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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 08:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
| anteaya | if you are here for the third party meeting do raise your hand | 08:00 |
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| lennyb_ | Hi | 08:01 |
| anteaya | hello lennyb_ | 08:01 |
| anteaya | welcome | 08:01 |
| anteaya | are you setting up a third party ci system? | 08:02 |
| lennyb_ | Thanks, My name is Lenny and I joined OpenStack project at Mellanox just recently | 08:02 |
| lennyb_ | Yeap, I am working on CI | 08:02 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 08:02 |
| anteaya | nice to have you lenny | 08:02 |
| anteaya | how is your setup going? | 08:02 |
| lennyb_ | Warse that expected, but better that it could be :). I am working on Nova CI, but it failes with some credential issues. | 08:03 |
| swamireddy1 | HI | 08:03 |
| anteaya | swamireddy1: hello | 08:04 |
| anteaya | welcome | 08:04 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: what tools are you using in your system? | 08:04 |
| swamireddy1 | I am lokking for 3rd party CI setup ...started with 3rd party CI requirement. | 08:04 |
| swamireddy1 | anteaya: Thank you... | 08:04 |
| anteaya | swamireddy1: that is a good place to start | 08:04 |
| anteaya | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 08:05 |
| anteaya | swamireddy1: so you started here? | 08:05 |
| swamireddy1 | anteaya: Does any one have the basic req. needed for the 3rd party CI | 08:05 |
| lennyb | anteaya: Zuul, JJB, Jenkins. We have Cinder and Neutron CI, so I am trying to duplicate/replicate it | 08:05 |
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| swamireddy1 | anteaya: Thanks... | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | swamireddy1: does the page I linked answer your question? | 08:05 |
| swamireddy1 | anteaya: Basically I need add the Ceph to CI | 08:06 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: nice, yes there are folks from mellanox who have quite a bit of experience, are you in contact with any of them? | 08:06 |
| anteaya | swamireddy1: oh I thought someone was already working on a ci for ceph | 08:07 |
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| anteaya | swamireddy1: how long have you been working on a ci for ceph? | 08:07 |
| lennyb | anteaya: Yeap, we are working together, but there is nothing like personal experience :) | 08:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: oh good | 08:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: and yes that is true | 08:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: so you have a credential issue | 08:07 |
| swamireddy1 | anteaya: Oh...can you please share the folks who are woking on the ceph CI...please note that ceph + openstack CI | 08:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: has anyone at mellanox seen that issue previously? | 08:08 |
| lennyb_ | I will ask today. All of us have a lot of work :) | 08:08 |
| swamireddy1 | anteaya: As of now we have CI setup locally/internally used with ceph + OS... | 08:09 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: : my issue : 'File "/opt/stack/tempest/tempest/common/credentials.py", line 39, in get_isolated_credentials' | 08:09 |
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| swamireddy1 | anteaya: But recently I have added a patch to ceilometer to get the meters from CEPH object storage...so this needs 3rd party CI.. | 08:09 |
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| anteaya | swamireddy1: with ceph + operating system? which operating system? | 08:11 |
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| swamireddy | anteaya: OS here is : Opens Stack...sorry | 08:12 |
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| anteaya | openstack is openstack | 08:13 |
| anteaya | OS is operating system | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | I know there was talk of a ceph ci account some time ago | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | but with the new way of createing accounts I can't seem to find it | 08:14 |
| anteaya | I did however find a puppet-ceph account | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:loic-puppetceph%2540dachary.org+status:open,n,z | 08:14 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:loic-puppetceph%2540dachary.org+status:open,n,z | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | so it might be worthwhile for you to find that person | 08:14 |
| anteaya | I don't know what their irc nickname is | 08:14 |
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| swamireddy | anteaya: OK..Thanks...sure....will do more work on this area | 08:15 |
| anteaya | swamireddy: what else do you need? | 08:15 |
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| swamireddy | anteaya: Thank you...Qquick Q: In 3rd party CI - do we need to publish the results to public (after runnign the tests)? | 08:16 |
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| anteaya | yes | 08:17 |
| anteaya | #info Include a public link to all test artifacts to make debugging failed tests easier (using a dns name over a hardcoded ip is recommended). | 08:18 |
| anteaya | that is from | 08:18 |
| anteaya | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements | 08:19 |
| swamireddy | anteaya: Cool...one more Q: 3rd party CI setup in my local env. should I give access to run this setup to out sider or public? | 08:19 |
| anteaya | no | 08:19 |
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| swamireddy | anteaya: sure, will go through these links. Thanks | 08:19 |
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| anteaya | the point of the third party ci setup is that it is self-contained and you are responsible for exactly how it is configured and running | 08:19 |
| anteaya | you can't do that if you give access away | 08:20 |
| anteaya | swamireddy: thanks for asking | 08:20 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: you back yet? | 08:20 |
| lennyb_ | anteaya: I am here | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: great, you disappered there for a bit | 08:22 |
| anteaya | so your credential issue | 08:22 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: have you shown the stacktrace to others at mellanox yet? | 08:22 |
| lennyb_ | anteaya: no, I just logged out of duplicate irc client | 08:22 |
| anteaya | oh I see | 08:23 |
| swamireddy | anteaya: Thank you. Will come back with my inital work...after a week or so... | 08:23 |
| anteaya | swamireddy: sounds good | 08:23 |
| lennyb_ | anteaya: I wil show them the log later today. | 08:23 |
| anteaya | great | 08:24 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: is mellanox aware that gerrit's ip is changing on march 21st? | 08:24 |
| swamireddy | anteaya: Is this meeting happens on weekly basis?? | 08:24 |
| anteaya | swamireddy: yes | 08:24 |
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| anteaya | swamireddy: did you also know gerrit's ip address will be changing on march 21st? | 08:25 |
| anteaya | swamireddy: are you behind a firewall? | 08:25 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: I am not sure, I will let us know. | 08:25 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: okay | 08:25 |
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| swamireddy | anteaya: cool...will join this meeting | 08:27 |
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| anteaya | swamireddy: great | 08:29 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:29 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 08:29 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: we are talking about IP change, not DNS name change, correct ? | 08:33 |
| lennyb_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 08:33 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: correct, ip change | 08:33 |
| anteaya | the email I linked above has the ip addresses that will be used as of March 21st | 08:33 |
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| anteaya | any more items to discuss today? | 08:54 |
| anteaya | if not, I will wrap it up | 08:54 |
| anteaya | okay thanks everyone | 08:55 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:55 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 08:56:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-17-08.00.html | 08:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-17-08.00.txt | 08:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-17-08.00.log.html | 08:56 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting nova-net-to-neutron-migration | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 09:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-net-to-neutron-migration)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_net_to_neutron_migration' | 09:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 09:01 |
| jlibosva | hello | 09:01 |
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| obondarev_ | hi | 09:01 |
| anteaya | mikal gus ping | 09:01 |
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| anteaya | jlibosva: I have forgotten her irc nick, is the yahoo developer available, do you know? | 09:02 |
| jlibosva | sec | 09:02 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: spandhe ? | 09:02 |
| anteaya | thanks | 09:02 |
| anteaya | thats the one | 09:02 |
| anteaya | spandhe ping | 09:02 |
| anteaya | let's get going | 09:03 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova-nettoNeutronMigration#Agenda | 09:03 |
| anteaya | our agenda | 09:03 |
| anteaya | #topic the state of the Neutron spec (obondarev) | 09:03 |
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| obondarev_ | ok | 09:03 |
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| obondarev | not really much to update on the specs side | 09:04 |
| obondarev | I added several comments to the second spec | 09:04 |
| obondarev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142456 | 09:04 |
| obondarev | one of them is that I think we won't need a special extension in neutron to get/save data that is special for nova-net | 09:04 |
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| obondarev | we can continue to use nova db for such fields without any drawbacks | 09:05 |
| anteaya | what data might that be/ | 09:05 |
| anteaya | ? | 09:05 |
| obondarev | the data like integer id field | 09:05 |
| obondarev | or bridge, bridge_interface | 09:05 |
| anteaya | will those ever be used in neutron? | 09:05 |
| obondarev | I believe no | 09:06 |
| obondarev | so that's the idea | 09:06 |
| anteaya | what might be the point of retaining that data? | 09:06 |
| obondarev | so it will be needed for nova-net wjile we are in a mixed env | 09:07 |
| obondarev | while* | 09:07 |
| obondarev | it's about nova-proxy mode | 09:07 |
| anteaya | okay well let's think about that then since we seem to be at an impasse in the proxy department | 09:08 |
| anteaya | so you have some concerns about data | 09:08 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 09:08 |
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| anteaya | anything else in the specs for now? | 09:08 |
| obondarev | I believe we should continue to work on the spec and prototyping in parallel | 09:08 |
| anteaya | that feels reasonable to me | 09:09 |
| anteaya | anything more on specs? | 09:09 |
| obondarev | not from my side | 09:09 |
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| anteaya | great let's move on | 09:10 |
| anteaya | #topic the state of implementation (obondarev) | 09:10 |
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| obondarev | so for db migration | 09:10 |
| obondarev | I looked through new revision briefly, I still have a concern that we should keep nova-net uuids of resources | 09:10 |
| obondarev | instead of generating new in neutron | 09:10 |
| obondarev | that's needed for transparent transition to nova-net proxy | 09:11 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: any opinion on uuids? | 09:11 |
| jlibosva | I just wanted to make it consistent with networks created in neutron. | 09:11 |
| jlibosva | but if it's needed for proxy | 09:11 |
| jlibosva | i'll remake it | 09:11 |
| anteaya | hang on | 09:11 |
| jlibosva | the thing is nova-net uses integers while neutron uses uuids | 09:12 |
| anteaya | so retaining uuids from nova would make that inconsistent with neutron? | 09:12 |
| obondarev | not really | 09:12 |
| obondarev | nova-net uses both | 09:12 |
| obondarev | can see in networks at least | 09:12 |
| obondarev | it has id and uuid | 09:13 |
| anteaya | but is that the deployer's choice? | 09:13 |
| obondarev | so I mean to keep same uuid in neutron | 09:13 |
| jlibosva | ahaaa | 09:13 |
| jlibosva | but id is PK, right? | 09:13 |
| jlibosva | let me check | 09:13 |
| obondarev | anteaya: no, both id and uuid are used at the same time by nova-net | 09:13 |
| anteaya | oh okay | 09:14 |
| obondarev | jlibosva: same for vifs | 09:14 |
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| anteaya | if the choice results in consistency with the rest of neutron after the migration is complete, then I'm fine with the choice | 09:15 |
| jlibosva | obondarev: but if we'll have neutron db as a source of truth | 09:15 |
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| obondarev | jlibosva: it should still be ok | 09:16 |
| jlibosva | obondarev: and you want to re-construct e.g. fixed_ip model, you'll need to know network's id | 09:16 |
| obondarev | yep | 09:16 |
| obondarev | id can be fetched from nova db | 09:16 |
| jlibosva | and still fixed ip will be reconstructed from neutron's db | 09:17 |
| obondarev | correct | 09:17 |
| jlibosva | so after migration, I still don't see the point of needing to know the id :) | 09:17 |
| jlibosva | basically data are migrated, are consistent and previous ids are not relevant anymore | 09:17 |
| obondarev | after db migration we'll still have nova-net hypervisors | 09:18 |
| obondarev | configured for proxy mode | 09:18 |
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| obondarev | those hypervisors will expect same uuid/id | 09:18 |
| obondarev | as well as users | 09:18 |
| anteaya | let's talk about the proxy actually | 09:19 |
| obondarev | ok | 09:19 |
| anteaya | since we seem to have different opinions on that | 09:19 |
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| obondarev | osimple example | 09:19 |
| anteaya | so if we move to look at the proxy patch | 09:19 |
| obondarev | anteaya: go ahead | 09:19 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ | 09:19 |
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| anteaya | this has not got a lot of agreement from nova at the moment | 09:20 |
| obondarev | yes | 09:20 |
| anteaya | I had been expecting mikal to attend to help us move forward here | 09:20 |
| obondarev | it's more regarding the approach | 09:20 |
| anteaya | but I'll proceed with my best understanding | 09:20 |
| anteaya | yes | 09:20 |
| anteaya | so let's see if we can understand what the concerns about the approach are | 09:20 |
| anteaya | I belive this has to do with interfaces | 09:21 |
| anteaya | and nova would prefer the use of an api | 09:21 |
| obondarev | as I see the concerns are in the level at which to implment the proxy | 09:21 |
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| anteaya | I believe there is actually an api available for interacting with neutron is there not? | 09:21 |
| anteaya | obondarev: yes | 09:21 |
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| anteaya | and nova would prefer using an api | 09:21 |
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| obondarev | the problem is that we can't just switch to using neutron api in nova right after db migration | 09:22 |
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| anteaya | okay let's just take a minute | 09:23 |
| anteaya | dansmith would like nova/network/neutronv2/api.py used | 09:23 |
| anteaya | have we looked at this api? | 09:23 |
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| obondarev | sure | 09:23 |
| anteaya | we have | 09:23 |
| anteaya | are we able to use any part of it? | 09:24 |
| obondarev | that's the api that is used when cloud is configured to work with neutron | 09:24 |
| anteaya | great | 09:24 |
| obondarev | and that api will be used when we switch a hypervisor to neutron | 09:24 |
| anteaya | let's take a minute and look at the logs from the last nova meeting | 09:24 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-12-21.00.log.html | 09:24 |
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| anteaya | timestamp 21:08:42 | 09:25 |
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| anteaya | do you understand the points that are being made? | 09:26 |
| anteaya | at this point I don't see the use of having separate meetings | 09:27 |
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| anteaya | since if this meeting has one opinion and the other meeting has another opinion | 09:27 |
| anteaya | and I am the only one that attends both | 09:27 |
| anteaya | that falls down | 09:27 |
| obondarev | I think all opinions should be reflected in the review anywhay | 09:27 |
| anteaya | do you think they are at this point? | 09:28 |
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| obondarev | I think yes | 09:28 |
| obondarev | Dan's is there | 09:28 |
| obondarev | Andrew's as well | 09:28 |
| anteaya | great | 09:28 |
| obondarev | mine and gus also | 09:28 |
| anteaya | so we have the opinions | 09:28 |
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| anteaya | now how do we get moving forward again | 09:29 |
| anteaya | since the patch is currently -2'd by johnthetubaguy | 09:29 |
| obondarev | I'd like folks to comment on my last comments | 09:29 |
| anteaya | which folks? | 09:29 |
| obondarev | -2 is for the spec | 09:29 |
| jlibosva | but that's just because of bp not merged | 09:29 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: okay thanks | 09:29 |
| obondarev | johnthetubaguy wants blueprint for this | 09:30 |
| obondarev | which is fair | 09:30 |
| anteaya | okay | 09:30 |
| anteaya | can we create a blueprint? | 09:30 |
| obondarev | yes | 09:31 |
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| obondarev | but really the concep is in the patch | 09:31 |
| anteaya | great | 09:31 |
| anteaya | yes it is | 09:31 |
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| obondarev | and discussion may proceed | 09:31 |
| anteaya | how do we address the concerns? | 09:32 |
| anteaya | discussion doesn't feel like it is proceeding to me | 09:32 |
| anteaya | so how do we get it moving again? | 09:32 |
| obondarev | I'd like to see comments on my last replies | 09:32 |
| anteaya | comments from whom? | 09:32 |
| obondarev | Dan and Andrew | 09:32 |
| anteaya | great | 09:32 |
| anteaya | can you tell them you would like to see their thoughts? | 09:33 |
| obondarev | as I don't think that proxying at a higher level will be any simpler | 09:33 |
| anteaya | or perhaps ask them what their thoughts are? | 09:33 |
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| anteaya | obondarev: fine | 09:33 |
| anteaya | but convincing me isn't useful | 09:33 |
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| obondarev | that's what I did on the review | 09:33 |
| anteaya | are you willing to ask dan and andrew to share their thoughts | 09:33 |
| anteaya | yes | 09:34 |
| anteaya | yes you did | 09:34 |
| anteaya | but we don't have agreement yet | 09:34 |
| anteaya | so we have to try something new | 09:34 |
| obondarev | so I'd like all thoughts be in the review | 09:34 |
| anteaya | something different | 09:34 |
| obondarev | to have history | 09:34 |
| anteaya | that is fair | 09:34 |
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| anteaya | anything more on this topic then? | 09:35 |
| anteaya | okay thanks, let's move on | 09:35 |
| anteaya | #topic documentation (emagana) | 09:35 |
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| anteaya | we have a patch to review | 09:36 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155947 | 09:36 |
| obondarev | great! | 09:36 |
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| anteaya | this is the documentation that is intended to accompany sdague, ttx, markmcclain and emagana_ at the ops summit | 09:36 |
| anteaya | so it would be great if you can review it and make sure it is sending the right message to operators | 09:37 |
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| obondarev | will review | 09:37 |
| anteaya | I do have a concern that the documentation sends readers with questions to ask.o.o, which I don't participate in | 09:37 |
| anteaya | obondarev: thanks | 09:37 |
| anteaya | my preference is that readers with questions attend the meetings | 09:38 |
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| anteaya | not sure how to address that in the documentation though | 09:38 |
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| anteaya | anything more on documentation? | 09:38 |
| anteaya | moving on | 09:39 |
| anteaya | #topic testing | 09:39 |
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| anteaya | jlibosva: any movement on testing your db migration patch? | 09:39 |
| * johnthetubaguy someone mentioned nova blueprints? | 09:39 | |
| jlibosva | I talked to spandhe | 09:39 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: awesome | 09:39 |
| jlibosva | she said she's gonna prepare environment with nova network | 09:40 |
| obondarev | johnthetubaguy: we were talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490 | 09:40 |
| jlibosva | currently they use icehouse, so they will probably need to build a new one with kilo | 09:40 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: hello yes, we were saying we need to create one for the neutron proxy patch in nova | 09:40 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: testing with icehouse should be a good path too | 09:40 |
