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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 15:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | who's all on for the ceilo meeting today? | 15:01 |
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| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| prad | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo-3 | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:02 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: Rohit and I prepared a deck to explain in details how the pipeline db works across the board | 15:02 |
| eglynn | looks good in terms of BP progress | 15:02 |
| eglynn | fabiog: that would be excellent | 15:02 |
| fabiog | eglynn: here it is the link and I hope it helps reviewers: http://www.slideshare.net/FabioGiannetti/ceilometer-pipeline-db-storage | 15:02 |
| eglynn | fabiog: is that linked in a gerrit comment | 15:02 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:02 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: we can probably close edwin's story right? | 15:03 |
| fabiog | eglynn: is not, but I can definitely add, let me do it now | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: could add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/power-thermal-data into kilo-3, looks like patch is being under review | 15:03 |
| eglynn | fabiog: pls do, thanks! | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: targetting now | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: yeah, self-disabled-pollster should be completed | 15:03 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: cool cool | 15:04 |
| prad | are we tracking gnocchi bps as part of k3? | 15:04 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: thx | 15:04 |
| eglynn | prad: not on ceilometer launchpad, on the separate gnocchi LP | 15:04 |
| prad | ok, thx | 15:05 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: so https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/self-disabled-pollster is completed? | 15:05 |
| * eglynn marks as implemented | 15:05 | |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: I think so, at least for kilo-3 | 15:06 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: do you know if igor/ilya are planning to put up code/spec for event/sample generator/bracketer work? | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ok biggest outstanding chunk is the pipeline config in DB ... that slidedeck should help expedite reviewing | 15:06 |
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| llu-laptop | fabiog: is the slideshare link correct? looks like I can't open the link | 15:08 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: worked for me | 15:08 |
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| gordc | i will follow up with them later i guess. | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | ok, maybe my isp issue. will try that tomorrow in office | 15:09 |
| _elena_ | from Dina Belova: yep, they were going to publish it this week, but probably they’ll do that early next week | 15:09 |
| gordc | _elena_: awesome! thanks for the update. | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | _elena_, DinaBelova: the feature proposal freeze is supposed to be Mar 5th, so the spec review would need be followed on pretty quickly by actual code if it's to make kilo-3 | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | move on from k3? | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | #topic revisit asyncio/trollious discussion | 15:12 |
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| _elena_ | eglynn, yes, guys know this and will hurry | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | idea was to revisit this discussion from last week, as some of the folks likely in favor weren't present | 15:13 |
| eglynn | so I've discussed this a bit with haypo also off-line | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | haypo has started working on a fork https://github.com/haypo/ceilometer | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | also I had misunderstood a crucial point last week | 15:15 |
| haypo | you can take a look at commits if you would like to have an idea of the required changes to switch from eventlet to trollius | 15:15 |
| eglynn | threads and asyncio are not intended to be mutually exclusive | 15:15 |
| haypo | but the final code may be simpler, currently it's a mix between eventlet and trollius :) | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | the choice to replace eventlet is rather between threads alone (as advocated by Josh Harlow) or asyncio+threads (as advocated by haypo) | 15:16 |
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| haypo | eglynn: currently, i'm running the RPC listener and the notification listener in threads, because oslo messaging still use blocking calls (sock.recv) | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | haypo: so we can also continue to use threads for example for the DB access, which was one concern last week | 15:17 |
| haypo | it's simple to call a blocking function in a thread: loop.run_in_executor(None, func) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | (the concern about DB access led to the suggestion that the notification-agent, as opposed to the collector, would be the best place to start) | 15:18 |
| haypo | eglynn: you may start with threads, in switch to fully asynchronous code a few years later, if it's simpler and/or faster | 15:18 |
| eglynn | yep, so no need to jump straight to asyncio-aware mongo/redis/sql-a client libs, right? | 15:18 |
| haypo | eglynn: yes | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | and that seems to mitigate the risk/impact of this change | 15:19 |
| haypo | eglynn: i would like to add a new storage implementation with the asyncio client for redis, to compare performances, but i'm not sure that i will have time for that ;) | 15:19 |
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| haypo | hum, mongo, nor redis | 15:20 |
| cdent | I still have this vague feeling that we've never really established fully why people went with eventlet in the first place. That is: why wasn't horizontal scaling by process (and things like wsgi containers) the way things went? | 15:20 |
| haypo | (i understood that redis uses tooz, but it may require to change tooz too, i didn't check) | 15:20 |
| eglynn | haypo: cool ... BTW the redis usage is in oslo/tooz, as opposed to ceilometer proper | 15:20 |
| eglynn | cdent: in the wiki fossil record there's some justification for the original change from twisted to eventlet | 15:21 |
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| cdent | yes, but using twisted in the first place was...twisted ;) | 15:21 |
| haypo | cdent: twisted/eventlet are used for performances when must of the time is spent to wait for I/O | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedServiceArchitecture#eventlet_vs_Twisted | 15:22 |
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| haypo | cdent: eventlet is easier to use than twisted, twisted is mostly based on callbacks, which is not very fun | 15:22 |
| cdent | Yes, I know haypo, and the evidence is thing on the ground that a lot of waiting on I/O is happening | 15:22 |
| cdent | s/thing/thin/ | 15:22 |
| cdent | it may be true, but I haven't seen the _evidence_ | 15:22 |
| cdent | nor have I see the evidence that operating system based methods for handling concurrency are inferior to those provided by python | 15:23 |
| cdent | we've seen that keystone's api server is switching to no eventlet | 15:23 |
| cdent | because they realized if they just hork the thing under mod wsgi or uwsgi it "just works" | 15:23 |
| haypo | cdent: for the specific case of python, threads are not as fast as expected, because of the GIL | 15:23 |
| * cdent hasn't mentioned threads | 15:24 | |
| cdent | Look, let me reset: I have nothing against exploring asyncio, or even choosing to use it. What I'm worried about is that it seems to be a drive to solve a problem that hasn't been well explored/defined. | 15:24 |
| cdent | We're _assuming_ concurrency problems, as far as I can tell. | 15:25 |
| haypo | cdent: usually, horizontal scaling in a single host means multiple processes and multiple threads | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: I'm not sure that keystone is directly comparable to say nova, i.e. does it do much apart from the synchronous API request/response call pattern? | 15:25 |
| cdent | multiple threads, yes, but not within the python code | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: i.e. no async workflows based on RPC | 15:25 |
| eglynn | (IIUC) | 15:25 |
| cdent | I'm not sure either eglynn. I'm saying: Let's be more sure. | 15:25 |
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| cdent | that's _all_ | 15:26 |
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| haypo | i read that keystone is mostly CPU-bound because it uses a lot of crypto functions | 15:26 |
| eglynn | yep, that too | 15:26 |
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| haypo | cdent: for API deamons, i suggested to rely on web servers to spawn processes/threads/whatever, and just write regular "blocking" code | 15:26 |
| * linuxhermit agrees | 15:27 | |
| haypo | i'm more interested by other daemons ;) | 15:27 |
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| cdent | yes, me too, show me the profiling data | 15:27 |
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| cdent | (or at least be prepared to show comparative benchmarks later) | 15:28 |
| cdent | I think it would be better to investigate first, though. | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | cdent: can we get realistic profiling data as things currently stand, seeing as eventlet monkey-patching arranges for the services not to be blocked waiting on I/O in general? | 15:29 |
| cdent | I have to say that I'm really surprised that I'm getting resistance on this issue. Isn't this the sort of thing we're supposed to do to do our work well? | 15:29 |
| cdent | I don't know, but I haven't heard of anyone trying. | 15:30 |
| eglynn | i.e. would we need to revert to a completely non-async approach to know how I/O bound these processes would be in the absence of eventlet/asyncio etc. | 15:30 |
| haypo | cdent: my plan is to port ceilometer to asyncio. then we will have two implementations of ceilometer, i will be easier to compare performances and estimate the number of modified lines (just compute the diff) | 15:30 |
| gordc | is this being applied to oslo.messaging as well? | 15:31 |
