Thursday, 2015-04-16

Rockygfyi:  a tool that has already gotten some good press in OpenStack dev community:
RockygSee if we can use for tracking projects00:00
sarobrockyg: still early00:00
ShamailIll check it out Rockyg00:00
sarobokay, sorry we didnt make it all the way thorugh00:01
Arkady_Kanevsky_i used trello cards00:01
sarobcontinue on the ML my friends00:01
Rockygthis is sort of the direction the devs are heading now that storyboard is not moving fast enough00:01
ShamailNP, im glad!   Its a first for us sarob00:01
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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting08:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 16 08:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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Fdot_hello all :)08:00
* AJaeger waves08:00
DaisyHi, loquacities08:01
DaisyOK. Let's start.08:01
loquacitieshi Daisy :)08:01
Daisy#topic rst document translation discussion with doc team08:01
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DaisyWelcome AJaeger and loquacities from doc team.08:01
* loquacities waves08:01
DaisyAnd welcome ujuc_ from Korean team and Fdot_ from French team.08:02
DaisyI'm representative of Chinese translation team.08:02
Daisyepico is from Chinese too.08:02
* AJaeger does the odd bit of German translation (10 strings this release only ;)08:03
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Daisyujuc_ and Fdot_ : do you need a background introduction of switching to rst document ?08:03
DaisyYes, AJaeger is from German team.08:03
Fdot_Daisy: that's ok :)08:04
ujuc_that's ok too.08:04
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DaisySo you understand what we are talking about.08:04
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Fdot_I have talked about it with gpocentek :)08:04
Fdot_from doc team08:04
DaisyThere have been several mails going back and through in our mailing list.08:04
AJaegerFdot_, yeah, gpocentek is an RST expert ;)08:04
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DaisySo fristly, AJaeger , I would like to make sure the current doc toolchain could support our future improvement.08:05
DaisyLet's use a simple example.08:05
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DaisyIf I want to change :: at the end of an sentence to :, and change back, with auto tool, which files I could change ?08:06
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DaisyI mean, before uploading, I change :: to :, and after downloading, I change : to ::08:06
DaisyIt's the simplest case.08:07
AJaegerWe have tools/ that creates the po files08:07
AJaegerAnd we can add transformations there any time08:07
Daisycan you share the link ?08:07
AJaegerand for downloading, can do this either as part of the building process - see
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AJaegeror as part of the infra scripts
AJaegerBut we have to be clever here, not every ":" should be converted to "::" etc.08:10
loquacities^^ that's what i was thinking08:10
AJaegerSo, the logic there needs to search for the original string and see whether we have "original::" and only then do the transformation08:10
DaisyOh ? I didn't notice the exceptions while I was investigating the user guides.08:10
DaisyOnly :: at the end of every string08:10
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Daisyshould be changed.08:11
DaisyIs that correct ?08:11
DaisyAll :: at the end of the source strings08:11
AJaegerIf you want to change those, you would change existing "::" in the source before uploading to ":" and then convert those translated strings that originally had a "::" back.08:12
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DaisyAJaeger: I don't quite understand why use :: ?08:12
AJaegerDaisy, I don't understand your question08:13
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DaisyThe old source string in DocBook is:08:13
Daisy"To perform a hard reboot, pass the <parameter>--hard</parameter> parameter, as follows:"08:14
DaisyThe new source strings in RST is:08:14
Daisy"To perform a hard reboot, pass the ``--hard`` parameter, as follows::"08:14
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DaisyWhy this kind of changes happen ?08:14
AJaegerDaisy, the "::" is RST markup to have the text that *follows* written as code.08:15
AJaegerSo, if the next line is for example a config file, we use "::"08:15
AJaegerIF the next time is some descriptive text, it would be a single ":"08:15
Daisyoh. Then it's easy to convert :: to :, but it's hard to convert back.08:16
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DaisyI understand. Thank you, AJaeger08:16
AJaegerDaisy, you need to check first the original string, should be a simple lookup.08:17
Daisyok. Yes.08:17
DaisyThank you.08:17
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DaisySo based on AJaeger 's answers, I think, we could make the improvement if we want to in the future, by updating some scripts. But the logic is not easy, because when converting back, the original string need to be tested.08:18
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DaisyLet's move to next.08:19
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DaisyThis page lists some markups in RST.08:20
DaisyThis email contains more markups Olga Gusarenko added.08:20
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DaisyThis is the new pot file.08:20
Daisyujuc_ and Fdot_ : please take a look at these markups and the new pot file, and let us know if you have any concerns.08:21
Fdot_daisy ok :)08:21
DaisyAJaeger: :guilabel:`tab`08:22
AJaegerI imported the existing translations for End User Guide and Admin User Guide into the user-guides resource and also did some transformations, so we had 38 % of Japanese translated directly08:22
DaisyIn this case, shall we translate tab ?08:22
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Daisyshall we translate *tab* into the local language as to :guilabel:`tab` ?08:23
AJaeger"tab" might be the label in Horizon, so it needs to be translated.08:23
AJaegerThat was the case before already, just it was <guilabel>tab</guilabel> or somethign similar08:24
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DaisyThen how about this one: :term:`glossterm_name` ?08:25
Daisydo we need to translate *glossterm_name* ?08:25
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AJaegerThat'S a reference to the glossary08:26
AJaegerIt needs to match the glossary entry - like it did before08:26
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AJaegerSo, if you translate "Compute" as key in the glossary to "Berechnen", then you need to translate the term here as well - like previously08:27
DaisyNow we don't have glossary translated yet.08:27
Daisyif the glossary is translated in the future, *glossterm_name* should be translated here.08:27
AJaegerExample: the Japanese team has 89 % of glossary translated08:27
AJaegerDaisy, correct.08:28
DaisyI think :menuselection:`Start > Programs` should be translated, but I want to check with you, AJaeger .08:28
AJaegerDaisy, whenever you come about these questions in the future, feel free to ask on openstack-docs mailing list08:29
AJaegerIndeed, Daisy, those need to be translated the same way as it is in the GUI like horizon08:29
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DaisyOk. I want to summarize them together, so the new comers won't bother you those questions.08:29
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AJaegerDaisy, sure! Document what you learn and ask again for feedback, we happily review.08:30
DaisyIn DocBook, XML tags are clearly marked. Translators don't need to bother which should translate, which should not. RST is different way.08:30
AJaegerI agree it's important to know where translations need to match - like the glossary or the UI.08:30
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AJaegerYes, DocBook XML tags can be easily identified. But don't you translate glossterm already?08:31
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DaisyNot all languages translate glossary.08:32
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AJaegerok - but those that do have to keep this in mind already today08:32
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DaisyYes, agree. I will document these down in that wiki page.08:33
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AJaegerThanks, Daisy!08:34
Daisyujuc_ and Fdot_ : any questions from you ?08:34
AJaegerNow I see why a special translators RST cheat sheet is needed08:34
loquacitiesyes, it's trickier than i realised!08:34
Fdot_Daisy: not for me08:34
ujuc_no ~08:35
DaisyAJaeger: while translating, translators need to understand the meaning. This will help them translate. That's why I ask a lot of silly questions to you.08:36
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AJaegerDaisy, those are no silly questions.08:36
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loquacitiesDaisy: i am in australia, and will make sure i am in #openstack-translation for you, so you can ask questions08:37
AJaegerThe implications of different markup for translation was not that clear to me before, so your questions helped me to learn as well08:37
DaisyFdot_ and ujuc_ : you are OK to the rst document conversion now ?08:37
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DaisyThank you, loquacities08:37
loquacitiesno problem08:37
Fdot_Daisy: ok for me08:37
DaisyThank you, Fdot_08:38
DaisyThank you, ujuc_08:38
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DaisyI'm fine too. I will continue to improve the translators cheat sheet.08:38
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loquacitiesthat's great, Daisy :)08:39
DaisyIf you meet with new mark ups, AJaeger, please add to the cheat sheet.08:39
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DaisySame to you, loquacities, Fdot and ujuc_ .08:39
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loquacitieswill do :)08:39
AJaegerDaisy, will keep an eye out08:39
DaisyIt will help the new comers easily to understand the situation.08:39
DaisyOk. great !08:40
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Daisyany more questions? comments ?08:40
loquacitiesi think i understand the issues better now, so thank you :)08:40
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AJaegerSo, do I - thanks!08:40
DaisyThank you, AJaeger and loquacities to come.08:41
loquacitiesmost welcome08:41
DaisyWe will move to next topic.08:41
AJaegerDaisy, feel free to invite us again any time you have doc questions.08:41
Daisy#topic Final push on Horizon translation08:41
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Daisysure, AJaeger . I will.08:41
DaisyI will catch you in IRC. I will bother you too, loquacities, if i cannot find AJaeger .08:41
loquacitiesno problem at all :)08:42
AJaegerYou're welcome!08:42
Daisyamotoki sent email to our mailing list.08:42
loquacitiesi am probably in a better time zone for you, too ;)08:42
DaisyHorzion is string freeze now.08:42
DaisyThe date to push Horizon translation is April 23.08:42
DaisySo we have to finish them by April 22.08:43
