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yushiro | fifieldt_, May I ask you a question about Operation-Guide? | 04:08 |
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JRobinson__ | yushiro, the irc channel #openstack-doc has more contributors who can help you, but what do you need? | 04:25 |
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yushiro | JRobinson__, thank you. I'll attend this channel later. | 04:31 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 08:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:01 |
anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 08:01 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: hi:) | 08:04 |
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anteaya | hello jyuso1 | 08:05 |
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anteaya | how did you do creating a new CI account with launchpad? | 08:06 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: not yet.we thought PCI CI just on-line for a week.so new account may be stuck CI for some time and I've not decided to create new account:) | 08:08 |
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anteaya | okay that is fine | 08:09 |
anteaya | but now you know the process in case you do want to change the email on your account | 08:09 |
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anteaya | how is everything else with your system? | 08:09 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: yes.few issues.Lots of issues caused by network:( | 08:10 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: like git fail,curl fail:( | 08:10 |
anteaya | :( | 08:11 |
anteaya | the network | 08:11 |
anteaya | is this due to the firewall you are behind? | 08:11 |
anteaya | or firewalls? | 08:11 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: No.The bandwiths of our IP is not isolated.so sharing always make some problem. | 08:12 |
anteaya | oh | 08:12 |
anteaya | :( | 08:13 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: we are still try to get help from other department | 08:13 |
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anteaya | do you need to escalate the issue? | 08:13 |
anteaya | does adrian know you are having this problem? | 08:13 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: yes.I think so.I think it will be solved soon.everyone is take care of us:) | 08:15 |
anteaya | oh okay good | 08:15 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: BTW,I still have a question to ask | 08:16 |
anteaya | I'm not much help on internal issues, but don't continue to be stuck if you keep having this problem | 08:16 |
anteaya | jyuso1: go ahead | 08:16 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: we use Gerrit trigger as project trigger.I notice that when a patchset 1 is coming to my trigger queue,then same patch be modified again,comes patchset 2.My CI would test twice. | 08:18 |
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anteaya | hmmmm | 08:19 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: the other CI would just add patchset 2 and abandon patchset 1.Is there some settings of queue I've missed? | 08:20 |
anteaya | in our system if a new patchset is submitted, the new patchset is tested and the old patchset is no longer tested | 08:20 |
anteaya | that might be something in zuul that removes the first patchset though | 08:20 |
anteaya | I think it is probably a setting in zuul | 08:20 |
anteaya | jhesketh SergeyLukjanov do you happen to know the answer to jyuso1's question? | 08:21 |
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anteaya | jyuso1: I think it is a setting in zuul, so your set up wouldnt' have that feature | 08:22 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: OK..thanks. | 08:23 |
anteaya | I am not sure how to create that feature with Jenkins and a Gerrit trigger | 08:23 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: yes,I don't find such option in Gerrit trigger | 08:23 |
anteaya | can you manually stop a job if it is running and a new patchset comes in? | 08:23 |
nibalizer | anteaya: im not sure thats an issue since the new patchset iwll fire a new job anyways right? | 08:24 |
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anteaya | nibalizer: the new patchset should fire its own job | 08:25 |
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anteaya | nibalizer: it can become an issue for systems where testing resources are scarce | 08:25 |
nibalizer | ya | 08:25 |
anteaya | the concern about scarcity of testing resources is a common concern from third party operators | 08:26 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: I don't get it.I think I can manually stop a running job,is there any difference? | 08:26 |
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anteaya | well if you can manually stop a running job, perhaps you can script something to recongize that two jobs are running and stop an earlier running job | 08:27 |
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anteaya | this is one of the benefits of using open source software, you can (if you wish) modify your tools | 08:28 |
anteaya | I have not heard this concern come up before from folks running jenkins with the gerrit trigger plugin | 08:28 |
anteaya | so I don't know if anyone else has modified the tools to address this issue | 08:29 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: like this URL:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145761/ | 08:30 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: you can find our Intel PCI CI fail at patset 6 and 7 | 08:31 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: But before our result of patchset 6 return,the owner have submitted Patch Set 7. | 08:32 |
anteaya | 6 and 7 were uploaded 2 minutes apart from each other | 08:32 |
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anteaya | the message from Intel PCI CI for both patchset 6 and 7 is build successful | 08:33 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: Yes.the interval time is short.But I think other CI system don't have a testing result for patchset 6.so I think may be they abandon patchest 6,when monitor patchset 7 coming.... | 08:35 |
anteaya | where are the failures you are talking about? "anteaya: you can find our Intel PCI CI fail at patset 6 and 7" | 08:35 |
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anteaya | correct the other systems don't report back any findings on patchset 6 | 08:36 |
anteaya | is that what you mean by failure? | 08:36 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: yes | 08:36 |
jyuso1 | tanteaya: that's it. | 08:37 |
anteaya | since I see your test runs on both patchset 6 and 7 as building successfully | 08:37 |
anteaya | okay well that is not a failure then | 08:37 |
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anteaya | that is just an issue with your system, not a failure in the execution of the tests | 08:38 |
anteaya | I don't know exactly which accounts use zuul and which don't | 08:39 |
anteaya | my guess would be that the other accounts use zuul | 08:39 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: OK,may be I could asked those owners of other CI.thanks:) | 08:40 |
anteaya | that might be a good way forward | 08:40 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: yes. | 08:41 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: still thank you for your reply.I always ask lots of questions:) | 08:42 |
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anteaya | jyuso1: you do | 08:43 |
anteaya | I appreciate them | 08:43 |
anteaya | it means you are working very hard on your system | 08:43 |
anteaya | your logs are very nice, well formatted and informative | 08:44 |
anteaya | it means you care about providing good feedback to the developers | 08:44 |
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anteaya | so your testing is useful | 08:44 |
anteaya | that means a lot | 08:44 |
anteaya | thank you | 08:44 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: thanks. | 08:44 |
anteaya | :D | 08:44 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: still lot of things to improve:) | 08:45 |
anteaya | jyuso1: it is a challenging area | 08:45 |
anteaya | and there are many things changing all the time | 08:45 |
anteaya | so it is a big job to stay current on the latest developments and impliment them | 08:45 |
anteaya | and yes, there is lots of room for improvement | 08:46 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: yes. | 08:49 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: I don't have more questions. | 08:49 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: thank you very much. | 08:49 |
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anteaya | jyuso1: thank you | 08:50 |
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anteaya | :D | 08:50 |
anteaya | I have another meeting right after this one | 08:50 |
anteaya | so no harm keeping this meeting open until the top of the hour | 08:51 |
jyuso1 | anteaya: Oh...you are the best.If I were you,I should go to bed few hours ago:))) | 08:52 |
anteaya | thanks | 08:52 |
anteaya | no matter where I am in the world I see to get up in the middle of the night | 08:53 |
anteaya | it is okay, folks at the keystone mid-cycle know not to expect me first thing in the morning | 08:53 |
anteaya | s/see/seem | 08:53 |
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jyuso1 | anteaya: sorry,need to leave my seat now.see you next week.Thank you:) | 08:58 |
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anteaya | jyuso1: see you next week | 08:59 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:59 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 08:59:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-20-08.01.html | 08:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-20-08.01.txt | 08:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-20-08.01.log.html | 09:00 |
anteaya | #startmeeting nova-net-to-neutron-migration | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 09:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_net_to_neutron_migration' | 09:00 |
anteaya | hello | 09:00 |
jlibosva | hi | 09:00 |
anteaya | who is here? | 09:00 |
belmoreira | hi | 09:00 |
obondarev | good evening/morning everybody :) | 09:00 |
anteaya | hello jlibosva belmoreira and obondarev | 09:00 |
anteaya | :D | 09:00 |
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anteaya | gus: are you about? | 09:00 |
gus | hi | 09:00 |
anteaya | there you are | 09:00 |
gus | yep. hotel wifi appears to be working :) | 09:01 |
anteaya | markmcclain is/was flying so won't be able to join us | 09:01 |
anteaya | gus: yay | 09:01 |
anteaya | okay let's get started | 09:01 |
anteaya | here is our agenda | 09:02 |
anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova-nettoNeutronMigration | 09:02 |
anteaya | #topic the state of the Neutron spec (obondarev) | 09:02 |
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anteaya | obondarev: you're up | 09:02 |
obondarev | yep | 09:02 |
anteaya | how are we doing on the specs | 09:02 |
obondarev | so this week we had a progress on the specs | 09:02 |
anteaya | yay! | 09:02 |
obondarev | thanks to gus who uploaded new revisions representing the result of discussions at lca | 09:02 |
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anteaya | thanks gus | 09:03 |
obondarev | so we now have two specs in neutron | 09:03 |
obondarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147723/ | 09:03 |
obondarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142456/ | 09:03 |
anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147723/ | 09:03 |
anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142456/ | 09:03 |
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obondarev | the first one basically sets expectations for the proposed way to migrate OpenStack deployments from nova-network to neutron | 09:03 |
obondarev | it describes the end-user/deployer impact, starting/end points of it | 09:04 |
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anteaya | this was something jogo really wanted | 09:04 |
belmoreira | I add some comments to understand to migration when using cells | 09:04 |
obondarev | the second is a follow-up which adds the description/steps of the overall proposed process | 09:04 |
anteaya | belmoreira: great thank you | 09:04 |
obondarev | and major work items required | 09:04 |
anteaya | wonderful | 09:04 |
anteaya | thanks for that summary obondarev | 09:04 |
gus | they're two changes building on the same spec doc. so we'll have one spec file when they're both submitted. | 09:04 |
obondarev | yesterday I updated the specs, addressing more comments and adding some details | 09:04 |
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anteaya | obondarev: great, thank you | 09:04 |
obondarev | currently we have +2 from markmcclain on both of them | 09:04 |
obondarev | however still need reviews from nova folks | 09:05 |
anteaya | that is a good sign | 09:05 |
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anteaya | obondarev: yes | 09:05 |
anteaya | let's take a look at the first one, 147723 | 09:05 |
anteaya | belmoreira: have you had a chance to take a look at 147723 yet? | 09:06 |
belmoreira | yes, I look into it | 09:06 |
anteaya | gus: and how are you feeling about obondarev's latest patchset to that chanage | 09:06 |
anteaya | belmoreira: any comments for 147723? | 09:06 |
belmoreira | and then I got confused where to put my comments... | 09:07 |
anteaya | ah okay | 09:07 |
anteaya | belmoreira: are you still confused? | 09:07 |
belmoreira | the comments that I have for 147723 are the same that I put in 142456 | 09:07 |
gus | anteaya: the latest revision looks just fine to me - I was just now rolling it into my local git tree.. | 09:07 |
anteaya | gus: great | 09:07 |
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anteaya | belmoreira: are you able to vote on 147723 separately from 142456? | 09:08 |
gus | belmoreira: this is re cells? | 09:08 |
gus | belmoreira: you're right that we should state something regarding cells in 147723. | 09:09 |
belmoreira | gus: yes, I think the specs should consider the cells use case | 09:09 |
obondarev | so as per markmcclain reply we're not going to support cells/multihost cases in the first iteration | 09:09 |
