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ttxdhellmann: around?13:00
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ttx#startmeeting releaseteam13:01
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ttxDo we have anyone else from the release team awake at this early hour ?13:01
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ttxI pushed an agenda at
ttx#topic New service versioning13:02
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ttxdhellmann: what's the current status ? 0a0 and setup.cfg bumps done for all ?13:02
dhellmannttx: I recommended lifeless and dims both read the meeting logs if they can't be here for the meeting because of the timing13:02
dhellmannthe bumps are mostly done, just one or two stragglers13:03
dhellmannmost of those open items are actually for things that are libraries, which will shift from pre-versioning to post-versioning13:03
ttxhmm, as far as "managed" liberty-1 tags are concerned... only heat and ceilometer are due13:04
dhellmannironic is in the same situation13:04
dhellmannI'll prod the ptls today13:04
ttxanything else on that topic ?13:05
dhellmannhow do you want to handle the actual tagging work on thursday?13:05
ttxthat's the next topic13:05
ttx#topic Liberty-1 milestone13:05
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ttxTried to build a checklist13:05
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ttxSo first, what to do tomorrow during office hours13:06
ttxwhere PTLs are supposed to show up but most likely will need to be pinged13:06
ttxadjust_blueprints (when merged) should provide the bulk of adjustments, we just need to the PTL to doublecheck the dryrun output13:07
ttxthen they should tell us what they still would like to block liberty-1 tags on13:07
ttxwould be ok to push tags on Tuesday if they say "now is as good as any time"13:08
dhellmannand for the tag, what do we want to use? X.0.0b1? or liberty-1?13:08
ttxthe process_bugs line is used to defer liberty-1 incomplete bugs to l213:08
dimsdhellmann: ack, will read this log later today :) thanks13:08
ttxthe new should do that13:08
ttxideally we would push both reviews in today13:09
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dhellmannah, nice, I'll review those changes13:09
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ttxI suggest we send a single email when "all" managed projects that do dev milestones are done13:09
ttxthe goal being to send that email before eod Thursday13:10
ttxSo I listed the project list13:10
dhellmannI like that13:10
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dhellmannsend to the announce list, I assume13:10
ttxMy feeling is that we should skip Ironic13:10
ttxdhellmann: well, that's a good question actually13:10
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ttxwe can send to announce (since it's a single one)13:10
dhellmannyes, when ironic is ready for a new release we'll switch them to post-versioning and use release_library.sh13:11
* dhellmann makes a note to rename that13:11
ttxwe can send to dev (since it's technically not a "release")13:11
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dhellmannI like the idea of being consistent and sending all release-related announcements to the announce list, but I see your point about using the dev list, too13:11
ttxI vote for announce13:12
dhellmannI agree13:12
ttxSo I'll test that checklist in the morning during office hours13:13
ttxif for any reason it doesn't work or it's incomplete I'll add to the etherpad13:13
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dhellmannI'll read through it more closely after the meeting, in case I have other questions13:14
ttxI suspect we'll have a presence between office shours too anyway13:14
ttxsure, ideally you'd give the two linked reviews a quick look today so that we can merge that first version of them13:14
dhellmannyep, that's first on my list for when we're done13:14
ttxok, anything else on that topic ?13:15
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dhellmannare you planning to use the project list in that etherpad to mark of the projects as they are done?13:15
ttxdhellmann: yes, I think that will replace my paper well :)13:15
dhellmannfor tuesday's checkup, and for the tags themselfs13:16
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dhellmannyes, sorry, I know paper is more convenient :-)13:16
ttxless webscale though13:16
ttx#topic Library releases13:16
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ttxSo the library release managers have been busy trying out the new process lately13:16
ttxhow did that work ?13:17
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dhellmannso far, so good. I think I saw lifeless mention a pbr release and irc doesn't seem to be aflame this morning so I assume that went ok13:17
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dhellmannI'm going to work with dims on the oslo releases this week, and let him start managing all of those directly so I can concentrate on the non-oslo stuff13:18
ttxok, anything we need to urgently cover in that area ? Or I can happily ignore it and focus on liberty-1 tags ?13:18
dhellmannwe had the doc tools release that andreas asked for and it went well except that the package included a bug, and I think lifeless helped with a new release there13:18
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dhellmannI think you can focus on the liberty-1 stuff13:18
ttxCool, a few items to cover in open discussion now13:19
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ttx#topic Open discussion13:19
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ttxFirst thing is
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ttxBasically Gnocchi has branches where they do backports13:19
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ttxbut those are not aligned to the 6-month dev cycle at all13:20
ttxand not really handled (or controlled for the matter) by stable-maint13:20
ttxso it has its own policy of acceptable backports and all13:20
dhellmannI think we should keep the name stable for that 6month cycle, but make a new tag describing backports on different cycles13:20
ttxI think we need to protect the brand13:20
ttxThe question is more... is there value in designating projects that have "some backport branch"13:21
dhellmannshall I see if I can think of some new wording for the existing tag, and write up a new tag description?13:21
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dhellmannit's useful to know, I guess. We do have several projects for which we do not manage backports at all13:21
ttxif you can't predict what the policy there is, I'm not sure it has value13:21
dhellmannyeah, I thought maybe saying something like "on a project-defined schedule" or something13:22
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dhellmannmaybe call it release:bug-releases? or release:does-backports?13:22
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dhellmannif it's a different release model, it seems useful to capture how it is different even if that is a bit vague13:23
ttxI'm just unsure what the description would be... "does some amount of backports with an indetermined policy" ?13:23
ttxand then, what question does this answer ?13:23
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dhellmannit at least tells deployers whether they are likely to get a bug fix release, or only new feature releases that also include bug fixes13:24
ttxhow would two projects with that tag be even comparable ?13:24
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dhellmannwhich can make a difference in deciding to upgrade, or which package to put in a distro13:24
ttxhmm, ok13:24
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ttxso some does-backports with a stable-branch-tm subgroup13:24
ttxI'll explore that13:25
dhellmannI would make the 2 tags mutually exclusive13:25
ttx#action ttx to explore splitting has-stable-branches into does-backports and has-official-stable-branches13:25
dhellmannstable-branch is a very specific form of backports, and does-backports is more general and project-specific13:25
dhellmannkeep the definitions high-level13:26
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ttxbtw when building that project list on the L1 etherpad I couldn't find a magic combo of tags that would deliver what I was looking for13:26
ttxwhich I think means we need to refine them, now that we evolved the release models13:26
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dhellmannI noticed a comment about swift there, what is the issue with that? do we not tag their releases?13:27
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ttxdhellmann: we don't do a liberty-1 tag for them13:27
ttxor for Ironic for the matter13:28
ttxso there is no query that will give us the right list13:28
ttxit's currently manually built13:28
ttxwith brain juice13:28
dhellmannhmm, that's not good13:28
dhellmannat-6mo includes projects that release more often, I guess?13:28
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ttxyes, which is the problem13:29
ttxso if you add "AND NOT release:independent" you get the right thing I suspect13:29
ttxbut that's rather convoluted13:29
dhellmannok, maybe we should change that one to "on-cycle-cadence" and then drop those projects, which will still be listed under has-stable-branches13:29
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ttxtype:service AND release:managed AND NOT release:independent13:29
* dhellmann doesn't want to build a query language13:30
dhellmannlet's try to (re)define the tags to be more suitable13:30
ttxsome on-default-cycle or follows-dev-milestones13:30
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dhellmannyeah, a new one is probably best, just to be safe13:30
ttxto replace at-6mo-cycle-end which kinda duplicates has-stable-branches now13:30
dhellmannI can write that up13:30
ttxI can do it too13:31
ttxI'll just have to give it a bit deeper thought on paper13:31
dhellmannok, if you're going to be working on tags anyway it might be easiest to have them as a series of patches13:31
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ttxnext open discussion was about the series-to-version mapping tool13:32
ttxso the thing that sayd nova liberty is 12.0.013:32
ttxwhat data should that tool work from13:32
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ttxI mean, we can certianly make sure LP is accurate and query that13:32
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ttxbut I'm not sure that's very future-proof13:33
ttxwe could do some double-tagging in git and derive from that too13:33
dhellmannwhat's the ultimate goal for that tool? to provide a page showing the *current* version of each project in a series, or to show the major/minor release for each project in a series?13:34
ttxI'd say both. You should be able to ask "what is nova liberty final release" and "what series does 12.1.0 belong to"13:35
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dhellmannhmm, ok. I wasn't thinking of going backwards from number to series, just from series to number13:35
ttxAlso do we need a CLI tool or a website/page13:35
ttxor both13:36
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dhellmannif we only need to record what numbers are in a series, a simple text file that could be turned into a webpage would be easy13:36
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dhellmannwe could even include it in the governance repository13:36
ttxMaybe if the page looks very good it can easily answer that second question13:37
dhellmannalthough that's not great for projects that end up being renamed13:37
ttxI kind like the LP series graph13:37
dhellmannyes, so maybe making sure LP is up to date is good for now, and if we move to another tool for project tracking we can rethink how we do it?13:38
dhellmannLP doesn't make it easy to find all of the projects in a given release, though13:38
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ttxnope it doesn't13:38
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ttxok well, food for thoughts13:39
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dhellmannyes, I wasn't thinking of anything this fancy, but I'll give it more thought13:39
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ttxjust wanted to check I wasn't overlooking an obvious solution13:39
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dhellmannsomehow this feels like info we could/should put in the projects list in the governance repo, but we would not want that to have exact versions, just ranges13:40
dhellmannand then we could link off to LP for digging deeper13:40
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ttxOK, last topic, I'm recording a PTL webinar on release management in the next hour13:41
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dhellmannI'll play with git and see what sorts of tag queries are easy13:41
ttxSlides at
ttxmostly introducing changes, as cascading fallout from the project structure reform13:42
dhellmannthe slides look good, no surprises13:43
ttxcool, thx for the quick review :)13:43
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ttxWe'l see if I make sense. Prepared those this morning13:43