DaisyI see most languages have good progress.08:43
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DaisyJust two languages might have trouble.08:43
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DaisySpanish and Polish08:43
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DaisyI will broadcast the email to a more broad mailing list and get more people's help.08:44
DaisyThat's all for this topic.08:44
Daisy#topic Open discussions08:44
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DaisyAny topics to talk ?08:45
ujuc_i not08:45
DaisyThank you, ujuc_08:45
Daisyif no, I will close the meeting.08:45
Daisyok. Let's close it.08:46
DaisyThank you all for attending.08:46
loquacitiesthanks Daisy :)08:46
Daisythank you, loquacities08:46
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openstackMinutes (text):
AJaegerthanks, Daisy!08:47
DaisyThank you, AJaeger08:47
ujuc_Thanks :)08:47
ujuc_bye bye :)08:47
DaisyThank you for attending, ujuc_ and epico08:47
ujuc_lol :)08:47
epicoWelcome :)08:47
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Fdot__Daisy: sorry i lost my connexion08:49
Fdot__But i had one question08:50
DaisyIt's OK, Fdot__08:50
DaisyFdot__: we can go to #openstack-translation08:50
Fdot__Daisy: ok08:50
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bauzastik tak ?14:00
n0anobauzas, we say `tick tock' :-)14:01
bauzasn0ano: :)14:01
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 16 14:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic kilo release status14:02
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johnthetubaguyhello all14:02
johnthetubaguyso we have RC1 out the door14:02
johnthetubaguywe have master open for liberty14:03
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johnthetubaguybut there are some bloopers we need to fix14:03
johnthetubaguyand RC2 is being triggered14:03
johnthetubaguybut we need to look at what *really* needs to be in there14:03
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johnthetubaguythe current plan is to add *possible* candidates here:14:03
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johnthetubaguyI believe ttx is going to help review that list tomorrow, to see what we push into RC214:04
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johnthetubaguyso if you have strong views, please do add comments to the bugs14:04
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: any idea *when* shipping RC2 ?14:04
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: so about an hour ago I discovered this - - which seems like it might need to add to that list14:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1445021 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-compute does not start after upgrade from juno->kilo if there are boot from volume servers running" [Critical,New]14:04
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dansmiththat one is bad14:05
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johnthetubaguy#info for really bad bugs you want into RC2 please tag with kilo-rc-potential
johnthetubaguy+1 I added a tag14:05
johnthetubaguysdague: honestly, thats worth delating RC2 to get a fix in14:05
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, if we can figure out what the fix is14:05
johnthetubaguysdague: good point14:06
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johnthetubaguyI mean we can wait until monday, I believe, but will have to check14:06
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ndipanovsdague, I think I know what the fix could be14:07
johnthetubaguybauzas: to answer your question, it happens sometime after today, when we are happy with the list of things we have14:07
bauzaswould it be possible to see with logstash when it happened ?14:07
ndipanovlet me propose something14:07
sdaguendipanov: ok14:07
ndipanovsdague, but let's talk after the meeting14:07
johnthetubaguycools, good stuff14:07
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yeah my question was before sdague's point which is totally valuable14:07
sdaguebauzas: no, this is discovered in a new test14:07
johnthetubaguyso, any more things on kilo?14:08
ndipanovso this code has been like that for a long time, and I am really surprised that it worked14:08
ndipanovbut let me comment on the bug - disregard me14:08
johnthetubaguy… time for more tests, tests are good14:08
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johnthetubaguyanyways, lets move on14:08
johnthetubaguy#topic liberty release status14:08
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johnthetubaguyso we are open for liberty14:08
johnthetubaguyits time to upload nova-specs14:09
johnthetubaguyits time to review them too14:09
bauzasplanning a review day ?14:09
johnthetubaguyping me if there is any process confusion, and I can try answer "what do I do next?"14:09
dansmithI have a spec question14:09
bauzaslike last cycle ?14:09
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johnthetubaguybauzas: possible, I am keen for one before the summit, if thats feasible14:09
dansmithI put this in open discussion but I'll ask it here: we need to move to using the oslo.versionedobjects library this cycle.. do we need a spec for that, or is it straightforward enough for just a bp?14:09
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johnthetubaguythats a good question14:10
johnthetubaguyI am OK with that been spec-less14:10
bauzasdansmith: sounds like the code is nearly the same right ?14:10
sdaguedansmith: I think just a bp14:10
bauzasdansmith: I briefly looked at it and found very few diffs14:10
dansmithit's very close.. we have some changes we have to make, and more just transition code to make it seamless14:10
johnthetubaguywe need to track it, so lets just have a bp14:10
sdagueI'm not sure there is anything that really needs discussing14:10
johnthetubaguysdague: +114:10
johnthetubaguyso on specs,14:11
johnthetubaguypreviously-approved: kilo14:11
johnthetubaguyis a really handy git commit tag to fast approve from kilo -> liberty14:11
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johnthetubaguyso other things...14:11
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johnthetubaguythere is likely to be a change on how we use milestones14:12
johnthetubaguyworking with ttx on what we do there14:12
johnthetubaguybasically, more likely just to use milestones to tell people when it happened14:12
dansmithwhich is kinda what happens now :)14:12
dansmithi.e. punt from milestone to milestone until it's done :)14:13
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, :)14:13
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johnthetubaguyits basically adminiting defeat14:13
dansmithat least we're honest :)14:13
johnthetubaguyfeels better14:13
johnthetubaguyand its much less faffing about14:13
johnthetubaguyso its time to start getting suggestions for summit discussion put in the etherpads14:14
johnthetubaguythere are places for cross-project ones too (see ML message)14:14
johnthetubaguymore on that soon I suspect14:14
johnthetubaguyI would love to see nova-specs for the features people want to discuss, to try avoid usless sessions that could just be a spec discussion14:15
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johnthetubaguybut thats all14:15
johnthetubaguyany more on process?14:15
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johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:15
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, I won't be at the summit this time - but I feel the last thing on the priorities list is kind of my area14:16
johnthetubaguyhow is the gate doing, nova wise?14:16
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, any ideas how I can still get some feedback on that (ML?)14:16
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: seems pretty solid14:16
johnthetubaguyndipanov: we will do a spec thingy again for priorities, so there should be space to comment without being at the design summit14:16
ndipanovsorry to go back to the previous topic14:16
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johnthetubaguyndipanov: can we punt that till open discussion, sorry moved on too quickly, but yes, ML is good too14:17
johnthetubaguyanything more on bugs?14:17
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johnthetubaguymriedem: just in the bug section if you have anything14:17
johnthetubaguy#topic open discussion14:18
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johnthetubaguyso I have a few notes on the agenda to go first...14:18
dansmithI put my items under review requests14:18
dansmithdidn't mean to14:18
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johnthetubaguyso there are some review requests14:18
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kashyapmriedem: You might want to mention you've got the offending test from live snapshot bug passing w/ the experimental Fedora job :-)14:18
abhishekkhi, Improve performance of unshelve api -
johnthetubaguythose folks request reviews14:19
johnthetubaguynot sure any are "stuck"14:19
dansmithnone of these are stuck, IMHO14:19
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abhishekk@all, since liberty is open for review, could you please give feedback on specs when you get time14:19
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johnthetubaguyabhishekk: please email mikal about removing his -2, if that doesn't happen quickly, but yes, we are reviewing the specs now14:20
johnthetubaguydansmith: your note about flavor stuff?14:20
dansmithyeah, so,14:20
ndipanovone juno bug I backported - since it's a tricky backport - wanted to get attention of people who are also on nova-stable-maint
abhishekkjohnthetubaguy: sure thing14:20
sdagueabhishekk: but realize that spec review bw is low until the release crtiical bugs get sorted14:20
dansmithin kilo we moved flavor stuff from sysmeta to the instance extra blob14:20
ndipanovtricky as in - had to backport a bunch of code to make it work14:21
abhishekksdauge: i understand14:21
dansmithand we provided a command in nova-manage to push those migrations14:21
johnthetubaguysdague: thanks good point14:21
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dansmiththe flavor compat code is complicated and we should drop it as soon as possible.. so what I want to poll for is: can we do that now?14:21
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dansmithand just say "to move from kilo to lemming you have to have done all those migrations first" ?14:21
dansmithI vote "yes"14:21
johnthetubaguydansmith: is it simple to log a warning if you spot un-migrated flavors for a release after we drop the translation code?14:21
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johnthetubaguyor is that just silly14:21
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ndipanovI vote yes!14:22
dansmithbut I also feel like we probably need a way to either block the first lemming db migration on a check, or something14:22
johnthetubaguyFWIW, I am +1 the vote yes14:22
johnthetubaguyah, yeah, I like that14:22
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: not really, if we drop the compat code and they haven't migrated, then we'll fail to be able to load flavor info for the instance14:22
