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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 08:05:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:05 |
| anteaya | hands up if you are here for the third party meeting | 08:06 |
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| eantyshev | Hi, everyone! | 08:09 |
| anteaya | hello eantyshev | 08:09 |
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| anteaya | how are you? | 08:09 |
| eantyshev | Thanks, great! got a question | 08:10 |
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| anteaya | ask away | 08:10 |
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| eantyshev | my gearman server looses jobs info after zuul is restarted | 08:11 |
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| anteaya | do you have a stack trace? | 08:11 |
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| eantyshev | jobs are reported as 'not registered', no trace | 08:12 |
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| anteaya | ah yes 'not registered' a favourite | 08:12 |
| anteaya | so this occurs after zuul is restarted | 08:13 |
| eantyshev | evenually brought back | 08:13 |
| anteaya | hmmmmm | 08:13 |
| anteaya | so yes not registered is usually due to a communication disconnect between zuul and gearman | 08:13 |
| anteaya | have you tried restarting gearman when you restart zuul? | 08:13 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure that will work, I'm just wondering if you have tried that | 08:14 |
| eantyshev | isn't gearman client opened from zuul itself? | 08:16 |
| anteaya | opened? | 08:16 |
| anteaya | it might be installed with zuul due to how puppet is configured | 08:16 |
| anteaya | but restarting zuul doesn't restart gearman as far as I know | 08:17 |
| anteaya | they are separate services | 08:17 |
| eantyshev | have to tell you I'm using 'development' version of puppet. Gearman server has its section in zuul config | 08:19 |
| anteaya | okay I'm not great at puppet | 08:19 |
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| anteaya | can you restart gearman from zuul? | 08:20 |
| anteaya | I will admit that I myself do not run these services | 08:20 |
| anteaya | it turns out that talking to folks to co-ordinate third party efforts takes more time that I had expected over the last 2 years | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | and my residual energy has not been sufficient for me to stand up these services myself | 08:21 |
| anteaya | while I wish that I had been able to | 08:21 |
| anteaya | I have to be honest with my abilities in this area | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | so I know that not registered means that in the zuul > gearman > jenkins communication chain someone is not talking to the others | 08:22 |
| anteaya | but after that I am guessing | 08:23 |
| anteaya | and trying to recall what others have done | 08:23 |
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| eantyshev | Okay, this isn't a big deal, I can investigate it further | 08:25 |
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| eantyshev | Just wondered if anyone faced it | 08:26 |
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| anteaya | sure | 08:27 |
| anteaya | and yes, I think almost everyone has hit it at some point | 08:28 |
| anteaya | see if you can find a way to restart gearman | 08:28 |
| eantyshev | As far as I understand, gearman server hosts as a child of the main zuul-server process | 08:28 |
| anteaya | also can you list processes, and see if gearman is there | 08:28 |
| anteaya | ah | 08:28 |
| anteaya | see I have a different understanding | 08:28 |
| anteaya | my understanding is that gearman is its own service | 08:29 |
| anteaya | but I only have hearsay for my understanding | 08:29 |
| anteaya | so you may be correct | 08:29 |
| eantyshev | looking at zuul/cmd/server.py: Server.start_gear_server() | 08:29 |
| anteaya | is there a restart? | 08:29 |
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| eantyshev | service zuul stop/start should do that? | 08:31 |
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| anteaya | hmmmm, looking at the server.py file you may be correct | 08:32 |
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| anteaya | do you have a zuul merger set up? | 08:32 |
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| eantyshev | it's in another process, zuul-merger. Has it anything with gearman? | 08:33 |
| anteaya | well the jobs need it | 08:34 |
| eantyshev | does its job allright | 08:34 |
| anteaya | so I am going with gearman must have to interface with it at some point | 08:34 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:34 |
| eantyshev | I restart them both, anyway | 08:34 |
| anteaya | can't hurt | 08:35 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: any further thoughts? | 08:44 |
| anteaya | or are you trying it now? | 08:44 |
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| eantyshev | anteaya: have to investigate how to trigger gearman server jobs update | 08:46 |
| anteaya | ah okay, fair enough | 08:46 |
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| anteaya | did you have anything else you wanted to discuss today? | 08:47 |
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| eantyshev | no, just that | 08:47 |
| anteaya | okay great | 08:47 |
| anteaya | so are you willing to come back to the meeting next week and share your findings? | 08:48 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: I'll do my best | 08:49 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:49 |
| anteaya | any objection to me ending this meeting? | 08:50 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 09:00 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 09:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-14-08.05.html | 09:00 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 15:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:00 |
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| lxsli | o/ | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | not much to talk about today, mostly reviews for the release, but... | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic Vancouver sessions | 15:02 |
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| alaski | o/ | 15:03 |
| n0ano | I know we're on the list for a scheduler session, do we have any more details we want to put up? | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I updated the etherpad | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 15:04 |
| bauzas | L50 | 15:04 |
| n0ano | I saw that, it looks good for getting a discussion going | 15:04 |
| bauzas | oops L60 | 15:04 |
| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, others updated the pad | 15:04 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah johnthetubaguy added a very good question about the opportunity to split out the sched | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | the one about external API? | 15:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: technically, everything can be done within Nova without splitting the sched | 15:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: even the cross-project stats | 15:06 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but we should raise the point about it not being only a tech thing | 15:06 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but also a scaling out development team | 15:06 |
| n0ano | bauzas, all good ideas that are appropriate for the summit session | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that said, that's still an excellent question - ie. I don't care if we don't split the scheduler, I'm just concerned about making sure we can fix our problems quickly | 15:07 |
| n0ano | from a session perspective, I think what's on the pad is good enough so I think we're set | 15:07 |
| bauzas | so we can focus on a cross-project thing soon | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I'm also in the cells V2 effort and those guys desesperatly need a scalable scheduler | 15:08 |
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| alaski | bauzas: +1 | 15:08 |
| n0ano | cells, nova, cinder, ironic - there are lots of people that need a scheduler | 15:09 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so I'm beginning to draft a few things in my mind to see how we can achieve a shared-state scheduler | 15:09 |
| alaski | n0ano: cells primarily needs the current scheduler to scale, not for it to split | 15:09 |
| bauzas | n0ano: technically cells is just a nova thing | 15:09 |
| n0ano | bauzas, beyond what we were supposed to get with the resource tracker? | 15:09 |
| bauzas | n0ano: it doesn't it to be split | 15:10 |
| bauzas | ergh alaski burned me | 15:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the resource tracker is just an ugly thing for providing food for thoughts to the scheduler | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I raised an old BP led by jay about allocation ratios which need to move on to the RT | 15:11 |
| n0ano | I | 15:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we also need to consider how we can put claims to the scheduler | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | hi guys. | 15:11 |
| bauzas | but I don't think those two tasks are necessary for scaling out the sched | 15:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: \o/ | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | sorry, been on vacation until about 2 hours ago. | 15:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you were under radar :) | 15:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: np | 15:12 |
| jaypipes | yes, deliberately :) | 15:12 |
| n0ano | I'm a little worried that the scheduler was ugly so we create the RT and now the RT is ugly so we create something else, a lot of spinning going on | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we reduced the tech debt by a good level in Kilo | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: so, we could discuss further on but I was basically saying that I provided a list of things to do for Liberrty | 15:13 |
| n0ano | bauzas, for the priority tasks, there's still a lot of other tech debt to deal with | 15:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: do you think you will have time to look at bp/resource-usage ? | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | ergh | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | bp/resource-objects | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I also hijacked bp/allocation-ratios-to-RT because we need it soon :) | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: which are ? | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I will tackle resource-usage this week. | 15:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: \o/ | 15:15 |
| n0ano | bauzas, just in general, a lot of overload on the core team | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: cool on allocation-ratio one. | 15:15 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so we need to get a priority for Liberty | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: because it damned worked good | 15:15 |
| bauzas | worked *well | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | fat fingers and a f* English | 15:16 |
| n0ano | bauzas, well, it'll be interesting to see what other items want to be a priority | 15:16 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sure | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but wrt cells, scheduling is just a necessary for them too | 15:16 |
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| n0ano | the process works great if you're a priority, not so much if not | 15:16 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so let's us become a priority thing | 15:17 |
| * PaulMurray o/ - sorry I'm late | 15:17 | |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, NP | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: honestly, we're one of the priorities which kinda succeeded on the last cycle | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but sure, we can't bet on that - at least I wouldn't | 15:18 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | well, I think we're actually ready for Vancouver, what a surprise | 15:19 |
| bauzas | soooo, I would just say that we need to continue focusing on improving the scheduler while considering why a split would be important at the same time | 15:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, we need some housekeeping stuff | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: would you mind resubmit bp/resource-objects for Liberty as a Previously-approved spec ? | 15:20 |
| n0ano | what housekeeping are you thinking of, other than re-submitting specs for liberty | 15:20 |
| bauzas | n0ano: exactly that one :D | 15:20 |
| n0ano | good seque... | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | #topic Specs for Liberty | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | so I made a few uploads | 15:20 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/173252 | 15:20 |
| n0ano | now that L is open we shoul re-submit all our open specs again, this is mainly to bauzas and PaulMurray | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/173316 | 15:21 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, I will do that. | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: and jaypipes's bp/resource-objects | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: excellent, ty | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | and PaulMurray's make-rt-use-objects | 15:21 |
| bauzas | then, I'll sort it out with johnthetubaguy for the ones who are consensual | 15:22 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, johnthetubaguy approved the rt-objects as a trivial-not-needing spec | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | do ping me if you need help getting stuff approved | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, reall? cool, that makes your life simpler | 15:22 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, will I need to bother with the spec ^^^ | 15:22 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: cool, then let's resume your work on that bp | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I made a few updates for the L specs | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: treating it as an objects tidy up / bug fix, given we discussed that spec enough before now | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: lets see if everyone agrees, but I would ignore the spec thing for now | 15:23 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I wouldn't bet it could be fast-approved as I needed to make some adjustements | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, adjustments to the spec or the patches? | 15:23 |
| bauzas | n0ano: on the specs | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: good heads up | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: some content was outdated because we merged a few things and some content was wrong because the implementation draft showed it was an error | 15:24 |
| n0ano | unless the bauzas adjustments are major we should still be able to fast track the spec | 15:24 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I leave that to the nova-drivers | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: that doesn't block me to work on the implementation | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | so, bottom line, PaulMurray doesn't need to re-submit, hopefully we can fast track bauzas & jaypipes specs | 15:26 |
| bauzas | that leaves others think about other things they want to shape for L | 15:26 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, that | 15:26 |
| * n0ano fat fingers also | 15:26 | |
| bauzas | n0ano: on my side, I'm pretty staffed for Liberty | 15:26 |
| n0ano | bauzas, that's always the case of other developtment | 15:27 |
| bauzas | agreed | 15:27 |
| n0ano | OK, moving on... | 15:27 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | anything new for today? | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | hearing crickets | 15:28 |
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| * n0ano is afraid he will have to go back to re-wiring his house (long story) | 15:28 | |
| bauzas | re-wiring ? | 15:29 |
| bauzas | is it what I understand ? | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | 100Mbit needs 4 wires from a Cat-5 cable, 1G needs all 8 leaving nothing for the phone line | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: invest on IoT | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | getting 1G ethernet & phone is `challenging` | 15:30 |
| bauzas | ? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | anyway, that's off-topic but I can help you, I have a personal home wired network that can do both | 15:31 |
| n0ano | bauzas, my house only sent 1 single Cat5 cable to each room, I want 1G | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: got it, move to Cat6 but that shouldn't impact your phone line | 15:31 |
| n0ano | I have the solution, just requires re-wiring | 15:31 |
| n0ano | we can compare notes at Vancouver | 15:32 |
| bauzas | or buy a SIP hone | 15:32 |
| bauzas | phone | 15:32 |
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| n0ano | OK, I think we're done on the scheduler | 15:32 |
| bauzas | lolo | 15:32 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone | 15:32 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:32 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 15:32:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-14-15.00.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-14-15.00.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-14-15.00.log.html | 15:32 |
| n0ano | bauzas, when I said re-wiring I meant the distribution panel & the room jacks, I can't run new cable | 15:33 |
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| msdubov_ | #startmeeting Rally | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 17:07:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is msdubov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:07 |
| msdubov_ | rvasilets, yfried, andreykurilin1 Hi | 17:08 |
| rvasilets | Hi | 17:08 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: hi. I'm partially here... | 17:09 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, Ok :) | 17:09 |
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| msdubov_ | pradeep Hi! | 17:11 |
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| msdubov_ | Okay seems like the today's meeting is going to be not very long since many people are missing | 17:12 |
| msdubov_ | But let's start | 17:12 |
| msdubov_ | #topic Rally accepted to Openstack | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally accepted to Openstack (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:12 | |
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| yfried | msdubov_: yey | 17:12 |
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| msdubov_ | After 1.5 years of development Rally has got accepted to OpenStack as an official OpenStack project! | 17:12 |
| msdubov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169357/ | 17:13 |
| msdubov_ | Nice job, guys, and congratulations | 17:13 |
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| msdubov_ | #topic Release 0.0.3 | 17:13 |
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| meteorfox | msdubov_: what are the next steps? does Rally moves to github OpenStack | 17:14 |
| meteorfox | oops to late | 17:14 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: Hi | 17:14 |
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| msdubov_ | meteorfox, nevermind :) Yep, as far as I know we will move to OpenStack | 17:14 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: kool :) | 17:14 |
| meteorfox | cool | 17:15 |
| * yfried gonna have to change all automation scripts... | 17:15 | |
| msdubov_ | meteorfox, and the next steps are to deal somehow with the increasing interest from the community :) | 17:15 |
| msdubov_ | meteorfox, there will be more and more developers involved | 17:15 |
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| meteorfox | msdubov_: I think having a very clear roadmap should help focus that interest | 17:15 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: yfried: Good news. Any major code changes expected due to this? | 17:15 |
| msdubov_ | meteorfox, yep, that's true | 17:15 |
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| msdubov_ | pradeep, don't think so, we're just following our Roadmap as before | 17:16 |
| pradeep | ok | 17:16 |
| msdubov_ | So another important news is that we are about to have the 0.0.3 release | 17:16 |
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| msdubov_ | Oh we actually already have it :) | 17:16 |
