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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting08:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  4 08:01:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'08:02
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DaisyHello, who is around for i18n meeting?08:02
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ujuchi :)08:02
* Fdot is here \o_08:02
Fdothello Daisy08:02
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DaisyHi, ujuc and Fdot08:02
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DaisyHi, epico08:02
ujuc\o_ :)08:03
DaisyLet's start.08:03
Daisy#topic Review the status of TODO last time08:03
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DaisyLast meeting, there were a few TODO items.08:04
DaisyLet's see the status.08:04
Daisy1. Daisy to follow up with the creation of dedicate mailing lists for translation teams.08:04
DaisyI did some discussion off line with community people.08:05
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DaisyThere is no concerns from technical perspective. Just we need to state clearly the reason why we need dedicate mailing list for each translation team, other than using the existing i18n mail list.08:06
FdotDaisy sorry i am late in my e-mails, i am answering to you about this ;)08:06
DaisyWhat's your point? Fdot08:06
FdotI would prefere to have a dedicate mailing list for french translators08:07
Fdotthere is already a french openstack community list08:07
Fdotbut it is dedicated to the french openstack association08:07
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Fdotand i prefere to separate the subjects08:07
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Fdotthis is not the same goals and the same people behing08:08
Daisyhow about using i18n mail list but with different tags?08:08
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Daisyjust like openstack-dev08:08
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DaisyThere are more developers than translators. They are using 1 mailing list, just with different tags.08:09
FdotDaisy: we can try like this, but i am afraid that translators are going to receive too many emails and so don't take care about the one concerning the french translation08:09
Fdotbut we can start like this08:10
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DaisyOK. Let's start from i18n but different tags.08:10
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FdotDaisy: ok08:11
DaisyFrankly speaking, I don't think i18n mailing list is active as developers mailing list. For now, i18n mailing list has no problems to support different translation teams.08:11
epicoDaisy, +108:12
DaisyThere is another advantage to use i18n ML. We could have more translators to pay attention to the whole team discussions.08:12
FdotDaisy: I understand, we can try like this and if it doesn't works we will create dedicate list ;)08:12
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FdotDaisy: +108:12
Daisyok. agree.08:12
DaisyFdot, so you could have your translators to register i18n ML. I will do the same.08:13
Daisyujuc, you take care of Korean transaltors.08:13
Daisyaction #2.  chandankumar to add contents about how new comers start  contributions.08:13
FdotI am going to send an e-mail to our active french translator, on transifex et update our page on the wiki ;)08:13
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Daisyaction 3. Daisy & chandankumar to write wiki pages to cover guidance to new comers, bug reporters, translation work items, and etc.08:14
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DaisySorry chandankumar and I didn't make much progress. I will follow up and keep your updated next week in ML.08:14
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Daisyaction 4.  Daisy to send to ML about the work to add translators contribution into stackalytics.com08:15
DaisyI tried a few people off line.08:15
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Daisyanish_ from China would like to take a look at it.08:15
Daisyanish_ now is working on
Daisyhe knows python and Zanata. He would be a good person to take care of this work item.08:16
DaisyThe blueprint is registered.
DaisyHope we could make some progress in this release.08:17
Daisyaction 5. chandankumar & Daisy would take care of the glossary.08:17
DaisySorry no progress with this one also.08:17
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Daisychandankumar is quite busy with his company project.08:18
DaisyHi, anish_08:18
* anish_ could not realize i got disconnected from IRC 08:19
DaisyI just introduce you to the team.08:19
anish_hi Daisy08:19
anish_thank you08:19
DaisyYou are from Indian and Redhat. You are working on zanata-python-client. You will help us to take care of translators contribution in stackalytics.08:20
DaisyWe are going to move to next topic.08:20
Daisy#topic Documentation translation plan in Kilo08:20
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epicoanish_ :)08:20
DaisyIt's better to make a document translation plan in Kilo.08:21
DaisyAccording to the table:
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DaisyHigh priority:08:22
DaisyMedium priority:08:22
Daisyimage-guide (9879)08:22
DaisyThe Chinese, French, Korean translations of api-quick-start are done and on-line now.08:23
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Daisyour next choice may be api-ref.08:23
DaisyIt's 4151 words.08:23
FdotDaisy the wiki page doesn't seems to be updated08:23
FdotI don't see the heat guides ;)08:24
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DaisySo Fdot, do you have time to update it?08:24
FdotDaisy: I am going to try to find it ;)08:24
DaisyThanks, Fdot.08:24
Daisyanyway, api-ref could be our next work item.08:25
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Daisyor another more useful document ? like image-guide or install-guide?08:25
DaisyFdot, what's your opinion?08:25
Fdotdaisy : hot-reference08:25
Fdotis important :)08:26
Daisyhot-reference is not in the table.08:26
FdotYes I am going to add it08:26
DaisyIs it stable now?08:26
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FdotTo be honnest I don't know but it is seems to be08:27
ujuctransfix status 'do-not-translate-yet'... hot-reference...08:27
FdotIn the wiki page I have to add hot guide and upgrade guide08:27
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DaisyThanks Fdot.08:28
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DaisyFdot, do you against we start the translation of api-ref ?08:29
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FdotDaisy: no08:30
DaisyIf you prefer another document, I will take your opinion into consideration. I think you understand documents much more than me.08:30
Fdotthe only problem for api-ref is we can't translate everything08:30
Fdotcurrently personnaly I am more focus on Heat documentation08:31
Fdotbecause it is related to works08:31
Daisywhat will be left in api-ref?08:31
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DaisyIt's all right.08:32
Fdotin which you have a lot of things08:32
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DaisyDo you have better choices than api-ref?08:33
Fdotapi-ref and hot guide :)08:33
Fdotunfortunatly the heat guide is not in transifex :(08:33
Fdotcould be a good choice too08:34
Daisywhy heat guide is not in transifex?08:34
Daisydo you know the reason?08:34
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FdotI don't know08:34
Daisy#action Fdot to update the document table in wiki.08:34
Fdotthis is the first guide which is not based on docbook08:35
Fdotbut on RST08:35
Daisythat might be the reason.08:35
FdotDaisy: probably ;)08:35
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FdotDaisy: action done :)08:35
DaisySo let's start with api-ref.08:36
Daisywhere is hot guide?08:37
DaisyI don't see hot guide in the table.08:37
Daisyhot guide means "Heat Orchestration Template (HOT) Reference " ?08:37
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DaisyI see.08:38
FdotI have just added 2 lines for hot reference et upgrade guide08:38
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DaisyI think installation guide is very useful.08:39
DaisyWhat's your point to translate installation guide?08:39
Daisyinstallation guide for juno should be stable, I think.08:39
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FdotOpenStack is a very complicate product08:40
Fdotto install08:40
Fdotif you want to deploy OpenStack you a have to speak english08:40
Fdotbecause all the help you are going to search is in english08:41
Fdotso it is better to keep the install guide in english08:41
FdotI spoke about this with a lot of developers and everybody is agree with that08:41
Daisyok. interesting point.08:42
Fdottranslating the guide is not doing a favor to the person who want to install it ;)08:42
DaisyWhen I install openstack, I followed a blog written in Chinese.08:43
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FdotI used a documentation in english ;)08:43
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Daisyanyway, let's start from api-ref.08:44
FdotDaisy: yes :)08:44
DaisyI think it will take some time. After api-ref is done, let's figure out the next document together.08:44
DaisyOK. I have done all topics now.08:44
Daisy#topic open discussion08:44
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FdotDaisy: could be nice to be able to works on :
Fdot ;)08:44
DaisyI could take a look at it. Discuss with Andreas.08:46
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FdotDaisy: thanks a lot :)08:46
amotokiis anyone working on trnasltaion check site by openstack infra?08:46
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amotokis/by/on/ maybe08:46
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DaisySince we are going to move to Zanata in this release, if supporting RST needs development work, I prefer to put it low priority. After we finish the migration to Zanata, of course, we need to support RST.08:47
Daisyamotoki: I didn't follow up with it now.08:47
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Daisyamotoki: you mean to follow up with infra to support transaltion check site?08:48
