 |
| clarkb | oh you mean git blame? | 17:58 |
| jogo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1392525 | 17:58 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392525 in hacking "H307 being raised when import block is in the wrong order" [Critical,In progress] | 17:58 |
| sdague | clarkb: yeh | 17:58 |
| sdague | annotate is the nice way to say it thought | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | sdague: but blame is better :) | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're basically at time | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 17:59:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-12-04-17.00.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-12-04-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting! | 20:59 |
| mikal | mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 | 20:59 |
| mikal | ^-- you have been pinged | 20:59 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 20:59:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 20:59 |
| mikal | Who do we have around for the nova meeting? | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: o/ | 21:00 |
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| _gryf | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Excellent | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo specs / blueprints | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo specs / blueprints (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
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| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | All blueprints and specs for juno need to be approved by kilo-1 (December 18th) | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| mikal | ^-- that's what we said at the summit at least | 21:00 |
| gilliard | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | So... If you're holding off on updating a spec, now would be a good time to do that | 21:01 |
| mikal | It would be nice to avoid a mad rush at the end if at all possible | 21:01 |
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| mikal | Also, as a gentle reminder, we also said Non-priority Feature Freeze is kilo-2 (February 5th) | 21:01 |
| n0ano | mikal, did you mean specs for kilo? | 21:01 |
| alexpilotti | I have 2 BPs for Hyper-V | 21:01 |
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| mikal | So, not getting a spec approved at kilo-1 would be a problem for landing the code by kilo-2 | 21:01 |
| mikal | n0ano: sigh, yeah, that | 21:02 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | we're still 3 cores to sponsor an exceptoin in k-2? | 21:02 |
| mikal | Cut and paste from the agenda in my defense | 21:02 |
| mriedem | i can't remember | 21:02 |
| _gryf | mikal, I've 1 BP for host health awaiting for comments | 21:02 |
| mikal | mriedem: we haven't discussed it yet | 21:02 |
| mikal | mriedem: so I think we're still unsure there | 21:02 |
| mikal | _gryf: there are a few in that state, I am sure reviewers will get to it when they can | 21:02 |
| mriedem | i guess we wait until k-1 is passed | 21:02 |
| mikal | mriedem: yeah, its not urgent yet | 21:03 |
| _gryf | mikal, gr8 | 21:03 |
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| mikal | So, we also seem to have one blueprint which is asking for the "Trivial" fast track | 21:03 |
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| mikal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hw-iscsi-device-name-support | 21:03 |
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| sdague | that feels familiar, like we put a fix in late in juno for it | 21:04 |
| mikal | Does anyone have an objection to that bp beign approved as a fast track? | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | seems ok, hard to know w/o POC patch | 21:05 |
| sdague | no objection, seems like just a bug fix though | 21:05 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | yeah, was just about toi say | 21:05 |
| dansmith | just make it a bug and move on | 21:05 |
| mikal | Well, let's just approve this then | 21:05 |
| mikal | Instead of making them turn it into a bug | 21:05 |
| alaski | yeah, seems fine to me | 21:05 |
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| mikal | Ok, I will approve | 21:05 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: Speaking with johnthetubaguy, he asked me to bring here two “trivial” Hyper-V BPs (not requiring specs) | 21:05 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: should I post the links now or would you prefer to discuss them later? | 21:06 |
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| mikal | Let's do it now | 21:06 |
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| alexpilotti | mikal: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-ovs-vif | 21:06 |
| alexpilotti | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-serial-ports | 21:06 |
