| Rockyg | fyi: a tool that has already gotten some good press in OpenStack dev community: http://phabricator.org/ | 00:00 |
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| Rockyg | See if we can use for tracking projects | 00:00 |
| sarob | rockyg: still early | 00:00 |
| Shamail | Ill check it out Rockyg | 00:00 |
| Rockyg | thanks. | 00:00 |
| barrett | ditto | 00:00 |
| sarob | okay, sorry we didnt make it all the way thorugh | 00:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | i used trello cards | 00:01 |
| sarob | continue on the ML my friends | 00:01 |
| sarob | cheers | 00:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | thanks | 00:01 |
| Rockyg | this is sort of the direction the devs are heading now that storyboard is not moving fast enough | 00:01 |
| Shamail | NP, im glad! Its a first for us sarob | 00:01 |
| geoffarnold_ | bye | 00:01 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 00:01 |
| barrett | bye | 00:01 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:01 | |
| Shamail | Cya | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 00:01:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-15-23.00.html | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-15-23.00.txt | 00:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-15-23.00.log.html | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 08:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
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| Fdot_ | hello all :) | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Hello | 08:00 |
| * AJaeger waves | 08:00 | |
| ujuc_ | Hello | 08:00 |
| epico | Hello | 08:01 |
| loquacities | hi! | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, loquacities | 08:01 |
| Daisy | OK. Let's start. | 08:01 |
| loquacities | hi Daisy :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | #topic rst document translation discussion with doc team | 08:01 |
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| Daisy | Welcome AJaeger and loquacities from doc team. | 08:01 |
| * loquacities waves | 08:01 | |
| Daisy | And welcome ujuc_ from Korean team and Fdot_ from French team. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | I'm representative of Chinese translation team. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | epico is from Chinese too. | 08:02 |
| * AJaeger does the odd bit of German translation (10 strings this release only ;) | 08:03 | |
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| Daisy | ujuc_ and Fdot_ : do you need a background introduction of switching to rst document ? | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Yes, AJaeger is from German team. | 08:03 |
| Fdot_ | Daisy: that's ok :) | 08:04 |
| ujuc_ | that's ok too. | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | So you understand what we are talking about. | 08:04 |
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| Fdot_ | I have talked about it with gpocentek :) | 08:04 |
| Fdot_ | from doc team | 08:04 |
| Daisy | There have been several mails going back and through in our mailing list. | 08:04 |
| AJaeger | Fdot_, yeah, gpocentek is an RST expert ;) | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | So fristly, AJaeger , I would like to make sure the current doc toolchain could support our future improvement. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | Let's use a simple example. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | If I want to change :: at the end of an sentence to :, and change back, with auto tool, which files I could change ? | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | I mean, before uploading, I change :: to :, and after downloading, I change : to :: | 08:06 |
| Daisy | It's the simplest case. | 08:07 |
| AJaeger | We have tools/generatepot-rst.sh that creates the po files | 08:07 |
| AJaeger | And we can add transformations there any time | 08:07 |
| Daisy | can you share the link ? | 08:07 |
| AJaeger | second... | 08:07 |
| AJaeger | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/tools/generatepot-rst.sh | 08:07 |
| AJaeger | and for downloading, can do this either as part of the building process - see https://review.openstack.org/162424 | 08:08 |
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| AJaeger | or as part of the infra scripts http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/scripts/propose_translation_update_manuals.sh | 08:09 |
| AJaeger | But we have to be clever here, not every ":" should be converted to "::" etc. | 08:10 |
| loquacities | ^^ that's what i was thinking | 08:10 |
| AJaeger | So, the logic there needs to search for the original string and see whether we have "original::" and only then do the transformation | 08:10 |
| Daisy | Oh ? I didn't notice the exceptions while I was investigating the user guides. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | Only :: at the end of every string | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | should be changed. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Is that correct ? | 08:11 |
| Daisy | All :: at the end of the source strings | 08:11 |
| AJaeger | If you want to change those, you would change existing "::" in the source before uploading to ":" and then convert those translated strings that originally had a "::" back. | 08:12 |
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| Daisy | AJaeger: I don't quite understand why use :: ? | 08:12 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, I don't understand your question | 08:13 |
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| Daisy | Sorry | 08:13 |
| Daisy | The old source string in DocBook is: | 08:13 |
| Daisy | "To perform a hard reboot, pass the <parameter>--hard</parameter> parameter, as follows:" | 08:14 |
| Daisy | The new source strings in RST is: | 08:14 |
| Daisy | "To perform a hard reboot, pass the ``--hard`` parameter, as follows::" | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | Why this kind of changes happen ? | 08:14 |
| ujuc_ | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/user-guides/source/locale/user-guides.pot#n5497 | 08:14 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, the "::" is RST markup to have the text that *follows* written as code. | 08:15 |
| ujuc_ | this? | 08:15 |
| AJaeger | So, if the next line is for example a config file, we use "::" | 08:15 |
| AJaeger | IF the next time is some descriptive text, it would be a single ":" | 08:15 |
| Daisy | oh. Then it's easy to convert :: to :, but it's hard to convert back. | 08:16 |
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| Daisy | I understand. Thank you, AJaeger | 08:16 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, you need to check first the original string, should be a simple lookup. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | ok. Yes. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Thank you. | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | So based on AJaeger 's answers, I think, we could make the improvement if we want to in the future, by updating some scripts. But the logic is not easy, because when converting back, the original string need to be tested. | 08:18 |
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| Daisy | Let's move to next. | 08:19 |
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| ujuc_ | ok | 08:19 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/rst-markups | 08:19 |
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| Daisy | This page lists some markups in RST. | 08:20 |
| Daisy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006348.html | 08:20 |
| Daisy | This email contains more markups Olga Gusarenko added. | 08:20 |
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| Daisy | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/user-guides/source/locale/user-guides.pot | 08:20 |
| Daisy | This is the new pot file. | 08:20 |
| Daisy | ujuc_ and Fdot_ : please take a look at these markups and the new pot file, and let us know if you have any concerns. | 08:21 |
| Fdot_ | daisy ok :) | 08:21 |
| ujuc_ | ok | 08:21 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: :guilabel:`tab` | 08:22 |
| AJaeger | I imported the existing translations for End User Guide and Admin User Guide into the user-guides resource and also did some transformations, so we had 38 % of Japanese translated directly | 08:22 |
| Daisy | In this case, shall we translate tab ? | 08:22 |
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| Daisy | shall we translate *tab* into the local language as to :guilabel:`tab` ? | 08:23 |
| AJaeger | "tab" might be the label in Horizon, so it needs to be translated. | 08:23 |
| AJaeger | That was the case before already, just it was <guilabel>tab</guilabel> or somethign similar | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | Then how about this one: :term:`glossterm_name` ? | 08:25 |
| Daisy | do we need to translate *glossterm_name* ? | 08:25 |
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| AJaeger | That'S a reference to the glossary | 08:26 |
| AJaeger | It needs to match the glossary entry - like it did before | 08:26 |
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| AJaeger | So, if you translate "Compute" as key in the glossary to "Berechnen", then you need to translate the term here as well - like previously | 08:27 |
| Daisy | Now we don't have glossary translated yet. | 08:27 |
| Daisy | if the glossary is translated in the future, *glossterm_name* should be translated here. | 08:27 |
| AJaeger | Example: the Japanese team has 89 % of glossary translated | 08:27 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, correct. | 08:28 |
| Daisy | ok | 08:28 |
| Daisy | I think :menuselection:`Start > Programs` should be translated, but I want to check with you, AJaeger . | 08:28 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, whenever you come about these questions in the future, feel free to ask on openstack-docs mailing list | 08:29 |
| loquacities | +1 | 08:29 |
| AJaeger | Indeed, Daisy, those need to be translated the same way as it is in the GUI like horizon | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | Ok. I want to summarize them together, so the new comers won't bother you those questions. | 08:29 |
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| AJaeger | Daisy, sure! Document what you learn and ask again for feedback, we happily review. | 08:30 |
| Daisy | In DocBook, XML tags are clearly marked. Translators don't need to bother which should translate, which should not. RST is different way. | 08:30 |
| AJaeger | I agree it's important to know where translations need to match - like the glossary or the UI. | 08:30 |
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| AJaeger | Yes, DocBook XML tags can be easily identified. But don't you translate glossterm already? | 08:31 |
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| Daisy | Not all languages translate glossary. | 08:32 |
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| AJaeger | ok - but those that do have to keep this in mind already today | 08:32 |
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| Daisy | Yes, agree. I will document these down in that wiki page. | 08:33 |
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| AJaeger | Thanks, Daisy! | 08:34 |
| Daisy | ujuc_ and Fdot_ : any questions from you ? | 08:34 |
| AJaeger | Now I see why a special translators RST cheat sheet is needed | 08:34 |
| loquacities | yes, it's trickier than i realised! | 08:34 |
| Fdot_ | Daisy: not for me | 08:34 |
| ujuc_ | no ~ | 08:35 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: while translating, translators need to understand the meaning. This will help them translate. That's why I ask a lot of silly questions to you. | 08:36 |
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| AJaeger | Daisy, those are no silly questions. | 08:36 |
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| loquacities | Daisy: i am in australia, and will make sure i am in #openstack-translation for you, so you can ask questions | 08:37 |
| AJaeger | The implications of different markup for translation was not that clear to me before, so your questions helped me to learn as well | 08:37 |
| Daisy | Fdot_ and ujuc_ : you are OK to the rst document conversion now ? | 08:37 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, loquacities | 08:37 |
| loquacities | no problem | 08:37 |
| Fdot_ | Daisy: ok for me | 08:37 |
| Daisy | Thank you, Fdot_ | 08:38 |
| ujuc_ | ko | 08:38 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ujuc_ | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | I'm fine too. I will continue to improve the translators cheat sheet. | 08:38 |
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| AJaeger | Great! | 08:39 |
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| loquacities | that's great, Daisy :) | 08:39 |
| Daisy | If you meet with new mark ups, AJaeger, please add to the cheat sheet. | 08:39 |
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| Daisy | Same to you, loquacities, Fdot and ujuc_ . | 08:39 |
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| loquacities | will do :) | 08:39 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, will keep an eye out | 08:39 |
| Daisy | It will help the new comers easily to understand the situation. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | Ok. great ! | 08:40 |
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| Daisy | any more questions? comments ? | 08:40 |
| loquacities | i think i understand the issues better now, so thank you :) | 08:40 |
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| AJaeger | So, do I - thanks! | 08:40 |
| Daisy | Thank you, AJaeger and loquacities to come. | 08:41 |
| loquacities | most welcome | 08:41 |
