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| ujuc | hi~ | 08:00 |
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| Daisy | Let's start the meeting | 08:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 08:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
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| Daisy | Who is there for i18n meeting ? | 08:01 |
| * DeeJay1 is here | 08:01 | |
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| Daisy | Hi, DeeJay1 ! Hi, ujuc ! | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Anyone else ? | 08:01 |
| ujuc | hi | 08:01 |
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| epico | hi | 08:01 |
| ujuc | o? | 08:02 |
| ujuc | o/ | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Then let's start. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | I will use this time to prepare for the Vancouver summit. | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | I distributed 10 registration codes for i18n members. | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | So at least, we will have 10 translators in the summit. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1 has a presentation to talk about his experiences in translation. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | Here is the link: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/2ba8da0ae001512ee8ad87f56cb92e80#.VUsb_JM5ClI | 08:04 |
| Daisy | I will be there to support you, DeeJay1 | 08:05 |
| DeeJay1 | I'll be in Vancouver from Friday the 15th (make it 16th as I'll probably be dead after the flight ;) to Friday the 22th | 08:05 |
| Daisy | I will arrive on 16th. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | I hope we could get 2 time slots for i18n team for meetings. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | I have sent the requests. Not sure if they will be arranged. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | One meeting is for translation platform discussion. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Carlos from Zanata team, Lyz from infrastructure team, and our translators would sit down and talk about the migration plans. | 08:07 |
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| Daisy | We will review what have done, what need to be done, and remained issues. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | The other meeting will be opened for the translators to discuss. | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | The time is probably 2:50pm - 3:30pm, Monday, May 18 | 08:08 |
| Daisy | So I created this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Vancouver-I18n-WG-session | 08:09 |
| Daisy | I would like to collect from you, what you would like to discuss there ? | 08:09 |
| Daisy | What proposals do you have to improve our translation work ? | 08:10 |
| DeeJay1 | hmm 2:50 to 3:30 is my slot for the presentation :/ | 08:10 |
| Daisy | oh...That's bad. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | I didn't notice it. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Let me try to reschedule then. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Are Monday morning OK for you, DeeJay1 ? | 08:12 |
| DeeJay1 | I'll stick with my idea about better feedback for the developers when they break string freeze | 08:12 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: yes, it should be ok, it would get my mind off the presentation | 08:12 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: You mean, in your presentation, or in the translators working meeting ? | 08:13 |
| DeeJay1 | DeeJay1: meeting | 08:14 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | Yes, I think it's good topic to cover. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | ujuc: do you have any issues and want to address in the summit meeting ? | 08:15 |
| Daisy | epico: the same question to you: do you want to address any issues in the summit ? | 08:15 |
| ujuc | um.. i can not attend summit..... | 08:16 |
| epico | not from me. | 08:16 |
| epico | me, either. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | ujuc: I know you cannot go. It's a pitty. | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | ujuc: do you have any painful in your translation ? | 08:17 |
| Daisy | thank you, epico | 08:18 |
| ujuc | um no :) | 08:18 |
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| Daisy | ujuc: thank you, ujuc. :) | 08:18 |
| Daisy | ok. Let's go to open discussion. | 08:18 |
| Daisy | #open discussion | 08:18 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 08:18 |
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| katomo | How about website translation? | 08:19 |
| katomo | eg: http://www.openstack.org/ | 08:19 |
| katomo | any toolchain? | 08:19 |
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| Daisy | no toolchain, katomo | 08:20 |
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| Daisy | The wiki page translation is enabled, but the website is not able to be translated directly | 08:20 |
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| katomo | umm | 08:21 |
| Daisy | Do you have requirements to do that ? Are you volunteer to develop tool chain for web translation ? | 08:21 |
| katomo | I want to translate website. | 08:21 |
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| Daisy | the whole website ? | 08:22 |
| Daisy | or some pages ? | 08:22 |
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| katomo | However, I don't understand how website are maintained at now. | 08:22 |
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| katomo | whole website | 08:22 |
| Daisy | I don't quite understand too. | 08:22 |
| katomo | as possible... | 08:23 |
| Daisy | at least, it's a web site running on a web server. | 08:23 |
| Daisy | There should be some static pages, and some dynamic pages. I think, most are static pages. | 08:23 |
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| katomo | yeah, any CMS? | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | I don't know. | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | katomo: are you volunteer to work on the tool chain ? | 08:25 |
| Daisy | to translate website. | 08:25 |
| katomo | Daisy: yes | 08:25 |
| Daisy | Great ! | 08:25 |
| Daisy | Let's see. | 08:25 |
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| Daisy | I hope the web page translation is in the same platform with documentations. Then we could share the same translation memory and glossary. | 08:26 |
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| katomo | I think so, too. | 08:26 |
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| Daisy | katomo: can you write an email to the mailing list, and express your requirements ? | 08:26 |
| katomo | o.k. | 08:27 |
| Daisy | First, we need to understand how the website is maintained. | 08:27 |
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| Daisy | Then let's make the design together. | 08:27 |
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| katomo | thanks | 08:28 |
| Daisy | I'm sure the foundation would be excited to see this proposal. | 08:28 |
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| Daisy | 1 or 2 years ago, the website developers approached me that they want to us to translate website. Then I didn't hear from them for a long time. | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 08:30 |
| Daisy | anything else to discuss ? | 08:31 |
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| ujuc | no | 08:31 |
| Daisy | If no, I will close the meeting. | 08:31 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 08:32 |
| Daisy | If you have future questions, go to #openstack-translation. | 08:32 |
| ujuc | ok :) | 08:33 |
| Daisy | See you next time. | 08:33 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 08:33:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-05-07-08.00.html | 08:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-05-07-08.00.txt | 08:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-05-07-08.00.log.html | 08:33 |
| katomo | Bye, see you soon. | 08:33 |
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| ujuc | bye | 08:35 |
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| epico | bye | 08:36 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 15:03:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:03 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:03 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | sorry folks. | 15:03 |
| prad | o/ | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:03 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | was doing some house cleaning | 15:04 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:04 |
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| cdent | gordc has hoffa's body | 15:04 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:04 |
| gordc | cdent: i'll google that reference later.lol | 15:04 |
| gordc | #topic summit session proposals - VOTING DONE | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit session proposals - VOTING DONE (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
| gordc | so i've shut down the voting for design session proposals | 15:05 |
| gordc | http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Ceilometer#.VUttSdvsl4s | 15:05 |
| ityaptin_laptop | o/ | 15:05 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:05 |
| gordc | above is the proposed schedule | 15:05 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:06 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: why many with the same title? | 15:06 |
| gordc | the 'fishbowl' large rooms will cover componentisation and event alarm topics as they had the most interest | 15:06 |
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| gordc | i can't edit the 'work session' titles | 15:06 |
| gordc | ttx: ^ i assume that is normal | 15:06 |
| gordc | for the work session slots you'll need to dig in | 15:07 |
| gordc | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlEe75uZc5faytpvIMPrQdViOOsRLnfeThk_Rp_lIvI/edit#gid=0 | 15:07 |
| gordc | you can also find the plan in the spreadsheet where it says 'GORD TYPING' | 15:07 |
| prad | could you include the etherpad links in the description as well for work sessions | 15:07 |
| gordc | prad: yep. will build etherpads today | 15:08 |
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| gordc | if anyone notices conflicts please shout ASAP. | 15:08 |
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| gordc | the schedule should be finalised by next week. | 15:08 |
| fabiog | gordc: for the fishbowl, do you think it would be better to have slides due to the large audience? | 15:09 |
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| cdent | we don't want a presentation, we want a conversation | 15:09 |
| gordc | fabiog: you should probably minimise the slides... the layout as i understand it is a circle | 15:09 |
| gordc | the screen will most be used for capturing notes on etherpad | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | gordc: I think the idea of a generic title for working sessions was to gently discourage "lurking" | 15:10 |
| ildikov | I think some figures on whiteboard or in a presentation can be helpful, but otherwise I agree with gordc and cdent | 15:10 |
| eglynn | ... at least that was a notion expressed at a prior cross-project meeting | 15:10 |
| gordc | fabiog: i guess you could consider visuals if they are too complex to draw. | 15:10 |
| gordc | eglynn: ah cool cool | 15:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, I think this was an outcome from Paris, that we should minimize the number of people who are just lurking in the room | 15:11 |
| fabiog | gordc: yes. I think at least the current state design and the desired one should be in a driagram | 15:11 |
| ildikov | fabiog: +1, it sounds good as a starting point | 15:11 |
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| gordc | fabiog: ok. if you believe it's something beyond the realm of a drawing then i guess a slide might work... but i don't think we should encourage it. | 15:13 |
| cdent | fabiog: I think the point is to figure out the desired one not present it. | 15:13 |