| msdubov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/173134 | 17:16 |
| msdubov_ | This release cycle took us 33 days, but we're striving towards a 2-weeks release cycle | 17:17 |
| msdubov_ | The 0.0.3 release brings 53 commits | 17:17 |
| msdubov_ | Among them - 11 new plugins (benchmark scenarios/runners/sla stuff) and 14 bugfixes | 17:17 |
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| msdubov_ | 0.0.3 also includes some changes in the docs and the spec on the new input task format | 17:18 |
| msdubov_ | Any questions on this? | 17:18 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: re spec - have we started working on it? | 17:19 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: 2 week cycle would be bit challenging? | 17:19 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: how do other projects follow? | 17:19 |
| yfried | pradeep: milestones (~3 for each version, AFAIK) | 17:20 |
| pradeep | ok | 17:20 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried: Seems like not yet, there are some blockers that have to be implemented first | 17:21 |
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| msdubov_ | pradeep, Yep, this is going to be challenging, the next topic is going to be about that | 17:22 |
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| msdubov_ | So let's move to it | 17:23 |
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| msdubov_ | #topic Release management | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release management (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:23 | |
| msdubov_ | So, indeed, to have a successful 2-weeks release cycle, we have to be a bit more organized | 17:23 |
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| msdubov_ | And there should be a mechanism of notifying the reviewers of what should be reviewed first to get to the next release | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | The idea is to use a special blueprint for that | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/important-for-next-release | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | This blueprint has to be mentioned in the corresponding patches on Gerrit, which will make it simpler for the reviewers to find out the patches that are of the highest importance | 17:24 |
| yfried | msdubov_: openstack projects can create special gerrit dashboards with priorities and such | 17:25 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, interesting, I personally didn't take a llok at them | 17:25 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, but anyway, we're always trying to make everything as simple as possible | 17:26 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, A blueprint makes it simple to make just a list of patches that have to be merged in 0.0.x | 17:26 |
| yfried | https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-dashboards.html | 17:26 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, thanks | 17:26 |
| yfried | https://github.com/sdague/gerrit-dash-creator | 17:26 |
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| yfried | https://github.com/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator | 17:26 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, Thank you one more time | 17:27 |
| msdubov_ | #action to look at the gerrit dashboards | 17:27 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: that's unrelated to tracking patches with bp | 17:27 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, I see | 17:28 |
| yfried | msdubov_: which should be done regardlessly | 17:28 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, ok | 17:28 |
| msdubov_ | So along with that... | 17:28 |
| msdubov_ | We will also presumably have a special IRC meeting at #openstack-meeting for release discussions | 17:28 |
| msdubov_ | every week | 17:28 |
| yfried | msdubov_: could we do it in more reasonable times? | 17:28 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: was about to ask that | 17:29 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, aren't you ok with the time of this meeting? | 17:29 |
| pradeep | yfried: ^ | 17:29 |
| yfried | it's 20:30 for me | 17:29 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, for me too :) | 17:29 |
| aswadr | folks- which timezone is it? | 17:30 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: 23:00 in india now. :) | 17:30 |
| yfried | msdubov_: my daughter here is wating for her bath ... :( | 17:30 |
| aswadr | is is* | 17:30 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, ah | 17:30 |
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| yfried | ~5hrs earlier? | 17:30 |
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| msdubov_ | aswadr, UTC+3 for me | 17:31 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, Will talk to boris-42! | 17:31 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: maybe alternating weeks? | 17:31 |
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| aswadr | @msdubov_ thanks! and is the day decidec too? | 17:31 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, I think we have the meeting in the evening to make it possible for people overseas to participate | 17:31 |
| msdubov_ | aswadr, Not yet | 17:31 |
| aswadr | o | 17:32 |
| aswadr | ok* | 17:32 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, alternating weeks? what do you mean? | 17:32 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: 1 week this time, 1week earlier | 17:32 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, Not sure this is the best solution... | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, Ok, will discuss that with Boris | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | So, as for the release management | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | I will be responsible for this process | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | (chairing meetings, writing release notes etc.) | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | Are there any questions left on this? | 17:34 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, Do you have a couple of minutes? | 17:36 |
| yfried | msdubov_: yes | 17:36 |
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| msdubov_ | #topic Refactoring scenario utils | 17:37 |
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| msdubov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172831/ | 17:37 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, Could you please tell us a bit about this? | 17:37 |
| yfried | msdubov_: great | 17:37 |
| yfried | so this was asked for by boris-42 | 17:37 |
| * yfried looking for links | 17:38 | |
| yfried | we worked on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:IPv6_Tests,n,z | 17:38 |
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| yfried | and it intorduces complicated changes that are required in ctx as well as wrapper and would be handy in Neutron utils and other scenario down the road | 17:39 |
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| yfried | so the idea is to have all service utils in one place that is accesible for all plugins | 17:41 |
| yfried | and while at it, move away from the inheritance relationship between utils and scenarios, towards compositions | 17:42 |
| yfried | meaning: scenarios will have utils as attributes | 17:42 |
| yfried | clear enough? | 17:42 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, yep, thanks! | 17:43 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, Will review | 17:43 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: also | 17:44 |
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| yfried | having all utils in a single place will make the wrapper (net, keystone) part of that tree and simpler to handle | 17:44 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, Won't it be a kind of too much for a single place? | 17:45 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: having the wrapper there as well? | 17:46 |
| yfried | msdubov_: IMO no | 17:46 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, ok | 17:46 |
| yfried | msdubov_: becuase they would be integrated in this tree and would hold only the necessary code (less code in wrapper) | 17:47 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, ok | 17:48 |
| msdubov_ | #topic Free discussion | 17:48 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: what about meeting agenda? | 17:48 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: i see some patches posted long long before. | 17:48 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, ? | 17:49 |
| msdubov_ | pradeep, Which ones? | 17:49 |
| pradeep | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97030/ | 17:49 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: some one working on those? | 17:49 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: for ex: ironic. | 17:50 |
| pradeep | msdubov_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117705/ | 17:50 |
| msdubov_ | pradeep, As for that patch, it seems like it should have been abandoned | 17:50 |
| msdubov_ | pradeep, There is a similar work in another chain of patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141671/ | 17:51 |
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| msdubov_ | pradeep, But some patches are just low priority | 17:51 |
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| msdubov_ | pradeep, or people get tired of working on them :) | 17:51 |
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| yfried | pradeep: I guess you could post a comment asking about them, and if no response in ~1wk, just take over | 17:52 |
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| pradeep | msdubov_: :) ok | 17:52 |
| pradeep | yfried: sure | 17:52 |
| yfried | pradeep: if that's what you are asking | 17:52 |
| yfried | msdubov_: re agenda | 17:52 |
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| pradeep | yes | 17:52 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: boris suggested we publish an editable agenda prior to the meetings, so ppl can add stuff, and prepare in advance, or maybe cancle a meeting if nothing is on the agenda? | 17:53 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, hm, that makes sense | 17:54 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, he didn't tell me that today :) | 17:54 |
| yfried | msdubov_: if we had an agenda... | 17:54 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: also, do we have some automatic logging of meetings? | 17:54 |
| msdubov_ | msdubov_, It just turned out a couple of hours back that I'll chair it | 17:55 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, yes | 17:55 |
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| msdubov_ | When I'll finish the meeting there will be links | 17:55 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried, Can I do that? :) | 17:55 |
| tosky | yfried: you can use the wiki, as other projects do: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 17:56 |
| * yfried going to wash my kid | 17:56 | |
| yfried | msdubov_: sure | 17:56 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, You can also always find the link to the meeting logs here http://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/project_info.html | 17:57 |
| msdubov_ | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 17:57:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-14-17.07.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-14-17.07.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-14-17.07.log.html | 17:57 |
| msdubov_ | yfried, ^ | 17:57 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, fmarco76, davechen, dims, | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | ericksonsantos | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | \o/ | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: hey | 17:59 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, you are here! | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 17:59 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 17:59 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | wonder if there's anyone one that ping list that should be pruned? | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yeah was going to be here in either case. Just wasn't sure when I'd need to leave. | 17:59 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | cool cool | 18:00 |
| davechen | :) | 18:00 |
| raildo | _o_ | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: probably. But not sure who. | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: maybe start by building a list of those who are never online to receive a ping | 18:00 |
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| joesavak | o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | HeyO! | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | I think I'll do roll call next 2-3 meetings | 18:01 |
| henrynash | good evening | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | Anyone not there will be pruned | 18:01 |
| ayoung | Robot Roll Call! | 18:02 |
| stevemar | the list is getting a bit long | 18:02 |
| bknudson | cambot | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | Waiting for scroll back on my main connection. | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | Sec. | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 18:02:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | laaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggg | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | Ok going to do a rollcall vote, please respond if you're here for the keystone meeting. after 2-3 meetings will prune the ping list | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I hear they have much faster wireless in the Cafes in NYC | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Rollcall? here | 18:03 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Rollcall? Valid vote options are here. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| dstanek | #vote here | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #vote here | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #vote here | 18:03 |
| raildo | #vote here | 18:03 |
| gyee | #vote here | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | #vote here | 18:03 |
| bknudson | this is like the PTL vote where there was only one option | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #vote not_here | 18:03 |
| openstack | stevemar: not_here is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| ajayaa | #vote here | 18:04 |
| davechen | #vote here | 18:04 |
| stevemar | #vote here | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, nothing stopped you from running for PTL ;) | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | #vote no lo contendere | 18:04 |
| openstack | ayoung: no lo contendere is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:04 |
| henrynash | #vote here | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #vote here | 18:04 |
| gyee | #vote for Hilary | 18:04 |
| openstack | gyee: for Hilary is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | LOL | 18:04 |
| topol | #vote here | 18:04 |
| gyee | sheeet | 18:04 |
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| amakarov | #vote here | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | 20 more seconds. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | #vote for Pedro | 18:04 |
| openstack | ayoung: for Pedro is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:04 |
| henrynash | vote monster-raving-looney-party | 18:04 |
| lhcheng | #vote here | 18:04 |
| joesavak | #vote here | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, this is Keystone. That would just be redundant. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:05 |
| openstack | Voted on "Rollcall?" Results are | 18:05 |
| openstack | here (17): rodrigods, davechen, gyee, lbragstad, ayoung, morganfainberg, lhcheng, bknudson, ajayaa, dstanek, dolphm, topol, joesavak, amakarov, henrynash, raildo, stevemar | 18:05 |
| henrynash | (see: http://www.omrlp.com) | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | boom, new list! | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | we'll do that the next couple meetings and then prune the list down. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | #topic RC2 opens for patches tomorrow | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC2 opens for patches tomorrow (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, is the new list going to be the union or intersection? | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | henrynash, theyd get my vote | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, new list will be union of all around for all 3 rollcalls | 18:06 |
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| bknudson | first patches will have to be ones to get it working. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | anyway, RC2 opens tomorrow | 18:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: must be present to win | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | w00t! | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | we have ~5-6 bugs | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | i don't think we have a lot more to add. | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | looking good | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, is all the web sso stuff in? | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | Let me check the blacklist one...I thought that made it | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if it isn't we can't backport it. | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'm 99% sure that landed. | 18:07 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, I think the issue is other projects, not Keystone server | 18:07 |
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| lhcheng | ayoung: yeah, that is in master and tagged for rc | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | blacklist in mapping rules? | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, yeah | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | :( | 18:08 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, I'll link | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | it should be in rc | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:08 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: oops nvm, thought it was the remote_id mapping. | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | we can evaluate it if it isn't in rc1 | 18:08 |
| ayoung | lhcheng, ah, I knew there was one... | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | but i think it had dependency issues | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | or one of them did and needed to push to L | 18:09 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, remote_id mapping needs backport | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that one was icky iirc | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:09 |
| rodrigods | remote_id mapping hasn't support in OSC | 18:09 |
| rodrigods | saw someone complaining about it | 18:09 |
| ayoung | 9b11d13856034e3a2cf6ab1f6ca80a6965818d17 | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | please tag bugs w/ the kilo-rc-potential flag | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | if it should be in RC [and is a legitimate blocker] | 18:09 |
| ayoung | there was also the bug nkinder fixed ... | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | if it is questionable if it should block RC ask me, ask dolphm, | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, hah you don't get off the hook! >.> | 18:10 |
| ayoung | bug: #1440185 | 18:10 |
| openstack | bug 1440185 in Keystone "Identity provider create fails if remote_id is not set" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440185 - Assigned to Nathan Kinder (nkinder) | 18:10 |
| dolphm | /hugs | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, fixed released = in rc | 18:11 |
| ayoung | yep...just doing the due dilligence | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, would be fix commited otherwise :) | 18:11 |
| ayoung | we put too much effort into websso to have it be broken due to an unmerged patch now | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ok moving on | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Keystone middleware to "named" release model | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone middleware to "named" release model (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:11 | |
| morganfainberg | as much as I like Semver | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | we are locked to the requirements of the process ksm runs in | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | among other things | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | we should move ksm to the named release model | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll put this to a vote though. | 18:12 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: doa 1.2.0 released yesterday - that includes the websso patch | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | and/or open for discussion | 18:12 |
