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| crinkle | o/ | 13:59 |
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| crinkle | anybody around this morning? | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: o/ | 14:05 |
| crinkle | hi EmilienM | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: maybe not much people | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: we can do a short/small meeting | 14:05 |
| crinkle | sure | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | at least for your work | 14:05 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting Puppet-openstack | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 22 14:05:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:05 |
| crinkle | #topic openstackclient | 14:05 |
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| crinkle | #topic openstackclient | 14:06 |
| crinkle | hrm | 14:06 |
| crinkle | anyways, to recap last week, we once again changed our minds, hopefully for the last time, and are using an old version of openstackclient for keystone so that we can take advantage of v3 | 14:07 |
| crinkle | because the keystone client doesn't support it and aviator doesn't fully support it | 14:07 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136186/ | 14:07 |
| crinkle | We still need that blueprint approved so we can link to it in our changes | 14:07 |
| crinkle | richm and I had been working on these together, but as I was reviewing his last night I realized that there were massive inconsistencies between the two rewrites | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: the last one I did not +2 ? | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | I also realized that... | 14:11 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: you did +2 at least one | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | there is one without +2 from me because I realized some inconsistencies | 14:11 |
| crinkle | I went ahead and submitted alternate proposals for those patches with detailed comments about why I think having these be consistent is preferable, and I'm hoping that will be faster than asking him to fix his up | 14:12 |
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| crinkle | that we he can focus on adding v3 support faster and with less hassle | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | makes sense | 14:13 |
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| crinkle | so I'll check in with him when he gets online | 14:13 |
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| crinkle | but after that blueprint gets approved i think the keystone work is ready from my end | 14:15 |
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| crinkle | that's about it from me | 14:15 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: anything else you want to talk about? | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | not really, I wanted to see bogdando here | 14:17 |
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| crinkle | bogdando: around? | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I need some reviews on some patches alsoo | 14:17 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: ok | 14:17 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: just https://review.openstack.org/136442 | 14:18 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: cool, will look | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | cool | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | I think we are done | 14:19 |
| crinkle | okay | 14:19 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:19 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 22 14:19:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-22-14.05.html | 14:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-22-14.05.txt | 14:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-22-14.05.log.html | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | Merry Christmas crinkle ! | 14:19 |
| crinkle | have a good holiday :) | 14:19 |
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| anteaya | thanks fungi | 15:00 |
| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 22 15:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | so whenever anyone shows up with third-party things do say hello | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | and for the logs the Monday December 29th 1500 UTC third-party meeting will be cancelled, the next meeting will be January 5th | 15:02 |
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| Katherine_ | trying to sign in | 15:16 |
| anteaya | welcome Katherine_ | 15:16 |
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| Katherine_ | good morning | 15:16 |
| anteaya | and to you | 15:17 |
| anteaya | you have been working on setting up zuul | 15:17 |
| anteaya | how is that going for you? | 15:17 |
| Katherine_ | i have. it's going really well | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I'm glad to hear that | 15:17 |
| Katherine_ | however, i just tried to set up a new instance using the same ubuntu iso as my running instance and zuul-server will not start | 15:18 |
| anteaya | have you a paste of any output? | 15:18 |
| anteaya | paste.openstack.org | 15:18 |
| Katherine_ | there is none, unfortunately. | 15:18 |
| Katherine_ | the service start finishes quietly but when i do a service status, it's not running | 15:19 |
| anteaya | what command do you issue to try to start zuul-server? | 15:19 |
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| Katherine_ | no log files | 15:19 |
| Katherine_ | just in the middle of verifying permissions on all my files and directories but i'm fairly certain they're correct | 15:19 |
| anteaya | good idea | 15:20 |
| anteaya | and files in the correct place | 15:20 |
| Katherine_ | yes. everything looks good | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | so you have a running instance currently | 15:20 |
| Katherine_ | i do | 15:20 |
| anteaya | using an ubuntu iso | 15:20 |
| anteaya | and you tried to set up a new one | 15:21 |
| Katherine_ | yes | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | but the zuul-server for the new instance won't start | 15:21 |
| anteaya | both in vms? | 15:21 |
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| Katherine_ | i'm writing a script to automate the process and during my testing of it, i found that the server is consistently not starting | 15:21 |
| Katherine_ | yes | 15:21 |
| anteaya | cool | 15:21 |
| Katherine_ | i've looked in system logs, hoping there might be something | 15:22 |
| anteaya | to automate the process and testing of setting up the zuul-server? | 15:22 |
| Katherine_ | to automate the process of installing a setting up a new zuul instance for use in our ci env | 15:22 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:22 |
| Katherine_ | installing AND setting up | 15:22 |
| anteaya | fungi: do we currently have any automation around setting up a zuul instance | 15:23 |
| Katherine_ | i'm not sure where else to look for info | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | fungi: we do have puppet manifests for that do we not? | 15:23 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: right | 15:23 |
| Katherine_ | i believe you do but the stuff i found is puppet-based? | 15:23 |
| anteaya | it is puppet based yes | 15:23 |
| anteaya | is that a non-starter for you? | 15:23 |
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| Katherine_ | and very openstack-oriented | 15:23 |
| Katherine_ | the puppet setup? | 15:24 |
| anteaya | we are trying to make our puppet manifests more modular | 15:24 |
| fungi | anteaya: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/zuul | 15:24 |
| anteaya | so that it can be easily consumed by anyone setting up a zuul | 15:24 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 15:24 |
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| fungi | there shouldn't be anything openstack-specific in that puppet module | 15:24 |
| anteaya | great | 15:24 |
| fungi | if there is, it's definitely a bug | 15:24 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: have you had a chance to look at this puppet module yet? | 15:25 |
| fungi | we're working to split that module out into an entirely separate git repository to publish to the puppetforge | 15:25 |
| Katherine_ | sorry, i guess openstack-based is not the correct way to say it | 15:25 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: what fungi said | 15:25 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: try again | 15:25 |
| Katherine_ | unless i was looking at the wrong stuff, the stuff i found set up a new environment, including jenkins | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | Katherine_: do you recall what you were looking at? | 15:26 |
| Katherine_ | fungi: ah, ok | 15:26 |
| Katherine_ | anteaya: let me see if i can find it. it was a while back so i can't recall off the top of my head | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | Katherine_: take your time | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | it is close to holidays and the crowd is thin | 15:27 |
| anteaya | no rush | 15:27 |
| Katherine_ | the script i've written, though, is very basic and would run on a vm deployed from a template i've created | 15:27 |
| Katherine_ | ok | 15:27 |
| Katherine_ | thin here, too | 15:28 |
| anteaya | I admire the work you have done | 15:28 |
| anteaya | and support it | 15:28 |
| Katherine_ | thank you! | 15:28 |
| anteaya | I just want to see if you can make use of anything we currently have | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | would save you time | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | and we would appreciate your help in improve what we currently have | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | sounds like you have both the know how and the motivation to help us | 15:28 |
| anteaya | and we would be grateful | 15:28 |
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| Katherine_ | anteaya: definitely | 15:32 |
| Katherine_ | this is one of the sites i found originally, i believe it's jay's? | 15:32 |
| Katherine_ | http://www.joinfu.com/2014/02/setting-up-an-external-openstack-testing-system/ | 15:32 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 15:32 |
| anteaya | it is | 15:33 |
| Katherine_ | it's for setting up and external third-party test env | 15:33 |
| anteaya | it was part of an effort to make setting up an external ci easy and accessible | 15:33 |
| Katherine_ | although we may have puppet fully configured in our environment eventually, it isn't yet | 15:33 |
| anteaya | and was done for all the right reasons | 15:33 |
| Katherine_ | it was very helpful | 15:33 |
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| Katherine_ | to a point. :) | 15:33 |
| anteaya | unfortunately there has been drift | 15:33 |
| Katherine_ | ah, ok. that happens | 15:33 |
| anteaya | and the blog post is no longer up to date | 15:34 |