| Daisy | We will move to next topic. | 08:41 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, feel free to invite us again any time you have doc questions. | 08:41 |
| Daisy | #topic Final push on Horizon translation | 08:41 |
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| Daisy | sure, AJaeger . I will. | 08:41 |
| Daisy | I will catch you in IRC. I will bother you too, loquacities, if i cannot find AJaeger . | 08:41 |
| loquacities | no problem at all :) | 08:42 |
| AJaeger | You're welcome! | 08:42 |
| Daisy | amotoki sent email to our mailing list. | 08:42 |
| loquacities | i am probably in a better time zone for you, too ;) | 08:42 |
| Daisy | Horzion is string freeze now. | 08:42 |
| Daisy | The date to push Horizon translation is April 23. | 08:42 |
| Daisy | So we have to finish them by April 22. | 08:43 |
| Daisy | I see most languages have good progress. | 08:43 |
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| Daisy | Just two languages might have trouble. | 08:43 |
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| Daisy | Spanish and Polish | 08:43 |
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| Daisy | I will broadcast the email to a more broad mailing list and get more people's help. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | That's all for this topic. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussions | 08:44 |
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| Daisy | Any topics to talk ? | 08:45 |
| ujuc_ | i not | 08:45 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ujuc_ | 08:45 |
| Daisy | if no, I will close the meeting. | 08:45 |
| Daisy | ok. Let's close it. | 08:46 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 08:46 |
| loquacities | thanks Daisy :) | 08:46 |
| Daisy | thank you, loquacities | 08:46 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 08:46:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-16-08.00.html | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-16-08.00.txt | 08:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-16-08.00.log.html | 08:47 |
| AJaeger | thanks, Daisy! | 08:47 |
| Daisy | Thank you, AJaeger | 08:47 |
| ujuc_ | Thanks :) | 08:47 |
| ujuc_ | bye bye :) | 08:47 |
| epico | Thanks | 08:47 |
| loquacities | o/ | 08:47 |
| Daisy | Thank you for attending, ujuc_ and epico | 08:47 |
| ujuc_ | lol :) | 08:47 |
| epico | Welcome :) | 08:47 |
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| Fdot__ | Daisy: sorry i lost my connexion | 08:49 |
| Fdot__ | But i had one question | 08:50 |
| Daisy | It's OK, Fdot__ | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Fdot__: we can go to #openstack-translation | 08:50 |
| Fdot__ | Daisy: ok | 08:50 |
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| bauzas | tik tak ? | 14:00 |
| n0ano | bauzas, we say `tick tock' :-) | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:01 |
| bauzas | n0ano: :) | 14:01 |
| edleafe | bauzas: https://www.google.com/search?q=tic+tac&client=ubuntu&hs=pKm&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=u8AvVfK3CoWiNueng6AJ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1383&bih=932 | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 14:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:02 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:02 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:02 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| * bauzas waves officiallyu | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:02 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic kilo release status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have RC1 out the door | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have master open for liberty | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but there are some bloopers we need to fix | 14:03 |
| gilliard | o/ | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | and RC2 is being triggered | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we need to look at what *really* needs to be in there | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the current plan is to add *possible* candidates here: | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 14:03 |
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| ndipanov | o/ | 14:04 |
| sahid | o/ | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I believe ttx is going to help review that list tomorrow, to see what we push into RC2 | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so if you have strong views, please do add comments to the bugs | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: any idea *when* shipping RC2 ? | 14:04 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so about an hour ago I discovered this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1445021 - which seems like it might need to add to that list | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445021 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-compute does not start after upgrade from juno->kilo if there are boot from volume servers running" [Critical,New] | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 14:05 |
| dansmith | that one is bad | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info for really bad bugs you want into RC2 please tag with kilo-rc-potential https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 I added a tag | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: honestly, thats worth delating RC2 to get a fix in | 14:05 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, if we can figure out what the fix is | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good point | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean we can wait until monday, I believe, but will have to check | 14:06 |
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| ndipanov | sdague, I think I know what the fix could be | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: to answer your question, it happens sometime after today, when we are happy with the list of things we have | 14:07 |
| bauzas | would it be possible to see with logstash when it happened ? | 14:07 |
| ndipanov | let me propose something | 14:07 |
| sdague | ndipanov: ok | 14:07 |
| ndipanov | sdague, but let's talk after the meeting | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools, good stuff | 14:07 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah my question was before sdague's point which is totally valuable | 14:07 |
| sdague | bauzas: no, this is discovered in a new test | 14:07 |
| bauzas | ah | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, any more things on kilo? | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | so this code has been like that for a long time, and I am really surprised that it worked | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | but let me comment on the bug - disregard me | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | … time for more tests, tests are good | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic liberty release status | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so we are open for liberty | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its time to upload nova-specs | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | its time to review them too | 14:09 |
| bauzas | planning a review day ? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ping me if there is any process confusion, and I can try answer "what do I do next?" | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I have a spec question | 14:09 |
| bauzas | like last cycle ? | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: possible, I am keen for one before the summit, if thats feasible | 14:09 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I put this in open discussion but I'll ask it here: we need to move to using the oslo.versionedobjects library this cycle.. do we need a spec for that, or is it straightforward enough for just a bp? | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats a good question | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am OK with that been spec-less | 14:10 |
| bauzas | dansmith: sounds like the code is nearly the same right ? | 14:10 |
| sdague | dansmith: I think just a bp | 14:10 |
| bauzas | dansmith: I briefly looked at it and found very few diffs | 14:10 |
| dansmith | it's very close.. we have some changes we have to make, and more just transition code to make it seamless | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to track it, so lets just have a bp | 14:10 |
| dansmith | okay | 14:10 |
| sdague | I'm not sure there is anything that really needs discussing | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:10 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | so on specs, | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | previously-approved: kilo | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | is a really handy git commit tag to fast approve from kilo -> liberty | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so other things... | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is likely to be a change on how we use milestones | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | working with ttx on what we do there | 14:12 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+is:open+message:%22previously%22,n,z | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, more likely just to use milestones to tell people when it happened | 14:12 |
| dansmith | which is kinda what happens now :) | 14:12 |
| dansmith | i.e. punt from milestone to milestone until it's done :) | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, :) | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its basically adminiting defeat | 14:13 |
| dansmith | at least we're honest :) | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | feels better | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | and its much less faffing about | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its time to start getting suggestions for summit discussion put in the etherpads | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are places for cross-project ones too (see ML message) | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | more on that soon I suspect | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would love to see nova-specs for the features people want to discuss, to try avoid usless sessions that could just be a spec discussion | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but thats all | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on process? | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:15 | |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, I won't be at the summit this time - but I feel the last thing on the priorities list is kind of my area | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | how is the gate doing, nova wise? | 14:16 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, any ideas how I can still get some feedback on that (ML?) | 14:16 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: seems pretty solid | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: we will do a spec thingy again for priorities, so there should be space to comment without being at the design summit | 14:16 |
| ndipanov | sorry to go back to the previous topic | 14:16 |
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| ndipanov | ok | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: can we punt that till open discussion, sorry moved on too quickly, but yes, ML is good too | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything more on bugs? | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: just in the bug section if you have anything | 14:17 |
| mriedem | nada | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 14:18 |
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| dansmith | oops | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have a few notes on the agenda to go first... | 14:18 |
| dansmith | I put my items under review requests | 14:18 |
| dansmith | didn't mean to | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so there are some review requests | 14:18 |
| dansmith | done | 14:18 |
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| kashyap | mriedem: You might want to mention you've got the offending test from live snapshot bug passing w/ the experimental Fedora job :-) | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | hi, Improve performance of unshelve api - https://review.openstack.org/135387 | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/160658 https://review.openstack.org/170031 https://review.openstack.org/135387 | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | those folks request reviews | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure any are "stuck" | 14:19 |
| dansmith | none of these are stuck, IMHO | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:19 |
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| abhishekk | @all, since liberty is open for review, could you please give feedback on specs when you get time | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | abhishekk: please email mikal about removing his -2, if that doesn't happen quickly, but yes, we are reviewing the specs now | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: your note about flavor stuff? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | yeah, so, | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | one juno bug I backported - since it's a tricky backport - wanted to get attention of people who are also on nova-stable-maint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173226/ | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | johnthetubaguy: sure thing | 14:20 |
| sdague | abhishekk: but realize that spec review bw is low until the release crtiical bugs get sorted | 14:20 |