dansmithwhich is, like, bad14:22
dansmithso, we could do two things:14:22
johnthetubaguyput in a DB migration to check the nova-manage command has been run, and then remove the compat code, sounds good14:22
dansmith1. When the first lemming db migration hits, just augment it with an unrelated check14:22
dansmith2. Make the first migration an empty shell that just checks and fails, but otherwise does no actual migration14:23
sdagueyeh, that seems like 2 db migrations right?14:23
sdagueyeh, I like #214:23
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: right, that's my 214:23
dansmithcool, me too14:23
sdaguea dummy check migration14:23
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I like that14:23
mriedemsounds like the instance.uuid thing i had14:23
dansmithexcellent, I'll make it so14:23
sdaguedansmith: we get to do a db drop after that?14:23
mriedemfails if you don't run the script14:23
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dansmithsdague: a db drop?14:24
johnthetubaguydansmith: we might want to make it a general patten and document "stuff we do just after we open liberty" like adding those dummy db migrations?14:24
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: sounds like part of relnotes ?14:24
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: yeah, agreed, I was just about to say: we should make this a pattern/precedent14:24
sdaguedansmith: oh, never mind, I was thinking we got to get rid of some tables / colums in the process as well14:24
johnthetubaguysdague: we didn't remember system_metadata right?14:24
dansmithsdague: nope, this was all metadata14:24
johnthetubaguybauzas: I am thinking dev not users, but yes, that too14:24
sdaguedoesn't this drop a flavor reference though?14:24
johnthetubaguycool, sounds good14:25
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dansmithsdague: no14:25
sdaguenever, mind, I'll look later14:25
dansmithping me and we can discuss14:25
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: well, devs would face the db migration failure, so that's fine I guess :)14:25
bauzassince when, devs are looking at devref ?14:25
johnthetubaguybauzas: I was thinking more general, just having a note of stuff to do at the start and end of each release14:25
johnthetubaguyjust a tick box14:25
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: the next thing on the agenda was my question about the spec for o.vo, so we can skip that now14:26
johnthetubaguydansmith: ah, yes, cool14:26
johnthetubaguyso nova-stable-maint14:26
johnthetubaguywho raised that one?14:26
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* dansmith bets mriedem 14:26
ndipanovprobably him14:26
mriedemnova-stable-maint needs fixing i think14:27
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mriedemit's mostly non-cores and people that aren't actively involved in nova14:27
mriedemso i get pretty frustrated about trying to get backports reviews for stable in nova14:27
johnthetubaguymriedem: yes, very good point14:27
mriedemi don't like begging for reviews14:27
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mriedembut when the gate has problems it has to happen14:27
johnthetubaguywe did talk about this before, and decided against just adding all of nova-core14:27
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mriedemi'm particularly interested in stable for two reasons,14:27
dansmithyeah, stable takes a little more care14:27
mriedem1. gate14:27
dansmithbecause there are other rules14:27
johnthetubaguymriedem: do we need to get more folks to offer help, and remove the inactive folks?14:28
mriedem2. i'm involved in stable maint internally for nova14:28
dansmithI think step one is adding mriedem to this list14:28
mriedemi'm offering to help here14:28
mriedemif that's not obvious14:28
dansmithbut I think there are rules about that14:28
sdagueright, put mriedem in the +2 list for sure14:28
dansmithi.e. I don't know if I'm allowed to do it14:28
johnthetubaguyyes, +1 to miedem being added14:28
dansmithwhen I was added,14:28
sdaguebasically I think the point is that people that want to help and are nova core, should be added14:28
dansmithI had a little intro from the stable people14:28
johnthetubaguyis this a PTL thing or stable core thing?14:28
dansmithany of us can add him,14:29
sdagueI'm not sure that all of nova core add is a great idea14:29
dansmithbut I thought it was a stable core thing14:29
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mriedemit should be a stable core decision14:29
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mriedemsince the review rules are different14:29
johnthetubaguyso I can ping ttx when we sort out RC2 I guess14:29
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dansmithI will talk to adam_g and apevec today to see if we can quick-add mriedem14:29
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sdagueyeh, I think, honestly, it would just be good to get someone to write down the policy hoops to add folks14:30
dansmithsurely we can drop people on our own though, right?14:30
johnthetubaguysdague: I think you can add him as well?14:30
mriedemok, and i think we need to prune the list14:30
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dansmithsdague: it might be written down14:30
sdaguedansmith: I am unconvinced that it is, it's been a bit fluid14:30
dansmithsdague: well, I thought I saw it at one point14:30
dansmithbut it's entirely possible that it's out of date too14:30
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mriedemthere should be things linking from that wiki14:30
mriedem"Those groups are managed by stable-maint-core, names are added after the suggestion of the Stable Branch CPL."14:31
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sdagueCPL ?14:31
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bauzasCross Project Liaison14:31
bauzasI guess14:31
johnthetubaguywho is that?14:31
dansmithmriedem: what pruning would you do to the list?14:31
sdaguenova is supposed to nominate folks for that14:32
dansmiththere are non-cores on there already, which makes it weird14:32
johnthetubaguyI guess we just use the review count for now14:32
johnthetubaguyas a start14:32
mriedemdansmith: naming names?14:32
sdaguedansmith: yeh, honestly, I'd drop14:32
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sdagueRussell Bryantrbryant@redhat.com14:32
sdagueVish Ishayavishvananda@gmail.com14:32
mriedemi'd drop vishy, russellb and pixelb probably14:32
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mriedemgaryk and claudiub probably do the most reviews on nova stable14:33
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sdagueI'm not sure why claudio is there either14:33
dansmithit's weird that those two are on there14:33
sdagueyeh, agreed14:33
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mriedemclaudiub: was cross project stable before the project split14:33
mriedemso was garyk14:33
mriedemso they are legacy14:33
sdaguemriedem: well, they can come back in via stable-maint-core14:33
dansmithbut seems weird for them to be in the -nova list if they should be on -core14:33
sdagueif that's the right place14:33
dansmithyeah, that14:33
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mriedemyeah idk who decided on that list14:34
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mriedemafter the big split14:34
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dansmithso, I will hunt down apevec or adam_g today, and I can ask them about drops whilst about adding mriedem14:34
sdagueyay for legacy with no audit trail14:34
mriedemthere is probably a trail in the ML14:34
mriedemi don't care enough :)14:34
mriedemanyway, sounds like we have an action14:35
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mriedem#action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core14:35
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johnthetubaguyOK, sounds like we know who we need to talk to to get an answer14:35
johnthetubaguymriedem: dansmith: thanks for raising this14:35
bauzasmriedem: not sure it works, you're not chair14:35
dansmithbauzas: sshh let him think he did something14:36
johnthetubaguyirc://localhost:9011/#action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core14:36
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mriedemcopy/paste fail14:36
johnthetubaguy#action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core14:36
johnthetubaguyyeah, lol14:36
dansmithguess we know what port to attack johnthetubaguy's laptop at summit14:36
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dansmithare we done?14:37
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johnthetubaguyI think almost14:37
johnthetubaguyone more crazy idea14:37
johnthetubaguyso stable list seems to get a bit stale14:37
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johnthetubaguywould giving them the task of driving the post Feature freeze bug fixing be totally crazy, like we never close master for features?14:38
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johnthetubaguythat could mean way too many backports, of course14:38
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johnthetubaguybut might give stable more "practice" and keep the group active…14:38
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, but criteria is different for pending release and stable for sure14:38
dansmithI'm not sure I understand, but maybe that sounds like a process-affecting summit talk?14:38
johnthetubaguyI think we are done14:39
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sdagueyeh, there is a whole issue about when handoff happens, but ttx needs to be in the middle of that14:39
johnthetubaguysdague: yeah, agreed14:39
johnthetubaguyhe has good intuition on this stuff14:39
johnthetubaguyanyways, happy bug fixing and tagging14:40
johnthetubaguythanks all14:40
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gordclet's start :)15:02
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gordc#topic kilo-rc requests/bugs15:02
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gordci think we currently have one patch proposed for rc2...15:03
gordci don't know if anyone else has a bug they've found that they'd like to have in kilo?15:03
gordc(haven't seen any in launchpad)15:03
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eglynntagging with kilo-rc-potential is the signal if you've got something you want to raise up as a candidate for rc215:04
gordc^ that will help a lot15:05
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gordcApril 30 is the release date. obviously, bringing blockers up early is better.15:05
gordc#topic kilo release notes15:06
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gordci've added a few items that i can remember we added this cycle.15:06
gordcplease have a look and see if there's something important you think we should highlight15:07
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eglynnmention tech-preview gnocchi integration?15:07
gordceglynn: good point. was going to action item that for jd__15:07
