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asalkeld#startmeeting heat12:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 12:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'12:00
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asalkeldanyone about?12:01
asalkeld#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda12:01
zanebo/12:01
ryansb\p12:02
ryansb\o12:02
skraynevo/12:02
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asalkeldi'll wait a bit, small crowd12:03
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BillArnoldhi12:03
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skraynevasalkeld: sigh12:03
pas-hao/12:03
asalkeld#topic  Review action items from last meeting12:04
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zanebananta: about?12:04
anantaHi12:04
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zanebexcellent12:05
asalkeldthere was one old action for me to email re: meetup12:05
asalkeldstill not done, not sure if it is needed tho'12:05
asalkeldanyway moving on...12:05
asalkeld#topic Adding items to the agenda12:05
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asalkeldzaneb, more convergence discussion at the end?12:06
zanebyes please12:06
asalkeldk12:06
asalkeld#topic Remove deprecation properties12:06
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asalkeldskraynev I assume ^12:07
skraynevsure, Just want collect more feedback about this email topic http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054645.html12:07
skraynevasalkeld and shrady already answered, so other opinions are welcome12:07
asalkeldskraynev, so given that these templates are stored12:07
skraynevs/shrady/shardy12:08
asalkeldit is really tricky to truely remove12:08
zanebI agree with asalkeld's mail12:08
asalkeldunless it can be dynamically converted12:08
skraynevI had a suggestion about how to make it "short"12:08
zanebI don't see how we can ever ditch this stuff completely12:09
pas-hacould we forbid only stack creation with some properties, but still support update/delete?12:09
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asalkeldpas-ha, maybe?12:10
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asalkeldit's going to get messy12:10
ryansbI feel like that would be really annoying for users who (say) clean migrated to a new openstack installation12:10
skraynevpas-ha: and preview and template validate too, I suppose12:10
pas-haskraynev, yes, only those that assme some non-existing-yet stack12:11
zanebpas-ha: I think if you put the check in the validate() call, then it will have that effect12:11
asalkeldskraynev, there is no easy answer here other than come up with a really clever idea and sell it to us12:11
zanebthat is, Resource.validate()12:11
pas-havalidate is also done on update, no?12:12
asalkeldyes it is12:12
zanebpas-ha: we don't validate the old one on update, only the new one12:12
zanebat least, we shouldn't12:12
asalkeldzaneb, rollback?12:12
pas-haaha, so forbid updates that use "deprecated" properties too12:12
zanebasalkeld: I don't think so12:12
asalkeldwe just grab the old template and update12:12
zanebnothing calls validate as a side effect any more12:13
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zanebit's done explicitly by create_stack and validate_template12:13
asalkeldok, that could end up been a problem tho'12:13
asalkeldif this exact problem comes up, operator updates12:14
asalkeldand property disapears12:14
skraynevso how will be look whole deprecation process? 1. we mark it as deprecated, 2. then add migration. 3. what we plan to do after 3 releases after that?12:14
zanebright, it can12:14
zanebright, it can't disappear12:14
asalkeldjust make it "invisible"12:14
zanebbut we can start failing validation on it so that new stacks don't get created with deprecated properties12:15
pas-haso, what do we care exactly about? which upgrade scenario would we enforce/recommend?12:15
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asalkeldpas-ha, yeah "the how we do this"12:15
asalkelddo we do a migrate and how12:16
asalkeldetc...12:16
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asalkeldskraynev, anything more to talk about?12:16
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skraynevhm..12:16
skraynevnot sure, that fully understand what we plan to do after 2 releases12:17
asalkeld1. don't ever totally remove properties12:17
asalkeld2. maybe get smart and migrate to new properties12:17
pas-hawhat if we move "deprecated" to "not supported" after deprecation period? how will it affect at least old stack deletion?12:17
asalkeld3. validate on create (don't allow old properties)12:18
skraynevpas-ha: do't think that deletion is a problem case12:18
skraynevthe most important it's rollback12:19
asalkeld4. don't rename properties unless really needed?12:19
skraynevdeletion will work independent from properties12:19
pas-hanot sure why upgrade when some stacks are IN_PROGRESS12:19
skraynevasalkeld: № 4  ++++12:19
asalkeldanything controversial there?12:19
zanebskraynev: I believe that's correct12:20
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asalkeldwhen resources start looking old, maybe it's better to create a new resource12:20
skraynevasalkeld: no. last question: what about my last suggestion to move deprecated property in option of property?12:21
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pas-hayay, resource versioning :)12:21
skraynevasalkeld: not always....12:21
asalkeldreading back12:21
zanebpas-ha: I know randallburt was keen to have that, not sure what's happening with it though12:22
skraynevasalkeld: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054739.html12:22
skraynevthis one ^12:22
asalkeldskraynev, yeah that might work12:23
zanebskraynev: I like that and I think you should try implmenting it12:23
zanebit may be harder than you'd hope12:23
asalkeldlike oslo.config12:23
pas-hazaneb, ok, agree for large deployment you don't want to pause everybody on upgrade in ideal case12:23
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asalkeldI am going to move on12:24
asalkeld#topic kilo-212:24
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skraynevzaneb: it's always, only hard ideas :)12:24
asalkeld#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-212:24
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asalkeldjpeeler, lazy loading?12:24
asalkeldwhat's up with that?12:24
skraynevasalkeld, zaneb: ok, I will sent email with summarization results :)12:25
asalkeldthanks skraynev12:25
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asalkeldzaneb, you know where jpeeler is with that?12:25
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zanebI don't, sorry12:25
asalkeldmmm12:25
zanebI suspect he's busy with other stuff12:25
asalkelddecouple-nested it going to be tight12:26
asalkeldfighting the tests12:26
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asalkeldnearly rewriten half the tests12:26
asalkeld(or feels like it)12:26
asalkeldinc0 not here?12:26
ryansbdoesn't seem so12:27
asalkeldok, i'll follow up with him12:27
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asalkeldthe others don't look risks12:27
asalkeldrisky12:27
ryansbnot sure where he's located, but it's 4am on the west coast FWIW12:27
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pas-hazaneb, could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147461/ - I suspect that it is not that simple as I've done it, most probably missed smth12:27
pas-hathat is about bug 138475012:28
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zanebpas-ha: ok, I'll take a look12:28
asalkeldok we have a bout 10 days until kilo-212:28
pas-hazaneb, thnx12:28
asalkeldso review things for k2 please12:28
asalkeld(try to focus on them)12:29
asalkeldi'll move on12:29
asalkeld#topic convergence12:29
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asalkeldzaneb, ananta ..12:29
anantazaneb: please proceed12:29
skraynevit's show time :)12:29
zanebso I posted to the ML a couple of days ago12:29
asalkeldi saw12:29
asalkeldnice so lets get stuck in12:30
