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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 04:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 04:07:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 04:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 04:07 |
| loquacities | ok, let's do a quick roll call | 04:07 |
| loquacities | who's here? | 04:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | me | 04:07 |
| adahms_ | Andrew from Red Hat here | 04:07 |
| Shamail | Shamail from EMC, new. :) | 04:08 |
| loquacities | hi Shamail welcome | 04:08 |
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| Shamail | Thanks loquacities | 04:08 |
| loquacities | sorry for the disorganisation, we'll get better, i promise :) | 04:08 |
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| Shamail | All good, I'm glad I randomly tabbed over | 04:09 |
| loquacities | :) | 04:09 |
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| loquacities | bmoss, dnavale hi | 04:09 |
| bmoss | hey hey | 04:09 |
| dnavale | heya | 04:09 |
| loquacities | ok, i'm going to a bit of a truncated agenda | 04:10 |
| loquacities | i strongly suggest you go back and read the minutes from the last US meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2015-01-28 | 04:11 |
| adahms_ | Will do | 04:11 |
| loquacities | we don't have any speciality teams to report, but i wanted to draw attention to my suggestion to create a user guide speciality team | 04:11 |
| loquacities | just in case anyone here is interested | 04:11 |
| loquacities | also, for the record, i know Sam-I-Am is looking for some assistance with converting the networking guide to RST | 04:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | yup. i think we decided on rst. | 04:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | be a good way to test the new tool chain | 04:12 |
| asettle | Oh goodie | 04:12 |
| loquacities | indeed | 04:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | if anyones interested, i can provide links to the content that's ready for converterating | 04:13 |
| loquacities | anne is also looking for people to help out on migrating the end user guide, and the admin user guide | 04:13 |
| loquacities | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 04:13 |
| loquacities | have i forgotten anything important on that front? | 04:14 |
| asettle | I will soon be looking for people to help with the Arch guide too | 04:14 |
| asettle | Stay tuned | 04:14 |
| loquacities | neat | 04:14 |
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| loquacities | i guess it's worth mentioning for the record that CFP for the vancouver summit closes next week, too | 04:15 |
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| loquacities | #topic APAC meeting | 04:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APAC meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 04:15 | |
| loquacities | obviously, we haven't been very good at this recently | 04:16 |
| loquacities | i want to make more of an effort, but i'm starting to think that this time doesn't work particularly well | 04:16 |
| loquacities | would something like two hours earlier be better? to get it out of the lunchtime slot? | 04:16 |
| adahms_ | The current time works for me | 04:16 |
| adahms_ | One hour earlier is also good, although two maybe not so | 04:17 |
| loquacities | ok | 04:17 |
| loquacities | anyone else with an opinion? | 04:17 |
| dnavale | loquacities: may be an hour later - at 2? | 04:17 |
| loquacities | that's a possibility too | 04:17 |
| loquacities | ok, i might send out an email on this topic | 04:17 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to email about the meeting time | 04:18 |
| loquacities | #topic brisbane events | 04:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "brisbane events (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 04:18 | |
| loquacities | so adahms_ and i had a sekrit meeting last week | 04:18 |
| loquacities | and hatched up a plan to get some more events happening in brisbane this year | 04:18 |
| loquacities | last year we did a couple of f2f meetings at the red hat office, and i'd like to try doing that again | 04:19 |
| loquacities | maybe once a quarter or so? | 04:19 |
| asettle | that would be good | 04:19 |
| adahms_ | Sounds good to me | 04:19 |
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| loquacities | can we tentatively say that the meeting on the 4th of march would be a good time to start? | 04:19 |
| loquacities | (that gives us a month to plan it) | 04:19 |
| adahms_ | I shall investigate | 04:19 |
| loquacities | adahms_: ^^ ? | 04:19 |
| loquacities | excellent, thanks | 04:20 |
| adahms_ | I can't think of any issues off the top of my head | 04:20 |
| loquacities | #action adahms_ to investigate a f2f meeting at red hat in brisbane on 4 march | 04:20 |
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| loquacities | i'd also like to do another docs swarm-type thing this year (similar to what bmoss and i did last year for the networking guide) | 04:20 |
| loquacities | anyone of ideas of projects and/or time/location for that? | 04:21 |
| loquacities | anyone have* | 04:21 |
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| asettle | Could ask Rackspace to fund a space? | 04:22 |
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| loquacities | yeah, for sure | 04:22 |
| loquacities | i think we could get DRG interested | 04:22 |
| bmoss | Or I imagine RH could host again. | 04:23 |
| loquacities | last time we used red hat's office space, and rackspace covered food, IIRC | 04:23 |
| asettle | Projects? I'd be interested in putting up the arch guide for that, but that would mean a lot of talks with arch guide co-authors So, i'll get back to you | 04:23 |
| bmoss | loquacities, yep, that's how it played out. I think that worked pretty well. | 04:23 |
| loquacities | #action asettle to investigate arch guide as a project for a docs swarm | 04:23 |
| loquacities | bmoss: it did, i'd be happy to go that way again | 04:23 |
| loquacities | bmoss: do you mind talking to RH about potential dates? | 04:24 |
| bmoss | sure. Do you have a rough idea in mind? | 04:24 |
| loquacities | not really | 04:24 |
| loquacities | i think we did august last year? | 04:24 |
| bmoss | I expect there will be a revolt here if I suggest another weekend... | 04:24 |
| loquacities | we need a reasonable lead time on it so we can organise travel for people out of town, too | 04:25 |
| adahms_ | Yeah, I think people are keen for a weekday :) | 04:25 |
| bmoss | right. So maybe a weekday in August? Or even a couple of days? | 04:25 |
| loquacities | haha, yeah, maybe a weekday this time :) | 04:25 |
| loquacities | sounds good | 04:25 |
| loquacities | bmoss: you just voluntold :P | 04:25 |
| bmoss | if people are flying in, we should make sure to squeeze them dry! | 04:25 |
| loquacities | #action bmoss to investigate docs swarm potential dates/locations | 04:25 |
| loquacities | hehe, darrenc i'm looking at you :P | 04:26 |
| bmoss | :) | 04:26 |
| darrenc | ;) | 04:26 |
| loquacities | ok, i think that covers everything i had to discuss | 04:26 |
| loquacities | #topic open discussion | 04:26 |
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| loquacities | ... | 04:27 |
| loquacities | i'll take that as no one has anything else to say ;) | 04:28 |
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| bmoss | *chirp chirp* | 04:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | crickets | 04:28 |
| loquacities | lol | 04:28 |
| adahms | Hehe | 04:28 |
| adahms | How about that local sports team? | 04:28 |
| loquacities | alright, thanks for bearing with me with my tardiness and ad-hoc agenda | 04:28 |
| loquacities | let's try this again in a fortnight :) | 04:28 |
| adahms | Sounds good | 04:28 |
| loquacities | o/ | 04:29 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 04:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 04:29:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-04-04.07.html | 04:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-04-04.07.txt | 04:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-04-04.07.log.html | 04:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | see y'all later | 04:29 |
| adahms | See you! | 04:29 |
| bmoss | adios | 04:29 |
| darrenc | o/ | 04:29 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 12:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
| skraynev | o/ | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, just us two | 12:01 |
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| asalkeld | :-/ | 12:01 |
| skraynev | :-/ | 12:01 |
| skraynev | agree | 12:01 |
| skraynev | shardy? | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | well we are going to cut kilo-2 in the next 12hours | 12:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 12:02 |
| skraynev | afaik, pas-ha ills | 12:02 |
| skraynev | \o/ | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| skraynev | asalkeld, I thought, that ot will be at the end of week | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | nope | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | so stevebaker had an action, which he did | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | (stirred the pot) | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:03 | |
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| skraynev | yes. | 12:04 |
| skraynev | discussion looks interesting | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, i guess not worth talking about that config option - not enough people | 12:04 |
| skraynev | and only one real opposite opinion from zaneb | 12:04 |
| zaneb | ok | 12:04 |
| zaneb | I see lifeless trying to ping me overnight | 12:05 |
| skraynev | may be he wanted to change you opinion :) | 12:05 |
| zaneb | I think SpamapS has a point, but tbh I'm not persuaded yet | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, if that config is super short termed - that's ok | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | (development tool really) | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | it really depends on how long people have to wait for a stable convergences | 12:06 |
| zaneb | yeah, I think I didn't do a very good job in the initial version of the spec of describing the purpose of it | 12:06 |
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| asalkeld | and if they have to choose | 12:06 |
| skraynev | IMO, there are two cool benefits: 1. using existing Jenkins job and 2. using both code paths without restarting srvice | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | hopefully they won't have to | 12:07 |
| skraynev | *service | 12:07 |
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| zaneb | I think the goal should be turn it on early in Lizard and make sure the bugs are ironed out before the end | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, somewhat agree, but that's our problem | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | shouldn't push that to the user, unless they really need that | 12:07 |
| zaneb | but I know TripleO are trunk-chasing and may legitimately worry about that | 12:07 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: sure | 12:07 |
| zaneb | but there's nothing particularly special about this feature | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | i am not keep on making fake api options tho' | 12:08 |
| zaneb | you could make that complaint about any patch. "what if it has a bug?" | 12:08 |
| zaneb | well, you try it and see if you want to assume the risk | 12:08 |
| zaneb | and if you don't then maybe chasing trunk is not for you | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | or tripelo could contribute some scenario tests? | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | anyways, lets move on | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | #topic kilo-2 | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-2 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:10 | |
| zaneb | I'll try to chat to lifeless, maybe he has a specific scenario in mind that would be persuasive | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2 | 12:10 |
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| zaneb | TZs are a pain, as usual :/ | 12:10 |
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| asalkeld | you are on the other side of NZ | 12:11 |
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| asalkeld | looks like i'll have to push decouple-nested and stack-breakpoints | 12:11 |
| skraynev | zaneb: need create one big code place for Heat team :) | 12:11 |
| skraynev | zaneb: on Hawaii, I suppose | 12:11 |
| zaneb | lol | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | sounds good | 12:12 |
| zaneb | I expect taht would be popular ;) | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | i have claim to have coded on a beach in hawaii | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | (big island) | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | very relaxing | 12:12 |
| skraynev | ))) | 12:12 |
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| skraynev | just imagine: you lay on beach and discuss convergence... | 12:13 |
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| asalkeld | ttx you about? | 12:13 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/decouple-nested | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-breakpoint | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | moving to k3 ^ | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | both should land in a week | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | but not soon enough | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, skraynev https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147463/ | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | that's the last bug for k2 ^ | 12:15 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:15 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: I wonder if in that case we should just raise UpdateReplace | 12:16 |
