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anteaya#startmeeting third-party08:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  7 08:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)"08:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'08:00
anteayaraise your hand if you are here for the third party meeting08:00
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anteayaeantyshev: hello08:31
anteayaso I hold two third-party meetings per week, one on Monday's at 150008:31
anteayaand one on Tuesdays at 080008:31
anteayayou have good timing08:31
eantyshevanteaya: hello, issue is resolved08:32
anteayacan you tell me what you did to fix it?08:32
anteayathen others can read the logs and find out as well08:32
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eantyshevenough to replace SCP publisher plugin with customized08:33
anteayawhere did you find the customized plugin?08:34
eantyshevthat latest link, thanks to asselin: #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/ci/08:34
anteayayou read the logs after you left Monday's meeting?08:35
eantyshevwonder how did I get original version08:35
eantyshevanteaya: yes, just had to go then08:36
anteayaah I see okay08:36
anteayanext time, can you let me know?08:36
anteayaI thought I had hurt your feelings, so you left08:36
anteayaI felt bad08:36
anteayaas that wasn't my intention08:36
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eantyshevsorry for sudden leave, just had to go, that's all08:36
anteayathanks for coming back08:37
anteayaand you let us know you found a fix08:37
anteayaso as I recall the underlying issue is that devstack wasn't working for you08:37
anteayahave you made any progress there?08:37
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eantyshevI execute devstack in rather special environment, testing our custom virtualization platform, so it fails predictably08:39
anteayaand now you have logs to tell you about your expected failures08:40
anteayagood enough08:40
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anteayaeantyshev: is there anything else you would like to discuss about your system right now?08:44
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eantyshevanteaya: got banned in openstack/nova for misbehaving CI, acting by my creadentials08:50
anteayaah you are the one we emailed08:50
anteayawe disabled your ci account, we didn't ban you08:51
anteayaglad you came back to learn how to play nice08:51
anteayathank you08:51
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eantyshevanteaya: measures have been taken, now it has own creds: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Parallels_PCS6_CI08:53
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anteayaand please add your irc nick to the contact information there08:54
anteayathen we know who to try to ping when we have a question08:54
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anteayawe only emailed you because it was a very odd circumstance08:54
anteayanormally I dno't email anyone, just disable if I have to and then post to third party announce08:54
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anteayaeantyshev: we are almost out of time08:58
anteayaeantyshev: at least you know how to find 2 meetings a week if you want them08:58
anteayaalso be sure to attend the nova weekly meeting and be active in the -nova channel08:59
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anteayaeantyshev: introduce yourself to dims08:59
anteayaand I'm going to end the meeting08:59
anteayathanks eantyshev, glad you returned09:00
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mestery#startmeeting networking14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  7 14:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'14:00
mestery#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda14:00
mestery#topic Announcements14:00
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mestery#info We'll be cutting the Kilo RC on Thursday at this point, barring any bugs which lapse into Friday from the RC1 list.14:01
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mestery#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc114:01
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mesteryWe'll cover the RC1 bugs after announcements14:01
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mestery#info Neutron mid-cycle set for June 24-26 in Fort Collins, CO14:01
mestery#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060713.html14:01
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mesteryThe RC is the main focus right now, so lets jump into the RC bugs before continuing with the rest of the agenda.14:02
mestery#topic Kilo RC Bug Scrub14:02
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mesteryThe link again:14:02
mestery#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc114:02
mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/143466714:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1434667 in neutron "VLAN transparent feature cleanup" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to pritesh (pritesh)14:02
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mesteryamotoki: Looks like you're good with this one so far, pending Jenkins.14:03
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amotokimestery: yes14:03
mesterypritesh has been iterating on it, so I think this one looks to be in good shape.14:03
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mesteryamotoki: thanks!14:03
amotokisome discussion point related to ml2 plugins is remaining but we can address separately14:04
salv-orlandoamotoki: did pritesh remove the config option at the end?14:04
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amotokisalv-orlando: no so far. I think we can remove in a follow-up patch.14:04
salv-orlandoif that's ok for you it works for me... if pritesh won't do that,  I will ;)14:04
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mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/143896914:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1438969 in neutron "Newly created DVR router as a result of new VM does not get ARP neighbors update, new VM has no connectivity" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio)14:05
HenryGpritesh is being very responsive so he could do it today I am sure14:05
mesteryI know armax took this one over and was working on some tests for this one yet14:05
mesteryI'll ping armax when he wakes up later :)14:05
mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/144018314:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1440183 in neutron "DBDeadlock on subnet allocation" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dane LeBlanc (leblancd)14:05
mesterydane_leblanc: How is this one coming?14:05
salv-orlandomestery: this is the one where I'm being a pita14:05
dane_leblancmestery: I've got 2 patches out for review14:05
mesteryI know enikanorov also was looking at this one.14:06
mesterysalv-orlando: Can you explain more?14:06
mesteryDo you have concerns on the approach being taken?14:06
dane_leblancmestery: Either seems to fix the problem, not sure if we want both merged.14:06
enikanorov_dane_leblanc: right now the patch only fixes single worker case14:06
enikanorov_dane_leblanc: do you think it would be too different to add retrying logic there?14:06
enikanorov_the concern is that nobody uses neutron in single worker mode14:06
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salv-orlandonope... it's just that a catch on DBReferenceError appeared, but it's not clear exactly how a concurrent allocation might cause that. I am simply looking for a clarification14:07
mesterysalv-orlando: Ack14:07
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salv-orlandoI pointed that out in the review, and eventually I'll find 30 minutes to look at the logs myself14:07
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dane_leblancenikanorov: Retrying will help the multi neutron node?14:07
enikanorov_just another manifestation of the issue14:07
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enikanorov_dane_leblanc: look at IntegrityError by the link above14:08
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salv-orlandoI'm not sure how many bugs there are there then14:08
enikanorov_your solution would fix that for single server, but for multuiple servers it will not work14:08
salv-orlandobecause I followed the discussion and the fingers was pointed against the lock wait timeout issue, now enikanorov_ is suggesting there is also a genuine concurrency issue?14:08
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enikanorov_salv-orlando: i'm surprised too :)14:09
salv-orlandosorry, by "lock wait timeout" I meant "the funny eventlet thing"14:09
dane_leblancsalv-orlando: Yes. For some reason, the previous delete transaction finished...14:09
enikanorov_salv-orlando: btw, its postgres, so no eventlet issues14:09
dane_leblancbut the next create-subnet transaction is finding an entry in the port table14:09
enikanorov_its postgres - i mean failure with IntegrityError14:09
dane_leblancAn entry that should be deleted at that point.14:10
salv-orlandoenikanorov_: thanks. So it could actually be a dirty read14:10
salv-orlando(if it happens only with postgres)14:10
enikanorov_it's usual race with allocation imo14:11
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salv-orlandoI start to understand now. The follow up question however is... what is the greenthread lock protecting us against?14:11
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enikanorov_it's protecting us against correct solution :)14:12
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salv-orlandoanyway, mestery is probably hating us for wasting precious meeting time. I guess we can sort this out by the end of the day.14:12
salv-orlandoon gerrit and openstack-neutron14:12
mesterysalv-orlando: It's not a problem, the RC is the main thing and this bug is targeted there :)14:12
mesteryBut yes, gerrit and #openstack-neutron seem appropriate now.14:13
mesterySo, lets move on to th next bug14:13
mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/127403414:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1274034 in neutron "Neutron firewall anti-spoofing does not prevent ARP poisoning" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)14:13
mesterykevinbenton has a potential arp poisining fix using OVS14:13
mesteryI'm not sure we'll block the release on this, but for now, his fix is elegant enough it's worth looking at14:13
mesteryyamamoto has already reviewed this (thanks!) I know14:13
mestery#link https://review.openstack.org/17100314:14
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salv-orlandomestery you actually used hackish and elegant in the same sentence!?!14:14
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mesterykevinbenton is keen on seeing a fix for this in Kilo, so lets see what we can do today14:15
mesteryNext up14:15
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mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/143832914:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1438329 in neutron "Example configuration files lack changes for Kilo" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Edgar Magana (emagana)14:15
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mesteryemagana has proposed a change to update our neutron.conf file which was out of date a bit14:15
mesteryIn Liberty, we should move to auto-generating this like nova does, but for now, this is the fix we have14:15
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mestery#link https://review.openstack.org/17105914:16
mesteryPlease review and provide feedback14:16
mesteryNext up14:16
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mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/143981714:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1439817 in neutron "IP set full error in kernel log" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)14:16
mesteryThis one is in the merge queue, thanks to haleyb for grabbing it by the horns and driving it to completion!14:16
mesteryAnd finally we have this one14:17
mestery#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/144082414:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1440824 in neutron "Restricting shell scripts to sh only kills productivity" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Maru Newby (maru)14:17
mesterymarun: Did you want to discuss this one here now?14:17
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mesteryI know you put it on the agenda for later14:17
mesteryBut lets cover it here if you're ok with that.14:17
marunIs yamamoto here to advocate for non-bash?14:17
mesteryI saw him earlier, yes.14:17
yamamotomarun: hi14:17
marunOr is there anyone else that thinks we should be restricting outselves to sh?14:17
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marunyamamoto: hi14:17
marunyamamoto: I've been adding a lot of bash scripts lately.14:18
ihrachyshkaif it's dev only, go safely with bash14:18
marunyamamoto: They are dev only, yes14:18
salv-orlandoI am ok with maru's proposal.14:18
marunyamamoto: Is the concern with non-dev bash scripts?14:18
mestery++ to marun's proposal14:18
yamamotomarun: bash makes my life a little harder but it won't kill me14:18
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ihrachyshkabash is not the worst test dep we have after all14:19
mesteryOK, so I tihnk we have agreement to merge that patch marun.14:19
ihrachyshkatest -> dev14:19
markmcclaindevstack requires bash, so there's already a clear precedence for it in dev envs14:19
mestery#agreed We'll move forward with allowing bash scripts14:19
mesteryOK, we made it through the RC bugs.14:20
mesteryIf anyone finds a new blocking bug in the next few days, please reach out and let me know.14:20
mesteryI'm not saying we'll have an RC2, but our history indicates we may14:20
salv-orlandomestery: I did not see any blocking bug. We've move all core api changes to extension, so I guess we're good14:20
mesterysalv-orlando: Ack, and thanks!14:20
salv-orlandoThe only remark is that subnet pools are a "mock extension"14:21
mesteryI had gone through and scrubbed all critical/high bugs a few weeks back as well14:21
salv-orlandomeaning that even if they're not marked as supported, the API resources are still there. Is anyone annoyed by that?14:21
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salv-orlandoIf yes, we can sort that out with a quick patch.14:21
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amotokii am okay with it. most plugins consume subnet impl from db plugin.14:22
mesterysalv-orlando: Did you want to propose the quick patch and we can review in gerrit? Or it's not even worth it if no one complains?14:22
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salv-orlandofor what amotoki said we're talking about 1 plugin only (of the known ones)14:22
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salv-orlandothen I cannot speak for other off-tree plugins of which we are not aware14:23
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mesteryOK, lets move on now.14:23
mesteryLets skip bugs/docs today in interest of keeping the meeting short to focus on the RC14:24
mestery#topic Open Discussion14:24
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mestery#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics14:24
mesteryLiberty Summit etherpad link ^^^14:24
mesteryWe'll begin digging into that in earnest next week once the RC is out14:24
mesteryPlease continue posting ideas there though14:25
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mesteryOK, thanks everyone, lets keep the focus on the RC bugs for the next two days.14:26