| Katherine_ | got it | 15:34 |
| Katherine_ | what would you point me to, then? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | we are working to come back together again | 15:34 |
| anteaya | well what have you done so far and what is your goal? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | tell me your story | 15:34 |
| Katherine_ | i have a test environment up and running and the independent jobs are getting triggered as expected | 15:35 |
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| Katherine_ | i'm now working on the dependent gate job and getting it to trigger on a +2 | 15:35 |
| Katherine_ | that's not quite working but is something i should be able to figure out | 15:35 |
| Katherine_ | in the meantime, i'm working on automating and documenting the process for the team i'm working with right now | 15:36 |
| Katherine_ | that's where the "zuul-server not running" comes in | 15:36 |
| anteaya | the dependent gate job, tell me what that means and why you are working on that? | 15:36 |
| anteaya | what that means to you | 15:36 |
| Katherine_ | ok | 15:36 |
| anteaya | there is a lot of confusion around gating with external ci systems | 15:37 |
| anteaya | and I am trying to figure out why that is and where that is coming from | 15:37 |
| Katherine_ | this is where the merge of those reviews with the same tests specified in the layout will happen and they will run through our smoketest gate, which installs and boots the product | 15:37 |
| Katherine_ | great | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | help me understand why you refer to it as a smoketest gate | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | rather than for instance, running our smoketests | 15:38 |
| anteaya | for complete disclosure I have never set up this system myself | 15:38 |
| Katherine_ | in our case, we'll install the product on a vm, boot it, verify web services are running, and do some basic configuration | 15:38 |
| Katherine_ | :) ok | 15:38 |
| anteaya | I have been kept too busy trying to answer questions and source ansers for others | 15:38 |
| anteaya | so part of my questioning is ignorance | 15:39 |
| Katherine_ | i'm sure! | 15:39 |
| Katherine_ | got it | 15:39 |
| anteaya | thanks for understanding | 15:39 |
| Katherine_ | np. i appreciate the help | 15:39 |
| anteaya | my pleasure | 15:39 |
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| Katherine_ | so, upon a +2, my understanding is that any change out for review with the same pipeline and test jobs specified will be merged by zuul and run the the gate | 15:40 |
| Katherine_ | through the gate | 15:40 |
| anteaya | for our infrastructure testing yes, that is true | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | why are you trying to set that up for yourself? | 15:41 |
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| Katherine_ | ok. that's also what i'm configuring here | 15:41 |
| anteaya | help me understand why? | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | in my mind yo udon't need that | 15:41 |
| Katherine_ | because we have had several conflicting reviews sneak into our source code in quick succession, breaking our build | 15:41 |
| anteaya | why do you believe you need that | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | how did they sneak into your source code? | 15:42 |
| Katherine_ | it's my understanding that zuul will help prevent this | 15:42 |
| anteaya | okay let me take a step back | 15:42 |
| Katherine_ | ok | 15:42 |
| anteaya | are you setting up an external ci to interact with openstack's infrastruture | 15:42 |
| anteaya | or are you setting up and internal ci system | 15:42 |
| anteaya | independent of openstack's | 15:42 |
| anteaya | that mirrors openstack's functionality? | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | we have two use cases | 15:44 |
| anteaya | and I had thought I knew which case yours was | 15:44 |
| anteaya | but now I realize that I never asked so I don't actually know | 15:44 |
| Katherine_ | no. this is fully internal to hp | 15:44 |
| Katherine_ | yes, internal, independent of os | 15:44 |
| anteaya | great now I understand | 15:44 |
| Katherine_ | no openstack involved, all hp code | 15:45 |
| anteaya | so yes, setting up a gate test will be important for your situation | 15:45 |
| Katherine_ | recently, for example, we've had reviews get +2'd close together but the changes conflict with one another | 15:45 |
| anteaya | right | 15:45 |
| Katherine_ | so they both merge close to one another and break the build or the product | 15:46 |
| anteaya | and the gate will prevent that | 15:46 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:46 |
| anteaya | I understand now and I agree | 15:46 |
| Katherine_ | that's why we're investing our resources into zuul | 15:46 |
| anteaya | it is a very useful tool | 15:46 |
| Katherine_ | it's way cool | 15:46 |
| anteaya | jeblair would be happy to hear that | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | he loves to have more fans of his work | 15:46 |
| anteaya | and contributions too | 15:47 |
| Katherine_ | ha! who doesn't. :-) | 15:47 |
| anteaya | :D | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | okay so now that I have a better sense of your goal | 15:47 |
| anteaya | thanks for your patience | 15:47 |
| Katherine_ | i'm very close to getting this into our production environment | 15:47 |
| Katherine_ | np | 15:47 |
| anteaya | way to go | 15:47 |
| anteaya | your users will love you for it | 15:47 |
| anteaya | devs will take a little longer | 15:48 |
| Katherine_ | but part of this is automating it so that it can be done easily by the team | 15:48 |
| anteaya | right | 15:48 |
| anteaya | so can we go back to the puppet module for a minute? | 15:48 |
| Katherine_ | yes. the program has been informed but i think they're a bit tired of having their product broken | 15:48 |
| Katherine_ | sure | 15:48 |
| anteaya | yep | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | so is any of that code useful to you on a first glance? | 15:48 |
| anteaya | we are working on getting that split out into a seperate module | 15:49 |
| Katherine_ | i'll admit, i'm not very familiar with puppet. i know what it's purpose is | 15:49 |
| anteaya | would you like to help us with that? | 15:49 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:49 |
| anteaya | what have you been using for automation so far? | 15:49 |
| anteaya | your scripts? | 15:49 |
| Katherine_ | i would certainly like to help with it | 15:49 |
| anteaya | awesome thank you | 15:49 |
| Katherine_ | a shell script but it requires a running ubuntu vm | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | I would like to help you in any way I can | 15:49 |
| anteaya | right | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | can I convince you to open up a bit of space for learning some puppet? | 15:50 |
| anteaya | nibalizer crinkle are you around? | 15:50 |
| anteaya | EmilienM|afk ^^ | 15:50 |
| Katherine_ | it's been a while since i looked at the scripts you guys have but would give them another look if you can give me a pointer to the ones you're working to separate | 15:50 |
| anteaya | sure | 15:50 |
| Katherine_ | you can | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | Katherine_: here is the spec for separating out the puppet modules: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 15:51 |
| anteaya | nibalizer crinkle and EmilienM|afk do a lot of work with puppet and have been helping with the work to split out the modules | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | asselin as well has been doing great work here and has already split out several modules | 15:52 |
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| Katherine_ | yes, this looks like a great plan | 15:52 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:52 |
| crinkle | hello | 15:53 |
| anteaya | would love to involve you | 15:53 |
| anteaya | hi crinkle | 15:53 |
| anteaya | crinkle this is Katherine_ | 15:53 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: crinkle | 15:53 |
| crinkle | hi Katherine_ | 15:53 |
| Katherine_ | hi crinkle | 15:53 |
| anteaya | crinkle: it is all in the backscroll, but the tl;dr is that Katherine_ is setting up a internal testing system to match openstacks' that won't interface with it | 15:54 |
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| Katherine_ | i think my team may even be interested in the jenkins part of this, as well | 15:54 |
| anteaya | and doesn't know puppet yet | 15:54 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: awesome | 15:54 |
| anteaya | crinkle: so was wanting you two to meet so Katherine_ knows who can help her with puppet questions | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | and she also is interesting in helping us split out puppet modules | 15:55 |
| Katherine_ | i have some time off from work so would be willing to look into the process | 15:55 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: glad you have the time | 15:55 |
| crinkle | Katherine_: nice to meet you | 15:55 |
| Katherine_ | likewise | 15:55 |
| crinkle | I can help with puppety stuff but nibalizer has more infra-specific knowledge | 15:56 |
| anteaya | any help is welcome | 15:56 |
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| Katherine_ | perhaps what i could work on over this break is setting up a puppet environment to at least get zuul running? and maybe jenkins after that? if i'm understanding the process | 15:57 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: if you took the time to do that, you would more closely match what openstack is doing | 15:57 |
| Katherine_ | excellent | 15:57 |
| anteaya | and set yourself up to consume the modules that are being split out | 15:57 |
| Katherine_ | right | 15:57 |
| anteaya | and then have context when you help that effort | 15:58 |
| Katherine_ | that sounds like a good plan | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | it can only help you achieve a greater understanding of what we are doing | 15:58 |
| Katherine_ | would the page you sent me to have enough information to start? | 15:58 |
| anteaya | whatever else the outcome | 15:58 |
| Katherine_ | and provide something useful to hp | 15:59 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: yes | 15:59 |
| Katherine_ | great | 15:59 |
| anteaya | here is the landing page for all the ci things: http://ci.openstack.org/ | 15:59 |
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| anteaya | crinkle: have you a good link for getting started with puppet? | 15:59 |
| Katherine_ | yes, i've spent some time there | 15:59 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: great | 15:59 |
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| crinkle | anteaya: https://docs.puppetlabs.com/learning/ | 15:59 |
| Katherine_ | i figured i'd google but if you have one you would recommend, even better | 15:59 |