| dansmith | in kilo we moved flavor stuff from sysmeta to the instance extra blob | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | tricky as in - had to backport a bunch of code to make it work | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | sdauge: i understand | 14:21 |
| dansmith | and we provided a command in nova-manage to push those migrations | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thanks good point | 14:21 |
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| dansmith | the flavor compat code is complicated and we should drop it as soon as possible.. so what I want to poll for is: can we do that now? | 14:21 |
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| dansmith | and just say "to move from kilo to lemming you have to have done all those migrations first" ? | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I vote "yes" | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: is it simple to log a warning if you spot un-migrated flavors for a release after we drop the translation code? | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | or is that just silly | 14:21 |
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| ndipanov | I vote yes! | 14:22 |
| dansmith | but I also feel like we probably need a way to either block the first lemming db migration on a check, or something | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, I am +1 the vote yes | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, I like that | 14:22 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: not really, if we drop the compat code and they haven't migrated, then we'll fail to be able to load flavor info for the instance | 14:22 |
| dansmith | which is, like, bad | 14:22 |
| dansmith | so, we could do two things: | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | put in a DB migration to check the nova-manage command has been run, and then remove the compat code, sounds good | 14:22 |
| dansmith | 1. When the first lemming db migration hits, just augment it with an unrelated check | 14:22 |
| dansmith | 2. Make the first migration an empty shell that just checks and fails, but otherwise does no actual migration | 14:23 |
| sdague | yeh, that seems like 2 db migrations right? | 14:23 |
| sdague | yeh, I like #2 | 14:23 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: right, that's my 2 | 14:23 |
| dansmith | cool, me too | 14:23 |
| sdague | a dummy check migration | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I like that | 14:23 |
| mriedem | sounds like the instance.uuid thing i had | 14:23 |
| dansmith | excellent, I'll make it so | 14:23 |
| sdague | dansmith: we get to do a db drop after that? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | fails if you don't run the script | 14:23 |
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| dansmith | sdague: a db drop? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we might want to make it a general patten and document "stuff we do just after we open liberty" like adding those dummy db migrations? | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sounds like part of relnotes ? | 14:24 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, agreed, I was just about to say: we should make this a pattern/precedent | 14:24 |
| sdague | dansmith: oh, never mind, I was thinking we got to get rid of some tables / colums in the process as well | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: we didn't remember system_metadata right? | 14:24 |
| dansmith | sdague: nope, this was all metadata | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I am thinking dev not users, but yes, that too | 14:24 |
| sdague | doesn't this drop a flavor reference though? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds good | 14:25 |
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| dansmith | sdague: no | 14:25 |
| sdague | never, mind, I'll look later | 14:25 |
| dansmith | ping me and we can discuss | 14:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, devs would face the db migration failure, so that's fine I guess :) | 14:25 |
| bauzas | since when, devs are looking at devref ? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I was thinking more general, just having a note of stuff to do at the start and end of each release | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | just a tick box | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 14:25 |
| bauzas | ih | 14:25 |
| bauzas | oh | 14:26 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: the next thing on the agenda was my question about the spec for o.vo, so we can skip that now | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, yes, cool | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so nova-stable-maint | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | who raised that one? | 14:26 |
| ndipanov | me | 14:26 |
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| * dansmith bets mriedem | 14:26 | |
| dansmith | oh | 14:26 |
| mriedem | me | 14:26 |
| ndipanov | probably him | 14:26 |
| ndipanov | then | 14:26 |
| mriedem | nova-stable-maint needs fixing i think | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | it's mostly non-cores and people that aren't actively involved in nova | 14:27 |
| mriedem | so i get pretty frustrated about trying to get backports reviews for stable in nova | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yes, very good point | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i don't like begging for reviews | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | but when the gate has problems it has to happen | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we did talk about this before, and decided against just adding all of nova-core | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | i'm particularly interested in stable for two reasons, | 14:27 |
| dansmith | yeah, stable takes a little more care | 14:27 |
| mriedem | 1. gate | 14:27 |
| dansmith | because there are other rules | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: do we need to get more folks to offer help, and remove the inactive folks? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | 2. i'm involved in stable maint internally for nova | 14:28 |
| dansmith | I think step one is adding mriedem to this list | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'm offering to help here | 14:28 |
| mriedem | if that's not obvious | 14:28 |
| dansmith | but I think there are rules about that | 14:28 |
| sdague | right, put mriedem in the +2 list for sure | 14:28 |
| dansmith | i.e. I don't know if I'm allowed to do it | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, +1 to miedem being added | 14:28 |
| dansmith | when I was added, | 14:28 |
| sdague | basically I think the point is that people that want to help and are nova core, should be added | 14:28 |
| dansmith | I had a little intro from the stable people | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | is this a PTL thing or stable core thing? | 14:28 |
| dansmith | any of us can add him, | 14:29 |
| sdague | I'm not sure that all of nova core add is a great idea | 14:29 |
| dansmith | but I thought it was a stable core thing | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | it should be a stable core decision | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | since the review rules are different | 14:29 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I can ping ttx when we sort out RC2 I guess | 14:29 |
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| dansmith | I will talk to adam_g and apevec today to see if we can quick-add mriedem | 14:29 |
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| sdague | yeh, I think, honestly, it would just be good to get someone to write down the policy hoops to add folks | 14:30 |
| dansmith | surely we can drop people on our own though, right? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think you can add him as well? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | ok, and i think we need to prune the list | 14:30 |
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| dansmith | sdague: it might be written down | 14:30 |
| sdague | dansmith: I am unconvinced that it is, it's been a bit fluid | 14:30 |
| dansmith | sdague: well, I thought I saw it at one point | 14:30 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Stable_branch_policy | 14:30 |
| dansmith | but it's entirely possible that it's out of date too | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | there should be things linking from that wiki | 14:30 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Team_organization | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Project-specific_teams | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:31 |
| dansmith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Joining_the_Team | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 14:31 |
| mriedem | "Those groups are managed by stable-maint-core, names are added after the suggestion of the Stable Branch CPL." | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | CPL? | 14:31 |
| sdague | CPL ? | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | Cross Project Liaison | 14:31 |
| bauzas | I guess | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is that? | 14:31 |
| dansmith | mriedem: what pruning would you do to the list? | 14:31 |
| sdague | nova is supposed to nominate folks for that | 14:32 |
| dansmith | there are non-cores on there already, which makes it weird | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we just use the review count for now | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | as a start | 14:32 |
| mriedem | dansmith: naming names? | 14:32 |
| sdague | dansmith: yeh, honestly, I'd drop | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | vishy? | 14:32 |
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| sdague | Russell Bryantrbryant@redhat.com | 14:32 |
| sdague | Vish Ishayavishvananda@gmail.com | 14:32 |
| sdague | garykgkotton@vmware.com | 14:32 |
| sdague | p-draigbradyP@draigBrady.com | 14:32 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/540,members | 14:32 |
| mriedem | i'd drop vishy, russellb and pixelb probably | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | garyk and claudiub probably do the most reviews on nova stable | 14:33 |
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| sdague | I'm not sure why claudio is there either | 14:33 |
| sdague | ok | 14:33 |
| dansmith | it's weird that those two are on there | 14:33 |
| sdague | yeh, agreed | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | claudiub: was cross project stable before the project split | 14:33 |
| mriedem | so was garyk | 14:33 |
| mriedem | so they are legacy | 14:33 |
| dansmith | right | 14:33 |
| sdague | mriedem: well, they can come back in via stable-maint-core | 14:33 |
| dansmith | but seems weird for them to be in the -nova list if they should be on -core | 14:33 |
| sdague | if that's the right place | 14:33 |
| dansmith | yeah, that | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | yeah idk who decided on that list | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | after the big split | 14:34 |
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| dansmith | so, I will hunt down apevec or adam_g today, and I can ask them about drops whilst about adding mriedem | 14:34 |
| sdague | yay for legacy with no audit trail | 14:34 |
| mriedem | there is probably a trail in the ML | 14:34 |
| mriedem | i don't care enough :) | 14:34 |
| mriedem | anyway, sounds like we have an action | 14:35 |
| dansmith | aye | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | #action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, sounds like we know who we need to talk to to get an answer | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: dansmith: thanks for raising this | 14:35 |
| bauzas | mriedem: not sure it works, you're not chair | 14:35 |
| mriedem | meh | 14:36 |
| dansmith | bauzas: sshh let him think he did something | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | irc://localhost:9011/#action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | arg... | 14:36 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | copy/paste fail | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action dansmith to talk to adam_g and apevec about nova stable maint core | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lol | 14:36 |
| bauzas | : | 14:36 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:36 |
| dansmith | guess we know what port to attack johnthetubaguy's laptop at summit | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :) | 14:36 |
| dansmith | are we done? | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think almost | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | one more crazy idea | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so stable list seems to get a bit stale | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | would giving them the task of driving the post Feature freeze bug fixing be totally crazy, like we never close master for features? | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that could mean way too many backports, of course | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but might give stable more "practice" and keep the group active… | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, but criteria is different for pending release and stable for sure | 14:38 |
| dansmith | I'm not sure I understand, but maybe that sounds like a process-affecting summit talk? | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we are done | 14:39 |