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ttxdhellmann: anything on your side ?13:44
dhellmannI was mostly concerned about the checklist for this week, but you put that together so I just need to review it and make sure I don't have questions13:44
dhellmannttx: oh, do we want to post something to about the reversioning?13:45
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dhellmannit might be useful to mention that in your presentation, too13:45
ttxwe can post something after l1 like "you may have noticed..."13:45
dhellmannalthough I guess the PTLs all know13:45
ttxit is in the presentation13:46
ttxI'll write something up on my blog13:46
dhellmannah, I see it13:46
ttxat the end of the week13:46
dhellmannok, sounds good13:46
ttxwhen the 0b1 tags will be there (rather than just the 0a013:46
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ttxalright, that should be enough for this week13:47
ttxlast word ?13:47
dhellmannI think we're done13:48
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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:11
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 22 14:11:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at
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boris-42e0ne: hi there14:12
boris-42kun_huang: ping14:12
boris-42yfried__: ping14:12
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boris-42rvasilets: hi14:12
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boris-42redixin: ping14:13
boris-42amaretskiy: ping14:13
redixinboris-42, pong14:13
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boris-42okay let's start14:15
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boris-42#topic Broken cinder attach volume update14:15
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boris-42e0ne: hey could you share update regarding to this?14:15
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e0neboris-42: i've posted a fix
e0nei'll ping other cores to merge it when they will be available14:16
e0neboris-42: also i'm going to add more rally tests to cinder gates14:16
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boris-42e0ne: ok great14:18
boris-42e0ne: interesting why tempest still works....14:18
e0neboris-42: because we don't have cinder-backup by default14:19
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boris-42e0ne: ah ok14:19
e0neboris-42: i'm going to ask this question in openstack-dev ml too14:20
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boris-42e0ne: great14:21
boris-42let's move to next topic14:21
boris-42#topic Rally task abort Finally!14:21
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boris-42andreykurilin: your turn !=)14:21
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andreykurilinhi hi)14:22
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andreykurilinthis patch implements "task abort" command14:22
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andreykurilinit is already pass all jobs14:23
andreykurilinabort command accepts soft and hard mode14:23
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boris-42andreykurilin: uh +340 =)14:23
boris-42andreykurilin: will review it today14:23
andreykurilin~200 LOC is only tests)14:24
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andreykurilinsla "aborted_manually" was added for aborted tasks14:25
andreykurilinI don't think that SLA is a right place14:25
boris-42andreykurilin: we don't have another for now14:25
andreykurilinbut we don't have another field for such information(aborted, something gone wrong and etc)14:25
andreykurilinboris-42: yes)14:25
boris-42andreykurilin: I belive it's another thing that we should change in our DB schema14:26
boris-42andreykurilin: okay great14:26
boris-42#topic Rally CI news14:27
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boris-42redixin: ping could you share what are the news for Rally CI?14:27
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redixinRally CI itself was updated, but no new jobs14:29
redixin(for rally project)14:29
boris-42redixin: what did you update inisde it?14:30
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redixinformat of config file was changed. also added new web ui (using aiohttp instead of websockets module)14:31
redixinalso im working on adding jobs which triggered on ref-updated events14:32
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redixinboris-42, thats all14:33
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kun_huangboris-42: pong a bit late14:36
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boris-42redixin: is it avaialble?14:36
boris-42redixin: I mean web ui?14:36
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redixinboris-42, sure. here is current ui of Rally CI:
redixincurrently no jobs14:37
boris-42redixin: heh ok =)14:37
boris-42redixin: we should write this in each message from rally-ci14:37
redixinit just show running jobs. it is possible to add more info. statistics, recent jobs etc14:38
boris-42redixin: e.g. to track process take a look at Rally CI page: :
boris-42redixin: in any case it's intersting14:38
boris-42redixin: but nobody knows that it exists...14:38
boris-42redixin: so just put it14:38
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boris-42#topic Rally monasca job14:39
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boris-42redixin: seems like there is new project rally monasca14:39
boris-42redixin: that would like to have benchmarks in rally tree14:39
boris-42redixin: could you take a look is it possible to add rally jobs=)14:40
redixinyeah, I saw this patch14:40
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redixinboris-42, do you mean job in Rally CI?14:40
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boris-42redixin: it will be better in Infra14:41
redixinboris-42, ok14:41
boris-42#topic Open disucssion14:41
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boris-42do we have something to discuss?14:41
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boris-42andreykurilin: redixin ?14:42
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boris-42e0ne: kairat_kushaev ?14:43
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e0neboris-42: what about multiple openstack services api verstions support?:)14:43
boris-42e0ne: I will think these days what is the best way to do this14:44
boris-42e0ne: what about just having separated benchmarks for various versions?14:44
e0neboris-42: i don't like copy-paster14:44
boris-42e0ne: I mean yep it will have some code duplication but from other side it will be very clear code14:44
boris-42e0ne: okay I have to analyze this deeper14:45
e0neboris-42: i need go deeper why failed14:45
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andreykuriline0ne: maybe something like
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kairat_kushaevandreykurilin: Hello! Did you have free time to investigate n-net logs when heat was failing?14:48
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andreykurilinkairat_kushaev: hi! I don't have enough time to find the issue:(14:49
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kairat_kushaevandreykurilin: Ok)14:49
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boris-42okay let's finish meeting14:55
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asselin #startmeeting third-party15:00
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openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 22 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at
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asselinhi, anyone here for 3rd party meeting?15:01
lennyb_asselin: Hi15:01
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asselini'll filling in for anteya today15:01
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asselinhi lennyb_15:01
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asselinmorning patrickeast15:01
lennyb_if there are no agenda, I have a question regarding zuul15:01
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asselinnormally no formal agenda, but will double-check to see if anyone added something15:02
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asselinlennyb_, go ahead15:02
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* asselin didn't find agenda for today15:03
* lennyb_ preparing paste15:03
asselinhi krtaylor15:03
krtaylorasselin, yeah, usually not an agenda for the office hours meetings15:03
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asselinanteaya did ask me to inform the team that she completed her action item15:04
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asselinthere is now a footer in 3rd party announce e-mails to request people join these meetings15:04
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lennyb_in case of dependencies in patchset I see that ZUUL_CHANGES=openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/80/72380/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/81/72381/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/82/72382/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/12/182212/3^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/13/182213/3 what key should I export, so my devstack will actually pick this up?15:05
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asselin#info anteaya to look into adding link to third party meetings in -announce ml footer -- DONE15:05
lennyb_I tried to check logs of another CIs, but they usually pick only the last one.15:06
asselinlennyb_, where do you see this?15:06
krtaylorthat was my biggest surprise from summit, that there were still so many new test operators that were not aware of this resource15:07
* lennyb_ checkin15:07
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asselinlennyb_, i suppose that's the env variable exported by zuul/Jenkins into the jenkins slave running the job?15:10
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lennyb_asselin: yes. ZUUL_CHANGES is exported. example patch 3, ZUUL_CHANGES=openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/80/72380/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/81/72381/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/82/72382/5^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/12/182212/3^openstack/nova:master:refs/changes/13/182213/3  . but I should export PROJECT_BRANCH , so devstack will install this patch15:11
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asselinlennyb_, which job on that patch are you looking at?15:13
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asselinlennyb_, normally, everything is setup automatically in the setup_workspace file15:14
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lennyb_asselin: I cant export $PROJECT_BRANCH as ZUUL_CHANGES, since git can not recognize the syntax of the dependencies.15:15
asselinlennyb_, and zuul already prepared the version of nova that should be used and is provided and used here:
lennyb_asselin: normally there are no dependencies or at least ZUUL15:16
lennyb_$ZUUL_CHANGES is a single-patch15:16
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asselinlennyb_, right, but zuul provides a single ref that is supposed to represent all of those changes15:18
asselinlennyb_, 05:09:46 ZUUL_REF=refs/zuul/master/Z566957bb03a2438585b033252b4ff5b315:18
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asselinin upstream, this ref is pulled in here:
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asselinif it doesn't exist, then it uses backup/default branches, usually master15:20
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asselinDoes anyone else have other topics to bring up?15:22
lennyb_asselin: thanks a lot, I will check it.15:22
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asselinI wanted to make people aware of this zuul bug fix:
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asselin#info zuul Support external cross-project dependencies in ui now merged15:23
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patrickeastasselin: thanks for fixing that15:24
asselinit's been affecting lots of 3rd party folks, so definitely cherry-pick it if you cannot upgrade to master15:24
lennyb_asselin: thanks for the fix.15:24
krtaylorasselin, I wanted to bring up the new meeting time for the third party ci working group -> 1700UTC Tuesday (starting this week)15:25
asselin#topic new meeting time for the third party ci working group -> 1700UTC Tuesday (starting this week)15:25
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asselinkrtaylor, thank you15:26
krtaylornp, I'll also send out a meeting reminder15:26
asselin+1 good idea15:27
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asselin#topic zuul: Add the ability to abort jobs on a patch merge15:27
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asselinI also submitted this patch ^^ which should help 3rd party folks15:27
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asselinin case you have a slow system, avoid posting results a few days after it merges :)15:28
lennyb_btw, what about  will it be merged?15:28
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asselinleifz, seems it waiting on adding test cases15:29
asselin#info waiting on test cases for merge15:30
