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| EmilienM | good morning folks! | 13:59 |
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| crinkle | morning | 13:59 |
| dvorak | morning | 13:59 |
| sbadia | hello | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: go? | 14:00 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 14:00 |
| crinkle | any agenda items before we start? | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: keystone v3 ? | 14:00 |
| dvorak | I saw there was a trello item for future parser, not sure if that's already on the agenda | 14:00 |
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| crinkle | #startmeeting | 14:02 |
| openstack | crinkle: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 14:02:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| crinkle | er yes | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic Review last week's Action items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last week's Action items (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:02 | |
| EmilienM | spredzy sent an email on the ML to communicate about the trello -> done | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | crinkle to post puppet-openstack slides to the ML -> DONE (slides are shared) | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | Core-team to review and reduce backlog - http://goo.gl/L6eDRe | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | sbadia gardening in the launchpad bugs | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | People should review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150108/ - still WIP | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: all items have been addressed except the LP - any update? | 14:02 |
| sbadia | for LP bugs, it's a wip, with matt) | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | ok | 14:03 |
| sbadia | matt was added to the bug team | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | great thing | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: you can roll the next topic ! | 14:03 |
| sbadia | and for openstack LP team, I suggested to dan to give the owner bit to colleen | 14:03 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: I think the chair has to #topic | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | #topic keystone v3 | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | #link Blueprint WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150108/ | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: any details? | 14:04 |
| crinkle | it's still WIP from richm afaik | 14:04 |
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| crinkle | I left some questions on the blueprint patch | 14:05 |
| crinkle | so far I think it's looking good | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | great | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | I think we can move forward | 14:06 |
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| crinkle | okay | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic summit | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | dprince and I submitted a presentation about TripleO and Puppet | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | that means we have 2 talks (registered) related to Puppet | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | #link TripleO/Puppet #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-puppet-vancouver-summit-proposal | 14:07 |
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| crinkle | I've submitted a talk on the puppet providers | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | oh great | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: any link? | 14:08 |
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| crinkle | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xQnfp2HAE7VKW3DzGhypDJOZiOWMVkkVxbiqLus5K-g/edit?usp=sharing | 14:09 |
| crinkle | sorry it's in google | 14:09 |
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| EmilienM | looks cool | 14:09 |
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| sbadia | yup +1! | 14:10 |
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| crinkle | next? | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: I think it's early to start talking about design sessions | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | so #summit is closed except if someone else wanted to say something | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: I don't have any other topic, we can start open discussion maybe | 14:12 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: there are more topics in the wiki agenda | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | oops | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | indeed | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Future parser support | 14:13 |
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| crinkle | So puppet 4 is around the corner and I'd like the modules to be ready | 14:13 |
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| crinkle | so I added a card to the trello board for future parser support | 14:13 |
| mdorman_ | FYI I use the future parser extensively and for the most part things are fine I think | 14:14 |
| crinkle | it would be good for someone to go through the modules with the future parser turned on and correct errors | 14:14 |
| crinkle | oh good | 14:14 |
| dvorak | this came up over the weekend, this might be worth doing as in intermediate step - http://www.camptocamp.com/actualite/getting-code-ready-puppet-4/ | 14:14 |
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| dvorak | has lints to some puppet-lint extensions that check puppet4 compat items | 14:14 |
| dvorak | err, links :) | 14:14 |
| nibalizer | we could add a puppet future parser syntax validation test to jjb as well | 14:15 |
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| dvorak | I agree that's what we want to long term, just figured if there are a lot of failures, then the lint checks might be a way to break it up into smaller units of work | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: maybe as non-voting to start | 14:16 |
| nibalizer | are the dependecy modules (mysql, mongo, etc ) future compatible? | 14:16 |
| crinkle | mysql/postgresql are, unsure about mongo/rabbitmq | 14:17 |
| mdorman_ | I can say that I'm pretty sure rabbit is good | 14:17 |
| crinkle | cool | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: maybe we could ensure travis is testing it on dep modules before all | 14:19 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: oh that reminds me why this is tricky | 14:19 |
| crinkle | I think it requires rspec-puppet 2.0 | 14:19 |
| crinkle | so we need to fix our tests to run with rspec-puppet 2.0 | 14:19 |
| crinkle | and unpin it | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | hehe | 14:20 |
| sbadia | :-) (I'm working on it) | 14:20 |
| crinkle | so work items are 1) fix rspec tests for new rspec-puppet, 2) add jenkins job to test on future parser | 14:20 |
| crinkle | and if mdorman_ is right then there shouldn't be much work after that | 14:20 |
| sbadia | agreed | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: any status/progress? | 14:21 |
| crinkle | and I'll look into getting the puppetlabs modules on rspecpuppet 2.0 and testing on future parser | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: I see https://trello.com/c/eHXc1Ryd/4-investigate-the-necessary-change-to-be-rspec-puppet-2-0-0-compliant | 14:21 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: I just finished ou composition layer, but it's not related to puppet-openstack team :) | 14:22 |
| mdorman_ | I can only speak for the mods I actually use, but if that subset is any indication I think the rest of them should be minor fixes | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: sounds like a good plan | 14:22 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: I think I can finish this for this week | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: are we done with this topic? seems like we have a plan | 14:24 |
| crinkle | #action sbadia to fix rspec-puppet tests | 14:24 |
| crinkle | #action someone (nibalizer) to add jjb for future parser | 14:24 |
| crinkle | okay done | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Minor releases | 14:24 |
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| crinkle | I was wondering whether we should make minor releases | 14:25 |
| crinkle | it's been kind of a while since 5.0 | 14:25 |
| crinkle | but I know we're still working on keystone v3 support | 14:25 |
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| crinkle | so should we wait for that or make releases soonish? | 14:25 |
| dvorak | I'd say it depends on the number of backports there have been | 14:26 |
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| dvorak | Unfortunately I think it's hard to say without going through them and seeing if people might be effected, or if the backports are more cosmetic things like Gemfile fixups | 14:27 |
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| crinkle | for keystone there have been quite a bit of backports, for others there has been less development | 14:28 |
| crinkle | so probably wait a bit then | 14:28 |
| mfischer | Sorry I'm late | 14:28 |
| dvorak | it's about halfway through the cycle, that seems like a reasonable time to start thinking about it though | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I would wait until Kilo release | 14:28 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: we don't want to never release minor releases | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: ah minor, indeed | 14:29 |
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| crinkle | sorry, yes minor | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | I would go for it now | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | there is no huge blocker | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: our modules are in good shape now, so why not? | 14:30 |
| crinkle | well as dvorak pointed out there haven't been that many changes except in keystone | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | ok so no minor release then.. | 14:32 |
| crinkle | i think wait a few more weeks | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: anything else? | 14:32 |
| crinkle | #action revisit minor releases in a few weeks | 14:32 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: not for me | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion | 14:33 |
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| dvorak | I'd like to get people's thoughts on non-vendor packaging. What do people think about supporting tools like giftwrap, or virtual envs? | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | dvorak: how is it related to Puppet/OpenStack ? | 14:33 |
| dvorak | I realize it's potentially a mine field, since there are a million ways to do it, but I think there are a fair number of operators doing their own thing in this area | 14:34 |
| dvorak | EmilienM: supporting different package names and such | 14:34 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: supporting it in the puppet modules | 14:34 |
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| crinkle | I think that would be cool | 14:35 |
| crinkle | adds a lot of complexity though | 14:35 |