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| mikal | Ok, first one first... | 21:07 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: cool, tx! | 21:07 |
| mikal | The VIF one is driver feature parity | 21:07 |
| dansmith | both are | 21:07 |
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| alexpilotti | yep | 21:07 |
| dansmith | both seem fine, assuming they're small, which they seem to be | 21:07 |
| mikal | So, I'm ok with approving the first one | 21:07 |
| mikal | (Haven't read the second yet) | 21:07 |
| dansmith | not requiring major changes to anything core, just implementing things | 21:07 |
| mikal | No one objects to the first one? | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | nope | 21:08 |
| mikal | Ok, I will approve | 21:08 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: correct, implementation is quite small | 21:08 |
| mikal | Now the second one | 21:08 |
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| mikal | Looks fine to me | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | yep | 21:09 |
| alaski | No virt driver api needs to change? | 21:09 |
| alexpilotti | no | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i think the virt api already has it | 21:09 |
| dansmith | right | 21:09 |
| mriedem | hyper-v just needs to implement right | 21:09 |
| mriedem | k | 21:09 |
| alexpilotti | alaski: it’s a feature parity one as well | 21:09 |
| dansmith | this is just implementing it | 21:09 |
| alaski | okay. seems fine to me then | 21:09 |
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| mikal | I'm gonna approve | 21:09 |
| tonyb | alexpilotti: Can you try to Cc me on the implementation of the 2nd one. I was thinking about chaning the way the serial console stuff works (probably in L) | 21:09 |
| mikal | Any other fast track approval requests from anyone? | 21:10 |
| alexpilotti | tonyb: sure, we’ll post the code for review this week | 21:10 |
| mikal | Moving on? | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | sure | 21:11 |
| tonyb | alexpilotti: cool thanks | 21:11 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo priorities | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo priorities (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:11 | |
| alexpilotti | thanks guys! | 21:11 |
| mikal | So, this is mostly a reminder that we have the priority review etherpad | 21:11 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:11 |
| mikal | I've been trying to keep on top of review of those things | 21:11 |
| mikal | But there isn't a lot listed there are the moment | 21:11 |
| mikal | So perhaps people have forgotten to update with their new reviews for priority things? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | not me, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | just at the bottom of a cycle of pushing new things | 21:12 |
| mikal | That's cool. This is just a reminder to authors and reviewers really. | 21:12 |
| mikal | Moving on... | 21:12 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | better | 21:13 |
| mikal | mriedem / jogo: talk to me | 21:13 |
| mriedem | if you didn't know from earlier in the week, | 21:13 |
| mriedem | the gate was fubar'ed | 21:13 |
| mriedem | but looks better now | 21:13 |
| mikal | Yeah, I saw some of that | 21:13 |
| mikal | Excellent | 21:13 |
| mriedem | oslo decided to release everything they had on the same day | 21:13 |
| mriedem | kind of broke some things | 21:13 |
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| jogo | mriedem: nova didn't break much though right? | 21:13 |
| sdague | so that's going to be the norm for oslo, a lot more releases | 21:13 |
| jogo | as in nova wasn't to blame | 21:13 |
| mriedem | jogo: nova was doing some naughty things that oslo updates exposed | 21:14 |
| sdague | nova was to blame on the bad mocks for locks | 21:14 |
| mriedem | yup | 21:14 |
| dansmith | oh man | 21:14 |
| dansmith | rhymy goodness | 21:14 |
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| mikal | Heh | 21:14 |
| mriedem | otherwise we look ok http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 21:14 |
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| dansmith | "mocks for locks" being a rebel band of salmon-loving freelance coders | 21:14 |
| jogo | sdague: ohhhh I blanked out on the nova unit tests wedged for a day | 21:14 |
| sdague | yeh | 21:15 |
| gilliard | did we ought to consider pinning our oslo dependencies more strictly and upping the version in a review? | 21:15 |
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| sdague | gilliard: that's not allowed | 21:15 |
| sdague | and it causes a whole other set of problems | 21:15 |
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| mikal | Is there anything else on the gate or should we move on again? | 21:16 |
| sdague | one question, the docker job in check? | 21:16 |
| sdague | who's staying on top of that? | 21:16 |
