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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 15:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:00 |
| idegtiarov_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
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| * gordc taps finger... waits for 3minutes past | 15:02 | |
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| cdent | irony | 15:03 |
| gordc | that's what the 'x' does | 15:03 |
| gordc | #topic kilo-rc requests/bugs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-rc requests/bugs (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
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| gordc | so we have 4 items tracked for rc2 | 15:04 |
| gordc | i think we're just waiting on cdents patch for time.sleep issue | 15:04 |
| gordc | anyone else have patches we want to get into rc2? | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gordc | there's this new bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1447647 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447647 in Ceilometer "Unhandled SqlAchemy exception indexing trait with large text" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rohit Jaiswal (rohit-jaiswal-3) | 15:04 |
| cdent | gordc: are you counting the eventlet one that I've started? | 15:04 |
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| gordc | cdent: yep. | 15:05 |
| cdent | cooooooool | 15:05 |
| gordc | cdent: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1447599 ? | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447599 in Ceilometer "mongodb retry logic uses unpatched time.sleep to wait" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Chris Dent (chdent) | 15:05 |
| cdent | yessir | 15:05 |
| gordc | cool cool, yeah that's the last one i'm tracking | 15:05 |
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| gordc | the sqlalchemy exception bug above i don't think is a regression (but it might be) i don't know if we want that targetting for kilo | 15:06 |
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| gordc | thoughts? i'll push it to liberty (unless it's a regression from my event 'fixing' work) | 15:07 |
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| cdent | gordc: seems worth checking if it is a regression and if it is not, don't worry | 15:08 |
| cdent | bugs happen | 15:08 |
| gordc | cdent: agreed. | 15:08 |
| gordc | anyone other blocking issues? | 15:08 |
| gordc | any* | 15:08 |
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| gordc | skipping to ceilometerclient then | 15:09 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient status | 15:09 |
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| gordc | 1.2 is release for liberty. | 15:10 |
| gordc | i'm currently waiting on dhellmann and release team for a 1.0.14 release for kilo | 15:10 |
| gordc | i've backported most of 1.1.0 patches to 1.0.14 but please let me know if there's any other blockers | 15:11 |
| gordc | no? no. cool. and moving on. :) | 15:11 |
| gordc | #topic summit session proposals | 15:11 |
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| gordc | we have a few entries already https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlEe75uZc5faytpvIMPrQdViOOsRLnfeThk_Rp_lIvI/edit#gid=0 | 15:12 |
| gordc | just a reminder: April 30 will be our 'aggressive' cut off date | 15:12 |
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| gordc | i don't know if anyone wants to give a quick elevator pitch on what they're proposing (considering we have so much time) | 15:13 |
| cdent | I've attached an etherpad to the one I'm proposing: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilo-multi-identity | 15:13 |
| cdent | I think it would be pretty useful if people read that and added to it because I think there are a lot of issues underlying the stuff I've written about that might warrant rather a lot of talking/planning, including some before summit, because time at summit will be a bit limited and those topics are pretty wide ranging | 15:14 |
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| gordc | i'd probably suggest people look at that because it's pretty broad and we should probably do as much work pre-summit for it. | 15:14 |
| cdent | we could get away with doing nothing, but that would be a bit sad | 15:14 |
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| cdent | we need to kick things up a notch | 15:15 |
| gordc | noooo!!! why didn't you do this under eglynn's watch. | 15:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: LOL :) | 15:15 |
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| cdent | is jd__ around? some of that stuff is related to things he's talked about | 15:15 |
| cdent | gordc I blame eglynn for being a quitter | 15:16 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:16 |
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| cdent | if he wasn't it would be under his watch | 15:16 |
| gordc | cdent: lol | 15:16 |
| jd__ | sorry reading the backlog | 15:16 |
| jd__ | I like this Etherpad from what I can glance | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | I don't know if there are a session to talk about that but I'd be happy to | 15:18 |
| eglynn | gordc: I missed the conclusion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1447647 ... kilo-rc2 also? | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447647 in Ceilometer "Unhandled SqlAchemy exception indexing trait with large text" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rohit Jaiswal (rohit-jaiswal-3) | 15:18 |
| cdent | I've linked it to a session jd__, but my hope is that more people will write on the etherpad before then | 15:18 |
| cdent | so that more juices are flowing | 15:18 |
| gordc | eglynn: i think we'll defer it (if it was always liked that) | 15:18 |
| jd__ | I have a pretty clear vision of what I want to achieve in this regard I'll push it, through our dear PTL I hope, and probably with cdent too! | 15:18 |
| eglynn | gordc: ok | 15:18 |
| gordc | i need to check quickly after meeting. | 15:19 |
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| gordc | jd__: cdent: i guess we can pull out 1 or 2 things and narrow topic down (assuming we nominate it for summit) | 15:19 |
| msly | o/ | 15:20 |
| eglynn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilo-multi-identity sounds like a session that could set the tone for the ceilo track at summit | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | so ideally a fishbowl session at or close to the start of the track? | 15:20 |
| gordc | eglynn: works for me. | 15:20 |
| jd__ | gordc: as you wish, but this is something that _is_ going to happen during Liberty :) | 15:20 |
| * gordc drags his feet. | 15:21 | |
| gordc | if no one has any other elevator pitches for their proposals... | 15:21 |
| cdent | I just want to point out that I have a crush on prad's proposal | 15:21 |
| eglynn | cdent: "declarative" carches your eye? :) | 15:22 |
| gordc | cdent: same... but with less weird wording. | 15:22 |
| * cdent is so predictable | 15:22 | |
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| gordc | before switching, here's the latest summit schedule: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 15:23 |
| gordc | it looks like we've got an extra fishbowl | 15:23 |
| gordc | and we need to run between working session and fishbowl rooms on wed | 15:24 |
| jd__ | cdent: what's prad proposal? | 15:24 |
| cdent | jd__: declarative notification handling: stop writing code to process a notification, write yaml or json | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | cdent: yay, huge work to do in this area, and so little has been done unfortunately | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | I think that's an area that had a lot of noises (e.g. schema) for years and still nothing came out AFAIK | 15:25 |
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| cdent | I worry, though, that all this cool tech will be for naught if we don't "keep" the users, whatever that means. | 15:25 |
| jd__ | so let's make more noise? with the hope or result maybe? :) | 15:25 |
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| cdent | thus the "kick it up a notch" comment earlier | 15:26 |
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| cdent | we need to make ceilo not just cool but also relevant | 15:26 |
| * gordc gave up on schema... too many opinions. | 15:26 | |
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| gordc | openstack maded me jaded | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | yeah, too much bikeshedding as usual | 15:26 |
| jd__ | not enough active push of visions | 15:27 |
| jd__ | but we'll manage to get there sometimes :) | 15:27 |
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| * gordc is silently pushing cadf from dark corners | 15:27 | |
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| cdent | COMEOUTINTOTHELIGHT | 15:28 |
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| gordc | neva! :) | 15:28 |
| gordc | anything else on summit? | 15:28 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:28 |
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| gordc | jd__: sileht: cdent: anything? | 15:29 |
| jd__ | yeah so we released 1.0.0rc1 | 15:29 |
| jd__ | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gnocchi | 15:29 |
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| gordc | \o/ | 15:29 |
| sileht | congrats ! | 15:29 |
| jd__ | https://launchpad.net/gnocchi/1.0/1.0.0rc1 | 15:29 |
| cdent | that long description needs some work | 15:29 |