| dvorak | We have a need to our own packaging and don't want to just copy what Canonical has, so I'm going to be doing some work on probably making giftwrap work with the designate module. I'm curious if it's worthwhile to bother trying to keep that in contributable form | 14:35 |
| dvorak | Designate doesn't really have packaging for anything but Debian, so I think there is more utility for projects not yet fully baked | 14:35 |
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| dvorak | I don't know if this is an issue for other newer projects or not | 14:37 |
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| crinkle | I think the tempest module uses virtualenvs | 14:37 |
| sbadia | yep tempest module can use packages or git/virtualenvs | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: that you can disable - I dit the patch, because we have a package | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | did* | 14:38 |
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| EmilienM | is there any action to take, can we go ahead? | 14:39 |
| crinkle | I think dvorak is still looking for opinions | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | it's a good thing to have imo | 14:40 |
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| crinkle | +1 from me | 14:40 |
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| dvorak | That's basically all I was looking for, was whether or not it's acceptable in theory. I realize a lot of it depends on the details | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | dvorak: do you want to run/continue the discussion on the ML so people can be involved in that work - it seems like we agree to have something like this in our modules | 14:41 |
| dvorak | We're planning to go down this path for all of our services, but Designate is what we're doing in the short term as a test case | 14:41 |
| dvorak | EmilienM: That seems reasonable | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | great | 14:41 |
| spredzy | On a different note, I was wondering if modulesync could support gerrit? (else how feasible would it be) so we could handle the Gemfile and dependencies in a single place for every modules. Since stackforge/puppet-* is getting bigger and bigger. < crinkle ? | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | #action dvorak starts discussion on ML about custom packaging support in our Puppet modules | 14:42 |
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| crinkle | spredzy: I'd love to accept a pull request to support gerrit, but I'm not sure how feasible it is | 14:42 |
| dvorak | spredzy: +1 | 14:42 |
| mfischer2 | That sounds like a good idea spredzy | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: +1 | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | or a puppet-requirements repo | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | like they have with Python modules | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | so our modules could fetch this repo to build puppetfile + .fixtures.yaml | 14:43 |
| dvorak | I'd actually like it for mostly internal use :) | 14:43 |
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| spredzy | I can take a first look at it and then we can asses how feasible it is. I mean I am thanksfull for sbadia this week and the pinning of rspec-core, but this can be made much better | 14:43 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, it seems that the puppet community is going with modulesync as a best practice | 14:43 |
| sbadia | crinkle: it's only a git+ssh url | 14:43 |
| spredzy | from what I can read online, so might be a good idea to follow it imo | 14:44 |
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| crinkle | sbadia: but the process of doing a git-review is different than just git-push | 14:44 |
| crinkle | so it's a little more complicated | 14:44 |
| sbadia | indeed | 14:45 |
| dvorak | crinkle: git review is actually just a fancy wrapper around git push | 14:45 |
| dvorak | you can actually just push to a special ref to submit the review | 14:45 |
| spredzy | I'll create a card, and people can put their finding there, until we get to a nice PR for crinkle to merge | 14:45 |
| sbadia | we can use internal gerrit refs/for/<branch> | 14:45 |
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| sbadia | but yes | 14:45 |
| sbadia | spredzy: thx! | 14:46 |
| spredzy | #action spredzy take a first look at how to integrate modulesync with gerrit | 14:46 |
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| EmilienM | w00t a lot of things this week :) | 14:46 |
| crinkle | :) | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | my brain starts to crash | 14:47 |
| sbadia | \o/ | 14:47 |
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| EmilienM | seems like we are ending the meeting | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | if there is anything else, rise your hand! | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: sbadia: can I close? | 14:49 |
| crinkle | sure | 14:49 |
| sbadia | for me yes :) | 14:49 |
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| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 14:49:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-09-14.02.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-09-14.02.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-09-14.02.log.html | 14:49 |
| sbadia | thanks everyone! | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | thanks - /me returns to reviews | 14:49 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 15:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hands up if you are here for the third part meeting | 15:00 |
| luqas | o/ | 15:01 |
| wznoinsk | o/ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello welcome | 15:01 |
| anteaya | luqas: nice to see you, how have you been? | 15:01 |
| luqas | anteaya: fine, thanks and you? | 15:01 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:02 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 15:02 |
| anteaya | just home after a long round of travel | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | nice to be home | 15:02 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: how are you doing today? | 15:02 |
| luqas | sorry I haven't attended since a while, with the shift in the meetings I have skipped many... | 15:02 |
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| wznoinsk | very good, polishing the Ci, how are you there? | 15:02 |
| anteaya | luqas: I understand, no need to explain | 15:03 |
| anteaya | luqas: nice to see you today | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: great | 15:03 |
| anteaya | snow here | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | since i never know who will show up, I don't tend to have much of a plan these days | 15:04 |
| anteaya | is there something you would like to ask? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | or perhaps we can discuss how best to help infra? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | what do you think? | 15:04 |
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| wznoinsk | if comes to me I can only learn from them for now | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: I didn't get enough to understand exactly what you mean | 15:06 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: can you try to say that again? | 15:06 |
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| luqas | anteaya: can you give us an update of the infra doc rewriting that was ongoing? | 15:06 |
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| luqas | or can we go through the etherpad? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | luqas: well we had a sprint in december that worked on infra manual | 15:07 |
| wznoinsk | about helping infra, the only area I cover is a CI in containers, and always happy to help, I can't help much with infra stuff | 15:07 |
| anteaya | luqas: sure, do you have a link to the etherpad? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: ah I see what you are saying | 15:07 |
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| luqas | nope :( | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: well container questions do come up occasionally | 15:08 |
| anteaya | luqas: well let's see if we can find it | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | this is the etherpad from the infra manual sprint in December | 15:09 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-manual-sprint-December-2014 | 15:09 |
| luqas | anteaya: thank you! | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | this is the etherpad from the third party documentation sprint in january | 15:10 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | I wasnt' there for that one and don't know what is on the etherpad | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | this sis the etherpad from the puppet module split out that happened a few weeks agao | 15:11 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-module-split-sprint | 15:11 |
| anteaya | which did you want to discuss? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | all of them are linked on the virtual sprints page | 15:11 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 15:11 |
| luqas | anteaya: nice, didn't know it | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | it was created on the friday of paris summit | 15:12 |
| anteaya | to accomodate the infra manual sprint | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | since we wanted to do the work, we just didnt' want to fly to do it | 15:12 |
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| elliottk | hi all. i need some help figuring out why i am not able to disable a global default in a jjb job template | 15:14 |
| anteaya | ah there you are elliottk | 15:14 |
| elliottk | anteaya: thanks for pointing me in the right direction. :-) | 15:14 |
| anteaya | elliottk: do you have an irc client where you can join more than one channel at a time? | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | luqas: did you find something you want to discuss? | 15:15 |
| luqas | anteaya: I'm on it | 15:15 |
| anteaya | luqas: great | 15:15 |
| elliottk | anteaya: no, i don't. i use the basic web browser interface | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | elliottk: ah ha | 15:16 |
| elliottk | sounds like it would be a good idea, though | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | elliottk: might I make a recommendation that you get an irc client | 15:16 |
| elliottk | yes | 15:16 |
| elliottk | do you have a recommendation? | 15:16 |
| anteaya | elliottk: makes a world of difference for being efficient with your work | 15:16 |
| anteaya | well I started with x-chat | 15:16 |
| elliottk | ok | 15:17 |
| anteaya | and had no compliants as a first client | 15:17 |
| elliottk | great. i'll try that | 15:17 |
| anteaya | it should be available for all OSs | 15:17 |
| elliottk | ok. thanks | 15:17 |
| anteaya | sure | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | so then when someone suggests you join a channel, you can continue to also have a presense in your existing channel | 15:18 |
| anteaya | so now to your question | 15:18 |
| elliottk | excellent | 15:18 |
| elliottk | anteaya: yes, i've created a paste with some snippets: | 15:18 |
| elliottk | http://pastebin.com/Rytf8JTm | 15:18 |
| elliottk | short story, i'm trying to override a global default for throttle in a job template and, although the values for concurrent builds and builds per node are zero, throttleEnabled is still true | 15:19 |