zanebwith an updated branch that is, I think, pretty close to what ananta is proposing12:30
anantai need to review the code on github... but from the mail I agree to most of it12:30
zanebso ideally I'd like to get code reviews on that and input on anything that's still different12:30
zanebananta: cool, that's a good sign :)12:30
anantazaneb: sure12:30
asalkeldwhat are the next steps12:31
asalkeldwho needs to do what12:31
zanebnext step I think is to break this down into tasks12:31
zanebmaybe create specs/bps?12:31
zaneband assign them to people12:31
zanebI think a bunch of folks are interested in helping12:32
asalkeldyes12:32
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zanebI'm probably going to be mostly limited to reviewing12:32
zanebother commitments :/12:32
asalkeldzaneb, are you and ananta going to try break things down12:32
asalkeldinto tasks?12:32
asalkeldyou have your heads in it12:32
anantai will work with zaneb  to break down12:33
zanebmy plan was to take a first pass at it and post to the ML for input12:33
asalkeldcool12:33
anantainto implementable specs and tasks12:33
zanebananta: did y'all have migration plan in mind?12:33
asalkeldafter decouple-nested i can help with things12:33
zanebI have the beginnings of one in my head somewhere12:33
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anantayou mean db migration?12:34
zanebno12:34
asalkeldoperator migration12:34
zanebnot even that12:34
asalkeldand stack migration12:34
zanebmore like how can we implement this incrementally without having all the code be broken in the meantime12:34
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zanebso we don't have to try and land everything on the same day ;)12:35
anantathis could be done only after our approach is final :)12:35
pas-hahow about implement worker API on the heat-engine itself first12:35
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pas-hathen start beraking it out to separate workers12:35
asalkeldpas-ha, i think that was the plan12:35
anantapas-ha: thats the plan12:36
anantaas of now12:36
zanebpas-ha: yeah, the plan is not even to break it out12:36
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asalkeldthe only difference is different thread vs. process12:36
anantazaneb: lwts first break down into impl specs and then on the migration plan12:37
anantas/lwts/lets12:37
zanebI'm thinking that old stacks use the old code and new stacks have a config option, off by default, to create using the new code12:37
zanebunit tests stick with old code until they migrate to functional tests12:37
ryansbI could see that as an environment thing12:38
anantagood time to introduce versioning for Heat?12:38
asalkeldananta, what versioning?12:38
asalkeldthis is stack versioning12:38
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asalkeldwe have versioning everywhere it seems12:38
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zanebananta: well, I think the migration plan (maybe that wasn't a good choice of words on my part) very much affects what our list of implementation tasks looks like12:39
asalkeldmore like code-landing-plan12:39
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zanebyes12:39
zanebexactly12:39
zanebI'll take a stab at it over the next couple of days12:40
asalkeldzaneb, please lets get cracking with this12:40
zanebyes, my goal is to get out of the critical path asap ;)12:40
anantazaneb: ok... I would like to work on the detailed tasks and then update them with our final plans12:40
asalkeldi am concerned we won't get anywhere if we are not careful12:40
asalkeldthanks12:41
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asalkeldif you you guys need help, please let me know12:41
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asalkeldpas-ha, you are working on removing the task runnner?12:42
asalkeld(removing it from resources)12:42
pas-hayes, for pathces up12:42
pas-habut the trickier ones are left - volume and server12:42
asalkeldzaneb, i can't remember the exact purpose of that12:42
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asalkeldcan you remind me12:42
pas-haplus I have no idea how to do it with instance group12:42
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asalkelddo we need to remove functions from the cookie?12:43
zanebasalkeld: it's an enabler for phase 2 of convergence12:43
zanebso not super urgent12:43
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asalkeldok12:43
zanebyeah, we need to only include stuff we can serialise in the cookie12:43
pas-haso we could probably retarget the bug12:43
asalkeldpas-ha, ^ not wait stuff in the cookie12:44
pas-haso, simple container/dict-like object will do?12:44
zanebyep12:44
asalkeld#topic open discussion12:44
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pas-hano methods thoug, ok12:44
asalkeldzaneb, ananta it would be good to find other tasks like that12:45
asalkeldthat can be done somewhat independently12:45
asalkeldalso if any one has heaps of time on their hands, i have work for you:-)12:46
asalkeld(working on test rework)12:46
asalkeldreally fun stuff12:47
pas-hanot sure if mutating that handler_data inside check_*_complete is a good thing12:47
anantaasalkeld:  unit tests?12:47
asalkeldananta, for decouple-nested12:47
BillArnoldasalkeld how complete (incomplete) are you find the test coverage to be?12:48
asalkeldwe need to remove creation of nested stacks in unit tests12:48
zanebpas-ha: why not?12:48
asalkeldBillArnold, it's quite good12:48
asalkeldthe worst is contrib/ and wsgi12:48
pas-haok then, smth like that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147953/3/heat/engine/resources/neutron/loadbalancer.py,cm ?12:48
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zanebpas-ha: feels weird to have unconditional return in a while loop, but yes, something like that12:50
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pas-haoops, will change that, probably wanted to save a couple of calls :)12:51
zaneb:)12:52
asalkeldhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-unit-test-rework12:53
asalkeldi'll work on there12:53
asalkeldwhat needs to be done12:53
asalkeldif anyone wants to help12:53
pas-ha#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-unit-test-rework12:53
anantaasalkeld: let me know how I can get started12:54
asalkeldok12:54
anantaare those the tests that need to be updated?12:54
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asalkeldananta, yeah - put you name against a test12:54
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anantaasalkeld: ok12:55
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dgonzalezHi all, i want to get started with heat development. Is there anything a beginner could do to help with the unit tests?12:56
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asalkeldooo, victim12:57
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asalkelddgonzalez, i'd suggest run the coverage test12:57
asalkeldand see what is missing and add tests for that code12:58
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asalkelddgonzalez, i have other work but it's time critical12:58
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asalkeld2 mins12:59
dgonzalezok, sounds like a good method to get to know the code base ;-)12:59
asalkelddgonzalez, "tox -ecover"12:59
asalkeldthen point your browser at heat/cover/index.html12:59
asalkeldwe are done, thanks13:00
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asalkeld#endmeeting13:00
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thingee#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
thingeehi everyone16:00
smcginnisHello16:00
duleko/16:00
rushiagrhi!16:00
rhe00_hi16:00
avishayHey16:00
thangphi16:00
eikkehi16:00
eharneyhi16:00
thingeeour agenda for today:16:00
thingee#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings16:00
scottdahi16:00
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xyanghi16:00
kmartinhello16:00
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thingeeJust a reminder on third party ci16:01
tbarronhi16:01
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mtaninohi16:01