| jlibosva | I have no other news since then on whether env is ready or not | 09:40 |
| jlibosva | no, the script is not compatible with icehouse I guess. at least not on neutron side | 09:41 |
| anteaya | we haven't discussed releases but we can't make assumptions about what release deployers are on | 09:41 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: oh | 09:41 |
| jlibosva | I think it will make sense to say "upgrade to kilo first" | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: OK, I can help get the paperwork sorted, just hit me up after the meeting | 09:41 |
| jlibosva | as db schemas vary among releases | 09:41 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: is that a reasonable request? | 09:41 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: thank you | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: we do actually assume people upgrade only from the previous release, if that helps | 09:42 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: obondarev what are your thoughts on releases? | 09:42 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: it does, so making a path for kilo only is reasonable? | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: yes, that fits our usual upgrade model | 09:42 |
| obondarev | jlibosva: I think we will support Kilo only | 09:42 |
| jlibosva | that makes sense to me | 09:42 |
| obondarev | jlibosva: at least nova net proxy will be available in kilo | 09:43 |
| anteaya | have we said anywhere that we support kilo only? | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: basically it means, people have to upgrade to kilo, then do the migration, which seems OK, in terms of what we normally do | 09:43 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: okay thanks | 09:43 |
| obondarev | johnthetubaguy: agree | 09:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | np | 09:43 |
| anteaya | so we should say somewhere kilo only | 09:43 |
| anteaya | yes? | 09:43 |
| anteaya | so perhaps in the spec? | 09:43 |
| anteaya | or should we say prior release? | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 for that being in the spec, for the avoidance of doubt | 09:44 |
| jlibosva | +1 | 09:44 |
| obondarev | +1 | 09:44 |
| anteaya | then if this drags on we don't have to keep with kilo | 09:44 |
| anteaya | can someone make a comment on the spec to that effect? | 09:44 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: actually since you are here | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | fire away | 09:45 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: can we bother you on your opinion on the proxy patch? | 09:45 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ | 09:45 |
| anteaya | it feels stuck to me | 09:45 |
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| anteaya | apart from needing a blueprint | 09:45 |
| anteaya | any thoughts on how we might get unstuck? | 09:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, getting aggreement on the spec helps avoid some of these situations | 09:46 |
| anteaya | true | 09:46 |
| anteaya | we are a bit chicken and egg though | 09:46 |
| obondarev | johnthetubaguy: that's the prototype | 09:46 |
| anteaya | since we were asked to show code for folks to feel comfortable reviewing the spec | 09:46 |
| obondarev | sometimes it's better to have prototype prior to the spec) | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | after a quick read of dan and andrew's comments, they seem reasonable, I just need to think about more about what I was expecting to see | 09:46 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | obondarev: very true, its often worth a prototype | 09:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | obondarev: did you get dan's comment on that patch? | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, its cleaner to go up the stack and subclass the nova-net adapter, rather than try to plug in between the DB | 09:49 |
| obondarev | after reading nova meeting logs I think dansmith may have feeling that the patch is going to be only for network object | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we are saying, its an odd use of objects thats likely to cause problems | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be better to create a whole new API, that subclasses the nova-net one, to share code | 09:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | or something a bit like that | 09:50 |
| obondarev | so from my comment on the patch | 09:50 |
| obondarev | Both nova-net api and manager are using nova-objects all over the place. So I'm afraid subclassing would mean a significant rewriting of nova-net code (developing/review nightmare!) | 09:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are just not convinced that the alternative will be "enough" | 09:51 |
| obondarev | you mean enough for all the cases? | 09:51 |
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| obondarev | currently it proxies just network object | 09:52 |
| obondarev | but the plan is to proxy all objects that nova-net operates | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, basically, it doesn't seem like it would work | 09:52 |
| obondarev | why? | 09:52 |
| obondarev | replacing the persistence layer from nova to neutron db is all what we're trying to accomplish with the proxy | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | its so low level, theres likely a miss match in the data that layer has for what you need to talk to neutron | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least, thats the impression I get | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, lets not derail this meeting, I need to read more to give you better answers | 09:53 |
| anteaya | do I understand correctly that the suggested way forward from nova is to write a new api? | 09:53 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: actually your thoughts are really helpful, thank you | 09:54 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: we had finished the agenda and are glad to have some light on how to unstick the proxy | 09:54 |
| obondarev | anteaya: my understanding is the same | 09:54 |
| obondarev | and I feel it's a lot harder | 09:55 |
| anteaya | if nova is suggesting this, then we just need to feel we have support for patch review and merging of the new api code from nova | 09:55 |
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| anteaya | obondarev: true, but if this is the only door open, I think we need to consider it | 09:55 |
| obondarev | I think we should continue discussion | 09:56 |
| anteaya | yes | 09:56 |
| obondarev | to be sure everybody understands everybody | 09:56 |
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| anteaya | right | 09:56 |
| anteaya | which is why I am curious to hear if my understanding is correct | 09:56 |
| anteaya | I'm discussing | 09:56 |
| obondarev | I'd really like to hear the case where folks think the approach will not work | 09:57 |
| anteaya | I thought we just did | 09:57 |
| obondarev | I mean particular case | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | network['rxtx_base'] thats a really hard one, its implied by the compute flavor, and is a VM global qos setting, if I remember correctly, anyways, we except at the DB later you just can't hide enough details | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/3/nova/network/neutron_migration/proxy_objects/network_proxy.py,cm | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking in there | 09:58 |
| obondarev | so for such fields | 09:59 |
| obondarev | the idea is to still use nova db | 09:59 |
| obondarev | I put a comment there on this | 09:59 |
| obondarev | I'll upload new revision | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, this isn't a good idea, but it just feels "messy" faking this stuff at that level | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | … so here is the thing | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can go build it this way, and it might work, and we might find the code debt "OK" for now | 10:00 |
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| obondarev | for such fields nothing will differ in proxy mode | 10:00 |
| * anteaya listens to johnthetubaguy | 10:00 | |
| johnthetubaguy | but the folks that know that code are saying you are likely to hit a snag that means it gets so horrible they would force it to be written the other way | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | its kinda your call which way you want to go | 10:01 |
| anteaya | well it also is code destined for nova | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess those folks are trying to say its likely to be more low risk and neater to hook in at the API level, which a bit of subclassing | 10:01 |
| anteaya | so the solution needs to be acceptable to nova | 10:01 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: I'm hearing you | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the current approach may turn out to be acceptable, it just seems very unlikely when we look at the prototype | 10:02 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: how do we get nova to say they will agree to those code changes if submitted? | 10:02 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: or is your word sufficient? | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | we will not, basically | 10:02 |
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| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: nova won't agree to api changes? | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically if it works out, and looks good in the end, then all is well | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its just that seems unlikely | 10:03 |
| * anteaya is confused | 10:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so we wouldn't recommend that approach up front | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | … let me step back | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we are basically saying we don't like the approach, but its only a prototype | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we looked at code thats fully features and working, and it looks OK, then we would merge it | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we are saying, its looking a lot like it would be horrible looking once its finished, but its hard to tell at this point | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I am sitting on the fence pointing in the direction we would like you to go | 10:04 |
| anteaya | which direction are you pointing? | 10:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | towards subclassing the API, like Dan and Andrew recommend | 10:05 |
| anteaya | and if we do that direction | 10:05 |
| anteaya | do we have support from nova to get patches reviewed and merged? | 10:05 |
| anteaya | for new api subclasses? | 10:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats a harder question, we should get core reviews to sponsor you | 10:06 |
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| anteaya | how do we find core reviewers to sponsor? | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is we are closed to blueprints and features and exception requests at this point in kilo | 10:06 |
| anteaya | right | 10:06 |
| anteaya | this also is my concern | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but this is a priority thing, so we can look at adding that in, if we get some agreement | 10:06 |
| anteaya | can we work on this with the idea that it won't be merged until L | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just, we really need the final code up for review already, if its got a hope of getting merged in kilo | 10:07 |
| anteaya | but we can continue to work on it | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, we totally can | 10:07 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: right I agree | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I got the wrong end of the stick | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yes, we can agree this for L | 10:07 |
| anteaya | so at this point, I am floating the idea that we pat ourselves on the back for having something to show ops in kilo | 10:07 |
| anteaya | meaning the documentation | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you need to submit the spec for L, and that should help decide things the "normal" way | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 10:08 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155947 | 10:08 |
| anteaya | and move toward code for L | 10:08 |
| anteaya | do you think that will work for nova? | 10:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | makes sense | 10:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't see a problem with it, but its worth raising in the meeting | 10:08 |
| anteaya | great | 10:08 |
| anteaya | that is the approach I will see if we can get agreement around | 10:08 |
| anteaya | since I think we are putting too much pressure on everyone to have this finished for kilo | 10:09 |
| anteaya | we need to keep working but we need to give ourselves more room to breath | 10:09 |
| anteaya | and we are way over time | 10:09 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for attending | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, the problem I have, is rackspace have already done the nova-network to neutron migration a year ago, so I have not really fully engaged in all the bits of the debate | 10:09 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 10:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we do appreciate seeing progress from the nova point of view, its great | 10:10 |
| anteaya | we are trying, thanks for the support | 10:10 |
| anteaya | any final thoughts? | 10:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the problem is when we can remove nova-network from nova, docs is probably not quite enough, but its better than zip, which is great | 10:10 |
| anteaya | okay see you next week, please review the docs patch | 10:10 |
| anteaya | agreed | 10:11 |
| jlibosva | will do, thanks | 10:11 |
| anteaya | thank you | 10:11 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 10:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:11 | |
| jlibosva | bye | 10:11 |
| obondarev | bye | 10:11 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 10:11:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-02-17-09.00.html | 10:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-02-17-09.00.txt | 10:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_net_to_neutron_migration/2015/nova_net_to_neutron_migration.2015-02-17-09.00.log.html | 10:11 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 14:59:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 14:59 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 15:00 |
| bauzas | hi, stepping up this time as n0ano can't make it, who's there ? | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | woah, please all don't speak at the same time :) | 15:01 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu and I were way ahead of you | 15:02 |
| lxsli | o/ | 15:02 |
| bauzas | ;à | 15:02 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:02 |
| alex_xu | :) | 15:02 |
| bauzas | so, let's start, so people could come | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | #topic Remove direct nova DB/API access by Scheduler Filters | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove direct nova DB/API access by Scheduler Filters (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:03 | |
| edleafe | So any ideas on the best way to represent version of the compute node? | 15:04 |
| bauzas | so, https://review.opernstack.org/138444/ is updated very often, thanks edleafe | 15:04 |
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| edleafe | Since RPC version doesn't seem to fit | 15:04 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I have another update waiting to go, after the results of this meeting | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: here I was thinking a x.y.z version is good | 15:05 |
| edleafe | it would seem that rolling compute node updates would have already been a problem | 15:05 |
| edleafe | and that someone would have created a solution | 15:05 |
| bauzas | edleafe: actually, the problem is that the scheduler is still really tied to Nova | 15:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: true | 15:06 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but longer term, that would be an API | 15:06 |
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| edleafe | but in general, compute nodes are rolled out in bunches, not all at once | 15:06 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so considering that's a separate API, in general, clients provide a backwards compatibility by discovering versions | 15:06 |
| edleafe | so the issue of differing behavior should have been a problem at some time, no? | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: here, on a longer term, we should imagine a Gantt client able to discover if the Gantt server is having the compute capabilitiy | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: at the moment, as we don't have a discovery mechanism, that's just something we pass to the Scheduler | 15:07 |
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| edleafe | the reverse is also true | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: reverse of what ? | 15:08 |
| edleafe | if the gantt server is relying on outside entities behaving a certain way, it needs to be able to have a way to verify that | 15:08 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that, I disagree :) | 15:08 |
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| edleafe | i.e., gantt server discovering its clients | 15:08 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's all about capabilities of a given API | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so, if Gantt wants to know Nova capabilities, it will run the Nova client which provides that backwards compatibiltiy | 15:09 |
| edleafe | so you're saying that the gantt server will never be dependent on anything outside of itself? | 15:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: all the compatibility checks are usually done by the clients | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'm not saying that :) | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'm saying that if Gantt has to depend on something else, it will use the "something else" client library for knowing the "something else" capabilities | 15:10 |
| edleafe | bauzas: we're not at a pure client/server relationship | 15:10 |
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| edleafe | we're relying on individual compute nodes as the source of truth | 15:10 |
| bauzas | edleafe: right, and that comes up to my point : that's just because the Scheduler is really tied | 15:11 |
| edleafe | not the compute api | 15:11 |
| edleafe | understood | 15:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: right, and it won't change | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: meaning that the compute nodes are running a scheduler clien t | 15:11 |
| edleafe | that's what I'm trying to figure out how to deal with. Not the ideal situation in the future | 15:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so, we can just consider that the scheduler client is having a version | 15:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: as it's already the case for Juno, we know that all updates are going thru the client | 15:12 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so bumping a client version seems reasonable | 15:12 |
| edleafe | bauzas: bumping the scheduler client version, yes | 15:12 |
| edleafe | but that doesn't help us here | 15:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ie. computes provide their stats thru the client, the client is adding a version number to those states | 15:13 |
| bauzas | stats | 15:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so we keep the release tagging by the scheduler | 15:13 |
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| edleafe | it's adding the same version number to every stats report | 15:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: incorrect | 15:13 |
| edleafe | ?? | 15:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: computes have different scheduler client versions | 15:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because the code is run by the compute node | 15:14 |
| alex_xu | I'm confuse on what we expect on Gantt in the future, Gantt poll data and nova also push data to gantt | 15:14 |
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| alex_xu | we want to poll data or push data? | 15:14 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: the direction is very clear : Gantt won't *poll* data unless exceptional circumstances | 15:14 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: in the future, gantt will own the data | 15:15 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: Computes (or others) will push data to Gantt | 15:15 |
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| lxsli | So we ask compute nodes to write their scheduler client version to DB on startup; then any node sans version which hasn't sent us a message we assume is old? | 15:15 |
| bauzas | lxsli: you got it | 15:15 |
| edleafe | lxsli: no, we don't even need the db then | 15:15 |
| bauzas | edleafe: no, we still need DB | 15:15 |
| lxsli | :D | 15:15 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because compute updates are going thru the DB now | 15:16 |