| Katherine_ | perfect | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | sorry guys, another meeting | 16:00 |
| Katherine_ | yeah, me too | 16:00 |
| anteaya | rakhmerov: just finishing up | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | sure, np | 16:00 |
| Katherine_ | i'll start on this stuff! | 16:00 |
| Katherine_ | thank you! | 16:00 |
| anteaya | Katherine_: crinkle thank you for your time | 16:00 |
| anteaya | talk to you Jan 5th | 16:00 |
| Katherine_ | thank you, crinkle and anteaya | 16:00 |
| Katherine_ | k | 16:00 |
| anteaya | thanks | 16:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 22 16:00:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 22 16:00:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hi) | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait for others | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | in the meantime I'll list out our agenda items | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | [edit] | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Review action items | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Current status (p | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | rogress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | "Kilo-1" scope and blueprints | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | "for-each" | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Scoping (global, local etc.) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Load testing | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Open discussion | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | sorry, that wasn't too accurate | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | I just copied from wiki and pasted it | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start slowly | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| rakhmerov | 1. akuznetsova, share all the work on HA testing & benchmarking | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | it's done | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | 2. nmakhotkin, fix the bug with "=" sign in simplified syntax if Lakshmi doesn't fix it himself by the end of Monday | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | done either | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | 3. nmakhotkin, add full example(s) to 'for-each' spec | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | even more than we planned | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 4. all, keep discussing contexts (scopes) in the mailing list and other channels | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | it's going on | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | and I think we're close to find the consensus | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | hi ! | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi Nikolay | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | as usually, let's quickly report our statuses (a couple of sentences) | 16:06 |
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| dzimine | hi all, sorry I’m a bit late | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | my status: last week I added a couple "join" of examples to extra and created several README files for example, also fixed some small bugs and released kilo-1 | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | and participated lots of email exchanges | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | hi dzimine | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | Finished mistral examples docs and prepared doc for for-each draft | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | also fixed that bug with "=" | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| akuznetsova | I tested Mistral before release, verified bugs and prepared some docs with result of Rally testing | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:09 |
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| dzimine | my status: last week contributed to for-each spec, and worked with Winson on defining two other blueprints: “action providers”, and “context”. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, do you know when Winson is planning to share this "action providers" thing? | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm excited him to share it with other folks | 16:11 |
| dzimine | absolutely, as you suggested - he’ll do a next level of details write-up/diagram and put it up. | 16:12 |
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| dzimine | is he here by a chance? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | not sure | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | Winson? | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | looks like he's not | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's go to the next topic | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #topic "Kilo-2" scope and blueprints | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, the end date for Kilo-2 is Feb 5 | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | so we have about a month and a half | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | here's the release page: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | for now I assigned blueprints that I think are important (IMO) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | but | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | you can propose which blueprints you'd like to see done in Kilo-2 | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | and we can discuss it | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | so please take a look at the page now and make your comments/suggestions | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | or if you need time we can do it offline in ML | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | also some of the BPs are not ready yet that may be included in it | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | like "action providers" | 16:17 |
| dzimine | workflow_constants https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-workflow-constants is going to be covered by what Winson is proposing with context, let’s assign it on him | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | so after we agree on a set of blueprints we need to set a time to do a planning poker like we did before | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I asked him about it today | 16:17 |
| dzimine | Action Providers - I’ll create a blue print an yes I propose it for kilo-2 | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | you're right that it may be a part of a bigger BP | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:18 |
| dzimine | and dry-run - propose to move away | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | on this one I tend to agree | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | intuitively, i think we're not there yet | 16:18 |
| NikolayM | No-op task. It seems to be done already | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | and it's less important | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, not completely | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | no-op action is done | 16:19 |
| dzimine | main reason - I think we bring up quality threshold and begin making things less prototypy, so it will take longer. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | no-op task is related to it but a little different | 16:19 |
| dzimine | Should for-each be here, too? | 16:19 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, are you sure that this blueprint mistral-dashboard-crud-operations will be finished? | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | for-each definitely, let's include BPs on it, I just wasn't sure if they were all prepared | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | but yes, +1 for for-each | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, I would love to see it done a couple of months ago :)) | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | akuznetsova, I think it will be hard to do without mistral-workbook-builder | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | and btw, I also have a desire to dive in UI a little bit | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | so I would like it to be assigned to me | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | but if we'll have simple way to create wbs and wfs, it will be great | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | NikolayM, yes, we need to wait when Timur S and his team finish their work | 16:21 |
| dzimine | to complete PAUSE/RESUME functionality, we must provide ways to update task’s data context. Again I think it’s ok if it’s not in kilo-2, but let me write down a BP for tracking. | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, but for now we decided with Timur that we shouldn't sync our work | 16:22 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, oh, I didn't know it | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | builder will be mostly independent thread of work for now | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it was discussed about a week ago | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, ok | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | please do that | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | btw, from code perspective it's almost done | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | recently we made some changes that will make this simpler | 16:23 |
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| akuznetsova | didn't we finish this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-yaml-request-body ? | 16:25 |
| akuznetsova | I guess NikolayM worked on it | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | so ideally we need to spend a day or two maximum to agree on blueprints and I want to suggest we meet at the end of this week (or beginning of the next one) to do planning poker | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, it's in BETA AVAILABLE | 16:25 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | because I wasn't careful enough with releasing Kilo-1 :) | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | now it's closed so we have to assign it to something else | 16:26 |
| NikolayM | the same with bp on docs | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | my mistake | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ok, now I see | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, can you please assign the BPs you created for "for-each" to Kilo-2? | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | yes, sure | 16:27 |
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| NikolayM | akuznetsova, what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-milti-tenancy-tests ? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | #action stackstorm: create "action providers" blueprint and assign to Kilo-2 | 16:27 |