| bknudson | we could try to expand the supported requirements. | 18:12 |
| ayoung | schawing!\ | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | lhcheng, and Horizon had all the fixes in rc 1 as well, right? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | although that will be difficult if it depends on keystoneclient features. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the issue is semver + global-requirements = really really odd mixes of can/does/doesn't work | 18:13 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: yes | 18:13 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1441827 can't be backported? | 18:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441827 in Keystone "Cannot set per protocol remote_id_attribute" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Lin Hua Cheng (lin-hua-cheng) | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | the named release is fine with ksc since it still locks to the version. | 18:13 |
| ayoung | It means our docs are wrong | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we will evaluate any bug. | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: switching to named versions would mean we could start deprecating in release + 2 at least | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, is it legitimately a release blocker? or is it a "would be nice to have" | 18:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, its currently targetted at L1 | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, correct. | 18:14 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: i like that | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, lets look at it tomorrow with the other bugs. | 18:14 |
| bknudson | I think we can already deprecate things since we've got stable branches now. | 18:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so I shouldtag ita s rc2 if I think it should be backported? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | for keystonemiddleware and keystoneclient | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yes. | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, client is a bit different since the CLI and interfaces are used outside of openstack | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but ksm is all private interfaces | 18:15 |
| ayoung | OK...it has that | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, lets start with KSM since it's easier and attack client separately | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, before we deprecate in client i want to do the keystoneauth split anyway | 18:16 |
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| gyee | split keystoneauth? | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | gyee: session and auth plugins into there own library | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, session, discovery, plugins into their own repo. auth != interfacing with keystone's API | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | and really trim requirements down for it | 18:17 |
| gyee | k, make sense | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | so, for KSM, anyone feel strongly against moving it to the named release cycle? | 18:17 |
| bknudson | is openstack sdk going to use keystoneauth? | 18:17 |
| gyee | I think they would be oslo common right? | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | this would be for Liberty and beyond. | 18:17 |
| gyee | since auth is shared | 18:17 |
| bknudson | named release cycle makes sense for ksm. | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | kilo will stick with semver cause we're already here. | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | and we have lots of test rekejiggering to do if we do named/milestone releases | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | s/test/gate job/ | 18:18 |
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| morganfainberg | ok quick vote | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Move keystonemiddleware to "named" release cycle? yes,no,i-dislike-polls | 18:19 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Move keystonemiddleware to "named" release cycle? Valid vote options are yes, no, i-dislike-polls. | 18:19 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | fair warning, that last option is a yes. | 18:19 |
| dstanek | #vote i-dislike-polls | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | #vote yes | 18:19 |
| amakarov | #vote yes | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | #vote yes | 18:19 |
| dolphm | #vote no-strong-opinion | 18:20 |
| davechen | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| openstack | dolphm: no-strong-opinion is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no, i-dislike-polls. | 18:20 |
| bknudson | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #vote i-dislike-polls | 18:20 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| dstanek | tbh, i would be fine either way | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #vote i-dislike-polls | 18:20 |
| rodrigods | #vote i-dislike-polls | 18:20 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: ++ | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | same here | 18:20 |
| lhcheng | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, dstanek, no strong opinion = lets go with the easier/less confusing path | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | which i think is named releases | 18:20 |
| joesavak | #vote yes | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | 15 more s | 18:21 |
| topol | does dolphm mean he is a strong no or no opinion? | 18:21 |
| topol | #vote yes | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | topol, eats shoots and leaves or eats, shoots, and leaves? | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:21 |
| openstack | Voted on "Move keystonemiddleware to "named" release cycle?" Results are | 18:21 |
| openstack | i-dislike-polls (4): lbragstad, rodrigods, dstanek, dolphm | 18:21 |
| dolphm | topol: strong no opinion | 18:21 |
| openstack | yes (10): joesavak, gyee, ayoung, morganfainberg, lhcheng, davechen, jamielennox, amakarov, bknudson, topol | 18:21 |
| topol | let's eat grandma | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | #action in liberty keystone middleware moves to "named" release | 18:22 |
| dolphm | i kinda wish everything was semver, but <reality> | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yah | 18:22 |
| bknudson | yah, what happened to keystone semver? | 18:22 |
| rodrigods | sem ver in portuguese: without seeing | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am worried about a bag of worms that scares the hell out of me at the moment | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, waiting for some fallout from big tent to make any proposals | 18:23 |
| bknudson | now I'm scared. | 18:23 |
| raildo | haha | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's more how much bikeshedding do i want to deal with over something that has minimal impact at the moment | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, shouldn't affect anyone measurably otherwise | 18:23 |
| htruta | too late for voting "here" ? :( | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | and right now, my tolerance for that kind of bike shedding is pretty low (after release i'll be more open to dealing with that) | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | htruta, which way would you have voted? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | htruta, just make sure you make the poll at the meeting for being on the ping list | 18:24 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: was there more than one choice? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, for rollcall? oh no | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:24 |
| joesavak | abstain? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | htruta, we'll do a few more rollcall votes | 18:25 |
| * dolphm votes htruta is here | 18:25 | |
| morganfainberg | before we trim any lists | 18:25 |
| htruta | morganfainberg, ayoung: cool | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | and i see you're here | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:25 |
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| htruta | thanks, dolphm lol | 18:25 |
| joesavak | delegated single-factor authentication. | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | the next few topics are related | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Spec proposal freeze L1, feature freeze L2 | 18:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec proposal freeze L1, feature freeze L2 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:26 | |
| morganfainberg | this is in line with making the summit what our midcycle has been | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | push specs through | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | address design decisions | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | and give ourselves a lot more runway for code to land in Liberty | 18:26 |
| ayoung | Our batle cry is "check my spec or I'll wring your neck!" | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | especially being a slightly shorter cycle | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: we don't have hard dates for L1 and L2 yet do we? | 18:26 |
| henrynash | ayoung: ha! | 18:26 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: not yet | 18:27 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: there's some proposed dates on the ML | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, i think we have firm but not confirmed dates | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | most are around the last milestone with question marks iirc | 18:27 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: unless someone has a reason to object to the proposed dates | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: morganfainberg makes sense | 18:27 |
| joesavak | proposed sched: ( i looked it up so think y'all may be too): | 18:28 |
| joesavak | liberty-1: June 25th | 18:28 |
| joesavak | liberty-2: July 30th | 18:28 |
| joesavak | liberty-3: September 3rd | 18:28 |
| joesavak | final release: October 15th | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | The goal here is to keep the "new" API impacting features to a short ~5 item list. | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | so things like Reseller, Policy refactor, tokenless auth | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | all on the proposed list. | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | but i want to keep this list small so we can focus on stability, performance, and testing | 18:29 |
| henrynash | and can we lay on this an approximate mid-cyle date (want to make sure I’m not moving house again)? | 18:29 |
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| henrynash | myabe around 2nd week of July? | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i am hopeing we can avoid a midcycle | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, to be honest | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | an in-person one that is | 18:29 |
| henrynash | really? | 18:29 |
| topol | will we be doing a midcycle meetup (as I make reservations to travel to Austin next week..) | 18:29 |
| bknudson | I'll just have to hang out on the riverwalk for no reason. | 18:29 |
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| gyee | I heard Vegas have better conference rooms | 18:30 |
| ayoung | Westford | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | i'd rather people travel to other midcycles and focus on getting initiatives like "openstack working with V2 disabled" | 18:30 |
| henrynash | I vote for a midcycle | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | there's pretty good saxophone music down there... | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | than travel. | 18:30 |
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| raildo | gyee, or in Rio, in Brazil :D | 18:30 |
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| gyee | ++ for Rio | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | but if everyone wants a mid cycle, i'll start doing the legwork to get space | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | because i'd like to start that now | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | Midcycle at henrynash 's new house! | 18:31 |
| joesavak | perhaps midcycle topic for next meeting? We can combine with horizon/oslo groups? | 18:31 |
| henrynash | ok,,,,,sure….by the coast…yep, lay it on | 18:31 |
| topol | Im scared not to do one in person. Those are quite productive | 18:31 |
| ayoung | joesavak, that would be cool | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, sure. lets do PDX, SEA, or California though :P | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, to be fair i am aiming to *not* do it in SAT if we do it. | 18:32 |
| joesavak | good w/me | 18:32 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, let's get you to NYC | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | Boston could also be on the list. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | so sounds like people like midcycles. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | We could certainly host | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | ok i'll start finding a venue | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | i'll put a ML topic out | 18:32 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: ftr, the hp chelsea office worked out well for us :) | 18:32 |
| stevemar | they are very useful | 18:32 |
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| jamielennox | hawaii is still US | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | we will talk more next week on it | 18:33 |
| ayoung | I know that other teams have had midcycyles here | 18:33 |
| dstanek | Boston++ | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | but we'll confirm it all before the summit if at all possible | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | jamielennox: ++ | 18:33 |
| amolock | + Austin | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | amolock, sorry i veto texas for this one for keystone | 18:33 |
| rodrigods | anywhere that I can get sponsored to go :) | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | amolock, we've done texas the last few times. | 18:33 |
| amolock | because it's the best | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, and i'll make sure to get the right letters in place for you guys to come up. | 18:33 |
| raildo | :D | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, remind me on that though ok? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, as strange as it sounds to say it, I bet we could get space at the Microsoft NERD center in Cambridge | 18:33 |
| topol | Boston or Westford? There *is* a difference | 18:34 |
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| rodrigods | morganfainberg, ++ thanks! | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, next meeting we will go more in detail | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | and line up options. | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll send out some emails this week. | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | so i have some options. | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | anyway. | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg schedule midcycle arrangements | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-priority-specs | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | please fill out this etherpad so we can confirm our ~5ish features for next cycle | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | sow e can get to work on specs | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | this is for "new" API impacting features | 18:36 |
| bknudson | REST API? | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | tests, ABI definitions, tech debt paydown, performance, etc | 18:36 |
| geoffarnold | drop dead date for this? | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | those are separate | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: what about specs that focus on refactoring and cleanup? | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yes REST API. | 18:36 |
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| rodrigods | morganfainberg, sometimes there are features that need to be split into more than one spec | 18:37 |
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| rodrigods | HMT, for example: hmt, improvements and recursive deletion | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, reseller is "new" | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, recursive deletion would be minor or part of reseller | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | for example | 18:38 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:38 |
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| raildo | morganfainberg, and we intend to create a spec for dual scoped token | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | just keep in mind i really want to keep the feature count low this cycle | 18:39 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, so we keep this part of reseller? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | so we can really really make the rest of the stuff we have solid | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, i think it's fair to say it's part of the reseller spec or subordinate to reseller | 18:39 |
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| raildo | morganfainberg, ok | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, it's primary use would be in a reseller context, right? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | we will circle up on this next meeting and get some direction | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | please tag "new" features that are small as (minor) | 18:41 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, yes, but we need to create a new spec to discuss this (or discuss at the summt and we can create just a BP) | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | as the person with the pink text has done | 18:41 |
| geoffarnold | I'm assuming that all the Service Federation will be off in its own Stackforge project, so the focus should be on Keystone features (if any) absolutely needed to enable it. | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, yeah | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, it may live under keystone long term, but i'd like that to be outside of the main tree | 18:42 |
| ayoung | tempted to move token constraints under dynamic policy | 18:42 |
| gyee | geoffarnold, you have a wiki/link for service federation? | 18:42 |
| geoffarnold | Me too. For asynchrony | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, focus on doing that "well" vs in the context of "within keystone's process space" | 18:42 |
| ayoung | they are aseparate, but it would be on policy to enforce....that make sense? | 18:42 |
| rodrigods | amakarov, add your spec there! | 18:42 |
| geoffarnold | Coming in a day or two | 18:42 |
| rodrigods | amakarov, maybe in the second session | 18:42 |
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| amakarov | rodrigods, ok | 18:43 |
| geoffarnold | Remind me... is IdP per domain currently in? | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, uhm.. | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, i think so | 18:43 |
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| morganfainberg | this will be circled up on next meeting. | 18:43 |
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| morganfainberg | geoffarnold, we can look to be sure between now and then. | 18:43 |
| geoffarnold | If it's not API-settable, I'll be pushing that. Thanks | 18:43 |
| ayoung | geoffarnold, what do you mean? We can do it in the mapping file | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | 2 more topics | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | got to keep it moving :) | 18:44 |
| geoffarnold | offline then | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Summit sessions | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | Keystone (fishbowl) 4 (hacksessions) 8 (½-day friday meetups) 2 | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | this is our current allocation | 18:45 |