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mesteryKilo is almost baked, lets make sure it smells good too. ;)14:26
mesterySee you all next week and on IRC/ML!14:26
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ajobyee :)14:28
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amotokibye, night14:28
ajonight amotoki  :)14:29
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n0ano#startmeeting gantt15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  7 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gantt'15:00
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n0anoanyone here to talk about the scheduler?15:00
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n0anobauzas, tnx, I was beginning to think there was a problem with my IRC client (no activity on #openstack-nova for over 15 min :-)15:03
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bauzasn0ano: I was working on a cells job, so I missed the first 2 mins :)15:03
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bauzaswe can maybe wait for others :)15:03
n0anoNP, if it's just you and I (me?) we can do this pretty quick15:03
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n0anoI think edleafe said he would be away this week15:04
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bauzasoh ok15:04
bauzasPaul seems also offline15:04
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bauzasokay, the next people who says "o/" gets a free beer for Vancouver15:05
* bauzas trying new ways to get people interested15:05
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n0anoand alex_xu is normally prompt15:05
* n0ano considers logging off and then back on - free beer15:06
bauzaseh, just change your nick then ;)15:06
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bauzas#info edleafe gets a free beer at Vancouver15:06
n0anoedleafe, quick, type o/ and you get a free beer :-)15:06
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bauzas2 hands doesn't mean 2 beers15:07
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edleafeI was being greedy15:07
bauzasokay, 3 of us15:07
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n0anoOK, let's be semi-serious15:07
n0ano#topic gantt - what's in a name15:07
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bauzasedleafe: see ^ for your gift15:07
n0anoI think we beat this to death on the mailing list15:08
bauzasn0ano: yeah...15:08
edleafebauzas: yeah!15:08
edleafen0ano: pretty much15:08
bauzasn0ano: sounds like we got an agreement, nope ?15:08
bauzasI don't like to say that Gantt is dead, just that the repo is *dead*15:08
bauzasor freezed, even better15:08
n0anoI think so, I will still send out emails with `gantt' in the subject just so I don't have to change my mailer rules but yes, the repo is frozen and make sure people are aware that scheduler work is ongoing15:09
* bauzas even if I have a 4yo daughter who likes Disney15:09
bauzasn0ano: yeah... at least we are clear15:09
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* n0ano has a 23 year old daughter who likes Disney15:09
n0anoso, moving on...15:10
n0ano#topic patch status15:10
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edleafeI got my little bug fix patch merged last week15:10
bauzasnothing really serious from me15:10
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bauzasedleafe: link ?15:10
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n0anoI have to say I'm a little confused, we're well beyond FF but Paul's remaining 4 patches haven't been -2'd, can they still be merged?15:11
edleafebauzas: https://review.openstack.org/16584915:11
bauzasn0ano: don't think so, RC1 is Thrus15:11
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bauzasn0ano: it's kinda delayed to Liberty15:11
edleafeyeah, those are Liberty now15:12
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n0anothat was my thought, so we can not worry about discussing these until after Vancouver15:12
n0anosadly, new development is mostly on hiatus until then15:12
bauzasn0ano: just to be clear, Liberty should be open soon15:13
n0anobauzas, it'll be open but the reality is the cores will be too busy finalizing Kilo to review any Liberty patches until after Vancouver15:13
edleafebauzas: as soon as they cut RC1?15:13
bauzasn0ano: once setup.cfg bumps its version, it means it's Liberty time15:14
bauzasedleafe: not exactly15:14
bauzasedleafe: that's mikal's duty to provide a patch for updating setup.Cfg15:14
edleafeI saw ttx post a patch for that today15:14
bauzasedleafe: I don't exactly know where but somewhere between RC1 and Vancouver15:14
edleafeand promptly got -2'ed15:15
bauzasedleafe: then once it's merged, we will be in L15:15
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ttxits a placeholder for ptl to approve rc115:15
bauzasedleafe: link (again) ?15:15
bauzasyeah, that's what I explained above $15:15
edleafesec - on a call15:15
ttxonce that merges, master is on liberty and unfrozen15:15
bauzasttx: I was saying it was expected somewhere between rc1 and may15:16
ttxand kilo release branch is cut from previous commit15:16
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bauzasttx: I was thinking the release candidates dance was done on a separate branch ?15:16
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bauzasttx: so that it was cut soon after RC1 landing15:16
edleafebauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171078/15:17
ttxyes done on proposed/kilo once rc1 is cut15:17
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bauzasttx: okay15:17
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bauzasedleafe: thanks15:18
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n0anottx, will there be an official announcement that Liberty is open or do we just monitor setup.cfg?15:18
bauzasttx: thanks for clarifying this15:18
bauzasn0ano: I would assume it would be mikal's duty again :)15:18
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n0anoI'll probably just wait for both :-)15:19
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ttxn0ano: there will be a post15:19
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ttxn0ano: just like the recent heat rc1 one15:19
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n0anottx, makes sense, tnx15:19
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n0anomoving on...15:19
n0ano#topic Vancouver sessions15:20
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n0anoI note there's an etherpad up and we have a entry for the scheduler but no meat behind it yet15:20
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bauzasn0ano: yup15:21
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n0anowe should update the etherpad with ideas (migration strategy, cleanup issues, split process,...) whatever we can think of15:23
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n0ano#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas15:25
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n0anohearing silence on this...15:26
n0ano#topic opens15:26
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n0anoanything new for today?15:26
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bauzasn0ano: honestly, nothing atm15:27
bauzasn0ano: we're these days on bugfixing for RC115:27
n0anobauzas, +115:27
bauzasso that's pretty silent15:27
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n0anoin that case, tnx everyone, we'll talk next week (and before)15:28
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boris-42#startmeeting rally17:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  7 17:01:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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boris-42oanufriev: msdubov meteorfox ping17:01
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boris-42meteorfox: hi htere17:02
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boris-42amaretskiy: ping17:05
msdubovboris-42 hi!17:05
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rookboris-42: Here :D17:06
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boris-42rook: nice)17:07
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boris-42e0ne: around?17:07
e0neboris-42: yep17:07
boris-42okay I believe we can start?)17:07
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e0nerally meeting?17:07
boris-42e0ne: yep17:07
boris-42#topic Rally stackforge->openstack17:08
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boris-42okay seems like most of TC are already ready to add Rally to OpenStack17:08
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boris-42^ I had to rebase and rephrase it a bit but in history most of TC are ok17:08
e0neawesome! congrats17:08
boris-42so that's actually very nice news=)17:09
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boris-42msdubov: rook meteorfox e0ne so today in 3 hours they will make final decision17:10
boris-42there will be TC meeting in this chat17:11
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meteorfoxcool, I'll be around. I hope it gets in17:11
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boris-42#topic Online Bash competition & making Rally start fast17:13
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boris-42So we have deep issues with Rally17:13
boris-42it takes about 600-700ms to start rally17:13
meteorfoxboris-42: do you meant completion?17:13
boris-42rally ta<tab>17:13
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boris-42meteorfox: ^17:14
meteorfoxok, yeah. then 'completion' it is. I was confused, I thought there was some kind of contest or something17:14
boris-42meteorfox: yep=)17:14
boris-42so we can't make it online*17:15
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boris-42it has to be hardcoded and not generate online17:15
boris-42to fix this I created tool17:15
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boris-42^ so we can analyze what is imported so long and optimize rally imports17:15
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boris-42meteorfox: so it allows to trace imports and some of libs already used it17:17
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boris-42meteorfox: rootwrap and keystone to make their imports faster17:17
meteorfoxboris-42: this will be useful for other projects, I wasn't aware this existed. thanks man!17:17
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boris-42meteorfox: hehe=)17:18
boris-42meteorfox: star it=)17:18
meteorfoxjust did17:18
boris-42okay so we are going to imporve rally17:18
boris-42make it start fast17:19
boris-42and implement online bash completition17:19
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meteorfoxis there an example of how to use it?17:19
boris-42meteorfox: readme17:19
rookthought I saw a example on the main page?17:19
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boris-42meteorfox: yep just scroll page17:20
meteorfoxright, I meant more as a library17:20
boris-42meteorfox: ?)17:20
meteorfoxboris-42: nevermind, I can figure out17:20
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boris-42meteorfox: you mean use profimp as a lib?17:21
boris-42meteorfox: from profimp import main17:21
meteorfoxboris-42: yeah, I saw I can use trace_module()17:21
boris-42thta's all that you need to know=)17:22
meteorfoxyep yep17:22
boris-42it will return json17:22
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boris-42actually no it will return root instance of TracePoint17:22
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boris-42it has to_dict() method17:22
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boris-42let's move to next topic17:23
boris-42#topic Important changes17:23
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boris-42we restore abbility to use boot_runcommand_delete with fixed ip17:24
boris-42amaretskiy: thanks ^17:24
boris-42Add new tutorial17:24
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boris-42Now SSL configuration is per deployment not per rally.conf17:25
boris-42and rally.conf one is deprecated17:25
boris-42As well OS_ENDPOINT is recognized in rally deployment --fromenv17:25
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boris-42As well we merged bunch of new benchmarks17:26
boris-42So that is all for this week17:26
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boris-42Next topic?)17:27
boris-42any questions?17:27
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boris-42meteorfox: rook &17:28
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rookhas anyone played much with rps?17:28
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boris-42rook: so I played a bit17:29
boris-42rook: but seems like we have some issues with it17:29
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rookI personally havent, but members who I work with have seen some problems... where Rally doesn't catch a guest went into ERROR state (vmtask specifically).17:29
rookboris-42: ah ok.17:29
rookboris-42: I was going to have him open a BZ17:29
boris-42rook: oh nope17:30
boris-42rook: I was talking about issues related with proper load generation17:30
boris-42rook: not such17:30
rook ITER: 0 END: Error TimeoutException: Rally tired waiting for unicode u'':<no id> to become <function _ping_ip_address at 0x2d3d6e0> current status NONE17:30
rook^ example boris-4217:30
boris-42rook: so this is ok17:30
rookGuest was in ERROR state, but Running17:30
boris-42rook: it can't ping VM it is not related to runner17:30
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boris-42rook: what do you mean by Running?)17:31
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rookboris-42: Status was ERROR, Power State was Running17:31
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rook| c31dff3b-a03b-41e2-9799-cb9cc35a79ea | sriov     | ACTIVE | -          | Running     | net=  |17:32
rook^ Example where things are "good"17:32
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boris-42rook:   ITER: 0 END: Error TimeoutException: Rally tired waiting for unicode u'':<no id> to become <function _ping_ip_address at 0x2d3d6e0> current status NONE17:32
boris-42^ This means that Rally tired wating to ping VM17:32
rookRight, but that guest was in ERROR state...17:32
rookI personally haven't investigated this much17:33
rooki was curious if others have seen where rps causes failures.17:33
boris-42rook: it can't be related to rps17:33
boris-42rook: the bug may be in vm task boot and run command17:33
boris-42rook: scenario17:33
rookpossibly... I need to play with it some17:33
boris-42rook: ok17:34
boris-42let's move to next topic17:34
boris-42#topic Release 0.0.3 is coming17:34
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boris-42I am going to cut on this week new release17:34
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boris-42I will try to finish support of existing users before cut of new releae17:35
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boris-42rook: oanufriev amaretskiy msdubov ^17:35
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boris-42meteorfox: ^17:35
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meteorfoxnope, the comments I had regarding the 'sigma test' for the outliers, I left them in the patch itself. I think it should be discussed there17:36
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boris-42msdubov: did you see those comments?17:37
boris-42meteorfox: ^17:37
msdubovboris-42 What else should be completed before 0.0.3?17:37
boris-42msdubov: I believe only existing users17:37
boris-42but they can be even done after17:37
boris-42as well this patch is interesting17:37
pradeepany link we have for 0.0.3 items?17:38
msdubovboris-42:Yes, I saw it. Maybe also "task abort" in 0.0.3?17:38
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boris-42pradeep: not yet but let we discuss this in next topic17:39