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| zaneb | rather than putting in special case logic | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, either does the job | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | both would be "special" | 12:16 |
| zaneb | fair point | 12:17 |
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| zaneb | I'll review after this | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | cool | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, if you have an issue with it can you move the bug to k3 please | 12:17 |
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| zaneb | sure, I will either +2 or propose a new patch | 12:18 |
| zaneb | (and get it reviewed) | 12:18 |
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| asalkeld | cool, thx | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | after 10pm here so no real time to do that | 12:18 |
| zaneb | np | 12:19 |
| zaneb | I will chase it | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, skraynev can i end early? - you have anything more? | 12:20 |
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| skraynev | nothing for me | 12:20 |
| zaneb | I don't have anything else | 12:20 |
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| zaneb | gotu: anything to discuss? | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | ok later guys | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | gotu, ... | 12:21 |
| gotu | ananta = gotu sorry for confusion :) | 12:21 |
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| yield | ;) | 12:21 |
| gotu | Device problem | 12:21 |
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| asalkeld | what's up gotu? | 12:22 |
| gotu | Nothing much from my side | 12:22 |
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| KanagarajM | zaneb: i have added work items in the comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152304/2/specs/kilo/convergence-message-bus.rst | 12:22 |
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| gotu | I will be reviewing the specs by this week | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, since when is a async request not rpc? | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | anyways, confused me more | 12:23 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: sorry. I was trying to create less confusion ;) | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | in openstack land notifications == something specila | 12:24 |
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| asalkeld | more generically i'd agree with you | 12:24 |
| zaneb | KanagarajM: ok, I can add those into the spec for the next patch set. but I think we are agreed on them anyway | 12:25 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: right, I was speaking generically :) | 12:25 |
| KanagarajM | zaneb: thanks. | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | ok, does everyone that has a convergence spec commited to getting that code in promptly? | 12:26 |
| * asalkeld hopes so | 12:26 | |
| zaneb | asalkeld: FYI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_procedure_call | 12:26 |
| zaneb | yeah, there are other people who have volunteered in the past | 12:27 |
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| zaneb | so if anybody has too much on their plate, we can get other people to pick it up | 12:27 |
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| asalkeld | ok, let's move to #heat | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 12:28:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-04-12.00.html | 12:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-04-12.00.txt | 12:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-04-12.00.log.html | 12:28 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting Xen | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 14:59:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Xen)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xen' | 14:59 |
| BobBall | #stopmeeting Xen | 14:59 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 14:59 |
| openstack | BobBall: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:59 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting Xen | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| BobBall | sorry :) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 15:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xen/2015/xen.2015-02-04-14.59.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xen/2015/xen.2015-02-04-14.59.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xen/2015/xen.2015-02-04-14.59.log.html | 15:00 |
| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 15:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Better. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Howdy | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | Ping for johnthetubaguy and yamamoto | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Morning / evening guys! | 15:01 |
| BobBall | So yamamoto did the right thing and actually added some items to the agent | 15:01 |
| BobBall | agenda* | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | so we'll follow the agenda properly today | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | quick introductions first? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | No actions, blueprints or docs that I'm aware of - any dissent on skipping those items? | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | heads up on blueprints, we are closed until L now | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | feature freeze is tomorrow for non priority things | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | yamamoto: Would you mind doing a quick intro? Not sure that John has seen the emails so where your focus is | 15:02 |
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| yamamoto | ok | 15:02 |
| yamamoto | i'm a developer of ryu and ofagent | 15:02 |
| yamamoto | and currently working on ovs agent to make it use ryu ofproto library | 15:03 |
| yamamoto | instead of ovs-ofctl command | 15:03 |
| yamamoto | any questions? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | so the link to XenAPI is that we've currently got the rootwrap to proxy ovs-ofctl commands through to dom0 | 15:03 |
| BobBall | But we'll get on to that later :) | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: sounds cool, thanks for the intro | 15:04 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs / QA | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs / QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| BobBall | The CI hit the swift configuration bug this week so suffered a 4-day outage | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | but that's all fixed now | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Still seeing the lower-than-usual pass rate for the shelving tests | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | I don't suppose you've heard any more on that johnthetubaguy? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: I am a principle engineer working on Rackspace's public cloud, good to meet you :) | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Yes... I should have introduced myself too... Sorry! | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: nothing obvious, we don't use the feature though | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I'm with Citrix in the XenServer team and I manage our OpenStack efforts | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Ah yes, I'd forgotten you don't use shelve | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: oh, and Rackspace Public Cloud is mostly using XenServer for the servers, hence I am here | 15:05 |
| BobBall | which is why it's not a priority for you :) | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ironically we added it, but thats a long story | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Understood. | 15:06 |
| yamamoto | nice to meet you johnthetubaguy and BobBall! | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Anyway - that reminded me of a (side) question johnthetubaguy - is there a way to live migrate a VM between RAX regions? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope, you can't migrate between cells in the same region, live or not, due to IP constraints | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Ah ok | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can snapshot, export, then import though, I think | 15:07 |
| BobBall | It's a good reason not to allow it | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Anyway - moving on. | 15:07 |
| BobBall | libvirt+xen CI is making good progress | 15:07 |
| BobBall | You may have seen that today a couple of nova fixes went in | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | With those fixes, and a latest libvirt (compiled from source currently) then all tempest tests pass | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | Is it still mostly suse folks working on that? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | No - Citrix is working on it too | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, do you plan a test framework for that? | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | I'm in the process of trying to set up a zuul+jenkins+etc for it | 15:09 |
| BobBall | then hopefully my efforts will meet in the middle with the xen.org folk who are working on the tests + libvirt support from the ground up | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | I'm expecting that by the next meeting (fortnight from today) we'll have the infrastructure set up | 15:09 |
| BobBall | probably won't be running the jobs but it'll be running a no-op | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, glad to see a ray of light there | 15:10 |
| BobBall | Aim is to have a voting CI in a couple of months (trying to be realistic here - might arrive before that) | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | end of kilo sounds like a good goal post, but understood | 15:11 |
| BobBall | OK, not sure there is anything else on that unless there are questions? | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am good | 15:11 |
| BobBall | #topic Xen-rootwrap | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | yamamoto: Since you added this to the agenda, do you want to lead? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 15:11 |
| yamamoto | sure | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | (yamamoto did add some items to the page above - hence the link johnthetubaguy) | 15:11 |
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| yamamoto | there are a couple of neutron blueprints which likely involve xen-rootwrap | 15:12 |
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| yamamoto | i want to ask opinions from you folks familiar with xenapi | 15:13 |
| BobBall | So this is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-ofctl-to-python | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Still due to hit in K-3? | 15:13 |
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| yamamoto | i'm not sure if it can as it's low-priority bp | 15:14 |
| yamamoto | but i'm actively working on it currently | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | OK - so is your current view is that code will be ready but reviewers may not have bandwidth to give feedback / approve | 15:14 |
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| yamamoto | exactly | 15:14 |
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| yamamoto | except xenapi part which i'm still not sure how to deal with | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | Will there be any remoting capabilities? | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, you say "proxies OpenFlow channel between domains" | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | what does that mean? | 15:15 |
| yamamoto | let me confirm my understanding of the current mechansim first | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | For XenServer the OVS is in domain 0 but Neutron is running in a vitual machine | 15:15 |
| yamamoto | neutron/plugins/openvswitch/agent/xenapi is dom0 side | 15:16 |
| yamamoto | and xen-rootwrap is domu side | 15:16 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:16 |
| yamamoto | and they communicate via xenapi "transport" | 15:16 |
| BobBall | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/matelakat/shared/xs-q-v1/xenserver-quantum/deployment.png might be useful | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | Lines from q-agt to xapiY and xapiX bridges are just using dom0-rootwrap script to modify the OVS in dom0 | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Lines around q-domua are actual connections made by XAPI and the OVS | 15:16 |
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| yamamoto | good figure. thank you | 15:17 |
| BobBall | That figure is mostly relevant in the devstack case as both neutron and compute are in the same VM | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well you need a neutron agent on every compute host right, so that bit stays | 15:18 |
| yamamoto | my bp is incompatible with the current mechanism because it stops using ovs-ofctl command and thus xen-rootrwap | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | § If we were to deploy in two VMs the q-agt is needed in the Compute node but q-domua is needed in the Network node. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, your python bindings, do they talk to a C lib? | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | or directly to the OVS? | 15:18 |
| yamamoto | the python binding (ryu ofproto lib) is pure python library speaking openflow protocol | 15:19 |
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| yamamoto | over pure tcp socket (or tls) | 15:19 |
| BobBall | So we could (in theory?) open the openflow port on the xenserver hsot | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so it talks over the network interface? thats not so bad | 15:19 |
| BobBall | and get your library to talk directly to it? | 15:19 |