| cdent | Yes, haypo, and as I've said elsewhere, that's a fine plan as long as it has checkpoints along the way: "I did service X and it went well, see this data, so I'm continuing on to service Y" | 15:31 |
| eglynn | gordc: yep, executor already landed there IIUC | 15:31 |
| haypo | gordc: oslo messaging has already an "aioeventlet" executor. basically, it means that you can already play with asyncio and oslo messaging | 15:31 |
| cdent | I'm not saying "don't do this", I'm saying "do this with data and analysis" | 15:31 |
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| cdent | If you're planning to do the data and analysis, more power to you, please carry on, let us know how it goes, god speed. | 15:32 |
| gordc | eglynn: i see. is there any way to test oslo.messaging? i would think a lot of the actual work in ceilometer is really handled by oslo.messaging. | 15:32 |
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| cdent | I suspect you are right gordc | 15:33 |
| gordc | or is it not a simple "switch oslo.messaging executor" | 15:33 |
| haypo | cdent: i don't really care of performances. i expect "good" performances, but maybe not the best performances. my first concern is to get rid of all issues related to monkey patching | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | haypo: comparable performance at least, surely? | 15:33 |
| haypo | cdent: but i understand that nobody wants a slower ceilometer (because "it just works" currently, no change is needed ;)) | 15:33 |
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| cdent | It doesn't work all that well now. | 15:34 |
| haypo | well, i don't see why asyncio would be X times slower than asyncio. it has a very similar design (event loop) | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | haypo: can you give gordc some pointers on testing oslo-messaging with asyncio executor? (in isolation to your other changes) | 15:35 |
| cdent | And I'm not strictly concerned with performance either. I'm worried about replacing annoying eventlet idioms with annoying asyncio idioms when we haven't got good data on the necessity of non-blocking io. | 15:35 |
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| * cdent suspects we can achieve asynchrony at process boundaries between services | 15:35 | |
| haypo | gordc, eglynn : here is my commit to switch to aioeventlet executor, https://github.com/haypo/ceilometer/commit/c552d98508ee4ce9678ac581d579aea05cb798f5 | 15:36 |
| gordc | haypo: is step one read your mailing list post? i put it aside and forgot to start reading again. | 15:36 |
| gordc | haypo: oh... seems simple enough :) | 15:36 |
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| haypo | (i expect the aioeventlet to be a temporary solution, because it still uses eventlet. i would like to replace it with a regular asyncio executor later) | 15:36 |
| haypo | gordc: yeah, you see, it doesn't mean "rewriting ceilometer from scratch" :-) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | cdent: how would "asynchrony at process boundaries" map into the ceilometer archiecture? | 15:37 |
| haypo | gordc: it looks like ceilometer-collector still works in my branch, even if i disabled monkey-patching! | 15:37 |
| haypo | cdent: you cannot get concurrency for free | 15:37 |
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| haypo | cdent: concurrency is a complex problem, especially if you expect performances ;) | 15:38 |
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| cdent | haypro: I know. We've all got some expertise here. | 15:38 |
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| cdent | eglynn: the collector is a good example: we run multiples of those listening on the bus | 15:39 |
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| cdent | the fact that we have a bus means that we can have many producers and consumers on it | 15:39 |
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| haypo | gordc: the asyncio branch of ceilometer is already the second step on my overall plan, search for "second part" in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153298/3/specs/asyncio.rst | 15:40 |
| haypo | gordc: the last part should be quick | 15:40 |
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| cdent | I think we've belabored the point enough. There's no reason for the work not go on and for us to see how it works out. I think it is a worthwhile exploration. | 15:41 |
| eglynn | replication at the process-level with effectively single-threaded collectors feels very old school | 15:41 |
| gordc | haypo: cool cool. i don't really have a strong opinion either way right now. i'll take a read through | 15:41 |
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| haypo | cdent: i agree that the spec was discussed enough :) now it's time to review the code, but please wait until i write it :-D | 15:42 |
| cdent | If we think it is crap we can always just not merge it. If it is awesome, then great. | 15:42 |
| eglynn | so it seems we're slowly approaching a better of understanding of what haypo is trying to acheive here and how intrusive the change will be | 15:42 |
| haypo | cdent: yeah, that's why i chose to develop in a new branch: just ignore it if you don't like it ;) | 15:42 |
| gordc | eglynn: yep | 15:42 |
| cdent | eglynn: it may be old school but it results in python code that is easy to maintain, the complexity is kept elsewhere | 15:43 |
| haypo | don't hesitate to ask me directly more specific questions if you want ;) | 15:43 |
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| haypo | cdent: concurrency is a hot topic :) joshua proposed to use threads. someone else proposes go coroutines :-p | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | the fact that this work is being done on a branch means low risk of ongoing distruption to the core ... plus will provide a working illustration/proof-point before anything is merged | 15:44 |
| eglynn | both plus-points | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | so conclusion is guarded support for haypo to proceed on his fork? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | (with the option not to merge, if it looks like a big perf or code-complexity penalty) | 15:45 |
| gordc | cool with me. | 15:46 |
| * cdent agrees | 15:46 | |
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| eglynn | coolness, thanks | 15:46 |
| gordc | this is for L* cycle? | 15:46 |
| haypo | my branch may also help to identify the code where concurrency matters | 15:46 |
| haypo | gordc: yes | 15:46 |
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| haypo | gordc: it's probably to late for Kilo | 15:46 |
| haypo | too* | 15:47 |
| gordc | haypo: cool cool. just wanted to confirm how i should schedule review time. | 15:47 |
| eglynn | thanks for the input haypo | 15:47 |
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| gordc | agreed thanks for knowledge drop | 15:48 |
| haypo | you're welcome | 15:48 |
| eglynn | #topic gnocchi status | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | recent patches landed https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | no owner yet for the data store migration story | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | OK, nothing else to report? | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | one thing worth mentioning is that /em broke the world with that 1.0.13 python-ceiloclient release | 15:51 |
| gordc | :) | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | heat wanted a new release so I went ahead and cut it without thinking about SEMVER | 15:52 |
| cdent | ah, that was you, huh? | 15:52 |
| gordc | i think we were just the first ones to relase client with updated keystoneclient req | 15:52 |
| eglynn | in future we'll need to reserve z-bumps for truely compat changes only | 15:52 |
| eglynn | cdent: yeap, mea culpa | 15:52 |
| * eglynn hangs head ... | 15:53 | |
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| fabiog | eglynn: Errare humanum est | 15:53 |
| fabiog | :-) | 15:53 |
| * gordc breaks gate on every pycadf release. keeps qa/infra team on their toes. | 15:53 | |
| linuxhermit | :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | fabiog: my Latin is rusty, but I get the gist :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | anything else to discuss? | 15:55 |
| eglynn | k, let's call it a wrap ... thanks folks for your time! | 15:56 |
| linuxhermit | cya | 15:56 |
| gordc | peace | 15:56 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:56 |
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| * cdent waves | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 15:56:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-26-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| fabiog | ciao | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-26-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-26-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 17:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 17:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_February_26th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | kinda full | 17:02 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf, hogepodge: around? | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets get started | 17:03 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 17:03 |
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| dpaterson | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | So does anyone have an open spec they'd like to dicuss? | 17:03 |
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| dpaterson | I've been looking for feedback on: | 17:04 |
| dpaterson | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138785/ | 17:04 |
| k4n0 | o/ | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138785/ | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: oh, sorry I've been meaning to review that | 17:04 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish> np | 17:05 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 17:05 |
| afazekas | Can this check can be part of the hacking/pep8 ? | 17:05 |
| k4n0 | o/ | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: the spec? | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: so I'll try to take a detailed look at it today or tomorrow | 17:05 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: danke | 17:06 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: The check for unique tag | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: but the proposal was to start with a --help output and work backwards I think we'll probably bikeshed on that for a bit :) | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: you're jumping the gun a bit... | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to add on the dpaterson's tempest cli spec? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | or another spec to raise | 17:07 |