boris-42msdubov: heh not sure if we finish it before existing users and get merged17:39
boris-42okay let's move to next topic17:39
boris-42#topic How to make simple to understand what is important for next release17:39
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e0neboris-42: may be we'll complete 2 more scenarios for cinder this week17:39
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boris-42e0ne: ok17:40
e0neone is ready for review17:40
boris-42So I have idea17:40
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boris-42it was actually redixin17:40
boris-42To make one blueprint17:40
boris-42in launchpad17:40
boris-42"important-for-next-release" and add it to commit messages17:40
boris-42so we will have page with all patches that are important-for-next-release17:41
boris-42msdubov: e0ne meteorfox rook pradeep ^17:41
boris-42e0ne: regarding to cinder benchmarks17:41
boris-42e0ne: okay we will take a look17:41
boris-42#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/important-for-next-release17:41
e0neboris-42: thanks!17:41
boris-42^ So actually I created such BP already17:42
boris-42but we are not using it17:42
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msdubovboris-42: I like this idea, redixin thanks for this17:42
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pradeepboris-42:  its nice17:43
boris-42okay then after cutting next release we will start adding this bp to all important patches17:43
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boris-42any other comments?17:46
* rook needs to catch up! ;)17:47
msdubovboris-42: Will we use only one bluepirnt?17:47
boris-42msdubov: yep17:47
msdubovboris-42:Maybe better one BP for each release?17:47
boris-42msdubov: nope17:47
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boris-42msdubov: because if decided to not merge important for release 0.0.x in 0.0.x17:47
boris-42we will need to update commit message17:47
msdubovboris-42: I see17:48
boris-42msdubov: as well I am not sure that it will be easy to predict version of rally always17:48
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boris-42okay let's move17:51
boris-42#topic open dicussion17:51
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boris-42amaretskiy: msdubov meteorfox rook pradeep anything to discuss?)17:51
rookSince I am behind on things, is there any work on creating a Rally API ?17:52
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boris-42rook: so yep17:53
boris-42rook: here is rally api (as a lib) https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/api.py17:53
boris-42rook: and we are going to add more methods like list and show to it17:53
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boris-42rook: and remove rally.objects usages from rally.cli17:54
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* rook will check it out.17:54
rookthanks boris-4217:54
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boris-42rook: so basically on top of rally.api we will create a tinny translator HTTP-2-API17:54
boris-42rook: so we will have as well rally as a service17:55
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boris-42rook: okay17:58
boris-42so let's finish meeting17:58
boris-42see you17:58
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ayoungHi De Ho!  Keystone Away!18:00
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morganfainbergWill be starting in 2mins or so.18:00
rodrigodsmorganfainberg, coffee shop line?18:01
gyeemeanwhile, listen to music while you wait18:01
samueldmqhi keystoners :)18:01
morganfainbergdolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, fmarco76, davechen, dim18:01
lbragstaddolphm: o/18:01
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stevemardance time: \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/18:02
gyeeayoung ftw!18:02
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morganfainbergAnd yeah. At the coffee shop getting caffeine ;)18:02
stevemarugh fire alarm... i might have to go18:03
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topolstevemar, in your condo???18:03
bknudsondon't try to be a hero stevemar.18:03
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topolgrab the laptop. grab the laptop!18:03
henrynashstevemar: door…run…18:03
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lbragstadtopol: but it's too heavy!!!18:04
gyeehis laptop started the fire18:04
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amakarovlbragstad, mainframe? 0_o18:04
morganfainberg#startmeeting keystone18:04
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lbragstadgyee: ++ fact18:04
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morganfainbergHi everyone!18:05
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morganfainberg#topic house keeping18:05
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henrynash(thinks….who’s handle is everyone….)18:05
morganfainbergFew quick items.18:05
morganfainberglhcheng: you here?18:05
lhchengmorganfainberg: yes!18:06
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morganfainbergSo, based on great reviews and feedback, I want to introduce lhcheng as the newest member of the core reviewer team.18:07
lbragstadlhcheng: congrats!18:07
ayoungRock on!18:07
stevemaroh snap! ++18:07
rodrigods++ lhcheng nice!18:07
lhchengmorganfainberg: thank you! will do my best to help the team!18:07
topolCONGRATULATIONS lhcheng! Very well deserved!18:07
jamielennoxcongrats lhcheng18:07
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samueldmqlhcheng, congrats :)18:08
lhchengthanks everyone!18:08
morganfainbergIll be granting him the +2 powers post meeting.18:08
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morganfainbergWe will be looking to continue to grow the core team (if I'm still ptl) next cycle. This is to ensure we have bandwidth to both write code and review.18:08
morganfainbergWhich is the next house keeping topic.18:09
morganfainbergIf you want to be PTL, please don't hesitate to run. Send the candidacy email while the window is open.18:09
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morganfainbergOk lots to cover today so...18:09
* stevemar thinks morganfainberg should apply for a 4 year term18:10
morganfainberg#topic Bandit Progress18:10
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morganfainbergbknudson: o/18:10
bknudsonthe infra change merged so you can do check experimental18:10
bknudsonto get a bandit run (along with other junk)18:10
bknudsonso there's example results:18:10
ayoungmorganfainberg, the problem is, you are running,  and no one wants the job.  If you want to encourage lots of people to run for PTL, you need to convince me to run.  Then everyone else will run just to say "There but for the grace of ..."18:10
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bknudsonhttp://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html -- passes18:10
bknudsonoops, that one is a failure18:11
bknudsonhttp://logs.openstack.org/30/157930/6/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/3674425/console.html -- is an example of a passing bandit run18:11
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bknudsonso, wanted to find out if anybody has anything else they want to see experimented with.18:11
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bknudsonand if not, we can continue on and have bandit run in the check non-voting.18:12
lbragstadbknudson: do we have any lp bugs open for bandit inconsistencies?18:12
bknudsonlbragstad: what do you mean? keystone passes all bandit checks now.18:12
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tmcpeak#link https://launchpad.net/bandit18:12
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dolphmlbragstad: you mean against bandit or keystone?18:12
tmcpeakthat's our Bandit launchpad, there aren't any major bugs currently open18:12
lbragstadbknudson: I meant against Keystone, but you answered my question18:12
david8hulhcheng: congrats!18:13
bknudsonthe reason it fails in http://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html  is because I add code that I knew wouldn't pass.18:13
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stevemarbknudson, do the docs have examples that would cause it to fail?18:15
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bknudsonstevemar: good question... I haven't looked at the docs... maybe tmcpeak can answer?18:15
tmcpeakstevemar: you're asking if the Bandit docs have examples of code that would be caught?18:16
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stevemartmcpeak, yeah18:16
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stevemartheres a bit here https://github.com/stackforge/bandit/tree/master/docs18:16
tmcpeakI don't believe so, the Bandit docs haven't seen much love lately..18:16
stevemari'm just thinking if there is a patch that is failing bandit, how do i figure out why it's failing18:17
stevemaraside from bugging you or bknudson18:17
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bknudsonThe example here shows what bandit prints out: http://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html#_2015-04-03_16_10_23_05618:17
tmcpeakthe results are pretty self explanatory and show the exact code that triggers the issue18:17
bknudsone.g.,  subprocess call with shell=True identified, security issue.18:17
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bknudsonwhich isn't the most descriptive...18:17
stevemarshowing the code definitely helps18:18
bknudsonthere was a sprint at the ossg meetup to get some docs together.18:18
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tmcpeakwe have it in our backlog to build better docs and explanations18:18
stevemarbut i guess we can improve that as we go along18:18
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tmcpeakeventually we will integrate with these: https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance18:18
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bknudsonso https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance/blob/master/shell_injection.md#subprocess-shell-injection18:19
bknudsonis what that subprocess error should point to.18:19
stevemarlooks like it checks for quite a few things: https://github.com/stackforge/bandit/tree/master/bandit/plugins18:19
tmcpeakstevemar: some of the tests are very noisy and have been disabled for the Keystone profile18:19
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tmcpeakthe idea here is to not generate false positives18:20
tmcpeakso that people don't learn to ignore the gate18:20
stevemarokay, i'm all out of questions!18:20
bknudsonI was thinking it's non-voting for now...18:20
bknudsonnot sure what it's going to take to make it voting.18:20
tmcpeakbknudson: +118:20
bknudsonprobably should at least see a few releases to make sure it's not breaking us.18:20
tmcpeakin the mean time, maybe before you guys give the final +2, you can make sure Bandit test passes?18:21
morganfainberglets see the results from non-voting18:21
morganfainbergand we can make adjustments before we make it voting18:21
stevemara few releases?! that seems overly cautious18:21
morganfainbergplease keep eyes on bandit18:21
bknudsonI'm hoping that people will consider a failing bandit a reason to think twice, for my sake.18:21
morganfainbergwe can evaluate it during Liberty18:21
morganfainbergat each milestone18:21
* bknudson is tired of security vulnerabilities.18:21
morganfainbergif we are happy we can make it vote18:21
morganfainbergif we aren't we defer18:22
bknudsonI meant a few releases of bandit.18:22
stevemarbknudson, ah okay18:22
tmcpeakmorganfainberg: +118:22
stevemarmorganfainberg, next?18:22
morganfainberg#topic RC1 [Kilo Edition]18:23
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tmcpeakthanks all18:23
morganfainbergRC1 patch is gating https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171260/18:23
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morganfainbergonce that lands, liberty is open for development18:23
bknudsonyou going to go through and remove -2s?18:23
morganfainbergthis means we have 3 major focuses (in order of priority)18:23
morganfainbergonce that lands18:23
morganfainbergbknudson, yes i will18:23
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morganfainberg1: RC bugs. Triage bugs. every day.18:24
morganfainbergif you see a bug that could be a showstopper tag it rc potential18:24
morganfainbergbring it to my attention18:24
morganfainberglets hope we don't have any of those this time (wishful thinking I'm sure)18:24
morganfainberg2: Middleware and KSC bugs/fixes18:25
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morganfainbergwe will do a ksc/middleware cut soon™ that will coincide with the named release18:25
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morganfainbergthis will be used as the basis for gating for stable/kilo afaik18:25
morganfainbergand 3: Liberty specs18:25
morganfainbergget them posted and reviewed.18:25
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morganfainbergi would like to have what we do at the midcycle mostly happen at the summit18:25
morganfainbergso we have more time to work on getting everything into keystone for Liberty18:26
morganfainbergwhich... is a slightly shorter cycle than kilo has been afaik18:26
morganfainbergany questions? thoughts? concerns?18:26
henrynashmorganfainberg: I think you missed the item on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142472/12 (I put it at h18:26
bknudsonhow do you get a fix into rc?18:26
ayoungneed to push for a DOA release, too18:26
henrynashoops sorry18:26
ayoungwe don't get webSSO without it18:26
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bknudsonis there a stable/ branch?18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, we flag a bug, bring it up to TTX and we merge to master then backport to the RC branch18:27
rodrigodsthe next topic (assignment inheritance) should be a rc-potential IMO18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, same as last cycle18:27
stevemari think enough things got bumped from kilo that liberty should be pretty full now18:27
bknudsonwe going to add a bunch of migrations?18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, yep18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, we will add backport placeholders18:28
bknudsonthat happens at the beginning, I think.18:28
morganfainbergbknudson, that happens in liberty not in kilo rc though18:28
bknudsoncould update man pages... forgot to do that.18:28
morganfainbergbknudson, i expect an RC218:28
morganfainbergwe need a sample config update anyway18:28
morganfainbergso, lets plan that for RC218:28
lhchengayoung: we should be able to release DOA shortly after Horizon completes RC118:28
ayounglhcheng, ++18:29
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topollhcheng awesome18:29
morganfainberghenrynash, i was going to defer that to it's own topic btw18:29
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morganfainberghenrynash, not just lumped into RC meeting topic18:29
henrynashmorganfainberg: np18:29
ayoungWhich leads me to a happy announcement.  I have a second Federated/WebSSO mechanism deployed without any code changes.18:30
dolphmmorganfainberg: how out of date is the current sample config?18:30
morganfainbergdolphm, a couple weeks at most18:30
rodrigodsayoung, ++18:30
ayoungSo..good work you guys on making that spec flexible18:30
morganfainbergdolphm, and possibly not at all18:30
morganfainbergdolphm, but we have man page update to do. so we'll make sure sample for RC is up-to-date for an RC218:30
bknudsonthe keystone-manage man page is missing all the fernet stuff18:31
stevemarayoung, yay!18:31
stevemartopol, ^18:31
dolphmbknudson: file a bug!18:31
lbragstadbknudson: I can make a point to update that18:31
stevemarmorganfainberg, the sample config shouldn't need change ... i think...18:31