| jd__ | I cut stable/1.0 branch and now we are in trouble because the devstack-gate does not like the branch name | 15:29 |
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| * cdent makes a bug as a reminder | 15:30 | |
| jd__ | so we are trying to fix that with cdent and sileht | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | and it seems we made some progress thanks to cdent so that's cool | 15:30 |
| jd__ | that's a blocker to release rc2 and the final 1.0.0 | 15:30 |
| jd__ | so I hope we fix that ASAP | 15:30 |
| sileht | jd__, because you want to release 1.0.0 with oslo.db 1.8 ? | 15:31 |
| jd__ | other than that I had a few people contacting me because they are trying and are interested into Gnocchi, even without OpenStack | 15:31 |
| jd__ | so that's pretty exciting | 15:31 |
| jd__ | sileht: no | 15:31 |
| gordc | cool! | 15:31 |
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| gordc | jd__: i posted your blog to ops-list. hopefully people read it... and bug you. | 15:31 |
| jd__ | sileht: but we'll still need the VENV hack from cdent for e.h. stable/1.1 I think | 15:31 |
| jd__ | someone even read my Gnocchi blog post and sent me a mail in the case I could hire him to work on it lol | 15:32 |
| gordc | jd__: you hear the story of the person who outsourced his job? he lived a good life.lol | 15:33 |
| jd__ | haha | 15:33 |
| gordc | looks like everything is being managed in gnocchi territory... | 15:34 |
| jd__ | yep | 15:34 |
| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:34 |
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| gordc | this is some proper silence... i'll let it linger for a minute | 15:36 |
| cdent | Does anyone have any pointers to "cool hacks done with ceilometer". Something that actually does something. I keep getting people asking me "what's ceilo for" and the answers never satisfy | 15:36 |
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| cdent | "you can get the stddev on your cpu usage" is insufficient | 15:36 |
| gordc | i think the cool hacks are trade secrets | 15:36 |
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| gordc | i know one person is using the file dispatcher to process data in json rather than database... interesting? mildly interesting? | 15:37 |
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| cdent | gordc: I mention that sort of thing on the etherpad I linked before: people dispatch elsewhere to do cool stuff. What does that say? | 15:39 |
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| gordc | flexibility? | 15:39 |
| cdent | that we should kill all work on the destination side of the dispatcher | 15:40 |
| cdent | and let people do that part themselves | 15:40 |
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| cdent | yet weirdly that is where we put most of our efforts | 15:40 |
| gordc | i don't get it... isn't that what is happening already? people have their own use case. they pushed it up stream for others? | 15:41 |
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| cdent | gordc my point was that we spend a lot of energy on the storage layer | 15:44 |
| cdent | but the point that actually allows people to do stuff happens well before that | 15:44 |
| gordc | true. i guess there's many 'exit points' in ceilometer. that said, for a complete solution (if one has the use case for it), the storage part is pretty important. | 15:46 |
| gordc | i guess the ops meeting will give us a pretty good idea of what is important parts of ceilometer | 15:46 |
| cdent | ++ | 15:46 |
| gordc | but based on feedback, it's the storage and polling agents | 15:47 |
| gordc | feedback==complaints | 15:47 |
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| cdent | I think we need to be careful to distinguish parts that cause trouble vs parts that are important | 15:47 |
| cdent | people complain rightly that the storage doesn't work well, but that doesn't make it important, just required | 15:47 |
| cdent | that's a subtle but important difference | 15:47 |
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| gordc | fair enough. i don't really have a response to that.lol | 15:49 |
| cdent | I buy the car because I want it to get me places. It does, however, need brakes. | 15:49 |
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| * cdent proposes we end the meeting ten minutes early so we can shut me up | 15:49 | |
| * gordc obliges | 15:50 | |
| gordc | anything else? | 15:50 |
| gordc | nope? have a good day/evening/sleep folks | 15:50 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 15:50:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-23-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-23-15.00.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-23-15.00.log.html | 15:51 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 17:02:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | Hi, who's here today? | 17:02 |
| dstanek | hi | 17:02 |
| kir | hi | 17:02 |
| jlanoux | hi | 17:02 |
| Yogi | hello | 17:03 |
| nfedotov | hi | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_April_23rd_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:03 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, afazekas, jogo, andreaf, mkoderer, sdague: around? | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Summit Session Brainstorm | 17:04 |
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| jogo | o/ | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-qa-summit-topics | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | so I just wanted to continue reminding people about the brainstorming etherpad | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | I think we said next thurs was the deadline for proposing a summit session | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | so if you've got a session idea feel free to put it on the wiki page | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | we've got a few slots this time | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | with 5 fishbowl sessions, 4 work room sessions and a full day meetup shared w/ infra and rel-mgt on Friday | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | that was all I really had for this topic, does anyone else have something else? | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | echo | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest-4 tag (mtreinish) | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | so with the kilo release quickly approaching next week I quickly wanted to discuss the next tempest tag to mark it | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | we have a bit of flexability in when we push the tag | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | but I just wanted to keep track of any things we should be targetting for inclusion in it | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | they should mostly be things that don't make deep functional changes | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | I put a few on the agenda | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | although the last one I think we're fine holding off on until after the tag | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything that would be something else to look out for? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I guess I really should make an etherpad to track these | 17:11 |
| sdague | yeh, an etherpad for such issues would be good. | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-tag-4 | 17:12 |
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| sdague | I was just looking back at the qa topics, in unwinding some of these requirements issues, and timing issues in devstack / grenade building tempest venvs, I'd really like to figure out how to make installable tempest with a cli a priority in liberty | 17:12 |
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| sdague | especially as there become more and more jobs using the REGEX in project-config as well | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: do you want to put a session for that on the summit session etherpad? | 17:13 |
| sdague | well, I don't want to lead it :) | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | I think that would be a good work room topic to just get a poc out there | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | just leave leader blank and say work session | 17:14 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think it is in bounds to propose a session but not volunteer to lead it | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson did push his wip code up for the cli using cliff | 17:14 |
| sdague | yeh | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175168/ | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | it definitely needs to be split up before it can land | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on the next tempest tag, or design summit sessions? | 17:16 |
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| sdague | ok, added to the etherpad here | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok cool, thanks | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any open specs to discuss | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | (probably not given the point in the cycle) | 17:18 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 17:19 |
| rockyg | Dross project session Sean proposed for API/functional tests? | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: that's a open spec review? | 17:20 |
| rockyg | I'd like to make sure we get Refstack (CatherineD) involved and try to get a direction for following projects from what Nova and others have learned so far | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | or were you talking about the summit session etherpad? | 17:20 |