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| NikolayM | I thought you have finished them | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | #action NikolayM: assign all relevant "for-each" BPs to Kilo-2 | 16:28 |
| akuznetsova | NikolayM, done) | 16:28 |
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| akuznetsova | I assigned it to kilo-2 and passed BETA AVAILABLE status ) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's in BETA AVAILABLE as well | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I also personally doubt about this one | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ceilometer-integration | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I don't really believe we can get it done in a month | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | so, we have 3 bps which are already done :) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | unless someone helps us | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | yes :) | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova | I want to create bp for creating Rally gate and pylint gate | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | it actually happened because there were BPs with not assigned milestone | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so I missed them then I was releasing Kilo-1 | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, sure, it must be included for its apparent importance | 16:32 |
| akuznetsova | and we will need gate for dashboard tests | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, create a BP for load testing and benchmarking and assign it to Kilo-2 | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just actually not sure if it's feasible to do in this cycle | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | I think we definitely need to create a BP | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | assign it to Kilo-2 with say "medium" priority | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | and during planning poker we first need to estimate all BPs with "high" priority | 16:34 |
| akuznetsova | you assigned this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-tests to kilo-2, it means that we need a gate for them) | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | and see what else we have chances to do | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | hm.... | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | the form may be different | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | but yes, agree | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ideally they should run on a gate | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | it would be nice if someone from deployers could help us set a gate for this | 16:35 |
| dzimine | can we discuss the content of the tests themselves here, or separately? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, find out if there's a chance to get a deployer involve to set a gate for dashboard tests | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | let's then finish this topic? | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | the rest on Kilo-2 scope will be done offline I guess | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Load testing | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so pls go ahead | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | since we don't have a huge amount of time I could suggest we point out just major points probably | 16:38 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, you had a couple of questions | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | and continue to shape out the details offline | 16:38 |
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| akuznetsova | dzimine, btw I answered to your question in the mailing thread | 16:39 |
| dzimine | why don’t you sum up what’s the goal of the tests? May be this is so obvious… but missed in descriptions. | 16:39 |
| dzimine | yes I saw the reply, thank you. | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | load and performance tests, right, so what is the goal and how the load is defined? and how performance is defined and measured? | 16:40 |
| dzimine | which paths do we worry about the most, how the tests relate to these paths? Like do we really worry the most about API being able to get somethign from db and serve it to the clietn???? | 16:41 |
| dzimine | why list_workbooks get the Rabbit communication all together? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | hm... good question | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it actually shouldn't | 16:42 |
| akuznetsova | goals are to measure the time of main Mistral requests, define when the Mistral will not be able to answer, it is what I do now | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | you see, something has already been revealed! ;)) | 16:42 |
| dzimine | I think we need to help akuznetsova with some info on where we expect Misral to fail, and how to create the type of load that is representative of the production load. | 16:43 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, yes, please | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | dmitri, I think load is always defined as a number of operations (of certain types) occuring in a system simultaneously | 16:43 |
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| dzimine | cause if I run the load_workbook test, I can happily shut down engine and executor processes and it will work even better. | 16:43 |
| akuznetsova | I guess we need to define some main scenarios which have to be tested | 16:43 |
| dzimine | da-h. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | but you may be right that we need to tell all these things explicitly | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, I already have scenario with simple wf execution | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | ok, the question to you Dmitri :) | 16:44 |
| dzimine | the key operations for workflow system is number of tasks/actions executing per secound, number of workflows running simultaniously, | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | what scenarios and metrics are important for you? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | let's discuss it and make it a part of the plan | 16:45 |
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| dzimine | once we define the “load” (system is doing somethign that it is supposed to do) we add the tests to see if it remains operational - e.g., run full suite of API tests on top of loaded system to see that it can serve the API while under load | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | Nastya's main goal for the previous cycle was to start doing at least something, learn Rally etc. | 16:45 |
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| dzimine | to me? or used with standard comparison of workflow engines? which is more interesting ? :) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | no, I'm not interested in other workflow engines :) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | rather in your opinion | 16:46 |
| dzimine | hahaha | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | (kidding about other engines of course) | 16:47 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, running API tests from Rally, it is not obvious task and I need to think about it | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | ok, sure | 16:47 |
| dzimine | my opinion althoug interesting indeed, is irrelevant :) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | Rally is just a convenient tool | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | it works in a pretty straightforward way | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | :))) | 16:48 |
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| dzimine | well I am not insisting on running our API tests but you’ll likely to redo some as we need to be sure that API is available while system is under load. | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I meant is "your experience is indeed helpful for us" | 16:48 |
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| dzimine | Now given that not all API created equal: | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | agree on that thought: check API methods when the system is under load (running workflows) | 16:49 |
| dzimine | if we load system with workflows and than run “GET TRIGGERS” API, it will be less representative than if we run GET EXECUTIONS and GET TASKS | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:49 |
| dzimine | member:akuznetsova: I am not trying to invent a wheel here | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | so thought #2: we should make sure to have a highly concurrent access to alike objects | 16:50 |
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| dzimine | member:akuznetsova how are you guys performance/load test other products? | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | from my experience, in all projects it's made differently | 16:51 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, some projects just have a couple of Rally scenarios and Rally gate | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | gol' na vydumki hitra | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | I guess a lot of projects don't do this at all | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | that's the answer ;) | 16:52 |
| dzimine | it brings us back to the goal of load/performance tests. If it is ‘forma’l let’s get rally test mechanics in place for now and deal with this later - fine. | 16:52 |
| akuznetsova | problem is that other openstack projects have lower load threshold | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean, dmitri? | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | I didn't quit understand you | 16:53 |
| dzimine | exactly that, lower threshold. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | you mean we should get rid of Rally for now? | 16:53 |
| dzimine | no, not at all. | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:54 |
| akuznetsova | and for example in some scenarios keystone will die earlier then Mistral | 16:54 |
| dzimine | I mean, we should not stop at formal “couple of rally tests” but do some performance | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | believe me, Rally is a very cool stuff :) | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, yeah | 16:54 |
| dzimine | I have no opinion on rally and I think it’s good. | 16:54 |
| dzimine | It all on us which tests do we go for. | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's try to work on testing strategy together then | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | I think the criteria can be something like: make some assumptions what would be a typical load during production usage and try to emulate that | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | but the challenge is that there's so many dimensions here: | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | 1) deployment schema | 16:56 |