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| yamamoto | the plan is make ovs connect to my controller embedded in ovs-agent | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: or use an internal host local network? | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | HIMN is an option, but it caused issues for quite a few things... | 15:20 |
| yamamoto | HIMN? | 15:21 |
| BobBall | hmmmm - hang on - do we have a single neutron node for every host? | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | a single agent for every node | 15:21 |
| BobBall | himn = host internal management network. One that allows TCP traffic between VMs and the host | 15:21 |
| BobBall | OK - but you can have multiple agents in one neutron VM? | 15:21 |
| yamamoto | ovs-agent runs on every compute/network nodes | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its 1 agent per OVS instance | 15:21 |
| yamamoto | yes | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | So we can't use HIMN as the neutron VM may not be located on the hypervisor | 15:22 |
| yamamoto | my bp makes OVS-agent have an openflow controller embedded | 15:22 |
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| yamamoto | and make ovs connect to the controller via 127.0.0.1 | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | The whole point of the xen-rootwrap script is to proxy the commands from the Neutron node to the XenServer host - if we're using a controller we can easily set up the xenserver host to connect to that over TCP rather than the commands being proxied | 15:23 |
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| yamamoto | so for xen integration, i need a way to make dom0's ovs connect to domu's openflow controller | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | So I think that this BP makes life a _lot_ easier? | 15:23 |
| BobBall | Yes | 15:23 |
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| yamamoto | is dom0 and domu ip-reachable? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, its just a case of getting the networking configured correctly, which is a bit tricky in the general case | 15:24 |
| BobBall | They will need to be for this to work, yes. Just a restriction on the deployment architecture | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Currently they have to be anyway | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | because the XAPI commands go over IP | 15:24 |
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| yamamoto | ah i didn't know that | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, its the same interface, I forgot that, its just a pain to configure | 15:25 |
| BobBall | So we need a plugin for XAPI that will set the OVS controller for a given bridge | 15:25 |
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| yamamoto | so can i assume ip reachability? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | and we need Neutron to call that plugin when it sets up the agent? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | yes yamamoto | 15:25 |
| yamamoto | it can be done with the current mechanism using ovs-vsctl | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, makes sense | 15:26 |
| BobBall | perhaps yamamoto - but I'd much rather the "rootwrap" were more restrictive. We don't need to run much as root, just setting the bridge. | 15:26 |
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| BobBall | But you're right, first pass, keep the current mechanism and just set the controller | 15:26 |
| BobBall | then we can deprecate the rootwrap script and put in something more restrictive | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see where you are going, but you can do that second | 15:27 |
| yamamoto | can we assume domu -> dom0 connectivity too | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 15:27 |
| yamamoto | can we assume domu -> dom0 connectivity too? | 15:27 |
| BobBall | Call it neutron-node -> dom0 | 15:27 |
| yamamoto | it will likely be necessary for terry's bp | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | its required for the xenapi <-> nova, but BobBall is right, call it neutron-node, so it can be off box | 15:28 |
| BobBall | domU is "any domain on this host" and the neutron-node doesn't have to be on the host. | 15:28 |
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| yamamoto | ok | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | But yes - I think that's an absolute requirement for Neutron | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | distraction, but do you plan on making nova-compute work better when its on a different host to the hypervisor (I am thinking about the disk formatting code)? | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | surely that has to tbe the case with any hypervisor that neutron is setting up the network for? | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: the usual case is being on the same linux box, with access to unix sockets and localhost right, so its a slightly different trade off | 15:30 |
| BobBall | Long term plan, yes john - but no changes expected very short term | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not trade off, more definition | 15:30 |
| BobBall | But that's running a neutron-node on every host | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ack | 15:30 |
| BobBall | not just an agent for each host | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | (same here) | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | OOI does RAX run the neutron node on each hypervisor? | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh wait, I see where you are heading, I thought this was the agent that had the controller on it? | 15:31 |
| BobBall | oh yes - I think that's what yamamoto said - I was getting confused. | 15:31 |
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| yamamoto | which ip address is appropriate to use for my openflow controller? is it currently known to ovs-agent? | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | rackspace uses udev rules in the hypervisor to configure OVS, to avoid needing an agent, currently using xenstore as a backchannel to send the config, working on replacing that with Redis | 15:31 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:32 |
| BobBall | I'm not certain yamamoto but I think it must be | 15:32 |
| BobBall | I don't know how else xen-rootwrap would contact the hypervisor | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: I think its a new config, or its a config the same config we already use for the rootwrap thing, if thats possible | 15:32 |
| BobBall | yes - it must be | 15:32 |
| yamamoto | introducing a new config for ovs-agent is appropriate? | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | it can be a setting thats specific to your plugin, I think thats quite normal | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but the neutron experts might shoot me down | 15:33 |
| yamamoto | the rootwrap thing has neutron-node side ip address config? | 15:33 |
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| yamamoto | (xenapi transport is a magic to me) | 15:34 |
| BobBall | just checking | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | iniset $Q_RR_CONF_FILE xenapi xenapi_connection_url "$XENAPI_CONNECTION_URL" | 15:34 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | xenapi is just a http web service that runs in dom0 that the nova-compute VM talks to | 15:34 |
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| yamamoto | BobBall: it is dom0 address right? | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | yes yamamoto | 15:35 |
| yamamoto | what i need is a neutron node address to listen for openflow connection | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | doesn't the agent have to run _on_ the neutron-node itself? | 15:36 |
| yamamoto | yes | 15:36 |
| BobBall | So the neutron-node address is just localhost's ip? | 15:36 |
| yamamoto | but it might have multiple addresses etc | 15:37 |
| BobBall | True | 15:37 |
| yamamoto | i can introduce a new config but if there's an existing one i want to know | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | Personally I think that you should have a generic config for the controller IP which just happens to default to 127.0.0.1 | 15:37 |
| BobBall | Ah - I don't know if there is one *not a Neutron expert* | 15:37 |
| yamamoto | but you are xenapi expert | 15:38 |
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| BobBall | yes :) | 15:38 |
| BobBall | So the neutron node runs in a VM - but which IP you want to listen on for the controller in the neutron-node isn't a XenAPI question | 15:38 |
| yamamoto | which ip to use to connect to dom0 is a xenapi question isn't it? | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | Connecting to dom0 goes through the above $XENAPI_CONNECTION_URL | 15:39 |
| BobBall | but connecting back _from_ dom0 to the neutron-node's OVS controller is a different question | 15:40 |
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| BobBall | So we're currently saying you use the connecfrom from neutron-node --> dom0 once only to set up the controller in dom0? | 15:40 |
| yamamoto | ok then no explicit "src ip" config exists? | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, no traffic is going that way right now, as far as I remember | 15:41 |
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| yamamoto | got it thank you | 15:41 |
| BobBall | But I think that you'll need that for the generic case too (unless you only care about neutron-node on-hypervisor) | 15:41 |
| yamamoto | your ci mentioned earlier will cover neutron? | 15:42 |
| BobBall | So... This is an interesting point... | 15:43 |
| BobBall | With a very long answer | 15:43 |
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| BobBall | Currently we have a XenAPI CI that uses nova-network that votes on jobs | 15:43 |
| BobBall | We also have an experimental internal XenAPI CI that's trying to run against Neutron jobs | 15:43 |
| BobBall | but we're experiencing a non-trivial number of failures at the moment which we're trying to debug | 15:44 |
| BobBall | we think there is a race condition somewhere and we've not been able to track it down yet | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | Until that's sorted it's clearly of very limited use to expose that. | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | The libvirt+xen CI discussed earlier will hopefully be running on Neutron from the start, but it will not be using the rootwrap method as that is specific to XenAPI | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | Frustratingly my team has also been hit by some high turnover recently so there will be a period of time to get new team members up to speed | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I think I can tell you what that race condition might be, but lets leave that till open discussion | 15:46 |
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| yamamoto | xenapi ~= xcp/xenserver ? | 15:46 |
| BobBall | As far as I've seen the efforts to improve the Neutron (OVS) + XenAPI integration are limited to citrix and while many people want it it's something that we have to resource to fix it etc | 15:46 |
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| BobBall | yes yamamoto | 15:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: we hope to get quark upstream soon, at least I hope to get it more upstream, given the new neutron model | 15:47 |
| BobBall | fantabulous | 15:47 |
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| yamamoto | what's quark? | 15:48 |
| BobBall | Perhaps we can talk about defaulting to quark rather than OVS - but currently we have to focus on something that's upstream | 15:48 |
| BobBall | As I understand it, Quark makes use of XenAPI to push the rules down into dom0 rather than OVS with the rootwrap | 15:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yep, basically | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | quark uses OVS, but yes, thats miles down the line | 15:50 |
| yamamoto | https://github.com/rackerlabs/quark this one? | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: possibly, its probably out of date | 15:50 |
| BobBall | As far as neutron is concerned OVS isn't involved though, correct? | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yamamoto: I take that back, thats quite up to date | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: erm, neutron uses a non ML2 plugin, put it that way | 15:51 |
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| BobBall | OK | 15:52 |
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| BobBall | But for now I think that quark is a different question | 15:54 |
| BobBall | Have we covered the xen-rootwrap topic sufficiently yamamoto or are ther emore questions? | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yep, it should be | 15:55 |
| yamamoto | thank you for having a discussion. it seems easier than i thought. | 15:55 |
| yamamoto | let's move on | 15:55 |
| BobBall | fingers crossed it makes all our lives easier! | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks really promising, good stuff | 15:55 |
| BobBall | #topic Open Discussion | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so you have some races in the neutron CI | 15:55 |
| BobBall | We do indeed | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | have you seen the code libvirt has to avoid those? | 15:56 |
| BobBall | probably not | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L4251 | 15:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you start the domain paused, then you wait for neutron to get everything wired up | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | then you start the domain | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | otherwise, its very… race-ey | 15:58 |
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| BobBall | Ah I see | 15:58 |
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| BobBall | I'll look into that approach | 15:58 |
