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FdotHello :)06:01
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting06:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 06:02:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.06:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'06:02
DaisyGood morning and good afternoon.06:02
DaisyWelcome to I18n meeting.06:02
DeeJay1+1 ;)06:02
DaisyI see ujuc, katomo, adiantum, Fdot , DeeJay106:02
DaisyNice to meet you.06:02
ujuc\o_ kk06:03
DaisyHi, epico06:03
DaisyLet's start the meeting.06:03
Daisy#topic Briefing of I18n meetings in Vancouver summit06:03
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DaisyIn Vancouver summit, there were 2 scheduled I18n meetings. DeeJay1 had a presentation to introduce translation tools and his experiences in translation .06:04
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DaisyIn the 2 scheduled I18n meetings, we met with doc team, Horizon team, infra team. It was great to meet with them in our meetings. It showed that they all thought we were important.06:05
DaisyBesides 2 scheduled meetings, we also had a ad hoc I18n team round table meeting.06:06
DaisyI liked this ad hoc meeting very much.06:06
Fdot+1 :)06:06
DaisyThis was the meeting minutes.06:07
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DaisyWe talked about glossaries, communications, string freeze, being more official and visible.06:08
Daisyand etc.06:08
DaisyWe even made a picture.06:08
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DaisyAbout the communication, we decided to try "slack".06:09
DaisyFdot set up a "link" in slack: https://openstacki18nteam.slack.com06:09
DaisyYou can install a mobile app "slack", then you can communicate with the team any time you want.06:10
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DaisyFdot: if a person want to join, does he need invitation ?06:11
katomoFdot: To start using Slack, you'll need to be invited by your team administrator.06:11
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FdotIf you can't access to the group send give me your email and I will send you invitations06:11
katomogot it.06:11
DaisyDeeJay1: do you still have problem to join slack ?06:12
katomoThanks to set up.06:12
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Fdotkatomo daisy: I am looking into the seetings for improving this ;)06:12
DeeJay1Daisy: yes :(06:12
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DaisyWhat's your problem, DeeJay1  ?06:13
DeeJay1I need the invite ;) I'll message Fdot06:13
FdotDeeJay1: anytime :)06:13
Daisygreat. slack can short the physical distance between us.06:14
DaisyAbout the glossary, German, French, Japanese, Chinese have their own glossary. We decided to merge them together to make the first version of I18n "terminologies".06:15
Daisyujuc: do you have your own glossary ?06:15
ujucno, i made glossary...06:15
DaisyWhat do you mean ?06:15
ujucslowly make....06:15
Daisyok. I didn't make out a merged version yet. I will do it next week.06:16
DaisyWe decided to use "terminologies" as the first trial project in Zanata. The first trial project will probably start from the end of June or the early of July.06:17
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DaisyDeeJay1 has a spec to infra team about translation check website. Thank you very much, DeeJay106:17
DaisyDeeJay1: how is the progress now ?06:18
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DeeJay1I'll refine it this weekend according to the comments06:18
Daisyok. Thank you.06:18
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DeeJay1it's been a pretty busy week after my vacation06:18
DaisyI'm done about "Vancouver summit briefing". Do you have anything add, Fdot, DeeJay1, adiantum ?06:19
Daisyadiantum: have you connected with Carlos, the Zanata developer ?06:20
FdotDaisy: it is ok for me :)06:20
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adiantumDaisy: not yet, i have no his contacts...06:20
DaisyWe need to make sure "translation metrics on stackalytis" happened in Liberty.06:20
DaisyOK. I will connect you two.06:20
adiantumDaisy: thank you.06:21
DaisyThen let's move to next topic.06:21
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Daisy#topic Criteria of I18n core members and active members06:21
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DaisyDuring the Vancouver meeting, we decided to try "openstack official project". I tried. it turned out our contributions were well known by TC team. 11 people voted +1 to us.06:22
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DaisySo we passed. Now we are official project. In next design summit, we will have meeting rooms. Hurry!06:23
adiantumVery good!06:23
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DaisyIf we want our active contributors to get "ATC" and the discount code sent by openstack officer, we have to do some extra steps.06:24
DaisyBefore that, let's set the criteria of our core members and active members.06:25
DaisyFirst, let's discuss about the core member criteria .06:25
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DeeJay1I'd say: attends at least one meeting montlhy and is active on the mailing list and is a language coordinator06:27
DaisyWhat in my mind are is "(1) coordinators of active translation team who has Horizon translation or at least 2 document translation (2) attend IRC meeting at least once per month“06:27
FdotDaisy: maybe we can use the transifex stats ?06:27
DeeJay1Fdot: s/transifex/zanata/ - but that is for the active member statistic in my opinion06:28
DaisyFdot: Yes, Transifex stats could be used to name the active contributors.06:28
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DaisyDeeJay1: agree. Transifex/Zanata stats could be used to select active members. Not core members.06:29
DeeJay1Daisy: adding a required Horizon/doc translation is a good point also06:29
DaisyFdot: I will send you the stats of French team.06:30
DeeJay1this would weed out the coordinators which are there because they are there06:30
DaisyDeeJay1: yes.06:30
adiantumDaisy: and may i ask you about stats for russian team?06:30
Daisysure, adiantum06:30
FdotDaisy: thanks06:30
adiantumDaisy, thank you06:30
adiantumHorizon translation is a good point06:31
DaisyOK. Nice. I think we will have our initial core team.06:31
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katomoHorizon and Docs are good.06:32
DaisyThen we need to collect information of active translators. We need to have them sign  the ICLA ( it is individual contributor ?? agreement )06:32
adiantumBut i think we need to think about involvment to translation review process too06:32
adiantumIndividual Contributor License Agreement06:33
Fdot+1 adiantum :)06:33
DeeJay1adiantum: yeah, but we should get it from the stats06:33
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DaisyExactly, Thank you, adiantum.06:33
katomoadiantum: agree. review process is important.06:33
ujuc+1 adiantum, :) review... important.06:34
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Daisyhow to do that ? Do you have any idea ? adiantum06:34
adiantumfrom stats, but no idea about correct criteria06:35
Daisyreview is another kind of contribution, the same important as translation.06:35
DeeJay1adiantum: for current ATC criteria for the developers, you need to just fix a typo somewhere06:36
DaisyI know Zanata stats will show the review contribution and translation contribution.06:36
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adiantumDeeJay1: sometimes not only typo :)06:36
DaisyI don't know about Transifex yet. If it has, I will send to you together.06:36
adiantumDaisy: so we can discuss this criteria after transfer to Zanata06:37
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Daisywho knows the criteria of current code ATC ?06:38
Daisy1 commit ?06:38
adiantumas i remember 1 commit to official project06:38
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DaisyDo you agree that "1 word translation or review" could be the criteria of translation ATC ?06:39
FdotDaisy: I think it is not enough06:40
FdotIt is easier to translate 1 word than doing 1 commit06:40
DeeJay1I'd say maybe 5% for a currently merged translation06:40
Daisy"The program grants Active Technical Contributor (ATC) status to anyone completing a commit to any program repository during the previous two release cycles. Core project team members may grant ATC to significant, non code-contributors for two cycles. "06:40
ujucthis... link06:41
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DaisyThanks, ujuc . They are useful.06:41
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DaisyI think 5% is a big number, maybe 5% would be 25 strings, around 250 words. I don't know.06:42
FdotDaisy: 25 strings is not so much and it start to be a contribution06:42
ujucto bic.....06:42
DaisyIn Kilo release, there were 500+ new strings to Horizon. 5% is 25 strings, around 250 words.06:42
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Daisy200 words translation during the previous two release cycles ?06:43
FdotDaisy: +1 \o_06:43
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adiantumsounds good06:44
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DeeJay1we can refine it later on, when we start getting the stats06:44
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DaisyThank you.06:45
adiantumDeeJay1: agreed06:45
Daisy#action: Daisy to send Transifex stats to each language team.06:45
DaisyDo you think we publish these stats or not ? I mean, not only send to the coordinator, send out to the whole mailing list ?06:46
DaisyIt's bad that Transifex stats can only be reviewed by a few people.06:47
DaisyOnly project maintainer could see the stats, I think.06:47
adiantumlet publish it - i think it's good idea06:48
DeeJay1it denends on how they are anonimized06:48
Daisyok. Let's publish them.06:49
FdotDaisy: +106:49
adiantumDeeJay: good point, but some people don't publish their names on Transifex06:49
DeeJay1on transifex people didn't sign the ICLA, giving away they names/addresses so IMHO from a legal standpoint it would be wiser to anonimize the data06:49
DaisyOK. Then.06:50
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adiantumWe can ask people with significant contribution for agreement to publish06:50
DaisyFirstly, I will only publish to the core team.06:50
FdotDaisy: ok :)06:50
DaisyLet's see the data at first, then we decide whether to publish them.06:50
DeeJay1Daisy: ok, when we see what the data include we can decide06:50
DaisyDeeJay1: +106:51
* DeeJay1 seems to have a typo day :/06:51
ujuc+1 :)06:51
DaisyOK. great !06:51
DaisyI have done my work.06:51
FdotDaisy: +106:51
Daisy#topic open discussion06:51
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DaisyAnything to discuss ?06:52
DeeJay1enyone else misses Vancouver? ;)06:52
adiantumi find on launchpad blueprint in stacalytics project about translation support06:52
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DaisyYes, adiantum . I made it.06:52
DeeJay1o7 amotoki!06:53
DaisyYou can assign to youself, if you want.06:53
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adiantumit would be great06:53
adiantumbut i want to ask - is there any kind of spec or something?06:54
Daisyadiantum: do you have connects with Ilya Shakhat ?06:54
Daisyadiantum: no...I think Carlos has a API spec.06:54
adiantumnot yet, but i know guys from Mirantis who know him06:54
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Daisyadiantum: you could connect with him if you need his help on stackalytics codes.06:55
DaisyCarlos has a Zanata API spec.06:56
adiantumi mean we need some requirements for spec as starting point, i can create first iteration and then i think wew need to discuss06:56
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Daisyadiantum: I could write a requirement document.06:56
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adiantumDaisy: kewl!06:56
DaisyThere was a discussion with Ilya Shakhat, Carlos, Anish (the previous voluteer developer) in last release. I still remembered it. I could write it down.06:57
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adiantumDaisy: it will be nice =)06:58
Daisy#action Daisy to write the requirements for translation metrics06:58
DaisyOK then.06:58
Daisyanything else to talk ?06:59
DeeJay1we're out of time anyway :)06:59
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adiantumDeeJay1: missed Stanly Park :-)06:59
DaisySo we will close the meeting. Thank you for your attending.06:59
DaisyWe are a wonderful team !06:59
adiantumthank you =)06:59
FdotDaisy: +1 :)06:59
FdotThanks you all :)06:59
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Fdothave a good day/night/holidays ;)07:00
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adiantumgood time to all =)07:00
ujucbye :)07:00
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 15:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