morganfainbergin short everyone did an awesome job in kilo18:31
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morganfainbergthanks for all your hard work18:31
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morganfainberglets make liberty even better :)18:32
bknudsonlbragstad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1441300 <-- dolphm18:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1441300 in Keystone "keystone-manage man page updates" [Undecided,New]18:32
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morganfainbergbknudson, tag to kilo please specifically18:32
morganfainbergor i can18:32
morganfainberg#topic Adding inherited column to PK patch18:33
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morganfainberghenrynash, samueldmq, ayoung, o/18:33
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morganfainbergso this potentially can be added to RC218:33
henrynashok, let me just set the scene18:33
morganfainbergas an FYI18:33
morganfainbergit wont be in RC118:33
ayoungyeah, lets not do that.  The field is...18:33
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ayoung inherited | tinyint(1)18:33
henrynashthis is a bug to make teh code do what the original design/spec intended18:33
topolAyoung, good job on the SSO18:33
morganfainberganyway i'll let henrynash and the like discuss the state and then determine if it goes into RC18:34
ayoungtopol, thanks18:34
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ayoungthis should be ported to an enum like the "type" field18:34
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henrynash#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142472/18:34
ayoungtype is a crappuy name, BTW....18:34
rodrigodsthis should really be in RC218:34
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samueldmqayoung, wait, people need context :) think henrynash is doing so18:34
henrynashwhen this was first proposed, we ahd a lot of discussion about whether assignments (taht are inherited)...18:35
dolphmmorganfainberg: why not RC1? (what's in RC1?)18:35
henrynash…should be on the domain, or just on the chikdren of the domain18:35
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henrynashand indeed whether you should be able to specify wehther you wanted both of these to happen when you made teh assignment18:35
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morganfainbergdolphm, the question is if this should land in kilo at all18:36
morganfainbergdolphm, so i didn't include this in RC18:36
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morganfainbergdolphm, if it *should* land in kilo, since we will likely have an rc2, we can include it18:36
bknudsonthis change would be difficult to backport due to a schema migration...18:36
henrynashthis was rejected during the design cycle for this (back in Grizzly?) and it was recommended that we keep them very separate…an assignment is either on an object, or it is on teh chikdern of the object18:36
morganfainbergbknudson, idempotent schema changes aren't that bad18:37
morganfainbergbknudson, it's why we add the buffer migrations.18:37
* morganfainberg has done it at least once18:37
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morganfainbergmy concern is what adam raised... how bad will this break clients having multiple assignments with the same name/etc/etc except "inherited" being flagged18:38
henrynashso that is teh current design (and is what is exposed via the API)…this patch is to fix a bug I created when I implemented this, in that, dur to the way I created the scehma, you can’t have an inherited and a non-inhertited assignment on teh sameobject18:38
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bknudsonthis is exposed in GET /v3/role_assignments or something?18:38
henrynashso I need to understand what that cocerns is18:39
ayounghenrynash, I'd need to see the origianl arguments, but as done right now, it won't work.  We break every API and UI that assumes a role is assigned once and only once18:39
henrynashi just don’t undestad that stattement18:39
ayounginstead, we need to quantify on the assignment the "inheritability " of it18:39
ayounghenrynash, we break horizon if there are multiple roles on the same project18:40
henrynashinherited roles are a bit like group roles….a user may end up with teh same “role” on the same object…..18:40
rodrigodsayoung, but the role is assigned once and only once18:40
ayoungmultiple gah18:40
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henrynashayoung: through what API would we break horizon?18:40
ayounganyway, make it an enumerated field and we manage to solve the whole problem18:40
bknudsonyou can get the effective role assignments... will that return both now?18:40
ayounginstead of a boolean, make it a 3 value18:40
henrynashayoung: wht do that?18:40
samueldmqwe don't break horizon, etc .. I think the concern is the UX18:41
rodrigodsbknudson, effective doesn't return for the target itself if the inherited flag is active18:41
bknudsonI'd think changing the bool to enum would be a bigger API break.18:41
henrynashayoung: there is no proposal to chaneg the API, so why do we need to store more than two values?18:41
ayoungeffective role assignments for an inherited assignment would not give the parent....18:41
ayoungyou know what, this is dumb18:41
samueldmqin general, it works as design, but the main concern is wheter to represent when a role asingment belongs to both parent + children in a single assingment18:41
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ayoungI don't like the "this role assignment is only for the children, not the node"18:41
ayoungwhat use case is that actually serving?18:42
samueldmqI think the naming 'inherited' may carry someone to think it's applied on both parent + childrne18:42
rodrigodsayoung, this makes sense for the domain use case18:42
morganfainbergayoung, that seems like the core part of the bad design.18:42
ayoungsamueldmq, and it should be implemented that way...why was it not?18:42
henrynashayoung: I understand that, but that is not up for debate in K, fixing the current implementation is18:42
samueldmqayoung, this was a design decision you took18:42
ayounghenrynash, of course it is up for debate.  I'd rather yank the whole feature than ship something broken18:42
henrynashayoung: it’s not broekn18:43
ayoungand...all I am asking is "why?"18:43
rodrigodsayoung, that breaks the API18:43
ayounghenrynash, convince me18:43
ayoungit sure sounds broken to me18:43
morganfainbergwe could move the needle either way: allow multiple assignments [one for <parent> and one that is <inherit>] - or we could allow inherit to apply to <local> as well18:43
morganfainbergi think *either* would be fine.18:43
rodrigodsthe second doesn't break the API?18:43
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ayoungyes it does18:43
morganfainbergboth break API18:44
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samueldmqthe first one no, I think18:44
morganfainbergit's a question which way do you break it18:44
ayoungwe have already confused the entire world multiple times with strange rules from Keystone.   Let us not do it again.18:44
henrynashplease explain how what we are proposing (In this patch) breaks anything!18:44
rodrigodswhy the first one breaks?18:44
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bknudsonI don't see what breaks.18:44
samueldmqhenrynash, ++18:44
samueldmqI think we have 2 things here18:44
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samueldmqi) fix the documented behavior18:44
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samueldmqii) design decision, what is better for UX18:45
morganfainbergthis also has been broken a loooooong time.18:45
morganfainbergor "wierd" at least18:45
rodrigodsits definitely weird18:45
samueldmqthe weird we fix on ii) ^18:45
bknudsonsomething that failed before can be changed to work -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines#Generally_Considered_OK18:45
samueldmqthe wrong we fix on i) ^18:45
samueldmqthe patch we have for it18:45
henrynashmorgainfainberg: it’s not come up really before because it does represnet what people want to do in the domain-project situaation18:45
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morganfainbergbknudson, which is why i think we break the API but no in an unacceptable way regardless of the way we go18:46
morganfainbergbknudson, making inherit apply to the local node is logical18:46
morganfainberg*or* we allow multiple assignments18:46
bknudsonto the domain?18:46
henrynashmorgainfainberg: i.e. teh roles you appl y to projects (i.e. children of teh daomin) are usually not the same as you want to have active on the domain itself18:46
morganfainbergeither side could be considered a bug18:46
morganfainbergbknudson, yeah18:46
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bknudsonwhat does allowing multiple assignments break?18:46
henrynashbknudson: ++18:46
rodrigodsbknudson, that's the question18:47
morganfainbergbknudson, potentially lots of clients assuming 1 and only 1 instance of the role18:47
morganfainbergin the assignment for things18:47
bknudsonwhere? what API?18:47
morganfainbergbknudson, again, it's implied contract.18:47
morganfainbergit's how it works18:47
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morganfainbergnot how it is documented to work18:47
samueldmqbknudson, it does not break anything, I think it's just the naming we have "inherited", which would cause one to think it's applied to both, when it's not18:47
henrynashmorgainfainberg: but that happens today with group roles and direct user roles.....18:47
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morganfainbergas long as we don't break people I'm fine.18:47
morganfainbergeither way18:47
rodrigodshenrynash, ++18:48
morganfainbergthough i think it's a silly silly thing to need to say "assign" no "also assign and inherit"18:48
morganfainberga very silly thing18:48
lhchengI don't see how it would break horizon, just probably a bad UX on the role assignment page.18:48
lhchengshould be fine18:48
ayoungthis is, I think, making a bizare API as a work around for the "admin is GOD" problem18:48
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ayounglhcheng, projects will show up that the user has no role on18:49
henrynashayoung: we aren’t changing the API18:49
henrynashayoung: huh?18:49
ayoungleave it as is, then, and let this shake out in Liberty\18:49
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samueldmqleaving as it is is bad for hierarchical projects18:49
henrynashayoung: you need to come up with a thing that will break, I ain’t herad nothin yet18:50
samueldmqfor domains that was ok, but for hmt it is just bad18:50
henrynash(cue that song)18:50
lhchengayoung: that part is all in Keystone, as long as the keystone policy allows it18:50
ayoungyeah...I guess list projects for users is what Horizon does, and the parent proejct won't show up18:51
morganfainbergi *really* *really* don't have a clue how the design to make inherit to not include the domain was made.18:51
lhchengayoung: when the user scopes to the sub-project, the inherited role should still be in the auth token18:51
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bknudsonthis doesn't have anything to do with hierarchical projects?18:51
ayoungits just if someone did list role assignements and tried to script it they would be getting false positives18:51
samueldmqayoung, no, not for inherited assignments, (and horizon does not assign inherited assignments yet)18:51
ayoungits still shortsighted18:51
bknudsonI thought it was just domains.18:52
morganfainbergbknudson, it does apply to HMT since inheritance works there as well [or will with reseller]18:52
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samueldmqbknudson, yes it does, having the same role on the parent + children makes sense (and didnt for domain + children)18:52
morganfainbergsamueldmq, i disagree with the assertion that domain + child project doesn't make sense.18:52
morganfainbergbut i guess i'm in the minority here.18:52
rodrigodsit will definitely won't when we have projects that are domains18:53
samueldmqmorganfainberg, well, I cant see a scenario it does ... I think we would have a role like 'project_admin' and then assign inheritance18:53
ayoungits cuz our role names are too broad18:53
samueldmqmorganfainberg, but someone who really uses it may come with the real usecase18:53
ayoung"admin is everything"18:53
morganfainbergayoung, i think this is something we need to address in liberty18:53
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ayoungsame sack of concrete18:54
ayoungmorganfainberg, +++++++18:54
morganfainbergnot in kilo18:54
rodrigodsmorganfainberg, , it must be addressed18:54
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samueldmqwe just want to fix the implementation18:54
rodrigodsthe single assignment type only works with separate admin roles18:54
samueldmqif we go for changing the design18:54
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morganfainbergi think the conversation becomes even muddier with domain as a project18:54
samueldmqthis should come after (in L)18:54
morganfainbergand we'll have the same issues/different bag18:54
lhchengayoung: The part that could break is probably when assigning the project roles to user/group, have to provide a way for user to set if it is inherited/or not.18:54
lhchengsamueldmq is right, it is not there yet.18:54
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morganfainbergis there a reason this *has* to be fixed *right now at the 11th hour before release*?18:55
samueldmqmorganfainberg, please lets fix the code against what is specified18:55
henrynashmorganainberg: I don’t see how fixing the implementation puts us in any worse situation for any deisgn re-work we may chose to do in Liberty18:55
samueldmqmorganfainberg, if we go for changign the api, we do that in L18:55
samueldmqhenrynash, ++18:55
morganfainberghenrynash, because we're springing behavioral changes on users at the last minute18:55
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samueldmqfixing the implementation does not mean we wont revisit this and possibly change the design18:56
henrynashmorganfainberg: I just don;t see that…this is MEANT to work, and it errors when you try to execute the published API in an odd way18:56
morganfainberghenrynash, and i don't mean deployers strictly i mean *all* users.18:56
henrynash(I mean it errors in an odd way)18:56
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morganfainberghenrynash, meant to work and changing how it works right before the release is a cause for my hair to turn grey ;)18:56
morganfainbergtwo different things18:56
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morganfainberghenrynash, my #1 concern in this case is changing a behavior last minute18:57
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morganfainbergand we all know how well we find out about bugs... 1yr down the line with angry users18:57
samueldmqhenrynash, this is even worst since we are silent for duplicated assignments18:57
samueldmq#link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L129-L13118:57
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bknudsonthat's bad.18:58
morganfainbergbknudson, well not really.18:58
samueldmqyeah we fail silently18:58
henrynashsamueldmq: oh I see, you call the API….it says OK, but it doesn’t apply the assignemnt you made!18:58
morganfainbergbknudson, it's perfectly fine to give a 201 [i assume thats what we get] if you already have the assignment18:58
samueldmqhenrynash, yeah18:58
morganfainberghenrynash, since the assignment already existed18:59
bknudsonbut you don't have the assignment... it's a different assignment.18:59