| rockyg | Ooops. | 17:20 |
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| rockyg | No. Open discussion. not open spec | 17:20 |
| rockyg | Nevermind.\ | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | heh, no worries :) | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's move on to the next topic | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | are there any in progress bps to discuss? | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | jlanoux: is there any update on the ssh auth one? | 17:22 |
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| jlanoux | mtreinish: we still need some eyes to look at it. Only andreaf and afazekas started to review | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | jlanoux: ok, I'll try to take a look soon | 17:23 |
| jlanoux | first patch was merged on Monday | 17:23 |
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| jlanoux | mtreinish: thanks! | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | jlanoux: one thing I did tell andreaf about was having a patch up to add a section to the config guide about all the new options and how to use them would be good | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | obviously at the end of the series | 17:23 |
| jlanoux | okidoki | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps? | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:25 |
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| dtroyer | heyo | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: anything exciting this week from the world of devstack? | 17:25 |
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| dtroyer | the big news this week is the stable/kilo branch was cut | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | cool | 17:26 |
| dtroyer | that always leads to a bit of cleaning up, this time most of it was elsewhere | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | yeah I guess that I need to go through and generate a hardcoded extension list for kilo now | 17:27 |
| sdague | yeh, that triggered discovery of some issues with oslo code | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: the service shutdown thing? or something else | 17:27 |
| sdague | stop in kilo is less reliable with a lot of projects | 17:27 |
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| dtroyer | in screen or out? | 17:28 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: out | 17:28 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176910/ is a tactical work around | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176910/ | 17:28 |
| sdague | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+bug/1446583 is the bug | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446583 in oslo-incubator "services no longer reliably stop in stable/kilo" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Julien Danjou (jdanjou) | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | I wonder what changed, I thought the process group thing was working pretty well | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: heh, just kill it twice | 17:29 |
| sdague | dtroyer: it's not devstack | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | ok, the pgroup approach is sensitive to the way a process daemonizes though | 17:29 |
| sdague | it's services that are reading from a socket apparently are dropping the term signal on the ground | 17:30 |
| dtroyer | oh, that's different | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we just never caught it because we never have to stop anything for grenade on master? | 17:30 |
| sdague | right, it's actually bugs in the code, but we only discovered it after having a stable/kilo branch to test against | 17:30 |
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| sdague | it's worth thinking about how to catch this stuff earlier | 17:31 |
| dtroyer | so if we did a grenade master -> master (actually just start/stop/start) we'd essentially have the long wanted restack.sh | 17:31 |
| sdague | yes... sort of? | 17:31 |
| dtroyer | but that might have found this problem | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we also have the unstack unit test we could add a ps sanity check too | 17:32 |
| sdague | yeh, I think it would have | 17:32 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yep, the other option would be putting unstack.sh into the normal devstack-gate flow | 17:32 |
| sdague | anyway, a thing to think about | 17:33 |
| sdague | not this week, because my brain is burnt out from the requirements unwind | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | ok, then is there anything else to discuss on devstack? | 17:33 |
| dtroyer | a couple of other interesting things that are in progress or soon will be is the dual-stack IP v4/v6 work from other Sean | 17:34 |
| dtroyer | and there was a CirrOS release so we can expect attempts to upgrade that too | 17:34 |
| kir | are there plan to support devstack on ipv6 only? | 17:34 |
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| dtroyer | I saw that in my inbox this morning, so someone is thinking about it. we don't have it on the short list now | 17:34 |
| sdague | dtroyer: I also added to the summit etherpad that we should discuss things to move out of devstack | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah I know the cirros pre-release | 17:35 |
| dtroyer | I have the neutron re-write first which might be helpful | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | should include some ipv6 stuff too | 17:35 |
| sdague | dtroyer: yes, that would be helpful | 17:35 |
| dtroyer | Cirros was just a pre-release? I read that email too fast then | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | kir: I think sc68cal was working on that | 17:35 |
| dtroyer | I wasn't sure if he had v6-only included | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah I thought so, let me dig it up again | 17:36 |
| dtroyer | otherwise, that's all I had to mention | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062403.html | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: I just assumed sc68cal was working on a v6 only setup too | 17:37 |
| dtroyer | oh, quickly, morgan is working on a keystone v3-only setup too | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | cool, that'll be interesting to see | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | ok then does anyone have anything else on devstack? | 17:38 |
| sdague | not I | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I'm sure you've got something to say this week about grenade :) | 17:39 |
| sdague | except, I guess the fact that OSC takes 4.5 minutes of aggregate time :) | 17:39 |
| sdague | yeh, the grenade refactor is done, landed, and branched | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | yay | 17:39 |
| sdague | there is probably still some useful docs cleanup, and an project template | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | yeah, that's what I was just going to ask | 17:40 |
| sdague | and then at some point, probably on the plane to vancouver, figuring out enable_plugin for grenace | 17:40 |
| sdague | grenade | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | do you think adding some grenade bits to devstack cookiecutter repo will be useful too? | 17:40 |
| sdague | yeh | 17:41 |
| sdague | we should probably find a good project that wants to work through this with us together | 17:41 |
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| sdague | maybe sahara? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think adam_g and ironic were looking at it before too | 17:41 |
| sdague | as they don't currently have upgrade testing | 17:41 |
| sdague | oh, right, ironic | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | although sahara is probably a good choice too | 17:42 |
| sdague | oh, that's why we have no test nodes, mtreinish pushed a giant tempest series that fails tests :P | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, I figured that would happen | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | a 9 patch tempest series has that effect | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | sdague, dtroyer: oh, unrelated but before I forget, if I can trouble you to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/releases with everything you guys had to do for branching devstack and grenade | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | so we have the steps written down | 17:43 |
| sdague | it was ... ask clark | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | sdague: there weren't any pre or post patches? | 17:44 |
| sdague | clarkb please tag stable/kilo at HASH | 17:44 |
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| sdague | just the normal .gitreview update | 17:44 |
| sdague | I guess I changed 2 names in grenaderc as well | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure, I just thought it would be good to just have the steps written down somewhere even if it's ask clarkb and update a couple files | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on grenade? | 17:45 |
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| sdague | well, we're breaking on neutron right now | 17:46 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176723/ fixes it | 17:46 |
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| sdague | that was being blocked by the nova not stopping issue | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok that's simple enough +2 | 17:47 |
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| sdague | which we have as a work around in stable/kilo devstack | 17:47 |