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| sdague | yeh, there is a whole issue about when handoff happens, but ttx needs to be in the middle of that | 14:39 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, agreed | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | he has good intuition on this stuff | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, happy bug fixing and tagging | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 14:40:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-16-14.01.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-16-14.01.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-16-14.01.log.html | 14:40 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 15:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:00 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| gordc | quorum. | 15:02 |
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| gordc | let's start :) | 15:02 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:02 |
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| gordc | #topic kilo-rc requests/bugs | 15:02 |
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| gordc | i think we currently have one patch proposed for rc2... | 15:03 |
| gordc | i don't know if anyone else has a bug they've found that they'd like to have in kilo? | 15:03 |
| gordc | (haven't seen any in launchpad) | 15:03 |
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| * cdent nopes | 15:04 | |
| eglynn | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 15:04 |
| eglynn | nada | 15:04 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | tagging with kilo-rc-potential is the signal if you've got something you want to raise up as a candidate for rc2 | 15:04 |
| gordc | ^ that will help a lot | 15:05 |
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| gordc | April 30 is the release date. obviously, bringing blockers up early is better. | 15:05 |
| gordc | next? | 15:06 |
| gordc | next | 15:06 |
| gordc | #topic kilo release notes | 15:06 |
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| gordc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo | 15:06 |
| gordc | i've added a few items that i can remember we added this cycle. | 15:06 |
| gordc | please have a look and see if there's something important you think we should highlight | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | mention tech-preview gnocchi integration? | 15:07 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: good point. was going to action item that for jd__ | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | cool | 15:07 |
| ildikov | gordc: I wonder if I should mention there the Event description in OS Manuals that we have finally and maybe in the same time we could clean up the dev docs part if that is needed? | 15:08 |
| gordc | jd__: deflected :) | 15:08 |
| jd__ | gordc: ack | 15:08 |
| gordc | ildikov: i guess we can add a link to event part? | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | gordc: ok, I will do that | 15:08 |
| gordc | eglynn: is the page generally just pushed to ops list? | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | anyone can edit the release notes or it's just the PTL's privilege? | 15:09 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: anyone can edit | 15:09 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: anyone, it's on the wiki | 15:09 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: good point... please don't tell me to edit! | 15:09 |
| eglynn | are we missing anything else from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/kilo ? | 15:09 |
| ildikov | llu-laptop: you only need to sign in to the wiki | 15:09 |
| eglynn | e.g. the hyper-v stuff | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | got that thx, might add something tommorrow | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | gordc: I've just mentioned Gnocchi as a new dispatcher in those release notes | 15:10 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: btw, do we have description of partition coordinator for agents in docs, for HA? I didn't find it and thinking of writing it | 15:10 |
| gordc | eglynn: right. i'll add that. i guess a simple 'added more metrics for hyper-v' is suffice? | 15:10 |
| eglynn | yeah, I think so | 15:10 |
| gordc | eglynn: cool cool. | 15:11 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: i think we do... at least a blurb about it | 15:11 |
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| ildikov | _nadya_: there is in the Admin guide | 15:11 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: aha, will find there, thanks a lot! | 15:12 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: not sure about the dev docs at the moment | 15:12 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i might try creating a diagram relating to that... but it might be more for dev docs | 15:12 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_telemetry-cetral-compute-agent-ha.html | 15:12 |
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| gordc | ildikov: any help needed on cleaning up existing docimpacts from kilo? | 15:13 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: don't worry, I was going to do it by myself :) | 15:13 |
| ildikov | gordc: I agree, it seems a detail that should go to the dev docs on the first place and I also agree it would nice to have, so thanks in advance :) | 15:13 |
| gordc | _nadya_: kk | 15:13 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: great! | 15:14 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I will double check, it mostly should be fine | 15:14 |
| gordc | ildikov: cool cool | 15:14 |
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| ildikov | gordc: the configuration update is already done | 15:14 |
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| ildikov | gordc: do you have anything in mind for install guide that we haven't covered already? | 15:15 |
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| gordc | ildikov: not currently. i'll probably give another read through in next few days | 15:15 |
| ildikov | gordc: the other docs are not versioned yet, these are the two first priority... | 15:15 |
| ildikov | gordc: cool, sounds good, thanks! | 15:15 |
| gordc | for those interested: http://docs.openstack.org/, search telemetry, see if it makes sense. :) | 15:16 |
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| gordc | #topic gnocchi updates | 15:16 |
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| gordc | i think i deleted the previous floating topic by accident... but jd__, any updates? | 15:16 |
| sileht | history have been landed | 15:17 |
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| sileht | archive policy rules too | 15:17 |
| gordc | \o/ | 15:17 |
| cdent | \o/ indeed | 15:17 |
| prad | yep ap rules landed | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | prad is working on gnocchi packaging for Fedora, should make it more consumable :) | 15:18 |
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| sileht | we have etag for resources :) | 15:18 |
| gordc | are there docs we can point to from release notes (in case people want to test)? | 15:18 |
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| * gordc does not understand packaging. | 15:18 | |
| sileht | I have retested the integration with ceilometer and devstack | 15:18 |
| sileht | everything seems work out of the box | 15:19 |
| eglynn | is this up-to-date ... http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:19 |
| prad | yea packaging coming along, should have something soon installable soon (even if its from copr) untile fedora reviews | 15:19 |
| jd__ | I'm trying to realease 1.0.0rc1 | 15:19 |
| eglynn | gordc: ^^^ re. docs question | 15:19 |
| jd__ | I'm having some permission issue on Gerrit I've sent a patch on infra for that | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: no it's on 18592421 | 15:19 |
| jd__ | err | 15:20 |
| jd__ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/gnocchi/ | 15:20 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah. i think we'll probably need a 'using it with devstack' part later | 15:20 |
| eglynn | a-ga, cool | 15:20 |
| eglynn | a-*ha :) | 15:20 |
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| gordc | nm i see it | 15:20 |
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| gordc | jd__: cool stuff, we should add that to release notes | 15:20 |
| jd__ | I've deleted the readthedoc project | 15:20 |
| jd__ | well at least I've clicked the DELETE button | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | no stale doc online! | 15:21 |
| gordc | request google to stop showing it | 15:21 |
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| gordc | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | I think that's all | 15:22 |
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| gordc | #topic ceilometerclient release | 15:22 |
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| gordc | i made a 1.1.0 release for Liberty. it will include everything that's merge as of a few hours ago | 15:22 |
| gordc | anything between 1.0.13 and 1.1.0 needs to be backported to stable/kilo so if you have anything important, start backporting | 15:23 |
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| prad | gordc, i did a few from your list | 15:23 |
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| prad | i think we have a couple more left, i should have those soon i think | 15:23 |
| gordc | i believe the rule going forward is if a requirements patch is merged, we should probably bump the minimum version number and make a release | 15:24 |
| gordc | prad: thanks! | 15:24 |
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| gordc | i don't think there's much to talk about this so onto summit talk! | 15:24 |
| gordc | #topic summit session proposals | 15:24 |
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| gordc | i created a link for proposal: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlEe75uZc5faytpvIMPrQdViOOsRLnfeThk_Rp_lIvI/edit#gid=0 | 15:25 |
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| gordc | let me know if you can't edit it... honour system in place so don't randomly delete stuff. | 15:25 |
| ildikov | gordc: I added a placeholder session there, so it is editable | 15:26 |
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| gordc | eglynn: you have the list of session spaces handy? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | gordc: how about we change "Topic for Friday?" column to "Session type (fishbowl/working/meetup)" | 15:27 |
| ildikov | cdent: now you can edit the document, you will not be the first one ;) | 15:27 |
| cdent | :) | 15:27 |
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| gordc | eglynn: sounds good | 15:27 |
| eglynn | gordc: 2 fishbowl, 8 working sessions, 1/2 day meetup on Friday | 15:27 |
| * gordc copy/pasted blindly | 15:27 | |
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| gordc | so i guess we have quick a bit of time reserved so if you want face to face time, the summit will be a good time. | 15:28 |
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| ildikov | gordc: when do we plan to close the proposals? | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: usually the near-final list is needed for sched.org about a week in advance | 15:29 |
| gordc | ildikov: good question... i hadn't thought that far.lol let's follow the cutoff from last cycle | 15:29 |
| eglynn | ildikov: so we'll need to be voting/deciding at least 2 week out from summit | 15:30 |
| ildikov | eglynn: cool, thanks for the update | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | I wonder where it could be placed on the google docs to inform those, who plan to propose a session | 15:30 |
| gordc | so i guess aim for your proposals to be summitted within next two week so we have time to vote. | 15:31 |
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| gordc | ildikov: let's tentatively set May 4 as cut off | 15:31 |
| ildikov | gordc: cool, sounds good to me | 15:31 |
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| gordc | but again earlier the better. | 15:32 |
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| gordc | in regards to submissions | 15:32 |
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| gordc | keeping on topic of summit | 15:32 |
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| gordc | #topic ops-related ceilometer summit session | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah maybe do a first round of voting/discussion at the meeting on April 30th? | 15:32 |
| gordc | eglynn: sounds good | 15:33 |
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| ildikov | a bit close but ok | 15:33 |
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| gordc | ildikov: should be ok... lights a fire. | 15:33 |
| ildikov | so I added a placeholder session to discuss the outcome of the ops session | 15:33 |
| gordc | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-April/006730.html | 15:34 |
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| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup | 15:34 |
| ildikov | gordc: LOL :), from that PoV you're right | 15:34 |
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| gordc | there's an op session set for discussing ceilometer (and gnocchi) | 15:34 |
| gordc | on Tuesday 12:05 - 12:45 | 15:34 |
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| gordc | it's for developers to ask ops questions and vice versa | 15:35 |
| eglynn | we need someone to moderate the ops feedback session | 15:35 |
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| ildikov | yeap, just wanted to point it out | 15:35 |
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| gordc | don't all fight over opportunity to moderate. | 15:36 |
| ildikov | also somehow we need to balance in oder to get as many feedback as we can, but also answer questions or address issues we can | 15:36 |
| ildikov | ... like we have now Gnocchi, etc. ... | 15:36 |
| cdent | moderate _at_ the ops session or in our own meeting to think about it? | 15:37 |
