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| Loquacities | hi everyone! | 01:00 |
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| Loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 01:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 01:00 |
| Loquacities | roll call: who's here? | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | me | 01:00 |
| darrenc | me | 01:00 |
| adahms | Here | 01:00 |
| asettle | yo | 01:00 |
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| furface | same | 01:00 |
| suyog | present! | 01:01 |
| bmoss | hi everybody | 01:01 |
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| Loquacities | woohoo! i think we have quorum! \o/ | 01:01 |
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| Loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 01:01 |
| dnavale | hello | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:01 | |
| Loquacities | loquacities to email about the meeting time | 01:01 |
| Loquacities | i've done this, and the only people who replied voted for two hours earlier, so that's happened | 01:01 |
| Loquacities | adahms_ to investigate a f2f meeting at red hat in brisbane on 4 march | 01:02 |
| Loquacities | adahms: how'd you go on that? | 01:02 |
| adahms | Yep, I've asked around to see what might be possible | 01:02 |
| darrenc | rromans: merged | 01:02 |
| adahms | Unfortunately, I think it might be difficult for us to host on that day | 01:02 |
| Loquacities | ah ok | 01:02 |
| adahms | If you are able to host somewhere, we could possibly meet up though | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | i've got this listed as a separate agenda item, so let's circle back to that and see if we can pick a different day (or a different place) | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | asettle to investigate arch guide as a project for a docs swarm | 01:03 |
| adahms | Roger that | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | asettle: progress? | 01:03 |
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| asettle | Loquacities, still organising feedback loop. Might be a while before we're actually able to do something about this. | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | ok, let's leave that as an action for next meeting, then | 01:03 |
| asettle | Waiting on feedback from one reviewer... and then I think we can make some more potential progress on turning this into a thing | 01:04 |
| Loquacities | #action asettle to investigate arch guide as a project for a docs swarm | 01:04 |
| asettle | I'll be checking up on that reviewer this week | 01:04 |
| Loquacities | excellent, thanks for chasing that for us :) | 01:04 |
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| Loquacities | bmoss to investigate docs swarm potential dates/locations | 01:04 |
| Loquacities | bmoss: i know you have news here ;) | 01:04 |
| bmoss | yep. It looks likely that Red Hat can host again. The sooner we pick dates the sooner I can book us a room. | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | awesome, thanks | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | we'll circle back to this topic, too | 01:05 |
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| Loquacities | #topic APAC docs meeting F2F | 01:05 |
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| Loquacities | ok, so it looks like 4 march won't work | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | we either need a different location, or a different date | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | sadly, i'm not certain where else we could do this | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | rackspace (sadly) doesn't have office space in brisbane | 01:06 |
| suyog | Loquacities, Any chance of taking us all to Rackspace Sydney office? :) | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | adahms: could we consider asking for a different date for red hat? | 01:06 |
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| asettle | suyog, reckon there's a chance RH will pay for flights? HA | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | suyog: haha ... depends if RH are paying ;) | 01:06 |
| adahms | Possibly - I can look into it | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | asettle: snap :P | 01:07 |
| suyog | :P | 01:07 |
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| adahms | I am wondering - is there a need for this to coincide with the meeting, or can we have a more informal meetup at the morning pancakes, for example? | 01:07 |
| asettle | I always miss morning pancakes :| | 01:07 |
| Loquacities | adahms: ok, i'm not fixed on a date, really, it was just a stick in the sand, so let's see if we can get RH to host another time, and if that fails i'll put some effort into finding a different venue | 01:07 |
| asettle | It's like, it just floats by me | 01:07 |
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| Loquacities | adahms: pancakes is a really a personal event | 01:07 |
| Loquacities | i don't think i want to bring work into it | 01:08 |
| adahms | Hmm, hmm | 01:08 |
| bmoss | How many people would be expected to attend the F2F? | 01:08 |
| adahms | Understood | 01:08 |
| Loquacities | we could, however, have a more informal event somewhere, sure | 01:08 |
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| Loquacities | probably just the regulars from this meeting (who are located in BNE, anyway) | 01:08 |
| Loquacities | probably <10 | 01:08 |
| Loquacities | so a cafe or something could be an option | 01:08 |
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| Loquacities | especially if we're just making it a social event, rather than a formal meeting | 01:08 |
| bmoss | Ok. That might help with finding a venue. Is the RH blocker merely room availability adahms? | 01:09 |
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| adahms | Pretty much | 01:09 |
| asettle | Meeting in the lobby? | 01:09 |
| bmoss | could work :) | 01:10 |
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| Loquacities | so, who's in favour of making this an informal event, in a cafe or something? | 01:10 |
| Loquacities | (vs a formal event, to coincide with the meeting) | 01:10 |
| asettle | I have nothing against it... per say that we make it in a quiet environment - not during a lunch time, etc | 01:10 |
| adahms | Yeah, a cafe could work :) | 01:10 |
| suyog | I'm fine eitherway. | 01:10 |
| asettle | It might just be a little harder to all speak and discuss without interrupting other patrons. | 01:10 |
| asettle | Just sayin' | 01:10 |
| Loquacities | anyone want to research places we could go? | 01:10 |
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| Loquacities | haha | 01:11 |
| bmoss | what about timing? Are we committed to business hours? | 01:11 |
| Loquacities | i think it would be preferable | 01:11 |
| asettle | bmoss, if you get me up on a Saturday, I'll smack you | 01:11 |
| Loquacities | (speaking personally, i have childcare issues after hours) | 01:11 |
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| adahms | Business hours should be fine on our side | 01:11 |
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| Loquacities | ok | 01:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sounds like a good case for sunday at 7 am :) | 01:11 |
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| Loquacities | Sam-I-Am: who asked you? :P | 01:12 |
| adahms | There's the coffee club near Ben's Alibi, for example - nice and open | 01:12 |
| adahms | Should be places about with a bit of space | 01:12 |
| asettle | *shudder* anyting *but* the coffee club | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | adahms: yeah, not too noisy, either | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | asettle: LOL | 01:12 |
| adahms | Sorry, Alex | 01:12 |
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| asettle | It's so baaaaaaaaaad | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | ok, if no one offers to research this, i'm going to voluntell someone | 01:12 |
| asettle | Wow, I really am complaining a lot today | 01:12 |
| asettle | FINE | 01:12 |
| asettle | ILL DO IT | 01:12 |
| bmoss | The bar formerly known as MJs? | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | yay! | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | bmoss: i liked that place, quirky as it is now :P | 01:12 |
| asettle | bmoss, sure, let's all go get food poisoning | 01:12 |
| bmoss | Actually, we could just meet in the transit centre. | 01:12 |
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| asettle | bmoss, platform 7? | 01:13 |
| bmoss | lots of space. Quiet during the day. | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | #action asettle to find a location for an informal meetup | 01:13 |
| bmoss | Donuts King on site. | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | moving on ... | 01:13 |
| asettle | dmacpher, well there's a name on IRC I have not seen in a while | 01:13 |
| asettle | Wow | 01:13 |
| asettle | It's like | 01:13 |
| asettle | Alex does everything day | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | #topic OpenStack Docs Swarm | 01:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Docs Swarm (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:13 | |
| Sam-I-Am | because donuts | 01:13 |
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| bmoss | right, Docs Swarm | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | so, we need a date, right? | 01:14 |
| bmoss | so, RH have told me we should be fine to host another swarm, we just need to book out the dates | 01:14 |
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| Loquacities | i think we're running with the arch guide as a possible project (pending) | 01:14 |
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| Loquacities | and bmoss, i think you were planning a thursday/friday thing, yeah? | 01:14 |
| bmoss | We had originally mooted August. Is that a reasonable time frame? | 01:14 |
| bmoss | yeah, I thought we could go for a two day event. | 01:14 |
| Loquacities | i think so | 01:14 |
| Loquacities | we organised the last one in less time | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | when's pycon this year? | 01:15 |
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| bmoss | Ending Friday for people who need to travel, plus it means we can celebrate with post-swarm drinks on the Friday | 01:15 |
| bmoss | good question | 01:15 |
| adahms | Montreal? | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | The full conference lasts from the 31st July to the 4th of August 2015. | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | http://2015.pycon-au.org/ ^^ | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | adahms: pycon au runs in the same city two years running | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | it's in brisbane 2014 and 2015 | 01:16 |
| adahms | Interesting | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | and last year we tried to sync up with them | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | mind you, we kinda failed | 01:16 |
| asettle | I'm away till the 8th of August, and since the Arch Guide is my baby, I'd like to be there for it. So perhaps mid August? | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | so i don't know if it's worth trying again or not | 01:16 |
| bmoss | yeah, we didn't have much luck with PyCon | 01:16 |
| adahms | Should be pretty good in terms of scheduling on our side as well | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | ok, let's just pick a date in mid-late august, then | 01:17 |
| bmoss | 13-14, or 20-21? | 01:17 |
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| Loquacities | heh, turns out i have something on 22 | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | (would you believe i have stuff booked six months out?) | 01:17 |
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| adahms | I would :) | 01:17 |
| bmoss | I don't even have anything planned for this weekend! | 01:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | you guys have like....lives or something | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | let's go 13-14 | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | Sam-I-Am: pfft, hardly | 01:17 |
| bmoss | perfect. Now watch Opera House be booked for training or something... | 01:18 |
| * Sam-I-Am looks at empty calendar | 01:18 | |
| Loquacities | who's in favour of a brisbane docs sprint on 13-14 august? | 01:18 |
| bmoss | aye | 01:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | Loquacities: me, if i can go :) | 01:18 |
| Loquacities | Sam-I-Am: i'm not sure how that convo with jason would go ;) | 01:18 |
| adahms | Should be good for me - nothing planned then yet | 01:18 |
| Loquacities | might be pushing the friendship | 01:18 |
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| Loquacities | awesome, bmoss do you mind trying to lock that in? | 01:19 |
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| bmoss | will do. | 01:19 |
| Loquacities | ta | 01:19 |
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| suyog | yeah, nothing planned post this weekend.. works for me. | 01:19 |
| Loquacities | #action bmoss to book RH for docs sprint 13-14 august | 01:19 |
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| Loquacities | #topic User Guides new specialty team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html | 01:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Guides new specialty team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:19 | |
| Loquacities | so, i'm bringing this up here because i didn't get a lot of traction on the ML | 01:20 |
| Loquacities | anyone here interested in helping me out with this? | 01:20 |
| * bmoss is reading furiously | 01:20 | |
| JRobinson__ | Yes, sounds interesting | 01:20 |
| Loquacities | lol | 01:20 |
| Loquacities | cool | 01:21 |
| darrenc | sure | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | do you mind replying on the list so we can get something happening? | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | now might also be a good moment to remind you all that we have a mailing list ... | 01:21 |
| suyog | Yeah, i'm eyeballing it too.. looks interesting. | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like a good idea | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | great! | 01:21 |
| asettle | I'm still working on the arch guide, so count me out. | 01:21 |
