Wednesday, 2015-05-13

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JRobinson__APAC-Docs meeting is set to begin in 20 minutes00:41
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JRobinson__The APAC Docs meeting is set to start in a few minutes - are there any objections to starting a bit earlier?00:54
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JRobinson__Let's begin00:56
JRobinson__#startmeeting docteam00:56
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 00:56:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at
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JRobinson__#topic action items from last meeting00:56
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JRobinson__There does not appear to be any additional items from the last meeting00:57
JRobinson__Sam-I-Am, bmoss hello o/00:57
JRobinson__adahms, good morning00:58
bmosshey adahms.00:58
asettleadahms deepti around? :)00:58
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adahmsDeepti is going to be out this morning00:58
pshigeGood morning!00:58
adahmsShe'll be around later in the day if you need to catch up with her on IRC, though00:58
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JRobinson__adahms, thanks for the update :)00:59
JRobinson__Next is kilo tasks00:59
JRobinson__#topic Kilo Tasks00:59
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JRobinson__The RST publishing for Kilo is done, and the rest of the work is underway, the due date is late this week, early next week.01:00
JRobinson__That's all I have to Kilo, any other patches that need attention or questions?01:00
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JRobinson__#topic Docs Specs in Review01:01
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JRobinson__In review, at the moment, are several new and ongoing docs specs.01:02
JRobinson__^This one is Liberty specs for API references, the training guide xml to rst conversion, adding hands on assessments, and a spec for training VM's in the public clouds.01:03
JRobinson__The user guide spec is approved01:03
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JRobinson__in addition to the HA guide spec^01:04
JRobinson__And the last one noted is for API Reference Information^01:05
JRobinson__This type of planning takes effort - well done to the writers for these projects on getting the specification ready.01:05
JRobinson__#topic Specialty team updates01:06
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Sam-I-Ami have a few01:06
JRobinson__One update from the HA guide team: please look at the new spec.01:06
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JRobinson__Install guide go!01:06
JRobinson__Install guide team^update I'm guessing Sam-I-Am ?01:07
Sam-I-Amthe install guide for kilo is pretty much done. a few patches seem to be waiting on packaging issues. most distros haven't released official packages for kilo yet.01:07
Sam-I-Amhowever, this is the most done we've had an install guide at release01:07
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Sam-I-Amwe'd appreciate people testing the install guide01:07
Sam-I-Amespecially after official packages drop... probably in the next week or two01:07
Sam-I-Amalso planning to submit a spec for rst conversion01:08
Sam-I-Amkarin's taking on this task01:08
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Sam-I-Amnext is network guide01:08
JRobinson__#info please test and review the new install guide, especially after the official packages arrive in the next week or two01:09
JRobinson__noted down, how is the networking guide?01:09
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Sam-I-Amphase 1 (scenarios) published for kilo01:09
Sam-I-Amcould use people to review and test them with kilo01:09
Sam-I-Amalso working on presentation for openstack summit01:09
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Sam-I-Ampost-summit, we'll preen the existing scenarios and start working on phase 2, which is intro to networking and neutron config01:10
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Sam-I-Amthat's it01:11
JRobinson__#info Networking Guide test and review is appreciated with Kilo, summit presentation is forthcoming, and phase two work is planned for post summit01:11
JRobinson__thanks Sam-I-Am01:11
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JRobinson__For the Training guides, the team is preparing to publish for Kilo01:12
JRobinson__Similar to the HA Guide, the API docs team would appreciate reviews of the new spec posted earlier^01:12
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JRobinson__For the User Guide team, there is currently a set of reviews underway to solve duplication issues:01:13
JRobinson__these require attention as a priority to avoid any conficts. See the mailing list for more information.01:13
JRobinson__There are no security guide updates this week.01:13
JRobinson__#topic docs tools update01:14
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JRobinson__One update for tools to cover:01:14
JRobinson__#info use 2.1.4 clouddocs-maven-plugin for Kilo01:15
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JRobinson__that's all for now.01:15
JRobinson__#topic Vancouver01:15
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JRobinson__On to the summit, the summit sessions for those attending for following will be up by the end of this week.01:15
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JRobinson__hmm, is that from last meeting/last week? Are the summit sessions up now?01:16
Sam-I-Amthey are01:16
Sam-I-Amthe schedule is up, at least01:16
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JRobinson__good to hear.01:16
Sam-I-Amkeep in mind the openstack summit and liberty design summit are two different things01:16
JRobinson__#info Summit schedule is up01:17
JRobinson__Sam-I-Am, Meeting agenda does not specify the design and liberty sessions.01:17
JRobinson__Any further points on the summit next week?01:18
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JRobinson__#topic APAC Meetups01:19
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JRobinson__adahms, asettle any updates on the APAC openstack meet up for June?01:20
asettleWe were discussing potential for room borrowing at RH to have pizza and summit debrief?01:20
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asettleIs this still possible adahms01:21
adahmsLooking at our upcoming schedule, we are going to be in the thick of it this June / July01:21
adahmsAny chance we can regroup and catch up during the docs swarm in August?01:21
asettleadahms the idea of hte docs swarm is that we have a full on two days01:21
asettleNo chance of anything at the end of may?01:22
asettleif not, no dramas :)01:22
adahmsProbably not, I'm afraid :(01:22
adahmsIt's just that time of year - any time after mid to late July and things will start to slow down a little again01:22
asettleThat's alright. I think those that are available can potentially come to lunch/breakfast with us Rackers when loquacities returns for a summit debrief01:22
asettleYeah totally01:22
adahmsYeah, that'd be cool01:23
asettleJRobinson__ put a note in for future discussion. At the moment it's TBD.01:23
asettlePlease :)01:23
JRobinson__#info Busier schedule in June & July will most likely mean meeting plans will need rescheduling. Formal Meeting plan TBD at the moment.01:23
asettleI'd probably say we'll end up doing something pretty informal01:23
asettleI nearly typed unformal01:23
JRobinson__#info Less formal meeting for APAC contributors is possible for June & July depending on individual schedules.01:24
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asettle*thumbs up* thanks JRobinson__ :D01:24
JRobinson__np :)01:24
JRobinson__Now for the docs swarm01:24
JRobinson__Are there any updates on the meeting scheduling01:24
asettleWe have the dates sorted, suyog sorted that01:25
asettleAnd we have the SME's lined up01:25
asettleAll we need to do now is wait for the date01:25
JRobinson__suyog, asettle good to hear.01:25
asettleI don't think there's much more to discuss, you can probably remove any future content about the docs swarm on tehre01:25
asettleUnless it's a reminder that it's coming up01:25
bmossagreed. We won't have any more details until closer to the time.01:25
JRobinson__#info Dates and location for August Docs Swarm confirmed, SME confirmed, any future notices should be reminders only closer to the date in August.01:26
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asettleGreat, thanks JRobinson__ :)01:26
JRobinson__okay, done and done, next01:26
JRobinson__#topic Meeting time01:26
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JRobinson__So today I miscalculated and started 25 minutes late. For Future APAC meetings, the UTC 00:30 will apply.01:27
JRobinson__Sorry for the timing issues.01:27
JRobinson__Is the new meeting time working though?01:27
adahmsNo problems - thanks for the update01:27
adahmsAll good on my side01:27
adahmsThanks for being so flexible01:28
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bmossworks for me01:28
JRobinson__Meetings are now alternating weeks as well now.01:28