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| sdague | waiting for that to get tests back to figure out if it's good enough to fix things | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok, sure | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | let's move on we're at ~10min left | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open reviews that they'd like to get some extra eyes on? | 17:48 |
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| kir | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157816/ | 17:49 |
| kir | feature is already in neutron | 17:49 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: this is waiting for non-red-hat +A: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161370/ | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: oh, I remember that one, tosky asked me about a while ago | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | I'll take a look later on today | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | kir: if it's a feature add, does it also work on the stable branches? | 17:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: thanks | 17:50 |
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| kir | don't know, it works with neutron master | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172507/ | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | ^^ just a doc patch but it's at the bottom of a bunch of doc cleanups | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | kir: ok, I'll take a look in a bit | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | it at least looks like it's passing on the stable branches too | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews? | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess not | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest with python 3 (mtreinish) | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | probably the last topic for this week | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | this morning I started doing some cleanups needed to work towards getting the unit tests running under py34 | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:python3-support,n,z | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | I figured it would probably be good if we started working towards gating on 34 and 27 (like we do for tempest-lib) | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | that series gets us to being able to run testr list-tests and run the majority of the unit tests | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | well, except for a tempest-lib release which is needed to remove py2 code from the auth module | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | that was all I had on this, I just thought I should bring up that I was starting work on it | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | in case anyone cared | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else, on this topic or any other? | 17:57 |
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| rockyg | just hoping sean will extend the api/func test session at the summit to include lessons learned, how others can do the same, to add consistency across projects | 17:58 |
| rockyg | Horizontal consistency across projects for in projects testing | 17:58 |
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| rockyg | sorry. sdague | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | rockyg: I assumed that was part of it. The session is named show and tell iirc | 17:59 |
| rockyg | Kewl. Getting the refstack folks involved, too. | 17:59 |
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| rockyg | They'll be there | 17:59 |
| rockyg | And, thanks! | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | ok, then I guess we'll end here today | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 18:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-23-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-23-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-23-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:00 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | dtroyer: around? | 19:01 |
| stevemar | hmm | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | yo | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | meeting time :) | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | courtesy ping: dhellmann, briancurtin, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackclient | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 19:02:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | i'm sort of here | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | Good afternoon all… agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#23_Apr_2015 | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | not a heavy one, hopefully interesting though | 19:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | ohai | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #topic open actions | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | there were two from two meeting ago, stevemar has them both… | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | translate bug 1406470 to a dev docs entry | 19:04 |
| openstack | bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1406470 | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | they are still TODOs on my end :\ | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | both? | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | yeah | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | #action stevemar (carry forward) translate bug 1406470 to a dev docs entry | 19:06 |
| openstack | bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1406470 | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | er, those ere dupes actually, there is just one | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | #topic Releases | 19:07 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dtroyer: if you carried both forward, then stevemar would be twice as productive | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | qq about the latest release | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | On Tuesday dhellmann releases 1.1.0 as part of the minor bump for all client & libs for Liberty | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | s/releases/released/ | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, related.. with that done now, i think this will go through: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168187/ | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | however, it went out with no release notes, etc, so the plan is to do 1.1.1 soon with the docs | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we needed to release all lib-like things that had capped requirements so we could uncap the requirements | 19:09 |
| * dhellmann apologizes again for the rush on that | 19:09 | |
| dtroyer | np, this was an odd week all around | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | yep, just stating it for the record :-) | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: remind me what is blocked on that? | 19:10 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168562/ | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | err... this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165755/11 | 19:10 |
| stevemar | bad copy pasting this week | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | I think we'll be approving some requirements updates after we have the sync jobs turned back on | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann, okay, when do you figure that is? | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: should we wait on this for 1.1.1? | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: that job is in the queue right now, but if failed on a large-ops test so I'm running it a second time | 19:11 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, thats what i was alluding to | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174447/1 | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | other way around, wait on 1.1.1 for 165755? | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, i think it's worth waiting til the patch is in before 1.1.1 is released | 19:12 |
| stevemar | if you'd be so kind | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | so it sounds like this should all be cleared early next week | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | np | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | #agreed hold 1.1.1 release until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165755/11 merges | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | note for me to make sure it's in the milestone later | 19:13 |
| stevemar | which in turn depends on a global ksc bump | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | a new feature would technically make that 1.2.0 | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | it would | 19:14 |
| stevemar | i suppose it would | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | so I'll just say m10 release then ;) | 19:14 |
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| dhellmann | heh | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | while requirements are on my mind, both osc and cliff have stable/kilo requirements updates | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: safe to merge those? | 19:15 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: links? | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | cliff: https://review.openstack.org/173812 | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | osc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174341/ | 19:15 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: let's hold off. I'll chat with ttx and sdague about how we want to handle caps in dependencies of libs | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | I'm guessing merging is safe, it's the stable release that needs to be careful? | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | ok, np. I'll admin -2 them for now then | 19:16 |