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| dnavale | will take a look | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | asettle: np | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | thanks dnavale | 01:21 |
| asettle | Loquacities, mailing list? what mailing list? :p | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | ok, i think that's all i had | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | asettle: face->palm | 01:22 |
| asettle | Ohhh the one where I have 500+ unread emails? | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | #topic open discussion | 01:22 |
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| asettle | *cries* | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | anything else, anyone? | 01:22 |
| asettle | Loquacities, I've emailed Anne (consider yourself CC'd) to discuss the arch guide. | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | awesome, thanks asettle | 01:22 |
| asettle | I've got a semi-plan in my head | 01:22 |
| bmoss | Um... about this mailing list... | 01:22 |
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| asettle | So hopefuly I should be able to put something together for everyone to do | 01:22 |
| JRobinson__ | One recent message on the ML was on the HA installation guide | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | i like plans! even semi-plans! | 01:22 |
| asettle | I've got one then ;) | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | JRobinson__: its more of the HA augmentation guide | 01:23 |
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| asettle | Also, how many people should I be looking to book for for our meeting? | 01:23 |
| JRobinson__ | It's worth reading Meg McRoberts email with specifics on what the plan is. | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | asettle: i would say 10 | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | can't imagine we'll get more than that | 01:23 |
| asettle | That including all RHers? adahms ? | 01:23 |
| asettle | Since I found out today that dmacpher works on OS | 01:23 |
| asettle | Ha | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | oh, he does?! | 01:23 |
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| asettle | Yeah | 01:23 |
| asettle | Right?! | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | neat | 01:24 |
| asettle | Apparently I'm not hteo nly one | 01:24 |
| asettle | Anyway | 01:24 |
| adahms | He does, aye | 01:24 |
| asettle | Where was I | 01:24 |
| asettle | Oh yes | 01:24 |
| asettle | Does it have to be in the city? | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | he doesn't seem to speak to be any more | 01:24 |
| asettle | Loquacities, he's in the channel | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | asettle: i think it would be better if it was | 01:24 |
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| adahms | Yeah, I think there are about 6 or 7 of us | 01:24 |
| asettle | He can see you | 01:24 |
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| adahms | CBD would probably be easiest | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | ohhhh, he is too! | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | hi dmacpher *waves* | 01:24 |
| suyog | dmacpher, is usually pretty busy in his bat cave | 01:24 |
| bmoss | he's playing it cool | 01:25 |
| dmacpher | Loquacities, yeah, I'm talking to you right now.. doy! | 01:25 |
| asettle | adahms, thanks. so, i'll book for 7 of you, and 3 of us... I'm guessing darrenc isn't going to maek it to bris for this? loo | 01:25 |
| asettle | Loquacities, * | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | dmacpher: long time, no chat! | 01:25 |
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| dmacpher | Loquacities, been flat out :S | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | so it would seem ;) | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | ok, i think we're done here? | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | shall we call it? | 01:25 |
| dmacpher | Loquacities, haven't had time to go to pancakes... Plus you know what I'm like in the mornings | 01:25 |
| adahms | Sounds good | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | 3 ... | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | 2 ... | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | 1 ... | 01:25 |
| asettle | dmacpher, as good as me ;) | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:25 |
| asettle | Which is why I don't go either | 01:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 01:25:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-18-01.00.html | 01:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-18-01.00.txt | 01:26 |
| dmacpher | asettle, pretty much | 01:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-18-01.00.log.html | 01:26 |
| Loquacities | yeah, mornings are hard, i get that | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | $timeofday is hard | 01:26 |
| asettle | I can exercise in the mornings, but talking to people? Don't be ridiculous. | 01:26 |
| Loquacities | especially if you have horrid meeting times (which i assume you do) | 01:26 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 12:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
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| skraynev | o/ | 12:01 |
| dgonzalez | o/ | 12:01 |
| ananta | hi | 12:01 |
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| asalkeld | hi all, let wait a little for others to show | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| asalkeld | while we wait, any more topics? | 12:02 |
| inc0 | we could start thinking of dev sessions for vancouver | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | inc0: make an etherpad? | 12:03 |
| ryansb | morning | 12:03 |
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| inc0 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | cool, thanks | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | ok, lets move on | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic Critical bug review | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical bug review (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:04 | |
| asalkeld | that was short, no critical bugs | 12:05 |
| skraynev | \o/ | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | any bugs people are worring about? | 12:05 |
| pas-ha | me | 12:05 |
| pas-ha | seems like our aws loadbalancer is not working again | 12:05 |
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| pas-ha | it can not create the ceilometer alarm due to authplugin error | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: you made a bug yet? | 12:06 |
| pas-ha | I wonder if tis is connected with our recent move to authplugins | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | probably | 12:06 |
| pas-ha | not yet, trying to understand if its mine devstack or a real bug | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:07 |
| pas-ha | will finish investigatin today | 12:07 |
| skraynev | I have not such issue, suppose because my devstack 1 week old | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | ok, let's move on | 12:07 |
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| pas-ha | sure | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | #topic blueprint reviews (let's try to prioritize) | 12:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprint reviews (let's try to prioritize) (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:07 | |
| asalkeld | so we have a *lot* of blueprints | 12:07 |
| skraynev | and specs :) | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | #links https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-3 | 12:07 |
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| asalkeld | if we can work by the priorities that would help | 12:08 |
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| asalkeld | convergence specs need urgent reviews | 12:09 |
| skraynev | I updated one of mine | 12:09 |
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| asalkeld | are there any blueprints that people want re-priortised? | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | things look ok to me | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | from a priority PoV | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | just a lot of work to do there | 12:10 |
| skraynev | especially in some BP, where spec does not contain real code examples :) | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | skraynev: you worried about which ones? | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | if you need more info, ask for it | 12:12 |
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| asalkeld | ok, that's most of what i wanted to say | 12:12 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: hmmmm. probably info is enough. I just told about real code in simulator. | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | ok skraynev cool - that is the last spec in that series, so less urgent | 12:13 |
| skraynev | Obviously easier copy-paste code, then write new :) | 12:13 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: ok | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | #topic ideas for summit sessions | 12:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ideas for summit sessions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:14 | |
| ananta | skraynev: there is big mismatch between real and simulator code | 12:14 |
| skraynev | ananta: I understand. | 12:14 |
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| skraynev | ananta: it's like a wish ;) | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | inc0: ... | 12:14 |
| ryansb | lol | 12:15 |
| inc0 | we should probably get talk about convergence;) | 12:15 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: probably phase 2 for conv | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | anyways add there 6 | 12:15 |
| skraynev | so inc0 was faster | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | anyways add there ^ | 12:15 |
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| inc0 | I'll add one as template in a minute | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | the user based ones i thought were quite good last time | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | should leave some time for that | 12:16 |
| inc0 | what are priorities for L anyway? | 12:17 |
| pas-ha | getting phse 2 convergence done? | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | inc0: depends what people want to work on / new ptl ideas / our thought | 12:17 |
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| skraynev | ok. Will add couple;) | 12:18 |
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| asalkeld | personally: harden convergence, usablity | 12:18 |
| inc0 | it would be good for sessions to reflect that imho | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | we need to actually swith over to convergence so we need a good test plan | 12:18 |
| skraynev | inc0: I suppose, that not all of them should have specific session | 12:18 |
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| skraynev | we can add ideas and small topic to and then we split them | 12:19 |
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| skraynev | *topics | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | sure, it's early just add ideas | 12:19 |
| inc0 | well, lets just start adding, then we'll filter out what we want | 12:19 |
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| skraynev | inc0: yeap | 12:19 |
| inc0 | thats it from my part | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:20 |
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| ananta | I need some help on one of the convergence patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155211/ | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | ok, looking | 12:20 |
| ananta | I have added a comment to sqlalchemy/api.py | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | ananta: there is a getter/setter for that | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | is that not working? | 12:21 |
| ananta | this is suppose to be update...where | 12:22 |
| ananta | need to implement update...where in the stack update | 12:22 |
| ananta | it has problems with the status reason because it is handled as property in StateAware | 12:22 |
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| ananta | the update...where fails there saying KeyError: status_reason | 12:23 |
| ananta | the getter/setter is the problem | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | ananta: ok, needs a bit of debugging - don | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | ananta: ok, needs a bit of debugging - don't have a plan now | 12:24 |
| ananta | asalkeld: ok, sure | 12:24 |
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| shardy | o/ | 12:24 |
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| inc0 | quick way would be either fake reason or make reason option | 12:25 |
| inc0 | al | 12:25 |
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| asalkeld | ananta: maybe push that truncation further up? | 12:25 |
| skraynev | shardy: etherpad for L https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | so it's not in the db layer? | 12:26 |
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| ananta | asalkeld: yeah... that's better I guess | 12:26 |
| ananta | but then at upper layer there is no good place to force it | 12:26 |
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| inc0 | ananta, objects might give you this place | 12:27 |
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| inc0 | I'm reluctant in putting much business logic out there, but well | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/stack.py#L316 | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | ananta: ^ - and similar for resource | 12:27 |
| ananta | inc0, asalkeld: I was thinking of defining a type like LengthRestrictedText | 12:28 |
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| asalkeld | ananta: ok, that might work | 12:28 |
| ananta | asalkeld: ok, I will try and see how it goes | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | good luck | 12:29 |
| ananta | inc0: asalkeld: thanks for help | 12:29 |
| inc0 | no problem | 12:29 |