| BobBall | Is that not racy for nova-network too? | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | given how the udev scripts work, we kinda side step that issue, at least 90% of it | 15:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nova-network doesn't do that stuff right, it just creates a VIF on a VLAN or not, there is no async agent doing configuration stuff | 15:59 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 16:00 |
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| BobBall | I've not seen this before... | 16:00 |
| BobBall | My head hurts | 16:00 |
| BobBall | What does it mean? | 16:00 |
| BobBall | launch_flags = events and libvirt.VIR_DOMAIN_START_PAUSED or 0 | 16:00 |
| BobBall | int1 and intb or 0 | 16:00 |
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| BobBall | surely the or 0 is useless? | 16:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | duno | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | not read through that | 16:01 |
| BobBall | ah - events is a list not an int | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we are out of time | 16:01 |
| BobBall | wow - I wonder what that does | 16:01 |
| flip214 | I guess that a "False" gets translated to a 0 | 16:01 |
| BobBall | We are | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it basically is waiting for a REST call from neutron to say its done | 16:01 |
| BobBall | I see | 16:01 |
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| BobBall | yes flip214 - but it seems that events is a list | 16:02 |
| yamamoto | and-or is a confusing way to write if-else | 16:02 |
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| BobBall | ah ok - so it's saying "events if VIR_DOMAIN_START_PAUSED is set, otherwise launch_flags will be 0" | 16:02 |
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| BobBall | *confused* | 16:03 |
| BobBall | anyway | 16:03 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: is right | 16:03 |
| BobBall | we're out of time | 16:03 |
| BobBall | So thanks all | 16:03 |
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| BobBall | Next meeting is in a fortnight | 16:03 |
| BobBall | #nextmeeting 18th Februar | 16:03 |
| BobBall | +t | 16:03 |
| BobBall | +y | 16:03 |
| BobBall | is #nextmeeting not a thing? | 16:03 |
| BobBall | Anyway - see everyone on the 18th! | 16:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 16:03 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 16:03:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:04 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-04-15.00.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-04-15.00.txt | 16:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-04-15.00.log.html | 16:04 |
| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 16:04:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:04 |
| BobBall | sorry for the over-run thingee. | 16:04 |
| thingee | hey everyone | 16:04 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:04 |
| rushiagr | hi! | 16:04 |
| Yogi | hi | 16:04 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:04 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 16:04 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:04 |
| scottda | hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hey | 16:04 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:04 |
| thingee | BobBall: it's all good. we have a short agenda anyways :) | 16:04 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Howdy! | 16:04 |
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| avishay | hello | 16:04 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:04 |
| rajinir_r | hi | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 16:04 |
| cebruns | hi | 16:04 |
| flip214 | the short agenda doesn't mean that there's enough time ... | 16:04 |
| nikesh_vedams | hi | 16:04 |
| thingee | so here's a reminder on third party CI | 16:05 |
| flip214 | meetings tend to fill all available time, like so many other things too | 16:05 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:05 |
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| thingee | March 19th | 16:05 |
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| thingee | Get help now with your third-party ci | 16:05 |
| thingee | attend the third ci help meetings | 16:05 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:05 |
| thingee | if there are any questions with this deadline, don't wait. PM, or email me | 16:06 |
| thingee | ok lets get started | 16:06 |
| rhe00_ | if someone has a nodepool yaml they can share as an example I would be grateful | 16:06 |
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| thingee | Agenda: | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:06 |
| patrickeast | rhe00_: i can send you mine in a bit when i get into the office | 16:07 |
| thingee | #topic Oversubscribed for k-3 | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oversubscribed for k-3 (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:07 | |
| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:07 |
| flip214 | hmmm, these #next_meeting anchors are not really helpful in a week's time | 16:07 |
| thingee | so I had to punt some things over from k-2 | 16:07 |
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| thingee | and as shown from k-2, we're going to get around 14 things in, if that | 16:07 |
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| thingee | we have 22 things in now. | 16:07 |
| thingee | for k-3 | 16:08 |
| thingee | I have a proposal. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | thingee: we've got two not started blueprints | 16:08 |
| thingee | before the proposal actually... | 16:08 |
| diemt | patrickeast: it would be more helpful if you can post it somewhere, so more than one person can benefit from it :) | 16:08 |
| e0ne | i'm sorry, it's k-3, not k-2:( | 16:09 |
| thingee | I see a problem with people submitting changes to cinder, but they aren't approved bps. THey're just whenever they feel like post the reviews up | 16:09 |
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| thingee | Another problem is I'm not aware of a way for people to flag a blueprint to get my attention | 16:09 |
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| thingee | even if doesn't require a spec | 16:09 |
| kmartin | thingee, we have two BPs for driver related changes | 16:10 |
| thingee | besides just pming or emailing me | 16:10 |
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| kmartin | go we just ping you in IRC to get them scheduled? | 16:10 |
| kmartin | do | 16:10 |
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| thingee | kmartin: I would be fine with that, but unfortunately I don't think everyone does IRC. | 16:11 |
| thingee | I know shocking :) | 16:11 |
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| kmartin | I'm well aware of that :) | 16:11 |
| flip214 | perhaps you should offer a fax number, too. | 16:11 |
| thingee | haha | 16:11 |
| kmartin | lol | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | PTL needs a beeper. | 16:11 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: the modern version of that is twitter or whatsapp, right? | 16:12 |
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| kmartin | IRC should be required for anyone submitting code to OpenStack | 16:12 |
| thingee | so we have the feb 15th deadline, but really I think we need to say no at some point for k-3. The way I look at it, is if I keep letting stuff in for k-3, we'll be way over at this point. | 16:12 |
| jnrao | hi thingree, we have 2 zone manager BPs. | 16:12 |
| jnrao | thingee | 16:12 |
| thingee | everyone please stop telling me about your bps for a second. | 16:12 |
| thingee | I'm talking about a core problem right now | 16:12 |
| xyang2 | should we send you an email? | 16:13 |
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| thingee | So again the problem is we have 22 bps right now. THis doesn't cover everything that's already in review that is missing a blueprint | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Does infra have some way of categorizing and notifying new BP submissions? | 16:13 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: when bp author adds your name as approver, you'll get a notification, right? | 16:14 |
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| thingee | I'm going to ignore the notification problem for a second. I want to talk about the issue with 22 bps for k-3 and we still have more incoming | 16:15 |
| thingee | There was a lack of help in the review-a-thon. I know it was last minute, but it didn't go well. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Sorry. Planning to focus on reviews the rest of this week. | 16:16 |
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| thingee | so I'm just worried about letting any other things in at this point. If there are too many things, people can't focus on merging what we already have. | 16:16 |
| thingee | am I unreasonable there? | 16:16 |
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| winston-d | thingee: how about -2 flood for those reviews don't have approved bp? | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | just to make sure i understand the issue is a review bottleneck and not an issue of the bp's not getting finished code-wise, right?, is there anything someone like myself (non-core and kinda new) can do to help? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | How many more are trying to get in. | 16:17 |
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| rushiagr | no. We just need to side-track the reviews in focus who are not turning around fast enough | 16:17 |
| thingee | winston-d: +1 | 16:18 |
| dulek | thingee: So you want basically to move feature proposal freeze earlier? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: You can help us do reviews. Don't have to be core my friend. | 16:18 |
| jnrao | jungleboyj, 2 BPs from us. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | the problem is people get side tracked into reviews that don't even have bps approved or even targeted | 16:18 |
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| thingee | if you want to know what you should be reviewing, look at https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:18 |
| rushiagr | I would say even if the review-a-thon didn't get the same response as was expected, we can use the same list as the top priority for every reviewers | 16:19 |
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| thingee | review.openstack.org is free for all | 16:19 |
| thingee | so I'm more than happy to start giving a -2 to changes, but the problem is we have a deadline to feb 15 | 16:19 |
| thingee | I think we should lessen that deadline and review what we have now. | 16:19 |
| kmartin | thingee, did you not set a preferred deadline for the cores to review the list of BPs | 16:19 |
| navneet | thingee: how about planning for a review hackathon before feb 15? | 16:20 |
| jnrao | +1 | 16:20 |
| dulek | navneet: +1 | 16:20 |
| thingee | kmartin: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/055718.html | 16:20 |
| navneet | thingee: we did for previous releases too | 16:20 |
| thingee | kmartin: and I emailed people directly | 16:20 |
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| thingee | navneet: that's true. the problem with the last review-a-thon was it was too short notice | 16:20 |
| rajinir_r | thingee: How do get bugs targeted for a milestone | 16:21 |
| thingee | I'm not upset about k-2 with people, I know it was short notice..but things did slip | 16:21 |
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| thingee | rajinir_r: it's the same problem we're discussings with bps | 16:21 |
| thingee | we don't have a formal way yet | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: So, we try again next week now that people have had time to recover from the meet-up. | 16:21 |
| xyang2 | thingee: also it was right after the meet-up | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: +2 | 16:21 |
| thingee | xyang2: +1 | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | That is what is killing me. | 16:21 |
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| flip214 | I won't even ask what has happened there. The few hints in Etherpad are more than enough for my poor soul. | 16:22 |
| navneet | thingee: then how do we deal with it....prioritize BPs or involve more people in reviews? | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | navneet: Yes. To Both. | 16:23 |
| thingee | navneet, patrickeast: non-core are welcome to do reviews always. In fact I look for certain people giving +1's to make decisions. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +2 | 16:23 |
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| kmartin | I can speak for hemna(who is off presenting to the FC standards body right now), it's been a zoo since we got back from the meetup | 16:23 |
| thingee | so my message to to reviewers right now, please don't bother with reviews that aren't bugs or approved blueprints. focus on what we have now | 16:24 |
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| rushiagr | Being an open source project where we can't really restrict all people to review only the important stuff, I think it suffices that we just notify everybody in the meeting, make noise in the mailing list, update channel status, and thats about the stuff which is in our hand.. | 16:24 |
| navneet | thingee: jungleboyj: makes sense. | 16:24 |
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| thingee | but I can't -2 things, because most changes are driver updates. don't require a spec. | 16:24 |
| thingee | I expect us to have over 30 bps with all the driver updates. | 16:25 |
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| thingee | my point is we need to say stop at some point and just take the ones that were submitted earlier. | 16:25 |
| jnrao | We can follow what neutron had done with drivers. No approval for driver updates. Only cinder infra need BPs. How about that? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | agreed. | 16:26 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: +1 | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jnrao: That is just changing the metri for the problem. | 16:26 |