rodrigodsbknudson, ++18:59
ayoungyeah...this is messed up in a couple different ways18:59
morganfainbergok so the migration is *not* strictly the fix18:59
morganfainbergcan we step back18:59
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morganfainbergpropose the fix in a backportable way to RC218:59
morganfainbergnot jkust the migratin19:00
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morganfainberglook at the other associated issues19:00
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ayoungFor list_grant_role_id  we would need to do a hierarchical query19:00
morganfainbergso, we have a lot of issues19:00
ayoungwe have a lot of stuff that, maybe it works, but doesn't look like it in first glance19:00
morganfainbergwe're out of time19:00
morganfainbergoff to -keystone19:00
henrynashmorganfainberg: not sure I understand the distinction of migration vs fix?19:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:03
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fungi#topic Announcements19:03
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fungium, we should probably start thinking about summit sessions. that's the only psa i'm aware of for now19:04
mordredDuke won the NCAA Basketball Tournament last night19:04
fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:04
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pleia2did the ask.o.o migration happen yesterday? (I saw meeting logs, didn't read backscroll)19:04
pleia2cool :)19:04
mrmartinpleia2: yep19:04
pleia2congrats to all19:04
fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-03-31-19.00.html19:04
pleia2mrmartin: nice work!19:04
fungijeblair document openstack id deployment mechanism in http://ci.openstack.org/openstackid.html19:05
fungilooks like he did that19:05
fungianybody have the url handy?19:05
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/17097419:06
fungithanks pleia219:06
fungizaro to continue utf8 testing19:06
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fungii believe there's a script you hacked together19:06
fungi#link https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration19:07
fungifeedback on that would be useful19:07
fungizaro test gerrit 2.1019:07
zaroi believe i am done with db migration testing.19:07
zaro#link https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration19:08
fungiokay, so 2.10 looks like it probably works?19:08
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zarono i haven't tested 2.1019:08
zaroi have only tested that utf819:08
fungioh, you're still talking about the first item19:08
zarothat script is for utf8 migration19:08
zarodb only19:08
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fungiright, i had moved on to the next action item19:09
fungiokay, so the end result of that script was that utf8 was working under gerrit 2.8 after it ran?19:09
zaronot exactly.19:09
zaroI didn't check that gerrit works with the data after migrating it.  i only check that the data looked good using db queries19:10
zaroto validate that gerrit will also require the git data.19:10
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zarothat gerrit/that gerrit will start and run19:11
clarkbwhich we have right?19:11
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fungiright, got it. so you were mainly just testing that the utf8 transformation won't likely be a problem with our production data. did you similarly test that it did the right thing to a gerrit 2.8 (for example review-dev prior to upgrade)?19:11
zaroi would need the prod site info19:11
zaroyes, i tested that scenario on review-dev end to end and it does seem to work.19:12
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fungiokay, great! so we should try it again production the next time we schedule an outage window to do other things19:12
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fungi#action zaro test gerrit 2.1019:13
zaroyep. i pretty confident that it should work.19:13
fungii guess that's still pending19:13
zaroyes, still 2.10 testing is still pending19:13
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zarowondering if i should push that script to review.o.o instead of on github?19:14
fungiprobably not unless we think it's something we're going to run more than once in the future19:14
fungianteaya cause a problem statement and requirements regarding election tooling to be sent to the infra list so various solutions can be discussed19:14
zarojust for review, then abandone afterwards19:14
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fungii guess this was lingering from a previous meeting agenda19:14
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-April/002622.html19:14
fungiseems to have happened19:15
clarkbthat was sent19:15
fungizaro: yeah, if you want, should be fine19:15
clarkbmtreinish responded with some feedback19:15
mtreinishclarkb: I did?19:15
fungicontinued discussion can happen on the ml in that case19:15
mtreinishoh the election stuff thread19:15
pleia2yeah, would be good to respond to that with rationale as to why ML is not sufficient19:15
tchaypoSome discussion also happened on the ether pad19:15
pleia2(or maybe it is!)19:15
clarkbyup I think we can push it to the ml, curious to see what the election officials have to say about ml19:16
fungi#topic Priority Specs19:16
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fungithis topic is conspicuously blank in the meeting agenda19:16
fungilooks like we skipped it last week too19:17
mordredfungi: maybe we're done wtih all of them19:17
clarkbwe have nodepool-dib, swift logs, zanata, and ask migration andprobably some others I forget19:17
fungiright, but those are in the next topic19:17
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mrmartinfungi: we have the backup left only for askbot19:17
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fungiso moving on19:17
fungi#topic Priority Efforts19:17
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fungilet's see if we can get through these quickly19:18
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs)19:18
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clarkboh specs vs efforts, my reading comprehension is poor19:18
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mordredclarkb: me too19:18
mordredclarkb: I had the exact same thought19:18
fungiany updates for swift logs?19:18
* mordred dances?19:18
clarkbthe devstack help footers are now uploaded to swift and rendered nicely19:18
clarkbyou can see the devstack-gate specific dg tempest jobs for examples19:19
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clarkbbut we have a bug in hosting non log file data via swift19:19
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clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107267/19:19
clarkbthat is the change that will begin to fix this issue, once we have that I think we are ready to move everything to swift19:19
fungiahh, yep, saw that change proposed19:20
clarkbthough we can move jobs to swift now that don't have non log data (PNGs, javascript, etc)19:20
clarkbI can propose some more changes to migrate jobs for which it should be safe19:20
fungiis that a firm action item, or just a conjecture?19:20
clarkbmight as well make it an action item19:21
clarkb#action clarkb migrate more jobs to swift log hosting19:21
fungi#action clarkb propose some more changes to migrate jobs for which it should be safe19:21
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clarkbdouble tap19:21
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fungithat it for swift logs since last week?19:21
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clarkbI think so19:21
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB)19:22
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fungii saw there was some good discussion in mordred's planning etherpad for the shade stuff19:22
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greghaynesSo good news is we have an ubuntu image that works in both hp and rax now119:22
mordredwe also landed most of the shade things19:22
mordredand greghaynes did that19:22
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib-nodepool-merges19:22
greghaynesbad news is my wifi is horrible19:23
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mordredit's getting close to time to start landing "scary" nodepool changes, such as the ones that actually start consuming shade - I've been holding off because I'd like to be around to watch in case something goes south19:23
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mordredthis week will likely be bad for that because pycon - although, maybe it'll be good because jeblair and I will be in the same place at pycon19:24
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mordredso maybe we can find a bar and land something scary19:24
fungii'm finally getting some review movement on the bindep changes (thanks everyone!) and have a nodepool config change up to add "centos-6" nodes. the open dib-nodepool topic changes are getting longer than one page in gerrit now19:24
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mordredgreghaynes: have you tested it with centos or fedora yet?19:25
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:dib-nodepool,n,z19:25
greghaynesmordred: there are some bugs with dub relating to that ATM, im currently working through them19:25
clarkbyes, I have recently been spending a good chunk of my time only reviewing priority effort related changes19:25
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clarkbso make sure your changes have the topic set and I am more than likely to review them eventually19:25
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* mordred needs to go review clarkb's changes19:25
clarkb(re getting review traction)19:25
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fungianything else urgent on nodepool dib?19:26
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fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Migration to Zanata)19:26
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cineramahi there19:27
fungitake it away pleia2 and cinerama19:27
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pleia2I've been making my way through cinerama's patches this morning, merged a few19:27
cineramaso i made some good progress last week on the various patches in flight19:27
cineramawe have a couple of things we ought to address with the zanata devs19:27
cineramanext steps will be to get a server up and running and start testing stuff19:28
cineramai think that's it from me19:28
pleia2see from line 125 in the etherpad for some plans: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-install19:28
clarkbI am more than happy to help with the jenkins job script stuff when you are ready for that19:28
pleia2I think we're on track to get the dev server up and running19:28
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-install19:28
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:zanata,n,z19:28
clarkbbut the puppet module is coming together nicely big +2 to spinning up a server19:28
pleia2I do need translate-dev.o.o removed from DNS when someone has a chance so I can create the new record when I bring up the new server19:28
fungii can do that right after the meeting19:29
pleia2thanks fungi19:29
fungior maybe during if chairing gets slow19:29
fungi(talk more, people!)19:29
pleia2that's it from me, we're doing well :)19:29
mordredDuke won the NCAA Basketball Tournament last night19:29
mordredfungi: (that's all I've got, really)19:29
fungihuh. who knew people in north carolina played basketball?19:30
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet)19:30
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yolandaso i have several patches that landed, some others awaiting reviews19:30
fungiany important news here?19:30
yolandaall are under the downstream-puppet topic19:30
yolandai created one to use puppet-puppet to setup puppet19:31
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clarkbI have been trying to review those today. The one for cgit apache fork configs I need to test then approve if testing is happy19:31
yolandaguess who can say more puppet on a sentence :)19:31
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:downstream-puppet,n,z19:31
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asselin_common log server ones have been through a few reviews. should be stable now & ready to go19:32
yolandaif changes for puppet-pip could land as well, will be helpful for us downstream19:32
fungigreat, thanks for working on that!19:32
fungianything else there?19:32
yolandanot from my side19:32
nibalizernot for me19:32
mordred19:31:03        yolanda | i created one to use puppet-puppet to setup puppet19:32
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Askbot migration)19:32
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mordredbest sentence ever19:33
mrmartinok, so we are waiting for the backup patches to land19:33
mrmartinand have a minor issue with smartcn jar, that's all19:33
funginext meeting in here is the tc meeting19:33
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16811719:33
mrmartinyeah, I expect some decision, so we can move forward and finish the backup19:33
fungithat should likely land during19:33
fungias soon as it does, we can approve19:34
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16763119:34
mrmartinok, so we had a good progress19:34
clarkbfungi: mrmartin I feel like I am missing a bunch of context here19:34
mrmartinand I not received with any feedbacks affecting the ask.o.o site19:34
fungiand yeah, we're running in production on an infra-managed server for ask.openstack.org now19:34
clarkbthe backup stuff I am familiar with19:34
mrmartinclarkb: what you missing?19:34
clarkbwhat does the tc meeting have to do with ask.o.o and what is the smartcn jar problem?19:35
fungii'll go ahead and raise the ttls for it back up to an hour shortly when i take out the other record pleia2 was asking about earlier19:35
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fungiclarkb: tc meeting is when the governance change to add that backup puppet module repo gets approved19:35
mrmartinclarkb: we need to get an approval for pgsql_backup puppet repo from tc19:35
clarkboh I see19:35
fungiclarkb: at which point we can approve the project-config change to add it19:35
mrmartinbecause it is running on pgsql, not mysql19:35
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clarkbmaybe we should just stackforge our puppet modules19:36
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mrmartina smartcn issue a small bug in the puppet that affects a restarted instance I guess, I'm working on that but it is not an upfront bug19:36
mordredor maybe we should fix the tc process for this some how19:36
clarkbmrmartin: thanks19:36
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mordredbut that's out of scope for this meeting19:36
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mrmartinwe expect some upgrades in the near future for askbot, so puppetizing of the ask-staging.o.o will be the next task19:37
fungibut anyway, i think that's it. we're basically wrapped up. eventually i'll go ahead and delete the old server once we're sure it's got nothing on it we still need19:37
mrmartinand some discussion happens about release process of theme and askbot.19:37
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clarkbawesome, nice work everyone19:37
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Upgrading Gerrit)19:38
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fungi#note Gerrit 2.9 upgrade Saturday May 9, 201519:38
fungigood reminder19:38
fungiprobably nothing new to discuss for this other than what we covered in the action items?19:38