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| mikal | sdague: as in its failing all the time? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i'm not seeing the usual containers people in here | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | yeah http://logs.openstack.org/46/97946/27/check/check-tempest-dsvm-docker/41c0379/testr_results.html.gz | 21:17 |
| sdague | yeh, as in failing all the time, all the output format for that job is weird | 21:17 |
| mriedem | can we sick anteaya on them :) | 21:17 |
| dansmith | that job was just added, right? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | yup | 21:17 |
| mikal | So, there is a RH guy whose name I've forgotten who was working on that | 21:17 |
| dansmith | and it's already not looked-after? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | dims: ^? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | dims: you know the RH guy's name right? working on nova-docker. | 21:18 |
| dims | Ian Main (Slower) | 21:18 |
| mikal | Yeah, that's the one | 21:18 |
| * dims reading | 21:18 | |
| mikal | So, we should ping him I suppose and cc anteaya | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i'll look for an e-r query on the failure | 21:18 |
| mikal | If it keeps failing we can drop it back out again | 21:18 |
| sdague | the intent is to gate nova on an out of tree driver? | 21:19 |
| mikal | Ian is certainly the author of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128753/ | 21:19 |
| dims | i have a review in progress - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138714/ | 21:19 |
| mikal | So its in his best interests to be paying attention to this | 21:19 |
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| mikal | sdague: not gate no | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | yeah i'll get the bug opened if there isn't one, and an e-r query up, i see the failure in the compute logs | 21:19 |
| mikal | sdague: but the docker people wanted to do the "move back into nova" two step | 21:20 |
| mikal | Which is that that linked review above is | 21:20 |
| sdague | ah, ok | 21:20 |
| mriedem | yeah, so they should be squeeky clean :) | 21:20 |
| mikal | mriedem: agreed, we need them to take this seriously | 21:20 |
| mikal | sdague: thanks for raising it | 21:20 |
| sdague | sorry, hadn't seen any ML on it so I was wondering | 21:20 |
| mikal | Anything else on gating? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | nope | 21:20 |
| mikal | Oh, I guess one thing | 21:20 |
| mikal | Who is chasing Ian? | 21:20 |
| mikal | sdague or mriedem or me? | 21:20 |
| * sdague not it | 21:21 | |
| dims | 2 folks primarily Eric (erw) and Ian | 21:21 |
| mikal | I just want to be clear on who is going to reach out so it actually gets done | 21:21 |
| mikal | mriedem: want to do it or shall I? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | mikal: i'll get the bug reported, | 21:21 |
| mriedem | and ML thread on it | 21:21 |
| mikal | mriedem: thanks | 21:21 |
| mriedem | looks like we don't index the docker logs, | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | so can't get logstash on it | 21:21 |
| sdague | mriedem: something is bonkers on the dir format as well | 21:22 |
| dims | is that specific test case failing all the time? | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | dims: w/o e-r i can't tell | 21:22 |
| sdague | dims: no idea, also, why I asked who is the shepard of that job | 21:22 |
| sdague | because someone should be on top of it | 21:22 |
| mriedem | i'll start the process... | 21:23 |
| mriedem | it's 3rd party CI so not indexed in our logstash | 21:23 |
| mikal | mriedem: is that true? | 21:23 |
| mikal | mriedem: its run in infra land | 21:23 |
| sdague | it's not 3rd party | 21:23 |
| mikal | IIRC | 21:23 |
| sdague | it's in the check queue | 21:23 |
| dims | i've been updating stuff there when i broke stuff with oslo updates to nova | 21:23 |
| dims | fyi | 21:23 |
| mriedem | clarkb: said it wasn't infra | 21:23 |
| dims | but am not a core there | 21:23 |
| sdague | really... ? | 21:23 |
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| sdague | ok, lets offline that | 21:23 |
| dims | k | 21:23 |
| mikal | Ok, let's take this one to the mailing list and a bug or two | 21:23 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:24 |
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| mikal | I sneakily added this one to the agenda just now | 21:24 |
| mikal | Because we forgot it, which is lame | 21:24 |
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| mikal | We have one critical bug with no assignee | 21:24 |
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| mikal | A Xen SSL thing | 21:24 |
| mikal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1374001 | 21:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374001 in nova "Xenserver glance plugin uses unsafe SSL connection" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:24 |
| sdague | oh, that's still open | 21:24 |
| dims | melanie was doing something w/ that if i remember right | 21:25 |