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asselinif I get a chance I'll see if I can do it since I added some tests recently for my zuul patch mentioned earlier15:31
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asselinbut would be best if evgeny would do it. anyone know how to ping him?15:32
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asselinactually he did do it on a dependent patch15:32
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asselin#action asselin to ask jeblair to remove -115:33
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asselin#link <-- review15:33
asselinAny other topics?15:34
asselin#topic common-ci15:35
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asselinI'd like people to review the "zuul" patches here:,n,z15:35
asselinI think we're close to merging, so getting extra eyes on those would be good.15:36
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asselinI think we can get that done this week, and then we're another big step closer to an in-tree common-ci solution!15:36
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mmedvedeasselin: thanks for moving common-ci forward. Unfortunately, I was not able to be more involved in it15:38
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asselinmmedvede, every bit counts. After zuul I plan to target nodepool...there's lots of great changes going on there.15:40
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asselin#topic open discussion15:41
fbo_asselin, I am ready and available to upgrade zuul patches if needed ... but yeah I guess we need more reviews on it :)15:41
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asselinfbo_, yeah, some of your patches merged friday, so the next set need to be updated15:41
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asselinfbo_, if you can do that soon that will help reviewers and testers15:42
fbo_asselin, yes now the road is open to have those zuul patches merged and move to the next steps :)15:42
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asselinfbo_, +1 I really think it can be done this week!15:43
fbo_asselin, yes sure I'll do that tomorrow and ping you for the review15:43
asselinthank you15:43
fbo_For sure we'll succeed to have that merged this week !15:43
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fbo_you are welcome15:44
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asselinAnything else from anyone? can give back 15 minutes15:44
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krtaylorthanks asselin !15:46
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
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openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 22 16:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
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rakhmerovhi team16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'mistral'16:00
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xylan_konghi, i'm here16:00
rakhmerovgood to see you here )16:00
xylan_kongrakhmerov: how's your vacation16:00
LimorStotlandHi all16:00
rakhmerovas usually, let's wait a couple of minutes16:00
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rakhmerovooh, it was ok thanks :) pretty lazy. Books and video games mostly16:01
xylan_kongLimorStotland: glad to see you here16:01
rakhmerovhi Limor )16:01
xylan_kongrakhmerov: cool16:01
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rakhmerovnext time I will go somewhere :)16:01
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rakhmerovideally ocean coast or mountains16:02
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xylan_kongyeah, i like mountains16:02
LimorStotlandyou 2 and congrats xylan_kong16:02
xylan_kongLimorStotland: ?16:02
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NikolayMhi all!16:02
rakhmerovwith what? :)16:03
rakhmerovI am curious too16:03
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LimorStotlandthe mail on the core...16:03
rakhmerovoooh, that thing :)16:03
rakhmerovlet's what others say )16:03
xylan_kongyou know i'm going to be a father16:03
xylan_kongLimorStotland: :-)16:03
rakhmerovoooh, that is a much more important thing actually!16:04
xylan_kongrakhmerov: yes, exactly16:04
xylan_kongi will have a baby next month16:04
rakhmerovlet me know when you have a baby, I'll have a drink for his/her health (russian tradition)16:04
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: sure, thanks!16:04
rakhmerovthen let's start16:04
LimorStotlandOoooo as we see in hebrew mazel tov!!!16:04
rakhmerovsomeone from StackStorm might come but I'm not 100% sure16:05
rakhmerovok, usually we start with "Review action items" topic but we haven't had meetings for a while so let's skip it16:05
rakhmerovthe agenda is at:
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rakhmerovbtw, just a quick note about our team meetings in general16:06
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rakhmerovI'd like to ask you to visit them at least once in a while if you can16:06
rakhmeroveven though it may seem useless for someone I notice that meetings help to keep member active16:07
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rakhmerovI don't know how exactly but it really works16:07
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rakhmerovand please let me know in advance what you'd like to bring up at a next meeting16:08
rakhmerovyou can just modify that page that I posted here or reply to a reminder email16:08
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rakhmerovook, let's move on16:08
rakhmerov#topic Current Status (issues, roadblocks, etc.)16:09
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NikolayMmy status:16:09
rakhmerovin this traditional topic we usually report what we worked on last week, what we are working on now and what problems we have16:09
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NikolayMmy status: worked on blueprint 'run individual actions', researched and developed new RPC layer for mistral (alternative RPC)16:10
m4dcoderI worked on running unit tests on postgresql/mysql. there's a blocker on mysql version, need folks to comment on
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, hey! I didn't notice you're here )16:10
rakhmerovgood to see you here16:11
xylan_kongmy status:16:11
m4dcoderi also started the "resume" feature. if there're additional comments/inputs, please review the thread in the ML.16:11
m4dcoderhey, Renat!16:11
xylan_kongmy status: * implement a poc for retrieving executor service (it's used in workflow 'target'), but we need to discuss if everyone feels cool with it, so i can continue to work on it.16:11
xylan_kong* add description support for execution, the api part has been merged, the client part is on review16:11
xylan_kong* test database initialization for mysql and sqlite, correct the documentation16:11
rakhmerovm4dcoder, ok, I'll see and comment on your patch16:11
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LimorStotlandMy status:i am working on puppet installation16:12
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m4dcoder@rakhmerov: thanks!16:12
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rakhmerovguys, I see that you have some issues, let's discuss them in a few mins16:12
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NikolayMalso I had to move some patches from master to stable/kilo because devstack was not working there16:13
LimorStotlandi am on my phone so i met disconnect and connect again16:13
rakhmerovmy status: I just came back from vacation and was digging in my inbox all day, also reviewed and approved several patches and made a quick change in mistral-dashboard/.gitreview file16:13
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NikolayMrakhmerov, those patches also already on review for week or more16:14
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rakhmerovthere wasn't a patch for mistral-dashboard repo16:15
rakhmerovI checked16:15
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rakhmerovooh... how come I missed them?..16:15
NikolayMI think you saw that16:16
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rakhmerovno-no, I was checking it specifically but for some reason I didn't see them for mistral-dashboard16:16
rakhmerovok, thanks, my fault16:16
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LimorStotlandabout the bp on chrome trigger in sec i have an issue.the oslo scheduler is under oslo-incubator are we fine with it?16:17
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rakhmerovok, let's open a topic16:18
NikolayMyes, we use periodic tasks16:18
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rakhmerovyes, I think that's fine16:18
LimorStotlandOk thanks16:18
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rakhmerovwe're going to get rid of as many packages from openstack/common as possible but for now we can't avoid all of them16:19
rakhmerovso it's fine16:19
rakhmerov#topic Liberty-1 status16:19
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rakhmerovguys, we're supposed to release a dev milestone this week, Liberty-116:19
rakhmerovso I'd like to sync up with you on what you think is feasible and what's not16:20
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NikolayMso, we have just 2 days before the liberty-1..16:20
rakhmerovlet's go over all the BPs now quickly and update their status16:20
rakhmerovwell, it's basically till the end of week16:21
rakhmerovso we can think 3-4 days16:21
rakhmerovnot too much though I agree16:21
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: it's fine with my bp16:21
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rakhmerovthis milestone is not too strong though and I don't want you to feel in rush but anyway, let's sync up16:21
rakhmerovok, let's go over them16:22
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, can you comment on this BP?16:22
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rakhmerovhow much is left on it?16:22
m4dcoderthe bp is up on review basically16:22
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rakhmerovyou said you had some blocker16:23
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rakhmerovor it was about mysql config?16:23
m4dcoderdzimine wants to see mysql included. but there's a problem with gate test for mysql16:23
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rakhmerovwhat kind of problem?16:23
m4dcodersupport for usec in datetime is only in mysql 5.6.4 and greater.16:24
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dzimineHi there16:24
m4dcoderhey, dmitri!16:24
rakhmerovhi dzimine, good to see you here!16:24
xylan_konghi, dzimine16:24
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dzimineSorry I'm late. Catching up.16:24
NikolayMdevstack gate installs mysql itself and there is no reason to point it also in requirements.txt, I think16:25
rakhmerovok, m4dcoder, I agree that we need to have mysql stuff also. I think we can keep working on it16:25
NikolayMthe same for postgres16:25
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rakhmerovI'm not sure I understand the full context but can't we install any mysql version that we need on a gate?16:26
NikolayMafter that we'll have new devstack-gate with postgres where it also will be installed by devstack scripts16:26
m4dcoderNikolayM, yeah, i can move the py lib for mysql and postgresql to the test script. that's not a big deal. the problem i have is the mysql version that devstack gate installs.16:26
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rakhmerovwhere is this version specified?16:26
dzimineRe requirements.txt technically you are right but in practice everyone who set up mistral stepped at the trap of oh I don't have Python lib.16:27
rakhmerovin an installation script?16:27
m4dcoderalso, rakhmerov, in this patch, i'm just supporting the unit tests to run from script (  still haven't figure out how to run the postgresql tests in devstack gate.16:27
rakhmerovooh, I see16:27
rakhmerovbut basically the BP is considered to be done? except we still owe you a review, right?16:28
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m4dcoderyes. more like help with removing blocker.16:28
NikolayMdzimine, agree with you but installing everything is not the answer, right?16:28
rakhmerovgreat, then let's keep working on that problem offline (IRC, ML and meetings if needed)16:29
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rakhmerovnext BP:
NikolayMit's mine16:29
rakhmerovNikolayM, it seems like you won't be able to finish it till the end of week, right?16:29
NikolayMlet's move it to liberty-216:30
rakhmeroveven though I know you made a progress on it16:30
rakhmerovok, let's do it16:30
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rakhmerovthe next one:
rakhmerovLimorStotland, did you have a chance to look at it?16:31
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xylan_kongmaybe he is not here for the moment16:31
xylan_konga girl? ooh, sorry16:32
rakhmerovyeah, a pretty girl I should say :)16:32
xylan_kongok, forgive me16:32
rakhmerovok, let's go on and figure out the status of this BP later16:32
rakhmerovNikolayM, any news on this one?16:33