gordcwelcome back folks15:00
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gordclet's get going.15:01
gordc#topic vancouver round up15:02
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gordci hope you all had a good time in vancouver a few weeks ago.15:02
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gordci think we covered quite a bit... or at least what we hoped to15:02
gordchere's the executive summary of what we covered:
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gordcthe work items and assignees can be found here:
gordcfor those who have something assigned to them. if you could, can you place an expected target next to the item15:03
gordcjust so we can gauge whether we should assign more resources to certain items15:03
gordci'll keep it on etherpad for now as apparently google docs isn't available everywhere.15:04
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cdentyeah, I've got a question on the agents split. I'm the name on that but fabio has started a spec, so what's the plan there. I'm happy either way15:04
ildikovwill we track this etherpad on the meetings?15:04
gordcthat work with everyone? i'll probably ping you individually if i don't see a date so if you don't want to talk to me. put a date.15:04
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ildikovgordc: :)15:05
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gordcildikov: sure. let's do that... i think first few weeks we can assume people are just ramping up. but we can reference it.15:05
gordccdent: ... hmm.. take it back.lol15:05
gordccdub: i'll check with fabiog his plans... haven't seen him around recentlhy15:06
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ildikovgordc: sure, agreed, I just thought that later it will be informative to see where we need more hands, etc.15:06
gordcildikov: agreed. good idea15:06
gordcit's an honour system as always. don't make my life difficult by deleting the etherpad15:07
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gordccool cool if there's no questions or anything add we can move on...15:07
gordcwe got a lot on agenda15:08
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gordc#topic Quick vote and decision on
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gordcjd__: all yours15:08
jd__yeah I need people to +2a15:09
eglynngordc: are we voting on the idea or just on the proposed names for the split-out repo?15:09
jd__especially on the name of the thing15:09
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gordceglynn: so i think the idea is pretty much agreed upon from the summit15:10
gordci think we consider names15:10
eglynngordc: agreed15:10
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gordci didn't yet check out the scope of what is split but i think it should be ok.15:10
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* eglynn likes Aodh ... but I'm a sucker for silent consonants, being Irish and all :)15:10
gordceglynn: i was just going to ask you for fancy names... and you did not disappoint15:11
ildikoveglynn: lol :)15:11
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gordceglynn: i assume that ends up being pronounced completely different from how it's spelt15:11
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eglynnlike 'A' ... to rhyme with May15:12
gordcjd__: do you want a vote for name?15:12
jd__or an agreement :)15:12
gordclet's give a vote a try to point us in right direction15:12
* gordc wonders how #vote works15:13
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eglynnjust boolean (y/n) options I think?15:13
gordc* aodh (Alarm Over Data Heuristically/Helpfully/Hopefully)* Lanterne  50 * Mezzelune  51 * Ravioli  52    * Spätzle  53 * Campanelle (a bell-shaped pasta. Alarms, bells…)15:13
gordceglynn: oh. i guess that doesn't work.15:13
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cdentyeah, you can only +1 0 or -1 on a vote15:14
cdent# vote lets do it and call it aodh15:14
cdent(but without the space)15:14
* eglynn concurs15:14
gordc#vote lets do it and call it aodh15:14
gordcdon't work15:15
gordclet's just assume we're all leaning towords aodh15:15
eglynngordc ... # startvote ?15:15
cdent#startvote lets do it and call it aodh15:15
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.15:15
cdentthere we go15:15
gordc#startvote lets do it and call it aodh15:15
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.15:15
gordcthis is too difficult.15:15
gordcanyone else have a preference?15:16
gordcelse let's just say aodh15:16
eglynngordc ... example # startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe15:16
cdentapparently you can make choices15:16
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gordc#startvote what's the new alarm name? aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle15:17
openstackBegin voting on: what's the new alarm name? Valid vote options are aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle.15:17
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:17
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gordc#vote aodh15:17
idegtiarov_#vote Maybe15:18
openstackidegtiarov_: Maybe is not a valid option. Valid options are aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle.15:18
prad#vote aodh15:18
eglynn#vote aodh15:18
jasonamyers#vote aodh15:18
ildikov#vote aodh15:18
cdent#vote aodh15:18
* jd__ does not care15:18
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idegtiarov_#vote aodh15:18
openstackaodh (7): ildikov, jasonamyers, cdent, eglynn, prad, gordc, idegtiarov_15:18
gordcok, i think we just burned through time. at least we know how voting works now.15:18
ildikovjd__: that's not a valid option :)15:18
ityaptin#vote aodh15:19
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rjaiswal#vote aodh15:19
gordc10 sec15:19
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openstackVoted on "what's the new alarm name?" Results are15:19
openstackaodh (9): ildikov, rjaiswal, jasonamyers, cdent, eglynn, prad, gordc, ityaptin, idegtiarov_15:19
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gordccool. we learned extreme democracy.15:20
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gordci guess if we can review the spec we should be good to go.15:20
jd__i'll update the spec15:20
jd__I've already started to work on a patch so I might have this new repo done quickly15:20
gordcjd__: cool stuff.15:20
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gordc#topic "subscribing" to the guidelines produced by the api-wg15:21
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gordccdent: go for it15:21
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cdentjust sort of an update to the question of "do we need to follow the guidelines from the working group"15:21
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cdentI brought it up at one of the conference sessions that sometimes (e.g. gnocchi) there's a desire to not follow the guidelines (on use of HTTP 501 response code for example)15:22
cdentthere's no stick inovolved in the guidelines, the basic statements are:15:22
cdentif you don't follow the guidelines you're not "being openstack" and/or you won't get the "follows-the-api-guidelines" tag15:23
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cdentneither of these things seem particularly relevant15:23
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gordcuntil you get branded for real.15:23
cdentbut we may want to keep it in mind as we develop api related stuff: there are good reasons for why the guidelines are ending up as they are15:23
gordcwhat's the reason for exception in gnocchi?15:23
gordcor is it something best left for off meeting?15:24
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cdentthe debate on when to use 501 is long and complicated15:24
cdentso probably best not to revisit here15:24
eglynncdent: is the "follows-the-api-guidelines" tag for real?15:24
cdentthere is a question underlying all this though and that is: do we care? do we want to do something about it?15:24
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gordccdent: cool cool. "the debate on when to use <any stardard> is long and complicated"15:24
ildikovcdent: are there other exceptions too?15:25
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cdenteglynn: it is "forthcoming" according to lifeless15:25
gordccdent: i think we care. it's just easier if things happen as expected with common results.15:25
gordceglynn: yeah... tags...15:25
cdentI'm not currently aware of other exceptions yet, but a) the guidelines are nowhere near complete nor published b) I haven't had a chance to do a full audit15:25
ildikoveglynn: this whole tagging story is under discussion as much as I know, but I think it will be soon15:25
eglynntags certainly are the new hammer15:25
cdentyes, eglynn, that's what I said in response...15:26
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ildikoveglynn: yeap, but we still need to keep in mind to have some...15:26
gordccool cool. i guess we should try to follow whatever exists so long as it seems logical15:26
jasonamyersops tags sound brutal on the ops list15:26
eglynntags can only capture a boolean distinction ... whereas there's likely to a wide spectrum from slavishingly following the api-wg guideline to pointedly ignoring them15:26
cdentSomething to keep in mind is that there is a relatively small coterie of people validating the guidelines with any real authority (due to experience) and I'm in that group, so we can shape the guidelines quite a bit15:27
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* gordc adds a tag rant topic for open discussion.15:27
cdentbut I don't want to get into a situation where we get lost in the bikeshed here, there's enough of that going on in the api-wg itself15:27
ildikovcdent: cool, I just wanted to ask15:27
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gordccdent: i think as long as the services follow the guidelines to some degree, we'll all be in somewhat the same direction.15:28
cdentthere's an active process in nova for api developments: if no guidelines exist for somethign that is ambiguous, create a guideline first, then make the nova changes15:28
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cdentI don't reckon we need that for us, but it is there as an option15:28
eglynnwhat happened to the idea of the api-wg being a repository of knowledge and enlightenment that projects would naturally buy into, as opposed to holding a big stick?15:29
cdentwe have the advantage of being small and friendly15:29
eglynnby far the biggest nova API change in recent times was microversioning15:29
eglynnIMO at least15:29
eglynnyet the api-wg had no input to that?15:29
ildikoveglynn: no bug change with microversions :)15:29
cdentthat's (education) still the goal by most people eglynn, it's just when the question of "what about when someone doesn't  want to follow an important rule" where things enter into discussion of enforement15:30
cdentthere' s a pending review on microversioning15:30
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eglynnwell, retrospectively, right?15:31
eglynnas in ... not guideline first, change after?15:31
eglynnanyhoo, we digress15:31
cdentyes, but all the guidelines are effectively retrospective inclusion of rules that already exist because they are simply recapitulating what ought to be good web behavior15:31
gordctbh, i don't really care about the tags but cdent you can keep us relatively aligned.15:31
cdentthanks gordc that's pretty much what I'm after is a statement of how much we care and it sounds like "we'd like to be good citizens but aren't going to be uptight about it" which seems sane15:32
gordccdent:  seems like a good politically-correct response.15:32
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gordcon to the next?15:33
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gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:33
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cdent#agreed we'll be good citizens with regard to api-wg but not uptight about it15:33
gordci am tracking nothing for this... anyone else?15:33
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gordccool, this topic was fun. next.15:34
gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:34
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gordcjd__: sileht: anything?15:34
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eglynncdent: "we'd like to be good citizens but aren't going to be uptight about it" makes sense ... with the caveat, "pretty, pretty please, don't use tags for this"15:34
jd__I'm working on making the API and processing more async15:34
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jd__other than that, no big news I guess15:35
gordcjd__: yay! async!15:35
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jd__that should make things much faster15:35