amotokiDaisy: yes.08:48
Daisyok. I could do it next week.08:49
amotokii can provide tools or configurations but i don't have time to work on it in this release.08:49
Daisy#action Daisy to work on the translation check site by infra.08:49
amotokithnx Daisy08:49
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Daisywelcome, amotoki08:49
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DaisyThis is what I'm going to do in this release.08:50
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amotokibtw, Juno translation import has been merged several hours ago. it will be shipped this week.08:50
DaisyI'm going to work on i18n test.08:50
DaisyThanks, amotoki.08:50
DaisyAre some translations automatically filled from TM?08:50
DaisyPeople who are interested in i18n test could work together with me on this blueprint.08:51
amotokire: i18n test, in horizon case, we check if message catalog can be generated in pep8 test08:52
amotokiand translation message catalog validation is done through devstack now.08:52
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amotokiduring, horizon message catalogs are compiled in mo files, so if translation is bad devstack will fail.08:53
Daisyamotoki: can you point me to the test codes ?08:53
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amotokiI believe so, but we need to check if devsatck fails in such cases.08:53
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Daisyamotoki: is it possible to "get html source codes of horizon pages, test if all strings are displayed as the mock translations." ?08:54
amotokiDaisy: message catalog generation:
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Daisyamotoki: I mean, to test if all messages are wrapped with translation tags.08:55
amotokiDaisy: got it.08:55
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amotokiIMHO this kind of things can be checked by tools in project repo rather than tempest.08:55
amotokiDaisy: neutron has this kind of tool:
DaisyOne developer in my company complained to me the hard coded strings were found very near to juno release. they have to fix in a rush. They hope to find this kind of problems as early as possible.08:56
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amotokibut this tool generates many false positive, so it is not enabled in the gate.08:57
Daisythanks for these information. I will take a look at them.08:57
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DaisyTime is over.08:59
DaisyI will close the meeting now. For further discussions, we could use #openstack-translation.08:59
DaisyThank you all for attending.08:59
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anish_Thank you!09:00
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Fdotthanks a lot Daisy :)09:00
amotokisee you, bye.09:00
Fdothave a good day / evening everybody :)09:01
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DaisyFdot, have a good day.09:01
FdotDaisy: thanks :)09:01
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epicothanks :)09:05
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eglynn#startmeeting ceilometer14:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  4 14:59:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'14:59
eglynnhey y'all!14:59
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eglynn#topic Kilo-1 blueprints15:00
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eglynnnot looking too bad at this stage15:00
eglynnit would be great to get the two blocked BPs unblocked by EoW15:01
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eglynnexpecially ready-ceilometer-rbac-keystone-v315:01
fabiogeglynn: I'll do my best ... caught in a lot of "internal" things ...15:01
eglynnfabiog: coolness, thank you sir!15:01
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fabiogeglynn: can we merge the spec for RBAC? I noticed it did not go in yet ...15:02
eglynnfabiog: when I was reviewing I tried to figure out if other any services were "domain-aware" as yet15:03
eglynnfabiog: seemed only heat was using the concept in anger15:03
eglynnfabiog: is that correct, do you know?15:03
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fabiogeglynn: I think V3 support is not really there for services yet15:03
fabiogeglynn: I will ask Morgan about V2 deprecation timeframe.15:04
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eglynnfabiog: (and yes, I think we can probably merge the spec with the understanding that it'll be a phased thing, and the domain support will come later)15:04
eglynnfabiog: yeah, that's a good point15:04
eglynnfabiog: I'd imaging the deprecation path will have to long, since so many services depend on it15:04
eglynnI'd *imagine15:04
fabiogeglynn: yeah, also there were discussions event to skip V3 in favour of V4, hierarchical projects ... but I haven't seem too much action around it15:05
eglynnslightly related to releasing, here's the slate for the first release off stable/juno15:05
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eglynnfabiog: yeah, I'd imagine that'll be Lemming timeframe (as opposed to Kilo)?15:05
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fabiogeglynn: yeah they will probably start in Lemming (I didn't know that is the name :-))15:06
eglynnfabiog: cool ... not the official name, but seems to be the standard joke when refering to the L* cycle :)15:07
eglynnBTW on that stable/juno release, if anyone is interested in getting more involved in stable-maint, let me know15:07
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eglynnbackports are fun! :)15:07
eglynn... no really, they are15:07
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eglynnk, moving on from releases15:08
eglynn#topic Packaging of the merged compute/central agents15:08
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eglynnIvanBerezovskiy wanted to discuss this15:08
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IvanBerezovskiywe have now two packages for both agent. How it should be after merging Dina's patches?15:09
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IvanBerezovskiyDo we need in two packages for backward compatibility or not?15:09
eglynnIvanBerezovskiy: I made some comments in the specs review
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DinaBelovaeglynn, am I right that the main idea is something like this: let's keep two packages for compute/central agents15:10
DinaBelovagoing to the new code15:10
DinaBelovausing the namespaces option15:10
DinaBelovaand create new package with merged agent?15:11
eglynnyeah I'd expect packagers to make the transition by adding a net-new openstack-ceilometer-polling package15:11
eglynn... but to maintain support for the existing openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages also15:11
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gordcdid we ever figure out how to handle scenario where we have one agent on compute and one agent elsewhere but both in same group... wouldn't compute tasks go to foreign agent and fail?15:11
eglynnfor a allinone PoC => install penstack-ceilometer-polling15:11
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gordcdisclaimer: i haven't been following this spec.15:11
llu-laptopthat means openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages depends on openstack-ceilometer-polling, right?15:11
eglynngordc: hmmm, the merged agent would have to join multiple partition groups surely?15:12
IvanBerezovskiythey should depend in this scenario, I think15:12
DinaBelovagordc, they won't be in one group :)15:12
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DinaBelovathe group-prefix depends on the namespaces15:12
eglynngordc: (one for the central partitioning, the other for the compute partitioning)15:12
DinaBelovafor now15:13
DinaBelovaif it will be other type of setting - via pollster-list15:13
gordccool cool. it'd be a doc thing.15:13
gordccarry on. :)15:13
DinaBelovaI suppose to have all of them being in groups defined by this list as well15:13
DinaBelovaa-ha, cool15:13
eglynnllu-laptop: for the Fedora packaging, all the openstack-ceilometer-central & openstack-ceilometer-compure packages really provide is the upstart/systemd config for the service15:13
eglynnllu-laptop: i.e. not actual python code15:13
llu-laptopeglynn: got that, thx15:14
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IvanBerezovskiyeglynn, if we'll have 3 packages (for compute, central and common-polling), what about puppets? we need in update to use third package15:14
eglynnllu-laptop: all those packages then depend on a common package which contains all the python code15:14
llu-laptopso there will be a ceilometer-common where all those depends on15:14
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eglynnIvanBerezovskiy: again I mentioned that also in the review comment linked above15:14
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eglynnTL;DR: we'll need a new puppet manifest for the combined agent15:15
DinaBelovaeglynn, what's the process of contributing to the packages?15:15
eglynnDinaBelova: for Fedora?15:15
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DinaBelovaeglynn, well....15:15
DinaBelovaI don't know process at all >_<15:16
DinaBelovaso I'm basically interested in Fedora, CentOS and Ubuntu :D15:16
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eglynnDinaBelova: here's the info on the Fedora package
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eglynnDinaBelova: from which the CentOS and RHEL packaging (RDO and RHOS) is also derived15:16
DinaBelovaa-ha, cool15:17
llu-laptopDinaBelova: I guess the process will be different, at least from my colleagues experience of packaging for FC & Ubuntu15:17
DinaBelovaso basically that's contrubution process15:17
DinaBelovallu-laptop, a-ha15:17
DinaBelovado you have any details?15:17
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eglynnDinaBelova: becoming a Fedora packager involves gradually building up karma, commit rights etc.15:17
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eglynnDinaBelova: I can dig out some links on that later15:17
llu-laptopDinaBelova: sorry I don't, just heard from him15:17
DinaBelovaeglynn, thanks!15:17
DinaBelovaeglynn, it'll be really nice15:17
