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| annegentle | ok, who's here for the doc team meeting? | 14:00 |
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| * AJaeger is | 14:00 | |
| gpocentek | o/ | 14:00 |
| annegentle | hi! | 14:00 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 22 14:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| Olga__ | Hi) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Here's our agenda | 14:00 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
| Maria_ | Hi! | 14:00 |
| Olena | o/ | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | hi! good group! | 14:01 |
| annegentle | Ok, first order of business | 14:01 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:01 | |
| annegentle | asettle to investigate first week of june for another APAC openstack docs f2f | 14:01 |
| annegentle | haven't heard if that went thru | 14:01 |
| annegentle | Lana to report back on i18n RST issues | 14:01 |
| annegentle | we've worked that through I believe | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | Lana to change meeting schedule to alternating weeks -- but really we'll discuss :) | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | from the prior week | 14:02 |
| annegentle | annegentle to patch openstack/governance to show move | 14:02 |
| annegentle | Done | 14:02 |
| annegentle | that was for the security guide | 14:02 |
| annegentle | or did I? Hm. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | annegentle to give latest Security Guide PDF link to Foundation to upload to Lulu | 14:02 |
| annegentle | I'm working on that with Stefano | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | Ok I think I still need to patch openstack/governance to show move of security | 14:03 |
| annegentle | doc | 14:03 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to patch openstack/governance to move security-doc to that team | 14:03 |
| annegentle | #topic PTL changes: Anne will complete Kilo, Lana is planning Liberty | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL changes: Anne will complete Kilo, Lana is planning Liberty (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:04 | |
| annegentle | Really that is more of "info" than anything, to be sure you all know who to go to for what until April 30th | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | any questions about that? | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #topic Kilo tasks | 14:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo tasks (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:04 | |
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| annegentle | So, the RST publishing is complete, except for the .htaccess redirects, which are in progress in a patch | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | We're having a bug triaging day tomorrow, Thursday. Along with a Networking Guide doc day, same day. | 14:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heloooo | 14:06 |
| annegentle | morning! | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | #topic Docs specs in review | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:06 | |
| annegentle | Lana has a work-in-progress spec for the User Guide for Liberty | 14:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: bus timing issues | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: understood | 14:06 |
| annegentle | And the Training team has a bunch of specs they need to review | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Anyone here from training? | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, could you ping sarob to comment on the specs, please? | 14:07 |
| annegentle | #info Training team needs to review their specs in the docs-specs repo | 14:07 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: Lana and I both have more than once :) | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | ;( | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | he's transitioning jobs and it's hectic but other team members need to get on it to fill in | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, let's consider abandoning them... | 14:08 |
| annegentle | I think we talked about this next topic last time, but we can talk more if needed | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: well, that's one idea | 14:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: or they need training-specs? | 14:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: not sure their plains | 14:08 |
| annegentle | er, plans | 14:08 |
| annegentle | #topic Next migration project | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next migration project (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:08 | |
| AJaeger | since they're not here, let's not discuss further | 14:08 |
| annegentle | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10HD6iW1CtfB1qT2wVODYiHdC0ysr4xw392VCqHB-aaY/edit?usp=sharing | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Like I said, I think that we discussed last time | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | please include translators in this discussion | 14:09 |
| annegentle | but wanted to be sure its on everyone's radar, the data behind it | 14:09 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 14:09 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ah yes. | 14:09 |
| annegentle | hey dguitarbite | 14:09 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: I'll circle to you when we go through specialty teams | 14:10 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so is the action for Lana to reach out to translation? (It's a Liberty thing to me) | 14:10 |
| dguitarbite | sure, I have nothing in particular. Thanks. | 14:10 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, agreed | 14:10 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Let's go through specialty teams | 14:10 |
| annegentle | #topic HA Guide - Needs an updated spec | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HA Guide - Needs an updated spec (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:11 | |
| annegentle | Anyone here know if a spec is in the works? I know nickchase is away from computer for a bit | 14:11 |
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| * AJaeger hasn't seen one materialize yet ;( | 14:11 | |
| annegentle | right | 14:11 |
| annegentle | we'll leave it on as a reminder :) | 14:11 |
| annegentle | #info HA guide needs an updated spec proposed to docs-specs | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent been in the ha meetings lately | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Anything else on ha guide? | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | too much.. kilo | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | Yeah it's a secondary priority for sure | 14:12 |
| annegentle | #topic Training Guides | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Training Guides (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:12 | |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: we were wondering if you have someone who can clean up all the specs in docs-specs | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | Lana and I have asked Sean a few times | 14:12 |
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| dguitarbite | annegentle: training guides specific? | 14:13 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: yep | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: five of them | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/docs-specs+status:open,n,z | 14:13 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I will bring this up in next meeting | 14:13 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: thanks much appreciated. I know you all too are focused on Kilo/Summit | 14:14 |
| dguitarbite | by clean ups do you mean deleting the old specs? | 14:14 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: whatever you guys think is right | 14:14 |
| dguitarbite | or just update the status | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | dguitarbite, deleting or giving lots of positive air ;) | 14:14 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: mostly show they are being worked on | 14:14 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: or not, whatever the case may be :) | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | annegentle and myself can approve but will only do so if there's consensus | 14:14 |
| dguitarbite | Ok, I think I get the gist of it. | 14:15 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: dguitarbite: and we can talk about you guys getting your own specs repo if you are thinking of proposing a separate project, haven't heard if that's on your road map | 14:15 |
| annegentle | But that's Liberty timing so really Lana can guide | 14:15 |
| annegentle | #topic Install Guides - RST conversion convo | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Install Guides - RST conversion convo (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:16 | |
| annegentle | So I have status reports from Karin, Matt, and Christian as she was tripled booked this morning | 14:16 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: would it be good time after the first slides are published? | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:16 |
| dguitarbite | then we may have more time to focus on having a new repository and be a separate project | 14:16 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: not sure what you are asking, good time for? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: ah ok | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: she sent our e-mails to you? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yes | 14:16 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: you are asking if its a good idea to gradute training guides | 14:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool, so you know what's up | 14:17 |
| dguitarbite | if I am correct | 14:17 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: I don't know your plans | 14:17 |
| mattgriffin | annegentle, re: HA Guide... spec is in progress. hoping to submit by EOW | 14:17 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: that's all | 14:17 |
| annegentle | mattgriffin: ah good, thanks! | 14:17 |
| mattgriffin | yw | 14:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | making lots of progress, although i havent seen a patch to make rhel/sles use apache with keystone, so i'm wondering how people are actually testing things | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | ok | 14:18 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, worked fine the old way for me ;) | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: Christian is at a customer site | 14:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: keystone deprecated eventlet, so it has to go | 14:19 |
| dguitarbite | AJaeger: annegentle: Lets catch up later on the ML about the status of training guides. | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | Christian said in his status that he has tested it | 14:19 |
| dguitarbite | Sam-I-Am: it works fine the old way :) | 14:19 |
| annegentle | it being Identity | 14:19 |
| dguitarbite | for opensuse | 14:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | deprecated things work | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | but are deprecated | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | the spec says we're avoiding deprecations | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/kilo/installguide-kilo.html | 14:20 |
| annegentle | it is under mandatory | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | crickets : | 14:21 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, yeah. | 14:21 |
| annegentle | well, let's talk about whether this is the last release with all the distros in one set of files | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | no fixy, no publishy | 14:21 |
