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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 23 08:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 08:00 |
| nuritv | yes | 08:00 |
| anteaya | nuritv: hello | 08:00 |
| omrim_ | Yes Hello | 08:00 |
| nuritv | Hi Anteaya | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello omrim_ | 08:01 |
| anteaya | what shall we discuss today? | 08:01 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: Hi | 08:01 |
| omrim_ | What about the FAQ page? we should increase the information there | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | omrim_: lets have the url for that patch` | 08:02 |
| anteaya | we can see how that is coming along | 08:02 |
| omrim_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141817/ | 08:03 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141817/ | 08:03 |
| anteaya | if you put the link command before it it will show up in the meeting minutes | 08:03 |
| anteaya | omrim_: there are some -1's on it | 08:03 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I know I will fix it | 08:04 |
| anteaya | great | 08:04 |
| anteaya | can you do so now? | 08:04 |
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| omrim_ | anteaya: Sure | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | Jenkins is also failing, the docs are failing to build | 08:04 |
| anteaya | have you looked at the logs to see why? | 08:05 |
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| omrim_ | anteaya: Yes | 08:05 |
| anteaya | great, what have you found? | 08:06 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I got: "Definition list ends without a blank line; unexpected unindent" | 08:06 |
| anteaya | do you know what that means? | 08:07 |
| anteaya | here is the entire line | 08:08 |
| anteaya | #info sphinx.errors.SphinxWarning: /home/jenkins/workspace/gate-ci-docs/doc/source/third_party.rst:338: WARNING: Definition list ends without a blank line; unexpected unindent. | 08:08 |
| anteaya | so the third_party.rst:338 is important here | 08:08 |
| anteaya | the third_party.rst is the file | 08:08 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I assume that I did not put space in the end of the marked block | 08:08 |
| anteaya | and the 338 is the line number | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | do you see both pleia2 and asselin have added comments to help you there | 08:10 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: Thanks | 08:11 |
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| anteaya | nuritv: were there other things to discuss while omrim_ offers a new patchset? | 08:13 |
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| nuritv | anteaya: not from me. we are keeping an eye on the changes in Neutron and start working no them | 08:13 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 08:13 |
| nuritv | *on | 08:13 |
| anteaya | there are many changes in neutron, which ones are you tracking? | 08:14 |
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| nuritv | splitting the plugins and drivers | 08:14 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 08:14 |
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| nuritv | we have quite a work to do there | 08:14 |
| anteaya | splitting out code is work that is true | 08:14 |
| nuritv | :) | 08:15 |
| anteaya | have you worked through armax's instructions yet at least once to practice splitting out your code? | 08:15 |
| nuritv | however, there is still a lot of "noise" in CI systems these days - so we also keep an eye on that | 08:15 |
| anteaya | yes that is true | 08:15 |
| nuritv | we've started doing so. we are looking at the ODL MD as an example | 08:16 |
| anteaya | figuring out what to listen to and what to reduce takes work | 08:16 |
| anteaya | MD? | 08:16 |
| nuritv | mechanism Driver | 08:16 |
| anteaya | ah | 08:16 |
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| nuritv | so since, most of blue prints were declined, we have time to the some infra work :) | 08:17 |
| anteaya | okay well it costs nothing to run the commands to split out your code, and then you can test the result to see if you have all you need | 08:17 |
| anteaya | well that is good then | 08:17 |
| nuritv | yes. that's the plan | 08:17 |
| anteaya | since the infra work is the basis for all else | 08:17 |
| anteaya | hard for folks to see that sometimes | 08:17 |
| nuritv | i agree. | 08:17 |
| anteaya | but it is really important to being able to keep up with growth when it happens | 08:18 |
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| nuritv | BTW, i wanted to give a +1 for the do it yourself gerrit acoount | 08:18 |
| anteaya | great | 08:19 |
| anteaya | glad to have that feedback thank you | 08:19 |
| nuritv | Murad from my team had done it and it was very easy | 08:19 |
| anteaya | oh wonderful | 08:19 |
| anteaya | thanks, that maybe the first feedback I have had on that, so that is helpful thank you | 08:19 |
| anteaya | I'm glad it was straightforward | 08:20 |
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| nuritv | thank you :) | 08:20 |
| anteaya | :D | 08:20 |
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| anteaya | many times we do things and never get any positive feedback | 08:20 |
| anteaya | but we haven't had any complaints | 08:20 |
| anteaya | and now some positive feedback so that it nice | 08:21 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:21 |
| nuritv | np | 08:21 |
| anteaya | nuritv: so most of north america is coming up to holidays | 08:22 |
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| nuritv | yes - i guess this is why it is so quiet | 08:22 |
| anteaya | yes | 08:22 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I have another issue | 08:22 |
| anteaya | omrim_: go ahead | 08:22 |
| jhesketh | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 08:23 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: But I am not complaining..:) | 08:23 |
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| anteaya | hi jhesketh | 08:23 |
| anteaya | omrim_: I'm listening | 08:23 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: When I use try to install a new jenkins master I got the following error: | 08:23 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: When I use try to install a new jenkins master I got the following error: | 08:23 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: not to worry we were just working on omrim_'s patch | 08:23 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: http://paste.openstack.org/show/154104/ | 08:24 |
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| omrim_ | anteaya: I think that This issue came after the changes in install_pupprt script | 08:25 |
| anteaya | omrim_: ah I think this is an extension of the conversation we were having in -infra today | 08:25 |
| omrim_ | *puppet | 08:25 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: omrim_ followed jay's blogpost and then was having this difficulty | 08:25 |
| anteaya | well the error is saying that it is looking for a puppet.conf.erb file that it can't find | 08:26 |
| anteaya | where is your puppet.conf.erb file located? | 08:26 |
| anteaya | because it appears that your module/os_ext_testing/manifests/base.pp is telling it to look somewhere and it isn't there | 08:28 |
| omrim_ | It should be at: /root/config/modules/openstack_project/templates/puppet.conf.erb | 08:28 |
| jhesketh | is this because the project_config is split out now? | 08:28 |
| anteaya | and as fungi pointed out in the -infra channel today the os_ext_testing module is not one we support | 08:29 |
| omrim_ | And the install_puppet should create this file | 08:29 |
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| anteaya | jhesketh: not sure, that might be part of it, since jay created this module before the split | 08:29 |
| jhesketh | yeah, I'm not familiar with Jay's setup | 08:29 |
| anteaya | neither is fungi | 08:29 |
| anteaya | so the suggestion was to move to using modules we do support | 08:30 |
| anteaya | and I don't think jay is supporting his stuff right now either | 08:30 |
| anteaya | he had said that he had placed warnings at the top of the blog posts saying this material is out of date and no longer supported | 08:31 |
| anteaya | omrim_: do you see a statement at the top of the blog post saying the content is out of date? | 08:31 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: That's true | 08:31 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: Yes | 08:31 |
| anteaya | well it is possible that what you are seeing is a consequence of the fact the material is out of date | 08:31 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: The point that I can find my own solution | 08:31 |
| anteaya | well have you tried using any code from infra? | 08:32 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: But I think that we should define a convention to prevent such an independent solutions | 08:32 |
| anteaya | you can find it on git.openstack.org/openstack-infra | 08:32 |
| anteaya | omrim_: well while that is a good idea | 08:32 |
| anteaya | the difficulty lies in finding people willing to follow such a convention | 08:33 |
| anteaya | whereas the current approach lies in improving communication and making the software more modular | 08:33 |
| anteaya | and you and nuritv are welcome to help with both | 08:34 |
| anteaya | you are learning the workflow for improving communication by offering your patch to the .rst file and working through the comments | 08:34 |
| anteaya | as well as participating at the meetings, thank you | 08:34 |
| anteaya | and you are welcome to participate in making the software more modular | 08:34 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I will be glad to be the owner of such a generic solution | 08:35 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: For that, we should do a design | 08:35 |
| anteaya | ah, well while I appreciate your enthusiasm | 08:35 |
| anteaya | what I am trying to say is that we have tried it in the past and getting this group to come to consensous is difficult | 08:36 |
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| anteaya | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 08:36 |
| anteaya | that is the spec we are working on to make the software more modular | 08:36 |
| anteaya | and actually putting your energy behind this effort which is already underway | 08:37 |
| anteaya | is a great step toward increasing the energy that you are identifying | 08:37 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: :) | 08:39 |
| anteaya | :D | 08:39 |
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| anteaya | omrim_: do you think we will see a new patchset for 141817 from you before the end of the meeting? | 08:44 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: I try to run the tox testing on my own enviroment before I add the patchset in order to avoud such a tox fauilre | 08:47 |
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| anteaya | good workflow | 08:47 |
| anteaya | well done | 08:47 |
| anteaya | are you able to run tox? | 08:47 |
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| omrim_ | anteaya: Not really because in my server it passed | 08:49 |
| anteaya | I don't understand what you just said | 08:50 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: While I except tox to failed like at the gerrit | 08:50 |
| anteaya | when you execute the `tox` command, does tox run? | 08:50 |
| anteaya | well then tox ran successfully | 08:50 |
| anteaya | well done | 08:50 |
| anteaya | and you had output | 08:50 |
| anteaya | which tells you the patch still needs work | 08:50 |
| anteaya | do you understand what needs to be changed in your patch? | 08:51 |
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| anteaya | have you a blank line after your code block as pleia2 suggested? | 08:51 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: Yes I understand what should I have to change | 08:52 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:52 |
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| heyongli | anteaya, hi, could i ask a question? | 08:53 |