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| dolphm | so, full day friday? | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | i'm asking for 1 more fishbowl...but there is 1 left.. so we probably wont get it | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | this is why i wanted to push so hard for keystone's summit to be more like our midcycle | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | we have a lot of time for this stuff this time around :) | 18:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we are going to need both | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | i also tried to keep our pre-set allocations light so we can get to other sessions with other projects | 18:46 |
| ayoung | especially with the feature freeze, we need the midcycyle to approave essential features | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | making sure other projects don't go off into the weeds with identity/auth/etc is an important part of what we do. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, the other reason to move FF to L-2 is that if something slips, we have all of L3 to catchup | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but we wont be piling every feature in on L-3 like we did with kilo | 18:47 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | with no extra runway | 18:47 |
| topol | which projects moved to using Keystone V3 this cycle? | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, the goal is all projects work with v2 disabled | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | we can worry about other V3 support things after that is achieved | 18:48 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we need to beat up the puppet and ansible guys on that, too | 18:49 |
| topol | cool | 18:49 |
| joesavak | remove the requirement for auth in all the projects, and you can run with v2 disabled. ; ) | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, 1st step: devstack works that way. | 18:49 |
| geoffarnold | I'm proposing a Federation session as part of the Cross-project area. We can use some of that to discuss reseller, which may take pressure off our Keystone sessions. If you'd like this, please add to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 | 18:49 |
| raildo | geoffarnold, ++ | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, i want to move auth endpoints to /auth not /<version>/auth | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, there is a lot of detial i disucssed with jamielennox on this already | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, and just wire up the auth endpoints in the backend for compat | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, anyway | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, for later design discussions | 18:50 |
| joesavak | ah, interesting - yeah - want to dig in more there | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | last topic | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic NoSql backend | 18:51 |
| raildo | geoffarnold, and if you want, we can discuss later the reseller part for this design session | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | ajayaa, o/ | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | oh not here | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | #undo | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | Didn't we just remove all the nosql backends? | 18:51 |
| bknudson | I'm -1 on any new backends. | 18:51 |
| bknudson | I assume this is an identity backend. | 18:51 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg, what about Redis? :) | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yah was going to ask for more info | 18:51 |
| gyee | no swift backend then? :) | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, anyway | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | amakarov, i'd like all backend to eventually move out of the main tree | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | so we have clear dependency graphs | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | but different discussion | 18:52 |
| ayoung | amakarov, identity-no. Token-no. Others---show me the money | 18:52 |
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| gyee | heh | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | 8mins left | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | identity should be frozen as is...primarily sql, LDAP goes awayover time | 18:52 |
| ayoung | tokens become ephemeral thanks to fernet | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | revocations....welll, maybe there... | 18:53 |
| gyee | catalog? | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i actually see identity CRUD moving to it's own process with a conductor like interface to direct access. | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, and I don't disagree | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that way if someone wants to really double down on the CRUD interfaces for identity we let them. | 18:53 |
| * topol you'll have to pry LDAP from my cold dead Keystone hands :-) | 18:53 | |
| morganfainberg | topol, conductor-like interface would provide that | 18:53 |
| ayoung | topol, SSSD is the sournce man! | 18:53 |
| ayoung | source | 18:53 |
| joesavak | scim the identity crud interfaces and version with scim over time | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | or sssd | 18:54 |
| gyee | ayoung, SSSD can be per domain right? | 18:54 |
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| * topol Im just kidding. I know federation will usurp | 18:54 | |
| ayoung | gyee, sssd handles multiple domains | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, something like thart | 18:54 |
| joesavak | fart or that? can't tell.. | 18:54 |
| gyee | shart | 18:55 |
| topol | both? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, we have people who want a CRUD interface, i'm happy to oblige, but it doesn't need to be keystone's "openstack" endpoint | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, long term | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, that* | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | joesavak, also we can eliminate PII leaking into Openstack services that way | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | [another real win] | 18:55 |
| gyee | yah! | 18:55 |
| stevemar | yay | 18:56 |
| bknudson | http://www.simplecloud.info/ ? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | Pentium 2? | 18:56 |
| joesavak | yup - scim is ietf now https://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/ | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, good to know | 18:56 |
| topol | wow, I have heard SCIM mentioned for a while | 18:56 |
| bknudson | it's a like a rest interface to ldap | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, OMG. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's like keystone is a rest interface for a key-value-store...that doesnt do it very well. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 18:57 |
| bknudson | it's even got babs jansen. | 18:57 |
| * morganfainberg looks around for mordred and jeblair... "can we use toml for everything instead too?" | 18:57 | |
| * morganfainberg runs and hides. | 18:57 | |
| ayoung | #end meeting | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | ok i think we're done. | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | #coffee | 18:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 18:57:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-14-18.02.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-14-18.02.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-14-18.02.log.html | 18:58 |
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| jeblair | morganfainberg: nicely done -- my auto kickban policy for toml only applies to the #openstack-infra channel :) | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, ^_^ | 18:58 |
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| geoffarnold | thanks | 18:59 |
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| fungi | on time and everything! | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 19:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-07-19.03.html | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:01 |
| AJaeger_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pcrews | o/ | 19:01 |
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| yolanda | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | fungi: thanks for chairing the previous meeting | 19:01 |
| fungi | np | 19:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | any time | 19:01 |
| fbo | hello ! | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | clarkb migrate more jobs to swift log hosting | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| clarkb | I have not done that yet, worked with jhesketh on a plan for non log data in swift first | 19:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: does the plan have an etherpad? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | there is a stack of os-loganalyze changes to make that work much better that he pushed today | 19:03 |
| jeblair | that sounds important | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | ah | 19:03 |
| clarkb | anteaya: no, it was mostly in review | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I can get links | 19:03 |
| anteaya | k thanks | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107267/ starts there | 19:03 |
| fungi | do they use a common change topic? oh just that series | 19:04 |
| anteaya | if they have the enable_swift topic they should be discoverable | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | ya I can update the topics on them now | 19:04 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:04 |
| jeblair | zaro test gerrit 2.10 | 19:05 |
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| zaro | looks good. | 19:05 |
| fungi | it's running on review-dev now, yeah? | 19:05 |
| zaro | an issue we need to deal with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172534/ | 19:05 |
| zaro | yes, it's running on review-dev. | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/172534 | 19:06 |
| jeblair | aw bummer (re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172534/) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | right ^ concerns me because we intentionally installed from system packages to get security updates | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | and bouncy castle is the one that is most likely to haev important security updates | 19:06 |
| zaro | I was testing replication and it seems like i'm gtetting the following error: org.eclipse.jgit.errors.TransportException: git@github.com:testproj1.git: reject HostKey: github.com | 19:06 |
| anteaya | zaro: does bouncy castle from packages work with gerrit 2.9? | 19:07 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:07 |
| zaro | yes, it does | 19:07 |
| * anteaya leans toward 2.9 | 19:07 | |
| jeblair | zaro: does 2.10 really not work with 1.49, or does 2.10 just say that it requires it? | 19:07 |
| fungi | are there specific features in 2.10 that use new functionality in later bc? | 19:08 |
| zaro | jeblair: no it doesn't. | 19:08 |
| zaro | jeblair: 2.10 does not work with 1.49 | 19:09 |
| fungi | i wonder what the best way would be to keep on top of bc security updates if we take this path | 19:09 |
| zaro | i've tested 2.10 and it seems like it will only work with 1.51 libs | 19:09 |
| * anteaya notes we are 3.5 weeks out from the gerrit upgrade | 19:09 | |
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| anteaya | was there anything specific we wanted in 2.10 that 2.9 doesn't give us? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | anteaya: yes, but we're likely to want to install 2.10 on trusty, so it's worth seeing what would be involved in solving this problem. | 19:10 |
| zaro | fungi: i don't know the answer to your question. | 19:10 |
| anteaya | I want close connection which works with both | 19:10 |
| anteaya | jeblair: ah right | 19:10 |
| fungi | the next ubuntu lts won't be until next spring | 19:11 |
| anteaya | but might there be a new ubuntu boucy castle package before the next lts release? | 19:11 |
| zaro | i tried looking for newer libs on backports but didn't find it. | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | Next northern spring? | 19:11 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: good point | 19:12 |
| anteaya | 12 months from now | 19:12 |
| fungi | the ubuntu maintainer for bc might be amenable to adding newer packages on trusty-backports | 19:12 |
| fungi | tchaypo: yes, my bad | 19:12 |
| fungi | next april | 19:12 |
| anteaya | do we have contact wtih the bouncy castle maintainer? | 19:12 |
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| zaro | this might be a possibilty: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/repo-discuss/2F6eeXZwABE | 19:13 |
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| fungi | looks like ubuntu vivid still only has 1.49 anyway | 19:13 |
| tchaypo | I'm assuming that doing our own back port is not something we want to consider | 19:13 |
| zaro | pretty new, so i don't think anybody has tried | 19:13 |
| fungi | debian experimental has 1.51 | 19:14 |
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| fungi | but jessie is releasing with 1.49 | 19:14 |
| fungi | my guess is the debian maintainer for it plans to put 1.51 in unstable once jessie releases, so it might appear in jessie-backports thereafter | 19:14 |
| fungi | ubuntu seems to just be importing from debian on this one | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | so our options are: (a) stick with 2.9 for now, (b) ask ubuntu for newer bc backport, (c) install from maven and keep an eye on it ourselves, (d) switch to debian, (e) hold 2.10 until next ubuntu lts | 19:15 |
| fungi | anyway, seems like it might be possible but would likely require some help | 19:15 |
| anteaya | #vote (a) and (b) | 19:15 |
| fungi | (d) implies also running packages from unstable or waiting for a backport there anyway | 19:15 |
| zaro | maybe c and wait until a is available? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, i'm assuming that the next lts would get the newer debian packport, but timing could slip | 19:16 |
| fungi | i'd be okay with c transitioning to b | 19:16 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I am happy with that too | 19:16 |
| fungi | like do it from maven and keep an eye on it while trying to get it into trusty-backports in a couple months from now | 19:16 |
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| zaro | i agree with fungi & clarkb | 19:17 |
| fungi | e.g. once it ends up in debian/testing | 19:17 |
| jeblair | zaro, tchaypo: we don't have a packaging build infrastructure, so we can't build one ourselves (still has the same update problem anyway), and we can't use the gerritforge packages directly if we want to be able to apply local patches (we'd still need our build infra to do that) | 19:17 |
| mordred | I'm more in line with c transitioning to b | 19:17 |
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| mrmartin | +1 for setup a packaging team | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | is it in vivid? | 19:18 |
| tchaypo | aren’t we working on that already? | 19:18 |
| tchaypo | SpamapS: no | 19:18 |
| zaro | what's the process to get b? | 19:18 |
| fungi | SpamapS: nope, they're importing from debian and it looks like the maintainer is holding it in experimental until jessie releases | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | so have ot wait for 'w' to open | 19:18 |
| mordred | tchaypo: it's on the list - no work has been done towards it yet- largely due to needing to clear the current priority efforts first | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | yeah debian and ubuntu frozen at the same time always sucks. ;) | 19:18 |
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| anteaya | let's clarify that 2.9 is still an upgrade, since we are currently running 2.8 | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #agreed install bouncy castle for gerrit 2.10 from maven, and see about adding it to trusty-backports after it appears in debian unstable | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anyone disagree with that ^ ? | 19:19 |
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| fungi | looks like it's group-maintained by the debian-java team so it probably will end up in testing within the next couple months | 19:19 |
| * fungi #agrees | 19:19 | |
| anteaya | it is more work, but it isn't me who will be doing it, so if that is what folks want | 19:19 |
| clarkb | +1 | 19:19 |
| zaro | +1 | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: zaro wrote the patch already, and it's less work than upgrading twice | 19:20 |
| fungi | installing gerrit 2.9 when 2.10 is tested working is more tech debt than keeping up with bc for a little while, in my opinion | 19:20 |
| fungi | so technically not less work | 19:20 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | I thought we already had a 2.9 branch that was working | 19:21 |
| anteaya | and was just experimenting with 2.10 | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | thank you for the work, zaro and fungi | 19:21 |
| jeblair | zaro: any other gerrit 2.10 things we need to look into/prepare for? | 19:21 |
| fungi | we do, but we're going to need to keep upgrading gerrit indefinitely, so installing 2.9 now is falling further behind the curve than we should probably aim for | 19:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: fair enough | 19:21 |
| fungi | given that we seem to get windows to upgrade gerrit only about every 6 months | 19:21 |
| zaro | jeblair: i wanted to make sure replicsation still works, so maybe someone can help with the error i mentioned above. | 19:22 |
| anteaya | true | 19:22 |
| jeblair | zaro: oh right | 19:22 |
| zaro | hostkey error | 19:22 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think you just need to have that host accept github's hostkey(s) | 19:22 |
| mordred | yah | 19:22 |
| clarkb | er | 19:22 |
| clarkb | zaro: ^ | 19:22 |
| zaro | other than that, i think just need to fix LP integration. | 19:22 |
| mordred | you know - we could probably put github's hostkey into puppet | 19:22 |
| clarkb | so start an ssh connection or use ssh-keyscan | 19:22 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 19:23 |
| mordred | it's a known quantity - and we should probably know about it via puppet when it changes | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | zaro: can you accepting the host key and grab an infra-root if that still doesn't work? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: agreed, but i think we can make puppeting that be something outside the critical path for the gerrit upgrade | 19:23 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:23 |
| jeblair | zaro: what's broken with lp integration? | 19:24 |
| zaro | jeblair: not sure what that means, but can follow up with an infra-root to flush out | 19:24 |
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| zaro | jeblair: jeepyb says it doesn't know about change-owner | 19:24 |
| fungi | zaro: yeah, i can help you after the meeting | 19:24 |
| hashar | a bit late but o/ Hello | 19:24 |
| zaro | i thought that was fixed a while ago, but i see the error in the gerrit log | 19:24 |
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| fungi | jeepyb's gerrit hook processing will just need a patch to accept that parameter if it exists but not depend on it existing | 19:25 |
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| fungi | there are a few others already in there, i can show you if necessary | 19:25 |
| zaro | anyways that LP issue is probably not a big deal. | 19:25 |
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| zaro | np, i've done that before (i think) | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | cool, thanks! | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #topic Schedule next project renames | 19:26 |
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| mordred | jhesketh: I think you're joining EARLY | 19:26 |
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| jhesketh | Heh (yay 5am) | 19:27 |
| anteaya | gotta love it | 19:27 |
| jeblair | so there are 11 projects that want to rename, 10 non-attic ones | 19:27 |
| jeblair | all 10 are going from stackforge to openstack | 19:27 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: don't approve more projects into the big tent in the tc ;) | 19:27 |
| jeblair | AJaeger_: i want to move all of them and then stop adding things to stackforge, but we'll talk about that some other time :) | 19:28 |
| AJaeger_ | or shall we wait for more to come before changing? | 19:28 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: that works as well... | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger_: yeah, i think it's reasonable to try to batch them since we expect a lot | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | my only two time contraints are I will be in seattle thursday not in front of a computer if doctor gives ok and I will be busy on the 25th and 26th | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | otherwise I can likely be around to help | 19:29 |