cdentI've started experimenting with some gabbi-based functional testing things, just to get a better idea of how things work in a real installed system, I think this will likely result in some exploratory tools15:35
silehtno thing special, I wrote a piece of code to plug gnocchi with grafana15:35
jd__sileht: does it work now?15:36
gordci think so too. the processing was a bit sluggish.15:36
silehtjd__, I have a trouble with keystone and their proxy stuffs15:36
jd__ok :(15:36
silehtjd__, otherrise I have implemented all your query in their system15:36
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sileht(our queries)15:36
gordcsileht: you need contacts in keystone for help?15:36
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jd__"I know people"15:37
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gordci don't know people. i was just going to link irc channel. :P15:37
silehtgordc, my issue is in grafana15:37
gordcah i see.15:37
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gordcnot sure they have experience with that.15:37
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gordcsileht: let me know if you hit a wall. i can try redirecting issue somewhere... i don't know where yet.15:38
silehtI have published my code here:
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gordcsileht: nice. and it'll exist as something outside for gnocchi?15:40
gordcoutside of*15:40
dstaneksileht: just stop in to #openstack-keystone if you need help15:40
dstanekkeystone help that is15:41
silehtdstanek, thx15:41
gordcdstanek: that was the link i was all the help i was going to give.15:41
gordci typed two different sentences in one15:41
silehtgordc, this is a plugin for grafana so perhaps the grafana-plugins code tree make sense15:41
gordcsileht: makes sense15:41
dstanekgordc: that's because you are efficient15:42
gordcdstanek: thanks!lol15:42
gordccool anything else gnocchi related?15:42
gordc#topic Midcycle Meetup15:42
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gordcnot sure who added this.15:42
jasonamyersDo we normally have a midcycle?15:43
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jasonamyersI did15:43
gordcjasonamyers: ah i see.15:43
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ildikovjasonamyers: we had one and the next one we cancelled15:43
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gordcjasonamyers: so we skipped the midcycle in kilo because we couldn't get enough attendees15:43
jasonamyersahh okay15:43
gordcjasonamyers: generally we need someone to offer as host15:43
gordcwe can talk about it though.15:44
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cdenton the beach near my house15:44
gordci don't know if anyone has concerns about budget15:44
jasonamyersCisco will gladly host at RTP15:44
gordcjasonamyers: cool. rtp might be ok... might be an issue for devs in russia/china.15:45
pradthats 4 miles from where i live.. so +1 from me :P15:45
pradbut yea the rest of the team is far far away15:45
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gordcso we have cdents house and rtp.15:45
jasonamyerswe have other offices, but rtp was the first one they offered15:45
jasonamyersif their is another office that works I can see about that as well15:46
gordcjasonamyers: maybe you can get a more euro based option. and possible time?15:46
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gordcfor all the contributors we can start asking our managers for pots of gold...15:46
jasonamyerswill do15:46
gordcask for something really big so it makes a plane ticket seem more reasonable15:46
ildikovjasonamyers: gordc: the Nova folks had an eventbrite registration or smth like just to see how many attendees they can expect15:47
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ildikovmaybe we could do smth similar, it was announced on the dev list15:47
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gordcildikov: good idea15:47
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gordcildikov: i'll look into that.15:47
ildikovI would prefer Ireland, I still have a corporate plane ticket to there...15:48
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ildikovgordc: cool, tnx15:48
jasonamyerswe do have a nice office outside of dublin15:48
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ildikovjasonamyers: cool, sounds nice to me :)15:48
gordc... ildikov always gets what she asks for.15:49
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jasonamyersIll get on it15:49
gordccool stuff... thanks for taking lead on that jasonamyers15:49
* ildikov tries hard at least :)15:49
gordcjasonamyers: anything else you need?15:49
gordcassume no.15:50
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gordc#topic Short term solution vote and decision on
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gordcrjaiswal: floor is yours15:50
gordci practiced my voting skills15:50
jasonamyersIm good15:51
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rjaiswalgordc: thx, yes, we need a vote on the short term approach on this - file polling or HUP-signal to achieve pipeline reloading15:51
ildikovshort term is solving the config reload on pipeline level?15:51
gordcrjaiswal: ... that seems too complex for a irc vote.lol15:52
rjaiswalgordc: assuming the options and pros/cons were discussed in the summit15:52
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gordci guess we did agree on some form of file based refresh.15:52
rjaiswalother potential options are using olso to reload config file15:53
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ildikovI think the file based approach does not prevent us to switch to datastore later15:53
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gordcjd__: want to remove your -2?
jd__gordc: I need to re-read it I guess?15:53
gordcjd__: sure.15:54
gordcrjaiswal: did you refresh spec with options? i didn't read it tbh.15:54
ildikovso I think we can start there and then if the pipeline rebuild is done with file reload, then we still have ways forward15:54
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gordci don't know if you have quick pitch on what pro/con of each option is?15:54
gordcrjaiswal: or we can just read the spec15:54
rjaiswalgordc: i havn't, i was thinking of another spec for the short term approach15:54
gordcrjaiswal: ah i see... i think that might be a good idea. i don't think we all have a sense of your proposal and what the alternatives are15:55
gordcrjaiswal:  i think you can present an option you feel is best and we can go from there.15:55
rjaiswalgordc: sure, so the file reloading is easiest to achieve, but error-prone15:55
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rjaiswalsince there is no coordination among agents to use a single pipeline15:56
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gordcrjaiswal: kk. yeah. i think if we drop that in a short spec we can all take a look and provide feedback. i don't think we'll be able to come to conclusion in 3 minutes15:57
gordcrjaiswal: we can keep this on the meeting for next week if we haven't decide by then? sound good?15:57
rjaiswalgordc: yes, i can work on a spec and pull in feedback from etherpad15:57
gordcrjaiswal: cool stuff.15:57
rjaiswalgordc: yes, sounds god, shud have it ready by then15:57
gordcrjaiswal: awesome15:58
rjaiswalgordc: thanks15:58
gordc#topic open discussion15:58
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rjaiswalildikov, __jd: thanks15:58
gordc1 minute to do whatever15:58
cdenttags throwdown15:58
ildikovrjaiswal: np, add to the review please, if you have a new spec15:59
gordccdent: ... don't ask me about tags... i will rant... and i will get fired.lol15:59
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gordccdent: don't ask me about <anything>... i will rant... and i will get fired.15:59
* cdent would like to see that15:59
gordcend of time16:00
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gordcnext time cdent :P16:00
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s3wonganyone here for Tacker meeting?16:01
sridhar_ram1s3wong: hi16:01
dgollubs3wong: hi16:01
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melishaHey. Moshe Elisha (Alcatel Lucent) for Tacker16:01
s3wongGreat, let's get started16:01
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s3wong#startmeeting tacker16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 16:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is s3wong. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'16:01
s3wongHere is the agenda for today:16:02
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s3wong#topic announcements16:02
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s3wongfirst, the "major" announcement is our new meeting time and channel16:02
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s3wonggiven that you guys are here, that means you already know about them; but for the record, I will info it16:03
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s3wong#info Tacker weekly meeting time and channel: Thursday @1600 UTC on #openstack-meeting16:03
gpazHi everyone, Guy from Alcatel-Lucent (Cloudband)16:04
s3wonggpaz: hello16:04
sridhar_ramgpaz: hi16:04
s3wongSeveral times this week, there has been inquiry on setting up Tacker demo16:04
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s3wongso I will also "announce" the detail as info16:05
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ljlamers#info Larry Lamers16:05
s3wongljlamers: hello16:05
sridhar_rams3wong: there were asks for a short installation doc as well16:05
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sridhar_ramfolks are trying to stand up tacker service16:05
s3wong#info the folder where we store most of our demo related things is here:16:06
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bobhWe were able to reproduce the demo except for the Horizon integration.  There seems to be a bug in the tacker Horizon repo that prevents Horizon from starting16:06
s3wong#info devstack (in case you want a reference to local.conf) is in:16:07
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s3wong#info and Horizon repo is in:16:07
sridhar_rambobh: I can help16:07
s3wongbobh: yeah, I feel much more confident after you were able to reproduce the demo setup (sans Horizon)16:08
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s3wongsridhar_ram: thanks!16:08
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s3wongany other announcements?16:08
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sridhar_ramljlamers: is hosting a TOSCA meetup this monday16:09
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s3wongsridhar_ram, ljlamers: Monday the 15th, right?16:09
ljlamers#info - Larry Lamers is not hosting a TOSCA meeting16:09
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s3wongljlamers: not?16:10
ljlamers#info Larry Lamers has invited several experts to a meet up including folks from OpenStack world16:10
sridhar_ramljlamers: can u clarify ?16:10
sridhar_ramljlamers: got it :)16:10
s3wongOK, moving on :-)16:11
ljlamersIt is an informal meeting of experts - under no organization auspices16:11
sridhar_ramljlamers: sounds good16:11
s3wongljlamers: good16:11
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s3wong#topic Liberty cycle priorities16:12
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s3wongI tentatively put in a list of tasks on the agenda wiki16:12
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sridhar_rams3wong: we also have an etherpad now to capture liberty tacker activities .. including the priority16:12
s3wongthe list, of course, should be finalized by community consensus16:13
s3wongsridhar_ram: thanks16:13
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s3wongbut just to get discussion going, let's go through these16:13
dgollubwhat do you think about fixing up the and do "s/servicevm/vnf/" cleanups?16:14
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s3wongdgollub: that would also be important16:14
s3wongdgollub: we will add that to the list16:14
dgollubThe original goal of tacker might confuse people if they look into the code right now - or do you think this is just nitpicking since it's just some naming thing ...16:14
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sridhar_ramdgollub: most of the APIs and CLIs has be changed over to "vnf" ..16:15
dgolluboh, perfect. I haven't checked since the summit - just returned from PTO16:15
s3wongdgollub: prior to the talk at the L-Summit, yamahata, sridhar_ram, and I rushed to do a name change16:15
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s3wongdgollub: but absolutely --- if we still have references to servicevm, we should fix them16:16
s3wongdgollub: thanks for your input16:16
s3wongSo... item #1: monitoring driver16:16
bobhwould it make sense to work on the default tacker.conf file to make it easier to see what needs to be configured?16:16
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s3wongbobh: absolutely16:17