| gordc | tbh i hope the plan is simple enough that it doesn't need a powerpoint slide to explain | 15:13 |
| cdent | I think we should go into that discussion without a preconceived design | 15:13 |
| gordc | cdent: + | 15:13 |
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| gordc | i should also point out the time... it'll be early... so i guess hold back on the drinks tuesday night. | 15:14 |
| fabiog | cdent: I think having a starting point is beneficial, we onlu have 50 min | 15:14 |
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| gordc | fabiog: i should also point out we have a open slot wed at 3:30pm | 15:15 |
| cdent | as long as it is presented as a straw man, okay, but really I think we need to talk about something more fundamental than "we want ceilo to look like this" | 15:15 |
| gordc | we will use that as a carry over time for small room discussions | 15:15 |
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| fabiog | gordc: yes, good idea | 15:15 |
| ildikov | cdent: I think we should start with the more fundamental things before any ppt or whiteboard diagram | 15:16 |
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| fabiog | ildikov: like what? | 15:16 |
| gordc | for those sharing time, ie. cdent/fabio. r-mibu/llu i'll let you guys discuss how you want to organise it. | 15:17 |
| gordc | feel free to bring me in if you want input. | 15:17 |
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| gordc | but for the fishbowl items we should probably discuss the broader items... and we can drill down further in work sessions if needed. | 15:18 |
| _nadya_ | should we visualize meters/ events and should we do data analysis. These questions should be raised again, imho | 15:18 |
| * idegtiarov agree with _nadya_ | 15:19 | |
| gordc | _nadya_: is that a separate topic you want to propose? | 15:19 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: based on the one line description above, it's probably something that should exist separately (like gnocchi) for now. | 15:20 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: no, I think it may be discussed on cdent's session, about the future | 15:20 |
| gordc | _nadya_: but i'ts something we can discuss in one of open discussoin slots or the final meetup slot | 15:20 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I meant that what we would like to do with Ceilo in general, what is the mission of this module, etc. | 15:20 |
| gordc | _nadya_: ah i see. kk | 15:21 |
| fabiog | ildikov: yes, but we need to propose a guideline, otherwise we won't achieve anything in 50 min. | 15:22 |
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| gordc | fabiog: i think you and cdent can come up with some discussion points before hand to guide discussion | 15:22 |
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| fabiog | ildikov: it could be a list of questions too. to facilitate the discussion | 15:23 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: gordc: well, if we know already that it will take longer, then we could mark the free sessions as it is already marked as we can continue the dicussion there | 15:23 |
| fabiog | gordc: cdent I will schedule a meeting to talk about it | 15:23 |
| gordc | fabiog: kk | 15:23 |
| fabiog | cdent: you are in Ireland, right? | 15:23 |
| gordc | ildikov: i think i already did (unofficially)... it's in the brackets | 15:24 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: that topic brings us far IMHO, but I agree that it belongs to cdent/fabiog's session to discuss the idea | 15:24 |
| cdent | UK, send me some email and we'll work out what to do | 15:24 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, that is what I tried to refer to | 15:24 |
| gordc | ildikov: sure i'll change that slot to officially say "deal with cdent's madness" :) | 15:25 |
| cdent | NO COOKIES FOR GORDC | 15:25 |
| ildikov | cdent: fabiog: an etherpad with a rough guideline prior to the session would be useful | 15:25 |
| cdent | yes, that makes sense | 15:26 |
| ildikov | gordc: LOL :) | 15:26 |
| gordc | cdent: i'll just go to store.. /me hopes for sale. | 15:26 |
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| gordc | fabiog: cdent: please use this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ceilometer-identity | 15:26 |
| gordc | i assume there isn't one created already | 15:26 |
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| gordc | fabiog: cdent: i forgot but do you think your topic links to any other teams? | 15:27 |
| gordc | ops? | 15:27 |
| cdent | there are the notes that I made when putting the thing on the spreadsheet, but those were supposed to be background to figuring out a guide, so I'll just link to that from this and do more outliney stuff on the new one | 15:28 |
| cdent | its partially in response to the ops stuff the prior day | 15:28 |
| cdent | as in "what strategies can we use to make the changes they require of us" | 15:28 |
| ildikov | gordc: I think if we would bring this up on an ops session it would be an endless discussion | 15:28 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. i'm just asking because i can also make the session appear in other projects schedules... so there's more eyes | 15:28 |
| cdent | (with the general notion that breaking-things-up is a way to go for a variety of reasons) | 15:28 |
| gordc | ildikov: yeah... i took off original ops link because i was worried of that. we can play it by ear. | 15:29 |
| cdent | gordc the idea is for it to involve input from other people, so yeah, I guess so | 15:29 |
| cdent | It needs to be more more people than just us who are talking right now or why bother? | 15:29 |
| gordc | cdent: ok. i'll add tag. | 15:29 |
| gordc | for the other topics. please let me know if you'd like a link to another project. | 15:30 |
| fabiog | gordc: also is relevant for billing people ... | 15:30 |
| ildikov | cdent: in case of topics like this it usually not helps that much to have a huge amount of people involved from the beginning | 15:30 |
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| gordc | fabiog: doesn't seem to be a 'billing' stream. so i think it might be covered by 'ops' | 15:31 |
| cdent | ildikov: I know that is usually the case but the entire point of doing this is to make it clear that people have a vision of how things are and should be that is not aligned | 15:31 |
| cdent | either with each other or with the user base | 15:31 |
| * cdent just gave away the secrete | 15:31 | |
| cdent | whoops | 15:31 |
| gordc | ildikov: i think it might be ok. a 9am start tends to have a smaller audience anyways | 15:31 |
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| ildikov | cdent: everyone will have an opinion that where and what we should do, you will not find a matching one, so it's better to involve more people, when at least this team tends to agree | 15:32 |
| fabiog | gordc: yeah, depends on the party success the night before .. | 15:32 |
| ildikov | gordc: good point :) | 15:32 |
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| cdent | this team _doesn't_ agree! | 15:32 |
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| cdent | and we need to | 15:33 |
| ildikov | cdent: right not it does not, but we should get there once, IMHO | 15:33 |
| cdent | thus the session | 15:33 |
| * gordc isn't overly concerned with complete agreement... just a common general direction. | 15:34 | |
| ildikov | gordc: this was the tends to agree part of my sentence :) | 15:34 |
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| gordc | ildikov: :) | 15:35 |
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| gordc | we all good? i will add the etherpads to the schedule within next 30mins... you can all post there afterwards | 15:35 |
| cdent | yup | 15:35 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I think yeap | 15:36 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:36 |
| gordc | cdent i just noticed your etherpad. i'll use yours | 15:36 |
| gordc | i'll give it a minute but we'll move on | 15:36 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: Gnocchi status (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:37 | |
| gordc | jd: sileht: cdent: anything? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | 1.0.0 released | 15:38 |
| gordc | cool stuf | 15:38 |
| ttx | gordc: yes it is normal. See my email introducing Cheddar | 15:38 |
| sileht | gordc, I have rework the influxdb driver to work with the latest release binding binding | 15:38 |
| cdent | some nice noise on the os-dev list from tim bell and crew wanting to test it | 15:38 |
| gordc | ttx: cool cool. thanks. | 15:38 |
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| gordc | cdent: no pressure. | 15:38 |
| cdent | indeed | 15:39 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:40 |
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| gordc | so... we all good? :) i'll give it a min | 15:41 |
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| gordc | see you later folks! | 15:42 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 15:42:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-05-07-15.03.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-05-07-15.03.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-05-07-15.03.log.html | 15:42 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 17:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:01 |
| samueldmq | I am | 17:01 |
| jlanoux_ | hi | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_May_7th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, sdague, jogo, mkoderer: around? | 17:02 |
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| sdague | yep | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | well, let's get started, more people might trickle in later | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Session Planning | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-qa-summit-topics | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | so at last weeks meeting we idenitified a few of the topics to discuss for the slots we have | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | I wanted to finalize the list at this meeting so I can take care of submitting the schedule today or tomorrow | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | we've got 2 fishbowl slots and 2 work room slots left on the etherpad | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | before we go through each item individually was there anything in the ideas section that stuck out to anyone as being necessary for a session? | 17:06 |
| sdague | well, given that I can't read the etherpad due to mtreinish's blinding colors, I'll refrain from commenting | 17:06 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, the red did get a bit more obnoxious after the etherpad upgrade :) | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | I'll dial it back a bit | 17:07 |
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| sdague | it was always terrible :P | 17:07 |
| sdague | not a good way to invite collaboration | 17:07 |
| samueldmq | sdague, yes I was afraid to | 17:07 |
| samueldmq | hehe | 17:08 |
| sdague | looking at the list ... | 17:08 |
| samueldmq | mtreinish, can I ask a question regarding 'Tempest Scope Revisited' ? | 17:08 |
| samueldmq | or should I do it post-meeting in #qa | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | samueldmq: sure, hopefully I'll be able to answer it | 17:09 |
| samueldmq | mtreinish, if I understood correctly, we may be able to migrate all the functional tests to services | 17:09 |
| samueldmq | and tempest will only remains with integration ones | 17:09 |
| samueldmq | is that right ? | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | samueldmq: maybe, it's really not so clear cut, which is part of the problem | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | that's why we're going to have a session on it | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | samueldmq: all we have right now is a process for doing the migration | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | samueldmq: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/Tempest-test-removal | 17:11 |