| fungi | this weekend is pretty bad for me. races on both saturday and sunday | 19:29 |
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| * mordred has a todo list item to write an ansible playbook we can try to use for one of these renames ... has not done it yet | 19:30 | |
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| jeblair | also, we are in the RC phase... we should probably either do it this friday, or wait for the release. | 19:30 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I'm fine with this friday | 19:30 |
| fungi | yeah, i can do friday | 19:31 |
| anteaya | I'm around this friday | 19:31 |
| zaro | would it be appropriate to schedule the gerrit db migration with this? | 19:31 |
| anteaya | but not much help with renames | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so proposal: renames friday april 17 us afternoons, next renames (if needed) during the migration | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | "afternoon"; not plural | 19:32 |
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| fungi | the utf-8 table update? we'll need to time the database export/transform/import for this dataset since it's largeish. just so we know how much extra outage we'll need | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: I'm fine with your proposal | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | has utf8 process been tested with production data? | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: wfm | 19:33 |
| zaro | i believe it takes 1 hr for the process. | 19:33 |
| zaro | that's what i remember but can make sure if you like. | 19:33 |
| fungi | zaro tested it on a copy of our production database and spot-checked the results, i think he said? | 19:33 |
| zaro | fungi is correct | 19:34 |
| fungi | i know i provided him with access to a copy of the db anyway and he made success noises a little while later | 19:34 |
| jeblair | do we want to do that on friday, or wait for the upgrade for that? | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | (that would make friday a 1.5 hour outage) | 19:35 |
| * jhesketh wonders what a success noise is... | 19:35 | |
| * anteaya too | 19:35 | |
| anteaya | wait for upgrade | 19:35 |
| zaro | i prefer 2 seperate steps in case we need to debug errors | 19:35 |
| fungi | i might be nice to have that done this week and baking for a few weeks prior to the upgrade, just so we can tell if one introduces a subtle problem and not have to untangle which it was | 19:35 |
| zaro | yeah, baking is the word | 19:36 |
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| fungi | raw bugs are so much less palatable than baked bugs | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | #agreed schedule a 2-hour outage for friday april 17 for project renames and utf8 conversion | 19:37 |
| mordred | if trove supports replication now - there is a cleverer way to do the operation without resorting to 1.5 hour downtime | 19:38 |
| anteaya | fungi: I hear eating crickets are quite the thing | 19:38 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm more of a fan of an announced and planned outage than a clever but untested alternative | 19:38 |
| fungi | which itself could turn into a lengthy unplanned outage ;) | 19:39 |
| cinerama | some of us ate bugs during the seattle meetup :) | 19:39 |
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| mordred | which involves turning on replication, doing a dump, loading the dump into a slave, stopping replication on the slave, performing the data transformation, turning replication back on so that it's caught up, and then the actual migration involves stopping incoming data to the master, letting teh slave lag become zero, and swap the two | 19:39 |
| jeblair | how about 2200 utc for friday? | 19:39 |
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| fungi | cinerama: i eat bugs constantly. the ocean here is full of them | 19:39 |
| mordred | I'm not saying we should do it right now | 19:39 |
| fungi | 2200 sounds great | 19:39 |
| anteaya | jeblair: I'm up | 19:39 |
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| mordred | but we should, for future things, test such a process | 19:39 |
| mordred | so taht we can use it | 19:39 |
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| mordred | because it's the standard way to do long mysql transformations | 19:39 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send announcement for april 17 2200 utc 2-hour outage for renames and utf8 conversion | 19:40 |
| jeblair | mordred: or we can try to never do a transform again :) | 19:40 |
| fungi | i like the second plan | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | have we scheduled a time for the 2.10 upgrade? | 19:40 |
| mordred | jeblair: sure. avoiding maintanence is always the best way to make sure the plan for maintanence is solid ;0 | 19:40 |
| hashar | good luck with utf-8 conversion :/ | 19:40 |
| anteaya | jeblair: just a date so far I think | 19:40 |
| mordred | hashar: thanks! | 19:40 |
| clarkb | jeblair: may 9th? | 19:41 |
| hashar | Wikimedia Gerrit has been utf-8 since day 1 iirc | 19:41 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: and I don't recall there has been an post to the ml yet | 19:41 |
| anteaya | clarkb: that is the date I am planning for | 19:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: okay, you have convinced me it is worthwhile for you to write up and test your alternative. thank you. | 19:41 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, i think we did decide on that date... did we pick a time? | 19:42 |
| anteaya | I don't recall a time | 19:42 |
| clarkb | neither do I | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I vote for >=9am PDT | 19:42 |
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| fungi | roughly how long do we think we need for the upgrade? | 19:42 |
| anteaya | that is 1600 utc or later, I believe | 19:43 |
| zaro | +1 | 19:43 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I shall add it to my list | 19:43 |
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| * anteaya has no answer to fungi's question | 19:43 | |
| jeblair | zaro: what do you think? | 19:44 |
| zaro | 30 mins | 19:44 |
| jeblair | just install the new stuff, and, what, run a reindex? | 19:44 |
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| zaro | opps reindex takes about 30mins | 19:45 |
| fungi | well, keep in mind we need time for all the steps to be performed, and then to test it out to make sure it's sane, and then to _undo_ the upgrade and double-check it on the off-chance that something goes horribly wrong | 19:45 |
| jeblair | zaro: where are the steps? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | there was an etherpad, right? | 19:45 |
| zaro | let me look | 19:45 |
| zaro | yikes it looks horrible: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.9-upgrade | 19:46 |
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| zaro | opps refresh fixed it | 19:46 |
| fungi | so my guess, if the upgrade steps are 30 minutes and the reindex is 30 minutes that we need a bare minimum of 2 hours planned outage, and we should probably inflate that so we have breathing room | 19:46 |
| jeblair | i'm just guessing we need a reindex | 19:46 |
| anteaya | fungi: + | 19:47 |
| jeblair | yep it's in the steps | 19:47 |
| zaro | 2 hrs will be plenty. | 19:47 |
| jeblair | okay, so 4 hours in the announcement then :) | 19:47 |
| jeblair | ? | 19:47 |
| anteaya | agreed | 19:47 |
| zaro | i have a script ready anways, #link https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-upgrade | 19:48 |
| fungi | always add the scotty factor | 19:48 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send announcement for may 9 1600 utc 4-hour outage for 2.10 upgrade | 19:48 |
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| fungi | if you tell people 4 hours and have it done in 1, they'll be impressed. if you tell them 1 hour and take 2, they'll be annoyed | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | no-one ever gets upset when you don’t use the scotty time | 19:48 |
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| cinerama | +1 | 19:48 |
| jeblair | #topic Spec proposal - Integration tests for System-config Openstack_project using containers (fbo) | 19:49 |
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| fbo | Hello, yes I submitted this spec do you already read it ? | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | i have not reivewed this spec | 19:50 |
| * anteaya has not read the spec in question | 19:50 | |
| tristanC | The purpose of this specs/work is to be able to apply puppet modules in a test environment in order to check if services are properly configured | 19:50 |
| fbo | The idea is too improve integration test for openstack_project puppet module | 19:50 |
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| nibalizer | +1 on the idea | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | i need to review the implementation | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | yeah, it sounds pretty cool | 19:50 |
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| yolanda | +1 for the concept, yes | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I think we should do functional testing of the puppet modules first | 19:50 |
| jeblair | the other thing we should keep in mind is the module splits we're doing | 19:50 |
| clarkb | it will be easier to get started and fix many bugs that will be easier t odebug in that env | 19:50 |
| clarkb | then once we have that rolling work on integration testing | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | and that quite a bit of the openstack_project module will probably end up in the puppet-openstackci module | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | but i don't think we settled on how to test puppet-openstackci yet | 19:51 |
| anteaya | I'm a fan of testing, how critical is the 'using containers' bit in the meeting agenda topic? | 19:51 |
| tristanC | clarkb: though the end goal is to have integration test like: does a gerrit change trigger a test and does zuul report properly for example | 19:51 |
| asselin_ | fbo, http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 19:51 |
| fbo | Yes you are right ! that's the idea and after we can add more smoke tests to validate a deployment | 19:51 |
| nibalizer | so i banged on envassert, doesn't really seem like its for us | 19:51 |
| nibalizer | since its very tied to fabric | 19:51 |
| anteaya | like if we want to test with another non-container method, will that be considered? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | so maybe the same thing applies, but possibly just with a different module | 19:51 |
| clarkb | tristanC: yes I just think getting there now is harder than the other thing | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | tristanC: and it will be far more benefiicial in the near term and long term to do the functional testing soon | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | and we'd probably prefer to build that kind of testing out of ansible than fabric | 19:52 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i think it's a reasonable way to get a number of services installed on one host; i don't necessarily think we need to have 6 nodes spun up for one test | 19:52 |
| mordred | yah - expecially since the plan is to use ansible to deploy our servers with puppet | 19:52 |
| mordred | having the integration tests not do that seems like the wrong direction | 19:52 |
| anteaya | jeblair: that is fair, just wondering how integral that point is to the spec | 19:53 |
| anteaya | sounds like it is a large part | 19:53 |
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| fbo | One other main benefit of that spec is it will force us to remove more hardcoded values in manifests | 19:53 |
| jeblair | fbo: okay, it sounds like we generally think it's a good idea, we need to get into detials on spec review, and we also need to look at how it fits in with other methods of puppet testing | 19:54 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
| fungi | yep, no immediate objections | 19:54 |
| fbo | So making openstack_project module more reusable by allowing other wanting to build a CI | 19:54 |
| yolanda | +1 on that | 19:54 |
| clarkb | I really want to see functional testing with envassert first | 19:54 |
| fungi | if it comes with someone willing to work on implementation, all the better ;) | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | fbo: well the openstack_project module is designed to be not reusable | 19:55 |
| clarkb | we should learn from openstack and do this correctly | 19:55 |
| jeblair | fbo: make sure you've read http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: ++ | 19:55 |
| AJaeger_ | jeblair: regarding infra-manual: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138595/ is waiting for a final approval for some time - others wanted you to have a chance to review it. | 19:55 |
| jeblair | fbo: because that's where we're going, so we'll want to incorporate your ideas with that | 19:55 |
| anteaya | fbo: that was the effort of splitting all the modules out of it in january | 19:55 |
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| AJaeger_ | jeblair: oops, wrong channel. Sorry! | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | evaluating success of the puppet run is harder than picking a virt tech to run puppet on | 19:55 |
| fungi | clarkb: you disagree with nibalizer's analysis of envassert, or you just mean functional testing of individual modules in general? | 19:56 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, though it sounds like we need a followup conversation to figure out how to do that | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | fbo: please spend some time with asselin_ and nibalizer | 19:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: in general | 19:56 |
| clarkb | we don't have to use envassert | 19:56 |
| fbo | Ok so let's discuss more about the details via gerrit comments ? | 19:56 |
| clarkb | but asselin_ bsically has functional testing already | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | fbo: would be great to have your efforts with theirs | 19:56 |
| fbo | ok I'll do that ! | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | and I would hate to see that owrk die while we spin our wheels doing integration testing that would be easier if we just had functioanl tests first | 19:56 |
| fbo | nice glad you appreciate the idea | 19:56 |
| anteaya | fbo: testing is good | 19:57 |
| fungi | sounds like we should do both, and just need to work out prioritization then | 19:57 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I do not understand why envassert is important | 19:57 |
| anteaya | fbo: just sync up with ongoing puppet efforts | 19:57 |
| clarkb | mordred: its not | 19:57 |
| mordred | but we can take that out of meeting | 19:57 |
| mordred | clarkb: awesome | 19:57 |
| clarkb | mordred: functioanl testing is important | 19:57 |
| mordred | yes | 19:57 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fbo: yeah, let's look at both. we may end up needing to do similar things to determine success anyway | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | fbo: okay, thanks! | 19:57 |
| jeblair | #topic Antoine "hashar" Musso (can not attend) | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | hashar has his own topic! :) | 19:58 |
| hashar | actually around :) | 19:58 |
| mordred | nice! | 19:58 |
| hashar | will be short | 19:58 |
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| mordred | I approve of hashar | 19:58 |
| tchaypo | hashar lies in the topic! ;) | 19:58 |
| hashar | we are going to deploy Nodepool on Debian/Jessie | 19:58 |
| hashar | and at wikimedia we use debian packages so I am packaging nodepool \o/ | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | that's wonderful! and terrifying! : ) | 19:58 |
| hashar | we have a bunch of debian developers internally so that helps | 19:58 |
| hashar | that said I noticed a change in nodepool that change one of the requirement ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170289/ ) | 19:59 |
| jeblair | i can tag nodepool | 19:59 |
| hashar | could use a new tag | 19:59 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:59 |
| hashar | and I am not sure what is the usual policy when people change requirements.txt files | 19:59 |
| jeblair | hashar: do you need zuul tagged too? | 19:59 |
| jeblair | hashar: i'm not sure i've tagged it in a very, very, very, long time | 19:59 |
| hashar | a zuul minor tag would be nice as well | 19:59 |
| mordred | hashar: you are aware of the upcoming shade patches for nodepool, yeah? | 19:59 |
| fungi | yeah, the nodepool 0.0.1 tag is pretty ancient | 19:59 |
| hashar | mordred: what is it ? | 20:00 |
| fungi | we should also tag a few other things, bit no need to take up meeting time on those | 20:00 |
| hashar | yeah we can follow on list | 20:00 |
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| hashar | I am going to package zuul for debian/jessie as well :) | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | hashar: thanks, as always! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | and thanks everyone else | 20:00 |
| jeblair | maybe next meeting, we'll talk about our priority efforts :) | 20:00 |
| hashar | so if you guys could tag zuul/nodepool before huge changes land in. That would be nice :) | 20:00 |
| hashar | hehe | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 20:01:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-14-19.00.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-14-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-14-19.00.log.html | 20:01 |
| hashar | just in time thanks! | 20:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: o/ | 20:01 |
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| mikal | Hi | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 20:01 |
| * annegentle waves | 20:01 | |
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| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| thingee | jgriffith: it's a wiki. you're welcome to improve. | 20:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
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| zehicle_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:02 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | annegentle, mordred, vishy, jaypipes : around ? | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 20:03:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| annegentle | \o/ on tippie toes | 20:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #topic Asking permission to dedicate the Kilo release to the memory of Chris Yeoh | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Asking permission to dedicate the Kilo release to the memory of Chris Yeoh (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| ttx | So... In the release announcement I was personally planning to dedicate the Kilo release to the memory of Chris (something like "I'd like to dedicate...") | 20:03 |
| ttx | But if the Technical Committee agrees, we can formally dedicate this release (and therefore use "the Kilo release is dedicated to..." in announcement *and* release notes) | 20:03 |
| mikal | I would like to see this happen | 20:04 |
| ttx | How does that sound ? | 20:04 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:04 |
| sdague | ttx: +1 | 20:04 |
| anteaya | ++ | 20:04 |
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| russellb | +1 | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | +2 | 20:04 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:04 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:04 |
| annegentle | sounds great | 20:04 |
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| thingee | +1 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 20:04 |
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| * jhesketh likes this as an onlooker | 20:04 | |
| * dansmith does too | 20:04 | |
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| sdague | ttx: probably worth a roll call vote just to make it official and in the minutes | 20:04 |
| ttx | That will probably let the Foundation staff prepare somethign on the website too | 20:04 |
| ttx | ok, startvoting | 20:05 |
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| jeblair | ttx: ++ | 20:05 |
| annegentle | +1 | 20:05 |