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| sdague | my quick look at dpaterson's spec looks good | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there isn't anything else lets move on | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | before I open the discussion to all bp's, hogepodge put one on the agenda | 17:09 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: do you mean the uuid or interop topic? | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: the uuid bp | 17:10 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157273/ | 17:10 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish: sorry, my prev comments was related to this | 17:10 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: and I have been working on implementing uuid tagging and checks | 17:10 |
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| hogepodge | afazekas: pep8 becomes problematic. It only has lookbehind for one step, which means that you then have to start enforcing ordering of decorators if you require more than one. | 17:11 |
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| afazekas | hogepodge: As I remember in pep8 module you can have a `global` set, and you can cry if the uuid is repeated or missing | 17:12 |
| sdague | hogepodge: yeh, I think a separate tool is probably fine for now, but I think it should live under the pep8 tox taret | 17:13 |
| hogepodge | afazekas: parameters to functions are also sanitized. You get back 'xxxxx' instead of the actual value. | 17:13 |
| sdague | target | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah, that's the plan it'll be called in the tox pep8 target | 17:13 |
| sdague | mtreinish: well... it's not in that patch | 17:13 |
| hogepodge | afazekas: So unless I was doing it wrong, I don't think that uniqueness can even be considered in pep8 | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well we can't turn on enforcement until the decorators are added | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | I asked them to push the tool up before that | 17:14 |
| sdague | oh, ok | 17:14 |
| sdague | I change my vote then :) | 17:14 |
| hogepodge | I'm ready to send up a large patch with all of the tests tagged. | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: it was just so we could review the tool and make sure it looked sane before we made it gating | 17:15 |
| sdague | yeh, my cursory look is that it's probably good enough for this, I think move the ball forward and land it, and improve over time | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure | 17:15 |
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| afazekas | sdague: +1 | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: do we have the decorator code yet? | 17:16 |
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| hogepodge | sdague: Yes, I feel the same. It's taken us so long to get here, and I've been getting feedback that uuids are blocking others refactoring work. I don't want to block. | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | ignore me, I should look at the latest rev | 17:16 |
| sdague | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157273/19/tempest/test.py,cm | 17:16 |
| sdague | yes | 17:16 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: sslypushenko__ added it last night | 17:16 |
| sdague | hogepodge: you have my +2 | 17:16 |
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| hogepodge | thanks sdague | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: ok, so once the tool patch lands (which will probably be today) we probably should push the patch up soon after | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | and we can fast approve it through | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | and also update the ML post saying we're doing it so probably rebases aplenty | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: It'll be my first priority. It takes moments to tag the entire tree. | 17:18 |
| sdague | just add it to the series | 17:18 |
| sdague | with the tox change | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that works | 17:19 |
| sdague | so it can come whenever | 17:19 |
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| k4n0 | hogepodge, I can help | 17:19 |
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| hogepodge | thanks k4n0 | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on the uuid bp? | 17:20 |
| sslypushenko__ | one question | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | sslypushenko__: ok | 17:21 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Is it necessary to add functiona ltests fot check tool? or manual tests are enough? | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | sslypushenko__: I think manual testing is fine to start, once it's enforcing it'll be self gating to an extent | 17:22 |
| sslypushenko__ | Ok | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | unit tests would be nice eventually, but since it lives in the tools dir that gets tricky | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | but either way at this point I don't think we should block on that | 17:22 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I that case functional tests are more preferable | 17:23 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I can add it in other patch | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | sslypushenko__: ok cool | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps to discuss? | 17:24 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: just that unwritten proposal I have for the interop tag | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: yeah, I left that as a separate topic later on the agenda | 17:25 |
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| hogepodge | ok, thanks. sry | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: so devstack | 17:25 |
| dtroyer | so devstack | 17:26 |
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| dtroyer | I've got the first working version of venvs for Keystone and Glance up, Cinder and Nova have some issues with rootwrap that I'm still working on | 17:27 |
| sdague | dtroyer: so... the keystone patch, venvs are mandatory there? | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | as a side note, https://review.openstack.org/158376 is a Grenade patch that all of these require so Grenade can duplicate the install sequence | 17:27 |
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| sdague | that was my only concern in looking at it this morning | 17:27 |
| afazekas | dtroyer: the venv looks like not an optional thing after the change, is it by intention or it is bug ? | 17:28 |
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| dtroyer | sdague: so far, it defaults to individual venvs, but it is totally user-specified based on the value in PROJECT_VENV for each project | 17:28 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: could we have a global switch for using venvs or not? | 17:28 |
| sdague | so that we don't disrupt current testing while we get this in place | 17:29 |
| sdague | and that we can try things like turning off requirements enforcement once we have venvs and see how that works | 17:29 |
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| dtroyer | we could, sure. I think doing it incrementally might have some benefit though | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | should I mash these all into a single review? they generally arent' that big for each service | 17:30 |
| sdague | maybe, except if we're completely changing this with no ability to do system install at all, it's probably something we should raise more visibly at the cross project meeting | 17:30 |
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| sdague | vs. an optional path that we can get some data on | 17:30 |
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| dtroyer | it isn't forces, it's just on by default so I can test it... | 17:31 |
| sdague | oh, so is there a flag to throw in d-g to turn it off for the gate? | 17:31 |
| dtroyer | not a single one, we can add one | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | sdague: isn't it a per service flag? | 17:32 |
| dtroyer | it's all driven by PROJECT_VENV ATM | 17:32 |
| sdague | mtreinish: right, but it seems like "I want global install" shouldn't require 20 unsets? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure | 17:33 |
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| dtroyer | so we can add one | 17:33 |
| sdague | dtroyer: awesome, then I'm ready to approve stuff in | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so you're proposing that in front of the add venv for X patches, we throw up a global use system install option | 17:34 |
| sdague | yeh | 17:34 |
| sdague | and that we actually set that as the default for now | 17:34 |
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| sdague | then have another job on devstack which is venv default | 17:34 |
| sdague | so we can see that these changes are working, and what the fallout is | 17:34 |
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| sdague | especially as I think one of the huge benefits is to not do g-r sync on the venv side | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I'm fine with that | 17:36 |
| sdague | at which point we take it to cross project meeting and say, we should do this instead of g-r, which has become too big to maintain anyway | 17:36 |
| sdague | and just don't surprise everyone too badly with it | 17:36 |
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| pennerc | o/ | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: does sdague's suggested plan work for you? | 17:37 |
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| dtroyer | yes | 17:38 |
| sdague | \o/ | 17:38 |
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| dtroyer | the only other thing I had was the milestone tagging that we started this week retroactively…sdague, want to fill in the background there? | 17:38 |
| sdague | oh, sure | 17:38 |
| sdague | the neutron functional tests use devstack functions, but not stack.sh | 17:39 |
| sdague | which isn't really a stable interface | 17:39 |
| afazekas | I have a question regarding to cinder/iscsi/ devstack, Can we make the lioadm driver default instead of the tgtadm ? | 17:39 |