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| dansmith | it's xen only, so it's not critical anyway, right? | 21:25 |
| mikal | dansmith: that's true | 21:25 |
| melwitt | dims: yes. it's constrained to python 2.4 so it's not straightforward | 21:25 |
| dims | ah. right | 21:25 |
| mikal | melwitt: are you still working on that or should we unassign you? | 21:26 |
| sdague | well it is a security bug that we released a sec advisory on a 18 months ago | 21:26 |
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| sdague | honestly, I think it's actually "can't fix, xen is full of sec holes" | 21:26 |
| sdague | because the dom0 is so old | 21:26 |
| mikal | Erm, vote not me to do that press release | 21:26 |
| jogo | xenfail | 21:26 |
| melwitt | mikal: I can update the patch again with what jerdfelt suggested, do nothing for 2.4 and warn, do something if > 2.6. other than that we don't know a better way | 21:27 |
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| melwitt | >= 2.6 I mean | 21:27 |
| nikesh_vedams_ | hi | 21:27 |
| mikal | melwitt: sounds reasonable to me | 21:27 |
| melwitt | mikal: okay, will do that then | 21:27 |
| sdague | it's vaguely actually python is crazy pants. We only get SSL cert verification in the *next* python 2.7 release | 21:27 |
| mikal | Are there any other bugs that people want to shout about? | 21:28 |
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| alaski | yes | 21:28 |
| alaski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/832507 | 21:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 832507 in nova "console.log grows indefinitely" [High,Fix released] | 21:28 |
| tonyb | alaski: I'm working a a spec for that | 21:28 |
| mikal | The bug that keeps on giving | 21:28 |
| tonyb | I know its a bug but the fix is big an intrusive | 21:28 |
| mikal | alaski: do you have a specific concern? i.e. is it hurting you at the moment? | 21:28 |
| alaski | yeah, there have been multiple proposed fixes | 21:28 |
| alaski | mikal: no. just is it being actively pursued or do we mark it as wont fix for now | 21:29 |
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| alaski | but it sounds like there are plans | 21:29 |
| mikal | alaski: I tricked tonyb into having a look | 21:29 |
| tonyb | alaski: the only one I think will work is a helper the manage the log file andf can then be logrotated on the operators schedule | 21:29 |
| dansmith | sounds like the answer is: tonyb to the rescue | 21:29 |
| mikal | tonyb: unless we fixed qemu... | 21:29 |
| mikal | tonyb: you do seem to love the qemu codings | 21:29 |
| dansmith | yeah, that doesn't work | 21:29 |
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| tonyb | mikal: Umm fool me twice .... shame on me ;P | 21:30 |
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| alaski | mikal: awesome | 21:30 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:30 |
| mikal | Moving on? | 21:30 |
| alaski | tonyb: do you mind assigning it to you? | 21:30 |
| mikal | Apart from "FIX LOTS OF BUGS PLEASE" | 21:30 |
| tonyb | alaski: sure | 21:30 |
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| nikesh_vedams_ | mikal:can we assign a release for this blueprint "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hw-iscsi-device-name-support" | 21:30 |
| alaski | tonyb: awesome, thanks | 21:31 |
| mikal | nikesh_vedams_: oh, I forgot milestones | 21:31 |
| tonyb | alaski: done | 21:31 |
| mikal | nikesh_vedams_: I will fix that after the meeting | 21:31 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:31 |
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| mikal | There are a few here | 21:31 |
| nikesh_vedams_ | mikal:thanks | 21:31 |
| mikal | And I specifically don't want people to get personal here please | 21:31 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123957/ | 21:31 |
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| mikal | For this one, tonyb fixed a qemu bug | 21:32 |
| mikal | But the debate is how we work around distros without the fix | 21:32 |
| mikal | If in fact we work around them at all | 21:32 |
| dansmith | I got a little more info from pbrady on this | 21:32 |
| mikal | Its been in review since September | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | I wanted him to come offer details here, but he had a conflict | 21:32 |
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| tonyb | dansmith: phooey | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | so, we have bz's listed with workarounds in the libvirt driver | 21:33 |
| dansmith | tonyb: apparently the office holiday party is more important | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | one at least for live migrate on older versions of libvirt | 21:33 |
| mriedem | is there a bz for this and rhel? | 21:33 |
| dansmith | there is, | 21:33 |
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| mikal | tonyb has done a bug tracking page for distros | 21:33 |