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cknightHi16:01
thingeeI sent an email to indvidual driver maintainers. a long email explaining this16:01
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TobiasEHi16:01
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thingeethe deadline being March 19th16:01
thingeeI also emailed the openstack dev mailing list:16:02
thingee#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html16:02
erlonhi16:02
e0nehi!16:02
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thingeeIn addition for those interested, join the Third party ci documentation sprint starting today16:02
thingee#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054690.html16:02
thingeeok lets get started!16:02
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thingee#topic Sharing volume snapshots16:02
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rushiagrhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/snapshot-sharing16:03
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thingeerushiagr: you're up16:03
rushiagr#link ^16:03
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thingee#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/snapshot-sharing16:03
rushiagrso we left halfway last time..16:03
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rushiagrthe general thinking was between 'umm okay' and 'no'..16:04
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xyanghow is this related to the other blueprint on public snapshot?16:04
rushiagrI dont remember if there was any strong objection on the idea.. If I am wrong, please remind me again..16:04
flip214rushiagr: sounds sane to me... I can see the usecase. And it doesn't even suffer from the quota-hardlink problem that UNIX had.16:04
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rushiagrxyang: it's an extension of that16:04
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rushiagrxyang: but to be clear, it's not full ACL16:05
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dulekWasn't the outcome that public and private snapshots are enough?16:05
asselin_hi16:05
xyangrushiagr: so is this one dependent on that?16:05
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rushiagrxyang: there was already a blueprint and spec for public snapshot, so I wasn't sure how to write that, but yes, it's going to be dependent on that16:06
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avishaySo what is the usecase?  We already have shareable images, right?  What do shareable snapshots give us?  Why not shareable volumes too?16:06
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rushiagrdulek: I don't think we reached the conclusion16:06
jgriffithrushiagr: to recap my preference was "no" on sharing, and "yes" on public snaps16:06
rushiagravishay: I don't know the exact requirement. But I was told 'they' wanted to share 'UAT disks' between tenants16:06
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dulekrushiagr: Yes, definitely, but public snapshots solve the usecase and are more-or-less accepted.16:07
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winston-d_rushiagr: what's UAT?16:07
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dulekrushiagr: So I just wanted to remind the idea.16:07
avishay"they"?  sounds like a government conspiracy :P16:07
jgriffithdulek: +116:07
rushiagrjgriffith: okay. I remember you saying sharing snapshots as I proposed is a saner way than ACL. That's all I remembered :)16:07
jgriffithrushiagr: yeah, that's the good part ;)16:07
jgriffithrushiagr: I thought about use cases and looked at code last week-end; I like public as best option16:08
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thingeeSharable snapshots makes me think there is some framework in place for cinder to be mediator for the snapshot to be shared. making a snapshot public, seems like it's a bit switch and up to the owner to communicate to who they want to tell the uuid to.16:08
rushiagrdulek: 'they' (winks at avishay) might not want to make stuff public16:08
jgriffiththingee: +1, clean and easy IMO16:08
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jgriffithand it makes sense in other OpenStack workflows16:09
rushiagrjust to be clear about implementation, when a user will share a snap with a tenant, it will just add a db entry. No actuall data will be generated/transferred out of the block storage until that new user creates disk out that shared snap16:09
thingeesure, we just did it with volume types in k-116:09
dulekthingee: won't public snapshot be visible on cinder list? Glance shows public resources on the lists.16:09
thingeeoh I guess that was project_id16:09
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rushiagrthingee: sorry, I didn't completely understand you..16:10
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thingeedulek: I think the idea is, and rushiagr can correct me if I'm wrong, is the listing won't show the snapshots. Instead when we skip context check on the snapshot if it's public.16:10
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thingeebut it's up to the owner to communicate the uuid to who they want to share it with.16:11
thingeeif it's anything other than that you're talking about ACL's16:11
rushiagrthingee: yes, listing won't show public snapshots (or shared snapshots) by default..16:11
dulekthingee: I don't like how inconsistent it is with other services behaviour16:11
xyangif it is public, any tenant should be able to see it16:11
jgriffithrushiagr: ummmm... that would be part of the feature add16:11
jgriffithrushiagr: dulek not sure the concern?16:11
jgriffithowner can set snapshot to "public", modify get to get all tenant and public, done16:12
jgriffithlet's try this...16:12
rushiagrI think it's a valid use case if a tenant wants to chare a snapshot. I even think it's cleaner than creating a vol, and then transferring to another tenant.. Best would have been only sharing snapshots, and no vol transfer.. But again, personal opinions16:13
dulekjgriffith: Yup, thats how it should be done IMO16:13
jgriffithanybody have a good reason to NOT use public, but instead use SHARING?16:13
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dulekBut thingee and rushiagr are proposing that public won't be shown on lists for other tenants.16:13
dulekOr did I misunderstood something?16:13
thingeedulek: I'm guessing what rushiagr wants.16:13
jgriffithdulek: hmmm...  i didn't catch that, seems odd16:13
xyangseems that we are mixing the two16:14
jgriffithxyang: :)16:14
rushiagrdulek: I'm just saying that current API won't, but a new API will16:14
jgriffithso look... here's the thing;  Every use case is covered if we do public16:14
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jgriffithyou can transfer a volume to anotehr tenant if you want16:14
jgriffithor you can make a snapshot public16:14
winston-d_rushiagr: what new API?16:14
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rushiagr'show all my snaps plus all shared snaps)16:14
rushiagrs/)/'/16:15
jgriffithI'm still not completely clear on use cases rushiagr is interested in solving16:15
dulekNot every, rushiagr mentioned that "they" may not want to have *public* snaps, just shared16:15
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thingeeflip214: what use cases did you see with this?16:15
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winston-d_rushiagr: does any other openstack project has similar API like this?16:15
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avishayMaybe "they" should share their use case - maybe there is a better way to achieve what they want16:15
rushiagrjgriffith: I am trying not to make an artifical example. But it's similar to volume transfer..16:15
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thingeeavishay: +116:16
thingeehere's what I'm going to propose...16:16
winston-d_rushiagr: then use volume transfer16:16
rushiagravishay: they have data in block storage snapshotted.. I'm using too much 'they' I guess.16:16
thingeerushiagr: work with Tiantian on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/16:16