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Sam-I-Amseems fine01:29
JRobinson__And a key topic - The US-timed meeting still need a contributor as a chairperson.01:29
asettleSam-I-Am would you want to do that?01:29
JRobinson__There was some back and forth, briefly, on the mailing list about this point too.01:29
Sam-I-Amuhh, i guess i could as long as the bus isn't late01:30
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Sam-I-Amnot sure why anne cant keep doing it :)01:30
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JRobinson__#info Still need a US based contributor to chair US meetings - contact mailing list01:32
Sam-I-Amso... i guess i can do it for now with the caveat that it might start a little late sometimes01:32
JRobinson__Sam-I-Am, I'll bring it up on the mailing list again since iirc there was a volunteer already - will confirm with them first01:32
Sam-I-Amok, i cant find that thread01:32
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JRobinson__It was in the April 30 What's up doc - looks like Shilla S was discussing it with Lana.01:34
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JRobinson__#Action JRobinson__ to check in with the status of the US Docs IRC chair01:35
JRobinson__I'll ask about it.01:35
Sam-I-Amok, see it now01:35
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JRobinson__if there's no further points, we'll move on01:36
JRobinson__#topic Open Discussion01:37
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bmossWill there be a meeting next week during Summit?01:37
Sam-I-Ami doubt it01:37
bmossor shall we reconvene after summit?01:37
adahmsI am going to have to head off to another meeting all - good talking01:38
Sam-I-Amwe'll probably have an on-site meeting01:38
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Sam-I-Amin a bar01:38
adahmsTalk again at the next catch up :)01:38
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JRobinson__adahms, thanks and see you later o/01:38
bmossSam-I-Am, perfect.  :)01:38
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JRobinson__bmoss, from what I remember meetings suspend while a summit is on.01:38
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JRobinson__Sam-I-Am, is right.01:38
bmossok, cool.  I'll strike it from my calender.01:39
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JRobinson__this is video showing a graphic of the openstack manuals progression^01:39
Sam-I-Amless meeting, mo betta01:39
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bmossJRobinson__, that's way cool01:40
JRobinson__Christian created it with Gource, which is a graphics tool designed to show the evolution of repositories.01:40
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JRobinson__bmoss, I thought it was worth sharing :)01:40
JRobinson__If there's no further points, we'll call it there.01:40
pshigeI became the Ironic project liaison with documentation. Nice to meet you!01:41
Sam-I-Ami think we're good01:41
bmosshi pshige01:41
Sam-I-Amliase well :)01:41
JRobinson__pshige, welcome aboard,01:41
darrenchi pshige01:42
suyoghello, pshige.01:42
pshigeI will attend the cross-project workshop of OpenStack Documentation at least. any other suggestions?01:42
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JRobinson__Thanks everyone, I'll stop the meeting and discussion can continue on or off channel01:43
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suyogThanks, JRobinson__ .01:43
JRobinson__suyog, no problems :)01:43
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JRobinson__pshige, no problems, all the best with the summit if you're attending.01:44
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JRobinson__Heading to another meeting now as well o/01:44
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pshigeAre there cross-project meeting of documentation?14:08
annegentlepshige: I'm confused also, I see it on the calendar, but they held one in the APAC time zone14:09
annegentlepshige: so I guess not14:09
annegentleloquacities: do you know what happened with the meeting schedule and the OpenStack ical feed?14:09
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pshigeannegentle: thanks!14:13
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annegentlepshige: great to see you liaising and all :)14:14
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pshigeannegentle: sure! I will be there!14:19
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 15:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at
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BobBallAnyone here?15:00
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy and I have agreed the best plan for this meeting is actually to meet up in Vancouver15:01
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BobBallGiven that it's next week15:01
* johnthetubaguy lets have a beer15:01
BobBallSo - as a suggestion - anyone reading the logs please email me at bob.ball@citrix.com15:01
BobBalland I'll make sure that you're included in the plan for the meeting next week.15:02
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BobBallProbably on Wednesday next week - so see you there.15:02
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BobBallI think that's all to say johnthetubaguy unless you have anything urgent?15:02
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johnthetubaguyI am good, thanks.15:02
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BobBallVery short one then!15:03
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thingee#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at
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thingeeHi everyone!16:00
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thingeeWell my laptop decided to just not work at this convenient time. Reporting from my phone.16:00
thingeeYay technology.16:01
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smcginnisNot another summit without a laptop. :)16:01
thingeeUsually I start with announcements but I'll do those last, hopefully once my laptop is working.16:01
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jungleboyjthingee: Summits are bad for your laptop.16:01
DuncanTHP do some nice tablets....16:01
SwansonI prefer Dells.16:02
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thingeeLet's start with the first agenda item for the liberty mid cycle meet up.16:02
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jungleboyjSwanson: Thinkpads all the way!16:02
thingee#topic liberty mid cycle meetup results16:02
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thingeeDuncanT: hi16:02
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DuncanTSurvey says: Dates are nearly tied, with a slight preference for the earlier date16:02
thingeejgriffith: lol16:02
vilobhmm1hello all16:02
DuncanTLocation is also nearly tied, FC wins by two votes16:03
asselinwere are the results?16:03
smcginnisDuncanT: How many times did you vote. ;)16:03
DuncanTsmcginnis: zero16:03
rhedlindwhat about wifi? :)16:04
jungleboyjrhedlind: :-p16:04
smcginnisrhedlind: We know it works in FC at least.16:04
DuncanTasselin: I'll post them up to a spreadsheet later, I don't seem to be able to just make them public16:04
hemnawhere are the results ?16:04
DuncanTWifi is apparently either very important, not funny or a reason for tears16:04
asselinDuncanT, how about openstack paste?16:04
DuncanTasselin: Working on it16:05
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jungleboyjJennifer was glad to see you hadn't forgotten she couldn't get the wireless working.16:05
vilobhmm1where r the results ? are we planning to have hangout sessions or some remote video conf session for people who will be remote and can't make it16:05
jungleboyjDuncanT: There was one vote that it wasn't required.16:05
* thingee has his laptop back16:06
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jungleboyjvilobhmm1: I am sure we will do Hangout again.16:06
jungleboyjthingee: Yay!16:06
vilobhmm1that that everyone can learn and contribute16:06
DuncanTjungleboyj: Two people say we should abuse your phone bill again16:06
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thingee#action DuncanT will post results and link to it from the original OpenStack dev ML post16:06
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scottdaSo when will a decision be made? Do we need to look at the survey first?16:07
thingeeok great so Fort Collins, and aug 3-5?16:07
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jungleboyjDuncanT: +216:07
winston-dand no wifi, no beer? ;)16:07
scottdaThere was a query on the etherpad for extending an extra day.16:07
thingeescottda: that was me16:07
jungleboyjwinston-d:  Bite your tongue!  There must be beer!16:07
adurbin_+1 on an extra day16:08
hemnawait, hold beer?16:08
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smcginnisthingee: Optional extra day would be nice.16:08
thingeeI thought it would be great if just like at the summit, we had a day for sprints16:08
scottdaIt's fine from a standpoint of hosting to extend to Aug 6th.16:08