belmoreira | anteaya: yes | 09:10 |
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gus | The discussion we had at LCA was (iirc): we believe this approach should work with cells (by rolling across all machines one-by-one, not necessarily cell-by-cell). | 09:10 |
obondarev | trying to keep sings simple initially | 09:10 |
gus | .. but the intention was to get non-cell case working first. | 09:10 |
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belmoreira | gus: I imagine that the migration will affect mostly large deployments | 09:11 |
belmoreira | gus: and those are using cells | 09:11 |
obondarev | ultimately we should support cells migration for sure | 09:11 |
gus | if it is important to be able to completely upgrade a cell before moving on to the rest (ie: use neutron l3 nodes, and make neutron api read-write) then that will be difficult.. | 09:11 |
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gus | belmoreira: agreed re importance of cell use-case. | 09:12 |
belmoreira | gus: also, I think that cells are great to isolate possible problems and do a step by step migration | 09:12 |
gus | my hesitation is how you would make neutron API available to users cell-by-cell. | 09:13 |
obondarev | neutron doesn't support cells at the moment.. | 09:13 |
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gus | right. so given that neutron isn't sliced up into cells, I think host-by-host is the only gradual rollout we have available. | 09:15 |
obondarev | I think we can still continue to discuss cells in gerrit, with more people than we have at the meeting now | 09:15 |
anteaya | belmoreira: we are trying to come up with a solution you can support, I fear that we might go down into a rabbit hole if we get blocked on cells | 09:15 |
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anteaya | belmoreira: what parts of the offered specs are you able to support? | 09:16 |
gus | belmoreira: you could certainly migrate all the hypervisors in one cell before moving on to the next, for example. | 09:17 |
belmoreira | during the migration I'm looking into the simple use case of creating/delete a VM | 09:17 |
belmoreira | I don't expect to have a full set neutron API available to users... | 09:17 |
gus | yep, that should continue to work just fine during the migration. | 09:17 |
gus | (except for the brief moment where the database is dumped/migrated at the start) | 09:18 |
obondarev | neutron API will be read-only during the migration | 09:18 |
belmoreira | It would be acceptable to not allow floating IPs/security groups, ... during the migration | 09:18 |
gus | urgh, async replies. Yes: create/delete VMs should continue to work (except for the brief read-only period at start). neutron API will not be available (read-write) until the entire thing is complete. | 09:19 |
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belmoreira | that's way I think the cell use case can be archievable if we have some restrictions about what is offered to users during the migration | 09:19 |
obondarev | but floating ips and sec groups will still be accessible for crreate/get/update/delete through nova api | 09:20 |
obondarev | so should be transparent to the users | 09:20 |
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belmoreira | if a deployment is using cells security groups are not supported anyway | 09:21 |
belmoreira | floating IPs we don't use them... not sure if they are available with cells. | 09:21 |
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gus | so I'll add a statement to 147723 describing cells impact (nova-api should basically keep working, you can choose whatever order of hypervisors to upgrade, neutron won't be available until the last hypervisor is done) | 09:23 |
gus | the catch will be testing, and whether we want to deal with cells in this spec, or stick to the easy case here and punt to a followup. | 09:23 |
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gus | .. punt cells upgrades to a followup spec. | 09:24 |
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belmoreira | gus: sorry, also considering cells... | 09:25 |
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belmoreira | gus: using cells we have a db per cell, where the nova-network info is stored. | 09:26 |
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gus | yep. so these will need to be dumped/restored together. ie: nova-api will be read-only for every cell until that is complete. | 09:26 |
obondarev | gus: you mean neutron api, no? | 09:27 |
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gus | so step 1 is getting a description of the nova-network setup into neutron equivalents, so neutron DB becomes the single source of truth. | 09:28 |
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gus | the way we've described this so far involves making the nova-api read-only, using a DB migration tool to dump/restore the nova-network db into neutron db, enabling a nova-network-proxy that looks the same to nova (python) but reads from neutron DB, and then making the nova-api read-write again. | 09:29 |
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gus | I think this will need to be performed for all cells simultaneously given that neutron is cells-ignorant. | 09:30 |
gus | I see this is turning into a complex discussion that we should move to elsewhere. | 09:31 |
obondarev | probably this can be done cell by cell in a way where nova uses proxy for cells whose data is transitioned to neutron | 09:31 |
belmoreira | gus: the proxy works for nova-network calls? (when requesting an IP for a VM) | 09:32 |
obondarev | gus: +1 | 09:32 |
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belmoreira | obondarev: that would be great | 09:32 |
gus | belmoreira: yes, that's basically its entire job. Be a drop-in python replacement for nova-network, but do it by talking to neutron. | 09:33 |
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obondarev | belmoreira: just thinking aloud, I don't know nova cells well enough | 09:34 |
gus | belmoreira/obondarev: ok, so do we want to have a separate chat to work out cells issues, or do we feel we can do it via gerrit review, (or is it sufficiently complex that we should move it into its own spec). | 09:34 |
gus | ? | 09:34 |
belmoreira | gus: in that case as obondarev mentioned, if we move only a specific DB and enable the proxy per cell the migration should be possible | 09:35 |
obondarev | so still thinking we should do it for simple case first, test it and them move to more complex cases | 09:35 |
anteaya | belmoreira: are you able to support any part of the offered specs? | 09:35 |
obondarev | even if the first version will not be applicable for real-world deployments | 09:36 |
belmoreira | gus: I think it will be better to have this discussion on IRC at least to understand the implications. | 09:36 |
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belmoreira | gus: then we can iterate on gerrit | 09:37 |
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gus | belmoreira: ack. I need to do some further research on how cells/nova-network works too .. | 09:38 |
belmoreira | anteya: The spec is great for small deployments. Having a large deployment I would prefer to stage the migration. In this case using cells. | 09:39 |
anteaya | belmoreira: as of the latest discussions about the spec, cells were considered out of scope | 09:40 |
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anteaya | belmoreira: part of the consideration for hinging your support for the process on cells maybe loss of support from the community | 09:40 |
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anteaya | and a possible derailment of this effort | 09:41 |
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anteaya | I would like to see if we can agree to any part of what has been offered as in scope right now | 09:41 |
anteaya | so we can at least move forward in some part | 09:41 |
belmoreira | anteaya: fair enough... | 09:42 |
anteaya | thanks for understanding | 09:42 |
anteaya | it is possible that if we can make some progress in this direction, however small | 09:42 |
anteaya | we may build community support | 09:42 |
anteaya | if the feel their efforts are valued and convey results | 09:42 |
obondarev | I'll look into nova cells as well to see if there is something in the proposed plan that will cause problems for supporting cells in next iterations | 09:43 |
anteaya | obondarev: thank you | 09:43 |
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anteaya | yes, I think further research is warrented | 09:43 |
belmoreira | obondarev: thanks | 09:43 |
anteaya | but I would like to see if we can get some consencous at least on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147723/3 | 09:43 |
anteaya | so for 147723 | 09:44 |
anteaya | do those present feel they can comment/vote/support this patch? | 09:45 |
belmoreira | anteaya: sure | 09:45 |
jlibosva | will do | 09:46 |
anteaya | belmoreira: thank you, I appreciate that | 09:46 |
anteaya | jlibosva: thank you | 09:46 |
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anteaya | so I will communicate with nova and get some reviews from them | 09:46 |
anteaya | and hopefully we can get this patch moving forward | 09:46 |
anteaya | let's agree to discuss cells again next week after further research from/by obondarev and gus | 09:47 |
obondarev | agreed | 09:47 |
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gus | ack | 09:47 |
anteaya | and continue to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142456/ this week and see where we are next meeting | 09:47 |
belmoreira | thanks for the effort | 09:47 |
anteaya | fair? | 09:47 |
anteaya | belmoreira: great thank you | 09:47 |
obondarev | +1 | 09:47 |
anteaya | wonderful | 09:48 |
anteaya | can we move onto the next agenda topic? | 09:48 |
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anteaya | moving on | 09:48 |
anteaya | #topic the state of implementation (obondarev) | 09:48 |
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obondarev | so | 09:48 |
anteaya | obondarev: you again :D | 09:48 |
obondarev | speaking of implementation | 09:48 |
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obondarev | I haven't put my wip prototype on gerrit mostly because it is a neutron proxy plugin to nova | 09:48 |
obondarev | while new plan discussed and reflected in specs is to have a nova proxy to neutron | 09:49 |
obondarev | the reasoning for that is described in the second spec | 09:49 |
obondarev | I'm going to start working on it shortly | 09:49 |
obondarev | together with exploring nova cells | 09:49 |
anteaya | thank you | 09:49 |
obondarev | jlibosva has uploaded a WIP on data migration from nova to neutron db | 09:49 |
jlibosva | obondarev: does it mean your current code will be thrown away? | 09:50 |
obondarev | jlibosva: I guess so, I'm not sure how to apply it with the current plan | 09:50 |
anteaya | obondarev: you could offer up the patch to gerrit and let folks look at it | 09:50 |
anteaya | mark it wip | 09:50 |
anteaya | shame to waste an effort | 09:51 |
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obondarev | well, I can but it may cause confusion | 09:51 |
anteaya | that is a good point | 09:51 |
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anteaya | you are right, let's proceed in the new direction | 09:51 |
jlibosva | you can write it to commit message that it goes with proposal out of date | 09:51 |
anteaya | but I do want to acknowledge your work here obondarev even if noone ever sees it | 09:52 |
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obondarev | anteaya: thanks you :) | 09:52 |
anteaya | :) | 09:52 |
gus | indeed :) | 09:52 |
anteaya | so jlibosva has a patch up | 09:52 |
obondarev | so returning to db migration by jlibosva | 09:52 |
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obondarev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148260/ | 09:53 |
obondarev | which is now the first step in the proposed plan | 09:53 |
obondarev | thanks jlibosva | 09:53 |
jlibosva | that means I should hurry up, I was living in the fact I still have time as I thought it'll be actually the last one | 09:53 |
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anteaya | jlibosva: ah | 09:53 |
anteaya | jlibosva: it looks like you have some reviews on that, thanks obondarev | 09:54 |
obondarev | ok, we still need to agree the whole design | 09:54 |
anteaya | obondarev: we meaning who? | 09:54 |
obondarev | and to merge the specs | 09:54 |
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anteaya | meaning the design in the specs, yes? | 09:54 |
obondarev | we - the community | 09:54 |
obondarev | right | 09:54 |
anteaya | okay great | 09:55 |
anteaya | jlibosva: do you have what you need to continue working on your patch? | 09:55 |
obondarev | but db migration is something that is required anyway I guess | 09:55 |
jlibosva | anteaya: yes, I have some gaps in my knowledge but nothing crucial | 09:55 |
anteaya | jlibosva: great, let's see where you get to by next week and do speak up if you get blocked | 09:55 |
anteaya | obondarev: yes | 09:56 |
jlibosva | sure | 09:56 |
anteaya | thanks | 09:56 |
anteaya | and you will be offering a patch for the proxy sometime, obondarev? | 09:56 |
obondarev | yes | 09:56 |
anteaya | great | 09:56 |
anteaya | thank you | 09:56 |
anteaya | anything more under implementation? | 09:56 |
obondarev | not from my side | 09:57 |
anteaya | wonderful, moving on | 09:57 |
anteaya | #topic documentation (obondarev) | 09:57 |
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obondarev | we have good news on the docs side as well | 09:57 |
anteaya | yay | 09:57 |
obondarev | I talked to emagana and he agreed to help with docs for the migration | 09:57 |
anteaya | wonderful, thank you | 09:57 |
obondarev | I've added him to the specs reviews so he's aware of the proposed plan | 09:57 |
anteaya | obondarev: perfect | 09:57 |
anteaya | obondarev: did you get a chance to chat with annegentle as well? | 09:57 |
obondarev | no, I didn't | 09:58 |
anteaya | would like to take her up on her offer | 09:58 |
anteaya | okay I will find her this week | 09:58 |
anteaya | we can't have too much help with docs | 09:58 |
obondarev | anteaya: thank you | 09:58 |
obondarev | anteaya: agree | 09:58 |