rakhmerovdid you talk to Murano folks about it?16:33
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LimorStotland_I  am here not yet sorry16:34
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NikolayMI ask them to ping me if it will any progress here16:35
rakhmerovjust sent you an email with the same question..16:35
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rakhmerovLimorStotland_, is there a chance you'll look at it this week?16:35
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rakhmerovNikolayM, ok, got it. Same situation basically16:35
NikolayMso, I can ask them again and get the answer16:36
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rakhmerov#action NikolayM: discuss yaql 1.0 with Murano team16:36
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rakhmerovthe next one:
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xylan_kongoh, it's mine16:37
rakhmerovxylan_kong, it's on review, yes16:37
rakhmerovI see16:37
xylan_kongas i mentioned for my status, the api side is done16:37
rakhmerovI'm sure it will be merged tomorrow16:37
xylan_kongbut with a bug,
rakhmerovwhat bug?16:37
xylan_kongthen the client side could pass the jenkins16:37
xylan_kongrakhmerov: please see the patch, it's for the bug16:38
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xylan_konglack of tests when i submit the previous patches for the bp16:38
rakhmerovooh, you mean we have a bug and BP filed for the same thing?16:38
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rakhmerovcan you please remove one of them from LP?16:39
rakhmerovit's confusing16:39
rakhmerovat your choice16:39
xylan_kongrakhmerov: no-no, i mean i filed a bug, and is for that16:39
rakhmerovI actually see this rather a BP than a bug though so you might want to change a patch commit message16:39
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rakhmerovanyway, do you think you'll be able to finish everything on that this week?16:41
xylan_kongyes, sure16:41
rakhmerovI mean client side etc.16:41
rakhmerovok, cool16:41
rakhmerovnice job16:41
xylan_kongrakhmerov: certainly yes16:41
rakhmerovnext one:
rakhmerovis done16:41
rakhmerovno questions here16:41
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rakhmerovNikolayM, I know it's on review but are there still any issues on that?16:42
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rakhmerovI remember we discussed a lot about it16:42
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xylan_kongthe code has been merged16:43
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NikolayMit was merged recently, about 5-6 hours ago :)16:43
rakhmerovooh, yes16:43
rakhmerovthen let me fix its status16:43
rakhmerovsorry, overlooked it16:44
rakhmerovnext one:
rakhmerovNikolayM, your estimation?16:44
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NikolayMso, I think I finish it for day or two16:44
rakhmerovok, cool16:45
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rakhmerovand the last one16:45
rakhmerov#topic BP:
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rakhmerovthis one is assigned to me but we still actually don't have any detailed description on what we want to do here16:46
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rakhmerovI was actually going to discuss it with you today but looks like we don't have enough time for that16:46
xylan_kongyes, i read it, but can't make sure i understand16:46
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rakhmerovso I would suggest I come up with a better spec (tomorrow) and let you know so that you comment it16:47
xylan_kongok, sounds great16:47
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m4dcodersounds good.16:47
rakhmerovif it's ok then I might have a chance to implement it and squeeze into Liberty-1 (not too likely though)16:47
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rakhmerovbasically, the idea is simple: if we need to jump to some task from many tasks (like "notify" task in lots of our unit tests) then it's not convenient to pass an input for it always using "publish" keyword16:49
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rakhmerovjust too verbose16:49
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rakhmerovso the idea is to be able to configure that input as a set of regular function parameters16:49
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rakhmerovbut, of course, it leads to a number of questions: how exactly is it going to work, are those params going to replace same vars in the context etc. etc.16:50
rakhmerovso I'll describe everything first clearly.16:50
xylan_kongok, i see16:50
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:50
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rakhmerovanything else guys?16:51
xylan_kongrakhmerov: can we talk about
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xylan_kongi just submited the poc code16:51
xylan_kongjust to prove what i want to do, and how i want it to be implemented16:51
rakhmerovI am not familiar with Tooz though16:52
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rakhmerovis it only going to work for our executors?16:52
xylan_kongprocess initialization:
xylan_kongget executros api:
rakhmerovI mean I'm kind of trying to understand the concept: why do we need this lib for executors but not for other components?16:53
xylan_kongyes, it can be used in other compoments16:53
xylan_kongjust see if we have the use case16:54
rakhmerovand what does it bring to us?16:54
rakhmerovif it's possible )16:54
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xylan_kongwe want to know how many executors in our system, and who are they, so we can use them in workflow16:55
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rakhmerovis this info stored in a DB?16:55
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m4dcoderare we going to have specialized executors?16:55
rakhmerovor works differently16:55
xylan_kongrakhmerov: it can use zookeeper as backend16:56
rakhmerovm4dcoder, no, it's just a service to manage and monitor currently running executors and their properties16:56
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rakhmerovxylan_kong, I think we just need to review your patches16:56
rakhmerovdo you have any specific questions you'd like to bring up right now?16:56
rakhmerovabout it16:56
m4dcoderin general, having tooz to track components can be useful, say if there're no executor available, then the API or engine should schedule the execution request for later, etc.16:57
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m4dcoderi'm unsure how it can be used directly in the WF if it's not supporting specialized executor.  maybe an example16:57
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rakhmerovone thing that concerns me is that ideally we need this kind of management console for all the system components: engines, apis, executors (scheduler later)16:57
xylan_kongm4dcoder: target16:57
xylan_kongm4dcoder: i saw it when i start to learn mistral16:58
xylan_kongbut i don't know its history16:58
rakhmerovit's not supposed to be used in WF language, it's just a runtime tool16:58
m4dcoderalso, if we are using tooz, we can also take advantage of it to refactor distributed locking in mistral.16:58
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xylan_kongm4dcoder: yes, exactly16:58
rakhmerovyeah, good though16:58
rakhmerovwell, so far it wasn't really needed though16:58
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rakhmerovdifferent topic I think anyway16:59
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rakhmerovso ok, I mean maybe we should think about more general management console, not only about executors16:59
rakhmerovthat was my concern16:59
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rakhmerovor just implement it for executors for now with a goal in mind to extend it later for other components17:00
rakhmerovxylan_kong, what do you think?17:00
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xylan_kongok, i will write a more detailed spec for the future work17:00
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rakhmerovooh, shoot... we're out of time17:00
rakhmerovthanks guys! great meeting17:00
rakhmerovlooking forward to talk to you again17:01
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m4dcoderthanks guys! cya17:01
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dguitarbiterluethi, ping17:03
dguitarbitesarob, ping17:03
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sarobi have another meeting again17:04
sarobsomeone else needs to run the meeting17:04
sarobthis one17:04
dguitarbiteI vote for rluethi17:04
dguitarbiteor sayali17:04
dguitarbiteor matjazp17:04
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matjazprluethi: you have two votes :)17:05
rluethiI vote for pranav, he hasn't chaired in a while.17:05
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dguitarbitedemocracy rules! rluethi the chair17:05
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* dguitarbite would love to chair but he does not know any commands :D17:05
rluethi#startmeeting training-guides17:05
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rluethiand now you know. hi vigneshvar_17:06
matjazphi vigneshvar_17:06
rluethialright. short agenda, as has been the case for a while.17:07
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rluethi#topic reviews17:07
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rluethimatjazp, did I miss anything I should have reviewed?17:08
matjazprluethi: not this time. There were other votes17:08
dguitarbitehi vigneshvar_17:08
rluethimatjazp: other votes?17:08
matjazpI'm just not comfortable with merging if there are no other votes17:09
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matjazpeven with trivial patches17:09
matjazprluethi: we managed to get votes by other community members17:09
rluethimatjazp: I see. I tried to pay attention, but I didn't see anything that seemed to need me.17:09
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matjazprluethi: I'll ping you in the comment if we need you17:09
matjazprluethi: like we agreed17:10
rluethimatjazp: okay, just checking, I want to live up to my promises.17:10
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rluethiso, anything in the review queue that needs discussion?17:10
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rluethihi sayalilunkad17:10
matjazpsayalilunkad: hi17:10
dguitarbiteno but I got something that would make matjazp happy17:11
vigneshvar_sayalilunkad: hi17:11
rluethidguitarbite: do I need to change the topic for that?17:11
dguitarbiterluethi, no17:11
matjazpi'm all ears :)17:11
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dguitarbitethe rst is published on the gerrit17:12
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dguitarbitejust check that, the job which states
dguitarbitethe name of the job is gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild17:13
matjazpdguitarbite: that's for upstream only? it's done for a while now.. I hoped for training guides?17:14
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dguitarbiteI just have to update the tox.ini17:14
dguitarbiteI was thinking that we need to have some stable content before I can add that17:15
dguitarbitebecause it will start publishing the slides17:15
matjazpdguitarbite: for draft publishing we dont17:15
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matjazpdguitarbite: and it's much easier to review content when you can see it rendered, not just looking at RST text17:16
dguitarbiteIf the team agrees I will enable it17:16
matjazpI don't see the problem with draft in gerrit... Just don't publish on the docs web page yet...17:17
rluethiwhatever makes matjazp happy and reviewing easier.17:17
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dguitarbiteyes, mostly we will start publishing from
dguitarbitewe could get away with unstable content up there17:17
matjazpI mean don't publish yet for training guides... upstream is ready17:17
dguitarbitesince the direct links are not published17:17
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matjazpisn't doc-publish-checkbuild only to publish in the gate? it publishes on the pages too?17:19
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dguitarbitenot yet17:19
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dguitarbitebut I will enable it and there will be only one infra job for it to keep the load on infra lesser17:19
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matjazpthat is two steps, right? first enable publishing in the gerit, second is to enable publishing on the doc pages17:20
dguitarbiteso its limited from tox.ini17:20
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dguitarbiteI have to take a look again, I dont remember what exaclty I did in there.17:21
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matjazpdguitarbite: it'sin tox we have two things: checkbuild and publishdocs17:21
dguitarbitebut there are two jobs build and publish17:21
dguitarbiteas of now, both are run twice17:22
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matjazpas I see it, it currently enables us to publish on the docs page just upstream training, and to add gerrit publishing for the training guides only too17:23