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| annegentle | then each distro could write their own spec | 14:21 |
| annegentle | but for kilo it's all in one set of files | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah, and no. | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | having different distros do different things sounds like a recipe for disaster when it comes to support | 14:22 |
| annegentle | that's certainly a consideration | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | please one file, we can handle that easily if we exclude Debian ;) | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty much | 14:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all of the openstack services should use the same configs regardless of distro | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | its the system-level stuff thats different | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... package names. | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | of course, if we go to a source-based install (ha ha) | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Okay then we still need patches for rhel/sles to use apache with keystone | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 14:24 |
| annegentle | #info need patches for rhel/sles to use apache with keystone | 14:24 |
| annegentle | anything else? | 14:24 |
| annegentle | Christian will circle back on nova-network and Object Storage testing by end of week he says | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | more testing of all the things, of course | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's still a blocker-ish bug with the ubuntu packages | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | oh one more thing | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need to test swift and ceilometer | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | #info please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/KiloDocTesting with current status | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah ^ | 14:25 |
| annegentle | is sahara in scope or optional? | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | if there's packages for all the distros we can try to make it work | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i'm not familiar with it | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, if there's time, and we can find resources | 14:26 |
| AJaeger | sahara is part of the guide - but I consider it more optional | 14:26 |
| annegentle | I think it is optional then | 14:26 |
| annegentle | yep | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | same with trove | 14:26 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats been a disaster too | 14:26 |
| annegentle | agreed | 14:26 |
| annegentle | well, teams need to bring their own patches past Compute/Identity/Storage/Networking | 14:26 |
| AJaeger | I wouldn't reject a patch to remove trove and sahara from the install guide to reduce the scope of the guide | 14:26 |
| annegentle | heh there's a hint | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174723/ | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | can someone mergerate that mess? | 14:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its causing a lot of dependent patches | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: involvement by those teams would be really helpful | 14:27 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, you can approve ;) | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: i rebased it, is that ok? | 14:27 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: merge it wouldja? :) | 14:27 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | didnt know i could do that if i messed with it | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | but ok, mergerating | 14:27 |
| AJaeger | I was wiating for you on that one - next time give at least a +1. | 14:28 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sure, esp. at release time | 14:28 |
| AJaeger | Go ahead and +2A | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | done | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | lets see what it breaks | 14:28 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:28 |
| annegentle | #topic User Guides - IA of guides | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Guides - IA of guides (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:28 | |
| annegentle | Lana has a spec started as a WIP | 14:28 |
| annegentle | Join in those weekly meetings with the Aussies if you're interested! | 14:28 |
| annegentle | #topic Security Guide | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Guide (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:28 | |
| annegentle | I have been working on a print-ready PDF so that I can document the process. | 14:29 |
| annegentle | Just waiting for word from that team when they consider it ready for another PDF on Lulu | 14:29 |
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| annegentle | I think it's close | 14:29 |
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| annegentle | #topic API docs | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API docs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:29 | |
| annegentle | Diane has been going great gangbusters on patches, trying to get Compute v2.1 API docs in shape | 14:30 |
| annegentle | it's a ton of work. a metric ton | 14:30 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, do you have the firstapp guide on your list to discuss for today? | 14:30 |
| annegentle | No, but let's talk about it here, it's more-or-less API | 14:30 |
| * AJaeger fears to review her HUGE patches, they are soo many lines changed... | 14:30 | |
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| AJaeger | she has too many patches in flight and therefore quite often merge conflicts | 14:31 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I know... and you can tell she's debugging since she's commenting out the pom. | 14:31 |
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| AJaeger | reviewing help would be apprecitated | 14:31 |
| annegentle | yep, pinged her about all the rebases this morning | 14:31 |
| annegentle | #info Reviewing help on api-site would be much appreciated | 14:31 |
| AJaeger | Yeah, missed that in some reviews I fear ;( | 14:31 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah it happened! but was caught and fixed | 14:31 |
| annegentle | okay, on to the First App tutorial | 14:32 |
| annegentle | The spec merged | 14:32 |
| AJaeger | regarding firstapp: Document is in and I've started cleaning up and gating on it | 14:32 |
| annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/kilo/openstack-firstapp.html | 14:32 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: great, thank you | 14:32 |
| AJaeger | I need some reviews on api-site for these | 14:32 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: okay, I'll ask Diane as well. | 14:32 |
| annegentle | I want to test the samples, and I'm slowwww :) | 14:32 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-site+owner:%22Andreas+Jaeger+%253Cjaegerandi%2540gmail.com%253E%22,n,z | 14:32 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: great! | 14:33 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-site+owner:%22Andreas+Jaeger+%253Cjaegerandi%2540gmail.com%253E%22,n,z | 14:33 |
| annegentle | #info Please review the First App tutorial | 14:33 |
| annegentle | Christian wants to add php-cloud examples next | 14:33 |
| AJaeger | we need editors to go over the text as well, I'm concentrating on toolchain integration now | 14:33 |
| annegentle | #info Needs text editing | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: got it | 14:34 |
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| annegentle | Okay anything else on API docs, First App? | 14:34 |
| annegentle | We now have anchor links for each operation in the API ref | 14:34 |
| annegentle | Such as http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html#getImage-v2 | 14:35 |
| annegentle | #topic Networking Guide - Test & review | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Networking Guide - Test & review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:35 | |
| annegentle | Tomorrow is their sprint day | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Join in #openstack-sprint all day | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm sprinting at the dentist | 14:36 |
| annegentle | Any reports on that? You guys have done a good job communicating on the list | 14:36 |
| * AJaeger joins Sam-I-Am for an hour ;) | 14:36 | |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ugh | 14:36 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ha! | 14:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're trying to get the scenarios converted | 14:36 |
| AJaeger | I meant :( | 14:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're really important to publish prior to the summit | 14:36 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: all of them? I thought a subset | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i'd like to see all of them published | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the most popular ones would help | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | DVR is a big deal, imho | 14:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | since theres zero other documentation for it | 14:37 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok as long as people know what's top priority so they can organize their day tomorrow | 14:37 |
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| AJaeger | there shouldn't be any open reviews at the momeent for the networking guide - so clean slate to send patches in ;) | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: pretty sure we prioritized stuff at last week's meeting using an etherpad | 14:38 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok, cool | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | also the draft publishing thing is very useful | 14:38 |
| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 14:38 |
| annegentle | #info Please sign up for work on the Etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like no one's converted the DVR scenario :/ | 14:38 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | so that should be prio #1 for thursday | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm going to try to write scenario 4b if i get time | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | it should be sort of easy | 14:40 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:40 |
| annegentle | added a note to the etherpad | 14:40 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools update: use 2.1.4 clouddocs-maven-plugin for Kilo | 14:40 |
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| annegentle | I think I've patched all our guides that use clouddocs-maven-plugin to use 2.1.4 | 14:40 |
| annegentle | it's tiny changes so hopefully we don't have any problems | 14:41 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, trove as well? | 14:41 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: I met with laurelm this week and she's going to take a look, but I didn't change their version, no | 14:41 |
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| AJaeger | if she's aware, that's ok... | 14:42 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: hm, not really, I'll follow up | 14:42 |
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| AJaeger | you know trove is the only python project that uses clouddocs-maven-plugin | 14:42 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to check with trove team and Laurel about their WADL/Docbook guide embedded in trove repo | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah, they want their devs to review it, which is great and all, but not sure if they have other integrations that mean it needs to stay there. | 14:43 |