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| sdague | there was a cogating failure issue for a while | 17:39 |
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| sdague | but at the end of the day, cogating really doesn't seem right here, because these are devstack internals | 17:40 |
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| sdague | so instead, marun and I came up with tagging devstack at milestones | 17:40 |
| sdague | so if people want to use internals, they have use a fixed reference tag | 17:40 |
| sdague | s/have/can/ | 17:40 |
| marun | :) | 17:40 |
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| sdague | then they can roll forward on their own time table, as it's a fixed point | 17:41 |
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| sdague | which gives us loose coupling | 17:41 |
| sdague | which is nice | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: sure I guess that works | 17:41 |
| dtroyer | Eventually I would like to define these internals that are useful and maybe even make real interfaces there…more than just what Grenade uses | 17:41 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: agreed, and we'd have tests on those interfaces at that point | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: heh, yeah that's a good plan long term | 17:42 |
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| dtroyer | devstack-lib is born ;) | 17:42 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:42 |
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| sdague | but I think this nicely solves the current situation without extra cogating friction | 17:42 |
| sdague | anyway, that's that | 17:43 |
| sdague | afazekas: on lioadm, how does the cinder team feel about it? | 17:43 |
| cdent | I momentarily read that as cogitating friction, which is probably equally true. | 17:43 |
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| sdague | I'd want thingee or jgriffith to comment on a default change like that | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | cdent: heh | 17:43 |
| afazekas | sdague, "next cycle" 2 cycles before: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77630/ | 17:43 |
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| sdague | afazekas: ok, can you get thingee and jgriffith to +1 that patch | 17:44 |
| afazekas | sdague: looks like it also would require grenade change | 17:44 |
| sdague | then I'm good with it | 17:44 |
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| afazekas | sdague: ok I'll ping them | 17:44 |
| sdague | yeh, well lets get cinder folks on board first | 17:44 |
| dtroyer | conceptually I'm fine with it too | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on devstack? | 17:45 |
| sdague | yeh, tgt didn't even have init scripts in ubuntu for a long time | 17:45 |
| sdague | nope | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok then with ~15min left lets move on | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Codifying test removal procedure: (mtreinish) | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | so this is something I wanted to bring up briefly | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | in paris we outlined steps for removing tests from tempest in anticipation of people spinning up functional testing | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | this past week that's started to happen | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | so I figured we should probably codify the rules somewhere | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/Tempest-test-removal | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | which is basically the summary from the paris session on this | 17:47 |
| k4n0 | where are the individual projects discussing this? | 17:47 |
| dkranz | k4n0: in their project meetings/interactions | 17:47 |
| sdague | so I proposed - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158852/ | 17:48 |
| k4n0 | dkranz, ok thanks | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | if there is a proposal from anyone to remove a test from tempest we should push it through that filter | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure, I pushed up a -2 to force you to add it to the etherepad :) | 17:48 |
| k4n0 | mtreinish, how to put a proposal? via a spec? | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | k4n0: irc, patch, etc. | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | a spec is too heavyweight | 17:48 |
| k4n0 | mtreinish, ok thanks | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | if we want to make the first meeting of everyone month be dedicated to this that would be the next meeting | 17:49 |
| sdague | so, I'd recommend putting the etherpad direct link in the -2 in the future | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: oh, sure that's a good idea, I guess I just linked to the wiki page | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | I'll tell stevebaker (who beat you to the first removal) to do the same | 17:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Is there a reason to do this only once a month rather than weekly on-demand? | 17:50 |
| sdague | also, it's not clear how to provide subunit to sql data | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I'll make the steps a bit more clear. (I'll use your patch as an example) | 17:51 |
| sdague | I also think that with Depends-On we can now prevent merge in the wrong order | 17:51 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: sbaker removing a skipped | 17:51 |
| sdague | so that should probably be part of the process to streamline things | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: sure, assuming the removal is coupled at the same time as the functional test | 17:52 |
| sdague | you can still use it as a reference | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | sdague: oh, yeah that's true | 17:53 |
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| sdague | it makes a nice link in gerrit even if the other code is merged | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yes, but it is skipped now, but it wasn't always. I think it still should go through this process even if it's just to test it | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | anyway if anyone has suggestions on the wiki, etc. Let me know, I imagine this will evolve slightly after the first few removals | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything else on this? | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | there are still a few items left on the agenda, but with ~5min I don't think we'll get a dent out of most of them | 17:56 |
| k4n0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152878/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157288/ (wishlist) | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone has a review they'd like extra eyes on | 17:57 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159267/ | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152878/ | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157288/ | 17:57 |
| andreaf | next step for auth migration to tempest-lib | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ++ yeah that's a good one to prioritize :) | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | I had a couple: | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/158355 | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | which was a topic, but it clarifies the docs on the python 2.6 stroy | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | and | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/157935 | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | which is the start of a tempest configuration guide | 17:58 |
| afazekas | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124998/ | 17:59 |
| afazekas | # not tempest still does not able to support shared network test in parallel | 17:59 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: man, are you picking rst headers at random on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157935/4/doc/source/configuration.rst,cm | 17:59 |
| afazekas | #note tempest still does not able to support shared network test in parallel | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I had to look up subsubheading :) | 18:00 |
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| sdague | so, in all the docs to date it's been == == (h1) == (h2) -- (h3) ~~ (h4) | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | sdague: they're all legit believe it or not | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: http://sphinx-doc.org/rest.html#sections | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah that's a tricky one | 18:01 |
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| mtreinish | it's an issue ironic testing has to deal with | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're at time | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:01 |
| k4n0 | thanks | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | I'll push the topics we didn't get to onto next week's agenda | 18:02 |
| sdague | http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/restructuredtext.html | 18:02 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 18:02:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-26-17.01.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-26-17.01.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-26-17.01.log.html | 18:02 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: but we use sphinx :) | 18:02 |
| sdague | but it's the rst spec | 18:02 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 18:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 18:03 |
| dtroyer | anyone here for the first annual OSC meeting? | 18:03 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, rounding up the troops | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus24, might be interested | 18:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh yes | 18:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 18:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 never added a reminder for this | 18:04 | |
| stevemar | sigmavirus24, i have a notification go off for 'openstackclient' | 18:05 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 18:05 |
| briancurtin | hello | 18:05 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i think we have enough trouble makers / people | 18:05 |
| dtroyer | ok, let's get started | 18:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic meeting time | 18:06 |