| dansmith | and I also got an ETA of "within a week" for this fix being available to RHEL/CentOS users | 21:33 |
| mikal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug1368815 | 21:34 |
| mriedem | how far back in RHEL? | 21:34 |
| tonyb | dansmith: we got that same ETA pre-Paris | 21:34 |
| dansmith | it's already in proposed fixes repos for fedora and ubuntu | 21:34 |
| tonyb | dansmith: but they are closer | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | dansmith: for fedora21 not for 19 or 20 | 21:34 |
| dansmith | tonyb: that's fair I guess, I wasn't in on the discussion at that point | 21:34 |
| dansmith | tonyb: yeah, but it's fedora | 21:34 |
| tonyb | nothing for sles or gentoo | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok, so only rhel 7, not 6.5 | 21:34 |
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| dansmith | anyway, the impact of doing this is pretty significant, | 21:35 |
| sdague | if it's not getting fixed in 6, that seems problematic | 21:35 |
| tonyb | mriedem: correct no 6.x fixes | 21:35 |
| mriedem | hmm | 21:35 |
| dansmith | both system performance impacts, and what it means for us long-term and not knowing when we can remove it | 21:35 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: I'd have to check if that's affected | 21:35 |
| mriedem | so i know rdo only supported juno on rhel 7, | 21:35 |
| dansmith | tonyb: did you ask someone about 6? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | but we have compute node support for rhel 6.5 and juno | 21:35 |
| tonyb | mriedem: but i though rhel7 was the one true rhel now from pur pov | 21:35 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: not mine | 21:36 |
| dansmith | 6 is still pretty important for us so I'd be surprised if we're not fixing it | 21:36 |
| tonyb | dansmith: I grabbed the centos source as a quick check | 21:36 |
| dansmith | also because this affects other products | 21:36 |
| sdague | so this only occurs on qcow from glance on initial explode to raw? | 21:36 |
| mikal | So, one suggested option was a flag | 21:36 |
| mikal | Which no one seems to love | 21:36 |
| dansmith | I think it's also worth noting that this fix does not address the many other places we create images, | 21:36 |
| mikal | But might be the only option? | 21:36 |
| tonyb | so I'll check RHEK/Centos 6.x and open a bug if required but that doesn't help the review ... | 21:36 |
| dansmith | and also pbrady is not sure that this doesn't just narrow the window for the race | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | and he would... know :) | 21:37 |
| mriedem | someone get the lampshade off his head and cocktail out of his hand | 21:37 |
| dansmith | mikal: so, I don't love the flag, but I love it more than just blindly putting it in | 21:37 |
| dansmith | mikal: also, the other option was just push this into stables that are currently supported | 21:37 |
| mikal | dansmith: I did ask tonyb to check other uses of qemu-img in the code BTW | 21:37 |
| mikal | dansmith: I think he did an audit IIRC | 21:38 |
| dansmith | mikal: and the other is that we push this into master and just remove it when some number of distros support it, instead of trying to keep it until we're sure it's globally fixed | 21:38 |
| tonyb | and I've done that. | 21:38 |
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| mikal | Ok, so there's a proposal there | 21:38 |
| mikal | What do people think of putting this in stable only | 21:38 |
| mikal | And telling people in the release notes for Kilo that they must use a qemu with this bug fix? | 21:38 |
| mikal | "must" | 21:38 |
| tonyb | the migration and snapshot code /could/ be problematic but they use slightly different code paths in qemu | 21:38 |
| tonyb | the glance case it the only place (that I found) where we use qemu-img convert on something that isn't managed by qemu | 21:39 |
| dansmith | tonyb: pbrady seemed to think they *were* problematic, but I really don't know the details | 21:39 |
| sdague | hmmm... any idea if this is related to the live snapshot fails we had going to trusty? | 21:39 |
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| tonyb | sdague: point me at the specific bug and I'll let you know. | 21:39 |
| dansmith | lets talk about options | 21:40 |
| kaisers_ | sdague: yep, good question, is there a ticket for those fails? | 21:40 |
| dansmith | because if we can do something less nuclear, we should just do that | 21:40 |
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| sdague | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1334398 | 21:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1334398 in nova "libvirt live_snapshot periodically explodes on libvirt 1.2.2 in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 21:40 |
| kaisers_ | sdague: thnx | 21:40 |
| sdague | so I think flag is probably least worse option | 21:40 |
| mikal | sdague: less worse than stable only fixes? | 21:40 |