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| alex_xu | bauzas: but we define interface for sync instances info. We call gatt to tell which instance need updated, then we let gantt poll the updated instance | 15:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: can't the scheduler keep track when it gets stats reports? | 15:16 |
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| edleafe | Host A has client version 1.2.3, host B has 1.2.4 | 15:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's an async process | 15:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes | 15:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sched client updates the conductor which updates DB | 15:16 |
| lxsli | edleafe: we need to know whether a node is old on startup, before it gets a chance to update us | 15:16 |
| edleafe | and until a host reports a minimal version, we assume it is old | 15:16 |
| lxsli | that's why we still need the DB afaik | 15:17 |
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| edleafe | lxsli: why do we need to know that at startup? | 15:17 |
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| edleafe | if it's old, it won't be sending updates | 15:17 |
| edleafe | (for instances) | 15:17 |
| lxsli | because a compute node doesn't message us until something changes on it and we need to be able to schedule to it immediately | 15:17 |
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| edleafe | when the time comes to add instance info to HostState objects, unless we've seen a minimal version for that host, we'll grab the InstanceList ourselves | 15:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so you're just saying that we should just consider that if no RPC calls are going from an host, then the host is old - that's cautious : | 15:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sort of | 15:18 |
| lxsli | we get the initial InstanceList from the DB, we want that to include whether the node is new so we don't do DB queries for new nodes | 15:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I'm saying that the compute nodes are sending stats regularly | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I was just seeing that computes periodically update stats to DB using the client, we can tag this client | 15:18 |
| lxsli | edleafe: not regularly - on change | 15:18 |
| bauzas | lxsli: +1 | 15:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas: once we see a minimal version for the client, we know that we are getting instance changes | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that's even better if we tag those stats - just because we're adding a version | 15:19 |
| bauzas | edleafe: anyway, the idea is the scheduler version - maybe the sync method (which I still think it's a bad name, but anyway...) can just report that version | 15:20 |
| edleafe | lxsli: if the compute node is new, it will also be sending syncs periodically | 15:20 |
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| edleafe | lxsli: so we'll know if we missed something | 15:20 |
| lxsli | edleafe: ahhh the sync - OK, that can work | 15:21 |
| bauzas | gosh, I really dislike the 'sync' word :/ | 15:21 |
| lxsli | sanity check? :) | 15:21 |
| edleafe | bauzas: it's better than 'check_for_same_uuids' :) | 15:21 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: or 'are_we_in_sync' | 15:22 |
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| lxsli | OK to sum up - so we assume any node is old unless we've had a sanity check from it, and the scheduler client version contained in that is new enough | 15:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: anyway, I don't want to nitpick | 15:22 |
| edleafe | lxsli: gut_check | 15:22 |
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| edleafe | lxsli: that's what I'm thinking | 15:22 |
| lxsli | (where 'new enough' is always true right now) | 15:22 |
| lxsli | That works for me... we could do a few extra queries in the first minute, but ^^ | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that could work - ie. the 'sync' method is just "pass context to the scheduler, incl. version" | 15:23 |
| edleafe | lxsli: yes, the startup will always be a little crazy until things settle down and we know what we're dealing with | 15:23 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yep | 15:23 |
| bauzas | +1 on it, I don't want to take too much time on that | 15:24 |
| lxsli | +1 woohoo progress! | 15:24 |
| edleafe | bauzas: actually, any sync at all means it's new enough :) | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: agreed | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: adding a version seems reasonable anyway | 15:24 |
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| edleafe | this is great, because it solves the hairy DB problem I was seeing in tests | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | eh eh | 15:25 |
| edleafe | since the ComputeManager isn't going to be writing to the DB at startup | 15:25 |
| bauzas | edleafe: it does :) | 15:25 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because ComputeManager calls RT.update_resource_stats() at startup | 15:25 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: but that's already taken care of | 15:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: anyway, I leave you update the spec | 15:26 |
| edleafe | I don't have to mock out this new call all over the place | 15:26 |
| lxsli | I put a comment on the spec | 15:26 |
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| lxsli | What's the next topic? | 15:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: about the spec, I had one comment about passing the user context as an argument | 15:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes | 15:26 |
| bauzas | basically, I'm not seeing it as an added value | 15:27 |
| bauzas | if the scheduler wants to query its DB, it doesn't need the Nova user context | 15:27 |
| edleafe | so it's not needed for the RPC stuff to work? | 15:27 |
| edleafe | Just looking at the other calls, they all pass in context, 'method_name', **kwargs | 15:27 |
| bauzas | edleafe: nope at all, we are even trying to reduce the number of times we're passing out a context | 15:27 |
| edleafe | ok, then I'll take it out | 15:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: like in the object methods | 15:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: we're just passing out a context once | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: again, I don't want to nitpick, lxsli thoughts ? | 15:28 |
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| lxsli | None | 15:28 |
| bauzas | awesome | 15:28 |
| edleafe | hey, if it's not needed, then I'll take it out | 15:29 |
| bauzas | lxsli raised an NotFoundException | 15:29 |
| edleafe | anything else on the spec? | 15:29 |
| bauzas | ok, before we're definitely loosing lxsli, we can move on :) | 15:29 |
| bauzas | #topic Status on cleanup work | 15:30 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: need any help on your patch series? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: which one ? :D | 15:30 |
| edleafe | any of them! | 15:30 |
| bauzas | detach-service ? | 15:30 |
| * edleafe was thinking of detach server | 15:31 | |
| bauzas | so, detach-service-from-computenode is in a quite good shape | 15:31 |
| edleafe | ugh | 15:31 |
| edleafe | service | 15:31 |
| bauzas | because I have core support | 15:31 |
| lxsli | dan went +A wild :) | 15:31 |
| bauzas | and jaypipes kindly helped me on that one | 15:31 |
| bauzas | I have other BPs | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | isolate-sched-db-aggregates is in a good shape, ie. coding coding coding | 15:32 |
| bauzas | and RequestSpec objectification is currently blocked because of an Image objectification patch | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | so, I'm pretty late to the planning, but I can still handle my work :) | 15:32 |
| edleafe | bauzas: how can the rest of us help out? | 15:32 |
| bauzas | edleafe: honestly, not a lot of things | 15:33 |
| lxsli | I have a bit of time too | 15:33 |
| edleafe | ok, just checking | 15:33 |
| bauzas | edleafe: as I said, it's all about coding a BP which is quite straightforward :) | 15:33 |
| edleafe | I'm coding my spec as WIP, so when that finally gets approved, the code should be ready, too | 15:33 |
| bauzas | lxsli: you told me this morning about something on the RT objectification, right K | 15:33 |
| bauzas | ? | 15:33 |
| bauzas | edleafe: awesome | 15:33 |
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| lxsli | Yeah Paul promised we'd help with that but we've been blocked / busy | 15:34 |
| lxsli | I think my migration object chain is pretty OK right now so I was looking for something more to do in that area | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: I'm lost with your series, could you just give us the link ? | 15:35 |
| lxsli | So mine is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79324/ but I need Jay's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152689/ before sahid's patch can merge before mine can | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: ok thanks, I'm starring those changes | 15:36 |
| lxsli | So that one will be some time... meanwhile looking for some more RT objectification to help with | 15:36 |
| bauzas | lxsli: there are some patches in review about that | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: I saw them in the pipeline from someone named Hans Lindgren | 15:37 |
| bauzas | lxsli: here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149224/ | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: you can probably help him | 15:38 |
| lxsli | OK I'll have a look, thanks | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | any further things to discuss about the priority BPs or can I open the opens ? | 15:39 |
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| edleafe | open the opens! | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | #topic Open discussion | 15:40 |
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| bauzas | So, wazztup ? | 15:40 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tauYnVE6ykU | 15:41 |
| lxsli | It's just us 4 here right? Maybe not too much | 15:41 |
| edleafe | We discussed my issues already, so I'm good | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I was exactly on the same video but was too shy to propose it here :) | 15:41 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I'm glad you did :) | 15:41 |
| edleafe | bauzas: :) | 15:42 |
| bauzas | ok, if crickets, then return | 15:42 |
| lxsli | Early finish \o/ | 15:42 |
| bauzas | thanks all | 15:42 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 15:42:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-02-17-14.59.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-02-17-14.59.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-02-17-14.59.log.html | 15:42 |
| alex_xu | \o/ begin my vacation! | 15:42 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: awesome, how long ? | 15:42 |
| alex_xu | one week, China new year | 15:42 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: Enjoy! | 15:42 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: Happy new year, btw. ! | 15:42 |
| lxsli | Happy New Year :) | 15:43 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: bauzas thanks :) | 15:43 |
| alex_xu | lxsli: thanks | 15:43 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: take a good rest :) | 15:43 |
| bauzas | see you all | 15:43 |
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| boris-42 | I am here | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | hero | 17:04 |
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| andreykurilin_ | hi! | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 17:04:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:04 |
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| boris-42 | to many meeting on one day lol | 17:04 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, it's awful | 17:05 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 cheer up! | 17:05 |
| rvasilets__ | hi | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | Hi guys | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: hey hey | 17:06 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 17:06 |
| meteorfox | hi | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | so let's disucss the topic of persistance context | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | as far as meteorfox is interested in it | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: this is our roadmap https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit?usp=drive_web | 17:07 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: thanks | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: 24 point is related to persistance context | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: so the idea is to do next | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: have command rally context | 17:08 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: awesome | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: that will accept deployment uuid (and context section as now) | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: and just create context that you speicfy (so run only setup() part) | 17:09 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: sounds promising | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: and then there will be special context (use_persistance_context: uuid/name) | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: that you are specifinig for each test | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: so the issue that we have are next | 17:11 |
| meteorfox | right | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | 1) improving cleanup (to make them separated) | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | 2) adding some validation stuff (to check that you can actually use persistance context and context that you specify together) | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | first is in progress | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | another will take some amount of time | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: btw as far as you are in meeting | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: do you have something to share from operators side? | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | like this stuff? | 17:13 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: ok, quick questions, perhaps I'm missing some important part, but wouldn't the persistance context create a given context, and every time you run a new task, first validate that such conditions are met, then run the scenario? | 17:13 |
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| meteorfox | then have another rally context command that can 'unapply the perstiance context | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: yep it's all in rally context | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: you will have rally context list / delete / create / show | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | commands | 17:14 |
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| meteorfox | ok sounds reasonable | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so any other thoughts?) | 17:15 |
| meteorfox | well, for the sake of the others, I work at Rackspace, currently looking at performance test our private cloud offering with Rally | 17:15 |
| meteorfox | we decided to go with the community with this one, and contribute to Rally, instead of re-inventing the wheel | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: nice =) | 17:16 |
| meteorfox | also, we are very interested in the CI gating integration w SLA | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: btw I would like to start work on cloud validation stuff | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: like huge parametrized rally task that will check everything | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: I think it should be interesting for you as well. I will make blogpost related to this topic and send to mailing list | 17:18 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: you mean everything that was specified in the persistence context, right? | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: nope it's not related to persistance context | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: checking that everything works in openstack | 17:18 |
| meteorfox | oh | 17:18 |
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| meteorfox | wouldn't that be outside of the responabilities of Rally? | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so my thoughts are next | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: keeping this task inside the rally will allow operators from various companies to collabarate together | 17:20 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: I see your point, but what would constitute a valid deployment? | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: what we write in that task. We will specify the load and amount of iterations and SLA criterias based on various parameters | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: amount of controllers, computes, (swift or ceph) and so on | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: if you can run it and it pass => your cloud works well =) | 17:21 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: ok, I see what you mean. But this will be highly dependent on how it is deployed, and the hardware used. Maybe have a learning mechanism, that takes a baseline? | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so this is not thing that can be done for 1 day | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: it will require a lot of experiments and so on | 17:24 |
| meteorfox | right | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: but the result is quite clear simple task that accepts few arguments | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: and do all stuff=) | 17:24 |
| meteorfox | I can envison something that will run several measurements on a reference architecture that you will initially have to run (and possible export the results as a json file), and use that as a baseline, when comparing new deployements | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so let me write blogpost | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: that can make it simpler for understanding=) | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move on | 17:27 |
| meteorfox | that way I can go to a customer, where I just deployed, and say here's the baseline, you can run rally validation test with this argument, and it will compare your deployment to our baseline | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so comparing results is differnet topic | 17:27 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: thanks, let me know when the blog post goes out | 17:27 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: alright | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: so step by step=) | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | #topic cosntant runner refactoring | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: hey how is it?) | 17:28 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 hey | 17:29 |
| msdubov | So let me give a link to the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155225/ | 17:30 |
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| msdubov | I have tested it a bit (with the abort() functionality implemented) | 17:30 |
| msdubov | and started to provide it with unit tests | 17:31 |
| msdubov | I'm also going to move some common code for constant and rps runners to rally.benchmark.runners.utils | 17:31 |
| msdubov | And what will be left is to implement timeouts | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: please | 17:32 |
| msdubov | So this is WIP now, but I believe I'll post an update of this patch tomorrow | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: don't work on timeouts | 17:32 |
| msdubov | boris-42:Okay, let's move step-by-step! | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: just unification with RPS | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: unit tests | 17:33 |
| msdubov | boris-42: ok | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: okay I would like to get this done (without timeouts) in 0.0.2 release | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | Okay let's move to next stuff | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | #topic HTML reports | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: any news related to your big refactoring when it will be ready?) | 17:36 |
| amaretskiy | I'm working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146814/ | 17:36 |
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| amaretskiy | the job is done, but unit tests | 17:36 |
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| amaretskiy | i will submit patch set in our | 17:37 |
| amaretskiy | but unit tests are still incomplete | 17:37 |
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| amaretskiy | so WIP mark will be removed tomorrow | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay great | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I like that amount of code is reduced | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: I like such refactoring lol | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 17:38 |
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| msdubov | destroy! | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | even with this nice feature the code is reduced | 17:38 |