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| asalkeld | we can end early if everyone is done | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | just one last request to focus on high priority specs and blueprints please | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | ok, lets move to #heat | 12:32 |
| skraynev | ok | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 12:32:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-18-12.00.html | 12:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-18-12.00.txt | 12:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-18-12.00.log.html | 12:32 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Howdy. Is anyone here for the XenAPI meeting? | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | I had apologies from johnthetubaguy who has a conflict | 15:01 |
| BobBall | but I forgot to cancel the meeting on the ML so figured I should just do a quick check. | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Updates for those who are reading the logs: | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Nasty bug in XenAPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1421707 - fix is pending review | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421707 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Differential data not carrying over on resize up" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt) | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | libvirt+xen CI is progressing well - should have some results by the next meeting. Current status is we've got jobs running, but trying to do the plumbing now. | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | Next step after that is probably to move the XenAPI CI into the same framework, but that's going to take a little time due to the way the XenServers are set up. | 15:03 |
| BobBall | A couple of summit talks have been submitted that people may be interested in: https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver//Presentation/deploying-suse-openstack-cloud-with-the-xen-project-hypervisor | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | and https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/packaging-gpu-intensive-applications-for-openstack | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Have a look and vote if interested. | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | That'll do for me talking to myself and sorry again for not sending the notification to the ML. Catch johnthetubaguy or myself on IRC if there are any questions. | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Next meeting 4th March | 15:05 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 15:05:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-18-15.00.html | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-18-15.00.txt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-02-18-15.00.log.html | 15:05 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 16:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| rhe00 | hi | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| Yogi | hello | 16:00 |
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| thingee | so first off announcements | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:01 |
| dulek | hi | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | we have our weekly reminder on the requirement of third party ci for all volume drivers in cinder | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | 0/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:01 |
| thingee | march 19th | 16:01 |
| thingee | that's the deadline date | 16:01 |
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| thingee | Google summer of code is coming up | 16:02 |
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| thingee | if you want to participate and help others on the openstack front, check out | 16:02 |
| cebruns | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2015 | 16:02 |
| thingee | and reach out to dims__ | 16:02 |
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| jnrao | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | agenda for today | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
| thingee | lets get started! | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #topic 3rd Party CI - Important Action required | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd Party CI - Important Action required (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| thingee | asselin_: hi | 16:03 |
| dims__ | thanks thingee | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 16:03 |
| asselin_ | Want to make sure everyone doing ci reads this ^^ | 16:03 |
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| avishay | hi | 16:03 |
| thingee | #action If you have a firewall that blocks port 29418/tcp, be sure to start the process to get it updated, otherwise you may not be able to subscribe to the gerrit event stream. | 16:03 |
| asselin_ | If you have firewall egress rules, this can break your ci's ability to read the gerrit event stream | 16:04 |
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| flip214 | asselin_: is there some protocol what should be done if eg. devstack setup fails? should then a +0 be sent? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: Will there be overlap so we can test connection to the new host before DNS is switched? | 16:04 |
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| asselin_ | flip214, it won't even get that far. | 16:04 |
| asselin_ | no jobs will get triggered w/o an event stream | 16:04 |
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| flip214 | asselin_: if my CI re-creates a devstack setup to test a change, and this setup fails, what should it do? | 16:05 |
| asselin_ | smcginnis, I asked yesterday in the -infra meeting, but didn't get an answer....I was ask again | 16:05 |
| flip214 | just ignore it? | 16:05 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:05 |
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| deepakcs | o/ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: Thanks, that would be good to know. | 16:05 |
| flip214 | ignore this change is what I mean. | 16:05 |
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| asselin_ | flip214, just fail | 16:05 |
| thingee | #action asselin_ to figure out from infra if there will be a test connection to the new host | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | flip214: it's a "failure" | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | asselin_: so my understanding is this is just an IP change, same port etc etc | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | Given that review.openstack.org is running in the cloud, it would be easy enough to assign the floating IP to the next instance I'd have thought, but still... | 16:06 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: yes, but not a failure caused by some change that just got committed. As we've had in Januiary... | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | asselin_: correct? | 16:06 |
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| asselin_ | jgriffith, correct ,just ip change | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | asselin_: k, thanks | 16:06 |
| clarkb | DuncanT rax doesnt have floating IPs unless something has changed | 16:07 |
| asselin_ | flip214, just fail. let reviewers issue a recheck | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | flip214: off topic, but final word is "doesn't matter" the test failed to run | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | clarkb: Ah, ok, thanks | 16:07 |
| clarkb | if it has changed would require an IP change to get onto a floating ip regardless | 16:07 |
| flip214 | okay. | 16:07 |
| thingee | asselin_: anything else to add? | 16:07 |
| thingee | anyone else? | 16:08 |
| asselin_ | thingee, that's it. thanks | 16:08 |
| thingee | asselin_: thanks for the notice | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #topic Volume Replication Plan Going Forward | 16:08 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: you're up | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks. | 16:08 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155644/ | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | We have been working on getting the issues with volume replication addressed that were raised during the mid-cycle meetup. | 16:09 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meetup-winter-2015 | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Now a proposal for volume replication v2 has been made by jgriffith and those are interested are actively working on iterating through that. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | With that said, I want to propose how we handle wrapping up volume replication v1. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | We have several patches in the pipeline that wish to use replication v1. | 16:10 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: seems like a lot of good ideas are coming out from the spec from smcginnis. Thanks to jgriffith for starting things too | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Based on what we are seeing in the v2 spec it seems that we are going to be keeping replication and v2 will be an udpate/improvement based on lessons learned as we hoped would be the case when we discussed this in Paris. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Yes, thanks to jgriffith smcginnis ronenkat_ xyang1 . All who are commenting in there. | 16:12 |
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| thingee | so is it worth ibm having to have their customers switch to something else in L and worth us spending time doing the reviews. Also is it worth IBM to support two different ways of how replication is done. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, at this point I want to broach the subject of getting the current patches for V1 in to Kilo as originally planned. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Well, this isn't just IBM patrickeast has his version out there as well. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Do you have patch links? | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | jungleboyj: yep, but i think the decision for us is to wait for v2 | 16:13 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: my question still stands. Seems like a PITA for you guys, but if you really want to go that route | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Regardless, I think we should get the updated spec in for V1 https://review.openstack.org/152735 | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | we don’t really want to have to try and support both approaches in our driver | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Captain replication can handle it. :P | 16:14 |
| xyang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145090/ | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: What are your thoughts on v2? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | GPFS: https://review.openstack.org/153918 | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | i like it a lot more | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: just to make sure I understand, you're proposing we have 2 implementations in place? | 16:14 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yup | 16:15 |
| patrickeast | it would simplify the implementation quite a bit | 16:15 |
| thingee | in L, they'll switch to v2 | 16:15 |
| ronenkat_ | thingee: we would probably get more feedback from added implmentations, and migration from v1 to v2 should be simple as the details are kept in the driver | 16:15 |
| thingee | but they have to support Kilo's v1 implementation | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | that seems troublesome | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: We would switch to v2 in L. | 16:15 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:15 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: yup | 16:15 |
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| thingee | that's where I'm getting it at. IBM will be dealing with it though, so not really my problem. I would recommend against it though. | 16:16 |
| thingee | for your sanity | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that makes things rather difficult to clean things up I think. And it is going to introduce a lot of confusion | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: Yeah, I think you're right | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Seems a pain, but we are converging toward a more consistent and usable design. I guess if jungleboyj and patrickeast think this is the right approach, we should work towards it. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | the other option I guess is don't do V2 until L | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: v2 was always a plan to me in L | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | and just no more implementations of the current replication | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Aren't we just delaying the inevitable? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: oh | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I didn't think we were going to do v2 until L. | 16:17 |
| thingee | but I would sponsor it in K if we really felt it was doable | 16:17 |
| hemna | we were looking at adding replication but we decided to wait for K | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | That is why I am proposing this. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: then I'm not sure why this is a topic :) | 16:17 |
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| thingee | I'm the guy targeting 48 things in k-3. what do I care? :P | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | lol | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thingee my bad, I had hoped to do this for K | 16:17 |
| hemna | the whole periodic task thing in the volume manager seems very bad to me. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ah, I see the confusion here. | 16:18 |
| hemna | so I hope v2 fixes that | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: We have a patch up to fix that. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | For V1. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thingee if you guys are going L then I don't even know why this would be a topic | 16:18 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, well it's a partial fix | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: fix what's there if you can | 16:18 |