dguitarbitelets continue this on the ML17:23
matjazpso we should at least publish upstream material, it's finished and tested17:23
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dguitarbitelet me check everything once more but as far as I remember I have configured both publish and checkbuild jobs in infra (not in training guides tox.ini) to be run on before and after the review17:24
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matjazpdguitarbite: ok do that and report to the ML please17:24
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rluethiso, we done with that topic for now?17:25
matjazpI'm good17:25
rluethiokay, then17:25
rluethi#topic labs scripts17:26
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rluethi#info rluethi is a bozo, his Juno scripts are broken and need fixing.17:26
* dguitarbite is the catalyst ... dont ignore him17:26
sayalilunkadrluethi: I checked the neutron config17:27
rluethinetworking is somehow not set up correctly.17:27
sayalilunkadit seems to be fine.. atleast the config files seem ok17:27
rluethithe instance VM gets an IP address from the DHCP server, but it cannot even ping the default gateway.17:27
rluethisayalilunkad: thanks for looking into it.17:28
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sayalilunkadI will do a Juno deployment manually once to check again17:28
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vigneshvar_i will try it too17:28
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rluethithanks everyone, we could really do with some help tracking this down.17:29
dguitarbiteand also for labs, the install-guides team is happy to use our scripts17:29
rluethimaybe check the actual configuration of the various network devices.17:29
rluethidguitarbite: not if the scripts are broken :-/17:30
dguitarbiterluethi, yes, that makes it more important17:30
matjazprluethi: we need more tests17:30
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dguitarbitethe install guides team wants a multinode deployment job17:30
matjazprluethi: so we can detect these regressions17:30
dguitarbitewhich will be awesome because our scripts will be checked on a regular basis :D17:30
rluethimatjazp: problem is, our fabulous test script showed the error clearly, it just wasn't run in a while.17:31
rluethiI was sure I had used it to check the scripts, but either I was wrong or the Ubuntu packages have changed.17:31
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dguitarbiteubuntu updates are also quite guilty17:32
sayalilunkadrluethi: I remember deploying th cluster after the juno functional patch too .. funny we missed it17:32
dguitarbitealso the ubuntu version updates17:32
sayalilunkaddguitarbite: true17:32
dguitarbiteI still cannot believe that Ubuntu just rips of the milestones of a stable release17:33
dguitarbitejust removes the isos from the mirrors17:33
rluethigood thing we have them cached :)17:33
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matjazpwe need CI17:33
rluethimatjazp: agreed17:33
vigneshvar_matjazp: +117:34
rluethiour main issue with CI is the virtualbox dependency.17:34
sayalilunkadyes, that makes it very difficult17:34
dguitarbiterluethi, do not worry about that17:35
sayalilunkadI doubt they have anything to support Vbox related testing17:35
dguitarbitewe get the KVM stuff rolling17:35
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sayalilunkadtrue that would make life easier17:36
rluethidguitarbite: that means getting the python code mature enough to replace osbash wholesale, or getting the kvm support in osbash cleaned up.17:36
dguitarbiteprior is better17:36
sayalilunkadbut we wold still support vbox so we will need that too17:36
rluethieither way, it won't happen today.17:36
dguitarbitework is almost the same17:36
dguitarbitethe install guides automated testing has some time17:37
dguitarbitewe have a few months worth of breathing room as of now17:37
sayalilunkadthat's good17:37
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rluethialright, if anyone makes progress fixing the Juno config (you know you fixed it if you can successfully run the with the Juno scripts), please let everyone know.17:40
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sayalilunkadyep yep17:40
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rluethi#topic anything else17:40
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rluethiare we done then?17:41
sayalilunkadnothing else from my side17:41
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matjazpme too17:41
rluethiwell then, bye everyone. see you next week or so.17:41
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sarob#startmeeting akanda18:00
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sarobroll call18:01
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sarobmarkmcclain likely wont be able to join this time18:02
sarobmorning all18:02
* markmcclain is multi-tasking18:02
sarobmarkmcclain: ah, right ;)18:03
sarobfirst up,18:03
saroboutstanding actions from last meet18:03
sarob#topic outstanding actions18:03
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sarobfiling iptables SNT as a bug18:04
sarobwhich is here18:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1467562 in akanda "Servers without a Floating IP have invalid SNAT rules" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Petrello (ryan-petrello)18:04
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sarobdecision on how to deal with dead repos18:04
sarobwhich we decided as18:04
sarobwiping the content18:05
sarobleaving a readme with info on the new repos18:05
sarobplus if the repo is in openstack or stackforge org then18:05
sarobfollowing up a few weeks to month later18:05
saroband removing the repo as cruft18:06
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sarobanything else from last meet follow up?18:06
sarob#info decision on dead repos as clearing repos with an updated readme. after a month or so, then removing the dead repos in github:stackforge, leaving those in github:akanda18:07
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sarobmoving on ....18:07
sarob#topic progress on m1 bp18:07
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sarobfirst up18:08
sarobadam_g: you have some patches for review18:08
adam_gshould be in their final form and ready for review18:09
adam_gi'd like to squash the oslo.messaging + oslo.log patches into one, after they've each gotten reviewed18:09
adam_gactually, i need to do that--they wotn merge otherwise18:09
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sarobso can the code run on devstack without being squashed into one18:12
saroblooks like can't18:13
sarobso we should do visual code review then wait for another mash patch?18:13
adam_gsarob, if you pull down the entire patch stack as it is in gerrit, it will run18:14
sarobah, okay18:14
sarobany other questions?18:15
adam_gthat devstack failure is unrelated (there was an infra change over the weekend that broke something)18:15
sarobadam_g: got it18:15
adam_gyea-id like to get eyes on the patches as they are and then squash them18:15
sarobi didnt dig deeply18:15
adam_gjust for the sake of easier reviewing18:15
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saroblets get adam_g oslo bits reviewed today so he can get it merged this week18:16
sarobmoving on18:16
sarobdoc updates18:17
sarobi have made a little bit of progress18:17
sarobim working on a reorg patch18:18
sarobi should have it up tomorrow18:18
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sarobmoving on18:20
saroblbaas updates18:20
sarobdavidlenwell: whats up?18:20
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davidlenwelloh sorry .. here18:22
davidlenwellon the edge of landing the driver code .. standing it up in devstack right now.. will push today18:22
sarobhows the driver plus lbaas bits development going?18:22
sarobdavidlenwell: cool18:23
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davidlenwellthe lbaas bits will follow18:23
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adam_gs/landing/proposing ;p18:23
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sarobdavidlenwell: we need this week to review what you have18:24
sarobdavidlenwell: make sure you show us what you got18:24
sarobdavidlenwell: so far18:24
davidlenwellI'll push it either way today18:24
davidlenwelleven if its broken18:24
adam_gWIP it18:24
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sarobokay, moving on18:25
sarobci updates18:25
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sarobadam_g: has us running devstack as part of ci now18:25
adam_gso i think a new release of tox on friday busted ourd job invocation, but should be easily fixed with an infra patch i just put up18:26
sarobadam_g: cool18:26
adam_gtheres a patch up to push DIB built images to tarballs.openstack.org18:26
adam_gi'd consider that ci-updates blueprint done pending that merging18:26
sarobadam_g: got a link?18:26
sarobadam_g: got it18:26
adam_gthe next iteration of ci-updates should probably be focused on filling out our tests18:26
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adam_galso, that depends on an akanda-appliance patch here
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sarobadam_g: got it18:28
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sarobpub to tarballs18:28
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* markmcclain is done multi-tasking18:28
sarobmarkmcclain: ;)18:29
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sarobmarkmcclain: just updating on
sarobthx adam_g18:29
markmcclainsarob: cool18:29
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sarobso we look to be in good stead to finish up m1 bp this week18:30
sarobmoving on18:30
sarob#topic EOL akanda-appliance-builder18:31
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sarobadam_g: i believe other than my pending task to clean out the repo18:31
sarobadam_g: this is completed18:31
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sarob#topic any other business18:32
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sarobwhat y'all say?18:32
adam_gnone here18:32
markmcclainnone from me18:33
puranamrsame here!18:33
sarobwe are in pretty good shape18:35
sarobof not orphaning patches18:35
sarobwe need to do a good job of reviewing this week so18:36
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davidlenwellI have no other business18:36
sarobwe can merge and implement our remaining bp for m118:36
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sarobthats all i have18:36
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sarobso lets break early18:37
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sarobhave a great day everyone!18:37
markmcclainhave a good one18:37
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Shamailhi all19:00
Shamailbarrett1: are you here?19:01
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barrett1I am - Hi19:01
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ShamailI hope everyone is doing great.  Ready to start when you are barrett1 :)19:02
jimhaselmaierGood day!19:02
barrett1#startmeeting Product Working Group19:03
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barrett1let's start with roll call - who's here?19:03
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barrett1You can find the agenda for today here:
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barrett1#topic Roadmap Update19:05
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barrett1Shamail - you want to take this one?19:05
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ShamailI plan to email Lauren early this week to schedule a quick conversation around the Product WG roadmap initiative and brain-storm on A) how we can work together to help her deliver the roadmap and B) whether she would be interested in working directly with Product WG members and lead our roadmap sub-team19:06
ShamailI can probably do a read-out by next week (pending her availability)19:07
ShamailI also need to email the WG mailing list.... We don't have any volunteers for this sub-team besides mscohen at this point.19:07
ShamailWe need some people to help since we have to re-engage with the Project leads19:07
barrett1I'll help with the roadmap update19:07
ShamailThanks barrett1!19:07
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ShamailThat is the status of where we are, what we plan to deliver (hopefully) for this release is:19:08
MeganRI'm available to help with the roadmap update as well.19:08
jimhaselmaierI can help as well.19:08
ShamailA) An updated "roadmap" breakout session19:08
ShamailB) A workflow to pass aggregated information to the OpenStack Foundation to update the actual roadmap page19:08
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ShamailC) define a repeatable process for this sub-team (stretch goal this cycle) since we will probably need to be A and B every release19:09
ShamailThanks MeganR and jimhaselmaier19:09
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ShamailI'll make sure to say that we have 4 volunteers (including myself) int the message to the ML19:09
