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| EmilienM | anteaya: good morning, do you have a meeting here in one hour ? | 13:01 |
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| EmilienM | puppet openstack meeting in 5 min | 13:53 |
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| sbadia | hi | 13:57 |
| gchamoul | o/ | 13:57 |
| mfisch | hola | 13:57 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: do you run it? | 13:59 |
| mfisch | anyone can start it | 13:59 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 13:59:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 13:59 |
| crinkle | #topic Gerrit Review Days (gchamoul) | 14:00 |
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| crinkle | gchamoul: | 14:00 |
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| gchamoul | yes ! | 14:00 |
| mfisch | curious what this is | 14:01 |
| mfisch | crinkle: can you also post the etherpad for this meeting? | 14:02 |
| crinkle | mfisch: do you have the link handy? | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-meeting-agenda-march16 | 14:02 |
| gchamoul | so like the Bug Triage day, I think it could be interesting to get a Gerrit Review Days in order to relieve the number of reviews in the pip | 14:02 |
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| mdorman | (sorry late) | 14:03 |
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| mfisch | As I've said on both accounts I'll unlikely ever have a day to work on one thing, but during a day I could certainly try to do a bunch of reviews | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | I think review and bug triage is different | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | gchamoul: so which one are you mentioning? only reviews ? | 14:04 |
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| gchamoul | a regular day where we will be focused on the Gerrit Puppet OpenStack Inbox | 14:04 |
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| gchamoul | EmilienM: only Reviews! | 14:05 |
| gchamoul | yes | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | I would be in favor to have also a bug triage thing sometimes | 14:06 |
| gchamoul | yes of course | 14:06 |
| mfisch | reviews at least get some attention, bugs get 0 | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: +1 | 14:06 |
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| crinkle | at the ops meetup we talked about using time at the end of these meetings to do review and bug triage i believe | 14:07 |
| mfisch | I think we had a proposal to use the end of this meeting to look at bugs, what about also looking at reviews that need attention? | 14:07 |
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| mfisch | great minds think alike per usual | 14:07 |
| crinkle | :) | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | hehe | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | +1 for it | 14:07 |
| mdorman | i feel like those could be combined… with a slight emphasis on bugs over reviews | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | not sure most of us can spend one day in a week for that | 14:08 |
| mfisch | I dont object to your idea gchamoul just isnt feasible for me honestly to spend a day on it | 14:08 |
| mdorman | +1 | 14:08 |
| mfisch | I figure mdorman is in the same boat and I know dvorak is | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: +1 | 14:08 |
| mfisch | #operator-problems | 14:08 |
| crinkle | gchamoul: how does using meeting time for this sound? perhaps just as a start | 14:08 |
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| mfisch | +1 as a start | 14:08 |
| gchamoul | mfisch: I understand! | 14:09 |
| gchamoul | crinkle: fine to me! | 14:09 |
| crinkle | #agreed start using the end of meetings for review and bug triage | 14:09 |
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| crinkle | #topic New Meeting Time | 14:10 |
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| crinkle | #link https://doodle.com/wuhsuafq5tibzugg | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | Tuesday - 1500 to 1600 UTC or Thursday - 1600 to 1700 UTC | 14:11 |
| crinkle | we should also look at what times are actually available | 14:12 |
| mfisch | To find those times I looked at the wiki | 14:12 |
| mfisch | but there's no simple matrix | 14:12 |
| crinkle | there's an ics somewhere | 14:12 |
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| sbadia | and this meeting slot are compatible with actual slot on #openstack-meeting / #openstack-meeting-alt ? | 14:13 |
| mfisch | some had to be in -3 | 14:14 |
| sbadia | crinkle: yep in openstack-infra/irc-meetings/ | 14:14 |
| sbadia | but seems an export of the wiki page :s | 14:15 |
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| mdorman | fwiw i have the meetings ics up in outlook right now | 14:15 |
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| mdorman | hrrm it only has one meeting on it, that can’t be right. nevermind. | 14:15 |
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| crinkle | it looks like 1600 thursdays in #openstack-meeting and #openstack-meeting-alt is free | 14:17 |
| crinkle | er not alt | 14:17 |
| mfisch | Is everyont okay in theory with moving the meeting? | 14:17 |
| crinkle | -3 | 14:17 |
| crinkle | that too ^ | 14:17 |
| mdorman | i am | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: +1 | 14:17 |
| mfisch | I think we decided that optimizing for .eu and .us was okay given the attendance | 14:17 |
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| crinkle | +1 | 14:19 |
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| sbadia | +1 too if the attendance is better :) | 14:19 |
| Hunner | Were the times on the doodle adequate? Running it again wouldn't be great... | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: can you run this time (16->17) ? | 14:21 |
| xarses | the current time is hard for me to attend, only here because of the US daylight savings offset | 14:21 |
| mfisch | run? | 14:21 |
| mfisch | attend? | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: attend | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: or you can run it :P | 14:22 |
| mfisch | lets see its approx 1400 now? | 14:22 |
| mfisch | 14:22? | 14:22 |
| Hunner | Yep | 14:22 |
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| mfisch | yes | 14:22 |
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| crinkle | so 1600 thursdays in #openstack-meeting? | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:23 |
| sbadia | utc ok! | 14:23 |
| mdorman | i like it | 14:23 |
| Hunner | +1 | 14:23 |
| mfisch | next week lets cover abolishing DST | 14:23 |
| mgagne | I'm not sure why 1600 thursday is proposed when tuesday 1500 has more vote | 14:24 |
| mdorman | :) | 14:24 |
| gchamoul | +1 | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | mgagne: because you just voted maybe? | 14:24 |
| xarses | owich, -1 for Thursday | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | and we are looking at it for 15 min | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | it was 7/7 before | 14:24 |
| xarses | tuest +1 | 14:24 |
| xarses | Tuesday even | 14:25 |
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| crinkle | we could do 1500 in #openstack-meeting-4 | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | I think time is running out, we have more interesting topics coming out | 14:26 |
| Hunner | mfisch: You were the only one present that voted against 1500 Tuesday... completely not possible? | 14:26 |
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| EmilienM | let's continue by mailing list or IRC later? | 14:26 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: +1 | 14:26 |
| crinkle | +1 | 14:26 |
| gchamoul | ack | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: we can go ahead I think. | 14:26 |
| crinkle | #action follow up on mailing list | 14:26 |
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| crinkle | #topic Big Tent plans | 14:27 |
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| EmilienM | that's the interesting topic | 14:27 |
| crinkle | first, do we want to do this? are there questions people want answered before we pursue this? | 14:28 |
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| mdorman | one thing i thought about this morning is what’s teh worst case scenario here? if we shift to be an OS project and then somehow we fail. | 14:28 |
| mfisch | I think its a great idea | 14:28 |
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| mdorman | basically we get demoted back to stackforge,right? probably the biggest pain is moving repos? | 14:28 |
| mdorman | (i really like the idea, too, btw.) | 14:28 |
| mgagne | crinkle: I think it's not just related to Puppet but the whole concept of big tent + integrated release | 14:29 |
| mfisch | not sure how you're deemed to fail | 14:29 |
| mfisch | we're used more than probably 10 official projects | 14:29 |
| mgagne | you can't fail, ceilometer is still in | 14:29 |
| mfisch | lol | 14:29 |
| * mgagne hides | 14:29 | |
| mfisch | I was thinking the same | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: no troll or I cann jd__ | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | call* | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | it's out of topic I guess | 14:30 |
| mgagne | I'm more or less worried by the fact that most contributors happen to be operators | 14:30 |
| jd__ | I don't think you can fail at big tent | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: maybe should be run a classic vote? | 14:30 |
| mdorman | haha ok fair enough | 14:30 |
| mdorman | anyway i’m very much in favor of the idea | 14:30 |
| mfisch | mgagne: does RH count as an op? | 14:30 |
| mgagne | and as time passes, some will probably move to something else once their deployment methods is ironed out | 14:30 |
| jd__ | considering the work done you probably deserve to apply this project IMHO | 14:30 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: i think we're still discussing pros/cons | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | jd__: thanks! | 14:31 |
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| mfisch | mgagne: yes that is likely to happen, people will move on just like people moved on from nova-network and ceilometer | 14:31 |
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| mfisch | we've already lost a bunch of contribs but we gain new ones | 14:31 |
| mgagne | mfisch: AFAIK, there is a more solid core (and enterprise investments) in those projects than ours | 14:31 |
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| mfisch | thats a good point b/c my company's goal is openstack, not puppet | 14:32 |
| xarses | mfisch: people still use nona-network and ceilometer =/ | 14:32 |
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| mfisch | but OoO is still alive despite HP bailing | 14:32 |
| crinkle | there are a number of companies with enterprise investment in puppet | 14:32 |
| mgagne | right, I guess that we could get more backing by being an "official' openstack project | 14:33 |
| mfisch | mgagne: for some folks getting ATC or stackalytics points is worth an upstream push | 14:33 |
| mfisch | I get ATC with BS doc changes when I dont have a real fix | 14:34 |
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| mdorman | +1 to last 3 comments, i think being a real project will increase involvement activity | 14:34 |
| mgagne | mfisch: I'm not interested in people contributing only for an ATC badge | 14:34 |
| Hunner | People will not argue that puppet modules add value to many openstack deplyoments... openstack is not useful if you can't deploy it :P | 14:34 |
| richm | I think one big reason for being an official openstack project is getting more integration from the various projects i.e. getting visibility into each project that, yes, it will need to be installed by someone who is not a developer and it needs to have some features that will make it more easily deployable/installable via puppet | 14:34 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:34 |
| crinkle | mgagne: the ATC badge will be important for scheduling design summit sessions | 14:35 |
| mfisch | getting space at the conference will be nice too | 14:35 |
| crinkle | after vancouver we won't get a session if we're not a real project | 14:35 |