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thingeewhile we're all motivated after discussions16:08
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scottdaDon't spread rumours about running out of beer. That will not be a problem.16:08
thingeeI think the only person that couldn't make the early date was jungleboyj \16:08
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jungleboyjTo be clear, are we going to do like we did in the past where Monday is a day to travel and the real action is 4,5,6 and maybe 7?16:09
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smcginnisI like that plan.16:09
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scottda+1 to 4-6 plus maybe 7th16:09
thingeejungleboyj: +116:09
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jungleboyjOk, that helps.  Hopefully we can get the girl watching my boys to do one over night so I can fly out Monday.16:10
hemnaisn't Friday a fishing day in Fort Collins ?16:10
adurbin_jungleboyj: +116:10
scottdaEvery day is a fishing day16:10
jungleboyjWorst case scenario I will have to come in on Tuesday.16:10
rhedlindscottda: +116:10
thingeeok so sounds like people are fine with these dates?16:11
hemnascottda, +116:11
thingeeand location16:11
thingeeassuming we have someone who can host in the area again16:11
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hemnaso who is hosting in Fort Collins ?16:11
jungleboyjthingee: I will make it work.16:11
scottdaI've planned on it16:11
scottdahosting, that is16:11
rhedlindNew Belgium brewery?16:11
ameadelol shouldn't that have been the first question?16:11
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scottdaI've got a room booked already16:11
hemnascottda, sweet16:11
thingeescottda: ha16:12
jgriffithscottda: we can arm wrestle over it :)16:12
ameadewhy not hawaii then we'll find someone to host?16:12
hemnaameade, +A16:12
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thingeeameade: not sure if jgriffith can surf.16:12
scottdajgriffith: You want to host in Boulder?16:12
scottdaOR in Fort Collins?16:12
jgriffiththingee: as a matter of fact, I used to surf quite a bit :)16:12
thingeewhoa cool16:13
jgriffithscottda: I'd love to be able to offer something up, but HP in FTC is a way better setup16:13
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thingeejgriffith: you do have great divide where you're at..16:13
thingeesort of close16:13
scottdaOK. I'm not trying to hog the hosting.16:13
jgriffithscottda: was thinking Boulder would be nice/different and still close, but we don't have the same facilities you do16:13
jgriffithscottda: I was kidding, I think you did a great job last time and we'd be stupid not to take advantage of you again :)16:13
jungleboyjjgriffith: ++16:14
* scottda likes to be taken advantage of, but that's a different story....16:14
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thingeescottda: yeah I was happy with the HP's hosting last time. Good location16:14
jgriffithand we had network!16:14
thingeejgriffith: +1000016:14
* jungleboyj sighs16:14
thingeeok great. so this seems like we're fine. hosting details seem to be in the works16:14
* jungleboyj starts looking into wifi jammers. ;-)16:14
akerrcruise ships have wifi16:14
scottdaOk, I'll post up more details on the etherpad, and I'll book blocks of rooms at HP discount at local hotels this time.16:14
jungleboyjscottda: ++16:15
smcginnisWe can put jgriffith's horse barn as a backup plan. :P16:15
jungleboyjSo should we plan to stay through Friday?16:15
jgriffithsmcginnis: oh yeah, good point16:15
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hemnawork through Friday ?16:15
hemnaFriday is a hackathon day ?16:15
* DuncanT might not be able to stay friday :-(16:15
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thingeesmcginnis: I was hoping I would find an airbnb for jgriffith's farm. Just like a clean lump of hay in the barm or something16:15
jgriffithfull week might be a bit of a burden for some folks16:16
smcginnisthingee: Hah!16:16
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thingeehemna: yes sprints16:16
thingeehemna: I hate hackathon now. :P16:16
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hemnasprints is the new hackathon ?16:16
thingeejgriffith: the friday is completely optional16:16
hemnaman I'm so behind in my vernacular16:16
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jungleboyjwinston-d: ++16:16
jgriffiththingee: cool... I get it16:16
hemnawinston-d, fish-a-thon16:16
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hemnayou guys can work, I'm hitting the river....16:17
thingeehemna: :)16:17
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thingee#agreed Fort Collins Aug 4-6. 7th is optional sprints16:17
thingee#action thingee announce to the OpenStack Dev ML16:18
thingee#topic Social Monday Night at the summit16:18
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thingeejgriffith brought this up from the ML today. Are we interested in having our own get together?16:19
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vilobhmm1at the summit yes +216:19
jungleboyjthingee: +1  Especially if there is nothing else going on.16:19
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hemnano OS parties Monday night ?16:19
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thingeeand if so, who can have their resources do planning/reservations? I'm spent for summit planning.16:20
e0nehemna: everybody wait for Tuesday's party:)16:20
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thingeegot quiet16:21
cebrunsWho has the biggest hotel room?  :)16:21
smcginnisJust everyone grab some 40's and meet down by the harbor. ;)16:21
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adurbin_thingee: +1 on monday night social16:21
jungleboyjsmcginnis: That sounds like fun.16:22
DuncanT+1 on the idea, I can't vollenteer to org rhough16:22
DuncanTI remember a good microbrewery in the gaslight district, can't remember the name though16:22
jungleboyjHow many people are we talking?16:22
e0neinderesting idea, something new  for me, so I +1 on it16:22
scottdaMaybe an etherpad to get a head count, post location, etc?16:23
jungleboyjscottda: Not a bad idea.16:23
smcginnisThat would work.16:23
thingeescottda: someone mentioned16:23
vilobhmm1scottda : good idea!16:23
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thingeemaybe we can do that after count.16:23
thingeejust was hoping someone would spearhead this16:24
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adurbin_what is the estimated group size looking like?16:25
thingeespearheading does not mean you're paying. If vendors want to sponsor this event, that's cool. I guess I sort of saw this as us hanging out and catching up before the summit. Like we did at the last midcycle16:25
jungleboyjthingee: ++16:25
* DuncanT can look for a venue on sat eve once I'm there if needed16:25
scottdaI'll count up the people and try to book a room or something at a local pub16:26
thingeescottda: cool16:26
scottdaMaybe I can work with Duncan16:26
jungleboyjscottda: Thanks!16:26
scottdasure. Beer motivates me, if you couldn't already tell.16:26
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thingeeI think people all have their own expenses they can tap from. Maybe some people will buy rounds depending on group size.16:26
jungleboyjJust got this as one possible idea:
thingeeSo people post ideas of places we can reserve to the etherpad16:27
jungleboyjWill do.16:27
asselinI think there's an hp gathering going on monday night16:27
thingeeasselin: meet us after? :)16:27
rhedlindasselin: can we crash it?16:28
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thingee#topic announcements16:28
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thingee#idea New drivers for Liberty need to be in by June 19th with CI.16:28
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thingeeI guess that's more of a topic, but this sticks to our previous planning in previous releases16:29
thingeequestions? comments? concerns?16:29
xyang1thingee: 6/19 is the merge date?16:29
jungleboyjthingee: I had someone asking about that earlier and that was about what I had estimaed.16:29
thingeexyang1: yes needs to be merged.16:30
thingeeanyone opposed to the date?16:30
xyang1thingee: Is there a driver code submission deadline?16:31
winston-dIs that a deadline for brand new drivers, or for feature implementation of existing drivers as well?16:31
hemnaso just to be clear, in order to +A a driver, it has to have CI working and reporting on the driver patch itself right ?16:31
e0nethingee: could big queue in zuul be an issue for it before L-1 deadline?16:31
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jgriffiththingee: I'm not sure TBH16:31
thingeehemna: yes16:31
hemnathingee, ok good.  that's what I was hoping.16:31
jgriffiththingee: I'd also really like to figure out what we're doing going forward16:31
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jgriffiththingee: IMHO having 50+ drivers in Cinder is not going to be sustainable16:32
thingeee0ne: definitely. so owners to the patches shouldn't wait16:32
