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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 13:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 13:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:00 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi everyone | 13:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for docs meeting? | 13:01 |
| sc68cal | I'm here | 13:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi Sean! | 13:01 |
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| qwebirc81982 | Hi , this is Pratap | 13:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi Pratap | 13:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and get started then, as far as the action items from last week go, we had adahms to find a suitable date for a meetup in early june | 13:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i don't think adahms is on | 13:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else have any update on that? | 13:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Kilo tasks | 13:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | RST publishing is done, the rest is in progress and should be done late this week or early next week | 13:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any comments on that? | 13:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic docs specs in review | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 13:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/174647 | 13:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178427/ | 13:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 13:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | those are the links to the current list of specs and reviews | 13:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions? | 13:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok moving along... | 13:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specialty teams | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:11 | |
| ShillaSaebi | HA Guide - Please look at the new spec | 13:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | Training Guides - Preparing to publish for Kilo | 13:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | Install Guides - CentOS/RHEL is on schedule, Ubuntu has rabbitmq issues that are being worked on, SUSE is underway and should be done by early next week | 13:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | User Guides - Please look at the new spec | 13:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Security Guide - i don't really have an update | 13:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | API docs - Please look at the new spec | 13:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | Networking Guide - Test & review | 13:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | questions/comments? | 13:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Doc tools update | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:13 | |
| ShillaSaebi | just an fyi to add... | 13:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info use 2.1.4 clouddocs-maven-plugin for Kilo | 13:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Vancouver | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:14 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Please review the Liberty Design Summit schedule: http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Documentation | 13:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on the design summit? | 13:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic APAC meetups | 13:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APAC meetups (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:17 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up in June | 13:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ping asettle & adahms | 13:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 13:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok we will have to follow up with suyog settle and adahms to get more details on an update on that | 13:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Meeting time | 13:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:20 | |
| ShillaSaebi | so does this alternating weeks thing work for the US meetings and the time? | 13:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Im not sure who else is here but I know Sean and Pratap are | 13:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | does this time work for you guys? do you like the idea of bi-weekly meetings? | 13:21 |
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| qwebirc81982 | works for me . | 13:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok cool | 13:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks Pratap | 13:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 13:22 |
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| qwebirc81982 | i dont have any questions , since this is the first meeting i am joining . | 13:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone have topics or anything they want to discuss? | 13:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok well it doesn't look like it | 13:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | guess we can go ahead and call it | 13:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks guys | 13:25 |
| qwebirc81982 | okay , thank you all . | 13:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 13:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 13:25:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-06-13.00.html | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-06-13.00.txt | 13:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-06-13.00.log.html | 13:25 |
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| thingee | There will be no Cinder meeting today. No agenda. | 16:00 |
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| chenzongliang | ok | 16:00 |
| avishay__ | okey dokey | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Maybe just mention midcycle survey? | 16:00 |
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| chenzongliang | first i think is a route meeting | 16:01 |
| thingee | cinder midcycle meetup survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6QRKV6Z | 16:01 |
| thingee | this will also be posted to the list | 16:01 |
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| kmartin | thingee, love question #3 | 16:02 |
| thingee | kmartin: thank DuncanT ;) | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | And credit jungleboyj. :) | 16:03 |
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| kmartin | thingee, I noticed the other day that all the cinder drivers URL links in the Openstack Marketplace were broken | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm1 | hi all | 16:05 |
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| kmartin | I created a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1451501 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451501 in openstack-org "Config reference guide no longer has trunk in the URL, all Driver links are broken in the OpenStack marketplace" [Undecided,New] | 16:05 |
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| kmartin | that somewhat fixed the issue, but a number of drivers have not updated their stackforge/driverlog data for Kilo | 16:07 |
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| notmyname | reminder that there is no swift meeting today | 19:07 |