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| elliottk | i don't want throttle to be enabled in the job, regardless of the numbers | 15:19 |
| anteaya | ah a paste | 15:20 |
| elliottk | is that ok? | 15:20 |
| * anteaya loves pastes | 15:20 | |
| elliottk | oh, good | 15:20 |
| anteaya | can you share what is motivating you to override the global default? | 15:20 |
| anteaya | starting there might give us some good context | 15:20 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: well, right now i'm just making jjb templates of existing non-jjb-ized jenkins jobs for the group i'm temporarily working with | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | okay | 15:22 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: no one on that team is available just yet to ask | 15:23 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:23 |
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| elliottk | it could just be that it got missed when this job was created | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | it got missed <- what is the it that got missed in this context? | 15:23 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: these jobs were all created "by hand" through the jenkins ui. :-| i'm guessing it could just be that part of the job configuration was overlooked when this one was created | 15:25 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:25 |
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| elliottk | i'm asking a team member now | 15:25 |
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| elliottk | i mean, asking why it isn't enabled in this job | 15:26 |
| anteaya | I see | 15:26 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: but i should be able to override that and not enable it for this specific template, correct? | 15:26 |
| elliottk | i was able to override logrotate values just fine | 15:27 |
| anteaya | well to truely assess if the config file of which you posted a portion is a result of the jjb pieces you also posted, I would need some confidence the config file is a result of the template | 15:27 |
| anteaya | you should be able to create a jjb template that creates a config file that does what you want | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | what you can and can't override, I personally don't know | 15:27 |
| elliottk | anteaya: that is exactly what i've done | 15:27 |
| anteaya | but the idea of the templates is that they write the files in the format that you need | 15:28 |
| elliottk | the config snippet i pasted is from jjb template | 15:28 |
| elliottk | right | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | elliottk: okay then, I'm confused | 15:28 |
| anteaya | how does the comment that these jobs were created by hand come in? | 15:28 |
| elliottk | anteaya: how can i clarify? | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | you are trying to create a config file to match an existing config file and failing to do so? | 15:29 |
| anteaya | is that the situation? | 15:29 |
| elliottk | anteaya: no, sorry, the job i'm writing the job template for was created using the jenkins ui. the config snippet i posed is from my job template | 15:29 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: does that make sense? | 15:29 |
| anteaya | and the hand created job has throttleEnabled False in it and you are trying to match that? | 15:30 |
| elliottk | anteaya: right | 15:30 |
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| elliottk | "throttle" actually does not even show up in the current job config.xml | 15:30 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: but what i'm getting from one of your statements above is that i may not be able to override the throttleEnabled default | 15:31 |
| anteaya | I don't know if you can or you can't | 15:31 |
| anteaya | since i have never tried | 15:31 |
| anteaya | I was simply trying to understand the sitatuation | 15:31 |
| elliottk | anteaya: ok. i'll follow up with the team as to why the don't have it enabled in this particular job | 15:32 |
| anteaya | not to offer an opinion on the capabilities of jjb | 15:32 |
| anteaya | looking at the docs: http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins-job-builder/properties.html#properties.throttle | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | the concurrent builds default to zero | 15:32 |
| anteaya | which is what your config file has | 15:33 |
| anteaya | where as your template has values | 15:33 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: exactly. so, it is essentially disabled. perhaps i'm being picky in that i don't want it to even show up in the job. | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | well from what I see in the config file | 15:34 |
| anteaya | I'm not convinced it is picking up the values you set in the template | 15:34 |
| anteaya | it looks to me like it is just using defaults | 15:34 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: i believe it is using the defaults because i'm overriding that property and no specifying any values for those | 15:35 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: in jobs i'm not overriding, it works as expected | 15:35 |
| anteaya | ah okay, yes can't evaluate that from the current paste | 15:36 |
| elliottk | anteaya: no, you're right. did you want to see a paste from one of those jobs? | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | that would help me | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | and thank you | 15:36 |
| elliottk | i appreciate your insight | 15:36 |
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| elliottk | did you want only that section or more? | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | let's stay with just that section | 15:38 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: http://pastebin.com/55vz89DU | 15:40 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: ah, i think i may have just figured it out! let me check | 15:42 |
| anteaya | elliottk: do share | 15:42 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: yes, it was my mistake. let me do another paste of my incorrect disable and the correct one. | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | great | 15:46 |
| anteaya | so i can learn too | 15:46 |
| anteaya | thank you elliottk | 15:46 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: http://pastebin.com/gEc0D86e | 15:48 |
| elliottk | this override works | 15:48 |
| anteaya | ah ha | 15:49 |
| anteaya | can I see the resultant config file? | 15:49 |
| elliottk | surely | 15:49 |
| anteaya | just for completion's sake | 15:49 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:49 |
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| elliottk | http://pastebin.com/jvMva6MS | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | well done! | 15:50 |
| elliottk | the default values are still set but the throttleEnabled is now false | 15:50 |
| anteaya | nice detective work | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | which is what you were after | 15:50 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 15:50 |
| elliottk | anteaya: exactly | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | and thanks for walking through this with examples | 15:50 |
| anteaya | hopefully that helps someone else | 15:51 |
| elliottk | anteaya: thanks for your help! it's always good to have another set of eyes on this stuff | 15:51 |
| anteaya | luqas: did you find anything you wanted to discuss? | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | elliottk: sometimes just describing the issue helps you to see it | 15:51 |
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| elliottk | definitely | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | so now I know more about throttleEnabled than I did an hour ago | 15:52 |
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| luqas | anteaya: I've been through and I would need more time to have more questions... | 15:52 |
| anteaya | luqas: was there something on your mind for today? | 15:52 |
| anteaya | we have 7 minutes left | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | elliottk: hopefully all goes will with your irc client | 15:53 |
| anteaya | elliottk: x-chat is well documented and I believe is already installed on some linux os | 15:54 |
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| elliottk | anteaya: thanks for the suggestion. i'll get it installed today | 15:54 |
| luqas | anteaya: I should need to check the status for neutron thrid-party requirements and timings | 15:54 |
| elliottk | good to know | 15:54 |
| anteaya | luqas: okay that is a good question | 15:54 |
| asselin__ | hi | 15:55 |
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| luqas | anteaya: and the new requirements with the services split | 15:55 |
| anteaya | asselin__: welcome back | 15:55 |
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| asselin__ | anteaya, thanks | 15:55 |
| anteaya | asselin__: how was your vacation | 15:55 |
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| asselin__ | anteaya, very nice :) | 15:55 |
| anteaya | luqas: my understanding of the services split is that the third party requirements remain unchanged | 15:56 |
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| luqas | anteaya: but now you should also trigger your 3rd party for the specific services that affect your plugin, right? | 15:57 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-02-02-21.00.log.html | 15:57 |
| anteaya | #link 21:21:34 <mestery> #topic Plugin Decomposition Status and Updates | 15:57 |
| anteaya | luqas: you are midokura? are you not? | 15:58 |
| luqas | anteaya: yes | 15:58 |
| anteaya | well done for completing the decomposion | 15:58 |
| anteaya | you are ahead of the pack | 15:58 |
| anteaya | well done | 15:58 |
| luqas | anteaya: thanks | 15:58 |
| anteaya | we are just about out of time here | 15:58 |
| anteaya | luqas: how would you feel if we move to -neutron to get all your questions answered? | 15:58 |
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| luqas | okanteaya | 15:59 |
| anteaya | luqas: see you there | 15:59 |
| anteaya | as for everyone else, thanks for your attendance | 15:59 |
| anteaya | another informative meeting | 15:59 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:59 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 15:59:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-09-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-09-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-09-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | rakhmerov: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 16:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| akuznetsova | hi | 16:00 |
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| dzimine | hallo :) | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait a couple of mins | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hm.. looks like there're just two of us | 16:03 |
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| akuznetsova | i am here too :( | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ook ) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. dzimine, look at the bugs and assigned most critical ones to kilo-2 | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | it's not relevant anymore and I guess it was done | 16:04 |
| dzimine | oh… didn’t do it exactly | 16:04 |
| dzimine | but no, irrelevant. | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, that's ok | 16:04 |