anteaya | #action anteaya to chat with annegentle about offer of docs help | 09:58 |
anteaya | #topic testing (belmoreira) | 09:58 |
*** openstack changes topic to "testing (belmoreira) (Meeting topic: nova-net-to-neutron-migration)" | 09:59 | |
anteaya | belmoreira: I assigned the testing topic to you | 09:59 |
anteaya | belmoreira: I hope that is okay with you | 09:59 |
anteaya | belmoreira: any thoughts here this week? | 09:59 |
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belmoreira | anteaya: :) well, I give my comments how I would like to test the migration | 10:00 |
anteaya | belmoreira: that helps, thank you :D | 10:00 |
anteaya | and we are at time | 10:00 |
obondarev | thanks everybody | 10:00 |
jlibosva | thanks | 10:00 |
gus | I can have a go at grenade, etc work too. | 10:00 |
anteaya | thank you all for your attendance and support | 10:00 |
belmoreira | thanks | 10:00 |
anteaya | gus: awesome thank you | 10:00 |
gus | I feel we're mostly constrained by what our (current) testing frameworks are capable of. | 10:00 |
anteaya | see you all next week | 10:00 |
gus | thanks all. | 10:01 |
anteaya | gus: yes | 10:01 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:01 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 10:01:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-01-20-09.00.html | 10:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-01-20-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
jlibosva | bye | 10:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-01-20-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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lxsli | o/ | 14:55 |
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bauzas | aloha ? | 15:00 |
alex_xu | ? | 15:00 |
bauzas | n0ano: tic tac toc | 15:00 |
n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 15:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
alex_xu | o/ | 15:01 |
edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
lxsli | \o | 15:01 |
n0ano | drift off for 30 seconds and people slap you :-) | 15:01 |
n0ano | sorry for the delay, anyway... | 15:01 |
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edleafe | n0ano: we'll let it slide this one time... | 15:01 |
bauzas | eh eh | 15:01 |
edleafe | ;-) | 15:01 |
n0ano | #topic Remove direct nova DB/API access by Scheduler Filters - https://review.opernstack.org/138444/ | 15:01 |
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n0ano | edleafe, but not next time | 15:02 |
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n0ano | we talked on email and bauzas tried to explain, are you two still far apart? | 15:02 |
edleafe | ok, so here's the basic issue | 15:02 |
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edleafe | there are two ways to get the instance info to the scheduler | 15:02 |
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bauzas | edleafe: please explain those 2 things | 15:03 |
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edleafe | one is to enhance the current _get_all_host_states() so that each host includes instance info | 15:03 |
bauzas | let's call it option #2 | 15:03 |
bauzas | oops | 15:03 |
bauzas | option #1 | 15:03 |
edleafe | the other is to have hosts report changes in instance info to scheduler, which would maintain that in-memory | 15:03 |
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bauzas | let's call it option #2 | 15:03 |
edleafe | bauzas: ok, these are options 1 & 2 | 15:03 |
edleafe | option 2 is more disruptive | 15:04 |
edleafe | would require changing code in more places | 15:04 |
bauzas | ok, about #2, you mean that hosts will report all the instances for each 60 secs ? | 15:04 |
edleafe | but would be closer to the eventual model that we want | 15:04 |
edleafe | this was jaypipes's concern | 15:04 |
edleafe | and his main reason for favoring the approach | 15:04 |
alex_xu | edleafe: option2, report changes to scheduler, means write the instance info to compute node table? | 15:04 |
bauzas | dammit, jaypipes is not yet there ! | 15:04 |
edleafe | bauzas: they would report when a change occurs | 15:05 |
edleafe | create/destroy/resize | 15:05 |
bauzas | seriously, Jay, if you're reading us, please come in, because we already discussed about this BP last week without you | 15:05 |
bauzas | edleafe: using RPC API call ? | 15:05 |
edleafe | bauzas: yes | 15:05 |
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bauzas | edleafe: isn't what I said OK last week ? | 15:06 |
edleafe | in opt#2, the scheduler would get the info when it starts up, and the hosts would update when they change | 15:06 |
bauzas | option #2 is for having pending instances provided to the scheduler | 15:06 |
bauzas | edleafe: right, but do you understand that there is no persistence in the scheduler now ? | 15:07 |
n0ano | edleafe, my only concern with #2 is how to get initial state, does the scheduler have to query every host in the system? | 15:07 |
* bauzas would like to be fluent in English... | 15:07 | |
n0ano | n0ano, would like to be fluent in French :-) | 15:07 |
edleafe | bauzas: well, isn't that what would happen? If a host gets an instance request (pending), it would report it to the scheduler *before* it starts building it | 15:07 |
bauzas | because it sounds I have some problems explaining why I think you missed something | 15:08 |
edleafe | bauzas: if that fails, then it would report that, too. | 15:08 |
edleafe | bauzas: ok, please explain | 15:08 |
bauzas | edleafe: I said I was OK with that approach for pending instances | 15:08 |
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bauzas | edleafe: but as HostState is not persisted in between each request, it needs to call all instances for each host | 15:09 |
bauzas | edleafe: req1 comes in, calls _get_all_host_states(), instantiate the list of HostState | 15:09 |
bauzas | edleafe: req2 comes in, calls _get_all_host_states(), instantiate the list of HostState | 15:10 |
n0ano | bauzas, isn't edleafe basically saying we would change HostState to `be` persistent in the scheduler | 15:10 |
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edleafe | n0ano: well, that's the end goal | 15:10 |
bauzas | n0ano: it was not explicitely said | 15:10 |
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edleafe | we shouldn't really have to make that call every time | 15:10 |
bauzas | n0ano: but I answered on that approach in my email by saying "+1000 but not now" | 15:10 |
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bauzas | well, tbp, I said "+1000 but not *in that spec*" | 15:11 |
edleafe | n0ano: with opt#2, getting there would be half-complete | 15:11 |
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edleafe | n0ano: with opt#1, we'd still be where we are now | 15:11 |
bauzas | edleafe: why ? | 15:11 |
alex_xu | I'm understand why persisted will resolve the race problem. Persisted means we need lock for scheduler to read HostState? | 15:11 |
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alex_xu | s/I'm understand/I'm not understand... | 15:11 |
bauzas | alex_xu: the main problem is that if we persist HostState, we need to carefully think about all the problems around it | 15:12 |
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edleafe | bauzas: because with opt#1, we're still calling _get_all_host_states() with each request | 15:12 |
n0ano | alex_xu, shouldn't need a lock, sheduler owns the persisted HostState, no contention on it | 15:12 |
bauzas | edleafe: right, and what is the scope of this BP ? | 15:12 |
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bauzas | edleafe: are you planning to solve all scheduler problems in that spec or are you focusing to not call DB in the filters but rather elsewhere ?. | 15:12 |
edleafe | bauzas: so with opt#2, we still do that, but make a small step to scheduler maintaining info in-memory instead of always calling | 15:13 |
bauzas | edleafe: again, that's not the scope of this spec | 15:13 |
edleafe | bauzas: getting the full host state in memory would be an L project | 15:13 |
bauzas | edleafe: if that spec is requiring a persistent approach, then let's write a spec for persisting HostState and depend your spec on that one | 15:13 |
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edleafe | bauzas: that would be fine, but I thought we agreed that that would come in L, not kilo | 15:14 |
bauzas | edleafe: but I'm sorry, opt#2 was not explicitely saying this approach | 15:14 |
bauzas | edleafe: exactly, here is the point | 15:15 |
edleafe | jaypipes thought that this would lay the groundwork | 15:15 |
bauzas | honestly, do we need to meet together all if jay is not here again ? | 15:15 |
edleafe | IOW, if we know we want to end up in one place, why add code that uses the approach we want to leave? | 15:15 |
bauzas | I don't want to spend too much on my time agreeing on something that jay could -1 it | 15:15 |
edleafe | bauzas: yeah, jay not being here sucks | 15:16 |
edleafe | I mean, he's the sub-PTL for scheduler | 15:16 |
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bauzas | edleafe: so I ask to postpone that discussion until jay's back | 15:16 |
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n0ano | he's not online so we have to try to do what we can | 15:16 |
edleafe | bauzas: ok | 15:16 |
bauzas | because I will have to explain again why I disagree etc. | 15:16 |
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edleafe | n0ano: so do wwe need to set up another hangout or irc discussion> | 15:17 |
n0ano | if we postpone what are the odds we'll be done by the spec exception deadline | 15:17 |
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edleafe | n0ano: we shouldn't wait until next week, since it'll be the mid-cycle | 15:17 |
n0ano | edleafe, I'd prefer IRC, I have to say the hangout didn't work that well | 15:17 |
bauzas | edleafe: sub-PTL doesn't necessarely mean that a people would be a tech lead | 15:17 |
edleafe | n0ano: agreed | 15:17 |
bauzas | IRC can do the job | 15:17 |
edleafe | bauzas: true, but he should be keeping everything on track | 15:18 |
bauzas | right, hence my ask to postpone | 15:18 |
bauzas | because we need his advice | 15:18 |
edleafe | bauzas: yes | 15:18 |
n0ano | let's keep an eye out for him on IRC and see if we can setup an ad-hoc channel | 15:18 |
n0ano | bauzas, when will you be quitting for the day? | 15:18 |
bauzas | please all keep in mind we're a distributed team with chinese and EU people | 15:19 |
bauzas | I'm here for around 2 hours left | 15:19 |
bauzas | and then, possibly here | 15:19 |
edleafe | #action Track down jaypipes and set up an IRC discussion with bauzas, edleafe, n0ano, and anyone else interested | 15:19 |
bauzas | provided that doesn't conflict with personal concersn | 15:19 |
bauzas | n0ano: could you take the action ? | 15:20 |
n0ano | edleafe, I'm good almost any time | 15:20 |
bauzas | edleafe: you can't add actions, you're not chairing the meeting | 15:20 |
edleafe | maybe set it up for early tomorrow morning in the US? | 15:20 |
edleafe | bauzas: ah | 15:20 |
alex_xu | it hard to catch Jay, so don't think about me, I can check the log | 15:20 |
n0ano | bauzas, yes, I'll look for jay and try and setup something soon | 15:20 |
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n0ano | #action n0ano to setup ad-hoc IRC when all available | 15:20 |
* n0ano action doesn't work for me either, go figure | 15:21 | |
edleafe | time to move on? | 15:21 |
n0ano | anyway, let's postpone this for now, moving on | 15:21 |
n0ano | #topic items for mid-cycle | 15:21 |
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bauzas | I made a few notes on the etherpad | 15:22 |
n0ano | have we thought of things we want to raise at the mid-cycle, noting this will be stuff we will be targeting for L | 15:22 |
edleafe | link for the etherpad? | 15:22 |
bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-midcycle | 15:22 |
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* edleafe seems to have misplaced it | 15:22 | |
edleafe | thx | 15:22 |
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edleafe | n0ano: I added an item about discussing the interface questions | 15:23 |
n0ano | we should all think about some specifics for `next step', that's what I want but it's a little open | 15:23 |
n0ano | edleafe, that's good | 15:23 |
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bauzas | edleafe: well, I was retaining the "next step" approach | 15:24 |
edleafe | I think it would be helpful to get a clearer picture of where we want to end up after the split | 15:24 |
bauzas | next step being Lxxx :) | 15:24 |
bauzas | hope it will be Liberty :) | 15:24 |
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edleafe | bauzas: next steps are good too, but I was thinking about clarifying where we want to be after the next 10 steps :) | 15:25 |
bauzas | edleafe: I'm fine with you, anyway that's midcycle | 15:25 |
bauzas | that's also something we can tackle during midcycle | 15:27 |
n0ano | although thinking about it, general terms for the schedule are good, we should talk about specifics at the meetup | 15:28 |
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bauzas | agreed | 15:28 |
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n0ano | #action all to update the mid-cycle meetup etherpad with `general` ideas | 15:29 |
bauzas | sounds good | 15:30 |
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bauzas | are we done ? | 15:30 |
n0ano | almost | 15:30 |
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n0ano | #topic opens | 15:30 |
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bauzas | oops :) | 15:30 |
n0ano | anything new from anyone today? | 15:30 |
bauzas | coding, coding, coding, fixing, releasing, coding, coding | 15:31 |
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n0ano | reviewing, reviewing, ... | 15:31 |
edleafe | reviewing, reviewing... | 15:31 |
edleafe | :) | 15:31 |
n0ano | OK, winding down, I'll tnx everyone and we will be on IRC again - soon | 15:31 |
n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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alex_xu | reread irc log, reread irc log... | 15:31 |