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ShamailDoes what we plan to deliver sound in-line w/ everyone's expectations of this sub-team?19:10
barrett1It sounds good to me.19:10
ShamailNaturally, aggregating (and sharing) PTL feedback is a sub-task in task B19:10
Shamailthanks barrett1... That's all I had from a roadmap perspectiave19:10
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barrett1Any questions or comments from others?19:11
ShamailCan you give me an action to talk with Lauren?19:11
barrett1I'll leave this on the agenda for next week's meeting.19:11
Shamailand send out the message to ML19:11
barrett1#action Shamail to contact Lauren about collaborating on the Roadmap process and content19:11
barrett1#action Shamail to send email to ML requesting volunteers to help with roadmap update19:12
barrett1OK next topic19:13
barrett1#topic Action Plan Status Updates19:13
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barrett1The tracker is located here:
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barrett1Let's start at the top: Shamail & Hugh: Internal Comms - What's the latest?19:14
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ShamailHugh and I met last week19:15
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ShamailWe are planning to start our action item by first identifying slides that we can re-use from the existing Product WG decks19:15
ShamailWe think that our best way forward is to build a standard Product WG overview deck that can be used by the entire team19:16
ShamailThis will allow all of us use common messaging and definitions of what the group is planning to do and what it is currently working on19:16
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ShamailWe will send out a draft to the ML once we are far enough along and schedule a review during one of our weekly meetings19:17
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barrett1Do you have a target date for the draft?19:17
ShamailLet's target 7/1319:18
ShamailI'll update the team if that changes19:18
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barrett1Sounds good - Thanks19:18
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barrett1Next one - Repo and Use Case Template - RockyG - What's the latest?19:19
barrett1Sarob: Are you on?19:19
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Rockygyup.  Bouncing between two meetings19:19
RockygNew repository:  have all the file mods.  Need to submit patch to TC19:19
barrett1what will be the repo name & location?19:20
RockygThe question is wether we should have a file defining our wg repos as separate from openstack projects and tc19:20
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RockygRepo will be openstack/openstack-usecases19:20
RockygBut we can change that if you like ;-)19:21
RockygSo, top level19:21
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barrett1the name works for me19:21
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Shamailso who are the proposed core reviewers?19:21
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Shamailsince it's top-level19:21
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Shamail(original plan was a sub-location in cross project I think)19:22
Rockygcbarrett, sarob, shamail, rockyg to start19:22
RockygCan be changed later19:22
ShamailSounds good, thanks for the information.19:22
ShamailThanks for making this happen Rockyg and sarob!19:22
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RockygHopefully have it up after next week's TC meeting19:23
barrett1That sound great!19:23
barrett1Do you want to discuss whether or not rep should be separate from openstack projects and tc?19:23
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RockygI'll take that up with the TC.  It's simply a structural issue19:24
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barrett1Do you need any backup/support for the TC meeting?19:26
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RockygBut, I got the large prod wg to create some use cases in an etherpad.19:26
RockygWe'll be able to add once we figure out the repo structure itself.19:26
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RockygThat might be worth talking about19:26
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barrett1Go ahead - what do you think would be helpful?19:27
RockygWe have verticals that matrix into horizontals.19:27
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RockygThe verticals create their use cases, but defcore and other ops are also creating smaller, more horizontal use cases19:27
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RockygI'm thinking a vertical structure on one side to capture the use cases, then another branch to distill out the horizontal this is what everyone needs19:28
RockygThat allows rapidly adding use cases then filtering later19:28
ShamailDidn't we discuss adding the supporting-wgs as a tag within the use case?  This will allow the repo to be flat but use cases still can be associated with supporting groups (whether horizontal or vertical)19:28
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RockygI think we need the tags on the horizontal to identify who the use case affects, but I think we need the vertical because the use cases will break down into many smaller cases19:29
Shamailmakes sense19:30
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RockygIt will also help with defcore in identifying needed interop stuff at the capability level19:30
barrett1Just to make sure I get it - Verticals are Market Segments (ex. Enterprise, Telco) and Horizontals are Projects?19:31
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RockygHorizontals may be single projects or multiple, but pretty much a single unit of operation, i.e. instantiate a VM for a user with all necessary acls19:32
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RockygSo, one of the steps to realize the full workflow the vertical has defined.19:33
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barrett1makes sense19:33
ShamailRockyg and barrett1, but couldn't (or shouldn't) we revisit the actual use case format too (to make sure it's adjusted to capture the necessary data)...19:33
ShamailI view use cases as providing five types of information: 1) Supporting work groups/user communities 2) The epic it falls under 3) The user story 4) The actual description of the use case 5) the list of blueprints (across projects) that need to be implemented to make it work19:33
jimhaselmaierI'm not quite following re: definition of vertical.  Is a vertical, by definition, something that has components in multiple horizontals19:34
ShamailIt still aligns with what you described Rockyg but makes the "use case" the single source for all necessary information for reasoning and implementation status19:34
jimhaselmaierOr is a vertical focused on a market segment as asked earlier - such as Telco?19:34
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Rockygjimhaselmaier: it tends to be a work flow.  So when you break it down into individual use cases, multiple verticals can need the same  individual use case to accomplish the flow19:35
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geoffarnoldRelated point: where are the epics defined?19:36
ShamailThis is probably a broader discussion and one that needs a workflow diagram possibly...19:36
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Shamailgeoffarnold: The thought was that maybe an epic is a theme and it is also stored in the same repo but under a sub-group called "themes" or something.... just brainstorming here since we haven't discussed this as a team yet19:37
barrett1Shamail: Yes, I think you're right.19:37
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geoffarnoldI see epics as part of a hierarchical decomposition of use cases19:38
Shamailgeoffarnold: +119:38
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geoffarnoldone person's epic is another person's colection of specific use cases19:38
RockygIt's quite matrixed or graphed, however you want to call it ;-)19:38
barrett1Does someone want to create a work flow picture or text description for the epic/use case/horizontal/vertical/tag?19:39
ShamailI can take the first cut19:39
barrett1Maybe start by socializing on ML and then we can cover in next week's meeting?19:39
RockygAnd I can comment!19:39
Shamailanyone else?19:39
barrett1Thanks Shamail19:39
jimhaselmaierI'd be happy to comment on your first pass.19:39
Shamailsweet, i'll keep you in the loop Rockyg, geoffarnold, and barrett119:40
Shamailand jimhaselmaier19:40
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Shamailwe can exchange comments and co-present the topic in the next meeting19:40
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Shamail(can I get another action barrett1) lol...19:41
barrett1Given that we're asking for all use cases to be published by 6/24 - I think a goal for next week's meeting is to get everyone up on the use case repo and template.19:41
Shamailbarrett1: +119:41
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RockygWhere is the template currently?19:42
RockygCould you do a #info?19:42
barrett1#action Shamail to draft workflow picture or text description for the epic/use case/horizontal/vertical/tag and socialize on ML19:42
DericHorn-HPWhere can we view the existing use cases?19:42
barrett1#action Barrett1 Add Repo and work flow discussion to next week's team meeting19:43
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barrett1They are here:
barrett1There's a template file in there too19:43
barrett1Next Topic: Use Cases19:44
barrett1# Topic Use Cases19:44
barrett1#Topic Use Cases19:44
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barrett1How is everyone doing in drafting these?19:44
barrett1We had targeted Wednesday to have them posted19:44
ShamailI haven't submitted any myself but I will be adding information to some of the ones that are already posted19:45
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RockygI'll see about addingg the two from the LS_wg19:46
barrett1I think we're missing HA use cases19:47
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barrett1RockyG: Did that come up with the LS WG?19:47
RockygLemme check.19:48
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Shamailbarrett1: agreed, but since this is the pilot I am not too concerned19:48
RockygNo, that was a discussion on subdividing networks19:48
ShamailI'm personally more interested in use cases that can stress/test the overall workflow for now19:48
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RockygMonty provided a horizontal that is really ugly as implemented that makes for a very clumsy flow as implemented with lots of tests/branches for three different ways of doing it.19:49
barrett1Shamail - Understand, but I'm also interested in addressing barriers to OpenStack adoption19:50
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barrett1RockyG: Are you going to extract the use cases from that etherpad?19:50
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ShamailYep, makes sense.  I guess the way I should re-phrase is that HA use-cases would be desired but not showstoppers for now.19:51
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RockygI get ops to put cases in etherpad, then we can extract19:51
barrett1For next week's meeting I'll also add a discussion on review/consolidation/prioritization of use cases. will send some thoughts out on the ML ahead of time19:51
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Shamailbarrett1: +119:52
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RockygI'll talk with fifieldt about some standard naming for ops use case etherpads19:52
barrett1#action Barret1 to send proposal for usecase review/consolidation/prioritization to ML and add to next team meeting agenda19:52
barrett1rockyg: +119:52
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barrett1next topic19:53
barrett1#topic Recruit new members19:53
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barrett1I'm still exchanging emails to find the right person from NEC to join the group19:53
barrett1I don't have a contact at Yahoo! Does anyone else?19:54
Rockygsarob might19:54
RockygI only have devs19:54
Shamailyeah, sarob is a good bet for Yahoo19:54
barrett1I've pinged him for this, will followup again19:54
barrett1Shamail - How are things going with VMware?19:55
ShamailVMware and I have exchanged a few emails... I have asked to schedule a meeting this week to discuss the work group (I don't foresee them not participating so far).  I have sent an email to Mirantis but no response yet.  I might try another contact over there.19:55
ShamailI think they are "in" but want to discuss the WG so they can identify the right person19:55
geoffarnoldGetting back to the agenda: Midcycle planning: list of meetups is here:  Note there's no Operators meetup scheduled as yet (AFAIK)19:57
barrett1OK - Let me know if you want me to help on Mirantis19:57
ShamailThanks barrett119:57
barrett1#Topic Midcycle  Planning19:57
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barrett1geoffarnold: Is there a location and date emerging from the info?19:58
barrett1For us to have our midcycle that is.... :)19:58