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| dtroyer | first off, stevemar and I picked this time and I'd like to just confirm that with everyone... | 18:06 |
| dhellmann | thursdays are generally bad for me; it just happens that I had a free slot today | 18:06 |
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| dhellmann | maybe we can set up a doodle? | 18:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thursdays are my "meeting" day usually 8-12 so I can do 8-1 if necessary | 18:07 |
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| dtroyer | me too, this is the third in a row… | 18:07 |
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| dtroyer | a doodle sounds fine, I've not done one, can yo do that dhellmann? | 18:07 |
| dhellmann | I could probably make it work later in the day if thursday is the day others prefer | 18:07 |
| dhellmann | sure | 18:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann set up doodle for meeting times | 18:08 |
| * sigmavirus24 isn't too picky | 18:08 | |
| dtroyer | thanks | 18:08 |
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| dtroyer | #topic project status | 18:08 |
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| dtroyer | this is a bit vague, I know, but specifically I'm talking about 'official OpenStack project' status | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | what's the relationship/overlap between this group and the sdk group? there's an sdk meeting on tuesday, should we consider merging? or are there really different teams? | 18:09 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: there is overlap, maybe that would work, but it personally doesn't work for me during non-DST times | 18:09 |
| briancurtin | there's some overlap in teams, but we've been having meetings go 50-60 minutes | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: ok | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | briancurtin: ok, sounds like we should keep those separate, then | 18:10 |
| dhellmann | sorry, dtroyer, carry on :-) | 18:10 |
| dtroyer | on project status, our plan is to go ahead and apply for officialdom with the TC Real Soon Now and finally end the nearly three year limbo | 18:11 |
| dtroyer | I put together https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-project to summarize where I think we are and what needs to happen | 18:11 |
| stevemar | infra brought up the projects status last week i think? dtroyer made this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-project | 18:11 |
| dtroyer | this meeting was the last major piece of that | 18:12 |
| dtroyer | anyway, other than information I don't have much more to say there unless there are questions or concerns? | 18:12 |
| stevemar | i don't anticipate much push back on the proposal | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | helps that we've been around | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: do you want to shift ownership of cliff to this team at the same time? | 18:13 |
| dtroyer | me either, mostly looking for a sanity check or other missing things | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | the reviewers and contributors are mostly out of this group anyway, and we just stuck it into oslo because it needed a home at the time | 18:13 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: leading to the next agenda point then | 18:13 |
| dtroyer | #topic cliff repo | 18:14 |
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| dhellmann | oops, sorry, first I'm behind now I'm ahead :-) | 18:14 |
| dtroyer | np | 18:14 |
| dtroyer | I am fine with taking ownership of cliff, I really wasn't sure how much it is used elsewhere | 18:14 |
| dhellmann | it is used outside of openstack and in the neutron command line client | 18:14 |
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| dhellmann | we would want to have the oslo team agree, obviously, but I don't expect objections | 18:15 |
| dhellmann | and of course it would depend on whether this team wants to do it :-) | 18:15 |
| stevemar | kinda like how pycadf was off-loaded to keystone | 18:15 |
| dhellmann | that's right | 18:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | dtroyer: that etherpad looks good to me | 18:15 |
| dtroyer | unless there are objections I'll add that to the project proposal and we can go from there | 18:15 |
| dhellmann | and hacking to qa | 18:15 |
| stevemar | i'm okay with it, more responsibility to review things, but the code base is small | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | at those hand-off points we extended invitations to the existing core reviewers to be kept on the review team, and it would be nice to do that for cliff as well (they are there as part of the oslo-core team now) | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: up until very recently it hasn't changed that much, either | 18:16 |
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| dtroyer | ok, seems good to go then | 18:17 |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer to add cliff repo ownership to project proposal | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | I'll bring it up with the oslo team | 18:17 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann discuss cliff ownership change with oslo team | 18:17 |
| dtroyer | thanks dhellmann | 18:17 |
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| dtroyer | #topic release schedule | 18:18 |
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| dtroyer | I'd like to talk a bit about release frequency | 18:18 |
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| dtroyer | we've historically gone way too long between releases, and I think roughly once a month would be better for $REASONS | 18:19 |
| stevemar | as much as i'd love to see osc have a regular release every X weeks, i will always have trouble around this time, (the crunch time for the third milestone for a release) | 18:19 |
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| dtroyer | I don't want to be rigid, and this is actually a good time to not to anything radical anyway | 18:20 |
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| dtroyer | but was looking for other thoughts about that | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: do you think once a month is a minimum, or a maximum? or average? | 18:20 |
| lhcheng | how about once a month *only if there are major features added? | 18:20 |
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| dtroyer | I was thinking average, weighted by the quantity of features/bugs contained | 18:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx has put together some release models as part of the ongoing big-tent governance changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157322/ | 18:21 |
| stevemar | there usually is one cool new feature that gets added per month, usually a new command | 18:22 |
| stevemar | or new options | 18:22 |
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| dhellmann | it sounds like we would be "independent", although we should also address whether we're going to do stable branches | 18:22 |
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| lhcheng | once a month is about right then.. | 18:22 |
| dtroyer | I don't want to do stable branches, except maybe for major releases. and maybe that's part of how we define a najor release | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | major as in X.y.z or x.Y.z? | 18:23 |
| dtroyer | X. based on the recent conversations, IIUC | 18:24 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so that's X.Y.z in practice, which is similar to what oslo is doing | 18:24 |
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| dhellmann | (we only maintain one version of a given stable branch, and it tends to be the X.Y because we haven't had backwards-incompatible releases yet) | 18:25 |
| dtroyer | the sorts of things I think will trigger an X release is adding support for os-client-config, which will have a major impact on the global command options | 18:25 |
| stevemar | ++ for X changing for major releases | 18:25 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, agreed | 18:25 |
| dtroyer | even though it will be largely compatible. also, things like changing out the underlying libs would probably do that too | 18:25 |
| stevemar | like removing requirements and leveraging sdk? | 18:26 |
| dhellmann | that's not necessary, based on semver, if our API is the command line interface | 18:26 |
| stevemar | trying to read between the lines here | 18:26 |
| dtroyer | yes, I consider our primary API the comamnd line. But I also think major changes inside the code are good times for major relases too just for maintenance sanity | 18:27 |
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| dtroyer | looking back, the introduction of the auth plugins might have caused that had we been past 1.0 then | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I guess it would depend on what those are. If we're changing implementation someone else would use in a plugin that should be a major bump, for example. | 18:28 |
| dtroyer | one reason is that these are times when plugins will likely be affected | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | exactly | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think we're saying the same thing | 18:28 |
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| dtroyer | so averaging one release a month, give or take, will be our target | 18:29 |
| dtroyer | any objections? | 18:29 |
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| sigmavirus24 | seems like a good cadence | 18:29 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 18:30 |
| stevemar | +1 | 18:30 |
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| dtroyer | #agreed OSC releases will be roughly one per month or as required | 18:30 |
| lhcheng | +1 | 18:30 |
| dhellmann | devstack is using osc, right? do we need stable branch support for that to continue to be safe? | 18:31 |
| dtroyer | it is. we're pinning OSC on stable branches of DevStack, so unless something arises there I don't think so | 18:32 |
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| dhellmann | I suppose we can always create them retroactively if we find we need to fix a bug and can't update to a newer minor version | 18:32 |
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| dtroyer | right. and that's one place where we may not be able to stick to the major-only stable branch because of transient deps. the current pin is because of the changes in one of the second (or more) order dependencies | 18:33 |