| richm | and perhaps more early cooperation from the various projects about what features need to be installable via puppet and how that will work | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | richm: great comment | 14:35 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:35 |
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| mgagne | crinkle: I'm more interested in the long term success of the project | 14:35 |
| mfisch | early warning on deprecation discussions at a minimum is nice | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: really? | 14:35 |
| crinkle | mgagne: i think the design sessions are important to the long term success | 14:35 |
| mfisch | if we have a PTL and we're on openstack-dev projects I think also will be more likely to reach out to us and ask "will this break the puppet guys/gals?" | 14:36 |
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| mdorman | imo getting space at teh summits i think is almost in an of itself a good enough reason to become a real project | 14:36 |
| mfisch | mgagne: I'd like to know more about your concerns | 14:36 |
| mgagne | crinkle: what I meant is that mfisch mentioned that some people woulc be using our official project status to push typo bugfixes to get ATC badge. And I fear those people won't be investing in the long term success of our project but only to save money on the badge. | 14:38 |
| mgagne | crinkle: but I guess we are not different from any other projects anyway | 14:38 |
| crinkle | mgagne: i think what he meant is that current contributors who do a lot of work with puppet also need to do a trivial "openstack" change to get ATC | 14:38 |
| mfisch | I'm sure its possible | 14:38 |
| Hunner | I wouldn't be surprised if the threshold for ATC goes up, but that's beside the point | 14:38 |
| mgagne | crinkle: oh, now I understand | 14:38 |
| mfisch | yes, what crinkle said | 14:38 |
| crinkle | if we moved under the big tent then the current contributors would get ATC | 14:38 |
| mfisch | sorry for the confusion | 14:38 |
| mgagne | crinkle: +1 for puppet under the big tent | 14:39 |
| mfisch | I'd still like to raise this on the ML before we make it official | 14:39 |
| crinkle | +1 | 14:39 |
| mgagne | +1 | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:39 |
| gchamoul | +1 | 14:39 |
| sbadia | +1 | 14:40 |
| crinkle | okay | 14:40 |
| Hunner | Do we need to discuss who is in for vote? Or just "Announce and go ahead"? | 14:40 |
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| Hunner | (Not sure what "make it official" is) | 14:40 |
| mfisch | Hunner: it means moving forward with the process, probably first step is voting on a PTL to drive it | 14:41 |
| crinkle | i think "make it official" just means start going down the path toward applying | 14:41 |
| Hunner | ah | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | maybe we should ask ttx for that | 14:41 |
| crinkle | #action discuss big tent further on mailing list | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: which ML ? :) | 14:41 |
| mfisch | next topic | 14:41 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: -> [] | 14:41 |
| sbadia | yep, the next meeting is in 20min :-s | 14:41 |
| mfisch | lets discuss ML topic | 14:41 |
| crinkle | #topic moving mailing lists | 14:42 |
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| crinkle | so this could be done whether or not we decide to big tent | 14:42 |
| crinkle | but it would be a step toward big tent | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | we just have to decide a tag | 14:42 |
| mfisch | I'm +1 on moving MLs. However, we probably need to cross-post for awhile | 14:42 |
| crinkle | that's fine | 14:42 |
| mfisch | #puppet? | 14:42 |
| mdorman | agreed | 14:42 |
| gchamoul | yes +1 | 14:42 |
| crinkle | i think puppet-openstack | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | puppet-openstack ? | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: +1 | 14:42 |
| mfisch | wfm | 14:42 |
| crinkle | it's our channel and our current mailing list | 14:42 |
| mgagne | mfisch: just do a hard-cut otherwise people won't move | 14:42 |
| gchamoul | puppet-openstack, yeah! | 14:42 |
| sbadia | +1 for puppet-openstack | 14:42 |
| mdorman | puppet-openstack would be more discriptive | 14:42 |
| crinkle | does anyone have concerns with moving? last time we discussed not wanting to filter | 14:43 |
| crinkle | mailman will actually filter tags for you i learned | 14:43 |
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| mfisch | mgagne: can we shutdown the old list and have it send a bounce message pointing at the new one? | 14:43 |
| sbadia | we can share sieve filters, and we go ahead :) | 14:43 |
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| mgagne | mfisch: ML is owned by puppetlabs organization | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: we should ask to crinkle/puppetlabs, they own the ML | 14:43 |
| crinkle | i can try to track that down | 14:43 |
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| mfisch | #action crinkle to find out about shutting down/redirecting old ML | 14:44 |
| sbadia | (binded on a google group) | 14:44 |
| crinkle | but i think we wouldn't shut it down for several months anyway | 14:44 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:44 |
| crinkle | so, agreed to move to openstack-dev mailing list (cross posting to puppet-openstack@puppetlabs for a while)? | 14:45 |
| sbadia | +1 | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:45 |
| xarses | +1 | 14:45 |
| mdorman | yup | 14:45 |
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| mgagne | crinkle: no new topic on old ML, only replies to existing threads? | 14:45 |
| mfisch | #action announce the switch on the old ML | 14:45 |
| jd__ | yay more mails | 14:45 |
| mfisch | #action setup new ML + tags | 14:45 |
| sbadia | jd__: :-D | 14:46 |
| crinkle | mgagne: +1 | 14:46 |
| crinkle | #agreed move to openstack-dev | 14:46 |
| crinkle | agreed on puppet-openstack as tag? | 14:46 |
| mgagne | crinkle: no | 14:46 |
| mfisch | yes | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:46 |
| gchamoul | ack | 14:46 |
| sbadia | yep | 14:46 |
| mgagne | crinkle: •openstack is redundant with [openstack-dev] | 14:46 |
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| mfisch | are all other projects just one word names? | 14:46 |
| crinkle | i'm worried [puppet] would get confused with the puppet stuff infra does | 14:47 |
| Hunner | I agree with mgagne. People can find #puppet-openstack (irc) easily; it doesn't need to be the tag | 14:47 |
| mgagne | mfisch: other projects don't include -openstack in their tags =) | 14:47 |
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| mfisch | crinkle: why dont we ask infra for an opinion? | 14:47 |
| mgagne | crinkle: they have their own tag already [infra] | 14:47 |
| mdorman | i think the infra stuff would come down to a matter of filter accuracy | 14:48 |
| mfisch | if its all already 1 word tags then why break the paradigm I guess, of course our IRC channel breaks it already | 14:48 |
| crinkle | okay +1 to just puppet | 14:48 |
| mgagne | crinkle: and EmilienM already used the [puppet] so I call prior art: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059017.html | 14:48 |
| mfisch | lol | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: it was a mistake Sir | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | but I'm fine | 14:48 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: nothing better than a mistake to make it permanent :D | 14:48 |
| crinkle | agreed on puppet as tag? | 14:48 |
| gchamoul | lol | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: let's go | 14:48 |
| Hunner | +1 just puppet | 14:48 |
| gchamoul | +1 | 14:49 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:49 |
| crinkle | #agreed use [puppet] as openstack-dev ml tag | 14:49 |
| sbadia | ok +1 | 14:49 |
| mdorman | +1 | 14:49 |
| mfisch | I assume french will be the official language of the new project? | 14:49 |
| mgagne | it's already the case :D | 14:49 |
| mfisch | lol | 14:49 |
| Hunner | I always wanted to learn French... | 14:49 |
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| crinkle | #topic Review Groups | 14:49 |
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| crinkle | mfisch: want to explain? | 14:49 |
| xarses | I was hoping for Italian | 14:49 |
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| mfisch | ok so this is an idea I have from how we operate | 14:50 |
| mfisch | we have people who are neutron experts (for example) and they review all neutron changes | 14:50 |
| mgagne | a subject matter expert ? | 14:50 |
| mfisch | when I push up a change set that might be very service specific like a change to how OVS works it might be nice to have a group that gets auto-added to the review | 14:50 |
| mfisch | no special powers for the group other than that | 14:51 |
| mfisch | yes mgagne | 14:51 |
| mfisch | neutron is the canonical example here since its complex | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: not sure if it's doable in Gerrit, maybe we will have to write a bot or something | 14:51 |
| Hunner | This would be to help newbies who don't know who to ping, yeah? | 14:51 |
| mfisch | yes Hunner | 14:51 |
| mfisch | maybe even reduce the amount of adding random people to the reviews which I do now | 14:51 |
| mgagne | neutron is a broad subject too, I only know a couple of plugins/mechanisms | 14:51 |
| Hunner | But theoretically "experts" are already watching reviews to their favorite projects... | 14:52 |
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| mfisch | They should be I figure | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | Hunner: +1 | 14:52 |
| mgagne | Hunner: +1 | 14:52 |
| mfisch | maybe we can just encourage that | 14:52 |
| mfisch | I'm fine with starting at that level | 14:52 |
| mdorman | that might be better, since it sounds like the effort to do it automatically might be big | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | the idea is fine though, I just don't see how to make it | 14:52 |
| mfisch | I'll email the ?? ML about this and ask people to watch branches and provide a link on how to do it | 14:52 |
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| crinkle | i think it wouldn't necessarily need to be "automatically", maybe just a list of people in a wiki for people to add | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | +1 for wiki | 14:53 |
| mdorman | good idea | 14:53 |
| Hunner | Perhaps we should just document who to ping, and let users / us add pings to unreviewed? | 14:53 |
| mgagne | crinkle: +1 if we can make our wiki page a one-stop page | 14:53 |
| gchamoul | EmilienM: I think we can do it via git hooks and gerrit command line | 14:53 |
| mfisch | wiki gets stale pretty fast | 14:53 |
| Hunner | crinkle: +1 | 14:53 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: like bugs, reviews, etc :) | 14:53 |
| gchamoul | that's what I am doing when I send a patch ... | 14:53 |
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| mgagne | mfisch: they do. I'm +/- hoping for a way to make it a "nice" place to go instead of a bunch of outdated info that's too complex to maintain or refresh | 14:54 |
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| mfisch | I dont if we have a resolution on this besides a ML thread | 14:55 |
| crinkle | #action mfisch to discuss review groups on ML | 14:55 |
| crinkle | #topic open discussion | 14:56 |
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| crinkle | anything else in these last three minutes? | 14:56 |
| mfisch | we have plenty more but not enuogh time so I say call it | 14:56 |
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| EmilienM | 3 min | 14:56 |
| mdorman | to the ML! | 14:56 |
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| mfisch | the committe has voted to have more discussions! | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I would talk about which projects go under the big tent | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | but on ML of course.. | 14:57 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:57 |
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| EmilienM | and define which modules we support officially | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | and the one "incubated" | 14:57 |
| Hunner | Definitel. | 14:57 |