| dzimine | did hte best effort anyways. | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | 2. akuznetsova, file bugs for recently found usability issues | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, done | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | it means the bugs with environments, right? | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | correct | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: released kilo-2 on Friday and keep refactoring task result processing | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | there's some progress but I still need to spend I guess a few days on that | 16:06 |
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| dzimine | dzimine status: last week - flashed out how to handle YAML with rakhmerov, completed the “catch exeptions” bug fix; | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | well done, btw! | 16:07 |
| dzimine | this week - small change to expose the “stop workflow” functionality | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| dzimine | in the API | 16:08 |
| akuznetsova | my status: finished with first commit to Rally and now we almost have a special Rally gate in mistral repo, prepared cli tests for env, now I am working on instraction : how to run Rally Mistal scenarious | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | well done too :)) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, http://logs.openstack.org/47/153647/2/check/gate-rally-dsvm-mistral-task/bf39010/ | 16:08 |
| dzimine | nice. Are we getting good load there? | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | click HTML report link | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, it's rather a required piece of infrastructure | 16:09 |
| dzimine | yes I know. | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | which gives us the mechanism to easily add new load tests | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | now it'll be easy to write them | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as good load, not yet | 16:10 |
| akuznetsova | yes, I just made initial commit with needed Mistral infrastructure and basic scenarios | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | let's move to the next topic | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | #topic "Kilo-3" scope and blueprints | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | so we released kilo-2 and several BPs were moved to kilo-3 | 16:11 |
| dzimine | well kilo-3 is “a final release”, right? | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | not exactly | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | let me clarify | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | during kilo-3 we can add new functionality | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | after that no | 16:12 |
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| dzimine | clear. | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | only bugfixing, stability, docs | 16:12 |
| dzimine | and when is kilo-3 again? | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | but this is only if we 100% follow OpenStack procedures | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | March 19 | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | a month | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | just over | 16:13 |
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| dzimine | ok. we need to review the BP and bugs than and capture anything recent in them. Like YAQL clean-up. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | and even if we do follow OpenStack rules then there's a mechanism called something like "feature request" to add new functionality even after 3rd dev milestone | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:14 |
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| dzimine | and when is the final Kilo release in OpenStack? | 16:15 |
| nmakhotkin | Hi, sorry, I am late | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | today I actually just wanted to ask you to look at Kilo-3 and validate if 1) all you're interested in is included 2) suggest what could be removed | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, np | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:15 |
| dzimine | ^^ thanks | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | April 30 | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so during April we're supposed to be fixing lots and lots of bugs like crazy ) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | so as far as scope of kilo-3 we can do a planning poker again | 16:17 |
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| dzimine | oh, we’ll be fixing them now, too :) | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | yes ) | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll set up a meeting for planning poker later | 16:17 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, what with our scope ? do we have the final list of bps for kilo-3 ? | 16:18 |
| dzimine | ok than the action is to capture all in the blueprints. and when we do the pocker, we shall 1) allocatie tme for bugs and 2) review existing bugs and assign them to the scope, too. #action | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, no, we don't yet have all the BPs. I'm hereby asking to suggest (can do that offline) what you would like to see in Kilo-3 | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | and after that we will estimate if it's feasible to do during kilo-3 | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, dzimine: capture everything in blueprints | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, dzimine: review existing bugs and assign them to the scope | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ok, that's basically all I wanted for this meeting | 16:20 |
| dzimine | quick discussion on YAQL? just to put the thoughs: | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay is fixing expressions now, looks like now we have a full picture | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | go ahead | 16:21 |
| dzimine | 1) rakhmerov pls share the details of what we came up with, the just of it is to always use “{yaql}”. | 16:22 |
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| dzimine | 2) the question is: if we do it, it breaks v1, too. | 16:22 |
| dzimine | how do we deal with it? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | well | 16:23 |
| dzimine | from what I know it only can impact solum. | 16:23 |
| dzimine | anyone else? | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | 1) yes. The details are captured in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-DZ-RA (maybe not well structured) but I think we're all on the same page here | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | 2) do we still need to care about v1? | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I was going to get rid of it completely | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | solum yes, but we effectively don't support v1 anyway | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | we already broke v1 ) | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | so they can keep using one of the previous versions | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | but yes, expressions will break v1 if we don't split them into versions (I would hate to do that though) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, how did we break it? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | you mean that failing test that we found today? | 16:25 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes, it fails on every commit now | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I'm still hoping it was done by mistake | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | if not then yes, we already did | 16:26 |
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| dzimine | and solum likely pinned the version of mistral.. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | and if we still want to support v1 we will have to restore old expressions and let it leave in a v1 related module | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, I think so | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | we can ask them anyway | 16:27 |
| dzimine | no they didn’t https://github.com/stackforge/solum/blob/master/requirements.txt#L23 | 16:27 |
| dzimine | we can commit a fix for them once we move over. | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, but this is a client | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | not sure about server | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: talk to solum folks (Roshan) and find out what version of Mistral they depend on | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, we were going to help them this winter to transition to v2 | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | but it didn't happen yet | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | and maybe to the better | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | given all those changes we're making now | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | so, again, let's think if we still need to leave v1 code base | 16:30 |
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| dzimine | afaik they use devstack. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | the only reason I see for that is just to have a clear example of how system can evolve from one version to another | 16:31 |
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| dzimine | strongly recommend to keep them on v1 till we flash out v2 details. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yes, maybe | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | #action all: think if we need to keep v1 code base | 16:32 |
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| dzimine | as for the approach - Nikolay, Nastya, did you have a chance to see it? you’re ok with it? | 16:32 |
| akuznetsova | dzimine, to see what ? | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm not sure I followed the question.. | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | yep | 16:33 |
| dzimine | oh I thought Renat had shared it - the proposal to change yaql. | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | aah | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yes I did | 16:33 |
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| akuznetsova | oh, yes, it was shared | 16:33 |
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| dzimine | that’s the best we managed to come up with, input very welcome. | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | right | 16:34 |
| dzimine | if we go ahead tdo it, time is now. | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | to me it looks good now | 16:34 |
| dzimine | else we are too close to kilo-3, and if we pass kilo-3 with these changes, it gets harder to chagne. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:34 |
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| dzimine | The change is relatively big. we need a blueprint on it. | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | well, my general comment here: I insist we stabilize v2 api/dsl during kilo-3 | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | after that it will be really bad of us | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | if we do | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | which means we should try pretty hard during till March 19 | 16:36 |