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| hurricanerix | notmyname: Thanks, I was just about to ask about that. =) | 19:08 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 20:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| ryansb | \o | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | \o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | welcome to the first liberty meeting :) | 20:01 |
| jruano | hi | 20:01 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: ping | 20:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:02 |
| zaneb | thanks | 20:02 |
| ryansb | \o | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: first it's cool | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | anything else to add? | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Discussing design summit sessions | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | so we have 5 fishbowl slots and 10 working slots | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | I've assigned fishbowls for things that are more outward facing, or ones which might attract a crowd. working rooms only fit around 28, so if you can think of more boring titles for those then that might help | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | could we quickly go through each one and make sure there is a session's worth of things to cover? and look for potential gaps? | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | I probably need to push *something* to the schedule today or tomorrow, but things can change a bug | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | a bit | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | 1. Heat client usability | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I agree with this one. it was really useful on previous summit | 20:08 |
| jdandrea | \o (late) | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | I was thinking spend the first half talking about the experience of managing complicated stacks with our current client tools, and maybe the second half talking about having an in-tree openstackclient plugin | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | ryansb: are you keen on running that part? I can do the first | 20:10 |
| ryansb | yeah, I'd really like to hear from ops what they'd like out of clients | 20:10 |
| ryansb | well, ops/users | 20:10 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: sure, not sure the in-tree osc plugin will take up half a session, but I'm sure we can find something useful to chat about | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | cool | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: can we also discuss here what we want to see in Horizon ? | 20:11 |
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| ryansb | I'd really like to just get in the OSC tree proper | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: yes, good idea | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | 18. Heat template format improvements | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | I thought we could take a look at the Paris session and see what was implemented. | 20:14 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah, also how about some conditions staff ? | 20:14 |
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| randallburt | more imperative syntax in our declarative templates? we're going there? | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | Then we probably need to discuss possible solutions to a general intrinsic function to transform anything->anything, maybe spend some time evaluating YAQL | 20:15 |
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| * zaneb groans | 20:16 | |
| stevebaker | lol | 20:16 |
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| stevebaker | we could keep adding piecemeal intrinsic functions, but some analysis of the gaps would be useful | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | 3. REST API design and roadmap | 20:18 |
| randallburt | that sound pretty awful. espectially considering external methods of pre-processing template files | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | we could discus the potential for v2, take a look at how nova does microversions | 20:19 |
| randallburt | I think the question should be "why *not* v2" at this point. | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: if we do it right we might avoid becoming PHP | 20:19 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: we could avoid that possibility all together by just avoiding putting control structures in our template language | 20:20 |
| zaneb | randallburt: possible reason: v2 will be better when we know what convergence is and isn't capable of | 20:20 |
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| randallburt | zaneb: fair enough. though I think shardy had a pretty compelling list of stuff already | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: because the experience of nova and keystone suggests transitioning to new API version is super painful | 20:21 |
| zaneb | it was an extensive list of mostly minor warts | 20:21 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker, zaneb good points all, I'm just saying that's something we should discuss in the session | 20:22 |
| randallburt | otherwise, why have the session | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | anyway, sounds like a perfect fisbowl topic, 40 minutes of bikeshed arguing :D | 20:22 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: fairly normal summit session then. | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | 5. Orchestrating containers with Heat | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | I'm a little worried this would just be a presentation of all the container things that are happening, its all around the periphery(sp?) of heat | 20:23 |
| randallburt | I know there are other parts to the (swconfig managing containers etc), but does magnum make this largely moot? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: sure, if you have magnum deployed | 20:24 |
| zaneb | I'd say not necessarily | 20:24 |
| zaneb | sw deployments in containers are still relevant imo | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | if there was a fishbowl session to be dropped this might be it. | 20:25 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: I mean managing containers isn't in our wheelhouse really. Here's an openstack service for containers that heat can support or you can use sw config. | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:25 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: agreed | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | lets see if there is a working session to swap it with | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | 13. Senlin Autoscaling Project - Deep Dive | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | I've put Qiming in the fishbowl for maximum exposure ;) | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | I'm hoping for a reasonably technical overview of Senlin, and some discussion on how it would fit with Heat | 20:27 |
| ryansb | +1 | 20:27 |
| randallburt | yep | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: is it separate autoscaling project or something else? | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_: yip | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: its a separate autoscaling service | 20:27 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | I wish I'd had more time to read about this | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | right, Working Sessions | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | got it. thx. | 20:28 |
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| zaneb | so I definitely want to hear about it instead :) | 20:28 |