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| dhellmann | k | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | technically the cliff change will require a min version bump of cliff, which would put it outside of the stable release series | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | the osc one introduces caps, which might be ok | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | so how do we handle minor bumps in stable? | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | we don't -- that's the point of having the stable branch | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | I thought that was supposed to be a unicorn? | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | ok, right | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | to wrap up the next release, m10, I've targeted what is in progress and completed in https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+milestone/m10 | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | other than what stevemar mentioned I don't think the remaining in progress bugs are release blocking, if they're complete they'll go in | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | anything else we should wait on? | 19:22 |
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| dhellmann | seems ok to me | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | I did have one question on https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1443089 that was still on m9 | 19:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443089 in python-openstackclient "image list displays a maximum of 25 images" [High,Confirmed] | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | did https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173420/ fix that? | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | stevemar, terrylhowe? | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | it does for me | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | etoews: reported not sure if he has looked at it | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | shall I hold off on closing it? the patch is merged | 19:26 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i tried it, worked | 19:26 |
| stevemar | close it up | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | roger that | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | so I went out of order, that was in | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:27 |
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| etoews | i trust y'all | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | any others while were there? | 19:27 |
| etoews | plus, if there's still an issue i can always report another bug. ;) | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | please do, we have a ways to go to catch up to Nova | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | ok, if there are no other bugs that need to be brought up… | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | #topic Vancouver Summit planning | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | the etherpad is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-liberty-summit-planning | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | I've added a couple of things…let's plan to do a bit more discussion next week | 19:30 |
| stevemar | oh theres actually stuff there | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | I think the session schedule will be firmed up by then | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I'm mostly worried about conflicts there | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | next week we can sort what is a fishbowl and what is a working session | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | There is a proposed session for cross-project that wants to include OSC | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 line 19 | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | and for completeness, also an SDK proposal of line 14 | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | anything else about Vancouver? | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | besides me getting a hotel within two blocks for the first time in two years? | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:36 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: congrats on the hotel! :-) | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | thank Intel ;) | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | so, just curious, am I going too fast in these meetings? | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | I think you're moving at a good pace | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, everything was booked close by | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, pace is fien | 19:37 |
| stevemar | no, pace is good, i'm just distracted | 19:37 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: earlier today you mentioned that osc can do the swift keystoen danc e properly for rax. But you said its not meant to be used as a lib | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | it sounded like several of us have multiple things going on at once today | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann, yeah | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | dtroyer: our goal with shade was to stop rewriting those workarounds everywhere. I take it that you would prefer osc to not be used for that? | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: and instead focus on console interaction? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | er dtroyer ^ | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | clarkb: ideally not, I don't want to repeat the cli/lib mess | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | ok | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | but yeah, the ClientManager handles all of the client juggling and forces them all to use ksc's auth plugins | 19:38 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: does it determine the correct tenant id for swift which is different than the one for nova on rax? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: ^ that specifically is the workaround I have in mind | 19:39 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, we still ended up writing our own apis and not pulling in swiftclient :\ | 19:39 |
| clarkb | also if anyone works at rax it would be awesome to fix that | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | raxers are just lurking | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | is there specialness for swift/rax? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: yes | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I don't think we do that specifc bit then | 19:40 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: you are given two tenants for swift and nova | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | this is completely undocumented and the first time you try to use swift its full of wtf | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | earlier I was just referring to the general client lib wrangling | 19:40 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: gotcha | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | it would be easier to add to osc though as all of our obejct store code is internal as stevemar said | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | but that doesn't help shade | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | unless we split this out…then we have another sdk. | 19:41 |
| clarkb | nah I think shade can handle the crazy | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | and we've looped back aound again | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:41 |
| clarkb | it started life as "well for rax we have to do this and for hpcloud we do that and now we have copied this code everywhere lets just make it a lib" | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | if nothing else, if we can write this stuff so a (cover your ears dhellmann) copy-n-paste would be simple | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: I find that a perfectly appropriate way of operating in some cases :-) | 19:42 |
| * dhellmann long live oslo-incubator! | 19:42 | |
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| dtroyer | so that was quick, anything else? I'm sure I missed something | 19:44 |
| dhellmann | I hope I am able to participate in more OSC sessions at this summit | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | that would be great… we have Thursday just before and after lunch, then Friday morning | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | looks like there are oslo and infra overlaps in some of those times, but I'll see what I can do | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | that's the morning one, the fishbowl | 19:47 |
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| dhellmann | k | 19:48 |