| gordc | cdent: _at_ the ops session | 15:37 |
| eglynn | cdent: wot gordc said | 15:37 |
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| cdent | I can't: speaking right before | 15:37 |
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| gordc | cool cool | 15:38 |
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| cdent | but would otherwise like to be sure to be there as I think it is likely one of the more important things happening all week | 15:38 |
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| gordc | well aside from moderating, if you have questions to ask ops (ie. how they use ceilometer, what they find useful) please think about it before hand | 15:38 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: i don't know if you have any items to add? | 15:38 |
| jasonamyers | not at the moment | 15:39 |
| eglynn | proposal: all cores for both ceilo & gnocchi who are travelling to Vancouver try to be present at the ops session | 15:39 |
| eglynn | what say ye? | 15:39 |
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| jasonamyers | I've been tasked a get more involved in code for ceilometer starting at the summit so I'm looking forward to that | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: +infinite | 15:39 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: cool cool. | 15:40 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: +1 | 15:40 |
| ildikov | eglynn: this is the most important session on the summit | 15:40 |
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| ildikov | feedback is priceless and we also need some marketing, from which PoV the support on the ops session is importatnt too IMHO | 15:40 |
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| gordc | 'need some marketing' /me puts on suit from linked profile | 15:41 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:42 |
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| ildikov | gordc: if you do, then you can moderate the session too ;) | 15:42 |
| cdent | Yeah, as much as marketing terminology makes me want to vomit, there does seem to be a need to do a bit brand management. | 15:42 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i'll need to shine my shoes... after i buy some shoes. | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | gordc: LOL :) | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | cdent: sorry for the word, couldn't find any better | 15:43 |
| gordc | i don't have anything else on this... so... | 15:44 |
| cdent | ildikov: you are right | 15:44 |
| ildikov | cdent: but I hope you still got my point | 15:44 |
| cdent | I was agreeing with you | 15:44 |
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| ildikov | cdent: okok, got it now, too many meeings in a row... :S | 15:45 |
| gordc | so basically come with questions and answers... the session is meant to go both ways. | 15:45 |
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| gordc | #Open discussion | 15:45 |
| eglynn | gordc: excellent point! | 15:45 |
| gordc | ...well that's not how you use it apparently | 15:46 |
| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | anyone done any testing with tokumx? | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | (as a higher perf drop-in replacement for mongodb) | 15:46 |
| prad | eglynn, i played around with it after you mentioned | 15:46 |
| prad | eglynn, obviously dint test it at scale | 15:46 |
| * eglynn would love to see some hard data on how ceilo performance against it | 15:47 | |
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| gordc | eglynn: is this equivalent to mariadb to mysql? | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | ... my kingdom for a realistic pre-prod env ;) | 15:47 |
| ildikov | eglynn: unfortunately not, as I had to check in Google, what this is :) | 15:47 |
| eglynn | gordc: I think it's a close equivalent, yes | 15:47 |
| ildikov | gordc: at least sounds like | 15:48 |
| gordc | 90% reduction in size?!?! | 15:48 |
| sileht | eglynn, according the homepage, that's rocks :p | 15:48 |
| eglynn | ".... as of October last year, they were in parity with Mongo 2.4, with the exception of geo-indices and full-text search, and 2.6 is still an open milestone." | 15:48 |
| eglynn | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7990766 | 15:48 |
| sileht | gordc, I love this kind of number :) | 15:48 |
| eglynn | meh, that's old new | 15:48 |
| eglynn | s | 15:48 |
| gordc | these are some bold statements.lol | 15:48 |
| prad | see gordc, thats marketing :) | 15:49 |
| ildikov | prad: exactly :) | 15:49 |
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| gordc | prad: :) i'll take note. | 15:50 |
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| ildikov | they are listing some companies as users, maybe if anyone has connections there it worth a question | 15:50 |
| eglynn | does anyone have facilities to profile, e.g. run the Mirantis benchmarks | 15:50 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | might be worth having some data in our back-pocket for that ops session | 15:51 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: what benchmark :)? | 15:51 |
| ildikov | eglynn: my notebook only looks large ;) | 15:51 |
| gordc | ildikov: hahah! | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_: the one that Ilya(?) ran and Dina crunched the results, IIRC | 15:52 |
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| cdent | I think perhaps it would be better if by the time we got to summit we had already convinced one of the larger installations to have tried out tokumx and report benchmarks. We need to make partners not customers. | 15:52 |
| sileht | it seems this is a perconna product since two days | 15:52 |
| ildikov | although the idea sounds good, I wanted to ask this too | 15:52 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: aha, it was just scripts. not a 'tool' . Maybe we may consider Rally | 15:52 |
| sileht | https://www.percona.com/percona-acquires-tokutek | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | cdent: one to raise with linuxhermit perhaps? | 15:53 |
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| cdent | here today in his jasonamyers guise? | 15:53 |
| jasonamyers | I am here | 15:53 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: but tbh, I'm not sure if we may apply it to test Ceilo. Will discuss that | 15:53 |
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| jasonamyers | cdent: numbers are very useful to operators | 15:54 |
| ildikov | cdent: if you mean those as partners who use what we produce then I agree, but I wouldn't say this in general | 15:54 |
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| jasonamyers | especially if you are comparing to options on the same hardware/network setup | 15:55 |
| cdent | The point I'm trying to make is that we maintain too much of a division between "us" and the "operators" and I think that is bad for the health of the "product". | 15:55 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: cool, thanks | 15:55 |
| cdent | If "we" can get "them" to help "us" with something "we" can't do easily (because of lack of data and tooling) but "they" can, then win | 15:56 |
| cdent | """"quotes"""" | 15:56 |
| gordc | cdent: you are very proficient with them. | 15:56 |
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| ildikov | cdent: sure, i got that part | 15:56 |
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| jasonamyers | cdent: I can't agree more on that point | 15:57 |
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| jasonamyers | operators are us | 15:57 |
| jasonamyers | they are they reason we need ceilometer etc right | 15:57 |
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| jasonamyers | if operators move on to other clouds that's terrible for openstack | 15:57 |
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| gordc | we throw balls at each other in our office... it is us vs them for at least some portion of day | 15:58 |
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| gordc | i'm just going to let this meeting run out... 1 min | 15:59 |
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| ildikov | jasonamyers: +1 | 15:59 |
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| rjaiswal_ | _nadya_, idegtiarov: Is multiple pipelines still an important use case for you - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/? | 15:59 |
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| gordc | outta time sorry | 16:00 |
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| gordc | please carry on in #ceilometer | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 16:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-16-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-16-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| VW_ | #startmeeting Large Deployment Team | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 16:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| VW_ | howdy, folks | 16:01 |
| klindgren_ | hi | 16:01 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 16:01 |
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| VW_ | Alright, let's get started. | 16:02 |
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| VW_ | #topic Ops Midcycle Meetup debrief | 16:02 |
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| VW_ | so, I've gone over this - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-large-deployments - a few times | 16:02 |
| belmoreira | VW_: I can find the agenda. Do you have a link? | 16:03 |
| VW_ | yep, belmoreira - one sec | 16:03 |
| VW_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/LDT | 16:03 |
| VW_ | guess I skipped roll call :\ | 16:03 |
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| belmoreira | VW_: thx | 16:04 |
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| VW_ | yep | 16:04 |
| mdorman | o/ | 16:04 |
| VW_ | howdy mdorman | 16:04 |
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| VW_ | so, andyhky is here. I don't think jlk has joined. but that gives us at least one of the moderators at the midcycle | 16:05 |
| andyhky | o/ | 16:05 |
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| VW_ | andyhky: any over arching take aways from the discussion there | 16:05 |
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| andyhky | The discussion around pruning deleted instances brought this bug up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226049 / https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109201/ | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1226049 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance_system_metadata rows not being deleted" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 16:06 |
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| VW_ | did the group commit to any action around it, andyhky | 16:07 |
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| VW_ | I know we are actually running a script here that purges deleted instance data older than 90 days | 16:09 |
| andyhky | We didn't have specific commitments, it was more of a discussion of issues (e.g., pruning, rabbit leaks) and best practices. | 16:09 |
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| VW_ | kk | 16:09 |
| VW_ | I see there was quite a bit of discussion around adding/testing new hosts/nodes as well | 16:09 |
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| klindgren | speaking of which - does anyone have a solution to deploying to disabled hosts? | 16:10 |
| klindgren | I thought that the --availability-zone az:host trick would work - but it doesn't :-/ | 16:10 |
| VW_ | yeah | 16:11 |
| andyhky | We had a discussion on recommending a disabled by default for a new compute node. | 16:11 |
| andyhky | The room seemed to want the default to change to disabled. | 16:11 |
| belmoreira | klindgren: no | 16:11 |
| VW_ | one of my engineers has a patch that will build to a disabled host if you target it specifically, klindgren | 16:11 |
| VW_ | because the AZ thing didn't work for us either | 16:11 |
| VW_ | let me see if I can find it | 16:11 |
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| belmoreira | andyhky: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136645/7 is related. It proposes a disable reason by default | 16:12 |
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| VW_ | any follow up items in general from the midcycle? | 16:15 |
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| VW_ | or was it all just discussion on these particular topics | 16:15 |
| andyhky | I think it's worth coming up with a recommendation on the status of new compute nodes | 16:16 |
| VW_ | sounds fair | 16:16 |
| VW_ | do we want that ahead of Vancouver | 16:16 |
| VW_ | or do we want it on our agenda for there | 16:16 |
| andyhky | I'll start a ML thread | 16:16 |
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| VW_ | #action andyhky Start ML thread on status of a new compute node | 16:17 |
| VW_ | cool - thanks, andyhky | 16:17 |
| VW_ | I'm still looking for the patch I mentioned above | 16:17 |
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| VW_ | any other items related to mid-cycle we want to dive into here | 16:18 |
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| andyhky | I think that's enough from the mid-cycle | 16:18 |
| VW_ | cool | 16:18 |
| VW_ | #topic Vancouver OPs meetup - LDT session | 16:18 |
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| VW_ | so, we have like 3 hours I think at our disposal for a working group session(s) | 16:19 |
| VW_ | let me verify | 16:19 |
| VW_ | ok - not quite - about 2:20 | 16:19 |
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| VW_ | but 3 sessions | 16:20 |
| VW_ | 1:50 - 2:30 | 16:20 |
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| VW_ | 2:40 - 3:20 | 16:20 |
| VW_ | and 3:30 - 4:10 | 16:20 |