| crinkle | okay let's head to the list | 14:58 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| EmilienM | maybe we can close the meeting and continue a bit on IRC #puppet-openstack & ML | 14:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 14:58:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-16-13.59.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-16-13.59.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-16-13.59.log.html | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:03:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:03 |
| kaisers | Hi | 15:03 |
| luqas | o/ | 15:03 |
| patrickeast | hi | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | how is everyone today? | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | I seem to be getting into discussions right at meeting time | 15:04 |
| anteaya | sorry about that | 15:04 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: no worries | 15:04 |
| patrickeast | i'm doing pretty well | 15:04 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: how about yourself? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: glad to hear it | 15:04 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 15:04 |
| anteaya | so we are into feature freeze week | 15:05 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:05 |
| anteaya | how is everyone's system operating? | 15:05 |
| kaisers | Ok, i start? | 15:05 |
| kaisers | :) | 15:05 |
| anteaya | please do | 15:06 |
| kaisers | Our system is still under construction but i'm planning to switch it live for cinder project later today | 15:06 |
| kaisers | Using sos-ci from jgriffith with some adaptions | 15:06 |
| kaisers | currently running in openstack-dev/ci-sandbox | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | well done | 15:06 |
| kaisers | Basically all is well | 15:06 |
| anteaya | have you the url for a patch to share with us? | 15:06 |
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| kaisers | a tested patch you mean? | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | yes | 15:07 |
| kaisers | sec | 15:07 |
| anteaya | a ci-sandbox patch that shows your system operating | 15:07 |
| kaisers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155735/ | 15:07 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155735/ | 15:08 |
| anteaya | what is the name of your system? | 15:08 |
| kaisers | quobyteci | 15:08 |
| kaisers | but i have a question regarding this | 15:08 |
| kaisers | this morning i lost some of my gerrit feedback (meaning like 10-4 hours ago) | 15:08 |
| kaisers | That's untouched code that should be working | 15:09 |
| kaisers | has anyone seen something like this? | 15:09 |
| anteaya | what do you mean? | 15:09 |
| kaisers | From the logs the test feedback went back into gerrit fine but it did not turn up on the frontend page | 15:09 |
| kaisers | more detailed: | 15:09 |
| asselin | hi | 15:09 |
| kaisers | quobyteci tested a new patch set and had some results. It posted the results back to gerrit. | 15:10 |
| kaisers | From this point of view all was looking fine | 15:10 |
| kaisers | But the results never turned up on the gerrit page for the change set | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | from this point of view, you mean from your end? | 15:10 |
| patrickeast | they should all be in the comment section if you click on the toggle ci button | 15:10 |
| kaisers | yep | 15:10 |
| anteaya | from the logs output to you from your system | 15:10 |
| kaisers | anteaya: yep | 15:10 |
| anteaya | what is the command you are using to post the comments to gerrit? | 15:11 |
| kaisers | digging, sec | 15:12 |
| anteaya | can you put it in a paste please? | 15:12 |
| kaisers | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/192655/ | 15:12 |
| anteaya | so this is the command you post to gerrit? | 15:14 |
| anteaya | gerrit review -m "* quobyteci-dsvm-volume http://176.9.127.22:8081/refs-changes-35-155735-142 : FAILURE " e259882f9127af77d83c4941c2bf70e9101a16e8 | 15:14 |
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| kaisers | yep | 15:14 |
| anteaya | does anyone else start off their string with * | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | kaisers: have you tried it without the *? | 15:16 |
| kaisers | Not so far but will do now .) | 15:16 |
| kaisers | :) | 15:16 |
| anteaya | while kaisers is trying that | 15:17 |
| kaisers | will take some time | 15:17 |
| anteaya | does anyone else have any input on his issue? | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | if no, shall we move on for now? | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | i'm not sure what the expected output is, but it doesn't look like output of the command is being checked https://github.com/j-griffith/sos-ci/blob/master/sos-ci/os_ci.py#L123 | 15:17 |
| patrickeast | maybe there is something in the stdout/stderr from the command that could give more hints | 15:17 |
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| kaisers | I'll look into that, thanks | 15:18 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: correct, there's no checking there | 15:18 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: kaisers it's just an launch/forget ssh command | 15:18 |
| kaisers | yep | 15:18 |
| jgriffith | kaisers: double check the format of the string being sent, that's caused people issues in the past (grab me after meeting) | 15:18 |
| kaisers | will do, ok :) | 15:19 |
| anteaya | thanks jgriffith | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | anyone have anything else on this? | 15:19 |
| anteaya | shall we move on? | 15:19 |
| anteaya | does anyone else have anythign they wish to discuss? | 15:19 |
| rhe00 | are there any infra changes planned for this week? | 15:20 |
| anteaya | there are always infra changes | 15:20 |
| anteaya | we don't have any outages planned for this week | 15:20 |
| rhe00 | the reason I ask is because on Friday a change was checked in that broke asselins third party nodepool scripts | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | out next scheduled outage is March 21 | 15:21 |
| anteaya | rhe00: that will happen | 15:21 |
| rhe00 | fortunately I got a hold of the devs on IRC and they fixed it | 15:21 |
| anteaya | good | 15:21 |
| anteaya | well done | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | unplanned breakages happen all the time | 15:21 |
| anteaya | which is why we test | 15:21 |
| anteaya | and why we are responsive to folks such as yourself | 15:22 |
| anteaya | so thank you | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | asselin: did you want to say anything on the topic? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | he must be pulled away | 15:23 |
| anteaya | what else shall we discuss? | 15:23 |
| ctlaugh | rhe00: I am currently working with his scripts, trying to get my CI setup... did the fix involve changes to asselin's scripts, or were they not affected? | 15:23 |
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| rhe00 | it was a checkin to subunti2sql that changed the schema | 15:24 |
| rhe00 | one of the prepare_node scripts has to be modified to limit the version of subunit2sql to <=0.40 | 15:24 |
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| rhe00 | trying to dig up the details | 15:25 |
| ctlaugh | rhe00: thank you | 15:25 |
| rhe00 | your nodepool image creation will blow up with a long stack trace if you hit this issue | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | rhe00: did you want to expand or are you finished? | 15:27 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure if I'm waiting for you or not | 15:27 |
| rhe00 | I am still digging, but you can move on. | 15:28 |
| anteaya | okay thanks for letting me know | 15:28 |
| rhe00 | my IRC history for openstack-infra roll off the screen buffer | 15:28 |
| anteaya | how about checking the logs? | 15:28 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 15:29 |
| anteaya | since noone but you can read your screen buffer anyway, this tends to be more useful | 15:29 |
| * asselin reads back | 15:29 | |
| anteaya | so while rhe00 digs | 15:29 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they wish to discuss today? | 15:29 |
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| rhe00 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164379/ | 15:30 |
| rhe00 | that's the patch to nodepool | 15:30 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164379/ | 15:30 |
| patrickeast | just as an fyi for anyone setting up systems... make sure its on a secure network and others on the network know what you are up to, we got burned by that this week and have to rearrange our networking (again) | 15:31 |
| asselin | rhe00, ok hadn't see that yet | 15:31 |
| patrickeast | turns out there were some unrestricted hosts on the same enginerring lab network | 15:31 |
| anteaya | okay so staying with rhe00's point for a moment | 15:31 |
| anteaya | rhe00: the linked patch has been reverted | 15:31 |
| asselin | but yea, issues upstream also affect 3rd party ci | 15:31 |
| patrickeast | so having a server running arbitrary python code all day that could access it was a pretty big problem | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | oh sorry, the revert patch is up for review | 15:32 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164730/ | 15:32 |
| anteaya | so please review | 15:32 |
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| rhe00 | asselin: oh, didn't see that. thanks! | 15:32 |
| asselin | patrickeast, can you elaborate? | 15:32 |
| patrickeast | so, pretty much any host reachable from your ci build slaves is vulnerable | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | yes | 15:33 |
| anteaya | since that is how our system works | 15:33 |
| asselin | patrickeast, vulnerable to what? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | so thanks for sharing your experience with others | 15:33 |
| anteaya | asselin: to be told to build hosts I imagine | 15:33 |
| anteaya | nodepool finds any connection and builds hosts | 15:34 |
| anteaya | is that what happened in your case? | 15:34 |
| patrickeast | yea, one thing for us was that if another host has a service on it (for example an http server) that is internal only | 15:35 |
| * asselin is lost | 15:35 | |
| patrickeast | someone could post a review that does a curl on it | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | and get the dat | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | data | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | so like | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | the other eng lab hosts are protected behind the firewall | 15:35 |
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| patrickeast | which means a lot of test/dev stuff is sometimes not locked down so well | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | but our system lets any code posted for review get run, behind the firewall | 15:36 |
| anteaya | asselin: nodepool assumes anything it can contact belongs to it | 15:36 |
| asselin | patrickeast, ok yes, I'm following now.... | 15:36 |
| patrickeast | yep, it needs to be on a segregated network | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | patrickeast: this sounds like it would be a good blog post | 15:37 |
| rhe00 | that's interesting. have to check mine now. :/ | 15:37 |
| asselin | patrickeast, well...at least the attack won't be anonymous...but yeah I'll have to check into that as well | 15:37 |
| anteaya | asselin: ha ha ha | 15:37 |
| patrickeast | yea it would be tracked | 15:38 |
| patrickeast | but all you need is an email address | 15:38 |
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| patrickeast | fake* | 15:38 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: yea i can look into that (should see if my company has a blog site i can use) | 15:38 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: please let me know how that goes | 15:38 |
| anteaya | I don't think we have ever thought of it | 15:38 |
| anteaya | since we work so hard to find every avaialbe resource and use it | 15:39 |
| anteaya | but since you brought it up, yes that assumption should definitely be communicated | 15:39 |
| asselin | anteaya, I guess infra doesn't have the issue since nodes running test jobs are in the public cloud which don't have access | 15:39 |
| anteaya | right | 15:39 |
| anteaya | we have more issues with making sure we can find everything that is there | 15:40 |
| anteaya | we have never had a use case for checking if what is there should or should not be used | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | so easier to just ensure through network decisions that nodepool cna't talk to anything it can't use | 15:40 |