| andreykurilin_ | heh:) | 17:38 |
| amaretskiy | but i do not know the final amount of code after unit tests are updated | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: okay | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | so let's move to next topic | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | #topic Mirantis Rally CI is voting | 17:39 |
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| amaretskiy | i believe we will still have large amount of code removed :) | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | So as you can see now Rally Mirantis CI put +1/-1 to verified | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | which is really nice=) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | woot=) | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: btw if you are interested in making Rally third party testing CI | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: for Rackspace | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: for Rackspace | 17:40 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: yes, we are | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: I mean it will be run against every patch in rally | 17:40 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: that's awesome | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: so we can ensure that we are not breaking anything related to your specific deployment | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so the only thing is that it requires hardware=) | 17:41 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: I'm thinking in the long-run we can integrate something like that | 17:42 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: right now, I just want to get numbers :) | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: sure sure=) | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: I mean just want to make sure that there is such opportunity | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: make sure that you know* | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 17:43 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: I think is possible, but I don't have control of those things | 17:43 |
| meteorfox | :) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: =) nobody has lol | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | #topic murano benchmarks | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets__: hey hey | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: any news? | 17:44 |
| rvasilets__ | Hi! | 17:44 |
| rvasilets__ | It's ready and you can review it. I have tested it a lot of time on devstack | 17:45 |
| rvasilets__ | I have nothing to add to it already=) | 17:45 |
| rvasilets__ | eom | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ok | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: amaretskiy you should review it as well ^ | 17:47 |
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| amaretskiy | ok | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | I didn't see too much reviews from you guys on that patch? | 17:48 |
| msdubov | boris-42, Yes, I was mostly concerned with other patches recently | 17:48 |
| amaretskiy | will be done :) | 17:48 |
| msdubov | boris-42, rvasilets__ Will make a review! | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | #topic Installing Rally in DevStack in venv | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | maybe we should install rally in vevn in devstack? | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | otherwise they may occur dependency issues | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: amaretskiy msdubov ^ | 17:50 |
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| amaretskiy | i like venv | 17:51 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42: imo, venv is better than some hacks with checking oslo.* versions | 17:51 |
| msdubov | boris-42, amaretskiy, andreykurilin_, Yes, and seems like this isn't going to be difficult | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | the only thing is that we will need to update read the docs | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | to tell the users to activate venv | 17:53 |
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| andreykurilin_ | also we should add ability to install rally in venv to install.sh script | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: there is already abbility | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: just pass -v | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin_ | hm... | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin_ | intresting:) | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: install_rally.sh -v | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: lol | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | btw I would like to rename it to --virtual | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | or --virutal-env | 17:55 |
| andreykurilin_ | yeah | 17:55 |
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| andreykurilin_ | because -v associated with --verbose | 17:56 |
| andreykurilin_ | for me | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | okay | 17:56 |
| amaretskiy | imho --virtual is confusing | 17:56 |
| amaretskiy | --venv or --virtualenv | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | --venv I think | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | sounds the best | 17:56 |
| msdubov | boris-42:agree | 17:56 |
| andreykurilin_ | we can support both options --ven and --virtualenv | 17:56 |
| andreykurilin_ | :) | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: ok | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | we should end meeting | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | so thank you guys | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin_ | :( | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: mreeee meetings? | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_: they took our time?) | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | So guys see you in rally chat | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: thank you for attempting meeting | 17:58 |
| andreykurilin_ | ok | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 17:58:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-02-17-17.04.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-02-17-17.04.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-02-17-17.04.log.html | 17:58 |
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| stevemar | keystone meeting starting -- pinging -- dolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, dims, dims__, | 17:59 |
| marekd | \o/ | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
| breton | \o | 17:59 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| lhcheng | \o | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | stevemar: hey | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Heyo | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 17:59 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 17:59 |
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| topol | o/ | 17:59 |
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| samueldmq | salut! | 17:59 |
| dstanek | o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | give it a few more seconds, let folks trickle in | 17:59 |
| ayoung | stevemar, you keep runnning these meetings and we'll make you PTO when morganfainberg has had enough. Beware. | 17:59 |
| stevemar | ayoung, don't scare me like that | 18:00 |
| marekd | ayoung: PTO == Project Team (?) ? | 18:00 |
| raildo | hahaha | 18:00 |
| stevemar | Overlord | 18:00 |
| raildo | Owner | 18:00 |
| marekd | :D | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | o/ somewhat here. | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ++ Overload | 18:00 |
| marekd | lord | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | alright, i think we have enough | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 18:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | #topic kilo targeted specs | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg brought this up, Specs Targeted for Kilo that have not been started / have significant progress by 2/24 are subject to being punted until Liberty | 18:01 |
| joesavak | o/ | 18:01 |
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| bernardo-silva | o/ | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | I tried to make a summary of the items here | 18:02 |
| stevemar | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-k3-blueprints | 18:02 |
| marekd | stevemar: Specs or implementation ? | 18:02 |
| stevemar | marekd, impl. | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, implementation | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | there are some that are not started (tokenless auth, domain config in sql) | 18:02 |
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| gyee | so who's working this weekend? | 18:03 |
| stevemar | and we have a lot of bps that have not yet landed, so the amount of reviewing will be compounded | 18:03 |
| atiwari | o/ | 18:03 |
| gyee | stevemar, tokenless review will be posted today | 18:03 |
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| gyee | today = before midnight PST | 18:03 |
| stevemar | why does no one ever want to punt stuff :) | 18:03 |
| henrynash | (oops, sorry I’m late) | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | this is just a heads up | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | if you want it to land in K, get it started | 18:04 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, you just need something that complies right :) | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | we have very little time left | 18:04 |
| marekd | stevemar: i think you skipped one, I will update etherpad, ok? | 18:04 |
| stevemar | ++ if it's a new feature that's going into K, have something up by 2/24 | 18:04 |
| stevemar | sure | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | real implementation (not just POC/strawman) by 2/24 | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | we're running out of time in k3 | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | and k3 is Feature Freeze | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg, did you want to talk about the next topic if we're done with this one? | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | no slipping things in past k3 (without extremely good reasons, and most of these specs can wait) | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, sure | 18:06 |
| ayoung | cut abfab. We've seen nothing from those folks | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | #topic liberty spec proposals | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | gyee, are you actively working on X509? | 18:06 |
| * ayoung too slow... | 18:06 | |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we're not specify specs we're cutting today, just warning people to get moving | 18:06 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yeah, it's just a matter of time time abfab is cut, and gyee said he'll have something up by tonight | 18:06 |
| ayoung | cool | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | anyway, Liberty specs will open once K3 is cut | 18:07 |
| gyee | ayoung, I am mentoring a fellow to get it implemented | 18:07 |
| dims__ | o/ | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | the idea is I want to avoid what is happening right now next cycle (PTL or not) | 18:07 |
| ayoung | OK...Liberty specs: just submit all specs to backlog first | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, the point i'm making is as of K3 you can start proposing them to be moved to the liberty target | 18:08 |
| ayoung | we'll promote something to a "lizardbreath" er "liberty" spec after it is approved for backlog | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | the goal is to avoid this "cram everything into milestone 3" effect we have going on now | 18:08 |
| stevemar | yeah, we'll make the necessary changes to specs, should be quick | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | I'm frankly worried about the quantity and i think the road to RC is going to be rocky this cycle | 18:09 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think you guys are starting to see the perspecive I developed about a year and a half ago: we really need to lead the summit come the close of M3 in order to be able to progress. | 18:09 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yeah, we are slow out of the gate for some reason | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think we're going to FF next cycle at milestone 2, spec freeze at milestone 1, so the summit really is almost ½ a cycle from when we start accepting specs being proposed against liberty target | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | but more on that once we hit milestone 3 this cycle. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | stevemar, well, I think we are getting more deliberate. Its frustrating, but also the sign of a mature-ish project | 18:10 |
| dstanek | this cycle may have been timing because of the holidays shortly after the summit | 18:10 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, exactly | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, its been that way every year, though | 18:10 |
| stevemar | ayoung, ++ | 18:11 |
| ayoung | December comes and suddenly....whooosh | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | nothing here is set in stone, just some thoughts - the only thing i'm aiming for is specs can be targeted before we hit the end of this cycle. | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | we also bumped the spec dates up this release | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ok thats it. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | M2 is starting at us. | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | maybe it will take a release to two to get used to it | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | we will probably hash this out at the summit | 18:11 |
| stevemar | #topic Reminder: Review Code | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, we will probably hash this out before we end this cycle ;) | 18:12 |
| ayoung | So...I think we are acually on a really good trajectory. We've had the specs out for a while...we can have spec approve push at the summit, with an eye to hitting the ground running afterwards | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | having a really dep backlog will help. Pre-approved specs that are ready for impl come the end of the bug fix cycle | 18:12 |
| stevemar | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | It's scary looking ^^ | 18:12 |
| stevemar | dolphm, and morganfainberg set up this gist, and it's getting to look scary | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | that is currently the reviews for "approved" specs. | 18:13 |
| stevemar | this is without stuff that hasn't been started, or (potentially) the AE (whatever it's named now) token spec | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | and osme of those haven't even been started or are missing large swaths of patches (50%+) | 18:13 |
| stevemar | so please please please rview | 18:13 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm wondering if we can punt on domain-as-project as a requirement for reseller | 18:13 |
| dolphm | how many of those should be marked WIP that aren't? | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that, while it would have been right from the get go, it will be easier to just work around it | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, any of those i marked were not abandoned, maybe 1 was WIP, and a couple were merge conflicted | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, but doesn't diminish priority | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, not as many as you would hope | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: well i want them all to be polished, ready-to-merge code | 18:15 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung, we have a sort of backlog to organize code implementation around reseller (using domais as project ofc) | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, raildo can talk to ou later :) | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dolphm, we all want that, but the only way there to get there is to review :) | 18:15 |
| raildo | ayoung: sure | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, the point is i think we need to punt things so we can get that list more sane. i made the list look awful on purpose to show how far behind we are based upon what is approved | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, raildo happy to talk after meeting on that. Let's get that one moving, cuz it is otherwise close | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, and not as many as you'd think were simple rebase away from being ready for review | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, ++ | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, most were/are reviewable :( | 18:16 |
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| raildo | ayoung: yes, we have few days, but I think that we can do that. | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | and the more people we have working on new things this week, the less reviews we have | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | we're behind is the point | 18:17 |
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| gyee | point taken | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | and we need to eliminate things from that list and from the approved spec list (most likely) | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | and we're more than a little bit behind | 18:18 |
| stevemar | anywho | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | #topic Reminder: Triage Bugs | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | #link http://keystone-weekly-bug-report.tempusfrangit.org/weekly-bug-reports/keystone-weekly-bug-report.html | 18:19 |
| ayoung | shoul we set a mentor for each major feature to get the first +2 in? | 18:19 |
| raildo | ayoung: ++ I like that idea. | 18:19 |
| ayoung | dangit I can't keep up | 18:19 |
| henrynash | stevemar: ok, so I recommend punting on the extra-disable bp idea….that can wait till L | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, ++ not bad idea | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: I don't know, that can deter other people from looking at it | 18:20 |
| gyee | ayoung, ++ for review czar | 18:20 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, easier to get people to look when it has a +2 | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | but not when other people still find issues with the code | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | what looks fine to one person might not look fine to everyone, | 18:20 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, also, it will help to ensure *someone* is looking at the code | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | but still better than having nobody looking at that code | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I'll take reseller | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, ++ | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | I'll also take websso portal | 18:21 |
| gyee | conflict of interest? | 18:21 |
| jacorob | ayoung: guess means what exactly you mean by “mentor” | 18:21 |
| ayoung | and mapping enhancements...all those are of interest to out group | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | I think we've established we're behind and need to review anyway | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | jacorob, someone that stays on the review until they are comforatble giving it a +2 | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | lets not say mentoring is required here. simply review. | 18:22 |
| bknudson | nova actually requires cores to sign up to review the changes for the bp. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | jacorob, prioritizion | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:22 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, not required. | 18:22 |
| amakarov | lbragstad: what can we do motivate people to -1 +2'ed CR's? | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, something we should probably consider once we're a bit less under water, right now limited mentoring is likely going to hurt us more imo. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov, it depends on the reason for the -1. | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | amakarov: not sure I understand the question | 18:23 |
| ayoung | Anyway.. I'll commit to staying on those 3. If you are an author on those...feel free to bug me | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, ++ you hit it there, let the author decide | 18:23 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg: if it is a reason of course :) | 18:23 |
| stevemar | if you are authoring a patch and feel the need for a review buddy speak now | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov, if its a real concern, -1. if it's a nit pick, please don't minus 1, at worst no-score with comments. | 18:23 |
| stevemar | or ping later on -keystone | 18:23 |
| raildo | ayoung: I appreciate that! | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: amakarov or propose a follow on patch fixing that you think needs to be fixed | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | OK...we ready to move on to bugs? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 18:24 |