| dtroyer | #topic bug review | 18:34 |
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| dtroyer | I'm moving rather quickly because I need to leave a bit early, so stop me if I go too fast... | 18:34 |
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| dtroyer | are there any current bugs that need attention? I haven't been through the list in a while… | 18:35 |
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| dtroyer | is there a /crickets emoji? | 18:37 |
| stevemar | neither have i, i've been trying to deflect bad ones away quickly | 18:37 |
| * dhellmann is looking at the bug list | 18:37 | |
| stevemar | i *try* to stay on top o fit | 18:37 |
| dtroyer | some fo them are really more feture requests, and need to implement more stuff | 18:37 |
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| dtroyer | volume v2 for example should be converted to a bp | 18:37 |
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| stevemar | 2 new ones came in, action-list from tim, and volume v2 | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | and a neutron functionality one, which should be a BP, also | 18:38 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe, will have some interest in ^ | 18:38 |
| dtroyer | yup | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng, has reviews up for 1423748 | 18:38 |
| terrylhowe | there used to be bp/neutron | 18:39 |
| stevemar | and 1421328 need to specify domain with role list - is ughhhh valid | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | the rest a spill over from things thta didn't make 1.0.2 | 18:40 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe, the BP still existsw | 18:40 |
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| dtroyer | I'm hoping I can get back to more OSC work soon…and get caught up. | 18:41 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i'll dive back in post-keystone-FF | 18:41 |
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| dtroyer | I've got about 10 min… | 18:42 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: thanks | 18:42 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, lets give terrylhowe a few minutes for neutrony stuff | 18:42 |
| dtroyer | anything? | 18:42 |
| dtroyer | ok | 18:42 |
| stevemar | whats the direction here | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | at one point terrylhowe had a bunch of patches for stuff, but i think there is a knowledge gap (at least I know nothing about neutron) | 18:43 |
| stevemar | and now we have some APIs for neutron | 18:43 |
| terrylhowe | I have to follow up on dtroyer latest comments and make subnet crud less neutrony :) | 18:43 |
| dtroyer | my entire hesitation with those reviews was the amount of neutronclient practices they contained | 18:43 |
| stevemar | right, is there anything we can do to mitigate the neutronclient practices (aside from using our built-in API requests) | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | "practices"? as in the way the client library works, or the neutron API works? | 18:44 |
| dtroyer | actually, yes. I did a couple that were very similar to the other command classes. | 18:44 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, let me find you an example | 18:45 |
| dtroyer | as in how the client library is structured. and the amount of class composition and inheritance going on. | 18:45 |
| terrylhowe | I think I got rid of all that dtroyer | 18:45 |
| terrylhowe | I assumed you were talking about the way the parameters were being handled not being to OSC standards | 18:46 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: ok, good. last I remember there was still a bunch of calls into their class discovery stuff and whatnot | 18:46 |
| terrylhowe | at least with the subnet crud | 18:46 |
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| dtroyer | ah, right, one of the things I wanted to talk about was specifying begins and end values for a thing, that was one example | 18:47 |
| dtroyer | and terrylhowe, if you;ve done anything to it in the last (almost) week I haven't looked | 18:47 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84782/ | 18:47 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, for instance, this has to be done for all returned data: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/network/v2/network.py#L28-L42 | 18:48 |
| terrylhowe | no changes since 2/11, but it is high priority after I get my current work item out of the way | 18:48 |
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| dtroyer | ok…I'll make time over the weekend to catch up here. | 18:49 |
| terrylhowe | I should be freed up to put more effort in general to OSC soon | 18:49 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: thanks | 18:49 |
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| dtroyer | and let's talk about my complaint with the —allocation-pools format next we | 18:49 |
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| dtroyer | week | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann, just look at that file, seems we need to create a lot of helper functions for neutron | 18:49 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, that’s a good example stevemar | 18:50 |
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| dtroyer | and I need to run. I'll endmeeting and you guys can keep talking, will catch up in a few hours | 18:50 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 18:50:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-02-26-18.03.html | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-02-26-18.03.txt | 18:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-02-26-18.03.log.html | 18:50 |
| dhellmann | thanks, dtroyer | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | food! | 18:51 |
| terrylhowe | cya! | 18:51 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting? | 20:59 |
| anteaya | o/ | 20:59 |
| tonyb | Howdy | 20:59 |
| mikal | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine: le ping | 20:59 |
| dims_ | o/ | 20:59 |
| edleafe | o/ | 20:59 |
| * tonyb should add myself to that list | 20:59 | |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | tonyb: only if you make it less annoying to look at | 21:00 |
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| dims_ | tonyb: add it here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 21:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Mornnig all! | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo release status | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| tonyb | dims_: Thanks. | 21:01 |
| mikal | The next deadline applies to all blueprints: 5th March https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:01 |
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| cburgess | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | So that's the next step in our progressive freeze | 21:01 |
| mikal | And is disturbingly soon | 21:01 |
| mikal | (i.e. next week) | 21:01 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | So just a reminder that its crunch time... | 21:01 |
| mikal | John asks that when all code is up, please mark blueprint as NeedsCodeReview, then Implemented when all is merged | 21:02 |
| mikal | I also want to note that all the "merge quickly" exceptions from last week merged, so that's cool | 21:02 |
| mikal | Anything else on release status? | 21:02 |
| mikal | Moving on... | 21:02 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo priorities | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo priorities (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| mikal | So, a crazily large amount of API code has landed this week | 21:03 |
| mikal | How are the other priorities going? | 21:03 |
| alaski | cells code could use some reviews | 21:03 |
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| alaski | it's on the etherpad | 21:03 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:03 |
| anteaya | nova-net to neutron migration has refocused on L release | 21:03 |
| mikal | I will take a look today | 21:03 |
| mikal | There was also a spec for scheduler db stuff which was in review when I went to bed last night | 21:03 |
| mikal | Not sure what people have said about it overnight | 21:04 |
| edleafe | mostly good things :) | 21:04 |
| edleafe | Still waiting for your stamp of approval, though | 21:04 |
| mikal | anteaya: yeah, thanks for that. So the nova-net migration people are going to take some more time to absorb the feedback from reviews for their prototype, and try for L at this point | 21:04 |
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| anteaya | obondarev has put up a new patch, if we can get some reviews to figure out if this direction will net results that would be wonderful, patchsize increased from about 350 lines to 700 | 21:04 |
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| mikal | edleafe: so, is there any chance of the implementation getting proposed in gerrit before 5 March? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | some of it is up | 21:05 |
| dansmith | I tink | 21:05 |
| edleafe | mikal: it's been in gerrit for a couple of weeks now as WIP | 21:05 |
| * mikal notes he is holding up that review | 21:05 | |
| anteaya | so mostly we need to know, yes on this direction or subclass the api | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | anteaya: can we add "don't do this at all" to the list of options? :) | 21:05 |
| anteaya | dansmith: if that is what you feel | 21:05 |
| anteaya | add away | 21:05 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 21:06 |
| anteaya | of course I will follow up with a what do you suggest as a next step | 21:06 |
| dansmith | that's definitely what I feel, but I shan't add it | 21:06 |
| mikal | So, I'd say we should have a summit session on that bit specifically, except the summit feels too far away | 21:06 |
| anteaya | thanks for being honest with me | 21:06 |
| anteaya | :) | 21:06 |
| edleafe | Dan't has spoken! | 21:06 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 21:06 |
| anteaya | mikal: summit session on edleafe's thing or the migration? | 21:06 |
| mikal | YEah, sorry | 21:07 |
| mikal | We're talking about two things at once | 21:07 |
| mikal | The migration | 21:07 |
| anteaya | I don't want a summit session on the migration, but would like a friday table | 21:07 |
| mikal | anteaya: ok | 21:07 |
| mikal | But I think I'd like to see progress before then, I don't want a stall waiting for the summit | 21:07 |