bobhIt was not obvious at first glance which sections are important and what the values should be16:17
sridhar_rambobh: agree, it is currently based on neutron.conf .. is it messy!16:17
s3wongbobh: for the demo, we only have "default"16:17
sridhar_rambobh: we should clean that up16:17
s3wongbobh: such as heat driver, or the ssh config driver :-)16:18
bobhlittle things like that :-)16:18
s3wongbobh: I agree that we should put together a tacker.conf16:18
s3wonganyone wants to get started on this?16:19
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sridhar_rams3wong: I can give it a shot16:19
s3wongsridhar_ram: cool16:19
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i can help too if needed16:20
s3wong#action sridhar_ram and sripriya will take the first crack on tacker.conf to clarify what components can be16:20
sridhar_ramsripriya: sure, we can discuss this, thanks!16:20
bobhsridhar_ram: me too16:20
s3wong#action and bobh also (on tacker.conf)16:21
s3wongvery good, thanks guys!16:21
sridhar_rambobh: thanks, we can sync up over a patchset and colloborate16:21
bobhsridhar_ram: Sounds good16:21
s3wongItem #2: Monitoring16:22
s3wong(sorry, updating the etherpad as I go)16:23
s3wongcurrently, there is NO driver/plugin framework for monitoring16:23
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melishaDid you already have some alternatives in mind?16:23
s3wongin fact, all we did was integrating what prashant wrote (ping thread every 5 seconds) and do it as connectivity check16:24
s3wongmelisha: well, at the very least we need to make it a driver interface; but as we talked about during the summit, in addition to health, monitoring should also do performance monitoring16:25
melishaOK. We are now in the process of evaluating a monitoring service.16:25
melishaWe want something to be good for both HW and SW16:25
s3wongmelisha: and for that, for sure, this should be VNF specific as well as some common things16:25
dgollubmelisha: do you already have a certain interface in mind? (don't know what ETSI NFV is refering to here .. I'm new to the monitoring aspect)16:25
melishas3wong: so we are now talking only on the driver?16:26
sridhar_rammelisha: s3wong: we need some default VNF / VIM level monitoring that is not VNF specific16:26
bobhMaybe start with something simple like remote port monitoring16:26
s3wongmelisha: so in essence, we need to be able to plug in multiple drivers a la ML2 in Neutron16:26
bobhmay need to monitor a VM or also monitor via a proxy like an EMS16:26
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sridhar_ramhow about  we write a blueprint in the tacker-specs repo for Tacker Health Monitoring16:27
s3wongbobh: we need both the framework to allow vendor/VNF plugins, and reference implementation16:27
s3wongsridhar_ram: I agree16:27
melishasridhar_ram: I agree16:27
sridhar_ramwe can discuss all these options in gerritt and pick the best approach16:27
s3wongI think since this is a redesign, we should treat it as a new feature16:27
sridhar_rams3wong: agree16:28
bobhs3wong: I agree.  Need to be able to have multiple different monitors in the same VNF16:28
s3wongso we should go through the normal OpenStack process for bp and spec16:28
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dgollubI hope ETSI NFV has a answer to monitoring .. like netconf/yang for config stuff.16:28
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dgollubAnd in the end we have one set of well established driver for monitoring and config which work for several vendor VNFs16:28
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s3wongdgollub: while it is great to have --- but different VNF has very different monitoring parameters, not sure if ETSI can standardize that easily16:29
dgollubso if there are others vendors out there interested not spinning their own vendor-specific thing ... let me know16:29
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dgollubwhat ETSI NFV seems to do is they just mention some random interface/protocols in the appendinx .. and the industry takes that as granted. Like netconf/yang and tosca and Heat and such things16:30
sridhar_ramIMO ETSI NFV is an architectural framework and it is not as prescriptive in these areas16:30
dgollubIdeally we just lead the industry with a good multi-vendor driver implementaiton -as referene16:30
bobhsome standard EMS interfaces may be useful - SNMP, JMS, etc for monitoring alarms and performance metrics16:30
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s3wongdgollub: +1 --- I think in Tacker we will start with some vendor agnostic things16:31
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s3wongbobh: agreed, narrow down to a set of common denominators, and start from there16:32
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sridhar_rams3wong: yeah, some default monitoring + config methids (like config driver) which can be augmented by VNF specific .. will be good approach for Tacker16:33
s3wongSo... anyone interested in taking the first crack at monitoring framework?16:33
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prashants3wong : I can get started on it16:33
s3wongsridhar_ram: certainly. we definitely need to enhance what we have now16:33
bobhI'm willing to help16:33
s3wongprashant: nice16:33
s3wongbobh: great16:33
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s3wongbobh, prashant: so as we talked about before, this is a new feature, so we need a bp and a spec for discussion. Let's start with that16:34
s3wong#action bobh and prashant will start to look at the monitoring framework for Tacker16:35
s3wongbobh, prashant: thanks, guys!16:35
s3wongNext item (#3): config driver refactoring16:35
s3wongconfig driver is actually a driver interface now, but there are certain things that need enhancement16:36
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sridhar_rams3wong: i think basic thing we need to facilitate here is config-drive support16:37
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s3wonga.) while undoubtedly you guys were impressed with our ability to recover the config upon reboot; that config in txt format was store as a string in DB16:37
sridhar_ramcurrently we have a openwrt / ssh based config support16:37
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s3wong256 characters, I believe :-)16:37
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s3wongsridhar_ram: agreed, a bit of a hack to get things going16:38
sridhar_ramconfig-drive support is lowest common denomintor, IMO16:38
dgollub#info dgollub works on a usecase document for the OpenStack TelcoWorking group for VNF bring-up /instantiation - so the VNF vendor get some OpenStack VNF reference to agree on16:38
s3wongdgollub: thanks16:39
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sridhar_ramdgollub: cool, i briefly talked Steve Gordan and he suggest to that do. Thanks!16:39
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dgollubI would be interested in some mix of config-drive for the initial bring up .. and later (optionally) more detailed managed via netconf/yang in case someone wants to run those VNFs without SDN controller or so16:40
sridhar_ramdgollub: agree, we shd start with a simpler config-drive for the initial iteration..16:41
s3wongsridhar_ram, dgollub: are you guys signing up for the task?16:41
sridhar_raminteraction with EMS and other southbounds like netconf/yang or SNMP needs further discussion16:41
s3wongsridhar_ram: you too?16:41
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sridhar_ramsripriya: are you interested to pitch in here ?16:42
s3wongsridhar_ram: yes, we can iterate and enhance as we go16:42
sripriyas3wong: i can help backed by sridhar_ram16:42
s3wongsripriya: cool, thanks16:42
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s3wong#action dgollub, sripriya with sridhar_ram's help to start looking at config driver and using config-drive as reference16:43
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s3wongNext item: TOSCA integration with Heat-Translator16:44
s3wongcurrently Tacker has a built-in interpreter of TOSCA16:44
sridhar_rams3wong: this is critical and very important for Tacker!16:44
s3wongafter we wrote it, we found that (during the summit) Heat already has a functional TOSCA to Heat translator16:45
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s3wongand apparently, via the ML, Murano will have an interpreter as well16:45
dgollubwe should drive some effort that we all maintain only one interpreter/translator16:46
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s3wongso, for the demo, we took the liberty and added some private tags (like service_type) in our TOSCA files16:46
sridhar_rams3wong:  heat-translator used to be stackforge project and it got accepted into python-healtclient16:46
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s3wongsridhar_ram: OK16:46
s3wongdgollub: +1 --- one of our main objective in Tacker is to NOT reinvent the wheel16:47
bobhsridhar_ram: so it should be easy to incorporate via references to heat client?16:47
sridhar_ramtransition to heat-translator is little easier to chew for the initial iteration16:47
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sridhar_ramthere are heat-translator APIs the tacker can invoke to feed the TOSCA and get a HOT template16:48
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dgollubanyone knows if there already exists TOSCA code in Murano? If there isn't any woring code yet, we might should just ignore it?16:48
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I haven't look at the heat-translator. But we do want existing functions to remain working once we move there. Can it do everything we need?16:49
melishasridhar_ram: heat-translator is not just a client thing? It exposes APIs?16:49
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sridhar_ramdgollub: we should plan to discuss Murano integration with some decent time to discuss. Shall we take that up for next week's IRC meeting Agenda?16:50
s3wongdgollub: doesn't sound like it. Vahid from IBM volunteered to do it, so it seems to me they don't have anything yet16:50
s3wongsridhar_ram: yes :-) I think we have enough tasks as is :-)16:50
sridhar_rammelisha: it offers APIs as well16:51
dgollublet's discuss it next week - I met the PLT at the summit and told them about tacker. I'm going to invite him for the next IRC meeting if you like16:51
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s3wongsridhar_ram: though if you remember, the AT&T folks expressed interest on helping us with Murano integration16:51
dgollubMurano PLT ...16:51
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s3wongsridhar_ram: don't think they are here...16:51
s3wongdgollub: that would be great. Please do16:52
sridhar_rams3wong: dgollub: Absolutely, Murano is very important for us16:52
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dgollubSo lets have a Murnano agenda thing for next weeks meeting16:52
sridhar_rambut we need to put some thought and discuss that option..16:52
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s3wongsridhar_ram: so, are you going to look into heat-translator?16:52
s3wongdgollub: sure, will add that for next week's agenda16:53
sridhar_ramhowever .. transition from in-built translation to heat-translator is a smaller task16:53
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sridhar_rams3wong: yes, i'm interested in heat-translator integration16:53
dgollubI have concerns that Murano gets to big ... if they do TOSCA, orchestration, .... it becomes more and more HEAT + catalogue16:53
s3wongdgollub: yeah, Murano then becomes OpenStack MANO :-)16:54
sridhar_ramdgollub: that is my concern as well.. we depending too much on the *big* Murano.. it should be one of the options :)16:54
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s3wong#action sridhar_ram to look into heat-translator migration in Tacker16:54
sridhar_ramtime check .. we have just 5 more mins on the clocks16:54
s3wongalright, we will also move HA discussion to next week16:55
s3wong#topic Open Discussion16:55
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s3wonganything else to discuss?16:55
sridhar_ramquick update on tacker-horizon repo16:55
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sridhar_ramthe stackforge creation request is still pending on the openstack-infra team16:56
dgollub - - are those the repos with the latest code? (At least the repo description still holds service-vm traces)16:56
s3wongdgollub: yes16:56
sridhar_ramdgollub: there is also for blueprints16:57
s3wongdgollub: will need to sweep through the servicevm references and change them16:57
dgollubAre those also the repos where you did the mass-renaming already? There is only one change since the summit16:57
s3wongdgollub: we did the name change before the summit16:57
dgollubs3wong: ok cool - especially the repo description - this is something I can't change with a gerrit request I guess16:57