DinaBelovallu-laptop, ok, I'll try to investigate :)15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: for the .deb packaging, I don't know much about how it works, but I'm guess similar15:18
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DinaBelovaeglynn, I suppose the common process should be the same15:18
eglynnDinaBelova: Chuck Short (zul) would be a good source to ask about that15:18
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DinaBelovaeglynn, zigo I guess is the nice point to contact :)15:19
DinaBelovaok, cool15:19
DinaBelovaok, let's move on I guess15:19
eglynnDinaBelova: ah yes, of cource, zigo too :)15:19
DinaBelovathat's just an announcement :)15:19
eglynnyep, let's move on15:19
eglynn#topic "TSDaaS/gnocchi status"15:19
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eglynnnotable landings15:20
eglynn... sileht got the gnocchi dispatcher and related circularity patches in \o/ :)15:20
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eglynn... jd__ landed some fine-grained RBAC policys for the entity CRUD API15:21
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eglynnalso Entities are no longer Entities :)15:21
eglynnnow they're known as Metrics15:22
DinaBelovaeglynn, /me fighting with gnocchi and devstack :) finally won it -> some opentsdb progress is coming15:22
eglynnDinaBelova: \o/ nice one! ... I'll steal your notes on the fun you had getting that working :)15:22
DinaBelovanp :)15:23
idegtiarovmetrics looks better for me then entities )))15:23
jd__sileht is also working on aggregation15:23
eglynnidegtiarov: +115:23
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DinaBelovaidegtiarov, at least more understandable about what's it in fact :)15:23
jd__and I'm gonna continue policy implementation over archive policies and resources15:23
idegtiarovDinaBelova:  for sure15:23
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eglynnjd__: coolness15:23
DinaBelovajd__, got problems with policies btw15:23
jd__I'm also working on a new documentation generator running real queries against Gnocchi to have real examples up to date15:23
DinaBelovaon the devstack + gnocchi15:23
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eglynnjd__: yeah, I haven't seen that aggregation patch update yet, looking forward to reviewing it15:24
jd__DinaBelova: let's debug in #openstack-ceilometer then :)15:24
DinaBelovaok, I found the workaround15:24
DinaBelovabut it's tricky15:24
silehtI will try to land the devstack patch too15:24
DinaBelovajd__, debug is coming :)15:24
jd__otherwise things look pretty good15:24
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eglynnsileht: excellent15:25
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eglynnjd__: coolness, anything else on gnocchi?15:25
jd__not yet :D15:25
llu-laptopspeaking of gnocchi, I saw 2 bps for ceilometer of adding new DB backend support, what's our general guide here? encourage them to add support into gnocchi instead of ceilometer?15:25
eglynnllu-laptop: cassandra you mean?15:26
DinaBelovallu-laptop, yes, good question!15:26
llu-laptopI saw one cassandra, and maybe another15:26
eglynnllu-laptop: yeah, I tried to gently nudge towards gnocchi15:26
_nadya_and db2 woke up...15:26
DinaBelovacassandra change has one more issue actually...15:26
eglynnllu-laptop: but IIRC the contributor seemed some interested in "classic" ceilo15:26
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DinaBelovatoo much cassandra heplers in the ceilo code was proposed15:27
DinaBelovamuch -> many, was -> were15:27
gordcllu-laptop: i have no intend on making elasticsearch db for gnocchi... apologies.15:27
DinaBelovaimho no matter gnocchi or ceilo that should be separated lib15:27
gordcDinaBelova: yeah, the cassandra patch has a bunch of code i think should really be in it's client... or maybe i'm too dumb to understand it... let's assume the former.15:28
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DinaBelovagordc, ++15:28
jd__I think it's ok if it's for event support15:28
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jd__for samples, it seems like it's not a good idea anymore if we plan to drop the old API15:28
llu-laptopgordc: right, elasticsearch15:28
eglynnseems like the effort of adding a driver would be rewarded with more future "shelf-life" on the gnocchi side15:29
_nadya_jd__: yep, but how to explain this to contributors? :)15:29
DinaBelova_nadya_, -2s?15:30
jd___nadya_: copy paste what I wrote? ;)15:30
_nadya_jd__: hehe15:30
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eglynn_nadya_: well we can't dictate what they spend their effort on, the best we can do is "nudge" towards gnocchi15:31
_nadya_DinaBelova: why -2? because "we refuse to accept new changes in drivers, we have new policy"?15:31
nealph_nadya_: +1. aren't we telegraphing a bit if we don't allow them to add to "classic" cm? meaning, -2's is saying "you can't"15:31
* eglynn prefers the carrot to the stick in this context15:32
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DinaBelova_nadya_, nope, but if just words won't work and we could not encourage people to move their code to gnocchi15:32
DinaBelovawhat else can we do?15:32
DinaBelovamerge to ceilo?15:32
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DinaBelovathat's also variant...15:33
_nadya_eglynn: yep, agreed that we can't... but we don't wan't to have a lot of "unneeded helpers" in the code15:33
DinaBelovabut that'll be kind of useless efforts for contributors..15:33
eglynnmy hope would be that if we can explain the future benefits of gnocchi, that reasonable contributors will want to be a part of that15:33
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llu-laptopeglynn: agreed15:33
idegtiaroveglynn: +115:34
_nadya_DinaBelova: yep, I just raising the question :) unfortunately I don't know how it should be resolved in opensource15:34
DinaBelova_nadya_, yeah..15:34
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eglynnk, shall we move on?15:34
_nadya_maybe we may add smth like "our wishes to contributors" on wiki :)15:35
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idegtiarov_nadya_:  good point15:35
eglynn_nadya_: yeah, it would be good to have to "loose" policy/preferences written down that we could point to15:35
gordc_nadya_: no one reads the wiki... (see most blog posts about ceilometer)15:35
_nadya_eglynn: yep, sorry for interrupting, go on15:35
nealph_nadya_: I think a general explanation of architectural direction would do the get more eyes.15:35
cdentgordc: is that because there's nothing real there?15:36
eglynn#topic "Final call on dates/location for mid-cycle"15:36
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gordccdent: but my fancy architecture diagram?!?!? lol15:36
cdentit is pretty nice15:36
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fabiogeglynn: it seems that we are going for the week of 20 in Gallway15:36
cdentonly because of the rotation though ;)15:36
gordccdent: true true. :)15:37
eglynnfabiog: yep, are you good on the organizational side of that?15:37
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fabiogeglynn: yes, if we confirm I can go ahead and start15:37
eglynnfabiog: well it seems we have quorum in terms of folks signed up15:38
fabiogDinaBelova: any news on your attendance (company approval)?15:38
DinaBelovafabiog, not yet... to early...15:38
nealphfabiog: eglynn:  but is there a list of compelling topics to cover?15:38
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DinaBelovafabiog, sorry15:38
eglynnnealph: my focus will be on gnocchi migration15:38
jd__I'm a bit worried about the low attendance for that mid cycle15:38
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jd__not sure I've many things to say face to face to DinaBelova, eglynn and ildikov15:39
eglynnjd__: 6 below quorum do you think?15:39
jd__not that I don't miss you guys15:39
eglynnjd__: LOL :)15:39
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cdentI don't yet know if I'd be able to go, but would like to15:39
fabiogeglynn: how many we were in Paris?15:39
jd__but we can also spend some afternoons in a Hangout and that might be equally OK to me I think15:39
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fabiogcdent: aren't you kind of local?15:39
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eglynnfabiog: hmmm, same ballpark I think, maybe one or two more?15:39
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_nadya_jd__: you may write the code, not only talking :)15:40
* jd__ just thinking out loud15:40
jd___nadya_: right15:40
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gordceglynn: is this being combined with other projects like last time?15:40
eglynnjd__: yep, I would like to mix up the format and not spend all the time on round table discussion as before15:40
jd__could we move it south at least? Caribbeans anyone?15:40
eglynngordc: nope, just ceilo IIUC15:40
eglynnfabiog: (unless the other HP folks in Galway want to pile on?)15:41
fabiogeglynn: I think some discussion around "access" scope would be good15:41
eglynnfabiog: "access" scope?15:41
fabiogeglynn: I think it will be mainly Ceilo at this stage15:41
cdentfabiog: yes, but budgeting is rather confused15:41
eglynnfabiog: do you mean travel options to Galway?15:42
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fabiogeglynn: yes to decide what grants to give based on Domain or Project15:42
fabiogeglynn: no is a topic for the meeting ..: -)15:42
eglynneglynn: a-ha, k, got it15:42
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eglynnright let's pullk together to quick etherpad with topic suggestions15:43
fabiogOk. So do we have consensus on the meeting?15:43
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fabiogor any objection?15:43
eglynnfabiog: ... as agreed as we'll ever be I think15:43
fabiogeglynn: well, I will consider the meeting to happen and start planning15:44
gordcsame as last meetup for me... will join via hangouts unless kickstarter comes through again.15:44
eglynngordc: drats! :(15:44
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eglynnI guess anyone who's interested in attending, but unsure of budget ... please chase approvals if you can so that we've got a solid headcount15:45