| stevemar | yup! | 18:24 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg: I'm about the idea that +2'ed CR's attract attention | 18:24 |
| ayoung | looking... | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | bug list is looking better. | 18:24 |
| stevemar | #link http://keystone-weekly-bug-report.tempusfrangit.org/weekly-bug-reports/keystone-weekly-bug-report.html | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | it was really ugly last week | 18:25 |
| stevemar | just a handful of new bugs | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | a few more eyes will help keep it in check | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | we got behind around the holidays and didn't pick back up | 18:25 |
| ayoung | looking at 4. [Undecided:New] Bug #1421966 in Keystone: "Getting role for trust is double-protected" | 18:25 |
| openstack | bug 1421966 in Keystone "Getting role for trust is double-protected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421966 - Assigned to Lin Hua Cheng (lin-hua-cheng) | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | so, keep eyes open, if there is a bug in "new state" [even if it's prioritized], please take a gander and get it triaged. | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | the goal is to have bugs not in "new" and with a priority | 18:26 |
| gyee | double-protected? that security or what | 18:26 |
| stevemar | i'll need to look at the notification one | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, can everyone triage bugs? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | My kneejerk reaction, though, is that none of those would be stop ship-bugs, so lets focus on features until freeze | 18:26 |
| bknudson | I went through the policy.json to add comments, and found a few problems so opened bugs... | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: yes | 18:26 |
| bknudson | since I didn't have time to work on all of them. | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, triage the bugs, don't need to fix them | 18:26 |
| ayoung | deal | 18:26 |
| gyee | bknudson, double-protected is a special feature | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad, ok thx | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but triaging them early means if we need things fixed because they are major we can make sure we land that ASAP | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. the unicode issue w/ the mapping of ids | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | that was a major bug | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | and needed a backport to juno | 18:27 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yeah, i agree with you there, none appear to be stop ships, and we should focus on features, but as morganfainberg says, we should triage at least | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | it also gives people things to do when they get stuck on features and want to look at something else | 18:27 |
| stevemar | bored of keystone? try more keystone! | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | (after they've code reviewed) | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | >.> | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | on to the really important topics for the meeting | 18:28 |
| stevemar | yes, the one everyone is here for | 18:28 |
| stevemar | #topic SPFE for Keystone Lightweight Tokens | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130050/ | 18:29 |
| stevemar | It's time to vote on Keystone lightweight tokens, and wether or not we allow an exception for the code to land in Kilo. | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | said code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145317/ | 18:29 |
| gyee | AE got renamed to lightweight now? | 18:29 |
| stevemar | gyee, yep | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | yes... | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | we are signing or encryption | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, yes, it is a framework for tokens, and does not require encryption. | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | encrypting* | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | so people didn't want to have a specific name | 18:30 |
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| gyee | that's fine | 18:30 |
| stevemar | Supermajority vote will decide the outcome, so 8 / 12 spec-cores must vote yes. | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | functionality doesn't change | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | even if you're not a spec-core please feel free to vote. | 18:30 |
| stevemar | i think everyone is familiar with the spec - at least on a high level | 18:30 |
| bknudson | no filibustering. | 18:30 |
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| gyee | does keyczar scale? | 18:30 |
| stevemar | yes, thanks morganfainberg | 18:30 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: if we go with cryptography.fernet instead of python-keyczar, there's only a recipe for encryption afaik | 18:30 |
| stevemar | bknudson, no, not for this item, maybe next time | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | gyee: dolphm has a commit based on mine that doesn't rely on keyczar | 18:31 |
| topol | I vote for allowing an exception. | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | your votes will not be ignored, but if no one but cores votes it's a 8/12 spec core. | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, please use #vote | 18:31 |
| dolphm | so we'd have to implement our own signing if we go that way | 18:31 |
| stevemar | topol, wait for the actual vote to start! | 18:31 |
| stevemar | #startvote Allow Keystone lightweight tokens a SPFE? Yes or No. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Allow Keystone lightweight tokens a SPFE? Valid vote options are Yes, or, No, . | 18:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | so that means we'd have to roll our own signing | 18:31 |
| dolphm | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| bknudson | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| gyee | lbragstad, I wonder if it can scale horizontally or across regions | 18:31 |
| marekd | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| dstanek | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
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| henrynash | are teh marked experimet nal? | 18:31 |
| stevemar | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:31 |
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| amakarov | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| dolphm | someone please vote "or" | 18:31 |
| gyee | with a shared HMAC secet | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #vote or | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | gyee: that depends on how you use it | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | #bote yes | 18:31 |
| ayoung | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| anteaya | #vote or | 18:32 |
| gyee | yes | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, that can be a stipulation, i'm ok with that. | 18:32 |
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| gyee | #vote yes | 18:32 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya, ++ *hi5* | 18:32 |
| lhcheng | #vote Yes | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | #vote yes | 18:32 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:32 |
| topol | #vote Yes | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | gyee: if you're feeling ambitious you could write an interface to something that stores your keys and replicates them | 18:32 |
| breton | someone can vote . | 18:32 |
| breton | #vote . | 18:32 |
| openstack | breton: . is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, or, No, . | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | gyee: to sql or whatever. | 18:32 |
| henrynash | (provided this fucntionality is marked as experimenatl): #vite yes | 18:32 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:32 |
| henrynash | (provided this fucntionality is marked as experimenatl): #vote yes | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | breton, denied on the '.' vote | 18:33 |
| gyee | lbragstad, I was think barbican or some other KMS | 18:33 |
| stevemar | henrynash, nice touch | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, (you need to start the line with #vote) | 18:33 |
| stevemar | it should be started as experimental | 18:33 |
| atiwari | stevemar, what is this vote for? | 18:33 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:33 |
| atiwari | sorry I missed it | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | gyee: I checked with the barbican folks and they don't have something in place yet, but they said that we should go talk to them once we have a solid use case, | 18:33 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: like, secrets as a service? | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: right | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, allowinfg the exception for the AE token spec (renamed KLWT) | 18:33 |
| stevemar | atiwari, allowing keystone light weight tokens an exception to land in Kilo | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | there's something a bit recursive about relying on barbican from keystone | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, not the approval, just the allowed exception beyond the freeze | 18:34 |
| ayoung | atiwari, SPFE for the AE tokens | 18:34 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: import barbican as keystone_secrets | 18:34 |
| dolphm | done | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | meaning i remove my -2. | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | and lbragstad works to quickly solve all outstanding issues with the spec. | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | and then code | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | might I also suggest that we expedite approving the spec, with a caveat that we will allow corrections of a minor sort afterwards... | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, the goal is the spec should be approved within a couple days max | 18:35 |
| stevemar | atiwari, vote with #vote Yes or #vote No | 18:35 |
| atiwari | ayoung, morganfainberg IMO it is not ready for kilo | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | I don't want to spend time fixing little things with the spec | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | I'd rather work on the code | 18:35 |
| atiwari | #vote NO | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | atiwari the whole concept or just some implementation details | 18:35 |
| gyee | lbragstad, ++, its conceptually sound | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | i think that's everyone | 18:35 |
| stevemar | #endvote | 18:35 |
| openstack | Voted on "Allow Keystone lightweight tokens a SPFE?" Results are | 18:35 |
| openstack | Yes (15): gyee, lbragstad, ayoung, lhcheng, bknudson, topol, marekd, dstanek, dolphm, jamielennox, henrynash, amakarov, samueldmq, breton, stevemar | 18:35 |
| openstack | or (2): anteaya, morganfainberg | 18:35 |
| openstack | No (1): atiwari | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, this is a vote on concept / general direction. | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | ok so that shows a clear majority that the exception should be granted | 18:36 |
| stevemar | #agreed Keystone lightweight tokens will be granted an SPFE | 18:36 |
| atiwari | it is leaning toward HMAC signature | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, i'll remove my -2, please work to address the issues in the spec. | 18:36 |
| atiwari | correct | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, it is focused around that. | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: will do | 18:36 |
| ayoung | atiwari, I think we can build toward your concept for HMAC tokens based on this spec. We can discuss later. | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, but not exclusively | 18:36 |
| atiwari | and IMO it is proposing the weak signature | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | atiwari: you can still HMAC sign | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, you *will* HMAC sign in it's current form ;) | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah, we discussed that | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | anyway, so please do not -1 for nit-picky stuff | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | on that spec | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | please -1 for real concerns | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | and work with lbragstad to address them, the -2 will be lifted at the end of the meeting | 18:37 |
| gyee | lets do double-hmac for double-protection | 18:37 |
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| atiwari | morganfainberg, can we get more reviews on HMAC stuff? | 18:37 |
| ayoung | atiwari, so one thing this will give us, beyond the ephemeral tokens, is that we will start deploying a very succint token format. That alone is necessary for the HMAC proposal | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | atiwari, your spec or lbragstad's. your spec is proposed to backlog meaning earliest liberty, lbragstad's is currently prioritised for kilo. | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | atiwari, i think we can discuss how to make it work on both sides as we progress towards the next cycle. lbragstad's is a starting place and i expect to see enhancements next cycle to it / things built on top of it | 18:39 |
| ayoung | once we have this one deployed, we could then make use of the internal format for distributed token validation, ie. Your HMAC spec. We had discussed Id-only-tokens in the past, with a fetch-and-cache strategy for all the expanded data | 18:39 |
| stevemar | lbragstad and dolphm have a PoC (probably past PoC at time point) so that helps too | 18:39 |
| ayoung | so I see this as complementary, and even required, for the HMAC approach you wrote up. | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung,++ it compliments the HMAC spec, at worst is is the building blocks to get us there. | 18:40 |
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| atiwari | ok, ok | 18:41 |
| stevemar | and now another SPFE... | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #topic SPFE for Recursive Delete / Disable | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148730/ | 18:41 |
| samueldmq | raildo, ^ | 18:41 |
| raildo | We are proposing this spec, In there we detail how will work recursive deletion and disabling for projects (and domains), these changes would ease a lot the way operators handle deployments using projects/domains hierarchies, the implementation changes are not big and we believe it could easily land in Kilo if the spec was approved. | 18:41 |
| stevemar | i'll admit i didn't know this was up | 18:41 |
| bknudson | this one depends on another spec | 18:42 |
| stevemar | bknudson, yes, it seems to depend on the reseller one | 18:42 |
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| samueldmq | raildo, does it depends on reseller? | 18:42 |
| stevemar | raildo, does this one depend on the reseller code changes? | 18:42 |
| raildo | stevemar: yes | 18:42 |
| ayoung | if we grant it a SPFE, it just means that it *can* go into this release, not that it *must* right? | 18:43 |
| raildo | stevemar: no, this spec just depend the the reseller spec | 18:43 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, correct | 18:43 |
| raildo | but not the code | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | I think this one is safe | 18:43 |
| ayoung | it will fall into place fairly easilky once reseller is set | 18:43 |
| stevemar | ayoung, right | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it could be moved to liberty just like any other approved spec (or it may not get approved because it has issues) | 18:43 |
| ayoung | easily | 18:43 |
| ayoung | and we have significant portions of the code implemented, right raildo ? | 18:44 |
| raildo | ayoung: yes, we are finishing the migration implementation and using the project API to create a is_domain project | 18:44 |
| ayoung | any reasons to deny the extension? | 18:45 |
| raildo | I intend to send the patches tomorrow and update the other patch | 18:45 |
| stevemar | #startvote Allow recursive deletion and disabling for projects? Yes No | 18:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Allow recursive deletion and disabling for projects? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:45 |
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| raildo | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| marekd | #vote YES | 18:45 |
| stevemar | #vote Yes | 18:45 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| ayoung | #vote or | 18:46 |
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| openstack | ayoung: or is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | damn | 18:46 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| stevemar | ayoung, i learned this time! | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, stevemar learned | 18:46 |
| topol | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| dstanek | #vote Yes | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| * ayoung should have tried last vot | 18:46 | |
| amakarov | #vote , | 18:46 |
| openstack | amakarov: , is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | e | 18:46 |
| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov, hehe | 18:46 |
| amakarov | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| stevemar | okay, this one looks like a done deal | 18:46 |
| stevemar | #endvote | 18:46 |
| openstack | Voted on "Allow recursive deletion and disabling for projects?" Results are | 18:46 |
| openstack | Yes (13): gyee, dstanek, ayoung, morganfainberg, topol, marekd, samueldmq, jamielennox, amakarov, henrynash, raildo, breton, stevemar | 18:46 |
| gyee | spit and shake on it | 18:47 |
| stevemar | #agreed recursive delete will be granted an SPFE | 18:47 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, please lift your -2 | 18:47 |
| stevemar | alright cool stuff coming up! | 18:47 |
| stevemar | #topic Vancouver Summit Session Breakdown | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | There will once again be changes to the design summit, i think for the better. | 18:47 |
| raildo | :D | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | fishbowl sessions, which are similar to the usual design session, these have projectors and plenty of room 100-300 people | 18:47 |
| stevemar | working sessions, which are more board room style, meant to replace project pods, (20-40ppl sized) for hacking on stuff | 18:47 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg is aiming for 4 fishbowl and ~8 working sessions, leaving us time to wander over to talk to other projects | 18:48 |
| stevemar | i really like the idea of the working sessions, seems like a mini-meetup | 18:48 |
| ayoung | Hotels have been posted...reserve your rooms | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | we could easily go as high as 5 fishbowl, and 10 working | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | but i'd like to keep the numbers lower | 18:48 |
| ayoung | mini-me--etup | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | unless people feel like there is a real reason to ask for more spaces | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | i felt like paris summit we were a little light on topics so some stuff filled in (it worked) but this is a bit more structure | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | i'm also asking for a full-day meetup on friday (vs. the ½ day we got in paris) | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | in lieu of the more working sessions/fishbowls | 18:49 |
| stevemar | we usually have a few major topics that people want to talk about, thats what fishbowl is for | 18:49 |
| stevemar | ++ for full day | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | Schedule your flights out saturday morning so we actually get the whole day, please | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | so if we get full day on friday, 4 fishbowl / 8 working would be good. | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | Unless you are on the West coast, or doing a red eye, but stay through the finish line | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | and we will have plenty of "bug other projects / go to other fishbowls" | 18:50 |
| atiwari | morganfainberg, ayoung is it ok to implement a solution with "HMAC token" by kilo as an exception? | 18:50 |
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| marekd | stevemar: what are fishbowls by summit definition? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | atiwari, let's talk after this meeting...it depends on a few things | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | atiwari, i would be worried about any other SPFEs at this point. it's really late in the cycle | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, the same as our summit sessions we had in paris | 18:51 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: ok :=) | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | the short of it is that HMAC by itself won't heal the ills of PKI tokens. | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ok so i'm going to ask for 4/8 + full friday. | 18:51 |
| gyee | they are going to pump more oxygen into the rooms this time right? | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | and move that to 5/10 if we can't get the full day on friday | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | gyee, that fresh Candian Air, pumped down from Bampf | 18:52 |