| dzimine | yes and once we stabilize it we can dump v1 | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | I agree | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:36 |
| dzimine | this YAQL thing is the biggest one so far. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:37 |
| dzimine | others we have already agreed on. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | the second is task result thing | 16:37 |
| dzimine | yes. | 16:37 |
| dzimine | task result thing. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:38 |
| dzimine | which you Renat is already working towrads. | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | do we need to discuss anything else now? | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | I am out of ideas :) | 16:38 |
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| dzimine | Quck update for Winson m4dcoder - he is implementing a bunch of production workflows now and filing/fixing bugs as he goes. | 16:38 |
| dzimine | Including usability ones. | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | very good | 16:38 |
| dzimine | Well I want to decide who is doing YAQL and when | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | we'll strive to fix them asap | 16:39 |
| akuznetsova | will we implement crud operations in UI ? | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay has already started with it | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | and just to share with you that we deployed Mistral on multiple nodes with scaled out SQL and scaled out Rabbit underneath, and will be running shitload of workflows on it. | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | Now guess what I expect it to fail dramatically : ) | 16:39 |
| dzimine | hahaha | 16:39 |
| dzimine | but than we fix it. | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, I would like to but I think we first need to look at all more important things to do and estimate our efforts | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:40 |
| dzimine | > Nikolay has already started with it | 16:40 |
| dzimine | with GRUD in UI? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | GRUD :))))) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | CRUD | 16:40 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes, sure, YAQL and dsl stabilization are more important ) | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, we wanted to adjust UI a little bit so we could do all the CRUD operations | 16:41 |
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| dzimine | lastly, what’s the story on deploying Javascript engine? Nikolay? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | which we currently don't have | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay, can you please give us a link to the doc where you described that? | 16:41 |
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| akuznetsova | nmakhotkin, ^ | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, you're still with us? :) | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | I guess he's experiencing some connectivity problems | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | it happens to him sometimes | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | so dzimine we can ask him to share the details later | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | is that ok? | 16:45 |
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| dzimine | ? | 16:45 |
| dzimine | ok. | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | if he tells us later | 16:46 |
| dzimine | done for today? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | looks like he's gone | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | let's finish | 16:46 |
| dzimine | we’re all done for today right? | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | thanks and bye! | 16:46 |
| akuznetsova | bye! | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 16:46:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-02-09-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-02-09-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-02-09-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 17:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| sarob_ | roll call | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:00 |
| vigneshvar | hi | 17:00 |
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| rluethi | surprise, it's me. | 17:00 |
| sayali1 | hello | 17:01 |
| vigneshvar | :) | 17:01 |
| sarob_ | rluethi: welcome | 17:01 |
| sarob_ | evening/morning all | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | thanks :). hi everyone | 17:01 |
| sayali1 | nice to have you back rluethi :D | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | sayali1: nice to be back. we'll see how long I'll last :) | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey all | 17:02 |
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| sarob | evening matjazp | 17:02 |
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| sarob | project meeting agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | hey, that agenda looks familiar | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: we didn't finish everything last week | 17:04 |
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| sarob | me either :( | 17:04 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I see | 17:04 |
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| sarob | #topic review action items from last week | 17:05 |
| sarob | ill go first and quick | 17:06 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/ | 17:06 |
| sarob | this is going to be a parallel discussion for awhile | 17:06 |
| sarob | we are going forward with landslide for the time being | 17:06 |
| sarob | next thingy | 17:07 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141226/ | 17:07 |
| sarob | I cleaned up this patch | 17:07 |
| sarob | only assoicate dir with landslide stuff | 17:07 |
| sarob | next | 17:07 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142259 | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | cool, looks better now. | 17:08 |
| sarob | i cut down this patch by half | 17:08 |
| sarob | im working on ch5 right now | 17:08 |
| sarob | based on new material from our sfo trainer, salman | 17:09 |
| sarob | i will come back to ch1 prob next week | 17:09 |
| sarob | for another pass based on newish stuff | 17:09 |
| sarob | for now id like to merge ch1 as is | 17:10 |
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| sarob | matjazp you have the last action item | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | yes.. | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148315/ | 17:10 |
| matjazp | submitted a new patch | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | sorry for the delay | 17:11 |
| sarob | on new quiz structure patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148315/ | 17:11 |
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| vigneshvar | hello | 17:11 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: evening | 17:11 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: morning | 17:11 |
| matjazp | take a look and tell me what you think.. this would be "template" for all quizzes... | 17:11 |
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| rluethi | sarob, I think ch1 is still way too wordy. the things we merge should serve as good examples. | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | We could also use "notes" folder for all that stuff we won't put on slides but we already have written for "old" guides | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150608/ | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | this one is ready for merging | 17:13 |
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| sarob | matjazp: needs to be dependent on landslide patch | 17:14 |
| sarob | matjazp: so i can check the output | 17:14 |
| matjazp | sarob: oh, right, I just used local TExtMate preview | 17:15 |
| sarob | rluethi: give me some inline pointers on what you would like to see | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite, looks ready to me, all you need is to lift your WF -1. | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | sarob, what I mean is that slides are usually not whole paragraphs of text. | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | I think I did that | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | refresh the browser :) | 17:16 |
| sarob | rluethi: ah, i see | 17:16 |
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| dguitarbite | merge away! | 17:16 |
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| sarob | rluethi: i will take another cut down pass | 17:16 |
| rluethi | sarob, your audience will either read the slide or listen to you, not both. | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | I like deleting things (BOFH!!!) | 17:16 |
| matjazp | sarob: just put this text in notes | 17:16 |
| matjazp | sarob: we can distill slides in a later patch | 17:17 |
| sarob | rluethi: you are right | 17:17 |
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| sarob | rluethi: i will take another pass at cutting it down | 17:17 |
| rluethi | sarob, IIRC upstream university slides are pretty good in this regard. | 17:18 |
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| sarob | rluethi: you should like the slides i am converting from salman | 17:18 |
| sarob | rluethi: alot shorter | 17:18 |
| rluethi | sarob, excellent | 17:18 |
| sarob | lets move on | 17:19 |
| sarob | #topic review outstanding patches | 17:19 |
| rluethi | I submitted the first of two series for converting the labs scripts to Juno. | 17:20 |
| sayali1 | rluethi: I have reviewed most of them just against the install guides. I will test them soonish. | 17:20 |
| sarob | rluethi: should i be reviewing each of the script changes one by one? | 17:20 |
| rluethi | sayali1, Thanks. | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I will test the patches and merge asap | 17:21 |
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| sarob | rluethi: seems a few of them should be used together | 17:21 |
| rluethi | sarob, your choice. I split them so reviewers don't have to review one giant changeset. | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | sarob, since there are no functional changes, each patch can stand on its own. | 17:21 |
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| sarob | okey dokey | 17:22 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: you have a third patch to enable landslide automajik | 17:23 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: It will take some time, need to fix the pending infra jobs first | 17:23 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: which pending infra jobs would that be? | 17:24 |
| sarob | like deleting the existing html? | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: at present publishing to docs.openstack.org is disabled | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | it will be up online very soon | 17:25 |
| sarob | okay | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | only if someone can merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150608/ | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | :D | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: done | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | so the present jobs in infra is to disable the translations | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: thanks | 17:26 |