hemnajgriffith, well, I think that can be a separate topic, but until we find a viable solution, we should stick to this no?16:32
jgriffiththingee: if you look at the stats on patches/bugs/review queue right now it's already greater than 85% drivers16:32
thingeejgriffith: agreed. I actually forgot about the talks about out of tree for the summit.16:32
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thingeejgriffith: but I didn't have time to review previous spec on the idea when neutron did it.16:32
jgriffithhemna: my point is we have talks planned at the summit so why make a decision now?16:32
jgriffithhemna: thingee I guess it doesn't hurt16:33
hemnasure, I think the only decision at this point is to stick to the existing plan.16:33
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jgriffithhemna: fair enough16:33
e0nethingee: do you have any plans to make current 3rd party CIs more effective?16:33
thingeejgriffith: I wanted something in the air now, so there is time for people to make arrangements. I agree we should have something planned at the summit to discuss this16:33
jungleboyjhemna: +116:33
e0nee.g. Oracle CI voted on my patch after about 4 days when it posted16:34
jungleboyjGood topic after a couple of beers.  :-)16:34
jgriffiththingee: that makes sense16:34
asseline0ne, there's quite a few infras sessions to get and common openstack ci solution scheduled16:34
hemnae0ne, doh16:34
jgriffithe0ne: I'm more concerned with stats for those that regularly vote16:34
e0nejgriffith: +116:34
jgriffithe0ne: by stats I mean false fail rate16:34
jgriffithe0ne: thingee I'm trying to figure out how to get radar to work and make it a req16:35
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thingeejgriffith: how about I announce that we're looking at this being the date, but we'll have a final decision at the summit?16:35
jgriffithbut node is being a PITA for me... maybe we should look at patrickeast 's solution16:35
DuncanTjgriffith: How about a cinder-drivers repo with a more open (larger) core?16:35
jgriffiththingee: I think that's great16:35
jgriffithDuncanT: yeah, I mean hell... if we have a repo for brick WTF not?16:35
e0nejgriffith: we need to try get a list of requirements to CI. maybe on Friday at Summit?16:35
thingeexyang1: do you mind proof reading my announcement to make sure it's clear? :)16:35
jgriffitherr... WTH (why the heck)16:35
xyang1thingee: Sure16:36
thingeeI think I had more questions from you on the announcement for Kilo, so your feedback would be great.16:36
DuncanTjgriffith: repos are cheap... it seems better than totally out-of-tree16:36
xyang1thingee: Ok16:36
jgriffithDuncanT: dont' disagree, need some thought/discussion though IMO which we have slated for Summit16:36
smcginnisDuncanT: +116:36
jungleboyjDuncanT: +116:36
hemnaDuncanT, I'm not clear what that buys us really.16:36
jgriffithhemna: let's people like me ignore that repo :)16:37
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thingee#agreed Final decision for drivers to be submitted in Liberty will be decided at the summit. So far June 19th is a possible date16:37
jgriffithhemna: seriously though... it doesn't buy a ton16:37
hemnajgriffith, can't you ignore reviews in volume/drivers now ?16:37
DuncanThemna: We can have more people with +2 on that repo than cinder core16:37
thingee#action thingee will announce June 19th as being a possible date, and the arrangements for discussion at the summit16:37
e0neDuncanT: do you have any feedback about out-of-tree drivers from nuetron?16:37
DuncanThemna: Essentially encourage people to review each other's drivers16:37
hemnaanyway, just thinking out loud sorry.16:38
asselinthere's some disucssions going on in Nova about splitting core responsibilities...I think there's a session scheduled for it16:38
thingeeSo other announcements.. Cinder specs!16:38
thingeekeep on reviewing.16:38
DuncanTe0ne: Neutron is a mess re code quality and functional consistency16:38
jgriffithwe can save it for the summit, but I'd like to come up with a way to incentivize more "community" participation16:38
thingeepatrickeast just posted a generic image caching spec
thingeeplease to be reviewing ^^16:38
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thingeejgriffith also needs feedback before the summit on replication v2 spec
thingeealso to be reviewing ^^16:39
jgriffiththingee: while you're asking :)16:40
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thingeejgriffith: ah yes, I have a vm waiting for me to test that16:40
thingeesaw your message when I was already reading in bed :)16:40
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asselinCross-project: in-team scaling link ^^16:41
thingeewe also have a fish bowl session at the summit for discussing Volume performance and Health collection from backends16:41
thingeeneed vendors to give feedback to help adurbin_ with the session16:42
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thingeedon't wait until the session please.16:42
hemnaok I'll check it out16:42
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thingeeok, so next up16:43
thingeeremoving v116:43
thingeeI have the patch up. it fails everything16:43
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thingeethere are a lot of little areas here and there on different projects that are doing weird things are default to v116:43
hemnaship it!16:43
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thingeeI'm looking for people to help me on getting things ready in other projects16:44
thingeelike heat, nova, etc16:44
thingeeopenstack client16:44
adurbin_thingee: sorry, I stepped out for a second16:44
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e0nethingee: what about version descovering in cinderclient?16:44
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thingeee0ne: it's shipped16:44
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e0nethingee: great!16:44
adurbin_thingee: I have some ammendments to make to, i'll try to get them up this week16:44
thingeeso if anyone wants to help me with the v1 removal effort, please contact me16:45
e0nethingee: i'll ping you:)16:45
thingeeother great news, cinder is now using os-brick!16:45
thingeeyay hemna !16:45
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thingeehemna: got the nova patch handy?16:46
thingeeto switch it to os-brick?16:46
hemnathat's my WIP nova patch16:46
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thingeehemna: what's the plan so far?16:46
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hemnathere are some os-brick patches I'd like to see land16:46
thingeehemna: when do we expect this to be ready for review/testing16:46
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hemnaI was hoping to get it done before Vancouver16:47
hemnabut I'm running out of time16:47
patrickeastdoes this mean we should have our ci systems start testing os-brick changes?16:47
e0nehemna: do you have some kind of roadmap/blueprints/etc?16:47
asselinpatrickeast, +116:47
hemnae0ne, not yet16:47
thingeepatrickeast: hemna and I were going to have a discussion about os-brick testing16:47
thingeenever happened16:47
hemnapatrickeast, asselin and I have started thinking about CI'ing os-brick patches16:47
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hemnabasically we need every os-brick patch to kick off cinder 3rd party CI tests as well16:47
jgriffithpatrickeast: oh crap, really?16:48
hemnamaking sure we aren't breaking cinder16:48
jgriffithpatrickeast: that's a side effect I didn't think of16:48
patrickeastits easy enough to add it as a project to watch in zuul16:48
thingeejgriffith: sort of simple16:48
jgriffithok, can I just say that's kind of crazy IMO16:48
jgriffithCI brick and Cinder?16:48
hemnamaking sure we don't break things ?16:49
e0nehemna: at least, it would be great to run tempest over the each brick patch16:49
patrickeasti guess the alternative is to wait for the cinder changes where we rev the brick version, right?16:49
jgriffithhemna: ineffeciency16:49
jgriffithpatrickeast: yeah, but that's probably not a great option :)16:49
DuncanTAll of the brick code used to be in cinder, so there shouldn't be a significant change in the number of changes...16:49
jgriffithhemna: what ROC do you expect to see in the lib?16:49
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hemnaROC ?16:49
jgriffithit should be minimal right?  Otherwise it shouldn't be a lib16:49
jungleboyjRate of Change16:50
DuncanTrate of change16:50
jgriffithRate Of Change16:50
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hemnait shouldn't be changing much16:50
smcginnisWouldn't that entail that we (our CIs) would need to pull down Cinder master and brick patch to test it.16:50
* jungleboyj Heard it come out in harmony16:50
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hemnathere is a bit of changes we need to add to it, due to features that made it into Nova that didn't get into Cinder16:50
smcginnisThat's not a trivial change from how it works right now.16:50
thingeeDuncanT raises a good point. The change would've been triggered in the Cinder project. The change is just in a different project, so it's not really adding more to CI's16:50