| anteaya | heyongli: hello, of course | 08:53 |
| heyongli | refer to this page: http://logs.openstack.org/48/142648/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/285f251/ | 08:53 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: But when I run tox in the version that exist now at the gerrit I do not get the failure so I want to see the failure in my enviroment and then I will be able to change and rerun | 08:53 |
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| anteaya | omrim_: the version of what, do you mean patchset 4? | 08:54 |
| heyongli | there is some text, "Guide to Tempest Results Runs.....", how add it to apache? our ci should put testcases link there. | 08:54 |
| omrim_ | Yes | 08:54 |
| anteaya | heyongli: don't worry about creating a page of text there | 08:55 |
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| anteaya | heyongli: if you want to put some information about your system and your test runs, that is fine, you don't have to | 08:55 |
| anteaya | heyongli: you don't have to match the text on this page | 08:55 |
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| heyongli | anteaya, that' s a good thing. and jogo want to see some link to testcases, i think there is the best palce to do such thing. | 08:56 |
| anteaya | omrim_: interesting that running tox locally does not replicate the error that jenkins shows | 08:56 |
| anteaya | heyongli: I think that would be a good direction | 08:56 |
| heyongli | i don't know how to do that -:).. | 08:57 |
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| anteaya | heyongli: well there is a template with text somewhere in the source code, I would grep for "Guide to Tempest Results Runs" to find it | 08:57 |
| anteaya | they I would come up with my own version | 08:58 |
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| anteaya | are you running a fork of tempest or are you downloading a fresh tempest on a regular basis? | 08:58 |
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| anteaya | omrim_: the only thing I could suggest is that versions of tox or sphinix on your local env don't match gerrits | 08:59 |
| anteaya | omrim_: so you can either try to fix that or submit to gerrit | 08:59 |
| anteaya | or both | 08:59 |
| anteaya | and we are at time for this week | 09:00 |
| anteaya | no meeting next week | 09:00 |
| anteaya | next meeting Jan 6th | 09:00 |
| omrim_ | anteaya: Thanks, I think that the problem is with tthe tox.ini content | 09:00 |
| anteaya | thank you all for attending | 09:00 |
| anteaya | omrim_: okay | 09:00 |
| anteaya | time for me to end the meeting | 09:00 |
| heyongli | anteaya, thanks, | 09:00 |
| anteaya | see you Jan. 6th | 09:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 23 09:00:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-23-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-23-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-23-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 23 15:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| bauzas | aloha | 15:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 15:00 |
| * bauzas in the starting-blocks before going on vacation | 15:00 | |
| n0ano | bauzas, was that an indicator of where your vacation is :-) | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: eh, I won't spoil it | 15:01 |
| n0ano | enjoy no matter what | 15:02 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:02 |
| n0ano | anyway, I think we can keep it short today | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:02 | |
| bauzas | lol | 15:02 |
| alex_xu | heh | 15:02 |
| n0ano | I really don't have anything, the specs are doing well except we'll have to get an exception for Jay's object stuff which should be easy | 15:03 |
| bauzas | so I guess we can lazily provide the link to the wikipage and leave the lurkers check it ? | 15:03 |
| n0ano | you mean: | 15:03 |
| n0ano | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt/kilo#Tasks | 15:03 |
| bauzas | yeah ! | 15:03 |
| bauzas | so indeed, there *are* 2 specs that could need an exception | 15:04 |
| n0ano | how do you see 2, I only see 1 | 15:04 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138444/ | 15:04 |
| bauzas | I still need to review edleafe's spec, but I have hard time for it | 15:04 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:04 |
| edleafe | sorry, dragging a little this morning | 15:05 |
| n0ano | ahh, I need to re-jigger the table, there's only one approved line for 2 items | 15:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I proposed a different approach after we chatted | 15:05 |
| bauzas | anyway, it seems most of the cores are on vacation, so that should be tight to get 2x +2s from nova-drivers during that non-official freeze period | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: be sure your spec will be my bedside book | 15:06 |
| n0ano | edleafe's spec seems pretty obvious, I would hope it wouldn't be hard to get an exception | 15:06 |
| edleafe | bauzas: :) | 15:07 |
| bauzas | I'm a little worried about jaypipes's one but that sounds also feasible for getting an exception | 15:07 |
| edleafe | n0ano: yeah, it was held back waiting for bauzas spec to get approved | 15:07 |
| bauzas | are we in Spec freeze now, aren't we ? | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | I guess it should be done soon in Januaru | 15:07 |
| n0ano | bauzas, theoretically but the whole spec freeze & exception process is very opaque to me | 15:08 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: yeah, not sure either | 15:08 |
| edleafe | n0ano: figured that we should add it to the next nova meeting agenda | 15:08 |
| bauzas | edleafe: the next one is on Jan 9th | 15:09 |
| bauzas | 1400 UTC | 15:09 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I'm thinking a lot of people will be in the same position, it's just unfortunate that we have to wait for so long | 15:09 |
| bauzas | so I guess spec freeze should be announced there | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | we'll ask for clarity on the freeze & exception rules at that time | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I think there is a really good improvement since Juno | 15:10 |
| edleafe | n0ano: we can bring it up on IRC after Jan 1, and if not resolved, add it to the meeting | 15:10 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 15:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: are you really wanting to enjoy the New Year in the IRC channel ? | 15:11 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:11 |
| n0ano | I interpret `after` as a loose definition :-) | 15:11 |
| * bauzas seriously envisaging to write a bot to say "Happy New Year" for any people pinging him | 15:11 | |
| edleafe | n0ano: the stress was on the *after* part :) | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | hmm, xchat messed up my snarky comment, oh well | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | anyway, anything else we want to discuss | 15:13 |
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| edleafe | I think it's time to let bauzas start his vacation | 15:14 |
| n0ano | OK, I think I will offically cancel next weeks meeting and we can pick up again on 1/6 | 15:14 |
| n0ano | have a great holiday everyone and we'll talk agin next year | 15:14 |
| bauzas | sure thing | 15:14 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 23 15:14:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:14 |
| edleafe | happy everything, everybody! | 15:14 |
| alex_xu | yea, enjoy holiday everyone | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-12-23-15.00.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-12-23-15.00.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-12-23-15.00.log.html | 15:15 |
| alex_xu | also sleep early today | 15:15 |
| n0ano | alex_xu, and even earlier next week :-) | 15:15 |
| alex_xu | n0ano, yes :) | 15:15 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: the resource-objects one is just waiting on reviews from nova-drivers people. | 15:27 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed, that's what I said :) | 15:27 |
| bauzas | wasn't I clear ? | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sorry, went for coffee and just reading back :) | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | (16:05:44) bauzas: anyway, it seems most of the cores are on vacation, so that should be tight to get 2x +2s from nova-drivers during that non-official freeze period | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | and then | 15:28 |
| bauzas | (16:07:28) bauzas: I'm a little worried about jaypipes's one but that sounds also feasible for getting an exception | 15:28 |
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| jaypipes | yes. I read the second but not the first :) | 15:28 |
| bauzas | meaning that I'm really not sure that you could get approval before the freeze - which I suspect to happen on Jan 9th or soon after | 15:29 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:29 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | boris-42: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 23 17:02:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | hey hey ho | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | somebody around? | 17:02 |
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| oanufriev | yo | 17:02 |
| olkonami | hi | 17:02 |
| andreykurilin | hi | 17:03 |
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| rvasilets | Good evening | 17:03 |
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| msdubov_ | Hi! | 17:05 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | redixin: around? | 17:05 |
| redixin | boris-42, yep | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | #Mirantis Rally CI | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | #topic Mirnatis Rally CI | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: could you please provide some update about current state of work | 17:06 |
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| redixin | currently we have unittests foy py26 and cli tests vs MOS-5.1 on RallyCI | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | redixin: btw where is specified task that is run against MOS-5.1? | 17:08 |
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| redixin | tox -ecli is run against MOS | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: ah so our functional tests | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | redixin: btw can you make a job that runs tasks (I mean like gate-dsvm-rally-*) | 17:08 |
| redixin | also job for testing fockerfile is done, but not working -_- | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: lol | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: any chance that get it working? | 17:09 |
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| redixin | some strange issues with sqlalchemy versions | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: hm interesting | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: I rembmeber something related to sqlalchmey and ubuntu | 17:09 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: it seems to me, I saw such error | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: we have few questions | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: in answersw.launchapd.net | 17:09 |
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| redixin | boris-42, which questions? | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: somebody wasn't able to install rally | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | redixin: cause of issues with sqlalchemy on ubuntu | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | redixin: seems like you are facing the same | 17:11 |
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| redixin | boris-42, ok, Ill try to find it | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: okay I am looking forward to get this done | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so we will be able to merge dockerfile and keep it working* | 17:12 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141894/1 | 17:12 |