| thingee | another idea is organizing in two core groups on these bps like we did with the hackathon, but do it early. hopefully doing it early will allow our output to be better? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | *metric. | 16:26 |
| navneet | jnrao: good suggestion but does not solve prob right now | 16:26 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1. early feedback is very useful | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | thingee: do it early, well before K-3, will help | 16:27 |
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| thingee | ok, so I'll organize that and get a number of what we look like with bps. | 16:27 |
| navneet | lets do it next week...earlier the better | 16:27 |
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| thingee | I really think in L we'll need to organize this better. | 16:27 |
| jnrao | navneet, agree. Atleast plan for next release. | 16:28 |
| rhe00_ | does all the submitted changes on the launchpad have the right priority? if so, then anything new coming in could be set to the lowes priority and if reviews are done in order of priority then some changes will naturally be left out when we are out of time | 16:28 |
| thingee | navneet: I'm not even doing a review-a-thon. just an etherpad to get people signed up things. | 16:28 |
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| thingee | rhe00_: driver updates have low priorities compared to core features and core enhancements | 16:28 |
| jnrao | +1 | 16:29 |
| navneet | thingee: it may e good to notify but some kind of formal set up may be required for people to really involve in it....just my thought | 16:29 |
| thingee | #action thingee will create an etherpad early in k-3 for people to sign up on priority reviews | 16:29 |
| rhe00_ | ok, so they will be reviewed if there is time left | 16:29 |
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| thingee | rhe00_: no, unfortunately I don't think people respect the priorities. I don't know how many people here can honestly tell me they tested the cinder object patches for example | 16:30 |
| thingee | this was back in k-2 | 16:30 |
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| thingee | and now punted to k-3 | 16:30 |
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| cebruns | Having the prioritized one-stop-shop for "what people should be reviewing" is good but also need owners assigned IMHO | 16:31 |
| rhe00_ | well, then that seems to be one of the main issues. Following the priority would give a natural fall out. IMO | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | thingee: one problem with that one was it was in WIP for a long time, so I thought I'll wait when it is ready | 16:31 |
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| thingee | xyang2: I guess it's just about people watching it for updates. | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | thingee: when are you making the k-2 cut? | 16:31 |
| thingee | today if I can | 16:32 |
| thingee | #topic Volume replication update | 16:32 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: I'm guessing this is you? | 16:32 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-replication-redoc | 16:32 |
| dulek | I'm not sure if you're aware of that - http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 16:32 |
| dulek | This prioretizes reviews based on BP or bug priority | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: How did you guess? | 16:33 |
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| avishay | ... | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | So, not a lot of discussion here. I just wanted to update people. We have a document out there with documentation: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-replication-redoc | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | That is the documentation that was already out there and we have started improving. | 16:34 |
| thingee | dulek: I am, thanks. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | I also have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152735/ which is the updated spec. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | I think given that there was some documentation on this out here, the heart of the problem was the total disconnected between the spec and the implemented code. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | So, hope getting that change up will help us get beyond this. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | ronenkat apologized profusely for not wrapping up the documentation. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | On a related note we have been chasing the volume migration issues and I will send you a follow up note with progress on that after the meeting. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | So, that is the udpate there. All, please take a look at the links above and comment. | 16:36 |
| ronenkat | and have come in person, to repeat that apology | 16:36 |
| cebruns | I thought code _was_ the documentation? JK! | 16:37 |
| thingee | ronenkat: in person would be you knocking on my door, right now ;) | 16:37 |
| rhe00_ | jungleboy: this is the kind of document every feature should have. helps driver developers to know what to implement. thanks! | 16:37 |
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| ronenkat | that I would need to apologize again... too far a way for me.... | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | rhe00_: Thank you. | 16:37 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: so what action items do you need from us besides the etherpad? | 16:38 |
| xyang2 | does this doc eventually go to the cloud admin doc? | 16:38 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj, thanks for following up on this | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Other than look at the etherpad and the updated spec, that is it. | 16:38 |
| thingee | I'd recommend just having us look at it when there is a review posted in the cinder specs and doc. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to better understand what really went wrong here. I am thinking that th lesson learned is to keep specs in sync with what actually goes in. | 16:39 |
| thingee | that way, it'll be easier to leave comments | 16:39 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: also it would help to involve the people who were asking help with volume replication for their driver. | 16:39 |
| thingee | I have an email address I think | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, so you would like us to take what is in the etherpad and get the doc code posted? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: That would be helpful. | 16:40 |
| thingee | I just think it would be easier to post comments and what not | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | ronenkat:^^ | 16:40 |
| thingee | but I appreicate the quick turn around on this | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Of course. Like I said, I will follow up on volume migration via e-mail. | 16:41 |
| thingee | #action jungleboyj or ronenkat to post reviews to cinder specs and docs | 16:41 |
| winston-d | xyang2: a doc like that for CG could be helpful too. | 16:41 |
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| jnrao | rejoined. | 16:41 |
| thingee | #action thingee to give jungleboyj any contacts interested in volume replication | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: The spec is posted. I will respond to comments. | 16:41 |
| xyang2 | winston-d: I've already submitted doc for CG in cloud admin doc | 16:41 |
| thingee | winston-d: there is one | 16:41 |
| xyang2 | winston-d: that is why I'm asking | 16:41 |
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| xyang2 | winston-d: my cg doc is already merged | 16:42 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks anything else? | 16:42 |
| winston-d | xyang2, thingee good to know. | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | winston-d: if we need a doc for developers, I'm not sure where to submit | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | That is it. Thanks. | 16:42 |
| rhe00_ | how about on the wiki? | 16:42 |
| kmartin | ronenkat, this is probably a good section to add it too, http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_manage-volumes.html | 16:42 |
| thingee | #topic What is a driver in Cinder - Reminder of k-1 deadline | 16:42 |
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| ronenkat | for developer docs, the best way to my view in as function comments - that is what I did for replication | 16:43 |
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| thingee | Ok, so yesterday there appears to be some confusion around what is a volume driver in Cinder. I want to understand if people think I'm out of line on this. | 16:43 |
| xyang2 | winston-d: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/consistency-groups.html | 16:43 |
| ronenkat | kmartin: Thanks! | 16:43 |
| thingee | When we post a new volume driver to Cinder, it's usually to support a particular fabric | 16:43 |
| winston-d | xyang2: thx! | 16:43 |
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| thingee | if you post an update to that driver for another fabric support, it's another driver | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | thingee: your design session in Atlanta?:) | 16:44 |
| thingee | IMO, even if it's a configuration change for you to go from iscsi to fc (and imo you have more problems if you're not inheriting off the fc base class) that's a new driver as well | 16:45 |
| erlon | thingee: doesnt it need to be a new Class? I think is also an option for defining | 16:45 |
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| thingee | with that said, we stopped accepting new drivers in K. That was k-1. I have already had to say no to couple of people already because of the confusion with this. | 16:45 |
| thingee | erlon: I have a couple examples of where people did via config opts in the same class. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I am going to have trouble telling the story internally, but that isn't your problem. :-) | 16:46 |
| erlon | thingee: I could extend my driver with a few changes to support another model | 16:46 |
| avishay | erlon: not necessarily | 16:46 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: So I feel bad honestly with you being an example, but I thought this was clear. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I have been the example lately. Go for it. | 16:47 |
| erlon | for example you could have a family of models that share similar functions and API, so, no need to add another driver | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Your concerns and hemna 's are legit. I will take that back and work it. | 16:47 |
| thingee | I will agree that we have to rethink big driver changes for talking to new arrays...those are questionable of a new driver of the problem we're trying to reduce in the last milestones | 16:47 |
| avishay | it wasn't clear IMO, but if you think about it, it requires a CI, so i think it makes sense | 16:47 |
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| bswartz | erlon: that violates the spirit of the rule | 16:48 |
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| patrickeast | should we add a section to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver to clarify what a exactly counts as a driver? | 16:48 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: +1 | 16:48 |
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| rhe00_ | patrickeast: +1 | 16:48 |
| rushiagr | patrickeast: +1 | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | So, here is my 2 cents. | 16:48 |
| thingee | #action how to contribute a driver needs to have information on what is a driver | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | I think the IBM change, you are right on. Requires a new CI, it is a new driver. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Too late. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | As far as the driver updates go, that is frustrating for the release but probably not fair to block them now. Need to come up with a stance for L. | 16:49 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: I agree. we need to rethink driver updates. It's too crazy right now :( | 16:50 |
| thingee | just people freaked out the last time I brought it up in the midcycle meetup | 16:51 |
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| thingee | even when I was just talk about L | 16:51 |
| thingee | talking* | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | Just to make sure I have it right, new drivers by 1, updates to drivers by 2, bug fixes till the end? | 16:51 |
| thingee | smcginnis: so I really want that | 16:52 |
| jnrao | Does this include zone manager? | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds reasonable. Need to document what 'updates' are though./ | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | New functionaliity that was not previously available. | 16:52 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | jnrao: Oy vey. | 16:52 |
| erlon | jnrao: I think it should | 16:53 |
| thingee | If we did do that. new driver features put in cinder core, need to happen in 1, so that in 2 people can make them happen in that release | 16:53 |
| jnrao | ok. | 16:53 |
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| rajinir_r | Can refactoring code be considered updates? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | thingee: problem is new feature never gets merged in 1 | 16:53 |
| thingee | xyang2: right | 16:53 |
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| xyang2 | unless if it is left over from previous release | 16:53 |
| thingee | and we have all new drivers coming in 1 | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | thingee, xyang2 Or merged by the end of one release to be available in the next for drivers? | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Oh, what you said. :) | 16:54 |
| xyang2 | we can hardly get new features merged by 2 | 16:54 |