jgriffithwinston-d_: :) +116:16
flip214thingee: having a few well-known images that _all_ people can use. RHEL6, RHEL7, Ubuntu, etc.16:16
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thingeeseems like the idea of just public is a preferred approach16:16
dulekthingee: +!16:16
rushiagrwinston-d_: the problem is it's slighly bad on usability. We seem to be not caring much about the end user..16:17
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thingeeright now we're all confused on what is being proposed here and guessing what you want. and I just spent 15 mins trying to figure it out16:17
thingeealso if you look at:16:17
winston-d_rushiagr: how come?16:17
thingee#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/16:17
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thingeeI asked for use cases :)16:17
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rushiagrthingee: sorry, I was and will be busy for this whole week.16:18
rushiagrI apologise if I don't seem to have a use case.. Totally my fault..16:18
thingeerushiagr: ok, well you got until feb 15 for feature freeze. and no worries, we just need things better defined to make a decision16:18
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thingeeanything else?16:19
rushiagrthingee: okay. Thanks. I'll write a spec.. that would help come to a decision soon..16:19
rushiagrthingee: nope. We can move to next topic16:19
thingeerushiagr: work with this spec if possible https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/16:19
rushiagrthanks all16:19
rushiagrthingee: definitely16:19
thingee#topic Additional requirements with Third Party CI16:20
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thingeeso I've gotten questions from driver maintainers16:20
thingeeHow long can a ci be down, before we consider the driver inactive?16:20
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flip214How about 4 weeks from first notice, or 1 week from third one or so?16:21
smcginnisA week? Unless they are in contact for specific issues.16:21
erlondoes a non reporting CI is considered broken??16:21
thingeeerlon: after the deadline, yes. you're not reporting, you're not continuous integrating with proposed changes.16:22
flip214I'm thinking about the case that "the" CI maintainer is on vacation for 3 weeks (not that uncommon here in Europe)16:22
thingeedefeats the whole purpose16:22
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jordanPyeah, 3 weeks of vacation happens here :)16:22
erlonflip214: +116:22
* smcginnis moving to Europe16:23
flip214(yes, there should be a few people knowing how to fix it, but still...)16:23
winston-d_flip214, jordanP: i want to get a job there16:23
eikkewinston-d_: we're hiring16:23
thingeeI ask maintainers to give me an email address that forwards to a few people in the company16:23
erloneven a weekend cannot be enough with 5 days period16:23
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hemnaflip214, then someone else in the company should do their best to be a backup16:24
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hemna3 weeks of no reporting on a driver is terrible IMHO16:24
thingeeasselin_: opinions?16:24
jgriffithso IMHO there's no sense arguing about "I might go on vacation"16:24
jgriffithfirst step is get a working system16:24
jgriffithgo from there16:24
hemnajgriffith, +116:24
flip214hemna: yes, "should". In practice, especially in the summer time when lots of people are on vacation, I can foresee issues with that.16:24
avishayi don't think there should be a hard rule.  if it's down for a week because of equipment failure and you report that you're working on it, i think that's fine. if you disappear for 3 weeks, that's not IMO.16:24
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hemnaavishay, +116:25
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winston-d_avishay: +116:25
jgriffithpersonally if you have a system up and running and you go on vacation and it breaks I don't give a crap16:25
thingeeOk, we're agreeing no hard rule, but case by case basis?16:25
Swansonavishay: +116:25
hemnaflip214, make sure at least someone is a backup.16:25
jgriffithfix it when you get back :)16:25
xyangavishay: +116:25
hemnathingee, +116:25
jgriffiththingee: hard rule does need to be on demonstrating something functional and reliable at some point though IMO16:25
smcginnisthingee: +116:25
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avishayjgriffith: +116:26
jgriffithIn other words, "prove you've set it up and done the work"16:26
jgriffithwe16:26
dulekjgriffith: +116:26
thingee#agreed case by case basis on CIs not reporting will be handled16:26
jgriffithwe'll take issues with failures or the system going down as they come up16:26
jgriffithcool :)16:26
jgriffithjust wanted to make sure I was on the same page16:26
thingee#topic Target drivers - DRBD transport layer Nova16:26
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thingeeflip214: you'll need to better explain this :)16:26
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flip214right.16:27
flip214well, I'm trying to get a new block storage transport mechanism working.16:27
flip214but I keep stumbling....16:27
flip214there's parts of brick, target drivers, connector, etc.16:27
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flip214so I've got the architecural question: should I change *all* these places, or will eg. brick be removed in the next few weeks anyway?16:28
hemnaflip214, I'm working on brick16:28
hemnait's going to be a bit16:28
hemnait'll be my job to try and keep it in sync until we switch over.   :(16:28
hemnaflip214, for now, do the work in cinder/brick/initiator16:28
flip214hemna: okay. how about connector? target driver? jgriffith is working on that one, I believe.16:28
hemnathat you need to do.16:28
flip214okay.16:29
thingeehemna: do we have an idea of it happening in K?16:29
hemnathe target side of brick isn't going into the external lib.  just the initiator side16:29
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hemnathingee, I'm going to try and get it in.   I'm churning on multi-attach at the same time.16:29
thingeeflip214: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/targets/driver.py16:29
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flip214next question: create_export() doesn't know which host will attach the volume. the volume already has the key "attached_host" but it's None.16:29
thingeeyou need to define a new target driver in cinder16:29
flip214thingee: I'm doing that.16:30
asselin_thingee, sorry multitasking. There's a spec for CI Status that will apply to all 3rd party ci. I think we should define working as part of that.16:30
thingeeasselin_: thanks!16:30
flip214do we want attached_host to have the host that it _will_ be attached to?16:30
thingeeasselin_: can you give me the link when you have a chance?16:30
asselin_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/16:30
flip214would make my life much easier, if I would get that information.16:31
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flip214next point: for DRBD many storage hosts can be connected to one nova node at the same time. (That's the HA part of DRBD). So I'd provider_location much larger... 4kB or even more.16:31
flip214Is there a chance for that, or is there some hard restriction that says no?16:32
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flip214Can I pass only a string in provider_location to Nova, or can that be structured data, too?16:32
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xyangthe size of provider_location is 25516:32
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thingeeI'm not sure I understand why provider_location matters for multiple nodes attaching16:33
flip214xyang: now, yes.16:33
flip214thingee: because the nova node needs to know _all_ storage nodes it should access at the same time. Many hostnames, IP addresses, TCP Ports, etc.16:33
flip214the 255 characters are too small.16:33
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flip214If there's _no_ chance to get that enlarged, I'll have to pass the data around in some other way.16:34