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zarotesting possibility to go directly to 2.10 underway19:39
clarkbmaybe note that we might upgrade to 2.1019:39
fungiahh, yep19:39
fungi#note might be an upgrade to 2.10 depending on the results of testing between now and then19:39
fungi#topic Priority Efforts (Docs publishing)19:39
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fungistill in a holding pattern while the logs on swift comes to full production i expect?19:40
clarkbI think so, particularly that bug with non log data19:40
clarkbbut once that is sorted we should be ready to start work on this19:40
fungi#topic Puppet Testing19:41
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fungisomething about rspec and...19:41
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16490819:41
funginibalizer: jesusaurus: looks like you reviewed that19:41
clarkbI think we covered this pretty well last meeting19:41
fungiokay, so stale topic. i'll clear it off the agenda after the meeting19:41
clarkband asselin_ has made some initial progress on the outcome of that discussion. Basically do functional testing per module19:41
asselin_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169117/19:42
fungi#topic Zuul layout split (tristanc)19:43
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/15229019:43
fungi#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/zuul_split.html19:43
fungilooks like we discussed this last meeting too. any updates or should i clear it from the agenda?19:44
fungiseems to need reviews at the moment19:44
clarkbI think jhesketh recently pushed an set of updates to the connections changes that jeblair wants to get in first19:44
clarkbso probably just need to review those and get them in so this effort can proceed19:44
fungiokay, good to know. have a link to those?19:44
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/zuul+branch:master+topic:connections,n,z19:45
fungi#topic Upcoming Project Renames19:45
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fungilooks like we have a handful requested19:45
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fungimurano projects are wanting to move into the openstack namespace since we had to skip them last maintenance19:46
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16793419:46
clarkbdid they correct the confusion we ran into?19:46
fungiyeah, the change has been updated, but needs more eyeballs19:46
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fungicongress projects similarly, since they got approved in last week's tc meeting19:47
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16953019:47
fungialso stackforge/tuskar-ui-extras wants to be retired to stackforge-attic19:47
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/16971519:47
fungido we want to pick a date/time to do these and also try the utf-8 conversion for review.openstack.org again?19:48
fungiprobably not this weekend what with so many at pycon all week19:48
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fungii'm tempted to defer it a week and revisit in next week's meeting, but input from the group would be useful there19:49
mordredyeah - let's defer19:49
mordredalso - since this is being slightly more frequent what with big tent ...19:49
mordredwhat do people think about making an ansible playbook we can reuse with a list of from-to names?19:50
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mordredthat does all the things in order19:50
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mordredas in - if I write one, would people be opposed to it?19:50
clarkbmordred: it should work for everything but github19:50
fungisounds awesome. i have a script i use right now to generate all the sql queries and filesystem changes19:50
mordredclarkb: no reason it wouldnt' work for github too ...19:50
tchaypothat sounds like it would make the task really boring19:50
tchaypoI’m in favor of tasks that are really boring19:51
clarkbmordred: yes big reason, githubs api is terrible and never works right19:51
mordredtchaypo: ++19:51
mordredclarkb: fair19:51
fungitchaypo: trust me, it's already crazy boring19:51
clarkbmordred: it breaks at a really high rate19:51
tchaypoboring+automated then19:51
* mordred wants more boring things19:51
fungimore lazy is more win19:51
tchaypoboring tasks where I can sip coffee and watch a progress bar instead of trying to stay awake long enough to type out the whole command19:51
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fungiokay, so motion carries. we'll revisit next tuesday19:52
clarkbmordred: as long as we can do it safely with github its fine, like maybe we do github move first and only move the rest of github succeeds or something19:52
zarodo we want to schedule gerrit db migration with this?19:52
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fungizaro: preferably do them in the same outage, yes19:52
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mordredclarkb: I'll see what I can come up with19:52
zarook. might want to expand the outage window then.19:52
fungiand perhaps also enact jeblair's change to log ssh usernames in the task list19:53
clarkbalso we could possibly reduce the need for renames19:53
fungiyeah, we'd do a longer window if so19:53
clarkbbecause in many cases renames are completely preventable19:53
clarkbs/preventable/avoidable/ ?19:54
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fungiclarkb: as in projects created in the wrong namespace to start with or all these silly -attic moves?19:54
clarkbfungi: both and trademark issues19:54
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fungiif we could start over, i'd do it with no git namespaces19:55
fungibut getting there now would be painful19:55
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fungianyway, we have a few minutes for open discussion, which this is sort of turning into anyway, so...19:55
fungi#topic Open discussion19:55
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clarkbjenkins ssh-slaves plugin is broken19:56
fungiwe don't use that do we?19:56
clarkbI haven't had time yet to put on my java hat (also motivation is hard to find) to work on fixing it19:56
pleia2I'm conference+travel again Mon-Thursday of next week, speaking at POSSCON in South Carolina about how we do this open source, cross-company systems administration thing: http://posscon.org/talks/open-source-systems-administration/19:56
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pleia2I should be checking in though19:56
fungipleia2: ooh, where in sc? i might have suggestions for beer19:56
pleia2fungi: columbia19:56
clarkbso if anyone does want to wear a java hat I can point them to the bug which has the info that I have been able to collect and for everyone else keep an eye out for sluggish jenkins masters19:56
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fungihrm, other than some poorly-air-conditioned night clubs, my familiarity with columbia is minimal19:57
sdaguefungi / clarkb if someone can get the CORS bits sorted out for the limitted status url in zuul, and put jquery visibility on the gerrit machine, the fixes for zuul status inline are here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170935/19:57
fungii think there's a halfway decent brewery i've had stuff from there though19:57
pleia2that seems to be the consensus re: columbia ;)19:57
sdaguebut the rest of the infrastructure to make it work are out of my scope for the near future19:58
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zarowould like anybody with mysql gumption to review my gerrit db migration script. https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration19:59
fungipleia2: hrm, yeah no luck jogging my memory on the brewery with web searches, though they seem to have a smattering of brewpubs since the last time i was there19:59
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fungiokay, we're at time20:00
fungithanks all!20:00
pleia2thanks fungi20:00
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fungithe floor is all yours, ttx20:00
ttxAlright! Anyone here for the TC meeting ?20:00
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boris-42Hi hi!20:00
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ttxjgriffith, mordred, devananda, jeblair, dhellmann : around ?20:01
ttxoh, deva is here20:01
devanandattx: :)20:01
ttx#startmeeting tc20:02
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ttxOur agenda for today:20:02
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ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee20:02
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ttx#topic Give project teams still under consideration a derogation to be at the Design Summit20:02
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ttxWanted to start with this first20:02
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ttxBasically I need to close the projects list this week to work on final Design Summit space allocation20:02
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ttxBut we have a number of projects in the pipe, and I don't want to rush those discussions to meet that arbitrary deadline20:03
ttxSo my suggestion would be to give *all* projects in the pipeline Design Summit space, regardless of the state of their application20:03
ttxThat includes Rally, Security, Mistral and GBP.20:03
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ttxIMHO we have enough room in Vancouver to cover all of them without affecting "already official" projects.20:03
russellbsounds reasonable20:03
ttxHpw does that sound?20:03
mikalI think this is ag ood idea20:03
markmcclainI think that's reasonable20:03
sdagueworks for me20:03
ttxthat removes a bit of time pressure here20:04
ttxOK... Anyone opposed ?20:04
annegent_why even account for the pipeline though?20:04
annegent_I'm not opposed, just making sure I understand20:05
ttxannegent_: what do you mean by account for the pipeline ?20:05
ttxYou mean, why not close the list now ?20:05
annegent_can't any project pipelined or not have some space?20:05
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annegent_and why now with the list we have?20:05
ttxbecause space is finite ?20:05
ttxand we have to split it among a set list of projects ?20:05
annegent_sure but there's always trading in the last month. I mean I'm just checking with what I think will actually happen :)20:05
dhellmannttx: do we have any unorganized space this time, like the pods?20:06
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annegent_I can support drawing lines, sure.20:06
ttxThere will likely be /some/ unorganized space20:06
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ttxbut not as much as usual, since we have work rooms now20:06
jaypipeslet the horse trading commence.20:06
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annegent_"space is still finite, time is still untravelable"20:07
* mordred travels time20:07
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dhellmannannegent_: we all travel in time, we just can't steer20:07
ttxok, moving on20:07
mordredwe may all be dorks20:07
ttxzehicle: around?20:07
annegent_hee totally possible20:07
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devanandaannegent_: as ATC status, and thus the pass to the developer summit, is tied to contributions to official projects, simply opening it up to all not official and not even slated to become official projects seems ... odd20:07
ttxdevananda: design summit space will be limited to "openstack" projects20:08
ttxso +120:08
devanandattx: that's what I thought. thanks for clarifying.20:08
dhellmannttx: is access limited to atcs? I can never remember if we actually do that.20:08
ttxwe have "ecosystem space" for related non-openstack projects20:08
annegent_devananda: ttx: okay20:08
dhellmanncool, that addresses projects that don't have proposals up yet20:08
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ttxdhellmann: no, full access pass holders can also enter20:08
dhellmannok, that's what I thought20:09
devanandaright, and with the ops track mixed in, we can't limit to just ATCs20:09
dhellmannright, we don't want to, I was just trying to make sure that didn't mess with access for projects that wouldn't have scheduled time20:09
devanandadhellmann: right :)20:09
ttxannegent_: dhellmann: unfortunately some projects just miss the call20:10
ttxok, moving on20:10
annegent_ttx: ok thanks for explaining20:10
dhellmannttx: yep, no problem with me with drawing a line somewhere20:10
ttxfor reference: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/open-cloud-ecosystem20:10
ttxtahts' for ecosystem projects ^20:10
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ttx#topic Adding Rally to OpenStack20:10
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/16935720:11
mikalttx: did we skip over the defcore thing deliberately?20:11
ttxboris-42: hi!20:11
ttxmikal: if zehicle is not around...20:11
boris-42ttx: hi20:11
ttxlet's discuss Rally first and give him a chance to join20:11
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mikalttx: fair enough, just checking20:12
ttxWe are at 6 yes on that proposal already20:12
Rockygzehicle might be on the road.  Was in San Antonio this morning and the meeting ran an hour over.20:12
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ttxQuestions from the remaining voters to clarify your view on it ?20:12
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ttxRockyg: good to know. If he doesn't arrive we'll mention the topic with you20:13
markmcclainttx: effectively 8.. because mordred and jgriffith votes we're wiped by the update20:13
annegent_Can I nitpick for an article for "a framework" and misspelled OpensStack in the commit message?20:13
* jaypipes notes he voted +1 for rally even though boris-42 said he hated him on the ML.20:13
annegent_jaypipes: do you want a cookie? :)20:13
dhellmannannegent_: I think we could fast-approve a follow-up grammar fix20:13
* jaypipes tries not to anger The Boris.20:13
ttxmarkmcclain: since mordred is around he can reapply20:13
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annegent_boris-42: ok if I do a quick nit fix?20:13
ttxWe're actually at 7 now20:14
boris-42annegent_: yep it's ok20:14
devanandafollow up patches to fix nits ++20:14
ttxyes, follow up patch please, would hate to lose votes again20:14
ttx30 more seconds for eveyone to register their support20:14
dhellmannttx: I propose that annegent_'s patch falls under your housekeeping powers to just merge without debate20:14
sdaguedhellmann: ++20:14
ttxI'll take that expansion of my vast powers and run with it20:15
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jogo'Rally tasks as a common language'?20:15
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dhellmannannegent_: oh, I expected a separate patch, but that's ok20:17
devanandaannegent_: oh, fwiw, I meant a separate dependent patch, not another revision. the history is cleaner that way.20:17
ttxAlright, I applied discretionary power granted to me under exceptional conditions20:17
* devananda also reapplies vote20:17
annegent_dhellmann: devananda: ah sorry20:17
ttxand it's approved20:17
dhellmannttx: ++20:17
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dhellmanncongrats, boris-42 & team20:17
boris-42thank you for support!20:18
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ttxThat big tent is a much happier place than our integrated release cellar20:18
* mordred dances around the tent20:18
russellbhad a question before my connection messed up ... was curious what you thought could help increase diversity in contributors20:18
russellbaside from the obvious openstack git namespace issue20:18
annegent_mordred: why are you outside the tent? get back inside right now20:18
boris-42russellb: it helps a lot20:18
mordredannegent_: *sorry*20:19