| VW_ | I really think we need to come out of this one with a new blueprint, comments/reccomendations on exiting blueprints or something like that | 16:21 |
| VW_ | that's my opinion, but I think the following comment on the planning etherpad is valid: | 16:21 |
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| VW_ | "I like this group, too, but what real work would we do here?" | 16:22 |
| VW_ | any of you have thoughts? | 16:22 |
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| belmoreira | yes, we need to have "procedure" to raise and share our "concerns" | 16:25 |
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| VW_ | indeed. It's hard because I know most of us are busy fighting fires and such that comes with running big clouds | 16:26 |
| belmoreira | because, after the summit how can developers will be notified about our ideas? | 16:26 |
| belmoreira | I image that only very few will attend the ops sessions | 16:26 |
| VW_ | of the devs? | 16:26 |
| VW_ | sorry - just clarifying | 16:26 |
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| belmoreira | yes, sorry | 16:27 |
| VW_ | so, proposal then: | 16:27 |
| andyhky | belmoreira / VW_ - so with this compute node status change, I'm just going to propose a spec and see where it lands | 16:28 |
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| VW_ | session 1: Pull together all our thoughts on adding new hosts / managing capacity | 16:29 |
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| VW_ | this would include new specs like andyhky's and comments from the group in the room on any others | 16:29 |
| belmoreira | andyhky: great | 16:29 |
| VW_ | session 2: Find something from the cells v2 folks we can bring to the group and get them feedback on | 16:29 |
| VW_ | session 3: general business. review meeting schedule, etc. Find out how we can improve the processes, etc and make our group more influential | 16:30 |
| andyhky | If we have a discussion and it results in recommendations, we should have a spec owner and deliver the spec upstream | 16:30 |
| VW_ | yeah, I'm thinking before we even leave the room, andyhky | 16:31 |
| VW_ | if possible | 16:31 |
| andyhky | The spec owner is identified before leaving the room | 16:31 |
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| VW_ | anyone have any issues with the rough schedule above then | 16:32 |
| VW_ | with the requirement that we hold ourselves to turning all recommendations into specs or feedback on existing specs with an owner | 16:32 |
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| klindgren | sounds good to me | 16:34 |
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| belmoreira | +1 | 16:34 |
| VW_ | cool - then I'll start working on the etherpad then | 16:35 |
| VW_ | #action VW_ start updating etherpad for Vancouver with proposed session schedules | 16:35 |
| VW_ | #action VW_ reach out to Cells V2 devs to find out an issue/spec we can working and provide feedback/specs | 16:36 |
| VW_ | anything else folks want to discuss for Vancouver? | 16:36 |
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| mdorman | sorry, a bit distracted here with standup meetings. that all looks good to me for YVR | 16:37 |
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| VW_ | cool | 16:37 |
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| VW_ | in that case... | 16:37 |
| VW_ | #topic Other Business | 16:37 |
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| VW_ | The floor is open | 16:38 |
| VW_ | anything else anyone wants to discuss? | 16:38 |
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| VW_ | have any of you looked at this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169836 | 16:40 |
| mdorman | yup | 16:40 |
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| mdorman | i kinda go back and forth whether this is a good long-term solution, but i think it’s one of those “it’s better than nothing” things | 16:41 |
| VW_ | yeah, me too mdorman | 16:41 |
| VW_ | johnthetubaguy: is spot on about not assuming the VMS are down | 16:41 |
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| mdorman | i haven’t read the comments for the last few days, so haven’t seen that yet. | 16:41 |
| VW_ | in our case the compute node is virtualized so a separate "node" than the host | 16:42 |
| mdorman | good discussion to have, nonetheless | 16:42 |
| VW_ | I agree | 16:42 |
| VW_ | that's why I thought I'd make more of this group aware :) | 16:42 |
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| mdorman | yup yup | 16:42 |
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| belmoreira | I need to leave... | 16:43 |
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| VW_ | but I get a little bi-polar about it too. Probably because we have several automation services that we've built to handle down hosts so we can just have them mark the disabled bit for us | 16:43 |
| VW_ | ok belmoreira | 16:43 |
| VW_ | thanks for coming | 16:43 |
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| VW_ | see you in Vancouver | 16:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | VW: my main worry is that we need a long term plan really, before adding another band-aid | 16:43 |
| VW_ | yeah, johnthetubaguy - I'm with you | 16:44 |
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| mdorman | +1 | 16:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | VW_: totally agreed that its an important thing to sort out | 16:45 |
| VW_ | yeah, johnthetubaguy that's why I wanted more of the LDT folks to at least be aware | 16:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds good | 16:46 |
| VW_ | it sounds like we might make one our sessions in YVR focused on adding new hosts/capacity management | 16:46 |
| VW_ | maybe we can work this one in too | 16:46 |
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| VW_ | will be tight | 16:46 |
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| klindgren | So - we have been running the updates oslo.messaging | 16:47 |
| klindgren | with heartbeat stuff under juno code base | 16:47 |
| klindgren | rabbit is much much much better | 16:47 |
| VW_ | 1.9, klindgren | 16:47 |
| VW_ | oslo.messaging that is | 16:47 |
| klindgren | iirc 1.8.1 | 16:47 |
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| VW_ | hmm - good to know. | 16:48 |
| klindgren | yea 1.8.1 they pulled everything into that and cut a tag. | 16:48 |
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| klindgren | We had some major maintenace the other day that left some compute nodes network down for a long time | 16:49 |
| klindgren | they all recovered without issue | 16:49 |
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| klindgren | no lost/hung rabbit rpc stuff - it all "just worked" within a few minutes of the network comming online | 16:49 |
| VW_ | yeah, good to know | 16:49 |
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| VW_ | we got hit with the issue the other day when a network device failed over and cut the connection between computes and rabit | 16:50 |
| VW_ | rabbit even | 16:50 |
| VW_ | so I'm all for getting that fix | 16:50 |
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| VW_ | for those who don't know - here is a related link - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146047/ | 16:51 |
| klindgren | yea - looking forward to the day when I have 99 problems and rabbitmq is not one. | 16:51 |
| VW_ | indeed | 16:51 |
| VW_ | message queues are hard, evidently | 16:51 |
| VW_ | :) | 16:51 |
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| VW_ | ok, well we have a few minutes left | 16:52 |
| VW_ | anything else? | 16:52 |
| mdorman | i’m good | 16:53 |
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| mdorman | thanks for organizing VW_ | 16:53 |
| VW_ | my pleasure | 16:53 |
| VW_ | thanks, to all of you, for helping us get a plan for YVR | 16:53 |
| VW_ | want to make those sessions as productive as possible | 16:53 |
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| VW_ | alright, well, I'll give everyone 5 minutes back | 16:54 |
| VW_ | see you all in Vancouver! | 16:54 |
| VW_ | thanks for joining today | 16:55 |
| VW_ | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 16:55:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2015/large_deployment_team.2015-04-16-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2015/large_deployment_team.2015-04-16-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2015/large_deployment_team.2015-04-16-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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| dtroyer | courtesy ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | hello | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | anyone here for OpenStackClient meeting? | 19:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thank you dtroyer | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 19:02 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:02 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:03 |
| stevemar | ahoy hoy | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | ok, let's go | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 19:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | I threw some things into the agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#16_Apr_2015 this morning | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | but first I want to take care of something that should have been done a while ago | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | and add terrylhowe to the osc core team | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | \o/ | 19:05 |
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| stevemar | rejoice | 19:05 |
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| * stevemar can now slack off | 19:06 | |
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| dtroyer | Terry has put in a ton of work and reviews into OSC, and I want to say thanks for that and welcome | 19:07 |
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| terrylhowe | thanks, I think I know generally what dtroyer is looking for with osc :) I’ll try not ot aggrevate him too much | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | that's what keeps me honest you know… | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | #topic summit status | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer can use a little aggravation every now and then | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I don't have anything specific here, and haven't even created an etherpad yet, but we should start thinking about how to use the sessions in Vancouver | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | we have one fishbowl for a large audience and one work-room or whatever they're called for the smaller get together | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-liberty-summit-planning | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | there's an empty etherpad to collect ideas and suggections | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | if there are no comments we'll keep going | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | i thought we had a list already | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | really? it's been an odd couple of weeks and I didn't dig through the notes… | 19:14 |
| stevemar | i'll dig through my history later | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | no biggie | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, reviews: I put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164091/ on the agenda because that's a topic that has been getting attention elsewhere lately | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | that is the —timing fix, also https://review.openstack.org/173098 (defer imports) plays into this | 19:16 |
| stevemar | sigh | 19:16 |
| stevemar | do we want to make a call on this now or wait til vancity to discuss? | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | 164091 is a bug fix, I don't think it needs to wait | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | I personally don't mind doing the imports now, but if there is reluctance it can wait | 19:18 |
| stevemar | do we have any benchmarks on the defer imports fix? | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | I spent a bit of time with Boris' static import tool, profimp, and pinned down where we've been importing things unnecessarily | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | I haven't posted the outcomes anywhere, probably should. that patch gained about half a second on my mac oerall | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | but it also corrects the forced import of the client libs on every run. | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | that could be split up as its more of a design flaw fix | 19:20 |
| stevemar | give me a day to pull it down and play with it | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:21 |
| stevemar | that should be easy to verify | 19:22 |
| stevemar | then devstack / infra guys will like that | 19:22 |
| stevemar | half second * 40ish calls | 19:22 |
| stevemar | or more | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | we'll get better returns by re-working devstack a bit to do batches of osc calls. | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | s/better/additional/ | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | there's also a coprocess scheme we could use but it'll take some tweaks to osc, we can talk about those next month | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | ++ on batch calls | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | anyone else have any reviews they'd like to bring to our attention? | 19:24 |
| stevemar | can't believe i didn't think of that earlier... | 19:24 |
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| terrylhowe | here documents for the batches? | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: yes. there are issues when we need to capture an ID or something, but there are easy gains to be had there | 19:25 |