| hemna | it's still pulling every volume from the db for a host though. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I wouldn't want to see anybody else try to implement this version though | 16:18 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | hemna https://review.openstack.org/154673 | 16:18 |
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| ronenkat_ | hemna: I don't think you can get it out - you will need it, you can change the frequency, but not the periodical itself | 16:18 |
| thingee | jgriffith: doesn't hurt to talk about things now. I would rather people not focus on things for L right now though...we already have quite a bit to do in k-3 | 16:18 |
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| ronenkat_ | hemna: the performance issues will be taken care of | 16:19 |
| thingee | and I have been reaching out to core directly for help on k-3 | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | hemna :We'll only be hitting the db while replication is enabled though now, right? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: on if the device reports that it supports it | 16:19 |
| thingee | jgriffith: so I would sponsor it, but I just wasn't under the impression we would be ready in time | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: hemna but actually that appears to be broken anyway | 16:19 |
| hemna | DuncanT, the periodic is only enabled if the capability is reported | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: So, if we want to get our patch for GPFS in and the update to storwize is that acceptable. I will get the spec updated so that it is consistent for the v1 design and then for L we move the focus to v2? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sure... that's fair | 16:20 |
| hemna | but it still pulls every volume for a host from the db. | 16:20 |
| thingee | jgriffith: there was no clear indication "thingee I plan to do this in L"...just a spec. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I am just looking for agreement there. | 16:20 |
| thingee | no FFE | 16:20 |
| hemna | I haven't looked at the review since last night though | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so I'm happy to do it whenever... like even in the next week or two | 16:20 |
| hemna | so maybe they fixed that as well. /me crosses fingers | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Given only IBM have a driver for it, the best bet would be for nobody else to report support for it in K, then the periodic db hiit should be a none issue | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but also fine if nobody wants it in K as it's late | 16:20 |
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| thingee | I'm fine with it. I like the work jgriffith put in this. I just wouldn't approve something from drivers to do it in K at this point. not enough time imo | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ahh... good point | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I agree with that on V2. We need to take time to hash it out carefully to avoid future issues. | 16:21 |
| hemna | yup | 16:21 |
| ronenkat_ | jgriffith: since you did raise the point the replication got in with not enough considerations, I suggest we at least not do so now | 16:21 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: what issues with migrating to v2 do you see if drivers continue with v1 in K? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat_: +1 | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: behaviors are different | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and it eliminates quite a bit of code | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: so the biggest thing is it's sort of a waste of effort | 16:22 |
| thingee | I think if we plan this for L-1 and give time for drivers to do a hard switch... | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: the other thing is I'm not sure the current impl can even work | 16:23 |
| thingee | jungleboyj, ronenkat_, patrickeast: is that possible with what's proposed? | 16:23 |
| ronenkat_ | jgriffith: i don't see how you reach that conclusion, v2 can be an add-on with a change to the default | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, I guess if people want to write it twice that's fine | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I was going to have GPFS fix things to not add a new config option as you had suggested. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but I am struggling to see your distinction between "drivers in K" for V1 vs V2 | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | So we were going to make our current patches as porable as possible. | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | thingee: it would be a rough transition from v1 -> v2 for our driver impl, we need to add a bunch of config options and stuff for v1 that (in its current form) go away with v2 | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | if it's too late isn't it too late? | 16:23 |
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| patrickeast | its easier to just not do v1 | 16:24 |
| hemna | patrickeast, +1 | 16:24 |
| thingee | jgriffith: the only problem is review resources going towards something at this point. Drivers ultimiately are going to have to deal with the pain points of migrating to v2 in L | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: The driver pieces under the covers shouldn't be that different. | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: right, I'm with you on that... but maybe I'm misunderstood | 16:24 |
| ronenkat_ | thingee: I think this is an apparoch, v2 can be an evolution or a revolution, I think the 1st is the right one for Cinder | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | thingee: are you proposing: "Drivers are free to implement replication using V1 in Kilo still"? | 16:24 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: we just have ibm and pure right? | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I think that is it at this point. | 16:25 |
| thingee | if there is an understanding now that we will do a hard switch in L, sure | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sorry, still confused | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so IBM and EMC have impl's | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | thingee: pure has one proposed | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm asking... are you accepting replication adds to drivers for K if they use V1? | 16:26 |
| thingee | yeah so I'm saying if people want to do v1, and support one impl in K, and a totally different impl + migration in L, sure. | 16:26 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: EMC hasn't implemented replication yet | 16:26 |
| thingee | ultimiately, I think you're going to suffer with issues in this migration, fair warning. | 16:26 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: we just have cg | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: oh... sorry, thought you had | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | so this seems odd to me.... | 16:27 |
| hemna | soren, can the purestorage folks wait for L ? | 16:27 |
| ronenkat_ | jgriffith: thingee: I am confused here, I see v2 as upgrade, why are you insisting otherwise? | 16:27 |
| hemna | *sigh* | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: we are planning for it still | 16:27 |
| hemna | so | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | there's one vendor that has replication and that's it? | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | you say "too late to do a V2 in Kilo" | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, so I will get our patches set up so that they are least likely to have migration issues. | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | yea we are ok waiting for L, this was something that would have gone in as a “tell the customers its experimental and not to use it” anyway | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | but it's not too late to try and build on somethign that is questionable? | 16:28 |
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| hemna | patrickeast, cool | 16:28 |
| hemna | patrickeast, we are waiting for L | 16:28 |
| thingee | jgriffith: let me try again | 16:28 |
| hemna | so that just leaves IBM | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | thingee: don't worry about it, I'm apparantly the only one that doesn't understand | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Appears that way. | 16:28 |
| hemna | soren, lets do v2 in L' | 16:28 |
| hemna | IBM has to deal with the upgrade | 16:28 |
| hemna | everyone else waits for L | 16:28 |
| hemna | next. | 16:29 |
| thingee | jgriffith: you're not going to have v2 done in time for other drivers to take advantage of it. We have IBM and pure that are interested. If they understand the proposed spec, and the migration costs of v1 to v2 and trouble of support two implementations in K and L, then fine, let them. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Works for me. We already have to deal with it anyway. | 16:29 |
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| hemna | thingee, pure just said they can wait for L | 16:29 |
| thingee | even better | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok. | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | So we're intentionally leaving any IBM users with replication set up with an upgrade headache that they should approach IBM to sort out? (I'm fine with this, as long as it is an explicit decision) | 16:29 |
| hemna | lets get v2 to land by L1 ? | 16:30 |
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| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:30 |
| hemna | give drivers time to get replication in by L2/3 | 16:30 |
| hemna | next | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thank you. | 16:30 |
| thingee | DuncanT: exactly | 16:30 |
| ronenkat_ | thingee: just one more topic | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Thanks | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +1000 | 16:30 |
| thingee | ronenkat_: yes? | 16:30 |
| ronenkat_ | thingee: the updated replication spec should allow an upgrade, mainly from the APi perspective | 16:31 |
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| ronenkat_ | thingee: of course there will be changes | 16:31 |
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| ronenkat_ | thingee: and internally we expect the code to be different | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | ronenkat_: I don't think we can guarentee API back-compat here | 16:31 |
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| DuncanT | ronenkat_: While I think it is fair to set that as a general aim, I'd rather pulll replication from K completely than set that in stone | 16:32 |
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| ronenkat_ | DuncanT: I have't seen anything that would break things, I think that the new spec API is fairly compatible with the current one | 16:33 |
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| thingee | ronenkat_: I honestly don't understand the changes to the current API, I would have to defer to jgriffith on those details. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat_: I don't think that's accruate | 16:33 |
| ronenkat_ | DuncanT: the one in the spec are basically API renames | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat_: all of your DB stuff goes away | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat_: and youre replication volumes DNE | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | ronenkat_: but anyway, sounds like we have plenty of time to worry about it | 16:33 |
| ronenkat_ | jgriffith: I have a diffrent view - I think some would not be needed, and that is good | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat_: and who knows... V2 may just die on the vine anyway | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | we should take care of db migrations | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | ronenkat_: oh... def not needed, but the migration is a PITA :) | 16:34 |
| ronenkat_ | jgriffith: no, I think v2 is a great addition to replication | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | ronenkat_: I've not compared the two specs, but the point of my explicit call out about was to say that we are going to feel free to break the k replication setup in L if necessary | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | there are replication related columns in volumes table today | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: +1 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: correct | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | ronenkat_: Sure we try not to, but we don't block merges that do, if they are needed | 16:35 |
| ronenkat_ | DuncanT: I agree - we would not hinder replication, and make changes as needed | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | ronenkat_: Great, thanks | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: ronenkat_ +1 | 16:35 |
| thingee | anyways, here's what I'm going to propose because I would like to get to the other topics... | 16:35 |
| thingee | ronenkat_, jungleboyj, jgriffith: if migration is needed...work with jgriffith on it, but don't block the v2 work for this reason. we need the general drivers to be able to use this | 16:36 |
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| ronenkat_ | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: anything else? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Nope. I think my questions have been answered. | 16:38 |
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| thingee | thanks again to jgriffith for once again handling a hard issue in Cinder. I'm looking forward to this. | 16:38 |
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| thingee | #topic Standard Capabilities | 16:38 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150511/ | 16:38 |
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| thingee | we talked about the idea of having standard capabilities in K. | 16:39 |
| hemna | which was a separate topic IMHO from our original proposal to help the create volume type workflow. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | hemna: +1 | 16:40 |
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| hemna | I think both are worth ironing out and have a lot of value. | 16:40 |