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| samueldmq | mtreinish, k, if we go for this, we will need to establish a process to migrate functional tests, and make sure tempest tests vs service tests correspond | 17:11 |
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| samueldmq | mtreinish, nice, thanks | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | ok, getting back to the list, looking at the sessions it looks like that both UUID topic and dkranz's testing outside the gate have more interest | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | so what do people think about a work room for the uuid topic | 17:12 |
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| sdague | I think a work room for the uuid topic would be fine | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | and a fishbowl for testing outside of the gate | 17:13 |
| sdague | I guess the other question is about the post gate testing which has some overlap with infra, but I think realistically is going to end up being more qa folks doing it if it happens | 17:13 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ++ | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I mean we did have a QA session on it in Paris and had some work items come out of it | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | it just never came to fruition | 17:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I thought that was at the thing in Germany which I could not attend? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we had a follow up session in Paris, andreaf led it | 17:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway we need to figure out some way to get it done | 17:15 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: if we have the space, that seems like a good place to spend it | 17:15 |
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| andreaf | dkranz: we talked about that both in Darmstadt as well as in Paris | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, that's what I thought | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I've marked both of those | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, I guess part of this is what do you believe the top 5 things are we need to get done in the next cycle? | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I was just thinking that, I was thinking we could do a liberty priorities session as the last fishbowl slot | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: That's a good idea | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | sdague: but I see what you're getting at with 5 priorities and 5 fishbowl topics | 17:19 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: the problem is we have four people at this meeting so how can we decide that now? | 17:19 |
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| dkranz | Priorities are meaningless unless we have folks signed up to do stuff | 17:20 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, however, a priorities session is also a good idea | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then I'll put the priorities session as the last fishbowl | 17:21 |
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| sdague | I was more thinking making sure everything that's we all think is important is getting time, or if there is something that's important but unspoken at this point | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah the big but unspoken is what I'm worried about | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | but if we are overlooking something there is the meetup day on Friday | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | ok, so we have one work room slot left, does anyone have a topic on the list which stands out for it? | 17:23 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: how about sending the agenda to the ml with a "speak now or ...". That might flush out a big thing if some one has it but is not a regular at our meetings. | 17:25 |
| samueldmq | dkranz, I think it's a good idea | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: hmm, well it might be a bit too late for that, ttx said the schedules should be done this week | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | but I can still do it I guess | 17:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: well if it goes out now, it is just a choice to use something that is responded in 24h or fill from what we have. I am ok for you to decide. | 17:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think you already moved things that folks said was a "must have" | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: I think something like stages of a test run (e.g. install tests, setup resources, verify config, run, cleanup) fit in the tempest CLI session | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, and looking at the list of ideas left there nothing really stands out as needing a session anymore | 17:29 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: so I didn't propose any session about this specifically | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, we could do a work room on the cli, dpaterson has a WIP up but the spec has never been finalized | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sounds like you just volunteered :) | 17:30 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: sure, fine | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | hehe | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | I mean there is an overlap with sdague's tempest as a system program topic if we do a separate cli one | 17:32 |
| sdague | don't call it my session, I've no idea what I'll be able to attend :) | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: do you think there is enough to talk about just on the cli? | 17:33 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes - but perhaps this leaves more space in sdague session about the other topics, and in this session we can discuss more in details what kind of CLI we want to have | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, I'll schedule to make sure you can :) | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | (assuming that it's possible to do that) | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, wfm | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: but still it might be a relatively light session | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: hmm ok, well I'll use it for now, we can always double up with another topic too | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | I also should talk to jeblair because I was thinking of doing an infra subunit2sql topic, but we could use that qa slot for it too if their schedule was tighter | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | ok, well I think we've got at least a good grasp on the list, I'll work on it and put it into the tool today or tomorrow | 17:37 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok - sounds good to me | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else on this topic? | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: did you survive the lightning? | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | sdague: did you want to discuss the wheel thing? | 17:39 |
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| sdague | the explosion? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I think that's what dtroyer was alluding to before | 17:41 |
| sdague | beyond the fact that cffi is ... challenging | 17:41 |
| sdague | yeh, turns out because there are multiple ways to install things in python, that have different rules, our wheel building actually ruinned the world the other day | 17:42 |
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| sdague | I think - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180549/ actually is a more appropriate fix | 17:42 |
| sdague | which is just makes sure that pip controls the version in the wheel build venv | 17:42 |
| sdague | would be good to get clarkb and dstuft to also ack that | 17:43 |
| clarkb | looking | 17:43 |
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| sdague | there were a number of upstream bugs filed during the process | 17:43 |
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| clarkb | ya that fix looks good | 17:43 |
| sdague | I don't know if anyone is going to stay on top of those to keep this from ruinning the world when cffi 1.0 actually ships | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: hmm, do you have a list of them somewhere? | 17:44 |
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| sdague | I don't, I was drinking a lot of margaritas | 17:46 |
| sdague | clarkb or lifeless might know | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, ok | 17:46 |
| sdague | it was tuesday night :) | 17:46 |
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| clarkb | the one I was aware of was against cffi to fallback on writeable tmp for the file if it needs to | 17:46 |
| clarkb | and anyone with a wheel mirror they curate should know to rebuild it once cffi upgrades | 17:47 |
| clarkb | this ^ is the real problem and the bug proposes a work around that cffi could ship but does not yet currently | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | hmm, ok. Well, I'll follow up after the meeting see if there's anything we need to keep our eyes on pending the next cffi release | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on devstack? | 17:49 |
| sdague | nope | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/178341 | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/178343 | 17:51 |
| samueldmq | mtreinish, identity v3 only flag ? can I ask reviews for that ? | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | 2 pretty simple tempest-lib cleanups | 17:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/179398 | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | samueldmq: sure | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179398/ | 17:51 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/179401 | 17:51 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/179511 | 17:52 |
| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179663/ | 17:52 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168367/ - not so critical but it has been around for a while | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/179511 removes a bunch of smoke from the object tests | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168367/ | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: +2, thanks | 17:52 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: #link and this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149229/ for the ssh-auth bp | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149229/ | 17:53 |
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| andreaf | thx, I added some text after the link command :P | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | heh, yeah I didn't think meetbot would parse that all correctly :) | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | oh, I have one more link | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:python3-support,n,z | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | those should all be simple to review | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | mostly just switch to six in a bunch of places | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | not really critical, just high rebase likelihood | 17:56 |
| dkranz | I'll do a bunch of reviews this afternoon. | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: cool, thanks | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | ok, I guess with <4 min left, let's end here for today | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | thanks, everyone | 17:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the first two links I pasted were the ones to complete running the non-admin job (once cli is removed) | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: oh, yeah feel free to +2 the cli removal patch | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | we're at the end of the week | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 17:58:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-05-07-17.01.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-05-07-17.01.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-05-07-17.01.log.html | 17:58 |