| ttx | #startvote Should the Kilo release be dedicated to the memory of Chris Yeoh? Yes, No, Abstain | 20:05 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should the Kilo release be dedicated to the memory of Chris Yeoh? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 20:05 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:05 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| mikal | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| sdague | #vote Yes | 20:05 |
| jeblair | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| annegentle | #vote Yes | 20:05 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:05 |
| ttx | #vote Yes | 20:05 |
| * ttx hopes the vote system is case-sensitive | 20:05 | |
| ttx | insensitive I mean | 20:06 |
| mordred | #vote Yes | 20:06 |
| sdague | we'll find out in an minute | 20:06 |
| devananda | #vote yes | 20:06 |
| ttx | ok 30 more seconds | 20:06 |
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| ttx | #endvote | 20:07 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should the Kilo release be dedicated to the memory of Chris Yeoh?" Results are | 20:07 |
| openstack | Yes (11): ttx, devananda, annegentle, jeblair, russellb, sdague, jgriffith, mikal, mordred, dhellmann, markmcclain | 20:07 |
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| ttx | awesome, the vote bot is with us | 20:07 |
| mordred | woot | 20:07 |
| sdague | \o/ | 20:07 |
| jgriffith | yay vote-bot | 20:07 |
| devananda | nice | 20:07 |
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| ttx | Awesome, thanks everyone | 20:07 |
| ttx | #topic Adding Mistral Workflow Service to OpenStack | 20:07 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/170225 | 20:07 |
| ttx | I think... it fits the requirements. | 20:08 |
| ttx | My only gripe was about the fragility due to a low bus factor, but that is certainly better described as a team tag (team:bus-factor ?) | 20:08 |
| ttx | Thoughts ? | 20:08 |
| sdague | I like bus-factor as a tag :) | 20:08 |
| * jgriffith is sitting this one out as he doesn't quite get the project | 20:08 | |
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| russellb | yeah, i had been meaning to define something around team size ... haven't gotten to it yet | 20:08 |
| sdague | so, wasn't there also some recent ML thread about the fact that this and murano can't coexist on the same box | 20:08 |
| sdague | even though they are supposed to use each other? | 20:09 |
| mikal | Can we avoid the term bus-factor? | 20:09 |
| rakhmerov | hi everyone. I'm a PTL of Mistral and you can ask me questions if you have | 20:09 |
| russellb | yes | 20:09 |
| * anteaya wonders why we need a yaml based language when we have yaml | 20:09 | |
| ttx | jgriffith: I'd describe it as a basic openstack client programming language | 20:09 |
| ttx | combined with a cron | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | ttx: so I should clarify... I'm struggling to see the point :) | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | ttx: errr... value | 20:10 |
| mordred | so - I'm +1 | 20:10 |
| mordred | because there are people who like it | 20:10 |
| mordred | and it doesn't hurt anything | 20:10 |
| ttx | mordred: right | 20:10 |
| mordred | and I don't see any reason to deny it entry | 20:10 |
| devananda | is this (just) a service to run taskflow-as-a-service ? | 20:10 |
| sdague | jgriffith: so, same, but I'd still be +1, because apparently someone wants it | 20:10 |
| jgriffith | mordred: haha... yeah, I forget the low bar :) | 20:10 |
| russellb | i just posted the team diversity info to the review if anyone is interested | 20:10 |
| mordred | jgriffith: I'm just trying to remind everyone :) | 20:10 |
| devananda | russellb: thanks, looking | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | how is this different from heat's similar template thing? | 20:10 |
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| rakhmerov | devananda, no, it's not taskflow-as-a-service | 20:10 |
| mordred | dhellmann: does it matter? we want to encourage competition I hear | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | anteaya: because YAML doesn't describe how to run workflow, therefore you'll always need some way of interpreting the YAML | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | mordred: no, I'm just curious | 20:11 |
| mordred | kk | 20:11 |
| ttx | I think the Amazonomorphy for it would be Amazon SWF | 20:11 |
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| ttx | But then they have so many services :) | 20:11 |
| russellb | it's complementary to Heat IMO | 20:11 |
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| russellb | Heat might trigger a workflow defined in Mistral in response to some condition it's watching | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ah, cool | 20:12 |
| ttx | Yes, I spent some time looking into it and it feels complementary | 20:12 |
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| mordred | I have heard people say the thing russellb said | 20:12 |
| zaneb | russellb++ | 20:12 |
| zaneb | and also vice-versa | 20:12 |
| russellb | indeed | 20:12 |
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| mikal | So, what's a sample use case? | 20:13 |
| ttx | They also are unquestionably an OpenStack project | 20:13 |
| zaneb | so, e.g. Ceilometer alarm triggers a workflow, part of which may be hitting the autoscaling trigger in Heat | 20:13 |
| mikal | That might make this clearer for people\ | 20:13 |
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| ttx | mikal: they have plenty of use cases described on their wiki page | 20:13 |
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| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral | 20:14 |
| jeblair | sdague: it seems like they plan on fixing that during liberty cycle | 20:14 |
| zaneb | mikal: one I've heard a lot is: define a workflow that creates a Heat stack, uses the server in it to build an image, upload the image to Glance, then delete the stack again to free resources | 20:14 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, I'm +1, but I thought it was worth recording | 20:14 |
| jeblair | sdague: hopefully they'll adopt g-r...? | 20:15 |
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| annegentle | mikal: running payroll change jobs quarterly or at bonus time in your OpenStack cloud | 20:15 |
| mikal | annegentle: so, that's what I thought it was, but the wiki page doesn't seem to include those soprts of examples? | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: do we actually have adopting g-r as a requirement now? | 20:15 |
| mikal | annegentle: I was actually thiking video transcode for example | 20:15 |
| ttx | I see some value in it, and more importantly I don't see any drawback to having it | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | Ok... fair enough I suppose | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | the way I always put it is: Heat models nouns, Mistral models verbs. Both are important, and complementary :) | 20:16 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i don't think we do, but it seems like maybe they might want to | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | mikal: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral#Tasks_Scheduling_-_Cloud_Cron | 20:16 |
| ttx | Getting some network lag, so please proceed if I suddenly disappear | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: yeah | 20:16 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I don't think it's a requirement to be in the tent, but it probably is from a release perspective | 20:16 |
| * dhellmann waits for someone to propose a tag... | 20:16 | |
| jeblair | dhellmann: "Project must have no library dependencies which effectively restrict how the project may be distributed or deployed" that's the only thing mentioned as a requirement | 20:17 |
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| ttx | We have 8 YES at this point | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: yeah, and I think that's really about the GPL, not g-r | 20:17 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i think reading that to mean g-r would be an... expansive... reading of it... :) | 20:17 |
| devananda | ttx: 9 | 20:17 |
| ttx | I'll let the discussion continue for a bit but it already has enough for acceptance | 20:17 |
| sdague | dhellmann: honestly, it was mostly just a coordination issue between mistral and murano | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: yeah | 20:17 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yes, it's about (A)GPL | 20:18 |
| sdague | because we ran into that rstlib issue | 20:18 |
| sdague | really late in grizzly | 20:18 |
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| mordred | that was so much fun | 20:19 |
| ttx | really really late | 20:19 |
| annegentle | I think we need to acknowledge that increased integration actually hurts. | 20:19 |
| rakhmerov | as far as Murano and Mistral compatibility, it's being solved now and will be solved in 1-2 days | 20:20 |
| mordred | woot | 20:20 |
| ttx | OK, time to close it, unless someone has a definitive argument that (s)he thinks can sway voters completely | 20:20 |
| markmcclain | rakhmerov: cool | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | rakhmerov: ++ | 20:20 |
| sdague | ttx: moar rubber stamp! | 20:20 |
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| ttx | approved | 20:20 |
| ttx | jgriffith: more than "doesn't hurt" the philosophy is "it's already an openstack project" | 20:20 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | ttx: point taken | 20:21 |
| ttx | rakhmerov: welcome | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic More Defcore process discussion | 20:21 |
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| zehicle_ | o/ | 20:22 |
| zehicle_ | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/process/2015A.rst | 20:22 |
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| zehicle_ | mainly here to collect feedback and answer questions | 20:23 |
| ttx | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/process/2015A.rst | 20:23 |
| ttx | Last week we postponed the discussion until everyone had a chance to look into the proposed process | 20:23 |
| russellb | "A3. PTLs Recommend Changes to Designated Sections" | 20:23 |
| ttx | Personally I thought it was disconnected from the bylaws requirements (to build on top of the "tc-approved release") | 20:23 |
| ttx | And therefore I proposed the addition of wording to cover that, and it got merged: | 20:23 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/172417 | 20:23 |
| ttx | I don't have objections left | 20:23 |
| ttx | But you may have | 20:23 |
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| ttx | zehicle: you around? | 20:23 |
| hogepodge | ttx I'm here, and can try to answer any questions. | 20:23 |
| ttx | wow, we seem to have weird lag with the bot too | 20:23 |
| hogepodge | I'm secretary to the committee, but obvs not on the board (and it's a board committee) | 20:23 |
| russellb | I don't think the tech community should have to be responsible for defining that | 20:24 |
| zehicle_ | ttx, yes | 20:24 |
| russellb | that's what we spent lots of time going through last cycle | 20:24 |
| russellb | and declined to define | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: looking at the timing, I wonder if we'll have tests for all of the capabilities 3 months before the summit (in time to start the preliminary draft) -- I honestly don't know if we're stable enough at that point. How did that work out this cycle? | 20:24 |
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| ttx | zehicle: don't we essentially rather recommend changes to Capabilities than Designated Sections ? | 20:25 |
| ttx | (we as PTLs) | 20:25 |
| zehicle_ | the goal for DefCore is to be trailing. not having tests would be a reason to exclude it from consideration | 20:25 |
| russellb | basically, I think the TC and/or PTLs should be outside of this as much as possible | 20:25 |
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| zehicle_ | the point is to pick up things that are stable and adopted | 20:25 |
| russellb | with the only exception being defining the TC approved release | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | Crazy idea... runs the tempest tests same as in gate... done | 20:25 |
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| ttx | russellb: the way I understand it was inside a project, designated sections can be updated with PTLs opinion | 20:25 |
| zehicle_ | russellb, that's fine and we've tried to make it like that. still would like to have you either approve or agree to wave from sidelines | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: so no new features of kilo would be included until a later release? | 20:26 |
| sdague | dhellmann: the tests today are a pretty small subset of what's in tempest, so I think it's fine. Honestly if something's not getting tested 3 months before release, it's probably not a feature you want to stamp for trademark | 20:26 |
| ttx | different from TC listing projects from above | 20:26 |
| zehicle_ | dhellmann, yes, by definition | 20:26 |
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| dhellmann | zehicle_: ok, thanks | 20:26 |
| russellb | i don't think we should have to agree or approve to using a subset of the code | 20:26 |
| russellb | would it be better to submit a patch with my justification in commit message? | 20:26 |
| zehicle_ | dhellmann, in fact, we intentionally took out the release timing from the process. it's date specs now | 20:26 |
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| rockyg | sdague: ++ | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | russellb: that's the PTLs, right? not the TC? | 20:27 |
| zehicle_ | russellb, patches strongly encouraged. | 20:27 |
| zehicle_ | but want to be available to answer questions interactively too | 20:27 |
| russellb | dhellmann: "we" as the technical community / technical leadership more generally | 20:27 |
| zehicle_ | since we want to conclude discussions before we meet f2f in vancouver | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: makes sense, I was thinking we were trying to handle features for release X on this schedule, but it's really at most X-1 | 20:27 |
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| zehicle_ | dhellmann, yes. | 20:28 |
| rockyg | dhellmann: yes | 20:28 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:28 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: there was a dependency question I had, let me see if I can articulate | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: that might be clarified elsewhere, but if not maybe add a note? | 20:28 |
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| zehicle_ | the basic idea is to collect changes & new stuff 3 mos leading up to summits and then have user/vendor review for 3 months after | 20:28 |
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| dhellmann | zehicle_: I guess I was thrown off by the schedule being based on the summit, but I'll admit to reading this for the first time about an hour ago | 20:29 |
| sdague | remember the trigger point here isn't the leading edge either, it's not like having more features in newer openstack takes away your trademark | 20:29 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: (mikal too probably knows) | 20:29 |
| rockyg | new stuff = stuff that isn't currently in Defcore that lots of folks are using | 20:29 |
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| zehicle_ | annegentle, we found places where we had to choose an order of presentation - either way left you having to read ahead to get an asnwer | 20:29 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: if nova tests don't use image v2 api but it's a requirement of defcore, where do I find those tests to test that? | 20:29 |
| anteaya | zehicle_: might sound silly, but I'd like a defintion of the terms used in the Lead By table at the top, particularly Community | 20:29 |
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| zehicle_ | anteaya, we do have a lexicon in the repo | 20:30 |
| devananda | zehicle_: so in ~August, you would start looking at what was released in Kilo and, if certain features already had wide adoption, possibly propose those changes to the community in November | 20:31 |
| anteaya | zehicle_: I don't see an entry for Community: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/lexicon.rst though perhaps that is where it should go | 20:31 |
| zehicle_ | devananda, we'd look at the project as a whole. new features would be included in that | 20:31 |
| devananda | zehicle_: sorry, that should have ended with a ? | 20:31 |
| devananda | zehicle_: ok, gotcha | 20:31 |
| zehicle_ | anteaya, please add! | 20:31 |
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| mikal | annegentle: I think there is an assumption that defcore will provide tempest tests where they are missing | 20:31 |
| rockyg | annegentle: the tests are all listed in a json file, and categorized, so you look for the image v2 category | 20:31 |
| anteaya | zehicle_: I don't know what should go there | 20:31 |
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| mikal | annegentle: that's certainly what they've said to me in the past | 20:32 |
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| annegentle | mikal: ok | 20:32 |
| * ttx can testify the process to get changes in is rather straightforward :) | 20:32 | |
| vishy | o/ | 20:32 |
| vishy | sorry i’m late | 20:32 |
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| zehicle_ | mikal, no - defcore does not provide tests. we're limited to what;s there | 20:32 |
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| zehicle_ | we are currently discussion how to take tempests that are outside of tempest too | 20:32 |
| russellb | yeah, i'll just post my feedback as a patch, i think that'll be easier | 20:32 |
| zehicle_ | that's likely a hot topic post Vancouver | 20:32 |
| mikal | zehicle_: you have told me in the past that defcore would increase the level of tempest coverage. How can this be true if no tests are added? | 20:32 |
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| zehicle_ | russellb, +1 | 20:32 |
| zaneb | zehicle_: yeah, that's going to be important | 20:33 |
| rockyg | mikal: so if there are no image v2 tests, then that feature would be excluded from the current defcore definition | 20:33 |
| hogepodge | mikal add tests to tempest or elsewhere | 20:33 |
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| zehicle_ | mikal, we are creating _incentives_ to increase tests | 20:33 |
| devananda | zehicle_: this may be somewhat off topic, so feel free to table it if that's the case: how does moving tempest coverage into each projects' repo affect all this? | 20:33 |
| zehicle_ | we are not a technical group that can create tests - that's the community | 20:33 |
| mikal | So, what happens when nova removes a tempest test because the devs no longer care for it? | 20:33 |
| mikal | But its used in defcore? | 20:33 |
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| devananda | mikal: right. that's what I was about to ask | 20:33 |
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| annegentle | rockyg: I think it's that the compute test can't know what glance api it's using | 20:33 |
| hogepodge | mikal: I've done that with keystone so we can add identity to the defcore capablities. | 20:33 |
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| zehicle_ | devananda, we've been watching that and it's part of our discussion. the process is worded so that TEMPEST is not required | 20:33 |
| devananda | mikal, zehicle_: with the move to putting the test in each project's tree, we're delegating the responsibility to keep track of what tests defcore relies on to more people | 20:34 |
| zehicle_ | in fact, the board approves at the capability level. | 20:34 |
| zehicle_ | devananda, perhaps. | 20:34 |
| mikal | So this happened the other day right? | 20:34 |
| devananda | which also means more people who may not be tracking exactly what tests they shouldn't change / delete | 20:34 |
| mikal | The EC2 people wanted to remove a test as being silly, and we just had a quick chat on the dev list about it | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | mikal, devananda : if the tests are uniquely identified, we could possibly have a test that compares those ids with the defcore set and complains if the test is removed | 20:35 |
| mikal | We'd now have to check with the board before we did anything like that? | 20:35 |
| mikal | Just in case its used by defcore? | 20:35 |
| zehicle_ | devananda, true but there are more people consuming the tests against the guideline, so we're likely to find conflicts quickly | 20:35 |
| zehicle_ | mikal, no - that's covered in the process. | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: I'll bet you a beer we can delete them faster than you'll spot them | 20:35 |
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| anteaya | zehicle_: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173510/1 best I have right now | 20:35 |