hemnacan't you pass in a list to a new entry?16:34
flip214hemna: BTW, my changes are in https://github.com/LINBIT/cinder16:34
hemnaprovider_locations = []16:34
thingeeflip214: I don't have an answer for you right now. provider_location was for things like iscsi..know the ip portal, lun number, etc16:34
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flip214hemna: I don't think so, because that all gets serialized to the database, which won't know about arrays, no?16:35
xyangflip214: do you have to save it in provider_location? can initialize_connection return that info to nova?16:35
flip214thingee: yes, for a single connection is was enough. _multiple_ connections are one reason for using DRBD.16:35
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flip214xyang: initialize_connection in cinder, or in nova? if in nova, where would it get that information from?16:35
xyangin cinder16:36
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thingeeflip214: so it sounds like you'll need to propose a way to support this in cinder. I was just saying I don't have an immediate answer for you16:36
flip214right. I wanted to bring that up, so that people can think about it and tell me possible solutions ... we can talk about them later on, I hope for next week.16:37
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flip214if there's some way to relay information from cinder to nova via mq without size or data structure restriction it would be ideal ... I don't know whether such a thing exists.16:37
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thingeeflip214: everything is done through cinder-api.16:38
flip214so, as summary: my questions are pre-fill "attached_host" during create_export? size of "provider_location"? connector, target driver, brick?16:38
flip214thank you.16:38
flip214I'm done for today.16:39
thingeeheh16:39
thingeesorry we weren't much of help16:39
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thingee#topic TaskFlow workflows16:39
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thingee#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/16:39
flip214that's okay, I didn't expect (only hope ;) for immediate answers.16:39
thingeedulek: hi16:39
dulekokay, some meetings ago I offered my help on improving reliability of cinder16:39
dulekI wasn't pointed to any community-driven initiative, so tried to find one16:39
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dulekidea is to resume interrupted workflows when starting the services16:40
thingeedulek: great we need help with taskflow, and it's not with persistent16:40
thingee#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/140876316:40
dulekgeneral spec is in the link thingee provided16:40
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e0nethingee, dulek: me and vilobh are also interested in it16:40
dulekyeah, I'm monitoring this bug16:40
dulekso I'm asking for opinions16:41
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thingeeI think jgriffith was looking at that bug for week to get us to work better with taskflow. right now it's not a positive thing imo16:41
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thingeeI'll let other talks :)16:41
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dulekthis should be certainly solved before persistence, I've mentioned it in API part of the spec16:41
jgriffithdulek: that's not the issue16:42
dulekI can take a look at that as it's a blocker and jgriffith stopped to work on that16:42
thingeejgriffith: yes sorry...16:42
dulekwhy?16:42
thingeeso the real issue is people are finding that working with taskflow hasn't been the easiest.16:42
jgriffithdulek: it's not an issue of restarting jobs16:42
jgriffithdulek: the problem is that the taskflow retries are issued from the TF lib16:43
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jgriffithdulek: our code isn't written to deal with that properly16:43
hemnathingee, that's kinda always been the main issue w/ taskflow16:43
hemnais it's complexity16:43
dulekjgriffith: resumes can also trigger a retry16:43
jgriffithdulek: so for example in the increment GB section....  it raises before the increment16:43
jgriffithdulek: which IMO is going to make things "worse"16:43
jgriffithdulek: with our current code16:43
jgriffithdulek: we don't have clear control lines16:44
jgriffithdulek: so we're doing a number of "unexpected" things on retries16:44
jgriffithdulek: besides.... what's so great about resume functionality anyway :)16:44
dulekresumes solve clean shutdown problems and increase reliability16:44
jgriffithdulek: meh16:45
jgriffithdulek: don't believe the hype16:45
jgriffithdulek: regardless....16:45
e0nedulek: it could help16:45
dulekif cinder service dies it will probably be started again by pacemaker and resume it's wokr16:45
e0neif we'll implement it16:45
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jgriffithdulek: go for it, happy to see folks improve what we have16:45
avishaycan't tell if jgriffith is being sarcastic or not16:45
dulekavishay: :)16:45
jgriffithavishay: little of both16:45
rushiagravishay: +116:45
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dulekbut jgriffith answered my main concern16:46
dulekshould I go in this direction or is this idea not worth it?16:46
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e0nedulek: we neeed to work both with harlowja_away on it. it is really not a lot of time to be done in K16:47
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dulekI know tpatil's team can help on implementation and now e0ne is interested16:47
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dulekyeah, I'm consulting this with harlowja_away constantly16:47
dulekso any opinions from cores?16:48
thingeeby the way, tell violbh to finish what he started with cinder :)16:48
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e0nedulek:  harlowja_away sad that vilobh will contunie work on in in cinder16:48
thingee#topic open discussion16:49
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e0nethingee: i've already tried. hope, he will be available today16:49
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dulekOk, I hope this means go on. ;)16:49
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thingeedulek: I moved on because you said you got your answer from jgriffith. jgriffith answering for me, I'll take it!16:50
e0nethingee: is it ok if i'll continue to work on that patch if violbh won't soon?16:50
thingeee0ne: which? this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-state-enforcer16:50
e0nethingee: yes, this pne16:50
e0nes/pne/one16:50
thingeee0ne: please16:50
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e0nethingee: thanks16:51
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thingeejust communicate with harlowja_away and violbh16:51
thingeeoh, so topics for mid cycle meetup16:51
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thingeeadd to potential topics https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-midcycle-meetup16:52
thingeewe already have some :)16:52
thingeeI think that's it for me16:52
thingeeanyone else?16:52
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thingeegoing16:52
flip214is next week a meeting?16:52
thingeegoing16:52
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hemnathingee, do we need to chat about brick16:53
thingeeflip214: good question, no.16:53
hemnaand the process of cutting over?16:53
hemnaI'll add that.  (in the hopes that I can get the lib done)16:53
e0nethingee: will we have hangouts?16:53
thingeee0ne: we did last time. hemna was nice enough to do that.16:53
e0necool!16:53
rushiagrwhat's a good way to target a bug or a bp to a milestone? Can I as a cinder driver group member do that? or is it the responsibility of the PTL?16:53
thingeee0ne: not sure about this time16:53
e0nehemna: pleeeez16:53
thingeerushiagr: core or me can target it. it'll be targeted regardless after being implemented16:54
rushiagre.g. for bugs which have a patch which has two +1s and a +2?16:54
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rushiagrthingee: okay. Thanks :)16:54