sridhar_ramdgollub: we are changing the servicevm --> vnf nomenclature as we go.. will keep doing it :)16:57
s3wongdgollub: but obviously not all references :-)16:57
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s3wongI think we should look into unit test. All these time we were cranking out functions, and did all testing on devstack.16:57
s3wongbut Tacker by nature is a bit difficult to have "unit test", well --- at least the API and DB should have them16:58
dgollub+1 ... when I want to start hacking on a project the first thing I try is if the unit tests all pass ... if not -> bad first impression16:58
s3wongI will take a look at that (as it is just grunt work, so I don't want to subject new contributors to those) :-)16:58
dgollubI can help with that16:59
s3wongdgollub: wow, cool. Thanks!16:59
s3wongOK, time is almost up, anything else?16:59
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s3wongThanks, everyone. Especially thanks for all those who agreed to do work. Talk to you guys next week17:00
sridhar_rami think we are good!17:00
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sridhar_rambye tacker team!17:00
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s3wongany question, don't hesitate to contact us on #tacker17:00
s3wongsee you guys next week17:00
bobhbye - thanks17:01
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dkranzWho is here today?17:02
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dkranzok, not too many folks today, so let's get started17:03
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dkranz#topic specs reviews17:04
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dkranzI put in a link to the tempest plugin spec17:04
dkranzThis is one of the big issues out of the summit for dealing with "big tent"17:04
dkranzDoes any one have any comments about that?17:05
dkranzok mtreinish I think will get to that when he gets back17:06
dkranzAny other specs to bring up?17:06
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dkranzok, any blueprints to discuss?17:06
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dkranzsdague, dtroyer : Anything to say about devstack or grenade today?17:07
sdagueonly a little17:08
dkranzsdague: ok17:09
sdagueI've got some grenade out of tree plugin support up in a review, it's really rought17:09
sdaguethe sahara, heat, and ironic folks are looking at using it17:09
sdaguebut my plate was full with other things this week, so I haven't made much progress on moving that forward yet17:09
sdaguegoal is L1 to get it all sorted though17:09
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dkranzsdague: sure. Have you heard anything from manila? They were interested in the tempest plugin17:10
cdentI'm hoping to join ceilometer to the grenade plugin party soon, but still warming up post-summit17:10
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dkranzcdent: great17:10
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sdaguedkranz: I have not17:10
cdentrelated to that I'm officially the ceilo qa liaison now which should change nothing as I was effectively it already17:11
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dkranzcdent: ok, good to know17:11
dkranzsdague: I will check with mkoderer17:11
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dkranzsdague: while you are here, any suggestions on how we can get the tempest periodic jobs working?17:11
dkranzsdague: they have been busted for a month17:11
sdaguedkranz: I don't know, I haven't looked at why they are broken17:12
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sdagueand am unlikely to dive into it any time soon17:12
dkranzsdague: I asked in the infra channel but no one really responded and Matt said he had inquired as well17:12
dkranzsdague: I know, but it is an infra issue17:12
sdaguedo you know what's wrong with them?17:12
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dkranzsdague: They all fail with a missing directory.17:12
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dkranzsdague: But the jobs seem to run on the experimental queue ok17:12
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dkranzsdague: there is something about periodic and I think tempest may be the only  project with such jobs17:13
dkranzsdague: I'll provide more details and send something to the infra list17:13
dkranzsdague: thanks17:14
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dkranzDoes any one have anything else to discuss today?17:14
dkranzhogepodge: anything on the defcore side?17:14
hogepodgeWe have a new dev who's going to look at the flagged tests17:14
hogepodgeParticularly glance images right now.17:15
dkranzhogepodge: yeah, have you looked at the boot-from-volume issue?17:15
dkranzhogepodge: there seems to be some lack of clarity about whether booting from glance is required17:15
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hogepodgedkranz: I haven't looked at much of anything since Vancouver.17:15
dkranzhogepodge: ok :)17:15
hogepodgedkranz: ok. I'll look into it.17:16
dkranzhogepodge: seems long ago already17:16
hogepodgeIf you have any links, I can get up to speed.17:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1436314 in tempest "Option to boot VM only from volume is not available" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Soumit (soumit-mishra)17:16
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dkranzhogepodge: the question is whether tempest should be able to run against a cloud that has boot-from-volume only17:17
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dkranzhogepodge: right now there is a test that does boot from volume, but the image tests assume you can boot from an image17:17
hogepodgedkranz: ok.17:17
dkranz#topic Open Discussion17:18
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dkranzAnything else some one wants to discuss?17:18
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hogepodgeI'm going to write up a post proposing what it means to be an interop test.17:19
sdagueno, I'm good, just digging out and figuring all the things I signed up for17:19
dkranzsdague: :)17:19
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dkranzhogepodge: that would be helpful17:19
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hogepodgeJust my point of view to try and be strategic about how we can create better api consistency across clouds.17:19
dkranzhogepodge: I still have this idea that we should be able to say that all of tempest is interoperable except for some tests we flag as not17:20
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hogepodgedkranz: there are issues with assumptions, though.17:20
dkranzhogepodge: and then defcore could specify what tempest config should say rather than listing tests17:20
hogepodgedkranz: If I want to test cloud x for interop, is it reasonable to force me to have access to two tenants?17:21
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dkranzhogepodge: I would say that if there is an api that requires two tenants to test it, then yes.17:21
dkranzhogepodge: and there are such apis17:22
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dkranzhogepodge: I think is we have the idea that interoperability is to be verified, we have to do that. What is the alternative?17:23
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hogepodgedkranz: depends on what you define as interoperability.17:24
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dkranzhogepodge: I assumed it was "this api can be used on any cloud that is OpenStack(TM)"17:24
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hogepodgedkranz: all apis will lose in practice. A subset, with expected behaviors, but with possible implementation differences is better.17:24
hogepodgedkranz: I just want to know if an application will run.17:25
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dkranzhogepodge: an application will run if it uses apis that are interoperable17:25
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dkranzhogepodge: I really don't understand. If an api is not working, then it is something that we declare to be non-interop, or there is a bug17:26
hogepodgedkranz: that's not the issue. The issue is some tests assume you have more access to resources than would be reasonable to expect.17:26
dkranzhogepodge: anyway, I'll take a look at your doc when it is ready17:26
hogepodgedkranz: I want to limit the max knowledge you need to have. Ideally, endpoint and credentials are all you should need.17:27
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hogepodgedkranz: we don't live anywhere in that world, though.17:27
dkranzhogepodge: I agree, but there may need to be two. There can certainly be real applications involving vms from more than one tenant17:27
ekarlsowhile it's a meeting not to be rude but can I ask for a review +A and a release ?17:28
ekarlsoof tempest lib17:28
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dkranzekarlso: which one?17:28
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ekarlso < been nagging about it for days and it's blocking designate's QA patches17:28
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dkranzekarlso: ok, I'll look right after the meeting17:29
ekarlsodkranz: we need a release also to use it..17:29
ekarlsopretty please !17:29
dkranzekarlso: right17:29
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dkranzekarlso: I am not sure I can do a release. mtreinish has been doing them I think17:30
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dkranzekarlso: he is on Japan time this week17:30
dkranzAnything else to discuss, or reviews needed?17:30
dkranzhogepodge: please let me know when your document is available. I'd like to see your thoughts17:31
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dkranzok, so we will end early today17:31
dkranzthanks every one17:32
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dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 19:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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dtroyerAnyone here?19:01
sigmavirus24I don't have anything to talk about, but I'm here19:01
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dtroyerping: stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng19:01
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dtroyerthe agenda is at
dtroyer#topic open items19:02
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dtroyerThere were actually some from last week19:03
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dtroyerthe first is the volume v2, which Amey is making great progress on19:03
dtroyernot much else to say there19:03
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dtroyerthe second is about, which IIRC is addressed in cliff by
openstackLaunchpad bug 1459519 in cliff "ERROR: openstack 'ArgumentParser' object has no attribute 'debug'" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Howe (thowe-g)19:04
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dtroyerthat's approved and probably needing a re-kick in gerrit after the restart19:05
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dtroyerthat leaves the osc-plugin to cookiecutter conversion, which I have not started yet19:06
terrylhowethat solves the issue and then we get the pbr incompatibilty errror19:06
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dtroyerterrylhowe: do you know if the lib/dep releases this week will have changed that?19:07
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terrylhowemaybe I just need to upgrade stevedore and the oslo package19:08
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dtroyerlet's see where that falls out, it should probably hit before we actually get the release out so hopefully if it's broken we can still fix it...19:10
dtroyerwhich brings us to19:10
dtroyer#topic releases19:10
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dtroyerWe had started the week intending for a quick 1.3.1 release to fix some bugs jamielennox had to support devstack using only identity v319:11
dtroyerthat turned into implementing ec2 credentials v3 commands and a couple of other things, so 1.4.0 is next19:11
dtroyeras soon as one last fix gets through the gate19:11
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dtroyerthere was also a dependency on updating keystoneclients in global-requirements, which is now merged19:12
* stevemar sneaks in late19:12
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dtroyerso unless there is something else, I'll do 1.4.0 this afternoon19:13
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stevemardtroyer, we need to update osc reqs too19:13
stevemarthis guy:
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dtroyeroh, right.  both ksc and occ?19:13
stevemarrechecking him now19:13
stevemaroh right occ too19:14
stevemarthat pesky bot doesn't update often enough :)19:14