| * devananda thinks dhellmann will win that | 20:35 | |
| zehicle_ | dhellmann, I'll buy you a beer if you can add them fater | 20:35 |
| rockyg | annegentle: if there is a problem with the defined tests, the vendors/community can contest them with their reasons why | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: :-) | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: the problem is that after the test is removed, it's too late to say "no, no, put that back!" | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | whatever code that test was checking might have changed in a way that the test would no longer pass | 20:36 |
| zehicle_ | dhellmann, if you remove it, then it's for a reason. we'll code | 20:36 |
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| zehicle_ | grrr. we'll cope | 20:36 |
| annegentle | hogepodge: is this the test list? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167620/1/2015.03/2015.03.required.txt | 20:37 |
| sdague | honestly, the tests that were added to the defcore list were limitted for a reason, as they really are the least likely to hit this as well | 20:37 |
| rockyg | dhellmann: not if the test was already identified. Since Defcore is trailing, and the test has been identified, it has at a minimum, a SHA that will always find it | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | zehicle_: sure. I think the real question is, how can we minimize friction on both sides of the question, though | 20:37 |
| sdague | I think this is an edge condition that 1 test per cycle might hit | 20:37 |
| sdague | at the most | 20:37 |
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| sdague | and, even that's kind of doubtful | 20:37 |
| devananda | zehicle_: is it reasonable to ask defcore team to provide a patch to the tests themselves that indicates they are used for defcore? | 20:37 |
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| hogepodge | annegentle: that's a filtered list of required tests based on the defcore list. It's meant to be fed directly to tempest to help run the tests. | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: it sounds like we've already had a case though, with the ec2 stuff mikal mentioned | 20:37 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: ec2 wasn't in the defcore list | 20:38 |
| zehicle_ | these are issues that will get resolved over time - anything that uses REAL TEST will have age issue. I'd rather have real tests | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ok, then I'm confused by mikal's comment | 20:38 |
| ttx | ok, we need to timebox this | 20:38 |
| sdague | it in no way triggered anything anyone is worried about | 20:38 |
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| rockyg | devananda: defcore is attaching labels to tests identified by defcore | 20:38 |
| annegentle | hogepodge: ok thanks | 20:38 |
| devananda | rockyg: perfect. then I think it's fine | 20:38 |
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| sdague | also, hogepodge is hanging out in #openstack-qa all the time and chatting with mtreinish a lot | 20:38 |
| ttx | If you have concerns with the wording, propose patches. If you have concerns about the process, maybe raise a thread on the defcore list | 20:38 |
| zehicle_ | devananda, we're putting them into a json file. I'm sure there's a way to automate the xref. | 20:38 |
| mikal | dhellmann: it was just an example | 20:38 |
| mtreinish | uh oh, my name popped up in a tc meeting | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ok, I read too much into it | 20:39 |
| sdague | there is lots of communication there now, so I am pretty confident it will be figured out reasonably | 20:39 |
| mikal | So, I'm actually not fussed | 20:39 |
| ttx | sdague: yes, they seem to make a lot of progress lately | 20:39 |
| mikal | If the agreement is that defcore will work out what to do when we change a tempest test to not meet their needs any more, then I am happy | 20:39 |
| zehicle_ | the process is more broad than the tests - happy to keep going on tests specifically; however, I wanted to make sure that the doc as a whole is considered | 20:39 |
| devananda | zehicle_: it sounds like rockyg is already on that. a test label (decorator) in the projects is the best way, IMO, to communicate to developers that "this test is relied upon by defcore" | 20:39 |
| mikal | Because when / if they complain in the future, I can point back here | 20:39 |
| ttx | mikal: heh | 20:40 |
| zehicle_ | devananda, not objecting. not owning at this point either | 20:40 |
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| hogepodge | mikal: we have a procedure for flagging tests in the current list, so we have a process for handling problems in flight. | 20:40 |
| devananda | zehicle_: as for the rest of that process doc, I haven't sat with it enough to digest the whole thing, but nothing else has jumped out at me yet | 20:40 |
| ttx | PSA: 5 more minutes and we'll move on | 20:40 |
| zehicle_ | mikal, if tempest met our needs today then I'd be a peace. it's not so your changes will hopefully improve things | 20:41 |
| hogepodge | mikal: like a test changes name, or breaks, for example. | 20:41 |
| zehicle_ | either way, we are already tracking moving tests out of tempest and discussing | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | mikal: also, that's part of the removal procedure for tempest, if it's important to defcore or someone else we don't remove it | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/Tempest-test-removal | 20:41 |
| rockyg | devananda: what hogpodge says. He's got the reviews for this stuff. I'll try and find the label one for you... | 20:41 |
| sdague | yeh, I honestly think the nuts and bolts have actually been pretty well sorted by hogepodge and mtreinish. And if there is a big explody somewhere, which I highly doubt, we can deal with it as an exception. | 20:42 |
| zehicle_ | we're talking on one point (tests) - please make sure that you read the doc as a larger whole too. | 20:42 |
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| ttx | sdague: ++ | 20:42 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: I'll be honest. I feel like it's another case of "commons" work that no one wants to own but everyone wants "the community" to do. There's also hand-waving after A6 -- how do missing get added? | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | sdague, mtreinish : sounds good -- I didn't realize you'd already been working on this. | 20:43 |
| devananda | zehicle_: any thoughts on the process when defcore + TC does not include any representative of a project to which the trademark is applied? | 20:43 |
| devananda | I dont think that's happened yet | 20:43 |
| devananda | but wondering if folks have thought about it | 20:43 |
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| devananda | *direct representative | 20:43 |
| ttx | devananda: the TC is not part of the process beyong the tc-approved release | 20:43 |
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| russellb | +1 | 20:43 |
| ttx | everythign else mentions PTL, no ? | 20:43 |
| zehicle_ | annegentle, I think the "communitiy" has a pretty strong, "we write and demand tests" mantra. | 20:44 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: I've read, re-read, gave input on the PTL portion and appreciate you adding. Just have to give that additional bit of process input. | 20:44 |
| zehicle_ | annegentle, but I'm inclined to agree we need to watch out for commons will do it | 20:44 |
| annegentle | zehicle_: we do have to try and see. | 20:44 |
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| zehicle_ | annegentle, my hope is that DefCore gives vendors incentive to add tests. | 20:44 |
| ttx | OK, we need to move on... | 20:44 |
| ttx | Thanks zehicle! | 20:44 |
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| zehicle_ | thanks everyone. happy to answer questions on the DefCore list or 1x1 too | 20:45 |
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| ttx | #topic Avoid "policy" in Congress description | 20:45 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/169480 | 20:45 |
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| ttx | Looks like we need to bikeshed a bit to make progress there | 20:45 |
| ttx | But we don't have that much time left in meeting to play | 20:45 |
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| ttx | jeblair, annegentle: could you discuss offline and come up with something that pleases you both ? | 20:45 |
| ttx | As long as it doesn't use policy I'm fine with it. | 20:46 |
| ttx | or "project" | 20:46 |
| ttx | or "core" | 20:46 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:46 |
| sdague | or middleware | 20:46 |
| jeblair | ttx: sure | 20:46 |
| jeblair | i don't actually care, just wanted to have something to bikeshed on | 20:46 |
| jeblair | i'll roll the dice again and see what comes up :) | 20:47 |
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| * rockyg thinks they should avoid community as well;) | 20:47 | |
| annegentle | sure - jeblair I just want a shorter service name so it can be written in a doc | 20:47 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project track at the Design Summit | 20:47 |
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| ttx | We have a number of proposals at: | 20:47 |
| ttx | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit?usp=sharing | 20:47 |
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| ttx | I'll include dhellmann and annegentle who volunteered from the TC as editors on that doc. Everyone else can add comments | 20:48 |
| devananda | ttx: is this spreadsheet the appropriate place to make such proposals? | 20:48 |
| ttx | no, that' sthe result sheet. | 20:48 |
| jeblair | ttx: i can't seem to edit that | 20:48 |
| ttx | The way to add is through the foirm | 20:48 |
| ttx | form | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | #link submit a session proposal http://goo.gl/forms/S69HM6XEeb | 20:48 |
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| russellb | ha @ nova and neutron "hug it out" | 20:48 |
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| ttx | All links were posted to ML and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Planning | 20:48 |
| mikal | russellb: heh, that's not going to take 50 minutes | 20:49 |
| ttx | the link dhellmann posted is to add an entry, and anyone can | 20:49 |
| * mestery is ready to hug | 20:49 | |
| sdague | yeh, I need to add a couple here | 20:49 |
| annegentle | heh extended hugs session | 20:49 |
| ttx | The question at this point is more.. what is missing | 20:49 |
| russellb | mikal: unless it was also used as the place to have the "next steps" conversation | 20:49 |
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| sdague | We really need to have a Service Catalog Standards conversation | 20:49 |
| annegentle | docs are in, that's all I care about (kidding) | 20:49 |
| ttx | There will be a discussion at the meeting next about it | 20:49 |
| * mikal will hug mestery, but it wont help | 20:49 | |
| annegentle | sdague: yes | 20:49 |
| mestery | lol | 20:49 |
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| mordred | mikal: I will throw chickens at you two while you hug | 20:50 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:50 |
| sdague | the js one I'm not sure fits for cross project | 20:50 |
| russellb | mestery: mikal planning to have a session in nova or neutron track on next steps? | 20:50 |
| ttx | At this point the goal is to collect as many ideas as possible, we'll merge and select them later (probably end of month) | 20:50 |
| mordred | sdague: YES TO SERVICE CATALOG STANDARDS | 20:50 |
| mikal | russellb: so I feel that the L Nova PTL does need to sit down with mestery and come up with a plan for what to do about this at the summit | 20:50 |
| mikal | russellb: but I think that can't be done until next week | 20:50 |
| mestery | mikal: ++ | 20:50 |
| russellb | k | 20:50 |
| russellb | i like what we did a couple cycles ago, the gap analysis action plan | 20:51 |
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| ttx | mikal/russellb/mestery: there is one time slot where neutron doesn't have anything and nova has a slot, ftr | 20:51 |
| russellb | sounds like it's time to have another detailed action plan like that | 20:51 |
| devananda | mikal: we should also talk about nova + ironic (and other clustered hypervisors). do you feel that's better in the nova track, though? | 20:51 |
| mikal | Well, I think we need to include actual operators more this time, I think that's where we missed last time | 20:51 |
| russellb | the last one got us much closer | 20:51 |
| mestery | ttx; I'm hoping to use taht one as the track :) | 20:51 |
| mestery | mikal: ++ | 20:51 |
| mikal | devananda: I think that's a nova track thing | 20:51 |
| devananda | mikal: ack | 20:52 |
| sdague | ttx: can you get the Cloud Service Federation people to explain more? That is terribly vague to me | 20:52 |
| mordred | mikal, devananda: I'd like to lurk/heckle that one | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | devananda, mikal : yeah, in the past we've said that cross-project needs to mean more than 2 projects | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: I stopped readin at "supply chain" | 20:52 |
| mikal | mordred: you're welcome to | 20:52 |
| mordred | sdague: its about Federating your Cloud Service | 20:52 |
| mordred | mikal: awesome! | 20:52 |
| sdague | mordred: so... stackforge/os-policy-core-middleware is it? | 20:52 |
| dougwig | sdague: /core/maintainer/ | 20:53 |
| devananda | dhellmann: so physical network support will involve ironic + nova + neutron. I'll toss that one on the form | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | sdague: stackforge/python-os-policy-core-middleware | 20:53 |
| mordred | sdague: stackforge/python-os-policy-core-middleware-tenant | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ok. That might still just fall under team-specific integration, vs. "how should openstack approach problems generally" | 20:53 |
| ttx | sdague: could you add a comment on that cell saying it's vague ? I'll reach out to them | 20:53 |
| sdague | ttx: I don't have edit perms | 20:54 |
| ttx | You have comment perms trough | 20:54 |
| ttx | though | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | sdague: added as a comment | 20:54 |
| sdague | ah, ok | 20:54 |
| ttx | or at least you should have | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | oops, s/added/add it/ | 20:54 |
| devananda | sdague: I'd love to see a session on "how all the projects should be testing in the big tent" - though honestly, that probably should be a presentation, not a discussion :) | 20:54 |
| anteaya | does anyone want to have a session on how hard it is to deploy openstack for small deployments? | 20:54 |
| ttx | sdague: I'm fine with adding you as editor if you pledge your firstborn and some of your time at the end of the month to the cause | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: that sounds like an ops summit session? | 20:54 |
| russellb | or fuel, or tripleo, or ... | 20:55 |
| anteaya | really? | 20:55 |
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| sdague | ttx: well, I won't give up my first born, but you can have some time | 20:55 |
| ttx | sdague: wait until you have to and you'll beg me to take them | 20:55 |
| ttx | two* | 20:56 |
| ttx | OK, we need to move on | 20:56 |
| jogo | what are the criteria for a session being picked? | 20:56 |
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| ttx | jogo: needs to be cross-project, and needs to be a problem the TC thinks is worth the time | 20:56 |
| sdague | jogo: they look like they will be helpful to solving real problems in OpenStack, and involve > 2 projects | 20:56 |
| ttx | much like how PTLs select sessions for their own track | 20:57 |
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| ttx | ok, moving on quickly | 20:57 |
| jogo | shouldn't these also be things that we have not been able to resolve on the ML already as well? | 20:57 |
| russellb | fwiw i think 2 project sessions should be considered fair game | 20:57 |
| russellb | just lower priority | 20:57 |
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| ttx | jogo: right, worth the F2F time | 20:57 |
| devananda | jogo: it sounds like some folks are pushing those towards individual project tracks | 20:57 |
| ttx | #topic Projects list housekeeping | 20:57 |
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| sdague | russellb: yeh, honestly, I'd make an exception for the nova/neutron path forward thing because it's one of the top ops blockers | 20:57 |
| russellb | last time i think some 2 project sessions would have been better uses of time | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | is it too early to be having sessions about defining and assigning tags to projects? | 20:57 |
| russellb | sdague: that's the main one i had in mind :) | 20:57 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: you can propose it. Not too early | 20:58 |
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| ttx | Two repository additions that have their PTL's +1 already. Will approve tomorrow unless someone -1s by then: | 20:58 |
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| ttx | * Add devstack-vagrant to QA (https://review.openstack.org/171677) | 20:58 |
| ttx | * Add openstack-dev/specs-cookiecutter (https://review.openstack.org/170946) | 20:58 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:58 |
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| ttx | We can continue brainstorming topics in the remaining 2 min | 20:58 |
| ttx | Any other topic / question ? | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | I'll be off the grid Apr 17-28th | 20:59 |
| ttx | Early questions on the Puppet/OpenStack and MagnetoDB applications ? | 20:59 |
| jogo | I took a look at http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html recently | 20:59 |
| jogo | and tags are hard to use for downstream folks | 20:59 |
| anteaya | ttx are we also going to allow in salt/chef/ansible because where puppet goes they all follow | 20:59 |
| jogo | how do I find a set of projects that have the following tags etc. | 20:59 |
| ttx | jogo: openstack.org/software is supposed to be overhauled | 21:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: looks like the name is the biggest hurdle is what to name the openstack puppet "project" | 21:00 |
| ttx | jogo: and provide search/navigation | 21:00 |
| jogo | ttx: that will include tags? | 21:00 |
| ttx | jogo: yes | 21:00 |
| russellb | we should have someone design badges for each tag | 21:00 |
| russellb | that would make the web site fun, heh | 21:00 |
| sdague | jeblair: borkbork is alway an option | 21:00 |
| ttx | jogo: you're free to come up with your own viz though if you don't like that idea | 21:01 |
| devananda | russellb: i read that as "have someone design badgers" | 21:01 |
| mikal | I would wear a "single point of failure" badge to the summit | 21:01 |
| jogo | ttx: ahh, will that page end up linking back to governance/tags etc? | 21:01 |
| devananda | which I like more than badges | 21:01 |
| jeblair | russelb: and keep a graphic designer in business | 21:01 |
| russellb | devananda: sure, that too! | 21:01 |
| annegentle | SPOF tshirts | 21:01 |
| jeblair | sdague: ++! | 21:01 |
| russellb | jeblair: right, and that's always a nice thing | 21:01 |
| ttx | jogo: should do yes | 21:01 |
| ttx | and.. we are out of time | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 21:01:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-14-20.03.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-14-20.03.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-14-20.03.log.html | 21:01 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: do you have your courtesy ping list handy for the cross-project meeting? | 21:01 |
| ttx | yes | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 21:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:02 |
| tpatil | HI | 21:02 |
| ttx | courtesy PTL ping: devananda, dhellmann, morganfainberg, notmyname, eglynn, nikhil_k, thingee, asalkeld, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov, mikal: around ? | 21:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| mestery | i/ | 21:02 |
| fungi | howdy | 21:02 |
| mestery | o/ even | 21:02 |
| notmyname | hello | 21:02 |
| devananda | \o | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks | 21:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 21:02 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:02 |
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| ttx | I'll be around, watching swift patches in gate | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:02 |
| dstanek | hello | 21:02 |
