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| gillliard | Hello! | 12:00 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 5 12:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| gillliard | Hello! | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | hello! | 12:00 |
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| gillliard | ha - just us 2 then? | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | emm...sdague can't join the meeting, but leave some note before the meeting | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: ha yea | 12:01 |
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| eliqiao | hi | 12:01 |
| gillliard | hey :) | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao: hi | 12:01 |
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| gillliard | Maybe wait a couple more minutes to see if anyone else shows up? | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: ok | 12:02 |
| eliqiao | :) | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | if just three of us, we can go through item quickly | 12:02 |
| bauzas | \o (waves late) | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: hello :) | 12:03 |
| eliqiao | 0/ hi | 12:03 |
| gillliard | hi bauzas | 12:03 |
| bauzas | hey | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | let's start the party~ | 12:03 |
| bauzas | good to see an API meeting cool for my TZ :) | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | #topic Liberty work items and priority | 12:04 |
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| eliqiao | so bauzas: what's you tz? | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-api-working-list | 12:04 |
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| alex_xu | I summary this from summit etherpad, hope everybody can review it, and see if I missed something. | 12:04 |
| bauzas | eliqiao: CET (now CEST) | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | sdague already add some note | 12:04 |
| gillliard | There's a few things in Liberty 1 there. What date does that mean? | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | hope we can put the item into the milestone | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: the end of this month? | 12:05 |
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| gillliard | Shall we go through the liberty 1 items quickly then? | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | yes, we can | 12:05 |
| bauzas | gillliard: June 24th IIRC | 12:06 |
| gillliard | OK that's quite soon! | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | the first one is about sdague's blog, it already done | 12:06 |
| bauzas | gillliard: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065819.html | 12:06 |
| gillliard | #link https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are quite a few items in the roll up, I am guess most are duplicates: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | thanks all :) | 12:07 |
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| gillliard | python novaclient microversions work. akurilin has a spec. | 12:07 |
| gillliard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188410/ | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: oops, I didn't notice that | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | yea, the spec almost copy from ironic | 12:08 |
| gillliard | I think it looks good, except some changes needed for the validation-relaxation stuff | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I will check the duplicates item in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items later | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thanks | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: and it need something in server side, and you signup to work on it, right? | 12:09 |
| gillliard | #action (gilliard) add min/max version headers to responses, update microversions spec accordingly | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: thanks, and better to add subitem under the novaclient one | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: but I think we should waiting for the microversion guildeline also | 12:11 |
| alex_xu | "Restructure API tree to remove v3 and other confusing things" | 12:11 |
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| bauzas | you mean v2 ? | 12:11 |
| alex_xu | Emm...not sure how hard it is, maybe just need some huge patch | 12:11 |
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| bauzas | or rename v3 ? | 12:12 |
| gillliard | bauzas: rename v3 | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: no, the v3. like plugins/v3... | 12:12 |
| eliqiao | rename v3 to what ? v2.1? | 12:12 |
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| alex_xu | eliqiao: I think just remove the 'v3' | 12:12 |
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| gillliard | Do we have a volunteer for this one? | 12:13 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: okay, you confused me with 'remove v3' :p | 12:13 |
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| eliqiao | it's not a interesting work | 12:13 |
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| gillliard | It will be really useful to un-confuse people though | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: sorry, I should say remove any 'v3' word from the code | 12:13 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: it could be possibly something done by a newcomer right ? | 12:13 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: I mean a git mv doesn't sound really hard | 12:14 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: yes, I guess it won't too hard, but I didn't check the detail | 12:14 |
| eliqiao | seen from #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items johnthetubaguy: find someone to rename v3 to v2.1 in the treej | 12:14 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: okay, my point is that we can possibly put that to the audience for someone wanting to ramp up on Nova | 12:14 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: , I guess more than that | 12:14 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: does that need a spec ? | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: a lot of 'import' | 12:15 |