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stevemarthe bot didn't propose an update to occ, curiously enough19:15
dtroyerif there isn't a depends-on in the commit message, don't recheck yet until 188417 is merged19:15
stevemaroh, partly because the occ is just merging now.....19:15
dtroyerthe cliff re-kick dhellmann just did failed on the osc job, likely because of that19:15
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dtroyersigh, this must be what living inside a JSON serializer is like19:16
stevemarcan we chat about the osc-plugin cookie cutter?19:16
stevemarif you're done with this topic19:16
dtroyerif we're done with the release, sure.  I'm done19:16
dtroyerstevemar: go for it19:17
stevemarjust wondering if we want another repo for this stuff, and what exactly will go in it19:17
stevemarosc-plugin or osc-base19:17
stevemarsomething the other plugin based CLIs can import, with not much bloat19:17
dtroyerthat's what the cookiecutter is for, do you mean a working plugin repo?19:18
stevemarso they can get the utils (key-value parser, finding domain stuff, test things...)19:18
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dtroyeroh, right19:18
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dhellmannso maybe split those things out of osc and make a new lib that can be used by osc and the plugins?19:18
stevemara lot of them have just been copying and pasting the entire file over, or req'ing on OSC (way too big)19:19
stevemaryes dhellmann, that's what i meant :)19:19
dhellmannew, no, we don't want either of those approaches -- yeah, let's figure out what should go into a lib19:19
dtroyerI'm still not convinced that another repo/package is the right thing to do there, is doing some sort of conditional import an option?19:19
stevemarconditional imports are dirty19:19
dtroyerif not osc-lib (or similar) is a good second for me19:19
stevemara small shared lib wouldn't hurt19:19
stevemarimo anyway19:20
dhellmannif we don't want a new repo, we need to consider part of osc a lib and lock down its api with good tests so we can tell plugin authors its safe to import it19:20
stevemarbah, no we did that in ksc and it's uggo19:20
dhellmannI can see pros/cons to both approaches19:20
dtroyerdhellmann: I hope to do that with some parts anyway, but we don't want OSc in a requirements.txt anywhere to do that19:20
dhellmannbut, yeah, being explicit about the lib contents by putting them into a lib is my preference19:20
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dhellmanndtroyer: how will plugins indicate which versions of osc they work with?19:21
dhellmannor vice versa19:21
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dtroyerthe plugin interface is unversioned atm, so that should probably happen19:21
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stevemarsilly q, why would versioning be an issue, arent they just entry points?19:22
dtroyeryes, but there still are requirements on what needs to be implemented behind those entrypoints19:22
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stevemardtroyer, i'll have some time next week to fiddle around with osc-lib (or whatever we call it)19:23
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dtroyerso it sounds like we're all close enough to go in the osc-lib direction19:23
stevemarexpect an etherpad, and i might move things in osc proper around19:23
stevemari think it'll really help the folks who are doing osc plugin based CLIs19:24
dtroyerstevemar: sounds good.  I'm actually taking time off starting next Thursday and all of the following week19:24
stevemari dont want to put too many requirements in there at all19:24
stevemarpfft, slacker19:24
stevemari'll be at cloud identity summit next week19:24
stevemarso far i'll know no one there, yippie, lots of hacking time19:24
dtroyerthat's what bar-time is for19:25
stevemarthats all i really wanted to talk about19:25
stevemarand amey is kicking ass with cinder commands19:25
terrylhoweyeh, I can hardly keep up19:26
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dtroyer#agreed stevemar will start investigating and prototyping osc-lib for use by external plugins19:26
stevemarterrylhowe, you get an honorable mention for functional tests too :)19:26
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stevemari'm also pumped to see if jamie can pull off a v3 only devstack19:27
dtroyerthat'll be interesting…19:27
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dtroyerlooks like just merged, so other osc jobs should pass again19:28
stevemarwe should probably do a bug sweep, and an old review sweep19:28
stevemari'll do those soonish19:28
stevemari might ask for 2nd opinions19:28
dtroyerthat's a good idea19:29
dtroyerblueprints too19:29
dtroyerspeaking of which,19:29
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dtroyerthe only one I just remembered that we should mention is
stevemarthey have code too19:30
stevemarand adjusted their bp to meet our vague handwavey reqs19:30
stevemari like that19:30
dtroyerI havent looked closely yet, so that's good to hear19:30
stevemaryeah the bp was updated based on summit feedback19:31
stevemarand the code looks decent too19:31
stevemarits still marked in WIP i think?19:31
stevemaryes, it is:
terrylhowelooks like a good start19:32
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stevemaranyone want to take a look at that? even if it's WIP?19:34
dtroyerthat's good to hear.  I was a bit worried about what they wanted until we talked to them in YVR19:35
dtroyerI don't think I'll have time to look before I go19:35
terrylhoweit needs a lot of work still19:35
stevemarwork is okay :P19:36
dtroyergetting them the right feedback early would be helpful19:36
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dtroyerany other blueprints?19:36
stevemarnot blueprints, but one more issue19:37
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stevemarwe had this come up on the mailing list:
stevemarand it looks like they took my suggestion to heart, now we have
stevemarsigmavirus24, maybe you know more about this stuff?19:38
dtroyerI don't know how I feel about —or-update19:38
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stevemardoes glanceclient allow for many images with the same name?19:38
sigmavirus24Yes it does19:39
dtroyerthe fill-in-a-reservation-slot was intentional, the it also-replaces-existing-images I don't think was, on my part at least19:39
sigmavirus24Names are not unique19:39
dtroyerso to clarify, is he talking about replacing an image not creating a new one, ie the same UUID?19:39
sigmavirus24Pretty sure they were talking only about name19:39
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dtroyerbecause I'm not sure we should want that19:40
sigmavirus24"if image with *name* specified for create already existed"19:40
terrylhowecreate should create.  not update19:40
sigmavirus24== terrylhowe19:40
sigmavirus24unless the service has non-unique names19:40
sigmavirus24unless the service has unique names19:40
sigmavirus24brain gas19:40
stevemarin osc (for image create only), we (for some reason) check to see if the image name already exists, and if does, then we do an update19:41
stevemari don't like that ^19:41
dtroyerso I think I need to actually play wiht this to make sure I understand what is going on.  either way, I don't hear support for an —or-update option19:41
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stevemari think we'll have to break the existing behaviour19:42
dtroyerthat's to support the reservation thingy, but checking on name is probably wrong19:42
stevemarand let create do just that19:42
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dtroyerso I hear this: create should only create new images (UUIDs), modulo the reserved image behaviour, which is not what I think this is about19:44
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stevemari think so19:46
dtroyer#info the desired behaviour of 'image create' in re is to create new images and allow duplicate names19:46
dtroyerok, moving on19:47
dtroyer#topic bugs19:47
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stevemargah, i can't believe it's done that way :(19:47
dtroyerI don't know how many times I've said that about glance stuffs19:48
dtroyerany other bugs to discuss here?19:48
sigmavirus24"you're welcome"?19:48
stevemarnone else from me19:48
terrylhowenothing here19:49
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dtroyer#open discussion19:50
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terrylhoweI wanted to ask about a OSC “config show” command19:50
dtroyerwhat else is on our colective minds?19:50
terrylhowewas there a review on that or did I dream that?19:50
terrylhoweWas there something in OCC to support printing the configuration maybe?19:50
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dtroyeryou may be dreaming about my osc-debug plugin that does all sorts of stuff, including dumping out auth and other info19:51
terrylhowethis would be convenient for testing OCC, env and cli opts19:51
dtroyersome of which should either get intot he main repo or an official debug-like plugin19:51
dtroyeryup, that's why I wrote it ;)19:51
terrylhowemaybe that is what I was looking at19:51
dtroyersome of it though is also the kind of stuff that might be too much rope for some users, one reason I was hesitant to put it in the main repo19:52
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dtroyerexposing passwords and whatnot19:52
terrylhowethat’s all.  I’ll just look at that some more.19:52
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dtroyerbe aware that if you load osc-debug, it'll really slow down your startup times.  I don't leave it install all the time19:53
dtroyerI haven't looked at why it is so bad yet19:54
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dtroyeranything else?19:54
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dtroyerwe have a whole five minutes to recover if not19:55
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dtroyerok, thanks everyone!19:55
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mikalShall we start?21:00
mikal#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 21:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at
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mikalOk, so who is around for a nova meeting?21:00
mikalabhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal: ping21:01
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mikal#topic Release Status21:01
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mikalOk, so John emailed out a set of Liberty deadlines and dates last night21:01
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mikalSome of those dates are proposed and open for discussion21:01
mikalFor example, there is a spec review day proposed21:02
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mikalSo, I'd encourage people with thoughts on that to just reply to his email instead of discussing it here21:02
mikalJohn also wanted to remind reviewers and sub-teams about the priority tracking etherpad21:02
mikalAt the moment it has trivial bugs on it mostly, but we'd like to see priorities add things for review as they become ready21:03
mikali.e. what we did in kilo, but in a new etherpad21:03
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dansmithsome of the priority owners are already on top of that21:03
dansmithlike that upgrades guy21:03
bauzasyeah johnthetubaguy recently added it21:03
bauzashe moved the scheduler section on top21:04
mikalYeah, the ordering of the page is a bit odd to me too21:04
mikalLike, having the trivial bugs in the middle21:04
mikalBut whatevers, at least we're tracking _something_21:04
bauzasmikal: prios first, then trivial bugs, then subteams which are not priority21:04
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mikalOh, I see21:04
sdaguedansmith: I can list my blog post for review :)21:04
mikalThat makes sense21:04
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dansmithsdague: well, if you have nothing else to show for work, I guess :)21:05
mikalSo I guess in all that, the most obvious thing to remind people of is that there is a spec approval deadline at liberty-1, which isn't that far away21:05
mikalSo reviewers and authors of specs need to be on the ball there21:05
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sdaguedansmith: better watch out or I'll sign you up for writing a ton of english21:06
mikalThere is also a nova-specs review out to document the priorities, but it just matches the summit so no surprises there21:06
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tonybmikal: Are we going to have an international specs review day again?21:06
dansmithsdague: you *know* I will be glad to nit out all your typos, you just told me to hold off :)21:06
mikaltonyb: so, what's happened in the past is we declare a date and the follow the sun with it21:07
bauzastonyb: June 12th is proposed21:07