| randallburt | if that's true, I won't be sad if we get out of the autoscaling business | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | 2. Finishing off Convergence phase 1 | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | 12. Convergence phase 2 planning | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | 2 convergence sessions, and maybe some more for our meetup morning on Friday | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | +1 | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | +1 | 20:29 |
| randallburt | +1 | 20:29 |
| jdandrea | +10 | 20:29 |
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| randallburt | thats too many! | 20:29 |
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| jdandrea | ;) | 20:29 |
| jdandrea | Ok, ok | 20:29 |
| jdandrea | +1 | 20:29 |
| randallburt | whew. | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | I'm not sure that topic name is boring enough | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | we'll see | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: :) | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | 4. Functional and integration testing, identify gaps and suggest improvements | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | that one is definitely boring enough ;) | 20:30 |
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| asalkeld | but needed | 20:30 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: it sounds pretty mind-numbing, but maybe that's just me ;) | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker | very needed | 20:30 |
| * jdandrea agreed | 20:30 | |
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| stevebaker | 7. Better support for lifecycle operations on heat stacks (upgrades etc) | 20:31 |
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| randallburt | wait, just change the names. lets talk about the good stuff during the testing slot! | 20:31 |
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| jdandrea | haha | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: evil! | 20:31 |
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| randallburt | alternatively, add "functional testing imact of …" in front of everything | 20:32 |
| jdandrea | ;) | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | How would people feel about 7. being fairly tripleo focused? Overcloud is a complex stack which has definite lifecycle needs | 20:32 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: so back on topic, this one is for lifecycle callbacks, vendor callbacks, debugging or all of the above? | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | it would be a good example on heat in the real world | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | i don't mind | 20:33 |
| tspatzier | could that be a candidate for the fishbowl if the containers slot is kicked out? | 20:33 |
| randallburt | agreed, but might need to be specific about that to keep from drifting into the other stuff I mentioned | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: more like running workflows in a running stack (via stack updates, or some other methods) | 20:33 |
| randallburt | tspatzier: could be hard to keep on this specific meaning of "callbacks" and heat, but don't see why not | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | OK, if folk don't mind I'll add a tripleo tag to the session, so we get some of them turning up | 20:34 |
| randallburt | cool. again, I think it will be harder to keep this one on track the larger the audience tbh | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | 17. Push to port to python 3 | 20:35 |
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| tspatzier | randallburt: agreed. but depends on who much focused this is. the title sounds broad | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: I'll make the title a bit more specific | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: i'd rather focus on the migrate/almbic | 20:35 |
| randallburt | tspatzier, stevebaker +1 to specifics int he title | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | sounds like the time could be now to port to python 3 | 20:35 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, randallburt - or make it something like "coding style guidelines" to keep the group small | 20:36 |
| * asalkeld not convinced there is much to talk about | 20:36 | |
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| randallburt | asalkeld: agreed. porting to python 3 doesn't sound controvercial or particularly tricky enough for a design discussion. Almbic and migrations do | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: "pep8 and you" | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | exactly | 20:36 |
| jdandrea | lol | 20:36 |
| tspatzier | lol | 20:36 |
| randallburt | or might rather. not terribly familiar tbh | 20:36 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: s/python3/alembic ? | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: how about a session on technologies to transition to. alembic, pecan, wsgi-on-apache | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | well : everyone wants python3, we pretty much have to use pecan | 20:38 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: would we realistically tackle api technologies without a plan to start on v2? | 20:38 |
| randallburt | oh, well there is that then. | 20:38 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: "Technology migration planning and you: the session" | 20:38 |
| randallburt | lol +1 ryansb | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | but using migrate and alemibc together is a bit tricky | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | not nova still are not using it | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | note | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | "technical debt hygene" | 20:39 |
| jdandrea | heh | 20:39 |
| randallburt | yeah, well nova is slow to migrate aren't they? | 20:39 |
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| randallburt | in general I mean | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | randallburt: there has been a lot of effort to try | 20:39 |
| randallburt | gotcha | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | ok, i'll make the session less python 3, more alembic, with potential for other topics | 20:39 |
| randallburt | sounds good. | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | 15. Future of Versioned objects in heat | 20:40 |
| randallburt | make it sound painful to attend though | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | back in 30 seconds | 20:40 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: there's an oslo session on versionedobjects | 20:40 |
| ryansb | maybe schedule close to that one? | 20:40 |
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| randallburt | ryansb: or make sure we don't overlap for sure | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | back | 20:41 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: how long is a working session? | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to split this into 2 distinct topics, versioned objects for live db upgrades, and versioned objects for RPC (because it is not clear to me yet that the latter is needed) | 20:43 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: 40 minutes I think | 20:43 |
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| stevebaker | 19. Autoscaling improvements | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | yes it needed;) /me gets ready for an arguement | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:44 |