| tonyb | sdague: Thanks, I'll digest that and get back to you | 21:40 |
| dansmith | stable-only is my preference, but on the flags thing: | 21:41 |
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| sdague | default on until we feel it's relatively fixed in the field, then default off and deprecated | 21:41 |
| dansmith | we could have a section for workarounds where we put more of this sort of thing | 21:41 |
| dansmith | it also makes it easier for us to track workarounds we have in our code | 21:41 |
| mikal | dansmith: as in a flag group? | 21:41 |
| dansmith | because they're tied to CONF.workarounds.qemu-img-foo | 21:41 |
| mikal | dansmith: I think that's a good idea | 21:41 |
| dansmith | mikal: yeah | 21:41 |
| sdague | yeh, workarounds group sounds good | 21:42 |
| mikal | It also marks those thigns as flags you shouldn't twiddle without thought | 21:42 |
| dansmith | so let's just do that and distros can override that if they know they're fixed | 21:42 |
| sdague | sure | 21:42 |
| mikal | I actually really like that idea | 21:42 |
| dansmith | mikal: yes and you can set them all to off if you want purity or whatever | 21:42 |
| mikal | We could also immediate deprecate the workaround flag | 21:42 |
| mikal | i.e. start removal in L | 21:42 |
| dansmith | depends onthe thing, but sure | 21:42 |
| mikal | Yeah, in this case I mean | 21:43 |
| dansmith | yes | 21:43 |
| sdague | mikal: I'd wait to deprecate this one until there are actually fixes in the field | 21:43 |
| sdague | because those are still waiting on the future | 21:43 |
| dansmith | they're available by repo to most people | 21:43 |
| dansmith | but whatever :) | 21:43 |
| mikal | sdague: sure, we could leave the specifics of that to a code review | 21:43 |
| sdague | dansmith: I thought you said another week for rhel? | 21:43 |
| mikal | Also, OMG, we just made a plan | 21:43 |
| mikal | Ok, let's do that | 21:43 |
| dansmith | sdague: there is a proposed repo/channelf or them too I think | 21:43 |
| dansmith | sdague: centos has packages | 21:44 |
| mikal | I also want to publicly thank tonyb for chasing this and fixing qemu for us | 21:44 |
| dansmith | just not in default repos I think | 21:44 |
| mikal | Although I am massively biased here | 21:44 |
| sdague | ok, can we also confirm the fixes close the issue? | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I'm not and I'm massively grateful to him :) | 21:44 |
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| tonyb | for the most part they'er in testing only repos in fedora/ubuntu don't know about centos | 21:44 |
| dansmith | sdague: the distro bugs have repro reports | 21:44 |
| sdague | ok | 21:44 |
| dansmith | but really, | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I don't care when we deprecate it | 21:44 |
| dansmith | as long as we have a road | 21:45 |
| tonyb | so I'll send the next version today | 21:45 |
| mikal | We really need to move onto the next stuck review in the list... | 21:45 |
| mikal | Cause time | 21:45 |
| tonyb | I'll add a comment in gerrit refereing to this log | 21:45 |
| dansmith | tonyb: hit me up when you do | 21:45 |
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| tonyb | and you'll all approve it right? | 21:45 |
| tonyb | dansmith: Thanks. | 21:45 |
| mikal | tonyb: I believe dansmith reads the code first | 21:45 |
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| mikal | SSL options - do we make them per-project or global, or both? Neutron and Cinder have config-group specific SSL options, Glance is using oslo sslutils global options since Juno which was contentious for a time in a separate review in Icehouse (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84522/). Now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131066/ wants to break that out for Glance, but we also have a patch for Keystone to use the global oslo SSL options, https://review. | 21:45 |
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| mikal | ^-- mriedem in the agenda | 21:45 |
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| tonyb | mikal: of course ;P | 21:45 |
| mriedem | yeah, so i put something on the ML about that too | 21:45 |
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| mriedem | basically to get attention to the inconsistency, | 21:46 |
| mriedem | we don't have to decide here but we should figure it out since some reviews are kind of stalled on this i think | 21:46 |
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| sdague | so... in what universe do we actually want half a dozen ca's defined in nova.conf? | 21:46 |
| mriedem | in icehouse i liked markmc's idea of DictOpt for default global ssl options and then you can override for service-specific options if you wanted | 21:46 |
| dansmith | sdague: more common than you might think I bet | 21:46 |
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| melwitt | I think I liked the idea of oslo global with subsections for each service | 21:46 |