bauzas | my review ratio is at the lowest these days :( | 15:31 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 15:31:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-01-20-15.00.html | 15:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-01-20-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-01-20-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
edleafe | bauzas: heh, I guess the actions *did* work | 15:32 |
bauzas | edleafe: interesting | 15:32 |
bauzas | edleafe: sounds like a bugfix or a new feature | 15:33 |
bauzas | edleafe: because I'm 100% sure that it was not the case previously :) | 15:33 |
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bauzas | so, back to fixing the detach-service bp, wooo ! | 15:33 |
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edleafe | bauzas: have fun!! | 15:36 |
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primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 16:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:00 |
primeministerp | hey guys | 16:00 |
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primeministerp | ociuhandu_: morning | 16:00 |
alexpilotti | hey there | 16:00 |
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primeministerp | alexpilotti: morning | 16:01 |
primeministerp | alexpilotti: general status first? | 16:01 |
alexpilotti | sure | 16:01 |
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primeministerp | #topic status update | 16:02 |
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alexpilotti | so, we are mostly waiting for reviews | 16:02 |
primeministerp | you read my mind | 16:02 |
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ociuhandu | morning all | 16:02 |
primeministerp | hey tavi | 16:02 |
alexpilotti | the status basically didnt change much sicne K1 | 16:02 |
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alexpilotti | lots of BPs waiting reviews :-) | 16:03 |
alexpilotti | we had a couple of +2s lately | 16:03 |
primeministerp | ok | 16:03 |
alexpilotti | on the Nova rescue BP patch and on the Nova Gen 2 VM ones | 16:03 |
alexpilotti | all the rest is basically just waiting | 16:03 |
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alexpilotti | I hope something is going to change before K-3... | 16:04 |
primeministerp | and any bugs waiting as well? | 16:04 |
alexpilotti | yes, bugs are in teh same status | 16:04 |
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primeministerp | awesome | 16:04 |
alexpilotti | luckily we dont have many | 16:04 |
alexpilotti | the codebase is working very well | 16:05 |
alexpilotti | but still we will get into rebase problems soon | 16:05 |
primeministerp | and that's a huge time eater too | 16:05 |
alexpilotti | also two BPs depend on the Gen 2 one | 16:05 |
primeministerp | so those +2s you mentioned i'm assuming it was the first? | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | so until that one is merged, we wont be able to get many reviews on the dependencies | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | yes | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | there’s a hop that Gen 2 will merge today as we had another +2 previously, that got lost with the rebases | 16:07 |
primeministerp | ok | 16:07 |
alexpilotti | we’re developing other stuff ATM | 16:07 |
alexpilotti | ceilometer extensions for example | 16:07 |
primeministerp | fair enough | 16:08 |
alexpilotti | or refactoring the unit tests | 16:08 |
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alexpilotti | or additional Windows specific integration, like testing now Azure Bus with oslo.messaging | 16:08 |
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primeministerp | alexpilotti: thanks | 16:09 |
alexpilotti | np! | 16:10 |
primeministerp | alexpilotti: until we have more ci infra ready to run I really don't have much to add | 16:10 |
primeministerp | we'll end on that for now | 16:10 |
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primeministerp | alexpilotti: thx | 16:10 |
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luis_fdez | happy new year ! :) | 16:10 |
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primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:10 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 16:10:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:11 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-01-20-16.00.html | 16:11 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-01-20-16.00.txt | 16:11 |
alexpilotti | luis_fdez: hi there :) | 16:11 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-01-20-16.00.log.html | 16:11 |
luis_fdez | hi alexpilotti | 16:11 |
luis_fdez | hehe | 16:11 |
primeministerp | luis_fdez: happy new year! | 16:12 |
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luis_fdez | thx primeministerp ;-) | 16:12 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: msdubov_ andreykurilin_ ping | 17:02 |
rvasilets | Hi | 17:02 |
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boris-42 | rally team is sleeping | 17:03 |
boris-42 | seems like we should move a bit meeting time | 17:03 |
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msdubov_ | boris-42:hi! | 17:03 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 17:03 |
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boris-42 | heh | 17:06 |
amaretskiy | pong | 17:06 |
boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:06 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 17:06:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rally)" | 17:06 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:06 |
boris-42 | #topic VMTask benchmark updates and future steps | 17:06 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: could you please provide infomration related to this topic | 17:07 |
boris-42 | waht we did what w are going to do | 17:07 |
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amaretskiy | here is a patch that was recently merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144337/ | 17:07 |
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amaretskiy | there are a lot of improvements for scenario VMTasks.boot_runcommand_delete | 17:07 |
amaretskiy | first main improvement is neutron support | 17:08 |
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amaretskiy | second one in simple network configuration | 17:08 |
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amaretskiy | configuration was a head ache before | 17:09 |
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amaretskiy | so some configuration parameters were removed, other were auto-configured | 17:09 |
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amaretskiy | so if we use network context (which support was also added with this patch), we can leave all parameters blank - the networking configuration will be auto-complete | 17:10 |
amaretskiy | eom | 17:10 |
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amaretskiy | about future steps | 17:11 |
amaretskiy | now i'm going to switch to another part of rally - my next aim is html report | 17:12 |
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amaretskiy | there are a lot of fixes/features planned for the report | 17:12 |
amaretskiy | eom | 17:12 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: so what kinds of bugs? | 17:13 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: and improvements would you like to make | 17:13 |
boris-42 | could you be more verbose please | 17:13 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: so? | 17:16 |
amaretskiy | * failures aggregation (do not repeat similar errors) | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * fix css/html layout for charts if there are a lot of parameters (especially for pie chart) | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * show broken iterations with red stripes on stacked chart | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * add pretty tooltips | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * fix: add scroll bar for input task json (if too wide) | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * add cluster information | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * reimplement templates with jinja2 | 17:17 |
amaretskiy | * etc... | 17:17 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: reimplemnt templates with jinja2 ??? | 17:17 |
boris-42 | what | 17:17 |
boris-42 | ? | 17:18 |
amaretskiy | replace mako with jinja2 | 17:18 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: ahh | 17:18 |
amaretskiy | and get rid of mako | 17:18 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep that is good one | 17:18 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: mako sux | 17:18 |
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amaretskiy | yes :) | 17:18 |
boris-42 | it was my bad to use it.. | 17:18 |
amaretskiy | reimplementation will not take a lot of time | 17:18 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep they are quite close to each otehr | 17:19 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: just mako sux=) | 17:19 |
amaretskiy | :) | 17:19 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: so about tooltip | 17:19 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: wanna discuss? | 17:19 |
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amaretskiy | i'm going to show hints with pretty js tooltips | 17:19 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep so we can just put basic infomration | 17:20 |
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amaretskiy | but do not move charts/tables data into tooltips | 17:20 |
boris-42 | what means iteration what is measured | 17:20 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: nonon | 17:20 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: just put extra info | 17:20 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: about what is on graphs | 17:20 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: cause not all users can understand when they see them first time | 17:20 |
amaretskiy | important note: tooltips implementation for charts is limited | 17:21 |
amaretskiy | i mean tooltips that appear when we put cursor over the chart | 17:21 |
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amaretskiy | for other html objects - no problem | 17:21 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: no | 17:21 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: don't do that | 17:21 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: just put on top of charts on right | 17:22 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: some div with [?] | 17:22 |
boris-42 | and if user moves over it it shows tooltip with explanation | 17:22 |
amaretskiy | ok, that is absolutely not a problem :) | 17:22 |
amaretskiy | tooltips will b every nice :) | 17:22 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: that will be great improvment (even if it simple) | 17:22 |
amaretskiy | okay :) | 17:22 |
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boris-42 | okay let's move on other things | 17:23 |
boris-42 | #topic documentation refactoring | 17:23 |
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boris-42 | msdubov_: your turn | 17:23 |
msdubov_ | boris-42 thanks | 17:23 |
boris-42 | what we did, what are our plans | 17:23 |
msdubov_ | So we have finally completed it: http://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:24 |
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msdubov_ | One of the greatest things about the new docs is this "step-by-step" Rally tutorial: http://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial.html | 17:24 |
msdubov_ | It has to be extended a bit and that's the major plan for the future development of these docs | 17:25 |
msdubov_ | e.g. stuff about different scenario runners is missing etc. | 17:25 |
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msdubov_ | eom | 17:25 |
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boris-42 | ьmsdubov_ sounds good | 17:26 |
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boris-42 | msdubov_: btw it will be nice to put extra info about .rally directory | 17:27 |
msdubov_ | Yep I believe there will be lots of small changes as soon as we receive more feedback on these dosc | 17:27 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: at least in tutorial about using multple clouds | 17:27 |
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msdubov_ | I also hope we will be able to get the RTD Sphinx theme in global requirementss | 17:28 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: not sure lol | 17:28 |
msdubov_ | To be able to review it | 17:28 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: but redixin can make for us job | 17:28 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: on Mirnatis Rally CI | 17:28 |
msdubov_ | boris-42: redixin That would be nice! | 17:28 |
boris-42 | okay | 17:29 |
boris-42 | let's move | 17:29 |
boris-42 | #topic Murano base | 17:29 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: ^ hey | 17:29 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: could you please provide update | 17:29 |
boris-42 | I hope to get that patches ready and merge them=) | 17:29 |
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rvasilets | Hi. For a long time I am working on adding Murano to Rally. There are a lot of issues. The most serious issue was that we don't wan't to download a big image from internet | 17:31 |
rvasilets | wicj murano app need | 17:31 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: so did you find the way to avoid that issue and make something simple? | 17:31 |
rvasilets | Now I need to fix only unit tests for that patch and rebase it on the changes that was meged last wekk | 17:31 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: like puting fake stuff | 17:32 |
rvasilets | Yes | 17:32 |
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rvasilets | I found | 17:32 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: that sounds great | 17:32 |
rvasilets | Now I have add 9Kb folder to Rally and creates everything temporary | 17:32 |
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rvasilets | The key idea here is that this folder contains murano app that | 17:33 |
rvasilets | don't need image | 17:33 |
boris-42 | кmsdubov_ щлфн) | 17:33 |
rvasilets | eom | 17:33 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: yep 9kb directory is not issue | 17:34 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: great work on this | 17:34 |