| thingee | there are a couple of things were trying to solve: 1) let the operator know the capabilities of a driver and 2) give horizon information to allow setting extra specs based on this information | 16:40 |
| thingee | #1 sounds great across to everyone | 16:40 |
| thingee | #2 seems to be a mess to introduce in Cinder. | 16:40 |
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| hemna | I disagree | 16:41 |
| thingee | from the feedback I got in this spec. | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: I think 2 can be done via something other than the capabilities scheduler update, e.g. a direct call into the driver that horizon can make | 16:41 |
| thingee | we're really running out of time unfortunately, and I don't even think horizon folks will be able to account for how late we are on our side. | 16:41 |
| gary-smith | I think the negative feedback is that it is also trying to solve 3) modifications to scheduling vis a vis categories | 16:41 |
| thingee | I would really like to get #1 at least done by K and revisit #2 in L. | 16:42 |
| thingee | annnnnnnd discuss! | 16:42 |
| hemna | DuncanT, that was my original design | 16:42 |
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| hemna | I don't think #1 is possible for K | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Yeah, I don't understand winston-d's objections... if horizon sees a key it doesn't have help for because it popped up dynamically, then it can ask again IMO | 16:42 |
| hemna | because not only does it require updating all drivers, but you'll have to modify the capabilities filter to work with the new categories. | 16:43 |
| bswartz | I'm all in favor of the proposal to standardize/categorize specs -- however I don't see them as a replacement for the vendor-specific extra_specs we have today | 16:43 |
| hemna | but that's my $0.02 | 16:43 |
| thingee | hemna: that's true | 16:43 |
| bswartz | I see them as a complement | 16:43 |
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| hemna | honestly I think even #2 at this point is a stretch for K | 16:43 |
| hemna | I'd like to do both of them 'right' | 16:43 |
| hemna | and by right I mean not use the scheduler for the extra specs schema reporting | 16:43 |
| tbarron1 | bswartz: +1 | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: gary-smith DuncanT did anybody give any thought to my suggestion for an extension specifically for extra-spec key settings? | 16:44 |
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| hemna | I have an idea that I worked on with gary-smith yesterday that I could propose, but it's an L thing really. | 16:44 |
| thingee | bswartz: I agree, but the no feedback part and people off doing their own thing. I promise to help your guys review through, but I really need feedback on this. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: gary-smith DuncanT rather than lumping it in with capability/stats report? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I think that might be what I'm talking about now? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: And I like the idea FWIW | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ahh... ok | 16:44 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, my original idea for the schema was something outside of the scheduler | 16:44 |
| hemna | we should hash it out | 16:44 |
| gary-smith | jgriffith: +1 | 16:44 |
| bswartz | okay | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: was wondering what you thought on that... and bswartz | 16:45 |
| hemna | but it's not really a K thing I think at this point, given how much we already have on our plate to review. | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: We can solve the dynamic update problem in the client if necessary... | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't necessarily understand that problem space on that TBH, but that's probably ok for now :) | 16:45 |
| thingee | jgriffith: when you say extension, you mean the driver maintainers go off and make their own? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: well... I mean in cinder/api/contrib | 16:46 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:46 |
| hemna | that was my original idea | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: we have a "get_vendor_keys" or something | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: I definitely thing that is bad, we can and should standardise it | 16:46 |
| thingee | jgriffith: before I really took a hard look at what HP was proposing with this, I had some great discussions with a variety of users. Then when I read the specs, this was right inline with what people wanted to do and it got me really excited. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and it calls a specific method in the driver to get that info | 16:46 |
| thingee | wrt to understanding the problem space | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | thingee: fair | 16:47 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sounds fine to me | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | hemna: do you have a link to where you proposed that? | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I think that we can solve loads of the overhead problems just by moving it into it's own call | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | hemna: for some reason the only proposal I remember was seeing this lumped in with capabilities update | 16:47 |
| hemna | jgriffith, it might be in our original spec, but this is what I had proposed in Paris | 16:47 |
| hemna | and winston-d shot me down | 16:47 |
| thingee | DuncanT: yeah, doesn't help the scheduler part, but I think we can at least for now leave that as hints to the driver of what to do? Which is what I think jgriffith wanted originally | 16:48 |
| hemna | saying it HAD to go through the capabilities and the scheduler. | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and I would LOVE to see your spec used to set a 'standard' format | 16:48 |
| hemna | which I still don't agree with, but anyway | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | thingee: The scheduler doesn't care about type info AFAIK | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: wait.. you're contradicting yourself | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: or... maybe not, maybe I'm missing a piece | 16:48 |
| thingee | DuncanT: the whole point of standard capabilities I thought was for the scheduler to filter through them | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so you mean initially you wanted this and winston-d said no? | 16:49 |
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| hemna | I don't agree with being forced to use the scheduler | 16:49 |
| thingee | and for a nicer interface to the user | 16:49 |
| hemna | correct | 16:49 |
| thingee | user=ops | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: for the vendor unique keys? | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I wonder why, that seems odd to me | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Sorry, I'm taking about the typing/spec stuff, not the standardisation part | 16:49 |
| hemna | yup | 16:49 |
| winston-d | hemna: not HAD to, i said why not use what we already have, which is scheduler stats, to help your implementation | 16:49 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: me too. standard capabilities would be used in extra specs I thought. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: if we isolate it to vendor-unique keys I don't see any value in the scheduler having knowledge I don't think (although my notes to thingee 's spec did in fact merge everything into the scheduler) I realized that wasn't popular so I aborted :) | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT hemna so there are two categories: | 16:50 |
| hemna | yah I think that's the jist of it | 16:50 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127646/1/specs/kilo/get-vol-type-extra-specs.rst | 16:51 |
| thingee | 10 minute warning | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | 1. Standard capabilities (which the scheduler knows about) non-scoped keys | 16:51 |
| hemna | the first patch set talks about what we wanted to do | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | 2. Vendor unique which the scheduler ignores (scoped keys) | 16:51 |
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| winston-d | any thing needs to be put into type definition, will have to be exposed to scheduler, that's reason i suggested we use 'scheduler-stats' to help 'user-friendly-volume-type-creation-GUI' | 16:51 |
| hemna | jgriffith, and to be clear, what horizon needs to support 1 and 2 is the schema description for both 1 and 2. | 16:52 |
| * thingee laughs when he told gary-smith he had one minor quick addition to all of this | 16:52 | |
| hemna | :P | 16:52 |
| gary-smith | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: 2. is what I don't like - it is unnecessarily limitting | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | hmm... ok | 16:52 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: there are vendor-specific keys are aren't "scoped" or "qualified", they just have a vendor_ prefix | 16:52 |
| hemna | this sounds like a good topic for Vancouver. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | well, then we come back to my proposed ammendment to the spec in how the data is presented | 16:53 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | but honestly I think I've caused enough trouble | 16:53 |
| gary-smith | jgriffith: are you referring to the gist? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I'll butt out | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | gary-smith: correct | 16:53 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, so I think what you had in the gist was good, but having the scheduler ignore the values, is what I still had issue with. | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: oh... well it doesn't have to ignore them | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | hemna: they were examples, you can do both | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | hemna: +1 | 16:54 |
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| hemna | perfect. | 16:54 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: vendor specific caps/keys will have to expose to scheduler, if Ops want to put them into type defintion and use them to filter out backends, scheduler is involved. | 16:54 |
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| bswartz | hemna: I think I agree too | 16:54 |
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| hemna | winston-d, yup | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: understood, I don't disagree with that | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | 5 minutes | 16:55 |
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| thingee | Ok so what am I updating with the spec now? :) | 16:55 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yes, there are cases, e.g. 3par driver, use extra specs to customize volume, not for filtering purpose, that can be ignored in scheduler. | 16:55 |
| thingee | jgriffith's solution? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | What's funny is one of the first complaints I received was that "we don't want the scheduler involved" so I added the example of scoped keys that would be ignored | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | now you're saying "we want the scehduler to handle all of this" | 16:56 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: we need both | 16:56 |
| hemna | bswartz, yes, we need both | 16:56 |
| bswartz | scoped and unscoped keys both have uses | 16:56 |
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| gary-smith | bswartz: +1 | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: which is what I initially proposed and was met with borderline hostility | 16:56 |
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| bswartz | the scheduler should ignore the scoped ones like it does today | 16:56 |
| bswartz | errr | 16:56 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I originally took from you that you didn't want the scheduler handling it. Unless that was after you got feedback from people for the scheduler to not handle things | 16:56 |
| bswartz | not from me | 16:56 |
| thingee | jgriffith: that was why I had my spec that way originally | 16:57 |
| hemna | bswartz, yup, and if we want to get the scheduler involved with scoped keys, we can add a new scopedkeyfilter that folks can use if they have to. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so it seems all of us are confused :) No, I wanted what we have today basicly | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | but I wanted to "improve" the standard capability stuff | 16:57 |
| bswartz | hemna, why not have vendor-specific unscoped keys? | 16:57 |
| bswartz | like vendor_yada_yada=foo | 16:57 |
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| thingee | Ok, I'll have to take the rest of this offline | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 16:58 |
| hemna | k | 16:58 |
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| thingee | #topic other announcements | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | honestly white board in Vancouver may be the only solution | 16:58 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:58 |
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| thingee | march 1st, code for all blueprints has to be up | 16:58 |
| thingee | -2 for anything proposed past that | 16:58 |
| thingee | code up means: | 16:58 |
| thingee | 1) jenkins passes | 16:58 |
| winston-d | bswartz: scheduler (capabilities filer actually) will treat that as capabilities | 16:58 |
| thingee | 2) not marked as wip | 16:58 |
| bswartz | winston-d: I know | 16:59 |
| thingee | march 10th, code must be merged. | 16:59 |
| thingee | -2 anything past that | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: Bug fixes? | 16:59 |
| bswartz | thingee: what was the feb 15th deadline we already passed for? | 16:59 |
| thingee | bug fixes are still good! | 16:59 |
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| thingee | bswartz: heh, specs new bps | 16:59 |
| bswartz | k | 16:59 |
| thingee | I will -2 anything that doesn't have an approved bp | 16:59 |
| thingee | targeted | 16:59 |