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| dtroyer | osc meeting ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | anyone here yet? | 19:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Sorry | 19:04 |
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| * sigmavirus24 is distracted with a myriad of things =( | 19:04 | |
| dtroyer | might be a short meeting today, just you two so far | 19:06 |
| stevemar | yeah, i deliberately turned off irc, had to work on some ppts | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | and I may need to have someone startmeeting because I've already had two power outages this morning and another line of storms is on the way… | 19:06 |
| lifeless | sdague: hi, cffi? No, upstream seem in de nile | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | sdague: they are more worried about the fallout from a slow-but-working-import-when-the-target-isn't-writable than it breaking hard. | 19:07 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i can start if needed | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | go ahead, this will be quick anyway imo | 19:07 |
| stevemar | okay | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | The agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#07_May_2015 | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | and basically just summit planning | 19:08 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 19:08:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:08 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | dang, I was too early | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | light agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#07_May_2015 | 19:08 |
| stevemar | #topic Summit planning | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | courtesy pings for dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:09 |
| stevemar | current summit planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-liberty-summit-planning | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | I massaged the etherpad a bit for the schedule, no real content changes since last week | 19:09 |
| stevemar | i think the amount of content is pretty good | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | I plan to push that into the schedule after the meeting | 19:10 |
| stevemar | if i could add one more item... | 19:11 |
| stevemar | federation support for osc, it should just be "use ksc plugins" | 19:11 |
| stevemar | but i wanted to talk about it | 19:11 |
| stevemar | maybe it can just be a side session with us and marekd | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | when would you do that? I don't think what I have will fill a session, want to do it then? | 19:12 |
| stevemar | sure | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | ok, added | 19:13 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, thanks | 19:13 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, what do you mean by "Object Store commands"? do we have a list? | 19:14 |
| stevemar | or just support more options and stuff | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | I don't have a list, it was #2 on the original list below | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | there are 'advanced' command that we don't have | 19:14 |
| stevemar | have an example of one? or a way we can determine what's missing? | 19:15 |
| stevemar | aside from using blanket terms :) | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | I don't, I'm not sure who wrote the pink text | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | we'd have to go a detailed comaprison with swiftclient again | 19:16 |
| stevemar | i think that was terry | 19:16 |
| stevemar | #4 is kind of done, and overlaps with ksc | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | This is good enough for the schedure, we can flesh it out in the session etherpad | 19:16 |
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| stevemar | i suppose | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | #4 is also going to change when I get back to writing code again | 19:17 |
| stevemar | d'oh | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | one of the things I want to talk about is working out the precedence rules | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I know there isn't consensus on how that should work | 19:17 |
| stevemar | yeah | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | I think that's a work session topic | 19:18 |
| stevemar | i don't think thats much of an issue, we just to state "this is the order" | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | is #7 done? I thought it might be but didn't find it | 19:18 |
| stevemar | launchpad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | the issue with arguments is if env vars should even be included if —os-cloud is used | 19:19 |
| stevemar | you mean don't evaluate env vars at all? | 19:19 |
| stevemar | or only if --os-cloud is used? | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | don't use env vars at all if —os-cloud is used. | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I don't agree with that | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | whats the use case for including them | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | there are well-established conventions how to do things like this in the UNIX world and I would like to follow those | 19:20 |
| stevemar | i don't agree with that either... sounds fishy | 19:20 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, going back to #7: yeah, it's done https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/configuration-file | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | the example I wrote up is basically my situation at Nebula, having three clouds to switch between but someitmes needing to override project, I'd get MxN combinations in the config file without being to override that | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | oh so you put all your auth data into the config file | 19:23 |
| stevemar | and OS_PROJECT=thing_you_need_now | 19:23 |
| stevemar | rather than editing | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | you would have to without env vars | 19:23 |
| stevemar | the file | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:23 |
| stevemar | i like that | 19:23 |
| stevemar | how about we prioritize things | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | OCC has some special handling for Rax regions but I think I'd use that the same way | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | sure | 19:24 |
| stevemar | OCC has lowest priority, followed by env. vars, followed by inline args | 19:24 |
| stevemar | works well if switching projects and such | 19:25 |
| stevemar | and users | 19:25 |
| stevemar | we could even ship config files that work with specific clouds | 19:25 |
| stevemar | and have users only set uname/pass/project in env. | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | that's exactly what clouds-public.yaml is | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | I don't know if I'd want to package it, but we could point to a place to get one (them) | 19:26 |
| stevemar | noice | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | Monty has reasonable defaults for 3 or 4 clouds in occ itself already anyway | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | so prioritization…want to do that now for a strawman to take into the session? | 19:27 |
| stevemar | sessions are < 2 weeks away, i'm not pushing either position right now | 19:28 |
| stevemar | if you want to hack something up, go ahead, i aint going to stop you | 19:28 |
| stevemar | i don't think it'll change much | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | I thought you were talking about the session topics | 19:28 |
| stevemar | yeah... i'm confused | 19:29 |
| stevemar | meaning do we still chat about it at the session? | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | ok, so let's just move on to talking about releases, both priority topics can wait | 19:29 |
| stevemar | okie | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | #topic releases | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | we didn't break everything with 1.2.0 \o/ | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | always a good thing! | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | so a couple of interesting things recently merged, want to do one more release before summit? | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | i'm down for that, it'll be nice to have the SP CRUD in | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I thought you might want that… | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | so let's plan for Monday or Tuesday to do 1.3.0 | 19:32 |
| stevemar | this is the only not fixed, but targeted https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1447704 | 19:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447704 in python-openstackclient "token issue fails for keystone v2 if OS_PROJECT_DOMAIN_NAME or OS_USER_DOMAIN_NAME are set" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Dean Troyer (dtroyer) | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | that's what sent me down the argparsing path | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | I hope I can get it resolved, but I'm not sure I want to merge it and release right away | 19:32 |
| stevemar | it is low priority, with a workaround, that ... if fixed could hurt us bad | 19:33 |
| stevemar | cost vs benefit | 19:33 |
| stevemar | i'm okay with pushing it | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:33 |
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| stevemar | pushing it to m12 i mean | 19:34 |
| stevemar | we just need to tell folks to unset OS_USER_DOMAIN_NAME and OS_PROJECT_DOMAIN_NAME | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | I would like to get some of my tests merged though, those also came out of that bug because we really don't properly test out global cli options | 19:34 |
| stevemar | unless we apply another bandage :) | 19:34 |
| stevemar | fair enough | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | we can release note that, we haven't [put known issues in there before but should for things like this | 19:35 |
| stevemar | anything else you want to include? | 19:35 |
| stevemar | that insecure/verify option is pretty bad | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, didn't someone propose a patch for that? | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | terry did, and I didn't like how he did it... | 19:37 |
| stevemar | yar https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179367/ | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | let's get the test in for how it works now, then that one can fix the test | 19:38 |
| stevemar | btw - "release before the summit" still leaves us with a decent sized window | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | I've got that branch (the —verify/—insecure tests) up riight now and should have https://review.openstack.org/179430 respun today | 19:39 |
| stevemar | we can squeeze in a good amount of changed | 19:39 |
| stevemar | your tests are failingzzz | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I essentially disappear on Friday, let's cut off release window at wednesday at the latest? | 19:40 |
| stevemar | fair enough | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | I wrote the test for hwo I want it to work, gotta make recognize what it is now | 19:40 |
| stevemar | i dunno about this one | 19:41 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123539/ | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | I don't like those option names | 19:42 |
| stevemar | did we include support for create/update to specify a parent project? | 19:42 |
| stevemar | according to https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/identity/v3/project.py we did not | 19:42 |
| stevemar | oh wait.. | 19:42 |