| annegentle | #topic Vancouver Summit | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Docs_Liberty_Design_Sessions | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit?usp=sharing | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | Please add your needs for in-person discussion to the Etherpad | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Also, Lana has proposed a cross-project Docs session | 14:44 |
| annegentle | The schedule is the second link | 14:44 |
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| annegentle | and Lana is following up with Tom about the Operators session, the goals there, and so on. | 14:44 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: do you think an ops docs session is useful at the summit? | 14:44 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I wanted to hear from you since you were at the ops midcycle | 14:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yes | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: there's definitely things they want to see | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what i'd really like from ops is "here's how you should really do this" scenarios | 14:45 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: but is it a session like "hey you do this" instead of "how do I help?" | 14:45 |
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| annegentle | know what I mean? | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | ehhh | 14:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thinking... | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think its a little give and take | 14:47 |
| annegentle | So far the title is just "Docs" ha ha ha | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | like... people who actually use openstack, are there any things the docs could do better... and we'd like some volunteers to help | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | like the HA guide, for example | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | perhaps case studies "we do this, here's why" | 14:48 |
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| annegentle | ok | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | contributions to the architecture guide | 14:48 |
| annegentle | right | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | things that new people can read and get ideas without having to reinvent the weel | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | wheel | 14:48 |
| annegentle | I'll let Lana and Tom sort it out to get the right people there. | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | one thing i recall from the ops meetup is everyone does everything differently | 14:48 |
| egon | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 14:48 |
| annegentle | for sure. | 14:48 |
| egon | There's a lot of need for things like "yes, you can do it *that* way, but it's a bad idea, because X" | 14:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | getting people who actually use openstack to contribute back is a Good Idea | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | hell, i dont run any production installs :) | 14:50 |
| egon | and getting a feel for "at what size does X stop working well" | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | +1 | 14:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | as long as those things are maintained | 14:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | stale docs suck | 14:51 |
| egon | Yes | 14:51 |
| egon | double +1 | 14:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | we have plenty of those | 14:51 |
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| annegentle | it's in a tough area though | 14:51 |
| annegentle | with the expansion of many services. | 14:51 |
| egon | it's a lot of work. | 14:51 |
| egon | but, I think it's valuable | 14:51 |
| annegentle | so I'm not pushing back, of course we want more docs contributors, but we may need to descope the docs themselves and find another way to have people self-publish | 14:51 |
| annegentle | Lana will have to sort it out | 14:51 |
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| annegentle | #topic APAC Meetups | 14:52 |
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| annegentle | Not as relevant to this side of the world, but check out two swarm dates | 14:52 |
| annegentle | #info Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up in May, ping asettle | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | they appear upside down to me | 14:52 |
| annegentle | #info Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 17-18 August | 14:52 |
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| annegentle | #topic Meeting time: switch to alternating weeks (rather than 1/3 and 2/4) | 14:52 |
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| annegentle | So apparently that's called fortnightly :) | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | calendaring systems have a much easier time with every-other | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | yep | 14:53 |
| annegentle | and the fifth week months won't throw us off | 14:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've missed the docs meeting quite a few times because calendar | 14:53 |
| annegentle | so I can't think of any objections | 14:53 |
| annegentle | we will need to find someone awake in this timezone to run these, Lana can't run both | 14:53 |
| annegentle | That'll probably happen in May | 14:54 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:54 |
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| annegentle | Anything else? | 14:54 |
| egon | The WTE group publishes a calendar | 14:54 |
| annegentle | WTE? Not familiar | 14:54 |
| egon | which I subscribe to, but to the accurate docs point, some of them are inaccurate | 14:54 |
| egon | Win The Enterprise | 14:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: of course you still want to run the meetings :) | 14:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: just like lana ran the apac ones | 14:54 |
| egon | It's a google cal: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/openstack.org_c3rclpidijlk4tma0vn0cbajrk%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: not in my todo list, it's being filled with all sorts of other fun stuff | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | ah got it egon | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | Okay, then! | 14:57 |
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| annegentle | Thanks all for attending. | 14:57 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| * AJaeger waves | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 22 14:57:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-22-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-22-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-22-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 14:58 |
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| egon | Cheers! | 14:58 |
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| russellb | wrong channel. | 15:12 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 22 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| rhe00 | hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| vilobhmm1 | Hello All ! | 16:00 |
| deepakcs | hello | 16:00 |
| thingee | announcements! | 16:00 |
| cebruns | Hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Common CI solution | 16:00 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061929.html | 16:00 |
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| thingee | This is of interest in our group from asselin | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | recommend interested in parties in helping improve our common CI solution for third parties to reach out to asselin to contribute | 16:02 |
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| winston-d_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | ok lets get started with the meeting | 16:02 |
| vilobhmm1 | sounds like a good idea the common ci soln | 16:02 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
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| avishay | hola | 16:02 |
| cebruns | 85 3rd part CIs registered? wow... | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #topic Cinder Liberty Midcycle Meetup Planning | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:03 |
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| thingee | we don't have a plan | 16:03 |
| thingee | should get a place/date figured out soon | 16:03 |
| e0ne | when do we plan to have it? | 16:03 |
| hemna | we might be able to host it here in CA | 16:03 |
| deepakcs | that etherpad is not opening for me | 16:03 |
| winston-d_ | can't wait until design summit? | 16:03 |
| hemna | I've spoken with my mgr in the past about it. | 16:03 |
| winston-d_ | hemna: that'll be nice | 16:04 |
| hemna | I'll have to ping him again to make sure | 16:04 |
| thingee | when did we have the fort collins one? | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: The sooner the better. | 16:04 |
| hemna | we did fort collins the first time around, last year | 16:04 |
| hemna | I don't mind going back! :) | 16:05 |
| hemna | my fly rod can come with me there. :P | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | *fish on* | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Certainly happy to host in FC again if that sorts people | 16:05 |
| cebruns | Mid-late August seems about right | 16:05 |
| thingee | was trying to remember the date of the midcycle then | 16:05 |
| thingee | got it | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | For Collins worked great as well. | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm1 | jan 25th or 27th | 16:05 |
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| thingee | cebruns: hey! | 16:05 |
| thingee | was hoping you were going to show up to this topic :) | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm1 | was the one for fort colling if i remember | 16:06 |
| thingee | vilobhmm1: I think that was Kilo midcycle | 16:06 |
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| vilobhmm1 | oh ok | 16:06 |
| cebruns | Yep - was thinking we could host, but Intel CO site is going through renovations (no big conference rooms) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm1: nahh... it was summer 8/10/14 | 16:06 |
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| cebruns | Don't think people want to do Phx in August. :) | 16:06 |
| thingee | jgriffith: thanks | 16:06 |
| hemna | lol | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, looks like it was that first week in August. | 16:07 |
| thingee | cebruns: ha yeah not so much | 16:07 |
| vilobhmm1 | jgriffith : oh okay | 16:07 |
| hemna | yah, Phx is warm in August. | 16:07 |
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| asselin | o/ | 16:07 |
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| thingee | maybe M midcycle | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | cebruns: No thank you. | 16:07 |
| hemna | we could 'save' Roseville, CA for winter midcycle meetup | 16:07 |
| thingee | ok so wanted to put that out there. I would like to have things figured out soon so I can coordinate with other projects. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Phx in January, yes. | 16:08 |
| hemna | wx here usually isn't bad. | 16:08 |
| thingee | last time we had people who were sad nova's was happening the same time as Cinder | 16:08 |
| winston-d_ | thingee: which is bad? | 16:08 |
| thingee | it would be great if I could delegate this to someone like jungleboyj did last time. ;) | 16:08 |