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msdubov_ | boris-42 wat? :) | 17:34 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: ?? | 17:34 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: we need a 9kb directory in rally-jobs/extra | 17:34 |
msdubov_ | boris-42: okay seems like you occasionally mentioned me | 17:34 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: oh sory | 17:34 |
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boris-42 | #topic Making gate-rally-dsvm-cli publish ouptut to files | 17:35 |
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boris-42 | oanufriev: ^ | 17:35 |
oanufriev | so | 17:35 |
oanufriev | there is a patch on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147098/ | 17:35 |
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boris-42 | oanufriev: could you explain for everybody that idea and why we need it | 17:35 |
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oanufriev | there implemented writting and collecting reports of rally commands during functional tests | 17:36 |
oanufriev | then this reports become available in gerrit | 17:36 |
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oanufriev | under gate-rally-dsvm-cli reference | 17:38 |
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boris-42 | oanufriev: btw I would like to see some manuals ) | 17:38 |
boris-42 | openstack: probably in new readthedocs we should put explanation + in rally/tests/functional/README.rst | 17:39 |
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oanufriev | so, functional tests become more informative. By the way, you can get this reports running functional tests local | 17:39 |
boris-42 | oanufriev: otherwise newbies won't now about it | 17:39 |
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boris-42 | oanufriev: deff agree on that | 17:40 |
oanufriev | you should decorate your test method with test.functional.utils.gen_publish_path | 17:40 |
boris-42 | oanufriev: without this feature we need to run locally in any case when there are some changes that requires documents | 17:40 |
oanufriev | and declare 'report_path' argument | 17:41 |
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oanufriev | instance of ReportPath will be passed to it | 17:42 |
boris-42 | oanufriev I would prefer to see it documented | 17:43 |
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oanufriev | ok. WBD | 17:43 |
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boris-42 | openstack: could you put some documentation on readme.rst in tests/functional/* ? | 17:43 |
boris-42 | oanufriev: great | 17:43 |
oanufriev | eof | 17:43 |
boris-42 | oanufriev: I will try to review your patch | 17:43 |
oanufriev | ok | 17:43 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: amaretskiy rvasilets ^ please do the same guys | 17:44 |
boris-42 | It's really cool stuf | 17:44 |
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boris-42 | #topic open disucssion | 17:44 |
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boris-42 | maybe somebody would like to discuss anything? | 17:45 |
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rvasilets | no question | 17:45 |
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amaretskiy | no questions | 17:45 |
msdubov_ | msdubov_ no from me | 17:45 |
boris-42 | msdubov_: oanufriev ? | 17:45 |
oanufriev | nop | 17:46 |
boris-42 | okay seems like we can end meething and go home=) | 17:46 |
boris-42 | Thank you guys and see you tomorrow=) | 17:46 |
boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:46:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-01-20-17.06.html | 17:46 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-01-20-17.06.txt | 17:46 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-01-20-17.06.log.html | 17:46 |
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jeblair | kia ora! anyone around for an infra meeting? | 19:01 |
fungi | halloo? | 19:01 |
clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
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gothicmindfood | o/ | 19:02 |
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mmedvede | o/ | 19:02 |
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AJaeger_ | I'm here... | 19:02 |
jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 19:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
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jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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jeblair | ...no idea if that's accurate... | 19:03 |
jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-01-13-19.02.html | 19:03 |
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asselin_ | hi | 19:03 |
krtaylor | o/ | 19:03 |
jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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jeblair | SergeyLukjanov send announcement about puppet module split to infra and dev | 19:03 |
jeblair | that happened | 19:03 |
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jeblair | lemme dig up a link | 19:04 |
clarkb | I have it | 19:04 |
clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-January/002323.html | 19:04 |
jeblair | yay. so that's jan 28th | 19:05 |
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jeblair | we should all be back from running around various places by then :) | 19:05 |
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jeblair | or at lesat most of us | 19:05 |
fungi | yep | 19:05 |
clarkb | me three | 19:05 |
fungi | except for anteaya | 19:05 |
pleia2 | yeah, I'll be around then too (but flying off to fosdem the day after) | 19:05 |
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jeblair | jhesketh: around? | 19:06 |
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jeblair | i think we can defer scheduling project renames for now | 19:06 |
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fungi | yeah | 19:07 |
fungi | don't think we'd do any before next week | 19:07 |
jeblair | #topic Priority efforts: Puppet module split | 19:07 |
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clarkb | I have mostly put these changes on the back burner figuring we would crank through them during the sprint | 19:07 |
jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-module-split-sprint | 19:07 |
clarkb | if that is not ok let me know and I can put those changes back on my review list | 19:08 |
jeblair | there's a sign up sheet on the etherpad ^ | 19:08 |
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mmedvede | I have assigned myself a bunch of modules on storyboard | 19:08 |
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asselin_ | clarkb, I added recheckwatch to run through before the sprint, but it can wait | 19:09 |
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asselin_ | I updated storyboard a bit, but not sure it's 100% synchronized with reality | 19:10 |
jeblair | asselin_: recheckwatch? | 19:10 |
asselin_ | puppet-recheckwatch | 19:10 |
nibalizer | o/ (sorry for late) | 19:10 |
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asselin_ | jeblair, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140430/ | 19:11 |
fungi | it seemed like there were a lot of volunteers to write the modules and split the repos, so i figured i would spend the sprint focusing on reviewing the same | 19:11 |
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fungi | as that is where i fear we may get bottlenecked | 19:11 |
fungi | that and possibly troubleshooting problems arising from merging them | 19:11 |
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jeblair | asselin_: ah, gotcha, thanks | 19:13 |
jeblair | fungi: ++ | 19:13 |
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jeblair | #topic Priority efforts: Nodepool DIB | 19:15 |
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clarkb | so as of today this is working for devstack images in hpcloud best I can tell | 19:16 |
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clarkb | though I should check overall health of image building across all the images | 19:16 |
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clarkb | but we can build them and mix snapshots and dib images | 19:16 |
fungi | and check experimental runs stuff on them | 19:16 |
fungi | for devstack-gate | 19:16 |
clarkb | fungi: I switched all jobs too | 19:17 |
fungi | oh, right, now devstack jobs running in hpcloud get dib | 19:17 |
jeblair | clarkb: you switched all jobs? :) | 19:17 |
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fungi | er, dib-built images | 19:17 |
clarkb | so the the devstack-trusty and devstack-precise labels in hpcloud are using those images | 19:17 |
jeblair | oh wow! | 19:17 |
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clarkb | ya it worked so I dove in and it hasn't broken yet | 19:17 |
fungi | and seem (yay!) to not have broken anything obvious | 19:17 |
clarkb | that was thursday last week? | 19:17 |
fungi | sounds right | 19:18 |
jeblair | that's excellent news! | 19:18 |
clarkb | so next steps are make not devstack images dibable (make jobs do more?) and make nodepool speak rax glance and image format | 19:18 |
jeblair | so what's next? wait for mordred to get us ready for rax-lance? | 19:18 |
clarkb | jeblair: ya that and working on moving non devstack jobs to dib'd images too | 19:18 |
fungi | rax lance sounds like a fiendish weapon | 19:19 |
mordred | ohai1 | 19:19 |
jeblair | fungi: i'm told it's painful, yes | 19:19 |
mordred | sorry - was arguing keystone in -dev | 19:19 |
fungi | keystone wins. flawless victory | 19:19 |
mordred | I've got a local patch to nodepool that's halfway to getting the needed glance/swift code in place | 19:19 |
jeblair | clarkb: cool, that will make it easier to expand to all 9 virtual routers in hpcloud too (once we get rid of nodepool-built images there) | 19:19 |
mordred | I'm hoping to finish on today's plane | 19:19 |
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clarkb | oh there is a bug that we build two images right next to each other and upload those as our two current images instead of having a 24 hour old image and a current image | 19:20 |
mordred | also - jroll tells me that the network info in config-drive is rolling out to rax now and is in place in IAD | 19:20 |
clarkb | so that needs debugging and fixing too | 19:20 |
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jeblair | clarkb: after 24 hours, do we _also_ have a 24 hour old image plus 1 or 2 current images? | 19:21 |
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jeblair | or do we delete both then have 2 new ones? | 19:21 |
clarkb | jeblair: delete both and have 2 new ones | 19:21 |
clarkb | jeblair: I think it may be because I manually did image builds at some point and it threw off image rotating | 19:21 |
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clarkb | I think that if I maybe delete the older of the two it will go back to normal? | 19:22 |
jeblair | okay, that's pretty important then -- i don't want to be without the ability to roll back images quickly | 19:22 |
clarkb | jeblair: ya | 19:22 |
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jeblair | that should be unit-testable in nodepool i think | 19:22 |
clarkb | ok will look into that | 19:22 |
clarkb | and ya should be since we don't actually need to make images to test rotation | 19:22 |
jeblair | (so hopefully should have a faster debug/test cycle than many nodepool changes) | 19:23 |
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jeblair | anything else on dib nodepool? | 19:23 |
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clarkb | not from me | 19:24 |
jeblair | #topic priority efforts: Jobs on trusty | 19:24 |
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fungi | there has been some movement in the discussion with the ubuntu package maintainers | 19:24 |
mordred | fungi: was is just a shuffling kind of dance? | 19:25 |
fungi | however, it sounds like they don't expect to have it fixed in the next few weeks at least | 19:25 |
fungi | so i think we should go ahead and drop py33 testing for now | 19:25 |
fungi | we can switch all but two projects which are currently gating on 3.3 to 3.4 | 19:25 |
fungi | i can write up the change some time today hopefully | 19:25 |
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jeblair | we should probably send something to -dev and give at least 1 week notice, yeah? | 19:26 |
fungi | oslo.rootwrap and oslo.messaging would be the two left naked until we can run their jobs on trusty | 19:26 |
fungi | yep, i'll put together an announcement for that | 19:27 |
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mordred | I'm assuming dhellmann is fine with leaving rootwrap and messaging naked for a minute? | 19:27 |
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fungi | i _did_ look into centos 7 as an option, but they don't have 3.4 available for side-by-side installation (another option i'm not fond of is compiling our own or using a third-party package) | 19:28 |
fungi | i hope so but need to confirm with him again. i did offer some help to the ubuntuites if i can be of assistance at all in getting some of the legwork done but haven't seen a reply yet | 19:28 |
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jeblair | i'm not sure what else is current on the agenda, so.... | 19:30 |
fungi | anyway, i don't have anything else for this topic at the moment | 19:30 |
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jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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clarkb | reports of slow gerrit | 19:30 |
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krtaylor | I'll mention that we have the third-party documentation sprint coming up this week | 19:31 |
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clarkb | we are hitting our 8GB memory limit on the jvm | 19:31 |
clarkb | that may be a symptom or the cause | 19:31 |
jeblair | krtaylor: what is the goal of the sprint? | 19:32 |
clarkb | zaro: ^ is 8GB reasonable? maybe this is a memory leak | 19:32 |
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krtaylor | jeblair, major rewrite/refresh of the third-party docs, any and all help would be appreciated -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 19:32 |