jgriffithhemna: thingee so actually this is a non-issue16:50
thingeeit's just you have another project to watch16:50
hemnaThere are a few bugs I filed about those, but after that, the ROC shouldn't be much at all IMHO16:50
e0nesmcginnis: need to take a look how oslo libs are tested16:50
jgriffithhemna: thingee rules for upgrading brick in Cinder are just like any other req lib16:50
jgriffithhemna: thingee needs a patch to reqs file16:51
smcginnise0ne: True. I would see this as the same.16:51
jgriffithyou try and update Cinder, shit fails, you fail the merge/patch16:51
e0nesmcginnis: because cinder and nova will use brick not from master16:51
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jgriffithe0ne: exactly16:51
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hemnasorrison, we need to pin the requirements.txt to a specific version then ?16:51
thingeejgriffith: finding what broke when updating requirements is cinder will be fun16:52
thingeegit bisect16:52
jgriffithhemna: well, yeah.16:52
hemnaright now it's open to any version.16:52
e0neand that's why devstack installs it from pypi, not from git master16:52
hemnaglobal-requirements.txt just says 'os-brick'16:52
hemnano versioning16:52
thingeehemna: we can change that16:52
jgriffiththingee: no different than oslo, keystone and the giant list of libs we have currently16:52
thingeejgriffith: true16:52
hemnathingee, yah I think we should16:52
jgriffithhemna: well that's the first patch brick needs then16:52
e0nehemna: it doesn't metter while we have only one release16:52
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jgriffithhemna: you can't have an externallib with no versioning16:52
hemnajgriffith, yup.16:53
hemnajgriffith, should add that today.16:53
thingeeok last announcement...16:53
jgriffithhemna: cool16:53
thingeeLVM thin type16:53
winston-dhemna: I asked that earlier in your patch adding os-brick to requirements.txt16:53
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hemnawinston-d, we are ok right now.  we only have 1 release of os-brick in pypi, with nothing planned in the short term.  we can update global-requirements to pin it to 0.1.0 for now and then update cinder.16:54
thingeejgriffith is adding this option to devstack, add an experimental gate job16:54
winston-dhemna: cool16:54
thingeejgriffith: what improvements do you see this bringing to gate?16:55
jgriffithhemna: we'll have to figure out that stuff later I think16:55
jgriffiththingee: LVMThin?16:55
hemnajgriffith, yah16:55
jgriffiththingee: it's better16:55
jgriffiththingee: faster16:55
jgriffithbetter snaps etc16:55
e0neand it works! :)16:56
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jgriffithand ideally I'd like to see it made the default for Cinder in the future16:56
thingee#idea LVM Thin experimental job in gate. Better, Faster, Stronger.16:56
jgriffiththingee: main thing is we keep piling in options and we don't test them16:56
jgriffithwe either need to remove options, or test them propertly IMO16:56
jgriffithand probably a little of both16:56
jgriffiththingee: LOL16:56
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thingeethose are the reviews. interested folks, please show support ^16:57
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e0ne3 minutes reminder16:57
hemnathingee, jgriffith e0ne
thingee#topic open discussion16:57
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cebrunsHave the fishbowl and working sessions been given timeslots in Vancouver?16:58
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thingeecebruns: yes16:58
cebrunsOk - I looked for them but didn't see 'em in the schedule. Is there a link?16:59
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cebrunsthingee: Thanks!16:59
thingeefwiw, work session topic in most of those names is on purpose.17:00
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tjones1hi anyone around today?17:02
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tjones1hi thangp - gonna be another short meeting if just you and me :-)17:03
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thangplast one before summit17:04
tjones1going to vancouver next week?17:04
tjones1me too17:04
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thangpwill see you there :)17:04
thangpis there a vmware nova session?17:04
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tjones1yes that will be nice.  i don't think they are doing driver specific sessions any more17:05
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tjones1just unconferences for BP that need discussion17:05
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thangpok :/17:06
tjones1did you have any topics you wanted to discuss today?17:06
thangpnot from me17:06
tjones1do you have any things that you want to get into the vmwareapi driver for liberty?17:07
thangpjust my swap feature (which i need to rebase)17:08
thangpi have a bunch of cinder work to do for liberty, so i wont be much help with vmware in liberty17:08
thangptjones1: correct17:08
tjones1ok well lets take back the rest of our hour then.  thanks and see you next week17:09
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notmynameswift team meeting time19:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?19:00
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mattoliverautdasilva: yay, your back!19:01
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hotdasilva: welcome back!19:01
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notmynametdasilva: I hope the family is doing well :-)19:01
tdasilvafamily is great19:01
notmynamegood to hear19:01
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tdasilvaeveryone is doing is growing and healthy19:02
notmynamewe'll miss you next week, but I suppose "new baby" is an acceptable excuse ;-)19:02
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notmynamespeaking of next week, that's the main thing to talk about today19:02
mattoliveraulol, but by next summit, baby must be a swift contributor :P19:02
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kota_hi, sorry be late a bit19:02
tdasilvamattoliverau: lol19:02
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notmyname#topic summit prep19:03
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notmynameso, scheduling first19:03
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notmynamethat's the swift design summit stuff19:03
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notmynameand this is the full summit schedule19:03
notmyname#link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org19:03
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notmynameit has conference and design stuff on it, so it's your one place to look next week19:04
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notmynamethat being said, there's actually one slot left over for Swift right now!19:04
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notmynamenot that we dont' have stuff to talk about, but it seems I didn't take good enough notes for the last work session talk19:05
notmynameso this is for the 4:30 slot on wednesday19:05
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notmynamethere's the etherpad19:05
notmynameso what's the topic that needs to be discussed in the last work session on wednesday?19:05
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notmynamefast post? undelete? sysmeta? ec test results?19:06
notmynameI'm not sure what to put there. please help :-)19:06
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gvernikec test results?19:07
acolesnotmyname: we have time on friday for 'leftovers' correct?19:07
notmynamegvernik: we already have a fishbowl and a work session for EC stuff (overview and follow-on work). but several of us have been doing some tests locally and could share19:07
notmynameacoles: yes19:07
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notmynamegvernik: ie instead of on friday or during hallway conversations19:08
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gverniki would love to hear test results on ec...don't care on which slot or day :)19:09
acolesnotmyname: i'd be happy to lead a working session on fast post but feel i have talked a lot about it at hackathon19:09
notmynameacoles: IIRC the summary was that there isn't a ton to talk about. more just need to actually type it in and review the code19:09
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acolesnotmyname: its typed - modulo post EC conflicts, so yeah review would be great19:10
notmynameyeah, we could do that. fast-post code review19:11
acolesi hope to get the reviews back in shape before next week19:11
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acolesnotmyname: so i am wondering if friday is best for that?19:11
notmynamewhat do the rest of you think?19:11
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acolesdo we have symlinks scheduled in a session?19:11
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hoI think "Sync up on related policy change working sessionsType" is a good candidate.19:12
notmynamegood grief. 5 +1s on there and nothing has landed?! ;-)19:12