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ildikovgordc: I wonder if I should mention there the Event description in OS Manuals that we have finally and maybe in the same time we could clean up the dev docs part if that is needed?15:08
gordcjd__: deflected :)15:08
jd__gordc: ack15:08
gordcildikov: i guess we can add a link to event part?15:08
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ildikovgordc: ok, I will do that15:08
gordceglynn: is the page generally just pushed to ops list?15:09
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llu-laptopanyone can edit the release notes or it's just the PTL's privilege?15:09
gordcllu-laptop: anyone can edit15:09
eglynnllu-laptop: anyone, it's on the wiki15:09
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gordcllu-laptop: good point... please don't tell me to edit!15:09
eglynnare we missing anything else from ?15:09
ildikovllu-laptop: you only need to sign in to the wiki15:09
eglynne.g. the hyper-v stuff15:09
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llu-laptopgot that thx, might add something tommorrow15:09
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jd__gordc: I've just mentioned Gnocchi as a new dispatcher in those release notes15:10
_nadya_ildikov: btw, do we have description of partition coordinator for agents in docs, for HA? I didn't find it and thinking of writing it15:10
gordceglynn: right. i'll add that. i guess a simple 'added more metrics for hyper-v' is suffice?15:10
eglynnyeah, I think so15:10
gordceglynn: cool cool.15:11
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gordc_nadya_: i think we do... at least a blurb about it15:11
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ildikov_nadya_: there is in the Admin guide15:11
_nadya_ildikov: aha, will find there, thanks a lot!15:12
ildikov_nadya_: not sure about the dev docs at the moment15:12
gordc_nadya_: i might try creating a diagram relating to that... but it might be more for dev docs15:12
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gordcildikov: any help needed on cleaning up existing docimpacts from kilo?15:13
_nadya_gordc: don't worry, I was going to do it by myself :)15:13
ildikovgordc: I agree, it seems a detail that should go to the dev docs on the first place and I also agree it would nice to have, so thanks in advance :)15:13
gordc_nadya_: kk15:13
_nadya_ildikov: great!15:14
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ildikovgordc: I will double check, it mostly should be fine15:14
gordcildikov: cool cool15:14
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ildikovgordc: the configuration update is already done15:14
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ildikovgordc: do you have anything in mind for install guide that we haven't covered already?15:15
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gordcildikov: not currently. i'll probably give another read through in next few days15:15
ildikovgordc: the other docs are not versioned yet, these are the two first priority...15:15
ildikovgordc: cool, sounds good, thanks!15:15
gordcfor those interested:, search telemetry, see if it makes sense. :)15:16
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gordc#topic gnocchi updates15:16
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gordci think i deleted the previous floating topic by accident... but jd__, any updates?15:16
silehthistory have been landed15:17
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silehtarchive policy rules too15:17
cdent\o/ indeed15:17
pradyep ap rules landed15:17
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eglynnprad is working on gnocchi packaging for Fedora, should make it more consumable :)15:18
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silehtwe have etag for resources :)15:18
gordcare there docs we can point to from release notes (in case people want to test)?15:18
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* gordc does not understand packaging.15:18
silehtI have retested the integration with ceilometer and devstack15:18
silehteverything seems work out of the box15:19
eglynnis this up-to-date ...
pradyea packaging coming along, should  have something soon installable soon (even if its from copr) untile fedora reviews15:19
jd__I'm trying to realease 1.0.0rc115:19
eglynngordc: ^^^ re. docs question15:19
jd__I'm having some permission issue on Gerrit I've sent a patch on infra for that15:19
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jd__eglynn: no it's on 1859242115:19
gordceglynn: yeah. i think we'll probably need a 'using it with devstack' part later15:20
eglynna-ga, cool15:20
eglynna-*ha :)15:20
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gordcnm i see it15:20
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gordcjd__: cool stuff, we should add that to release notes15:20
jd__I've deleted the readthedoc project15:20
jd__well at least I've clicked the DELETE button15:21
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jd__no stale doc online!15:21
gordcrequest google to stop showing it15:21
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gordcanything else on gnocchi?15:21
jd__I think that's all15:22
* gordc changing order15:22
gordc#topic ceilometerclient release15:22
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gordci made a 1.1.0 release for Liberty. it will include everything that's merge as of a few hours ago15:22
gordcanything between 1.0.13 and 1.1.0 needs to be backported to stable/kilo so if you have anything important, start backporting15:23
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pradgordc, i did a few from your list15:23
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pradi think we have a couple more left, i should have those soon i think15:23
gordci believe the rule going forward is if a requirements patch is merged, we should probably bump the minimum version number and make a release15:24
gordcprad: thanks!15:24
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gordci don't think there's much to talk about this so onto summit talk!15:24
gordc#topic summit session proposals15:24
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gordci created a link for proposal:
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gordclet me know if you can't edit it... honour system in place so don't randomly delete stuff.15:25
ildikovgordc: I added a placeholder session there, so it is editable15:26
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gordceglynn: you have the list of session spaces handy?15:27
eglynngordc: how about we change "Topic for Friday?" column to "Session type (fishbowl/working/meetup)"15:27
ildikovcdent: now you can edit the document, you will not be the first one ;)15:27
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gordceglynn: sounds good15:27
eglynngordc: 2 fishbowl, 8 working sessions, 1/2 day meetup on Friday15:27
* gordc copy/pasted blindly15:27
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gordcso i guess we have quick a bit of time reserved so if you want face to face time, the summit will be a good time.15:28
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ildikovgordc: when do we plan to close the proposals?15:29
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eglynnildikov: usually the near-final list is needed for about a week in advance15:29
gordcildikov: good question... i hadn't thought that let's follow the cutoff from last cycle15:29
eglynnildikov: so we'll need to be voting/deciding at least 2 week out from summit15:30
ildikoveglynn: cool, thanks for the update15:30
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ildikovI wonder where it could be placed on the google docs to inform those, who plan to propose a session15:30
gordcso i guess aim for your proposals to be summitted within next two week so we have time to vote.15:31
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gordcildikov: let's tentatively set May 4 as cut off15:31
ildikovgordc: cool, sounds good to me15:31
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gordcbut again earlier the better.15:32
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gordcin regards to submissions15:32
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gordckeeping on topic of summit15:32
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gordc#topic ops-related ceilometer summit session15:32
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eglynngordc: yeah maybe do a first round of voting/discussion at the meeting on April 30th?15:32
gordceglynn: sounds good15:33
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ildikova bit close but ok15:33
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gordcildikov: should be ok... lights a fire.15:33
ildikovso I added a placeholder session to discuss the outcome of the ops session15:33
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ildikovgordc: LOL :), from that PoV you're right15:34
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gordcthere's an op session set for discussing ceilometer (and gnocchi)15:34
gordcon Tuesday 12:05 - 12:4515:34
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gordcit's for developers to ask ops questions and vice versa15:35
eglynnwe need someone to moderate the ops feedback session15:35
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ildikovyeap, just wanted to point it out15:35
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gordcdon't all fight over opportunity to moderate.15:36
ildikovalso somehow we need to balance in oder to get as many feedback as we can, but also answer questions or address issues we can15:36
ildikov... like we have now Gnocchi, etc. ...15:36
cdentmoderate _at_ the ops session or in our own meeting to think about it?15:37
gordccdent: _at_ the ops session15:37
eglynncdent: wot gordc said15:37
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cdentI can't: speaking right before15:37
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gordccool cool15:38
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cdentbut would otherwise like to be sure to be there as I think it is likely one of the more important things happening all week15:38
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gordcwell aside from moderating, if you have questions to ask ops (ie. how they use ceilometer, what they find useful) please think about it before hand15:38
gordcjasonamyers: i don't know if you have any items to add?15:38
jasonamyersnot at the moment15:39
eglynnproposal: all cores for both ceilo & gnocchi who are travelling to Vancouver try to be present at the ops session15:39
eglynnwhat say ye?15:39
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jasonamyersI've been tasked a get more involved in code for ceilometer starting at the summit so I'm looking forward to that15:39
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ildikoveglynn: +infinite15:39
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gordcjasonamyers: cool cool.15:40
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llu-laptopeglynn: +115:40
ildikoveglynn: this is the most important session on the summit15:40