| sarob | yup | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | infra disable translations for all other branches than icehouse | 17:26 |
| matjazp | git repo will be so empty without xml ;) | 17:27 |
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| dguitarbite | once that is done, we will reuse the curret jobs to publish the rst content and its just updating our repository which is fairly simple | 17:27 |
| sarob | matjazp: ill start filling it up | 17:27 |
| matjazp | sarob: we all neet to fill it up asap | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: not the .git folder! | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | but in a way yes | 17:27 |
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| sarob | matjazp: we should lean toward quantity rather than quality at this stage | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | sarob: hear, hear! | 17:28 |
| sarob | ill update the associate guide patches over the next hours | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | oh god! | 17:29 |
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| rluethi | sarob, kidding. I think quality is more important. | 17:29 |
| * sarob yes my son | 17:29 | |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I guess we were working in eliminating the quantity to get to quality | 17:29 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: thats my aim | 17:29 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: salman is helping alot | 17:29 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: by running the local classroom | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: ok, :) | 17:30 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: getting feedback | 17:30 |
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| sarob | last thing on outstanding patches | 17:30 |
| sarob | the few patches from jan | 17:31 |
| sarob | whats the plan for them | 17:31 |
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| sarob | can they be rebased to the icehouse branch? | 17:32 |
| rluethi | for the test script, the plan is to clean it up and merge it. | 17:32 |
| sarob | or should? | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | I already have rebased the required pacthes | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | I need to take a look soonish | 17:32 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: okay | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | not sure, which patches you arerefering to | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | can you link them? | 17:32 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148039/ | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | i can not see any patches from jan in the review system | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: go to the 2nd page | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | yes, saw them : | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | there is a -1 | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | I cannot do anything in thiscaseand also this patch is not valid for backport | 17:33 |
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| sarob | so after this rst, slide patch pass | 17:34 |
| sarob | lets abandon dead patches | 17:34 |
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| sarob | moving on to bugs | 17:35 |
| sarob | #topic bug queue | 17:35 |
| matjazp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148039/ is ok, but screeenshot needs to be retaken when swift data is in the wiki | 17:35 |
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| sarob | matjazp: okay | 17:35 |
| matjazp | maybe Kato can update Wiki and retake screenshot | 17:35 |
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| sarob | outstanding bugs #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides | 17:36 |
| sarob | 59 of them | 17:36 |
| sarob | mostly on the xml content | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | sarob: not only that, we need to deliberately create few "low-hanging-fruit" patches for newcomers | 17:36 |
| matjazp | to expand community | 17:37 |
| sarob | once the rst gets merged, i will clean the bug list up | 17:37 |
| sayali1 | we can assign some of these as low-hanging-fruit too | 17:37 |
| sarob | many will be changed to invalid | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | sarob: they are valid for icehouse | 17:38 |
| rluethi | matjazp: do you have anything in mind for low-hanging fruit? | 17:38 |
| sarob | matjazp: oh, good point | 17:38 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: not exactly invalid but low priority and to icehouse | 17:38 |
| sarob | hmm, ill figure out how to assign them to icehouse branch | 17:39 |
| matjazp | rluethi: It could be anything that's easy enough for a newcomer to start contributing and that way feel more involved in a community | 17:39 |
| sarob | matjazp: are there repeatable easy bugs that we can create for classroom work? | 17:40 |
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| sarob | matjazp: or should they be real bugs? | 17:40 |
| matjazp | sarob: hmmm doubt it | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: not sure, but we might get some dummyfolder for the same | 17:40 |
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| sarob | #action sarob assign xml content bugs to icehouse branch | 17:41 |
| sarob | #undo | 17:41 |
| matjazp | I use openstack-dev/sandbox for showing students how to use gerrit | 17:41 |
| sarob | #action sarob assign xml content bugs to icehouse branch and lowpriority | 17:41 |
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| sarob | something to think about i guess | 17:42 |
| sarob | next week lets noodle it some | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | noodle? | 17:43 |
| sarob | #action team to think about bugs for new contributors, how to keep them | 17:43 |
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| sarob | stupid american saying to use your head = noodle | 17:44 |
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| sarob | have no idea where it comes from | 17:44 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: noodle - a very thin, long strip of pasta or a similar flour paste, eaten with a sauce or in a soup ;) | 17:44 |
| sarob | ;) | 17:44 |
| vigneshvar | matjazp: +1 | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: ahh yes I am in Eu, I eat it regularly ;) | 17:44 |
| sarob | to noodle = to think hard | 17:44 |
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| sarob | kinda wierd, but part of the american lexicon | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: kool | 17:45 |
| sarob | lets move on before i say more silly things | 17:45 |
| sarob | #topic discuss videos | 17:45 |
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| sarob | whatca got for us sayali? | 17:46 |
| sayali1 | what do you guys thik about point 5? | 17:46 |
| sayali1 | think* | 17:46 |
| sarob | this would be so the install guides can referrence the video too | 17:47 |
| sayali1 | also rluethi wanted to ask if we should go ahead with the osbash videos or wait a little more till we are done with the distro specific patches? | 17:47 |
| sarob | or specifically? | 17:47 |
| sayali1 | sarob: works both ways | 17:48 |
| sarob | sayali1: then i like much | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | sayali1: I think we could have both juno and icehouse for videos! | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | need to plan it out properly | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sayali1: I think you should just go ahead. Labs-scripts are only moving slowly, unfortunaley. | 17:48 |
| sarob | sayali1: id wait until the distro patches are in | 17:48 |
| sarob | sayali1: would be a bummer to do over again | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I believe doing it once should be good | 17:49 |
| sayali1 | yeah thats the problem with videos | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | just to show the differences | 17:49 |
| sayali1 | thats why i won't mind waiting a bit | 17:49 |
| matjazp | what will be the difference once the distro patches are finished? | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | like the openstack videos | 17:49 |
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| vigneshvar | thats my question too | 17:49 |
| matjazp | basic usage of osbash will be the same, no? | 17:49 |
| sayali1 | matjazp: the way we run osbash will be different | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: yes | 17:50 |
| sayali1 | nope | 17:50 |
| rluethi | matjazp: it's not only the distro patches, there are a few others. the CLI will change a bit. | 17:50 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: for Icehouse it will not | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | we are safer to not worry about that right now | 17:50 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: correct. | 17:50 |
| sarob | we only want to make videos for juno right? | 17:51 |
| sayali1 | so we have a ice house version of the videos too? | 17:51 |
| sarob | maybe even kilo? | 17:51 |
| vigneshvar | rluethi: where to find what needs to be done on labs. i can contribute there | 17:51 |
| rluethi | sarob: we only have icehouse scripts right now, so that's what we have to make videos. | 17:51 |
| sarob | probably look the same for both | 17:51 |
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| dguitarbite | vigneshvar: lets have a chat after the meeting | 17:51 |
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| vigneshvar | dguitarbite: ok | 17:52 |
| rluethi | vigneshvar: what dguitarbite said :). | 17:52 |
| sayali1 | ok then I think we can go ahead with the windows and linux videos for osbash for icehouse | 17:52 |
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| sarob | rluethi: i understand, im just thinking sayali1 shouldnt need to redo anything for awhile | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | about windows, osbash is not working | 17:52 |
| rluethi | sayali1: good idea. | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | we might want to wait a bit for windows | 17:52 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite, ? | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: it gets stuck | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | windows 7 and 8 | 17:53 |
| rluethi | It worked when I tested it, which was not that long ago. | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | I tried them all | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | with latest or older versions | 17:53 |
| rluethi | meh. | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | I have the list in my home | 17:53 |
| * dguitarbite is old school using paper and pen : | 17:53 | |
| sayali1 | vigneshvar: you could go ahead with the linux one atleast | 17:53 |
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| vigneshvar | sayali1: done | 17:54 |
| * sarob thinks paper is silly | 17:54 | |
| sayali1 | vigneshvar: if you need any help let me know. | 17:54 |
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| vigneshvar | sayali1: sure thanks | 17:54 |
| sayali1 | should we do the one on OS X for icehouse? | 17:54 |
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| rluethi | sayali1: I'd wait for the next batch. OS X is only for the looks, it's functionally the same as Linux. | 17:55 |
| vigneshvar | sayali1: also i tried removing noise from devstack video, but it was nt so clean | 17:55 |