| dhellmann | most of thursday seems to have oslo sessions, but I should be able to step out of some of them | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | actually, there's one immediately before us in the fishbowl | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | okh, there is overlap with the afternoon too, i missed that | 19:49 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we have a couple of work sessions it looks like | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, if there is nothing else, we'll get 10 minutes back | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | ok, thanks everyone, spend your free time wisely! | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 19:51:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-23-19.02.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-23-19.02.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-23-19.02.log.html | 19:51 |
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| mriedem | nova meeting? | 21:01 |
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| bauzas | ping pong | 21:02 |
| alex_xu | same question... | 21:02 |
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| n0ano | tick, tick, ... | 21:02 |
| mriedem | mikal: ? | 21:02 |
| sc68cal | +1 | 21:02 |
| lennyb | according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova should be nova meeting | 21:02 |
| * jogo votes for mriedem to run the meeting assuming mikal is asleep or something | 21:03 | |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:03 |
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| edleafe | +1 | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i don't know all the things | 21:04 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 21:04 |
| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:04 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i'll run if you have the meeting-fu | 21:04 |
| edleafe | mriedem: but you fake it so well! | 21:04 |
| mriedem | *run it | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting | 21:04 |
| openstack | mriedem: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:04 |
| mriedem | ? | 21:04 |
| bauzas | eh eh | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 21:04:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:04 |
| jroll | someone should publish scripts for this :P | 21:04 |
| mriedem | who's around? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | no one? | 21:05 |
| bauzas | sooooo \o | 21:05 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:05 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:05 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:05 |
| tjones1 | hi | 21:05 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:05 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:05 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:05 |
| andreykurilin__ | o/ | 21:05 |
| mriedem | ok, meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:05 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 21:05 |
| bauzas | ping abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata | 21:05 |
| mriedem | release stuff - rc2 was out today | 21:05 |
| lennyb | hi | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | i don't know of plans for an rc3 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | sdague: dansmith: ^? | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | this was the rc2 content anyway https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-rc2 | 21:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | well well well | 21:06 |
| bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 21:06 |
| mriedem | this is the list of kilo-rc-potentials | 21:06 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 21:06 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:06 |
| mriedem | are there open stable/kilo reviews/ | 21:07 |
| mriedem | ? | 21:07 |
| mikal | Hi as well, sorry, I thought this was the early week for some reason | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/kilo,n,z | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | anyone have rc questions/issues? | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 21:08 |
| dansmith | sorry, I'm late | 21:08 |
| mriedem | like everyone | 21:08 |
| jroll | so I'm curious if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176396/ is worth getting into rc3 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | sheesh | 21:08 |
| jroll | small simple fix | 21:08 |
| mriedem | jroll: i don't think so | 21:08 |
| dansmith | nope | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | there are many small simple fixes | 21:08 |
| mriedem | jroll: stable/kilo backport is fine | 21:09 |
| mriedem | but not holding up rc | 21:09 |
| mriedem | *release | 21:09 |
| jroll | how often do backports release? | 21:09 |
| bauzas | is there any big issue needing an RC3 ? really ? | 21:09 |
| dansmith | nothing up is worth an rc3 at this point, IMHO | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: best for backporting I suspect now | 21:09 |
| mriedem | jroll: there is a wiki for that somewhere | 21:09 |
| mriedem | the stable maintainers plan those out i think | 21:09 |
| jroll | yeah, that's fine, just cringing at thinking about all the people asking why that doesn't work :P | 21:09 |
| jroll | thanks | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy_w | kilo-backport-potential is the tag I think | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 21:10 |
| bauzas | mriedem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential sees nothing critical | 21:10 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy_w: yeah, it's tagged | 21:10 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we can just say no RC3 | 21:10 |
| bauzas | and do backporting to kilo if needed later | 21:10 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:10 |
| mriedem | moving on? | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: will have to be critical to trigger RC3 I would suspect, something might come up, but lets hope not | 21:10 |
| mriedem | blueprints for liberty are open | 21:10 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/liberty | 21:10 |
| mriedem | specs are under review | 21:11 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed, just not atm :) | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | so please target for liberty if you want to merge code in liberty | 21:11 |
| mriedem | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/liberty-1 | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so we might stop using milestones like we used to | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a wiki page on the new plan | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i can't live w/o an integrated release | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, just going to use milestones to say what shipped | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we never could predict when, so lets give up messing around with that, basically | 21:12 |
| dansmith | +1 | 21:12 |
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| jogo | +1 | 21:13 |
| bauzas | cool | 21:13 |
| alaski | sounds great | 21:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so summit ideas, there is a plan for a nova-drivers meeting on monday, 21.00UTC I think | 21:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the time might change, but thats the general idea | 21:13 |
| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 21:13 |
| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so please get your ideas in, so we can do a first pass | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to pick deadlines etc, etc, and advertise them, but yeah, usual things really | 21:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we might try ask for pre-reading like we did last time, if that helped people? | 21:15 |
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| mikal | I think that's a good idea | 21:15 |
| alaski | seemed to help | 21:15 |
| mikal | It makes the session more efficient | 21:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, I think it did too, lets do it | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | for feature discussion, I am thinking at least an outline of a spec, but lets see what suggestions we have for sessions I guess, and see what they each need | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess people saw the timetable? | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | Tuesday: cross project/ops Wed, Thursday: Nova all day, Friday: meetup style | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | wed + thurs^ | 21:17 |
| mriedem | thurs afternoon being a 2 block session on prioriites? | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | *priorities even | 21:17 |
| mriedem | we didn't use the whole time in paris but it was helpful leading into friday | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we might have to move that down by one session and finish with nova-network, but yeah, that really helped | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | scroll down to the bottom I sketched a few idea in there, but they are random at this point | 21:18 |
| mriedem | some of these are obvious 2 block sessions, like nova-network/neutron | 21:18 |
| mriedem | but with topics like quotas, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | that seems like a mess so not sure if it'll be 1 or 2 sessions worth | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | 'we know there are problems, go!' | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: we can splill over into the meetup at least | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | yeah...i'm just thinking, more prep work is needed there for a productive outcome | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I hope we get a bit more on the table for those, but lets see :) | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: exactly what I was thinking | 21:19 |