| hemna | shouldn't be too hard to coordinate it w/ the Nova meetup | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: You want me to lead this again? | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Is scottda about? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Or looking for someone to step up and run it for their site? | 16:09 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, can I put in a request for wifi this time around? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-p | 16:09 |
| hemna | :P | 16:09 |
| thingee | so whoever can offer a spot. please add it to the etherpad and we'll revisit and decide next week maybe? | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | i'll ask my manager this week | 16:10 |
| hemna | ok I'll ping my mgr about it and see. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Yeah, scottda did a great job! | 16:10 |
| e0ne | we've got office in Mounting View, CA | 16:10 |
| cebruns | I'd like to help out where possible though for L midcycle - at least get a dinner on the books or something... | 16:10 |
| avishay | i am not even offering :) | 16:10 |
| rhe00 | I'll ask here in Colorado Springs as well | 16:10 |
| winston-d_ | e0ne: In Mascow, yes! | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | winston-d_: Kharkiv or Lviv:) | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: He/we are happy to host again | 16:10 |
| vilobhmm1 | me too will ask | 16:10 |
| thingee | yes also people who can host dinners, please feel free to list those in the etherpad as well | 16:10 |
| esker | How big of a facility is needed? | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Yeah, I can check into that again. | 16:11 |
| hemna | we have good beer here in Roseville | 16:11 |
| esker | How many people in one room? Any need to have breakout rooms? | 16:11 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | avishay: We could sort something between us? | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I have heard. :-) Now we are talking about the important stuff. | 16:11 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: how many were at the last meetup? | 16:11 |
| hemna | :) | 16:11 |
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| scottda | hey | 16:11 |
| avishay | DuncanT: i don't think many will get travel approval :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | ~28 ... Let me double check. | 16:11 |
| thingee | esker: ^ | 16:11 |
| esker | jungleboyj: thx | 16:12 |
| thingee | ok good, conversations started. | 16:12 |
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| esker | thingee: I'll add to the etherpad if I can confirm one of our locations... want to validate we can get various IT network types to agree before I do so though... | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: 21 | 16:12 |
| thingee | esker: yes wifi was lacking at the last meetup | 16:12 |
| tbarron | good beer should be an ingredient in the weighing function for this decision | 16:12 |
| esker | They tend to be rather intractable about things... | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | tbarron: +2 | 16:13 |
| e0ne | tbarron: +A | 16:13 |
| thingee | we all had to tether to jungleboyj's phone | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | tbarron: +2/A | 16:13 |
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| vilobhmm1 | :) | 16:13 |
| cebruns | Ft. Collins has many breweries... :) | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Hey, it worked. | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: How much did you get charged last time? | 16:13 |
| avishay | beer is a weight function, not filter? :) | 16:13 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: never going to let that go. we can laugh about it now | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You pulled it off. | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: :) | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: It was all in my plan. :-) | 16:14 |
| esker | potential NetApp locations I might be able to offer up... Austin, TX, Raleigh, NC, Sunnyvale, CA | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | They did eventually fix it a few weeks later. | 16:14 |
| esker | any preferences? | 16:14 |
| winston-d_ | avishay: temperature is the filter | 16:14 |
| thingee | #action to send announcement on dev ML for midcycle meetup planning | 16:14 |
| avishay | winston-d_: :) | 16:14 |
| hemna | I'd like to see the east coast. NC | 16:14 |
| esker | FWIW, Ft. Collins has the beer thing covered rather well :-) | 16:14 |
| winston-d_ | avishay: they already filtered out PHX for summer | 16:14 |
| hemna | :P | 16:14 |
| tbarron | esker: I can find good beer in Austin or Raleigh for sure | 16:14 |
| cebruns | :) | 16:14 |
| thingee | #action thingee to send announcement on dev ML for midcycle meetup planning | 16:14 |
| avishay | winston-d_: sounds about right | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | esker: I hear the NetApp Tel Aviv office is nice, right on the beach | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: :D | 16:14 |
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| esker | DuncanT: true... beach volleyball at lunch... | 16:15 |
| avishay | DuncanT: I will never get travel approval for that | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Haven't been to NC yet. | 16:15 |
| e0ne | DuncanT, esker: and it's not too far for me:) | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Austin is... not pleasant... in the summer though, right?? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:15 |
| avishay | DuncanT: neither is tel aviv | 16:15 |
| esker | DuncanT: this is true | 16:15 |
| tbarron | avishay: :-) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | NC or CA would be my preference. | 16:15 |
| thingee | #topic OpenStack Liberty Summit Proposals | 16:15 |
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| winston-d_ | avishay: for Tel Aviv, can you just walk there? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Or CO again. | 16:16 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-proposed-sessions | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Actually, CO would probably be my top preference. | 16:16 |
| thingee | I have listed the number of slots available in each | 16:16 |
| avishay | winston-d_: 10 minute drive | 16:16 |
| thingee | fish bowl, working session, sprints | 16:16 |
| winston-d_ | avishay: nice | 16:16 |
| scottda | HP can host in Fort Collins for sure...I'll look into free beer from the local breweries. | 16:16 |
| hemna | well put the locations on the etherpad | 16:16 |
| scottda | (not kidding about the beer, I've connections) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | scottda: ++++1 :) | 16:16 |
| e0ne | thingee: what is sprint slot? something like at pycon? | 16:17 |
| hemna | scottda, lol! | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | CO it is. Hah | 16:17 |
| cebruns | LOL | 16:17 |
| thingee | e0ne: it's suppose to be a time for us to actually do work, while everyone is present | 16:17 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:17 |
| * jungleboyj will bring my wifi jammer to even the playing field. ;-) | 16:17 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:17 |
| thingee | also we can have talks like we did in paris where we talk about mock, or certain ide's, etc. | 16:18 |
| thingee | it's the slots for everything else basically. | 16:18 |
| thingee | and will last throughout friday | 16:18 |
| e0ne | i've missed these talks:( | 16:18 |
| hemna | you can work and drink beer at the same time right ? | 16:18 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: :) | 16:18 |
| thingee | hemna: sure | 16:18 |
| e0ne | hemna: sure | 16:18 |
| hemna | ok phew | 16:18 |
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| rhe00 | thingee: are these slots spread out Tuesday - Friday during the summit? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Heck yeah. | 16:19 |
| thingee | rhe00: that was my understanding yes. So fish bowl is good to get user's opinions and will be the normal larger audience sessions we've had in the past. | 16:19 |
| rhe00 | thingee: ok | 16:20 |
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| thingee | working sessions will be more low key. mainly hashing out internal bits to things users may or may not really care about | 16:20 |
| thingee | it will be a smaller room for sure. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | So we have more working sessions than slots proposed. What's the process for selection? | 16:20 |
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| thingee | so everyone who proposed a topic, please keep that in mind and move things around if necessary. I think some of the ones under working session have catchy titles | 16:21 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: voting! | 16:21 |
| thingee | like live migration | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : ok thanks for the clarification knowing diff between fish bowl and sprint was nice | 16:21 |
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| vilobhmm1 | %s/sprint/working session i mean | 16:21 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: yeah last time I kind of just discussed each one with people and we merged things, decided on other topics that might be more important to discuss in person and what made sense for the Friday only topics | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Did that work well? Seemed good as an attendee. | 16:22 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: yes the friday meetup/sprint thing was a success I thought. The room was packed for Cinder and people could barely hear me | 16:23 |
| thingee | that's going to be addressed this time. because well, people need to hear me. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Yeah, that room was loud. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that was good but the room was not. | 16:23 |
| hemna | it was basically useless in that room. | 16:23 |
| thingee | should have a dedicated room this time | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: We should have just started our own party on our side of the room. | 16:24 |
| hemna | bring a keg, boom box. | 16:24 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : have a suggestion; can we merge topics that address the same problem and have a bunch of us who are working on similar problem propose a combined session…i feel that way content of the talk will also be richer and we can cover different problem rather than different varient of smae problem ? | 16:24 |
| cebruns | need to bring a bullhorn? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Thought it was fun to watch DuncanT go over and stare at the other group. | 16:24 |
| thingee | vilobhmm1: yes please | 16:24 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: lol | 16:24 |
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| thingee | ok so please keep this all in mind and merge, move stuff around. Next meeting we will be finally deciding on things. | 16:25 |
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| vilobhmm1 | ok cool | 16:25 |
| thingee | also leave your name next to a topic so I know who is leading this | 16:25 |
| thingee | and so I can coordinate with you | 16:25 |
| thingee | anyone else want to add something to this? | 16:25 |
| cebruns | Seems like some sessions might be good as fishbowl, like: Asyncronous Error Reporting to the end user | 16:26 |
| thingee | #action thingee to start clean up before next Cinder meeting to decide on topics | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | cebruns: Yeah, that might be a good thougyht. | 16:26 |
| winston-d_ | cebruns: but that's rather technical actually | 16:26 |
| thingee | #action thingee to send reminder the Dev ML on decisions happening next week | 16:26 |