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fabiogI think the unsure are DinaBelova and cdent15:45
fabiogand gordc at this stage15:45
cdentI'll sail.15:45
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cdent(if I had a sailboat)15:45
eglynnI'll cycle :)15:45
DinaBelovafabiog, basically after the summit costs companies will send people only if really important quesiotns will be discussed, etc.... that's why budget approval stuff might work only if it'll be kind of specific agenda, etc.15:45
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DinaBelovacdent, what I should do????15:46
* jd__ waits for the agenda too15:46
eglynnDinaBelova: good point, let's work on firming up the agenda this week15:46
DinaBelovaeglynn, yeah, sorry to say this15:46
DinaBelovaI can't go to my manager and say "send me somewhere" :)15:46
DinaBelovaat least not so easy :D15:46
eglynnDinaBelova: yep, I understand15:47
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gordcDinaBelova: we've seen the news... you guys are rich now :P15:47
DinaBelovagordc, I did not see this money :D15:47
_nadya_gordc: hehe, yep15:47
jd__next time I want this office
DinaBelovajd__, hehe15:48
DinaBelovanot bad15:48
fabiogjd__: I offered Sunnyvale in CA15:48
jd__fabiog: yeah I voted for that one :p15:48
fabiogbut you guys all signed up for Gallway ... :-)15:48
DinaBelovaocean is cold there :)15:48
eglynncould folks start throwing topic suggestions into this etherpad
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eglynnsorry folks, I'm gonna have to run shortly15:49
eglynnI'm late for a company event starting at 1600UTC15:50
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eglynnOK if we close a few mins early today?15:50
nealphjd__: I've been fighting for a meeting at the HP Sydney office....15:50
jd__yep boss15:50
eglynnjd__: thank you sir!15:50
eglynnthanks for you time folks, 'fraid I'm gonna have to cut and run!15:50
DinaBelovaI guess all important moment are discussed :)15:50
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DinaBelovaeglynn, thanks!15:50
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eglynncdent: LOL :)15:50
fabiogok, thanks15:50
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_nadya_thank, guys!15:51
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
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mtreinishhi who's here today?17:00
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:01
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mtreinishdtroyer: just a heads up that the meeting is going on :)17:02
mtreinishok, let's get started17:02
mtreinish#topic Tagging removal of Tempest XML support? (mtreinish)17:02
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mtreinishso I wanted to get input from everyone about whether we should push a new tempest tag17:02
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mtreinishsince we removed all the xml tests from tempest last week17:03
mtreinishI felt it could be considered a big enough change to warrant a new tag17:03
mtreinishdoes anyone have any opinions on this?17:03
dkranzmtreinish: it is, but I am not sure who would use it17:03
dkranzmtreinish: I don't think I would17:03
andreafdkranz: I was about to ask the same question17:03
jogotags are cheap. so why not17:04
andreafmtreinish: still there's no harm in creating one, for reference17:04
dkranzandreaf: true17:04
yfried_jogo: +117:04
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mtreinishok, then I'll push tempest-3 out later today to mark the removal of xml17:04
mtreinish#action mtreinish to push tempest-3 tag for xml removal17:05
mtreinishok let's move on17:05
mtreinish#topic Spec Reviews17:05
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open spec reviews they'd like to bring up?17:06
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dkranzmtreinish: No, but I feel negligent about not reviewing the current ones. Many are weeks old.17:06
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yfried_dkranz: maybe we should hold a spec review day?17:07
mtreinishdkranz: heh, yeah I feel the same way, I plan to dedicating a lot of time tomorrow to go through the current queue17:07
dkranzmtreinish: me too.  Let's call tomorrow spec review day :)17:07
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yfried_dkranz: I was serious17:07
dkranzyfried_: so was I.17:08
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dkranzyfried_: I think we can take care of them17:08
yfried_dkranz: enjoy17:08
yfried_dkranz: :)17:08
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mtreinishok, if no one has any specs to discuss today, we can move on17:09
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dkranzandreaf: You up for that too?17:09
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mtreinishdkranz: I'm sure he is :)17:10
andreafdkranz: sorry I was afk for a minute17:10
andreafmtreinish, dkranz : yes it sounds ok17:11
mtreinish#info Tomorrow 12/5 will be an informal specs review day17:11
mtreinish#topic Blueprints17:11
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mtreinishok, does anyone have an open bp to discuss17:11
mtreinishI guess I should bring up:17:12
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mtreinishsince dkranz you brought this up on the ML17:13
dkranzmtreinish: I started on the clients-return-one-value but need to update the blueprint17:13
mtreinishdkranz: ok cool17:13
dkranzmtreinish: right. I just did not know what the plan was17:13
dkranzmtreinish: I would still like it better if we just stopped using 'all'17:15
jlanoux_dkranz: +117:15
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yfried_mtreinish: you want to add every extension explicitly?17:15
mtreinishyeah so the issue with that bp is it's against tempest but the patches are for devstack and devstack-gate so they don't get picked up automatically17:15
mtreinishbut I respun the devstack patch so it works now17:15
mtreinishso hopefully we'll start to get that landed next week17:15
mtreinishand we'll be able to add tests for new extensions soon17:15
mtreinishsorry my network dropped out17:16
mtreinishwhat was the last message from me? :)17:16
mtreinishdkranz: the plan is to stop using all on the stable branches17:16
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dkranzmtreinish: I got that part17:16
mtreinishyfried_: yes that's the plan, the devstack patch uses verify-tempest-config to generate the list of all extensions17:16
dkranzmtreinish: Just not sure what the motivation is for devstack to not write the list17:17
yfried_mtreinish: so "all" would still apply to master? just wanted to make that clear?17:17
dkranzmtreinish: But it is not a big deal I guess17:17
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mtreinishyfried_: yes17:17
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mtreinishdkranz: it's because when a new extension get's added we don't want to have to update things, we should assume all extensions are enabled by default on master testing17:17
yfried_mtreinish: ok. I like having the explicit list even in master (I don't like the "all" option) but that's just me17:17
mtreinishit comes back to the discovery bugs, which is the reason we have that option in the first place17:18
yfried_mtreinish: ok. I just think it would be better if the default in would hold the entire explicit list17:19
yfried_mtreinish: makes it easier for newcomers to see and disable what they don't want17:19
mtreinishyfried_: and what is that list? if nova adds an extension it's no longer everything17:19
dkranzmtreinish: Yes, it would require new extensions to be added to tempest17:20
yfried_mtreinish: well, we know what we are checking for, as in skip if not in "extension"17:20
yfried_correct me if I'm wrong, but we mostly use the extensions to check if "Ext" or "All"17:21
yfried_so just add Ext to the list17:21
mtreinishyfried_: yes, that's the issue on master the list is transient17:21
yfried_but let's not get stuck on this. maybe a spec is in order17:21
dkranzIn any event, 'all' is the way it is now17:21
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mtreinishwe'd be capturing a snapshot at 1 time and it wouldn't be correct at any other time necessarily17:22
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mtreinishdkranz: yes, let's move on we can discuss this more after the meeting if needed17:22
dkranzmtreinish: I think there should be a spec if some one wants to change this17:22
yfried_dkranz: mtreinish: I'll write a spec. let's move on17:22
dkranzmtreinish: because it is a process issue to keep it up to date17:22
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mtreinishok does anyone else have an open blueprint to discuss?17:23
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mtreinishok, let's move on then17:24
mtreinish#topic Devstack17:24
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mtreinishdtroyer: any updates on devstack?17:24
dtroyerThe two things I wanted to mention are both spec-related.   I'm writing a spec for the logging/service renaming stuff so that should hit early next week.17:25
mtreinishoh, cool17:26
dtroyerChmouel's spec for including plugins from other repos is up and I've just started looking at it.  I think that is our priority right now really.17:26
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mtreinishyeah, those are both priorities that I know a lot of people are interested in17:26
dtroyerthere was a question in there regarding what to do with existing plugins in the devstack repo after that is complete, I'd like to consider moving some of those back out…the criteria for that I expect will be a bit contentous.17:26
yfried_chmouel: link?17:26
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mtreinishdtroyer: heh, yeah that criteria could be a bit contentious17:27
dtroyerFWIW, my original thoughts regarding layers 1/2/3 still stand and that's where I'm going to start.  this is a non-governance thing, just a devstack thing…17:28
chmouelor maybe not, maybe they would be happy to just take care of it?17:28
chmouel(of their devstack's plugin)17:28
dtroyerbeing in the repo is like being incubated…it's a flag for others to know if something is "OK"17:28