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| asselin | anteaya, just a clarification: nodepool *node's* can't talk to anything it can't use | 15:41 |
| anteaya | best to clarify that with fungi or jeblair | 15:41 |
| anteaya | but yes | 15:41 |
| patrickeast | yea the scary issue is the nodes, if you have floating ips on an "external" network to give them access to the internet | 15:42 |
| patrickeast | they have access to anything else on the same physical network those floating ips are on | 15:42 |
| anteaya | I would suggest setting up a network for nodepool where the only hosts nodepool can reach are hosts it can build on | 15:42 |
| patrickeast | which i suspect for most of us is part of some test lab setup | 15:42 |
| fungi | yeah, our job workers don't run in trusted networks | 15:42 |
| fungi | for good reason | 15:42 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: yep, thats what we are switching to now | 15:43 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: thanks for bringing it up | 15:43 |
| fungi | in fact, since they run in clouds, we don't really consider that there are such a thing as trusted networks and instead we explicitly firewall every server independently with local packet filters | 15:43 |
| patrickeast | fungi: yea that makes sense | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | anyone with anything more on this topic? | 15:44 |
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| patrickeast | our problem was making an assumption about our internal eng network for the test/dev system, but it turns out it still had access to some private info | 15:44 |
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| patrickeast | so i guess the tl;dr is: go double check whats on your networks if you haven't already | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | thanks patrickeast | 15:45 |
| anteaya | anything else? | 15:45 |
| anteaya | okay to move on? | 15:45 |
| patrickeast | thats all i had | 15:46 |
| anteaya | thank you for sharing that patrickeast | 15:46 |
| anteaya | anyone with anything else they wish to discuss today? | 15:46 |
| anteaya | well if we are done for today I guess we can wrap up | 15:47 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for your attendance and participation | 15:47 |
| anteaya | rhe00: please review that patch and post any comments you have | 15:47 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day | 15:47 |
| kaisers | anteaya: thanks for hosting the show | 15:47 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 15:47 |
| rhe00 | anteaya: ok | 15:47 |
| anteaya | kaisers: :) | 15:47 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:20 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 16:20:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:20 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:20 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:20 |
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| NikolayM | hi ! | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | hey | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait for a couple of mins | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | I suspect that due to time shift nobody else may come ) | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish, looks like people got confused with that summer time shift | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| sarob | rluethi: you made it | 16:59 |
| rluethi | yuo | 16:59 |
| rluethi | hi | 16:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 17:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| sarob | roll call | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | yo | 17:02 |
| sarob | reed: can we get an update on the sphinx/landslide teacher feedback | 17:02 |
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| sarob | agenda | 17:02 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:03 |
| reed | hi sarob | 17:03 |
| sarob | reed: heloo | 17:03 |
| sarob | \o/ | 17:03 |
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| sarob | reed: whatz up | 17:04 |
| reed | nobody has strong opinions it seems, so I would suggest to just use hiero: it's simple to implement, requires no bash script | 17:04 |
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| sarob | reed: do we have pub automation? | 17:05 |
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| sarob | reed: i guess its already in use for the dev docs | 17:05 |
| reed | there was another suggestion to use reveal.js to render the RST on the fly (no build) but I didn't find a way to test that | 17:05 |
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| reed | sarob, I didn't test that part, sorry, I have no clue how to do that | 17:05 |
| reed | and I'm quite sure that my patch is a mess anyway, I don't know what I'm doing :) | 17:06 |
| sarob | rluethi: you guys were batting different .js pub options last meeting | 17:06 |
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| reed | reveal.js wants markdown not rst natively | 17:07 |
| sarob | i just want to publish slides | 17:07 |
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| sarob | dhellman: what are we using to publish html from dev RST right now? | 17:08 |
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| clarkb | sphinx | 17:09 |
| dhellmann | sarob: we use sphinx to convert rst to html | 17:09 |
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| sarob | ah, of course | 17:09 |
| sarob | duh | 17:09 |
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| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:09 |
| sayalilunkad | sorry for the delay | 17:10 |
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| sarob | sayalillunkad: np | 17:10 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 17:11 |
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| sayalilunkad | long day today. Had the openstack workshop | 17:11 |
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| reed | lets go sphinx-hiero, cut the knot and move on | 17:11 |
| sarob | clarkb: has infra looked at using hieroglyph or landslide for RST to HTML? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | reed: Im in :) | 17:11 |
| clarkb | sarob: I thought reed had | 17:12 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: good timing | 17:12 |
| reed | let me look for my patch | 17:13 |
| reed | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/ | 17:13 |
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| reed | I reorganized the dir structure to imitate infra/developer docs | 17:14 |
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| sarob | reed: guess i forgot the code was in there too | 17:14 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: thanks | 17:15 |
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| sarob | so i just want to branch juno at this poing | 17:15 |
| sarob | errg | 17:15 |
| sarob | point | 17:15 |
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| reed | my patch needs someone with more knowledge to test it at this point | 17:15 |
| reed | from the rst->html perspective, so that I can ask the upstream trainers to review the content | 17:16 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: do you have a few cycles to test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/ | 17:16 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: just a moment, let me check | 17:17 |
| sarob | ill approve of whatever works and gets html slides created | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I do | 17:18 |
| sayalilunkad | yep | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | I am in India, working on a Hackathon based on training guides | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | with sayalilunkad and vigneshvar | 17:18 |
| sarob | sweeet guys | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | It will take a few days - 2-3 weeks for me to back on track | 17:18 |
| sarob | more and more good stuff | 17:18 |
| sarob | happenning | 17:18 |
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| dguitarbite | but if you guys can work (RST content), I can manage to scrape some time and get the infra stuff for sphinx in with the jobs | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | so that we can have Juno released by the end of this month | 17:19 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: +1 | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | I can cover for Roger here | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | I think 2 weeks (end of this month) should be good time to get Juno Stable | 17:19 |
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| sarob | and published to openstack.org/marketplace/training | 17:19 |
| sarob | im okay with that | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | for the labs scripts | 17:20 |
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| sarob | that will give us a month for kilo | 17:20 |
| sarob | to be all caught up | 17:21 |
| sarob | lets move on | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: we need not rush through Kilo\ | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | we can do it a month after the summit | 17:21 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: hmm, sure | 17:21 |
| sarob | i guess im kinda rushy right now | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | and then release the L release | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | on time | 17:22 |
| sarob | #info juno branch rescheduled for end of march2015 | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | btw I will be making it to Canada for the summit this Summer :) | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | just got the travel support | 17:24 |
| sayalilunkad | me too :) | 17:24 |
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| sarob | #action dguitarbite working on testing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/ | 17:24 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: excellent. beers all around! | 17:24 |
| sarob | #topic landing page | 17:24 |
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| sarob | i have approval to add training-guides to the /marketplace/training online help section | 17:25 |
| sayalilunkad | awesome | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: that is aweosme! | 17:25 |
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| sarob | but i have not had time to design a landing page yet :( | 17:26 |
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| sarob | i will work with lauren and heidi from the foundation | 17:26 |
| sayalilunkad | ok | 17:26 |
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| sarob | on getting non sponsorship paying training classes into the schedule there | 17:27 |
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| sarob | its a bit of an issue the non-paying part | 17:27 |
| sarob | something to noodle on | 17:27 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I dont understand | 17:28 |
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| sarob | which what? | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | non sponsersip paying training classes part | 17:29 |
| sarob | #info training guides URL will be added to the openstack.org/marketplace/training online help section once the landing page and juno is branched | 17:29 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: ah | 17:29 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: in the marketplace | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:30 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: its pay sponsorship dues to be listed there | 17:30 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: pay to play | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | why? | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | yuk, will that be our content? | 17:30 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: good question | 17:31 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: content? | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | I need some explaination, may be talk later? | 17:31 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: sure | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: ok :) | 17:31 |
| sarob | generally | 17:32 |
| sarob | if a company pays openstack foundation annual sponsorship dues | 17:32 |