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notmynameho: that's not a bad idea. and it includes symlink talk19:14
notmyname(peluse is not here right now)19:14
notmynameacoles: what do you think?19:14
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notmynameand since acoles and ho are the only one's talking, then it looks like they get to set the topic ;-)19:15
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mattoliverauyeah, start with symlink and can push what we don't get to into friday19:15
acolesyea, agree,19:15
jrichliso, I am just gonna through this out there.  I was wondering if you all were interested in talking about what had to be changed to fix SL issues
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notmynameok "Sync up on related policy changes" is a good one19:16
notmynamejrichli: you should probably ask someone at IBM what they want to share :-)19:16
jrichliAlan would like to share, i think19:17
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jrichliI talked with him yesterday.  but he thought all the schedule had been set.19:17
notmynameah? well that could be interesting then19:17
notmynameacoles: mattoliverau: ho: what do you think?19:17
notmynamean "ops war story"19:17
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acolesnotmyname: agree, sync on policy changes for working session, fast-post for enthusiasts on friday19:18
notmynameacoles: instead of the softlayer ops story?19:18
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acolesah, i answered the wrong question :)19:18
notmynameI'd prefer to hear from softlayer if they are willing to share. if not then do the other one19:18
jrichliajiang will be on in a min if you wanna chat with him about a work session19:19
notmynamethe other one == Sync up on related policy changes19:19
acolescould the SL story be shared during the ops session, will it need its won session?19:19
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notmynameand there is ajiang :-)19:19
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jrichliyou had told me that you might have some info to share on the SL issues, right?19:20
notmynameajiang: current topic being discussed is if softlayer shares about their recent swift issues and solutions, and if that should be a whole session or not19:20
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ajiangJanie told me there may be a chance for me to talk about the experience of SL swift cluster latency issue.19:20
notmynameajiang: we've got one currently unscheduled working session19:20
jrichliajiang: it would be wed at 4:30 for 40 mins19:21
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notmynameajiang: so first question for you: are you willing/able to share?19:21
ajiang@notmyname, that sounds good. The topic I would like to cover will be the analysis work I have done with Replicator/object server load and latency19:22
notmynameacoles: do you not think it should be its own thing?19:22
ajiangI think there are rooms for improvement on the object server/replicator i/o subsystem.19:22
notmynamethat sounds interesting to me19:22
acolesi just wasn't sure how much content there would be but its sounding like there's plenty19:22
notmynameajiang: to put it mildly ;-)19:22
notmynamecool. anyone opposed to that topic?19:23
mattoliverausounds like SL will be our last working session :)19:23
acolesnotmyname: +1 at summit i would favor things that are hard to do on gerrit ;)19:23
hosounds good19:23
ajiangBased on the data I have, i can cover that 40 minutes with this one topic19:23
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notmynameajiang: thanks19:24
ajiangthank you guys19:24
notmynameajiang: please find me online or email for a more complete description19:25
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notmynameok, let's move on in the meeting then19:25
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notmynameis there anything that anyone needs to get ready for the summit?19:25
notmynameplease don't hesitate to ask19:25
notmynameI know for some it's your first OpenStack Summit. for others it's your 12th19:26
scotticusmy 4th. :)19:26
notmynameany logisitics issues, any scheduling, any "I'm giving a talk and don't know what to do". please feel free to ask19:26
scotticuswhen presenting...what hookups should we anticipate there being?19:27
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scotticusHDMI? DVI? VGA?19:27
scotticusasking the hard questions19:27
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notmynamescotticus: generally VGA and maybe HDMI. normally I either use HDMI or a VGA adaptor19:27
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notmynamescotticus: also, the screens are normally 16:9 aspect ratio19:28
scotticusk, trying to think if i should leave my laptop at home :)19:28
notmynamehere's a fun trivia fact: this coming Sunday, May 17, is Swift's 5th birthday!19:28
notmyname5 years ago Swift first went into prod at rackspace19:28
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notmynameon sunday night in vancouver, we (swiftstack) are hosting a small get-together of swift contributors and operators.19:29
notmynameI set up 40 tickets yesterday, and it looks like there are 8 left now :-)19:29
notmynameso feel free to come. should be small and casual and fun seeing other swift people19:30
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notmyname(but please rsvp if you are coming. I want the right amount of food, and the venue isn't terribly big)19:30
kota_great :)19:30
notmynameanything else from anyone on the summit next week?19:30
mattoliverauGot my ticket, I'll be the jetlagged Aussie in the corner :P19:31
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notmynamethis is a nice summit because it's in my same timezone!19:31
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notmynameok, if nothing else on the summit...19:31
mattoliverauNext one (japan) would be better for me :)19:32
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notmyname#topic open discussion19:32
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notmynameone thing I want to start being better about (after summit/summit prep) is how many specs we have19:32
kota_mattoliverau: exactly19:32
notmynameseems that we've got a lot out there, some with a lot of reviews19:32
notmynameremember that specs are living documents. if you agree on something, land it! then edit it later as needed19:33
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notmynamespecs are not documentation19:33
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notmynameI'll get back on the starred/priority reviews again after the summit, and I have some ideas on how to tackle some of the bug triage19:34
notmynamealso, because of the summit, no meeting next week19:34
clayg"TBD" and "This should work" and "Also need to consider XYZ" are better than to much design up front19:34
notmynameclayg: +119:34
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notmynameso what else is on your mind? what else do you want to bring up this week?19:35
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mattoliverauI think we need to make the landed specs more visible, as atm the specs in review stand out. once that have landed aren't.. but that might just be me, and always having the dash boards up.19:35
notmynamethere's only 2 there (at the top)19:36
notmyname12 on the dashboard19:36
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notmyname(that should be reversed IMO)19:36
acolesis there any way to auto link to a spec from a code review (like Reletaed-Spec) - i haven't found it? that would be useful19:36
notmynameacoles: good question. I don't know19:36
acolesRelated-Spec would be even better ;)19:36
notmynameI'll ask the gerrit experts (ie -infra)19:37
acolesand then - if the dashboard could group code reviews with related specs, that would be cool19:37
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acolesnotmyname: thx19:37
notmynameacoles: and also make me lunch. and a pony!19:38
mattoliverauwant to add the specs link to the swift topic, or would that make it too long.19:38
notmynamemattoliverau: I can do that. (also you can too, actually)19:38
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acolesnotmyname: awww, we should have used the last working session for that ;)19:38
* mattoliverau needs to learn this irc thing :P19:38
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notmynameacoles: I've wanted a unified code review + ideas + bug tool. haven't found one19:39
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notmynameanything else to bring up?19:39
acolesnotmyname: post-its?19:39
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notmynameok, if nothing else, then let's call it19:40
notmynamethanks for coming this week. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Canada!19:40
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sarob#startmeeting product-team23:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 23:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'product_team'23:00
sarobroll call23:00
barrettCarol here23:00