| andreykurilin | it seems that problem in setuptools | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Fix the world | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143687/ this fixed our gates | 17:13 |
| andreykurilin | +2 from me | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin it's latest version. I removed copy pasted code, add filter for plugins (so we don't tests in tests. descibed plugins) | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin as well now it shows full name of obj | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | #topic py34 compability | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: could you provide update about stuff related to it? | 17:14 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: sure | 17:14 |
| andreykurilin | last week we start to fix issues related to py3 compatibility | 17:15 |
| redixin | oh, I saw a lot of bugs reported on launchpad about py34 incompatibles | 17:15 |
| andreykurilin | yes) | 17:15 |
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| andreykurilin | and list of bugs related to py3k are not full in launchpad | 17:16 |
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| andreykurilin | but we already have some promotions | 17:16 |
| redixin | mb we should create one bug "rally is not py34 compatible"? | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: nope | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | redixin: cause various people can work on various issues | 17:17 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: imo, one bug per each issue is more user friendly) | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | redixin: and they can organize they work better | 17:17 |
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| redixin | i thought it may be fixed by one person in one day | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: seems like there is a lot of issues | 17:17 |
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| andreykurilin | updates of this work are: | 17:18 |
| andreykurilin | 1) we found the bug in sqlalchemy and fix it localy | 17:18 |
| andreykurilin | 2) fix issues related to iteritems | 17:19 |
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| andreykurilin | also, fix for StringIO and basestring are sent for review | 17:19 |
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| andreykurilin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143585/ | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin btw we will need to run "rally using python3" | 17:19 |
| andreykurilin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143584/ | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | I have some ideas | 17:19 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42 ? | 17:20 |
| andreykurilin | what ideas&) | 17:20 |
| andreykurilin | ?) | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Improve performance jobs | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin I would like to have suffixes in files | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | rally_py34_keystonev3 | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | rally_py34_keystonev3.yaml | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | will use rally-gate-dsvm-rally job | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | will be used by* | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | and run if it is specified | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | so 1 our job can run N files | 17:21 |
| redixin | rally_{python_version}_{keystone_version}.yaml? | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | rally_[{any_from_hardcoded_keys}] | 17:21 |
| redixin | how to parse it? | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | so just split by _ | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | first is file name | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | all others are keys | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | and we will have set of set of keys that we are supporitng | 17:22 |
| redixin | ok | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | redixin: this can be done without touching infra | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | redixin: just fixing ci/* | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: can help with formating HTML page for that | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ^ | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | redixin: thougths? | 17:23 |
| amaretskiy | i can help with html | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so the idea is that HTML should use some dirty ajax checks | 17:24 |
| amaretskiy | yes, i remember we discussed that | 17:24 |
| amaretskiy | i'm going to fix that | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: in this case we will have N different reports* | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ^ | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: not 1 | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: we were discussing about cheking "logs" | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: but we can use similiar approach here | 17:25 |
| amaretskiy | okay, understood | 17:25 |
| redixin | do you want to request /logs/report1.html, /logs/report2.html and so on, until we get 404? | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ok great | 17:26 |
| amaretskiy | the approach is dirty but there is probably no another way | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep there is no other way | 17:26 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep we will check all files* | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | redixin: but they will called different | 17:26 |
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| redixin | actually we can put results.list.txt with list of available reports | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | redixin: not 1,2,3,4 but report_py34, report_keystonessl | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | and so on | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep we can | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | redixin: actually this is better way | 17:27 |
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| redixin | we can even add some desctiptions to this list, and parse it with js in browser | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep yep | 17:28 |
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| andreykurilin | redixin: good idea | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so can you implement this soon? | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: seems like requires a bit bash* | 17:29 |
| redixin | boris-42, I can start this tomorrow, after fixing dockerfile job | 17:29 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: "a bit" :D | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ok great | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | redixin: cause it drastically improves ability of our gates | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Greatest Validation Refactoring | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin amaretskiy msdubov_ soon guys you'll have to review a lot of my code=) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | Let me try to introduce you what I am going to do | 17:32 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: one patch with 100500 LOC again?) | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: no 10 patches with 100500 LOC | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: in chain=) | 17:32 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | 1) put in all validators deployment instead of Task | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | this will allow us to run validations methods without creating Task | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | 2) add validation levels (depending on mode, validator will be different processed) | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | e.g. it can be performed for all users, 1 user, 1 user per tenant, admin and so on | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | or be just static | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | like cheking that required fileds are specified | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | This will be huge patch | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | 3) Unify validation process between all plugins | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | so we will use always decorators everywhere | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | context, scenarios, runners, sla... | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | 4) Make a jsonschema validator (instead of this stuff with "required_field" and number and so on) | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | So after we implement all this stuff and merge it | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | We will be able to use "existing users" for benchmarking without admin | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: redixin andreykurilin msdubov_ ^ | 17:36 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: sounds good, but we need a code:) | 17:36 |
| redixin | ok | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | ok | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Adding deployment information to rally task report | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ^ | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | We can collect all infromation about cloud (like what components we have, what services we are running, hypervisors and so on) | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | and put it in report | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin ^ | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | sounds good, but i think i did not see that in road map.... | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it is new requred | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | request | 17:38 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy, we can put it there:) | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | sounds very good | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I didn't have a chance to add it | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | i'm ready :) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: but I will | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so put it to your notes | 17:39 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: but please first provide fixes for current report that you have in notes | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: especially with displaying erros on graphs | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | okay | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | #topic FREE discussion | 17:39 |
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| amaretskiy | there is a big list of notes :) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | anybody wants to discuss antyhing?) | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I have a question about collection of cloud information | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: sure | 17:40 |
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| amaretskiy | let's discuss "abstract classes are evil in most cases for rally" | 17:40 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: do you propose to collect it during task launch and store it there, ot have a one infor for deployment? | 17:41 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: why you think so?) | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I belive that it should be "rally deployment create" | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so we will store this info in Deployment table | 17:42 |
| amaretskiy | 1) can not check arguments 2) no hooks 3) no tests | 17:42 |