| stevemar | i can't read | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | —paren tis there | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | —parent | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | I want the new options to match better | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | --children then? | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | can a project have multiple parents? | 19:44 |
| stevemar | sort of | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | —children matches better than parent | 19:44 |
| stevemar | not like mom and dad, but parent and grandparent | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | ok, so his use of 'parents' isn't wrong in the help | 19:44 |
| stevemar | i mean that seriously | 19:44 |
| stevemar | right | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | right, all the way up the tree | 19:44 |
| stevemar | list should just be --parents and --children | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | the arguments should be singular: —parent and —child | 19:45 |
| stevemar | err... "show" not list | 19:45 |
| stevemar | why singular? | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | oh, so we also have to deal with another lits of items on a show output... | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | because everything in osc is singular | 19:45 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | doing those in csv is always fun | 19:46 |
| stevemar | s/fun/broken | 19:46 |
| stevemar | blah, i don't like lists in show output | 19:47 |
| stevemar | but we do it in several spots already | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | so the python api takes parents_as_list and subtree_as_list? | 19:48 |
| stevemar | yeah, don't ask | 19:48 |
| stevemar | because there was another parents_as_something | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | Ill re-comment in that review and we can argue from there again | 19:48 |
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| stevemar | parents_as_ids is the alternate | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | I always think these things will be short… and here we are a ten-till | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | oh! one more topic for summit… Jamie and I had a long chant about taking over the world again the other night, but the 'what do we do about stable backports' needs to be clarified somewhere | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | hmmm… it seemed like a chant, some of the packaging bits get said over and over... | 19:51 |
| stevemar | right, thats going to be an interesting discussion | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: I think you were around for the beginnning, about https://review.openstack.org/180018 | 19:52 |
| stevemar | yep | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: stable backports? | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | ah. | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | yeah, we need to clarify that, bugs only | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we should install osc into a virtualenv in devstack, like we do with tempest | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | it works well, but is a sub-optimal user experience interactively | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | that was the first venv part I did, all clients actually | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | ah | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | but never merged it because the servers seemed like a better win | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | I haven't used devstack in a while, actually, so I'm still coming up to speed on recent changes | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | I swear I'm going to try pex any day now… | 19:55 |
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| dhellmann | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pipsi is interesting, too | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer | I looked at that when starting the venv bits, ther was a reson I didn't persue it, need to find it in my notes | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | oh man | 19:57 |
| lifeless | curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mitsuhiko/pipsi/master/get-pipsi.py | python | 19:57 |
| lifeless | ^- lost any concept of credibility right there | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | yeah, that always inspires confidence in a project | 19:57 |
| * dhellmann notes that is how pip is installed, too | 19:57 | |
| lifeless | dhellmann: it is? | 19:58 |
| stevemar | thoughts on backporting to stable? | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | get-pip.py? | 19:58 |
| lifeless | sorry, derailing. ECHANNEL. | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | ah, it insists on everything in its own venv, which is exactly what folk didn't want for the servers | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: oh, I thought that's what we *were* doing? | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | I mean, I didn't want it, but I thought we were doing it anyway | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | pip might be sailing through on the dstufft exception because we know him? | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: both have a bootstrapping issue | 19:59 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: no, we built some infrastructure to allow it, but it's not the default | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | I wrote the server venv code to be able to do that and tested it that way, but sdague wants to put them all in one by default | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | yeah, what he said | 19:59 |
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| stevemar | timeeee | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | although I guess we'll need 2 for the python 3 stuff | 19:59 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 19:59:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-05-07-19.08.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-05-07-19.08.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-05-07-19.08.log.html | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | that's for driving stevemar, thunderstoem is still about 15 minutes out, | 20:00 |
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| stevemar | np | 20:00 |
| sdague | dhellmann: right, I think sticking all python3 things into 1 venv separate from system is probably a good mixed mode testing approach | 20:00 |
| sdague | which should be possible with the infrastructure that's in tehre | 20:00 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: you going to start it? | 21:00 |
| dansmith | hellz no | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | you do it | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | go for it | 21:00 |
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| * bauzas waiting to wave | 21:00 | |
| beagles | this does not bode well for the meeting | 21:01 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:01 |
| mikal | Want me to be the bad guy? | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | somebody start the meeting pls. | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | mikal: yes | 21:01 |
| mriedem | mikal: start | 21:01 |
| beagles | lol | 21:01 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 21:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| mikal | Hi! | 21:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | feels like deja vu | 21:01 |
| andreykurilin__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
| dims | o/ | 21:01 |
| artom | o~ | 21:01 |
| beagles | o. | 21:01 |
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| tonyb | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| bauzas | well, ~o | 21:01 |
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| jaypipes | o..../ | 21:02 |
| tjones2 | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | #topic Liberty release status | 21:02 |
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| tonyb | jaypipes: has long arms | 21:02 |
| mikal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/liberty | 21:02 |
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| mikal | Do there are quite a few blueprints in "needs code review" targetted to liberty-1, so that's cool | 21:02 |
| mikal | Spec review is still ongoing as well | 21:03 |
| mikal | I'm not sure what else to say apart from that | 21:03 |
| mikal | We have a summit soon! | 21:03 |
| mikal | Anything else peoples? | 21:03 |
| dansmith | non | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | I have a topic related to API | 21:03 |
| mikal | jaypipes: one sec | 21:03 |
| mikal | I just noticed | 21:03 |
| mikal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/devref-refresh-liberty | 21:03 |
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| mikal | Which is a candidate for a non-spec fast pass | 21:04 |
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| jaypipes | "The source tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of developers." | 21:04 |
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| jaypipes | mikal: ++ | 21:04 |
| mikal | That's been filed by johnthetubaguy, but its not clear to me who is signed up to do that work? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | he's doing it | 21:04 |
| bauzas | mikal: that's johnthetubaguy | 21:04 |
| jaypipes | mikal: everyone is. :) | 21:04 |
| dansmith | he has a bunch of patches up | 21:05 |
| mikal | Oh, ok | 21:05 |
| mikal | So, do we let that guy have an approved spec? | 21:05 |
| mikal | It seems like it meets the requirements to me | 21:05 |
| bauzas | doesn't need a spec for it, right? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | not worth a spec for sure, you mean "non-spec approved blueprint" right? | 21:05 |
| mikal | Sorry, BP I mean | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | I'm cool with that. | 21:05 |
| dansmith | yes, +2 | 21:05 |
| mikal | Ok, cool | 21:05 |
| mikal | jaypipes: ok, what was your API thing? | 21:06 |
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| jaypipes | I think we should discuss the OverQuota 403 vs. 400 thing. is sdague around? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | can that be open discussion? | 21:07 |
| mikal | Fair question, is it a release thing? | 21:07 |
| johnthetubaguy_w | hey, sorry, waiting for my IRC client to catch up, but I am around | 21:07 |
| jaypipes | no, sorry, I will wait. | 21:07 |
| mikal | jaypipes: thanks | 21:07 |
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| mikal | johnthetubaguy_w: we forgive you, you can tell me when I miss stuff | 21:08 |
| johnthetubaguy_w | mikal: :) | 21:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, I think you approved my spec then? | 21:09 |
| mikal | Anything else for release? | 21:09 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy_w: yes | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 21:09 |
| mikal | #topic Liberty design summit | 21:09 |
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| mikal | Ok, so there is now a list of sessions for the summit online | 21:09 |
| mikal | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Nova#.VUvT8dqqqko | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I have added some folks as leaders | 21:10 |
| mikal | Do you still need session leaders for anything? Or is that all done now? | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I need to get in touch with you all though, and I haven't done that yet | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its not confirmed | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am trying to get the etherpads with the rough agenda, so its clear which session is witch | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are a few overlap kind of things | 21:10 |