| stevemar | i wouldn't mind talking about the image listing stuff | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: go for it | 19:25 |
| stevemar | so i think my proposal (--limit), and terry's (actually handling the paging) can co-exist | 19:26 |
| stevemar | we'll use terry's as default | 19:26 |
| stevemar | and if someone wants a limit, so be it | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | yes, I think they should | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | It’d technically be nice if all the list commands had limit/marker | 19:26 |
| stevemar | do we have a strategy for global options (like limit) | 19:26 |
| stevemar | ++ terrylhowe | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | I wonder about the word 'limit' but that's a shed to paint, possibly later | 19:27 |
| stevemar | my last comment was an open question | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | I would like to see all list commands have these options, even if we have to fake it locally on some | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | once we get usable caching it might not be too terrible performance-wide to do repeated limited lists | 19:28 |
| stevemar | maybe we can create a base List class and inherit from there | 19:28 |
| stevemar | create the parser/option in the base class | 19:28 |
| stevemar | (just thinking out loud) | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | it cold all be done in the layer below the command classes, the sort of thing I was aiming for in openstackclient.api.api | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | the object_store list functions already have a model for doing both, although its recursive and some folk don't like that | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, can we start with the two proposals we have, fit them together and iterate outward form there? | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | the support in the REST APIs is so varied | 19:31 |
| stevemar | yep | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | yes | 19:31 |
| stevemar | theres also the service providers patch that i -2'ed | 19:31 |
| stevemar | we need a newer version of ksc | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | I had a note to ask if that's been released in ksc yet | 19:32 |
| stevemar | it has been | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | in stable/kilo? | 19:32 |
| stevemar | but we need to keep our requirements in sync with g-r | 19:32 |
| stevemar | i don't know, let me check | 19:33 |
| stevemar | for upgrading in liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168187/ | 19:33 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, no, in stable/kilo it's still 1.1.0, for this new stuff we need 1.3.0 | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | would it be possible/desirable to check version at run-time? | 19:34 |
| stevemar | not worth it, i'd rather wait til g-r is updated | 19:35 |
| stevemar | and push this through when ksc is updated | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | that's actually a general question that might help us deal with a variety of library versions and not have to wait all the time | 19:35 |
| stevemar | no one is clamoring for this | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | for this review, I'm good with that | 19:35 |
| stevemar | you are thinking that we could have something in place that fails gracefully? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I've wondered though about getting better at dealing with older libraries so we don't always have to wait for releases | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | it might not be worth the effort though | 19:36 |
| stevemar | would be handy if it was a decorator or something | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | it basically calls to identity_client.something_dne or volume_client.something_else | 19:37 |
| stevemar | and those are failing | 19:37 |
| stevemar | should be easy to check | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | add it to the backlog! | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | it can wait behind the wait command ;) | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | ok, any other reviews to talk about? | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1406470 | 19:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed] | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | this is really a process suggestion, I think stevemar's suggestion is workable | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | any dissenting comments or objections? | 19:40 |
| stevemar | hmm | 19:40 |
| stevemar | what was my suggestion? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | using a tag in the commit message | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | that's what I read anyway, did I miss? | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | right right | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | we going to start removing deprecated options and such? | 19:42 |
| stevemar | no, thats what i meant, i just forget things | 19:43 |
| stevemar | yeah, when we're in a pinch | 19:43 |
| stevemar | or the server side changes | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | like what happened with v3 service create | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | but also marking when things change to find them later to follow up | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | I'm not sure where we should write this down, should we continue to put process stuff like this in the wiki? | 19:44 |
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| terrylhowe | anyone running super old versions of OS should probably use pinned clis anyway | 19:45 |
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| stevemar | somewhere permanent thats for sure | 19:46 |
| stevemar | i wouldn't mind the dev docs | 19:46 |
| stevemar | its my go-to | 19:46 |
| stevemar | a section for backwards incompatible changes | 19:46 |
| terrylhowe | ++ dev docs | 19:46 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit has been restarted to clear a problem with its event stream. any gerrit changes updated or approved between 19:14 and 19:46 utc will need to be rechecked or have their approval reapplied for zuul to pick them up | 19:47 | |
| dtroyer | I wasn't sure about using that for project stuff though, but that'll work | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: want to translate that bug to a doc proposal? | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | sure | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | #action stevemar translate bug 1406470 to a dev docs entry | 19:49 |
| openstack | bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1406470 | 19:49 |
| stevemar | #action stevemar to translate bug to doc page for tracking backwards incompat. changes | 19:49 |
| stevemar | beat me to it! | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1409218 | 19:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1409218 in python-openstackclient "condense credentials (ec2, v3, compute)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | I really just have a question about continuing to target this to m9 release | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | maybe it isn't a high priority bug as we've pushed it at least once already | 19:51 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, someone just asked me about that yesterday | 19:52 |
| stevemar | and it's blocking them | 19:52 |
| stevemar | since they can't use v2 option | 19:52 |
| stevemar | cause the user that is trying to do it is in a non-default domain | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | ok, I'll leave it for now and we can look again in a week or two when we are hopefully preparing the next release | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, yeah, i might just have the keystone bits done :\ | 19:54 |
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| stevemar | we can split out the nova credential related stuff | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | that works for me | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | the last three bugs we've already covered today so unless there is more there we'll move on | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | #topic blueprints | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer | the only thing I wanted to say about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/waitcommand was to point it out and get some feedback on if it might be a useful thing and measure priority. comments in the bp work | 19:57 |
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| stevemar | i don't recall this one | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | I just wrote it yesterday | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | the use case is to not do polling loops in bash for things we can easily do liek we handle —wait now | 19:58 |
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| terrylhowe | might be nice to have a —failure option action append for statuses that are failures | 19:59 |
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| terrylhowe | looks very handy to me though | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: add that to the bp? | 19:59 |
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| terrylhowe | sure | 19:59 |
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| dtroyer | so with a minute left… | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | #open discussion | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | jeez... | 20:00 |
| stevemar | buzzz | 20:00 |
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| terrylhowe | nothing here | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | I've talked too much already, but I do want to say that I'm finding a home after the recent unpleasantness that will let me focus more on client stuff, not just osc. | 20:01 |
| terrylhowe | excellent | 20:01 |
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| stevemar | we're all happy to have you stick around osc and client land | 20:01 |
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| dtroyer | thanks | 20:02 |
| dtroyer | and thank you all for coming | 20:02 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 20:02:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-16-19.03.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-16-19.03.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-16-19.03.log.html | 20:02 |
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| wbhuber | Regarding erasure code installation with Swift 2.3.0, I've been trying to deliver a patch on the swift installation (via SAIO) with the right pyeclib version. I thought of moving the step 5 in "Getting the code" section before building a development installation of swift. Do you have any concerns with this change? My first try was to insert the python-pyeclib earlier in the doc, particularly the installing dependencies | 21:01 |
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| wbhuber | but that wouldn't have worked since it is an older version (1.0.5 vs 1.0.7). | 21:01 |
| wbhuber | This was brought up during the swift meeting yesterday. | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | wbhuber: are you intending to be in the -meeting channel? | 21:02 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 22:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_April_16th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| gmann | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer, jogo: around? | 22:01 |
| jogo | mtreinish: sort of | 22:02 |
| * andreaf lurks around | 22:02 | |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | it'll probably be a pretty quick meeting i guess | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Session Brainstorm | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so I guess I left this on the agenda | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | although I really don't have anything to add on last week | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | oh wait, yes I do | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | ttx sent the numbers to the ML | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | we have 5 fishbowl sessions | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | 4 work room slots | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | and a full day contributor meetup (shared with infra and relmgt) | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061167.html | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | I'll put that on the brainstorming etherpad | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-qa-summit-topics | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | other than that I didn't have anything else to talk about summit topics | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else? | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | ok, I'll take that as a no :) | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | lets move on | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review to discuss? | 22:08 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, failed sphinx :) | 22:08 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: this is something that I've been thinking about for a while, a YAML to describe test resources, which could also be used to provision them, all before testing - to solve various issues, like IDs in configuration, API calls for testscenarios, multiple guest images... | 22:09 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes I know didn't have time to fix that | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | ok, yeah we've talked about doing that before | 22:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: well I wouldn't mind a first impression comment from folks | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | I think it's probably a good idea | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | I'll take a look at the spec soon | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | I wrote some config docs this week so I know how crazy some of this stuff is | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | (not the proposal, the current state of providing images and stuff to tempest) | 22:11 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok I will try to fix the spec to pass check | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | cool, thanks | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have a spec proposal to discuss? | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an in progress bps to discuss? | 22:14 |