| jogo | quotas one should have some pre-reading as based on what Vek says I think we can simplify things significantly | 21:19 |
| bauzas | eh, sounds like Thrusday is already planned :) | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | yeah idk about some of these in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | i mean, they are good, but some just sound like they are going to be a mess, | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, +1 | 21:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the way I was thinking | 21:21 |
| mriedem | e.g. pulling out virt drivers and/or scaling out reviews | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | Wednesday lets to non-ops related | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | Thursday, more ops-ey | 21:21 |
| bauzas | oh ok | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | as there are no ops sessions on Thursday | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats just a random scheduling idea | 21:21 |
| bauzas | sounds a good idea - some issues are not related to only one component - like error logging | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | well, tuesday is cross-project day right? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | monday is operators meetup | 21:22 |
| mriedem | wed-thurs is project specifi | 21:22 |
| mriedem | *specific | 21:22 |
| mriedem | friday is pants off dance off | 21:22 |
| sc68cal | woo! | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: roughly, but ops have stuff on Wed as well now | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | let me find the link... | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit?usp=sharing | 21:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I guess we should move on, ideas please on the etherpads | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i can't tell if it's better to do the nebulous / controversial talks earlier in the week or later | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you are wanting to lead something, do put your name down | 21:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its tempting to leave some to friday afternoon, but they are more important than that really | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | last time, I think friday was full of things we found during the week, right? | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we sure need to leave time for that | 21:25 |
| dansmith | so I'm hestitant to plan to much so we don't lose that time to discuss things that come up | 21:25 |
| dansmith | *too | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats fair | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its an excuse for only using one slot earlier in the week I guess | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but hopefully that all becomes obvious | 21:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more on liberty release stuff? | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: is it time for bug chat? | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:28 |
| mriedem | gate is fine | 21:28 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 21:28 |
| mriedem | busted yesterday, fixed today | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | there isn't anything in the agenda about bugs | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, there was | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:29 |
| dansmith | that was probably old | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | yeah it's blank now | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I updated it, honest, mostly deleted stuff | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh I see, yeah, nothing more in there | 21:29 |
| jogo | still working in getting shelving working better for multinode | 21:29 |
| jogo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1445569 | 21:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445569 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "No dhcp lease after shelve unshelve" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: how is multinode generally? | 21:30 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: that is the last big issue actually | 21:30 |
| jogo | getting close to being able to gate on it | 21:30 |
| dansmith | multinode is rocking | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 21:30 |
| jogo | and make it default | 21:30 |
| jogo | http://jogo.github.io/gate/multinode.html | 21:30 |
| * johnthetubaguy group hug | 21:30 | |
| jogo | very very rough numbers | 21:30 |
| jogo | looks really stable today | 21:30 |
| mriedem | shelve was the last failure i saw on it too | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | (un)shelve | 21:31 |
| mriedem | also, the cells job was green earlier in the week | 21:31 |
| jogo | possible fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85249/18 | 21:31 |
| mriedem | alaski: any regressions on the cells job? | 21:31 |
| dansmith | so I think alaski was going to bring up making cells voting here | 21:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | cells starting to pass, multi-node starting to pass, what is this strange planet I have landed on? | 21:31 |
| dansmith | from what I've seen it's pretty stable | 21:31 |
| alaski | there have been a few failures in the cells job | 21:31 |
| alaski | not many though | 21:31 |
| dansmith | alaski: are they cells-related or normal failures? | 21:31 |
| mriedem | actual cells problems though? | 21:31 |
| dansmith | jinx | 21:31 |
| jogo | alaski: failures as in instabilities in the test? | 21:32 |
| alaski | likely race conditions, haven't had a chance to dig | 21:32 |
| jogo | how far are we from voting on cells? | 21:32 |
| jogo | ahh | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i guess we can check logstash | 21:32 |
| bauzas | alaski: race conditions related the one we know ? | 21:32 |
| dansmith | jogo: the point is, we're close | 21:32 |
| bauzas | alaski: like on instance.save() ? | 21:32 |
| jogo | dansmith: \o/ | 21:32 |
| alaski | bauzas: very likely, need some time to confirm | 21:32 |
| bauzas | alaski: okay, sounds like we need to bust it | 21:32 |
| bauzas | anyway | 21:33 |
| dansmith | so maybe plan for next week at the meeting, after we've had time to digest them? | 21:33 |
| alaski | yes, that would be good | 21:33 |
| dansmith | plan to revisit and maybe make it voting, that is | 21:33 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:33 |
| alaski | I have an idea for a fix as well, just need to do it | 21:33 |
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| alaski | if it's what I think it is | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | so, moving on? | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:35 |
| mriedem | yeah, only open discussion was a review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174764/ | 21:35 |
| mriedem | which isn't a stuck revivew | 21:35 |
| mriedem | well, maybe | 21:35 |
| mriedem | mikal: -1'ed | 21:35 |
| dansmith | no | 21:35 |
| dansmith | I don't think it's stuck | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might need a -2 due to an non-approved spec, but that seems harsh on a first time contribution | 21:36 |
| dansmith | it's a spec | 21:36 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't read, sorry | 21:36 |
| bauzas | we need to digest it | 21:36 |
| dansmith | but it might need a -2 based on the thing it's trying to do :) | 21:36 |
| dansmith | I think this is, yet again, something we don't want to do in nova | 21:37 |
| mriedem | it wants nova to do health monitoring of compute nodes to automatically fence them i think based on hw failures | 21:37 |
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| dansmith | not fencing, | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I am going to attempt a dev ref doc to describe those | 21:37 |
| dansmith | just reporting health and scheduling based on it I think | 21:37 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: to describe what? | 21:37 |
| mriedem | ok, didn't read the details, just mikal's response | 21:37 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: speaking of the sched efforts ? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | we've been through this before with previous attempts to schedule based on link state, etc | 21:38 |
| bauzas | that's all related to extensibility | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: things like, not keen on orchestration in nova, etc, trying to describe the project scope a little, and keep a list of examples for when this stuff comes back around | 21:38 |
| bauzas | atm, sounds hard to do that easily | 21:38 |
| alaski | it sounds like we could use some documentation on what is appropriate to feed into the scheduler | 21:38 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: ah, cool | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, thats very true | 21:39 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: sounds like it falls under what you just described | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | yep | 21:39 |
| dansmith | I'd like to -2 with a url to why :) | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: you are reading my mind | 21:39 |
| dansmith | this falls under section 4 of "we don't do this" | 21:39 |
| dansmith | devref/things-we-don't-do.rst | 21:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try do something like that, I think we might need it soon | 21:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 21:40 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:40 |