| gyee | where were hardly room to stand at Paris | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, we knew that Paris was going to be crowded. Suspect Vancouver will not have the shortcoming. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ok lets give time for the last topic | 18:52 |
| stevemar | #topic Open Discussion | 18:53 |
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| gyee | ha | 18:53 |
| stevemar | #topic GSoC 2015 | 18:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "GSoC 2015 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:53 | |
| samueldmq | dims__, ^ | 18:53 |
| dims__ | We are looking for Project ideas and mentors for Google Summer of Code - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2015 | 18:53 |
| marekd | #yay GSOC! | 18:53 |
| * topol I hope I don't get stuck smuggling ketchup chip back in at the border | 18:53 | |
| ayoung | Dynamic Policy has many subspecs. Would suggest starting there | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, ++ | 18:54 |
| stevemar | topol, you must bring back all the goodies i mentioned on twitter | 18:54 |
| marekd | kicking ass auth plugins in keystoneclient | 18:54 |
| dims__ | thanks ayoung | 18:54 |
| ayoung | also, there are parallel efforts for a GsoC project from http://adam.younglogic.com/2014/10/who-can-sign-for-what/ | 18:54 |
| stevemar | marekd, ++ | 18:54 |
| dstanek | dims__: i've mentored before and i'd do it again if there was a need | 18:54 |
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| marekd | i mean, general framework for auth plugins. | 18:54 |
| dims__ | dstanek: mind if i add your name on a wiki? | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | I am a candidate to mentor a project, I will look into those ayoung ideas and then submit a couple of ideas that fit the gsoc schedule | 18:54 |
| stevemar | marekd, are you signing up for it? :) | 18:54 |
| dims__ | thanks samueldmq | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | that second one assumes PKI tokens, which is less of a viable option with AE. Would probably recommend the dynamic policy one to start | 18:54 |
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| jamielennox | marekd: what's missing? :) | 18:55 |
| marekd | stevemar: i would like to, but i am fearing i might not have time for that. Was just giving some ideas :( | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | marekd, fair enough! | 18:55 |
| dstanek | dims__: not at all | 18:55 |
| dims__ | marekd: we need ideas too, anything you can throw in the wiki link is appreciated | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dims__, I'm willing to as well, but I might have an intern this summer which would probably eat up my mentoring budget | 18:55 |
| dims__ | ayoung: ack, let's see how many people show up with security skills | 18:56 |
| dims__ | thanks everyone! | 18:56 |
| stevemar | dims__, thanks for reaching out | 18:56 |
| marekd | jamielennox: this very old idea where ou have complex auth plugin (say, SAML2 one), but would need to be able authN method between you and Identity PRovider (BasicAuth hardcoded today) | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | marekd: yea - we're getting there, missing some discovery on the server side yet | 18:57 |
| stevemar | anyone else have something they want to chat about, or we can end things a bit early? | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | stevemar, I have a bp for for no-spec require status | 18:57 |
| marekd | jamielennox: i think there is nothing to do with the server. | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/assignment-manager-cleanup | 18:57 |
| stevemar | samueldmq, liink? | 18:57 |
| marekd | you, the client must know what to use. | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | it's quite simple, to re-use list_role_assignemtns wherever possible inside the assingment manager | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | avoiding to replicate the code for inherited roles and grouping expansion | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | that leads to bugs sometimes | 18:58 |
| stevemar | samueldmq, i don't think we need a spec for this | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | the main goal is to reuse code | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | marekd: right, you need to know what's available - anyways | 18:58 |
| henrynash | I’ll make a quick pitch for some review of LDAP filtering (two patches, starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147551/)…pretty easy, and we can get that in quickly | 18:58 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar, great! that's my goal (no spec), do we need to vote? | 18:58 |
| stevemar | henrynash, i'll be glad to review it | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | others? | 18:58 |
| marekd | I think I will also have the student this summer | 18:58 |
| ayoung | henrynash, when you write those, add nkinder and richm to the reviews. They are the LDAP gurus | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq, i think just post the code and see if you can get someone to review it | 18:59 |
| ayoung | I'll look too, but I'd defer to them anyway | 18:59 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: ok, will do , thx | 18:59 |
| stevemar | samueldmq, but priority will go to the ones associated with specs | 18:59 |
| bknudson | why is priority given to bps with specs? | 18:59 |
| stevemar | samueldmq, since this is a cleanup, we may allow it to go in post feature freeze, but i don't see why it can't wait til L | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | stevemar, ok ack, henrynash will probably review it, it's related to the work that's going on the assignment backend | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | can someone kick this off: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150627/ - copy federation plugins over to the new repo | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | actually - marekd can do it now | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | marekd: this will make things quicker | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | stevemar, ok let's see how fast it goes (it's simple, nothing too complex) | 19:00 |
| marekd | jamielennox: looking | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | thnaks | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 19:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-02-17-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| stevemar | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-02-17-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-02-17-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | we should vacate so -infra can do their thing ;) | 19:00 |
| jeblair | howdy infra folks | 19:00 |
| fungi | thanks morganfainberg! | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | \o/ | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | \o/ | 19:01 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 19:01 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| amakarov | o/ | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | hi there | 19:01 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 19:01 |
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| morganfainberg | \_(^_^ | 19:01 |
| cebruns | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 19:01:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-02-10-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 19:02 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | i have two things i'd like to start off with... | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | first, a recap of the meeting format we're currently using | 19:02 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | in general, what we're trying to do here is make sure that things that need discussion get time here | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | the agenda is always open for people to add topics that they'd like to talk about, get agreement on, brainstorm on, just let people know about, etc... | 19:03 |
| jeblair | the other thing we do is identify some priority efforts | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | usually things that affect a large group; things we've identified (perhaps at summits) which affect the openstack project as a whole... | 19:04 |
| jeblair | and we identify individual changes that might be blocking those efforts that need high-priority review | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | one thing that i don't want this meeting to become is a place where we list individual changes that need review | 19:05 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | by my reckoning, there are usually a few hundred infra changes outstanding | 19:06 |
| fungi | for large values of "a few" | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | ya I have been trying to dig myself out of that hole recently. Its hard to make progress | 19:06 |
| jeblair | and part of the priority efforts is an attempt to deal with that by making sure that we don't sacrifice progress on efforts we feel are most important by getting swamped by the deluge | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | so anyway, please keep that in mind when you add things to the agenda | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #info meeting should be used for discussion and for identifying changes related to priority efforts | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #info please refrain from simply listing changes that you would like reviewed | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | the other announcement is much more fun | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #info pleia2 has been nominated for red hat's women in open source award | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #link http://www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source | 19:08 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:08 |
| yolanda | congrats! | 19:08 |
| nibalizer | woot woot | 19:08 |
| jeblair | pleia2: congratulations on your nomination! :) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | nice! congrats | 19:08 |
| mordred | congrats pleia2 ! | 19:08 |
| jesusaurus | awesome! | 19:08 |
| krtaylor | congrats! | 19:08 |
| fungi | i'll note that none of her competition lists as many years of open source experience either... she's a shoe-in! | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | fungi collapse image types | 19:09 |
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| fungi | it's in progress | 19:09 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think this is an ongoing thing...but you've definitely started! | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/156698 | 19:09 |
| fungi | i'm manually testing that on a held worker right now | 19:09 |
| fungi | it's still missing at least a few packages | 19:09 |
| fungi | but yeah, it's not going to be a quick transition | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | fungi: cool... we'll come back to that in a minute then. thanks. | 19:10 |
| fungi | we'll need to pilot it a little and then migrate somewhat piecemeal i think | 19:10 |
| fungi | yep | 19:10 |
| jeblair | jhesketh look into log copying times | 19:10 |
| jeblair | jhesketh move more jobs over | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | So more jobs over is here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:enable_swift,n,z | 19:10 |
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| jhesketh | But unfortunately I haven't looked into the copying times yet | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: I just got through those changes, -1 on the last one due to indexes not being right if you run the swift upload multiple times | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #action jhesketh look into log copying times | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh: but the others I am +2 on, approved the first but wanted more consensus we are ready for the other jobs | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: thanks | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | sdague look at devstack swift logs for usability | 19:11 |
| jeblair | sdague: did you have a chance to look at those? | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | The copying times probably requires looking into what the requests library is doing | 19:12 |
| fungi | if it gets opaque, sigmavirus24 is the requests maintainer and always very helpful | 19:12 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, they seemed to be roughly the same fetch times from what I saw | 19:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | hi | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | sdague gave me some feedback I've done here | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:swift_log_index_improvements,n,z | 19:12 |
| sdague | at least within margin of error | 19:13 |
| jeblair | sdague: and the index listing format, etc, was okay? | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | sigmavirus24: will probably ping you post meeting if that works to talk about requests | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | fungi: oh cool, thanks | 19:13 |
| sdague | jeblair: oh, I provided jhesketh with feedback | 19:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | clarkb: :thumbsup: | 19:13 |
| sdague | I haven't looked at those patches yet, will put that on my queue | 19:13 |
| jeblair | sdague, jhesketh: oh cool | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | zaro to chat with trove folks about review-dev db problems | 19:14 |
| jhesketh | Still need to decide how to do the help pages for logs | 19:14 |
| jeblair | zaro: i think we figured this out, right? | 19:14 |
| zaro | correct. | 19:14 |
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| fungi | since i upped the wait timeout on the review-dev instance, i haven't seen it recur | 19:14 |
| zaro | i believe its fixed as well, right fungi ? | 19:14 |
| zaro | i concur with fungi | 19:14 |
| fungi | however we still need to apply similar updates to other trove instances for consistency | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | the default timeout was set differently based on when our instances were created, and indeed, review-dev was set to a very low value | 19:15 |
| fungi | we can get into details as to what that entails after the meeting | 19:15 |
| jeblair | so we'll want to be cognizant of that in the future | 19:15 |
| jeblair | zaro, fungi: thanks! | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Specs | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | i took a quick look at the specs, and i think there are at least two we should look at and get merged soon | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #link openstack_project refactor https://review.openstack.org/137471 | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #link In tree third-party CI https://review.openstack.org/139745 | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | i think both will help us continue on the path to downstream reusability... thereby putting us all in the same boat and in a better position for collaboration | 19:17 |
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| * nibalizer agree | 19:17 | |
| clarkb | +1 | 19:17 |
| clarkb | will take a look at those today | 19:17 |
| fungi | on a related note, should the (formerly priority) puppet module split spec get moved to implemented? if so i'll whip up a quick change to take care of that | 19:17 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: +1 | 19:17 |
| mordred | (I was ++-ing jeblair - but also agree with fungi ) | 19:17 |
| nibalizer | fungi: yes.... i think there is one last thing in the storyboard let me check | 19:17 |
| fungi | nibalizer: oh, cool. we can dig in after the meeting in that case | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (New efforts?) | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | so our current priority efforts are: swift logs, nodepool dib, docs publishing (waiting on swift logs completion), and zanata | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i think we have room to add 2 or 3 more | 19:19 |
| mrmartin | jeblair: askbot? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | especially since swift logs is hopefully winding down | 19:19 |
| mrmartin | we are running without backup | 19:19 |
| anteaya | would the two new specs be candidates? | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | mrmartin: i think askbot is a good candidate due to the importance to the community, yeah | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i think so; i'd probably lump them together | 19:19 |
| mrmartin | the spec is in the review queue | 19:19 |
| anteaya | jeblair: makes sense | 19:20 |
| mrmartin | and the patches also | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | askbot and the puppet items make good candidates imo | 19:20 |
| mrmartin | but requires some effort from infra side, launch instance, migrate db. etc. | 19:20 |
| jeblair | fungi's work on images maybe too... | 19:20 |
| zaro | isn't gerrit upgrade in PE somewhere? | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | zaro that's a good one | 19:20 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, that's sort of taking on a life of its own outside of the dib work | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | fungi: jeblair though still very tightly coupled to the dib efforts | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | so, how about: add gerrit upgrade, askbot, and the puppet work; include image consolidation in the dib item? | 19:22 |
| anteaya | I can buy that | 19:22 |
| clarkb | sounds good to me | 19:22 |
| jhesketh | +1 | 19:22 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | #agreed new priority efforts: gerrit upgrade; askbot, third-party and openstack_project puppet efforts | 19:23 |
| nibalizer | +1 | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #agreed image consolidation to be included in nodepool dib effort | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | so i think we probably covered most of this in the actions section | 19:24 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:swift_log_index_improvements,n,z | 19:24 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:enable_swift,n,z | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | i'll just throw those in here for reference | 19:24 |
| jhesketh | Yeah I've got nothing else this week sorry | 19:24 |
| jeblair | np | 19:24 |
| jeblair | #topic #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:25 |
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| mordred | :) | 19:25 |
| mordred | I have verified image upload and launch to work on both clouds | 19:25 |
| mordred | at least on ubuntu | 19:26 |
| jeblair | mordred: is this with current or pending nodepool changes, or with shade? | 19:26 |
| mordred | with shade - yolanda has started hacking on my pending nodepool changes to get them finished up | 19:26 |
| clarkb | There are still a handful of nodepool bug fixes that have come out of the dib work up for review. I have added tests for nodepool commands too. Reviews would be great if only because less bugy nodepool makes the dibification less confusing | 19:26 |
| yolanda | yes, i wanted to raise a pair of questions | 19:26 |
| fungi | i'm hoping to finish banging out the package list later today and get an experimental job landed to run nova python27 unit tests on devstack-trusty nodes | 19:26 |
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| yolanda | so i was talking with mordred about some ensureKeypair method, jeblair, do you know more details about it? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | fungi: wow! | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | fungi: woot | 19:27 |
| fungi | well, i think what i have in wip is already close, just need to finish confirming the missing bits | 19:27 |
| clarkb | yolanda: can you expand for the rest of us? | 19:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: I was telling yolanda about our discussion around keypair management and realied that I had not written down good notes -so I think it might be worth the three of us syncing up on that topic again | 19:27 |
| mordred | clarkb: basically right now the logic for handling keypairs is in nodepool.py not provider_manager.py | 19:28 |
| jeblair | sure, i think the general thing is that nodepool should not require a pre-existing keypair | 19:28 |
| mordred | so in figuring out how to put an api in front of it similar to the one we use for floatingip | 19:28 |
| yolanda | so i moved that logic to provider manager, but i don't feel that's what we will need | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:28 |
| fungi | seems like a good improvement | 19:29 |
| jeblair | currently, it creates one per instance; i think it would be okay to create one and cache it, but then it would also need to keep track of it | 19:29 |
| clarkb | How does this interact with dib? | 19:29 |
| mordred | yup. also - it's entirely feasible that nodepool might not need to create one at all - if one considers the dib case | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (that can be done, it's just a bit more work) | 19:29 |
| fungi | would hopefully minimize future keypair leaks | 19:29 |
| mordred | where the keypair can quite happily be directly baked into the image | 19:30 |
| mordred | so the nodepool logic should almost certainly handle those deployment choices | 19:30 |