| sayali1 | rluethi: exactly my thoughts. :) | 17:55 |
| sayali1 | vigneshvar: ok no issues | 17:55 |
| sarob | lets use the last 5 minutes for summit stuff | 17:56 |
| sayali1 | yep | 17:56 |
| vigneshvar | yes | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | sure | 17:56 |
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| sayali1 | we were supposed to dicuss about the talk at the summit over the ML? | 17:57 |
| sarob | #topic summit talk | 17:57 |
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| dguitarbite | may be we want to move to docs channel | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | not enought time | 17:57 |
| sarob | sayali1: yeah, | 17:57 |
| sarob | i have asked for a 20 person room for design session | 17:58 |
| sarob | plus i created a summit talk #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/call-for-speakers/TalkDetails/3182 | 17:58 |
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| sarob | id like to add y'all as speakers | 17:58 |
| sayali1 | I doubt I will make it to the summit this time. | 17:58 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I will not be able to travel ehtier | 17:58 |
| sarob | :( | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | *either my body is falling apart | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | need to rest for a few months | 17:59 |
| rluethi | not looking so good on my part, either. | 17:59 |
| vigneshvar | i need to try the travel program | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: but we can give you online presence | 17:59 |
| sarob | :) | 17:59 |
| sarob | still run the design session with you guys remotely | 17:59 |
| sarob | we | 17:59 |
| sarob | are | 17:59 |
| sarob | out | 17:59 |
| sarob | of | 17:59 |
| sarob | time | 18:00 |
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| dguitarbite | yes | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | we | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | are | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | ! | 18:00 |
| sarob | cheers my friends | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | docs | 18:00 |
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| dguitarbite | bye :) | 18:00 |
| sarob | see you on gerrit | 18:00 |
| rluethi | bye | 18:00 |
| sayali1 | bye | 18:00 |
| vigneshvar | bye | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 18:01:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-02-09-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-02-09-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| daneyon_ | here | 20:00 |
| britthouser | here | 20:00 |
| sdake | steak here [\o/ | 20:00 |
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| rhallisey | hello | 20:00 |
| sdake | hey ryan | 20:00 |
| sdake | hey daneyon | 20:01 |
| sdake | hey britt | 20:01 |
| daneyon_ | hi | 20:01 |
| sdake | jpeeler make it ? | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | thanks for the ping, yeah | 20:01 |
| sdake | cool | 20:01 |
| sdake | glad you hang out in this channel :) | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic agenda | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:01 | |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:02 |
| sdake | anyone have anything to add last minute? | 20:02 |
| daneyon_ | nada | 20:02 |
| rhallisey | nothing | 20:02 |
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| sdake | #topic review of super-privileged container approach | 20:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "review of super-privileged container approach (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:02 | |
| sdake | I don't know if everyone has had a chance to read the super privileged container spec | 20:03 |
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| sdake | but it proposes a new direction for kolla | 20:03 |
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| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153798/ | 20:03 |
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| daneyon_ | i just performed another review and submitted it just b4 the meeting. I wanted to get your feedback on details for dealing with mysql data | 20:03 |
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| sdake | in summary the proposal is to remove kubernetes as a dependency and focus on using docker only with the full docker API availlable | 20:04 |
| sdake | rhallisey have you had a chance to review the spec? | 20:04 |
| daneyon_ | to perform complete seperation among the services, should we have a mysql container for each service? | 20:04 |
| sdake | I saw daneyons and jpeelers reviews | 20:04 |
| daneyon_ | I agree to that approach. | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya I left a few comments | 20:04 |
| sdake | daneyon sounds cool, but complicated :) | 20:04 |
| sdake | we dont have to specify how we do that part tho | 20:04 |
| sdake | I just want general agreement on a change in focus | 20:05 |
| sdake | because we will have to implement it | 20:05 |
| sdake | without this change in focus, I'm not sure what else can be done with tthe current kolla implementation | 20:05 |
| sdake | I have alot of outstanding comments I see in the review, I'll submit an update today | 20:05 |
| sdake | what I'd like is for the four of us here from the core team unanimously agree to the specification | 20:06 |
| sdake | if you disagree, propose an alternative that is viable :) | 20:06 |
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| daneyon_ | I agree to the change in focus. | 20:06 |
| sdake | that means 4 +2 votes | 20:06 |
| sdake | on the specification | 20:06 |
| sdake | (mine is implicit in the review request:) | 20:06 |
| sdake | jpeeler/rhallisey able to review this over the next week and beat the spec into submission then? | 20:07 |
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| rhallisey | I read it and I think it's a good idea | 20:07 |
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| jpeeler | sdake: yeah i can do that. but from what i've seen, minor details are all that's left | 20:07 |
| rhallisey | +2 on the idea for me | 20:08 |
| sdake | cool, so hopefully we can get the spec approved this week - sounds like everyone is on board | 20:08 |
| sdake | #topic milestone #3 planning | 20:08 |
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| daneyon_ | I just +2'd | 20:08 |
| sdake | well it needs love yet daneyon :) | 20:08 |
| sdake | but thanks for the vote of confidence :) | 20:08 |
| daneyon_ | for sure | 20:08 |
| daneyon_ | so i would think milestone 3 is going to see big changes :-) | 20:09 |
| sdake | Ok, so since we are using this new approach, I think we need to start to define the blueprints that make up milestone #3 - which is defined as launching stuff via SPC | 20:09 |
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| daneyon_ | Would creating an easy ot use dev environment be at the top of the list? I don;t think kube-heat will be of use to us | 20:10 |
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| sdake | daneyon_ I think we can easily create something based on old heat-kubernetes that just launches 3 VMs to run the various nodes | 20:11 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-blueprint-brainstorm | 20:11 |
| jpeeler | how is the networking going to work? | 20:11 |
| sdake | I'd like to brainstorm here in this etherpad, and I'll convert em into blueprints | 20:11 |
| sdake | --net=host, in other words using the host network stack | 20:11 |
| jpeeler | does that give each container a "real" ip? | 20:12 |
| daneyon_ | jpeeler: I think we start of with nova-network like we did before | 20:12 |
| sdake | ya lets start with nova-network | 20:12 |
| sdake | jpeeler it gives all containers the same ip on the system | 20:12 |
| daneyon_ | jpeeler: then we move to neutron, using either ovs or linucbridge + ML2 plugin | 20:12 |
| britthouser | so the development env would be a dressed down all-in-one system? | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | i guess i'm thinking more about container communication | 20:13 |
| sdake | britthouser more or less | 20:13 |
| sdake | jpeeler the containers essentially use the host's network, so if they communicate its almost as if they were a process running in the host os | 20:14 |
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| jpeeler | ok just trying to wrap my head around it, thanks | 20:14 |
| sdake | need more input on the blueprints - can folks start adding stuff to the etherpad ;-) | 20:14 |
| sdake | What about the containers we need that we don't yet have | 20:15 |
| sdake | rhallisey can you add those to the etherpad | 20:15 |
| daneyon_ | testing? | 20:15 |
| rhallisey | sdake, sure, I'm sure what we don't have yet.. | 20:15 |
| * rhallisey looks | 20:15 | |
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| sdake | rhallisey read the spec - it has the desired container set - compare vs what we have | 20:16 |
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| rhallisey | gotcha | 20:16 |
| sdake | jpeeler super-privileged containers are a raelly thin chroot essentially :) | 20:16 |
| sdake | so we have "develop new containers" | 20:16 |
| sdake | add that in and put some subheadings :) | 20:17 |
| daneyon_ | what are the OS details that we want to run this stuff on... Fedora atomic? | 20:17 |
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| sdake | atomic doesn't have git or any useful tools for development | 20:17 |
| britthouser | Would the deployment scheme be one container per VM? or all containers on 3-VMs? or doesn't really matter? | 20:17 |
| sdake | I think we want to stick with f21 | 20:17 |
| sdake | britthouser so we need a tool to deploy an individual container set | 20:17 |
| sdake | can you add that to the etherpad? | 20:18 |
| jpeeler | sorry, one more question: is it too tripleO unfriendly to use something like fig to bootstrap the environment? | 20:18 |
| sdake | then when your on a vm, you can run the tool | 20:18 |
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| sdake | jpeeler I'd like to not complicate things early with new tools or systems if possible | 20:18 |
| sdake | but long term we can add things like fig or puppet | 20:18 |
| jpeeler | it's part of docker now as far as i know | 20:18 |
| sdake | I just don't know the right answer yet | 20:18 |
| sdake | can you give a brief overview of fig? | 20:18 |
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| jpeeler | ha, not a competent one. i thought it was like "vagrant up" for containers. | 20:19 |
| bdastur | is f21 for the container base image? | 20:19 |
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| daneyon_ | I would like to discuss the use of HA tools such as Pacemaker, Corosync, before we add those to the container list | 20:20 |
| sdake | bdastur good question, atm we use f21, but I'd like to go to Centos | 20:20 |
| jpeeler | sdake: https://www.orchardup.com/blog/fig if it's not in docker (i haven't checked), then not worth thinking about | 20:21 |
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| sdake | daneyon_ if you want to have a discussion about HA, we should do in the spec imo | 20:21 |
| sdake | because those are specified in the spec directly | 20:21 |
| sdake | swift I think doens't work :) | 20:22 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: Do you think that's an implementation detail? Some people may want to use corosync, others galera | 20:22 |
| sdake | galera is only for mysql iiuc | 20:23 |