| amaretskiy | my proposal is "duck typing way" | 17:42 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: but what will happened if clound structure will change? user will not change deployment config, because credentials are left the same | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: hm yep you are right | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: but collecting on every run can produce various issues... | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: maybe we need to add some argument to "task"? | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: rally task start --with-deployment-info | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ? | 17:45 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: hm..yeah, it can fix the issues | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: but it adds new arugment that suxx | 17:45 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: or we can check the structure before launching task and if it changed-change info in deployment object | 17:46 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: 2-3) what tests and hooks do you want?) | 17:47 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/96/rally/benchmark/wrappers/network.py,cm | 17:49 |
| amaretskiy | and consider how to test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/96/rally/benchmark/wrappers/network.py,cm | 17:49 |
| amaretskiy | at least how to do this in good manner | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I agree with amaretskiy | 17:49 |
| amaretskiy | and now take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/89/rally/benchmark/services/network.py,cm | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | That testing abstract class is some kind of hell | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | see this - we verify arguments | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | and we can put hooks | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | if we want hooks | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | so duck typing is no extra code but a lot of extra flexoibility + tests | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | *flexibility | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | but | 17:51 |
| amaretskiy | we can use abc | 17:51 |
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| amaretskiy | if we provide some classes to user implementation | 17:51 |
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| amaretskiy | but users usually do not implement something out of our code base | 17:51 |
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| amaretskiy | usually we create few classes and review them via gerrit | 17:52 |
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| amaretskiy | and duck typing also checks the implementation | 17:53 |
| amaretskiy | so, what do you think? | 17:53 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy, boris-42: If our abstarct class is not huge, I don't see any problems with testing it, just create FakeImplementaionOfOurClass and test it | 17:53 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: this way is real but huge - why do we need it? | 17:53 |
| amaretskiy | andreykurilin just try to really test each abstract method | 17:54 |
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| amaretskiy | and you will se a number of LOC | 17:54 |
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| amaretskiy | abstract classes even not a language item - that is an extra feature provided by module | 17:55 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: imo, if we implement some FakeImplementation, we can check every method of original abstract class. if we don't use abstarct class(use implementation from 89 patch set), we cannot test methods which launch unexisten methods | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: amaretskiy there is only one issue without abstracclasses | 17:56 |
| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: what if FakeImplementation will implement non-abstarct methods? | 17:56 |
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| amaretskiy | how we will check that? | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: amaretskiy we need to ensure that we implemented extactly "interface" method | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: amaretskiy without typos | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | otherwise it's hell | 17:57 |
| amaretskiy | and what about hooks? | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin | do we need it now?) | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: you mean call _method? | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: yes | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ^ | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: andreykurilin looks dirty | 17:58 |
| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/89/rally/benchmark/services/network.py,cm | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | but fix situtation | 17:58 |
| amaretskiy | if we put something between L59-60 | 17:58 |
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| amaretskiy | and after 60 (move return) | 17:59 |
| andreykurilin | amaretski: we can do it, when we will need it | 17:59 |
| amaretskiy | so we have a wrapper | 17:59 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: id need: 1) abc - reimplementation 2) ducktyping: ready | 17:59 |
| * morganfainberg waves at boris-42 | 17:59 | |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: andreykurilin let's continue discussion | 17:59 |
| amaretskiy | s/id/if/ | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | in rally | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Load testing (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 23 18:00:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-12-23-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| andreykurilin | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-12-23-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-12-23-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | morganfainberg hihihi | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samuelms, htruta, amolock | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Oyez Oyez | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | It's that time again! | 18:00 |
| rharwood | 'allo | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | Last time for e year. | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | Ooh need to ask jeblair to fix the topic before infra meeting. I think. | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 23 18:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | So I expect this meeting to be fairly quick today (I hope) and we can wish everyone happy holidays :) | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | was not expecting a meeting this week lol | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #info no keystone meeting after this one until next year | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #topc assignment split | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | #topic assignment split | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | Hmm Henry isn't here. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | he's making commits | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | Yeah I know he's around. Just not in the channel. | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:05 |
| ayoung | See topic henrynash | 18:05 |
| henrynash | sorry am late | 18:05 |
| henrynash | give me 2 mins (sorry extracting myself out ofother meeting) | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | Ok so Henry has the only topics on the agenda today. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | Anything else while we wait for him? | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | I have some ae token questions if we absolutely *have* to make the meeting go longer ;) | 18:06 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: that's definitely not the goal | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | lol | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | We can move to that if they should be brought up in the meeting | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | But I don't *want* to force the meeting to be longer | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | that's fine with me, I'll iterate in the spec | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | Ok. | 18:07 |
| ayoung | I'd like to | 18:07 |
| henrynash | ok, reay | 18:07 |
| ayoung | AE is important | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | if it's still a hangup next week, I'll add to the meeting agenda | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: ok. | 18:07 |
| henrynash | so two questions on the assignment split | 18:07 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: next meeting is jan 6th | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | s/next week/next meeting/ | 18:08 |
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| henrynash | 1) shoudl role management be in their own backend….and not part of the actual assignment engine? | 18:09 |
| henrynash | different views on this…from people | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | and? | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: review the benefits & reasons of each side of the argument? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | reasoning* | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: ^^ as Dolph said. | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | I was typing something similar and he beat me to it | 18:11 |
| stevemar | i was not expecting this meeting | 18:11 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: no body expects the Keystone meeting </Monty Python reference> | 18:12 |
| ayoung | Start Again | 18:12 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:13 |
| ayoung | OK so roles and assignments ..... different life cycles | 18:13 |
| ayoung | I could see Roles being read only, and assignments consuming them | 18:13 |
| henrynash | There are various proposals for what component should own role management (e.g. as aprt of service defintion) and maybe not even be first class entities.... | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ….but that all points for the them to NOT be i the actual assignment engine | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | I could see roles being read in from a flat file for that matter | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: liiike from policy.json | 18:14 |
| henrynash | and I wrote a same alternate assignment engine to test out that view, see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143557 | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, potentially | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | then we don't need a role backend, right? | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | I could see policy and roles being unified | 18:14 |
| amakarov | ayoung, ++ | 18:14 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: well, the backend could populate itself from a file, or from a db as we do today, or whatever | 18:15 |
| henrynash | I think potentially we don’t need a role backend in teh future…but for now having them parked in their own lets us migrate them away when we want in the futre | 18:15 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i agree with that | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | that makes sense | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | so I guess we wouldn't *absolutely* need a role backend for Keystone | 18:15 |
| amakarov | lbragstad, we always can add it if needed | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | My opinion hasn't really changed but I do agree splitting it now does let us migrate away as we see fit. | 18:17 |
| henrynash | so the patch has roles in their own backend (under the assignments umbrella)…so separatd from teh assignments engine itself | 18:17 |
| henrynash | if we are OK with that, then great! | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | But- I am willing to go with the consensus of the rest of the dev team here. | 18:17 |
| ayoung | I think it makes sense | 18:18 |