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| bauzas | well, that's actually a fair question ? what's a resource that the RT needs to track ? | 21:40 |
| bauzas | but let's discuss that in the devref change :) | 21:40 |
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| dansmith | yep | 21:41 |
| dansmith | so, what else? | 21:42 |
| andreykurilin__ | I have a topic/request for discussion. | 21:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the agenda has run dry | 21:42 |
| mikal | So to summarize that review, dansmith agrees with me? | 21:42 |
| * sc68cal has a topic for open discussion | 21:42 | |
| mikal | I'll get some sort of commemorative plague made immediately | 21:42 |
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| dansmith | mikal: and not even because I have to anymore! | 21:42 |
| alaski | I hope you meant plaque | 21:42 |
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| dansmith | haha | 21:42 |
| jogo | lol | 21:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 21:42 |
| mikal | alaski: possibly, I need a dictionary | 21:42 |
| dansmith | alaski: maybe not | 21:42 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, I'm not assuming | 21:43 |
| beagles | just a little plague.. like the sniffles and a localized rash | 21:43 |
| dansmith | hah | 21:43 |
| mriedem | so andreykurilin and sc68cal had things | 21:43 |
| mriedem | andreykurilin: you're first | 21:43 |
| andreykurilin__ | thanks) | 21:43 |
| dansmith | bonus points for brevity | 21:43 |
| andreykurilin__ | There is a chain of patches in novaclient related to support of microversion. Can I ask you to review them? They are already finished, just waiting for review and small fix in nova. | 21:43 |
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| mriedem | so that's not controversial this week? | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I think we talked about this in a recent week, right? | 21:44 |
| mriedem | it was last week | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin__: you got the link to those now? | 21:44 |
| andreykurilin__ | last patch in chain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136458/ | 21:44 |
| andreykurilin__ | and thread in mailing http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061183.html | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | speaking of microversions, i've been wondering about testing with those in tempest... | 21:46 |
| andreykurilin__ | functional job is failed in last patch due to small bug in nova api side | 21:46 |
| mriedem | but i'll wait | 21:46 |
| mikal | andreykurilin__: does that bug fix need a back port to kilo? | 21:47 |
| mriedem | moving on? | 21:47 |
| andreykurilin__ | mikal: it should be merged to master at first:) | 21:47 |
| * mriedem looks at clock | 21:47 | |
| andreykurilin__ | mikal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176817/ | 21:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yes | 21:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | its tagged so thats cool | 21:47 |
| mriedem | sc68cal: you're up | 21:48 |
| * sc68cal prepares paste | 21:48 | |
| sc68cal | If we could take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168701/ ? It's the last patch before we can merge the dual stack testing change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160856/), that'd be great. | 21:48 |
| lennyb | I know its not in agenda, but I would like to bring up http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058779.html | 21:48 |
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| sc68cal | and then | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | Cross-project coordination | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062327.html | 21:48 |
| * sc68cal is finished | 21:48 | |
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| mriedem | sc68cal: has anyone said they'd be the nova counterpart there? | 21:49 |
| * mriedem nominates beagles | 21:49 | |
| sc68cal | mriedem: i'll check the ml, but not to my knowledge | 21:49 |
| mriedem | beagles has had some specs for redoing the neutronv2 api in nova, so that's why i threw him under the bus | 21:49 |
| mriedem | ok, lennyb? | 21:50 |
| beagles | mriedem, I was thinking of stepping forward, but I wanted to make sure I have support from the PTB before doing so... as it happens my PTBs happen to be on holiday the last couple of days | 21:50 |
| mriedem | PTB? | 21:50 |
| beagles | powers that be | 21:50 |
| lennyb | mriedem, yeah | 21:50 |
| mriedem | beagles: understandable | 21:50 |
| beagles | in any case... I'd like to play part regardless | 21:51 |
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| mriedem | lennyb: i'm all for pci ci | 21:51 |
| mriedem | in nova | 21:51 |
| mriedem | we have intel ci so what's the difference with mellanox pci ci? | 21:51 |
| dansmith | tests their adapters, I assume | 21:51 |
| dansmith | they have a different vif driver, right? | 21:51 |
| lennyb | We are asking to permit us non voting nova ci. | 21:51 |
| n0ano | mriedem, that'd be my guess, Intel CI only tests intel NICs | 21:52 |
| anteaya | to clarify they just want permission to comment | 21:52 |
| mriedem | yeah, i was wondering if there was some non-vendor pci code that the mellanox job hits which the intel one doesn't | 21:52 |
| dansmith | yes | 21:52 |
| mriedem | b/c it's my understanding that the intel pci ci is pretty limited to the configuration it tests | 21:52 |
| anteaya | I think the email might have been interpreted as them requesting voting permissions, which they aren't at the moment | 21:52 |
| dansmith | the vif driver | 21:52 |
| lennyb | we have our own cards and drivers | 21:52 |
| dansmith | anteaya: it says commenting | 21:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | lennyb: I guess you publish the list of tempest tests you run? | 21:52 |
| anteaya | dansmith: yes | 21:52 |
| mriedem | lennyb: is it even tempest? | 21:52 |
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| mriedem | intel pci ci isn't *tempest* per se, it's their own tests in a tempest framework | 21:53 |
| mriedem | and i don't know if those tests are on github | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | lennyb: so is your test code in the open somewhere? | 21:53 |
| lennyb | mriedem, it's tempest | 21:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | perfect, sounds like we want it then | 21:54 |
| jogo | how do tempest tests test the PCI bits? | 21:54 |
| mriedem | but is it http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/ ? | 21:54 |
| dansmith | hopefully it's tempest plus some pci bits right? | 21:54 |
| mriedem | yes, i assume that's what it is ^ | 21:54 |
| dansmith | I didn't think we had much if any tempest pci tests | 21:54 |
| mriedem | we don't | 21:54 |
| mriedem | i'm wondering if the extra bits are on github | 21:54 |
| lennyb | and we are working to add more tests to SRiOV | 21:54 |
| dansmith | so if not, then it's not testing much | 21:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | is that not just boot a VM sorts of tests? if its SRiOV | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: depends on the flavor and configuration I guess | 21:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | very true | 21:55 |
| dansmith | how about this, | 21:55 |
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| lennyb | there are also different port configurations like direct | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | lennyb: can you post to the ML about what you're running now, what it's covering other than what we have with infra, what your plans are for the future, and links to code and reports? | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: do we have that list of test requirements still? | 21:56 |
| dansmith | I think we don't need to spend time on the meeting discussing this, we just need to have details to look at | 21:56 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: it's probably very out of date | 21:56 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: and not quite aimed at this specifically | 21:56 |
| anteaya | just for perspective, this is why they begin commenting, so that you can look at what they provide and they can fill in gaps as they go along | 21:57 |
| dansmith | anteaya: I think we just want some indication that it's testing useful things | 21:57 |
| dansmith | anteaya: but also, that's why we don't really need to discuss it here I think | 21:57 |
| anteaya | dansmith: that's fine | 21:57 |
| dansmith | let's just get some more details, and plan to follow up on the ML | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we ask questions on the ML thread, which is cool | 21:58 |
| anteaya | they have just been trying to get some response for 2 months is all | 21:58 |
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| dansmith | and anteaya and lennyb can poke johnthetubaguy mriedem and myself if it's not answered in a few days, okay? | 21:58 |
| anteaya | dansmith: can do, thank you | 21:58 |
| lennyb | dansmith: I will post to ML. | 21:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 21:58 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: mriedem cool with that? | 21:58 |
| lennyb | thanks | 21:58 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 21:58 |
| mriedem | 2 min left | 21:58 |
| mriedem | let's close | 21:58 |
| dansmith | please :) | 21:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:58 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-23-21.04.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-23-21.04.txt | 21:58 |
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