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mtreinishdtroyer: yeah I think that's fine, I'd be even inclined to say just layers 1 and 2 in devstack17:29
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mtreinishbut I think something like that is fine17:29
mtreinishas long as we make it clear17:29
dtroyeron other news, I'm also looking at the various things that want to muck around with LVM handling now.  it needs some attention, as-is we could wind up with 3 or 4 backing files to manage, each differently17:29
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dtroyerthat's it for me, anyone else?17:30
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mtreinishok, let's move on then17:31
mtreinish#topic Grenade17:31
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mtreinishjogo, dtroyer, sdague: are there any updates on grenade this week?17:32
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jogothere was a but of unbreak the world work17:33
jogobut thats it17:33
mtreinishoh, yeah all the reqs fun from new oslo releases...17:34
mtreinishok well if there's nothing else on grenade we'll move on17:34
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mtreinish#topic Future of "large-ops" testing17:35
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mtreinishyfried_: I'm guessing you added this17:35
yfried_mtreinish: yeah17:35
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yfried_so I have 2 issues17:35
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yfried_1 - is the current test.17:35
yfried_It's **only** a nova test17:36
yfried_and I am not sure what is the value of having it run both with neutron and with nova17:36
jogoyfried_: well actually it hit a bug in rootwrap17:36
jogowhich was python is dumb17:37
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yfried_jogo: weird, because as much as I understand it, currently it boots the VM without any neutron involvment17:37
jogoyfried_: nova uses rootwrap too17:37
yfried_either way - do we need it to run 3x2 times on each patch?17:38
jogoyfried_: large-ops on neutron is not an ideal test IMHO17:38
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yfried_jogo: don't spoil my next point please:)17:38
jogobut when setting it up we caught several neutron bugs17:38
yfried_(neutron, nova) x (master, juno, icehouse)17:38
jogoohh tempest fail17:39
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jogoyeah I don't think we need to run large-ops on juno and icehouse IMHO17:39
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yfried_jogo: so removing 4 gates is a good start17:39
mtreinishyeah, I think we can drop those stable sanity jobs on tempest17:39
yfried_can we agree on that?17:39
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mtreinishyfried_: push a patch out to do it17:40
mtreinishand I'll review it17:40
yfried_mtreinish: will do17:40
jogothe risk is we make the large-ops test stricter and break stable branches17:40
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yfried_jogo: could you please explain?17:41
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jogoyfried_: yes17:41
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jogoyfried_: if we make the tempest large-ops test do more17:41
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jogoand its only tested against master17:41
yfried_jogo: that's my next point17:41
jogodue to branchless tempest, we can break large-ops for stable/*17:41
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dkranzjogo: This is the dirty laundry of branchless tempest17:42
jogowe can move stable large-ops to experimental or something17:42
jogodkranz: yup17:42
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mtreinishjogo: yeah that's fine17:42
yfried_jogo: I'd like to extend large ops into a multi-boot test with actual vms and network17:42
mtreinishdkranz: heh that's a good way to describe it17:42
jogoyfried_: that is very risky due to small devstack vms in the gate17:43
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jogoyfried_: why not make nova fake virt driver do more networking?17:43
yfried_jogo: it won't necesserily run 100 vms on gate17:43
jogoyfried_: still, it doesn't take a lot to overload a tiny gate VM17:43
yfried_jogo: well, I'm completely unfamiliar with the fake virt driver17:43
yfried_jogo: we can start with 2-4 vms in a test (secgroup scenario does that already)17:44
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jogoyfried_: so large-ops is a different job because it uses the fake virt driver17:44
jogoso it needs a different devstack setup17:44
mtreinishyfried_: think of this way when we were running 8 threads in the gate (ie booting 8 servers at once) things fell apart because of the load17:45
yfried_mtreinish: so 2 vms only on the gate, in an experimental job17:45
yfried_mtreinish: my main target here is to have a test for operators to run with stress framework17:46
mtreinishyfried_: we do that now indirectly on regular jobs17:46
yfried_mtreinish: not in a single command17:46
mtreinishyfried_: we have a stress job defined and you can add additional configs to it17:46
yfried_mtreinish: I already found a bug in neutron<-> nova events while working on it17:46
mtreinishyfried_: we can take this to -qa, and dkranz or I can show you how to add on to that17:47
sdagueso the reality is large-ops honestly isn't really a tempest test17:47
sdagueit's a specific greybox test17:47
sdaguethat got jammed into tempest because we were doing a lot of jamming17:47
dkranzsdague: true, but there could be a stress test that is a lot like it, no?17:47
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sdaguedkranz: so maybe, except it won't actually do anything of the stressing we care about in that case17:48
dkranzyfried_: Why don't you consider what you are trying to do to be a "new" test and get away from the large-ops test?17:48
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yfried_dkranz: yeah, that's what I'm trying to convey17:48
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dkranzyfried_: There is too much baggage around the large-ops test17:48
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dkranzyfried_: so call it something else17:49
yfried_maybe starting with large ops as base was wrong17:49
mtreinishso we're at ~10min so we can take this to -qa after the meeting17:49
yfried_I was just looking to reuse some of the code17:49
dkranzyfried_: doesn't matter17:49
mtreinishyfried_: or right a spec with what you're trying to do and we can discuss it there17:49
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yfried_mtreinish:very well. I'm done17:49
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:49
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mtreinishok does anyone have a review to bring up for a qa project that they'd like extra eyes on?17:50
kirshilyeah ipv6 related in particular
dkranzmtreinish: I don't have a specific one, but there a fair number of reviews that are pretty old.17:51
mtreinishdkranz: do you want to schedule another review day?17:51
mtreinishjogo: wow that's a low number17:51
jogothat is a year old ^_^17:51
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mtreinishkirshil: ok, I'll try to take a look at those today17:52
dkranzmtreinish: ok. I think I may also add something to the project review panel for no action in 7 days, and put it at the top17:52
sdaguejogo: yeh, honestly, these are the kinds of rules I sort of hate in hacking17:52
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mtreinishdkranz: it should already have a section for that17:52
dkranzmtreinish: We have one for no action after 2 days at the bottom17:52
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sdagueso you realize that the H30* rules are part of the reason that we've lost a ton of useful git history in file moves, right?17:53
dkranzmtreinish: but maybe my dashboard is out of date17:53
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mtreinishdkranz: no, I think that's right. You can push another patch to sdague's project to reorder or add a section17:54
mtreinishI think that's fine17:54
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sdaguedkranz: yeh, I have a 5 days no action at the top of the nova one17:54
dkranzsdague: ++17:55
clarkbsdague: wait the history is still there17:55
sdaguedkranz: just let me know what change you want to the qa dashboard17:55
jogolost history?17:55
clarkbsdague: you shouldn't lose any history in a file move17:55
dkranzsdague: I can do it myself if you remind me which repo17:55
sdagueclarkb: you can't git log the file any more and trace it back17:55
jogoI am fine with dropping H30x or whatever, I just want to resolve this17:55
clarkbsdague: not on the file name but you can still git log on it17:55
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sdagueclarkb: right17:55
sdaguebut it means that tracing back a git annotate gets pretty hard17:56
clarkbsdague: not really, use the power of -p17:56
sdagueclarkb: ok, show me the tricks then :)17:56
clarkbor at least that seems to be my swiss army knive of looking at history17:56
clarkbsdague: git log -p17:56
clarkbits pretty verbose but you can use other options to narrow the output down17:56
clarkband it gives you full diff history along the way17:56
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clarkbalso ya follow. -p is useful for >1 file17:57
sdagueoh, but I can't get the annotate though, right?17:57
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mtreinishwell were at ~3min so does anyone else have a review to bring up17:57
mtreinishotherwise we'll end here17:57
jogoso this specific path
clarkbI think you can usually you can compose those options /me tests17:57
jogois there to make the error message easier to understand17:58
clarkboh you mean git blame?17:58
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1392525 in hacking "H307 being raised when import block is in the wrong order" [Critical,In progress]17:58
sdagueclarkb: yeh17:58
sdagueannotate is the nice way to say it thought17:59
mtreinishsdague: but blame is better :)17:59
mtreinishanyway we're basically at time17:59
mtreinishthanks everyone17:59
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mikalNova meeting!20:59
mikalmikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip21420:59
mikal^-- you have been pinged20:59
mikal#startmeeting nova20:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  4 20:59:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'20:59
mikalWho do we have around for the nova meeting?21:00
alexpilottimikal: o/21:00
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mikal#topic Kilo specs / blueprints21:00
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mikalAll blueprints and specs for juno need to be approved by kilo-1 (December 18th)21:00
mikal^-- that's what we said at the summit at least21:00
mikalSo... If you're holding off on updating a spec, now would be a good time to do that21:01
mikalIt would be nice to avoid a mad rush at the end if at all possible21:01
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mikalAlso, as a gentle reminder, we also said Non-priority Feature Freeze is kilo-2 (February 5th)21:01
n0anomikal, did you mean specs for kilo?21:01
alexpilottiI have 2 BPs for Hyper-V21:01
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mikalSo, not getting a spec approved at kilo-1 would be a problem for landing the code by kilo-221:01
mikaln0ano: sigh, yeah, that21:02
mriedemwe're still 3 cores to sponsor an exceptoin in k-2?21:02
mikalCut and paste from the agenda in my defense21:02
mriedemi can't remember21:02
_gryfmikal, I've 1 BP for host health awaiting for comments21:02
mikalmriedem: we haven't discussed it yet21:02
mikalmriedem: so I think we're still unsure there21:02
mikal_gryf: there are a few in that state, I am sure reviewers will get to it when they can21:02
mriedemi guess we wait until k-1 is passed21:02
mikalmriedem: yeah, its not urgent yet21:03
_gryfmikal, gr821:03
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mikalSo, we also seem to have one blueprint which is asking for the "Trivial" fast track21:03
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sdaguethat feels familiar, like we put a fix in late in juno for it21:04
mikalDoes anyone have an objection to that bp beign approved as a fast track?21:04
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* mikal tries not to go read code in the meeting to check21:05
mriedemseems ok, hard to know w/o POC patch21:05
sdagueno objection, seems like just a bug fix though21:05
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dansmithyeah, was just about toi say21:05
dansmithjust make it a bug and move on21:05
mikalWell, let's just approve this then21:05
mikalInstead of making them turn it into a bug21:05
alaskiyeah, seems fine to me21:05
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mikalOk, I will approve21:05
alexpilottimikal: Speaking with johnthetubaguy, he asked me to bring here two “trivial” Hyper-V BPs (not requiring specs)21:05
alexpilottimikal: should I post the links now or would you prefer to discuss them later?21:06
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mikalLet's do it now21:06
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mikalOk, first one first...21:07
alexpilottimikal: cool, tx!21:07
mikalThe VIF one is driver feature parity21:07
dansmithboth are21:07
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dansmithboth seem fine, assuming they're small, which they seem to be21:07
mikalSo, I'm ok with approving the first one21:07
mikal(Haven't read the second yet)21:07
dansmithnot requiring major changes to anything core, just implementing things21:07
mikalNo one objects to the first one?21:08
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mikalOk, I will approve21:08
alexpilottidansmith: correct, implementation is quite small21:08
mikalNow the second one21:08
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mikalLooks fine to me21:09
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alaskiNo virt driver api needs to change?21:09
mriedemi think the virt api already has it21:09
mriedemhyper-v just needs to implement right21:09
alexpilottialaski: it’s a feature parity one as well21:09
dansmiththis is just implementing it21:09
alaskiokay.  seems fine to me then21:09
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mikalI'm gonna approve21:09
tonybalexpilotti: Can you try to Cc me on the implementation of the 2nd one.  I was thinking about chaning the way the serial console stuff works (probably in L)21:09
mikalAny other fast track approval requests from anyone?21:10
alexpilottitonyb: sure, we’ll post the code for review this week21:10
mikalMoving on?21:11
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tonybalexpilotti: cool thanks21:11
mikal#topic Kilo priorities21:11
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alexpilottithanks guys!21:11
mikalSo, this is mostly a reminder that we have the priority review etherpad21:11
mikalI've been trying to keep on top of review of those things21:11
mikalBut there isn't a lot listed there are the moment21:11
mikalSo perhaps people have forgotten to update with their new reviews for priority things?21:11
dansmithnot me,21:12
dansmithjust at the bottom of a cycle of pushing new things21:12
mikalThat's cool. This is just a reminder to authors and reviewers really.21:12
mikalMoving on...21:12
mikal#topic Gate status21:12
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mikalmriedem / jogo: talk to me21:13
mriedemif you didn't know from earlier in the week,21:13
mriedemthe gate was fubar'ed21:13
mriedembut looks better now21:13
mikalYeah, I saw some of that21:13
mriedemoslo decided to release everything they had on the same day21:13
mriedemkind of broke some things21:13
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jogomriedem: nova didn't break much though right?21:13
sdagueso that's going to be the norm for oslo, a lot more releases21:13
jogoas in nova wasn't to blame21:13
mriedemjogo: nova was doing some naughty things that oslo updates exposed21:14
sdaguenova was to blame on the bad mocks for locks21:14
dansmithoh man21:14
dansmithrhymy goodness21:14
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mriedemotherwise we look ok
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dansmith"mocks for locks" being a rebel band of salmon-loving freelance coders21:14
jogosdague: ohhhh I blanked out on the nova unit tests wedged for a day21:14
gilliarddid we ought to consider pinning our oslo dependencies more strictly and upping the version in a review?21:15
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sdaguegilliard: that's not allowed21:15
sdagueand it causes a whole other set of problems21:15
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mikalIs there anything else on the gate or should we move on again?21:16
sdagueone question, the docker job in check?21:16
sdaguewho's staying on top of that?21:16
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mikalsdague: as in its failing all the time?21:17
mriedemi'm not seeing the usual containers people in here21:17
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sdagueyeh, as in failing all the time, all the output format for that job is weird21:17
mriedemcan we sick anteaya on them :)21:17
dansmiththat job was just added, right?21:17
mikalSo, there is a RH guy whose name I've forgotten who was working on that21:17
dansmithand it's already not looked-after?21:17
mriedemdims: ^?21:17
mriedemdims: you know the RH guy's name right? working on nova-docker.21:18
dimsIan Main (Slower)21:18
mikalYeah, that's the one21:18
* dims reading21:18
mikalSo, we should ping him I suppose and cc anteaya21:18
mriedemi'll look for an e-r query on the failure21:18
mikalIf it keeps failing we can drop it back out again21:18
sdaguethe intent is to gate nova on an out of tree driver?21:19
mikalIan is certainly the author of
dimsi have a review in progress -
mikalSo its in his best interests to be paying attention to this21:19
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mikalsdague: not gate no21:19
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mriedemyeah i'll get the bug opened if there isn't one, and an e-r query up, i see the failure in the compute logs21:19
mikalsdague: but the docker people wanted to do the "move back into nova" two step21:20
mikalWhich is that that linked review above is21:20
sdagueah, ok21:20
mriedemyeah, so they should be squeeky clean :)21:20
mikalmriedem: agreed, we need them to take this seriously21:20
mikalsdague: thanks for raising it21:20
sdaguesorry, hadn't seen any ML on it so I was wondering21:20
mikalAnything else on gating?21:20
mikalOh, I guess one thing21:20
mikalWho is chasing Ian?21:20
mikalsdague or mriedem or me?21:20
* sdague not it21:21
dims2 folks primarily Eric (erw) and Ian21:21
mikalI just want to be clear on who is going to reach out so it actually gets done21:21
mikalmriedem: want to do it or shall I?21:21
mriedemmikal: i'll get the bug reported,21:21
mriedemand ML thread on it21:21
mikalmriedem: thanks21:21
mriedemlooks like we don't index the docker logs,21:21
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mriedemso can't get logstash on it21:21
sdaguemriedem: something is bonkers on the dir format as well21:22
dimsis that specific test case failing all the time?21:22
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mriedemdims: w/o e-r i can't tell21:22
sdaguedims: no idea, also, why I asked who is the shepard of that job21:22
sdaguebecause someone should be on top of it21:22
mriedemi'll start the process...21:23
mriedemit's 3rd party CI so not indexed in our logstash21:23
mikalmriedem: is that true?21:23
mikalmriedem: its run in infra land21:23
sdagueit's not 3rd party21:23
sdagueit's in the check queue21:23
dimsi've been updating stuff there when i broke stuff with oslo updates to nova21:23
mriedemclarkb: said it wasn't infra21:23
dimsbut am not a core there21:23
sdaguereally... ?21:23
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sdagueok, lets offline that21:23
mikalOk, let's take this one to the mailing list and a bug or two21:23
mikal#topic Bugs21:24
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mikalI sneakily added this one to the agenda just now21:24
mikalBecause we forgot it, which is lame21:24
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mikalWe have one critical bug with no assignee21:24