| eliqiao | remove v3 or rename v3 to v2.1? | 12:15 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: honestly, that's still not a big deal IMHO, just packaging stuff for Python | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: yea, good idea, do you know how to public that, in the ML? | 12:15 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: I should discuss that with johnthetubaguy | 12:15 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: because we have lots of dirty easy stuff to do which can be done by people wanting to contribute | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | and we should ask johnthetubaguy about whether we need spec | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: yea | 12:16 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: not sure it requires a spec IMHO | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: actually I prefer not | 12:16 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: not planning to modify api-paste.ini ? | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: no, I guess not | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: which bit is that | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, the rename | 12:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yup | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | just do a bug to track that, and add it into the priority review etherpad, I guess? | 12:17 |
| bauzas | indeed | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: we aren't rename to v2.1, we are going to remove v3, right? | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would say do a spec, to prove agreement, but we did that at the summit | 12:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: yes, something like that | 12:18 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: lots of projects are renaming stuff, that's quite easy | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: and remove the plugin name too | 12:18 |
| bauzas | well, then maybe the spec is worth for mentioning how to do | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: plugin name is? | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: the issue is the old stuff, we can't move that too far, because of the config, or we have to fix the config | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: let me get a link | 12:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/plugins/v3 | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: basically we can move them all to the top level, if we can move the current stuff into some v2.0 directory | 12:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: assuming that doesn't need any config changes for the deployer (and paste.ini mess) | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you mean under the nova/api/openstack/compute?, that will have name conflict with v2 api file | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: right, they would need moving somewhere, if possible | 12:20 |
| bauzas | given the convo, I think now a spec is worthwhile :) | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: that or move it somewhere better, like we can drop the ec2 bit | 12:21 |
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| bauzas | because I would propose some stuff | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, I was just thinking that, but... its easier to discuss this in the code review, probably | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | it has to "look nice" and not affect config | 12:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am happy to do a spec, if you prefer, I am not planning on requiring it | 12:21 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, then find someone help on coding | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 12:22 |
| gillliard | We've got a really big agenda today - should we move on? | 12:23 |
| gillliard | ;) | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | ok, no problem | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | next one is Remainging policy moving to API layer | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | I think this is say the policy clean up patches | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-api-policy-final-part,n,z | 12:24 |
| gillliard | Is that the final set of patches alex_xu ? | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a lot more to it though, although those patches are the first step | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: yes | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | we were talking about defaults in the code, and renaming policy so it matches the URL node the code | 12:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and looking at clean hierarchies, and possible some level of split up admin | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we might want to push that all out until M, so we get the docs done | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ...but I worry about Liberty going out without those updates, given the upgrade pain after than change | 12:26 |
| bauwser | +1 to the docs saying "please don't confuse RBAC roles with context admin" :) | 12:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague was talking to the keystone folks about some of those changes | 12:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: true, there is that as well | 12:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have a TODO to write up that conversation, but I am waiting until Monday before I look at those action items for me | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | well someone has a TODO anyways | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | TODO for those policy works? | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | emm...let's move on | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | the last one "Middleware to relax jsonschema validation on v2.0" | 12:29 |
| gillliard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/12/specs/liberty/approved/api-relax-validation.rst,cm | 12:29 |
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| alex_xu | sdague said the plan for this is changed in the summmit, but review it today, I think the spec already updated to the new plan | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | one thing I confuse, why we must need middleware | 12:30 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: the spec was merging 2 concerns IIRC | 12:30 |
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| bauwser | alex_xu: 1/ relax validation for headers not providing version | 12:30 |
| bauwser | 2/ drop support for headers providing version if v2 | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its probably two things in there | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I updated it post summit | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I probably lost some of the detail though | 12:31 |