| etoews | hi | 21:02 |
| bknudson | ?? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | cool, let's get started | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Any Kilo release red flags ? | 21:03 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:03 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 21:03 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | are there any issues that would delay release candidates, require new candidates, delay branching, etc.? | 21:03 |
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| mikal | I think we'll need a RC2 in nova | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | gordc/eglynn are looking at some things with the ceilometer client | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | swift is waiting on the last patches to make it through the gate right now | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172573/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | when that lands, we'll have an RC | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: cool | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | ttx and I are going to be working on the requirements repo branch tomorrow | 21:04 |
| ttx | we'll need RC2s for everyone | 21:05 |
| mikal | dhellmann: nova has two critica bugs marked as kilo-rc-potential at the moment | 21:05 |
| ttx | (maybe not swift) | 21:05 |
| bknudson | you cappin' 'em cap'n? | 21:05 |
| ttx | mikal: we plan to open a RC2 window for nova at end of week | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ok | 21:05 |
| ttx | as discussed with john | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah | 21:05 |
| mikal | ttx: can we announce that on the list so people know the timeline for the yet-to-be-fixed bugs? | 21:05 |
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| ttx | mikal: the trick is.. as soon as you mention a RC2 publicly people stop testing RC1. Go wonder | 21:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:06 |
| fungi | according to https://status.rackspace.com/ the gate weather could be a little unfavorable, so just a heads up | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | fungi: thanks | 21:06 |
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| fungi | since i know many of you are waiting for final patches to land before tagging things | 21:06 |
| ttx | mikal: you can say that it would be better to fix known issues by EOW so that they can be backported back to any RC2 that might be coming though | 21:06 |
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| thingee | ttx: that would help with the potential rc bug we talked about in 1on1 for cinder. | 21:07 |
| thingee | ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1421492 | 21:07 |
| mikal | ttx: ok | 21:07 |
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| gordc | dhellmann: regarding ceilometerclient, i'll sync with eglynn but we'll probably looking at cutting ceilometerclient 1.0.14 unless we find any breaking changes since last release. | 21:07 |
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| dhellmann | gordc: sounds good | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, are there any other issues we need to raise before we move on? | 21:08 |
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| thingee | clarification, are we still bumping cinder to 1.1.2? | 21:08 |
| thingee | cinderclient | 21:08 |
| ttx | thingee: why do you need that bump for ? | 21:08 |
| thingee | I've been a bit confused in the ML and playing catch up after pycon | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | thingee: we don't usually bump the minimum for patch releases | 21:09 |
| thingee | k thanks | 21:09 |
| thingee | ttx: I don't have anything pressing. just people angry for the sake of a new release. | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | thingee: the current requirement is >=1.1.0 and we'd cap that as >=1.1.0,<1.2.0 so 1.1.2 could be used if there | 21:09 |
| ttx | thingee; you would rather do a 1.2.0 after we cut the stable/kilo branch | 21:09 |
| thingee | ttx: got it | 21:10 |
| ttx | if it's a featureful release | 21:10 |
| thingee | yup it is | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, that should definitely wait | 21:10 |
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| ttx | FWIW next cycle we'll more aggressively adopt the Oslo model everywhere | 21:10 |
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| ttx | i.e. branch earlier | 21:11 |
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| ttx | everywhere = for every openstack lib | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | right, in general we want to release clients early and often, just like the other libs | 21:11 |
| thingee | dhellmann: I plan to imrpove this in my process. and sorry to people who were angry with me this morning. | 21:11 |
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| dhellmann | one of my early tasks for liberty will be to document the release tools we have put in place to make lib releases easier, so we can be consistent with things like release notes | 21:12 |
| fungi | everywhere should = everything in global-requirements.txt | 21:12 |
| fungi | which we also host in our gerrit, that is | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | fungi: right | 21:12 |
| mestery | dhellmann: ++ | 21:12 |
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| dhellmann | so let's talk about some specs now | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic cross-project spec: Return request ID to caller | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/156508 | 21:13 |
| tpatil | We have submitted a new patch set to log request ID mappings across service boundaries | 21:13 |
| tpatil | We have worked as per Doug’s suggestion to store x-openstack-request-id in the thread local storage of the client. Then exposed get_openstack_request_id method to retrieve this request id to the caller | 21:13 |
| * rockyg Thanks dhellmann! | 21:13 | |
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| tpatil | Advantages of this proposed design | 21:13 |
| tpatil | 1) Doesn’t break compatibility (if the service doesn’t require logging request id mapping then also it can use the newer version of the client) | 21:13 |
| * dhellmann needs to read the latest draft of the spec | 21:13 | |
| tpatil | 2) Minimal changes to the python-*client code. | 21:13 |
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| tpatil | Request everyone to please review the specs | 21:14 |
| tpatil | We have already implemented this proposed design in python-cinderclient | 21:14 |
| tpatil | Add support to return request_id to the calling service | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: it sounds like my concerns were addressed | 21:14 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173199/ | 21:14 |
| bknudson | seems like this could be handled in the keystoneclient session code. | 21:14 |
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| tpatil | dhellman: Yes | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: have you identified any issues implementing this outside of cinder, where the tools (particularly on the server side) might be different? | 21:14 |
| tpatil | log request-id mapping of nova and cinder | 21:14 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173234 | 21:14 |
| mtreinish | oh, wasn't this an old nova spec/bp from like a year ago? | 21:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, agreed this looks like something that could be in session | 21:15 |
| mtreinish | I thought there was some work done on getting this with glanceclient before | 21:15 |
| tpatil | yes, we have done testing with nova. Also tested in multi thread environment. | 21:15 |
| bknudson | a single python API call could result in multiple requests... e.g., if your session got a fresh token. | 21:15 |
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| dhellmann | lots of good points, please post comments on the review | 21:16 |
| tpatil | dhellman: We haven't found any issues there | 21:16 |
| tpatil | sure | 21:16 |
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| rockyg | a cross project session for this would be great -- especially to get ops folks to give their log needs | 21:16 |
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| thingee | tpatil: I'm happy to see this this is now returning from the explicit get_request_openstack_id() | 21:16 |
| thingee | tpatil: instead of just from calls like list() | 21:16 |
| tpatil | Should I propose a session to address these changes? | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: we'll be talking about how to propose sessions in a bit | 21:17 |
| tpatil | ok | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | tpatil: you're welcome to propose it, yes (I can't promise whether we'll have time for it) | 21:17 |
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| mtreinish | also we've had this session at least once in the past (I think in HK) and it just never has been pushed to completion | 21:17 |
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| tpatil | ok, I will submit a session | 21:18 |
| mtreinish | that's why this is about mapping ids instead of letting clients set the id | 21:18 |
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| bknudson | trick is we can't trust the client. | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 21:18 |
| mtreinish | yep | 21:18 |
| bknudson | and maybe that just means not accepting a really long request ID. | 21:18 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: no I think mapping is the right solution here, just get the services to log request ids between rest calls to other things | 21:19 |
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| mtreinish | I was just giving historical background | 21:19 |
| bknudson | right, the danger is if it's a really long request ID then that's a DoS on your logs. | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like there are several people here with insight into the problem and its history, so please do post comments on the review to help nudge it in the right direction | 21:19 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:20 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: is that a real concern, everything should be using the same oslo lib for getting the req-id | 21:20 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: sure will do | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: thanks | 21:21 |
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| dhellmann | so let's move on to the next spec... | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | #topic cross-project spec: OpenStack wide Error Codes for Log Messages | 21:21 |
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| tpatil | bknudson: we can make this configurable if you don't need to log request id mapping. | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172552/ | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Lots of great comments I need to incorporate in. | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | This is the one from rockyg and jokke_ about creating standard message identifiers | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Tomorrow's log_wg meeting will get clarity on some of that | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | yes, there's a good bit of feedback in the comments right now | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: I think the thing to keep in mind here is to keep the solution simple, to avoid needing to do a lot of coordination or making lots of application-level changes | 21:24 |
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| rockyg | agreed. And being specific. | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | we should also think about whether there are ways to use data we already have, like the logger module name and exception class name, to avoid requiring us to produce the results we want with less work | 21:25 |
| rockyg | A definitions section should help. | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 21:25 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | also, we need some volunteers to sign up to do some of the work -- my name is there only for related work in oslo.log :-) | 21:25 |
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| rockyg | I think once we have a solid spec and some example code, we can get more volunteers. | 21:26 |
| rockyg | I'm also hoping this can be done as a "while you're in there | 21:26 |
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| rockyg | kind of thing. So old doesn't break new. | 21:27 |
| rockyg | Or vice versa? | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: ok. I'd be reluctant to approve a spec without someone signed up to implement it, but we can address that when the other issues are handled | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | dhellmann: right, but we might want to get per project sign-ups | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: I'd also like to see if we can figure out a way to meet the requirements without having to touch lots of messages, so think about (and describe) the ultimate goal, as well as the proposed implementation | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: yep, you should be starting to get some support from projects now -- that's the whole point of this cross-project spec process | 21:29 |
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| rockyg | I'll be recruiting heavily at the summit, too | 21:29 |
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| rockyg | Also, great idea, dhellmann. if we can sprignboard on what oslo.log already knows, so much the better. | 21:29 |
| bknudson | is there going to be a library for it? | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: once we figure out what "it" is, I would expect most common pieces to go into oslo.log. It's not yet clear that there needs to be any coding, though. | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | it's also not clear that oslo.log is the best place, if we're talking about errors returned through the REST API | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | shall we move on to summit planning? | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic Design Summit Cross-project sessions brainstorming | 21:31 |
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| dhellmann | ttx has set up a google doc to hold session topics, since the etherpad we used last time got pretty messy and hard to work with | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | #link submit a session proposal http://goo.gl/forms/S69HM6XEeb | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | that form feeds data into a spreadsheet: | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | #link review submission proposals https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit?usp=sharing | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | the spreadsheet is locked, but anyone should be able to leave comments | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | please keep in mind that we want these sessions to be about more than one project, usually more than 2 | 21:32 |
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| geoffarnold | I'm concerned that we may be treating two different types of issues as "cross-project": initiatives involving work in a couple of projects, and housekeeping stuff affecting all the projects (like version IDs and RC coordination | 21:33 |
| ttx | So if you have a cross-project issue that could use some F2F time to see a quick resolution, pleéase consider adding it | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | we have finite space and time, so we'll probably end up giving priority to broader topics, but they still need to have very clear and focused proposals | 21:33 |
| etoews | is there a deadline for submissions? | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | geoffarnold: yes, we'll sort that out when we review the proposals | 21:33 |
| geoffarnold | thx | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | geoffarnold: asking for a session does not guarantee that it is given :-) | 21:33 |
| geoffarnold | of course! | 21:33 |
| geoffarnold | I've been around long enough................. | 21:34 |
| ttx | etoews: let me see what I put on that ML post | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061070.html | 21:34 |
| ttx | "We expect to process those starting the week of April 27, so it would be | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | etoews: deadline is 26 Apr | 21:34 |
| ttx | great to submit your suggestions before EOD April 26." | 21:34 |
| etoews | ttx: you might want to add that deadline to the google form too | 21:34 |
| ttx | That doesn't mean we won't take anythgin after that, but anything submitted after that might just be ignored. | 21:34 |
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| dhellmann | geoffarnold: k, we share a concern on this point | 21:35 |
| stevebaker | ttx: are there sessions where operators and developers intermingle? | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: there's an entire operators track this time around | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | (again) | 21:35 |
| ttx | stevebaker: all sessions ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | Also we have the possibility to add sessions to multiple tracks this time around | 21:35 |
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| stevebaker | i mean about specific topics that concern operators *and* developers | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: there's a draft agenda for the operator sessions at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-April/006730.html | 21:36 |
| rockyg | ttx, stevebaker: well, when there isn't a more pressing session in an ops or dev track.... | 21:36 |
| ttx | so if you have a specific session you'd like lots of ops to come, you have the possibility to make it appear on the ops list | 21:36 |
| rockyg | ttx: which is great! | 21:36 |
| stevebaker | ttx: ah, ok | 21:36 |
| rockyg | adn vice versa. | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | ttx: nice | 21:37 |
| ttx | Ops have sessions all Tuesday all Wednesday though, so don't expect miracles. | 21:37 |
| ttx | I didn't make a lot of progress in the mastering of Timespace bending | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | hmm, yeah, what happened to monday? | 21:37 |
| ttx | Monday, no design summit | 21:37 |
| ttx | and now Ops is in Design Summit, same days | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | isn't that when we had the ops sessions last time? | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | oh | 21:37 |
| anteaya | it used to be ops day | 21:37 |
| anteaya | :( | 21:38 |
| ttx | That was a separate event | 21:38 |
| geoffarnold | Is Friday going to be working sessions, like Paris, or what? | 21:38 |
| ttx | yes, Friday is workign sessions only | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | are there any other summit questions? | 21:39 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Open discussion & announcements | 21:40 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone have anything else to share? | 21:40 |
| rockyg | question for doug: which chat rooms can you usually be found? | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: I'm usually in most of them, I think. #openstack-dev and #openstack-oslo are always easy | 21:41 |
| rockyg | thnx | 21:42 |
| fungi | i've also caught him skulking around #openstack-infra | 21:42 |
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| fungi | and #openstack-qa | 21:42 |
| fungi | you know, all the important channels ;_ | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | fungi: you're telling all my secrets | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | if there's nothing else to discuss other than my irc habits, I think we can say we're done | 21:42 |
| rockyg | fungi: you're making dhellmann blush... | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | thank you all, and please look at the cross-project specs mentioned here and the others proposed that we might need to hash out at the summit | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | enjoy your extra 15 minutes :-) | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 21:43:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-14-21.02.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-14-21.02.txt | 21:44 |
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| ttx | you rocked it | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-14-21.02.log.html | 21:44 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: thx! | 21:44 |
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| loquacities | hello docs lovelies! | 23:59 |
| loquacities | anyone here? | 23:59 |
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