| e0ne | thingee: what if spec is merged but bp is not targeted for K? | 16:59 |
| thingee | for k-3 | 16:59 |
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| thingee | e0ne: contact me to correct it | 16:59 |
| bswartz | so no new specs now | 16:59 |
| thingee | thanks! | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 17:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| thingee | bswartz: correct | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| e0ne | thingee: thanks, i'll do | 17:00 |
| bswartz | 10 days to get code done | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks | 17:00 |
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| rgerganov__ | hello | 17:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi thangp and rgerganov__ | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | going to be a short meeting i suspect | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | #topic BP and specs | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | so we got a FFE on ephemeral and gary said it merged | 17:03 |
| rgerganov__ | I don't have any updates from my side | 17:03 |
| thangp | what about bugs? | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | rgerganov__: it looks like the vsan patches merged? | 17:03 |
| rgerganov__ | tjones1: yes | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | bugs is next | 17:03 |
| thangp | ok | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | great - so the 4 features we hoped to get in actually got in - except for html console. that's better than past releases | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | pat ourselves on the back! | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | so what's left for kilo?? | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | go thangp | 17:04 |
| thangp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128508/ | 17:04 |
| thangp | that's been sitting there and rebased quite a few times | 17:04 |
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| thangp | it's a medium/high bug, but nova-core is not reviewing it | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | looks like rado and gary are happy with it | 17:05 |
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| thangp | no cores though :( | 17:05 |
| rgerganov__ | yup, the patch looks good to me | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | yeah i see that | 17:05 |
| thangp | i'm not sure if there is a code freeze | 17:05 |
| rgerganov__ | just +1ed the last PS | 17:05 |
| thangp | which will stop this bug from landing in kilo | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | bugs are still ok | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | let me look for the schedule real quick | 17:06 |
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| thangp | ok thx | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | we have time | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | freeze is 3/19 | 17:06 |
| thangp | who usually does the approval for vmware? | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | it depends on the area | 17:07 |
| thangp | i usually see jogo | 17:07 |
| rgerganov__ | danpb and jaypipes | 17:07 |
| thangp | or danpb | 17:07 |
| thangp | i'll add them to the review list | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | yeah good idea | 17:07 |
| thangp | i like to get it in | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | me too | 17:07 |
| thangp | rgerganov__: thx | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | we need a minesweeper run | 17:08 |
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| rgerganov__ | thangp: let me see if it is in the MS queue | 17:08 |
| thangp | rgerganov__: cool, thx | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | MS is coming back from an illness | 17:08 |
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| thangp | :D must be the winter storms we been having in the east coast | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | lol | 17:09 |
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| thangp | 6+ ft and counting | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | wow | 17:09 |
| rgerganov__ | :) | 17:09 |
| thangp | i hate snow | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | was about 75 farenheit here this weekend | 17:09 |
| thangp | very jealous | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | any other bugs to discuss? | 17:10 |
| thangp | not from me, thx | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | #topic open discussion | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | did you guys see gary | 17:10 |
| rgerganov__ | I guess he is on a conf call or something | 17:10 |
| thangp | will neutron support standard and distributed vswitch? | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | email about swithcing the time of this meeting to this time one week and a time better for EMEA the next week | 17:10 |
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| rgerganov__ | we talked during the day | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | no i hit return too fast | 17:11 |
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| tjones1 | i guess this time is ok for you - but there will be an alternate time. we also will talk about cinder, glance, etc - not just nova | 17:11 |
| rgerganov__ | I am +1 for this | 17:11 |
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| tjones1 | i think this will be good to consolidate the projects working on vmwareapi | 17:12 |
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| thangp | cool, +1 from me | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | that's all i wanted to mention | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | quit early then? | 17:12 |
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| thangp | sure :) | 17:12 |
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| rgerganov__ | sure | 17:13 |
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| tjones1 | ok thanks guys. talk next week | 17:13 |
| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:06 |
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| sarob | we will pass on this week's meeting | 18:06 |
| sarob | #action sarob will review sfo and tokyo trainer req next week | 18:07 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 19:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| peluse | me :) | 19:00 |
| mahatic | me too | 19:01 |
| cutforth | hola | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | 👈 | 19:01 |
| jrichli | here | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon report | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | last week was great! | 19:02 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 19:02 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://swiftstack.com/blog/2015/02/13/openstack-swift-hackathon/ | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://thiagodasilvablog.wordpress.com/2015/02/16/openstack-swift-mid-cycle-report/ | 19:02 |
| acoles | hello | 19:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ^^ had a really great writeup | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | I hope everyone made it back ok. for you on the US east coast, the weekend after you left it was about 70-75 here | 19:03 |
| tdasilva | :P | 19:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: that's _above_ zero | 19:03 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:03 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 19:03 |
| peluse | 80+ here | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | we are at 27 today! that's balmy | 19:04 |
| tdasilva | no wind, feels great | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so a lot of great stuff done. a lot of patches landed. a lot of great conversations continued and started about new stuff | 19:04 |
| cutforth | maybe CA will trade you some warmth for some water | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | anyway, just wanted to say thanks for coming and participating. and if you weren't there, you were missed | 19:05 |
| notmyname | I want to cover one big thing this week: EC | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #topic erasure codes | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | we're getting close to the openstack kilo release | 19:06 |
| notmyname | it's about 7-8 weeks away (until we need an RC for it) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | ie early/mid may | 19:06 |
| notmyname | err, sorry | 19:06 |
| notmyname | ie early/mid april | 19:06 |
| peluse | damn it | 19:07 |
| mattoliverau | peluse: no rest for you! :P | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | so, here's what I'm thinking | 19:07 |
| notmyname | first, at a high level, push to release an EC beta in the kilo release. this is something that works, at least from a functional and probe test sense, and would be ok in a lab environment | 19:08 |
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| peluse | and has great value for performance characterization | 19:08 |
| notmyname | of course | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | so what's needed to get there. first let's look at timelines | 19:08 |
| clayg | whoa, nice work tdasilva | 19:09 |
| notmyname | if we allow 2 weeks for a merge to master, that pushes us back to march 27 | 19:09 |
| notmyname | that's 5 weeks from now | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | so in those 5 weeks, there's a few major things to get done | 19:09 |
| notmyname | PUT path with the .durable files | 19:09 |
| notmyname | GET path | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | some refactoring on those to make them supportable in a code sense | 19:10 |
| tdasilva | clayg: thx | 19:10 |
| peluse | how about I add a new column to trello (or color on remaining items, something to make them stand out) as "must haves" for beta? | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | (eg separate ECObjectControllers) | 19:10 |
| notmyname | peluse: ya, that's good | 19:10 |
| notmyname | then there's the reconstructor | 19:10 |
| peluse | oh yeah, that | 19:10 |
| notmyname | if we have functional tests passing against an EC policy and probe tests passing against the reconstructor, I think we'll be in really good shape | 19:11 |
| clayg | tdasilva: s/week point/oppertunity to improve/ | 19:11 |
| notmyname | it's a bunch of work, but I think it's possible to get done | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | I've redone the priority reviews page to add EC up at the top | 19:12 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:12 |
| peluse | agree, I'd like to schedule some online meeting times for reviews as well to make sure the cirical ones stay moving if that's OK | 19:12 |
| notmyname | peluse: ok | 19:12 |
| peluse | also, note, I updated the EC section this morning so its current | 19:12 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:12 |
| peluse | I'll announce the dates/times in the channel and on trello, probably Fridays mid morning | 19:12 |
| notmyname | peluse: are you thinking in IRC or phone? | 19:13 |
| peluse | phone | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | ok. yes please announce that in IRC | 19:13 |
| peluse | also looking for a small face to face in Santa Clara in Mar for at least those working directly on the required elements for beta | 19:13 |
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| peluse | probably just 1 day | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | I tink the next 2 weeks are critical. if we have good momentum, then we have a good chance of getting EC done(ish) by kilo. if we don't make good progress, then it will be nearly impossible | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | so I expect to be able to make a call (as a group) in 2 weeks on an EC beta in kilo | 19:14 |
| peluse | I tink so too :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | which is really important to all of the non-devs involved in it as soon as it's released | 19:15 |
| notmyname | so.... | 19:15 |
| notmyname | what questions do you have? what concerns? | 19:15 |
| peluse | I'm all in. | 19:16 |
| notmyname | (this is where you start talking and not me ;-) | 19:16 |
| mattoliverau | I think its a sane way to move forward, lets try and get as far as we can in the next 2 weeks | 19:16 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: I think we have like 5 weeks to get proposed to master, 2 weeks to get merged, and then rc | 19:17 |
| notmyname | yes | 19:17 |
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| acoles | notmyname: will the propose to master be a chain, like with SP, or one big patch? | 19:17 |
| peluse | and everyone is good with a 'beta' tag where we are rock solid on the repl code paths that are touched by EC changes and clearly label EC policies as beta right? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: we can do whatever is needed. but I was thinking a chain like last time | 19:18 |
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| torgomatic | my big hope is that we get the on-disk data format right | 19:18 |
| clayg | acoles: tbd, but I think overall the chain idea "worked" but really only from a conceptual level - most people just reviewed the last patch and everything merged at once | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | we can always fix the code later | 19:18 |
| notmyname | one important part, for people writing and reviewing, is that anything we write down for EC needs to be versioned | 19:19 |
| clayg | acoles: one thing well do different is put the doc patch at the end so people can just push up grammer fixes without worrying about making the rest of the change need a rebase | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: yeah, but 2 weeks we make the call | 19:19 |
| peluse | wrt chain vs one big patch, it may very well be just 2-3 patches (small chain) so I wouldn't worry about that too much | 19:19 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: oh god | 19:19 |
| notmyname | eg new hashes.pkl? version it. new MIME doc/trailers? version it | 19:19 |
| peluse | version it | 19:19 |
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| acoles | clayg: yeah! the rebasing up the chain a pain to keep track of what had changed where | 19:20 |
| clayg | there's bound to be a meme for "stick a XXX on it" | 19:20 |