boris-42russellb: many companies don't want to contribute in stackforge projects20:19
ttx#topic Adding the security team20:19
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russellbmaybe we should just rename all repos and drop the prefix20:19
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/17017220:19
ttxSo this is a new horizontal team, which will cover the work of the VMT (currently under "Release Cycle Management" team) and OSSG (previously considered external)20:19
jaypipesrussellb: perhaps a demo from Boris and team in a webinar or recorded session -- tailored to OpenStack project devs -- would help to showcase how Rally can be a useful tool for functional integration testing in the projects themselves.20:20
ttxI think the OSSG really structured its output lately (with OSSNs, security book, and bandit) so it makes sense to recognize it as "helping with the OpenStack Mission"20:20
ttxAnd I also think it makes sense to move the VMT under a single "Security" team since the current split is confusing to everyone (except maybe VMT members)20:20
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dhellmannttx: can you remind me what those acronyms stand for, please?20:20
annegent_Happy to move the security doc repo under their team.20:20
devanandaI'm very glad to see Security becoming a recognized cross-project effort20:20
dhellmanndevananda: ++20:21
jaypipesopestack security group, vulnerability management team20:21
ttxVMT = Vulnerability Management Team, basically handling discovered vulnerabilities20:21
ttxOSSG = OpenStack security Group, people working on improving the state of security in openstack20:21
devanandaopenstack security Notice20:21
dhellmannk, thanks20:21
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ttxOSSN = OpenStack Security Notes, random best practice and security advice20:21
ttxOSSA = OpenStack Security Advisories, for patched vulnerabilities20:22
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes20:22
ttxOSSG produces OSSN20:22
ttxVMT produced OSSA20:22
russellbdoes it really change anything about how VMT operates today?  just under a different team?20:22
devanandafungi: ah, thx for the correction20:22
fungipurely a governance change20:22
mordredttx: hyakuhei doesn't seem to be in IRC at the moment20:22
sdagueyeh, my only concern is that VMT still seems under staffed20:22
ttxrussell_h: changes nothing, just works under a new parent team20:22
fungisame members as before, same workflows and policies20:23
russellbok thanks20:23
ttxsdague: that doesn't help or hurt in that regard20:23
fungithe vmt is surprisingly not understaffed20:23
dhellmannif these teams all want to work together, it does seem to make sense to me20:23
sdagueit's not clear this helps, but I guess it doesn't hurt20:23
russellbif the VMT is good with it, i'm good with it20:23
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ttxsdague: might help by exposing more sec folk to VMT work20:23
russellbthat was the only part i wasn't sure about, since it's different people really20:23
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fungiwe keep the vmt intentionally small to limit information exposure, and then pull in security-oriented subject matter experts in specific projects as needed20:24
sdagueyeh, honestly, it seems all the people that care (being both vmt and ossg people) are for it20:24
ttxyes, we had that discussion internally to the VMT and decided it was an improvement20:24
russellbttx: great thanks20:24
sdagueso it seems like a no brainer20:24
mordredttx: should we perhaps suggest or nudge that PTLs of things should be findable in irc ?20:24
fungiso if we're short-staffed anywhere, it's actually on the individual projects/core reviewers end of things and not really so much the vmt itself20:24
ttxmordred: we probably should20:24
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ttxmordred: with elections coming up and all, that could play a role20:25
ttxwe have 10 yes, I'll approve now20:25
* mordred doesn't want a policy document or anything - but I think we should at least kinda send a friendly note or something20:25
* fungi will prefer a security ptl candidate who uses irc20:25
sdaguefungi: yeh, I guess that's what I meant, in doing bug triage and finding a bunch of pretty old sec bugs that are languishing, as well as stuff that was made public a year ago and not fixed20:25
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ttxIt's likely to conflict with previous merge anyway20:25
fungisdague: yep--we welcome more developers helping fix those bugs. they don't need to be in the vmt to do so20:26
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ttxok approved20:27
fungiif there are additional nova devs, for example, wanting to help with nova security bugs besides the ones who have already volunteered and given us a heads up, please send them our way20:27
mikalfungi: I was intending to do a bit of a reboot of that list at the start of Liberty20:27
mikalfungi: I didn't want to change it at this point in the release20:27
fungimikal: sounds great--thanks@20:27
ttx#topic Tags20:27
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ttx* Apply the team:diverse-affiliation tag (https://review.openstack.org/168968)20:28
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ttxWe have 9 yes... ready to approve20:28
ttxLast minute comments/questions on that one ?20:28
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annegent_ttx: who takes responsibility for applying the tag to the latest application? The project itelf?20:29
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russellbanyone who wants to20:29
russellb*hand wave*20:29
ttxyes, anyone can. I'll probably pick it up if nobody will20:29
annegent_got it20:29
ttxOK, approving in 20 sec20:29
ttx* Add a two-organization rule to the diverse-affiliation tag (https://review.openstack.org/168969)20:30
ttxSame here, approving in 30 sec20:30
sdagueyeh, I think we should just consider it like an oslo-sync20:30
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sdaguethe scripts are out there, someone just do it when it seems like it's gotten a little stale20:30
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ttxyes, I'd like to set up a proposal bot for stuff that can be automatically updated like diversity20:31
mordredlook it's a notmyname20:31
notmynameis there any worry that the script in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168970/2/tools/diversity.py is based on stackalytics? is that "official" now?20:31
sdaguettx: or just do it at milestones as a good trigger point20:31
russellbnotmyname: it was just easiest20:31
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notmynamerussellb: I totally get that :-)20:31
ttxsdague: +120:31
mordrednotmyname: we've had a todo list item to pull it in to infra fora  while20:31
mordrednotmyname: but have just not gotten around to it yet20:32
sdaguenotmyname: are there specific concerns with stackalytics?20:32
russellband i don't have any reason not to trust it20:32
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notmynameasking out of ignorance, is stackalytics open/auditable?20:32
ttxnotmyname: we'll point it to something else when we have something better to point to :)20:32
russellbif so, we should figure those out20:32
mordrednotmyname: it is20:32
russellbnotmyname: yeah20:32
notmynameah, ok then :-)20:32
mordrednotmyname: it's in stackforge20:32
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notmynameall concerns addressed, then :-)20:32
ttxnotmyname: and you can actually patch it when it's insane20:32
fungithere was some initial pushback, but there have been more recent interests expressed in mirantis not clutching it quite so tightly20:32
ttxok, approving now20:32
annegent_mordred: the more we rely on stackalytics and not activity.openstack the worse off activity.openstack gets though?20:32
sdagueyeh, it would be nicer if it was in -infra instead of run by a single company20:32
mordredjaypipes: we should really get around to getting around to that ...20:32
devanandathat it is in stackforge makes me happier with it20:33
fungiso if we do want to move it over to become an infra project or something that seems more possible now than it was a few months ago20:33
devanandamordred: but moving it to infra at this point would be good20:33
mordredannegent_: I believe stackalytics won the stackalytics vs. activity battle a long time ago20:33
russellbactivity.o.o is not useful for this AFAIK20:33
sdagueannegent_: activity.openstack is very not good20:33
ttxyes we need to have that discussion about activity reporting tools again20:33
annegent_but the not very good is due to inattention?20:33
annegent_that's what I'm wondering20:33
sdaguealso, architecture / platform20:33
russellbnot sure it had much hope20:33
mordredannegent_: well, it's also not good due to being implemented in a way that's opaque to our community20:33
russellbyeah, that20:33
fungiit's similarly maintained by one company right now, just one that's not an openstack member company at all20:34
ttx* Add diversity helper script (https://review.openstack.org/168970)20:34
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ttxI think that's more on-topic20:34
mrmartinfungi: we are moving activity.o.o under infra20:34
ttx5 yes, missing last 220:34
jaypipesmordred: agreed. offline convo.20:34
mordredjaypipes: ++20:34
ttxAny question on that that would help in voting ?20:34
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ttxI think a script is better than no script, so +120:35
sdagueno, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168970/ seems kind of crucial, as that's the tool to build the other reviews20:35
ttxone more neded20:35
russellbplenty that could be improved to automate more of it20:35
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russellbbut that's how much i had done just for myself when writing the tag def.20:35
russellbso seemed worth saving off20:35
sdaguethere we go20:36
dhellmannwould be useful to have a tox environment to run it, with dependencies listed, etc, but that can come in another patch20:36
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ttxOK, approving now20:36
sdaguedhellmann: it only needs requests20:36
ttx* Add "release:has-stable-branches" tag (https://review.openstack.org/169777)20:36
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dhellmannsdague: today20:36
ttxSo this one was created as a follow-up to the application of the other release tags.20:36
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ttxApplication showed that we were putting in the same bag (tag) things that were releasing at the same time as the managed 6-month release (like Manila) and things that just had a stable branch cut from their last kilo release (like python-*client or Oslo libs).20:36
ttxBoth are useful pieces of downstream information, and both are actually distinct20:37
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ttxSo creating a tag to describe "what has stable branches" (and keeping the release:at-6mo-cycle-end to really mean at the end of the 6-month cycle) allows to communicate both20:37
dhellmannthis seems like a good clarification to me20:37
ttxProposal creates tag and applies it, so that it's clear what it changes20:37
ttxAlthough it will need a rebase20:37
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ttxLet me know on the review if you have additional questions on it20:38
annegent_good thinking20:38
ttxAlthough if it gets two more +1 I'll approve it now and rebase it for discretionary powers20:38
ianwfungi: hey, could you get me a rax centos7 host?  i'm still debugging the glusterfs job.  i can not get it to replicate on a host i've created under my own account; even after running puppet and getting things looking pretty similar.  i want to check that i'm looking at the same kernel version, etc.  also i'm wondering if jenkins itself influences this20:39
ttxAlright, 7 it has. Approved, althogh I doubt it will just merge silently20:39
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ttx#topic Defcore process discussion20:39
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ttx#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/process/2015A.rst20:39
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hogepodgeEgle and Rob aren't able to make it20:40
ttxzehicle is stuck somewhere but we have other Defcore people around20:40
ttxzehicle asked for some time for us to discuss the approved defcore process20:40
ttxIt's not totally clear if the new bylaws require us to approve it (it mentions we need to agree with the board on thr procedure to follow to update the Defcore process)20:40
ttxBut in all cases it's better if we do not strongly disagree with it20:40
ttxMy only gripe with the process as laid out on 2015A.rst is that it's unclear that capabilities and required sections are drawn from the "TC-approved release" projects20:40
russellbmostly i think we need to agree to the parts that require our participation20:40
ttx(which is a requirement from the bylaws)20:40
russellbotherwise, *shrug*20:40
ttxSo further clarification could be introduced to that effect, but the process does not look completely crazy as it stands.20:40
* dhellmann needs to finish that tag definition proposal20:41
hogepodgeUpdates were made to the doc this morning at a large meeting. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreScale.10B20:41
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ttxDid TC member read enough of the proposed process to have an opinion on it ? Or should we wait until next week until everyone had a chance to dive into it ?20:41
Rockygttx: suggest a patch to clarify20:41
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russellbif there are changes this morning, we probably need time to see what changed20:41
ttxRockyg: I probably will20:41
* devananda has not read updated version yet20:42
* dhellmann needs time to read the updated version20:42
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dhellmannhogepodge: is that etherpad what we should be reviewing, or is there a patch somewhere under review?20:42
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ttxRockyg, hogepodge: could one of you clarify what Defcore means by "guideline" ?20:42
* dhellmann notes the second link is a review20:42
hogepodge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171335/ consensus patch to update process document20:42
Rockygdhellmann: it's the patch hogpodge posted20:43
* dhellmann nods20:43
ttxhogepodge, Rockyg: or have an example of a "guideline" ?20:43
russellbthanks for the link20:43
annegent_is the process still to be defined for "PTLs Recommend Changes to Designated Sections"?20:43
annegent_such as timing, to whom, how20:44
ttxhogepodge: is it a set of Capabilities and Designated sections to cover a given mark ?20:44
RockygWell, don't quote me on this, but guideline is the stuff the vendors have to do to qualify for mark20:44
hogepodgettx this is the latest guideline https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2015.04.json20:44
hogepodgeso that's the test, as I understand it from the lexicon.20:44
RockygAnd with the latest patch, the guideline will include designated sections20:44
ttxhogepodge: thx, that makes much more sense now20:44
* jaypipes being honest: doubts will be able to digest this defcore stuff.20:45
hogepodgeYes, the defcore repository has a lot of information, with the desire to bring it under greater community scrutiny. #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore20:45
ttxSo my suggestion would be for TC members to have a look and if they feel strongly about it, intervene on the defcore ML and/or on the defcore reviews20:45
sdaguettx: sounds reasonable.20:45
ttxSince I don't think discussing this for 10 more minutes will get us anywhere20:46