| notmyname | ? | 20:23 |
| sdake | we need galera too to do ha for mysql | 20:23 |
| notmyname | what doesn't work in swift? | 20:23 |
| sdake | kolla containers for swift are busted notmyname | 20:23 |
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| sdake | nothing of your fault - our fault :) | 20:24 |
| bdastur | shouldnt galera be part of the same container as mysql | 20:24 |
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| bdastur | I actually managed to get two containers on two VMs running rabbitmq in a HA cluster | 20:24 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: I guess in general, it have been involved in HA implementations that do not use the HA tools mentioned in the spec. I think HA may be outside the scope of the initial spec? | 20:24 |
| sdake | each logical service goes in a separate container, and shares the host as necessary via bind mounting /run or /var | 20:24 |
| sdake | ok we can drop HA, although I'd like to tackle HA of mysql and rabbit if possible | 20:25 |
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| sdake | so lets have a more general discussion about ha quickly | 20:26 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: I want to tackle it too. I think it must get done for anyone to use kolla in prod. we can work on an implementation. | 20:26 |
| sdake | do folks want to tackle ha in milestone 3 or later? | 20:26 |
| daneyon_ | OK, HA? | 20:27 |
| sdake | we know we want ha for mysql via galera and rabbitmq | 20:27 |
| sdake | maybe we should just start with those | 20:28 |
| bdastur | better to validate HA earlier to make sure there are no obstacles we did not anticipate | 20:28 |
| sdake | although I like the check script idea | 20:28 |
| sdake | ok, well lets do this | 20:28 |
| britthouser | galera and rabbit seem to be the most popular (or at least most talked about) ways of doing HA, so that is a good starting point. | 20:29 |
| sdake | lets assume we are going to implement everything in the spec | 20:29 |
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| sdake | and write out the blueprints assuming we are doing that | 20:29 |
| sdake | and if any part of the spec changes, we can just "Not" the blueprint and forget about it ;-) | 20:29 |
| sdake | (between now and approval of the spec that is) | 20:29 |
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| daneyon_ | an initial HA implementation could be 1. HAProxy for API endpoints, MySQL VIP. 2. Galera for clustering the MySQL DB 3. Standard Rabbit Clustering.... implementation specific would need to get worked out. | 20:29 |
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| sdake | ok, what runs the container check script and restarts it if busted? | 20:30 |
| sdake | I guess we need a tool for that! | 20:30 |
| sdake | then we can possibly remove corosync and pacemaker | 20:31 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: if we're going to cluster the DB and MQ, we need something for the API endpoints, DB VIP > HAProxy for some other OS SLB | 20:31 |
| sdake | wow too many acronyms my brain just imploded ;-) | 20:31 |
| sdake | SLB = ? | 20:31 |
| britthouser | server load balancer | 20:31 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: How does the script know if the container is busted? | 20:31 |
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| sdake | it runs a check script in the container via docker exec | 20:32 |
| daneyon_ | SLB- Server Load Balancer, HAProxy, F5, etc.. | 20:32 |
| sdake | if the check script returns 0 - gtg, returns -1, restart | 20:32 |
| sdake | the check script can do some form of healthcheck on the softwre in the container | 20:32 |
| britthouser | Probably need some intelligence in that script. If it dies 3x, then don't restart or something like that. | 20:33 |
| sdake | is HA proxy any good? Or is there a better tool | 20:33 |
| sdake | britthouser that is called escalation | 20:33 |
| sdake | at that point, you would want to reset the machine | 20:33 |
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| sdake | but lets not think about escalation now | 20:33 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: is the check script looking to see if, for example, that a test tenant can talk to the Ketystone API and create a user, endpoint, etc? | 20:33 |
| britthouser | Ok. | 20:33 |
| sdake | lets assume its dumb and smiple :) | 20:33 |
| sdake | right, that would be a keystone-api check script | 20:34 |
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| sdake | We need something to check the health of the machine, but I think that is above the line we care about | 20:35 |
| sdake | that is what pacemaker + corosync tackle | 20:35 |
| sdake | we only care about health of containers | 20:35 |
| sdake | in a real system, someone will have to sort out health of the bare metal as well | 20:35 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: instead of managing our own scripts for health checking, their is a tool (trying to remember the name) that can run as a process within each container to perform deep health checking. | 20:35 |
| britthouser | Ok...so corosync+pacemaker aren't implementing the HA between openstack services, just the containers themselves. I misunderstood that earlier. | 20:36 |
| sdake | it health checks openstack specifics? | 20:36 |
| daneyon_ | Let me dig up the name and I'll send it along. | 20:36 |
| sdake | put a link in the etherpad | 20:36 |
| daneyon_ | yes. | 20:36 |
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| sdake | britthouser I removed pacemaker+corosync, I think they are not necessary for container management | 20:36 |
| daneyon_ | i'll dig it up.... in the meantime, lets not set it in stone that we are going to create our own shell scripts from scratch to perform health checking. | 20:37 |
| sdake | corosync + pacemaker manage a group of machines, we are only talking a single machine | 20:37 |
| daneyon_ | will do | 20:37 |
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| * britthouser rereads... | 20:37 | |
| daneyon_ | we can run health checks son each of the cluster tools, HAProxy, Galera, etc.. | 20:38 |
| britthouser | I'm with you now sdake | 20:38 |
| daneyon_ | I don;t see a need for corosync or pacemaker at this point. I'm open to hear from others on the need though | 20:38 |
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| sdake | if we need something to monitor health of machines and restart them, that is where pacemaker and corosync come in | 20:39 |
| daneyon_ | health check monitoring though monit #link http://mmonit.com/monit/ | 20:39 |
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| sdake | license? | 20:41 |
| daneyon_ | open source | 20:41 |
| sdake | which one :) | 20:41 |
| jpeeler | AGPL | 20:41 |
| sdake | gaahh | 20:41 |
| sdake | who would use that license! | 20:42 |
| sdake | that one makes lawyers cringe for some reason | 20:42 |
| sdake | perhaps we can just put monit in a container if it does the job | 20:43 |
| sdake | run with --pid=host | 20:43 |
| daneyon_ | for now, I say we need to investigate the best way to perform health checking in each container and across the container cluster. Creating our own scripts from scratch should be the last option... I'm open to other tools. I just mention Monit because I used it back when i was doing customer deployments and it worked well | 20:43 |
| sdake | so launch would like like docker exec blah monit x | 20:43 |
| sdake | cool i'll play with it today daneyon_ | 20:43 |
| sdake | looks small enough | 20:44 |
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| jpeeler | +1 on avoiding using our own scripts | 20:44 |
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| sdake | ya we want our scripts to be simple - less then 100 lines if possible | 20:44 |
| sdake | although not always posible inside a container | 20:44 |
| daneyon_ | Monit needs to be able to restart the pid of the service it's monitoring | 20:45 |
| sdake | ok, i'll spec monit after I give it a go | 20:45 |
| sdake | daneyon_ it would be able to do that with --pid=host | 20:45 |
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| daneyon_ | sdake: roger that | 20:46 |
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| sdake | any other suggested blueprints? | 20:46 |
| daneyon_ | what about container logging? | 20:46 |
| sdake | that needs to go in the spec if you want it :) | 20:46 |
| sdake | maybe we can defer that to a later spec | 20:46 |
| daneyon_ | if we're going to address monitoring the services, should we dev a logging solution? | 20:47 |
| sdake | I have no idea how to do the job on that point | 20:47 |
| sdake | I like logging to stdout personally :) | 20:47 |
| sdake | and have some tool capture them via docker log | 20:47 |
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| daneyon_ | OK, we can address logging in a follow-on milestone | 20:47 |
| sdake | or a followon spec in this milestone as well | 20:48 |
| sdake | so dates | 20:48 |
| sdake | I think we have beat the etherpad into pretty good shape | 20:48 |
| sdake | I'll not convert to blueprints until we have approved the spec | 20:48 |
| sdake | so if you want, feel free to edit as you see fit | 20:48 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:49 |
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| sdake | March 19 is k3, I think it makes alot of sense to align with the OpenStack project's release schedule | 20:49 |
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| sdake | and that is about 4 weeks after we wrap up our planning | 20:50 |
| sdake | yah/ney? :) | 20:50 |
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| rhallisey | sounds good | 20:50 |
| daneyon_ | yah | 20:50 |
| sdake | cool sounds good then no nays :) | 20:51 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 20:51 |
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| sdake | we have 9 minutes but we had alot of open discussion already | 20:51 |
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| sdake | seems like pepole are fired up for this new approach to me :) | 20:51 |
| daneyon_ | ya! | 20:51 |
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| britthouser | Huzzah! | 20:51 |
| daneyon_ | Another monitoring option #link https://github.com/stackforge/monitoring-for-openstack | 20:51 |
| rhallisey | sdake, when we get there, I can write us the selinux policy needed whne using the super privlaged containers | 20:52 |
| daneyon_ | not much dev lately, but definitly better than starting from scratch | 20:52 |
| sdake | rhallisey that would totally rock! | 20:52 |
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| sdake | ok anything else? | 20:53 |
| sdake | or shall we end the meeting | 20:53 |
| sdake | danyeon_ those monitoring scripts look interesting, would work well as check scripts | 20:54 |
| daneyon_ | time for lunch. thx. | 20:54 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 20:54:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-02-09-20.00.html | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-02-09-20.00.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-02-09-20.00.log.html | 20:54 |
| sdake | thanks folks :) | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | thanks :) | 20:54 |
| sdake | see you next week | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | see ya | 20:54 |
| sdake | stay on top of the spec review please, I'll be on it as fast as you are :) | 20:54 |
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