jeblair | clarkb: how much history for that metric do we have? | 19:32 |
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asselin_ | clarkb, I've got a tool that can pinpoint memory leaks | 19:33 |
clarkb | jeblair: via melody a year but the graphs are kinda rough | 19:33 |
clarkb | er sorry melody hasn't been there for a year so since we reinstalled gerrit? | 19:33 |
jeblair | krtaylor: gotcha. unfortunately, most of infra-core is traveling and in meetings this week :( | 19:33 |
pleia2 | my WIP zanata module change could use some feedback if someone wants to play around with it this week, there are some puppet order of operations issues (need wildfly modules installed before zanata, etc) and I'm not quite sure what the best way about structuring it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147947/ | 19:34 |
asselin_ | jeblair, then there'll be (hopefull) lots to review when on planes, or when you're back | 19:34 |
krtaylor | jeblair, yeah, but at least we can get a bunch of patches waiting for review when everyone frees up | 19:34 |
krtaylor | asselin_, yes | 19:34 |
clarkb | pleia2: that sounds like a good thing to look at during my layover | 19:34 |
jeblair | asselin_, krtaylor ++ | 19:34 |
fungi | there was a point at which we speculated that gertty's polling frequency might be too high and could put increased load on gerrit... anyway to confirm whether its increased popularity is/isn't contributing? | 19:34 |
pleia2 | krtaylor: I'm not core, but I should be around during the sprint and can help out with reviews | 19:35 |
clarkb | I have since end of september looks like in melody | 19:35 |
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clarkb | and there is a definite positive slope on the memory graph | 19:35 |
krtaylor | pleia2, great, thanks! | 19:35 |
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nibalizer | pleia2: im happy to be a resource on zanata/puppet stuff | 19:36 |
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jeblair | clarkb: that does sound leaky; is that the last restart? | 19:36 |
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clarkb | jeblair: maybe? I need to read ps manpage t oconfirm :) ps -elf says 2014 | 19:36 |
jeblair | heh | 19:37 |
pleia2 | nibalizer: thanks, I've appreciated your review thus far :) | 19:37 |
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asselin_ | clarkb, http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Business-Service-Management-BAC/Plugging-the-leaks-Blog-3-A-novel-approach/ba-p/5410775#.VL6uV0cVgh8 | 19:37 |
jeblair | clarkb: maybe restarting right now would give us info | 19:37 |
asselin_ | clarkb, there's a free 'profiler' mode that should work | 19:37 |
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jeblair | clarkb: should we try that now? | 19:39 |
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clarkb | jeblair: restart was december 6th | 19:40 |
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clarkb | let me look at graph again knowing that | 19:40 |
clarkb | ya looks like there is a fall in memory use right around then and about a week later it picks up in a large tick then again in a couple weeks | 19:41 |
fungi | ftr, `ps -o pid,lstart` is the magic for seeing a proper start time | 19:41 |
clarkb | jeblair: so at very least it may be a good tempoary fix to restart gerrit | 19:41 |
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jeblair | yeah, i think it would be useful to know if a restart makes it better, and how long it takes for it to get worse (and whether we can correlate that with anything) | 19:42 |
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jeblair | i think this meeting has about wound down... any last items before we call it done? | 19:42 |
clarkb | ok I can do that now someone want to kick statusbot? | 19:42 |
jeblair | clarkb: will do | 19:43 |
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fungi | oh, while we have a bunch of foundation people in a room together as a captive audience, anyone have anything they want us to make them generally aware of which you think they might not be? | 19:43 |
clarkb | jeblair: do I need to do anything to make zuul not freak out or just roll the dice? | 19:43 |
jeblair | fungi: thank them for the web site work? :) | 19:44 |
fungi | zuul _seems_ to reconnect fine | 19:44 |
clarkb | ya I think its more if zuul tries to report while gerrit is restarting that it may have a sad | 19:44 |
fungi | jeblair: yes! it's even on the roadmap in the master slide deck to achieve "infra team parity" by end of 2015 | 19:44 |
clarkb | zuul is processing a small queue backlog maybe I should wait | 19:44 |
fungi | so hoping to help make that goal a reality | 19:44 |
jeblair | woot! | 19:45 |
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clarkb | except zuul is probably slow processing that due to slow gerrit | 19:45 |
clarkb | ok I am not waiting just going to restart | 19:45 |
jeblair | thanks everyone, see you at next week's meeting and sprint | 19:45 |
jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 19:46:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-01-20-19.02.html | 19:46 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-01-20-19.02.txt | 19:46 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-01-20-19.02.log.html | 19:46 |
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit restarted to address likely memory leak leading to server slowness. Sorry if you were caught in the restart | 19:53 | |
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mikal | ttx: meeting, yes? | 20:00 |
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fungi | yes, he's logging in now | 20:01 |
clarkb | mikal: yes he just arrived to room with wifi | 20:01 |
mikal | Ahhh, ok | 20:01 |
dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
mikal | Fairy nuff | 20:01 |
devananda | \o | 20:01 |
zehicle | o/ | 20:01 |
haypo | _o/ | 20:01 |
russellb | _o_ | 20:01 |
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mikal | russellb: is that you head desking? | 20:02 |
jeblair | o/ | 20:02 |
sdague | o/ | 20:02 |
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russellb | or offering a hug? | 20:02 |
russellb | not sure | 20:02 |
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fungi | he's struggling with conference room wifi, just another moment or two | 20:02 |
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jeblair | fungi: you could type for him | 20:03 |
fungi | (moment is a very specific unit of time, however i refuse to define it for you) | 20:03 |
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mordred | o/ | 20:03 |
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zaneb | fungi: we need more running commentary | 20:04 |
ttx | o/ | 20:04 |
ttx | yay I made it | 20:04 |
russellb | \o/ | 20:04 |
mikal | Yay! | 20:04 |
dhellmann | woo! | 20:04 |
ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 20:04:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
ttx | sorry for the delay | 20:04 |
* dhellmann knew he could do it | 20:04 | |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:04 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:04 |
ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:04 |
ttx | zehicle: you around? | 20:04 |
zehicle | yy | 20:05 |
ttx | #topic Next Defcore steps (zehicle) | 20:05 |
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ttx | zehicle: looks like we have amendments passed? | 20:05 |
zehicle | Yeah! The bylaws changed :) | 20:05 |
ttx | so what's up? | 20:05 |
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zehicle | so, they said that we would have a process to change the core | 20:05 |
zehicle | and that process would be approved by the TC and Board before it could be implmented | 20:05 |
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jokke_ | o/ | 20:06 |
zehicle | so, DefCore is working to write that stuff down in a process-y way | 20:06 |
zehicle | and then bring it back to TC and Board for more discussion | 20:06 |
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zehicle | I was hoping that we'd have some official TC delegates to work w/ DefCore on that definition | 20:06 |
ttx | zehicle: that's the process to communicate changes in "TC approved releases" right | 20:06 |
vishy | o/ | 20:06 |
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zehicle | yes | 20:07 |
ttx | like make sure we don't remove stuff from it without a lot of advance notice | 20:07 |
zehicle | +1 | 20:07 |
ttx | zehicle: One interesting twist to the tags stuff is that we would express those "Tc-approved releases" using a tag | 20:07 |
zehicle | the primary artifacts are JSON files with the capabilities and sections | 20:07 |
ttx | rather than with the blanket "integrated release" thing | 20:07 |
zehicle | possibly - was not trying to work out the details of how just yet | 20:07 |
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zaneb | we need to hook everyone up to electrodes that shock them every time they say 'core' on IRC ;) | 20:08 |
ttx | so we can probably align the requirements with that tag definition | 20:08 |
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zehicle | not sure there's enough power | 20:08 |
mordred | yah - I think the ask is "who from the TC wants to dive in on the definition?" | 20:08 |
zehicle | mordred, yes | 20:08 |
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ttx | Is anyone interested in participating to that ? | 20:08 |
mordred | it's possible that there are process elements that have important ramifications based on current or new TC process - but those details would be worked out by this group, yeah? | 20:08 |
zehicle | I'm happy to discuss more details here too, but having butts in seats is first | 20:08 |
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mordred | I would be happy to participate - but my track record in being able to show up at defcore meetings is very low | 20:09 |
ttx | I can try -- usually the time of the meetings is a bit EU-unfriendly but I'm fine helping out | 20:09 |
mikal | Would it make sense to trick one of the people on the board and TC into working on that? | 20:09 |
zehicle | If I know who's in, then we'll adjust timing | 20:09 |
annegentle | and by trick you mean... | 20:09 |
mikal | I was thinking russellb would enjoy this | 20:09 |
ttx | yay, our BoD+TC members would make ideal candidates | 20:09 |
ttx | (that would be russellb, vishy and mordred) | 20:09 |
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zehicle | only if they have the time to put into it | 20:10 |
russellb | sure | 20:10 |
zehicle | not likely to be crazy work, but we do need someone who can help with the workflow that works well with the community process | 20:10 |
ttx | how about russellb and mordred as main correspondants + ttx as a backup | 20:10 |
mordred | kk | 20:11 |
russellb | wfm | 20:11 |
mordred | although I cannot attend this friday | 20:11 |
ttx | I'm happy to leave the seat to anyone though, so feel free to steal it :) | 20:11 |
mordred | or whichever the day is that zehicle is doodling for | 20:11 |
zehicle | mordred, that's ok. we'll set the agenda and discuss | 20:11 |
ttx | zehicle: anything else ? | 20:11 |
zehicle | two smaller items | 20:11 |
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zehicle | 1) we are considering moving the capabilities/secitons JSON out of refstack and looking for recommendations. | 20:12 |
ttx | #info Defcore Board/TC co-approved process design: russellb and mordred as main correspondants + ttx as a backup | 20:12 |
zehicle | that will be part of the DefCore disucssion. no need to resolve now. Just letting everyone know it will be discussed | 20:12 |
ttx | zehicle: who has final approval on that ? Board ? | 20:12 |
zehicle | 2) making sure there's visibility on RefStack / TestIDs / Tempest interactions | 20:12 |
zehicle | ttx, TC first and then Board | 20:13 |
zehicle | that was my reading of the bylaws changes | 20:13 |
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zehicle | I am thinking it makes sense to put it on the Joint agenda for May in Vancouver and do it together | 20:13 |
ttx | ok | 20:13 |
zehicle | so #2, the process really needs to tests identities to be stable across releases - so it's important to have GUIDs for tests | 20:14 |
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zehicle | I know that's more Tempest team, but there are cross project impacts so I wanted to make sure it was on the TC radar | 20:15 |
ttx | zehicle: could you describe the impacts in some ML post ? | 20:15 |
ttx | so that we can start thinking about that ? | 20:15 |
zehicle | sure. O | 20:15 |
zehicle | there's a patch out there, I'll send the link | 20:16 |
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sdague | there was a session in Paris on it as well, the current progress is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144329/2/specs/meta-data-and-uuid-for-tests.rst,cm this spec proposal | 20:16 |
zehicle | sdague, thanks. yes | 20:16 |
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ttx | #action zehicle to introduce refstack/tempest needs impact in a ML post to discuss in a subsequent meeting | 20:16 |
ttx | zehicle: anything else ? | 20:16 |
zehicle | that's the main items for me | 20:16 |
zehicle | timing is tight to get this done before Vancouver | 20:17 |
ttx | zehicle: alright! Thanks for coming | 20:17 |
zehicle | :) | 20:17 |
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ttx | no kidding | 20:17 |
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annegentle | thanks zehicle | 20:17 |
ttx | #topic Project structure reform | 20:17 |
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ttx | * Template for tags definition (https://review.openstack.org/145734) | 20:17 |
ttx | This one now has hte required votes, so I'll approve it right now | 20:17 |
ttx | checking for any recent -1 | 20:17 |
devananda | ttx: it looks like it was updated without addressing comments on the last rev? | 20:18 |
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devananda | ttx: was that intentional? to be clear, I think the current wording is good, though I thought it could use a little more | 20:18 |
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ttx | devananda: no, I just missed it | 20:18 |