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ildikovfeedback is priceless and we also need some marketing, from which PoV the support on the ops session is importatnt too IMHO15:40
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gordc'need some marketing' /me puts on suit from linked profile15:41
eglynnLOL :)15:42
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ildikovgordc: if you do, then you can moderate the session too ;)15:42
cdentYeah, as much as marketing terminology makes me want to vomit, there does seem to be a need to do a bit brand management.15:42
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gordcildikov: i'll need to shine my shoes... after i buy some shoes.15:43
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ildikovgordc: LOL :)15:43
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ildikovcdent: sorry for the word, couldn't find any better15:43
gordci don't have anything else on this... so...15:44
cdentildikov: you are right15:44
ildikovcdent: but I hope you still got my point15:44
cdentI was agreeing with you15:44
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ildikovcdent: okok, got it now, too many meeings in a row... :S15:45
gordcso basically come with questions and answers... the session is meant to go both ways.15:45
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gordc#Open discussion15:45
eglynngordc: excellent point!15:45
gordc...well that's not how you use it apparently15:46
gordc#topic Open discussion15:46
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eglynnanyone done any testing with tokumx?15:46
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eglynn(as a higher perf drop-in replacement for mongodb)15:46
pradeglynn, i played around with it after you mentioned15:46
pradeglynn, obviously dint test it at scale15:46
* eglynn would love to see some hard data on how ceilo performance against it15:47
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gordceglynn: is this equivalent to mariadb to mysql?15:47
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eglynn... my kingdom for a realistic pre-prod env ;)15:47
ildikoveglynn: unfortunately not, as I had to check in Google, what this is :)15:47
eglynngordc: I think it's a close equivalent, yes15:47
ildikovgordc: at least sounds like15:48
gordc90% reduction in size?!?!15:48
silehteglynn, according the homepage, that's rocks :p15:48
eglynn".... as of October last year, they were in parity with Mongo 2.4, with the exception of geo-indices and full-text search, and 2.6 is still an open milestone."15:48
silehtgordc, I love this kind of number :)15:48
eglynnmeh, that's old new15:48
gordcthese are some bold statements.lol15:48
pradsee gordc, thats marketing :)15:49
ildikovprad: exactly :)15:49
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gordcprad: :) i'll take note.15:50
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ildikovthey are listing some companies as users, maybe if anyone has connections there it worth a question15:50
eglynndoes anyone have facilities to profile, e.g. run the Mirantis benchmarks15:50
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eglynnmight be worth having some data in our back-pocket for that ops session15:51
_nadya_eglynn: what benchmark :)?15:51
ildikoveglynn: my notebook only looks large ;)15:51
gordcildikov: hahah!15:51
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eglynn_nadya_: the one that Ilya(?) ran and Dina crunched the results, IIRC15:52
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cdentI think perhaps it would be better if by the time we got to summit we had already convinced one of the larger installations to have tried out tokumx and report benchmarks. We need to make partners not customers.15:52
silehtit seems this is a perconna product since two days15:52
ildikovalthough the idea sounds good, I wanted to ask this too15:52
_nadya_eglynn: aha, it was just scripts. not a 'tool' . Maybe we may consider Rally15:52
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eglynncdent: one to raise with linuxhermit perhaps?15:53
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cdenthere today in his jasonamyers guise?15:53
jasonamyersI am here15:53
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_nadya_eglynn: but tbh, I'm not sure if we may apply it to test Ceilo. Will discuss that15:53
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jasonamyerscdent: numbers are very useful to operators15:54
ildikovcdent: if you mean those as partners who use what we produce then I agree, but I wouldn't say this in general15:54
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jasonamyersespecially if you are comparing to options on the same hardware/network setup15:55
cdentThe point I'm trying to make is that we maintain too much of a division between "us" and the "operators" and I think that is bad for the health of the "product".15:55
eglynn_nadya_: cool, thanks15:55
cdentIf "we" can get "them" to help "us" with something "we" can't do easily (because of lack of data and tooling) but "they" can, then win15:56
gordccdent: you are very proficient with them.15:56
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ildikovcdent: sure, i got that part15:56
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jasonamyerscdent: I can't agree more on that point15:57
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jasonamyersoperators are us15:57
jasonamyersthey are they reason we need ceilometer etc right15:57
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jasonamyersif operators move on to other clouds that's terrible for openstack15:57
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gordcwe throw balls at each other in our office... it is us vs them for at least some portion of day15:58
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gordci'm just going to let this meeting run out... 1 min15:59
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ildikovjasonamyers: +115:59
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rjaiswal__nadya_, idegtiarov: Is multiple pipelines still an important use case for you  -
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gordcoutta time sorry16:00
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gordcplease carry on in #ceilometer16:00
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VW_#startmeeting Large Deployment Team16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 16 16:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is VW_. Information about MeetBot at
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VW_howdy, folks16:01
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VW_Alright, let's get started.16:02
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VW_#topic Ops Midcycle Meetup debrief16:02
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VW_so, I've gone over this - - a few times16:02
belmoreiraVW_: I can find the agenda. Do you have a link?16:03
VW_yep, belmoreira - one sec16:03
VW_guess I skipped roll call :\16:03
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belmoreiraVW_: thx16:04
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VW_howdy mdorman16:04
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VW_so, andyhky is here.  I don't think jlk has joined.  but that gives us at least one of the moderators at the midcycle16:05
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VW_andyhky: any over arching take aways from the discussion there16:05
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andyhkyThe discussion around pruning deleted instances brought this bug up: /
openstackLaunchpad bug 1226049 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance_system_metadata rows not being deleted" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj)16:06
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VW_did the group commit to any action around it, andyhky16:07
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VW_I know we are actually running a script here that purges deleted instance data older than 90 days16:09
andyhkyWe didn't have specific commitments, it was more of a discussion of issues (e.g., pruning, rabbit leaks) and best practices.16:09
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VW_I see there was quite a bit of discussion around adding/testing new hosts/nodes as well16:09
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klindgrenspeaking of which - does anyone have a solution to deploying to disabled hosts?16:10
klindgrenI thought that the --availability-zone az:host trick would work - but it doesn't :-/16:10
andyhkyWe had a discussion on recommending a disabled by default for a new compute node.16:11
andyhkyThe room seemed to want the default to change to disabled.16:11
belmoreiraklindgren: no16:11
VW_one of my engineers has a patch that will build to a disabled host if you target it specifically, klindgren16:11
VW_because the AZ thing didn't work for us either16:11
VW_let me see if I can find it16:11
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belmoreiraandyhky: is related. It proposes a disable reason by default16:12
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VW_any follow up items in general from the midcycle?16:15
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VW_or was it all just discussion on these particular topics16:15
andyhkyI think it's worth coming up with a recommendation on the status of new compute nodes16:16
VW_sounds fair16:16
VW_do we want that ahead of Vancouver16:16
VW_or do we want it on our agenda for there16:16
andyhkyI'll start a ML thread16:16
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VW_#action andyhky Start ML thread on status of a new compute node16:17
VW_cool - thanks, andyhky16:17
VW_I'm still looking for the patch I mentioned above16:17
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VW_any other items related to mid-cycle we want to dive into here16:18
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andyhkyI think that's enough from the mid-cycle16:18
VW_#topic Vancouver OPs meetup - LDT session16:18
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VW_so, we have like 3 hours I think at our disposal for a working group session(s)16:19
VW_let me verify16:19
VW_ok - not quite - about 2:2016:19
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VW_but 3 sessions16:20
VW_1:50 - 2:3016:20
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VW_2:40 - 3:2016:20
VW_and 3:30 - 4:1016:20
VW_I really think we need to come out of this one with a new blueprint, comments/reccomendations on exiting blueprints or something like that16:21
VW_that's my opinion, but I think the following comment on the planning etherpad is valid:16:21
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VW_"I like this group, too, but what real work would we do here?"16:22
VW_any of you have thoughts?16:22
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belmoreirayes, we need to have "procedure" to raise and share our "concerns"16:25
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VW_indeed.  It's hard because I know most of us are busy fighting fires and such that comes with running big clouds16:26