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mikalA Xen SSL thing21:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1374001 in nova "Xenserver glance plugin uses unsafe SSL connection" [Critical,Confirmed]21:24
sdagueoh, that's still open21:24
dimsmelanie was doing something w/ that if i remember right21:25
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dansmithit's xen only, so it's not critical anyway, right?21:25
mikaldansmith: that's true21:25
melwittdims: yes. it's constrained to python 2.4 so it's not straightforward21:25
dimsah. right21:25
mikalmelwitt: are you still working on that or should we unassign you?21:26
sdaguewell it is a security bug that we released a sec advisory on a 18 months ago21:26
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sdaguehonestly, I think it's actually "can't fix, xen is full of sec holes"21:26
sdaguebecause the dom0 is so old21:26
mikalErm, vote not me to do that press release21:26
melwittmikal: I can update the patch again with what jerdfelt suggested, do nothing for 2.4 and warn, do something if > 2.6. other than that we don't know a better way21:27
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melwitt>= 2.6 I mean21:27
mikalmelwitt: sounds reasonable to me21:27
melwittmikal: okay, will do that then21:27
sdagueit's vaguely actually python is crazy pants. We only get SSL cert verification in the *next* python 2.7 release21:27
mikalAre there any other bugs that people want to shout about?21:28
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 832507 in nova "console.log grows indefinitely" [High,Fix released]21:28
tonybalaski: I'm working a a spec for that21:28
mikalThe bug that keeps on giving21:28
tonybI know its a bug but the fix is big an intrusive21:28
mikalalaski: do you have a specific concern? i.e. is it hurting you at the moment?21:28
alaskiyeah, there have been multiple proposed fixes21:28
alaskimikal: no.  just is it being actively pursued or do we mark it as wont fix for now21:29
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alaskibut it sounds like there are plans21:29
mikalalaski: I tricked tonyb into having a look21:29
tonybalaski: the only one I think will work is a helper the manage the log file andf can then be logrotated on the operators schedule21:29
dansmithsounds like the answer is: tonyb to the rescue21:29
mikaltonyb: unless we fixed qemu...21:29
mikaltonyb: you do seem to love the qemu codings21:29
dansmithyeah, that doesn't work21:29
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tonybmikal: Umm fool me twice .... shame on me ;P21:30
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alaskimikal: awesome21:30
mikalMoving on?21:30
alaskitonyb: do you mind assigning it to you?21:30
mikalApart from "FIX LOTS OF BUGS PLEASE"21:30
tonybalaski: sure21:30
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nikesh_vedams_mikal:can we assign a release for this blueprint ""21:30
alaskitonyb: awesome, thanks21:31
mikalnikesh_vedams_: oh, I forgot milestones21:31
tonybalaski: done21:31
mikalnikesh_vedams_: I will fix that after the meeting21:31
mikal#topic Stuck reviews21:31
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mikalThere are a few here21:31
mikalAnd I specifically don't want people to get personal here please21:31
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mikalFor this one, tonyb fixed a qemu bug21:32
mikalBut the debate is how we work around distros without the fix21:32
mikalIf in fact we work around them at all21:32
dansmithI got a little more info from pbrady on this21:32
mikalIts been in review since September21:32
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dansmithI wanted him to come offer details here, but he had a conflict21:32
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tonybdansmith: phooey21:32
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mriedemso, we have bz's listed with workarounds in the libvirt driver21:33
dansmithtonyb: apparently the office holiday party is more important21:33
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mriedemone at least for live migrate on older versions of libvirt21:33
mriedemis there a bz for this and rhel?21:33
dansmiththere is,21:33
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mikaltonyb has done a bug tracking page for distros21:33
dansmithand I also got an ETA of "within a week" for this fix being available to RHEL/CentOS users21:33
mriedemhow far back in RHEL?21:34
tonybdansmith: we got that same ETA pre-Paris21:34
dansmithit's already in proposed fixes repos for fedora and ubuntu21:34
tonybdansmith: but they are closer21:34
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tonybdansmith: for fedora21 not for 19 or 2021:34
dansmithtonyb: that's fair I guess, I wasn't in on the discussion at that point21:34
dansmithtonyb: yeah, but it's fedora21:34
tonybnothing for sles or gentoo21:34
mriedemok, so only rhel 7, not 6.521:34
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dansmithanyway, the impact of doing this is pretty significant,21:35
sdagueif it's not getting fixed in 6, that seems problematic21:35
tonybmriedem: correct no 6.x fixes21:35
dansmithboth system performance impacts, and what it means for us long-term and not knowing when we can remove it21:35
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tonybmriedem: I'd have to check if that's affected21:35
mriedemso i know rdo only supported juno on rhel 7,21:35
dansmithtonyb: did you ask someone about 6?21:35
mriedembut we have compute node support for rhel 6.5 and juno21:35
tonybmriedem: but i though rhel7 was the one true rhel now from pur pov21:35
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mriedemtonyb: not mine21:36
dansmith6 is still pretty important for us so I'd be surprised if we're not fixing it21:36
tonybdansmith: I grabbed the centos source as a quick check21:36
dansmithalso because this affects other products21:36
sdagueso this only occurs on qcow from glance on initial explode to raw?21:36
mikalSo, one suggested option was a flag21:36
mikalWhich no one seems to love21:36
dansmithI think it's also worth noting that this fix does not address the many other places we create images,21:36
mikalBut might be the only option?21:36
tonybso I'll check RHEK/Centos 6.x and open a bug if required but that doesn't help the review ...21:36
dansmithand also pbrady is not sure that this doesn't just narrow the window for the race21:36
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dansmithand he would... know :)21:37
mriedemsomeone get the lampshade off his head and cocktail out of his hand21:37
dansmithmikal: so, I don't love the flag, but I love it more than just blindly putting it in21:37
dansmithmikal: also, the other option was just push this into stables that are currently supported21:37
mikaldansmith: I did ask tonyb to check other uses of qemu-img in the code BTW21:37
mikaldansmith: I think he did an audit IIRC21:38
dansmithmikal: and the other is that we push this into master and just remove it when some number of distros support it, instead of trying to keep it until we're sure it's globally fixed21:38
tonyband I've done that.21:38
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mikalOk, so there's a proposal there21:38
mikalWhat do people think of putting this in stable only21:38
mikalAnd telling people in the release notes for Kilo that they must use a qemu with this bug fix?21:38
tonybthe migration and snapshot code /could/ be problematic but they use slightly different code paths in qemu21:38
tonybthe glance case it the only place (that I found) where we use qemu-img convert on something that isn't managed by qemu21:39
dansmithtonyb: pbrady seemed to think they *were* problematic, but I really don't know the details21:39
sdaguehmmm... any idea if this is related to the live snapshot fails we had going to trusty?21:39
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tonybsdague: point me at the specific bug and I'll let you know.21:39
dansmithlets talk about options21:40
kaisers_sdague: yep, good question, is there a ticket for those fails?21:40
dansmithbecause if we can do something less nuclear, we should just do that21:40
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1334398 in nova "libvirt live_snapshot periodically explodes on libvirt 1.2.2 in the gate" [High,Confirmed]21:40
kaisers_sdague: thnx21:40
sdagueso I think flag is probably least worse option21:40
mikalsdague: less worse than stable only fixes?21:40
tonybsdague: Thanks, I'll digest that and get back to you21:40
dansmithstable-only is my preference, but on the flags thing:21:41
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sdaguedefault on until we feel it's relatively fixed in the field, then default off and deprecated21:41
dansmithwe could have a section for workarounds where we put more of this sort of thing21:41
dansmithit also makes it easier for us to track workarounds we have in our code21:41
mikaldansmith: as in a flag group?21:41
dansmithbecause they're tied to CONF.workarounds.qemu-img-foo21:41
mikaldansmith: I think that's a good idea21:41
dansmithmikal: yeah21:41
sdagueyeh, workarounds group sounds good21:42
mikalIt also marks those thigns as flags you shouldn't twiddle without thought21:42
dansmithso let's just do that and distros can override that if they know they're fixed21:42
mikalI actually really like that idea21:42
dansmithmikal: yes and you can set them all to off if you want purity or whatever21:42
mikalWe could also immediate deprecate the workaround flag21:42
mikali.e. start removal in L21:42
dansmithdepends onthe thing, but sure21:42
mikalYeah, in this case I mean21:43
sdaguemikal: I'd wait to deprecate this one until there are actually fixes in the field21:43
sdaguebecause those are still waiting on the future21:43
dansmiththey're available by repo to most people21:43
dansmithbut whatever :)21:43
mikalsdague: sure, we could leave the specifics of that to a code review21:43
sdaguedansmith: I thought you said another week for rhel?21:43
mikalAlso, OMG, we just made a plan21:43
mikalOk, let's do that21:43
dansmithsdague: there is a proposed repo/channelf or them too I think21:43
dansmithsdague: centos has packages21:44