| jeblair | yeah, it may not be worth a lot of effort for us | 19:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: the only issue with that potentially is downstream ocnsumer of our images wouldn't have access to our private key(s) | 19:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: So, we do still need the otherthing | 19:30 |
| yolanda | right now, if we don't pass a key name, it generates one based on hostname, then adds it | 19:30 |
| yolanda | if image fails, it removes | 19:30 |
| mordred | clarkb: right. turns out dib already has an element which says "please inject the key from the user that built this image" | 19:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: yes but that doesn';t fix the issue for people taking our images that we prebuilt | 19:30 |
| mordred | clarkb: so there are ways we could chose to do that and still be friendly to downstreams | 19:31 |
| fungi | mordred: but if we publish our images, other people can't reuse them easily | 19:31 |
| mordred | clarkb: this is correct | 19:31 |
| jeblair | mordred: so if we do that wile running as "the nodepool/jenkins/whateverwewantocallit user" then we and downstream users should be set | 19:31 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes - other than the direct-binary-reconsumption thing | 19:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: not downstream users that consume the image directly | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I don't think we can have nodepool stop managing keys | 19:31 |
| jeblair | yeah, was responding to the earlier thing | 19:31 |
| clarkb | could be toggleable but the key management is still important | 19:32 |
| mordred | yes | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: it's important for snapshot images, yes | 19:32 |
| mordred | I totally think nodepool needs teh ability to manage keys | 19:32 |
| mordred | I'm just saying taht we may not choose to use that feature in our config - although we _might_ choose to use it | 19:32 |
| mordred | so nodepool needs to grok that someone can make a choice about that | 19:32 |
| jeblair | any other dib related things to talk about? | 19:33 |
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| yolanda | mm, related to the same work | 19:33 |
| yolanda | there is a missing feature for get capabilities | 19:33 |
| yolanda | this should be created in shade, right? | 19:33 |
| mordred | yes | 19:33 |
| clarkb | get capabilities? | 19:33 |
| mordred | if shade is missing a thing that nodepool needs, it shoudl be added | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: ask the cloud what its capabilities are | 19:33 |
| clarkb | I see, floating ips and so on for example? | 19:34 |
| yolanda | in nodepool there is some code that checks if cloud has os-floating-ips capabilities | 19:34 |
| yolanda | yep | 19:34 |
| mordred | right | 19:34 |
| mordred | HOWEVER | 19:34 |
| mordred | nodepool will stop doing that particular thing | 19:34 |
| mordred | since shade does the right thing in that case already | 19:34 |
| yolanda | i just removed that from nodepool directly | 19:35 |
| jeblair | yay | 19:35 |
| clarkb | also how is this related to dib? (I am trying to make sure I understand if these things are requirements or nice to have or whatever) | 19:35 |
| mordred | yah. but it's an excellent example | 19:35 |
| yolanda | but i wanted to ensure if that was really fine, or need some extra work on shade | 19:35 |
| mordred | clarkb: it's related to dib because the logic to deal with glance across clouds is in shade - and it's VERY ugly | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | mordred: specifically get capabilities thoug | 19:35 |
| clarkb | mordred: we don't need to accmodate capabilities today for dib or do we? | 19:36 |
| mordred | no- but we do need to deal with it in the shade patch | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I see | 19:36 |
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| mordred | so the question winds up being "add get capabilities support to shade" OR "remove need for it by adding logic to shade" | 19:36 |
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| asselin | o/ | 19:36 |
| mordred | I prefer the second, but the first could also work/be better | 19:36 |
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| yolanda | are there more use cases that need capabilities? | 19:37 |
| mordred | depending on scope/effort and how general the check is vs. specific to nodepool logic | 19:37 |
| mordred | yolanda: only other one I know of it keypair extension | 19:37 |
| jeblair | i think the end-state is that nodepool should not need it; it should all be in shade... | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | so if that's easy, go with that; if it makes something too big and complicated, then we can do it piecemeal | 19:37 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:37 |
| mordred | see, jeblair says things clearly | 19:37 |
| anteaya | mordred: he is a good translator for you, keep him close | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Migration to Zanata) | 19:38 |
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| mrmartin | I guess pleia2 is not here today, she uploaded a new patch, requires review / testing | 19:39 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147947/ | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Askbot migration) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | mrmartin: yeah, she's travelling for several speaking engagements at a couple of free software conferences | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/154061 | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | that's probably the first thing we ought to do -- review that spec :) | 19:40 |
| mrmartin | ok for askbot, I guess the tasks are clear, if anything comes up, let's discuss that. | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/140043 | 19:41 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/151912 | 19:41 |
| fungi | also i did update the https cert for the current non-infra-managed server and stuck it in hiera using the key names from the proposed system-config change | 19:41 |
| jeblair | and it looks like there's a solr module we can use without needing our own, which is good (i hope) | 19:42 |
| jeblair | fungi: thanks | 19:42 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Upgrading Gerrit) | 19:42 |
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| mrmartin | jeblair, yes with some limitation the solr works, I've tested | 19:42 |
| jeblair | so we set a date last week and sent an announcement | 19:42 |
| jeblair | for the trusty upgrade | 19:42 |
| jeblair | i believe we're planning on doing that first, and then upgrading gerrit to 2.9 later? | 19:43 |
| anteaya | 3rd party folks paying attention seem to know about the ip change coming up | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ya since 2.9 needs a package only available on trusty (or not available on precise) | 19:43 |
| zaro | so here are the changes for that : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+Gerrit-2.9-upgrade,n,z | 19:43 |
| zaro | that's for after moving to trusty | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: right, but specifically i meant not doing both at once | 19:43 |
| asselin | I added it to tomorrow's cinder meeting | 19:43 |
| anteaya | how much time to do we need between the os upgrade and the gerrit upgrade? | 19:44 |
| anteaya | asselin: cool | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | if we don't have a reason to wait, why would we wait? | 19:45 |
| asselin | will the server be up beforehand to test, and the swith made only on the date specified? | 19:45 |
| anteaya | asselin: yes | 19:45 |
| asselin | *switch | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | asselin: it will not be available to test | 19:46 |
| fungi | well, also part of the question is, does only doing the distro upgrade by itself shrink the window we need for the outage (including time needed to roll back if necessary) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | but yes, more important is that changing too many things at once makes it harder to untangle where a bug came from | 19:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: i don't... i think rollback is probably faster when doing a server switch | 19:46 |
| zaro | i can't seem to find the announcement, could someone please provide a link? | 19:46 |
| asselin | jeblair, it would be good for 3rd party folks to test our firewall settings, if there's "something" on the other end | 19:46 |
| asselin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 19:47 |
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| zaro | i agree with fungi, maybe we should wait a week between going to trusty then gerrit 2.9 ? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | so if folks don't want to do both at once, then we probably need to let it sit for at least a week or two before we attempt the gerrit upgrade | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | zaro: can you look at the schedule and propose a time for the gerrit upgrade during our next meeting? | 19:48 |
| zaro | will do | 19:49 |
| jeblair | #action zaro propose dates for gerrit 2.9 upgrade | 19:49 |
| fungi | zaro: also take the release schedule into account there | 19:49 |
| clarkb | last time we did this we separated OS from Gerrit upgrades. So that plan of action sounds good to me | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | thanks | 19:49 |
| jeblair | #topic supporting project-config new-repo reviews with some clarity (anteaya) | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/new-repo-reviewing-sanity-checks | 19:49 |
| anteaya | so I'm frustrated with my reviews on project-config | 19:50 |
| * asselin notes that users won't have access to new gerrit https during time between new os and gerrit upgrade | 19:50 | |
| jeblair | anteaya: agree that adding expectations to README in project is a good idea | 19:50 |
| anteaya | so I tried to capture some thoughts on this etherpad | 19:50 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: sofar I asked for a patch to governance - you want to have it merged first? | 19:50 |
| anteaya | that captures the essence of what I am feeling | 19:50 |
| anteaya | well the name is still in doubt as far as the tc is concerned | 19:51 |
| clarkb | also note that new project creation has a race | 19:51 |
| clarkb | so I haven't really been reviewing any of them | 19:51 |
| anteaya | yet is it a reality in git.o.o right now | 19:51 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, er, that should probably be the first thing we talk about in this meeting :( | 19:51 |
| jeblair | clarkb: let's defer that discussion though | 19:52 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any other thoughts? | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: my concern is if we make this so complicated reviewers and users won't want to touch it | 19:52 |
| anteaya | clarkb: fair enough | 19:52 |
| anteaya | I can' tbring myself to review project-config right now | 19:53 |
| clarkb | traditionally we haven't been stackforge police | 19:53 |
| fungi | if we go with governance patch being a prereq, then using depends-on crd in the commit message could ensure that even if we approve the new project it won't get created until teh tc approves the governance change (for official projects) | 19:53 |
| anteaya | since my concerns don't seem to be incorporated | 19:53 |
| AJaeger | fungi, I would be fine with that one | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | but using CRD for the governance change dep for openstack/ projects seems reasonable | 19:53 |
| jeblair | anteaya: your first point is regarding stackforge; i agree with clark, i'm not certain we should care | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | well actually it is the use of openstack names in stackforge | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | since once they are used there openstack losing the ability to say how they get used | 19:54 |
| jeblair | anteaya: the second point, yes, things that go into the openstack namespace should be part of an openstack project (for the moment at least) | 19:54 |
| anteaya | since as you say, we don't care | 19:54 |
| fungi | which as i pointed out in the earlier discussion, there are lots of existing cases of project names in stackforge repo names | 19:55 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i feel like in many cases those may be nominative... like "neutron-foo" is the foo for neutron; hard to describe it otherwise... | 19:55 |
| fungi | especially for the config management projects in stackforge | 19:55 |
| anteaya | networking-foo is what neutron has been using | 19:55 |
| jeblair | anteaya: at your suggestion? | 19:55 |
| anteaya | when they have reviewed patches that condcern the name use | 19:55 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:55 |
| anteaya | since they agreed with my point | 19:56 |
| anteaya | about losing the ability to use the name for themselves | 19:56 |
| jeblair | i'm not certain that i agree that all uses of the word neutron in a project name are incorrect | 19:56 |
| anteaya | and determine its value by their actions | 19:56 |
| fungi | when they go from stackforge to openstack as big-tent projects/teams should they also rename themselves from stackforge/networking-foo to openstack/neutron-foo? | 19:56 |
| mordred | yeah - but I tend to agree with jeblair - stackforge/puppet-neutron, for instance, I do not think needs any blessing from anyone - it is descriptive, it is puppet modules to deploy neutron | 19:56 |
| mordred | I don't think we need to police that | 19:56 |
| anteaya | config repos are different from driver repos | 19:56 |
| anteaya | to me | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | also the ammonut of work to change puppet-neutron to anything else is nontrivial | 19:57 |
| fungi | that's hard to write a policy around though | 19:57 |
| anteaya | but all I am aksing for is for someone from the project to weigh in | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | it seems even weirder that a neutron driver wouldn't use neutron in the name | 19:57 |
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| mordred | I can see that - but I don't think it's an area where we want to have an opinion, and should really only have one if we need to | 19:57 |
| fungi | "this is bad, except sometimes it's not" is a reviewing policy nightmare | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i feel like policing stackforge project names is deep, deep bikeshed | 19:58 |
| anteaya | but all I am aksing for is for someone from the project to weigh in | 19:58 |
| jeblair | anteaya: you have been asking them to change names | 19:58 |
| anteaya | yes I have been | 19:58 |
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| mordred | anteaya: I think that implies that someone from the project has the right to an opinion | 19:58 |
| jeblair | you even suggest that in your point in the etherpad | 19:58 |
| anteaya | and at this point I am asking for someone from the project to weigh in on a patch that uses the project name | 19:59 |
| mordred | that is some how more valid than someone else's | 19:59 |
| anteaya | is that not the point? | 19:59 |
| anteaya | what else is the point of the name | 19:59 |
| mordred | and I'm not sure I agree that is the case - as it puts people into a position to make a value judgement potentially unnecssarily | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | the ptl of the projcet probably has plenty of things to worry about, and so when we say 'hey need input' they're gonna say 'link to policy doc plz?' and then the problem is right back on us | 19:59 |
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| aplawson | Hi folks, just watching the flow of thing, first time IRC to anything OpenStack. p ) | 20:00 |
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| mordred | specifically, it's a potential point for corruption and abuse - if someone doesn't like ewindisch, they might be more inclinded to say "I don't think nova-docker should get to use nova in its name"- when at the end of the day, it is a docker driver for nova | 20:00 |
| anteaya | I see it as abuse the other way | 20:00 |
| mordred | and that is merely a factual statement. now - if it was a request for openstack/nova-docker | 20:00 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: also once you publish software, I'm basically entitiled to write puppet-<sofwtarename> thats kindof not your call if i do it or not | 20:00 |
| nibalizer | does that make sense? | 20:01 |
| mordred | then it implies a level of credibility related to openstack/nova and I would tehn think that the nova-ptl should be involved | 20:01 |
| anteaya | how do we do that after the fact | 20:01 |
| anteaya | as we have agreed stackforge can do whatever they want | 20:01 |
| fungi | keep in mind that stackforge is just one of many, many hosting options for a free software project. if projectname-foo wants to register its name on github, pypi, rtfd, et cetera we have no control there | 20:02 |
| mordred | yup | 20:02 |
| anteaya | correct | 20:02 |
| anteaya | yet there is a feeling of attachment to openstack via stackforge | 20:02 |
| fungi | so exercising that control over stackforge seems counter-productive | 20:02 |
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| AJaeger | It would be nice to have some guidelines, e.g. on how to name drivers for nova like nova-docker or plugins for neutron like networking-midonet | 20:03 |
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| AJaeger | to have similiarities | 20:03 |
| anteaya | I think naming things only has value if the name means something | 20:03 |
| anteaya | and the value can easily degrade | 20:03 |
| mordred | yeah - I hear that - but stackforge is very explicitly not the place for that | 20:03 |
| fungi | for example, turbo-hipster? | 20:03 |
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| anteaya | right | 20:03 |
| mordred | like, it exists to be a place that does not have a governance opinion | 20:04 |
| anteaya | right | 20:04 |
| anteaya | which is why I feel the way I do | 20:04 |
| mordred | we don't want to make a secondary policy board for stackforge that governs choices people make there | 20:04 |
| nibalizer | there will always be exceptions to any naming pegegree, places where something doesn't fit or is covered by two rules | 20:04 |
| AJaeger | let me take the action to add information about CRD on governance patch to the infra-manual. ok? | 20:04 |
| anteaya | if I am the only one, that is fine | 20:04 |
| anteaya | move ahead | 20:04 |
| fungi | oh, we're way over time too. sdague wasn't going to do a tc meeting today, correct? | 20:04 |
| anteaya | I said what I feel | 20:04 |
| sdague | fyi, for anyone looking for the TC meeting, it is cancelled today. | 20:04 |
| sdague | fungi: correct, cancelled, just wanted to make sure no one was hanging out waiting for it | 20:04 |
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| fungi | sdague: well, i was, but... | 20:05 |
| sdague | you guys can keep the channel | 20:05 |
| clarkb | #action AJaeger update infra manual with info on setting up depends on for CRD between new openstack/* project changes and the governance change accepting that project | 20:05 |
| jeblair | and yeah, i thought a few extra minutes would be helpful here | 20:05 |
| fungi | agreed | 20:05 |
| clarkb | sorry if I jumped the gun on the CRD thing but it seemed like we had consensus on that point | 20:05 |
| jeblair | i think so | 20:05 |
| fungi | i think we're in a good place to continue this in a change review | 20:05 |
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| fungi | thanks AJaeger | 20:06 |
| jeblair | sorry we didn't get to the other items on the agenda | 20:06 |
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| jeblair | they'll be up first after priority efforts next time | 20:06 |
| jeblair | but if you're curious, there are some links in today's agenda if you want to explore on your own | 20:06 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 20:06 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 20:06:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-02-17-19.01.html | 20:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-02-17-19.01.txt | 20:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-02-17-19.01.log.html | 20:07 |
| * jeblair edits agenda | 20:07 | |
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| jeblair | and a reminder -- the TC meeting is canceled this week | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 21:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | ttx wasn't sure he would have steady internet today, so he asked me to chair the meeting this week in his place | 21:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for mikal notmyname nikhil_k morganfainberg david-lyle mestery thingee | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for eglynn asalkeld SlickNik devananda jeblair annegentle mtreinish | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for SpamapS ttx flaper87 SergeyLukjanov redrobot kiall bswartz | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the crossproject meeting? | 21:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 21:00 |
| morganfainberg | \_(^_^ | 21:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:00 |
| bswartz | o/ | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | nice turnout | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | Our agenda: | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| * bknudson is also at mid-cycle | 21:01 | |