devananda | I can toss that up in a follow on ... | 20:18 |
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devananda | no need to hold this up | 20:19 |
ttx | devananda: How about we propose those as subsequent chnages ? | 20:19 |
ttx | ok | 20:19 |
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ttx | I'll approve it now, we can add examples as a subsequent change | 20:19 |
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sarob | Ttx: examples will be good | 20:20 |
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ttx | FWIW I expec tthe tag template to evolve as we define more of those | 20:20 |
ttx | * Definition of the initial 'integrated-release' tag | 20:20 |
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sarob | Ttx: I should have PM feedback next Monday | 20:20 |
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ttx | This one has 8 votes, ready to approve unless someone objects | 20:21 |
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ttx | I'll take that as a "no obejction" | 20:22 |
ttx | On tag application (https://review.openstack.org/146818) last week we discussed a format that would allow a payload / reference | 20:22 |
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ttx | Something like: 'integrated-release: bexar' | 20:22 |
ttx | Feel free to suggest on the review other ways to store extra information -- if you don't I'll try to find something | 20:22 |
dhellmann | I like eglynn's proposal of using a dictionary or sub-dictionary | 20:23 |
jeblair | ++ | 20:23 |
jeblair | (ime that works really well in yaml) | 20:23 |
ttx | reading now, missed it earlier | 20:23 |
devananda | ++ | 20:23 |
annegentle | so tags are applied in programs.yaml? | 20:23 |
dhellmann | annegentle: right | 20:24 |
jeblair | heh, i guess it should be 'mv'd to projects.yaml :) | 20:24 |
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dhellmann | ttx: I have some time on a plane this week, so if we can settle on a format I can work on some code to render tables | 20:24 |
ttx | it is moved | 20:24 |
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ttx | in the next review | 20:24 |
annegentle | and you're renaming it right :) heh jeblair types faster than I | 20:24 |
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ttx | hmm, ok, I'll try to post a new rev with the dict model soon | 20:24 |
mordred | annegentle: jeblair types faster than everyone | 20:25 |
annegentle | mordred: noted | 20:25 |
ttx | jeblair: I suspect we need to define the dictionary in the tag definition too | 20:25 |
dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:25 |
dhellmann | either there, or in another yaml file (that would make validation easier) | 20:25 |
jeblair | ttx: agreed | 20:25 |
ttx | so maybe that can be proposed as a tag template evolution and be retrofit in the just-approved integrated-release tag | 20:25 |
ttx | I should probably have held on approval, oh well | 20:26 |
russellb | this won't be the only thing we need to tweak as we go | 20:26 |
russellb | no big deal | 20:26 |
ttx | Yes I'd rather make progress and fix thatn hold on forever | 20:26 |
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ttx | #action ttx to propose the version with dictionary, unless someone beats him to it | 20:27 |
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ttx | * Move from program-based structure to project-based (including new projects requirements) (https://review.openstack.org/145740) | 20:27 |
annegentle | I'd like tags defined elsewhere to not overload projects.yaml (nee programs.yaml) | 20:27 |
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annegentle | I had questions on that | 20:27 |
annegentle | that would probably be easiest to discuss here | 20:28 |
ttx | annegentle: you would duplicate the list of projects if it was in a separate file | 20:28 |
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ttx | On the 145740 one, I posted a new rev clarifying the "logged IRC meetings" requirement. | 20:29 |
annegentle | ttx: I guess a document explaining the tags would meet my need | 20:29 |
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ttx | Still waiting on more reviews to make progress here | 20:29 |
dhellmann | ttx: I took that to mean the fields expected for each tag, not the associations of the tags with the projects | 20:29 |
ttx | dhellmann: reading your recent comment | 20:29 |
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ttx | dhellmann: that would belong to the tag definition document, no ? | 20:29 |
annegentle | so are tags applied to projects or repos? | 20:30 |
ttx | to repos | 20:30 |
dhellmann | ttx: I thought that's what annegentle was saying, but maybe I misread | 20:30 |
annegentle | so... why maintain tags on projects? | 20:30 |
annegentle | not all of the docs repos are going to be in the docs project I imagine | 20:30 |
ttx | well, projects is a bit overloaded | 20:30 |
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ttx | project teams on one side, repositories on the other | 20:30 |
annegentle | so I'm thinking through it that way. | 20:30 |
ttx | you describe project teams and the list of their repositories | 20:31 |
annegentle | for example, the security team owns the security-doc repo, do they get added to projects.yaml in order to be tagged? | 20:31 |
ttx | annegentle: take Nova as an example | 20:31 |
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ttx | Nova is the project team, openstack/nova and openstack/python-novaclient are repositories | 20:31 |
annegentle | then do my example :) | 20:31 |
ttx | Only openstack/nova would get the compute-base tag if we define such thing | 20:31 |
dhellmann | annegentle: I would expect so, yes. | 20:31 |
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annegentle | so does the security team need to elect a ptl? | 20:32 |
ttx | annegentle: they already do | 20:32 |
annegentle | but they're not in programs.yaml now right | 20:32 |
ttx | annegentle: it's a bit of a corner case -- the securityt-doc repo was sponsored by the docs team | 20:32 |
dhellmann | perhaps that's an oversight? | 20:32 |
annegentle | but no longer in the new era I am supposing | 20:32 |
ttx | so technically it belongs to docs currently | 20:33 |
ttx | in the new era, it would be easier to let them be a team | 20:33 |
ttx | and let them own that repo | 20:33 |
annegentle | I sense the same | 20:33 |
ttx | as long as we agree they fit the requirements | 20:33 |
ttx | requirements we are currently defining :) | 20:33 |
annegentle | how does a cross project ptl then choose what to tag as "supported?" | 20:34 |
annegentle | seems heavy on individual ptl | 20:34 |
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ttx | annegentle: not sure I understand the question | 20:34 |
ttx | annegentle: the team should suppor what it's fine supporting ? | 20:34 |
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ttx | dhellmann: thanks for the feedback, that's the kind of stuff I need before I make up the next rev | 20:35 |
annegentle | okay that'll still have the ptl deciding L2 L3 and so on for neturon, right/ | 20:35 |
dhellmann | I thought we were avoiding "supported" tags -- cross-projects teams need to be willing to "support" everything, even if they don't do the work directly | 20:35 |
devananda | annegentle: why would doc repos not be in the doc project? | 20:35 |
ttx | other members: if you feel something is missing or out of place, feel free to suggest it changed in the review | 20:35 |
devananda | annegentle: and still have a doc-team-applied tag, i mean | 20:35 |
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ttx | dhellmann: yes, "supported" might not be the best term for it | 20:36 |
annegentle | devananda: currently there are repos that are not directly supported by the doc team, like training is "incubating" somewhat in the doc programs.yaml | 20:36 |
dhellmann | ok | 20:36 |
annegentle | Ok I'll note "let's not say supported" in the review where it's relevant | 20:36 |
ttx | We support everyone, we directly handle a subset | 20:36 |
devananda | ttx: I believe we've used the word "supported" in the past to mean directly-handled | 20:37 |
annegentle | "you belong on docs.openstack.org, do the work to get there" is more what I'm thinking? | 20:37 |
dhellmann | annegentle: so that would be a "published to docs.openstack.org" tag? That seems like a good one. | 20:37 |
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annegentle | dhellmann: right I think that's the heart/root of it | 20:37 |
fungi | this sounds more along the lines of the "production ready" tag discussion | 20:37 |
devananda | perhaps a generic "supported-by-<teamname>" tag type is helpful here? | 20:37 |
fungi | (but with a docs twist) | 20:38 |
devananda | or are we solving a problem that doesn't really exist | 20:38 |
dhellmann | annegentle: although I'd hope under this new structure everyone "belonged" there :-) | 20:38 |
ttx | yeah, I think we can cross that bridge when the first of such tags will be proposed | 20:38 |
ttx | it will likely set policy for most of them | 20:38 |
devananda | is it meaningful to anyone outside of the TC and PTLs to know which team is writing which docs? | 20:38 |
sdague | devananda: I'm not sure that's a problem that exists, because at least for me the envisioned consumers of these are deployers | 20:38 |
devananda | or who is writing what client? | 20:38 |
sdague | it should be deployer / user relevant info | 20:38 |
annegentle | dhellmann: it is a big tent but people have to do the work is all I'm trying to indicate. Then it feels like "earn the tag" and then we're back to subjective unless we can test doc coverage automatically. | 20:38 |
devananda | sdague: right | 20:38 |
ttx | sdague: ++ | 20:38 |
devananda | so which team wrote the docs in this repo is irrelevant to them | 20:39 |
dhellmann | annegentle: right, not everyone is "ready" but everyone should be "invited" | 20:39 |
devananda | ditto for python clients | 20:39 |
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sdague | devananda: yeh, but a url to their user manual, install guide, developers guide are all relevant | 20:39 |
ttx | I think we can save that discussion for when we'll propose such a tag, like in a few meetings | 20:39 |
ttx | we have more topics to cover | 20:39 |
devananda | ttx: ack | 20:40 |
ttx | Please post your comments on the proposed requirements though, I'd like to get to a more precise proposal next week | 20:40 |
annegentle | tags can be used by: contributor developers (what should I work on?), operators (what should I run in production?), users and app devs (what does my cloud provider offer that's OpenStacky?) and yep I'll summarize in a review | 20:40 |
ttx | and I know there is no concsensus on some of those (like the oslo requirement Doug just proposed added) | 20:40 |
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ttx | #topic Adding python clients to global requirements (boris42) | 20:41 |
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ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054275.html | 20:41 |
ttx | do we have boris42 around? | 20:41 |
haypo | boris-42: ping | 20:41 |
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ttx | It feels like projects.txt is used for two purposes: tracking integrated release deps and converging deps across projects | 20:42 |
ttx | and some tension results from that | 20:42 |
haypo | ttx: (boris-42 is idle since 1 hour according to my IRC client) | 20:42 |
sdague | ttx: agreed | 20:42 |
mordred | yah | 20:42 |
devananda | ttx: yes. I've hit that before as well | 20:42 |
ttx | I mean, deps convergence is a noble goal | 20:42 |
devananda | the original goal AIUI was only #2 | 20:42 |
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devananda | ensuring that all the projects could be installed in one environment | 20:42 |
devananda | though I think mordred had another idea how we could address that | 20:43 |
mordred | fwiw - I don't have a problem with the theory of doing that with the noble goal of convergence - but I do worry about adding more things that have non-managed transitive deps that could get into conflict | 20:43 |
sdague | devananda: it was also keeping sanity on what that was | 20:43 |
devananda | with an install-everythihng job | 20:43 |
ttx | devananda: how sustainable is that in a world where more projects exist ? | 20:43 |
devananda | wich would let us get away from using requirements.txt to fulfil that goal | 20:43 |
devananda | and let it become #1 | 20:43 |
dhellmann | devananda: except the integrated release is going away, so do we care about #1 any more? | 20:43 |
clarkb | so I don't think it should be #1 at all | 20:43 |
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clarkb | you track individual project deps in the project requirements lists | 20:44 |
devananda | dhellmann: we still care that certain things can be installed together | 20:44 |
mordred | I agree - I think it's about #2 - ensuring side-by-side ability | 20:44 |
clarkb | then global reqs is a sanity check for things that want to be openstacky | 20:44 |
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devananda | clarkb: individual project deps are bound by global requirements | 20:44 |
dhellmann | devananda: certainly, but that's not going to be limited to the integrated release | 20:44 |
clarkb | dhellmann: yes | 20:44 |
mordred | it's just that it turns out it's SO MUCH HARDER than we thought | 20:44 |
clarkb | er devananda yes | 20:44 |
devananda | clarkb: that is the problem which I thihnk boris is trying to solve | 20:44 |
mordred | even just in the integrated release | 20:44 |
ttx | would we track common deps for "whatever gets gate-tested together" separately from "general deps convergence in openstack projects" ? | 20:44 |
sdague | well, part of the practical challenge is this is kind of an n^2 problem | 20:44 |
clarkb | devananda: I don'tthink it is a problem just let things in | 20:45 |
devananda | clarkb: fwiw, i've hit the same thing in ironic, and we worked around it in the same way | 20:45 |
mordred | we spend SO MUCH TIME dealing with pip and pypi releated challenges | 20:45 |
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sdague | where n is the number of things in that list | 20:45 |