geoffarnoldNot really. MIdcycles are spread across July/August19:58
ShamailI liked the suggestion you made at the last meeting about co-location with the ops meet-up geoffarnold.19:59
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ShamailIt's too bad that's one of the few that hasn't indicated a schedule yet.19:59
RockygIf we want it to be a heavy working midcycle, we should schedule it after ops.  Maybe in the same area?19:59
geoffarnoldBut there isn't an ops metup scheduled iyet19:59
barrett1geoffarnold: can you ping Tomfifeld and see when the Ops meetup will get defined?19:59
RockygOps is usually a lagging indicator.19:59
barrett1RockyG: lol19:59
geoffarnoldI'd expect it to be mid/late Aug19:59
barrett1geoffarnold: Thanks20:00
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ShamailHere's hoping to mid (rather than late)!20:00
barrett1OK, we're out of time for this week. Next week we'll talk about use cases, work flow, Tokyo Plans and hopefully mid cycle meetup plans20:00
ShamailCan I share one link20:00
barrett1of course20:00
ShamailWe didn't get to the Tokyo Breakout Session planning topic but for those of you who are thinking of topics that we can propose as a WG, please update this spreadsheet:
ShamailWe can discuss at the next meeting hopefully20:01
ShamailThat's all I had barrett120:01
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bgsilvaTesting IRC Chat client...20:38
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armaxmestery is struggling to use his laptop today20:59
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armaxhe’ll be with us any second20:59
emaganaHello Folks!20:59
markmcclainarmax: did he spill he the kool-aid?20:59
emaganaarmax: Thanks!20:59
armaxmarkmcclain: he did20:59
armaxall over the keyboard20:59
openstackarmax: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'21:00
hoangcxHi all21:00
armax#startmeeting networking21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 22 21:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:00
hoangcxHi all21:00
Sukhdev__salv-orlando: mahalo21:00
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armaxmestery is coming up21:00
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salv-orlandoI heard mestery is initiating the docker community to the fine arts of yak shaving and bike shedding21:01
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armax#link agenda21:02
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armaxsalv-orlando: he is21:02
armaxbut his laptop can’t boot2docker well21:02
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armax#chair mestery21:03
openstackCurrent chairs: armax mestery21:03
* armax goes to snoring21:03
salv-orlandoarmax: that because your employer makes the laptop you use21:03
armaxsalv-orlando: you know that I don’t work for Apple21:03
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mesterythat was some excellent kool aid!21:03
mesteryAlmost too good ....21:03
mestery#topic Announcements21:04
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armaxI bow to my my master21:04
mesteryLiberty-1 is this week21:04
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mesteryThat happened fast21:04
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Sukhdev__mestery: next time keep in mind cool-aid for you - not others :-)21:04
mesteryGiven we're doing "lazy consensus" release management now, we'l see what landed in Liberty-1 ... once we tag Liberty-1!21:04
mesterySukhdev__: That's a valid point. :)21:04
mesteryDoes anyone know if the IPAM work landed all the way in-tree yet?21:05
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johnbelamaricmestery: not yet, it is moving along though21:05
mesterysalv-orlando carl_Baldwin: ^^^^21:05
mesteryjohnbelamaric: yay!21:05
mestery#link RFE Process21:05
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mesteryThe drivers team is shooting to reivew all (old-style) specs by this week21:05
mesteryAnd we'll be completely in the land of RFEs moving forward (with no deadlines)21:06
johnbelamaricmestery: yeah, breaking it into lots of small patches - hope to get as much merged as possible before Wed. then I will be at mid-cycle to see if we can land the rest21:06
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mesteryjohnbelamaric: Excellent, thank you!21:06
mestery#info The mid-cycle is this week (Wed-Fri)21:06
mesteryI look forward to seeing many of you there!21:07
mestery#info The QoS mid-cyclce is fast approaching21:07
* mestery waves to carl_baldwin 21:07
mesterycarl_baldwin: I hope you're ready for a bunch of rowdy Neutron developers to descend on HP in Fort Collins21:07
* carl_baldwin sorry to be late, didn’t notice IRC was not connected.21:07
carl_baldwinWe’ve got pads up on the walls and plenty of gloves.21:08
haleyband i connected some hoses this morning... all set21:08
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dougwigit's colorado.  i'm expecting a keg of red bull and a punchbowl of weed.21:09
* mestery mumbles something about a bike and some yaks21:09
bgsilvared bull... hmmm..21:09
* salv-orlando should have gone 21:09
haleybFat Tire21:09
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mesteryFAT TIRE!21:09
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mesteryany other announcements not related to Fat Tire or Neutron for the team?21:09
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beaglesbest ... meeting ... ever21:10
xgermanyou guys signed up for the brewery tour(s)21:10
salv-orlandodougwig: so perhaps it should be fat tire and a punchbowl of weed21:10
mesteryI think we've jumped the shark at this poont21:10
* sc68cal has never been so excited for a neutron midcycle21:10
mesteryLets move on before dougwig and salv-orlando move us further into debauchery21:10
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mestery#topic Bugs21:10
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salv-orlandomestery: you were about to write "we've jumpet the shark at this pot" - weren't you?21:10
mesterysalv-orlando: Guilty!21:11
mesteryarmax has some info on the unstable job and pymsql21:11
mesteryarmax: Link?21:11
mesteryAlso: kevinbenton can't be here today but he's been working hard on this as well21:11
mesteryI know, I sat next to the two of them at breakfast21:11
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armaxmestery: I’ve just sent an update to the ML21:11
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armaxmestery: might take a minute or two to populate everyone’s inbox21:12
mesteryarmax: Thanks! Do you have a tl;dr summary for the team?21:12
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armaxin a nutshell the unstable job is up and running21:12
armaxI have identified the most recurring failure modes21:12
dougwignice work.21:13
armaxkevinbenton: has an initial fix, we’ll have to experiment a bit more once more data points are available21:13
armaxno actual fix has merged yet21:13
armaxI suspect we’ll have to play with this a tad bit longer21:14
mesterydougwig: I already bought them breakfast, lets not let it go to their heads :)21:14
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armaxmestery: it was a very fancy breakfast21:14
armaxI feel privileged21:14
mesteryThansk for the update armax21:14
dougwiganyone willing to wade into the quagmire of neutron bugs deserves all the kudos we can muster.21:14
armaxone more thing21:14
armaxonce we manage to go back to sanity, we’ll have both pymysql and multiple api workers available in tree21:15
armaxknowing that we reverted teh latter right before kilo was cut, I suppose that’s a good thing21:15
armaxmestery: done21:15
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mesterythanks armax!21:16
mesteryAny other bugs the team should be aware of as we enter the "Liberty-1 tag zone" this week?21:16
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mestery#topic Docs21:17
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mesteryemagana: hi there! Anything for the team this week?21:17
emaganaHi There!21:17
emaganaI am back.. still sleepy but back!21:17
emaganaJust to inform that the neutron-docs meeting has moved from weekly to bi-weekly21:18
emaganastill same day and time21:18
mestery#info Neutron-docs meeting is now bi-weekly21:18
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emaganano much to report since we have not had a meeting the last two weeks  :-(21:18
sc68calemagana: when is the next meeting? this week?21:19
emaganayes, this week. This Friday.21:19
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mesteryExcellent! Any documentation questions from the team?21:19
HenryGI noticed the "Agents" API extension (admin only) is not documented in the API guide.21:19
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mesteryHenryG: Egads!21:20
salv-orlandoHenryG: is that the only one?21:20
HenryGNot sure. I shoudl go through them all and check.21:21
emaganaHenryG: Is there a bug for that one?21:21
salv-orlandoI think the last time I checked I counted more than one.21:21
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HenryGmestery: give me an AI to file bugs for missing API guides21:21
mesteryHenryG: Can you file bugs for all the missing ones?21:21
mestery#action HenryG to file bugs for all missing API extensions in the documentation21:21
emaganaHenryG and salv-orlando: Help us by sending me bugs for this and I can help fixing it or getting some extra hands from the rest of the docs team21:22
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HenryGemagana: sure thing21:22
HenryGemagana: thanks21:22
emaganaHenryG: ;-)21:22
mesteryteamwork: It's what's for dinner ;)21:22
mesteryThanks emagana HenryG salv-orlando!21:23
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mesterylets move on21:23
mestery#topic Release models for networking-foo projects21:23
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mesteryI put this on teh agenda21:23
mesteryThe tl;dr is that networking-foo projects should follow semantic versioning21:24
mesteryLike the servers and the rest of OpenStack do21:24
mesteryI've created patches for the various repos to do this21:24
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mesteryNote that some are WIP if they've already released to PyPi21:24
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mestery#info Before releasing your networking-foo project, please contact mestery or dhellmann so we can put in a pre-version tag to make pbr happy21:24
mesteryAny questions from anyone?21:25
mesteryEspecially a networking-foo maintainer?21:25
salv-orlandomestery: can you quickly tell me why you put in wip the patches for projects already on pypi?21:25
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salv-orlandoI'm too lazy to check it out myself and have to fix vmware-nsx21:25
mesterysalv-orlando: Absoluitely21:26
mesteryFor those ones, we wanted to wait to merge them until the projects did a release. I'm surprised some of them passed Jenkins to be honest.21:27
mesteryThey had been failing (or some of them).21:27
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mesterysalv-orlando: make sense? It almost does to me ;)21:27
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salv-orlandomestery: cool. so the point is that you have to release first before switching to semver?21:27
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mesterysalv-orlando: No, we'll switch to semver before we release21:28
mesteryFor those who have already released, we need to add a cap into requirements (dhellmann has more info)21:28
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mesteryAny other questions?21:29
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salv-orlandomestery: all clear thanks21:29
mesteryMoving along21:30
mestery#topic Pecan Reviews21:30
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* mestery waits for salv-orlando to share a link of actual pecan nut reviews21:30
mesterykevinbenton (who is not here) has been hard at working splitting these patches out21:30
mesteryHe's looking for reviews21:30
mesteryto start merging these21:30
mesteryso we can collapse the branch back during Liberty-221:30
mesteryI know blogan has been reviewing these (thanks!)21:31
bloganyes i have!21:31
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salv-orlandomestery: I am testing those, at some point I will pst a review as well.21:31
armaxmestery: I promised him I was going to go over those21:31
mesterysalv-orlando: awesome, armax, also awesome21:32
armaxI’ve been slow as usual21:32
mesteryarmax: Just stop sleeping this week and you'll have plenty of time21:32
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armaxarmax: I know…it’s the change of the season21:32
bloganits been raining here a lot, easy to sleep21:32
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mesteryOK, lets see what kind of damage we can do there.21:32
mesterynext up:21:33
mestery#topic Should We Translate All The Strings21:33
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mesteryI have no idea who put this on the agenda21:33
mesteryDoes anyone?21:33
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mesteryWas this form last week?21:33
salv-orlandomestery: idk I have no opinion. No maybe I have one: MEH21:34