belmoreirabecause, after the summit how can developers will be notified about our ideas?16:26
belmoreiraI image that only very few will attend the ops sessions16:26
VW_of the devs?16:26
VW_sorry - just clarifying16:26
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belmoreirayes, sorry16:27
VW_so, proposal then:16:27
andyhkybelmoreira / VW_ - so with this compute node status change, I'm just going to propose a spec and see where it lands16:28
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VW_session 1:  Pull together all our thoughts on adding new hosts / managing capacity16:29
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VW_this would include new specs like andyhky's and comments from the group in the room on any others16:29
belmoreiraandyhky: great16:29
VW_session 2:  Find something from the cells v2 folks we can bring to the group and get them feedback on16:29
VW_session 3:  general business.  review meeting schedule, etc.  Find out how we can improve the processes, etc and make our group more influential16:30
andyhkyIf we have a discussion and it results in recommendations, we should have a spec owner and deliver the spec upstream16:30
VW_yeah, I'm thinking before we even leave the room, andyhky16:31
VW_if possible16:31
andyhkyThe spec owner is identified before leaving the room16:31
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VW_anyone have any issues with the rough schedule above then16:32
VW_with the requirement that we hold ourselves to turning all recommendations into specs or feedback on existing specs with an owner16:32
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klindgrensounds good to me16:34
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VW_cool - then I'll start working on the etherpad then16:35
VW_#action VW_ start updating etherpad for Vancouver with proposed session schedules16:35
VW_#action VW_ reach out to Cells V2 devs to find out an issue/spec we can working and provide feedback/specs16:36
VW_anything else folks want to discuss for Vancouver?16:36
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mdormansorry, a bit distracted here with standup meetings.   that all looks good to me for YVR16:37
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VW_in that case...16:37
VW_#topic Other Business16:37
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VW_The floor is open16:38
VW_anything else anyone wants to discuss?16:38
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VW_have any of you looked at this -
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mdormani kinda go back and forth whether this is a good long-term solution, but i think it’s one of those “it’s better than nothing” things16:41
VW_yeah, me too mdorman16:41
VW_johnthetubaguy: is spot on about not assuming the VMS are down16:41
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mdormani haven’t read the comments for the last few days, so haven’t seen that yet.16:41
VW_in our case the compute node is virtualized so a separate "node" than the host16:42
mdormangood discussion to have, nonetheless16:42
VW_I agree16:42
VW_that's why I thought I'd make more of this group aware :)16:42
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mdormanyup yup16:42
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belmoreiraI need to leave...16:43
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VW_but I get a little bi-polar about it too.  Probably because we have several automation services that we've built to handle down hosts so we can just have them mark the disabled bit for us16:43
VW_ok belmoreira16:43
VW_thanks for coming16:43
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VW_see you in Vancouver16:43
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johnthetubaguyVW: my main worry is that we need a long term plan really, before adding another band-aid16:43
VW_yeah, johnthetubaguy - I'm with you16:44
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johnthetubaguyVW_: totally agreed that its an important thing to sort out16:45
VW_yeah, johnthetubaguy that's why I wanted more of the LDT folks to at least be aware16:46
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johnthetubaguycool, sounds good16:46
VW_it sounds like we might make one our sessions in YVR focused on adding new hosts/capacity management16:46
VW_maybe we can work this one in too16:46
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VW_will be tight16:46
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klindgrenSo - we have been running the updates oslo.messaging16:47
klindgrenwith heartbeat stuff under juno code base16:47
klindgrenrabbit is much much much better16:47
VW_1.9, klindgren16:47
VW_oslo.messaging that is16:47
klindgreniirc 1.8.116:47
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VW_hmm - good to know.16:48
klindgrenyea 1.8.1 they pulled everything into that and cut a tag.16:48
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klindgrenWe had some major maintenace the other day that left some compute nodes network down for a long time16:49
klindgrenthey all recovered without issue16:49
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klindgrenno lost/hung rabbit rpc stuff - it all "just worked" within a few minutes of the network comming online16:49
VW_yeah, good to know16:49
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VW_we got hit with the issue the other day when a network device failed over and cut the connection between computes and rabit16:50
VW_rabbit even16:50
VW_so I'm all for getting that fix16:50
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VW_for those who don't know - here is a related link -
klindgrenyea - looking forward to the day when I have 99 problems and rabbitmq is not one.16:51
VW_message queues are hard, evidently16:51
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VW_ok, well we have a few minutes left16:52
VW_anything else?16:52
mdormani’m good16:53
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mdormanthanks for organizing VW_16:53
VW_my pleasure16:53
VW_thanks, to all of you, for helping us get a plan for YVR16:53
VW_want to make those sessions as productive as possible16:53
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VW_alright, well, I'll give everyone 5 minutes back16:54
VW_see you all in Vancouver!16:54
VW_thanks for joining today16:55
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dtroyercourtesy ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus2419:01
dtroyeranyone here for OpenStackClient meeting?19:02
sigmavirus24Thank you dtroyer19:02
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stevemarahoy hoy19:03
dtroyerok, let's go19:03
dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 16 19:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:03
dtroyerI threw some things into the agenda at this morning19:03
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dtroyerbut first I want to take care of something that should have been done a while ago19:04
dtroyerand add terrylhowe to the osc core team19:04
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* stevemar can now slack off19:06
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dtroyerTerry has put in a ton of work and reviews into OSC, and I want to say thanks for that and welcome19:07
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terrylhowethanks, I think I know generally what dtroyer is looking for with osc :)  I’ll try not ot aggrevate him too much19:08
dtroyerthat's what keeps me honest you know…19:08
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dtroyer#topic summit status19:09
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stevemardtroyer can use a little aggravation every now and then19:09
dtroyerI don't have anything specific here, and haven't even created an etherpad yet, but we should start thinking about how to use the sessions in Vancouver19:09
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dtroyerwe have one fishbowl for a large audience and one work-room or whatever they're called for the smaller get together19:10
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dtroyerthere's an empty etherpad to collect ideas and suggections19:12
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dtroyerif there are no comments we'll keep going19:13
dtroyer#topic reviews19:14
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stevemari thought we had a list already19:14
dtroyerreally?  it's been an odd couple of weeks and I didn't dig through the notes…19:14
stevemari'll dig through my history later19:14
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stevemarno biggie19:14
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dtroyeranyway, reviews:  I put on the agenda because that's a topic that has been getting attention elsewhere lately19:15
dtroyerthat is the —timing fix, also (defer imports) plays into this19:16
stevemardo we want to make a call on this now or wait til vancity to discuss?19:17
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dtroyer164091 is a bug fix, I don't think it needs to wait19:17
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dtroyerI personally don't mind doing the imports now, but if there is reluctance it can wait19:18
stevemardo we have any benchmarks on the defer imports fix?19:19
dtroyerI spent a bit of time with Boris' static import tool, profimp, and pinned down where we've been importing things unnecessarily19:19
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dtroyerI haven't posted the outcomes anywhere, probably should.  that patch gained about half a second on my mac oerall19:19
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dtroyerbut it also corrects the forced import of the client libs on every run.19:20
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dtroyerthat could be split up as its more of a design flaw fix19:20
stevemargive me a day to pull it down and play with it19:21
stevemarthat should be easy to verify19:22
stevemarthen devstack / infra guys will like that19:22
stevemarhalf second * 40ish calls19:22
stevemaror more19:22
dtroyerwe'll get better returns by re-working devstack a bit to do batches of osc calls.19:23
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dtroyerthere's also a coprocess scheme we could use but it'll take some tweaks to osc, we can talk about those next month19:23
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stevemar++ on batch calls19:24
dtroyeranyone else have any reviews they'd like to bring to our attention?19:24
stevemarcan't believe i didn't think of that earlier...19:24
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terrylhowehere documents for the batches?19:24
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dtroyerterrylhowe: yes.  there are issues when we need to capture an ID or something, but there are easy gains to be had there19:25
stevemari wouldn't mind talking about the image listing stuff19:25
dtroyerstevemar: go for it19:25
stevemarso i think my proposal (--limit), and terry's (actually handling the paging) can co-exist19:26
stevemarwe'll use terry's as default19:26
stevemarand if someone wants a limit, so be it19:26