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clarkb | if they meet the technical criteria that are established | 20:45 |
devananda | clarkb: adding importutils.tryimport and the like, for modules that are not in global requirements | 20:45 |
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clarkb | py3k support, not duplicated functionality, licensing, etc | 20:45 |
devananda | it's hard on packagers and deployers | 20:45 |
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clarkb | devananda: why? projects determine actual dependencies | 20:45 |
devananda | as they have to install additional things, not listed in the requjirements.txt file | 20:45 |
jeblair | clarkb: i agree. i think if we have a big tent, then we let more things in here, but it's still useful for projects to try to converge on one set | 20:45 |
fungi | i would say the biggest challenge is finding enough people to do meaningful reviews of proposed additions/updates to avoid it turning into a free-for-all mess | 20:45 |
mordred | yah | 20:46 |
devananda | clarkb: I can't add something to ironic/requirements.txt if it's not in global requirements | 20:46 |
dhellmann | fungi: ++ | 20:46 |
mordred | ultimately, we can set all the policy we want | 20:46 |
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dhellmann | devananda: you can if you configure your d-g job to allow soft requirements | 20:46 |
clarkb | devananda: yes... I am saying add things if they meet the criteria | 20:46 |
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clarkb | I don't like that the criteria goes beyond the technical list for choosing | 20:46 |
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devananda | dhellmann: these are things which aren't needed in d-g | 20:47 |
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devananda | dhellmann: eg, hardware drivers that we dont (and cant) test upstream | 20:47 |
devananda | but a distro may well want to make them available as packages, not just pip installs | 20:47 |
jeblair | devananda: then it's not really a requirement, is it? | 20:47 |
dhellmann | devananda: there are ways to get those into your test env, but yeah, what jeblair said | 20:47 |
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devananda | jeblair: it is if you own that hardware | 20:48 |
sdague | jeblair: except if the goal is for the software to coexist, driver dependencies do matter | 20:48 |
sdague | which has been a giant punt at this point | 20:48 |
sdague | and every project does it differently | 20:48 |
jeblair | i'm sorry, i thought we were literally talking about the pip _requirements_ for projects | 20:48 |
sdague | some put them in requirements, some in test-requirements, some in no where | 20:48 |
dhellmann | are you suggesting we should include those requirements in this list, too? | 20:49 |
devananda | I didn't mean to derail from boris-42 's topic -- but I think it's closely related | 20:49 |
dhellmann | yeah, I'm just trying to understand all of the issues being raised | 20:49 |
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mordred | I agree actually - I think g-r is going through a midle identity crisis | 20:50 |
devananda | for instance, the inclusion of python-ironicclient in nova's requirements.txt | 20:50 |
mordred | mild | 20:50 |
mordred | not midle - that's not a world | 20:50 |
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mordred | or a word | 20:50 |
sdague | :) | 20:50 |
devananda | it's a requirement ONLY if you want to use that driver | 20:50 |
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jeblair | devananda: yeah, not saying it's not important, but i don't think it is solved well in python in general, and there's not much we can do about that here | 20:50 |
devananda | but then, today, you have to go install python0ironicclient by hand | 20:50 |
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devananda | since it doesn't get caught by pip install -r requirements | 20:50 |
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devananda | and yah, we work around that in d-g | 20:51 |
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devananda | (er, in devstack somewhere) | 20:51 |
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ttx | So what's the next step for us in solving that mild identity crisis ? | 20:51 |
sdague | yeh, there is actually a bunch of work arounds in devstack for the driver issue | 20:51 |
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fungi | for the thread boris-42 started on the ml though, it distills to "rally wants to test lots of things, so the clients it needs to interact with anything it tests should become an openstack requirement" which seems like a slippery slope | 20:52 |
clarkb | thats orthogonal. The issue at hand is whether or not we should relax the criteria for proper pip requirements in global requiirements repo | 20:52 |
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clarkb | was responding to the ironicclient discussion not fungi | 20:52 |
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clarkb | and I think it is reasonable to add requirements to g-r if they are used by openstack projects and otherwise meet the criteria | 20:52 |
dhellmann | devananda: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/#required-extension-handling (when implemented) would help with that | 20:52 |
devananda | fungi: the solution to that seems to be for rally to just install those clients in its test env? | 20:52 |
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mordred | dhellmann: yah - that's gonna be a ways off though | 20:53 |
fungi | devananda: that was one proposed solution, yes | 20:53 |
dhellmann | mordred: yeah | 20:53 |
ttx | OK, this feels like a discussion we should develop on the ML -- anyone volunteering to kick it off ? Or should we just build on top of boris thread ? | 20:53 |
jeblair | yeah, i think boris-42's topic is solved by the soft requirements feature. i don't think that's actionable by us. however, i think the question of what do do with g-r in a big tent is interesting, and i think we should loosen the criteria as clarkb suggests | 20:53 |
sdague | ttx: I think the thread is there | 20:53 |
* mordred is happy for g-r to be more inclusive from a "if you're going to use library X if needs to be version Y" filter from a policy perspective - but would realy like to dig in to the technical problem that g-r is solving and whether it's even the right way to do that | 20:53 | |
mordred | especially in a big-tent world | 20:54 |
zaneb | jeblair: +1 | 20:54 |
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dhellmann | mordred: yeah, I'd be interested to see if the requirements compile thing in http://nvie.com/posts/better-package-management/ helps | 20:54 |
clarkb | except we shouldn't be testing with compiked packages | 20:55 |
ttx | OK, we need to move on | 20:55 |
mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 20:55 |
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dhellmann | clarkb: it compiles the requirements list itself, not the packages | 20:55 |
dhellmann | "compile" is used very loosely there -- read the post | 20:55 |
ttx | jeblair/clarkb: could one of you follow up on the thread suggesting loosening ? | 20:55 |
ttx | want to make sure we don't let this one drop back below radar | 20:55 |
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clarkb | ya I can respond | 20:56 |
* fungi already followed up on the thread, which i think is part of what prompted it to get added to the agenda for this meeting :/ | 20:56 | |
ttx | clarkb: thx | 20:56 |
ttx | Let's quickly cover/skip the rest of the agenda | 20:56 |
ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:56 |
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ttx | * Correct formatting on some extra ATCs entries (https://review.openstack.org/147672) | 20:56 |
ttx | This is mostly cosmetic, so I'll approve it after meeting unless someone complains | 20:56 |
ttx | * Update David Chadwick ATC expiration (https://review.openstack.org/147673) | 20:56 |
ttx | This one has +1 from PTL, so I think we can approve it at the end of this meeting, unless someone complains | 20:56 |
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ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:57 |
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ttx | vishy: I fear we don't have a lot of time left | 20:57 |
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ttx | maybe yo ucan introduce the topic again | 20:57 |
vishy | that’s ok | 20:57 |
mikal | Use your minute wisely | 20:57 |
ttx | * How to drive more resources to critical oslo libs (vishy) | 20:57 |
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vishy | I’m concerned that some key oslo libraries aren’t getting the attention | 20:57 |
vishy | they need | 20:58 |
haypo | so just accept my change to add aioeventlet dependency :-D https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138750/ | 20:58 |
vishy | despite dhellmann’s excellent efforts | 20:58 |
devananda | dhellmann: are you doing much on the aio work? it looks similar to what we're doing in Ironic, but probably better thought out | 20:58 |
devananda | haypo: ohhai :) | 20:58 |
dhellmann | devananda: I'm not involved in that directly right now. haypo is leading that up. | 20:58 |
haypo | dhellmann told me that a cross-project spec should we written for asyncio, is that right? | 20:58 |
vishy | oslo.db seems ok due to mike bayer putting a lot of work into it | 20:58 |
ttx | #action ttx to move trollius discussion to next week meeting agenda | 20:58 |
vishy | but oslo.messaging in particular seems lite | 20:58 |
dhellmann | vishy: messaging could use some love -- we have a lot of part-timers working on it | 20:58 |
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dhellmann | as far as I know, I am the only person working on Oslo full time | 20:59 |
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devananda | dhellmann: is anyone working on oslo'ifying nova objects? | 20:59 |
vishy | its a bit scary since it is a key piece of all openstack | 20:59 |
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russellb | i think mike bayer feels like he has a hard time getting his stuff in, needing reviewers though | 20:59 |
dhellmann | bnemec, dims__, jd__, flaper87, and the other cores do great work, but have less time | 20:59 |
dhellmann | vishy: ++ | 20:59 |
vishy | there is a bug currently that makes rabbit reconnect not work properly | 20:59 |
markmcclain | vishy: ++ | 20:59 |
ttx | haypo: in the mean time we can have more discussion on the review | 20:59 |
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vishy | it was totally broken for a very long time | 20:59 |
dhellmann | we have also, because of the graduation push, been focusing on that work rather than feature work for most of the libs for the kilo and juno | 21:00 |
ttx | haypo: sorry it couldn't fit in today | 21:00 |
* dims_ peeks | 21:00 | |
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dhellmann | so, yeah, we could use more help :-) | 21:00 |
vishy | so perhaps there is some way we could encourage corporate entitites to help a bit more | 21:00 |
haypo | ttx: well, i don't know what i should add to the review. you may put questions there if you want | 21:00 |
* devananda wishes he had more time to review oslo.db | 21:00 | |
vishy | i don’t have any solutions per se | 21:00 |
fungi | oslo definitely seems like a place we risk tragedy of the commons | 21:00 |
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vishy | so if anyone has ideas :) | 21:01 |
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ttx | vishy: an "oslo is important and needs yor help" blogpost would help | 21:01 |
russellb | i'd retweet that :-p | 21:01 |
vishy | sounds like an interesting idea | 21:01 |
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dims_ | hehe | 21:01 |
dims_ | +1 | 21:01 |
vishy | maybe I will try to put something together | 21:01 |
ttx | It's certainly time for us to refmect back on what a critical piece oslo has become | 21:01 |
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dhellmann | messaging isn't going to benefit from drive-by reviewers, though -- I would rather have 1-2 people really interested than 10 with a few minutes here and there | 21:02 |
ttx | and make it shiny and encourage people to dedicate resources to it | 21:02 |
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ttx | ok, we are over teim | 21:02 |
ttx | time even | 21:02 |
ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:02 |
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ttx | last minute words ? | 21:02 |
dhellmann | vishy: thanks for raising the issue :-) | 21:02 |
annegentle | flibbertyjibbitz | 21:02 |
jeblair | ttx: thanks! | 21:02 |
ttx | annegentle: is that your password ? | 21:03 |
ttx | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:03 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 21:03:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-01-20-20.04.html | 21:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-01-20-20.04.txt | 21:03 |
russellb | thanks all | 21:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-01-20-20.04.log.html | 21:03 |
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jeblair | annegentle is either really good or really bad at 'last minute words'.... :) | 21:03 |
ttx | thanks all | 21:03 |
mikal | See ya | 21:03 |
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ttx | Remember we skip the Cross-project meeting this week | 21:03 |
ttx | Ocean is waiting | 21:03 |
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jokke_ | ttx: oh, we do? | 21:03 |
eglynn | a-ha, k | 21:04 |
asalkeld | /me heads back to bed | 21:04 |
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* eglynn too :) | 21:04 | |
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ttx | yes, I posted about it on the -dev list | 21:04 |
ttx | Sorry if you missed the notification | 21:04 |
jokke_ | damn ... missed it ... no worries then | 21:04 |
asalkeld | just habbit | 21:04 |
ttx | I didn't want to keep you all awake | 21:04 |
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anteaya | ttx enjoy ocean | 21:04 |
eglynn | no worries, talk to y'all next week | 21:04 |
annegentle | ttx: jeblair: channelling dumbledore there for a minute | 21:04 |
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