sdagueedleafe already signed up, I just need to apply his edits21:07
mikaltonyb: i.e. June 12th we'd all spend in our local timezone21:07
dansmithsdague: I know that comment this morning was really prefixed with "dansmith: " :)21:07
tonybAhh I missed that date21:07
mikaltonyb: that's from John's email that happened over night21:07
tonybmikal, bauzas: Thanks21:07
mikaltonyb: so, its understandable if you haven't seen it yet21:07
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mikalOk, next...21:07
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mikalJohn has also gone mad with power and is attempting to document all the action items from summit sessions21:08
mikalIt is a very very long list21:08
mikalAnd I don't think he's done every session yet21:08
mikalSo, if you think you had an action item from the summit, or that you tricked dansmith into having an action item, it might be worth checking21:08
bauzasmikal: he said tonight that he was done21:08
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mikalOh really?21:09
sdagueyeh, he did the big push today to get it pulled together21:09
mikalSo, the other thing is if you have 47 action items, now would be a good time to be honest about how much you can get done in a single cycle21:09
mriedemwhew, only 4621:09
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mikalThis johnthetubaguy person has way too many things for example21:09
sdagueyeh, I think that's my only concern on the action plan. johnthetubaguy has way too many things on that list21:09
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mikalSo, I think we could volunteer to rescue him if we wanted21:10
mikalUnless watching him drown is funnier21:10
dansmithI'm quite sure he'll delegate some of those things21:10
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mikalSo that moves us on to non-spec blueprint discussion unless there's anything else to cover here first21:11
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mikalAnything on dates, deadlines, action items, etc etc?21:11
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mikalOk, moving on21:11
mikal#topic Non-spec blueprints21:11
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mikalFirst off, there is a request for the vmware console thing to get a trivial approval21:11
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sdagueno API change right?21:12
mikalSound of crickets21:12
mikalI don't think there's one21:12
mikalAnyone from vmware around to talk to this?21:13
mriedemthe old change
sdagueif so I say fine21:13
tjones1yes i am here21:13
mriedemit's pretty small21:13
mriedemcan be tested with tempest once it's in21:13
tjones1rado is in europe so he is alseep21:13
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mikalIt complicates vmware deploys, but in a way which doesn't worry anyone else21:13
mriedemlooks fine21:13
mikalSo I think I am ok with it21:13
mikalDoes anyone oppose a trivial approval?21:14
tonybmikal: seems okay to me.21:14
alaskiif it implements existing apis I'm good with it21:14
cfriesenI just posted for review as requested by johnthetubaguy....that's dropping support for booting multiple instances in one REST API call.  It's mostly there as a place for having the discussion about whether or not we should do it at all.21:14
mriedemi'd only ask if it requires a min version of vcenter21:14
mriedembut that could be handled in the review21:14
mikalOk, approved21:14
mikalcfriesen: that sounds like open discussion at the end please21:15
bauzascfriesen: open discussion21:15
mikalI hope I did the approval right, we shall see21:15
mikalThe other thing I wanted to discuss is config drive for PCS21:15
mikalSo I realized yesterday that they want to add a new format for config drives21:15
mikalNamely ext421:15
mikalWhich worries me because I worry that operators and users will then expect other hypervisors to support ext3 as a config drive format21:16
mikalParrallels Cloud Server21:16
mikalA parallels container thingie21:16
mikalext4 would be hard for say hyper-v to support21:16
dansmithmikal: is there a reason not to support vfat or iso9660?21:16
mriedemyou mean virtuozzo21:16
dansmithbecause yeah21:16
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mikalThe problem being that PCS only supports ext4 filesystems21:16
alexpilottiyep, I’d -1 on ext421:16
dansmithyeah, me too21:16
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alexpilottiit’s not about Hyper-V, it’s about Windows images21:17
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alexpilottirunning on whatever hypervisor21:17
mikalYeah, they'd point out PCS can't use windows images, but I think we need to maintain a coherant set of options for all drivers here21:17
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sdaguealexpilotti: but those aren't going to run on PCS21:17
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sdagueI'm not sure I get why it's an issue, config drive generation is completely hidden inside of nova, and can be specific per hypervisor right?21:18
mikalSo, if people don't think I'm totally bonkers I might just start a mail thread about it21:18
mikalsdague: config drive is consumed by the instance21:18
mikalsdague: so if instances start assuming things about the filesystem21:18
mikalsdague: then that leaks across to other drivers21:18
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dansmithyep, wouldn't want kvm to start exposing ext3 config drives21:18
mikalsdague: i.e. say a tiny linux instance which doesn't want to include iso9660 or vfat support21:18
alexpilottiI’m perfectly fine, just asking not to implement it where Windows images are supported21:18
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mikalSo the filesystem format is currently an admin falg21:19
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mikalSo I think the counter argument is that users are just used to getting whatever they're handed21:19
mikalAnd probably don't think about it much21:19
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sdagueyeh, I'd be really surprised if they care21:20
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tonybHow is this different to an ephemeral disk wheer we only support ext* and xfs?21:20
dansmithtonyb: the guest owns the ephemeral21:20
mikalYeah, the config drive is populated by us and then handed over, its a data transmission format21:20
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mikalSo, this now sounds like a mailing list thread to me21:21
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mikalUnless anyone hates that plan21:21
sdagueML thread sounds right21:21
dansmithI hate it, but that's fine21:21
mikal#topic Stuck spec reviews21:21
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mikalSo there is this placeholder heading where I think I am meant to ask about stuck spec reviews21:21
mikalWhere stuck probably means "we will never agree in the review"21:22
mikalSo, any of those?21:22
mriedemwe all agree all the time21:22
* cfriesen snickers21:22
mikalMoving on then before someone argues against that statement21:23
mikal#topic Stable branch status21:23
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mikalThe agenda says we're fine?21:23
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mikalSounds like we are...21:23
mikal#topic Gate status21:23
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mikalWhat is our current doom factor?21:23
mriedemit's fine21:24
mikal#topic Critical bugs21:24
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mriedembugs are fine21:24
mikalEven in novaclient?21:24
mriedemwe released novaclient 2.26.0 yesterday with great success21:24
mikalOh, look at that21:24
mikalSo that's nice21:24
mriedemwhich deprecated the volume crap21:25
mikalFine then21:25
mikal#topic Open Discussion21:25
bauzaszero too21:25
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mikalcfriesen: you had a thing?21:25
mrdaNothing critical in the Ironic driver, fwiw21:25
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cfriesenyeah, not critical, but there was a request for a spec to have a discussion around removing support for min_count and max_count from booting instances21:25
cfriesenso I wrote something up21:25
mikalcfriesen: cool, I will take a look later today21:26
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mikalIn other news, there is some talk of the M mid-cycle being in Europe somewhere21:26
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mikalI think John is looking for thoughts on if that's a terrible idea or a fantastic idea21:26
dansmithI probably won't be there if so :(21:27
alexpilottimikal: +121:27
sdaguefine by me21:27
neiljerramNot sure how to comment on that.... but I'm in Europe, and it's quite nice sometimes.21:27
edleafe+1 to the idea, but I probably couldn't make it21:27
mikalSo, I think people should tell John that21:27
mikalEspecially if they think its a problem21:27
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alaskiseems like a good idea, but I can't say whether or not I could make it21:27
neiljerramI guess it depends if Nova folk are very predominantly outside Europe.21:28
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bauzasit is also about costs21:28
mikalI think that's true21:28
jlvillalLow cost area is good.  Prague, Budapest, Bucharest :)21:28
mikalAnd my impression is that Europe is generally more expensive for more people21:28
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mriedemi won't be there, but it's a decent idea21:29
bauzasI can try to see for some room blocks if possible21:29
anteayabudapest has good chocolatae21:29
alexpilottiwe can happily host it in Transilvania21:29
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bauzas(speaking of Grenoble, by the winter season y'know)21:29
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mikalAnyways, something for people to ponder21:29
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mikalJohn is also surveying people about the time for this meeting21:29
mikalHe sent email, but the punch line is there is a doodle survey21:30
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mikalSo if you care about this meeting it might be a good idea to do one of those21:30
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mikalAlthough obviously I am only saying this to the people who can amke this time21:30
mikalWhich is a bit self-reinforcing21:30
anteayamikal: the email went out too21:30
mikalThe final thing on the agenda is that John also wants bug tag owners to be more active21:31
mikalEither by doing that thing, or by some new people volunteering if people need a break21:31
mikalSo if you're looking to add more bugs to your day, that might be a thing to sign up for21:31
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jlvillalQuestion: As an Ironic liaison.  I am assuming that someone on Nova would tag a bug as Ironic related.  Not our job to look at every Nova bug to figure out if it is Ironic related.21:32
jlvillalIs that correct?21:32
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bauzasjlvillal: yup21:32
mikaljlvillal: correctish21:32
sdaguejlvillal: yes21:32
mikalThe idea is someone is reading incoming bugs and tagging them21:32
bauzasjlvillal: provided someone does that :)21:32
sdagueplease just further triage that tag21:32
* jlvillal Whew!21:32
mikalBut there is nothing stopping you from also doing that thing21:32
sdague currently 29 bugs21:32
* jlvillal thinks, "Only hours in the day..."21:32
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bauzas38 new bugs need triage :)21:33
mikalYeah, so I'd start with those...21:33
mrdasdague: jlvillal and I are working through that21:33
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sdaguemrda: cool, awesome21:33
mikalAnd that's all we have on the agenda21:33
mikalDo people want an Early Mark?21:33
mikalOr shall I waste 27 minutes rantinga bout how my feet are cold?21:33
mikalCause they are21:33
mikalEven with socks21:33
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* jlvillal waits to hear more ;)21:34
mikalDon't encourage me21:34
mrdamikal: ugg boots are the answer :)21:34
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vnod#startmeeting cloudpulse23:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 23:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vnod. Information about MeetBot at
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vnod#topic rollcall23:00
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vnodvnod o/23:01
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pksingh__is this cloudpulse meeting?23:03
vnodwe are waiting for few more folks23:03
pksingh__vnod: ok thanks :)23:04
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vnodhello guys23:05
vnodthis is our first meeting, we will start with some intro23:05
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vnod#topic introduction23:05