ttxthen we can schedule some time to discuss it next week20:46
russellbI think we should be looking to keep our involvement minimized, aside from what's required in bylaws, personally20:46
ttxrussellb: yes20:46
hogepodgeWe also have a meeting tomorrow, 9 PDT, info on the mailing list.20:46
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ttxrussellb: I want to clarify the famous procedure that the bylaws mandate we have and then let Defcore do their thing20:46
RockygYeah.  take a look at  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171335/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171338/ and I think it will lead you to more useful questions20:47
russellbttx: +120:47
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ttxrussellb: and as far as we are concerned the proceudre will mostly be on how to remove the "tc-approved-release" tag from some established projects20:47
RockygYou can ask the questions on the review so that the committee clarifies them.20:47
* jaypipes thinks the DefCore group/team/project/repo should be renamed os-branding-requirements20:47
ttxso it will be part of the tag definition.20:47
annegent_Rockyg: yep did so20:47
mordredjaypipes: ++20:48
russellbttx: cool, makes sense20:48
Rockygjaypipes:  ++20:48
ttxOK, I propose we move on20:48
* russellb has a tab open for this ... the ultimate todo list20:48
annegent_thanks hogepodge and Rockyg20:49
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ttx#action ttx to propose to include tc-approved-release subsetting as a part of the process20:49
ttx#topic Projects list housekeeping20:49
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ttx* Adds openstack/tripleo-common to TripleO... (https://review.openstack.org/166723)20:49
ttxThat one is the artist previously known under a confusing os-cloud-management name20:49
ttxI think under its current form it's not confusing anymore20:50
mikalYeah, I appreciate the name change20:50
ttxWill approve (since it has PTL +1) unless someone opposes it20:50
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ttx* Add new project puppet-pgsql_backup to infra (https://review.openstack.org/168117)20:50
ttxBasic project addition, approved by PTL, will approve post-meeting unless someone objects20:50
ttxoh actually has 7 yes now20:51
ttxapproving now20:51
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mikalOne day someone will explain to me why each of these is its own repo20:51
mikalBut whatevers20:51
dhellmannmikal: the tripleo and infra teams are having a competition to create the most repos20:51
mordredmikal: because we make them so that they can be reusable generally by puppet people broadly20:51
russellbmikal: makes it easier to reuse them i think20:51
mrmartinmikal: those modules were split apart from system-config in feb20:51
mordredmikal: and the convention is git-repo-per-module20:51
ttx* Update wording for Murano mission (https://review.openstack.org/168299)20:51
mikalmordred: herm, I think I prefer the racing tripleo explaination20:52
ttxMore than enough +1s, approving now20:52
mordredmikal: ok. it's because we're racing20:52
mikalmordred: thanks for the honesty :P20:52
mordredmikal: btw, I believe we're winning by a fair margin20:52
ttx* Add 'regulatory' to congress service name (https://review.openstack.org/169480)20:52
ttxSo this one is to clarify usage of "policy" in Congress service name20:52
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mikalsdague: makes comments whcih confuse me here20:52
ttxWe can bikeshed a bit on the clearest wording20:52
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dhellmannmordred: infra is cheating by making more things than the rest of us ;-)20:53
mikalPerhaps its because its 6am, but his regexp didn't parse for me20:53
ttxI agree that anything but "policy" makes sense20:53
mordreddhellmann: :)20:53
sdaguemikal: I was trying to replace out the use of naked policy use20:53
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sdagueI think we need to scrub the world policy out of congress otherwise we're just confusing everyone20:54
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ttxwe could make a "policy" tag and apply it to azll the projects that have some use for the word "policy" (all must be different)20:54
* sdague glares20:55
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ttxMaybe next year's april's fools20:55
dhellmannttx: or we could have a policy forbidding the use of the term policy in the description or name of any project20:55
mikalNext year will be the year I translate nova comments to the queen's english20:55
ttxthat sounds a lot less funny though20:55
mordreddhellmann: can that policy also abide by the policy?20:55
dhellmannmordred: I accept your challenge20:56
ttxI guess we should continue to bikeshed a bit on this one... it's far from having the required votes/support20:56
ttx#topic Open discussion20:56
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ttxannegentle added the following topic to the backlog last week:20:56
sdagueanyway, alternative word smithing would be appreciated, that's the best I could add after last week's meeting20:56
ttx* Need guidance for docs.openstack.org publishing and brand guidelines, especially for newest projects (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2015-March/000356.html)20:56
ttxNot sure there is anything left to discuss there though ?20:56
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annegent_I met with Foundation lawyers and sent out a ML post20:57
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ttxannegent_: did you get the droids you were looking for ?20:57
annegent_#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060710.html20:57
annegent_so big tent docs, go20:57
ttxWhat else...20:57
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ttxI'll be setting up some google form and spreadsheet to collect session ideas for the cross-project session, as mentioned on the -tc list20:57
ttxWho is interested in crafting the session list ? Will require some availability in the coming weeks20:58
fungiannegent_: did you manage to get clarification on cc-by declaration for documents and whether there needs to be an asl2 disclaimer for code samples included in them?20:58
ttxI'll need at least a couple of people20:58
annegent_fungi: not yet, will follow up once I have clarity20:58
annegent_fungi: ayup20:58
markmcclainttx: can help as long as it's not apr 16-27th20:58
ttxmarkmcclain: that sounds pretty much the timeframe we'll work on that20:59
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annegent_ttx: I can help with cross project listing20:59
dhellmannttx: I can help20:59
Rockygttx: be happy to help, but not sure I'm qualified20:59
ttxwe'll likely involve all TC on the voting part -- at this point I need partners in crime to help with the list20:59
ttxOK, volunteers noted21:00
ttxAnything else, anyone ?21:00
ttxI'll work on the design summit slot allocation at the end of the week, hopefully will be able to give confirmation to every team on Friday21:00
ttxMight ask the TC for advice if we end up needing to give some teams less than they asked21:01
ttxbut at this point it looks pretty good21:01
ttx(i.e. we should be able to give everyone more or less what they asked for21:01
ttx(still to be confirmed with newly-elected PTLs of course)21:01
ttxOK, we are overtime21:02
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russellbthanks all21:02
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-07-20.02.log.html21:02
ttxThanks everyone21:02
fungino cross-project meeting looks like? agenda's still empty21:02
ttxWe skipped the cross-project meeting due to lack of topics21:02
fungicross-project meeting: skipped by popular demand!21:02
ttxRemember to add to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting to suggest discussion topics21:02
ttxdhellmann: while you're around21:03
fungicooperation is overrated anyway21:03
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ttxdhellmann: A popular question during the syncs was around random libraries in each project and when to cut stable branches there21:03
dhellmannttx: I'm here for a few minutes - I'm not sure when we're landing21:03
dhellmannnon-oslo libs?21:04
ttxdhellmann: We might want to take some time at some point to go over them and see how much work they need21:04
ttxdhellmann: yes21:04
devanandadhellmann: yea, non-oslo. for example, ironic-python-agent or ironic-discoverd21:04
ttxapplying the stable branch policy for libraries21:04
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dhellmannmy first reaction is to say the same schedule as oslo (a week early) but we could probably be more flexible in some cases21:04
ttxdhellmann: my take was to cut stable branches from all of them ASAP based on their last kilo release21:04
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devanandathese are not actually libraries, so i'm not sure that the new policy applies though21:05
ttxand handle corner cases21:05
dhellmannttx; yes, makes sense21:05
ttxdhellmann: At one poijnt we need to cap on stable branches, right ?21:05
fungisoon after integrated release at the latest, well before landing any potentially breaking changes (no matter how subtle and unassuming they might feel)21:05
dhellmanndevananda: ok, so if it's just code splitting, then doing it in sync with the main app project might make more sense21:05
jogodhellmann: worst case is to retroactively cut a stable as needed21:05
dhellmannttx: yep, that's why we do oslo early21:05
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ttxdhellmann: I'm a bit afraid that ironic discoverd plans to cut a release after ironic RCs21:06
dhellmannjogo: the test jobs that install libs from source will fail for some updates in stable branch configurations for the apps21:06
devanandadhellmann: right, gotcha. so for these, coordinated with ironic makes the most sense21:06
dhellmannjogo: esp. requirements updates, but also sometimes API changes21:06
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jogodhellmann: hmm yeah the tests make that hard your right21:06
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devanandadhellmann: we are doing stable branches and capping client libs now too, right?21:06
dhellmanndevananda: we should be, I don't know if anyone has actually implemented it21:06
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sdaguedevananda: so if they are so tightly bound to ironic, synchronous release, why are they in separate repos? I would have expected more slack between the repos.21:07
devanandadhellmann: eg, python-ironicclient isn't in nova's requirements.txt, but we do need to pin it somehow21:07
dhellmannsdague: used by >1 ironic project, maybe?21:07
fungiyeah, basically your stable branch will get stable requirements updates proposed to it rather than master updates21:07
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dhellmanndevananda, ttx: I'm going to lose wifi soon as we start landing, can one of you start a ML thread?21:07
ttxdhellmann: I will, but tomorrow21:08
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ttxdevananda: you can beat me to it if you want21:08
dhellmanndevananda: capping will happen in the global list21:08
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ttxdhellmann, devananda: I want to list all affected libs first21:08
dhellmannfor libs that aren't used by more than one project team, it's a bit less important to cap early21:08
ttxand their current status21:08
dhellmannmakes sense, there may be different solutions21:08
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devanandadhellmann: ah, great. our client lib is in global reqs, so we're covered there then21:09
jogodhellmann: when should we cap global reqs?21:09
ttxdhellmann: I'm a bit afraid that we get borked by a late release and corresponding requirements bump needing to be propagated everywhere21:09
jogoas last I checked only oslo has started that21:09
dhellmannttx: late releases should be limited to bug fixes, which are patch releases, which don't need a requirements update21:09
devanandasdague: different developer/reviewer teams21:09
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ttxdhellmann: by late release I mean... some lib realizes they haven't made a release and suddenly does a major kilo one21:10
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dhellmannjogo: we can do that after we have a stable/kilo branch of g-r, I think21:10
ttxdevananda mentioned discoverd still needing to make their "'kilo" release21:10
dhellmannttx: that's what we're trying to avoid with the caps, so maybe they just lose out and learn to pay attention to the schedule next cyle21:10
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ttxAlthough I wonder if that qualifies as a "library"21:10
devanandattx: I dont think it does21:11
dhellmannttx: we're beyond a requirements freeze, right?21:11
ttxdevananda: If it does what its name says it does21:11
ttxdhellmann: yes21:11
jogodhellmann: that works for me21:11
devanandattx: discoverd is a separate service that optionally integrates with ironic21:11
ttxdevananda: ok, makes sense. Release when you want then21:11
dhellmannyeah, that doesn't sound like a library21:11
jogodhellmann: btw adam_g's effort to work on a better solution then just capping direct dependencies seems to have stalled out21:11
devanandaack, ty21:12
ttxdevananda: you might not even want a stable branch for that21:12
ttxOK, I'll list the libs and start a thread21:12
dhellmannjogo: yeah, I haven't had a chance to review the latest draft21:12
ttxdhellmann: thx21:12
dhellmannttx: thanks21:12
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jogodevananda: we need to cap reqs for anything that is used as a python library -- so if nothing imports discovered as a python lib you are safe21:12
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devanandajogo: as far as gate goes, the only concern I'd have is python-ironicclient, which it sounds like is covered already21:13
jogodevananda: right, that will need  a stable branch21:14
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jogosince we will cap the reqs on the stable branch etc.21:14
devanandattx: anything I need to do to create that stable branch?21:14
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ttxdevananda: I'll probably do them all once I listed the libs21:15
devanandajogo: i thought libraries are pinned by release number, not stable/foo ?21:15
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jogodevananda: correct, but we want to backport only bug fixes21:16
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jogodevananda: and we get cases where new lib versions may have very incompatible deps21:16
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jogosince we aggressively bump min versions21:16
devanandaclearly i should read the policy doc21:16
fungipin stable requirements to <x.(y+1) and then only release x.y.* from the stable branch and continue with x.(y+1) and later on master21:17
devanandafungi: ty. that was the piece missing from my mind21:17
jogodevananda: ^ that is the important part21:17
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fungiand if you take too long to create your stable branch, you're in the unfortunate position of trying to untangle releasable but necessary backports from unreleasable patches on master21:18
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fungiso better to branch as soon as it's feasible rather than waiting until you're about to tag a release and realize you have non-backward-compatible things (even just requirements updates) lurking therein21:20
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fungiwhich gets you into the mindset of evaluating patches on master for stable suitability as you go along21:21
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