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| cebruns | winston-d_: Ok - was just judging by the title. | 16:27 |
| thingee | winston-d_: would you benefit from some parts getting user feedback? | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d_: There's no point designing the technical side until we know what sort of errors should go, if any | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d_: There's never been any agreement at all on that... | 16:28 |
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| thingee | I would say getting user feedback and then working out more technical stuff on friday | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT: well, yeah, I have to agree. | 16:28 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : one quick question if we don't get enough fish bowl slots or something like that can the extra slots be moved to proposed working sessions :) | 16:29 |
| cebruns | thingee: Are we locked on 5 fishbowls and 8 working? I remember some talk about moving those numbers. | 16:29 |
| thingee | we can still discuss technical stuff at the fish bowl... | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm1 | entries for fish bowl session | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm1 | ok | 16:29 |
| thingee | cebruns: yeah, I'll give up some fishbowl sessions if we don't use them | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | We can also use some of the sprint time to hit things that we don't get to in Working sessions. Right? | 16:29 |
| thingee | vilobhmm1: I could see, but might drive ttx crazy | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | LOL | 16:30 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:30 |
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| vilobhmm1 | haha | 16:30 |
| ttx | sleep deprivation probably | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:30 |
| winston-d_ | ttx: get some fish oil :) | 16:30 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yes | 16:30 |
| ttx | I'll get A BEER NOW | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | ttx +2 | 16:31 |
| cebruns | IMHO: probably better to keep fishbowls (as a sign that we want user feedback/input) and make them more technical if needed. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | cebruns: +2 | 16:31 |
| thingee | the popular word in today's meeting is beer apparently.. | 16:31 |
| winston-d_ | cebruns: +1 | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I was noticing that | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: We should make it into a drinking game. | 16:31 |
| cebruns | LOL - should've brought up mid-cycle last. :) | 16:31 |
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| thingee | ok, anything else for this topic? | 16:32 |
| hemna | thingee, what's your point? | 16:32 |
| hemna | :P | 16:32 |
| * thingee has no point | 16:32 | |
| kmartin | could the "Volume Migration: Current state and future direction" be moved to a fish bowl session | 16:32 |
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| winston-d_ | kmartin: could be conference session | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | kmartin: Are the problems interface or implementation? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: I don't see why not. | 16:33 |
| thingee | how about live migration? | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I think that is an area that has caused a lot of user confusion. | 16:33 |
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| kmartin | it in the working session now and I know it a big issue with users | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: kmartin: If it's a user issue then moving it sounds sensible | 16:34 |
| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: would you or vincent lead that one (migration)? | 16:34 |
| kmartin | and live migration | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | Also, can I request people try to get their outlines up well before the conference? Analysing a design cold has turned out to be a disaster, year on year | 16:34 |
| hemna | live migration always seems to be in a perpetual state of failure. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d_: Vincent I believe since he has been actively working those issues. | 16:34 |
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| thingee | would like to see jgriffith and ameade on the live migration topic | 16:34 |
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| kmartin | thingee, +1 push live migration was recently added to the gate | 16:35 |
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| thingee | ameade: you present? | 16:35 |
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| kmartin | not sure if the live migration tests were written in a way to have block storage attached | 16:36 |
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| xyang1 | kmartin tests added on the nova side? | 16:36 |
| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: ok | 16:36 |
| thingee | ok, well I'll talk to ameade later about it. | 16:36 |
| kmartin | xyang1, yes | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | winston-d_: Will verify with him. | 16:36 |
| tbarron | thingee: ameade has a conflicting mtg today but I'll follow up with him | 16:36 |
| tbarron | thingee: I'll follow up with ameade | 16:37 |
| thingee | tbarron: thanks. just would like to see this maybe be a fishbowl instead | 16:37 |
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| thingee | and maybe jgriffith can help out since he has a popular blog post about it ;) | 16:37 |
| tbarron | thingee: understood | 16:37 |
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| thingee | #topic Open Discussion | 16:37 |
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| xyang1 | kmartin: That will involve 2 compute nodes | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: the problem is you have to have multinode to test live-migratoin | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: and we don't have multi-node gate testing currently | 16:38 |
| flip214 | as people with block storage transport protocols know... | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: did live-migration break again? I patched Kilo and Juno | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: Makes sense. I was wondering about it | 16:39 |
| kmartin | I believe jogo added this ability recently, I'll look for the patch | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: but that was a couple months ago | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: he's working on it yes, but it's not gating as of yet | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: but I'm still confused, is there a new bug/problem again? | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: NM, I guess I'll just set it up and test it on my side again | 16:40 |
| thingee | ok seems like we have no open discussions | 16:40 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith, on some backend yes, others work fine | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: Which did you test with? LVM? | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: xyang1 I tested with LVM and of course SF | 16:41 |
| hemna | thingee, so if no one else has an open topic, I have one. | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | Ok | 16:41 |
| thingee | hemna: sure | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: xyang1 so iSCSI in general works | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm1 | jgriffith, thingee : there was a review posted by jgriffith on seperating unit tests under tests/unit so going ahead whats the plan ? we seperate out unit and functional tests or anything else ? | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | vilobhmm1: yeah, the idea is to split those | 16:41 |
| thingee | vilobhmm1: yeah did that merge yet? | 16:41 |
| hemna | jgriffith, there are a few assumptions that nova makes during live migration that causes failures | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm1: and add functional tests | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm1: I have a slew of functional tests to start with once things land | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | hemna: there are a lot of assumptions :) | 16:42 |
| hemna | nova assumes the target information is always the same for the 2 initiator hosts | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: and there are several that I fixed, and others on the Nova team fixed | 16:42 |
| vilobhmm1 | i think it needs few https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175583/ +2 before it again runs into merge conflict :P | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ummm | 16:43 |
| hemna | it assumes the target portal, ip and lun id are going to be the same between the first host and the 2nd host, when for some arrays, those values will be different | 16:43 |
| vilobhmm1 | jgriffith : thanks for letting me know | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's the same volume and we don't do multi-attach so why would it be different? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: the iqn is stored in the Volume DB object | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: that shouldn't change that I'm aware of | 16:44 |
| hemna | not all arrays export volumes the same way. it might not even be the same LUN id on the array for host 1 vs. host 2 | 16:44 |
| hemna | and in fact it does for 3PAR | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well... they kinda have to :) | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I mean, unless you go back and recall attach | 16:44 |
| thingee | hemna: can't nova just login instead of doing an additional export? | 16:44 |
| xyang1 | hemna: For us, everything is different on a different host | 16:44 |
| thingee | hemna: or ensure export | 16:44 |
| hemna | so when nova attaches the volume to the 2nd host, it then tries to detach from the original host, and it can't find the volume to detach | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'm pretty familiar with how it works and what it does :) | 16:45 |
| hemna | because it's using the information for the destination host (as the BDM has been updated after the destination attach) | 16:45 |
| xyang1 | hemna: But live migration worked last time we tested it. Broken again? | 16:45 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'm just trying to understand what's broke :) | 16:45 |
| hemna | the bdm information is wrong on detach | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: as of when? | 16:45 |
| hemna | anyway, we can take this offline | 16:45 |
| thingee | hemna: was this your open topic? :P | 16:46 |
| hemna | thingee, no | 16:46 |
| hemna | heh | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | hemna: I thought that was fixed? | 16:46 |
| hemna | xyang1, nope | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: +1 | 16:46 |
| hemna | xyang1, we see it today | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's weird, because it's been tested by multiple people | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | hemna: Your team tested it in Juno? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: hmm... bummer, ok. I'll test it again | 16:46 |
| xyang1 | hemna: Maybe broken again? | 16:47 |
| hemna | if the target portal, and lun id is the same from the 2 attaches, it will be fine | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: hemna so FWIW the backport to Juno did finally land. Took a long time, but it landed | 16:47 |
| hemna | if it changes on the 2nd attach, it breaks. | 16:47 |
| hemna | I'll confirm here again today just to make sure. | 16:47 |
| thingee | hemna: your topic? :) | 16:47 |
| xyang1 | hemna: Are you testing in trunk or another release? | 16:47 |
| hemna | we tested in kilo | 16:48 |