| bauwser | both can be done in the same middleware that said | 12:31 |
| alex_xu | middleware need for figure the request coming from which endpoint? | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its middleware because it only applies to /v2.0 and not /v2.1 | 12:31 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: to the question whether a WSGI middleware is a good option, +1 to that | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: that was the idea | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there could well be a better way, but the proposal at the summit was for middleware | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: the request object can get the url, and we check is coming from '/v2' or '/v2.1' | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I included that in the spec | 12:32 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: honestly, I don't like it | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so this code is only allowed to apply to /v2 and not v2.1 | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | bauwser: why? | 12:33 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: I mean the request check directly in the codepath | 12:33 |
| gillliard | I suggest leaving middleware-or-not question to implementation. | 12:33 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: because that's contextually something that can be done *before* handling the request :) | 12:33 |
| gillliard | ie remove from spec | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | gillliard: agreed, but theres an important issue behind it | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the thing we need to agree is | 12:33 |
| bauwser | gillliard: well, this is not an implementation detail IMHO | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | v2.1 stays the same | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | v2.0 has the relaxed validation | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | bauwser: but the jsonschema validation is exected in the code path | 12:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | v2.0 throws errors should no version header be sent | 12:34 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: maybe you could drop mention of the version check for v2.0 ? | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | that happens with both the v2 and v2.1 code behind it | 12:34 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: and put it in a separate spec ? | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: its in there | 12:35 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: I know | 12:35 |
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| bauwser | anyway, let's discuss that on the spec | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | agree | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: so I think we need both to solve the described problem | 12:35 |
| bauwser | agreed | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | the spec is about resolving a problem, hence its grouped together | 12:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I am open to other options, lets discuss those on the spec I guess | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | or just after the meeting in #openstack-nova if that works for folks | 12:36 |
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| bauwser | +1 | 12:36 |
| gillliard | sure | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | For the priority items, there already have nova-spec list out by johnthetubaguy | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/187272 | 12:36 |
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| alex_xu | hope people review it | 12:37 |
| alex_xu | And we have a powerful list | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | List some patch need core team review, and the patch should have team member +1 at least. | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | Currently the list is emptly, looks like wasteful :) | 12:38 |
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| alex_xu | Any more question for this topic? | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so the hope is the sub team decides its "ready" somehow | 12:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and if that becomes a good enough vote, it might eventually become a +2 | 12:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | might want a second list, please subteam review these patches | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I maybe over loading those two things | 12:40 |
| bauwser | hence why it's not a list of Xmas gifts, but rather something you want to port to cores for merges | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | yea, sdague suggest our folks discuss priority items early next week | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | (I plan to send an ML post to describe all this process on monday) | 12:40 |
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| alex_xu | bauwser: +1 | 12:41 |
| alex_xu | let's move on | 12:41 |
| alex_xu | #topic Patch Review | 12:41 |
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| alex_xu | most of them mention previous topic | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | There are some policy document up review, some of them I need update… | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/162912 | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/162913 | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/187896 | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | and other patch already metioned in previous topic: relax validation, microversion for python-novaclient | 12:43 |
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| alex_xu | and policy cleanup stuff | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | so...let's move on | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | #topic API-WG patches | 12:44 |
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| alex_xu | gillliard: Do you know what is going on 501 guideline, I'm think there patch is going to use 501. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148509/ | 12:45 |
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| gillliard | I think the API-WG needs prodding to make a statement one way or the other. | 12:45 |
| gillliard | That's not the only patch which adds NotImplemented error | 12:46 |
| gillliard | But this conversation has just stopped: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456/ | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: the api-wg agree with Sean's propose? | 12:46 |