dtroyeryes, I think they should19:26
terrylhoweIt’d technically be nice if all the list commands had limit/marker19:26
stevemardo we have a strategy for global options (like limit)19:26
stevemar++ terrylhowe19:27
dtroyerI wonder about the word 'limit' but that's a shed to paint, possibly later19:27
stevemarmy last comment was an open question19:27
dtroyerI would like to see all list commands have these options, even if we have to fake it locally on some19:27
dtroyeronce we get usable caching it might not be too terrible performance-wide to do repeated limited lists19:28
stevemarmaybe we can create a base List class and inherit from there19:28
stevemarcreate the parser/option in the base class19:28
stevemar(just thinking out loud)19:29
dtroyerit cold all be done in the layer below the command classes, the sort of thing I was aiming for in openstackclient.api.api19:29
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dtroyerthe object_store list functions already have a model for doing both, although its recursive and some folk don't like that19:30
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dtroyeranyway, can we start with the two proposals we have, fit them together and iterate outward form there?19:31
terrylhowethe support in the REST APIs is so varied19:31
stevemartheres also the service providers patch that i -2'ed19:31
stevemarwe need a newer version of ksc19:32
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dtroyerI had a note to ask if that's been released in ksc yet19:32
stevemarit has been19:32
dtroyerin stable/kilo?19:32
stevemarbut we need to keep our requirements in sync with g-r19:32
stevemari don't know, let me check19:33
stevemarfor upgrading in liberty:
stevemardtroyer, no, in stable/kilo it's still 1.1.0, for this new stuff we need 1.3.019:34
dtroyerwould it be possible/desirable to check version at run-time?19:34
stevemarnot worth it, i'd rather wait til g-r is updated19:35
stevemarand push this through when ksc is updated19:35
dtroyerthat's actually a general question that might help us deal with a variety of library versions and not have to wait all the time19:35
stevemarno one is clamoring for this19:35
dtroyerfor this review, I'm good with that19:35
stevemaryou are thinking that we could have something in place that fails gracefully?19:35
dtroyerI've wondered though about getting better at dealing with older libraries so we don't always have to wait for releases19:36
dtroyerit might not be worth the effort though19:36
stevemarwould be handy if it was a decorator or something19:36
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stevemarit basically calls to identity_client.something_dne or volume_client.something_else19:37
stevemarand those are failing19:37
stevemarshould be easy to check19:37
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stevemaradd it to the backlog!19:37
dtroyerit can wait behind the wait command ;)19:38
dtroyerok, any other reviews to talk about?19:38
dtroyer#topic bugs19:39
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed]19:39
dtroyerthis is really a process suggestion, I think stevemar's suggestion is workable19:40
dtroyerany dissenting comments or objections?19:40
stevemarwhat was my suggestion?19:41
dtroyerusing a tag in the commit message19:41
dtroyerthat's what I read anyway, did I miss?19:41
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stevemarright right19:42
terrylhowewe going to start removing deprecated options and such?19:42
stevemarno, thats what i meant, i just forget things19:43
stevemaryeah, when we're in a pinch19:43
stevemaror the server side changes19:43
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stevemarlike what happened with v3 service create19:43
dtroyerbut also marking when things change to find them later to follow up19:43
dtroyerI'm not sure where we should write this down, should we continue to put process stuff like this in the wiki?19:44
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terrylhoweanyone running super old versions of OS should probably use pinned clis anyway19:45
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stevemarsomewhere permanent thats for sure19:46
stevemari wouldn't mind the dev docs19:46
stevemarits my go-to19:46
stevemara section for backwards incompatible changes19:46
terrylhowe++ dev docs19:46
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit has been restarted to clear a problem with its event stream. any gerrit changes updated or approved between 19:14 and 19:46 utc will need to be rechecked or have their approval reapplied for zuul to pick them up19:47
dtroyerI wasn't sure about using that for project stuff though, but that'll work19:47
dtroyerstevemar: want to translate that bug to a doc proposal?19:47
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dtroyer#action stevemar translate bug 1406470 to a dev docs entry19:49
openstackbug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed]
stevemar#action stevemar to translate bug to doc page for tracking backwards incompat. changes19:49
stevemarbeat me to it!19:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1409218 in python-openstackclient "condense credentials (ec2, v3, compute)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar)19:50
dtroyerI really just have a question about continuing to target this to m9 release19:50
dtroyermaybe it isn't a high priority bug as we've pushed it at least once already19:51
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stevemardtroyer, someone just asked me about that yesterday19:52
stevemarand it's blocking them19:52
stevemarsince they can't use v2 option19:52
stevemarcause the user that is trying to do it is in a non-default domain19:53
dtroyerok, I'll leave it for now and we can look again in a week or two when we are hopefully preparing the next release19:53
stevemardtroyer, yeah, i might just have the keystone bits done :\19:54
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stevemarwe can split out the nova credential related stuff19:55
dtroyerthat works for me19:55
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dtroyerthe last three bugs we've already covered today so unless there is more there we'll move on19:55
dtroyer#topic blueprints19:56
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dtroyerthe only thing I wanted to say about was to point it out and get some feedback on if it might be a useful thing and measure priority.  comments in the bp work19:57
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stevemari don't recall this one19:57
dtroyerI just wrote it yesterday19:57
dtroyerthe use case is to not do polling loops in bash for things we can easily do liek we handle —wait now19:58
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terrylhowemight be nice to have a —failure option action append for statuses that are failures19:59
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terrylhowelooks very handy to me though19:59
dtroyerterrylhowe: add that to the bp?19:59
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dtroyerso with a minute left…20:00
dtroyer#open discussion20:00
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terrylhowenothing here20:01
dtroyerI've talked too much already, but I do want to say that I'm finding a home after the recent unpleasantness that will let me focus more on client stuff, not just osc.20:01
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stevemarwe're all happy to have you stick around osc and client land20:01
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dtroyerand thank you all for coming20:02
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wbhuberRegarding erasure code installation with Swift 2.3.0, I've been trying to deliver a patch on the swift installation (via SAIO) with the right pyeclib version.  I thought of moving the step 5 in "Getting the code" section before building a development installation of swift.  Do you have any concerns with this change?   My first try was to insert the python-pyeclib earlier in the doc, particularly the installing dependencies21:01
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wbhuber but that wouldn't have worked since it is an older version (1.0.5 vs 1.0.7).21:01
wbhuberThis was brought up during the swift meeting yesterday.21:01
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notmynamewbhuber: are you intending to be in the -meeting channel?21:02
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 16 22:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?22:00
mtreinish^^^ Today's agenda22:01
mtreinishdtroyer, jogo: around?22:01
jogomtreinish: sort of22:02
* andreaf lurks around 22:02
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mtreinishok, lets get started22:02
mtreinishit'll probably be a pretty quick meeting i guess22:02
mtreinish#topic Summit Session Brainstorm22:02
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mtreinishso I guess I left this on the agenda22:02
mtreinishalthough I really don't have anything to add on last week22:03
mtreinishoh wait, yes I do22:03
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mtreinishttx sent the numbers to the ML22:03
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mtreinishwe have 5 fishbowl sessions22:04
mtreinish4 work room slots22:04
mtreinishand a full day contributor meetup (shared with infra and relmgt)22:04
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mtreinishI'll put that on the brainstorming etherpad22:05
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mtreinishother than that I didn't have anything else to talk about summit topics22:06
mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else?22:06
mtreinishok, I'll take that as a no :)22:07
mtreinishlets move on22:07
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mtreinish#topic Spec Reviews22:07
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mtreinishdoes anyone have an open spec review to discuss?22:08
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andreafmtreinish: #link
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mtreinishandreaf: heh, failed sphinx :)22:08
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andreafmtreinish: this is something that I've been thinking about for a while, a YAML to describe test resources, which could also be used to provision them, all before testing - to solve various issues, like IDs in configuration, API calls for testscenarios, multiple guest images...22:09
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andreafmtreinish: yes I know didn't have time to fix that22:10
mtreinishok, yeah we've talked about doing that before22:10
andreafmtreinish: well I wouldn't mind a first impression comment from folks22:10
mtreinishI think it's probably a good idea22:10
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mtreinishI'll take a look at the spec soon22:10
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mtreinishI wrote some config docs this week so I know how crazy some of this stuff is22:11
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mtreinish(not the proposal, the current state of providing images and stuff to tempest)22:11