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ShamailGood afternoon all.  Last meeting before our F2F!23:01
sarobhello hello23:01
rolandchanMorning all!23:01
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sarob#topic xcross project review review23:02
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sarobtake it away barrett23:03
barrettWe had a slot on the cross-project agenda yesterday23:03
barrettShamail kicked off the session, outlined the source of the content and how it was being used23:03
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barrettAsked the PTLs to review the content and put comments in the doc23:03
barrett#link   §
barrett  o   Lots of good discussion, more than the previous session23:04
barrettThink that's a good sign! Discussion on timing for establishing priorities &  design summit timing23:04
barrettDiscussion around Developer Roadmap vs Operators Roadmap23:04
barrettPTLs don’t want to me middle man trying to define priorities and align developers  - happy to have help there23:05
barrettThe PTLs are using the term SIG to refer to Win The Enterprise, Telco and other Work Groups. They see value in having us consolidate the input and do 1st level analysis on commonality, cross project, where specs are needed, etc.23:05
barrettThierry was supportive and sees eventually the content he’s publishing on what’s in flight for a release being replaced by roadmap23:05
ShamailSIG = Special Interest Group23:05
sarobbarrett: cool23:05
barrettShamail - Thanks23:06
ShamailLog from the xproj session23:06
barrettThey gave us helpful links where we could get info to cross-check what we have on the roadmap23:06
barrettThe next steps are:23:06
barrett   Get feedback from Operators and Sigs at the Summit23:06
barrett  Develop work flow and timeline for gathering feedback23:07
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barrett Ideally, draft a process for setting priorities23:07
barrettThen bring that back to a cross-project meeting for another round of discussion and feedback23:07
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barrettWe did mention that the Board is looking to us to produce a roadmap for Tokyo23:07
sarobRockyg: \o23:08
barrettHi Rocky23:08
Rockyghey all!23:08
RockygTokyo will be interesting23:08
sarobgood breakdown in the slides23:08
barrettThink that's all from the meeting. Shamail - Anything to add?23:08
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ShamailI think that captures it, a few points that stuck out to me:23:08
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ShamailDisclaimer is needed since teams feel uncomfortable using the term roadmap since it feels like commitment23:09
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ShamailWe still need to work on separating our work from just aggregating to also how we will help engineering wise23:09
ShamailBut all in all, positive meeting.  Seems like people think we are on the right track23:10
sarobvery exciting23:10
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sarobnow that we have a start23:10
Shamailbarrett: did anyone commit to being at the roadmap session?  I forget23:11
sarobit should attract more dev mgr, and product people23:11
Shamailsarob: +123:11
barrettShamail - Yes, the Docs PTL committed and I've gotten a couple of others in email23:11
barrettIdeally we'll have at least 323:11
sarobthats a start23:11
barrettShamail +123:11
RockygI think Doug Hellmann was interested, but can't remember if he was double booked.  Thierry and Sean Dague are double booked.23:12
barrettRockyg: I don't recall either. Can someone reach out to Doug?23:12
sarobyeah, monday is bad23:13
saroblots of overlap23:13
ShamailMonday + Tuesday are bad. :)23:13
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barrettit'll be a long week!23:13
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RockygI will.  Doug, Anne and the Horizon guys are *very* interested because they have to predict all the projects as they provide services to them23:14
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ShamailAnd Doug could use some Dev love on Oslo23:14
sarobI am thinking of being 40 late to the first product working session23:14
sarobbecause i supposed to be part of the defcore panel23:15
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Shamailsarob: we might miss each other.  I have to miss the cross project session for PWG.23:15
barrettSarob: I can kick off the session. I passed on the DefCore panel to make this session.23:16
ShamailDidn't want to type Product WG23:16
ShamailI'll help too Barrett... I cleared my conflict for the first session.23:16
sarobbarrett: im on the panel, so i figure i should show up23:17
barrettShamail: Great!23:17
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sarobthanks people23:18
ShamailThis is a goof segue to a topic we need to discuss later in the agenda.  Interest in additional "unofficial" meet-up later in the week.  We can discuss that when the time comes.23:18
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sarobwe will be starting off focusing on the data collected anyway, right?23:18
barrettSarob: Yes23:18
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sarob#topic session content and speaker plans23:19
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sarobsegue to this instead?23:19
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ShamailThe content review is well under way and I will actually be working on the the polished deck tonight.  We have a review scheduled for tomorrow at 10A PT. (Mscohen will send link).23:19
ShamailI will also be gluing together slides for session #2 (which has changed objectives again)23:20
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sarobshamail: for which session23:20
sarob11:15 monday23:20
ShamailThe first comment was for Session 1 (Monday 11;15)23:20
sarobor 11:15 tuesday23:20
ShamailSecond comment was the Tuesday session23:20
sarobi cant make the first talk23:21
ShamailWe normally end up reviewing and discussing both sessions in the meetings23:21
sarobim triple booked23:21
ShamailAll good23:21
ShamailWe need you for the second one though23:21
sarobim hooked on that one23:21
ShamailI will send a link out to read only copies of the polished decks later tonight to the WG ML23:21
ShamailThe other thing we need to touch on is presenters23:22
ShamailBut before we go there... I have a question regarding session 2 content...23:22
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ShamailWould it be okay/appropriate to do a logo slide of all the organizations that came to our mid cycle?  This will show the diversity in our team and also the fact that we might be able to help with resources.23:23
ShamailThoughts?  Good idea/bad idea?23:23
Shamaili can pull the info from our etherpad23:23
sarobim good with that23:23
barrettShamail - I like it! The PTLs asked what companies were involved. I think others will have that question too. Think proactively addressing this is good.23:24
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ShamailGreat, I'll include it.23:24
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sarobso you have a deck going for the second product talk?23:24
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ShamailAs for speakers, we think that we should try to maybe target 3 per session (6 unique in all)23:24
ShamailYes, partially.... It is the non roadmap content from the deck mscohen built originally for session 1 before we pulled them apart23:25
sarobwe discussed focusing on the xproject work, irght23:25
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sarobfirst one on data collected23:25
barrettSarob: flow, deliverable, how to set priorities23:25
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ShamailWe did but we are using session 2 as an overview of the WG and its alignment across the community23:26
sarobreed, zehicle, allison have kinda dropped back lately23:26
ShamailWe will highlight xproj through workflow but also need to address what the need was, what we need to do, etc.23:26
* reed is swamped23:26
sarobanyone ping them lately on if they are planning on joining?23:26
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ShamailYes sarob, Allison did join our call last week23:26
reedi read things :)23:27
barrettSarob: Allisson joined a work meeting last week, she was fine with changin gspeakers23:27
Shamailbarrett: can you give an update from the call?  I'm mobile. :-)23:27
sarobbarrett: ah, cool23:27
barrettShamail - Need to find my notes23:27
reedand I'm fine with changing speakers too23:27
ShamailThanks reed23:27
reedi'm very glad to see the uptake in leadership23:27
reedthanks Shamail, barrett23:27
barrettreed: Happy to help out23:28
ShamailI would still be very interested if the 4 of you could at least get on the stage for 3-5 min and give an overview of what lead to the creation23:28
ShamailTime permitting after content is built :P23:28
sarobokay, we should submit changes to claire, laurensell?23:28
reedof course, I'm happy to help23:28
reedsarob, there is a more appropriate alias23:29
* reed searches23:29
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sarobwhats about zehicle, anyone ping him?23:29