| ayoung | I think we can work with it in the future from a policy side of things | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: I am going to need to ask you to split that review up though. It is too beastly to review as it sits. Sorry. | 18:18 |
| ayoung | roles will feed in to policy, but can be separate backends | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | Regardless of the direction of role backend. | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | and then, do we want to take a vote on naming the backend for projects and domains to live in? | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | Ok so the two options here are: roles in a separate backend under new assignment. Or as a direct part of the new assignment. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I could see the argument that Roles belong with the domain, | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: sure? | 18:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: having them in a separate backend can satisfy that as well | 18:21 |
| ayoung | dolphm, agreed | 18:21 |
| raildo | dolphm, i agree | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | can we call it 'extras'? | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad: haha | 18:22 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, just remember that we are all meeting face to face shortly | 18:22 |
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| raildo | I think that roles in a separate backend sounds good to connect to domains in the Reseller implementation :) | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | Is anyone opposed to the roles being separate? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | As Henry described. | 18:23 |
| dolphm | #vote no | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | nope | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | Speak up now or forever hold your peace | 18:24 |
| raildo | ayoung, haha | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | I don't know the #startvote syntax but few more seconds and we will call the design ok. | 18:24 |
| dolphm | #startvote Should roles be in a separate backend? yes, nope | 18:25 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | like that | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | #startvote Should roles be in a separate backend? yes, nope | 18:25 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should roles be in a separate backend? Valid vote options are yes, nope. | 18:25 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | #vote yes | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #vote no | 18:25 |
| openstack | lbragstad: no is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, nope. | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | oops | 18:25 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: you started it | 18:25 |
| raildo | #vote yes | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: read the question too :P | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | #vote yes | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | Dolph inverted it :P | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | i did. only your last vote counts, if you'd like to change your answer | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | switching formats | 18:26 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:26 |
| * morganfainberg abstains. | 18:26 | |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, why> | 18:26 |
| ayoung | ? | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, nope. | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | abstaining counts | 18:26 |
| henrynash | sorry lost connection | 18:26 |
| henrynash | what was the vote question? | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | Begin voting on: Should roles be in a separate backend? Valid vote options are yes, nope. | 18:27 |
| stevemar | henrynash, "Should roles be in a separate backend? Valid vote options are yes, nope." | 18:27 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:27 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:27 |
| openstack | yes (5): henrynash, lbragstad, dolphm, raildo, ayoung | 18:27 |
| dolphm | that's pretty unanimous | 18:27 |
| stevemar | #vote yes | 18:27 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: #endvote when you're ready | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: I've abstained from a negative score (or positive) in this process because I am willing to go with the consensus. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:27 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should roles be in a separate backend?" Results are | 18:27 |
| openstack | yes (6): lbragstad, ayoung, dolphm, henrynash, raildo, stevemar | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: your design wins :) | 18:28 |
| henrynash | :-) | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: now split the review up so its reviewable :P | 18:28 |
| henrynash | ok, eill try!!! :-) | 18:28 |
| ayoung | thanks henry | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | As it stands I can only negative score it because it's too much at once. | 18:28 |
| * lbragstad thinks unanimous votes should result in openstack saying 'fatality!' | 18:29 | |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: but thanks for working through this - | 18:29 |
| henrynash | on tehe subject of what we call the place where projects/domains are | 18:29 |
| henrynash | did we vote on that while I lost connection? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | henrynash: no | 18:29 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: np | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | No. | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | the two suggestions are resources and projects right now - does anyone else have another proposal? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | so the vote would be like: | 18:30 |
| dolphm | What should the backend for projects and domains be called? resources, projects | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | So who has an issue with the current name? And also "hardest two thing in CS". | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | Any other suggestions before we start the vote? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | projects | 18:31 |
| raildo | tenants? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote What should the backend for projects and domains be called? Resources, Projects | 18:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What should the backend for projects and domains be called? Valid vote options are Resources, Projects. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | #vote tenants | 18:31 |
| openstack | ayoung: tenants is not a valid option. Valid options are Resources, Projects. | 18:31 |
| dolphm | #startvote Projects | 18:31 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | raildo: veto. | 18:31 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, :( | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #vote resources | 18:31 |
| ayoung | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| amakarov | #vote Projects | 18:32 |
| henrynash | #vote resources | 18:32 |
| dstanek | #vote resources | 18:32 |
| raildo | #vote resources | 18:32 |
| ayoung | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| ayoung | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| ayoung | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| ayoung | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:32 |
| openstack | Projects (2): amakarov, ayoung | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: ballot stuffing doesn't work | 18:32 |
| openstack | Resources (4): henrynash, dstanek, raildo, morganfainberg | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: ? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | #vote projects | 18:32 |
| * morganfainberg prods stevemar | 18:33 | |
| ayoung | Anything I can do to convince you guys to switch your vote? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ^ | 18:33 |
| ayoung | we are talking about getting rid of the domain table | 18:33 |
| dolphm | dstanek: oh you voted, i'm blind | 18:33 |
| dstanek | dolphm: :-) | 18:33 |
| ayoung | if we do that...projects makes much more sense | 18:33 |
| stevemar | #vote resources | 18:33 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ^ | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: I vote resources because it is likely to expand beyond projects in the future. | 18:33 |
| ayoung | GAH! | 18:33 |
| stevemar | but bknudson had comments about it | 18:33 |
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| amakarov | almost anything may be called resource | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | And another rename is bad if we can avoid it. | 18:34 |
| dolphm | stevemar: know which he preferred? i assume he's afk | 18:34 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the palantir you are looking in has been corrupted | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, he hated them all | 18:34 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: you must construct additional pylons. | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is what Sauron said to Saruman | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | I'd be open to something else. (I actually like tenant, but the community would lynch us) | 18:34 |
| ayoung | watch out for Ents | 18:34 |
| dolphm | the backend won't house all the resources in openstack, it houses the containers that define tenancy for openstack: projects. | 18:35 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, ++ i'm against getting lynched | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | Seriously if I thought we could get away with it I'd go back to tenant. I **hate** project. | 18:35 |
| stevemar | it's not going to be a user facing concept, it's what we call our backend, that backend can house projects/domain/blah | 18:35 |
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| raildo | stevemar, so this a container of resources, not just projects :P | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | no, projects are containers for resources | 18:36 |
| amakarov | what does the project/tenant do exactly? We can find a correct name this way | 18:36 |
| dolphm | stevemar: yeah, but many of our users are deployers | 18:36 |
| ayoung | projects and domains are namespaces | 18:36 |
| dolphm | stevemar: so, consider the UX impact on them | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | So, in this case I am inclined to follow henrynash's lead on naming. I do agree with bknudson that all suck | 18:37 |
| raildo | ayoung, right | 18:37 |
| ayoung | projects sucks less | 18:37 |
| amakarov | ayoung, why not name it namespaces? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | And tenant sucks even less :P | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: another overloaded term. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | and I could totally see splitting projects and domains into two backends | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | Massively overloaded. | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | in which case we'd put domains into their own backend, and leave projects here | 18:37 |
| breton | #vote resources | 18:38 |
| dolphm | (i don't know that all services use tenancy to define namespacing?) | 18:38 |
| breton | # not sure I'm not late | 18:38 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:38 |
| openstack | Projects (3): amakarov, dolphm, ayoung | 18:38 |
| openstack | Resources (6): dstanek, morganfainberg, henrynash, raildo, breton, stevemar | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: they don't. But they could. | 18:38 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg, ++ but more detailed understanding of what it does can lead us to more informative name | 18:38 |
| henrynash | (sorry my connectivety is on teh blink..back) | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: swift doesn't, but anyone else either uses projects or not at all afaik | 18:38 |
| stevemar | ugh bknudson is gonna hunt me down for proposing that name | 18:39 |