| anteaya | the last thing i want is to be trapped in a room of 400 people who never show up to meetings saying do it my way | 21:07 |
| anteaya | agreed | 21:07 |
| mikal | anteaya: heh, true dat | 21:07 |
| mikal | Ok, so the other topic... | 21:07 |
| mikal | edleafe: I promise to review your thing today | 21:08 |
| anteaya | I would like a friday table session where we can get through any deadlocks | 21:08 |
| edleafe | mikal: thx | 21:08 |
| mikal | Or you can send me rotten fruit in the mail | 21:08 |
| tonyb | edleafe: I promise to annoy mikal until he does ;P | 21:08 |
| mikal | Is there anything else on priorities or shall we move on? | 21:08 |
| edleafe | tonyb: that should help | 21:08 |
| edleafe | :) | 21:08 |
| mikal | #topic Liberty release status | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mikal | Ok, so first off... | 21:09 |
| mikal | We've been asked what we'd like for the summit in terms of rooms etc | 21:09 |
| mikal | Noting we might not get all we ask for | 21:09 |
| mikal | Do we want what we had in Paris? | 21:09 |
| mikal | Big room for a couple of days and then a big table room on Friday? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | that was nice | 21:09 |
| mriedem | friday meetup was good | 21:09 |
| mikal | I was surprised by how well the Friday worked to be honest | 21:09 |
| mriedem | roundtable is good for the meetup rather than audience style | 21:10 |
| mikal | Do we see value in doing _any_ audience style? | 21:10 |
| mikal | It has the advantage of a schedule and time boxing | 21:10 |
| mriedem | shrug | 21:10 |
| anteaya | I like a big round table or square formation rather than long boardroom style | 21:10 |
| edleafe | Audience is OK, but we need the rings | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i think the 2 sessions on priorities on thursday were also good | 21:10 |
| mdbooth | You could add a schedule and time boxing to a roundtable | 21:10 |
| mikal | I personally think we should keep the mix the same as Paris | 21:11 |
| mriedem | agreed | 21:11 |
| * mdbooth found the audience style all but useless unless you're in the front row | 21:11 | |
| mikal | Because audience still feels productive to me | 21:11 |
| cburgess | You should have some open sessions, but I think we could have 1 more round table day and cut one open session day maybe. | 21:11 |
| dansmith | I think that's fine | 21:11 |
| mikal | And I worry that all table would go off the rails | 21:11 |
| mikal | Sounds like people agree? | 21:11 |
| mikal | Or don't care? | 21:11 |
| mikal | :P | 21:11 |
| dansmith | ==paris | 21:11 |
| mriedem | +1 to paris style | 21:11 |
| cburgess | +1 | 21:11 |
| alaski | +1 | 21:11 |
| anteaya | all table would go off teh rails | 21:11 |
| tonyb | I think that the meetup style discourages passer-by input | 21:11 |
| dansmith | mriedem: oh you just coiled a term forever | 21:11 |
| dansmith | er, coined | 21:12 |
| mriedem | only if bauzas is around | 21:12 |
| tonyb | that may be a good thing but I feel ike Paris worked pretty well | 21:12 |
| cburgess | *giggity* | 21:12 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:12 |
| mikal | Ok, I shall let ttx know our desires | 21:12 |
| cburgess | Speaking of off the rails.... | 21:12 |
| mikal | And then we'll see how physical reality maps to that | 21:12 |
| mikal | So the other thing is... | 21:12 |
| mikal | Liberty specs are open | 21:12 |
| mikal | For people who got bumped from Kilo, you can retarget your thing right now if you want to | 21:13 |
| mikal | Review wont open for a bit, but it means you can do your bits if you desire | 21:13 |
| jogo | mikal: maybe a ML post on that soon? | 21:13 |
| mikal | I assume we will do a fast track approval thing in L as well, but I note I am not the L PTL | 21:13 |
| mikal | jogo: yep | 21:13 |
| mikal | So I don't want to promise thigns for L until we know who the PTL is | 21:13 |
| anteaya | I should figure out those election dates | 21:14 |
| mikal | That would be good! | 21:14 |
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| mikal | Actually, I should figure out the extra-atcs thing before the election too | 21:14 |
| anteaya | yes please | 21:14 |
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| mikal | Do you have a deadline for that being done? | 21:14 |
| anteaya | and thanks for checking foundation membership | 21:14 |
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| anteaya | before teh election roll is fixed | 21:14 |
| mriedem | mikal: so who would one talk to about planning mid-cycle meetups if one were so inclined? | 21:14 |
| anteaya | which is the end of ptl nominations | 21:15 |
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| mikal | mriedem: heh, I should answer your email... | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i guess next ptl | 21:15 |
| mikal | mriedem: it is certainly a next PTL call | 21:15 |
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| mikal | mriedem: but its also a what the team wants thing I think | 21:15 |
| mikal | mriedem: I promise to answer your email today | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yeah, I'd avoid punting just because $ptl, since it's a thing that needs to get going | 21:16 |
| mikal | dansmith: agreed | 21:16 |
| mriedem | is there even a liberty release schedule yet? | 21:16 |
| mikal | I just feels dishonest to make a lot of edicts about L when it might be someone else living with them | 21:16 |
| tonyb | mriedem:: I promise to annoy mikal until he does ;P | 21:16 |
| mikal | mriedem: I don't think so? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | don't see a wiki | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so nope | 21:16 |
| * mikal is making a worrying number of promises today | 21:16 | |
| mikal | Let's move on again unless there is something else here... | 21:16 |
| mriedem | promise you'll never let go... | 21:17 |
| melwitt | lol | 21:17 |
| mikal | mriedem: I will be very strong and not tell you my Rick Astley story of the week | 21:17 |
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| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:17 | |
| mriedem | gate is gr8 | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mikal: until after the meeting, right? | 21:17 |
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| mikal | So, there was a library thing, yeah? | 21:17 |
| mikal | dansmith: sure | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | oh right, i was going to release novaclient today | 21:17 |
| mriedem | oops | 21:17 |
| mikal | A release of something which did something but then soemthing fixed the something? | 21:18 |
| * mriedem blames jogo for not reminding | 21:18 | |
| mikal | Heh | 21:18 |
| mriedem | it's fixed in tree | 21:18 |
| mikal | Oh, I was thinking of the keyring release breaking IIRC | 21:18 |
| mriedem | supposed to release 2.21.1 (?) today | 21:18 |
| mriedem | there were other stable branch breaks earlier in the week but not us | 21:18 |
| mikal | mriedem: do we think releasing on Thursdays is a good idea? | 21:18 |
| mikal | Or should we wait until Monday? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | probably monday at this point | 21:18 |
| mikal | I feel that way too | 21:18 |
| * jogo points out he was asleep when mriedem should have cut the release | 21:18 | |
| mikal | In case we horribly wedge the world | 21:18 |
| dansmith | oh come on | 21:18 |
| dansmith | that could never happen | 21:18 |
| mikal | LOL | 21:19 |
| melwitt | it definitely didn't happen last time | 21:19 |
| mriedem | given it's only one change to revert the thing that broke everything before | 21:19 |
| mriedem | it should be safe | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but monday it is | 21:19 |
| dims_ | we can always blame something in oslo :) | 21:19 |
| mikal | I need a "what could possibly go wrong" tshirt | 21:19 |
| mikal | Let's move on again... | 21:19 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:19 | |
| dansmith | dims_: we could go ahead and get the blame train moving on o.vo | 21:19 |
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| dims_ | :) | 21:19 |
| mikal | There is a critical on the agenda... | 21:19 |
| * mdbooth put that there. Needs eyes. | 21:20 | |
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| mikal | Fair enough | 21:20 |
| mikal | I might be worth -1'ing the other contender for that migration number of avoid a rebase on a critical fix? | 21:20 |
| mdbooth | TL;DR Relatively minor misconfiguration of Ironic or VMware can delete all your instances | 21:21 |
| jogo | so this shouldn't be a critical | 21:21 |
| dansmith | jogo: greed | 21:21 |
| jogo | this doesn't impact all users | 21:21 |
| mikal | jogo: there's a discussion of that in the bug | 21:21 |
| dansmith | sheesh | 21:21 |
| dansmith | agreed | 21:21 |
| mikal | I tried and was told I was a liar | 21:21 |
| mikal | Well, nicely | 21:21 |
| mdbooth | mikal: Glad to be polite :) | 21:21 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:21 |
| mdbooth | It's critical because it will delete all your instances | 21:21 |
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| mdbooth | i.e. data loss | 21:21 |
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| dansmith | we have a definition of critical | 21:21 |
| dansmith | and this isn't it, IMHO | 21:22 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: Data loss is in it | 21:22 |
| * mdbooth gets the link | 21:22 | |
| jogo | mdbooth: isn't there a work around? don't run redundant nova computes | 21:22 |
| jogo | may not be a good work around but not critical | 21:22 |
| mdbooth | jogo: You can do it accidentally | 21:22 |
| dansmith | IMHO, this is using nova in a not valid way | 21:22 |
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| jogo | you can do a lot of thing accidentally in life | 21:22 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: It does involve a misconfiguration, that's right. | 21:23 |
| mikal | For reference, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122240/ is the other contender for migration 277 | 21:23 |
| jogo | dansmith: yes, that is the bigger issue | 21:23 |
| mikal | So, here's the thing | 21:23 |
| dansmith | so data loss due to misconfiguration of one or two drivers != critical, IMHO | 21:23 |
| mdbooth | However, this is a relatively small misconfiguration with a very large impact | 21:23 |
| mikal | We're having a disagreement about a single piece of metadata | 21:23 |
| mikal | Couldn't we just review the fix, land it, and get on with our lives? | 21:23 |
| mdbooth | mikal: +1 | 21:23 |
| mikal | Or reject the fix of course if we think its wrong | 21:23 |