| notmyname | acoles: ya, we'll take the lesson from last time and put the docs at the end of the chain! | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | you could use birds for version designators, I suppose | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | version 'swallow', version 'kestrel', version 'albatross' | 19:20 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: swift, crow release with the bluebird protocol? | 19:20 |
| peluse | heh | 19:20 |
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| * torgomatic is especially fond of "albatross" for things that change the on-disk data format | 19:21 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: also, that sounds like an amusing and terrible idea ;-) | 19:21 |
| acoles | the eagle has landed | 19:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: in the openstack liberty release?! 'MURICA! | 19:21 |
| clayg | ... and ... next topic :P | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ya :-) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | #topic service tokens | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | acoles: you just added this to the agenda (after the meeting started! | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137086/ | 19:22 |
| clayg | acoles is sneaky | 19:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: ready for review? | 19:22 |
| acoles | ok, i just wanted to flag up that imho its ready for review | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | the agenda is eventually consistent | 19:22 |
| notmyname | great | 19:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: took words out my mouth | 19:22 |
| notmyname | review EC first. then service tokens ;-) | 19:22 |
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| clayg | lol | 19:22 |
| acoles | but as usual with stuff that relates to keystone there's some keystone setup to do to run the func tests | 19:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for working on that. it's a cool feature. and tell donagh thanks too | 19:23 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: thanks for providing a script, that'll help heaps for us non keystone guys :) | 19:23 |
| acoles | so i have put copiou notes on a gist | 19:23 |
| acoles | copious | 19:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: nice. we need to find all those keystone notes you have and get them on the wiki | 19:23 |
| * peluse needs to stwp away or just a few minutes... | 19:23 | |
| acoles | and if anyone is up for reviewing but needs help then ping me | 19:23 |
| notmyname | I slightly updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift so it auto links to any other page on the wiki that starts with "Swift" | 19:24 |
| * acoles realises he is up against EC for review-time ;) | 19:24 | |
| * acoles should say "donagh he is up against EC for review-time ;)" | 19:24 | |
| notmyname | acoles: anything else on service tokens for today? | 19:24 |
| acoles | notmyname: no, just flagging it up - can i add it to priority review or is that presumptious ;) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 19:25 |
| clayg | acoles: do it! | 19:25 |
| notmyname | acoles: ya, under the EC section | 19:25 |
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| clayg | also... it is presumptious - but I like that | 19:25 |
| notmyname | +1 | 19:25 |
| acoles | notmyname: under EC? | 19:26 |
| notmyname | below, I mean | 19:26 |
| notmyname | in the "swift general" section | 19:26 |
| acoles | notmyname: ah, that makes sense | 19:26 |
| acoles | i'm not so presumptious as to put it *above* :D | 19:26 |
| notmyname | I don't think we'll likely have a release between now and kilo, so as we get closer, I'll start a section for the next release | 19:26 |
| notmyname | #topic opther | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | #topic other | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | nothing else was added to the meeting agenda | 19:27 |
| notmyname | do you have anything else to bring up this week? | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | one thing... let me grab the link | 19:27 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:28 |
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| torgomatic | as noted in #openstack-swift earlier, https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/Presentation/openstack-is-doomed-and-it-is-your-fault is a potential presentation | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | go vote appropriately (I voted 3) | 19:28 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | that's all I have | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | (no, I have no affiliation with the author of that presentation) | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | (it just looks fun) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | and I think redbo will also really like it | 19:29 |
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| clayg | notmyname: is "won't fix" the correct status for "not really a bug" -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1133069 | 19:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1133069 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Concurrent uploads to same object" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 19:29 |
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| clayg | in that case cschwede (correctly) noted that 'this can't be "fixed" in the general sense' | 19:30 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:30 |
| clayg | but redbo had previously marked it as "meh, doesn't seem so unreasonable for the object server to do this best effort, but it's not a big priority" | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | clayg: there's also "invalid" as a status | 19:31 |
| clayg | and I agree that while *I'm* not planning on working on it, if someone wanted to figure out how to make hashdir cleanup return a boolean or something so the server can respond with 4xx if a more new timestamp slipped in while uploading to /tmp - it'd *review* it? | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | but won't fix is probably better IMO. "invalid" almost seems like it's not a thing | 19:31 |
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| clayg | hrmm.... i hate "won't fix" it's like the most asinine wording - like gerrit used to be "do not merge this" | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | clayg: that sounds like a great patch for after EC ;-) | 19:32 |
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| peluse | hell, throw it in the EC bucket :) | 19:32 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:32 |
| notmyname | peluse: no! cut scope for a beta! | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 19:33 |
| clayg | lol, it's not a priority to me at all - but mattoliverau was talking about cleaning up the bug list and christian was griping he never knows what's the right status - so I was wonder if there was a same page for us to get on? | 19:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: I don't want the spec's repo to be an "ideas board" -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151335/ | 19:33 |
| notmyname | as torgomatic the summit session voting is ongoing. there's some cool swift stuff | 19:33 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya I agree with that | 19:33 |
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| clayg | i don't care for the new interface, i keep loosing my place when I'm trying to work my way down a list of topics from a search term | 19:34 |
| notmyname | as discussed last week, we need to be better about bug triage. I'm working on that | 19:34 |
| notmyname | clayg: new tabs are the only answer | 19:34 |
| notmyname | and we'll get to the cleanup and status stuff | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | if there's anything else, please mention it soon. otherwise I'm closing the meeting in about 30 seconds | 19:36 |
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| torgomatic | short meetings are best meetings | 19:37 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift | 19:37 |
| peluse | ya | 19:37 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 19:37:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-18-19.00.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-18-19.00.txt | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-18-19.00.log.html | 19:37 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: (cc lbragstad) replied to your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145317/16/keystone/token/providers/klwt/utils.py but i left a couple questions in there for you | 21:35 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 22:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 22:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 22:00 |
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| sgordon | #topic roll call | 22:00 |
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| amitry | hola | 22:00 |
| sgordon | yo | 22:00 |
| cloudon | hi | 22:00 |
| jhaller | hi | 22:00 |
| aveiga | hello | 22:01 |
| sgordon | #topic Action items from last week | 22:02 |
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| sgordon | #info sgordon, adrian-hoban, cloudon, ian_ott, vks were to review SBC use case and leave comments in Gerrit | 22:02 |
| sgordon | seems we had some success with this | 22:02 |
| sgordon | plenty of comments inline in the review | 22:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152940/1 | 22:02 |
| sgordon | which connects to the other AI from last week | 22:02 |
| sgordon | #info mkoderer and sgordon were to work together on LP and repo creation | 22:03 |
| sgordon | mkoderer requested a repo and infra have merged that request here | 22:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155248/ | 22:03 |
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| sgordon | so in theory we now have the repo stackforge/telcowg-usecases to use | 22:03 |
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| sgordon | <insert lively discussion about how to structure that here> | 22:04 |
| aveiga | sgordon: is it worth trying to get it to build like -specs? Use rst markup and have it build an html doc, but still allow comments and +1? | 22:05 |
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| sgordon | probably since i think RST markup is going to make the most sense anyway | 22:05 |
| sgordon | i have no idea how that is set up though | 22:06 |
| aveiga | we can put structure around that to ensure at least a minimal set of headings as well | 22:06 |
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| sgordon | aveiga, do you want to take a stab at an RST template? | 22:07 |
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| aveiga | I can try | 22:07 |
| sgordon | #action aveiga to take first stab at an RST template for use cases | 22:08 |
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| sgordon | i will take the action to import what we have as reviews | 22:08 |
| sgordon | that will likely need to be molded to the template once we have one | 22:08 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to import existing use case proposals as gerrit reviews | 22:10 |
| sgordon | so the other topic that came up as a result of this is making sure that we have a clear workflow for the many contributors who may not be as familiar with the 'normal' openstack workflow | 22:11 |
| sgordon | so: | 22:11 |
| sgordon | Use case submission workflow | 22:11 |
| sgordon | Use case review workflow | 22:11 |
| sgordon | Use case update workflow | 22:11 |
| sgordon | i think there are probably three prongs to addressing this, written documentation (pointing to existing resources where feasible) | 22:12 |
| sgordon | walking through the process face to face (form of training / process verification) | 22:12 |
| sgordon | and ideally recording a run through | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | tom from the foundation reached out to me and confirmed we will have some time allocated during the operators mid-cycle | 22:13 |
| sgordon | i thought that might be a good opportunity for those of us in attendance to walk through one of the use cases | 22:14 |
| sgordon | including submitting it, reviewing it in gerrit, etc. | 22:14 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-telco | 22:14 |
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| sgordon | ok | 22:18 |
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| sgordon | #topic use cases | 22:18 |
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| sgordon | so i mentioned there have been some good comments on the session border controller use case proposal | 22:18 |
| sgordon | does anyone have any other updates to those that are still in the etherpads for now? | 22:19 |
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| sgordon | looks like there are still some good questions coming up on orchestration | 22:20 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 22:20 |
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| sgordon | #topic implementation | 22:21 |
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| sgordon | last week we talked about the feature freeze and exception requests | 22:21 |
| sgordon | the nova team went through theirs this week | 22:21 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-ffe-requests | 22:22 |
| sgordon | ^ full list | 22:22 |
| sgordon | specific to those we talked about the request for libvirt vhostuser was granted and it has merged | 22:22 |
| sgordon | does anyone have any other notable implementation related issues at this stage of the cycle? | 22:22 |
| sgordon | #topic other business | 22:24 |
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| sgordon | amitry, tom tells me registration is going well for the ops mid cycle | 22:24 |
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| sgordon | do we have any visibility into how many who intersect with this group are attending? | 22:24 |
| amitry | yes, I just asked for exactly that :) | 22:25 |
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| amitry | foundation has the registrations, we don't have direct access | 22:25 |
| sgordon | ok cool | 22:26 |
| sgordon | as i said somewhere up above tom has given us some time/space | 22:26 |
| sgordon | we can nail down ideas for how to use it here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-telco | 22:26 |
| sgordon | in saying that exactly which time/space is still being figured out - he just let me know that we would have some | 22:26 |