| thingee | xyang2: +1 | 16:54 |
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| thingee | honestly though, I think if I went around and just -2 things that aren't targeted and had people sign up early for reviews, maybe things would be better in the first milestone | 16:55 |
| thingee | xyang2: ^ | 16:55 |
| kmartin | thingee, I think I'm okay with that as long as it communicated clearly at the start of a release or before | 16:55 |
| * jungleboyj sees a chicken and egg problem | 16:55 | |
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| xyang2 | kmartin: +1 | 16:55 |
| erlon | kmartin: +1 | 16:56 |
| erlon | and announced on the ML | 16:56 |
| kmartin | 15 new drivers did land in K1 that a lot | 16:56 |
| thingee | it could be possible for new features to leak into 2, but I would leave that at the discretion of the ptl...will it merge early enough for new drivers to implement | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: We did that pretty well as advertised minus the rush at the end. | 16:56 |
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| kmartin | jungleboyj, +1 but i think that might of caused the backlog | 16:57 |
| thingee | ok, I think I got the information I need from you all on this. I'll try to formulate something and propose something early. | 16:57 |
| rhe00_ | if the BP for the feature is approved in 1, then driver devs have time to code against that for 2. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I think we have to expect that some updates are going to hang over into K-3, but we handle that on a case by case basis. | 16:58 |
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| thingee | #topic Open discussion | 16:58 |
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| thingee | 1.5 mins left! | 16:58 |
| rhe00_ | kmartin metioned the idea of a cross company presentation at the summit. Are we moving forward on that? If so, what's the forum for planning a presentation? | 16:58 |
| flip214 | let's waste them. Simply as that. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | So much for a short meeting. ;) | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I have had nothing but non-short meetings since 7:30 am. | 16:59 |
| kmartin | rhe00_, let me know if your interested in FC | 16:59 |
| nikesh_vedams | 14 feb deadline for what? | 16:59 |
| flip214 | jungleboyj: which $TZ? | 16:59 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 17:00:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-04-16.04.html | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: we need to nail down those ideas. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-04-16.04.txt | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-04-16.04.log.html | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | flip214: Central. | 17:00 |
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| rushiagr | o/ | 17:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:01 |
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| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
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| sarob | morning salman | 18:12 |
| Salman | Hi Sean | 18:12 |
| sarob | almost ready for the last session? | 18:12 |
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| Salman | yes getting there | 18:12 |
| Salman | I send you the slides | 18:13 |
| Salman | last week | 18:13 |
| Salman | did you get the chance to convert them | 18:13 |
| Salman | Can you also send me the link to the location of the document you uploaded to. | 18:14 |
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| sarob | which document? | 18:20 |
| sarob | i havent pushed your slides from last week yet | 18:20 |
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| sarob | salman? | 18:24 |
| Salman | Hi | 18:25 |
| Salman | Hi Sarob | 18:26 |
| sarob | salman: which document are you asking about? | 18:26 |
| sarob | Salman: separate from the slides? | 18:26 |
| sarob | Salman: we branched finally last week | 18:26 |
| sarob | Salman: but some cleanup work is underway | 18:27 |
| sarob | Salman: im going to push your new slides today | 18:27 |
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| sarob | salman: ready for tomorrow night's session? | 18:32 |
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| Salman | yes I am getting ready | 18:33 |
| sarob | Salman: cool | 18:33 |
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| sarob | salman: so which document where you asking about? | 18:36 |
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| Salman | I am asking the location where you will be pushing the slides | 18:37 |
| Salman | so that I can see them once they are uploaded | 18:37 |
| sarob | ah | 18:38 |
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| sarob | salman: #link docs.openstack.org/training-guides | 18:38 |
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| sarob | Salman: we have branched, but havent pushed the slide format yet | 18:39 |
| Salman | sarob: Ok | 18:39 |
| Salman | sarob: thanks for the clarification. | 18:40 |
| sarob | Salman: i worked out the automation so the slides get rendered | 18:40 |
| Salman | sarob: any other question? I need to go for another meeting. | 18:40 |
| sarob | Salman: nope | 18:40 |
| sarob | Salman: thanks for checking in | 18:40 |
| Salman | sarob: see you tomorrow. | 18:40 |
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| sarob | Salman: i wont be able to join tomorrow | 18:41 |
| sarob | Salman: but rick will be there | 18:41 |
| Salman | sarob: ok no problem. | 18:41 |
| sarob | Salman: cheers | 18:41 |
| Salman | cheers | 18:41 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 18:41:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-04-18.01.html | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-04-18.01.txt | 18:41 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 19:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:00 |
| zaitcev | o/ | 19:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | 🆗 | 19:00 |
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| acoles | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:01 |
| peluse_ | yo | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | hey notmyname :) | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #topic swift 2.2.2 release | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | this happened. thanks for working on it | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | that's about all I had there. unless there are any questions or concerns | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon next week | 19:03 |
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| zaitcev | Nothing important | 19:03 |
| mattoliverau | woo | 19:03 |
| notmyname | I think most of you are coming to san francisco next week for the hackathon | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing you here | 19:03 |
| zaitcev | Same here. | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | like normal, we'll come up with some topic and agenda items first thing on monday morning | 19:04 |
| notmyname | for logistics, there's an evening event on tuesday night | 19:04 |
| peluse_ | yes! | 19:04 |
| notmyname | bay cruise and dinner | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | yes yes yes! | 19:05 |
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| mattoliverau | cool | 19:05 |
| cschwede | great :) | 19:05 |
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| tdasilva | Nice! | 19:05 |
| acoles | sounds good | 19:05 |
| zaitcev | I dunno, it's probably cold as heck at bay. I'm afraid to catch a cold. | 19:05 |
| notmyname | as to other logistics, are there any concerns or things I can help with? hotels, transportation, weather, etc? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: bring a coat | 19:05 |
| kota_ | nice | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | and plenty of "anti-freeze" :) | 19:06 |
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| mattoliverau | oh yeah.. its like winter | 19:06 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: yes, please fix the weather :) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: what do you mean? I love SF weather :-) | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | we should have plenty of power and network and space. should be a good few days | 19:07 |
| notmyname | any questions about it? | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | Can I park in the front? | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | ha! | 19:07 |
| cschwede | we start at 9am monday morning, right? | 19:07 |
| notmyname | ah. parking is a good question | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: no | 19:07 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yes | 19:07 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: no | 19:08 |
| tdasilva | Lol | 19:08 |
| notmyname | don't get a rental car. | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | FYI I think I get in at about 10 Mon morn... will get there as quickly as I can though | 19:08 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: sorry, ir was a joke | 19:08 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: good point though | 19:08 |
| notmyname | we'll have some muni passes if you want to get around the city. parking is terrible and there's plenty of transportation available. so unless you're going a long way outside of SF, don't get a car | 19:09 |
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| acoles | peluse_: don't you get dropped by corporate helicopter or something? | 19:09 |
| mahatic_ | notmyname, nice stuff. If you told me there was going to cruise and dinner, I would have booked my tickets! ;) | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | parachute this time I think :) | 19:09 |
| zaitcev | I'm going to commute from by BART | 19:09 |
| zaitcev | The recommended Pickwick asked $1500 | 19:10 |
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| peluse_ | Pickwick?? | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | the Pickwick is a hotel near the hackathon | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | hotel nearby. I was told we had a corporate rate there. but I don't know the details | 19:11 |
| zaitcev | It's not even near really. Pickwick is near the old office. | 19:11 |
| peluse | ahhh | 19:11 |
| notmyname | it's still walking distance :-) | 19:11 |
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| mattoliverau | its 10 minute walk apparrently | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | thats where i'll be | 19:11 |
| notmyname | if you have any problems or questions on your transport in, my cell is 254-722-3321. give me a call if you need me | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | #topic current things we're working on | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | peluse: can you give us a quick EC status update? | 19:12 |
| peluse | sure, main work since last meeting is around reconstructor | 19:12 |
| peluse | 2 patches, once code and one design spec, links coming... onse sec | 19:13 |
| peluse | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131872/ | 19:13 |
| peluse | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142146/ | 19:13 |
| peluse | and tsg will ahve an update this week on the last part of the PUT sequence (the .durable file) | 19:13 |
| peluse | trello and priority reviews are up to date | 19:13 |
| peluse | the mroe folks that can read the design spec before next week the better | 19:14 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:14 |
| peluse | its all pretty well up to date (maybe a few minor details off) but main design is up to date | 19:14 |
| notmyname | yes, I expect EC to take up a lot of time next week | 19:14 |
| peluse | that'a all I got for now :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | after the resconstructor and PUT path, the GET is is the only major outstanding piece, right? | 19:15 |
| peluse | for basic functionlity yes | 19:15 |
| peluse | we still have a lot fo work to do on tests and performance validation | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | right. tests are mandatory | 19:15 |
| peluse | well, maybe characterization is a better qualifier for performance | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:15 |
| notmyname | but the basic functionality is the goal | 19:16 |
| notmyname | and the goal is for the openstack kilo release | 19:16 |
| peluse | and a few misc code parts also, still some great opportunties for folks to jump in near the end here and contribute! | 19:16 |
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| * peluse is always hopeful but not holding breath on this one (for Kilo) | 19:16 | |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | acoles: you've been working on some service token stuff | 19:17 |
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| briancline | i've been living under a rock - when's kilo supposed to be out? | 19:17 |
| notmyname | briancline: two months (ish) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | briancline: early april | 19:17 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, well, reviewing donagh's patch, which is in good shape. | 19:17 |
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| briancline | thanks | 19:17 |
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| acoles | ready for other reviews imho: https://review.openstack.org/137086 | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/137086 | 19:18 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:18 |
| acoles | i know mattoliverau and ho have already reviewed which is great | 19:18 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: :) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | acoles and cschwede have some "change the ring part power stuff" | 19:19 |
| acoles | btw, much of the (large) line change count is doc and tests | 19:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: cschwede: that was fun to wake up to this morning :-) | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | I'm going to have to read me some scroll back then | 19:20 |