| dzimine | Ok, simply, let’s shit-load engine with multipe highly parallel workflows. Let’s make sure we mesure number of WF and running tasks. | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | 2) type of operation | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | etc. etc. | 16:56 |
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| dzimine | One aspect here is risk. | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | yes, akuznetsova, I think we discussed something like that with you before and it should be something in our docs, right? | 16:57 |
| dzimine | I dont see getting data from API as risky. Except on highly concurrent objects. | 16:57 |
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| dzimine | Which we’ll get to later. | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | I mean "highly parallel workflows" | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:57 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, not yet | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | but as it turns out we have problems even with simple operations | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:58 |
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| dzimine | The potential troubles are engine concurrency and throughput, and action/workecr communicaion. And what’s the point executors begin to block. | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | so looks like testing even simple operations gives us some good information about the system | 16:58 |
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| dzimine | like? | 16:58 |
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| dzimine | “testing simple operations?” | 16:59 |
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| dzimine | the goal of testing is “FIND BIG PROBLEMS FAST”. | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | like "for some reason something is wrong even if we do 'workflow-list' in parallel" | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | that's what I mean | 16:59 |
| dzimine | my whole point is: let’s jump right where the risks are”. | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | it's already a useful piece of info | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | let's create a separate discussion we are out of time now | 17:00 |
| dzimine | ok. | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | generally I agree, but again. We already revealed problems even on simple things so we shouldn't completely ignore them too | 17:00 |
| dzimine | akuznetsova: do you agree or I confused you? | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | but maybe we should spent less time | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | ok, folks | 17:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 22 17:02:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Hello | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:02 |
| sayali | Hi | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Let's dig in | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic branching | 17:03 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite how's it going? | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | waiting for docs team to merge the spec, the required changes are implemented | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141369/ | 17:04 |
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| sarob | Got my posture | 17:05 |
| matjazp | anne already gave +2 so it's just a matter of time (and proofreading :) sean will give +2 too, right :) | 17:05 |
| sarob | Arg | 17:05 |
| sarob | Positive | 17:05 |
| sarob | Just did | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: thanks | 17:06 |
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| sarob | New patch so need annegentle to review it once more | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: AFAIK shes happy with the patch and we are waiting for Andreas to comment on it | 17:07 |
| sarob | Question about juno branch | 17:07 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: shoot | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | that must be one helluva question. | 17:09 |
| sarob | So | 17:10 |
| sarob | If we branch with only xml and scripts | 17:10 |
| sarob | We merge RST | 17:10 |
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| sarob | Update scripts to include juno | 17:11 |
| sarob | Then branch again, | 17:11 |
| sarob | Quickly? | 17:11 |
| sarob | So we can focus on kilo? | 17:11 |
| sarob | Whatca think? | 17:11 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I think we discussed this earlier | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | but ill repeat | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | Juno till Feb 15 ~ depending on various things ofcourse it may be delayed | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | and then release Juno | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | go on with Kilo hopefully with the docs team | 17:12 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite did we? | 17:12 |
| rluethi | sarob: yes | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | *Feb 2015 | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | so by the Kilo release we should expect training-guides to be on track with other projects (release schedule wise) | 17:12 |
| sarob | Hmm, so I don't forget again | 17:12 |
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| sarob | #action sarob create another bp and spec to track the goal of juno branch by 2015 feb | 17:14 |
| sarob | So I don't forget again ;) | 17:14 |
| sarob | Let's move on then | 17:15 |
| sarob | #topic kilo blueprints status | 17:15 |
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| sarob | I can go first | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | sure | 17:15 |
| sarob | I've got a few patches out there | 17:16 |
| sarob | Pending branch | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | sarob: there7s still a question of how to progress after we branch.. see #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142350/ comments at the end | 17:17 |
| sarob | I will be posting the rest next few days | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | what do others think of this? merge as a starting point so we can all contribute ASAP? | 17:18 |
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| sayali | I think we should wait till we branch | 17:19 |
| rluethi | matjazp: as long as we are confident that it will come out of draft mode in the foreseeable future... | 17:19 |
| sarob | Matjazp the plan is to branch icehouse with xml only | 17:19 |
| sarob | I'm hopeful we can branch today or tomorrow | 17:19 |
| rluethi | sayali: absolutely. | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: first thing would be to wait for branch, after that delete the XML content which should be one single patch and then start pushing Juno stuff into master branch | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | till we release Juno | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: I agree | 17:20 |
| matjazp | yes, that's why I said AFTER we branch.. of course we branch first | 17:20 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite we shouldn't make any huge changes | 17:21 |
| sarob | I think deleting all the content is a huge change | 17:21 |
| rluethi | sarob: I thought that's what we've been saying since Paris. | 17:21 |
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| sarob | We can move through the chapters as patches pretty quickly | 17:22 |
| sarob | 18 dec goal is about making this change quickly | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I do see a point in deleting content chapter wise | 17:22 |
| sarob | For getting the rst up | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | may be book wise would be good | 17:22 |
| sarob | But don't want to break it | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: break what? | 17:23 |
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| sarob | The published content | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: that will be taken care of | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | the end-users will not see any downtime if that is what you mean | 17:23 |
| sarob | Yeah I know we can do it | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | the XML content will still be published as it is now | 17:23 |
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| sarob | While we are getting the rst HTML fixed up | 17:24 |
| sarob | We still have the rest published | 17:24 |
| sarob | Could be as short as a day | 17:24 |
| sarob | Transitsition | 17:24 |
| sarob | But with patch review and holidays | 17:25 |
| sarob | Never know | 17:25 |
| sarob | And there is reeds patch for hieroglyph | 17:26 |
| reed | yeah, I was just thinking about that ... hieroglyph is not bad | 17:27 |
| rluethi | sarob: so what do you propose? | 17:27 |
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| sarob | Rluethi we branch so we can move forward | 17:27 |
| sarob | We start merging rst | 17:27 |
| reed | but I am not sure mixing slides and text-based content in the same file is really a viable option | 17:28 |
| rluethi | sarob: I think we all agree that we want to branch soon. Do you want to vote on that? | 17:28 |
| sarob | In parallel we agree or disagree on landslide or hieroglyph | 17:28 |
| reed | i personally agree on hieroglyph | 17:29 |
| matjazp | there are some projects that can generate different HTML5 presentations from RST source. | 17:29 |
| reed | although I don't disagree on anything else either | 17:29 |
| rluethi | if reed prefers hieroglyph, I support it, too. | 17:29 |
| sarob | And once we are ready to publish slides we switch | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree on Hieroglyph | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | I think we should have a vote on this | 17:29 |
| sarob | And then patch to remove xml | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I thought first thing after branching is cleaning up the XML content | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | we will have it in the Icehouse branch | 17:30 |
| sarob | But we still need the published xml | 17:31 |
| matjazp | reed, how do you propose to keep text (eg. presenatation notes)? | 17:31 |
| matjazp | reed: separate document? | 17:31 |
| reed | matjazp, notes should stay in the hieroglyph file | 17:31 |
| sarob | As HTML | 17:31 |
| reed | hiero can build notes as presenter's notes :) | 17:31 |
| reed | just like landslide | 17:31 |