| mriedem | i haven't looked at the DictOpt stuff in code | 21:47 |
| melwitt | which is what mriedem just said I think | 21:47 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:47 |
| mikal | Who would work on that? | 21:47 |
| mriedem | so maybe we just need a POC on that and see how ugly and/or usable it is? | 21:47 |
| mriedem | and is a bp needed? | 21:47 |
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| sdague | dansmith: have you seen that in the field? | 21:48 |
| mikal | If its just moving to doing somehting oslo implements, then I would think a bp but not a spec? | 21:48 |
| dansmith | sdague: not on openstack things, but on other ssl configs, sure :) | 21:48 |
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| mriedem | zhaoqin made a case in his glance change for it, i'd have to look it up again | 21:48 |
| mikal | So who have we tricked into doing that POC? | 21:49 |
| mriedem | anyway, this is more of an FYI and it's in the ML for discussion | 21:49 |
| mikal | Oh, ok | 21:49 |
| melwitt | yeah, it's just you don't want to share creds across services in that if one is compromised you get access to all | 21:49 |
| mikal | Finalize a plan there then... | 21:49 |
| mriedem | i'd sign up, but i feel like i don't have the time to do much right now (moving next week) | 21:49 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:49 |
| mriedem | anyway, i'll reply to the ML looking for volunteers | 21:49 |
| mikal | Let's finish that one on the ML | 21:49 |
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| mikal | Next one is one from alexpilotti | 21:50 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129235/ | 21:50 |
| VW | +1 to what melwitt said about creds | 21:50 |
| mikal | I think alexpilotti was just after review attention here. Its been slow, but isn't horribly off the rails. | 21:50 |
| mikal | Is that a fair summary? | 21:50 |
| dansmith | I did reviews of those things today | 21:51 |
| dansmith | and then read the email | 21:51 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: it’s one of the many patches waiting for review | 21:51 |
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| alexpilotti | mikal: you asked me to choose a couple, so here we are :-) | 21:51 |
| mriedem | wow, that's a lot of LOC | 21:51 |
| mikal | Ok, so it sounds like this is a call for a couple of cores to take a look | 21:52 |
| mikal | Noting that dansmith has already done some reviews here | 21:52 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 21:52 |
| dansmith | do I get an early mark for that? | 21:52 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136484/ | 21:52 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131734/ | 21:52 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: tx, was just replying now! | 21:52 |
| mikal | ^-- ditto those other two as well | 21:52 |
| mikal | dansmith: yes, you may leave | 21:52 |
| mikal | The final one got added really recently so I haven't got a lot of state on it... | 21:53 |
| mikal | zookeeper servicegroup driver issues: nova-conductor processes share zookeeper handle and which causes have lock and race: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133479/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133500/ | 21:53 |
| ppalucki | thats mine | 21:53 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133479/ | 21:53 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133500/ | 21:53 |
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| ppalucki | we are using zk in our dev environments and nova-cond just don't work | 21:53 |
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| ppalucki | bug are there described and fix are ready to be reviewed | 21:54 |
| mriedem | does devstack support zk? | 21:54 |
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| ppalucki | yes | 21:54 |
| mikal | ppalucki: so this is just a request for cores to take a look at those reviews after the meeting, yes? | 21:54 |
| ppalucki | just it is | 21:54 |
| mriedem | ok, was just wondering how easy it is to reproduce with devstack to verify the fix | 21:54 |
| mikal | Cool, well I promise to take a look at least | 21:54 |
| dansmith | seems okay on the face of it, fwiw | 21:54 |
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| ppalucki | install zookeeper and set config is enought | 21:55 |
| mikal | So, noting the time we really have to move on | 21:55 |
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| ppalucki | thats good for me | 21:55 |
| anish | wait wait | 21:55 |
| anish | I have one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130721/ | 21:55 |
| anish | but I did not put it on the agenda, is that okay ? | 21:55 |
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| anish | cannot find a second core maintainer who knows iscsi | 21:55 |
| mikal | Ahhh, ok | 21:55 |
| anish | at least the ones I talked to didn't | 21:55 |