| acoles | yeah, i put up a spec today https://review.openstack.org/152935 , welcome feedback on that if folks get chance | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 19:20 |
| notmyname | and mattoliverau has been working on some container sharding ideas to better handle large containers | 19:20 |
| peluse | ahh, cool | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | Yup, theres a brain dump spec | 19:20 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139921/ | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139921/ | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 19:21 |
| mattoliverau | Working on 2 POC's to pad out issues, they in my github account | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | cool | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to talking about it next week :-) | 19:21 |
| mattoliverau | path hashing and distributed prefix trees | 19:21 |
| mattoliverau | me too! | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | there's one patch and one bug I wanted to bring up in here | 19:22 |
| notmyname | (quickly, I've got to run in 8 minutes) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137659/ | 19:22 |
| notmyname | this is an issue that hubic/ovw (hosting provider in EU) is running in to and wants to see land ASAP | 19:22 |
| notmyname | looks like one outstanding issue raised by tdasilva | 19:23 |
| peluse | OK, I can sign up to look at it this afternoon | 19:23 |
| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the issue from tdasilva is a config issue so looking at the code shouldn't be blocked by that | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the other is a bug | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | my test system doesn't have a new-enough kernel to even try that out :| | 19:24 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1379252 | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | in python-swiftclient | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I've come across two people just this week who want to use --skip-identical with large objects (SLO) | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | adding in the bug submitter, that's 3 production users hitting this issue | 19:24 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: try on fedora ;) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | right now it's just a bug and no code to review, but it would be good to at least think of some ideas on how to solve it and leave comments | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: lol | 19:25 |
| notmyname | what other issues or current tasks do you want to bring up this week? | 19:26 |
| mattoliverau | meeting next week? | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 19:26 |
| notmyname | no meeting next week | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ok, if there's nothing else to bring up, let's call it | 19:27 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:27 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 19:27:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-04-19.00.html | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-04-19.00.txt | 19:27 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 22:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 22:01 |
| jaypipes | sgordon: heyo | 22:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 22:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 22:01 |
| beagles | hi | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:01 | |
| sgordon | hi jaypipes, beagles | 22:01 |
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| sgordon | who else is here for the telco working group meeting | 22:01 |
| pjnaik1990_ | Hello, I am a newbie to Openstack. I found it very interesting and a good platform to learn. I read about the Congress project and would like to contribute towards it. Could anybody help me with any idea or a small part where I could contribute. | 22:01 |
| sgordon | mkoderer ? | 22:01 |
| pgpus | Hi rprakash hetre and have MNO-MVNO use case added today | 22:01 |
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| sgordon | pjnaik1990_, might be better off asking in #openstack | 22:02 |
| pgpus | await steveg | 22:02 |
| aveiga | o/ | 22:02 |
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| pgpus | This is telcowg right? | 22:02 |
| sgordon | yes | 22:02 |
| jaypipes | yep | 22:02 |
| sgordon | #topic action items from last week | 22:02 |
| pgpus | OK then I am finne | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:02 | |
| sgordon | mkoderer was to define scope of OpenStack HA use case clearly | 22:02 |
| sgordon | i had a look at the minutes and relevant etherpad since i was afk last week | 22:03 |
| pgpus | Ok | 22:03 |
| sgordon | seems like this is still wip | 22:03 |
| pjnaik1990_ | okay | 22:03 |
| sgordon | so i will carry the action item over for us to check back next week | 22:03 |
| sgordon | #action mkoderer define scope of OpenStack HA use case clearly | 22:03 |
| sgordon | #topic use cases | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "use cases (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:03 | |
| sgordon | #topic use cases - mechanism | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "use cases - mechanism (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:03 | |
| pgpus | OK I can share this MNO-MVNO use case for discussion if this is right time | 22:03 |
| sgordon | before we attempt to dive in there was a lot of discussion in the previous meetings about how we facilitate | 22:03 |
| pgpus | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mno-mvno | 22:03 |
| sgordon | the recording and reviewing of use cases | 22:04 |
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| sgordon | pgpus, please hold up until we get to it | 22:04 |
| sgordon | agenda is in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 22:04 |
| pgpus | No problems will wait | 22:04 |
| sgordon | i added your item | 22:04 |
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| sgordon | so in terms of trying to record use cases we started off with the wiki | 22:04 |
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| sgordon | we then moved to etherpad | 22:04 |
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| sgordon | and now there is a suggestion to use gerrit (e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152940/1 ) | 22:05 |
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| sgordon | i dont really have a strong preference except that we should use ONE | 22:05 |
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| sgordon | :) | 22:05 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 22:05 |
| sgordon | so e.g. if we pick etherpad | 22:05 |
| sgordon | we should remove the stuff on the wiki and just have the links | 22:05 |
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| sgordon | conversely if we choose wiki let's scrub the etherpads and so on | 22:05 |
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| sgordon | i think etherpad or gerrit best provides for inline feedback which is what we seemed to be missing to start with | 22:06 |
| sgordon | thoughts? | 22:06 |
| aveiga | I'll +1 not the wiki | 22:06 |
| jaypipes | gerrit ++ | 22:06 |
| jaypipes | it's the "openstack way" | 22:06 |
| aveiga | I'd prefer gerrit as well, but not all Telcos contribute code and would know how to use it... | 22:07 |
| sgordon | yes, the main concern about gerrit has been having a barrier to use | 22:07 |
| jaypipes | just have a repo called nfv-specs or something like that | 22:07 |
| sgordon | mkoderer bucked the trend a bit by just doing it | 22:07 |
| pgpus | sure it is Etherpad way + | 22:07 |
| aveiga | and since these are use cases used to identify gaps instead of writing the specs... | 22:07 |
| jaypipes | just like he openstack-specs repository. | 22:07 |
| sgordon | and suggesting those of us that know how to gerrit could submit | 22:07 |
| jaypipes | mkoderer is awesome like that :) | 22:07 |
| sgordon | indeed | 22:07 |
| sgordon | so i think if we go with a repo we dont want to name it specs | 22:08 |
| aveiga | +1 | 22:08 |
| sgordon | per what aveiga was saying in that we are aiming for it to be use cases | 22:08 |
| jaypipes | sure, makes sense | 22:08 |
| sgordon | which ideally would end up in the justification/use case section of specs eventually | 22:08 |
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| aveiga | specs are for definining how code shuld be writte, use cases are here to figure out what we need to write | 22:08 |
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| sgordon | does someone have to have signed the CLA to provide feedback on gerrit? | 22:08 |
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| sgordon | or just be a member? | 22:09 |
| jaypipes | yes | 22:09 |
| jaypipes | CLA, IIRC | 22:09 |
| aveiga | gerrit login requires the CLA | 22:09 |
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| jaypipes | oh wait, no... | 22:09 |
| jaypipes | gerrit login does not require CLA. only launchpad ID. | 22:09 |
| * aveiga thinks maybe we should check? | 22:09 | |
| sgordon | right | 22:09 |
| pgpus | See even if we use etherpad we can add diagrams using asciflow like IETF docs and that helps in use case expalinations | 22:09 |
| jaypipes | to submit a patch you need to sign the CLA, though. | 22:09 |
| sgordon | i will take a note to double check if you can comment | 22:09 |
| sgordon | you definitely do to submit of course | 22:10 |
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| sgordon | #info sgordon to check if you need to sign CLA to *comment* on gerrit | 22:10 |
| jaypipes | sgordon: you do not need to sign the CLA to comment. | 22:10 |
| sgordon | #info consensus seems to be "not the wiki" for use cases | 22:10 |
| sgordon | #info jaypipes points out that you do not need to sign the CLA to comment. | 22:10 |
| jaypipes | heh | 22:10 |
| sgordon | ok | 22:11 |
| sgordon | so i think i am happy enough if we go down the gerrit path | 22:11 |
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| pgpus | #info without CLA how do you get to use etherpad , I thought thats normal | 22:11 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to request git repo via infra | 22:12 |
| aveiga | let's make sure the wiki points to a gerrit filter for the use cases, at least | 22:12 |
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| sgordon | #info wiki will need to point to a gerrit filter for use cases, if not specific links | 22:12 |
| aveiga | it's likely to be a jumping in point for lots of people | 22:12 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 22:12 |
| sgordon | #info wiki will also need links to the how to contribute info to get people up and running with a lp account | 22:12 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to update wiki reflecting all of the things | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | ok | 22:13 |
| sgordon | so having said all that | 22:13 |
| sgordon | #topic use cases - wip | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | pgpus, you wanted to raise your WIP use case? | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mno-mvno | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | for me, as a relative noob, the links between the characteristics, requirements and associated blueprints | 22:14 |
| sgordon | are not immediately obvious | 22:14 |
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| sgordon | pgpus, can you comment for example on the link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-administrative-boundary ? | 22:15 |
| sgordon | (not saying this isn't a desirable thing, just wondering how it is specific to this use case) | 22:16 |
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| pgpus | yes | 22:17 |
| pgpus | So do you want me to describe the use case | 22:18 |
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| pgpus | See what happens is MNO and MVNO form a Hierarcy | 22:18 |
| pgpus | That can be addressed in one way through Keystone | 22:19 |
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| pgpus | So this is one of the requirments to help Provider to eg lease resouces to sub-provider (like MNO to MVNO) | 22:20 |
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| pgpus | MNO services to MVNO is critical for the both MNO wholesale & MVNO retails markets. As we look to virtualize our Network Functions, VNF instantiation on a MNO/MVNO needs to be addressed since resource pooling, IP address management and placement of VNF is important. This Proposal is to focus on Resource Pooling, MNO/MVNO IPAM designs and VNF placements in Openstack orchestration for Mobile Networ | 22:21 |
| pgpus | k Nodes Topology. This will allow interoperable VNF for an MVNO to use its and MNO resources optimally, within the address space allocated top dpown, plus configuring subscriber SIM & APN service on a Mobile Phone to use MVNO or MNO (in-network) as preferred access end points. Thus the effort will contribute to standardization of MNO, MVO and subscriber interactions from whole sale, retail t | 22:21 |
| pgpus | o operations and third party billings. | 22:21 |
| sgordon | so i guess what i am getting at is reading the description as is | 22:21 |
| sgordon | the link is not immediately obvious because the description doesn't actually explain what the use case is, from an openstack pov | 22:22 |
| sgordon | that is, it doesn't explain what MNO or MVNO actually is, and how it would be designed/deployed/used | 22:22 |
| pgpus | DO you want me describe the use case through examples are state just requirments? | 22:23 |
| sgordon | i would recommend revisiting the description section in the etherpad | 22:23 |
| sgordon | and trying to explain it in clearer terms for the non-telco crowd we need to reach to actually design/implement solutions | 22:24 |
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| sgordon | the requirements section isn't as bad, but for instance to an openstack developer what does "3. Ability to provision a Subscriber SIM for LTE from MNO (like AT&T) by MVNO" actually mean | 22:24 |