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| hemna | haven't tested on truck in a few weeks | 16:48 |
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| hemna | thingee, so, how are we going to do CI with os-brick | 16:48 |
| hemna | :P | 16:48 |
| hemna | we need to make sure that when os-brick patches get pushed up to gerrit, that cinder CI tests get fired off | 16:48 |
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| hemna | because it affects copy volume <--> image operations against each driver. | 16:49 |
| hemna | I want to make sure that os-brick changes don't break cinder | 16:49 |
| thingee | that's a good question | 16:49 |
| kmartin | xyang1, jgriffith: a few defects regarding the identical IQNs and luns issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1423772 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1288039 | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "During live-migration Nova expects identical IQN from attached volume(s)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:50 |
| asselin | i think we can do it by manually pulling in the cinder patch that remove's brick and uses os-brick | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1288039 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live-migration cinder boot volume target_lun id incorrect" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Bartosz Fic (bartosz-fic) | 16:50 |
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| hemna | asselin, do we need to always have Depends-On: ASDASD131231231 in commit messages for os-brick? | 16:50 |
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| hemna | not sure if that does anything though for CI | 16:50 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: thanks. We'll test again | 16:51 |
| asselin | hemna, I don't think that's sufficient b/c the cinder code won't use it | 16:51 |
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| hemna | ok | 16:51 |
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| asselin | hemna, oh, you mean the os-brick patch has depends-on cinder patch that removes brick? | 16:51 |
| hemna | I'd like to get it ironed out before my cinder patch to remove cinder/brick lands | 16:51 |
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| hemna | asselin, no | 16:51 |
| asselin | hemna, that may work | 16:51 |
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| hemna | asselin, I just want a way to kick off 3rd party CI tests on os-brick patch submissions | 16:52 |
| kmartin | jgriffith,seems that are making progress on multi-node gate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173614/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141530/ two that landed might be more | 16:52 |
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| hemna | but make cinder use the os-brick patch as part of the tests. | 16:52 |
| hemna | to make sure that 1) Cinder doesn't break and 2) drivers don't break. | 16:52 |
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| asselin | yes...I think my 1st proposal would work: run ci on each os-brick patch. then in cinder, for that job, cherry pick the cinder patch removing os-brick. | 16:53 |
| asselin | assumes no cherry pick conflicts | 16:53 |
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| hemna | asselin, is this something that we can do w/o making every 3rd party CI vendor do? | 16:54 |
| hemna | and by we, I mean...cinder or infra ? | 16:54 |
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| asselin | hemna, yes...maybe good to see if we can get an infra job on it | 16:54 |
| thingee | 5 minute warning | 16:55 |
| asselin | and any 3rd party ci who's interested | 16:55 |
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| hemna | well every 3rd party driver IS interested whether they know it or not :) | 16:55 |
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| tbarron | hemna: +1 | 16:56 |
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| hemna | ok I'm not sure I'm understanding how it can be done just yet | 16:56 |
| thingee | hemna: lets talk about it later today | 16:56 |
| hemna | but I'm just concerned. os-brick's tests are simple right now. they are just unit tests and pep8 | 16:56 |
| ameade | just sounds like another project to run against for me and should be added as a CI req at some point | 16:56 |
| hemna | thingee, ok please. | 16:56 |
| asselin | yes, let's take it offline | 16:56 |
| thingee | anything else from anyone? | 16:57 |
| thingee | oh in case people didn't notice, os-brick 0.1.0 was tagged. issues with the job to make the pypi release happen. I'll be checking with infra later when things aren't hectic | 16:57 |
| thingee | I'll also be approving more cinderclient changes today to get ready for the next tag release | 16:58 |
| thingee | which includes version discovery! | 16:58 |
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| thingee | and backwards compat. messy stuff | 16:58 |
| hemna | :)! | 16:58 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 16:58 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| geguileo | Bye | 16:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 22 16:58:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-22-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-22-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-22-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| rhe00 | thanks | 16:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 22 18:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trainers)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:00 |
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| sarob | we will restarting this team after the summit | 18:01 |
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| sarob | right now continue to enter status info for archive | 18:01 |
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| sarob | testing standards have officially kicked off with the Linux Foundation | 18:02 |
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| sarob | named as the testing third party partner for the foundation | 18:02 |
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| sarob | training-guides team is focused on making the switch to RST format and slides | 18:02 |
| sarob | and supporting the upstream training team for the summit | 18:03 |
| sarob | that is all for now | 18:03 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 22 18:03:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-22-18.00.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-22-18.00.txt | 18:03 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 22 19:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| jrichli | yo | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| kota_ | hi | 19:01 |
| dmorita | hi | 19:01 |
| imkarrer_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| aerwin | hello | 19:01 |
| hurricanerix | hi | 19:01 |
| acoles | o/ | 19:01 |
| glange | \o/// | 19:01 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | here for a bit, then running off | 19:01 |
| ho | o/ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | wow. quite a crowd this week. welcome! | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | just as an FYI, at the summit I want to talk about a different meeting time. perhaps today, but 2 hours later. or perhaps tomorrow at 2000UTC (one hour later). | 19:02 |
| notmyname | something to think about | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | the full openstack meeting schedule is at | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | so you can see if a meeting room is free at a time you want | 19:03 |
| notmyname | also, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20150725&p1=224&p2=136&p3=152&p4=248&p5=70&p6=37 | 19:03 |
| clayg | i'm not here | 19:03 |
| kota_ | notmyname: so good and I just put the idea to ethepad | 19:03 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | ok, a few things on the agenda this week | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:04 |
| notmyname | first up, kilo release | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | #topic kilo release (swift 2.3.0) | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo release (swift 2.3.0) (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | patches just now landed for the ones we had backported for RC2 | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | current HEAD of stable/kilo is at commit SHA f8dee761bd36f857aa1288c27e095907032fad68 | 19:04 |
| mattoliverau | yay | 19:04 |
| notmyname | if this should NOT be our final release, please speak up (like right now) | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | we do not expect a third RC | 19:05 |
| notmyname | if there is no objection, then I'll give that SHA to ttx as the final one for RC2 | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | he'll tag it and we'll keep testing to see if anything comes up | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | only major issues (eg data loss/corruption) would cause an RC3 to happen | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | any questions? any objections to doing the RC2 at the current commit? | 19:06 |
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| clayg | notmyname: what if a failure of both the primary and backup system caused a bug in the secondary backup to delay correction of a previous hardware failure resulting in data loss? | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | clayg: we'd need to ask Scotty | 19:07 |
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| clayg | i'm giving it all she's got! | 19:07 |
| mattoliverau | lol, sorry been alseep so looking at current state of patches :) | 19:08 |
| acoles | lol | 19:08 |
| notmyname | no objections...going once... | 19:08 |
| notmyname | twice..... | 19:08 |
| notmyname | twice and a half... | 19:09 |
| clayg | rofl | 19:09 |
| glange | this is like my marriage | 19:09 |
| acoles | wait... | 19:09 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 19:09 |
| clayg | acoles: stop it | 19:09 |
| acoles | no its ok | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:09 |
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| mattoliverau | ok | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | done | 19:09 |
| clayg | ok, i'm board with kilo now | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #info commit f8dee761bd36f857aa1288c27e095907032fad68 is RC2 | 19:09 |
| ttx | swift: last to RC1, but first to RC2! | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ttx: yay@ | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | ttx: that's the commit to use. thanks | 19:10 |
| ttx | notmyname: ack | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, so looking forward with kilo, just some info on some testing that will be happening | 19:10 |
| notmyname | I hope that everyone will be able to of course test previous functionality, but also look at EC | 19:11 |
| notmyname | we've got a lot to learn there about EC in prod | 19:11 |
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| wbhuber_ | notmyname: second | 19:11 |
| notmyname | over the next few weeks at swiftstack, we'll be using the community QA cluster for testing some EC stuff | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | filling it up, dropping disks, checking reconstructor times, CPU/mem usage, etc | 19:12 |
| notmyname | all that kind of stuff | 19:12 |
| notmyname | is anyone else also going to be putting it in a lab to test? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | kota_: you have already been looking at deploying EC right? | 19:13 |
| cschwede | notmyname: thiago and me want to do some testing before the summit | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: glange: any chance RAX can spend some lab time on it? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | cschwede: nice | 19:13 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yes, but my lab environment | 19:14 |