| sdague | spec in new state? - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-open-iscsi-transport-support | 21:55 |
| mikal | This one is a spec with one +2 | 21:56 |
| anish | yeah | 21:56 |
| sdague | mikal: the spec is not approved | 21:56 |
| mikal | I'm no iscsi expert, but I will take a look at that one after the meeting | 21:56 |
| mikal | sdague: yeah, he's asking for a spec review | 21:56 |
| sdague | oh, sorry | 21:56 |
| mikal | sdague: :P | 21:56 |
| anish | mikal: thanks ! | 21:56 |
| mikal | NP | 21:56 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| mikal | Please enjoy your three minutes of open discussion | 21:57 |
| mikal | Or have an early mark | 21:57 |
| alop | can anyone look at my spec? | 21:57 |
| alop | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132656/ | 21:57 |
| cburgess | What is the process now for adding a bug to the list to be reviewed/discussed in the meeeting? | 21:57 |
| mriedem | alop: maybe try to talk to jaypipes about anything related to db purge | 21:57 |
| alop | thanks | 21:57 |
| mriedem | alop: since i think jaypipes cringes every time it's mentioned | 21:57 |
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| alop | hehe, this is true | 21:58 |
| mikal | cburgess: just add it to the agenda for next week? | 21:58 |
| cburgess | I seem to recall there being a discussion in Paris about how to bring non-critical bugs that have pending fixes to the attention of cores but I don't recall the process that was discussed. | 21:58 |
| mikal | cburgess: i.e. wiki page edit | 21:58 |
| VW | we have a couple of folks that have done a lot of work around purging here too, alop | 21:58 |
| VW | I'll point them at it | 21:58 |
| VW | as well | 21:58 |
| cburgess | mikal: OK cool, I just couldn't remember. | 21:58 |
| mriedem | cburgess: we talked about bug wednesdays for that | 21:58 |
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| mikal | cburgess: np | 21:58 |
| mriedem | guilt-free bug fix reviews on wednesday (office hours right?) | 21:58 |
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| anish | erm, am I supposed to set the series goal in the BP myself, or is that something the maintainers do ? | 21:59 |
| mriedem | not sure if it's every wednesday though | 21:59 |
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| cburgess | So are we doing bug wednesdays then or is adding it to the agenda the way to go? | 21:59 |
| mriedem | jogo: ^? | 21:59 |
| mikal | Yeah, there is a difference between "stuck" and just "not reviewed" | 21:59 |
| mikal | Like the qemu one above, we really needed to talk through it to come up with a plan | 21:59 |
| mriedem | stuck to me means conflicts in opinion | 21:59 |
| mriedem | not lack of attention | 21:59 |
| jogo | cburgess: yup | 21:59 |
| anish | I thought as much, so did not add it there | 21:59 |
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| mikal | mriedem: I do think a bug fix which was imporant is legit to bring up in open disucssion here though | 21:59 |
| anish | is there a separate process for not reviews ? | 21:59 |
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| anish | *reviewed | 22:00 |
| cburgess | jogo: OK I'll hit you up for details on how to do that then. | 22:00 |
| _gryf | anyone cares about the difference between host state and service state? | 22:00 |
| cburgess | Yeah I'm taling about that non-OMG critical bugs. | 22:00 |
| mikal | anish: I'd recommend starting by mentioning it in #openstack-nova? | 22:00 |
| mikal | anish: if its weeks old, then bring it to open discussion here | 22:00 |
| cburgess | Specifically things like older minor bugs that have failrly simple fixes that could be merged to help reduce open bug count. | 22:00 |
| mikal | cburgess: oh, I love easy code reviews | 22:00 |
| mikal | Anyways, if I had a gong I'd ring it | 22:01 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| anish | mikal: oh did that quite a lot, found some core maintainers. but they did not know iscsi enough to give a +2, so came here | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 22:01:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-12-04-20.59.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-12-04-20.59.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-12-04-20.59.log.html | 22:01 |
| cburgess | We frequently hit old bugs that are 10-15 lines or less to fix that have been sitting open forever. So we often have to fix them for our clients so a way to push those back up and not have then langish for another cycle is a win I think. | 22:01 |
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| mikal | anish: well, the cores should take the opinion of non-core iscsi people into account | 22:01 |
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| mikal | anish: so getting some epople who know the code to +1 helps | 22:01 |
| mikal | Lets go chat in openstack-nova if you still ahve questions | 22:02 |
| anish | sounds good | 22:02 |
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