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vnodI am Vinod, interested in provide light weight health API to applications and operator23:06
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pradeechPradeep here. interested in getting to know what cloud pulse is, and how useful it will be23:07
Ajay_Ajay here. Interested in monitoring solutions for openstack since i test HA and things break23:07
vnodpksingh what are your areas of interest ?23:08
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pksingh__i basically interseted in how its going to work, means what it is and how will it ork23:08
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vnodhello Jinay23:09
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sdake_hey guys sorry i'm late23:09
JinayJinay here..looking forward to know what cloudpulse is and how useful would it be for HA testing?23:10
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vnodok. thanks guys lets move to announcements23:11
vnod#topic announcements23:11
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vnodwe are starting new project and starting to looking for people to join core team23:11
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sdake_i'm in for the core team23:13
sdake_atleast for 3 month commitment23:13
vnodthanks sdake_23:13
pksingh__vnod: i would like to be part of the core team23:13
vnodthanks pksingh_23:14
vnodthanks pksingh__23:14
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vnod#topic Healthcheck API23:15
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vnodImplement basic API to create test, run test and query result23:15
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sdake_there are probably some blueprints that need to roll out of this23:15
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sdake_that needs to be broken up into seprate blueprints imo23:16
vnodsdake_ agreed,23:17
sdake_i'm thinking at bare minimum a wsme api handler23:17
sdake_i'll take an action to file a blueprint for that23:17
vnodsdake_ thanks23:18
vnodImplement datamodel23:18
vnodI have assigned this to myself23:18
vnodSpells out the db table structure for CRUD operations on the test-data23:19
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sdake_needs multiple blueprints as well23:19
pksingh__sdake_: agreed23:20
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sdake_one of them will be alembic23:20
sdake_i'll take an action to file that blueprint23:20
sdake_vnod type #action sdake file alembic blueprint23:20
sdake_that way I remember later whe nI look at the logs :)23:21
vnod#action sdake file alembic blueprint23:21
vnodand one more for conductor (all write access to db)23:21
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vnodany volunteers for conductor ?23:21
pksingh__vnod: is there any blue print for that23:21
vnodnot yet23:22
pksingh__vnod: i would like to handle this23:22
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sdake_we need another blueprint, the db impelmentation - i'll take that23:22
vnodthanks pksingh__ sdake_23:23
sdake_blueprint title might be db-backend23:23
sdake_vnod use #action sdake to file db-backend blueprint23:23
vnodsdake_ I have started implementation for db and sql-alchemy23:23
sdake_vnod nice, then you take that :)23:23
vnodbased on the datamodel blueprint23:24
sdake_we will need to integrate that with alembic23:24
vnodsdake_ yes23:24
sdake_these should all be separate blueprints23:24
sdake_and use the data model as the master blueprint - launchpad supports dependencies23:24
vnod#action pksingh__ to file conductor23:24
vnodok moving to next blueprint23:24
pksingh__vnod: thanks :)23:25
vnodoperator tests23:25
Ajay_I can work on that Vinod23:25
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vnodthanks Ajay_23:25
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vnod#topic python CLI23:26
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vnodsteven martinelli asked us to python-openstack client23:27
sdake_need a shell and an object implemtnation for each object23:27
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vnodwe need blue prints for that23:27
vnodany volunteers23:27
sdake_i don't know how to tackle that one ;)23:27
sdake_lets integrate with osc clients later?23:27
pradeechI can work on that23:27
sdake_is osc a plugin model or something?23:28
vnodpradeech thanks, can you file a blueprint23:28
sdake_i'd like to have discussion on this point23:28
sdake_does anyone know how osc works23:28
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vnodsdake_ we need to investigate that part, I will leave it to pradeech23:28
pradeechvnod yes. will do it23:28
sdake_wfm ;)23:29
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sdake_anytime someone has an action, #action it :)23:29
sdake_the log will provide a nice way to check actions in the next weekly meeting and check on progress23:30
vnodtype #action pradeech file blueprint openstackclient23:30
sdake_leave out the type part ;)23:30
vnodcopy and paste :)23:30
* sdake_ throws peanuts from the gallery :)23:30
vnod #action pradeech file blueprint openstackclient23:30
vnodok moving to next BP23:31
vnodAPI tests23:31
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stevemarsdake_, dtroyer and i could answer any osc related questions (we can circle back to the topic)23:31
vnodstevemar thanks23:32
sdake_stevemar will do off line - i'm not sure what best practice is with osc, I thought it involved making a python-xyzclient and then integrating that in osc23:32
sdake_stevemar is that not bp?23:32
stevemarsdake_, thats the right idea, i dont want to interrupt you guys, i'll be around when the meeting ends23:32
sdake_now is a good time to discuss it imo :)23:32
sdake_that way there is a record23:33
vnodok. lets do it now23:33
sdake_teach us the wisdom stevemar ;)23:33
sdake_or knowledge rather ;-)23:33
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sdake_stevemar if you could give us a 3-5 minute description of what to do here, that would be fantaistic :)23:34
stevemarsure sure23:34
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stevemarso we're trying to push folks to create osc plugins instead of copying and pasting the that's been going around since novaclient 0.1 :)23:35
stevemaryou would still need to create python-cloudpulseclient23:35
stevemarto perform all the API calls and such, like the other clients23:35
sdake_we have the repo but its empty23:35
stevemarbut instead of bundling your own shell, you can use OSC23:36
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sdake_so osc becomes the shell then?23:36
stevemarthe benefits are 1) we handle authorization, and 2) consistency across all projects23:36
sdake_and we still have a python language binding?23:36
stevemaryes sir23:36
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vnodok, we have some code for cloudpulseclient, it looks like we can reuse it23:36
stevemaryou still create the commands... we can't handle all the commands for all projects23:36
sdake_pradeech did you have any Qs while we are grilling stevemar :)23:37
stevemarbut you just create entry points in setup.cfg and openstackclient is smart enough to pick it up23:37
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pradeechsdake_ I will reach out stevemar after the meeting for any other questions23:37
stevemarcongressclient is using it
sdake_nice thanks for helping us do it right stevemar23:38
pksingh__sorry guys i got disconnected somehow23:38
stevemarzaqar is using it too23:38
sdake_stevemar just as a side note, we probably need to do the same thing with magnum23:38
vnodpksingh__ we are discussing Openstackclient CLI23:38
sdake_we can talk later about taht :)23:38
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stevemarsorry to spam, but a bit more info and real samples...23:38
sdake_spam awa y:)23:39
vnodstevemar thanks for helping out23:39
stevemarheres a sample setup.cfg which indicates the entry points:
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stevemarthose are analogous to 'commands'23:39
stevemarso to run congress_policy_create, you run it as "$ openstack congress policy create"23:39
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stevemarhere's the code it invokes:
stevemarand here's the entire plugin: a whopping 54 lines :)23:40
vnodok got it23:40
sdake_glad we got that on the record23:40
stevemarthe only issue we've hit so far is naming things23:40
sdake_that should help pradeech emmesnly23:40
pradeechthanks stevemar23:40
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stevemarswift came before docker, and they both use the word 'containers', that got icky :(23:41
stevemarbut things can have more than 1 word for a name, like 'security group' or 'access tokens'23:41
stevemarthats just over 5 mintues :)23:41
sdake_nice timebox :)23:42
vnod thanks stevemar, any questions to stevemar, otherwise we can move to next blueprint23:42
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vnodnext blueprint: API tests23:42
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vnodAnand shanmugam volunteered for this, he can't make it (india timezone)23:43
vnodshould be there next week23:43
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sdake_woudl you mind adding an action for him since he communicated it offline23:43
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vnod#action anshanmu file blueprint api-tests23:44
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vnodok, we have covered all blueprints23:44
vnodany questions on blueprints so far ?23:44
sdake_nice time for some beer and peanuts23:44
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vnodall for that23:45
vnod#topic opendiscussion23:45
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sdakeafter we get these blueprints filed, I assume peopel will start working on them?23:45
sdakeor what is the next step23:46
sdakedo they need to be approved first23:46
vnodyes, can we use gerrit review ?23:46
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sdakecool so should wait for approvel from the ptl?23:46
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sdaketypically projects put the blueprint in discussions tate23:46
vnodno any core can approve23:46
sdakepeopel add the whiteboard23:46
sdakebut  Ithink we are in agreement they should be worked on23:47
pksingh__is there any time limit for the implementation?23:47
vnodand we can discuss in IRC23:47
vnodpksingh__ good question23:47
sdaketime liits in open source lol23:47
vnodwe want the basic functionality to be done by Libery L123:47
sdakejune 25th for those watching at home23:47
vnodbut conductor can be added later23:47
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sdakeIMO l2 seems more realistic :)23:47
pksingh__vnod: ok :)23:48
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sdakefor basic functionality23:48
sdakefor this round of blueprints tho, I agree with vnod, l1 is doable lets do it :)23:48
vnodsdake L1 is stretch goal, but lets try the basic functionality23:48
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vnodok any other topic ?23:49
sdakei have quick q23:49
sdakewill we be thinking of adding healthchecking cross-service long term?23:49
sdakeeg, have nova check its own health23:49
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vnodyes. that is covered in the API-tests blue print23:49
sdakewhat I mean is add an api to the nova apis to check its health23:50
sdakenot rely on existing apis23:50
sdakesomeone from the community had this idea onthe ml23:50
sdakeand I think its a good one23:50
sdakeclealry not in liberty timeframe23:50
sdakebut long term project goal23:50
vnodNo, we are relying on nova service-list neutron net-list etc..23:50
vnodfor L123:50
sdakeagree with l1/l2/l3 objectives23:51
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sdaketalking long term23:51
vnodbut long term we need to work with community to get those health apis23:51
sdakeeg whatever is in M23:51
vnodare there blueprints for other openstack services for health23:51
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sdakewe would hae to do that work23:51
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sdakebut there woudl be high value in it23:52
sdakesomething to keep in mind as you fearlessly lead us :)23:52
vnodsdake agreed, we should get those blueprints in23:52
sdakei htink now is too early for those blueprints23:52
sdakebut its alway sgood to know whereyour headed23:52
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sdakeok thanks i'm done with my questions :)23:53
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vnodthanks sdake23:53
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vnodfor folks, we are available on #openstack-cloudpulse23:54
vnodIRC channel23:54
vnodfeel free to shoot your questions there23:54
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vnodthanks everyone for coming to our cloudpulse.23:54
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