| notmyname | kota_: where it should be :-) | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | it would be awesome to have some preliminary results to talk about in vancouver. | 19:14 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: i don't think we have any plans for EC at this time. | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: mseger has been talking about some perf testing | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | I wonder if there's a way we can aggregate the lab work different companies are working on | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | probably the first step is to actually start testing. and then try to be as open as possible with any results found | 19:15 |
| mattoliverau | I'll throw something up in the cloud. /me is probably the biggest user of rackspace Australian cloud :P | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to summit planning | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit prep | 19:16 |
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| * notmyname got plane tickets yesterday | 19:16 | |
| notmyname | (finally) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-summit-topics | 19:17 |
| notmyname | that's where we're collecting our ideas for summit topics | 19:17 |
| notmyname | as a reminder, the fishbowl sessions are large rooms (200-ish seats?) designed like previous summit sessions | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | the working sessions are smaller (30-ish seats) and will all have the same title on the schedule | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | they are designed to be more about smaller groups of people discussion specific copde and specific ideas' design | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | and then on friday we have a full day of "open" like we did in paris | 19:19 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: as a reminder, how many slots for each session type? | 19:19 |
| notmyname | good question | 19:19 |
| notmyname | 6 fishbowl and 10 working, IIRC | 19:19 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks | 19:19 |
| notmyname | so we'll be collecting ideas on that etherpad and scheduling from there | 19:20 |
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| jrichli | you might have said before, but is each session for an hour? | 19:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: confirmed | 19:20 |
| ttx | each session is 40 minutes | 19:20 |
| jrichli | ttx: thx | 19:20 |
| ttx | (10 minutes between sessions) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ttx: thanks | 19:20 |
| clayg | coffee, pee, argue, repeat | 19:20 |
| notmyname | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: Donagh may run a Docs working session, so I finally see you in your alter ego :P | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:21 |
| jrichli | lol | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | ttx: that's the right link, right? ^ | 19:21 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: i have a good make-up artist | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | the summary is: tuesday for ops, wed-friday for swift | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's go over what's in the etherpad | 19:23 |
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| ttx | notmyname: looks like it | 19:23 |
| scotticus | notmyname: can i get a link to it please? | 19:23 |
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| ttx | notmyname: ok, rc2 tag and tarball up | 19:23 |
| clayg | looks like we start fishbowls on wednesday night and continue on thursday morning | 19:23 |
| ttx | pushing announce | 19:23 |
| notmyname | scotticus: which one? | 19:23 |
| scotticus | etherpad | 19:23 |
| cschwede | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-summit-topics | 19:23 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-summit-topics | 19:23 |
| scotticus | thanks. | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | ok, looks like I didn't add any detail to any of the ones I rushed to add last week ;-) | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | but there's a few new ones at the bottom | 19:24 |
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| jrichli | Did you want me to talk to Dean about doing a fishbowl on tape and swift? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | cschwede: metadata search or object notification | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: yes, please. or facilitate an intro | 19:25 |
| jrichli | ok, I will talk with him. | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | for metadata search or object notification. what sort of sessions? | 19:26 |
| notmyname | fishbowl or wokring session | 19:26 |
| cschwede | notmyname: the metadata/search topic comes up from time to time, and i like to see some progress on it - thus preparing a spec to start some discussions | 19:26 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:26 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: i think working might be better? | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | heh. everythign is working sessions ;-) | 19:26 |
| clayg | probably just means we're anti-social and cliqueish | 19:27 |
| cschwede | clayg: or focused on getting s… done… | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I think it's a great topic, and yeah it would be cool to start work on it | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ok, next | 19:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: metadata search? hrmmm... | 19:28 |
| notmyname | clayg: well, notifying another system that will actually do the search ;-) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | clayg: actually I'd love for that fucntionality to be in glance | 19:29 |
| cschwede | notmyname: exactly like that | 19:29 |
| cschwede | (another system) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | also, that directly relates to the plea from zaqar on the mailing list this week for more adoption | 19:29 |
| jrichli | metadata search: sounds like it wont play well with encrypted metadata | 19:29 |
| notmyname | and I think this is one of the best places for it | 19:29 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you havne't implemented fully-homomorphic encryption yet? ;-) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | anyway, moving on | 19:30 |
| notmyname | docs | 19:30 |
| notmyname | this one is interesting | 19:30 |
| * clayg has a doubt | 19:30 | |
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| notmyname | well, I think it's interesting because it's an ops person who submitted it rather than a dev | 19:30 |
| notmyname | so, basically, make docs better | 19:31 |
| notmyname | or rather, make a plan to make docs better | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | what, acoles is a dev :P | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: gotta keep up the facade | 19:31 |
| * cschwede likes to see a good community-written reference doc on swift | 19:31 | |
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| scotticus | notmyname: where do i put my proposal? at the bottom? | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | seriously tho, yeah, good to hear from another viewpoint | 19:31 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: rumours rumours... | 19:31 |
| notmyname | scotticus: yeah | 19:32 |
| scotticus | k | 19:32 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 19:32 |
| notmyname | last modified on container listing | 19:32 |
| notmyname | sounds like a filesystem atime | 19:32 |
| notmyname | kota_: this one's yours | 19:32 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: yes, this is a first time I put this idea. | 19:33 |
| notmyname | can this be covered in the metadata indexer one? is that a viable alternative implementation? | 19:33 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: for now, so many change we don't need | 19:33 |
| notmyname | kota_: oh! this is for a container, not on a per-object basis? | 19:34 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: yes, on container. | 19:34 |
| notmyname | yeah, I've been asked about a "listing of the stuff that has changed since Timestamp(foo)" | 19:34 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: that, please! | 19:35 |
| notmyname | cschwede: typey typey | 19:35 |
| kota_ | notmyname: the use case is something like that :) | 19:35 |
| notmyname | interesting | 19:35 |
| notmyname | so should this be it's own session or should it be combined with another? | 19:35 |
| notmyname | thoughts? | 19:35 |
| kota_ | ethier is fine but currently no idea | 19:36 |
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| * cschwede starts thinking that we need an „OpenStack *Swift* Summit“ to cover all the interesting topics | 19:36 | |
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| acoles | cschwede:paris in june? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:37 |
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| cschwede | acoles: notmyname: sounds good :) | 19:37 |
| notmyname | I made a note about combining this one, but let's leave it separate and see what space is available | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 19:38 |
| notmyname | meeting time | 19:38 |
| notmyname | thanks to who put that down | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | I'll be happy to lead that one, but I think it's just a friday discusion. no need for a 40 minute session on it | 19:38 |
| notmyname | any objections? | 19:38 |
| acoles | +1 | 19:38 |
| mattoliverau | will that take 40 minutes, so friday discussion makes sense | 19:39 |
| kota_ | +1 | 19:39 |
| mattoliverau | or in a bar somewhere ;) | 19:39 |
| dmorita | +1 | 19:39 |
| kota_ | mattoliveau: nice! | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok, last on one the list right now | 19:39 |
| notmyname | scaling swift with go | 19:40 |
| scotticus | :) | 19:40 |
| notmyname | this is something I've been talking with scotticus for a little bit | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | and some of you know that RAX has reimplemented some of swift in go | 19:40 |
| notmyname | so they want to talk about it | 19:40 |
| notmyname | and I think that's great! | 19:40 |
| notmyname | scotticus: will you have some code to show before vancouver? | 19:40 |
| scotticus | yes. | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | good | 19:41 |
| notmyname | when could we expect it? this week? next? | 19:41 |
| scotticus | i think the team will push the object server and possibly a go based replicator and auditor soon. | 19:41 |
| scotticus | within the next couple weeks probably | 19:41 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:41 |
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| mattoliverau | +1, it'll be awesome to talk about and see :) | 19:41 |
| scotticus | obviously we want to vet it | 19:41 |
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| scotticus | a bit | 19:42 |
| notmyname | if we've got the code to talk about, I think it's a great thing to cover :-) | 19:42 |
| scotticus | yup | 19:42 |
| notmyname | for those of you who have been paying attention, swift now has a feature/hummingbird branch upstream | 19:42 |
| notmyname | that was created to give them a place to push that code in the community | 19:42 |
| clayg | i fetch and i fetch | 19:42 |
| glange | good boy :) | 19:43 |
| notmyname | so should this one be a fishbowl or a working session? | 19:43 |
| notmyname | I almost think maybe both | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | a watched branch never commits :P | 19:43 |
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| clayg | let's just take over the two-day-nova-fishbowl-fiesta | 19:43 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:43 |