| dhellmann | first a quick announcement | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic stable/icehouse freeze | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #info we will be freezing stable/icehouse on Thu Feb 19 for the 2014.1.4 release | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Ficehouse_releases | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | keep that in mind as you are reviewing backports in your projects | 21:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | is anyone from the stable team here? are you all blocked on anything for that release? | 21:01 |
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| * dhellmann guesses not | 21:02 | |
| dhellmann | we have one main topic this week | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Testing Guidelines | 21:02 |
| adam_g | o/ | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing Guidelines (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:02 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150653/ | 21:02 |
| eglynn | belated o/ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | This is sdague's spec describing guidelines derived from our experience as a project with CI. | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'll yield the floor to you to give more detail | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: I don't think glance has at least anything blocking | 21:02 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure, thanks | 21:02 |
| sdague | so what's up there is an early draft, lots of good comments in there which need to be integrated | 21:03 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | it looks like jeblair's feedback will make it into the next draft? | 21:04 |
| sdague | the inspiration for this was what seemed like a lack of common framework to talk about testing in the project, as people have different levels of experience with it in general, and specifically in our project | 21:04 |
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| sdague | yeh, jeblair provided a lot of good context material in the last review round | 21:04 |
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| sdague | that made me realize I think we need more of that, plus some pictures to visualize what "functional testing" means when we say it | 21:04 |
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| * morganfainberg needs to sit down and re-read + the comments on the spec | 21:04 | |
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| sdague | we seem to have taxonomy challenges at times | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, it seemed like the other comments were more focused on wording or suggestions within the text, and those were a big broader in scope | 21:05 |
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| sdague | yeh, so I guess a couple of things for the cross project ask | 21:05 |
| sdague | 1) do we believe this kind of spec doc will be helpful for the project going forward | 21:05 |
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| sdague | 2) are there other big ideas in here that got missed? | 21:06 |
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| sdague | 3) is my TODO list at the end seem good enough for what should change to get us to a landable state? (assuming point #1) | 21:06 |
| ttx | 1) yes | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | on point 1, I am generally in favor of writing things down. I think doing that here in the specs repo is better than the wiki for "policy" items (versus how-tos) because it gives everyone a chance to provide the review feedback | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | on point 2, I think you have the big items, though I am sure we will amend and revise this over time | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | on the todo list, does tempest already support running only a subset of tests as described? | 21:08 |
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| bknudson | I thought all projects were expected to integrate functional testing (e.g., keystone, python-keystoneclient) | 21:08 |
| jroll | sdague: 1) yes, defining our goals is extremely valuable. I think people are unaware of where we want to be in the future with testing. | 21:08 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yes, by TODO list I actually meant my final "review" | 21:08 |
| eglynn | bknudson: the so-called in-tree func tests, right? | 21:08 |
| sdague | as in the changes to the doc I think are needed | 21:08 |
| bknudson | eglynn: yes, we've been working on it. | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ah, got it | 21:09 |
| sdague | but tempest does support the subset | 21:09 |
| sdague | yeh, I think this is one of those places where we said some words at summits, lots of teams are heading in these directions, some feel more comfortable with it than others | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 21:09 |
| sdague | and hopefully this provides a baseline to reference | 21:09 |
| eglynn | bknudson: seems to be covered by the concept of "co-gating units" in the spec? | 21:09 |
| jeblair | o/ | 21:09 |
| jokke_ | sdague: regarding your todo, I totally agree with your fear for bikeshedding if we start picking up examples | 21:10 |
| eglynn | bknudson: i.e. the special case of a project "co-gating" just with itself ("keystone ... runs only keystone") | 21:10 |
| bknudson | eglynn: yes, the testing spec here makes it clearer what we need to cover with our in-tree functional tests. | 21:11 |
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| sdague | bknudson: that makes me very happy to hear :) | 21:11 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:11 |
| sdague | as that was my goal | 21:11 |
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| sdague | so... I'll plan to do the next draft later this week, please provide other comments in the meanwhile. | 21:12 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I expect that some of the implementation of this will run into liberty. Is that your expectation as well? | 21:13 |
| sdague | once this is in some acceptable state, I'm going to propose a similar thing for "theory of upgrade" based on what we've heard from ops, as well as the grenade experiences. Hopefully, again to have a baseline for what projects need to think about for being upgrade friendly | 21:13 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 21:13 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah on the subset bit tempest supports it, we might miss a few tests depending on the service filter, but that's a bug which is simple to fix | 21:13 |
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| jroll | dhellmann: I would agree with that, this is a ton of work to do in a month | 21:13 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I think a bunch of the test disagregation may be able to happen during kilo | 21:13 |
| jroll | we can certainly make good progress in kilo | 21:14 |
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| dhellmann | adding the functional tests to projects is likely to take some time | 21:14 |
| jroll | but projects are also slamming home features etc and that gets distracting | 21:14 |
| sdague | dhellmann: agreed | 21:14 |
| sdague | and will be an ongoing thing | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, just making sure my expectations matched yours | 21:14 |
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| sdague | in reality we probably should have a show & tell session in vancouver on project functional testing and what people are doing and what's working out well | 21:15 |
| sdague | like the specs one we had in paris | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 21:15 |
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| jroll | +1 | 21:16 |
| jroll | a small functional testing framework could be nice too | 21:16 |
| jroll | I expect one will come out of this at any rate | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: what's the one you're using in ceilometer? | 21:16 |
| sdague | dhellmann: you mean gabbi, that cdent is building? | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | sdague: that's the one | 21:17 |
| sdague | yeh, that looks pretty neat | 21:17 |
| eglynn | sdague: gabbi is only for declarative API tests | 21:17 |
| sdague | yep | 21:17 |
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| eglynn | i.e. not a fully general-purpose func testing framework | 21:17 |
| eglynn | but very nice at what it does :) | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | does it plug in to the existing test runner? | 21:18 |
| jokke_ | glance has pretty well covered in-tree functional testing ... noting fancy just straight forward | 21:18 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, that's one of the options ... it's quiet flexible | 21:18 |
| sdague | ok, so we're probably starting to drift from the review a bit :) | 21:18 |
| sdague | so I'd say, please provide more feedback over the next couple of days, I'll start my new draft on thur/fri | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | does anyone want to highlight any comments already made, or ask questions about the content? | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | ok, if that's it then, let's move on | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | #topic GSoC 2015 | 21:21 |
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| dhellmann | It's that time again. We need Project Ideas and Mentors for Google Summer of Code participants for this year. | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2015 | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | Talk to dims or one of the other mentors about project ideas | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | keep in mind the time-frame for when students are available might not match up exactly with the release cycle | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | also, the project needs to be pretty well defined, but the mentors will be able to help turn ideas into project plans | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | questions? | 21:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: what are the deadlines ? | 21:23 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: great question, and I don't see it there on the wiki page | 21:23 |
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| dhellmann | dims__: do you know the deadlines for gsoc? | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | I'll get him to update the wiki page | 21:24 |
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| ttx | yes, that would help to get how urgent this is. | 21:24 |
| dims__ | dhellmann: yes, there's time - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 | 21:24 |
| ttx | I think this time around we are not too late | 21:25 |
| dims__ | right ttx | 21:25 |
| vkmc | hey :) | 21:25 |
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| dims__ | hey vkmc | 21:25 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: what is the scope? (Like something one person can do in couple of months, something that team of five can do in couple of months, etc.) | 21:25 |
| ttx | Feb 20 Mentoring org application deadline | 21:25 |
| vkmc | hopefully we are not... we have many students interested | 21:25 |
| dims__ | we are on #openstack-gsoc if you want to continue conversations later | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | dims__, vkmc : do one of you want to answer jokke_ ? | 21:25 |
| ttx | that leaves 3 days to make a decision ? | 21:25 |
| dims__ | jokke_: anything that can be done in one summer | 21:26 |
| dims__ | one person | 21:26 |
| vkmc | jokke_, its expected that the student can finish the task during the internship | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 21:26 |
| vkmc | jokke_, but there are cases in where many students kept working afterwards anyway | 21:26 |
| dims__ | ttx: that's just for the org | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | so one person 2-3months ... check | 21:26 |
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| ttx | dims__: but you need mentors to sign up before so that you'e sure you have enough to run it, right ? | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | for oslo we talked about the fact that graduating some of the incubated code might be too tricky for a newcomer to handle, but there will be some logging related features that we might be able to get them to work on | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | the goal is to find a useful task that isn't just busy work and will improve the project | 21:28 |
| dims__ | ttx: we don't know how many slots we'll get from google, am sure we can fill them based on what we saw last year | 21:28 |
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| ttx | dims__: ack | 21:28 |
| vkmc | dhellmann, that sounds really good | 21:28 |
| dims__ | dhellmann: +1 | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure if the logging stuff by itself is "big" enough, so we'll have to see | 21:29 |
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| ttx | random idea -- Google recently opensourced a cloud benchmark suite, would be awesome if that supported openstack | 21:29 |
| jokke_ | +++ | 21:29 |
| dims__ | ttx: awesome, i'll dig it up and add to wiki | 21:29 |
| ttx | (they currently support aws and GCE | 21:29 |
| ttx | and Azure i think) | 21:29 |
| ttx | dims__: it's arguably not an openstack thing though | 21:29 |
| vkmc | ttx, +1 | 21:29 |
| ttx | it's more contribution to the whatveer-it-s-named Goggle project | 21:30 |
| thingee | dhellmann: I think we've done fine in the past with gathering project ideas for the gnome outreach. might be the same here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen/Ideas | 21:30 |
| dims__ | ttx: good point | 21:30 |
| ttx | dims__: I guess we need to wait and see if google files that project for GSoC | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | thingee: good cross-over | 21:30 |
| ttx | thingee: you mean "outreachy" :) | 21:31 |
| dims__ | thanks for the time everyone, feel free to hop onto #openstack-gsoc | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | dims__: thanks! | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | that's all we have on the formal agenda for today | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to raise this week? | 21:32 |
| morganfainberg | I'd just like continued feedback on the no db schema downgrades | 21:32 |
| morganfainberg | i've updated the spec to address comments | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/ | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | whoopse | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152337/ | 21:33 |
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| dhellmann | there are several other specs up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Fopenstack-specs+is:open,n,z | 21:34 |
| ttx | NB: The TC will rubberstamp the CLI sorting args one next Tuesday | 21:34 |
| ttx | so last days to disagree | 21:35 |
| sdague | the eventlet one seems weird for this repo - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154642/ | 21:35 |
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| ttx | sdague: it's a bit weird yes -- sounds like it could be a blog post :) | 21:35 |
| ttx | but the, a specs is easie rto reference and update | 21:36 |
| sdague | yeh, or dev docs somewhere | 21:36 |
| jokke_ | I'd like to have quick poll around ... I threw an e-mail to the list last week regarding retiring commits from review similar way as Nova is doing that seemed to get quite mixed opinions. Any other project doing that? | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | sdague: we don't really have a good place for cross-project dev docs yet | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: "retiring commits"? | 21:36 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: should the todo then be working towards that instead of overloading this repo? | 21:36 |
| sdague | dhellmann: abandoning them | 21:37 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: abandoning commits where nothing has happened for long time | 21:37 |
| bswartz | the system used to auto-abandon after 2 weeks -- why did it stop doing that? | 21:37 |
| sdague | jokke_: in fairness, the nova policy includes 2 stuck conditions for why we think the commit is likely dead, it's not just old commits | 21:37 |
| eglynn | bswartz: only if it had a negative vote already? | 21:38 |
| jokke_ | sdague: care to enlighten? | 21:38 |
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| bswartz | oh, perhaps | 21:38 |
| thingee | eglynn, bswartz: no I do clean up on patches, and it does not auto abandon even if there are negative votes. | 21:38 |
| sdague | jokke_: so if it has a Code-Review<=-2 and is more than 4 weeks old | 21:38 |
| sdague | which means a core reviewer has blocked it | 21:38 |
| notmyname | in swift we abandon old patches | 21:39 |
| sdague | so that's not coming back without a conversation that's apparently not happening | 21:39 |
| thingee | notmyname: yeah I just do them when I remember if they're older than a month with no activity. | 21:39 |
| sdague | or if jenkins is -1, and again the commit is > 4 weeks without *any* activity | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | we send an email after a 4 weeks of no activity after a negative review. then we add it to an "abandon" queue two weeks after the email is sent if there's still no activity | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: do you track that manually? | 21:40 |
| sdague | sorry, in the first case it's 4 weeks no activity as well. And no activity, means nothing | 21:40 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: nope. one of our cores built the tool to do the emails and the list. (http://abandoner.oliver.net.au/abandoned_changes.html) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: so on that, right now, there's 2 that need to be abandoned | 21:40 |
| notmyname | and the abandoning is only done by hand. normally by me | 21:40 |
| jokke_ | sdague: so what I proposed was quite similar as in >4 weeks old, - review (even from jenkins) and try to establish communication to get it moving | 21:41 |
| sdague | jokke_: yeh, the nova one is an automatic sweep, but leaves a comment about why it was abandoned and what the person should do to get the patch rolling again | 21:41 |
| jokke_ | and yes I do agree that it needs to happen by hand to be smart ... logic like that would be bad to automate fully | 21:41 |
| jokke_ | sdague: ok | 21:42 |
| sdague | honestly, in looking at the restores, I think a lot of contributors don't realize that a jenkins -1 bit of code won't get reviewed | 21:42 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: this thread? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056829.html | 21:42 |
| jokke_ | because I think it would be beneficial to not have them in the review for a year ... the objections seemed to be on the line "But we might hurt someones feelings if we abandon their patch after weeks of no response" | 21:43 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: that's the one | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | ok. as sdague and notmyname have pointed out, I think the thing to be sure of is that it's the submitter who hasn't responded -- and not abandon patches just because they haven't been reviewed | 21:43 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: definitely .... that was the intention | 21:44 |
| dhellmann | the timelines mentioned, several weeks, seem reasonable as well | 21:44 |
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| jokke_ | my proposal was 5-10 days after reaching out for response, but I'm more than happy to adobt that 2 weeks | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: well, the other times mentioned for nova and swift were 4 weeks | 21:46 |
| jokke_ | is this something we want to establish common guide across the projects (if it's wanted to be done) or keep doing it as feel suitable per project workflow? | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | 4 weeks until we send an alert to the owner. then 2 more until we abandon it | 21:47 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: 4 weeks + 2 weeks after reaching out I think was swift | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: thanks for clarifying, I missed that extra 2 weeks | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | I think it's OK to let projects decide this on their own. If it becomes a real problem, we can revisit | 21:47 |
| jokke_ | thanks for your input. I'll take it back to glance meeting at thu | 21:47 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good | 21:49 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else for this week? | 21:49 |
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| dhellmann | if no one objects, we can close the meeting a few minutes early, then | 21:50 |
| * SpamapS just now got courtesy ping | 21:50 | |
| Rockyg | ++ | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | did anybody have questions for me? | 21:50 |
| dhellmann | SpamapS: it was very courteous, and waited until you weren't busy | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | very courteous | 21:51 |
| SpamapS | otherwise I have nothing to add and I'm always +1 to shorter meetings | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | I don't think there was anything for you, so far | 21:51 |
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| dhellmann | thank you all for coming, enjoy your 8 minutes of freedom! | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 21:52:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-02-17-21.00.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-02-17-21.00.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-02-17-21.00.log.html | 21:52 |
| jokke_ | thnks | 21:52 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 21:52 |
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