| matjazp | reed: ok, thanks | 17:32 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite shouldn't we wait to reemove xml until rst is ready to be HTML published | 17:32 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: we have the content in Icehouse, it will not have any effect on the docs.openstack.org page either | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | I prefer cleaning up the mess as its difficult to do that once the RST content is in | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | and I am afraid of new people patching on the XML code | 17:33 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite hmm, okay | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | thats another thing I prefer to totally avoid | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | exactly. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: patches will come as ppl will use icehouse version of the docs, I'm afraid | 17:34 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite avoiding zombie xml patches | 17:34 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: so some proosed patches will come nevertheless | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: bugs mostly and they can be backported I will love to have them | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | but if the same patches are there in the master branch then we need to maintain two copies | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | and backport them etc. etc. | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | should we not make our lives easier? | 17:34 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite yes easier is good | 17:35 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: I'm sold on "make our lives easier" ;) | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | I am not saying that XML content will be completely removed :), they will be maintained in the Icehouse branch | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 17:35 |
| sayali | yes makes sense :) | 17:35 |
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| sarob | And sense it's part of the branching spec I +2 | 17:38 |
| sarob | ;) | 17:38 |
| sarob | So we need more specs | 17:38 |
| sarob | If you have signed on for a bp | 17:39 |
| sayali | I have pushed 1 patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143270/ | 17:39 |
| sayali | but it needs some more work | 17:39 |
| sayali | And one more will come soon | 17:39 |
| sarob | I see | 17:39 |
| sarob | Sayali I will review | 17:39 |
| sayali | I need to do some more findings for the 2nd one | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Sayali okay, get it pushed as soon as you can | 17:40 |
| sayali | sure, you can do that after I upload the new patchset | 17:40 |
| sarob | Matjazp we need a couple of specs for your bp as well | 17:40 |
| matjazp | I'm still a bit behind on my specs. Some urgent work before holidays kick in I'm afraid.. | 17:40 |
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| sarob | Matjazp understood | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | will try to finish both of them asap | 17:41 |
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| sarob | Matjazp we are all volunteers here | 17:41 |
| sarob | Matjazp so we do what we can | 17:41 |
| rluethi | My spec has been in limbo for two weeks and I am very okay with where it is. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137299/ | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | It won't make it in kilo. | 17:42 |
| matjazp | I was talking with my coworker Miha about joining in occasionally... | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | may be you need to learn from inception and try and get it out of limbo asap or you may get lost! | 17:42 |
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| sarob | Rluethi I was distracted with the other work | 17:43 |
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| sarob | Rluethi I will comment | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sarob: excuses, excuses :) | 17:43 |
| sarob | Rluethi I've got hundreds of em | 17:44 |
| sarob | Let's move on | 17:44 |
| rluethi | seriously, though, we don't have the resource to do it. but hopefully we will get additional information in this cycle that will helps with it eventually. | 17:44 |
| matjazp | hehe-- there are always Christmas miracles, right? Maybe Santa can deliver some quality Specs under my tree | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: good luck with that :) | 17:45 |
| sarob | Rluethi yes, I believe we are getting traction | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | hehe | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Rluethi we keep the work going | 17:45 |
| sarob | Rluethi more help will come | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Rluethi esp with the user group visibility | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Down soapbox | 17:47 |
| rluethi | sarob: of course we are all interested in feedback from the pilot | 17:47 |
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| sarob | I'm getting the trainers group started up | 17:47 |
| matjazp | I've got some feedback for you rluethi | 17:48 |
| sarob | I've created a survey | 17:48 |
| rluethi | matjazp: excellent. | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sarob: cool! | 17:48 |
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| matjazp | everything works as it should (minus small issue with locale settings you already fixed) | 17:49 |
| sarob | #action sarob share user group training survey results with training team | 17:49 |
| rluethi | matjazp: nice. I suppose you had no Windows users? | 17:49 |
| matjazp | there are some issues with performance - nested virtualization on Virtual Box could be too slow for some advanced testing | 17:49 |
| rluethi | matjazp: dguitarbite and sayali are working on KVM support, that should help with performance. | 17:50 |
| sarob | Rluethi I want to get the user group using osbash | 17:51 |
| matjazp | rluethi: no, I didn't push it ;) We explicitly booted Linux (Ubuntu). But I will have more feedback after holidays, when they test at home | 17:51 |
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| sarob | Rluethi need the trainers to include | 17:51 |
| rluethi | matjazp: cool. feel free to give them my email address. | 17:51 |
| sayali | yes performance is much fater. dguitarbite had it running on KVM | 17:51 |
| sarob | Rluethi and learn how to manage with 30 people | 17:51 |
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| sayali | faster* | 17:52 |
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| * sarob osbash KVM spec..... | 17:52 | |
| matjazp | rluethi: maybe we should also look again at Vagrant- it already has many providers supported (KVM an HyperV inscluded) | 17:53 |
| sayali | sarob: that should also be pushed by eom as far as I remember my discussion with dguitarbite | 17:54 |
| rluethi | matjazp: problem with vagrant is that it's non-trivial to install, even more so if you want to use its plugins. | 17:54 |
| sarob | Sayali okay | 17:54 |
| rluethi | matjazp: _and_ rebooting during install is a PITA. | 17:54 |
| matjazp | rluethi: non trivial? how so? | 17:54 |
| matjazp | rluethi: yes, rebooting is an issue | 17:55 |
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| sarob | Real quick | 17:55 |
| sarob | Before we run out of time | 17:55 |
| rluethi | matjazp: the versions of vagrant that come with various distros are quite different, so we might have to ask users to manually install an update. | 17:56 |
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| sarob | I want to propose we use the nova method for proposing new core reviewers | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, but this is covered on the net in countless blog posts | 17:56 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: on Windows, last time I checked there were environment variables to set, and installing plugins required extra work. | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: eom? | 17:57 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoreTeam#Adding_or_Removing_Members | 17:57 |
| sayali | dguitarbite: was it later? I could have misunderstood | 17:57 |
| sarob | Read up and let's discuss next meeting | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: first thiings first, release | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | I dont want to do 100 things at the same time | 17:58 |
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| sarob | I'm good with that | 17:58 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: its a small thing to agree to | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Last thing | 17:58 |
| sarob | Let's miss the next meeting | 17:58 |
| reed | :) | 17:59 |
| sarob | Next meeting 06 January | 17:59 |
| sarob | That's two meeting miss | 17:59 |
| rluethi | k | 17:59 |
| matjazp | ok | 17:59 |
| sarob | Everyone good with that? | 17:59 |
| sayali | yep | 17:59 |
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| rluethi | wait, on a tuesday? | 17:59 |
| sarob | Oops that week the | 18:00 |
| sarob | The | 18:00 |
| sarob | Then | 18:00 |
| rluethi | okay, 5th then. | 18:00 |
| sarob | Right | 18:00 |
| sarob | Time to go | 18:00 |
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| rluethi | bye | 18:00 |
| matjazp | bye all | 18:00 |
| sarob | Merry Christmas everyone | 18:00 |
| matjazp | happy hollidays | 18:00 |
| sayali | bye! | 18:00 |
| sarob | And cheers! | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | happy holidays :) | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 18:01 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 22 18:01:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-22-17.02.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-22-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-22-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 22 18:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
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| sweston | o/ | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | anyone around for third-party work? | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | hey sweston | 18:01 |
| asselin | o/ | 18:01 |
| sweston | hello krtaylor | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | hi asselin | 18:02 |
| asselin | hi | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | didn't know if we'd have anyone today :) | 18:02 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 18:02 |
| sweston | yup, should be a quiet week | 18:02 |
| asselin | I checked the agenda and saw we had one, so here I am :) | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | I did create an agenda, but I'm not actively driving things this week | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | yeah, I debated calling this one | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | so welcome everyone, this might be a quick one | 18:03 |