| sarob | they get listed in the openstack.org/marketplace | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | ok, I think I get what you mean | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | may be we could talk to the foundation | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | or present our project in peroson during the summit | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | *person | 17:33 |
| sarob | well, those two are the foundation staff | 17:33 |
| sarob | ;) | 17:34 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: ahh yes :D | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | sorry, Im tired, jet lagged and have a +40 degree change in temperature, its summer in India already : | 17:34 |
| sarob | we need to think through way that sponsorship still gets a benefit with free options side by side | 17:35 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: i totally get it | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yes, I would like to keep it open and free | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | I work on this project in my personal time | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | as do the rest of the team (atleast I believe so) | 17:35 |
| sarob | i think so too | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | :) | 17:36 |
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| sarob | although im working on blending training into my current gig | 17:36 |
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| sarob | blending, yes | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | Kool! You will be like a customer too then | 17:36 |
| sarob | yes indeedy | 17:36 |
| sarob | sooo | 17:37 |
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| sarob | #info sarob will continue to talk with foundation staff on blending commercial and open source training in the marketplace | 17:38 |
| sarob | #topic new landing page for docs.openstack.org | 17:38 |
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| sarob | once we have juno mostly ready | 17:39 |
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| sarob | i will ask that we be added back into docs.openstack.org | 17:39 |
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| sayalilunkad | yes that would be good | 17:39 |
| sarob | from trunk and branches | 17:39 |
| sarob | cause we are soo awesome | 17:40 |
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| sayalilunkad | haha | 17:40 |
| sayalilunkad | 8-) | 17:40 |
| sarob | #info as juno branch is readied, sarob will get training back into docs.openstack.org | 17:41 |
| sarob | movin on | 17:41 |
| sarob | #topic state of patches | 17:41 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-guides,n,z | 17:41 |
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| sarob | im going to get back into the swing of things | 17:43 |
| sarob | lets merge patches this week | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: what do you think of moving to sphinx? | 17:43 |
| sayalilunkad | yes | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: If reed's tools are ready ( I need to check ), it would be better to move to Sphinx | 17:44 |
| sarob | my resistance has been broken | 17:44 |
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| * dguitarbite the dark side has won! | 17:44 | |
| * rluethi is on a lousy internet connection | 17:44 | |
| reed | live long and prosper | 17:44 |
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| reed | oh, wait... that's the other one | 17:44 |
| sarob | my brain waves have gone sine | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | reed: ;) | 17:44 |
| sarob | ah, sweet compliance | 17:45 |
| sarob | lets get stuff merged | 17:45 |
| * dguitarbite I am not in heaven either rluethi! | 17:46 | |
| sayalilunkad | this week is a bit busy though since we have two openstack workshops | 17:46 |
| sarob | understood | 17:46 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: you don't deserve heaven, my patches are still unreviewed. | 17:46 |
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| sarob | bam | 17:47 |
| sayalilunkad | sorry rluethi the workshop was very exaustive! So couldnt get time to review them | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I already sold my soul to satan in exchange for rock and roll, I guess its coming closer :D | 17:47 |
| sarob | rluethi: ill take a pass through as well | 17:47 |
| sayalilunkad | We had an audience of 120 people! We went insane! you are gonna have a blast on skype :P | 17:47 |
| * sarob waves jazz hands | 17:47 | |
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| rluethi | sayalilunkad: just get me a better line than the one I had right now | 17:48 |
| * dguitarbite drools!!!! (jazz) | 17:48 | |
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| sayalilunkad | rluethi: ;p | 17:50 |
| sayalilunkad | potatoe potato | 17:50 |
| sarob | im all spent | 17:50 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:50 |
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| sarob | get a survey out to your audience if you can | 17:51 |
| sarob | more feedback | 17:51 |
| sarob | MORE | 17:51 |
| sayalilunkad | ok, will do that | 17:51 |
| sarob | MOOOOre | 17:51 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: need me to create a need one? | 17:52 |
| sarob | im a monkeywizard | 17:52 |
| sayalilunkad | we have the old one | 17:52 |
| sarob | okey dokey | 17:52 |
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| sayalilunkad | I didn't end up really distributing the previous one | 17:53 |
| sarob | no problems | 17:53 |
| sarob | you guys doing the workshop is awesome enough | 17:53 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad: pro-tip: not distributing the surveys diminishes their usefulness. | 17:54 |
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| sayalilunkad | i know :/ I did a stupid thing last time | 17:54 |
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| sayalilunkad | won't let them leave without filling it this time ;) | 17:54 |
| * sarob asks for a beer on the floor | 17:54 | |
| sarob | im getting punchy | 17:55 |
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| sarob | anything else my friends? | 17:55 |
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| sarob | okey dokey | 17:56 |
| sarob | i will call this meeting to a close | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | im good | 17:56 |
| rluethi | me, too | 17:56 |
| sayalilunkad | me too | 17:57 |
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| sarob | cheers! | 17:57 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| sayalilunkad | byee | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 17:57:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-16-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-16-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-16-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 20:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| sdake | \o, | 20:00 |
| rhallisey | hi | 20:00 |
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| Slower | o/ | 20:01 |
| daneyon_ | Hi! | 20:01 |
| Slower | daneyon_! | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic agenda | 20:01 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
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| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 20:01 |
| sdake | so shardy has joined us from the heat community to talk about fig integration | 20:01 |
| sdake | anyone have anything to add to the agenda? | 20:02 |
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| sdake | #topic TripleO Heat Integration | 20:02 |
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| sdake | we have spent the last milestone essentially making kolla consumable by third parties | 20:02 |
| sdake | previously ti was not consumable | 20:03 |
| sdake | it had a dependency on k8s and had no way to launching the containers indendepntly | 20:03 |
| sdake | we have fixed that with fig, and our idea of running the containers on bare metal rather than in k8s | 20:03 |
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| sdake | shardy for your benefit, we have done a significant about of docker-compose work to make kolla integrateable by third parties | 20:03 |
| sdake | on that note, shardy take it away :) | 20:03 |
| shardy | sdake: Ok, thanks | 20:04 |
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| shardy | so really, I just wanted to make folks aware of the recently revived efforts to make container deployment via heat possible | 20:04 |
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| shardy | ramishra has been doing some work making heat SoftwareConfig hooks to enable launching docker-compose containers via heat: | 20:04 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160642/ | 20:05 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164572 | 20:05 |
| sdake | does that review understand --env feature? | 20:05 |
| shardy | this is just a first step, but we're very keen to engage the kolla community for feedback | 20:05 |
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| sdake | shardy I think looking from the perspective of the tripleo community at kolla over the last 5 months, I would probably be in the position of "that looks neat, how do I integrate with it." | 20:06 |
| sdake | Do you think that problem still exists with thenew fig deployment model hitting our repo recently? | 20:06 |
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| shardy | sdake: yup, I'm not sure about env, that's the sort of feedback we're looking for | 20:06 |
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| shardy | e.g how can we make this integrate well with the work the kolla community is doing, with a view to e.g containerized TripleO in future | 20:07 |
| sdake | i.e. but yup :) | 20:07 |
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| shardy | we've added a bunch of good abstraction points to the tripleo heat templates lately, initially to allow encapsulation of puppet config, but the idea is you can plug in whatever implementation in future | 20:08 |
| sdake | anyone in the kolla community have any easy or hard qs for shardy? | 20:08 |
| daneyon_ | shardy: can you help us understand the fig support by providing an example? So, would I create a heat template that specifies a nova instance with the fig services that I want that instance to run? | 20:08 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: Good question, basically we're looking at two models, one where heat spins up a pre-built image via nova/ironic to run as the docker host, then deploy containers via SoftwareConfig | 20:10 |
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| sdake | pre-buit os image I assume you mean? | 20:10 |
| shardy | the other approach is using Fedora atomic images, and hosting the agents needed for the heat integration in a container, which launches other containers | 20:10 |
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| shardy | sdake: yup, or heat can bootstrap a vanilla image | 20:10 |
| inc0 | shardy, do we want to create kolla-container resource? | 20:11 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160642/6/hot/software-config/example-templates/example-docker-compose-template.yaml | 20:11 |
| daneyon_ | shardy: In model #1, so then would fig be one of the supported software config backends? | 20:11 |
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| shardy | here's an example | 20:11 |
| inc0 | that might be another alternative | 20:11 |
| sdake | inc0 I think a standard fig container resource would be ideal | 20:11 |
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| shardy | inc0: IMO, no - the SoftwareConfig abstractions already provide a clean (and more flexible) interface IMO | 20:11 |
| shardy | group: docker-compose | 20:11 |
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| shardy | that is all you need in the template to trigger the docker deployment, and all the complexity of knowing how to do it is contained in the hook script | 20:12 |
| daneyon_ | shardy: thx for sharing the template. That's pretty much what I was picturing, but it helps to see it for real | 20:13 |
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| shardy | inc0, sdake: there's no reason you couldn't implement a provider resource containing the SoftwareConfig stuff, if you wanted to hide the plumbing of how it's done | 20:13 |
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| shardy | but IMO the complexity and maintenance cost of a python plugin is not warranted (although one does exist for docker already) | 20:13 |