| dolphm | /v4/namespaces | 18:39 |
| henrynash | sorry, what was the result | 18:39 |
| ayoung | /v6/termie | 18:39 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:39 |
| openstack | Projects (3): amakarov, dolphm, ayoung | 18:39 |
| openstack | Resources (6): dstanek, morganfainberg, henrynash, raildo, breton, stevemar | 18:39 |
| dolphm | henrynash: vote has not ended yet ^ | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: *sigh* nooooooooooooooooo /darthvader | 18:39 |
| stevemar | henrynash, we should all chip in and get you a better connection | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:40 |
| openstack | Voted on "What should the backend for projects and domains be called?" Results are | 18:40 |
| openstack | Projects (3): amakarov, dolphm, ayoung | 18:40 |
| openstack | Resources (6): dstanek, morganfainberg, henrynash, raildo, breton, stevemar | 18:40 |
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| henrynash | (have to pay Mr Marriott) | 18:40 |
| dolphm | so keystone will now have a resource backend | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | #info name is still in question. No options are good but resources tends to lead of the two proposed. | 18:40 |
| stevemar | it makes sense to me, that an identity has a role assignment on a resource | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: needs to split up the review. Please consider other names for the backend. | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | I feel like we use the term resource to define anything owned by keystone | 18:41 |
| dstanek | how many different backend impls will we have to start? | 18:41 |
| amakarov | we can try an allegory :) | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | which could be confusing down the road | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | amakarov: let's go with analogy. And make it about cars. | 18:41 |
| dstanek | if we only have one then no need to expose the name and we can delay the decision on the name | 18:41 |
| amakarov | smth like hub or hive or unit | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: ++ | 18:42 |
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| amakarov | morganfainberg, is unit about cars? ) | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | Ok let's move on. The name is still open for discussion. | 18:42 |
| ayoung | heh | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | Please discuss wth henrynash for better names. If no others come up resources it will be b | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | E | 18:43 |
| ayoung | on a slightly related note...I'm working on making every project be a domain | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | Next topic. | 18:43 |
| ayoung | I'll just assume this needs to be rebased on top of henrynash 's redone patch | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | #topic domain roles | 18:43 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash: o/ (again) :) | 18:43 |
| ayoung | OK...so I think roles here mean something different than we've been using them to mean | 18:44 |
| henrynash | ok, so the question here is whether we trat domain-roles as a different sort of entity than a role, in terms of API | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | Good question. | 18:44 |
| henrynash | there is a proposed API spec (thanks to samuel) | 18:44 |
| ayoung | lets say that our existing term "role" is really "collection of capabilties" | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | I see this as more of the VO concept. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | and role really should be a role in an organization | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | Not the current capabilities of OpenStack. | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | But that is my understanding here. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | does "capabilities" have an official meaning in OpenStack? | 18:45 |
| ayoung | I can be more specific | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | Well, as we defined it talking about policy it does ;) | 18:45 |
| henrynash | so my view is they are different entities…..our curent “role” is tied to teh service capabiities, while teh “domain-role” is something meaningful to the domain/enterprise, | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | I think we (keystone) are driving that definition. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | agreed | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | And I like that definition. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | the one issue is that we are enforcing role<->capaility inside policy | 18:46 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg has there been any input from other interested parties? | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | domain scoped roles are supposed to be private | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek: no dissent, most people are going with it. | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: but I also didn't ask, we just asserted the definition. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | as such, a Domain Scoped Role (DSR) is an alias to the current Keystone role, or, potentially, set of roles | 18:47 |
| henrynash | …and I think overloading the current role & grant APIs might make things more complicated as we poentially chaneg teh defintion of what teh udnerlying roles aer | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | Figured I could ask forgiveness later if needed | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | Is there a better term for what we currently call roles? | 18:48 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: they probably ARE capabilities….and we are jsut allowing service owners to define some meta-capabilties (like admin) | 18:48 |
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| amakarov | henrynash, or permissions | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | amakarov, I'd say those are even more fine grained | 18:49 |
| ayoung | like "read, write, execute" on an object are permissions | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: bags of mostly capabilities (/Star Trek reference) | 18:50 |
| henrynash | ayoung: but I see us gradually migrating teh existing roles to be more like that over time…and maybe we do chaneg their name at some point (I’d say the time they stop bring first class entites) | 18:50 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | I would say "read, write, and execute" are more operations | 18:50 |
| ayoung | henrynash, DSR assignments are still going to be scoped to a project, correct? | 18:50 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes | 18:50 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i don't think "roles are capabilities", if that's what you were referring to above | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: sure. But the api is more complex than r/w/e. Unlike posix. | 18:51 |
| ayoung | henrynash, could we call them aliases, then? | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: so, I think capability is better. | 18:51 |
| henrynash | dolphm: they’re not today…but I think that’s what they become | 18:51 |
| ayoung | Domains allow aliases to Keystone roles? | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: someone vetoed alias at the summit with an "oh god please no" | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | although you could probably breakdown all of openstack policy into r/w permissions on <thing> | 18:51 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, RoleAliases | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | capability vs. permission | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: better. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | But still confusing. | 18:52 |
| henrynash | ayoung: well it’s more than aliases…since the domain-roles can be a colleciton of roles (or other domain-roles) | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, so, lets not do that | 18:52 |
| henrynash | ayoung: do what? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | lets push for hierarchical roles, and then domains get aliases | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: you know... | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | I think we really need the hierarchical roles to organizat this stuff | 18:53 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: ok, so that’s not what we agreed at tehe summit…domain-roles can be collectins of roles and we expand them out at token creation time (for example) | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: correct. | 18:53 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I know, but at the summit the Hierarchical idea was just getting formed, too | 18:53 |
| henrynash | ayoung: and that’s what the spec says: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133855/9 | 18:54 |
| ayoung | So what. | 18:54 |
| amakarov | if we have hierarchical roles on hierarchical projects, do we need separate DSR and domains at all? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | This is design work | 18:54 |
| ayoung | its supposed to be iterative | 18:54 |
| ayoung | amakarov, yes, we do | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: there are two concepts so we need two differing things. | 18:54 |
| dolphm | 5 minutes | 18:55 |
| ayoung | henrynash, OK, take a step back | 18:55 |
| henrynash | ayoung: if we don’t let domain_roles be a collection, then we restrict how the domain admin can “create domain-roles that are meangingfiul to them”…and that’s teh point of them | 18:55 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: ayoung : so we have the VO concept Henry was just describing (org wise role) and the openstack role cascade/hierarchy | 18:55 |
| raildo | amakarov, hierarchical projects will use domain roles/hierarchical roles | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lets assume for a moment that we had hierarchical roles today. Would you still push for one DSR apping to multiple hierarchical? | 18:55 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes | 18:55 |
| ayoung | OK...so..what if we merge those two things, then | 18:56 |
| ayoung | we create a new thing...a role collection | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: thx | 18:56 |
| henrynash | ayoung: because why would teh hierachy created by teh service owner match what I want in my domain? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | and DSRs use them, and Roles use them | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: (this sounds like what we described at the summit btw) | 18:56 |
| henrynash | ayoung: (which is why I called them role-groups to start!) | 18:56 |
| ayoung | anyone can create a role collection, or reuse one | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | Almost to the letter. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | a role collection is unnamed | 18:57 |
| ayoung | and immutable | 18:57 |
| ayoung | hierarchical roles will use them, too | 18:57 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg, ++ since we have user groups, why not having role groups? | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | Minor differences but t really is almost to the letter what we decided. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | except that role-groups and domain scoped roles are two separate things | 18:58 |
| ayoung | I think we had them munged into one before | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: this is a logical merging of the constructs. | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: not really we just didn't have the intermediate step defined | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | It wasn't hard set as needing to be one concept. | 18:58 |