| mikal | Are we going to try and set pre-reading again this time? | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | almost there, but I got dragged off into some fires this afteroon | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: +1 | 21:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have added some place holder stuff for some | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | like cells has a link to the cells devref | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am writing up some devref changes for my ones, where it makes snese | 21:11 |
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| alaski | I'll have some specs for the cells stuff | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to send out that request when I contact each proposed leader or leader group | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: perfect | 21:12 |
| bauzas | sounds fair | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: lol | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Nova | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I added etherpads in there | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: so, I noticed there is a free session slot. are you considering any other session topics at this time? | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: yes, thats the next bit really | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: are we generally all happy with the list of slots | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: that place holder, has a place holder... | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: the only one I'm not sure about is the 9am Thurs one. | 21:13 |
| mikal | I think devananda would say he'd like to see discussion of futures for clustered hypervisors | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is a NFV come resource traker one pencilled in | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | mikal: lol, that's exactly the topic I was going to propose. | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: yeah, thats a good point, its not in there | 21:14 |
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| dansmith | ugh | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so thats like consensus | 21:14 |
| bauzas | mikal: that can be discussed re: RT | 21:14 |
| neiljerram | Sorry for a newbie question, but ... do I need to sign up in advance for the sessions I'm interested in? | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: its not a happy topic | 21:14 |
| mikal | I feel a bit like cells is the future there, but I'd like to talk that through with people smarter than me | 21:14 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: no, it's not | 21:14 |
| mikal | neiljerram: no, just show up | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: not really. it will take an entire session, IMO | 21:14 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: unless we decide "no future" then it's fine :) | 21:14 |
| tonyb | neiljerram: Nope just rock up | 21:14 |
| sgordon | i didn't realize we had managed to come up with a controversial NFV thing this time | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… | 21:14 |
| tonyb | neiljerram: sit near the front if you think you might want to talk | 21:14 |
| neiljerram | mikal: Thanks; so the lists of attendees are just for info, then? | 21:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed that it's wide, but we can kick it off there | 21:15 |
| mikal | neiljerram: yep | 21:15 |
| alaski | mikal: cells could be the future, but that needs some discussion because it hasn't been thought through, that I'm aware of | 21:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: and maybe leave details up to Friday ? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | bauzas: are you talking about clustered hypervisors? | 21:15 |
| neiljerram | mikal: cool, thx | 21:15 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yup | 21:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets pencil that into the old resource tracker slot for now, I will try work out if that works (scheduling wise, like no clash with ironic, etc) | 21:15 |
| mikal | So, we don't have to talk about clustered hypervisors, but its a wound we need to heal sometime | 21:15 |
| dansmith | bauzas: there is no question, that's at least an hour discussion | 21:15 |
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| jaypipes | mikal: agreed. | 21:15 |
| bauzas | dansmith: then we need a slot | 21:15 |
| dansmith | do we think we're going to reach consensus?> | 21:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: you had a question about a section | 21:15 |
| dansmith | or even some actionable items? | 21:16 |
| bauzas | dansmith: that's the quesiton | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: if everyone agrees with me and you, yes. | 21:16 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: hah | 21:16 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: we know that it's really wide, but I don't yet see what would be the outcome | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: something about a big fire? | 21:16 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah :) | 21:16 |
| mikal | dansmith: we had talked in the past about clustered hypervisors being presented as cells when the cells refactor is done. I would like to know if we still think that's an option at least. | 21:16 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: if you let me lead that, we can be done in ten minutes | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I was wondering if the Nova API 2.0, 2.1, 3rd party APIs thing was really necessary along with the Nova: API v2.1 next steps one. | 21:16 |
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| dansmith | mikal: I don't think it is really anymore | 21:16 |
| dansmith | mikal: the way we're headed | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: so I should share what I am intending there | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | please do :) | 21:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we have moved slots that want operator input to the thrusday | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | as there are no ops tracks that day | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically I wanted to do v2.0 future with operators in the room | 21:17 |
| bauzas | what's the goal of having a session discusing about distributed hyps ? to say it's barely supported and we need to fix stuff ? | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I see. OK. | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: a valid question though, is do we need the previous one without the operators there | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and what would replace it) | 21:18 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: that's prolly a question for alex_xu and oomichi. | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I would tend to say "no". | 21:18 |
| dansmith | so | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I have a suggestion for a session if it is replaced... | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I thought that the first one was about our next steps for implementation, | 21:19 |
| dansmith | and the second was about when we can deprecate v2.0, whether people have been poking it, etc | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: isn't that pretty much settled, though? | 21:19 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: which? | 21:19 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: what next steps are necessary at this point? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: we still have work to do on the client, we have some things to work out around when and where we do microversions, etc, right? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | maybe | 21:20 |
| dansmith | I'm just saying, I thought that was the split | 21:20 |
| sgordon | is it really likely ops have been heavily poking given kilo was only just released? | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: I see what you're saying.. | 21:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that was my thinking too | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yeah, prolly good to keep it and discuss those things. | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean its 1.5 sessions, probably | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we might be slow by the end of the day | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | one thing, jaypipes you had a replacement idea? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: it's a 5:20pm session, which means folks are gonna be antsy to cut it short anyway. | 21:21 |
| dansmith | sgordon: maybe not, but we also said we'd circle with CD people to get them to push it out early and test it with some specific customers | 21:21 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: yeah | 21:21 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: yes, I had an idea about a session for discussing higher-level grouping concepts like availability zones and regions and what AWS calls placement groups, and where to store that information properly in Nova (or outside of Nova) | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I just don't want that proposed session to be hijacked by the cascading openstack stuff. | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I think we have time in the scheduler session (maybe) for that stuff | 21:22 |
| dansmith | lol | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | so I've kinda kept it secretish :) | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: that a good point… | 21:22 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: does your idea include fractals? | 21:22 |
| dims | that's funny jaypipes | 21:22 |
| alaski | jaypipes: we should talk about that at some point, as it concerns cells I think | 21:22 |
| dansmith | because if not.. snoozefest | 21:22 |
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| jaypipes | alaski: tru nuf | 21:23 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I would suggest you to read https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-scheduler-in-liberty about AZs | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: jaypipes: I will make a note to add that in one of the scheduler sessions, I think its sorto fo there already | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | ideas: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/make-availability-zone-real-data-model | 21:23 |
| dansmith | scheduler and cells are together, so we can just hit that in those | 21:23 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sure, that works :) thx! | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | either one. cells or scheduler is fine. | 21:23 |
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| mikal | So, we're done with that? | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: put it in the first one, it could slip if needed | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I am good | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for the feedback folks | 21:24 |
| mikal | Ok, the last thing for design summit on the agenda is a stow away | 21:24 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I added an AZ section on the first session, see the etherpad | 21:24 |
| mikal | There is a proposal to run a mid-cycle meeting this release | 21:24 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's tied to your NP | 21:24 |
| mikal | Do we think there is value in a mid-cycle meetup? | 21:25 |
| bauzas | BP even | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | cheers | 21:25 |
| mikal | The current proposal is Tuesday 21st July till Thursday 23rd July in Rochester, MN | 21:25 |
| cfriesen | jaypipes: bauzas: can we allow hosts to be part of multiple orthogonal availability zones? | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I do | 21:25 |
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| dansmith | they're always useful, IMHO | 21:25 |
| alaski | I've always found value | 21:25 |
| bauzas | cfriesen: let's discuss that off-meeting :) | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | cfriesen: leave it for the discussion in YVR! ;) | 21:25 |