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| stevebaker | neither 16. nor 8. made much sense to me, but I'm sure we could fill a session with scaling/cluster talk. It would need a driver to set the agenda though. any takers? | 20:45 |
| randallburt | is the format of this discussion dependent on the outcome of the Senlin discussion? | 20:45 |
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| randallburt | the autoscaling one I mean | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: potentially | 20:45 |
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| asalkeld | note, if pushed 6 and 10 *could* be merged | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | they are both about contrib resources | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: +1, but you're jumping ahead | 20:46 |
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| randallburt | well relevant to, not just about | 20:46 |
| randallburt | I think the contrib discussion could dominate depending on attendance | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: so 8 is so you can have a unique config for a particual instance of a scaling group | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | that has been asked for many times | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | now someone is actually stepped up to do the work | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: then it talks about cluster membership, which can already be done with OS::Heat::SoftwareDeployments | 20:47 |
| randallburt | asalkeld: I still don't get why that's not a separate resource outside the group. | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | any volunteer to be the driver for this? | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | ok well we need to talk to the author | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha I guess | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | 9. Our deprecation process: | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: could you put together a list of things which we have currently deprecated so we can decide their fate? | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sure | 20:49 |
| randallburt | so sinister | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | will add tomorrow | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | 6. Heat contrib resources - deciding their fate | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | 10. Conditional registering of resources | 20:50 |
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| randallburt | I think we should decide on 10 before we talk about 6. | 20:52 |
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| asalkeld | randallburt: they are seperate | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | (one is more about auth) | 20:52 |
| stevebaker | after the recent pbr release, I'd actually like contrib to go away. So I'd like to discuss each resource to figure out where it ends up. Conditional registering of resources sounds fine but it seems like more of a documentation issue | 20:53 |
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| miguelgrinberg | +1 (hi, sorry i'm late) | 20:53 |
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| miguelgrinberg | having these sub-packages is a headache | 20:54 |
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| randallburt | I don't see the big deal tbh. its worked for this long and pbr has caused other problems unrelated to contrib | 20:54 |
| randallburt | miguelgrinberg: in what way? | 20:54 |
| miguelgrinberg | cannot use pip to install sub-packages that don't have a version | 20:54 |
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| randallburt | miguelgrinberg: was that fixed or just hacked around? | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | randallburt: they can't be pip-installed | 20:55 |
| randallburt | and that's a "Big Deal"? | 20:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | we had to hack around it in our ansible deployment | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: or sdist packaged | 20:55 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: ah, that's a bigger deal then | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld, miguelgrinberg: do you mind if I am the driver for that session? | 20:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | stevebaker: not at all | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | yes | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | :-) | 20:56 |
| randallburt | in our deployment our ci/cd and chef handles all of that and its painless tbh | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | randallburt: maybe we should consider rax resources going to a stackforge project which co-gates on unit tests | 20:57 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: if the problem was only the rax resources, I'd agree. I'd rather have a more comprehensive policy though | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | randallburt: +1 | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | OK, I'll merge 10 and 6, that brings us down to 10 working sessions | 20:57 |
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| asalkeld | not in favor of random clean up that results in a hassle for users | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: yes, that is why I'd like to go through each resource. I think the only sticking points will be rax and dockerinc | 20:58 |
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| randallburt | k, lgtm | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | 2 minutes | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | 11. User messaging with Zaqar? | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | user messaging | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | I added "with Zaqar" | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | +1 if we also discuss alternatives | 20:59 |
| randallburt | I do like this one, but wonder if its dead horses at this point. | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | and the question mark ;) | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | remove the zaqar i think | 20:59 |
| ryansb | +1 | 20:59 |
| randallburt | are those alternatives in the openstack umbrella? | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | it's is going to get a cross project session | 20:59 |
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| asalkeld | randallburt: not everything needs to be | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: should we ditch it then and leave 10 and 6 unmerged? | 21:00 |
| ryansb | randallburt: tbh if something is a good tool, no reason to knock it with the NIH stick | 21:00 |
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| randallburt | ryansb: not true. that's pretty much the openstack motto. | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | randallburt: I just want to depends on Zaqar. if it will e optional - I am ok | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | times up, should we move to #heat? | 21:01 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: you could | 21:01 |
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| ryansb | lets | 21:01 |
| randallburt | exactly. it should be pluggable but have a default implementation that's openstack-only | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 21:01:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-05-06-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-05-06-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-05-06-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
| skraynev_ | randallburt: agree | 21:01 |
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| zaneb | randallburt: ++ | 21:01 |
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