| jogo | mikal: we could, but there is a deeper issue which this whole model is just bad | 21:23 |
| dansmith | right | 21:24 |
| mdbooth | This is why it needs discussion. | 21:24 |
| mdbooth | This proposal enforces an existing assumption | 21:24 |
| mdbooth | The assumption is already implicit in code | 21:24 |
| mdbooth | This proposal makes it explode if you break it | 21:24 |
| tonyb | This proposal == https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269/ ? | 21:24 |
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| mdbooth | Instead of corrupting your instance | 21:24 |
| mdbooth | tonyb: Yea | 21:25 |
| mikal | I don't disagree with revisiting the design of this, but I do think we should be protecting current deployments of ironic from face punching | 21:25 |
| mdbooth | mikal: Also +1 | 21:25 |
| * mdbooth agrees the design should be revisited | 21:25 | |
| * jogo wants more face punching | 21:25 | |
| mikal | Sigh | 21:26 |
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| mikal | Ok, so | 21:26 |
| jogo | so what is the hold up between the two options? | 21:26 |
| * bauzas waves late | 21:26 | |
| mikal | I'd love some review on that proposed fix | 21:26 |
| mdbooth | jogo: Which other option? | 21:26 |
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| jogo | mdbooth: I thought this was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154907/1 vs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269 ? | 21:27 |
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| mdbooth | jogo: Ah, yes. That does a similar thing by storing metadata in vsphere. It doesn't cover Ironic, for eg. | 21:27 |
| mdbooth | Also, it's uglier. | 21:28 |
| dansmith | so, | 21:28 |
| sdague | mikal: so, I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122240/ should get 277, johanes is good with it, redo this one as 278 and ask people to review | 21:28 |
| mikal | sdague: I would be ok with that | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I like a driver-specific bandage for this right off | 21:28 |
| mikal | sdague: but if we're going to land 240 let's pull the trigger now | 21:28 |
| mriedem | +W on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122240/ - so 277 is taken now | 21:28 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: 2 driver-specific bandages | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I'm still trying to digest the supposedly global fix | 21:28 |
| mikal | sdague: my -1 there is no longer valid | 21:28 |
| dansmith | mdbooth: driver specific implies "in each driver affected" yes | 21:28 |
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| jogo | dansmith: yeah, I like the driver specific thing as well | 21:29 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: Also, the assumption is in Nova, not in the driver | 21:29 |
| dansmith | mdbooth: I'm aware | 21:29 |
| mdbooth | i.e. Nova core | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I also think the assumption is fine | 21:29 |
| mdbooth | All I'm doing is proposing that Nova's existing assumption is enforced by Nova | 21:29 |
| mdbooth | Seems safest and cleanest | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I know | 21:30 |
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| dansmith | I think we should (a) make this non-critical and (b) review/continue off the meeting | 21:30 |
| jogo | mdbooth: the bigger issue here is we have drivers that are designed where this is even an issue | 21:30 |
| jogo | dansmith: already took it out of critical | 21:30 |
| dansmith | cool, then (b) ? :) | 21:30 |
| mikal | Ok, so | 21:30 |
| mikal | Yeah, let's review this code | 21:30 |
| mikal | And discuss there | 21:30 |
| mikal | I can't see us resolving this in this meeting | 21:31 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:31 | |
| mikal | So, there are none on the agenda | 21:31 |
| mikal | And I don't know of any | 21:31 |
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| mikal | Anythign where we will never reach a concensus on gerrit? | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | how to spell concensus? | 21:32 |
| mikal | No? | 21:32 |
| sdague | well... I could troll with this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150929/ | 21:32 |
| dansmith | I can't see us ever agreeing on that | 21:32 |
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| mikal | dansmith: you're dead to me | 21:32 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:32 |
| mikal | sdague: you're in danger as well | 21:32 |
| dims_ | ha sdague! | 21:32 |
| tonyb | sdague: :D | 21:32 |
| dansmith | sdague: take it out of -W | 21:33 |
| dansmith | sdague: my +2 is already on it | 21:33 |
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| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:33 | |
| mikal | Ok, now discuss openly | 21:33 |
| sdague | mikal: so it was only a half troll | 21:33 |
| mikal | Or I call tell you about the shirine to Rick Astley I visited this week | 21:33 |
| dims_ | any feed back on trivial patch monkey process is welcome. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:33 |
| mikal | dims_: I find it annoying | 21:33 |
| sdague | but I want to make sure we're good that if we get the change in the ec2 folks need for out of tree, we can deprecate | 21:34 |
| mikal | I go to review those things, and they're already merged | 21:34 |
| melwitt | there is this review for working around a libvirt bug where there's some uncertainty about whether a workaround config option is needed https://review.openstack.org/151953 | 21:34 |
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| jogo | dims_: been happy with it | 21:34 |
| dims_ | mikal: we update it twice a day at least | 21:34 |
| mikal | sdague: oh, sorry. I thought that was the vmware / ironic cluster review again | 21:34 |
| dims_ | will try to do it before you wake up :) | 21:34 |
| mikal | dims_: everyone else should review slower | 21:34 |
| sdague | I figure I'll wait until after ops summit to un WIP it just so we can get some face reactions with ops on it | 21:34 |
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| bauzas | dims_: provided monkeys have time :-) | 21:35 |
| mikal | sdague: oh, so that review is me sucking to be honest | 21:35 |
| dims_ | bauzas: haha | 21:35 |
| jogo | dims_: can we remove the list of merged things now? I don't think we need that list to show it works | 21:35 |
| mikal | sdague: I haven't had a chance to sit ttx down and work out a way forward which meets his needs | 21:35 |
| dims_ | jogo: happy to | 21:35 |
| mikal | sdague: its on my todo list | 21:35 |
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| jogo | dims_: it would make it easier to scroll to the bottom | 21:35 |
| jogo | I am lazy | 21:35 |
| sdague | mikal: ok, no prob. I just wanted to keep it on the front burner so it doesn't get lost before k3 | 21:35 |
| mikal | sdague: agreed, thanks for keeping me honest | 21:35 |
| dansmith | sdague: mikal we really need quick work on this | 21:35 |
| dims_ | jogo: i am going to add a counter instead | 21:36 |
| jogo | do we have anyone attending the ops summit to take notes? | 21:36 |
| jogo | dims_: ++ | 21:36 |
| mikal | jogo: sdague is | 21:36 |
| jogo | mikal: nice | 21:36 |
| sdague | yeh, I'll be there | 21:36 |
| mikal | dansmith: yep I know, I already feel guilty | 21:36 |
| bauzas | dims_: counter on what ? | 21:36 |
| dims_ | bauzas: count of things merged | 21:37 |
| mikal | dims_: I think a counter is useful, because the board occassionally asks how we're fixing this. Metrics are therefore always nice. | 21:37 |
| bauzas | dims_: ack. Please don't provide name stats | 21:37 |
| mikal | Name stats? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | individual stats | 21:38 |
| bauzas | I mean, count on reviews/monkey | 21:38 |
| mikal | As in who is the best predictor of mergable monkey patches? | 21:39 |
| tonyb | mikal: dims_ (11'ity billion) tonyb (0) etc | 21:39 |
| dansmith | tonyb: right | 21:39 |
| sdague | right, agreed. But bugs merged or reviews closed, or something | 21:39 |
| mikal | Huh, why not? | 21:39 |
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| mikal | Not that I need that stat | 21:39 |
| mikal | Just curious why we explicitly don't want it | 21:39 |
| dansmith | mikal: gamification | 21:39 |
| mikal | Oh, ok | 21:39 |
| bauzas | mikal : because I think it would corrupt the process | 21:39 |
| dansmith | mikal: and because some people are pretty bad at it :P | 21:39 |
| mikal | Sure | 21:39 |
| * dims_ spies 2 deer sauntering by his window | 21:40 | |
| mikal | So... in other news most of the electrical bits of my car don't work. Are we done here so I can go and get it fixed? | 21:40 |
| mikal | What I would normally call an "early mark"? | 21:41 |
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| dims_ | nova is now oslo namespace free | 21:41 |
| sdague | dims_: \o/ | 21:41 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 21:41 |
| sdague | and we have novaclient functional tests for a regression | 21:41 |
| sdague | those are nice wins this week | 21:41 |
| dims_ | nice | 21:41 |
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| dansmith | and o.vo! | 21:42 |
| dims_ | yay | 21:42 |
| mikal | Yay team! | 21:42 |
| edleafe | woohoo! | 21:42 |
| dansmith | and I'm about to make dhellmann eat his napkin | 21:42 |
| sdague | and dansmith drinks ovoltine | 21:42 |
| mikal | I shall eat a cookie as a reward | 21:42 |
| dims_ | hahaha | 21:42 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:42 |
| dansmith | sdague: oh, t-shirt. | 21:42 |
| jogo | mikal: isn't it breakfast time by you? | 21:42 |
| mikal | So, I think that means we're done for this week | 21:42 |
| mikal | jogo: yes, breakfast cookie of victory | 21:43 |
| mikal | Its been lovely typing near you all | 21:43 |
| anteaya | dims_: nice, I had a turkey fly past the other day | 21:43 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:43 | |
| sdague | yes, but always good to celebrate successes | 21:43 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 21:43:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-26-21.00.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-26-21.00.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-26-21.00.log.html | 21:43 |
| mikal | sdague: agred | 21:43 |
| mikal | agreed even | 21:43 |
| mikal | I just want to release the lock on all these people's time | 21:43 |
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| dims_ | anteaya: :) | 21:44 |
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