hemnaadded Cinder Agent discussion as well.16:54
thingeeok thanks everyone!16:55
thingee#endmeeting16:55
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tjones1#startmeeting vmwareapi17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 17:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi'17:00
tjones1hi folks - anyone here for vmwareapi?17:00
rgerganovhi17:00
sabarihi17:00
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tjones1hi rado17:00
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tjones1hi sabari17:00
tjones1lets get started and maybe others will join17:01
tjones1#topic unapproved BP17:01
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tjones1rgerganov: did you get any comments on your request for FFE on https://review.openstack.org/12728317:01
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rgerganovI have requested exception for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127283/17:01
tjones1saw that17:01
tjones1i see it is not -2ed so maybe that is a good thing17:02
rgerganovjoe gordon wanted to post implementation for the dependent spec17:02
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tjones1saw you updated it with that17:02
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rgerganovand I did: https://review.openstack.org/14850917:02
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rgerganovyeah, so I hope we still have chances17:02
tjones1yeah could be - please keep plugging at it. this will make life much easier for vnc17:03
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tjones1we can talk to the cores tomorrow17:03
tjones1and by tomorrow - i mean next week17:03
rgerganovsure :)17:03
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tjones1that seems like the only unapproved one that has a shot17:03
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tjones1looks like people lost momentum about multi disk ova support17:04
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tjones1any other unapproved BP for discussion?17:04
rgerganovsabari: what about the multi-datastore in glance17:04
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sabarihttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-store-multiple-datastores17:05
sabariThere is one in glance17:05
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sabarithanks rado :)17:05
sabariI posted the spec and first draft last week17:05
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sabariHopefully, it will make it.17:05
tjones1sabari: you may want to change the BP status from not started17:06
rgerganovI hope I will find time to review tomorrow17:06
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tjones1not sure if glance folks are like nova but that seems to get peoples attention17:06
sabarirgerganov: Thanks, I appreciate it.17:06
sabariWould be nice to get some feedback.17:06
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tjones1ok lets move on17:07
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tjones1#topic kilo priorities17:07
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tjones1https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo17:07
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faan-pgGood morning17:07
tjones1we have ephemeral disk, spbm, vsan, consolidated api, and ova17:07
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tjones1i don't think we have garyk today?17:08
rgerganovi will ping him on skype17:08
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tjones1oops spbm is merged17:08
faan-pgFaan from PLUMgrid here and my first time attending :-)17:08
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tjones1welcome faan-pg17:08
tjones1rgerganov: how's vsan?17:08
faan-pgThanks!17:08
rgerganovtjones1: one of the patches get in17:08
rgerganovonly one left17:08
tjones1yeah - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78488/17:09
rgerganovI will ping danpb to re-approve17:09
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rgerganovit was approved but I had to rebase17:09
tjones1awesome!17:09
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tjones1ova?  or was that gary?17:09
rgerganovthe ova patch has +217:10
rgerganovneed another one17:10
tjones1and a -1 from sean.  ok just stuff about tests17:10
tjones1so this one looks ok17:10
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rgerganovyeah ... I had to update tests17:10
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tjones1how's consolidate api work going?17:10
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rgerganovpretty good17:11
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rgerganovthe implementation is completed and ready for review17:11
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rgerganovon the upside I have learned a lot about the REST API17:11
tjones1do you have a link i can put on our wiki?17:11
rgerganovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/148509/17:11
tjones1lol - good stuff :-)17:11
tjones1ok any other discsussion on new features before we talk about bugs?17:12
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tjones1#topic bugs17:13
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tjones1https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware17:13
tjones1we've got a ton17:13
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garyktjones1: rgerganov: sorry i have a conflicting meeting17:14
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tjones1i wonder if we could start having a bug day in a couple of weeks were we spend time working on bugs and reviewing bugs?  our backlog simply is not going down at all.17:14
rgerganovgaryk: no worries, you'll buy us a beer17:14
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tjones1no worries garyk17:14
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tjones1what do you guys think?17:14
tjones1or maybe we can discuss next week at the mid-cycle?17:15
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rgerganovtjones1: yeah, we should come up with a plan for the backlog17:15
tjones1lets talk next week about it when we are face to face17:16
rgerganovcool17:16
tjones1im all for a short meeting today :-)17:16
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tjones1garyk how's the ephemeral patch going?17:16
garyktjones1: stuck in the review queue. hoping it will get some eyes, but it has been months...17:16
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tjones1wow17:16
tjones1i see you have rebased17:16
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tjones1over and over17:17
garykyup. i am trying to hit 100 rebases17:17
tjones1ugh17:17
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tjones1can this group please do a review on this patch - it could use some more +1 before we beg for core reviewers17:18
tjones1https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121409/17:18
tjones1that would relaly help17:18
tjones1#open discussion17:18
tjones1anyone have anything to discuss?17:18
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tjones1looks like we are done to me17:19
tjones1thanks folks17:20
rgerganovtjones1: thanks17:20
tjones1#endmeeting17:20
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sarobwhos here for the trainer meeting?18:01
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sarob#startmeeting trainers18:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 18:03:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:03
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sarobwhos here18:03
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sarobelo you around?18:04
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faan-pgHi there, this is Faan from PLUMgrid, good morning!18:07
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sarobgood morning18:08
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SalmanGood morning18:08
sarobhere for the trainer meet?18:08
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faan-pgYes, hope to learn more about this effort :-)18:08
sarobsalman: you here?18:08