| clayg | nope go-swift or go-home | 19:43 |
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| scotticus | notmyname: probably working session? | 19:44 |
| notmyname | thoughts on having this in a larger session? | 19:44 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm happy with either | 19:45 |
| notmyname | there's TONS of stuff to go over with the idea of golang stuff in swift. that's the kind of stuff I think would be great in a working sessions. API coverage details, testing, deployments | 19:46 |
| notmyname | but the higher-level, "this is what we saw in swift and XYZ is the right answer" might be good in a fishbowl session? | 19:46 |
| cschwede | the more the better! | 19:46 |
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| scotticus | that sounds pretty decent. | 19:47 |
| clayg | notmyname: can we defer until we see the code? | 19:47 |
| notmyname | heh ok :-) | 19:47 |
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| scotticus | i think we can tell everyone what we've found at scale and what we've done to help | 19:47 |
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| scotticus | and we can def have a session to discuss what the community wants to see out of a go based swift implementation. | 19:47 |
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| cschwede | so fishbowl+working? | 19:48 |
| scotticus | workbowl? | 19:48 |
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| scotticus | fishing? | 19:48 |
| kota_ | lol | 19:48 |
| notmyname | let's figure it out based on what we have to talk about. ie the code | 19:48 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:48 |
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| scotticus | k | 19:48 |
| notmyname | keep it on the list now with a question mark | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | decide later | 19:48 |
| mattoliverau | yay, leave it to future us :) | 19:49 |
| scotticus | k | 19:49 |
| notmyname | ok, that's the (current) bottom of the list on the etherpad | 19:49 |
| mattoliverau | I like them | 19:49 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up in this meeting for the summit scheduling? | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | ok, last topic then... | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift-bench release | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: you've got the floor | 19:50 |
| cschwede | Sometimes I just want to run swift-bench locally for a quick check if everything works | 19:50 |
| cschwede | Unfortunately swift-bench from pypi is broken, probably since a longer time :/ | 19:50 |
| cschwede | Lots of commits since the latest tagged version | 19:50 |
| cschwede | There is also a minor bug, fixed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175285/ | 19:50 |
| cschwede | It would be great if we could tag a new version after the fix has been committed, and release a new version on pypi | 19:50 |
| cschwede | Doing this would make installing it (hopefully) as easy as "pip install swift-bench" again | 19:50 |
| cschwede | What needs to be done to get a new version up on pypi? | 19:50 |
| cschwede | tada | 19:50 |
| notmyname | "lots"? like 8 | 19:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede: what needs to be done is to kick me in the pants to get it done. takes about 15 seconds | 19:51 |
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| clayg | notmyname: cschwede: well let's plan to do it like next week or something | 19:51 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ok, maybe not lots, but useful/helpful fixes | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | cool, let's land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175285/ and then release it | 19:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: cschwede: I think I have some local hacks to swift-bench I carry around that I should just see if I need to git review or what | 19:52 |
| cschwede | notmyname: clayg: thx, great! | 19:52 |
| notmyname | clayg: ok | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175285/ and release swift-bench | 19:52 |
| notmyname | cschwede: anything else there? | 19:52 |
| cschwede | notmyname: no, thx! | 19:53 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting this week? | 19:53 |
| clayg | ok, nm - I think the only think i had left got fixed in I2fca4795fc9b3d1637c72616a52a60482d6e853e | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | ok, if nothing else... | 19:54 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift and thanks for coming today! | 19:54 |
| notmyname | swift isnt' possible without you | 19:54 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 22 19:54:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-22-19.00.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-22-19.00.txt | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-22-19.00.log.html | 19:54 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 22 20:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | 0/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:00 |
| ryansb | o/ | 20:00 |
| msly | o/ | 20:01 |
| KarolynChambers | o/ | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:01 |
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| jdandrea | po/ | 20:01 |
| jdandrea | o/ | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
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| jorgedr | Hi | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | maybe gate status, I think it looks good now? | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | anything else? | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | nope, i'll move on | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic rc2 | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #link | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-rc2 | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | so we have only today to get those patches merged | 20:05 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | ttx said that we should cut rc2 later today | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | AFAIK | 20:05 |
| ttx | not today | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | phew | 20:05 |
| ttx | well, maybe YOUR today | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | ok, that might be the confusion, so tomorrow? | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | x hours time? | 20:06 |
| zaneb | Thursday | 20:06 |
| zaneb | ? | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: he is in a release meeting too | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | i'd assume in ~1/2 a day | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | anyways we look in good shape | 20:08 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: what about the other stuff in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 20:08 |
| zaneb | looks like a much longer list | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | so it must be in merged in master | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | has the tag been removed for those which have landed in stable/kilo? | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | that list is things that have already been merged | 20:09 |
| zaneb | I count 10 in Fix Committed state | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | no, i haven't removed | 20:09 |
| zaneb | only 9 in that list | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | I'll review after and see if I can spot the discrepancy | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | some we left out as they had string changes | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | and were minor | 20:09 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | ttx and i went through the list | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | getting really late to add more | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | so must be super important to add | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | that's sounds fine, as long as it has been reviewed | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | I assume it would take a high priority bug to justify an rc3? | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176344/2/heat/engine/clients/os/nova.py | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | *maybe* that one ^ | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | tho' just seen it, need to see what it does | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | I've just approved it, seems fine | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | do we have a new novaclient release? | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | (just woke up, no chance to look) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I wonder how many other clients we're using like that | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: we should check, and periodically look at how horizon does it | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | the way we did it seemed wrong, even back in 2012 | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | ok, should we move on? any more rc2 issues | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | #topic gate status | 20:16 |
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| asalkeld | anyone know how the gate was fixed? | 20:16 |
| * asalkeld just curious | 20:16 | |
| stevebaker | which problem? | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: reverted the patch in novaclient and re-released afaik | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | ok, so new novaclient | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | 2.24.1 | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | cool | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | I need to go soon, but feel free to keep adding ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions and I'll start to put together a proposed schedule for discussion | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | we might need one or two working room discussions | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | more | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | or just make it all convergence again ;) | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | one might be cross test heat and the clients | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | how helpful would be an in-person code review session be? | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | that too | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: of what code? | 20:21 |
| inc0 | we'll do hackathon day before;) | 20:21 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: like "how to review code" session, or "come bring your patches and we'll have a review fest"? | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: whatever is in the queue which would benefit from in-person review | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | ryansb: the latter | 20:21 |
| ryansb | that sounds neat | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | just an idea | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | i need to do the school run now - I should be back for the last 5 minutes if you're still going | 20:22 |
| * asalkeld doubts it | 20:23 | |
| asalkeld | running out of steam already | 20:23 |
| inc0 | meetings are short this close to summit | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | should i wrap up? | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | inc0: indeed :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 22 20:24:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-22-20.00.html | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-22-20.00.txt | 20:24 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-22-20.00.log.html | 20:24 |
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