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| amitry | ok, we gave tom all the rooms and time slots - so I guess he has to work his magic :) | 22:27 |
| aveiga | do you want to discuss options for that now? | 22:27 |
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| aveiga | for the agenda and format, I mean | 22:27 |
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| sgordon | sure | 22:28 |
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| sgordon | so the things i had noted down were around nailing down workflow for submitting/reviewing/updating/use cases | 22:28 |
| aveiga | do you think it's better to use it as a "getting started" with the new workflow or to discuss issues and use cases? | 22:28 |
| aveiga | do we know how much time we'll have, or is taht still undecided | 22:29 |
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| sgordon | i think half and half ideally | 22:29 |
| sgordon | he indicated 90 mins | 22:29 |
| aveiga | ah, ok | 22:29 |
| aveiga | we should have enough time for both then | 22:29 |
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| sgordon | so a run through of the workflow | 22:29 |
| sgordon | then "let's actually do a few" | 22:29 |
| aveiga | it might be good to not just open the floor up to undocumented use cases yet, because that might spiral | 22:30 |
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| aveiga | and instead just direct people to put them into the reviews | 22:30 |
| sgordon | no i think we would go with the ones we have | 22:30 |
| sgordon | and trying to discuss them | 22:30 |
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| aveiga | it might be good to come up with some guidance on them too. Especially considering a lot of different backgrounds are going to come together in the same place and possible not communicate well with each other | 22:31 |
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| sgordon | indeed | 22:32 |
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| sgordon | what kind of guidance did you have in mind | 22:32 |
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| sgordon | (i am also taking some notes in that ether pad here) | 22:33 |
| aveiga | things like spelling out acronyms, giving a description for specialized gear/services, or linking to standards groups where possible for a given protocol or function | 22:33 |
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| aveiga | things that would help explain the gaps between an OpenStack dev and what a Telco might consider domain specific info | 22:33 |
| amitry | maybe some guidance as to what land on top of openstack versus within openstack? | 22:34 |
| aveiga | +1 | 22:34 |
| sgordon | all good points, noting in the etherpad | 22:35 |
| sgordon | i think that is good for now | 22:36 |
| sgordon | again rough framework here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-telco | 22:36 |
| sgordon | we will probably want to identify which existing proposals we want to try get through ahead of time | 22:37 |
| aveiga | maybe in next week's meeting? Assuming I can get the template together, we should at least have those selected use cases migrated into the review system ahead of time | 22:37 |
| sgordon | yeah | 22:38 |
| sgordon | agree | 22:38 |
| sgordon | #action all need to identify use cases for mid cycle discussion | 22:38 |
| sgordon | just recording that so i dont forget when i frame agenda next week | 22:38 |
| sgordon | ok | 22:39 |
| sgordon | i dont have anything further to add for today | 22:39 |
| sgordon | anyone else? | 22:39 |
| aveiga | not I | 22:39 |
| amitry | nor I | 22:39 |
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| sgordon | ok | 22:41 |
| sgordon | thanks all! | 22:41 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 22:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 22:41:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-18-22.00.html | 22:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-18-22.00.txt | 22:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-18-22.00.log.html | 22:41 |
| aveiga | thanks, sgordon | 22:41 |
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| dttocs | product-wg meeting now, or am I confused? | 23:13 |
| rolandchan | Not confused, it's supposed to be happening. | 23:13 |
| barrett1 | I thought so too | 23:15 |
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| dttocs | I see sarob just joined. | 23:18 |
| dttocs | I wanted to discuss progress on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization, not sure what other topics are on the agenda | 23:20 |
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| narenhn | Hey Mike | 23:25 |
| narenhn | seems like no one here from the product WG | 23:25 |
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| jrhort | is there a call number to dial in to for the product WG? | 23:25 |
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| narenhn | jrhort - no idea | 23:25 |
| dttocs | There are several people here, but no meeting agenda I've seen so far | 23:25 |
| barrett1 | I'm here for that meeting too. But don't see an agenda, etc. Don't think there is a phone number | 23:25 |
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| rolandchan | afaik it is IRC only. | 23:26 |
| mscohen | i thought i was late for the product WG meeting. guess not… | 23:26 |
| jrhort | I too thought I was late, came in not that long ago | 23:26 |
| rolandchan | In the absence of anything else happening, shall we discuss the socialisation progress? | 23:26 |
| narenhn | i joined around 3. no traffic at all about the PWG mtg | 23:27 |
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| geoffarnold | Sure | 23:27 |
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| geoffarnold | Also plans for Philly | 23:27 |
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| jrhort | Anyone was at the first meeting? | 23:27 |
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| dttocs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization is tracking etherpad if people don't have it handy | 23:28 |
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| sarob | i am so sorry guys | 23:28 |
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| barrett1 | Is anyone taking the info in the etherpad and creating document or picture that would reflect the roadmap? | 23:28 |
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| sarob | im at the linux collaboration summit and time got away from me | 23:29 |
| dttocs | I think at this point we're still gathering information. | 23:29 |
| sarob | how about i start the up the meeting robot? | 23:29 |
| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:29 |
| barrett1 | There's lots of info in the etherpad that could be a start and then add in the details for the remaining projects | 23:29 |
| dttocs | Please do. | 23:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 23:29:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:29 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:30 |
| sarob | agenda | 23:30 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 23:30 |
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| * sarob bad | 23:31 | |
| dttocs | First proposed agenda topic was socialization tracked at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization if people don't have it handy | 23:31 |
| mscohen | we are making some progress on this front | 23:31 |
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| mscohen | also have a talk submitted for it for the summit | 23:32 |
| sarob | mscohen: i saw that | 23:32 |
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| sarob | mscohen: so how should we communicate what you have learned? | 23:32 |
| dttocs | I don't think we should be presenting this at the summit as a "roadmap" although that's what we've currently called the session https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver//Presentation/whats-next-in-openstack-a-glimpse-at-the-roadmap | 23:32 |
| mscohen | i can tweak the name. what do you suggest? | 23:33 |
| mscohen | at least i think i still can | 23:33 |
| geoffarnold | More about "developing a roadmap" | 23:33 |
| geoffarnold | Don't want to claim it's done | 23:33 |
| sarob | you could leave the name but | 23:34 |
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| sarob | report back on what the ptls have given you as the "roadmap" | 23:34 |
| mscohen | could also say its a glimpse at “what’s coming next” | 23:34 |
| mscohen | or remove word roadmap | 23:35 |
| dttocs | I think it's fine for the voting, we can tweak it later based on what we produce. The text is great. | 23:35 |
| mscohen | ok. i’m not married to any of that at all. | 23:36 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 23:36 |
| dttocs | I think we should consolidate what we have (or will have over then next week) and share it back with the PTLs so they can see what their peers are sharing | 23:37 |
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| barrett1 | +1 | 23:37 |
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| sarob | i like that | 23:37 |
| mscohen | yeah, it makes sense. should make sure we have enough real material here as well. | 23:38 |
| mscohen | i’m willing to be the defacto one to take the first cut unless someone else from teh group wants to. I’d be MORE than happy to let someone else take the lead. | 23:39 |
| dttocs | I'm happy to work on first cut as well, although ideally I'd like to see a few more responses. | 23:40 |
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| sarob | mscohen: i think its you my friend | 23:40 |
| dttocs | @narennh you've reached out to your targets, do you have responses you can share in the Etherpad? | 23:40 |
| mscohen | k. i will do it. | 23:40 |
| sarob | i like the talk abstract | 23:42 |
| dttocs | I'm happy to work with you on it if you wish Mike | 23:42 |
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| mscohen | great | 23:43 |
| sarob | should i go next? | 23:43 |
| geoffarnold | sure | 23:44 |
| dttocs | +1 | 23:44 |
| sarob | i have been discussing the "process" with many different types of people | 23:44 |
| narenhn | dttocs: i will document keystone today | 23:45 |
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| narenhn | no response from Mike for Cinder | 23:45 |
| narenhn | any ideas on how to reach out to the PTL for a response would be helpful | 23:45 |
| sarob | #action mscohen dttocs will take a first cut at explaining the PTL gathered information | 23:45 |
| dttocs | narenhn: I had some success ambushing the PTL on IRC - more effective than email. Or join their weekly meeting and ask afterwards | 23:46 |
| clarkb | narenhn: ya just ping thingee | 23:47 |
| narenhn | dttocs: got it.. will do | 23:47 |
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| dttocs | sarob: back to "the process" now? | 23:47 |
| geoffarnold | BTW, Shamail is on vacation this week; just sent his apologies | 23:48 |
| sarob | there is broad acceptance of the product team filling the gap | 23:48 |
| sarob | the board is getting interested in the gap working groups | 23:48 |
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| sarob | i havent updated the process flow since the meeting | 23:49 |
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| sarob | i need to create a gdraw and post to the wiki | 23:49 |
| sarob | #action sarob update product team roadmap workflow and post to wiki | 23:50 |
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| shamail | Hi all, sorry for being late. I am on vacation and forgot about this invite. | 23:50 |
| sarob | the board will be discussing | 23:50 |
| sarob | shamail:np | 23:50 |
| * sarob was late too :( | 23:51 | |
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| sarob | at the next meeting | 23:51 |
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| dttocs | sarob: when you say "the board is getting interested in the gap working groups" do you mean the gap between WGs and projects/PTLs? | 23:51 |
| sarob | where openstack fits into the software defined space over the next few years | 23:51 |
| sarob | dttocs: interested in that, they want to understand and support | 23:52 |
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| sarob | as the board starts to talk about that, it will allow the roadmap to have some definition | 23:53 |
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| sarob | fits and gaps for the strategic direction of the foundation | 23:53 |
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| sarob | i still see the process as user stories from win the enterprise and others | 23:54 |
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| sarob | turn into features | 23:54 |
| geoffarnold | That's one source | 23:54 |
| shamail | Sarob: does this mean that the board will be more involved in the activities of WGs? Or are they setting the long-term definition and looking for others to determine the necessary steps/changes to align with it? | 23:54 |
| sarob | shamail: working groups are by definition not committees so not part of the board | 23:55 |
| sarob | shamail: but as the board | 23:55 |
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| geoffarnold | Or will the board simply encourage WGs to channel their inputs through PM? | 23:56 |
| sarob | shamail: is responsible for governace and strategy | 23:56 |
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| sarob | geoffarnold: much like the board will want to encourage support of various working groups that move openstack forward | 23:57 |
| sarob | geoffarnold: but decision making for the working groups doesnt come from the board | 23:57 |
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| sarob | geoffarnold: board members can still support working groups with time and people though | 23:58 |
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| shamail | Thanks Sarob. I was confused because at the mid cycle we chose to collaborate with PTLs + TC and not interact with BoD since they would not be involved in the definition of the roadmap. I am trying to understand whether your statement has any impact on BoD inclusion in the "cross project solicitation" of the PM readout. | 23:58 |
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| sarob | shamail: whats "BoD inclusion in the "cross project solicitation" of the PM readout" mean? | 23:59 |
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