| ayoung | domain scoped roles are the private name for a role-group | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | Ok we need to take this to -keystone | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | But this sounds like we're headed the rift way. | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 23 18:59:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-23-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-23-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-12-23-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair: fungi might want to fix channel topic. | 18:59 |
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| fungi | ahh, yep | 19:01 |
| fungi | fixing now | 19:01 |
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| fungi | fixed | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
| sweston | o/ | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | anyone else? | 19:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: should be around | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I am here | 19:03 |
| anteaya | there you are | 19:03 |
| jhesketh | o/ | 19:03 |
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| asselin | hi | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 23 19:03:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Meeting schedule | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | so.... normally we follow the lead of the other general project meetings (eg, tc and cross-project) and cancel on those dates... | 19:04 |
| jeblair | but that kind of snuck up on me and i forgot to bring it up last meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | heh | 19:05 |
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| anteaya | I second the motion ot cancel next weeks meeting | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so to avoid having two meetings where we know lots of people won't be here.... | 19:05 |
| fungi | is tc meeting also cancelled today then? i saw the announcement for cross-project | 19:05 |
| jeblair | i'd suggest we cancel next weeks, and be sort of informal about this one | 19:06 |
| anteaya | yes it went to the tc list | 19:06 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: wfm | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 19:06 |
| fungi | i expect to be around next tuesday, but will likely be holding down the fort in irc so i'm fine with no meeting | 19:06 |
| jeblair | #agreed cancel dec 30 infra meeting | 19:06 |
| anteaya | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-December/000908.html | 19:06 |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | sounds good | 19:06 |
| fungi | heh | 19:06 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | I did add an agenda item this week about where we land 3rd party CI documentation | 19:07 |
| clarkb | my only thing is I will be rebuilding slave images shortly so that we fix this pbr freeze bug | 19:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fwiw in Russia Jan 1-11 are holidays, so, /me will be mostly unavailable | 19:07 |
| fungi | how 'bout that pep 440? | 19:07 |
| anteaya | I would like to hear from jhesketh as he did get up for this | 19:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | jaypipes has volunteered to write the documentation in .rst format, but he needs to know where to land it | 19:07 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think you deserve a few days off now :) | 19:07 |
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| fungi | clarkb: maybe i'll take thursday off | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | anteaya: for what sorry? | 19:08 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ++ | 19:08 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: swift logs | 19:08 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: are logs logging? | 19:08 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:08 |
| anteaya | SergeyLukjanov: thanks for letting us know | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: how about it! :) | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | Ah, seems like we're discussing 3rd party docs first | 19:09 |
| jeblair | fungi: pep440/pip/pbr/etc is a good thing to talk about, actually... | 19:09 |
| jeblair | let's talk about that for a minute | 19:09 |
| jeblair | because it's something some of us may need to continue dealing with over the holidays | 19:09 |
| fungi | it's mostly (entirely? knock on wood) resolved at this point | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: is the pbr freeze thing causing actual errors, or just not working as intended? | 19:10 |
| clarkb | I am personally interested in a recap of yesterday as I was mostly caught up until then | 19:10 |
| fungi | i think the only lingering issues are we haven't built new nodepool images without the setuptools <8 cap in install_puppet.sh | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jeblair: its actually causing errors | 19:10 |
| anteaya | I was here and would appreciate a recap | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jeblair: jobs are failing due to the check >0 tests run check | 19:10 |
| fungi | ahh, right, pbr freeze got implemented in the slave scripts incorrectly | 19:10 |
| fungi | i approved clarkb's fix just now | 19:10 |
| fungi | i'm guessing the change adding it ended up merging after yesterday's images built | 19:11 |
| fungi | so we didn't see the issue until today after we got new images | 19:11 |
| fungi | mostly pip 6.0 release was uneventful | 19:11 |
| anteaya | yes I do believe I approved it yesterday midday sometime | 19:11 |
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| fungi | it pointed out one pep 440 issue we missed in devstack, which required an icehouse->juno->master series to fix | 19:12 |
| jeblair | so since we're going to be in and out and flying and driving around, etc, perhaps if anything further comes up, we should make an etherpad and stick the link in the channel topic so we can keep up to date on what's broken and needs reviewing, etc. | 19:12 |
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| fungi | but aside from that it was mostly finding regressions in pip 6.0 and pointing them out so that they would get fixed in 6.0.1 | 19:12 |
| fungi | which they did | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | +1 | 19:12 |
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| fungi | oh, other lingering item is that some projects may not have yet merged their reqs sync patches to fix the setuptools entry | 19:13 |
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| fungi | one of the tripleo jobs was struggling with ceilometer this morning for that reason | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | s/setuptools/sqlalchemy/? | 19:14 |
| fungi | s/setuptools/sqlalchemy/ | 19:14 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:14 |
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| fungi | so anyway, i think things are likely to be quiet on the pep 440 front from this point forward | 19:15 |
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| fungi | pip 6 was the big unknown until yesterday | 19:15 |
| fungi | and all the pbr fixes outstanding have merged in the past few hours | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: did pip 6 have the single regression? | 19:15 |
| fungi | clarkb: there were a couple regressions with it which bit us | 19:16 |
| clarkb | whcih was don't copy VCS dirs because speed | 19:16 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, that was one | 19:16 |
| fungi | another was failing to make scripts executable when building wheels | 19:16 |
| fungi | we had quite a few jobs failing on "permission denied" in various places because of that | 19:17 |
| fungi | oh, also we had to work around the fact that pip uses ~/.cache now | 19:17 |
| fungi | so sudo pip whatever was making a root-owned .cache in the calling user's homedir | 19:18 |
| fungi | sudo -H pip is preferred to avoid that | 19:18 |
| fungi | anyway, it was way fewer issues than we had to work around for setuptools 8 | 19:19 |
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| fungi | also, i'd like to see us finish whatever we need to be able to release pbr master so we can leave the feature/0.10 branch behind us | 19:20 |
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| fungi | there are a few random improvements hanging out in review for pbr master that have been there a while (since before setuptools 8) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: its the semver series which was mostly lifeless | 19:21 |
| clarkb | so we probably need someone to adopt that code if we want it to move forward in the near future | 19:21 |
| jeblair | clarkb: has lifeless abandoned that? | 19:21 |
| fungi | i think he just has other stuff going on, so temporarily abandoned maybe | 19:22 |
| fungi | i know he wants to finish it when he gets time | 19:22 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no he is just afk | 19:22 |
| fungi | it's basically usable now, but there may be one or two reported bugs to triage | 19:22 |
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| fungi | related to the semver-esque implementation details | 19:22 |
| fungi | anyway, that's all the updates for that topic i think | 19:24 |
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| fungi | takeaway is that we're fragile around python packaging, and i'm not sure there's a good answer other than try to help the python packaging devs with quick feedback | 19:24 |
| fungi | dstufft has been awesomely responsive, and has given us a heads up on releases too | 19:25 |
| zaro | would anyone like to continue to explore idea of upgrading gerrit? | 19:25 |
| fungi | zaro: you were going to look into upgrading review-dev next, right? | 19:26 |
| anteaya | dstufft has been fantastic | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | fungi: greghaynes and I were talking about it over brewing beer yesterday and we could run a periodic job that runs devstack/tempest with latest pip master | 19:26 |
| anteaya | zaro: and based on your email from last night it sounds like the only way to utilize the its-storyboard plugin you are working on upstream is to upgrade | 19:26 |
| zaro | anteaya: yes, that is correct. | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | fungi: maybe dstufft would "subscribe" to that? | 19:27 |
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| zaro | fungi: i kinda wanted to get an idea which version we were gonna target before testing. | 19:27 |
| anteaya | zaro: I thought we decided 2.9 and 2.10 isn't released | 19:27 |
| zaro | i think there was the idea of going to 2.10 ? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, that would be a good step. though even better would be if someone released a github or bitbucket trigger for zuul so we could trigger and report on pull requests | 19:27 |
| anteaya | zaro: 2.10 is an option? | 19:28 |
| fungi | clarkb: perhaps. assuming that they merge pull requests fairly continuously rather than right before releasing | 19:28 |
| zaro | 2.10 is what google uses, jeblair mentioned that. don't remember if he meant we should do same | 19:28 |
| fungi | and yeah, zuul trigger is the answer there | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | zaro: i think we got as far as thinking that we should at least work on 2.9 | 19:29 |
| jeblair | zaro: i think we may want to defer the conversation about whether to track upstream in a CD fashion until more people are around | 19:29 |
| zaro | also jeblair wanted to review the ssh problem | 19:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup long term I think we want a proper trigger but we should get a lot of value out of "pip stopped working today" | 19:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: espeically if someone like dstufft is able to watch that | 19:30 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: I have a bunch of zuul refactoring that needs reviewing but will hopefully make a github trigger easier | 19:30 |
| jeblair | yeah | 19:30 |
| zaro | jeblair: did you get a chance to read about the stream events issue? | 19:30 |
| jeblair | btw, does anyone want to review jhesketh's pep8 change to zuul? | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | i kind of feel like if people think it's important, they ought to review it. i do not think it is important, and yet i reviewed the first patchset and left 40 (not exaggerating) comments | 19:31 |