saroblooks like we are getting a slow start18:09
SalmanYes this is Salman18:09
faan-pg2Switched to my desktop client :)18:09
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sarobokay lets start18:10
sarobsalman: hows the slides going for tomorrow's training session?18:11
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SalmanStill working on them18:11
Salmanhalf way done18:11
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sarobsalman: half way is better than no way18:12
sarob;)18:12
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SalmanHalf full18:13
Salman:-)18:13
sarobsalman: still think you can get two topics into the single session?18:13
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sarobfaan-pg2: plumgrid is thinking of getting involved with the community training?18:15
SalmanYes I am thinking and also planning to cover them both18:15
faan-pg2correct and would like more details on how this process works?18:15
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sarobsalman: cool18:18
sarobfaan-pg2: training is a regular openstack project18:18
sarobfaan-pg2: we meet once a week18:18
sarobfaan-pg2: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides18:19
faan-pg2thanks18:19
sarobfaan-pg2: we have 6 month plans https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides18:19
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sarobfaan-pg2: we work on providing training materials for the trainers that volunteer18:20
sarobfaan-pg2: at the summits and user groups to train on openstack18:20
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sarobfaan-pg2: this meeting is for the trainers to get together18:21
sarobsalman: im going to test out the new AV gear today and tomorrow18:21
faan-pg2our interest is particularly in the neutron knowledge area18:22
faan-pg2which one of the training guides/sub-projects covers neutron?18:22
sarobfaan-pg2: okay, if plumgrid wants to build off the training materials that is out there18:22
sarobfaan-pg2: you are welcome to18:23
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sarobfaan-pg2: the published material is here http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/18:23
Salmansarob: great18:24
faan-pg2sounds like I should join the Monday meeting and ask these questions :)18:24
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sarobfaan-pg2: read the structure and see how you can make use18:24
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sarobfaan-pg2: plumgrid examples in the install, operator, and training guides would be in your best interest18:25
sarobfaan-pg2: at least18:25
sarobfaan-pg2: would require developer/writer from plumgrid to get involved in the openstack docs team18:26
faan-pg2thx sarob, much appreciated!18:26
sarobfaan-pg2: to push the patches that include your plumgrid stuff18:26
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sarobsalman: anything i can do to help?18:26
Salmansarob: I am good, please try to make sure A/V works better.18:27
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sarobsalman: fyi, the training branch is pending, so your slides will be posted18:27
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sarobsalman: may not happen until the end of the week though18:28
sarobsalman: not in time for this tomorrow's training session18:28
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sarobSalman: i will test it out with hangout18:28
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sarobSalman: we have the final session, that is supposed to be a test18:29
sarobSalman: the training team still doesnt have a test :/18:29
sarobsalman: im thinking we have a osbash build session instead18:30
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sarobSalman: if you rick, and at least two more can help with mentoring18:31
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sarobsalman: alternative is to preview the upstream training material18:31
sarobSalman: or cancel18:31
sarobSalman: thoughts?18:31
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SalmanI would suggest if we have the review of what is already done and see what is up for preview18:34
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sarobSalman: not sure i understand18:35
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sarobthe last session has no material18:36
sarobSalman: since there is no test right now18:36
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Salmansarob: I am saying that are you asking to have the preview session to validate A/V?18:37
sarobSalman: no, sorry18:37
sarobSalman: nothing to do with AV18:37
sarobSalman: i jumped to the next topic already18:38
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Salmansarob: dealing with two meetings at the same time and did not get the questions fully understood18:38
sarob#info salman will be covering compute and network chapters 5-8 with the slides he is working on18:38
sarobSalman: no prob18:39
sarobSalman: i jumped to thinking18:39
sarobSalman: about the last session in 1.5 months18:39
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sarobSalman: it is supposed the cover the final test18:39
sarobSalman: which doesnt exist18:40
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SalmanSo are there any ideas to create the final test18:40
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sarob#action sarob come up with final test alternative like osbash mentoring session18:40
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sarobSalman: its outstanding task for the testing subteam18:41
Salmanok18:41
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Salmanwhen would that outstanding task be addressed18:41
sarobSalman: matjazp may be able to get it done in time18:41
sarobSalman: but we should consider alternatives as it is not ready now18:42
sarobSalman: he is going through finals with his students right now18:42
sarobSalman: and then a new semester18:42
SalmanFirst we need to know what alternatives we are considering?18:42
sarobSalman: so this is a bad time for him18:43
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saroblets call this meeting for this time18:46
sarobemail or msg me if you need any help18:47
faan-pg2thx sarob for you help today, much appreciated :)18:47
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Salmanok18:47
sarobfaan-pg2: np, im usually on irc or get me on twitter with the same handle18:47
sarobcheers18:47
sarob#endmeeting18:48
Salmancheers18:48
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notmynameswift meeting time19:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 19:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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torgomatic.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'19:00
notmynamehello, everyone19:00
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acoleshi19:01
gvernikhello19:01
tdasilvahello19:01
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cutforthbuenos dias19:01
notmynameI don't have a lot today. so unless there are other things to bring up, this should take very little time19:01
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mattoliverauo/19:01
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notmynameand I didn't realize that until this morning (my TZ), so apologies for those up early or late19:02
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews19:02
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notmynameI added a section there for the next release19:02
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notmynamejust a few patches, and I'd like to see them land this week19:02
notmynamesooner the better, so we can get the placement improvements out there19:02
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notmynameeg just this morning, someone was struggling with that issue in the IRC channel19:03
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notmynamealso, the hackathon reg link is available at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hack-a-thon-sponsored-by-swiftstack-tickets-1522614781819:03