| dougwig | i've got one announcement/item. | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | cool, one sec | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | get the meeting agenda underway | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | although, this grew is prob very aware of the OpenSTack Mission | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | and here is the agenda for completeness | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F22.2F14 | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | no previous action items | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | so on to you dougwig | 18:06 |
| dougwig | heya | 18:06 |
| dougwig | the neutron services split broke a lot of CIs. that work is now complete, and if your CI hasn't recovered, it'll need manual intervention. contact me if you have any trouble. | 18:06 |
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| dougwig | that's it from me. | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | yeah, saw that | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | thanks dougwig | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | any questions from anyone? | 18:07 |
| patrickeast | dougwig: what were the symptoms of the problems? | 18:07 |
| ja_ | I have a question on the community CI system: is its current sizing/config info listed anywhere on the wiki/etc? I'm trying to rough-size one for z/VM. | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, why don't we table that for the open discussion | 18:07 |
| dougwig | they use 8GB/4 cores for slaves, though if you're not testing swift, you can get away with 4GB/1 core. | 18:08 |
| dougwig | oops. :) | 18:08 |
| ja_ | ah; I took the 'any questions' to mean we were there; np to wait | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | heh, np | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | yes, I should have been specific | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, did you see patrickeast 's question? | 18:09 |
| dougwig | no, thank you. patrickeast: tempest tests related to services will bomb. if you're using devstack or devstack-gate, it should auto-recover, else you need to manually install the three new repos. | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | it was problems testing LBaaS FWaaS and VPNaaS | 18:10 |
| patrickeast | ah ok, thanks | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | there was a patch too 140864 | 18:11 |
| dougwig | the final devstack patch is still out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141873/ | 18:12 |
| dougwig | though since no one has new db models yet, it's not fatal. | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | good info | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | anything else for dougwig? | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | ok, next announcement was just a reminder that service account creation is now self service | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | the description is here: | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | link# http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#creating-a-service-account | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | I have not heard any grumblings about that, it seems to be a great success | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | next was just a reminder for the forming of the CI doc subgroup | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | sign up here: | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | I'll get that going after the new year | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | also wanted to mention that omrim_ and nuritv have pushed out a FAQ patch to kick it off | 18:18 |
| sweston | woot | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141817 | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | reviews please | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | next is the monitoring dashboard spec, lots of activity there | 18:19 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170 | 18:19 |
| sweston | yup, thanks everyone for your reviews | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | sweston, did you want to comment on that | 18:19 |
| sweston | if we have time during open discussion, I'd like to discuss a few of the issues | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | sweston, will do | 18:20 |
| sweston | also, an update .. I've been busy refactoring the application to split out the api service from the web client. | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | oh, good | 18:20 |
| sweston | I have implemented the web client in angularjs, and implemented the rest api with pecan/wsme. | 18:20 |
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| sweston | I will be finished with that this week. | 18:21 |
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| sweston | I am still waiting on review permissions on the stackforge repo, however. | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | ok, I'll hit the review again and read about it | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | sweston, for radar? | 18:21 |
| sweston | yes | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | hm, ok, well, maybe it is time for a new project, or split into parts like jhesketh suggested | 18:22 |
| sweston | so until I have the proper permissions, I will continue to update the github repo | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | maybe part of the solution could use radar, I'd hate to block this dropping | 18:22 |
| sweston | mikal did get back to me last week with an answer, saying that I could use the repo | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | sweston, hopefully it is just a holiday thing, we'll make faster progress after the new year I expect | 18:23 |
| sweston | krtaylor: ok, fingers crossed | 18:23 |
| sweston | I will ping him again next week if I haven't heard anything | 18:24 |
| sweston | that's all I have | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | he may be on holiday | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | ok, thanks again sweston | 18:24 |
| sweston | krtaylor: you're welcome :-) | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | next up is starting to socialize the idea of dividing up the meeting times into a Mentoring time for new CI teams | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | and a work group time for getting patches reviewed, and docs and other work done | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | kinda what I have been doing here | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | there is a need for both, and our mission has included both | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | might be time to split that up | 18:26 |
| dougwig | i think the division is great, but do we really have three hours of content per week? | 18:26 |
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| asselin | the mentoring times is really for ppl to get together online and ask questions | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, short answer is no, at least not for the work group part | 18:27 |
| asselin | (the way I understand it) | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | yes as asselin said, the idea of the Mentoring time is like for office hours, open questions | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | helping teams get started, bootstrapping CI is difficult | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | it is times when infra folks will be available for questions about infra components and how it all works | 18:28 |
| dougwig | is that something we could setup on-demand somehow? i'm happy to help people setup, but the current proposal is a larger meeting time commitment than active devs give even to neutron itself. | 18:28 |
| asselin | any reason why this current time is not kept for the workgroup? | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | asselin, the feedback I got was that the curent Monday time doesnt work for several people | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | and, we want to make the work group time accessible for more people world wide | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | the mid-day time is really only good for US | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, to your point, there is not enough content for the working group | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | only one weekly meeting, at alternating times | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | those times are being decided in an online poll at: | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | #link https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=21b93c | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, the other Mentoring times are for on-demand questions from new teams and operators | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | I will edit the wiki in the next week or so and make this more clear | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | we'll try this new format in the new year | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | starting it now doesnt make much sense, we'll just confuse a lot of folks | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | but I want to give everyone a heads up that it is coming | 18:34 |
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| ja__ | thinking out loud: will there be some place where mentoring questions could be added (e.g. another mtg agenda)? if so, people could also put (the beginnings of) answers there. | 18:35 |
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| ja__ | ...I'm thinking of a question queue for the mentoring mtg | 18:35 |
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| asselin | ja__ +1 | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | ja_, that's a great idea | 18:35 |
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| ja__ | ... my assumption would be, if there's a chair, that they'd chunk together adjacent topics | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | I'll add that to the agenda | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | ja_, yes and it will help infra folks assemble the right people to answer the question | 18:36 |
| ja__ | is there a specific cutover date for the new mtg schedule? | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | ja_, I am thinking I'll get it started the first week of Jan | 18:37 |
| reed | ja__, one place to ask question is https://ask.openstack.org, we can build FAQs there | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | voting has slowed down, so that seems like a good time | 18:37 |
| dougwig | i wonder if a third-party discuss mailing list wouldn't fill a lot of this need without another meeting. right now we have -announce or the infra mailing list, neither of which is terribly friendly to newbie questions. | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | re: FAQ, yes, and we will have a section in the new third-party ci doc too | 18:38 |
| reed | dougwig, what's unfriendly about those? | 18:38 |
| dougwig | heh, i knew someone would call me on using that word. :) | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, typically we have wanted to use -infra | 18:38 |