| pgpus | An MNO sells their resources like P=GW, S-GW with saome address ranges to use and MVNO in turn uses the segment or slice allocated to issue SIMS based on APNs etc | 22:24 |
| sgordon | im not asking for the explanation now :) | 22:24 |
| sgordon | just suggesting updating the etherpad some more keeping these points in mind | 22:25 |
| pgpus | OK correct me what your feedback is and will fix it | 22:25 |
| jaypipes | ugh, so many damn TLAs. | 22:25 |
| sgordon | indeed | 22:25 |
| sgordon | i think it's important to note that we're trying to bridge the gap between telcos and the broader openstack community here | 22:26 |
| pgpus | Certainly Mobile Network has this will add Glosaryy to expain TLAs | 22:26 |
| sgordon | and a lot of the TLAs common in the telco land are not well understood here | 22:26 |
| pgpus | Agreed , let me try simply (what terminology you want changed) suggest please | 22:26 |
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| pgpus | shall i call MONO Opeartps and MVNO a Virtual Opeartor for example | 22:27 |
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| jaypipes | what is "Opeartps"? | 22:27 |
| * beagles is hoping it is a typo - Operator and virtual operator | 22:28 | |
| pgpus | Operator is Carrier or Provider of Mobile Network Services | 22:28 |
| jaypipes | and Virtual Operator == reseller? | 22:28 |
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| pgpus | can call it Wholesale provider and reseller but indusry uses term as MNO and MVNO like Google is becoming an MVNO by using T-Mobile and Sprint for issuing its Phone subscriptions | 22:29 |
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| jaypipes | I see, ok, thank you pgpus | 22:29 |
| aveiga | pgpus: I think what sgordon was trying to tell you is most people writing code for OpenStack aren't part of your industry, so terms you take for granted will not be well understood | 22:30 |
| jaypipes | right. | 22:30 |
| sgordon | right, so that makes more sense to someone coming from a non-telco background | 22:30 |
| sgordon | which is what i would recommend keeping in mind throughout | 22:31 |
| pgpus | We have a firealarm here I will be forced to quit please advice me on your feednbacks and will fix it | 22:31 |
| sgordon | ok no problem | 22:31 |
| pgpus | Fortunate it was afalse alarm | 22:31 |
| sgordon | there were a couple of implementation things on my list to check in on | 22:31 |
| pgpus | I am back | 22:32 |
| sgordon | ijw_, do you happen to be around? | 22:32 |
| ijw_ | no | 22:32 |
| jaypipes | heh | 22:32 |
| ijw_ | Never heard of the guy | 22:32 |
| beagles | nice | 22:32 |
| ijw_ | VLAN and MTU? | 22:32 |
| jaypipes | pgpus: soo..... | 22:32 |
| sgordon | #topic implementation | 22:32 |
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| sgordon | ijw_, why yes :) | 22:32 |
| ijw_ | In progress, though I've just had someone sound worried about the implementation timeline, so I'll be warming up my emacs to get a few of the bits done myself | 22:33 |
| aveiga | ijw_: do tell, as I'm sorely interested | 22:33 |
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| sgordon | ijw_, what are the actual deadlines from neutron POV | 22:33 |
| jaypipes | pgpus: when I read this use case, I have a stream of questions for each bullet point, starting with "how is this relevant to OpenStack -- specifically Neutron and nova" | 22:33 |
| ijw_ | 3 March is the one they raised | 22:33 |
| sgordon | for nova everything is basically frozen for work not on the priorities list as of tomorrow | 22:33 |
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| jaypipes | pgpus: for example: "Standardize the APIs for Mobile Network Provisioning, Usage, recharging, billing, payments both Resource facing South Bound and Subscriber/Prvider facing North Bound" | 22:33 |
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| jaypipes | pgpus: what does that have to do with OpenStack? | 22:34 |
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| ijw_ | We may have an MTU change in Nova, it sets up the veth gubbins (technical term) and so we might want to pass the MTU across the plugging interface | 22:34 |
| pgpus | Since the SIM (Subscriber ID Module) can be issued with private labeling and APN (Access Point Names) or private DNS Names used in Carrier for public access to Originating or Terminating Mobile devices with IP alloacted from Packet Gateway Pools | 22:34 |
| aveiga | ijw_: will this carry over in a method consumable by the ml2 architecture? | 22:34 |
| sgordon | ijw_, ok - that might be problematic based on my understanding of the rigidness with which the freeze is to be enforced this time | 22:34 |
| ijw_ | pgpus: joining in quickly - I don't think what you're talking about is a VIM level requirement | 22:34 |
| aveiga | i.e. telling the local mech driver to set to X | 22:34 |
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| ijw_ | aveiga: this isn't nova-network, this is the Neutron side of a standard OVS VIF plug | 22:35 |
| ijw_ | In fact, it's more than Neutron itself needs to do, and shouldn't affect future implementations | 22:35 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: can we check with someone? | 22:35 |
| aveiga | wekkm doesn't the layer 2 implemention need to at least meet if not exceed that MTU? | 22:36 |
| aveiga | wel, even | 22:36 |
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| aveiga | well and damn this keyboard | 22:36 |
| ijw_ | aveiga: and at least initially we ask the mech driver what X it would prefer - the setting, at the moment, is not going to be implemented, per the spec | 22:36 |
| pgpus | Neutron Side ML2 has Type and Mechanism drivers, Type does Proptoal selection and Mechnism the run times for the APIs supported for Objetts | 22:36 |
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| ijw_ | aveiga: I think you have it upside down | 22:36 |
| aveiga | ah, ok | 22:36 |
| aveiga | that's what I thought | 22:36 |
| pgpus | like Openflow using OVS or other like OVSDB for ODL | 22:37 |
| ijw_ | aveiga: Idea is that we find out what the fabric will do (for now) and report it | 22:37 |
| sgordon | right | 22:37 |
| sgordon | and that is all | 22:37 |
| ijw_ | pgpus: I think you're in the wrong channel. | 22:37 |
| aveiga | that's much better | 22:37 |
| pgpus | So Plugin has standard API for Neutron and Driver does deply them on Compute nodes | 22:37 |
| pgpus | rest is RPC mecahnism | 22:37 |
| ijw_ | Bearing in mind that nothing you say is relevant to this meeting and this meeting will be recorded and googleable for all time | 22:37 |
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| sgordon | pgpus, we're talking about a fairly specific change now | 22:38 |
| pgpus | OK I will listen rather coment for now | 22:38 |
| sgordon | ijw_, i think the challenge is atm from a nova perspective we don't have a code change to point to | 22:39 |
| aveiga | sgordon: chicken and egg? | 22:40 |
| sgordon | aveiga, yeah | 22:40 |
| sgordon | aveiga, normal neutron/nova interaction :) | 22:40 |
| aveiga | kinda like the IPv6 adoption argument :) | 22:40 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: usual problem, I'm afraid | 22:40 |
| sgordon | ijw_, am i correct in understanding that the nova part would be desirable but not mandatory? | 22:41 |
| * sc68cal grumbles | 22:41 | |
| ijw_ | At the point that Neutron does all its side of the MTU work the Nova side is kind of a bug | 22:41 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: it's the veth MTU that matters, we could probably just configure it large | 22:41 |
| aveiga | sgordon: you need it for the guest interface to actually use the MTU | 22:41 |
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| aveiga | otherwise, nova's just going to plug like a standard 1500byte | 22:42 |
| sgordon | yeah | 22:42 |
| sgordon | there is no nova work on the vlan reporting right? | 22:43 |
| ijw_ | Nope. | 22:43 |
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| ijw_ | Nova either works with vlans or we're buggered, I think | 22:44 |
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| sgordon | indeedy | 22:44 |
| ijw_ | And while I admit I'm a bit qemu-centric it's hard to see what could go wrong with vlans (or indeed MTUs) between the Neutron binding point and the machine in any circumstance | 22:45 |
| sgordon | #info vlan trunking and mtu advertisement/selection implementation pending, potential issues with nova changes for the latter colliding with freeze | 22:45 |
| sgordon | yeah i agree | 22:45 |
| sgordon | i had a couple of other fun ones | 22:46 |
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| sgordon | start with the easy one and work back | 22:46 |
| sgordon | #info I/O based NUMA scheduling is looking relatively good | 22:46 |
| sgordon | not sure if it merged or is somewhere in the gate still | 22:46 |
| sgordon | soft affinity for server groups is in a fair amount of bother i would say | 22:47 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/soft-affinity-for-server-group,n,z | 22:47 |
| sgordon | Balazs has been iterating on them but still a number of items outstanding | 22:47 |
| sgordon | reviews welcome etc. | 22:47 |
| pgpus | #info But looks it was abandoned | 22:48 |
| sgordon | ijw_, now i might need your help wrapping my dense head around where the ML2 port security implementation is up to, are these competing implementations?: | 22:48 |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ml2-ovs-portsecurity,n,z | 22:48 |
| sgordon | pgpus, no it's alive, the abandoned one was the juno proposal | 22:49 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: the one thing we require is that there is a way to turn the bloody address/mac filtering off | 22:49 |
| sgordon | pgpus, it was approved again for kilo | 22:49 |
| pgpus | #ino OK i see | 22:49 |
| sgordon | ijw_, right - so is this just a continuation of trying to boil the ocean on this? | 22:50 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: and Isaku's proposal was the one that seemed to have the most support and be compatible with that | 22:50 |
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| ijw_ | sgordon: well, no-one would let me make a nice cup of tea | 22:50 |
| aveiga | haha | 22:50 |
| sgordon | ok | 22:51 |
| sgordon | i dont know what else to say about that lol | 22:51 |
| ijw_ | So I see it's blocked, but that seems to be because it's a WIP block. I don't think we're looking at a problem here. I'll check with Shweta. | 22:51 |
| pgpus | #info rk mentions the use of session level security rather at Plugin level as each time security context may change thus he is right on that | 22:52 |
| sgordon | yeah | 22:52 |
| sgordon | it seems to be getting good feedback from bob | 22:52 |
| sgordon | just needs some more iterations | 22:52 |
| sgordon | #action ijw_ checking with Sweta if any blocking issues on ML2 port security | 22:52 |
| sgordon | #topic open discussion | 22:53 |
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| sgordon | anyone got any good jokes? | 22:53 |
| sgordon | again i will mention the operators mid-cycle is coming up | 22:53 |
| sgordon | this is a general event for openstack operators of all types, agenda here: | 22:53 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 22:53 |
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| aveiga | if you plan on atending, make sure you register | 22:54 |
| sgordon | i would encourage attendance more from a meeting other types of operators point of view | 22:54 |
| aveiga | it's a limited seat event | 22:54 |
| sgordon | we may have a small telco gathering based on who is there | 22:54 |
| sgordon | but i dont think at this stage i would recommend travelling just based on that | 22:54 |
| aveiga | even if it's informal; I'm up for taking a Telco BoF to a pub | 22:54 |
| sgordon | but rather the opportunity to provide feedback on some of the more general sessions | 22:54 |
| sgordon | yeah | 22:54 |
| ijw_ | Translation of pgpus's comments earlier, btw: MVO would be an owner of basestations like ATT, Verizon etc. MVNO is someone who buys capacity and resells it - Cricket come to mind because of their annoying ads | 22:54 |
| pgpus | Any even at LF meet at Santa Rosa Feb 18-20? | 22:55 |
| ijw_ | I'm there | 22:55 |
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| pgpus | #action we shall meet and see how OPNFV passes use cases to telcowg | 22:55 |
| ijw_ | aveiga: +1 | 22:55 |
| sgordon | #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit | 22:55 |
| sgordon | i assume you are referring to OPNFV meetings running in conjunction with the collab summit? | 22:56 |
| * ijw_ has seen your homebrew work, and expects careful thought and selection of said pub | 22:56 | |
| aveiga | ijw_: I won't disappoint | 22:56 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: yup - I think there's a panel session planned, too | 22:56 |
| sgordon | kk | 22:56 |
| sgordon | think i am headed in the opposite direction those dates | 22:56 |
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| pgpus | #info its a side note but helpfull besides whole gamut of LF KVM SDN etc | 22:57 |
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| sgordon | ok | 22:57 |
| sgordon | i am going to call that time | 22:57 |
| sgordon | thanks all for coming | 22:57 |
| beagles | cheers | 22:57 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 22:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 22:57:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-04-22.01.html | 22:57 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: (that would be the LF stuff, sorry, but still, if comcast hold the ops meetup and don't have a telco WG session I'd be surprised... | 22:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-04-22.01.txt | 22:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-04-22.01.log.html | 22:57 |
| aveiga | sgordon: thanks for running, as always | 22:57 |
| ijw_ | sgordon: thanks for making aveiga promise beer | 22:58 |
| pgpus | Appreciate the efforts to help in MNO-MVNO use case Bye now | 22:58 |
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