notmyname#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hack-a-thon-sponsored-by-swiftstack-tickets-1522614781819:03
notmynameany questions or does anyone have anything else?19:04
notmynamethat's all I have to bring up this week19:04
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cutforthnothing from me19:05
notmynameanything else? anyone?19:05
mattoliveraunope looks good. I have hack-a-thon travel all organised so your all going to be stuck with a noisy Australian :P19:05
gvernikis there any particular agenda for the hackathon?19:06
acolesmattoliverau: did i see you are coming twice? :)19:06
notmynamegvernik: the normal agenda has one item: (1) create the agenda19:06
* cutforth is bummed that the hackathon overlaps with dad duty/my wife out of the country19:06
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mattoliverauacoles: nah only once now... I thought two of me might be a little too much Australian :P19:06
notmynamegvernik: we figure it out each day based on what's going on and who's there19:07
notmynamegvernik: but you can expect EC to be a big deal. also probably some encryption stuff and the service tokens19:07
mahatichack-a-thon happens twice a year in the USA?19:07
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notmynamewe've got one big room and two small rooms  so we have the ability to break into smaller groups as necessary19:08
notmynamemahatic: so far yes.19:08
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mahaticokay19:08
notmynamegvernik: are you going to make it this time?19:09
gverniki hope so...19:09
notmynamegreat19:09
notmynameI was also just talking to some people from IBM yesterday (austin and zurich) about it19:10
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notmynamefor everyone, if you are coming, please register asap. space is somewhat limited, and we want to make sure we have enough food, etc for everyone19:10
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notmynameanything else from anyone?19:11
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notmynameok. if you have any other questions about the hackathon (or anything else), find me in IRC or email (me@not.mn)19:12
notmynameI'll be out tomorrow. talking about swift in seattle19:12
notmynamethanks for working on swift!19:12
jrichli_notmyname: I am talking with my manager about getting travel arrangements, will see19:12
notmynamejrichli_: great19:12
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tdasilvanotmyname: thanks!19:13
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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg22:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 21 22:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'telcowg'22:00
sgordonhopefully this week i am in the right meeting room ;)22:00
sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda22:00
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sgordon#topic roll call22:00
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cloudonhi22:01
aveigahello22:01
gmatefihi22:01
sgordonwho is up and about for the telco working group22:01
sgordonhi all22:01
sgordon#topic action items from last week22:02
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sgordonamitry took an action on monitoring ops mid cycle signups22:02
sgordonbut afaik there is no registration page yet22:02
sgordonso still nothing to do there, will carry it over22:02
sgordon#action amitry to cross reference ops mid-cycle signups with telco wg participants to determine crossover22:03
sgordonmkoderer, are you around?22:03
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sgordoni ask in the context of you volunteering yourself to write a multi-site use case22:04
sgordon#action  mkoderer to take a stab at documenting use for multi-site22:04
sgordonok22:04
sgordon#topic use cases22:04
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sgordon#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases22:04
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sgordonso last week we endeavored to dive into the vIMS use case22:04
sgordonon top of getting a bit off track at times it proved pretty difficult to collate feedback effectively live22:04
sgordonso during the week i created etherpads with the idea that we might try and record feedback inline during the week, and then discuss22:05
ijwo/22:05
sgordonanother suggestion was to go to gerrit for reviewing the use cases but i am really hesitant to do this due to the potential impact on non-developer input22:06
aveigasgordon: also, there's no specific repo for that22:06
sgordonright, we would need a repo22:06
sgordon(fun)22:06
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sgordonso i guess my thinking is, do we want to pick a use case and 'try again'22:08
sgordonduring the week22:08
sgordonwe could do vIMS again or attempt a different one22:08
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sgordonthe idea being to use the etherpad to record the feedback instead of having it all unfold in the meeting :)22:08
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ijwo/22:10
sgordonsilence is violence22:10
sgordonim going to suggest we take two and will take an action to email the list22:10
cloudonam happy to give it a try this week with vIMS again22:11
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sgordonmy suggestion is we try a do over on vIMS and pick up VPN instantiation as well to try22:11
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cloudonsounds good to me22:11
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sgordonok22:12
sgordon#action sgordon to email list suggesting review of vIMS and VPN instantiation use cases via etherpad22:12
sgordonso the fun stuff22:13
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sgordon#topic Design and Implementation22:13
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sgordonso first things first, is anyone in attendance currently seeking a feature freeze exception22:13
sgordonthe work we had been regularly tracking had to the best of my knowledge already been approved, but looking for any outliers22:14
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sgordonijw, do you have any updates from your side on current spec implementation work22:15
sgordonthere was one query on the list just before the meeting about virtio multi-queue22:15
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sgordonthat spec is not approved but an FFE has been requested i need to check how likely that is to get picked up tho22:15
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ijwGot someone assigned to it recently, and I've not checked his progress so I can't give you a % complete or anything.  I also had a willing volunteer mail me about the MTU work so it may be possible to break things up there22:16
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ijwSeems late for a FFE to be approved.22:16
sgordonyeah im not holding my breath22:16
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sgordoni think the deadline for nova is tomorrow22:16
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sgordonso will be sorted out one way or another in the meeting i expect22:16
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sgordon(nova meeting that is)22:17
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/input-output-based-numa-scheduling,n,z22:17
sgordonthere is still an outstanding patch associated with PCIe locality but looks like it fails verification atm22:18
sgordoni dont have anything else to add on this topic atm22:18
sgordon#topic other business22:18
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sgordonas i mentioned in the opening no registration for the ops mid cycle yet that i have seen22:19
sgordonanyone have another topic they would like to raise this week?22:19
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sgordonwell then22:21
sgordonon that note22:21
sgordon#endmeeting22:22
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jan 21 22:22:01 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:22
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