| gillliard | no conclusion there | 12:46 |
| * alex_xu didn't get chance follow that | 12:47 | |
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| gillliard | #action (gilliard) re-start 501 conversation with api-wg | 12:47 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: thanks | 12:47 |
| gillliard | We have a few patches which depend on it... | 12:47 |
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| alex_xu | gillliard: yea, block people will feel angry :) | 12:47 |
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| gillliard | Are people using APIImpact enough in Nova? | 12:48 |
| gillliard | and, is that actually getting us useful feedback from the api-wg? | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | gillliard: no guarantee, it also need depend on review notice people forget add flag | 12:49 |
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| alex_xu | gillliard: I didn't get your second question | 12:49 |
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| gillliard | The API-WG can search all of gerrit for APIImpact and provide feedback for us. But I don't think I've ever actually seen that happen. | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think its more for our API group to see those changes | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not sure API-WG will can all repos for API changes | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/can/scan/ | 12:51 |
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| gillliard | Fair enough. We can always take anything contentious to them directly anyway. | 12:51 |
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| gillliard | Anyway, moving on...? | 12:51 |
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| bauwser | +1 | 12:52 |
| gillliard | alex_xu has moved some of his nova devrefs to the api-wg repo | 12:52 |
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| * alex_xu drop the network... | 12:52 | |
| alex_xu | gillliard: yea | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/187112 | 12:53 |
| gillliard | So the nova ones are abandoned? | 12:53 |
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| eliqiao | alex_xu just phone me that he has something problem with the network, gillliard, can you please go on ? | 12:54 |
| gillliard | :( | 12:55 |
| bauwser | #chair gillliard ? | 12:55 |
| gillliard | The other one he moved over is... | 12:55 |
| gillliard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187896/ | 12:55 |
| gillliard | Let's see.... | 12:55 |
| gillliard | Please review those if you feel you can | 12:56 |
| gillliard | #topic open discussion | 12:56 |
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| gillliard | (doesn't work) | 12:56 |
| * alex_xu back again...offline any time | 12:56 | |
| alex_xu | #topic open discussion | 12:56 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1426241 | 12:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1426241 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "pci plugin needs to be re-enabled for V2 microversions" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yongli He (yongli-he) | 12:56 |
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| bauwser | alex_xu: could you please #chair gillliard ? | 12:57 |
| bauwser | alex_xu: in case of any internet issue coming back | 12:57 |
| gillliard | So, about that bug. I wasn't sure if it was still valid or not. No big deal I guess. | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | #chair gillliard | 12:58 |
| openstack | Current chairs: alex_xu gillliard | 12:58 |
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| gillliard | If anyone has an opinion they can comment directly on the bug | 12:58 |
| gillliard | (thanks alex_xu) | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | that one heyongli is working on | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | I have confirm with him | 12:58 |
| gillliard | OK thanks. The other thing is that sdague wrote something very nice | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that API changes looks like it needs a spec | 12:59 |
| gillliard | #link https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yes, I told him | 12:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: cool | 12:59 |
| gillliard | I think we should share that blog post widely, and solicit feedback. Understanding the API is a big hurdle for many people I think. | 13:00 |
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| gillliard | I mean, it's quite complicated... | 13:00 |
| bauwser | gillliard: sdague already shared it to the ML | 13:00 |
| gillliard | awesome. | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | should we reference that blog link in the devref? | 13:00 |
| gillliard | I think devref should stand alone. | 13:00 |
| gillliard | That content will move into a devref at some point I think. | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | ok | 13:01 |
| * gillliard looks at his clock | 13:01 | |
| bauwser | #endmeeting ? :) | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 5 13:01:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-06-05-12.00.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-06-05-12.00.txt | 13:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-06-05-12.00.log.html | 13:01 |
| bauwser | oh man | 13:01 |
| * johnthetubaguy giggles | 13:01 | |
| gillliard | lol | 13:02 |
| bauwser | didn't want to do so | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | hah... | 13:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is a feature where after 1 hour the non-chair can end the meeting | 13:02 |
| bauwser | but yeah makes sense that anyone can end an endless meeting | 13:02 |
| gillliard | Nice | 13:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think BobBall added after some issues we had with a cinder meeting that never ended | 13:02 |
| bauwser | good to know eh eh | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | lol | 13:03 |
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| bauwser | anyway, have a good WE, folks ! | 13:03 |
| * bauwser heading to Disneyland :p | 13:03 | |
| eliqiao | bauwser: so cool... | 13:04 |
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| bauwser | eliqiao: well, still with some yound kids ? not sure :p | 13:05 |
| bauwser | young even | 13:05 |
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| eliqiao | can I #endmeeting again? | 13:05 |
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| eliqiao | orz.. | 13:05 |
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