| reed | krtaylor, I encourage you to experiment with ask.openstack.org because that place gets lots of search engine traffic | 18:38 |
| dougwig | not unfriendly, per se, just the wrong forum, which is always pointed out. | 18:38 |
| ja__ | dougwig, by a [new] list do you mean a [third-party] or similar subject tag? | 18:38 |
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| reed | dougwig, I'm just curious :) | 18:39 |
| asselin | +1 for an 'official' tag and use -dev mailing list | 18:39 |
| dougwig | new ML or a standardized tag, sure. | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | dougwig, -announce isnt the place for questions, it is for letting ci accounts know something from infra core | 18:39 |
| reed | ja__, tags assume that new people know a) tags exist b) they know/learn how to use them | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | the official tag is [third-party] | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | we agreed to that a long time ago | 18:40 |
| asselin | krtaylor, link? | 18:40 |
| dougwig | is there a reason that isn't getting the setup question traffic, then? | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | asselin, not within reach atm | 18:40 |
| reed | asselin, http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev | 18:41 |
| ja__ | reed, fair enough. I'm not yet sure of the temp in this community. In some I've been in the answer would be "smack 'm until they use the right tag" i.e. untagged questions would be largely ignored if only because "everyone" filters on them programmatically in their email clients. | 18:41 |
| asselin | krtaylor, perhaps an action then to make sure it's easy to find | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | asselin, agreed, good for doc patch | 18:41 |
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| reed | ja__, that's why I suggest using Ask OpenStack also, in addition to email which requires a steeper learning curve | 18:42 |
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| ja__ | fwiw I spent much of last half of last week scouring pages and never ran into the [third-party] ... which surprised me | 18:42 |
| reed | asselin, the topics on mailing lists are hard to find, it's a fact of (mailman) life | 18:42 |
| asselin | reed, didn't find the tags there...and don't remember my pw | 18:42 |
| reed | asselin, that's your answer then :) | 18:43 |
| asselin | :) | 18:43 |
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| reed | the official topics for the mailing lists are in the mailman options page | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | re: tags, I added a mention to the doc etherpad | 18:44 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, I agree, we can make that more clear | 18:44 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, your input on how to fix this as you are coming up to speed will be invaluable | 18:45 |
| ja__ | @reed, try google on "openstack mailman options" and see if it's in the first result page - I'm not seeing it | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | I think a FAQ in ci docs would get a lot of use | 18:46 |
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| ja__ | krtaylor, you'll find I'm a good tester. lots of jokes about that in my old groups. former officemate used to call me into her new office to watch her screen so things would start working (rather than failing in front of me so I could debug them) | 18:46 |
| reed | ja__, I put a link before: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev | 18:46 |
| asselin | btw, I got in and there's no tag for thrid party | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | ja_, hehheh | 18:46 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, you got in where? | 18:47 |
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| reed | ah! krtaylor there is no topic for [third-party] on openstack-dev | 18:47 |
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| asselin | krtaylor, http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev | 18:47 |
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| reed | which confirms the kumbersomeness of those things :) | 18:47 |
| * reed invents words | 18:48 | |
| ja__ | reed, then I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were saying that your link showed the valid [tags]... not a login screen. | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | not formalized ever, convention | 18:48 |
| asselin | krtaylor, ok, convention :) | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | if someone wants to formalize that, get after it! | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | that would be extremely cool | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | and I am not married to third-party either | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | but it is what we have been using | 18:49 |
| asselin | I'm fine with convention. Let's just make it more visible in docs, meeting page, etc | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | external testing, 3rd party, lots of options were discussed | 18:49 |
| reed | I have added [third-party] as a topic | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | excellent | 18:50 |
| reed | #info [third-party] is now a topic on openstack-dev mailing list. http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev | 18:50 |
| asselin | reed, awesome! | 18:50 |
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| krtaylor | that is fantastic, thanks reed ! | 18:50 |
| reed | asselin, don't get too excited: topics are hard to use, I don't know how many people use them. | 18:50 |
| asselin | ok, now that's it's official, we still need to make it more visible :) | 18:50 |
| krtaylor | every little bit helps | 18:51 |
| asselin | reed, don't worry, I get that very well :) | 18:51 |
| sweston | asselin: +100 | 18:51 |
| reed | it will help people who sign up for the first time, they may see third-party in the full list of topics... that's it | 18:51 |
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| krtaylor | we can keep chipping away at it, someday we'll have an easy button :) | 18:51 |
| ja__ | ala the old dilbert: [the code is done] TPHB: Now all we need is that Plan. | 18:51 |
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| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:51 |
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| krtaylor | anything else on that? | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | 8 minutes | 18:52 |
| asselin | well...I'm interested int he ask.openstack.org idea | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | and links to and from that in the doc | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | noted in doc etherpad | 18:53 |
| reed | asselin, https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/ :) | 18:54 |
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| reed | anyone with high enough karma can edit questions and re-tag them | 18:54 |
| asselin | might be a good tool for these kind of questions | 18:54 |
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| reed | so if you have a pool of people moderating and adding tags you can crate a live FAQ | 18:55 |
| reed | s/crate/create | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | ok, I'm going to skip protocol and jump to Open Discussion, we are there anyway :) | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:55 |
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| asselin | I can start to monitor. play around with it. | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | me too | 18:55 |
| asselin | I have 1 karma :) | 18:56 |
| reed | asselin, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/AskModerators to get started | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | nice | 18:56 |
| reed | #info to get started with Ask OpenStack https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/AskModerators and https://ask.openstack.org/faq | 18:56 |
| ja__ | bookmark to get back to sizing question we tabled earlier | 18:56 |
| reed | #info the idea is for moderators to be brutal and edit questions radically so that they can be re-used in the future by others with similar issues | 18:57 |
| krtaylor | ja_, sure, we can mix topics, what was the question | 18:57 |
| sweston | interesting | 18:57 |
| reed | #info edit the questions and answers down so that they represent 1 single problem with at least 1 possible correct solution | 18:57 |
| reed | that's the basic :) | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | reed, and used in docs FAQ | 18:58 |
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| reed | krtaylor, exactly, the principle should be so that you can re-use the content | 18:58 |
| * krtaylor needs to go play around with this | 18:58 | |
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| ja__ | I'm trying to rough-size a 3rd party CI sys for zvm. The more I know about the size/shape of what the community system (realizing it's x86) is using, since that meets the wg's SLA, more accurate I can be. | 18:58 |
| reed | ideally embedding the live documents, not copying it over (too much work) | 18:58 |
| ja__ | ...earlier dougwig said [with swift] 8GB+4 cores, [without] 4+1 ... how much disk, and how many slaves do you average (or set, if it's constrained) | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, we have similar problem with PowerKVM | 18:59 |
| notmyname | questions around thrid party swift QA testing? | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | ja_, its a tough question because we are a new environment, not just testing a driver | 19:00 |
| dougwig | i use 40GB disks on slaves (steady state is 20GB, much more with cinder), and I have 2 slaves during off-times, 3-4 during crunch. | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | we can move this discussion, we are out of time | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | move to -infra or -dev? | 19:00 |
| ja__ | krtaylor, figured that. that's why I call mine a rough sizing. | 19:00 |
| dougwig | ja__: for neutron, plan on running ~12 jobs/hour during crunch time. | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, another great meeting! | 19:00 |
| dougwig | bye | 19:00 |
| sweston | thanks everyone | 19:01 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Load testing (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 22 19:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-22-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| ja__ | ...what dougwig gave me is all I can think of to ask at this pt, don't expect a lot of continuation from me until I get a system | 19:01 |
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| mestery | FYI: No nuetron meeting today folks: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053452.html | 21:04 |
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