| sdake | shardy we provide fig.ymls, would those need to be encoded in heat dsl? | 20:13 |
| shardy | sdake: No, you can just reference them from the template with get_file: fig.yml | 20:14 |
| sdake | rught thx | 20:14 |
| shardy | python heatclient can then just pull the fig yaml in and pass it to heat | 20:14 |
| daneyon_ | Then kolla = the container content | 20:14 |
| shardy | heat then does the transport to get it onto the host, and the hook script launches it | 20:14 |
| shardy | daneyon_: exactly | 20:15 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160642/6/hot/software-config/elements/heat-config-docker-compose/install.d/hook-docker-compose.py | 20:15 |
| sdake | sounds like a viable integration path | 20:15 |
| shardy | that's the hook script which runs on the host, basically just runs docker-compose, very simple atm | 20:15 |
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| daneyon_ | The kolla becomes the container content... ie group: docker-compose: config: db: kollaglue/db-container | 20:16 |
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| shardy | Does anyone see any glaring pitfalls in this approach, or problems which will prevent us consuming the container content from kolla? | 20:16 |
| sdake | we need env support | 20:16 |
| sdake | i don't see how that works with get_file as described | 20:16 |
| Slower | pid=host, net=host, priveleged | 20:16 |
| sdake | maybe env needs to be a property or something | 20:16 |
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| Slower | pid=host isn't supported in stock upstream fig yet tho | 20:16 |
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| shardy | sdake: Deployment resources can take inputs - env is key/value pairs right? | 20:17 |
| sdake | right key/value, but in a specific format known to compose only | 20:17 |
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| rhallisey | env is the environment variable file | 20:17 |
| Slower | I wonder if env files would be supported? | 20:17 |
| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164834/ | 20:17 |
| sdake | shardy skim quickly ^ ;) | 20:17 |
| Slower | env_file: | 20:18 |
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| Slower | filename.env | 20:18 |
| sdake | env_file is a second get_file needed int he resource | 20:18 |
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| Slower | yeah | 20:18 |
| Slower | sdake: think that would 'just work' then? | 20:19 |
| sdake | i think if it was implemented yes :) | 20:19 |
| sdake | from what I can tell it is not presently but it doesn't seem like all that hard | 20:19 |
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| daneyon_ | shardy: after Heat orchestrates the fig deployment. Do operators simply use the fig/Docker commands for ongoing management of the services? | 20:19 |
| shardy | daneyon_: they could, but generally the idea is you manage the whole lifecycle of things created by heat with heat | 20:20 |
| shardy | e.g particularly update/delete of things, or heat won't know about any out-of-band management that happens directly | 20:20 |
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| shardy | the nice thing is heat can do stuff like transparently scale out containers, do batched rolling upgrades, things like that | 20:21 |
| shardy | which is why I'm pretty exited by the integration possibilities here :) | 20:21 |
| daneyon_ | shardy: Is the ongoing mgt through heat currently supported or will that follow on? | 20:22 |
| shardy | sdake, Slower: I'll take an action to investigate the env thing and report back (next week if you like) | 20:22 |
| shardy | ramishra is the expert on this, and unfortunately he's probably asleep ;) | 20:22 |
| sdake | sounds good shardy | 20:22 |
| Slower | shardy: sounds good | 20:22 |
| shardy | #action shardy to investigate env support in heat hook | 20:22 |
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| daneyon_ | shardy: and fig can scale containers, so would that feature be disabled? | 20:22 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: how does fig scale containers over multiple hosts? | 20:23 |
| Slower | I don't think we need it in this use case | 20:23 |
| shardy | e.g what orchestrates that? | 20:23 |
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| Slower | fig only manages the one host and we only need one instance of whatever services | 20:23 |
| sdake | shardy fig doesn't do multi-host | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | (hi) | 20:23 |
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| sdake | hey stevebaker | 20:23 |
| Slower | stevebaker!! | 20:23 |
| sdake | unfortuantely i think you ahve missed he conversation :) | 20:23 |
| inc0 | good evening Steve | 20:23 |
| sdake | anyone else have Qs to ask? | 20:23 |
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| sdake | or shall we move on? | 20:24 |
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| daneyon_ | shardy: It doesn't scale over multiple hosts today, but I'm sure that's on Docker In'c agenda with Swarm. Just scales on the same host doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It can just be confusing if fig supports scaling and so does Heat | 20:24 |
| sdake | I think in conclusion, everyone has done a bangup job in the last m2->m3 cycle of making fig consumable by third party projects | 20:24 |
| shardy | daneyon_: re the ongoing mgt, we've got the basic crud support going in now, I'm sure there will be further enhancements to come later | 20:24 |
| sdake | party like its 1999 | 20:24 |
| Slower | meeting topic: the awesome | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | did the compose hook land? | 20:25 |
| shardy | daneyon_: Ok, that's good feedback, sounds like some overlap to be aware of and potentially resolve then | 20:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yup | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | cool | 20:25 |
| sdake | i htink docker scaleout can be ignored | 20:25 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160642 | 20:25 |
| sdake | if heat handles it | 20:25 |
| sdake | i'd rather not involve swarm in the mess we already ahve ;) | 20:25 |
| shardy | daneyon_: I don't think anyone is saying heat should be the only way to scale out, merely that it's quite a need integration point and it fits well with the existing TripleO abstractions | 20:26 |
| sdake | pretty sure my brain is at 100 ATM atm :) | 20:26 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: agreed, just wanted to make shardy aware of it. | 20:26 |
| shardy | s/need/neat | 20:26 |
| shardy | Ok, well thanks guys, I won't take up any more of your meeting ;) | 20:26 |
| sdake | thanks shardy for coming | 20:26 |
| shardy | feel free to come chat to us in #heat if there are other questions | 20:26 |
| sdake | its good to know the triploe community is actually interested in our work ;) | 20:26 |
| rhallisey | shardy, thanks | 20:27 |
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| shardy | sdake: yup, very interested! :) | 20:27 |
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| sdake | #topic improving docker-compose integration | 20:27 |
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| sdake | ok so we have about 6 fig files | 20:27 |
| sdake | we have about 12 containers | 20:27 |
| sdake | we either need to delete containers or add fig files | 20:27 |
| sdake | whats it gonna be ;) | 20:27 |
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| rhallisey | add fig files | 20:28 |
| sdake | +1 | 20:28 |
| Slower | haha | 20:28 |
| Slower | ya +1 :) | 20:28 |
| daneyon_ | add figs | 20:29 |
| rhallisey | the reason being is that nova-conductor create the db and nova-api creates the keystone user | 20:29 |
| sdake | soudns like its unanimous | 20:29 |
| Slower | although I think we should focus on getting the ones we have to work solidly | 20:29 |
| sdake | agree | 20:29 |
| rhallisey | so I can see other race conditions happening | 20:29 |
| sdake | so we need to add to the agenda the topic of "when" we do this work | 20:29 |
| sdake | but we all agree it needs to be done | 20:29 |
| sdake | #topic adding HA features to kolla | 20:29 |
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| sdake | the masses want rabbitmq in ha mode, galera in ha mode, and load balancing in ha mode | 20:30 |
| sdake | these are 3 containers we will need to sort out in the coming months | 20:30 |
| sdake | or ignore ha alltogether | 20:30 |
| sdake | I'd say HA is our #2 priority after fig completion | 20:30 |
| sdake | what do other folks say? | 20:30 |
| rhallisey | give the people what they want :p | 20:31 |
| sdake | you will get a black car and like it! :) | 20:31 |
| rhallisey | :) | 20:31 |
| sdake | again another topic for "when" | 20:31 |
| sdake | since we can't do it immediatley in this m3 cycle | 20:31 |
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| sdake | jpeeler about? | 20:32 |
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| sdake | since jpeeler is out, I'll skip the CI for this week | 20:32 |
| jpeeler | oh hi | 20:32 |
| daneyon_ | HA is important | 20:32 |
| sdake | oh hey :) | 20:32 |
| Slower | maybe i'm crazy but I think minimal functioning container set is #1 | 20:32 |
| rhallisey | sdake, so but increasing the # of fig files does it mean we are abandoning the idea of container sets | 20:32 |
| sdake | rhallisey whatever works | 20:32 |
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| sdake | I like container sets wher ethey fit - like nova compte or conudcotr | 20:33 |
| rhallisey | sdake, maybe your blueprint will need a change then | 20:33 |
| Slower | minimal functioning containerized openstack install working I mean | 20:33 |
| sdake | ya the spec needs changing | 20:33 |
| sdake | slower ack that, we need that done so that is priority #0 | 20:33 |
| sdake | although iI am pretty sure we are close there | 20:33 |
| Slower | ok I like that :) | 20:33 |
| rhallisey | sdake, that's true, some of them can be made into set | 20:33 |
| rhallisey | sets | 20:33 |
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| sdake | a set can be 1 or more things | 20:33 |
| jpeeler | sdake: i'm here - but i don't have an update as i haven't worked on the testing any. when is this milestone over again? | 20:33 |
| sdake | so indeed they can be sets :) | 20:33 |
| sdake | 19th of march is the deadline | 20:34 |
| sdake | #topic milestone #3 planning | 20:34 |
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| sdake | so march 19th is our milestone daedline | 20:34 |
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| sdake | I think we are really close | 20:34 |
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| sdake | we should be focused on making the fig.ymls we have published work with the containers we have today | 20:34 |
| sdake | and visa-versa | 20:34 |
| sdake | and assuming all that is correct, I'll cut the m3 branch on the 19th | 20:35 |
| sdake | so that is priority #0, lets focus on that | 20:35 |
| sdake | make sure fig + containers we have today work + make sure what we have is documented | 20:35 |
| rhallisey | Slower and I have it working on our own images so will push and rebuild those images | 20:35 |
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| sdake | lets make the upstream imags work rhallisey | 20:35 |
| rhallisey | yes | 20:35 |
| sdake | figure out the diffs | 20:35 |
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| sdake | and get em submitted | 20:35 |
| rhallisey | that's what I'm saying | 20:36 |
| sdake | cool | 20:36 |
| sdake | sounds good then :) | 20:36 |
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| sdake | I am going to bounce all the other stuff into milestone #4 | 20:36 |
| sdake | which will land prior to ODS | 20:36 |
| sdake | April 30th sound good for a date? | 20:36 |
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| Slower | sure | 20:37 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: re; priority 0, I would like to discuss this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159004/ | 20:37 |
| rhallisey | sounds good | 20:37 |
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| daneyon_ | sdake: Let me know if you would like to dicuss during this meeting or offline | 20:37 |
| Slower | daneyon_: yes | 20:37 |
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| sdake | lets discuss now daneyon_ | 20:37 |