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| andreaf | latest patches for ssh-auth-strategy: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/ssh-auth-strategy,n,z | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | cool, I'll take a look tomorrow | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | although it looks like there is a -1 on the base patch | 22:16 |
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| andreaf | and regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/keystone-v3-jobs, keystone folks started working on a v3 only devstack - which will enable progress when ready | 22:16 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes from afazekas | 22:17 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: it's about not catching exceptions at tearDown | 22:17 |
| andreaf | tearDownClass | 22:17 |
| andreaf | apart from NotFound | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | ah ok | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | I have an update this week too | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | on test-accounts-continued for tempest | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | the network support for test accounts just landed | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | so all that's left are a few cleanup patches | 22:19 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ^_^ | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | and the script to help automate setting up an accounts file | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | that tool will also let us start having experimental jobs for the accounts path | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | so I can finally abandon https://review.openstack.org/158511 and https://review.openstack.org/173114 | 22:20 |
| gmann | mtreinish: cool. it will be great to have gate job for account file. | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: yeah it will. I it also raises the question about whether we should use accounts or tenant isolation for our gating jobs | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | and which one makes a better default | 22:22 |
| gmann | mtreinish: is there any plan to move non-isolated and new account job in check/gate pipeline instead of experimental | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: well we can't gate on non-isolated because if there is no isolation it would have to be serial | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | which is too slow | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | but I think we can make one with the accounts file check or gate | 22:23 |
| gmann | ohkk | 22:23 |
| gmann | make sense | 22:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, gmann: we could even mix the two in a single job | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | I also think in L we should start considering how we're going to deprecate the use of the identity config options for user and alt_user | 22:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, gmann: each of them as benefits and potential to highlight issues | 22:24 |
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| gmann | andreaf: yea, fully agree | 22:25 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes we should deprecated those somehow | 22:25 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: we should move away from having test resources in tempest.conf at all I think - only tempest behavioural settings | 22:26 |
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| andreaf | features on/off and so | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: well I think after we tag tempest-4 we can start emitting a warning on their use | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | and send a ml post about it | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah that's probably a fair approach | 22:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: we can also produce a bit of code that builds a YAML file from those options if found, and drop the code path that supports them in conf | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | luckily most of the config file is already that way, it's just a few things like images and flavors that are in config | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, you mean drop the NonLockingAccounts provider and just put a shim in place | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | yeah that's an idea too | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on bps? | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | let's move on then | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | I don't think dtroyer is around | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone else have anything to discuss about devstack today? | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | heh, I'll that as a no | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | so let's move on | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | so this week sdague has been continuing on his refactor to make grenade more modular | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | and support external plugins | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | I think he's pretty close to wrapping it up, which is awesome | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | all the patches are here: | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-dev/grenade+branch:master+topic:modular_grenade,n,z | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | I didn't really have anything else to add on grenade | 22:35 |
| gmann | mtreinish: how about having ext plugin for tempest too? | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: did you have anything else? | 22:35 |
| jogo | mtreinish: nope | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | gmann: so tempest is a bit different, because it just uses unit test so it already is pretty modular | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | gmann: that's why we did tempest-lib | 22:36 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: i meand ext plugin for devstack | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | so there was an externally consumable interfaces for people to use so they can write tempest like tests | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: oh, so write a plugin for devstack to configure tempest? | 22:36 |
| gmann | yes | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure we really need that because that already lives in the devstack repo | 22:37 |
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| gmann | like ec2API repo have | 22:37 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: sure, but isnt that what devstack's lib/tempest already does | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | I mean I guess we could refactor that to live in the tempest repo, but I'm not sure where the value is | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | but maybe I'm missing something | 22:38 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: yes, thats why m also not sure about plan for ext plugin is for new repo only or moving existing one also. | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: well that's what http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/FUTURE.rst covers there is a set of things which will stay in devstack | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | some core services which includes tempest | 22:40 |
| gmann | humm | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | but the rest which operate at a higher layer will be converted to plugins | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | that's what I started to cover in: https://review.openstack.org/152683 | 22:41 |
| gmann | I see | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on grenade? | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | ok lets move on then | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: anything on bugs this week? | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | oh I had the rotation didn't I | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | oops, I forgot... | 22:45 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yea :) | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | and it looks like we're back in double digits because of that | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | I'll go through the open bugs tonight or tomorrow then | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: do you want to make another ML about another round of triage volunteers? | 22:46 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yea, I will add dates on etherpad and send ML | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | cool | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | were there any particular bugs people wanted to discuss? | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 22:49 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-cleanup,n,z | 22:49 |
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| andreaf | the cleanup after resource-cleanup | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I'll try to look at the most recent rev again soon | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172507 | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | that's the start of a longish branch for some config docs | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | I'd appreciate it if people could review them and let me know what I screwed up | 22:51 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162875/ | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | feel free to add on the negative comments even if there are some, I'll try to do batch updates instead of reply to each individual review one by one | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | gmann: how close is that refactor to being finished? | 22:52 |
| gmann | after 162875, last patch i will update for schema cleanup | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool | 22:53 |
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| gmann | only 2 lest #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/rearrange-nova-response-schemas,n,z | 22:53 |
| gmann | *left | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's open the floor | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | in the last 5 min does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 22:55 |
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| andreaf | I was chatting with Stuart today | 22:56 |
| andreaf | from the glance team - sorry I don't know his irc nick | 22:56 |
| andreaf | about testing of python-glanceclient | 22:56 |
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| andreaf | atm most python clients are dsvm-src-(master|juno|icehouse) tests | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | oh moving the cli tests? | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | because someone needs to do that for glance still... | 22:57 |
| andreaf | I know | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah to test the clients are working against any version of glance | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | because you should be able to use new glance client against an old cloud | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | although it's only really tested via devstack setup | 22:58 |
| andreaf | right | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | but that just means that glance needs to start working on functional client tests | 22:58 |
| andreaf | but once we move CLI tests away from tempest we won't be testing that anymore | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | which is a real gap | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: sure, but the migrated cli jobs are still dsvm, so they can setup stable jobs for them too | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | if that's what they're looking for | 22:59 |
| andreaf | yes - only they need to setup juno and icehouse jobs for those | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: we can take this to -qa since we're at ~30secs | 22:59 |
| andreaf | and I havent seen anyone doing it | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | not that I know of | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | but I think the first prio was to just get them spun up | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | tbh, from what I can tell most people don't really think about the python-*clients much | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're at time | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 23:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-16-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-16-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-16-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| gmann | thanks all | 23:00 |
| masayukig | thanks | 23:00 |
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