ShamailAs far as speakers, I talked to mscohen since he led the PTL feedback collection process... He recommended Scott, himself, and I as a possible option for session 123:29
barrettUpdate from Monday's call - We reviewed the draft content that was used in Tuesday's Cross-project meeting23:29
ShamailI can ask awhile23:29
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ShamailI would like the team to discuss their thoughts on speakers for session 1 too.  (After update from the call w/ Allison)23:30
barrettIdentified needed content, divided the work amongst the attendees and then discussed needing to get a plan of attack for the speaking sessions23:30
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barrettI'd like to volunteer as a speaker in the 2nd session...23:31
ShamailFor session 2, the thought was sarob, barrett, plus one more.23:31
Shamailbarrett: +123:31
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RockygHe's busy, but I'll ping.  I know he's double booked for some things23:31
ShamailBoth session speakers are up for debate... Thoughts?23:31
sarobthx reed23:32
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ShamailShould we take up this over ML or can we lock in?23:32
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sarobim good still with the second session speaking23:32
ShamailCould we do 4/4 or is 3/3 ideal?23:33
barrettI think we should go for breadth of companies in the speaker roles - reinforce the community effort23:33
sarobshamail: whats that mean23:33
barrettI think 3 is actually better - 4 starts to get mob-ish. :)23:33
Shamail4 speakers each versus 323:33
* sarob is 5by523:33
* sarob thinks mobs are bad23:34
ShamailOkay, 3 each.23:34
ShamailAre we good with the suggestions for session 1 or do we want to modify?23:34
sarobfor second session23:34
ShamailOne session at a time :)23:34
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barrettI'm good with the plan for Session 123:35
Rockygwhat's the time on the 2nd session?23:35
ShamailOkay, if anyone feels strongly another way.. Please let me know.23:35
ShamailTuesday 11:15 session now...23:35
Shamail(That's session #2)23:36
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ShamailI +1 sarob and barrett23:36
ShamailNow we can discuss candidates for the session plus nominate someone from slot 323:36
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barrettShamail: What do you mean candidates23:36
ShamailYou mentioned arkady earlier...23:36
ShamailWho else should speak23:37
ShamailThat's what I meant by candidate :)23:37
ShamailDo we know his availability?23:37
barrettI don't have a strong preference on the 3rd slot - other than a unique company23:38
RockygI think zehicle should be available for a short bit for session 2.  there's a defcore ops session in conflict, though.23:38
ShamailAre you going to miss it to Rockyg?23:38
Rockygwhere is mscohen from.  No, I'll be therei23:38
ShamailRed Hat23:38
sarobmscohen is cisco23:39
RockygWe've got Cisco, RedHat, Dell, Huawei23:39
Rockyg(already represented, along with IBM23:39
ShamailI was wrong23:39
ShamailI had to double check, my fault.23:39
RockygI expect you to slap your own hands, Shamail23:40
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* Shamail slaps other hand23:40
RockygExcept sarob is no longer EMC.23:40
RockygHe's Akanda23:40
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sarobi was vmware23:41
Rockygsarob, is it an acronym?23:41
sarobfor nicira, yes23:41
barrettsarob: Just a part of the Federation. :)23:41
RockygSo, that means Shamail could be there for EMC ;-)  as if he's not in enough sessions....23:42
sarobso did we decide something?23:42
sarobi got lost in the middle23:42
Rockygno decisions23:42
barrettDo we want to circulate the plan on ML and ask for volunteer for 3rd speaking spot in session 2?23:42
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sarobit sounds like a plan23:43
Shamaillol I wouldn't mind but uniqueness would be good23:43
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ShamailI can plug EMC participation in the first session23:43
Shamail6 unique companies would be ideal23:43
barrettShamail do you want to include this info in the email you'll send out with the links to the content?23:43
RockygI'm willing, but I think there may be better ones for this talk.23:43
Shamailbarrett: +123:43
sarobbarrett: +123:44
ShamailYes.  I'll ask for a volunteer and state the only criteria (unique org)23:44
barrettShamail +123:44
sarobmove on to liberty planning?23:44
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sarobgots 16 min23:44
ShamailRockyg: if you want to do it, go ahead.23:44
ShamailWe're all learning together23:44
barrettShamail - And knowledgeable on the state of the work...or willing to spend time coming up to speed if needed23:44
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ShamailGood point barrett23:45
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RockygBe happy to unless you find someone better.23:45
sarob#action shamail email ML on session content and request additional speakers23:45
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barrettWe're going to review content in a call tomorrow AM. Do we want to talk about having a Work Group meeting on Thursday? Gather our learnings and define work plan for next couple of months?23:46
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barrettJsut to clarify: Thursday 5/2123:46
Shamailbarrett: +1 but morning is bad.23:46
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sarobbarrett: you jumped topics23:47
ShamailI can provide a room that can fit at least 12-1523:47
barrettHow about 4:00 - 6:00?23:47
sarobbarrett: yes that time sounds good23:47
barrettAnyone have an issue with that?23:47
Shamailbarrett: +123:47
ShamailThat works for me23:47
sarobworks for me23:47
ShamailI'll block room23:47
barrettGoing, going, gone!23:47
barrettShamail: Thanks23:48
Rockygsarob:  no congress?23:48
RockygThursday 5pm23:48
sarobi can only focus on one major project at a time23:48
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sarobare we a go for 21may 16:00-18:00?23:49
RockygI may need to duck in and out.  Lots of liberty strategizing then23:49
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barrettsarob: +123:49
sarobi wrote it down so its final :)23:49
ShamailSince Liberty Planning is next topic... Side bar: Over/Under on someone using "Give me Liberty, or Give me death?" In a marketing pitch in Tokyo.23:50
Shamailsarob: +123:50
sarob#topic liberty planning at the summit23:50
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sarobshamail: dressed as who?23:50
ShamailThat's the wild card.23:51
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sarobwe have a rug23:51
sarobso its hard to judge23:51
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sarob9 min23:51
RockygI think death is a little harsh23:52
sarobrockyg: would encourage timely migration23:52
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barrettNot sure what we need to cover on Liberty. Think we need to have folks at the User Committee meeting on on 5/21 from 11:00 - 12:30.23:53
barrettI've got a conflict23:54
sarobso is a charter really that important?23:54
barrettsarob: ?23:54
sarob16:00 = 11:00 ?23:54
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sarobbarrett: im reading the first design session etherpad23:55
barrettsarob: ?23:55
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ShamailI'll make the ops summit user committee session but not this one. :(23:55
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sarobi guess i can braindump into the etherpad23:56
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barrettOur cross-project session is from 3:40 - 4:40; Just after our work group meeting that goes from 2:00 - 3:30. Is that what you're looking for?23:57
sarobbarrett mentioned we had conflict with user committee 11am23:57
RockygI think Shamail and I said we'd make that uc meeting23:57
ShamailWe do need to become focused so a charter would help us do that.  Although I like objectives and deliverables more23:57
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barrettSarob: I have conflict with the User Committee, not the group23:57
ShamailI'll make the one on Tuesday at 3P PT23:57
barrettRocky +123:57
sarobbarrett: okay, im confused but its been a long time23:57
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barrettOn the Charter question, I do think it's important to have it.23:58
sarobare we having a cleanup project session 21may 16:00?23:58
ShamailAre we talking about the UC on Thursday or Tuesdayv23:58
barrettsarob: Yes23:58
Shamailsarob: yes23:58
sarobbarrett: whew23:58
sarobokay, back to the other thing23:59
ShamailWe are definitely having it... I'm finding out when we have meeting rooms until though23:59
sarobwe can comment on etherpad post mtg, pre design session23:59
ShamailI'll let you know asap if the room falls through (unlikely)23:59
sarobshamail: thx23:59
saroband we are done23:59
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saroblast word?23:59

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