sc68calkevinbenton added it21:34
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sc68calbased on his comment in the review21:34
salv-orlandomestery: but this is a great topic for bikeshedding you know?21:34
mesterysc68cal: thanks! And kevinbenton isn't even here!21:34
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mesterySo, can someone give me the tl;dr on this issue so I select my color in the argument?21:35
xgermanmy hunch would be it’s an I18N topic21:35
mesteryI guess we can leave it on the agenda for next week so kevinbenton can have his air time here :)21:36
russellbisn't this an openstack-wide quesiton anyway?21:36
sc68caland tell us which color he likes better21:36
mesteryrussellb: It seems to be, yeah.21:36
mesteryrussellb: Do you know if there is any stance on this at that level?21:37
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russellbif there's not a written convention yet, someone should drive one :)21:37
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salv-orlandoI think we should discuss the implication of a neutron-only decision on the rest of openstack projects and what would be the cross interference with i18n.21:37
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russellbsounds like a good topic for cross project meeting though21:37
salv-orlandoperhaps we need a working group. a translation working group where we can discuss all the issue pertaning which strings should be translate21:37
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xgermanand volunteers actually translating21:38
mesteryrussellb: +121:38
mesteryxgerman: +10021:38
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salv-orlandobut in all seriousness, why do we need to worry about having a policy to define which strings get translated?21:38
mestery#action kevinbenton to propose a cross-project meeting agenda item around translations21:38
mesteryThat should cover it21:38
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russellbthere's already a i18n team21:38
armaxwhen we have so many pressing problems, I love it that we take every item so seriously21:38
* armax is so proud21:38
russellbthere may even be some standards around this, i just don't know off hand21:39
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mesteryMe either21:39
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mesteryWe'll ahve kevinbenton take the lead on this21:39
salv-orlandomestery: and if he does not deliver, I want his head on a silver plate!21:40
sc68calthat'll show him for being AFK21:40
mesteryWell, to be fair, I did buy him breakfast, so he owes me one21:40
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armaxapparently kevinbenton is going to china soon21:40
salv-orlandoI think the core team should be bit like game of thrones. That would be interesting.21:40
dougwigthe bikeshedding timer has been running for too many minutes on this one...21:40
beaglesmy last name is *NOT* stark21:41
sc68calsalv-orlando: that could be taken a couple ways21:41
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:41
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mesteryThe floor is open, we have 19 minutes or so left.21:41
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xgermanso my top worry is the flavor framework21:41
hoangcxMay i ask to help to get further discussion about "Security Group Logging" and other objects logging #link
mesteryxgerman: As it should be21:41
mesteryxgerman: What is the current implementation status?21:42
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mesteryDoes it need reviews?21:42
hoangcxWe are going to implement logging API as kevinbenton sugguest21:42
dougwigxgerman: he's been blocked on me, and it also needs other reviews.21:42
armaxI glimpsed it21:42
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xgermandougwig +121:42
dougwigwe should be able to make some progress at the meetup.21:42
mesterysc68cal: you ok with that from hoangcx ?21:42
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mesterydougwig: awesome21:42
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armaxit seems in need of a bit of TLC21:42
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xgermanI love it all right ;-)21:43
hoangcxwe need more discussion on this to get approve :)21:43
sc68calAs long as it's a separate API endpoint, LGTM21:43
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* sc68cal finds himself defending Amazon APIs .... for some reason21:43
hoangcxYes. Thanks sc68cal. I will contact you21:43
* armax wonders if sc68cal is serious21:43
armaxactually serious21:43
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sc68calarmax: like I said at the summit, anything for you :)21:44
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mesterysc68cal is like the AWS warrior inside of OpenStack!21:44
* sc68cal shudders in horror21:44
salv-orlandosc68cal: yeah why? I think we've already diverged so much from EC2 that this defence is a bit pointless now21:44
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sc68calsalv-orlando: Have we? I know we still have Boto tests that use the EC2 API modules21:44
xgermandon’t they all connect at the docker API21:44
xgerman\me hides21:44
salv-orlandosc68cal: I know armax as some peculiar tastes. you should really shidder.21:44
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salv-orlandosc68cal: well, that's for the compute part. look at security groups. is there a thing like INGRESS or EGRESS rules in EC2?21:45
armaxsalv-orlando: I like you don’t i?21:45
sc68calsalv-orlando: I think for the VPC flavored version of SG21:45
sc68calsalv-orlando: there is21:45
mesteryxgerman: it's pluggable!21:45
sc68calmestery: put an action item for me for that, since i opened my big mouth - research variances in our SG api compared to AWS21:46
salv-orlandosc68cal: so we're amazon compatible if one runs VPC but only to the point that you get APIs that semantically work like Amazon's...21:46
mestery#action sc68cal to research and present on variances in our SG API compared to AWS21:46
mesterysc68cal: done and done sir!21:46
salv-orlandobut it's not like you can really do anything in neutron with your amazon EC2 client APP21:46
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salv-orlandosc68cal: I understand your point. And I would totally agree with you if we were declaring some sort of VPC compatibility21:47
sc68calsalv-orlando: Depends - there may still be some scaffolding that "get-me-a-network" will help paper over what admins are probably doing today ( creating all the networks, subnets, routers, etc)21:47
sc68calbut the SG API hopefully isn't different21:47
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sc68calthere may be some items that need to be provisioned before the app devs who are using the EC2 libs can start working21:48
haleybyou had to mention "get me a network" didn't you :)21:48
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* sc68cal gets $1 USD when he mentions his boss' spec or rally21:48
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mesteryhaleyb: Speaking of that, did my comments in the review convince you to be the new official owner?21:49
salv-orlandook so you do have a goal of making an openstack deployment running neutron work with boto or any other EC2 client for the benefit of all the folks that don't care about neutron?21:49
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haleybmestery: did you get my beer demand?21:49
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salv-orlandocomeon sc68cal, shave this yak with me!21:49
mesteryhaleyb: I'm happy to buy you as much Fat Tire is required, yes.21:49
sc68calsalv-orlando: :)21:49
* mestery hands salv-orlando a blue paint brush and sc68cal a red paint brush21:50
neiljerramContinuing the Nova/Neutron VIF type saga, Neutron folk may want to look at, which is Dan Berrange's new (and good, IMO) attempt to sort this out...21:50
sc68calmestery: so we want a purple shed eh?21:50
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* haleyb can do it, will need help filling-in some of the details in the spec21:50
neiljerramEven though this is currently only a Nova spec, it will have non-trivial Neutron impact.21:50
mesteryhaleyb: thanks :)21:50
sc68calsalv-orlando: I think my goal is just anything that is an API that came from AWS, should stay like the AWS API, and OpenStack should create new compelling APIs to supercede the AWS apis21:51
mesteryneiljerram: thanks!21:51
salv-orlandosc68cal: if you want to achieve this goal, we also need a strategy to ensure EC2 compatibility is perpetual, and that strategy in my opinion depends on how nova moves forward. Because the boto user does not even care about neutron APIs. that kind of users expects EC2-compatible APIs on the nova API endpoint, I think21:51
mesteryneiljerram: in regards to VIF plugging, see the above from jaypipes as well21:51
neiljerrammestery: Indeed, I have; thanks.21:52
mesteryneiljerram: great! :)21:52
sc68calsalv-orlando: very true - I know that they have the EC2 compat project now so they could extract it from Nova's codebase21:52
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salv-orlandosc68cal: Also I struggle with the thought that I should consider parts of the neutron API as "imported" from AWS. Mostly because that would put a constraint on API evolution that I'm not sure we will be able to honour long time21:53
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salv-orlandosorry I meant in the long time21:53
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sc68calsalv-orlando: very true. I'd have to look further, but I think SG is the only real API where we'd have to worry21:53
sc68calsalv-orlando: I don't think our API is anything like VPC's - and it isn't labeled as such21:54
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hoangcxYes. So that is the reason we need more discussion on there21:54
sc68cals/our/the rest of neutron's api/g21:54
armax to salv-orlando’s point this means that basically we can innovate on our own api so long as we have a backward compatible way to expose SG capabilieis via the nova api?21:54
armaxwould that be enought to unlock us from this debate?21:54
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hoangcxsc68cal: we may implement new logging API if it not compatibility for SG API21:55
sc68calarmax: I'd probably want to explore more of what you mean by backward compatible way to expose SG capabilities, but overall that sounds reasonable21:55
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sc68calhoangcx: Right - I think my only comment was the new logging API just can reference a security group ID (or a rule ID) and that would keep us out of the tar pit of ec2 compatability21:56
armaxsc68cal: my point is that that if we can expect AWS centric users to use the API from something like Nova21:56
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armaxsc68cal: then we can assume that access can be controlled21:56
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armaxand hence we can ‘hide’ the non-compatible bits21:56
sc68calarmax: ah - very true. that sounds reasonable21:56
sc68calalthough we'd have to check, since the EC2 API is now outside of Nova21:57
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armaxsc68cal: but I wouldn’t trust what I say if I were you21:57
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armaxthanks for trying though21:57
sc68calthink it's ?21:57
armaxsc68cal: oh neat21:58
armaxsc68cal: but once the bits gets deployed it looks just as it did, did it not?21:58
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russellbold ec2 code still there21:58
russellbbut that's the future direction21:58
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sc68calarmax: I think so - so maybe my concerns are overrated and I've wasted some time about these concerns - and we can just make it their problem21:59
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hoangcxsc68cal: Yes. so it have more further discussion on this new logging API if we get decision on this21:59
armaxrussellb: thanks, I’ll look into it21:59
mesteryI suggest continuing in #openstac-neutron21:59
mesteryThansk for attending this week folks!21:59
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neiljerrambye all21:59
mesteryWe'll see you all in the internet21:59
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hoangcxbye all21:59
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salv-orlandosc68cal: those who procrastinate shaving yaks and painting bike sheds never waste their time.22:00
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sc68calsalv-orlando: I shave my yaks with a chainsaw - horizontally22:00
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hoangcxsc68cal: May i have further discussion with you on Gerrit to get decision which option will we support (by implement new logging API or extend current SG API)?22:04
sc68calhoangcx: sure - over in #openstack-neutron22:04
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hoangcxYes. Thanks so much.22:05
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hoangcxsc68cal: I will prepare something and let discuss in the next meeting.22:06
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