mikalI also want to publicly thank tonyb for chasing this and fixing qemu for us21:44
dansmithjust not in default repos I think21:44
mikalAlthough I am massively biased here21:44
sdagueok, can we also confirm the fixes close the issue?21:44
dansmithI'm not and I'm massively grateful to him :)21:44
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tonybfor the most part they'er in testing only repos in fedora/ubuntu don't know about centos21:44
dansmithsdague: the distro bugs have repro reports21:44
dansmithbut really,21:44
dansmithI don't care when we deprecate it21:44
dansmithas long as we have a road21:45
tonybso I'll send the next version today21:45
mikalWe really need to move onto the next stuck review in the list...21:45
mikalCause time21:45
tonybI'll add a comment in gerrit refereing to this log21:45
dansmithtonyb: hit me up when you do21:45
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tonyband you'll all approve it right?21:45
tonybdansmith: Thanks.21:45
mikaltonyb: I believe dansmith reads the code first21:45
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mikalSSL options - do we make them per-project or global, or both? Neutron and Cinder have config-group specific SSL options, Glance is using oslo sslutils global options since Juno which was contentious for a time in a separate review in Icehouse ( Now wants to break that out for Glance, but we also have a patch for Keystone to use the global oslo SSL options, https://review.21:45
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mikal^-- mriedem in the agenda21:45
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tonybmikal: of course ;P21:45
mriedemyeah, so i put something on the ML about that too21:45
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mriedembasically to get attention to the inconsistency,21:46
mriedemwe don't have to decide here but we should figure it out since some reviews are kind of stalled on this i think21:46
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sdagueso... in what universe do we actually want half a dozen ca's defined in nova.conf?21:46
mriedemin icehouse i liked markmc's idea of DictOpt for default global ssl options and then you can override for service-specific options if you wanted21:46
dansmithsdague: more common than you might think I bet21:46
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melwittI think I liked the idea of oslo global with subsections for each service21:46
mriedemi haven't looked at the DictOpt stuff in code21:47
melwittwhich is what mriedem just said I think21:47
mikalWho would work on that?21:47
mriedemso maybe we just need a POC on that and see how ugly and/or usable it is?21:47
mriedemand is a bp needed?21:47
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sdaguedansmith: have you seen that in the field?21:48
mikalIf its just moving to doing somehting oslo implements, then I would think a bp but not a spec?21:48
dansmithsdague: not on openstack things, but on other ssl configs, sure :)21:48
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mriedemzhaoqin made a case in his glance change for it, i'd have to look it up again21:48
mikalSo who have we tricked into doing that POC?21:49
mriedemanyway, this is more of an FYI and it's in the ML for discussion21:49
mikalOh, ok21:49
melwittyeah, it's just you don't want to share creds across services in that if one is compromised you get access to all21:49
mikalFinalize a plan there then...21:49
mriedemi'd sign up, but i feel like i don't have the time to do much right now (moving next week)21:49
mriedemanyway, i'll reply to the ML looking for volunteers21:49
mikalLet's finish that one on the ML21:49
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mikalNext one is one from alexpilotti21:50
VW+1 to what melwitt said about creds21:50
mikalI think alexpilotti was just after review attention here. Its been slow, but isn't horribly off the rails.21:50
mikalIs that a fair summary?21:50
dansmithI did reviews of those things today21:51
dansmithand then read the email21:51
alexpilottimikal: it’s one of the many patches waiting for review21:51
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alexpilottimikal: you asked me to choose a couple, so here we are :-)21:51
mriedemwow, that's a lot of LOC21:51
mikalOk, so it sounds like this is a call for a couple of cores to take a look21:52
mikalNoting that dansmith has already done some reviews here21:52
dansmithdo I get an early mark for that?21:52
alexpilottidansmith: tx, was just replying now!21:52
mikal^-- ditto those other two as well21:52
mikaldansmith: yes, you may leave21:52
mikalThe final one got added really recently so I haven't got a lot of state on it...21:53
mikalzookeeper servicegroup driver issues: nova-conductor processes share zookeeper handle and which causes have lock and race: and
ppaluckithats mine21:53
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ppaluckiwe are using zk in our dev environments and nova-cond just don't work21:53
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ppaluckibug are there described and fix are ready to be reviewed21:54
mriedemdoes devstack support zk?21:54
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mikalppalucki: so this is just a request for cores to take a look at those reviews after the meeting, yes?21:54
ppaluckijust it is21:54
mriedemok, was just wondering how easy it is to reproduce with devstack to verify the fix21:54
mikalCool, well I promise to take a look at least21:54
dansmithseems okay on the face of it, fwiw21:54
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ppaluckiinstall zookeeper and set config is enought21:55
mikalSo, noting the time we really have to move on21:55
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ppaluckithats good for me21:55
anishwait wait21:55
anishI have one
anishbut I did not put it on the agenda, is that okay ?21:55
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anishcannot find a second core maintainer who knows iscsi21:55
mikalAhhh, ok21:55
anishat least the ones I talked to didn't21:55
sdaguespec in new state? -
mikalThis one is a spec with one +221:56
sdaguemikal: the spec is not approved21:56
mikalI'm no iscsi expert, but I will take a look at that one after the meeting21:56
mikalsdague: yeah, he's asking for a spec review21:56
sdagueoh, sorry21:56
mikalsdague: :P21:56
anishmikal: thanks !21:56
mikal#topic Open Discussion21:56
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mikalPlease enjoy your three minutes of open discussion21:57
mikalOr have an early mark21:57
alopcan anyone look at my spec?21:57
cburgessWhat is the process now for adding a bug to the list to be reviewed/discussed in the meeeting?21:57
mriedemalop: maybe try to talk to jaypipes about anything related to db purge21:57
mriedemalop: since i think jaypipes cringes every time it's mentioned21:57
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alophehe, this is true21:58
mikalcburgess: just add it to the agenda for next week?21:58
cburgessI seem to recall there being a discussion in Paris about how to bring non-critical bugs that have pending fixes to the attention of cores but I don't recall the process that was discussed.21:58
mikalcburgess: i.e. wiki page edit21:58
VWwe have a couple of folks that have done a lot of work around purging here too, alop21:58
VWI'll point them at it21:58
VWas well21:58
cburgessmikal: OK cool, I just couldn't remember.21:58
mriedemcburgess: we talked about bug wednesdays for that21:58
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mikalcburgess: np21:58
mriedemguilt-free bug fix reviews on wednesday (office hours right?)21:58
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anisherm, am I supposed to set the series goal in the BP myself, or is that something the maintainers do ?21:59
mriedemnot sure if it's every wednesday though21:59
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cburgessSo are we doing bug wednesdays then or is adding it to the agenda the way to go?21:59
mriedemjogo: ^?21:59
mikalYeah, there is a difference between "stuck" and just "not reviewed"21:59
mikalLike the qemu one above, we really needed to talk through it to come up with a plan21:59
mriedemstuck to me means conflicts in opinion21:59
mriedemnot lack of attention21:59
jogocburgess: yup21:59
anishI thought as much, so did not add it there21:59
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mikalmriedem: I do think a bug fix which was imporant is legit to bring up in open disucssion here though21:59
anishis there a separate process for not reviews ?21:59
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cburgessjogo: OK I'll hit you up for details on how to do that then.22:00
_gryfanyone cares about the difference between host state and service state?22:00
cburgessYeah I'm taling about that non-OMG critical bugs.22:00
mikalanish: I'd recommend starting by mentioning it in #openstack-nova?22:00
mikalanish: if its weeks old, then bring it to open discussion here22:00
cburgessSpecifically things like older minor bugs that have failrly simple fixes that could be merged to help reduce open bug count.22:00
mikalcburgess: oh, I love easy code reviews22:00
mikalAnyways, if I had a gong I'd ring it22:01
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anishmikal: oh did that quite a lot, found some core maintainers. but they did not know iscsi enough to give a +2, so came here22:01
openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec  4 22:01:12 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)22:01
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cburgessWe frequently hit old bugs that are 10-15 lines or less to fix that have been sitting open forever. So we often have to fix them for our clients so a way to push those back up and not have then langish for another cycle is a win I think.22:01
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mikalanish: well, the cores should take the opinion of non-core iscsi people into account22:01
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mikalanish: so getting some epople who know the code to +1 helps22:01
mikalLets go chat in openstack-nova if you still ahve questions22:02
anishsounds good22:02
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