| sdake | any blockers queue up | 20:37 |
| Slower | s/fedora/centos/ ? | 20:38 |
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| daneyon_ | OK. Pls take a look at my last reponse and help me better understand your concerns | 20:38 |
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| Slower | I think we should do all centos and then we can do a patch to allow others | 20:38 |
| Slower | which actually is another topic, how to do that well | 20:38 |
| sdake | quoting you daneyon: | 20:38 |
| sdake | If we do not use a data container, then we simply host mount the required DIRs within the app container as we have always done. In that case, if you rm the fig composed service, then the data is gone in that scenario. | 20:38 |
| sdake | the host woudl still have the database on it right? | 20:38 |
| daneyon_ | I see the db-app/db-data container set as a perfect example for using the 2 under a sinfgle fig yml... treating them a single service | 20:39 |
| sdake | so when the container starts up again, even after a docker rm, itwould be read | 20:39 |
| Slower | that's what we're doing and it persists | 20:39 |
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| sdake | slower you mean that container in that review persists? | 20:39 |
| sdake | when I ran it, it did not persist | 20:39 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: Using the standard data mgt method, the data would be gone if you did a fig rm. | 20:40 |
| sdake | all I care about is the data persists | 20:40 |
| Slower | sdake: I haven't tried that one | 20:40 |
| sdake | but if you bind mount - it is stored on the host | 20:40 |
| sdake | this is theo nly way I know to get data to persist | 20:40 |
| daneyon_ | what are best practices for managing individual containers within a fig managed environment? | 20:40 |
| Slower | we are running with -v /var/lib/mysql and it presists | 20:40 |
| sdake | daneyon_ I think docker-compose is so green we are making up best practices | 20:40 |
| Slower | on a plane single container | 20:40 |
| Slower | plain | 20:41 |
| daneyon_ | a service = multiple containers. you want to upgrade portions of the service. How should this be done when using fig? | 20:41 |
| sdake | ya taht is a host bind mount | 20:41 |
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| sdake | we haven't really sorted out upgrade other then compose pull compose stop compose rm compose up | 20:41 |
| sdake | I have tested this works with nova-compute but not the db containers | 20:42 |
| Slower | yeah if you just add the bind mount to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163953/2 it'd persist | 20:42 |
| sdake | daneyon_ any objection to adding the bind mount then? | 20:42 |
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| Slower | daneyon_: I must confess I do not understand the idea of splitting them up like that? | 20:42 |
| Slower | what do you gain? | 20:42 |
| sdake | one is responsible for execution one is responsible for storage of data | 20:43 |
| sdake | it makes sense to me | 20:43 |
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| sdake | the part that doens't make sense is the nonpersistence :) | 20:43 |
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| sdake | this is one of the things that killed k8s for us - no host bindmounting | 20:44 |
| daneyon_ | Slower: So, you run a container with the mysql bind mount to the host. You stop and destroy the container, start a new container with the mysql bind mount and it has the same data? | 20:44 |
| sdake | specifically for the database | 20:44 |
| sdake | daneyon_ 10-4 | 20:44 |
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| Slower | daneyon_: yes | 20:44 |
| Slower | daneyon_: because all the data is on the host fs | 20:44 |
| Slower | tbh I'm not sure why you'd add the complexity if you aren't really getting anything from it | 20:45 |
| daneyon_ | Slower: If you need to perform maintenance on the host, then the the container is down... you loose a key feature of containers... portability. | 20:46 |
| * Slower likes simple | 20:46 | |
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| Slower | I see so you would just keep that container running forever.. ? | 20:46 |
| sdake | interesting thinking daneyon_ | 20:46 |
| Slower | what about reboots? | 20:46 |
| sdake | but I dont think we want to encourage portability in our design methods | 20:47 |
| sdake | the work of figuring out on the host which needs to be copied to a new host for maintenance is an unsolved problem | 20:47 |
| sdake | but I'm not sure we can solve it in a meaningful way | 20:47 |
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| daneyon_ | Slower: The thought of seperating the two was more from an ongoing operations standpoint. If I wanted to upgrade my mysql app and something goes wrong, I could corrupt or loose my data within the container. | 20:47 |
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| sdake | here comes container checkpointing ;) | 20:48 |
| Slower | haha | 20:48 |
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| Slower | I'm going to say.. the db should be the one being reliable? :) | 20:48 |
| sdake | danyeon_ if you can make the container persistent between kills, I'm open to having multipel containers | 20:49 |
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| Slower | I wonder if a truly robust installation wouldn't have a real dedicated db system | 20:49 |
| sdake | a robust installation system would have dbs running in containers in ha fashion | 20:50 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: I'll go back to a single db container since we have other pressing needs. | 20:50 |
| sdake | and a way to back em up on the fly | 20:50 |
| sdake | daneyon_ two containers is fine, just bindmount the data container | 20:50 |
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| sdake | but agree re pressing needs | 20:50 |
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| daneyon_ | sdake: That's what I do and then the app containers pulls it's vols from the db-data container | 20:51 |
| sdake | anything else out there lurking that needs addressing? | 20:51 |
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| sdake | but when it pulls the vols form the db_data container, have the db_data container bindmount | 20:51 |
| sdake | that way its pulling its vols from the host os | 20:51 |
| Slower | how are we going to address fedora vs centos containers? | 20:51 |
| sdake | maybe that does or doesn't work, I don't know | 20:51 |
| Slower | It would be nice to not duplicate the yml files | 20:51 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: maybe all i need to do is specify the source of the bind mount in the db-data container | 20:51 |
| sdake | slower i htink for now we just say "Centos is the way to go" | 20:51 |
| sdake | danyeon_ ack sounds like that should work | 20:52 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: could you give that a try? | 20:52 |
| sdake | daneyon_ provide a patch I'll test | 20:52 |
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| daneyon_ | sdake: will do | 20:52 |
| sdake | can folks clean up the review queue today | 20:52 |
| sdake | and hammer all the reviews ou t that are pending | 20:52 |
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| sdake | so we can start m0ar testing | 20:52 |
| Slower | yeah | 20:53 |
| Slower | sounds good | 20:53 |
| sdake | #topic open conversation | 20:53 |
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| sdake | we have 7 minutes :) | 20:53 |
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| rhallisey | Ian and I started a #kolla channel on freenode | 20:54 |
| sdake | should register it with openstack | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | if you wanted to discuss there | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | ok | 20:54 |
| sdake | so it doesn't get ninja hijacked | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | sounds good | 20:54 |
| sdake | there are instructions in the google search somewhere :) | 20:54 |
| rhallisey | I'll find it | 20:55 |
| rhallisey | join #kolla ! | 20:55 |
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| jpeeler | apologies on being absent earlier - catching up on the meeting. to summarize, we're thinking long term kolla will integrate with tripleO now? | 20:55 |
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| sdake | jpeeler seems plausible | 20:55 |
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| sdake | ok folks well thanks for coming! | 20:56 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 20:56:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-16-20.00.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-16-20.00.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-16-20.00.log.html | 20:56 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 20:56 |
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| mestery | howdy neutron folks! | 20:58 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:58 |
| yamamoto | hi | 20:58 |
| armax | yello | 20:58 |
| yamahata | hello! | 20:58 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 20:58 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hello | 20:59 |
| shivharis | hi | 20:59 |
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| Swami | hi | 20:59 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| banix | hi | 20:59 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:59 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | \o | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 16 21:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:00 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:00 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | Feature freeze is this week | 21:00 |
| mestery | #info Feature Freeze is this week | 21:00 |
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| mestery | Given the gate issues we've had, if you want to be extra sure your stuff merges by Thursday, get it in the queue by tomorrow. | 21:01 |
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| kevinbenton | does deadline apply to merge time or approve time? | 21:01 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Merge time | 21:01 |
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| mestery | I expect some folks to ask for FFEs, I've already discussed with a few of you about that. | 21:01 |
| mestery | For now, lets see what we can merge this week. | 21:02 |
| mestery | And deal with FFEs post-Thursday. | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-3 | 21:02 |
| mestery | ^^^^ is your review list | 21:02 |
| mestery | Please try to focus there and not just randomly in gerrit :) | 21:02 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 21:02 |
| Sukhdev | can I make an announcement> | 21:02 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Please! | 21:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Wanted to let the wider team know that L2 Gateway team has come with the initial implementation of L2 Gateway api | 21:03 |
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| Sukhdev | and it is ready for testing by wider community | 21:04 |
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| mestery | #info The L2 gateway team has finalized the L2 gateway API | 21:04 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Cool! | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/L2-GW | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | Sukhdev: cool, what's the backend for the ref impl? | 21:04 |
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| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: OVSDB | 21:04 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Nice nice nice! | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | Sukhdev: great thanks! | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | We would like folks to jump in and give it a test drive | 21:04 |
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| mestery | #info L2 Gateway team would love to get feedback | 21:05 |
| mestery | Sukhdev and team: very cool! Any other announcements from anyone? | 21:05 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move along then. | 21:05 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| mestery | enikanorov enikanorov__ can't join us today, but he wanted us to highlight a few bugs | 21:06 |