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andreafmtreinish: ok I will try to fix the spec to pass check22:12
mtreinishcool, thanks22:13
mtreinishok does anyone else have a spec proposal to discuss?22:13
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:14
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mtreinish#topic Blueprints22:14
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mtreinishdoes anyone have an in progress bps to discuss?22:14
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andreaflatest patches for ssh-auth-strategy: #link,n,z22:15
mtreinishcool, I'll take a look tomorrow22:16
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mtreinishalthough it looks like there is a -1 on the base patch22:16
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andreafand regarding, keystone folks started working on a v3 only devstack - which will enable progress when ready22:16
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andreafmtreinish: yes from afazekas22:17
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andreafmtreinish: it's about not catching exceptions at tearDown22:17
andreafapart from NotFound22:17
mtreinishah ok22:17
mtreinishI have an update this week too22:18
mtreinishon test-accounts-continued for tempest22:19
mtreinishthe network support for test accounts just landed22:19
mtreinishso all that's left are a few cleanup patches22:19
andreafmtreinish: ^_^22:19
mtreinishand the script to help automate setting up an accounts file22:19
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mtreinishthat tool will also let us start having experimental jobs for the accounts path22:20
mtreinishso I can finally abandon and
gmannmtreinish:  cool. it will be great to have gate job for account file.22:21
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mtreinishgmann: yeah it will. I it also raises the question about whether we should use accounts or tenant isolation for our gating jobs22:21
mtreinishand which one makes a better default22:22
gmannmtreinish: is there any plan to move non-isolated and new account job in check/gate pipeline instead of experimental22:22
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mtreinishgmann: well we can't gate on non-isolated because if there is no isolation it would have to be serial22:23
mtreinishwhich is too slow22:23
mtreinishbut I think we can make one with the accounts file check or gate22:23
gmannmake sense22:24
andreafmtreinish, gmann: we could even mix the two in a single job22:24
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mtreinishI also think in L we should start considering how we're going to deprecate the use of the identity config options for user and alt_user22:24
andreafmtreinish, gmann: each of them as benefits and potential to highlight issues22:24
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gmannandreaf: yea, fully agree22:25
andreafmtreinish: yes we should deprecated those somehow22:25
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andreafmtreinish: we should move away from having test resources in tempest.conf at all I think - only tempest behavioural settings22:26
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andreaffeatures on/off and so22:26
mtreinishandreaf: well I think after we tag tempest-4 we can start emitting a warning on their use22:26
mtreinishand send a ml post about it22:26
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mtreinishandreaf: yeah that's probably a fair approach22:27
andreafmtreinish: we can also produce a bit of code that builds a YAML file from those options if found, and drop the code path that supports them in conf22:27
mtreinishluckily most of the config file is already that way, it's just a few things like images and flavors that are in config22:27
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mtreinishandreaf: oh, you mean drop the NonLockingAccounts provider and just put a shim in place22:29
mtreinishyeah that's an idea too22:29
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on bps?22:29
mtreinishlet's move on then22:31
mtreinish#topic Devstack22:31
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mtreinishI don't think dtroyer is around22:31
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mtreinishso does anyone else have anything to discuss about devstack today?22:31
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mtreinishheh, I'll that as a no22:32
mtreinishso let's move on22:32
mtreinish#topic Grenade22:33
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mtreinishso this week sdague has been continuing on his refactor to make grenade more modular22:33
mtreinishand support external plugins22:33
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mtreinishI think he's pretty close to wrapping it up, which is awesome22:34
mtreinishall the patches are here:22:34
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mtreinishI didn't really have anything else to add on grenade22:35
gmannmtreinish: how about having ext plugin for tempest too?22:35
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mtreinishjogo: did you have anything else?22:35
jogomtreinish: nope22:35
mtreinishgmann: so tempest is a bit different, because it just uses unit test so it already is pretty modular22:35
mtreinishgmann: that's why we did tempest-lib22:36
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gmannmtreinish: i meand ext plugin for devstack22:36
mtreinishso there was an externally consumable interfaces for people to use so they can write tempest like tests22:36
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mtreinishgmann: oh, so write a plugin for devstack to configure tempest?22:36
mtreinishI'm not sure we really need that because that already lives in the devstack repo22:37
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gmannlike ec2API repo have22:37
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mtreinishgmann: sure, but isnt that what devstack's lib/tempest already does22:37
mtreinishI mean I guess we could refactor that to live in the tempest repo, but I'm not sure where the value is22:38
mtreinishbut maybe I'm missing something22:38
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gmannmtreinish: yes, thats why m also not sure about plan for ext plugin is for new repo only or moving existing one also.22:39
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mtreinishgmann: well that's what covers there is a set of things which will stay in devstack22:40
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mtreinishsome core services which includes tempest22:40
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mtreinishbut the rest which operate at a higher layer will be converted to plugins22:40
mtreinishthat's what I started to cover in:
gmannI see22:41
mtreinishok is there anything else on grenade?22:43
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mtreinishok lets move on then22:44
mtreinish#topic Bugs22:44
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mtreinishgmann: anything on bugs this week?22:44
mtreinishoh I had the rotation didn't I22:45
mtreinishoops, I forgot...22:45
gmannmtreinish: yea :)22:45
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mtreinishand it looks like we're back in double digits because of that22:45
mtreinishI'll go through the open bugs tonight or tomorrow then22:46
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mtreinishgmann: do you want to make another ML about another round of triage volunteers?22:46
gmannmtreinish: yea, I will add dates on etherpad and send ML22:46
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mtreinishwere there any particular bugs people wanted to discuss?22:47
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mtreinishok then let's move on22:48
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mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews22:48
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?22:49
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andreafthe cleanup after resource-cleanup22:49
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mtreinishok, I'll try to look at the most recent rev again soon22:50
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mtreinishthat's the start of a longish branch for some config docs22:50
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mtreinishI'd appreciate it if people could review them and let me know what I screwed up22:51
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mtreinishfeel free to add on the negative comments even if there are some, I'll try to do batch updates instead of reply to each individual review one by one22:51
mtreinishgmann: how close is that refactor to being finished?22:52
gmannafter 162875,  last patch i will update for schema cleanup22:52
mtreinishok, cool22:53
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gmannonly 2 lest #link,n,z22:53
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mtreinishok are there any other reviews to bring up?22:54
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mtreinishok then let's open the floor22:55
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion22:55
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mtreinishin the last 5 min does anyone have anything else to bring up?22:55
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andreafI was chatting with Stuart today22:56
andreaffrom the glance team - sorry I don't know his irc nick22:56
andreafabout testing of python-glanceclient22:56
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andreafatm most python clients are dsvm-src-(master|juno|icehouse) tests22:57
mtreinishoh moving the cli tests?22:57
mtreinishbecause someone needs to do that for glance still...22:57
andreafI know22:57
mtreinishandreaf: yeah to test the clients are working against any version of glance22:57
mtreinishbecause you should be able to use new glance client against an old cloud22:57
mtreinishalthough it's only really tested via devstack setup22:58
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mtreinishbut that just means that glance needs to start working on functional client tests22:58
andreafbut once we move CLI tests away from tempest we won't be testing that anymore22:58
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mtreinishwhich is a real gap22:58
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mtreinishandreaf: sure, but the migrated cli jobs are still dsvm, so they can setup stable jobs for them too22:58
mtreinishif that's what they're looking for22:59
andreafyes - only they need to setup juno and icehouse jobs for those22:59
mtreinishandreaf: we can take this to -qa since we're at ~30secs22:59
andreafand I havent seen anyone doing it22:59
mtreinishnot that I know of22:59
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mtreinishbut I think the first prio was to just get them spun up22:59
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mtreinishtbh, from what I can tell most people don't really think about the python-*clients much23:00
mtreinishanyway we're at time23:00
mtreinishthanks everyone23:00
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