| zaro | i believe they have fixed in 2.9.3 | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115187/ | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | zaro: not yet | 19:34 |
| zaro | jhesketh: isn't there a hacking guideline for that change? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | ya if we go to latest stable gerrit that would be good | 19:35 |
| clarkb | then we can worry about CD gerrit when not time sunk into holidays | 19:35 |
| jhesketh | zaro: not sure? | 19:35 |
| anteaya | latest stable +1 | 19:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: for zuul you mean that if other reviewers are happy to review and approve the tox changes yo uare on board? | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: i have not had a chance to read up on that, but i think prepping for 2.9 doesn't have to wait | 19:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: or you reviewed it and feel even more strongly it shouldn't merge? | 19:35 |
| jhesketh | zaro: that's just to re-enable the broken pep8 job | 19:36 |
| zaro | jeblair: here's a similar change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133465 | 19:36 |
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| zaro | opps jhesketh ^ | 19:36 |
| jeblair | zaro: yeah, i'm pretty sure that jjb change durned of pep8 checks | 19:36 |
| jeblair | grr | 19:36 |
| jeblair | "turned off" | 19:36 |
| jeblair | or rather, would turn off, since it hasn't merged | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | I do have to say that hacking is one of the most frustrating things ever | 19:37 |
| clarkb | and am a huge vote in favor of ignoring H* in infra projects | 19:37 |
| jeblair | also, what the heck? | 19:38 |
| jeblair | i mean there is a comment that says "do not do what that jjb change does" | 19:38 |
| jeblair | and that jjb change does it and removes the comment | 19:38 |
| jhesketh | zaro: if you could leave a comment that'd be great | 19:38 |
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| zaro | ok. i'll start testing review-dev.o.o with Gerrit 2.9.3. I remember talking to someone in channel that got their system working with 2.9 | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | fwiw all of those broken hacking import jobs which can't work are being removed in the next release | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | s/jobs/checks/ | 19:39 |
| jeblair | zaro: i have left a -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133465/ | 19:39 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: its not just import ordering though its docstrings must end with punctuation. commit title must end in period. and so on | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | sigh, yeah a lot of those are annoying. Yell at jogo | 19:39 |
| fungi | period in docstring titles, and periodless in commit message titles | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | I was just looking at the review link | 19:40 |
| jeblair | clarkb: and what i meant about zuul and pep8 is that i have already spent more time than i would like reviewing whitespace changes. in doing so i found that the change was _much_ larger than needed. i think it would be great if someone else who is actually interested in whitespace enforcement review that change and ensure it is minimal. | 19:40 |
| clarkb | jeblair: gotcha | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | I can give it a go. In general normal pep8/pyflakes doesn't bother me | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: most of it doesn't bother me either. it's going _beyond_ pep8 that bothers me. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | ya E125 and friends | 19:43 |
| jeblair | zaro: so yeah, we don't use hacking at all in infra projects. | 19:44 |
| jeblair | zaro: there was an attempt to use it to check one thing in zuul. it massively backfired and reminded us why we don't use hacking in infra projects | 19:44 |
| jeblair | zaro: that's why we're having this conversation about getting zuul back into compliance with pep8 | 19:44 |
| jeblair | so i thought it was a bad idea before, and now i think it's a really, really, really bad idea. | 19:45 |
| zaro | why is it still on our wiki? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | zaro: what? | 19:45 |
| zaro | hacking guidlines | 19:45 |
| jeblair | zaro: link? | 19:45 |
| zaro | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | zaro: that's for the openstack project itself, not for openstack-infra | 19:46 |
| jeblair | zaro: there are quite a lot of guidelines for openstack that we do not adhere to | 19:46 |
| zaro | ahh, gotcha. | 19:46 |
| jeblair | notably, we work on code that isn't in python, have different CLA requirements, etc. | 19:47 |
| zaro | should probably include this disclaimer in the openstack-infra manual? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | with respect to hacking and the like, what works for 2000 developers working together isn't necessarily desirable for 10 | 19:48 |
| jeblair | zaro: maybe in the ci docs, but the infra-manual is for openstack developers, so that might be confusing | 19:48 |
| fungi | s/isn't necessarily desirable/is sometimes actively harmful/ | 19:48 |
| jeblair | zaro: though tbh, we should minimize that kind of content in the manual anyway | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | can we talk about docs for a few minutes? | 19:49 |
| jeblair | zaro: it should focus more how to use the tools to get things done | 19:49 |
| jeblair | pleia2: are we excluding folks who might want to participate? | 19:50 |
| fungi | pleia2: ahh, yes, the raging debate about where third-party testing documentation lives long-term | 19:50 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: that's the one | 19:50 |
| jhesketh | I have to leave a few minutes early, sorry guys. Re swift logs it is working for infra jobs and I have fixed in review to make it work for devstack gate and improve the log index from feedback. (I have plenty of open changes if anybody feels like reviews) | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: I don't think so | 19:50 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: thank you | 19:51 |
| jhesketh | s/fixed/fixes | 19:51 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: thanks! | 19:51 |
| jhesketh | Okay catch you later :-) | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | I think it's important, it's really difficult to support these folks via jaypipes' blog posts and I think it would bring value to our project to have it documented, since it supports CI as an open source project too | 19:51 |
| jhesketh | o/ | 19:51 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: enjoy holidays | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 19:52 |
| fungi | pleia2: so is the question just ci.openstack.org vs docs.openstack.org/infra/manual vs something else new? | 19:52 |
| jeblair | so there's that... | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | fungi: that's it | 19:52 |
| fungi | the infra manual, as i see it, is about teaching people how to interact with the infrastructure we're running | 19:53 |
| fungi | whereas third-party testing is only tangentially that | 19:53 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:53 | |
| jeblair | fungi: right. infra manual is "the manual for users of the infrastructure" | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | we also have http://ci.openstack.org/running-your-own.html which has a fair amount of overlap | 19:53 |
| fungi | (the consuming from our gerrit event stream and automated commenting in gerrit is the extent of their interaction with our infrastructure) | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | so what I think makes the most sense is bringing jaypipes' blog posts in to http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html and updating /running-your-own.html where there is overlap | 19:54 |
| jeblair | pleia2: i think that asselin's proposal to make a puppet module for third-party folks that lives in infra is really useful | 19:54 |
| jeblair | pleia2: and i think maybe the best way forward is to proceed with that, and then document that thing appropriately | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: yeah, that will help a lot | 19:54 |
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| pleia2 | ok | 19:54 |
| asselin | still not completely clear where to put the docs though | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | third_party.rst | 19:55 |
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| pleia2 | yeah, in system-config | 19:55 |
| fungi | running-your-own was i believe initially intended as a walkthrough for someone who wanted to set up a copy of most of our infrastructure to test it out and develop improvements for it, so slightly different use case from third-party testing | 19:55 |
| jeblair | yep, that way the docs live with the code | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, it's what lifeless wrote when he went through it, but there are similarities | 19:55 |
| jeblair | and running-your-own is already bitrotting because we don't "run our own" or test things in the way it descibes, and no one is keeping it up to date | 19:56 |
| fungi | agreed, there is common content in several documents which we might be able to link up/de-dup more effectively | 19:56 |
| jeblair | fungi: ++ lots of good stuff to pull from | 19:56 |
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| asselin | anteaya, third_party.rst == http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/third-party.html? | 19:57 |
| fungi | i think running-your-own and the readme in devstack-gate suffer for similar reasons | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | so that's why i'm hoping we end up with a real puppet module for some of this, and real testing of it, and docs that go along with that, so we can actually keep everything up to date and working :) | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | asselin: no, http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 19:57 |
| fungi | they're not written for the people who are managing the codebase, so we aren't the ones who notice when they get stale | 19:57 |
| anteaya | asselin: no, we just outlined that third party docs do not belong in the infra manual | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | asselin: these are the docs generated from our system-config doc repo | 19:57 |
| anteaya | asselin: as pleia2 said, the third_party.rst file in system-config | 19:57 |
| asselin | ok I'm +1 with third_party.rst | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: ok, thanks, we have a plan then | 19:58 |
| jeblair | not to say that no third-party stuff belongs in infra-manual, just not a complete set of documentation about how to run a system | 19:58 |
| * jeblair is all out of negatives | 19:58 | |
| asselin | we should probably remove this empty link then: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/third-party.html | 19:58 |
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| * clarkb hands jeblair a never | 19:58 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: i'm going to hold on to that... | 19:59 |
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| fungi | i have a nor you can borrow, like new condition | 19:59 |
| jeblair | asselin: probably so | 19:59 |
| jeblair | well, thanks everyone, and see you next year! enjoy the holidays! | 20:01 |
| fungi | i guess we're at time, if we want to free up the channel for the dearth of meetings scheduled the rest of the day | 20:01 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| sweston | o/ | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 23 20:01:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-23-19.03.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-23-19.03.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-12-23-19.03.log.html | 20:01 |
| jeblair | yeah, that went surprisingly long for a "not-meeting" | 20:01 |
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