| mestery | Like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1432065 | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432065 in neutron "DBDeadlock: (OperationalError) (1213, 'Deadlock found when trying to get lock; try restarting transaction') 'DELETE FROM ipallocationpools WHERE ipallocationpools.id" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | not the first time I see this failure | 21:06 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Any ideas, or it's just a familiar face? | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | we know the root cause - but we love bikeshedding on whether it's better to take the hit for the deadlock or have a non locking approach | 21:06 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ah, right. | 21:07 |
| * mestery proposes we bikeshed on the review rather than here in the meeting | 21:07 | |
| salv-orlando | I'm pretty sure I saw something from rossella_s that even if not elegant would have solved the issue | 21:07 |
| mestery | It's a more intimate bike shedding that way | 21:07 |
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| dougwig | pink | 21:07 |
| mestery | lol | 21:07 |
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| mestery | Also, this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1419723 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1419723 in neutron "DBDuplicateEntry when creating secgroup" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eugene Nikanorov (enikanorov) | 21:07 |
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| mestery | Handled byt this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164463/ | 21:08 |
| rossella_s | salv-orlando are you referring some patch that I had to retry to operation or to the one that removes the lock? | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | rossella_s: the retry one | 21:09 |
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| rossella_s | salv-orlando I can start working on that again if there's consensus...there have been lots of discussions about that strategy | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | rossella_s: consensus there will be once the bike shed has a good coat of painting | 21:10 |
| rossella_s | salv-orlando: :) | 21:10 |
| mestery | lol | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | rossella_s: mestery asked us to move discussion to ML/gerrit/launchpad. Possibly bug report on launchpad as it seems the most rcent point of discussion | 21:11 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 21:11 |
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| mestery | Any other bugs the team should discuss this week? | 21:11 |
| mestery | Well, I''ll just mention this one here: | 21:11 |
| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1432091 | 21:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432091 in tempest "tempest javelin is busted" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 21:11 |
| mestery | That's the grenade bug from the weekend which is now fixed but which stopped neutron development for the weekend and today | 21:11 |
| * mestery thinks most people are familiar with that one | 21:12 | |
| mestery | Any other bugs? | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | that is one great way of taking a weekend + monday off | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | break the gate on a friday | 21:12 |
| mestery | It was a brilliant plan salv-orlando. | 21:12 |
| dougwig | brilliant, and i hear that the tears of developers is good for the complexion. | 21:13 |
| mestery | lol | 21:13 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on | 21:13 |
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| anteaya | dougwig: sell that | 21:13 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:13 |
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| mestery | emagana: Around? | 21:13 |
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| emagana | mestery: Yes! | 21:14 |
| mestery | And if not, pc_m, wanted to bringup the VPN API docs here in this slot | 21:14 |
| armax | I take full responsability for not having reverted the culprit in the first place | 21:14 |
| armax | :( | 21:14 |
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| * mestery shakes his fist at armax | 21:14 | |
| emagana | mestery: just a short networking docs meeting last friday | 21:14 |
| armax | and EmilienM | 21:14 |
| armax | :) | 21:14 |
| mestery | cool, thanks emagana! | 21:14 |
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| emagana | keep working on migrating work from github .rst to the new framework | 21:15 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Wondering if old stuff it cached/saved somewhere | 21:15 |
| mestery | About those VPN API docs: I suggested to pc_m he ping you emagana so we can work to get them added to the official API docs somehow. | 21:15 |
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| emagana | mestery: I already talked to pc_m.. Actually, he conatcted me | 21:15 |
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| emagana | contacted* | 21:15 |
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| mestery | emagana: Sweet, great! | 21:16 |
| pc_m | mestery: Have example REST requests and responses but rest of the content is gone. | 21:16 |
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| mestery | pc_m: I don't know how that happened, it's weird | 21:16 |
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| pc_m | mestery: hence hoping if anyone knows if we have a cached/backed up version somewhere of the wiki | 21:16 |
| emagana | pc_m mestery: I am sure that the references are gone but the files shoudl be still around | 21:16 |
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| mestery | pc_m: Ok, lets see if we can find those. | 21:17 |
| pc_m | Can only find the JSON files. Nothing more. | 21:17 |
| mestery | pc_m: We can do that post meeting, or even more likely, post FF this week :) | 21:17 |
| mestery | emagana: Any other doc updates for the team? | 21:17 |
| pc_m | (in the old repo) | 21:17 |
| pc_m | mestery: Sure | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | emagana, pc_m I think I was already asked this question? | 21:17 |
| emagana | mestery: not really, slow process :-( | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | api reference repos have moved into openstack-attic | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | all content copied into openstack/neutron-specs | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | rendering might not work as expected, but all the content is there | 21:18 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Nice! | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | and if not, it's in openstack-attic | 21:18 |
| mestery | pc_m: ^^^^ | 21:18 |
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| pc_m | salv-orlando: Will talk to you off-line. I can only fine some of the info. | 21:18 |
| pc_m | (in the attic) | 21:18 |
| anteaya | pc_m: it should all be there in the history | 21:19 |
| anteaya | we just made the repo read only | 21:19 |
| anteaya | that is the only change | 21:19 |
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| pc_m | will ping you guys. I'll look again, but can't find info. | 21:19 |
| anteaya | okay | 21:19 |
| mestery | thanks for the help anteaya! | 21:20 |
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| anteaya | sure | 21:20 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:20 |
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| mestery | Given the gate failure and FF, that's all I had this week | 21:20 |
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| amotoki | pc_m: i found some API contennts in the history of https://github.com/openstack-attic/netconn-api/ | 21:20 |
| mestery | I propose we continue focusing on landing the remaining K3 code | 21:20 |
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| salv-orlando | thanks mestery for giving us back 40 minutes | 21:21 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: yw :) | 21:21 |
| marun | time we can spend waiting on the gate :/ | 21:21 |
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| mestery | marun: Well, there's that ... | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | while we wait can we discuss paint colors :p | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | marun: it's called "contemplating the gate" | 21:21 |
| marun | chartreuse! | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | can we make a feature branch for pecan work? | 21:21 |
| anteaya | marun: that's a yellow right? | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: sure, why not | 21:22 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Yes | 21:22 |
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| marun | anteaya: halfway between yellow and green | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | kevinbenton: do we need one? | 21:22 |
| pc_m | amotoki: Yeah, but search for ipsec, all you'll find is .json files. | 21:22 |
| anteaya | marun: ew | 21:22 |
| marun | anteaya: my feelings exactly | 21:22 |
| mestery | lol | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I think perhaps kevinbenton want to have something he can test in flight and allow other people to drop commits on it? | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: the nice thing about a feature branch is we can turn on pecan right away and get all of the jobs testing against it | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | osrry marun, that was for markmcclain | 21:23 |
| marun | anteaya: but sometimes you have to set the stage for what you really want ;) | 21:23 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: markmcclain you mean? | 21:23 |
| anteaya | marun: the set up | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: rather than dropping it in and having special instructions to enable it | 21:23 |
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| marun | +1 for feature branch | 21:23 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ack, ping me and we'll make it happen | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | kevinbenton: yeah… there's that… more concerned about the syncing of the two | 21:23 |
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| marun | it would be good to see how faster iteration works out in practice | 21:23 |
| mestery | markmcclain: That will be my cross to carry :| | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: like conflicts? | 21:24 |
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| marun | markmcclain: isn't perestroika supposed to save us? | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | marun: yes | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | so far the code i have been touching hasn't had changes since the stone age | 21:24 |
| * marun looks pointedly at salv-orlando | 21:24 | |
| salv-orlando | marun: I would ask that to the russians ;) | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | so i don't suspect a lot of conflicts | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | marun: that perestroika thing is haunting me | 21:24 |
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| mestery | #action mestery Get a feature branch for pecan work | 21:25 |
| marun | salv-orlando: you touched it! | 21:25 |
| mestery | Look at that, an action item! | 21:25 |
| anteaya | you folks really don't want 40 minutes do you | 21:25 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for coming folks! | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | I did just file a spec in utah for relieving somebody else from the pressure of working on it!!!! | 21:25 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 21:25:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-03-16-21.00.html | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-03-16-21.00.txt | 21:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-03-16-21.00.log.html | 21:25 |
| rkukura | bye | 21:25 |
| mestery | anteaya: You see what I did there? | 21:25 |
| mestery | :") | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | but that has become "my spec" now ;) | 21:25 |
| anteaya | mestery: I saw that | 21:25 |
| mestery | lol | 21:25 |
| armax | bye | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | I'll never do something like that again! | 21:25 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | lol | 21:25 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:25 |
| marun | ciao | 21:25 |
| amotoki | bye | 21:25 |
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