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| mikal | I guess the question could be rephrasesd as "will enough people come if we run one to make it worth while?" | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I keep wondering because of what ttx said about the summit, but they are useful | 21:25 |
| melwitt | I find midcycle valuable too | 21:26 |
| bauzas | mikal: that's a fair question, I would love remote possibilities | 21:26 |
| mriedem | we'd have a few cross-project people here too, and could maybe rope mestery in if he's around (lives 90 miles away) | 21:26 |
| tonyb | bauzas: I think we can do someting with google hangouts | 21:26 |
| mriedem | if we wanted to talk neutron things | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | mikal: dims and I will be there pretty much regardless of when and where... unless it's in like Antarctica. | 21:26 |
| artom | bauzas, as in remote-in to a "real life" meeting? | 21:26 |
| tonyb | bauzas: like we did in Jan only better | 21:26 |
| mikal | bauzas: yeah, the fancy mike worked ok last time | 21:26 |
| bauzas | 21-23 Jul is also conflicting with EuroPython IIRC | 21:26 |
| dims | ++ | 21:27 |
| bauzas | mikal: sure, just wanted to say 'please, continue' :) | 21:27 |
| mikal | So, my concern is if we debate the details too much we'll never get around to actually doing the thing | 21:27 |
| mikal | So should we just open up a signup and see how many people say yes? | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | yes | 21:27 |
| mikal | And cancel if we get say less than ten? | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: +1 | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mikal: +1 | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 21:27 |
| dansmith | given how many we had last time, is there a concern? :) | 21:28 |
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| mikal | dansmith: I don't know how much of that was the CA bump though | 21:28 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: you | 21:28 |
| mestery | mriedem: I'd come down especially if you're providing John Hardy's BBQ as a dinner option :P | 21:28 |
| tonyb | we had 55 register and 30ish show up | 21:28 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: you're ok with me doing that thing? | 21:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: please do, thank you! | 21:28 |
| mikal | Ok, I will create and eventbrite thing today sometime | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: thats a good Segway to the next topic | 21:28 |
| mikal | Ahhh, nice call | 21:29 |
| mikal | #topic Czar and CPL Refresh | 21:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I am going to keep this really short… | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, if you want to help out with the running of Nova, taking on a particular aspect | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | then do reach out | 21:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: is working with mriedem on sorting out the midcycle, and thats awesome | 21:30 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: sign me up for gate i guess | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think mikal is going to become our Security Czar | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: awesome thank you | 21:30 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I'd be happy to do the security coordination as long as alaski and tonyb aren't offended by it | 21:30 |
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| alaski | mikal: I am the opposite of offended | 21:30 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: alaski especially has more tenure than me there | 21:30 |
| mikal | alaski: awww, thanks man | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so no need to all step up now | 21:31 |
| * jaypipes self-nominates as Czar of Awesomeness | 21:31 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | but if you fancy something, let me know | 21:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: sure, probably needs some kind of jingle theme music | 21:31 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I'm running for that too, so they'll have to vote | 21:31 |
| mikal | I really like the idea of a mentoring czar by the way | 21:31 |
| jaypipes | :) | 21:31 |
| mikal | But I don't think that's a job I'd personally be good at | 21:31 |
| * artom fancies ice cream. Is that in Nova yet? | 21:31 | |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways drop me an main or IRC ping if you interested in something | 21:31 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: is now a good time to discuss the need for a counterpart to sc68cal as a Neutron liaison from Nova? | 21:32 |
| bauzas | mentoring czar ? | 21:32 |
| sc68cal | jaypipes: beat me to it | 21:32 |
| jaypipes | heh | 21:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: thank you for the reminder, yes | 21:32 |
| bauzas | nice idea, in particular for Nova | 21:32 |
| alaski | mikal: I like that as well | 21:32 |
| mikal | bauzas: its in the wiki list of possible hats | 21:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have lots of blanks in the above | 21:32 |
| * sc68cal needs to find weights to stop jaypipes from typing faster than he does | 21:32 | |
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| artom | mikal, possible hats? Link? | 21:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we need someone to go to the neutron meating | 21:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I couldn't find that dammed page earlier | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | oops | 21:33 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova#People | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, there is another one somehwere | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: to be clear, I am happy to add more :) | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | with funny names if that makes you feel good | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone up for the neutron thing? | 21:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | beagles we keep winking at you, is that working at all? | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | I guess we need to add a table in cross project wiki for cross project | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | last week beagles was asking his mgmt for permission | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | sc68cal: that would be awesome, thanks | 21:34 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: question... if nobody self-nominates, will you appoint someone? | 21:34 |
| alaski | I would like to be tangentially involved, for cells stuff, but can't commit to it full time | 21:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I might start asking people more forcefully, yes | 21:34 |
| bauzas | that's all about committing ourselves :) | 21:34 |
| jaypipes | how very British of you, johnthetubaguy! | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: if everyone says no, I believe it defaults to me, which is bad news, as I am likely to make a hash of it | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: :) | 21:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so if anyone wants a nice cup of tea… its yours | 21:35 |
| artom | Last time the British did something forcefully an empire happened... | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | OK, well action item for sc68cal to send another email out, cc'ing johnthetubaguy to the openstack-dev ML asking for a Nova community member to be the Neutron liaison. | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | artom: :) | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its worth a nudge | 21:35 |
| mikal | Next topic? | 21:36 |
| * mikal looks at the clock concernedly | 21:36 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:36 |
| claudiub | wasnt there a neutrob liason proposed by mestery? | 21:36 |
| beagles | whoops I am here | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | claudiub: that was me | 21:36 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:36 |
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| beagles | (interrupted) ... I am up for it btw | 21:36 |
| bauzas | so I made a little triage | 21:36 |
| claudiub | or recomanded? | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | si, low hanging fruit bugs | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need those soon, for the upstream training | 21:37 |
| mikal | And I pinged the ironic people cause they have more than their fair share | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if some one fancies that, its cool | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so a Bug Czar would be awesome | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically | 21:37 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I tried to find some | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | to help push this | 21:37 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: do you know how many low hanging fruit bugs the training people need as a minimum? | 21:37 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: for the low-hanging-fruits | 21:37 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: or just as many as we can find? | 21:37 |
| bauzas | mikal: as many as you can | 21:38 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | reed: ^ | 21:38 |
| bauzas | mikal: that's depending on the students who will pick what htey want | 21:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess its time to discuss the gate | 21:38 |
| claudiub | sc68cal: i see, thanks for the answer. :) | 21:38 |
| reed | mikal, many :) | 21:38 |
| edleafe | Hey, I can write some bugs if you need 'em | 21:38 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy: mikal: another big bunch we can offload are the ec2 related bugs. right? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | yeah, I was going to say, I can make some new ones | 21:38 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: well, can we quickly do coresec first? | 21:38 |
| reed | it should be a habit of leaving the small stuff available for people to get trained :) | 21:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal: sorry yes | 21:39 |
| bauzas | just mentioning that the trivial bug list is back up | 21:39 |
| mikal | So, we're doing a bit of a reboot of the group that does embargoed security vulnerabilities | 21:39 |
| mriedem | bauzas: link? | 21:39 |
| reed | edleafe, I knew I could count on you :) | 21:39 |
| edleafe | reed: it's what I do best! :) | 21:39 |
| mikal | Mostly because of some burnout from very hard working people | 21:39 |
| mikal | There are a few bugs in flight I am getting my head around | 21:39 |
| bauzas | mriedem: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:39 |
| bauzas | mikal: I left them new | 21:40 |
| mikal | But if you're a subject matter expert in an area we have a bug for, expect a tap on the shoulder | 21:40 |
| bauzas | mikal: since we don't yet know if it's a config problem or more than that | 21:40 |
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| mikal | Also, if you're interested on helping out on the security bug thing more directly, come talk to me | 21:41 |
| mikal | Especially if you don't work for Rackspace | 21:41 |
| mikal | Cause we're kind of hogging it all at the moment | 21:41 |
| mikal | And we love sharing | 21:41 |
| alaski | +1 | 21:41 |
| tonyb | mikal: +1 | 21:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:41 |
| mikal | Oh, good point. We should also say who is working on this at the moment... | 21:41 |
| dims | mikal: i can help with security stuff if you need a hand | 21:41 |
| mikal | Which is alaski, tonyb and I | 21:41 |
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| mikal | dims: we were worried you were too big a deal in oslo now for us little people? | 21:42 |
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| dims | says the person who is core on many things :) | 21:42 |
| * johnthetubaguy hopes distro folks are able to help out with this | 21:42 | |
| mikal | dims: we'd love your help, let's talk more after this? | 21:42 |
| dansmith | are we including -drivers like we said? | 21:42 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: distros help on the reporting end :) | 21:42 |
| dims | mikal: ack | 21:42 |
| dansmith | I was assuming I was already on the hook for this because of that | 21:43 |
| mikal | dansmith: I think that's fallen out of my brain | 21:43 |
| mikal | The VMT likes the group being very small, but I am not opposed | 21:43 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: opinion? | 21:43 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:43 |
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| dansmith | that's cool with me of course | 21:43 |
| dansmith | can also just reach out to drivers first when you need some generalist feedback or something | 21:43 |
| jaypipes | mikal: well dims isn't a particularly tall person. | 21:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, I flip flopped on this | 21:43 |
| alaski | they like a small group for initial triage at least | 21:43 |
| jaypipes | mikal: so you're cool. | 21:43 |
| mikal | dansmith: definitely on the reach out thing | 21:44 |
| dims | :) | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically we are going to use that group to do initial traige | 21:44 |
| jaypipes | : | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its normally one person | 21:44 |
| jaypipes | :) | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we are too big | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we need to do better at roping people in quickly, then making sure stuff gets complete and pre-reviewed | 21:44 |
| dansmith | the mode of interaction just sucks | 21:44 |
| mikal | And also at pushing back to stupid bugs | 21:44 |
| dansmith | patches in bugs, review comments in comments | 21:44 |
| dansmith | sucks real bad | 21:45 |
| mikal | There's a least one we should just close as being silly | 21:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, it sucks, to try keep it private | 21:45 |
| dansmith | yes, some seem to be blown out of proportion | 21:45 |
| tonyb | dansmith: I'm going to talk to VT and infar about a private gerrit | 21:45 |
| mikal | dansmith: that's true. I thought infra has said we could have a private gerrit by now, but I don't have recent status on that. | 21:45 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I know | 21:45 |
| dansmith | tonyb: that would rock | 21:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for those not sure what we are on about | 21:45 |
| mikal | tonyb: +1 | 21:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://security.openstack.org/vmt-process.html | 21:45 |
| dansmith | anyway, I don't do enough around here, | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | so if you need another nova person, that's cool | 21:45 |
| dansmith | and if not, because you're too large, then that's also fine | 21:46 |
| mikal | While I love this topic, I think we need to move on to end on time. dansmith, I'll chat to you about this after the meeting? | 21:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: don't take this the wrong way, but I would like you on the list so its not all rackspace | 21:46 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:46 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:46 |
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| mikal | So, did we cover gate status? | 21:47 |
| bauzas | nope | 21:47 |
| mriedem | gate is fine | 21:47 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:47 |
| dansmith | done | 21:47 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:47 |
| dansmith | moving on | 21:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 21:47 |
| mikal | Critical bugs? | 21:47 |
| mriedem | in l-1? no | 21:47 |
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| bauzas | nope | 21:47 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:47 |
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| mikal | #topic Review status | 21:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so this will not leave here all the time | 21:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | and is mostly miss leading | 21:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | … so I should explain a bit | 21:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | reviewers who want to improve their skills | 21:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | and generally new folk who want to get involved more | 21:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I want to make sure we get you folks to mentor you | 21:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now I would love a "Mentoring Czar" as a new person contact point, or something like that | 21:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the basic idea is to try get more quality reviews for more places, by helping folk understand what those are | 21:50 |
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| dansmith | I propose Vek as the mentoring czar, since he's always on IRC and responsive | 21:50 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: you mean someone explaining why this comment ? | 21:50 |
| alaski | dansmith: lol | 21:50 |
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| tonyb | johnthetubaguy: Do you have people signed up to do the mentoring? | 21:50 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: or someone identifying your key misses so that you can improve ? | 21:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | tonyb: so the current plan is, I find current nova-core folks who are willing, but its more informal at this point | 21:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so as you can see, its more the start of an idea than a thing | 21:51 |
| dansmith | just being in irc all the time gets you a lot of free mentoring I think | 21:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:52 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: agreed. | 21:52 |
| anteaya | that isn't really mentoring | 21:52 |
| anteaya | that is answering questions | 21:52 |
| jaypipes | anteaya: it's part of it. | 21:52 |
| artom | What's the goal here? Ultimately increase review bandwidth by bringing in more people? Or just make Nova friendlier for newbies? | 21:52 |
| dansmith | no | 21:52 |
| dansmith | it's not just answering questions | 21:52 |
| anteaya | it is a part a large part | 21:52 |
| anteaya | but not the entire thing | 21:52 |
| dansmith | being exposed to the discussion of things is what I mean | 21:52 |
| jaypipes | artom: both. | 21:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, the plan here is simple, specific folks people can reach out to, so they no where to go next | 21:52 |
| anteaya | dansmith: yes that is important too | 21:52 |
| dansmith | we discuss reviews and ping for follow up in irc all the time, and that is extremely valuable | 21:53 |
| artom | As a mostly newbie myself, I feel the second part has been achieved | 21:53 |
| anteaya | agreed | 21:53 |
| tonyb | johnthetubaguy: Well sign me up as a mentee when you find some mentors ... I know I miss stuff in review and want to get better | 21:53 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I am more than happy to participate in the effort. I do not have the bandwidth to lead it though. | 21:53 |
| artom | Understanding the code base is a different matter | 21:53 |
| artom | ;) | 21:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | tonyb: cool, please drop my an email so I reply to it with an answer | 21:53 |
| jaypipes | artom: :) | 21:54 |
| dansmith | IMHO, private mentoring is not very efficient, | 21:54 |
| dansmith | because only one person gets the benefit | 21:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: awesome thanks | 21:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: so the hope is, a starting point, then mostly public disucssion on the nova channel | 21:54 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sdague may be interested in that kind of thing, though I don't know his bandwidth. | 21:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 21:54 |
| dansmith | yeah, it'd be good to just have people jump in and ask questions about their own reviews or others there | 21:54 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:55 |
| dansmith | maybe with someone to target with their first ping | 21:55 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:55 |
| dansmith | but really, it's very often that I'll be nailing bauzas for something, | 21:55 |
| mriedem | i see dansmith pinged plenty at 8am CST | 21:55 |
| dansmith | and other people will jump in and ask | 21:55 |
| * dansmith uses bauzas as the example, jokingly | 21:55 | |
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| bauzas | dansmith: my IRC is always open to you | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, its going to be different for different folks | 21:56 |
| dansmith | bauzas: :) | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | one last thing for this section... | 21:56 |
| * mriedem notes we have 4 minutes | 21:56 | |
| johnthetubaguy | actaully there isn't | 21:56 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | open discussion time I guess | 21:56 |
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| mikal | #topic Open discussion | 21:56 |
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| mikal | We promised jaypipes a thing here | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was reading the PTL description | 21:56 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I'll save the API dicsussion for the summit, I think. | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | and it says I need to find people to answer questions | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:nova/ | 21:57 |
| mriedem | overquota shall henceforth be 713 | 21:57 |
| jaypipes | mikal: it's cool. can do at the summit and ML | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I gave you the link | 21:57 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: lol | 21:57 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: ah, cool, lets add that in the API session, or is there a WG one? | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | API-wg one^ | 21:57 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so, need an Ask Czar ? | 21:57 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: sure, why not | 21:58 |
| mikal | I want to be Sarcasm Czar | 21:58 |
| artom | mikal, pfft, like you're getting that job any time soon. | 21:58 |
| * bauzas notes Frenchs made Revolution War | 21:58 | |
| mikal | ...and we're done? | 21:58 |
| * johnthetubaguy fails to think of a sarcastic comment | 21:58 | |
| sc68cal | Added a new section to the wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Inter-project_Liaisons | 21:58 |
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| dansmith | mikal already is sarcasm czar | 21:58 |
| mikal | dansmith: awww, thanks | 21:58 |
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| sc68cal | I'll use that for my ml-post for the Nova side of the cross project effort | 21:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: we should get you a mug for that or something | 21:59 |
| tonyb | and the insufferable czar | 21:59 |
| * harlowja just dropped a small email, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/063602.html (oops), probably relevant to u guys ;) | 21:59 | |
| dansmith | tonyb: that's me | 21:59 |
| mikal | And we're done? | 21:59 |
| harlowja | comments welcome, idk what to do about that situation | 21:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I'm happy | 21:59 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm1 and i welcome all :-P | 21:59 |
| mikal | We can be sarcastic over in -nova if we need to be | 21:59 |
| dansmith | we're verydone | 21:59 |
| beagles | sc68cal, sorry I missed the pinging .. | 21:59 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| * johnthetubaguy waves good night | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 21:59:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-07-21.01.html | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-07-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-07-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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